**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 30 02:59:57 2008 Aug 30 03:03:15 figures that when I planned to play with qtopia, qtopia.net is down :/ Aug 30 03:11:26 johnsu01: what neo do you have? freerunner? Aug 30 03:12:11 lpotter: yes Aug 30 03:12:35 flash image or update? Aug 30 03:12:50 lpotter: I have the system installed, I was going to try compiling some different things Aug 30 03:13:03 lpotter: got any bugs filed about the freerunner failing to come out of suspend even after removing the battery, and until the freerunner is plugged into usb? Aug 30 03:13:24 lpotter: so I need to get the toolchain and things Aug 30 03:13:28 doc|home: had that happen and the battery was wonky Aug 30 03:13:48 lpotter: not a battery issue for me :/ wouldn't boot even after removing the battery numerous times :/ Aug 30 03:13:53 johnsu01: just the toolchain or the sdk? Aug 30 03:14:03 hmm Aug 30 03:14:49 lpotter: Well, I suppose I'm not sure what all I need Aug 30 03:15:21 lpotter: But probably the sdk too I would think Aug 30 03:16:34 removing the battery if the phone is plugged into USB is a no-op as far as the suspend/resume logic is concerned. Aug 30 03:16:59 (Changes in charge status do not cause a wake interrupt) Aug 30 03:18:47 Stupid Question time: What video formats are supported in openmoko-mediaplayer2 Aug 30 03:20:28 * Kamping_Kaiser sighs. got a bad case of the upgrades. why does download have to be so irritating >.< Aug 30 03:21:34 johngay: if you succeed in getting it to play /anything/ let me know. :/ Aug 30 03:23:24 It's "it has to be a playlist before I even know its there" really has to go.. Aug 30 03:24:27 * calls the night... sleepytime Aug 30 03:26:14 Guess its not so stupid after all. Aug 30 03:30:36 hm Aug 30 03:30:52 user.crit kernel: kernel BUG at net/bluetooth/rfcomm/tty.c:313! Aug 30 03:31:10 and now seems locked up Aug 30 03:31:40 after trying to disconnect a bluetooth audio headset connected as handsfree Aug 30 03:31:52 I think I've installed everything for 2007.2 now. time for bed. Aug 30 03:32:21 well, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10044, at least it's fixed in a newer kernel.. Aug 30 03:47:23 are there phones yet Aug 30 03:47:26 ???// Aug 30 03:48:06 i take that as a no Aug 30 03:49:09 richiefrich: at resellers Aug 30 03:49:19 richiefrich: you're too late .. lol Aug 30 03:49:25 doc|home: you the same one as on #gentoo ? Aug 30 03:49:39 richiefrich: aye Aug 30 03:49:47 * doc|home tips his hat Aug 30 03:49:50 doc|home: well hello sir Aug 30 03:50:04 doc|home: do you own one of these cool phones? Aug 30 03:50:11 doc|home: as you see i am waiting Aug 30 03:50:27 richiefrich: the FreeRunner is almost sold out Aug 30 03:50:41 CVirus: it has been arent they making more? Aug 30 03:50:55 CVirus: or is it a dead project? Aug 30 03:50:55 richiefrich: check the resellers Aug 30 03:51:06 no it's not Aug 30 03:51:06 so the main site isnt selling more ver? Aug 30 03:51:10 ever? Aug 30 03:51:32 CVirus: thats just stupid... if thewyamixer sset PCM 3+ Aug 30 03:51:33 richiefrich: they prefer selling throught resellers I guess Aug 30 03:51:38 heh Aug 30 03:51:46 then i will get something else Aug 30 03:51:50 thanks Aug 30 04:03:08 So, trying to connect with TLS to an smtp server, qtopia is giving me a "The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate colud not be found" error Aug 30 04:07:38 The best part??!! This thing is supposed to go for around FOUR HUNDRED (yes, 400!) DOLLARS! Yow! And it's somehow supposed to be an argument AGAINST other phone's, such as the iPhone?? LOL! What planet/alternate reality do them freetard's live on/in?? Aug 30 04:07:55 Why the fuck is such a youtube video with retarded description on om.com ? Aug 30 04:08:02 http://openmoko.com/product-youtube.php Aug 30 04:08:19 And this is the IMPROVED version?? The freetard's of the world might wanna stop waving their little "It's freeeeee!! It's opeeeeen!" fist's quite so high in the air and wake up to reality. Sure SOME DAY it might actually develop into something useful... only by that time the rest of the world (that doesn't sit in dark basement's compiling pointless apps with no real life or friend's living off of diet coke and french fries) will have extended their head Aug 30 04:08:20 start that much further. Aug 30 04:08:23 wtf ? Aug 30 04:09:39 So, CVirus, how do you really feel? Aug 30 04:09:54 couldn't care less .. lol Aug 30 04:10:05 he's retarded .. end of story Aug 30 04:10:21 <--- freetard and proud of it :-p Aug 30 04:11:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqIvSjke1X0&NR=1 Aug 30 04:11:59 the guy's a retard Aug 30 04:12:54 CVirus - do you have something to contribute or are you just going to troll all night? Aug 30 04:14:17 adsllc: looks like you don't get it .. I was just pasting what's written in the description of the video .. those aren't my words Aug 30 04:14:27 adsllc: no troll act intended .. sorry anyways Aug 30 04:15:28 I'm now thoroughly confused, but that's probably for the best! Aug 30 04:16:00 Anyone know if the 2008.8 update (2008.9?) is worth flashing to or is it the same as my original 2008.8 with updates installed? Aug 30 04:17:51 johnsu01: sounds like a certificate chain issue. I just logged in - can you bring me up to speed? Aug 30 04:18:38 adsllc: well, I'm just trying set up smtp on my qtopia install. sending a message gives "unknown error" on the phone, and logread gives that cert error. Aug 30 04:19:05 Aug 30 03:47:35 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Encrypted connect warnings: "'The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found', 'The root CA certificate is not trusted for this purpose', 'No certificates could be verified'" Aug 30 04:19:09 is the full error Aug 30 04:19:21 johnsu01: and your SMTP server requires TLS? Aug 30 04:19:48 adsllc: Well, I haven't been able to get any smtp to work -- something seems to be odd about the way the FR is doing auth Aug 30 04:20:03 so, the smtp server supports tls and I was trying it as another option Aug 30 04:20:19 I've tried 2 different smtp servers Aug 30 04:20:25 with plain and login auth Aug 30 04:23:32 johnsu01: I haven't played with this at all - gimme a few minutes. Aug 30 04:37:05 grrrrr Aug 30 04:37:09 i need a new c book Aug 30 04:37:54 or to find out how to use perfectly valid c code in c++ w/o the compiler choking on things that are ok in c Aug 30 04:41:59 hello apt! Aug 30 04:42:20 apt not speaking? Aug 30 04:42:31 whew! tough room Aug 30 04:42:35 not to you! Aug 30 04:43:47 anyone know how to switch qtopia wlan setup from unavailable to something else? The setup's correct Aug 30 04:43:53 did I insult its artificial intelligence? :) Aug 30 04:44:45 doc, sorry I've only played a bit with qtopia Aug 30 04:48:24 johnsu01: I managed to have success with Encryption: None and Authentication: IMAP Aug 30 04:48:52 I'm running a fairly standard sendmail server on my LAN Aug 30 04:49:04 adsllc: hm, I think I tried that combination but I'll give it a go Aug 30 04:49:14 adsllc: does your server advertise AUTH? Aug 30 04:50:30 adsllc: that gives me relay not permitted Aug 30 04:55:55 I'm looking at a packet trace for any useful info - but frankly I'm not expecting to find much useful. I suspect that your FR just doesn't have any auth options that your SMTP server supports. Aug 30 04:59:42 I was considering typing in username and password in base64 :) Aug 30 05:00:32 Well, good luck with that! Aug 30 05:02:47 Well, a little more digging tells me that I'm simply trusting the local network - setting Authentication: None worked too. Aug 30 05:04:08 Any luck receive mail via IMAP? I get a "Host not found" error even though it sends mail through the same server just fine. Aug 30 05:05:53 Nevermind - had a space in front of the server name. Aug 30 05:07:31 adsllc: yeah, that's a keyboard bug I was going to report if it isn't already Aug 30 05:07:44 adsllc: blank spaces popping up in front of passwords, usernames and server names really sucks :) Aug 30 05:07:58 took me a *long* time to find the first case of that.. Aug 30 05:08:27 anyone awake using fso? Aug 30 05:09:24 undrwater - qtopia and 2008.8 are all I know of. Aug 30 05:10:10 adsllc: yeah...me too...but i'm frustrated with both...now it's time to be frustrated with fso ;) Aug 30 05:10:26 My FR just hard locked while browsing my IMAP Inbox - no ping responses, charging light didn't go out when unplugged from the USB, nothing! Aug 30 05:10:51 :( Aug 30 05:10:59 Granted - this Inbox does have 3449 messages in it... Aug 30 05:11:11 adsllc: yeah... I let mine chug through about that many before having second thoughts Aug 30 05:11:29 adsllc: I deleted the box from the FR, but then tried to recreate it, and now it won't download any messages at all :) Aug 30 05:12:03 Well, I think I'll stop poking it until I've cleaned that box out a bit! Aug 30 05:14:31 Are there any games or anything else that uses the accelerometers yet? Aug 30 05:15:05 I wrote a little CLI app that's kind of neat, but a GUI is always better. Aug 30 05:17:02 adsllc: what language? Aug 30 05:17:36 C Aug 30 05:17:50 ah, care to help a c noob? Aug 30 05:18:30 Sure - but I've got to warn you that it's getting late where I'm at... Aug 30 05:18:35 What can I tells you? Aug 30 05:19:45 I see your comment about C / C++, but it doesn't have any specifics. Aug 30 05:20:01 well, i'm trying to get user input, i do something like printf ("prompt: "); \n gets(variable); \n printf ("prompt2: "); \n gets(variable2); Aug 30 05:20:21 inface, let me pastebin the code snippet in question Aug 30 05:20:25 aloing with the rsult Aug 30 05:20:46 k Aug 30 05:22:47 adsllc: http://pastebin.com/m62bd7926 Aug 30 05:26:31 is get a defined object? Aug 30 05:26:42 I assume the "char *get(char *text, size_t size) {" on line 4 is a typo to be ignored? Aug 30 05:27:03 Looks like the definition from the header file to me. Aug 30 05:27:16 no, that's an example I found on getting string onput w/o the compiler griping about gets() being unsafe Aug 30 05:27:35 s/opnup/input Aug 30 05:27:51 but i get the same behavior with gets() Aug 30 05:28:22 Well, the code posted doesn't compile, so it's hard to say what's syntax error and what's logic error so far... Aug 30 05:28:50 i could post the whole thing, it's not big, but it is a bit of a mess atm Aug 30 05:29:14 and you'd need efl and evolution data server dev libs to compile it Aug 30 05:29:19 I'll figure it out in a few. Aug 30 05:29:41 gooey Aug 30 05:30:20 * AntonTakk misses happily cout ing and cin ing all day in c++ Aug 30 05:30:36 Ah - I think the get() is what you're trying to write and the add_contact is the fluff - considering that function isn't called anywhere. Aug 30 05:30:37 * undrwater doesn't miss c++ at all Aug 30 05:31:03 yeah, add_contact is just a subroutine Aug 30 05:31:12 called from inside main() Aug 30 05:32:11 i can post the whole file if it would help Aug 30 05:33:56 Some guy on the mailing list claims that suspend/resume is working properly with a recent Qtopia image ... did anything change recently in the kernel ? is suspend/resume working properly ? Aug 30 05:35:39 which distro is currently best for using the FR as a phone? Aug 30 05:35:42 CVirus: i asked lpotter how much of suspend / resume goes on in user space...he said about 80% Aug 30 05:36:01 don't quote me...i'm not really quoting him...but that's how i remember it Aug 30 05:36:25 AntonTakk: http://pastebin.com/db6c78e Aug 30 05:36:27 pabs3: do you really really want to use it as a phone? Aug 30 05:37:16 AntonTakk: I really didn't change anything, I just beat it into shape to compile cleanly. Aug 30 05:37:37 it compiles w/o so much as a warning as is Aug 30 05:37:42 undrwater: well, that would be nice Aug 30 05:38:03 pabs qtopia gives you phone...kind of...but not much else Aug 30 05:38:33 actually....all of the images work as phone...depending on many different factors Aug 30 05:38:45 AntonTakk: that "int add_contact() {" broke my compile. Aug 30 05:38:54 AntonTakk: you shouldn't define the get() function inside add_contact() - AFAIK that's only a gcc-ism, not part of a language standard Aug 30 05:39:40 I agree with mmontour, if that's what you've been doing. Aug 30 05:40:28 I don't think it's related to your problem, but it is bad form. Aug 30 05:40:33 pabs3: my advice...quit your job and lurk here for 3 weeks Aug 30 05:40:34 just did that now to get around the gets warning Aug 30 05:40:43 I was surprised to find that it was permitted at all, although it's not the first time that I've had that reaction to gcc. Aug 30 05:41:35 undrwater: heh :) Aug 30 05:41:43 If you're just concerned about the warning about "gets() is unsafe", use fgets() and specify the size of your buffer. Aug 30 05:41:44 adsllc: all you did was move that code from add_contact to main....how could it possibly change the way the output is formatted ? Aug 30 05:42:04 Magic? Aug 30 05:42:24 hello there I just tried this setup with debian here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner everything worked fine but wehn booting it says "wrong image format for bootm command". Does anybody know why ? Aug 30 05:42:34 mmontour: the reading i did said that fgets can leave a trailing \n, and I don't know if that would choke evo data server Aug 30 05:43:15 blubs: did you modify your env in uboot? Aug 30 05:43:19 adsllc: weird, I just got it to work with dreamhost's smtp, which I swear failed before Aug 30 05:43:30 adsllc: I guess firing up tshark to watch the traffic made it work ;) Aug 30 05:44:08 adsllc: this is with no encryption and Login Aug 30 05:44:11 AntonTakk: "while (strlen(str) && str[strlen(str)]=='\n') str[strlen(str)]=0" will trim that for you. Aug 30 05:44:14 undrwater: yes with this script http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh Aug 30 05:44:27 undrwater: it only says it when booting debian Aug 30 05:44:36 on the flash card Aug 30 05:44:44 when booting 2008.8 it works Aug 30 05:44:51 blubs: you probably need to update u-boot Aug 30 05:45:04 AntonTakk, that may have an off-by-one error in it somewhere (it's off the top of my head), but you get the idea. Aug 30 05:45:11 pabs3: how do i do that ? Aug 30 05:45:24 blubs: you can use dfu-util for that Aug 30 05:45:40 get the most recent uboot you can find Aug 30 05:45:42 AntonTakk: that's possible, but you could manually check the last character then set it to 0 if it was '\n' Aug 30 05:45:46 undrwater: thx and then how should i update it ? Aug 30 05:45:58 undrwater: where do i get that ? Aug 30 05:46:00 blubs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Aug 30 05:46:07 oh yeah, what adsllc said Aug 30 05:46:19 there are instructions in the wiki....something like -a uboot -R -D uboot.bin Aug 30 05:47:52 ok, changed it to use fgets instead, still has funky output Aug 30 05:48:00 undrwater: pabs3 ah ok .. i see. But where do I get the newest uboot for this purpus and openmoko ? Aug 30 05:48:33 blubs: check the dates on the files...anything in august should be fine...look in the places you got 2008.8 Aug 30 05:48:34 AntonTakk: Is your program using signals? If you have an unhandled signal hanging around it can cause system calls to return immediately as you describe. Try inserting a few strategic perror() calls. Aug 30 05:49:40 adsllc: ...strategic perror calls.....the last time i did any real coding was before the c++ symtax started changing Aug 30 05:50:02 syntax* Aug 30 05:50:15 undrwater: ok an which of the two should I take -> gta01bv4-u-boot.bin -> gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Aug 30 05:51:24 gta02v5 for a Freerunner, the other one for a Neo1973 Aug 30 05:51:27 blubs: freerunner? Aug 30 05:51:45 yes Aug 30 05:52:15 what mmontour said Aug 30 05:52:36 AntonTakk: not sure what you're trying to say, but if you're asking where is strategic - I'd start by putting them just after the fgets() or fgetc() calls. Aug 30 05:54:36 adsllc: i'm not even sure what you mean by "using signals"........ Aug 30 05:54:53 AntonTakk: I'd also put "errno=0" just before the fgets() or fgetc() calls. Aug 30 05:55:10 undrwater: hmmm doenst seem to work Aug 30 05:55:56 undrwater: http://pastebin.ca/1189153 Aug 30 05:56:18 AntonTakk: Try adding "#include " at the top of the file, "errno=0" just before every fgets()/fgetc() call, and "perror(NULL)" just after every fgets()/fgetc() call. Aug 30 05:56:28 ok Aug 30 05:57:00 blubs: you flashed gta01 Aug 30 05:57:19 I'm assuming that your root problem is that fgets()/fgetc() are returning without getting the input you expect - adding this error checking code should give you an idea why. Aug 30 05:57:20 blubs: scroll up and read what mmontour said Aug 30 05:57:51 undrwater: yes my falut i saw it sorry Aug 30 05:57:59 now i did it Aug 30 05:58:19 congrats! Aug 30 05:58:34 yes thats the output http://pastebin.ca/1189156 Aug 30 05:58:50 but i still see in the menu that it its uboot from may Aug 30 05:58:53 ehy that ? Aug 30 05:59:17 may 2008 Aug 30 05:59:30 did you flash from nor or nand? Aug 30 05:59:43 nand Aug 30 05:59:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND Aug 30 05:59:59 hrm... Aug 30 06:00:29 not good ? Aug 30 06:00:31 you might try the deb script Aug 30 06:00:38 possible it'll work now Aug 30 06:00:46 personally, i just modified my env Aug 30 06:01:20 what do you mean by that ? Aug 30 06:01:41 adsllc: http://pastebin.com/d299be1b3 Aug 30 06:02:01 that is honestly unhelpfull to me Aug 30 06:02:06 look up the wiki for how to flash qtopia...theres a section on how to boot from sd...including how to modify bootloader environment Aug 30 06:02:08 "Success" ?? Aug 30 06:02:30 What did you find? Aug 30 06:02:59 "success" printed in several places Aug 30 06:03:06 undrwater: also worked fine http://pastebin.ca/1189160 how did you do that ? Aug 30 06:03:44 undrwater: its still the same it cant boot and the uboot is from may 2008 Aug 30 06:04:20 what's it doing / not doing? Aug 30 06:04:35 its not booting into debian Aug 30 06:04:37 it says Aug 30 06:04:50 "wrong image format for bootm command" Aug 30 06:05:04 ERROR: can't get kernel image! Aug 30 06:05:29 AntonTakk: My first fgets() trimmer was off-by-one, this one works: "while (strlen(str) && str[strlen(str)-1]=='\n') str[strlen(str)-1]=0;" Aug 30 06:05:29 but the boot and root partitions are there i could mount it and also see the kernel image under 2008.8 Aug 30 06:05:43 adsllc: thanks :) Aug 30 06:05:47 i did it this way http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Aug 30 06:06:06 AntonTakk: So it's skipping the Full Name input but asking for the Phone: input? Aug 30 06:06:18 seems so Aug 30 06:07:00 AntonTakk: I'm starting to think I'm going to need to see the whole code. Aug 30 06:07:42 blubs: it's hard for me to help anymore from here...can you try to modify your uboot menu? Aug 30 06:07:50 blubs: make sure that you are booting from NAND u-boot (hold power button then Aux) Aug 30 06:08:19 blubs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Aug 30 06:08:59 undrwater: ys i modified it with that http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh Aug 30 06:09:55 did you try what mmontour suggested? Aug 30 06:10:22 adsllc: http://pastebin.com/m23a53a04 Aug 30 06:11:46 just trying Aug 30 06:12:11 why isnt it booting from the other boot menu ? Aug 30 06:13:59 undrwater: mmontour ? Aug 30 06:14:18 mmontour: blubs: make sure that you are booting from NAND u-boot (hold power button then Aux) Aug 30 06:14:52 yes i tried and it worked but why doesnt the other menu work ? Aug 30 06:15:03 nor? because it's read-only Aug 30 06:15:07 If you just flashed an updated u-boot, it gets written to NAND (so you have to boot from NAND to use it). The version that's in NOR is older and has some bugs Aug 30 06:15:27 Also it's read-only so you can't change the menu entries Aug 30 06:15:37 and how do I update the nor ? Aug 30 06:15:42 you don't ;) Aug 30 06:15:43 with a debug board Aug 30 06:15:46 oh btw debian looks great on it ;) Aug 30 06:15:56 ahh...wasn't aware that debug board could update nor Aug 30 06:16:11 thats the main point of the debug board isn't it? Aug 30 06:16:15 mmontour: will this be necessary one ? will i need a debug board anyway ? Aug 30 06:16:22 pabs3: is it? Aug 30 06:16:30 unlikely, unless you like hacking on that sort of stuff Aug 30 06:16:35 oh...if you hose both bootloaders...right! Aug 30 06:17:02 a debug board was more important with the Neo1973 because it didn't have the NOR backup copy of u-boot Aug 30 06:17:59 * pabs3 wonders if openmoko/fic would ever do a laptop Aug 30 06:18:22 open laptop? Aug 30 06:18:23 ha Aug 30 06:19:32 lpotter: says "ha" Aug 30 06:19:32 * AntonTakk wonders if someone at om would still stubbornly refuse to put buttons on it ;) Aug 30 06:20:16 * undrwater wants an ultralight tablet running on flash Aug 30 06:21:06 AntonTakk: I can't get it to compile easily since I don't have all the libraries handy - but try replacing your fflush(stdout) calls with fflush(NULL) Aug 30 06:22:05 nope, same result Aug 30 06:22:15 * undrwater hopes adsllc is around when he tries to finally pass c / c++ course Aug 30 06:22:41 Hey - I haven't solved anything yet... Aug 30 06:22:53 but you're very helpful and patient ;) Aug 30 06:25:32 latest fso is good Aug 30 06:25:48 haven't tried phone yet...but everything else is looking positive Aug 30 06:26:04 "latest" mwesters's ? testing or unstable? Aug 30 06:26:14 ahh yes, "testing" Aug 30 06:26:40 trying the phone stuff? Aug 30 06:26:47 hi Aug 30 06:27:12 I have a lot of problems with my neo freerunner, somebody could help me please? Aug 30 06:27:26 AntonTakk: I got it to compile and reproduced the problem - shouldn't be long now. Aug 30 06:27:46 AntonTakk: not yet...getting some packages installed first Aug 30 06:28:17 nobody could help me? :S Aug 30 06:28:18 AntonTakk: Found your problem! Aug 30 06:28:31 sylar91: check the wiki first for the common problems, then ask here if you've got something else Aug 30 06:28:34 i suck, right? Aug 30 06:28:36 You are using getchar() to get the "1" entry. Aug 30 06:28:37 ;) Aug 30 06:28:52 uhu, and? Aug 30 06:28:57 But you have to type "1" then ENTER... Aug 30 06:29:09 oh Aug 30 06:29:18 The ENTER is waiting and winds up getting handled by your fgets() Aug 30 06:29:30 doh! Aug 30 06:30:21 AntonTakk: can't enter contacts :P Aug 30 06:30:40 I can't get gps working on openmoko 2008.8 update Aug 30 06:30:41 undrwater: not just yet anyways :) Aug 30 06:31:02 that's known, then? Aug 30 06:31:40 I can't get gps working... somebody could help me plz? Aug 30 06:32:32 check your config file, make sure it's using /dev/ttySAC1 as the gps device, and make sure it's powered on. I don't use 2008.8 so I don't know any other possibilities. Aug 30 06:32:45 AntonTakk: Fix it by adding "while (getchar()!='\n');" just after "Action = getchar();" to suck up the remaining input. Aug 30 06:33:06 Let me know when you've got it - 'cause then I'm going to bed! Aug 30 06:33:16 CVirus: ? Aug 30 06:33:17 sylar91: more info please :) what image? Aug 30 06:33:30 2008.8 update Aug 30 06:33:31 oops to high up Aug 30 06:33:33 (sorry) Aug 30 06:33:39 scrooling. Aug 30 06:34:18 adsllc: got it, thanks a million! :) Aug 30 06:34:25 Welcome - G'nite all! Aug 30 06:34:30 I have 2008.8 update Aug 30 06:34:35 and gps is not working Aug 30 06:34:41 sylar91: and what gps do you want to use? Aug 30 06:35:33 th default one, "locations" Aug 30 06:35:36 *the Aug 30 06:36:06 that's supposed to get gps started automatically...using it in open sky? Aug 30 06:36:12 locations is mad if you get gps working. Aug 30 06:36:42 sylar91: maybe your best bet is tango? Aug 30 06:37:00 yes but when I install a lot of sw I had opkg error 17 Aug 30 06:37:01 oO Aug 30 06:38:28 what is error 17? Aug 30 06:39:50 don't remember if i've seen that one Aug 30 06:40:02 did you search the lists? Aug 30 06:40:32 now I installed succesfully tangogps (strange... no error 17 this time) Aug 30 06:40:42 tangogps says no gps found... Aug 30 06:40:57 install gpsd too Aug 30 06:40:59 but a minute ago strangly locations founded my position Aug 30 06:41:00 ... Aug 30 06:41:36 well...it takes a while to get a fix if you're inside...which i gather you are since you're chatting in here ;) Aug 30 06:41:52 yes I'm in ssh Aug 30 06:42:04 root@om-gta02:~/SettingsGUI-svn/src# opkg install gpsd Aug 30 06:42:05 Installing gpsd (2.37-r0) to root... Aug 30 06:42:05 Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 30 06:42:05 An error ocurred, return value: 17. Aug 30 06:42:15 error 17... again Aug 30 06:42:42 opkg install gpsd -V 3 Aug 30 06:43:32 I have to copy the output to nopaste? Aug 30 06:43:59 any clues you can decipher? Aug 30 06:44:40 it ends with Aug 30 06:44:41 Nothing to be done Aug 30 06:44:41 An error ocurred, return value: 17. Aug 30 06:44:41 hash_table[pkg-hash] n_buckets=0 n_elements=9249 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0 Aug 30 06:44:41 hash_table[file-hash] n_buckets=0 n_elements=17435 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0 Aug 30 06:44:41 hash_table[obs-file-hash] n_buckets=0 n_elements=0 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0 Aug 30 06:44:42 r Aug 30 06:45:34 what does it means? Aug 30 06:47:49 sylar91: try to wget the file, then install locally Aug 30 06:51:20 root@om-gta02:/var/volatile/tmp/exp# wget http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 30 06:51:22 Connecting to www.angstrom-distribution.org (85.214.40.226:80) Aug 30 06:51:22 gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t. 100% |*******************************| 17650 00:00:00 ETA Aug 30 06:51:22 root@om-gta02:/var/volatile/tmp/exp# opkg install gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 30 06:51:22 Multiple packages (gpsd and gpsd) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Aug 30 06:51:22 Multiple packages (gpsd and gpsd) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Aug 30 06:51:24 Installing gpsd (2.37-r0) to root... Aug 30 06:51:26 An error ocurred, return value: 17. Aug 30 06:51:28 same error Aug 30 06:52:05 have you done opkg update recently? Aug 30 06:52:11 yes Aug 30 06:52:17 I have some 404 error Aug 30 06:52:21 with armstrong repos Aug 30 06:52:27 angstrom? Aug 30 06:52:41 lol yes Aug 30 06:52:51 try -nodeps...just for kicks Aug 30 06:53:03 It seems that all angstrom packages get me the 17 error Aug 30 06:53:16 but openmoko default repos installs without problems Aug 30 06:54:03 yeah...there is some talk of that in the lists...it's why i'm using FSO now Aug 30 06:54:05 no , with -nodeps the same error occurres Aug 30 06:54:12 then i'm tapped out ;) Aug 30 06:54:41 lol, what can I do? oO because for error 17 I can't install pidgin, and a lot of other interesting things... Aug 30 06:56:02 ps: tangogps doesn't recognise the gps... Aug 30 06:56:42 sylar91: yep...you need gpsd installed ;) Aug 30 06:56:56 try opkg list_installed | grep gpsd Aug 30 06:57:09 but why then "location" find me with gps? oO Aug 30 06:57:28 location doesn't use gpsd Aug 30 06:57:30 no gpsd installed, because error 17.... Aug 30 06:57:31 why would you be getting gpsd from angstrom? which distro are you using? Aug 30 06:57:41 2008.8 update Aug 30 06:57:51 how is gtk theme set? Aug 30 06:58:08 the gtk theme? sorry I can't understand... Aug 30 06:58:10 ... Aug 30 06:58:13 sylar91: and 2008.8 feeds don't have tangogps and gpsd in them? Aug 30 06:58:37 when I try opkg install gpsd it downloads from angstrom Aug 30 06:58:40 ... Aug 30 06:58:42 oooooooo zphone got an update ... Aug 30 06:58:49 sylar91: why do you have angstrom feeds enabled? Aug 30 06:58:53 any fixes of note ? Aug 30 06:59:02 dbmoodb: zhone? Aug 30 06:59:14 Because I wanted pidgin and there isn't in the default feeds Aug 30 06:59:15 sylar91: that's surely something you've done yourself, cause the default images don't reference angstrom Aug 30 06:59:20 ah what ever it is Aug 30 06:59:43 so I have to remove angstrom repos? Aug 30 06:59:55 so comment out the angstrom feed configs, then opkg install gpsd, then re-enable them to install pidgin Aug 30 07:00:01 rwhitby: your involved in fso no ? Aug 30 07:00:07 how can i set om2007 to 'ring only' or 'vibrate only' profile ? Aug 30 07:00:19 the porblem is that pidgin doesn't install because I get error 17 for all angstrom's softwares... Aug 30 07:00:28 dbmoodb: I maintain the autobuilder on shr.bearstech.com, and use FSO on a GTA01, and have contributed some patches ... Aug 30 07:00:54 damnit, my battery isn't draining fast enough Aug 30 07:00:58 ok. was going to recommend that next time a kernel is build for it to make tons of modules and then load none. -- mainly for debian i suppose. Aug 30 07:01:22 like some usb modules. Aug 30 07:01:23 dbmoodb: debian should build their own kernel Aug 30 07:01:31 rwhitby: perhaps. Aug 30 07:01:36 now I commented angstrom and typed "opkg update" Aug 30 07:01:53 I get some 404 errors... Aug 30 07:02:04 dbmoodb: you can't mix and kernel config from one distro with a rootfs from another distro, and expect it to work Aug 30 07:02:21 :) Aug 30 07:02:32 Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig Aug 30 07:02:33 Signature check failed Aug 30 07:02:33 Collected errors: Aug 30 07:02:33 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 30 07:02:33 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 30 07:02:33 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 30 07:02:34 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 30 07:02:36 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 Aug 30 07:02:41 rwhitby: FSO feeling fantastic Aug 30 07:02:45 ~pastebin Aug 30 07:02:46 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Aug 30 07:02:55 sorry... Aug 30 07:03:00 yerah i second that Aug 30 07:03:05 Geez - isn't the .sig stuff documented as a FAQ on the wiki yet? Aug 30 07:03:14 just need right click. Aug 30 07:03:15 hello everyone. Aug 30 07:03:25 sylar91: where would you expect to see the answer to your problem on the wiki? where would you look first? Aug 30 07:03:30 for copy / paste thing for numbers. Aug 30 07:03:35 I was wondering if someone could help me with a problem... Aug 30 07:03:50 rwhitby: it was there...should still be Aug 30 07:03:51 gcc-cross-initial keeps crashing when I build. Aug 30 07:03:57 gps not working? :D Aug 30 07:04:36 EA2009: that's all the context you're going to give? Aug 30 07:05:18 hold on, I have to copy the error exactly. Aug 30 07:05:34 EA2009: a pastebin I hope :-) Aug 30 07:06:09 * rwhitby checks if pidgin builds on the fso autobuilder ... Aug 30 07:06:25 I'm so sorry, whats a pastebin? Aug 30 07:06:51 ~pastebin Aug 30 07:06:52 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Aug 30 07:08:10 the neo is fantastic :D Aug 30 07:09:56 grrr...anyone know where gtk themes are set? Aug 30 07:14:14 undrwater: On 2007.2 or in general? Aug 30 07:14:43 abraxa_: well...on FSO...but maybe in general... Aug 30 07:15:07 FSO uses some gtk apps such as calc and tangogps Aug 30 07:15:17 look pretty ugly ;) Aug 30 07:16:54 rwhitby: I feel like such a newb, I forgot where the log is kept from each build. Aug 30 07:17:03 undrwater: http://www.hackenberger.at/blog/gentoo-guides/how-to-apply-a-theme-to-gtk-apps-without-having-gnome-installed/ Aug 30 07:17:24 thanks abraxa_ Aug 30 07:22:43 Bah, I broke my phone. Probably some update from the angstrom repository. Aug 30 07:27:08 hello Aug 30 07:27:16 Anyone have any suggestions about tracking down what I should downgrade when enlightenment crashes? Aug 30 07:27:19 Hello vililikku Aug 30 07:27:24 Someone had problem with no keyboard using.. "4. added export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia" reverse this and restart and it would probably come back again.. Aug 30 07:28:36 i have rows http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/41789/ in my config file /etc/network/interaces, and I restart my network (/etc/init.d/networking restart), comes this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/41791/. I'm using Debian unstable with the latest updates Aug 30 07:28:42 and i have neo 1973 Aug 30 07:29:37 and i have installed the FSO to my phone Aug 30 07:29:38 undrwater: how's the phone functions of the image youre using work? Aug 30 07:30:11 AntonTakk: haven't tested...i will...just for you ;) Aug 30 07:30:19 heh Aug 30 07:31:27 wifi is hugely improved over 08 Aug 30 07:31:41 maybe networking in general Aug 30 07:31:50 * AntonTakk is back using his motorola razr because he can't get any of the images he *wants* to use to work :-\ Aug 30 07:32:23 i use the fr sometimes on the weekends....but never if i'm driving Aug 30 07:32:40 undrwater: how does wifi improved over 08 ? Aug 30 07:33:15 Zoup: i used to get dropped from my AP a lot in 08...also, it was really slow Aug 30 07:33:16 hi. Aug 30 07:33:36 well, i think i'm about to head off to bed Aug 30 07:33:45 what shall i test? Aug 30 07:34:01 already registered upon bootup Aug 30 07:34:22 making/receiving calls, particularly with reguard to the ui responding properly Aug 30 07:34:39 no sound Aug 30 07:35:40 qtopia ok ? Aug 30 07:36:33 ok...phone sucks :P Aug 30 07:36:34 :D Aug 30 07:36:36 undrwater: wifi work fine in 2008.8 for me.. Aug 30 07:37:07 need to find a working c example of adding contacts to evolution Aug 30 07:37:32 AntonTakk: ooohhh!! :D Aug 30 07:37:34 undrwater: I just added a resolvconf file so I don't have to put in the dns manually all the time.. Aug 30 07:37:41 why can't they do it with xml?? Aug 30 07:37:42 mmm does 2008.8 read contacts properly now ? Aug 30 07:37:51 undrwater: ? do what? Aug 30 07:37:59 contacts Aug 30 07:38:34 TeLLuS: maybe that's why i was having trouble with 08...but i didn't put anything manually except essid Aug 30 07:39:03 can't contacts be read from an xml file? or is it about security? Aug 30 07:39:11 undrwater: I just select the ssid in setting and it connects. Aug 30 07:39:39 undrwater: no, i'm venturing to start writing some improved apps for fso Aug 30 07:39:59 TeLLuS: what did you put in the resolv.conf? Aug 30 07:40:02 dbmoodb: Properly like what? Only get them from the sim.. Aug 30 07:40:04 or did you just touch it Aug 30 07:40:07 contacts, calendar, phone, "today" type app Aug 30 07:40:29 undrwater: Nothing, it's updated from the dhcp-client Aug 30 07:40:34 AntonTakk: ahhh...using source from other apps? or reinventing wheel? Aug 30 07:40:58 TeLLuS: undrwater: I just added a resolvconf file so I don't have to put in the dns manually all the time.. Aug 30 07:40:59 undrwater: except in c and with edje, using example source where ever i can and it makes sense Aug 30 07:41:15 yeah only from sim Aug 30 07:41:22 i don't trust it to get them any other way Aug 30 07:42:03 AntonTakk: work week view in calendar, please ;) Aug 30 07:42:31 undrwater: yeah, should be able to do anything that evo can do Aug 30 07:42:58 pft except use the evolution files Aug 30 07:43:02 epic fail. Aug 30 07:43:05 in my opinion. Aug 30 07:43:10 TeLLuS: so you added resolvconf file? Aug 30 07:43:21 rwhitby: http://paste.debian.net/15994 Aug 30 07:43:45 dbmoodb: explain? Aug 30 07:44:01 AntonTakk: well when ever i try to move my contacts on to the damn thing it doesn't work Aug 30 07:44:17 + i can add to the calendar without any problems -- which is rather neat Aug 30 07:44:18 undrwater: Yes, touch /etc/resolvconf/run/enable-updates ; cd /etc ; rm resolv.conf ; ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf Aug 30 07:44:43 TeLLuS: is that from wiki? or lists? Aug 30 07:44:54 hi Aug 30 07:45:09 undrwater: only problem is i have /never/ written a gui app before, /never/ used c, /never/ done oop, and /never/ done anything more complicated than multiplying 3d matrices :) so i only have a couple small hurdles :-\ Aug 30 07:45:39 i'll be happy to beta test next year ;) Aug 30 07:45:47 hehe Aug 30 07:45:49 I have midori installed on 2008.8 update but it isn't good for me, what could I install? i need an ajax browser with adaptation to the small screen Aug 30 07:46:05 can anyone help me? Aug 30 07:46:37 undrwater: Ehm, well got a hint on the wiki, but it did not tell exactly how.. on the om2008.8 page.. "we should probably use resolvconf" Aug 30 07:46:59 TeLLuS: you should update the wiki then ;) Aug 30 07:47:18 lots of folks come in here asking "how to wifi??" Aug 30 07:47:38 undrwater: for good reason there is no gui Aug 30 07:47:49 "working" except on debian with network manager Aug 30 07:47:54 lol, no, I'm talking about why glibc wont work. Aug 30 07:48:06 sylar91: Minimo Aug 30 07:48:25 dbmoodb: but TeLLuS got it to work for him Aug 30 07:48:42 TeLLuS: wpa? wep? Aug 30 07:48:42 on 2008.8 gui ? Aug 30 07:48:50 minimo? opkg install minimo? Aug 30 07:48:52 i tried it it fails on my aes wpa2 network. Aug 30 07:49:08 EA2009: configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check Aug 30 07:49:30 yeah, why? and how do I fix it? Aug 30 07:49:31 sylar91: not so easy Aug 30 07:49:36 search on the wiki Aug 30 07:50:13 yu'll find it in the 2007 section if i remember well Aug 30 07:50:48 sylar91: apparently midori on debian is quite nice Aug 30 07:51:20 ah whats midori ? Aug 30 07:51:41 i'm on om 2008.8 update Aug 30 07:51:59 dbmoodb: http://www.twotoasts.de/ Aug 30 07:52:45 oh Aug 30 07:53:17 sylar91:don't worry Aug 30 07:53:24 is the freeruner agps or gps -- works without gsm ? Aug 30 07:53:59 woohoo!! Aug 30 07:54:07 undrwater: Did only test this on a open one, since dhcp should not care about the encryption.. I have not looked at the "can only connect once" problem yet.. Aug 30 07:54:54 ok Aug 30 07:55:09 dbmoodb: Works without gsm, you should read the faq.. Aug 30 07:55:24 did that already Aug 30 07:55:25 dbmoodb agps means normal gps plus the possability of being assisted Aug 30 07:55:36 no asyncronous ? Aug 30 07:56:02 it takes the normal time to get a fix but you can help it if you have some extra data to assist it Aug 30 07:56:51 k cool i thought it was like that -- some guy asked at a lug Aug 30 07:58:04 can somebody tell me why after upgrade to om2008.8 testing the AUX button does nothing? (do not lock/unlock te screen) ? Aug 30 07:58:47 * hipitihop waves at the residents Aug 30 07:59:04 [Bug] #1907: [opkg sources.lst] point to buildhost ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1907 ) Aug 30 07:59:38 resident waves back Aug 30 08:00:19 I mexicam wave back! Aug 30 08:01:03 welcome back...couldn't sleep? Aug 30 08:01:12 so what's the hotest news on the block Aug 30 08:02:27 pyneo? Aug 30 08:02:42 good morning indeed... Aug 30 08:02:50 and somebody is trying to figure out a way to save gps data a tthe end of a session to speed up start-up Aug 30 08:02:59 Zorkman, has that had a release Aug 30 08:03:01 what is pyneo? Aug 30 08:03:14 and they found a command for the GSM chipset to do echo surpression gsm echo Aug 30 08:03:28 hipitihop: no, still proof of concept phase Aug 30 08:03:28 hello from Aug 30 08:03:35 sylar91: http://pyneo.org/ Aug 30 08:03:50 hmm gsm echo supression, that is progress Aug 30 08:03:52 moko Aug 30 08:04:10 and mickeyl said the new realistic ETA of fso milsetone 3 is 05.09 Aug 30 08:04:23 llo undrwate1's moko :) Aug 30 08:04:53 yeah.. with echo suppression we onl have to hope that j0erg figures out some nice solution for gsm interference too and then there would be only major software issues Aug 30 08:05:10 oh my god!!! gsm doesn't work.. what I have done wrong? oO Aug 30 08:05:15 *only one we KNOW of atm :) Aug 30 08:05:19 this keyboard rocks Aug 30 08:05:30 Zorkman, ms 3 is has something one does not see with updates ? Aug 30 08:05:50 ehi is there a gui app for see the battery status on asu? Aug 30 08:06:05 not too bad... Aug 30 08:06:18 raster's predictive kb is great Aug 30 08:06:23 undrwater, are you on fr ? Aug 30 08:06:36 hipitihop: i was as undrwate1 Aug 30 08:06:48 hipitihop: unstable updates should match progress towards mileston3 Aug 30 08:06:58 testing will lag until it's ready Aug 30 08:07:41 hello rwhitby , how was tokyo Aug 30 08:09:09 * hipitihop notes lots of 2008.8 updates coming through today Aug 30 08:11:08 my om2007 clock is not synced with 'date' clock , what can i do ? Aug 30 08:11:15 undrwater: did you use rasters kb? or could you make it work on 2008.8-upgrade? Aug 30 08:11:26 Zorkman: i'm on FSO right now Aug 30 08:11:33 so is illume-config-illume included yet ? I want rasters keyboard on my 2008.8 Aug 30 08:12:06 raster said "if you want raster's keyboard, you can't get it on 2008 qtopia, or deb Aug 30 08:12:09 " Aug 30 08:12:11 hipitihop: i installed illume-config-illume yesterday Aug 30 08:12:15 id didn't do shit... Aug 30 08:12:43 :( Aug 30 08:12:54 undrwater: when did he say that? he wrote mails about hopw to enable it on 2008.8-upgraded and I used it on 2008.8 Aug 30 08:13:50 he told me here last night Aug 30 08:14:01 maybe it's just to keep ppl from asking Aug 30 08:14:48 ehi! is there an... "force shutdown device method", it is noisly to remove the battery every time Aug 30 08:15:04 sylar91: press and hold the power button? Aug 30 08:15:12 sylar91: or "reboot" Aug 30 08:15:25 no, the system crashed and I had to shut down the phone Aug 30 08:15:37 aha, then you're stuck with removing the batt :) Aug 30 08:15:47 sylar91: isn't this fun?? Aug 30 08:16:01 ... there isn't other ways faster? Aug 30 08:16:13 throw it in the pool? Aug 30 08:16:24 lol Aug 30 08:16:42 i usually keep the back off of the phone Aug 30 08:17:06 Let the battery discharge? ;) Aug 30 08:17:08 so many battery pulls...even to test sim card, or change out SD Aug 30 08:17:12 lol Aug 30 08:17:17 viq: that's faster! Aug 30 08:17:21 ahahah Aug 30 08:18:03 the boot is so loooong Aug 30 08:18:35 sylar91: that's why I would like a joke/riddle/quote everytime the phone boots :) Aug 30 08:18:42 *a random one Aug 30 08:18:48 .... Aug 30 08:19:23 Zorkman: fortune Aug 30 08:19:38 but I'm the only person who is trying to use freerunner as a normal phone for every day usage? Aug 30 08:19:43 (sorry for my bad english :D ) Aug 30 08:20:06 sylar91: no you're not...but if you actually get it working as one...you'll then be the only one ;) Aug 30 08:20:25 :D Aug 30 08:20:26 sylar91: have you tried qtopia? Aug 30 08:20:27 * hipitihop chuckles at undrwater Aug 30 08:20:40 no Aug 30 08:20:46 but I like 2008.8.. Aug 30 08:20:56 in qtopia many softwares doesn't runs Aug 30 08:21:12 *run Aug 30 08:21:21 (lol) Aug 30 08:22:07 a tone of qtopia upgrades coming through to day on 2008 Aug 30 08:23:18 hipitihop: example? Aug 30 08:24:39 undrwater, just many many packages upgraded today including qtopia-phone-x11-libqtcore etc Aug 30 08:26:30 undrwater: more updates, e-wm exquisite hal libetk-engines-evas qtopia-phone-x11 qtopia-phone-x11-composer-emailcomposer qtopia-phone-x11-libqtcore qtopia-phone-x11-qtmail Aug 30 08:26:41 hehe and now that it finished I get an serious enlightnement error, guess it time to reboot Aug 30 08:28:26 is there a cli command to see battery status ? Aug 30 08:28:47 and what is the best battery ui for 2008 upgraded Aug 30 08:30:02 batmon? Aug 30 08:32:44 undrwater: Now I have set up wpa on my dd-wrt linksys, neo and tested it.. Works fine, it also use different DHCPserver and settings then on my other wireless-network.. only providing the wpa password.. Aug 30 08:33:29 Zorkman, have link to batmon, I'll lok up myselfif nothing handy Aug 30 08:34:03 http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon.py Aug 30 08:34:11 ieatlint made it Aug 30 08:35:20 undrwater: Asked yesterday if there is a reason why we not ship with this setting in place already... And I got no answer. Aug 30 08:36:19 Zorkman, sorry for being a noob, downloaded it but how do I run it Aug 30 08:36:33 np hipitihop Aug 30 08:37:06 just type batmon.py Aug 30 08:37:07 it is known that after resume in 2008.8 update the audio doesn't run? Aug 30 08:38:05 Zorkman, I tried that but got permission denied, so I tried 'chmod a+x batmon.py' now eh I run it complains about line 16 in module import gtk. Aug 30 08:38:49 maybe you need to install some python stuff Aug 30 08:38:53 what is the exact error emssage? Aug 30 08:39:38 zorkman, Traceback (most recent call last): Aug 30 08:39:38 File "batmon.py", line 16, in import gtk mportError: No module named gtk Aug 30 08:41:00 hipitihop: try opkg install python python-pygtk Aug 30 08:42:01 maybe you wiull also need to install python-pygobject Aug 30 08:43:21 I always had it on my list to try my hand a python so quickly running out of excuses (I'm a old smalltalker by trade) Aug 30 08:43:40 :) Aug 30 08:45:40 hmm, installed those, still get error, this time: import gtk Aug 30 08:45:40 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 82, in Aug 30 08:45:40 init() Aug 30 08:45:40 NameError: name 'init' is not defined Aug 30 08:45:53 * hipitihop sorry for flooding channel Aug 30 08:48:41 np hipitihop, you have to edit the file Aug 30 08:49:07 hipitihop: change __init__.py, line 82, change "init" to "_init". Aug 30 08:49:30 I mean, open /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py, go to line 82 and change "init" to "_init" Aug 30 08:51:41 i'm wondering why they still haven't fixed that one... Aug 30 08:51:47 Zorkman, bugger I ghave to go, have a trivia night to attend. will do this when I return. thanks for the assist. Aug 30 08:51:57 np, it'll work, trust me :) Aug 30 08:52:26 :-) sorry to get help and run... damn life constanntly interfering ;-) Aug 30 08:53:33 Om2007 is unable to get all of my contact from sim card , what to do ? Aug 30 08:54:01 Zoup: upgrade? Aug 30 08:56:17 TeLLuS: i don't want to upgrade to om2008 , om2008 is very unstable Aug 30 08:56:18 undrwater: Seems like /lib/resolvconf/list-records is also needed.. Aug 30 08:58:01 Zoup: Unstable how? I been using it for a few days now.. seems ok. Only hardlocked once when I messed about with the keyboard.. Aug 30 08:58:50 TeLLuS: i'd appreciate if you put that at least on the talk portion of the wiki Aug 30 08:58:56 Need a fix for the caller echo, but I have not tested the new setting posted.. Aug 30 08:59:08 [Bug] #1908: [python bindings] can't start settings on the testing image ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1908 ) Aug 30 08:59:41 TeLLuS: there is a better way Aug 30 08:59:53 undrwater: I'l do that now, so other can test this.. Aug 30 08:59:55 somebody found out about an AT command to do echo surpression Aug 30 09:01:39 Can the battery discharge completely with the kernel of the om2008.8 update or am I safe? Aug 30 09:03:17 don't know dolf1074, andy posted somewhere that it would be ok, but a few days ago my batt was at 0.0% (but it didn't shut down, I wasjust in time to plug it in I think) Aug 30 09:03:29 (at least the FR said it was at 0.0%) Aug 30 09:03:55 Zorkman, it may be lying so you will think it's done though you will have more time to charge Aug 30 09:04:03 [Bug] #1909: [tichy] package still not in the package feed ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1909 ) Aug 30 09:04:41 I know TAsn, that's why I added that it was what my FR said it to be :) Aug 30 09:05:14 i know that's why you said it. :) Aug 30 09:07:39 Zorkman: Any reference on what to do? Seems it is not in the case http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 Aug 30 09:08:04 give me a sec Aug 30 09:08:43 TeLLuS: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html Aug 30 09:10:20 I can start my device in NOR without a battery. So I'm theoretical safe against the battery empty issue? I just have to start my device in NOR and put my battery in, when my software is loaded. Am I correct? Aug 30 09:14:50 Zorkman: Thanks, Was just about to read that thread, testing.. Aug 30 09:25:14 apparently: http://n2.nabble.com/Empty-battery%2C-unbootable-Neo-tp792982p793719.html Aug 30 09:46:49 when i do opkg upgrade i get http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig Aug 30 09:46:57 but this results in a 404-error Aug 30 09:47:01 the file's not there Aug 30 09:47:29 tomboy64: its not important Aug 30 09:47:36 it's not? Aug 30 09:47:41 why? Aug 30 09:48:12 tomboy64: they are not using sig files, yet Aug 30 09:49:03 [Bug] #1910: Run the build host ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1910 ) Aug 30 09:49:26 oh Aug 30 09:51:17 is there a default editor installed? Aug 30 09:51:26 tomboy64: vi Aug 30 09:51:39 head -> keyboard Aug 30 09:51:46 tried vim time and again :-| Aug 30 09:53:04 ahoi Aug 30 09:54:03 [Bug] #1911: Implement libframeworkd-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1911 ) Aug 30 09:54:03 [Bug] #1912: port 2007.2 dialer2 (now dialer3) to use ophoned instead ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1912 ) Aug 30 09:54:03 [Bug] #1913: port 2007.2 gsm-panel apps to use ophoned instead. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1913 ) Aug 30 09:54:03 [Bug] #1914: switch media player to use alsa directly ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1914 ) Aug 30 09:59:03 [Bug] #1915: verify porting of pulseaudio related apps from 2007.2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1915 ) Aug 30 09:59:03 [Bug] #1916: get neod workalike that uses ophoned to determine if you're on a call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1916 ) Aug 30 10:04:05 [Bug] #1917: Test & label good SHR releases ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1917 ) Aug 30 10:04:05 [Bug] #1918: Identify packages to go into SHR. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1918 ) Aug 30 10:04:05 [Bug] #1919: Identify differences between FSO & 2007.2 that need investigation. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1919 ) Aug 30 10:04:05 [Bug] #1920: Integrate mwester's pulseaudio resume fix into SHR. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1920 ) Aug 30 10:04:37 uhm Aug 30 10:04:53 could someone point me to the location where the wpa passphrases are stored? Aug 30 10:07:54 Added "NOTE: Solution: Steps to add missing resolvconf script: " To make it pick up dns from dhcp when using wifi. https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues Aug 30 10:09:03 [Bug] #1921: Create messages3 as a copy of 2007.2's messages2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1921 ) Aug 30 10:09:03 [Bug] #1922: port messages3 to use libframework-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1922 ) Aug 30 10:09:03 [Bug] #1923: Create contacts3 as a copy of 2007.2's contacts2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1923 ) Aug 30 10:09:03 [Bug] #1924: port contacts3 to use libframework-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1924 ) Aug 30 10:09:06 [Bug] #1925: Make ophonekitd switch the sound over to gsmhandset ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1925 ) Aug 30 10:09:09 [Bug] #1926: port dialer2's journal to dialer3/ophonekitd/libframework-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1926 ) Aug 30 10:14:53 installed 'illume-config' but theres no icon on the top bar .. restarted .. but nothing .. using 2008.8 update Aug 30 10:19:16 /quit/ Aug 30 10:37:42 \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ Aug 30 10:43:23 what does it mean if the aux-button glows red? Aug 30 10:43:38 there are aliens in your house Aug 30 10:43:43 no, i don't know Aug 30 10:43:57 Usually that the device is charging. Aug 30 10:44:03 [Bug] #1927: Login problem ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1927 ) Aug 30 10:44:04 Nothing to worry about. Aug 30 10:44:13 I first though, it was red when is it charching, but that's not always truth Aug 30 10:44:33 Well, it's true, but it's kind of fucked up :D Aug 30 10:54:55 uh oh Aug 30 10:55:14 Looks like italy is awake :p Aug 30 10:57:20 Dave, i just noticed you are here 24/7 ;) Aug 30 10:57:25 anyone using 2008.8 update Aug 30 10:59:14 lloyd_fedora: yes Aug 30 10:59:35 yes Aug 30 10:59:51 TeLLuS: is illume-config workin for u Aug 30 11:02:16 lloyd_fedora: I'm using the included keyboard if that is what you mean. But also reenabled the qwerty button on the left meny. Aug 30 11:02:24 sssh :P Aug 30 11:03:44 TeLLuS: what bout the app that lets u tweak illume .. scroll speed etc Aug 30 11:05:34 lloyd_fedora: Have not used it. Trying to find a device name for the modem.. to get rid if the echo.. Aug 30 11:05:54 I'm still not sure how to switch on the OpenMoko (om2008.8 update), and it's not written on the wiki :/ lomg push or short push on the power button? Aug 30 11:05:58 tassassins Aug 30 11:06:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner oups, sorry :) Aug 30 11:06:52 why 8 seconds? could it be improved? Aug 30 11:08:01 alx____: long push .. is it 8 secs .. doesn't feel like it :-) Aug 30 11:09:55 I think 8secs is just to be sure if someone is counting really fast.. :) Aug 30 11:10:10 :D Aug 30 11:22:30 hi, do we still have to partition (vfat + ext2), when boot from SD card using U-Boot Aug 30 11:23:14 yes Aug 30 11:28:42 can we have only one ext (eliminate vfat partition), i know qi can work without vfat Aug 30 11:29:02 Unsure Aug 30 11:29:08 I haven't done it myself :) Aug 30 11:30:15 seems there is a patch can do it, but i haven't tried yet Aug 30 11:31:48 Dave: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry Aug 30 11:32:03 I'm sorry, Openfree: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry Aug 30 11:32:04 xd Aug 30 11:32:40 :P Aug 30 11:32:48 SiNiESTr0, i'm reading this now~ @@ Aug 30 11:32:49 woo Aug 30 11:33:18 apt nickometer SiNiESTrO Aug 30 11:33:19 'SiNiESTrO' is 69.000% lame, dave Aug 30 11:33:23 huhu :P Aug 30 11:33:44 nickometer? xd Aug 30 11:34:42 yeah Aug 30 11:34:46 IT SHOWS YOU HOW LAME YOU ARE! Aug 30 11:35:55 hi guys! :-) Aug 30 11:36:37 hey Aug 30 11:36:55 and It get the info from my nickname... totally empirical, yes... Aug 30 11:36:56 :) Aug 30 11:37:39 apt nickometer CIA-22 Aug 30 11:37:40 'CIA-22' is 49.000% lame, spydon Aug 30 11:37:54 apt nickometer spydon Aug 30 11:37:56 'spydon' is 0.000% lame, viq Aug 30 11:37:59 hi! I am not up to date on the status of any OM software on the Neo1973: Is there a image yet with reliable sleep and reliable phone support? To switch to a neo as a day-to-day phone? If not, is there one for the freerunner? Aug 30 11:38:01 heh Aug 30 11:38:07 ^^ Aug 30 11:38:14 good morning everyone Aug 30 11:38:17 toxx_: I believe the answer is "use qtopia" Aug 30 11:38:48 viq: the official qtopia image is still very old, isn't it? what are usable alternatives? I don't object to using something QT-based... Aug 30 11:39:15 Don't ask me, I just lurk here and gather odd bits of information ;) Aug 30 11:39:28 apt nickometer viq Aug 30 11:39:29 'viq' is 0.000% lame, viq Aug 30 11:40:03 qtopia is updated to 4.3.2: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td789148|a789148 Aug 30 11:40:34 Here's my keyboard layout with description and images: http://wiki.harnir.net/openmoko:keyboard-compressed Aug 30 11:41:13 dolf1074: hey, thanks! Does that built support reliable wakeup from sleep and going into sleep on the neo? Aug 30 11:41:19 WTF is it with pages that require scripts to show anything at all? Aug 30 11:42:10 thanks harnir :) Aug 30 11:42:29 toxx_: I don't know, I'm having om2008.8 at the moment and started to install debian. Tonight I want all the distros on my SDHC card. So tonight I can anwser ;) Aug 30 11:42:32 alx____: you're welcome. give me your national keyboard ;-) Aug 30 11:43:02 harnir: I´ll look at the file to give you spanish and french keyboard Aug 30 11:43:08 dolf1074: tonight in UTC/europe? Good, thank you, I'll ask again then :-) Aug 30 11:43:47 toxx_: tonight as in 23u50 in Brussels Aug 30 11:44:13 dolf1074: alright. Aug 30 11:47:12 oh no, it's harnir Aug 30 11:47:26 -_- Aug 30 11:47:29 Dave: hi :-) Aug 30 11:47:39 Dave: I came back to torment you again! Aug 30 11:47:48 Bastard! Aug 30 11:47:51 I can see that :P Aug 30 11:47:58 You and your pesky keyboards. Aug 30 11:48:03 How do I bring back my 2008.08 freerunner when the screen has turned off? Aux button does nothing - power button seems to reboot Aug 30 11:48:27 Dave: try it before you criticize it! Aug 30 11:48:38 Maybe Aug 30 11:48:43 If there's ever a decent english one. Aug 30 11:48:55 Also if you can distribute it without posting ten more screenshots to scap :P Aug 30 11:48:57 Dave: what you mean by 'decent'? Aug 30 11:49:07 some of the screenshots make it look ridiculous Aug 30 11:49:09 Dave: you saw my link earlier? Aug 30 11:49:12 no Aug 30 11:49:16 Dave: http://wiki.harnir.net/openmoko:keyboard-compressed Aug 30 11:49:22 All I saw was you talking about the french Aug 30 11:49:25 haw Aug 30 11:49:40 eww, you have a wiki? Aug 30 11:49:45 you must be fat :p Aug 30 11:50:06 talking from personal experience are we? ;-) Aug 30 11:51:35 I'll play with it, but I fear it will likely be failicious. Aug 30 11:51:54 but if you want to change it to not suck, that would be okay too :) Aug 30 11:52:06 Dave: the truth is, I will test it myself in my 5 h long ride to home tommorow. Aug 30 11:52:23 Dave: give me your suggestions, I'll see what I can do. Aug 30 11:54:23 damn right! Aug 30 11:55:15 harnir, have you seen raster's keyboard? Aug 30 11:55:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r72548bfbe296 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890 Aug 30 11:55:44 Dave: I don't think so, link? Aug 30 11:56:43 harnir: rasters keyboard is the illume one Aug 30 11:56:46 it rocks your socks Aug 30 11:56:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1dbfdcd93178 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890 Aug 30 11:57:10 Zorkman: that included in the ASU? Aug 30 11:57:17 or 2008.8? Aug 30 11:57:24 no harnir, that is e-s keyboard i think Aug 30 11:57:43 http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png is the one Aug 30 11:57:50 harnir, no Aug 30 11:57:58 it seems way to small, but it is actually very usable with fingers Aug 30 11:58:11 It's the future. Aug 30 11:58:32 possible to install it on 2008.8? Aug 30 11:58:36 Zorkman: looks nice... works in 1007.2? Aug 30 11:58:38 2008.8's keyboard is very nice for typing sms or mail in english, but it sucks at everything else Aug 30 11:59:02 harnir: no, it's something of illume, as far as i know no way of running it in 2007.2 Aug 30 11:59:19 so, you're stick with my creation then :P Aug 30 11:59:24 would be very nice if the prediction was blocked by default Aug 30 11:59:27 zorkman, like for the terminal? :P Aug 30 11:59:35 harnir: if you install rasters image (sort of modified 2008.8 you have this keyboard standard, it's even possible to change dictinonaries and cycle between keyboards) Aug 30 11:59:40 s/stick/stuck/ Aug 30 11:59:40 harnir meant: so, you're stuck with my creation then :P Aug 30 11:59:54 harnir: i already have a modified matchbox Aug 30 11:59:55 harnir: It's a monstar! Aug 30 12:00:06 but it lacks some symbols, i'll try yours later today Aug 30 12:00:08 Dave: tried it already? Aug 30 12:00:53 -_- Aug 30 12:01:20 ;) Aug 30 12:01:29 btw, vim rocks with onscreen keyboard Aug 30 12:01:36 duh? Aug 30 12:05:27 is there a screencast or a video of the illume keyboard anywhere? Aug 30 12:06:29 not that i know of... Aug 30 12:06:40 just believe me: it is the best Aug 30 12:06:48 try raster's image :) Aug 30 12:07:40 I'm agree... Aug 30 12:07:56 i don't even have a freerunner yet to try it ;) Aug 30 12:08:15 Zorkman: is it a finger keyboard or a stylus-only one? Aug 30 12:08:16 what the best way to try raster image? Aug 30 12:08:41 baze: I have already sent 10 mails and tens of message on the bugtracker about that the current keyboard is insufficient... hopfullky by the time your FR arrives you will have it standard on it :p Aug 30 12:08:53 :) Aug 30 12:08:55 tuXXX: I can use my fingers, and I'm all but "girly" :) Aug 30 12:09:12 so it's like the qtopia one Aug 30 12:09:15 really, i didn't believe it myself, but when i tried it worked fine Aug 30 12:09:15 there is not opkg any way to turn the screen back on from sh? Aug 30 12:09:30 muchg better than the matchbox one for example, there you really have to play a game to hit the right keys... Aug 30 12:09:48 how do I shut off apps in ASU? I want to do an opkg update but the installer is running Aug 30 12:10:02 with the accelerometers switching to landscape mode, it should be even better, right? Aug 30 12:10:18 Zorkman: yes, for me the matchbox keyboard is a stylus-only one ^^ Aug 30 12:10:59 baze: i haven't tested it in landscape mode, sorry Aug 30 12:11:13 and on 2008.8-upgrade it's near impossible to get the raster keyboard :( Aug 30 12:12:41 pabs :P Aug 30 12:12:52 Sounds like another "Feature" :p Aug 30 12:13:16 :x Aug 30 12:13:24 pabs3: killall packagekitd Aug 30 12:15:01 launchall zig Aug 30 12:15:03 have anybody tried the debian dist already? Aug 30 12:15:21 Does that really takes so long to install it? Aug 30 12:15:33 so long? Aug 30 12:15:56 yes he's already busy from 13u00 (and now it is 14u15) Aug 30 12:16:08 how do I get the illume keyboard to switch to terminal mode? Aug 30 12:16:40 He's busy in the APT stage Aug 30 12:17:22 I see it now, the server is really slow. He fetched 2749Kb in 1h10min Aug 30 12:17:44 back to modem speed Aug 30 12:17:56 * pabs3 suggests trying a different mirror in that case Aug 30 12:18:32 dolf1074 will do that ;) Aug 30 12:19:46 :) Aug 30 12:21:20 qtopia.net seems quite poorly Aug 30 12:21:49 heh Aug 30 12:21:59 You noticed this :D Aug 30 12:22:03 * Dave smirks at lpotter Aug 30 12:22:21 was gonna try their latest image Aug 30 12:22:35 Yeah 4.3.2 was recently released. Aug 30 12:22:46 The "stable" version anyway. Aug 30 12:28:59 * pabs3 likes to see CVS -> SVN changes in the output of opkg update Aug 30 12:29:27 yep ;p Aug 30 12:45:50 hi, I have another porblem :D Aug 30 12:48:01 I can't change keyboard, someone could help me? Aug 30 12:49:18 i have a shiny new freerunner Aug 30 12:49:25 but gps doesn't seem to get a fix Aug 30 12:49:28 tomboy64, w00t Aug 30 12:49:42 i did the ttySAC-thingy Aug 30 12:49:43 cant wait till i have my freerunner Aug 30 12:50:00 echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd Aug 30 12:50:06 :) Aug 30 12:50:08 * Kiantis got a gta02v5 recently too, but has different problems with bluetooth keyboard Aug 30 12:50:21 never tried bluetooth :-P Aug 30 12:50:40 and now the gps-ui keeps telling me "fail fail fail" Aug 30 12:50:43 i don't think this could be easili resolved since i have same problems on linux@pc Aug 30 12:50:47 when i start the running Aug 30 12:51:20 tomboy64: are you indoor? Aug 30 12:51:31 tried it at the window Aug 30 12:51:35 with a free sky Aug 30 12:51:56 tried that too, but i got better result on a completely open space. even a single wall could gie me problems Aug 30 12:52:05 i guess it also depends on satellites positions Aug 30 12:52:15 mhmm Aug 30 12:52:39 btw Aug 30 12:52:49 where are psk-keys stored on the freerunner? Aug 30 12:53:10 psks for bluetooth? Aug 30 12:54:03 no Aug 30 12:54:06 for wlan/wpa Aug 30 12:54:10 Kiantis: same problem to get gps fix, 5min. on clear sky (building roof) Aug 30 12:54:32 alx____: i did it in 70 seconds on clear Aug 30 12:55:09 hum... could my gps be defective? Aug 30 12:55:20 alx____: no its dodgy i find. Aug 30 12:55:54 and i noticed, after, that an hardware modification was already there for my device. I wasn't sure before, because i was mixig a bit the versions Aug 30 12:56:00 alx____: here too >4min for a fix Aug 30 12:56:23 some component in the SD space Aug 30 12:56:29 Kiantis: same here, receive the openmoko this week with hardwre fix Aug 30 12:56:53 i've also compared to another BT GPS device i had, and actually freerunner was even faster Aug 30 12:57:20 dbmoodb: yes, probably dodgy, but don't really need the gps at the moment, so wo't investigate too much Aug 30 12:57:42 going ot try raster image now :) Aug 30 12:58:08 OK. I've updated 2007.2 as much as I can. I want to try rasters image now, since this is just too painful. Aug 30 13:00:20 i'm not sure to grasp the differences here: in the bluetooth keyboard issue i've suggested before, i have two options in the keyboard and they are SPP and HID. One just doesn't connect, the other keeps on writing incorrect chars even when not striking the keyboard Aug 30 13:00:41 (HID is the one doesn't connect) Aug 30 13:01:50 i guess i should make work with hid to see what's different... but i get connetion reset by peer by bluetooth (both on freerunner and my desktop) Aug 30 13:14:37 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=rjZQlQzCuJ4 Aug 30 13:19:57 ernst: WOW :) Aug 30 13:20:25 does anyone know anything about this ? http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=s5QMW8k5nis Aug 30 13:22:40 unfortunately, I do not :( Aug 30 13:25:05 hi kids Aug 30 13:25:59 I have a problem when trying to get stuff out from jffs2 image, it doesn't loop mount, so, is there other way to get data out of it? Aug 30 13:27:29 Tm_T: yes, i'll try to recall what it is Aug 30 13:28:05 lindi-: danke sehr Aug 30 13:29:09 I tried with jffs2dump but no luck Aug 30 13:30:30 modprobe mtdram total_size=$ramroot_fs_size erase_size=128 && modprobe mtdblock Aug 30 13:30:43 cat a.jffs2 > /dev/mtdblock0 ; mount /dev/mtdblock0 /mnt Aug 30 13:30:46 isn't ideal but should work Aug 30 13:30:55 lets try it (: Aug 30 13:31:39 ah, there's blkmtd Aug 30 13:31:48 ? Aug 30 13:31:52 So, looking at the offerings, 2008.8 seems the most useful, right? Aug 30 13:31:52 modprobe blkmtd device=/dev/loop0 Aug 30 13:31:55 ernst: wait a moment... Aug 30 13:32:01 Tm_T: then mount /dev/mtdblock0 Aug 30 13:32:10 ah, thanks Aug 30 13:32:52 lindi-: umm, no such module Aug 30 13:32:59 blkmtd that is Aug 30 13:34:35 Tm_T: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html#L_loopback Aug 30 13:34:41 Tm_T: 'The only way to manipulate JFFS2 images is by copying them into a mtdram device and mounting the device with JFFS2.' Aug 30 13:34:54 Tm_T: so my first non-ideal solution seems to be the only solution Aug 30 13:36:20 lindi-: aye Aug 30 13:36:36 lindi-: looks like you're already there, but http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarBackupHowto may be helpful otherwise Aug 30 13:36:59 I have so many repositories! Aug 30 13:37:02 D: Aug 30 13:37:56 Tm_T: bluelightning's link mentions blkmtd Aug 30 13:38:20 lindi-: it could be out of date Aug 30 13:38:33 IIRC one of those modules got renamed a while back Aug 30 13:38:35 OK, so I'm getting ready to jump! From casual reviews, 2008.8 seems the most useful for daily use and development on, posibly with rasters keyboard fixes. Is this the general consensus? Aug 30 13:39:12 lindi-: bluelightning thanks, I hope its working now, apparently builtin so no module Aug 30 13:39:23 lindi-: ok, I was going to suggest trying mtd_blkdevs Aug 30 13:39:23 yep Aug 30 13:39:35 Oh, 2007 haters? Aug 30 13:39:40 got it, thanks, danke sehr, hooray and so on (: Aug 30 13:40:40 2007 seems rather useless and now dropped completely in favour of many other paths. Am I wrong? Aug 30 13:40:58 johngay: what are these keyboard fixes ? Aug 30 13:41:18 WRONG Aug 30 13:41:33 I've read that raster has implemented better keyboards for the 2008 image. Aug 30 13:41:37 pabs, people didn't like the default one, so they went off to make their own. Aug 30 13:41:59 johngay, I believe that's incorrect; he has made his own keyboard, and got it to work with 2008.8 Aug 30 13:42:18 ernst: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_FAQ#How_to_use_an_external_USB_or_Bluetooth_keyboard_with_the_FreeRunner_.3F Aug 30 13:42:23 ernst: this may help... Aug 30 13:42:28 the illume keyboard or something else? Aug 30 13:42:35 2007.2 development driven by openmoko inc. has basically stopped and resources are allocated in favor of 2008.8, Aug 30 13:42:36 ernst: more info in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host Aug 30 13:42:39 ernst: ;) Aug 30 13:43:00 from the wiki. Aug 30 13:43:58 speaking of 2008 hows it been working lately Aug 30 13:43:58 johngay: Check out the SHR Aug 30 13:44:07 johngay: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Development Aug 30 13:44:12 I've upgraded the 2007.2 image and tried installing a few apps as well, but it's rather buggy, and several of them just fail to start with no indication why. Aug 30 13:44:36 johngay: Sorry, meant http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Aug 30 13:45:20 john, yes, three or so do, but who cares? Aug 30 13:45:31 oh and if they don't start, you should try starting them from the command line Aug 30 13:45:38 it'll likely tell you why it failed to launch Aug 30 13:45:44 usually it's because you were missing files or something Aug 30 13:45:59 though I admit a couple of the default apps (Games) do not start, and leave no indication why. *shrug* Aug 30 13:46:03 who cares though, anyway :p Aug 30 13:46:09 unless you are a game master :p Aug 30 13:46:11 I know many people here prefer gtk, and that's fine. I'm more of a QT man myself, though. Given the options as I read them, 2008.8 seems the better starting point for me. Aug 30 13:46:53 qt woman, you mean Aug 30 13:47:13 aww shit, libc6 exploded again. Aug 30 13:48:26 My two problems are: 1) I need to convince my wife I haven't wasted our money by showing that the phone works for daily needs. Aug 30 13:49:28 2) I want to work on my programming skills, which suck huge donkey &*%^'s and QT looks easier for me. Aug 30 13:49:48 heh Aug 30 13:51:26 there should be a warning on shop.openmoko.org: "Do not buy this phone if you will need to justify the purchase to your spouse!" Aug 30 13:51:38 Hehe Aug 30 13:51:50 definitely Aug 30 13:51:50 johngay: you can install two or more distributions in microsd with u-boot help... :) Aug 30 13:52:27 johngay: you can install qtopia for normal use and the rest for development Aug 30 13:55:43 I know, but I'd like to work towards one target ATM. I don't want to go with qtopia only if I can use 2008.8 and build to suite my tastes. Aug 30 13:57:33 hi i'm trying to flash my freerunner but dfu-util complains about more than one dfu capable device (i only have 1) it sees "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" and "UNDEFINED" any ideas? the last time i flashed was fine Aug 30 13:57:53 woo hoo! Aug 30 13:58:05 who's ready for the rain!? Aug 30 13:58:20 seaLne: sounds like you have another device that can be flashed - on my laptop, the bluetooth shows up as UNDEFINED in dfu-util Aug 30 13:58:37 seaLne: use the -d option in dfu-util to set the right device Aug 30 13:59:02 doh i forgot i had a bt dongle plugged in hiding behind a faceplate :) Aug 30 13:59:21 (i also spent about 30min earlier trying to find the dongle...) Aug 30 14:00:02 pabs3: thanks Aug 30 14:00:31 I just want to get an idea of which is the most stable for daily use. I'm leaning towards 2008.8 with rasters keyboard, but SHR only lists N/A on the wiki. Aug 30 14:01:01 that's because there are no SHR images yet Aug 30 14:01:15 so nobody can test SHR as distribution Aug 30 14:03:06 So if I want an image, then I guess 2008.8 is for me. Aug 30 14:03:52 * hipitihop waves at all Aug 30 14:04:02 so Aug 30 14:04:04 * johngay waves back Aug 30 14:04:07 I use the 2008.8 and i'm happy with that Aug 30 14:04:07 i'm throwing a hurricane party Aug 30 14:04:11 everyone is invited Aug 30 14:04:28 Where are you? Aug 30 14:04:35 lafayette louisiana Aug 30 14:04:40 hippityhop Aug 30 14:04:44 johngay, depends what you are looking for Aug 30 14:04:46 haha Aug 30 14:04:50 backwater hicks Aug 30 14:05:05 hippityhop, WHY ARE YOU NOT ON THE FRIENDS MAP!? Aug 30 14:05:11 mm hmm, us backwater hicks got one of the higher rated CMPS schools in the nation Aug 30 14:05:18 iirc, top 30 Aug 30 14:05:20 When my neighbours threw a hurricane party for FAY, their manufactured homes got wiped out by tornados. Aug 30 14:05:30 great, the rest of your state sucks Aug 30 14:05:34 and everyone's fat and unhealthy Aug 30 14:05:41 and speaks like trash Aug 30 14:05:42 \o/ Aug 30 14:05:42 we like good food Aug 30 14:05:46 numbah: terve Aug 30 14:05:50 Dave: Maybe you'd feel like home there? :D Aug 30 14:05:50 rooly, honestly, it's not good Aug 30 14:05:50 Dave, gaven't really played with it, chopping and changing distros all the time, rarely outside Aug 30 14:05:52 it's bad Aug 30 14:05:58 hippityhop :) Aug 30 14:05:59 Dave: hello Aug 30 14:05:59 * rooly snickers at dave Aug 30 14:06:03 >:) Aug 30 14:06:11 CM kek Aug 30 14:06:18 * CM puts Dave back in the lab ;) Aug 30 14:06:24 bah! Aug 30 14:06:30 Stupid Wirus Aug 30 14:06:38 so nobody's coming to mah party? Aug 30 14:06:48 Dave, are we talking location or tangogps Aug 30 14:06:50 I'm in florida. Sorry. Aug 30 14:07:00 numbah, mitä kuuluu? Aug 30 14:07:10 hippityhop, tango friends. Aug 30 14:07:15 john, don't get washed away! Aug 30 14:07:20 * rooly will turn on tango Aug 30 14:07:23 you can all see me! Aug 30 14:07:26 Excellent! Aug 30 14:07:33 Then we can all make fun of you! :) Aug 30 14:07:34 Dave: just got my freerunner yesterday and now exploring random stuff with it Aug 30 14:07:43 Nah, we appreciate all the tangogps users. Aug 30 14:07:48 And particular those who are our friends :) Aug 30 14:07:56 numbah :) Aug 30 14:08:04 freerunner is cool to impress your friends Aug 30 14:08:17 and please your girlfriend! Aug 30 14:08:26 just not by calling :P Aug 30 14:08:30 (since that doesn't work well yet) Aug 30 14:08:36 you mean there's a vibrator driver now? Aug 30 14:08:45 nyu: not the average joe friends yet Aug 30 14:08:50 dave, installing on 2008. - updated now Aug 30 14:08:56 bumbl: my joe friends play wesnoth Aug 30 14:08:56 oh Aug 30 14:08:58 -_- Aug 30 14:09:01 on their windozes Aug 30 14:09:06 on their freerunner? Aug 30 14:09:15 they were amazed to see it in a phone Aug 30 14:09:18 nyu, uh, I might have created on, yes. Aug 30 14:09:23 :D Aug 30 14:09:27 nyu: my average joe friends play windows vista Aug 30 14:09:34 is that a game? Aug 30 14:09:40 rofl Aug 30 14:09:48 it's a rather complex game Aug 30 14:09:53 defeat the evil confirmation dialogs by clicking all of them! Aug 30 14:09:59 however it gives a feeling of being half complete Aug 30 14:10:07 10 points score for each dialog Aug 30 14:10:07 there are plenty of bugs that crash the game all the time Aug 30 14:10:23 and it likes to eat up your memory cards Aug 30 14:10:57 nyu: yes its like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch_ärgere_dich_nicht Aug 30 14:11:06 that's nothing, the xbox360 likes to scratch your DVDs Aug 30 14:11:10 no kidding Aug 30 14:11:14 haha awesome Aug 30 14:11:25 http://goodbye-microsoft.com/can_you_trust.jpeg Aug 30 14:11:43 Dave: a friend of mine got one and it scratches 2 or 3 of his games Aug 30 14:11:50 nyu, so are you in to playing games on the freerunner? Aug 30 14:12:01 nyu, what the fuck is this, a turntable or a gaming console? Aug 30 14:12:02 Dave: and it's _not_ an isolated incident Aug 30 14:12:13 DJ Xbox likes to scratch? Aug 30 14:12:18 lol\ Aug 30 14:12:21 so i am away Aug 30 14:12:22 bye Aug 30 14:12:23 wiki-wiki-woo Aug 30 14:12:30 Dave: just wesnoth so far. any other suggestions? Aug 30 14:12:35 There are lots! Aug 30 14:12:38 and more coming! Aug 30 14:12:56 one sec Aug 30 14:13:01 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xbox+scratch&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= Aug 30 14:13:02 my module tree just exploded on me :( Aug 30 14:13:19 wow, even youtube videos Aug 30 14:13:58 nyu, in any case, I hope to have an ipk of DOOM and Heretic soon, playable on the freerunner Aug 30 14:14:10 we just need to find a [better] method of input, is all :) Aug 30 14:14:11 Dave: how do you play doom without a keyboard? Aug 30 14:14:17 exactly :P Aug 30 14:14:21 game controller Aug 30 14:14:23 gamepad Aug 30 14:14:26 :D Aug 30 14:14:28 give it up... Aug 30 14:14:33 holy shit Aug 30 14:14:35 that noise! Aug 30 14:14:35 give what up? Aug 30 14:14:35 it ain't gonna cut it Aug 30 14:14:46 Rooly, IT'S COMING FOR YOU! Aug 30 14:14:53 nyu, sure it is. Aug 30 14:14:56 jesus Aug 30 14:14:58 rooly: ballmer's sneaking on us Aug 30 14:15:01 it looks like a turntable record Aug 30 14:15:15 :D Aug 30 14:15:19 reminds me of that scene in austin powers Aug 30 14:15:25 so the xbox sucks is the conclusion? Aug 30 14:15:28 is there any fix to buzz and echo while calls (om2007.2) Aug 30 14:15:29 Well, we already knew that. Aug 30 14:15:30 rooly: did you pay your "protection" today? Aug 30 14:15:51 nah Aug 30 14:15:51 Actually a friend of mine who plays 360 games, plays 90% of them from HDD, so, I'm not worried for their sake :) Aug 30 14:15:53 i don't own one Aug 30 14:15:54 tomboy64 did :-P Aug 30 14:16:09 speaking of which Aug 30 14:16:13 MORE FREERUNNER GAMES! Aug 30 14:16:18 but every reason i have to make fun of my friends who DO own a 360 is a good one Aug 30 14:17:02 does the glamo do 3D? Aug 30 14:17:06 rooly: you can make fun of it's lack of blu-ray or hd-dvd drive. I heard many games ported to the xbox are ripped-off to fit in a dvd Aug 30 14:17:09 sure, pabs Aug 30 14:17:13 * pabs3 wants neverball on the OM Aug 30 14:17:19 bah Aug 30 14:17:21 but only to the extent that windows doesn't crash Aug 30 14:17:22 :p Aug 30 14:17:25 it's getting there ;) Aug 30 14:17:28 it's a metaphor Aug 30 14:17:31 go go gadget accelerometers! Aug 30 14:17:31 powermanga! Aug 30 14:17:50 yeah let's make something wii-like Aug 30 14:17:59 nyu, it's hard Aug 30 14:18:07 since the screen moves all the time. Aug 30 14:18:10 I know. not my average weekend hack Aug 30 14:18:12 rooly: do the drivers implement accellerated 3D? Aug 30 14:18:17 no Aug 30 14:18:20 alright guys Aug 30 14:18:23 check the map! Aug 30 14:18:27 lafayette, LA Aug 30 14:18:33 pabs3: there's a chipset, but it's not documented Aug 30 14:18:33 come stalk me Aug 30 14:18:55 rooly: are you a pretty young girl? Aug 30 14:19:06 only on tuesdays Aug 30 14:19:10 nyu: ahyes, the manufacturers are not-so-nice, right? Aug 30 14:19:18 rooly: too bad, my stalking day is friday Aug 30 14:19:28 pabs3: I guess so Aug 30 14:19:48 pabs3: maybe they designed the whole thing and forgot people might actually want to use it Aug 30 14:19:59 pimpin'! Aug 30 14:20:00 heh, wouldn't surprise me Aug 30 14:20:10 ANYwho Aug 30 14:20:16 i'm not really throwing a party Aug 30 14:20:22 i'm going home Aug 30 14:20:25 board up windows Aug 30 14:20:26 buh bye Aug 30 14:20:29 bye Aug 30 14:20:35 I'm too far from LA anyway :-P Aug 30 14:20:36 if i don't come back, i'm in a better place... Aug 30 14:20:48 better than here? Aug 30 14:20:49 probably tennessee Aug 30 14:20:50 that's insulting Aug 30 14:21:08 Good luck rooly! Aug 30 14:21:21 thanks, gayjohn. gonna need it! Aug 30 14:21:33 yeehaw? Aug 30 14:24:07 *coff* *coff* my gps doesn't work... someone could help me please? Aug 30 14:24:24 -_- Aug 30 14:24:28 I don't know, do you want help? Aug 30 14:24:39 yes... Aug 30 14:24:43 What distribution are you running? Aug 30 14:24:50 om 2008.8 update Aug 30 14:24:56 Is gpsd installed? Aug 30 14:25:13 yes Aug 30 14:25:15 Dave, and there lies the sting. Aug 30 14:25:16 (I think) Aug 30 14:25:25 sylar91, did you install it? Aug 30 14:25:25 Is it running? Aug 30 14:25:34 hi. I need to import contacts in the FSO. Is it possible? Aug 30 14:25:46 yes, I installed but it seems to don't work Aug 30 14:25:49 admiral, I hear it's impossible to store contacts on the phone with fso. Aug 30 14:25:50 :( Aug 30 14:26:00 sylar, edit the config file Aug 30 14:26:04 I read somewhere you could use tangogps with googlemaps can't remember where now Aug 30 14:26:08 Dave:sim? Aug 30 14:26:11 done, I edited it Aug 30 14:26:30 but tangogps goes on saying NO GPS Aug 30 14:26:48 hipitihop: yep, on the wiki page it says how Aug 30 14:26:55 gpsd /dev/ttySAC1 Aug 30 14:27:06 make sure you edited it to run on the proper device Aug 30 14:27:09 I'm using tangogps with google maps and it runs (maps download runs) but I have a no gps error Aug 30 14:27:12 also make sure it's running! Aug 30 14:27:26 sylar, if tango says NO GPS it's because gpsd is not running! Aug 30 14:27:42 how can I see if it is running? Aug 30 14:28:00 ps aux | grep gpsd Aug 30 14:28:25 root@om-gta02:~# ps aux|grep gpsd Aug 30 14:28:26 nobody 1677 0.6 1.1 4208 1448 ? S root 3280 0.0 0.4 2752 588 pts/2 S+ 16:26 0:00 grep gpsd Aug 30 14:28:26 root@om-gta02:~# Aug 30 14:28:31 it's running Aug 30 14:28:36 tangogps should not complain then Aug 30 14:28:40 thought it might not have a fix yet :) Aug 30 14:29:13 no, I have the fix Aug 30 14:29:18 Then it works now? Aug 30 14:29:24 i'm sure Aug 30 14:29:27 no Aug 30 14:29:31 What!? Aug 30 14:29:31 does tangogps retain downloaded maps ? Aug 30 14:29:32 but I have the hardware fix Aug 30 14:29:40 yes Aug 30 14:29:51 hippityhop, sure, if you change the map store location to a non-volatile directory Aug 30 14:29:59 hippityhop, people like to store it on /media/card Aug 30 14:30:02 :) Aug 30 14:30:13 since there isn't sufficient storage on the phone's internal storage Aug 30 14:30:34 Dave, what can I do? an hour ago it runs but then I refleshed asu Aug 30 14:30:47 What!? Aug 30 14:30:50 just store everything in the hole in the casing ... plenty of space Aug 30 14:30:56 sylar, I cannot follow your logic. Aug 30 14:31:02 si ;p Aug 30 14:31:06 indeed Aug 30 14:31:07 sì? Aug 30 14:31:10 italiani? Aug 30 14:31:16 hahah no Aug 30 14:31:20 loool Aug 30 14:31:21 You speak Italia? Aug 30 14:31:23 io sì Aug 30 14:31:25 yes Aug 30 14:31:28 Italian... Aug 30 14:31:28 apt: summon cga Aug 30 14:31:29 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing cga's coordinates Aug 30 14:32:05 Dave, how could I use gps? an hour ago I tryed tangogps successfully Aug 30 14:32:13 and now it doesn't work? Aug 30 14:32:20 are you using 2008.8 or ASU!? Aug 30 14:32:25 What is going on!? Aug 30 14:32:32 he reflashed ASU Aug 30 14:32:38 Is ASU 2008.8 now? Aug 30 14:32:39 2008.08 update Aug 30 14:32:41 Who am I!? Aug 30 14:32:47 What's going on :P Aug 30 14:32:49 * johngay flashing (-= Aug 30 14:32:54 haha Aug 30 14:32:55 sorry, I use 2008.8 update Aug 30 14:32:57 john, this isn't that type of channel. Aug 30 14:33:01 Please keep it in your pants. Aug 30 14:33:02 :p Aug 30 14:33:09 lol Aug 30 14:33:26 SICU Aug 30 14:33:28 I knew it was you! Aug 30 14:33:33 hehe :p Aug 30 14:33:34 jajaja :D Aug 30 14:33:35 I've fetched 2008.8 and I'm flashing it now. Aug 30 14:34:11 cu totally disappeared on me .. kinda like being just si though ;) Aug 30 14:34:14 hvordan gÃ¥r det med min norske bestevenn? :] Aug 30 14:34:20 hehe Aug 30 14:34:21 how many FR has been sold out? just curious... Aug 30 14:34:25 The kernel was quick, the rootfs is slower. I'm assuming I don't need to update uboot. Aug 30 14:34:31 openfree, thousands Aug 30 14:34:40 johm, correct. Aug 30 14:34:43 dave: bare bra, takk! og med deg da? Aug 30 14:34:57 ^_^ Aug 30 14:35:04 apt: take a hike Aug 30 14:35:05 OK... I'll just follow bm over the edge! Aug 30 14:35:10 I thought there would be more than 10 thousands ... Aug 30 14:35:29 litt varmt her, er det ikke? ;p Aug 30 14:35:32 ehi, someone could help me please... ? gps problems...! Aug 30 14:35:34 In 2008.08 how can I control what happens when the AUX button is pressed? Aug 30 14:35:37 Dave, lol Aug 30 14:35:46 i understood that i think :P Aug 30 14:36:00 :o Aug 30 14:36:10 phrozen... snakker? :o Aug 30 14:36:15 that not Aug 30 14:36:16 :P Aug 30 14:36:24 -_- Aug 30 14:36:28 me neither :p Aug 30 14:36:42 -_-; Aug 30 14:36:58 hold kjeft, hestkuk! Aug 30 14:37:08 men her er det ikke varmt, norge ligger jo i peru eller chile Aug 30 14:37:18 ¬_¬ Aug 30 14:37:47 har du vært ute...? Aug 30 14:37:52 :[ Aug 30 14:37:52 dave check the pvt... Aug 30 14:37:57 ssh Aug 30 14:38:41 I'm going SIM shopping this afternoon. Gonna challenge AT&T and T-Mobile to beat each other for my business. Aug 30 14:38:47 hehe..var jo noen igår som nevnte at norge lå rett ved peru Aug 30 14:38:55 ;p Aug 30 14:38:57 ENGLISH KTHX Aug 30 14:39:01 :) Aug 30 14:39:15 det er helt klamt her here ~_~ Aug 30 14:39:17 what language is kthx Aug 30 14:39:24 NYU ASDF Aug 30 14:39:26 * phrozen77 spanks nyu Aug 30 14:39:30 :D Aug 30 14:39:35 ow wait Aug 30 14:39:37 I love spanking Aug 30 14:39:37 he might like that Aug 30 14:39:38 :O Aug 30 14:39:41 there we go Aug 30 14:39:43 -_- Aug 30 14:39:43 * johngay snaps pics of the spanking. Aug 30 14:39:44 more please Aug 30 14:39:59 nyu, liker du Ã¥ suge ogsÃ¥? ;p Aug 30 14:39:59 only if you say "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" after each Aug 30 14:40:12 haha, will try the english, seems to be a rude language though Aug 30 14:40:16 XD Aug 30 14:40:16 talk-like-a-pirate-spank Aug 30 14:40:17 Dave: no entenc què t'empatolles :-P Aug 30 14:40:34 fittegrubbe! Aug 30 14:40:41 oO Aug 30 14:40:44 hehe Aug 30 14:40:57 point taken Aug 30 14:41:08 * phrozen77 goatse's Dave - (_O_) Aug 30 14:41:39 * sicu is scarred for life for having witnessed the deep abyss Aug 30 14:41:43 lmao Aug 30 14:41:56 the pit of eternal peril? Aug 30 14:42:15 sicu, do you know meatspin? =) Aug 30 14:42:32 add a .com after that to get to know it Aug 30 14:42:33 :P Aug 30 14:42:45 disclaimer: not responsible for anything! Aug 30 14:42:48 unfamiliar with that one...care to explain? Aug 30 14:42:53 watch it Aug 30 14:43:36 ah, sorry. it was the gorge of eternal peril Aug 30 14:44:10 sicu :D Aug 30 14:44:20 one thing i want to confirm, u-boot doesn't support load kernel image from "ext3" type partition? Aug 30 14:44:26 * sicu is gonna need a few moments to recover Aug 30 14:44:31 lol Aug 30 14:44:32 :( Aug 30 14:44:57 probably he wants to sit through a few more spins... Aug 30 14:45:06 lol...shut it Aug 30 14:45:07 Øp Aug 30 14:45:08 lol Aug 30 14:45:09 :p Aug 30 14:45:44 huh? Aug 30 14:45:46 in related news, i love the xkcd x girls y cup comic Aug 30 14:45:58 o_O Aug 30 14:46:07 Does 2008.8 know where to update from, or will I need to edit something before upgrading? Aug 30 14:46:17 hm Aug 30 14:46:24 afaik 2008.8 isnt supposed to be updated? Aug 30 14:46:28 or am i mistaken? Aug 30 14:46:38 sure it is Aug 30 14:46:41 just NOT from buildhost! Aug 30 14:46:41 ok Aug 30 14:46:48 or you will be DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED Aug 30 14:46:48 oh ok, that was that then Aug 30 14:47:00 like if you're using qtopia and you update from buildhost Aug 30 14:47:05 you're fucked :D Aug 30 14:47:31 phrozen77: yeh, cool comic Aug 30 14:47:53 That's why I asked. Do I need to edit something, or is it pointed at the right directories already. Aug 30 14:47:53 http://xkcd.com/467/ Aug 30 14:47:54 ^^ Aug 30 14:48:15 johngay, no idea, i removed it too soon to elaborate about that Aug 30 14:48:20 phrozen77: lol Aug 30 14:48:24 Openfree: 1) git clone git://git.denx.de/u-boot.git 2) grep -r ext2 uboot* Aug 30 14:49:48 comics? Aug 30 14:50:52 flashing done, now booting. Aug 30 14:51:11 Very, very slow. Aug 30 14:52:04 who's slow? dave? Aug 30 14:52:09 >:O Aug 30 14:52:15 lindi-, hey, i'm asking ext3, but u tell me ext2... Aug 30 14:52:19 2008.8 Aug 30 14:52:23 du er gærn! Aug 30 14:52:31 heh, vet Aug 30 14:52:35 snakker du til meg? Aug 30 14:52:36 Openfree: ext2 driver can always read ext3 fs Aug 30 14:52:38 >:) Aug 30 14:52:51 lindi-, i thouhgt, those would be different. Aug 30 14:52:57 Forbanna drit! Aug 30 14:52:59 Openfree: you thought wrong :) Aug 30 14:53:07 ext3 is ext2 with an extra file - the journal file. Aug 30 14:53:09 Basically Aug 30 14:53:10 Openfree: ext3 is just ext2 with .. Aug 30 14:53:14 ShellEvil was faster :) Aug 30 14:53:27 And a bit set in the superblock. Aug 30 14:53:36 lindi-, but i've tried , can't read from ext3, maybe my fault Aug 30 14:53:41 _-_ Aug 30 14:53:47 ShellEvil: and more buggy drivers :) Aug 30 14:54:53 ShellEvil: according to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10871 Aug 30 14:55:23 Openfree: you probably need to update u-boot Aug 30 14:56:18 And, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card, doesn't give an example, which can read kernel image from ext3, just wondering Aug 30 14:56:33 pabs3, i will check my u-boot .. Aug 30 14:57:34 pabs3, ok, i'm using Andy's git branch, and the lastest commit is Aug 6 Aug 30 14:57:42 I would not use ext3 on flash media... Aug 30 14:57:56 how do I get rid of the echo that my friends hear when they call my freerunner? Aug 30 14:58:11 Wonka, have better choise? Aug 30 14:58:17 Openfree: ext2 Aug 30 14:58:32 Openfree: basically, any journalling fs must be bad for the flash Aug 30 14:58:53 ext3 only journals the metadata per def, and the cards are supposed to be wear-leveling Aug 30 14:59:06 sure, it will decrease the life a bit Aug 30 14:59:07 * CM checks out how logfs is doing Aug 30 14:59:23 davefs is where it's at baby Aug 30 14:59:31 it doesn't kill your spouse for you though, sorry : Aug 30 14:59:32 :P Aug 30 14:59:40 FIX for echo issue with patch and new package in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 ! , Much better then before! Had to downgrade for Om2008.8 from 39.1 to r38.05.. and contacts stored on sim is not showing now :( , Regression! Do I have to compile a new packet myself.. Aug 30 14:59:41 * sicu puts the FR hole to good use and sends the FR bungee jumping just to give the gps altimeter a tickle Aug 30 14:59:47 a different question is if it'll still wear out before you toss the card for the 128 gig model anyway Aug 30 15:00:13 mjr - hot Aug 30 15:00:24 ...for the 128gig model in the GTA05, yes... Aug 30 15:00:25 sicu, it's not meant for a real carribeaner! Aug 30 15:00:34 ONE MILLION JIGGABYTES! Aug 30 15:01:08 TeLLuS: you better incldue the version of packages you want instead of reflashing the whole phone? Aug 30 15:02:42 ehi dave Aug 30 15:03:11 thanks for your support! Aug 30 15:03:34 Sure :) Aug 30 15:05:17 lindi-: Is your question if you have to reflash or just install the package? I don't know what you have.. I started by by flashing Om2008.8-update when I got it.. and right now I think it's better to not run opkg upgrade after the flashing.. Aug 30 15:05:57 hmm, wonder if i could scrap my wacom tablet and use the FR instead Aug 30 15:06:09 the wacom is probably a tad more precise Aug 30 15:06:32 sicu, hehe same here Aug 30 15:06:37 as long as it's just a tad ;) Aug 30 15:06:38 was thinking about drawing using the moko ;) Aug 30 15:07:13 have anyone tried modding the fr case? Aug 30 15:07:31 no Aug 30 15:07:38 that's sad Aug 30 15:07:41 because wacom sucks Aug 30 15:07:48 are you a drawer? Aug 30 15:08:03 For any who do draw, would you like to draw we me sometime? :) Aug 30 15:08:20 i don't really draw Aug 30 15:08:25 though i try sometimes :) Aug 30 15:08:44 started to try only lately though. Aug 30 15:09:35 dave: sure you have, why else would you drop the FR from 1.3m onto concrete if not to get the case opened and ready for mod'ing ^^ Aug 30 15:10:12 I used a vise, thank you! Aug 30 15:10:16 vice Aug 30 15:10:23 ah, nice =) Aug 30 15:10:26 tasn, on computer? Aug 30 15:10:40 sicu, I don't personally build the mounts and whatnot for the freerunner Aug 30 15:10:44 but I design them Aug 30 15:10:47 :) Aug 30 15:10:55 the guys downstairs fabricate stuff for us :) Aug 30 15:11:07 what did you design? Aug 30 15:11:10 cool =) Aug 30 15:11:13 I'm sure it beats that 10-year-old chinese child work Aug 30 15:11:20 tasn a mobile freerunner mount Aug 30 15:11:23 for car/bike Aug 30 15:11:32 pics? Aug 30 15:11:34 so even if you get a in a crash, it won't fly out Aug 30 15:11:38 I will next week Aug 30 15:11:39 i don't do much drawing, but use the tablet for sculpting and stuff in mudbox/zbrush Aug 30 15:11:41 I'm not in the lab now :P Aug 30 15:11:49 sicu, ah Aug 30 15:11:59 either of you want to draw or scribble some things with me? :) Aug 30 15:12:03 I miss doing that. Aug 30 15:13:03 yeh, i kinda got hooked on iSketch a while back ... would be cool using the FR as input =) Aug 30 15:13:07 i can (with your assistance) draw a big square Aug 30 15:13:39 ;o Aug 30 15:13:45 Tasn, cool Aug 30 15:13:46 want to play? Aug 30 15:13:53 not with my crosseyed assistance, might be square-ish though :p Aug 30 15:14:12 play what? Aug 30 15:14:26 no time for games though Aug 30 15:14:42 got to study, so i will have time to play with the fr when it comes :) Aug 30 15:14:59 it's labor weekend, which delays the arrival of my sweet moko ;( Aug 30 15:15:07 FR is no play, it's hard work :p Aug 30 15:15:14 :\ Aug 30 15:15:22 sicu, i think you are wrong. Aug 30 15:15:23 ;) Aug 30 15:15:24 no, play drawing with me Aug 30 15:15:33 HE IS! Aug 30 15:15:37 how would we play drawing ? Aug 30 15:15:38 s/think/sure/ Aug 30 15:15:43 collaborative online doodling? Aug 30 15:15:46 scribbles Aug 30 15:15:50 it's fun Aug 30 15:15:54 HI, everybody. I just got a Neo Freerunner with 2007.2 and can not place calls. It says connecting and then the screen just disappears it goes back to previous screen. Has anyone else experienced/heard of a problem like that? Aug 30 15:16:06 i'll play Aug 30 15:16:12 nrnickolov, did you insert a sim card? Aug 30 15:16:13 ;0 Aug 30 15:16:14 sicu, du er en skitten nordmann :p Aug 30 15:16:18 I did Aug 30 15:16:19 haha :p Aug 30 15:16:19 but okay ;) Aug 30 15:16:20 j/k Aug 30 15:16:21 :D Aug 30 15:16:30 well im off again. Aug 30 15:16:33 okay Aug 30 15:16:38 wish my moko a safe trip. Aug 30 15:16:38 sicu, let's draw! Aug 30 15:16:42 tasn, okay! Aug 30 15:16:57 tasn, where's it going? Aug 30 15:17:36 it's currently at the hands Aug 30 15:17:42 of my uncles PA in the us Aug 30 15:17:58 which is supposed to ship it to my uncle in france Aug 30 15:18:05 which supposed to bring it to me. Aug 30 15:18:06 ;0 Aug 30 15:18:10 dave: how? and it'll only be touchpad doodling for my part :p Aug 30 15:18:12 which is Aug 30 15:18:14 Actually I've tried a number of different sim cards. having the same problem Aug 30 15:18:29 sicu ONLINE APPLICATIONZ Aug 30 15:18:33 SUPER COOL Aug 30 15:18:36 like wow! Aug 30 15:18:41 im really gone. Aug 30 15:18:48 TASN what what? Aug 30 15:18:53 fine :( Aug 30 15:18:54 what what? Aug 30 15:18:59 Is it going to PA or France? Aug 30 15:19:00 haha Aug 30 15:19:01 I am confused. Aug 30 15:19:07 the PA has it now Aug 30 15:19:14 Pennsylvania? Aug 30 15:19:17 though it's labor weekend Aug 30 15:19:19 NJ Aug 30 15:19:22 Really? Aug 30 15:19:26 Want me to pick it up? Aug 30 15:19:36 so she will ship it to france at tuesday. Aug 30 15:19:43 You're in the France? :O Aug 30 15:19:45 Dave, no need, she will do it :) Aug 30 15:19:49 Dave, no Aug 30 15:19:51 my uncle is. Aug 30 15:19:54 o.O Aug 30 15:19:55 im in israel Aug 30 15:19:57 Where are you? Aug 30 15:19:58 i'm confused too Aug 30 15:19:59 oh :O Aug 30 15:20:02 yeah, haha Aug 30 15:20:05 waiting for him to bring it here Aug 30 15:20:06 weirdo :P Aug 30 15:20:09 OH, freaky Aug 30 15:20:14 good idea Aug 30 15:20:19 since the stupid communication office Aug 30 15:20:22 import tax in yisreal is crazy! Aug 30 15:20:27 doesn't approve the moko Aug 30 15:20:29 ~_~ Aug 30 15:20:29 STOP DOING THAT! Aug 30 15:20:30 oh haha Aug 30 15:20:33 it's a terrorist device! Aug 30 15:20:34 :D Aug 30 15:20:34 and yeah, there's the income tax. Aug 30 15:20:38 :D Aug 30 15:20:41 okay Aug 30 15:20:52 anyhoo, let me know who's shipping your freerunner out of the US Aug 30 15:21:00 friend? Aug 30 15:21:05 Dave, they demand some sort of esoteric certificates. Aug 30 15:21:11 Dave, no, my uncles PA Aug 30 15:21:16 so it's being sent from france to your dads PA in US and from there to isreal ... hmmm Aug 30 15:21:16 she is in the states. Aug 30 15:21:16 Tasn, too bad you can't gps log your freerunner's trip to you XD Aug 30 15:21:23 it sounds like a pretty amazing trip :P Aug 30 15:21:42 your uncle is a she? Aug 30 15:21:48 haha Aug 30 15:21:49 bah! Aug 30 15:21:54 PA = female, US Aug 30 15:21:55 * Dave falls out of his chair Aug 30 15:22:01 What what? Aug 30 15:22:03 hahahaha Aug 30 15:22:05 uncle = male, france Aug 30 15:22:11 TAsn = male, israel Aug 30 15:22:12 o_O Aug 30 15:22:13 :) Aug 30 15:22:14 rofl!? Aug 30 15:22:25 anyway, is your uncle hot? Aug 30 15:22:29 the female one that lives in the US? Aug 30 15:22:38 ;] Aug 30 15:22:45 * Dave dies of laughter Aug 30 15:23:15 spdr_, unleash you fury, assault Dave. Aug 30 15:23:15 ;0 Aug 30 15:23:24 Dave, you are a gonner. Aug 30 15:23:27 :) Aug 30 15:23:38 *your fury Aug 30 15:23:52 cya, for real. Aug 30 15:24:09 apt: assault dave Aug 30 15:24:10 * apt hits dave in the mouth with an iron bar Aug 30 15:24:14 ops Aug 30 15:24:35 that wasn't a command, just a suggestion Aug 30 15:24:52 :D Aug 30 15:25:07 ~fish sicu Aug 30 15:25:08 * apt slaps sicu around with a large trout Aug 30 15:25:11 :D Aug 30 15:25:40 ~beer sicu Aug 30 15:25:41 * apt pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for sicu Aug 30 15:25:47 ~trout apt Aug 30 15:25:48 * apt slaps apt around a bit with a large trout! Aug 30 15:25:52 haha, stupid bot. Aug 30 15:26:02 gee .. that was worth the trout =D Aug 30 15:26:09 :D Aug 30 15:26:14 good show, eh? Aug 30 15:27:04 ~neo CM Aug 30 15:27:17 hmmm ... must've been too heavy :p Aug 30 15:27:48 Hehe Aug 30 15:27:56 ~cookie sicu Aug 30 15:27:59 * apt spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... Aug 30 15:28:25 haha Aug 30 15:28:26 apt: You suck Aug 30 15:28:27 and very well I might add Aug 30 15:28:31 lol Aug 30 15:28:32 ;D Aug 30 15:28:34 That was bad.. Aug 30 15:28:35 damn right! Aug 30 15:28:39 she's my bitch. Aug 30 15:28:44 do someone here have a working gsmhandset.state for neo freerunner without any echo? Aug 30 15:29:00 doubtful Aug 30 15:29:09 sicu, can we draw? :) Aug 30 15:29:19 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 Aug 30 15:30:00 dave: show me where and i'll draw Aug 30 15:30:06 :D! Aug 30 15:30:35 i might add that my touchpad drawingskills are out of this world Aug 30 15:30:35 hossi: That ticket sicu linked to was for you, if you didn't notice Aug 30 15:32:11 CM: thx, thought i preceeded with a nick Aug 30 15:32:41 dave: *waiting* Aug 30 15:39:23 tyeah yeah Aug 30 15:41:50 OK, I'm starting to actively HATE 2008.8 Aug 30 15:42:24 johngay: already? :p Aug 30 15:42:37 YES Aug 30 15:42:42 LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU... Aug 30 15:42:51 >:) Aug 30 15:43:06 The phone keeps powering off and droppy PuTTY Aug 30 15:43:30 johngay: disable autosuspend Aug 30 15:43:39 johngay: go into the configuration applet and turn off powersavinhg Aug 30 15:43:49 Tried that. Still does it. Aug 30 15:44:24 Took me 5 attempts to install illume-config Aug 30 15:44:35 saw some reports of that on the mailing list Aug 30 15:45:07 http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ is down, is there a mirror? Or where do I have to go and get qtopia 4.3.2? Aug 30 15:45:52 windows broken; please use door Aug 30 15:45:53 johngay: Are you using networking though usb? Aug 30 15:47:27 Yes. Aug 30 15:47:51 hmm just running opkg update and I think it is updating every package installed :) Aug 30 15:48:04 I have to keep touching the screen to keep it from shutting down all the time )-= Aug 30 15:48:32 CHANGE YOUR POWAR SETTINGS Aug 30 15:48:48 It doens't shutdown, it go into suspent. For bringing it back, just hit the power button, it will be back in 2 sec Aug 30 15:48:54 Tig|: It worked better before this update.. Aug 30 15:49:03 nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Aug 30 15:49:12 don't tell me that now :) Aug 30 15:49:18 Tig|: Sorry.. :/ Aug 30 15:49:42 heh, well I have not got anything special on here yet if I need to reflash it Aug 30 15:50:16 Is qtopia.net offline? Aug 30 15:51:11 except it drops PuTTY. Aug 30 15:51:13 Tig|: Just small issues.. If you can check if you can see the contacts on the sim after the update? I'm not sure it was the update that made it.. Aug 30 15:51:45 I've turned suppend off in settings, doesn't change anything Aug 30 15:51:57 TeLLuS: well when I flashed to this version my sim contacts were automatically imported Aug 30 15:52:01 Tig|: Maybe also a suspend issue, have not tested that one. It's running steady here.. Aug 30 15:52:25 Where is the power setting in 2008.8??? Aug 30 15:52:29 running raster's version here :) Aug 30 15:52:52 dolf1074: no, but it's really hard to reach Aug 30 15:52:58 re Aug 30 15:53:01 johngay: on the main screen there is a settings application Aug 30 15:53:15 how do I disable the suspend feature in 2008.8, I've disabled it through the settings ui, bit it still suspends every 30 seconds or so Aug 30 15:53:16 There are no power settings except the suspend time (0 sec, 10 sec, 30 sec, 60 sec) Aug 30 15:53:17 Has suppend, which does nothing. Aug 30 15:53:31 rut roh Aug 30 15:54:42 hello Aug 30 15:54:58 hello white_gecko, anything stick to the wall lately? Aug 30 15:55:00 which filesystems are supported by the 2008.8 kernel? Aug 30 15:55:01 Is there any NX-client for this one? Aug 30 15:55:02 So 2008.8 is just completely borked??? Aug 30 15:55:45 Can someone point me to some Qtopia user documentation? Like how to use the handwriting recognition and other input methods? Aug 30 15:56:04 white_gecko: cat /proc/filesystems Aug 30 15:56:41 hm Aug 30 15:56:49 johngay: Suspend was working fine yesterday.. in Om2008.8(update), Can test it a bit now.. Aug 30 15:57:11 updated and working fine here Aug 30 15:57:30 johngay: are you using stable or testing? Aug 30 15:58:11 Staticwave_Ace: I'm having the same issues with a fresh install of om2008.8-update Aug 30 15:58:22 hrm Aug 30 15:58:24 I flashed mine today from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Aug 30 15:58:26 try raster -> update? Aug 30 15:58:38 johngay: For going back on the network problem and putty that's stops. Have you already done everything that stands under Networking on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8? Aug 30 15:59:17 johngay: It helped me for getting a good internet connection that doesn't stop with working after x minutes Aug 30 15:59:25 Suspend is off, but the phone still goes blank and PuTTY halts after about 10 seconds. Aug 30 15:59:57 I get good Internet via wifi. Aug 30 16:00:20 I only use PuTTY because there's no terminal. Aug 30 16:01:25 hm Aug 30 16:01:29 If the phone goes blank, it's suspend thats handling Aug 30 16:01:31 johngay: Mine is the opposite, it will not suspend now.. Also Om2008.8(update) after the large opkg upgrade today.. Do you have two default gateways if you run route -n ? Aug 30 16:01:34 anyone knows how to turn on caller id on qtopia? Aug 30 16:03:07 opkg upgrade does nothing. Aug 30 16:03:44 johngay: did you run opkg update first? Aug 30 16:03:51 Of course. Aug 30 16:06:08 what are the header packages of the kernel ? Aug 30 16:06:54 IF ONLY THERE WAS ONE! Aug 30 16:07:07 I should make one, and get them to merge it into buildhost. Aug 30 16:07:20 ernst, I had to download the kernel source from kernel.org :[ Aug 30 16:07:46 Tanuva: thankyou Aug 30 16:08:06 O.K. 2008.8 is officially BANNED from my phone. Aug 30 16:08:21 What's next? Aug 30 16:08:27 \o/ Aug 30 16:08:30 2007.2? Aug 30 16:08:37 works great, even late! Aug 30 16:09:00 Did that. I was hoping for something that had a future. Aug 30 16:09:21 i installed FSO daily build... Aug 30 16:09:23 wow Aug 30 16:09:43 fuck you Aug 30 16:09:50 admiral, how'd it go? Aug 30 16:09:51 oh no Aug 30 16:09:57 minimal explosions? Aug 30 16:10:02 ernst, OH YES Aug 30 16:10:21 Dave, zhone rocks Aug 30 16:10:38 and yes i have the wrench, and illume kbd Aug 30 16:10:53 haha Aug 30 16:10:55 :) Aug 30 16:11:25 :D Aug 30 16:11:49 now i need the api docs of the FSO Aug 30 16:12:08 hah Aug 30 16:12:12 Enjoy Aug 30 16:12:20 where can i get something useful? Aug 30 16:12:53 no.... same resolv.conf bug Aug 30 16:13:48 BUG Aug 30 16:13:50 you're bugged. Aug 30 16:14:51 So, since 2008.8 is buggered, I guess 2007.2 is my only option??? Aug 30 16:15:01 FSO, qtopia Aug 30 16:15:31 bbq? Aug 30 16:15:39 Automatic DNS from dhcp work well with Om2008.8 anyway.. I tested with Open and WPA wifi. Aug 30 16:15:58 dave: bbbq, the extra b stands for byobb Aug 30 16:16:02 fucking iPhone is a jail ;P Aug 30 16:16:06 bah Aug 30 16:16:14 with my setting Aug 30 16:16:15 chillywilly: jailbreak Aug 30 16:16:16 I thought FSO wasn't even close to working. And considering they think 2008.8 works, I don't even want to try something they think doesn't work. Aug 30 16:16:24 Staticwave_Ace: seems like a pain in the ass Aug 30 16:16:40 Staticwave_Ace: I am hoping I can get a SIM that works in both phones Aug 30 16:17:07 chillywilly: http://www.appleiphonereview.com/iphone-tutorials/iphone-jailbreak/ Aug 30 16:17:36 I have no windows or mac to use the iTunes backup "feature" Aug 30 16:17:38 Yea, til Apple bricks it with an automagic update again. Aug 30 16:17:45 suppose I'd have to get it working in WINE Aug 30 16:17:47 ? Aug 30 16:17:51 I suppose Aug 30 16:17:57 johngay: I'm using FSO Aug 30 16:18:08 It's not completely stable, but works ok on my GTA01 Aug 30 16:18:13 I don't want to run windows or Mac either Aug 30 16:18:20 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r83ec4b40a284 10/odeviced/recipes/odeviced_git.bb: Add libnl to DEPENDS Aug 30 16:18:23 OSX, whatever you want to call it ;) Aug 30 16:18:30 shackled 1.0 Aug 30 16:18:34 CM: any API documentation of what is implemented? Aug 30 16:18:46 kiss your freedom goodbye and suck on the apple teet Aug 30 16:18:49 the wiki thing is not so well done Aug 30 16:18:54 admiral0: Not sure, but mickey|zzZZzz knows Aug 30 16:18:59 I think I am having buyer's remorse ;) Aug 30 16:19:01 But does it work as a phone? Aug 30 16:19:03 admiral0: isn't dbus supposed to be self documenting or somesuch Aug 30 16:19:27 lol Aug 30 16:19:31 I guess I am just not the typical stupid user and want more out of a mobile device Aug 30 16:19:34 Staticwave_Ace: ?? Aug 30 16:19:40 it seems that when the battery is deep discharged the phone uses an other uboot Aug 30 16:19:46 admiral0: FSO info at http://www.freesmartphone.org Aug 30 16:19:55 wah Aug 30 16:20:14 i get python error "ImportError: No module named optparse" which python package do i have to install Aug 30 16:20:30 admiral0: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials Aug 30 16:20:52 admiral0: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Specifications Aug 30 16:20:52 i can't find a optparse package in repository Aug 30 16:21:00 CM: i know but APIs differ as i saw Aug 30 16:21:01 Well, I'm gonna flash back to 2007.2 for now. Aug 30 16:21:09 Ah, ok Aug 30 16:21:20 It's changing so fast now I guess Aug 30 16:22:15 At least I can use term there and wifi is fine. Guess I'll see how the phone side works when I get a SIM tonite. Aug 30 16:23:35 sorry... kwin hung Aug 30 16:24:31 Kung Foo Fightin? Aug 30 16:24:47 Staticwave_Ace: that one's a typo ;) Aug 30 16:24:49 :) Aug 30 16:25:49 * johngay flashing . . . again. Aug 30 16:26:10 i feel like installing pydev and making a new app for the FSO Aug 30 16:26:27 is it acceptable for .desktop launchers to wait untill the app has finished? Aug 30 16:26:32 Guess 2008.8 isn't ready for me. Aug 30 16:26:42 I created a desktop launcher, but the WM will only execute it once Aug 30 16:26:51 nyu, huh? Aug 30 16:26:55 yeah Aug 30 16:26:57 I hope so! Aug 30 16:26:57 afterwards, it won't run it again untill a reboot Aug 30 16:27:00 nyu, not all do! Aug 30 16:27:01 johngay: have your try the raster image? (ilume) Aug 30 16:27:03 wtf? Aug 30 16:27:09 Dave: explain please? Aug 30 16:27:12 Are you talking like mutexes, or what? Aug 30 16:27:20 Dave: no, it's not reentrant Aug 30 16:27:21 nyu, you mean it will only execute it once, ever!? Aug 30 16:27:26 oh Aug 30 16:27:32 Dave: the script mounts stuff, runs wesnoth, waits, umounts stuff Aug 30 16:27:36 AH Aug 30 16:27:37 heh Aug 30 16:27:40 I see, I see Aug 30 16:27:42 Dave: and after that, it WON'T run again Aug 30 16:27:44 until it exits you're saying Aug 30 16:27:53 and therefore it never exits/ relaunches? Aug 30 16:27:57 dave, is there a fsck for ext3 in the repos? Aug 30 16:27:57 Dave: no, _after_ the whole thing, the UI won't relaunch Aug 30 16:28:24 phrozen, sure Aug 30 16:28:30 I have it installed, so must be :) Aug 30 16:28:35 nyu, wtf? Aug 30 16:28:35 pkgname? Aug 30 16:28:38 very odd Aug 30 16:28:45 phrozen, no idea, use search? Aug 30 16:28:59 maybe I should use fstab Aug 30 16:29:04 but that had its own problem Aug 30 16:29:07 probably utils-linux or something Aug 30 16:29:13 /dev and /proc were mounted, but /tmp isn't Aug 30 16:29:17 it's provided by e2fsprogs-e2fsck Aug 30 16:29:22 sounds like some race, but it doesn't make sense Aug 30 16:29:25 according to opkg Aug 30 16:29:35 nyu, maybe I can look into it a bit more later Aug 30 16:29:41 I'm busy at the moment Aug 30 16:29:43 alx, no, if suspend isn't working, what can rasters keyboard do about that??? Aug 30 16:29:53 sure Aug 30 16:29:56 :D Aug 30 16:30:01 I look forward to it! Aug 30 16:30:12 Hey, it might mean I get to play a game in the process, right? :P Aug 30 16:30:20 maybe ;-) Aug 30 16:30:54 johngay: Have some days old Om2008.8 flash image with working suspend if you want it.. Aug 30 16:31:24 :D Aug 30 16:32:42 Well, I've got a lot of 'tasks' from the wife, so I don't have time to play )-= Aug 30 16:33:16 haha Aug 30 16:33:33 But I didn't like the look of 2008 anyway. Aug 30 16:33:57 yeah, it's pretty fuglay Aug 30 16:34:33 I want something I can use. 2007 seems much more useable ATM. Aug 30 16:36:05 Not to mention, it took over 3 times as long to boot. Not very impressive when it keeps shutting down all the time. Aug 30 16:36:40 Are the GPS kernel fixes available for 2007.2? Aug 30 16:37:00 YES Aug 30 16:37:03 all of them Aug 30 16:37:42 So I just need to opkg update && opkg upgrade and I can use GPS with an SD card. Aug 30 16:37:59 sure, why not? Aug 30 16:38:03 you always could Aug 30 16:38:08 it just didn't work as well, initially Aug 30 16:38:11 TTFF Aug 30 16:38:24 yes, this SIM works in my freerunner :))) Aug 30 16:38:32 All it does is fuck with the io so it doesn't interfere (as much) with the GPS getting an initial fix Aug 30 16:38:37 nice going, chilly! :D Aug 30 16:38:48 I have freedom :) Aug 30 16:38:51 Hooray! Aug 30 16:38:54 * Dave high-fives chillywily Aug 30 16:38:59 Dave, do you have debian installed already? Aug 30 16:39:12 nope Aug 30 16:39:17 I should though, right? :P Aug 30 16:39:21 lol Aug 30 16:39:27 yeah, so i can bug you even more ; Aug 30 16:39:28 :) Aug 30 16:39:33 I'll probably install debian on a couple of mine, when I get more time. Aug 30 16:39:35 oh gee, thanks :P Aug 30 16:39:44 a couple?! Aug 30 16:39:48 yeah Aug 30 16:39:48 you got more than one ? Aug 30 16:39:52 yeah, I have many Aug 30 16:40:06 Share! ;) Aug 30 16:40:10 bastard Aug 30 16:40:11 btw Aug 30 16:40:18 Share and Enjoy! Aug 30 16:40:23 at least when calling with qtopia i get echoes and whatnot Aug 30 16:40:25 normal? Aug 30 16:41:05 Do you? Aug 30 16:41:30 As far as I know it's more of a hardware problem than anything else, and many crappy software workarounds are being devised. Aug 30 16:41:43 I'm not sure what all else is involved, as I am not working on that specific issue. Aug 30 16:42:11 phrozen77_: Fix for echo issue with patch and new package in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 ! , Much better then before! Aug 30 16:43:32 TeLLuS, so fiddling with the mixer will solve it? Aug 30 16:44:26 state files Aug 30 16:44:27 phrozen77_: That patch is not fiddeling with the mixer.. It's sending a AT command to the GSM modem.. Don't think that package is for qtopia, but you can probably apply the patch somewhere.. Aug 30 16:44:36 right Aug 30 16:44:36 ok, thanks Aug 30 16:45:27 phrozen77_: There is some previous fiddling, ignore that.. Aug 30 16:47:37 Die Deutschen! Aug 30 16:48:52 I really wanted to like 2008.8, too )-= Aug 30 16:49:17 no idea why Aug 30 16:49:27 it's still crappy as far as I know Aug 30 16:49:33 I like QT. Aug 30 16:49:42 then why aren't you running Qtopia? Aug 30 16:49:59 I don't like framebuffer. Aug 30 16:50:38 is it legal it copy ideas based on the android winner apps? Aug 30 16:50:41 I prefer X. Especially movies rated such. Aug 30 16:51:25 it would be great to push for similarities between platform, and maybe easier to get more devs on openmoko once the framework is stable? Aug 30 16:52:55 uhm Aug 30 16:53:11 how can i make the dialog that asks me for the pin when registering with gsm popup again? Aug 30 16:54:10 phrozen77_: maybe it's still on the top menu? Aug 30 16:54:13 restarting gsmd doesnt work.. Aug 30 16:54:21 alx____, doesnt seem like Aug 30 16:54:27 it says registering though Aug 30 16:54:32 but without pin .. Aug 30 16:54:58 So? Aug 30 16:55:05 Phrozen, search the wiki Aug 30 16:55:06 it's there Aug 30 16:55:10 oh ok Aug 30 16:55:12 Forcing the PIN dialog Aug 30 16:59:33 f......... Aug 30 17:00:33 neither google nor the wiki search turn anything useful up Aug 30 17:02:02 phrozen77_ has no google'fu Aug 30 17:02:09 FUCK YOU KTHX Aug 30 17:05:38 swc|666 has no people skillz Aug 30 17:12:41 phrozen77_: there is some info and suggestions here http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1798 hth :) Aug 30 17:23:25 nyu: i have plenty of people skills... and i call it like i see it Aug 30 17:25:04 swc|666: if you get serious, the joke stops being fun :-P Aug 30 17:34:08 [Bug] #1928: Settings don't change the suspend time ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 ) Aug 30 17:37:17 "I guess I'm just lucky that mine was configured for "no suspend" when I did the upgrade." That explain why we see different effects... Aug 30 17:50:37 OK. timesheet and to both fail because they can't load libtododb.so.0 Any ideas where they are? Aug 30 17:54:04 I installed libtododb, but I still get the same error. Aug 30 18:05:21 Now I really, really like 2007.2 Aug 30 18:05:56 Guess I need to start figuring out how this stuff works. Aug 30 18:07:16 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1d272fcb351e 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (idlenotifier/idlenotifier-helpers.c input/input.vala): Aug 30 18:07:16 freesmartphone.org: Fix a leak in idlenotifier. Aug 30 18:07:17 freesmartphone.org: Input: remove duplicate activations of process_uevent idle function Aug 30 18:16:24 hey, does 2008.8 work on gta01 yet? Aug 30 18:17:21 From what I saw, it doesn't even work on the FreeRunner yet. Aug 30 18:18:21 ? sucktown Aug 30 18:18:24 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcc894ab6b84a 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add a couple of missing .vapi's Aug 30 18:19:07 how about the debian fso-pkg install on a gta01? Aug 30 18:19:07 Suspend kept cutting in, even when I tried to turn if off and PuTTY dies each time. Aug 30 18:20:15 But this was my first attempt at anything but 2007.2 Aug 30 18:22:30 johngay: Suspend.. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 Aug 30 18:23:12 Saw that. But I'll wait to see if it settles down into something more useful first. ATM it's too unstable for me. Aug 30 18:34:46 jadams! Aug 30 18:35:01 :) Aug 30 18:35:41 jadams! my main man Aug 30 18:35:46 or secondary woman Aug 30 18:36:23 :D Aug 30 18:36:44 I would think he's be far beyond tertiary, but hey, it be hard to keep track of dem hos Aug 30 18:37:15 yeah, "the numbers are rising", they said it on the news yesterday Aug 30 18:39:47 I love my openmoko :D Aug 30 18:40:38 but is the love mutual? Aug 30 18:41:23 we'll see, it's a nice child to watch growing, thanks to you all :) Aug 30 18:41:37 Zorkman, hey! Aug 30 18:41:42 Dave: I know you? Aug 30 18:42:15 Dave is a phenomenon, sooner or later you will learn about him :) Aug 30 18:43:10 I really cannot seem to ever wake up my FR from suspend... Aug 30 18:43:21 short click on power button is meant to do it in 2008.8, or? Aug 30 18:43:28 jup Aug 30 18:47:04 :) Aug 30 18:47:08 I AM DAVE Aug 30 18:47:15 who cares Aug 30 18:47:43 Evidently not you. Aug 30 18:47:52 Why would you, you're a Virus. Aug 30 18:48:04 Stupid Virus, go infect somebody else :P Aug 30 18:49:20 :( Aug 30 18:49:45 I've just done an opkg upgrade on raster imge, and I've lost the nicest keyboard.... any way to get it back? Aug 30 18:51:38 Dave: get back to your lab ... tard Aug 30 18:55:20 alx___: that has been discussed at least three times on the mailing list? i am not following it though Aug 30 18:55:35 :p Aug 30 18:56:06 CM :) Aug 30 18:56:13 lindi-: sorry, i've seen the debate wiki page too, I just didn't know they keyboard will disappear after the upgrade :) Aug 30 18:57:26 someone know how easy it is to make a om-maps package? looks like a nice exercice to play with the packaging system Aug 30 19:06:00 hello Aug 30 19:09:03 Anyone got timesheet working in 2007.2??? Aug 30 19:29:04 [Bug] #1929: Wlan stops working after some time... ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1929 ) Aug 30 19:29:50 OMBugsBot: when did you get here ? Aug 30 19:30:34 You always talk to 'bots? Aug 30 19:30:55 I can't see how is this bothering you Aug 30 19:31:30 It's not bothering me, just curious? Aug 30 19:31:58 well .. no .. I talk to real humans too Aug 30 19:32:41 I like to observe people. And stir things up if I can/ Aug 30 19:34:51 CVirus: since yesterday Aug 30 19:35:09 I read you already had you Dave-Moment :) Aug 30 19:36:28 What's a Dave-Moment :) ? Aug 30 19:36:43 alx___: don't know about raster's image, but I've been unable to get it back on 2008.8-upgrade, and I read every mail about it Aug 30 19:37:11 johngay: when talking about CVirus it means that dave calls him Virus and he gets pissed :) Aug 30 19:37:24 it makes my day :) Aug 30 19:37:27 I C. Aug 30 19:37:58 In fact that used to be my job. Aug 30 19:38:04 How big were memorycard whit came whit openmoko fr? Aug 30 19:38:15 there's some talk on the ML that CVirus hired a female serial killer named Lazy Lulu to end Dave's live, but I think that that isn't right Aug 30 19:38:17 Mine was 512MB Aug 30 19:38:24 happosade: 512MB Aug 30 19:38:32 Zorkman: hi, you tried new keyboard? Aug 30 19:38:45 no, 2008.8 still booted Aug 30 19:39:01 lol @ Zorkman Aug 30 19:39:02 i'll reboot! Aug 30 19:39:20 Zorkman: brave man, I wouldn't dare... Aug 30 19:39:34 ;] Aug 30 19:39:40 bah, me and my FR came to an agreement Aug 30 19:39:55 I won't put him in the toaster if he started behaving Aug 30 19:40:09 Is Qtopia good for daily usage? Aug 30 19:40:17 I heard it is ok Aug 30 19:40:19 happosade: afaik it is Aug 30 19:40:23 Maybe you could have a quiet word with mine? I'm getting ready to re-program it with a cattle prod. Aug 30 19:40:26 but not tested it Aug 30 19:42:42 * Zorkman 's FR @ 2007.2 always scare's the hell out of him when it boots after 231584minutes and rings because it recieves a ghost-SMS (no SIM inserted..à Aug 30 19:43:02 ;]]] Aug 30 19:49:36 harnir: I like the keyboard Aug 30 19:49:49 harnir: put it on the wiki if you please Aug 30 19:50:46 heh my FR @ 2007.2 is driving me mad ;/ Aug 30 19:50:54 why soltys? Aug 30 19:50:59 it wakes from suspend in random moments;/ Aug 30 19:51:05 (are you trying to use it as a GSM naughty boy??) Aug 30 19:51:14 haha, yeah, that's the GSM re-registering.... Aug 30 19:51:19 it sucks... Aug 30 19:51:20 Zorkman: how's the layout? Aug 30 19:52:05 Zorkman: uhm 2008.8 didn't have that problems.. Aug 30 19:52:12 soltys: i know Aug 30 19:52:17 harnir: a few remarks Aug 30 19:52:30 but i crash it several times Aug 30 19:52:36 with upgrade ;] Aug 30 19:52:37 the pannel you get when presin <=> Aug 30 19:52:49 why are there letters like a b c d e f there? Aug 30 19:53:20 so you can write for example: 00:0a:cf:d5:23:c5 Aug 30 19:53:28 or: #aa3351 Aug 30 19:53:31 aha Aug 30 19:53:45 do you know hexadecimal? Aug 30 19:54:03 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f Aug 30 19:54:07 yeah harnir i know it :) Aug 30 19:54:29 another one: when pressing shift, the top row of the default layout doesn't change Aug 30 19:54:44 I don't know what to put there Aug 30 19:54:48 any ideas? Aug 30 19:54:50 numbers? Aug 30 19:54:56 dunno... Aug 30 19:55:04 numbers are also under diamond Aug 30 19:55:12 yeah i know Aug 30 19:55:41 besides, that row is for national characters, like polish letters Aug 30 19:55:42 but you could put at least an exlamation mark there Aug 30 19:55:54 shifted shows big letters there Aug 30 19:56:12 that default keyboard should include everything for sms, so also an exlamation point (!) Aug 30 19:56:18 Zorkman: will try to find some useful chars then Aug 30 19:56:27 I really like your implementation of "capslock" Aug 30 19:56:36 was in one of previous versions ;-) Aug 30 19:56:47 Zorkman: caps lock blocks symbols, unfortunately Aug 30 19:57:08 harnir, some suggestions: " ' ! ; ( ) ^ Aug 30 19:57:21 (the last three are also usefull for smileys Aug 30 19:57:30 " ' ! ; ( ) ^ _ Aug 30 19:57:43 ok Aug 30 19:57:49 ' and " are not both nescessary i think, one of them is enough Aug 30 19:59:31 guys! we need to run another test on the FreeRunner! Aug 30 19:59:35 is here somebody with u-boot knowledge? I'm trying to get FSO on my SD card, but get kernel panic Aug 30 19:59:45 It's possible that it may be... Aug 30 19:59:46 evil.. Aug 30 19:59:49 look at this: http://is.gd/24sH Aug 30 20:00:04 that phone is clearly evil. But what about the FreeRunner? Aug 30 20:00:07 is it that evil? Aug 30 20:00:12 one mre char... Aug 30 20:00:57 Zorkman: any suggestions for the last charater? Aug 30 20:01:36 @ ? Aug 30 20:01:46 Guys, this is serial! Aug 30 20:01:59 for e-mail or shortening "at" Aug 30 20:02:02 good one Aug 30 20:04:04 [Bug] #1930: Another keyboard implementation ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1930 ) Aug 30 20:05:42 Zorkman: updated the keyboard file on my wiki Aug 30 20:05:49 you can grab it Aug 30 20:05:53 I will :) Aug 30 20:07:51 harnir: you sure? it's still the same Aug 30 20:08:11 my contacts app can add people to the evolution address book :) Aug 30 20:08:28 moment Aug 30 20:09:51 AntonTakk, WAIT! don't move! Aug 30 20:10:01 what contact app, and how do i get it? Aug 30 20:10:09 :) Aug 30 20:10:49 TAsn: the one i'm writing, and to get it atm you'd have to recieve a tarball from me and compile the one c file in it Aug 30 20:11:04 i don't have to phone yet Aug 30 20:11:07 so i can wait :) Aug 30 20:11:14 AntonTakk: make a package ;] Aug 30 20:11:27 what are you using in order to write to the evolution address book? Aug 30 20:11:31 what API? Aug 30 20:14:15 Zorkman: http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:file:keyboard-compressed.xml.gz?id=openmoko%3Akeyboard-compressed&cache=cache Aug 30 20:14:28 Tanuva: libebook > eds Aug 30 20:14:29 I downloaded it just now and it's an updated version Aug 30 20:14:39 er Aug 30 20:14:41 Zorkman: clear the cache maybe? Aug 30 20:15:13 TAsn: using libebook - the same lib evolution uses :) Aug 30 20:15:14 still exactly 8.581 bytes.. i'll check Aug 30 20:15:28 cool enough :) Aug 30 20:15:32 it should by under 1kb Aug 30 20:15:46 (the xml) Aug 30 20:15:50 TAsn: there is no gui atm, once i get basic add/remove/view/edit i'll make gui Aug 30 20:16:07 AntonTakk, gui is overrated. Aug 30 20:16:20 TAsn: also, aiming for fso, so it's an edje gui Aug 30 20:16:31 cool enough :))) Aug 30 20:16:41 when will it be over? Aug 30 20:16:46 ... Aug 30 20:17:00 harnir: nope :) Aug 30 20:17:22 ;) Aug 30 20:17:40 when it has a nice usable gui and can add/remove/edit and view contacts with all available attributes Aug 30 20:18:00 go AntonTakk! Aug 30 20:18:05 as well as initiate calls/txt/etc Aug 30 20:19:20 w00t Aug 30 20:19:36 debian + xfce is cool Aug 30 20:19:47 but how do u do input in shell? Aug 30 20:22:50 does anybody know how I can extract .jffs2 file? Aug 30 20:23:16 Zorkman: ah, sorry, it's 8820 bytes here Aug 30 20:23:27 I dowonloaded it again from that address Aug 30 20:23:42 Zorkman: reload the page bypassing the cache? Aug 30 20:23:48 open it in different browser? Aug 30 20:24:32 dolf1074, set up a virtual mtd device using it as a backend and mount it Aug 30 20:24:46 done Aug 30 20:25:05 dolf1074: i think you need to mount it on a loopback device Aug 30 20:25:07 info on the wiki Aug 30 20:25:19 where on the wiki? Aug 30 20:25:53 ok, founded Aug 30 20:25:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Aug 30 20:25:58 thanks anywhay Aug 30 20:26:02 anyway Aug 30 20:26:05 np Aug 30 20:26:46 harnir: nice work Aug 30 20:36:08 Zorkman: thanks :-) Aug 30 20:37:01 harnir: show screens ;] Aug 30 20:37:38 soltys: http://wiki.harnir.net/openmoko:keyboard-compressed Aug 30 20:42:38 Zorkman, thanks. that's handy :) Aug 30 20:42:47 thank harnir Aug 30 20:42:56 harnir, thanks :) Aug 30 20:43:05 harnir: did you already add it to the wiki? Aug 30 20:43:10 otherwise I will Aug 30 20:43:57 maybe you should send a mail on the community list (otherwise I also will do this :)) I think a lot of 2007.2 users will like this Aug 30 20:44:03 is there way to fix cairo problems on 2007.2 ? Aug 30 20:44:17 don't knpw, I haven't encountered them yet Aug 30 20:44:24 have you checked the buglist Mononoke? Aug 30 20:44:59 only reliable is http://n2.nabble.com/Can't-run-python-apps---ImportError:-No-module-named-cairo-td729990.html but it's link is for 2008.8 repo :/ Aug 30 20:45:35 there was also a mail on the community list with the subject Need help [python-pygtk-dev error ] Aug 30 20:45:41 that also is about cairo Aug 30 20:45:51 but no replies yet Aug 30 20:46:53 FR WiFi-drivers are closed source? Aug 30 20:49:32 Zorkman: nt yet Aug 30 20:49:50 oh opkg install http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/python/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml0_armv4t.ipk fixed it Aug 30 20:50:00 Zorkman: do it if you can, thanks from the mountain :-) Aug 30 20:50:10 I don't have an account there yet Aug 30 20:50:16 np Aug 30 20:50:28 thx Aug 30 20:50:40 I'll try to keep it consise Aug 30 20:50:46 :( Aug 30 20:50:46 ok Aug 30 20:50:52 * tunys wait for mail truck Aug 30 20:50:56 discuss dialog shows on the wiki page? Aug 30 20:51:22 it's just about 2 Aug 30 20:51:29 the mail should come any minute Aug 30 20:51:31 :( Aug 30 20:53:01 hehe Aug 30 20:53:08 what a countdown ;] Aug 30 20:53:41 Do kismet works whit FR Aug 30 20:58:41 happosade, not sure the firmware supports promiscuous mode yet. Aug 30 20:58:47 happosade, though im not sure. Aug 30 20:59:10 anyhow, wardriving with the tiny moko ant isn't a good idea :) Aug 30 21:02:31 now it's 2:04 Aug 30 21:02:32 harnir: i can't figure out the url of your files, the om wiki can't display http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png?cache=cache Aug 30 21:02:40 the mail SHOULD have been here four minutes ago Aug 30 21:02:51 hi guys i Am writing from thefreerunner Aug 30 21:02:57 llo :) Aug 30 21:03:25 Zorkman: well, DokuWiki serves them... what do you mean 'can't display'? maybe put them in tinyurl then? Aug 30 21:04:09 [[Image:http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png]] is being displayed as Image:Http://wiki.harnir.net/ media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png Openmoko:Img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png?256 Aug 30 21:04:12 Zorkman: or put just the link to the wiki page itself, people will figure the rest by themselves? ;-) Aug 30 21:04:26 yeah they will, but it is easier t have all the info on one page Aug 30 21:04:50 Zorkman: ah, it's DokuWiki, so syntax is different than MediaWiki Aug 30 21:04:58 you have to modify the syntax Aug 30 21:05:06 I know, and I'm doing that Aug 30 21:05:12 but I need the url of the png file Aug 30 21:05:16 and probably move the files and images over Aug 30 21:05:22 Zorkman: moment Aug 30 21:05:32 there is "openmoko:img:matchbox.." in the only url i can find Aug 30 21:06:02 Zorkman: http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png Aug 30 21:06:09 yeah I found that url, Aug 30 21:06:23 but there is a ":" in the url and that doesn't work on the openmoko wiki Aug 30 21:06:39 Zorkman: so you need to move the images to the OM wiki Aug 30 21:06:47 not serve them from my wiki Aug 30 21:09:48 Anyone got timesheet working in 2007.2??? Aug 30 21:10:27 johngay: timesheet and gpe-todo are crasing for me, have you tried running it from the terminal? Aug 30 21:11:10 Yes, it says it can't find libtododb.so.0 I've installed libtododb, but can't find the file. Aug 30 21:12:13 i really think libglade should be embraced by everyone Aug 30 21:12:37 Embrace and Extend?? Aug 30 21:13:01 this will close a big gap exists among all the linux platforms. Aug 30 21:13:11 johngay, yeah. though it is usable as is. Aug 30 21:13:29 Guess you missed my reference. Aug 30 21:13:43 Look up the Halloween Document. Aug 30 21:14:31 Anyone know what happened to libtododb? Aug 30 21:14:49 What files have you got in the libtododb0 package? Aug 30 21:15:03 evening all Aug 30 21:15:46 opkg needs support for -L switch from dpkg Aug 30 21:15:48 That's the problem. I've got libtododb installed, but I don't have libtododb.so.0 Aug 30 21:16:02 right, so what files are in the package you installed? Aug 30 21:16:11 harnir: isn't "opkg files" what you want? Aug 30 21:16:13 harnir, opkg files pkg Aug 30 21:16:14 ^^ Aug 30 21:16:20 let me check Aug 30 21:16:23 it is Aug 30 21:16:23 johngay, link me. Aug 30 21:16:34 sweet, good to know Aug 30 21:16:38 harnir: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_Om_2007.2#Modified_Matchbox_Keyboard:_finger_friendly Aug 30 21:16:56 oh hai z0rkm4n Aug 30 21:16:58 :) Aug 30 21:17:06 hello phrozen77_ Aug 30 21:17:07 TAsn: it's on ESR's homepage. Aug 30 21:17:14 what's esr?! Aug 30 21:17:39 Zorkman: it actually is feasible without stylus? I didn't try it much that way Aug 30 21:17:49 jup Aug 30 21:18:04 TAsn: not 'what' but 'who' - Eric S. Raymond. Aug 30 21:18:10 You really are a noob (-= Aug 30 21:18:12 i c. Aug 30 21:18:28 johngay, well i didn't get mine yet. Aug 30 21:18:34 though im idling here for moths now ;0 Aug 30 21:19:38 ERS is one of the three top names in Linux, along with Linux and RMS Aug 30 21:19:40 Zorkman: very nice, thanks! :-) Aug 30 21:19:54 np Aug 30 21:19:57 my first contribution to OM project is a fact! :-) Aug 30 21:20:02 libtododb installs : Aug 30 21:20:03 congratz! Aug 30 21:20:13 thx :=) Aug 30 21:20:14 johngay: who is Linux ? Aug 30 21:20:17 I suck at programming so this is one of my ways to contribute :) Aug 30 21:20:26 I meant Linus. Aug 30 21:20:30 :) Aug 30 21:20:44 johngay: isn't that a synonym already? ;-) Aug 30 21:20:51 So, where is libtododb.so.0? Aug 30 21:21:19 johngay: so, you're saying that libtododb installs nothing at all? Aug 30 21:21:19 No, Linus is a programmer. Linux is a kernel in his army for world domination (-= Aug 30 21:21:25 where did this .ipk come from? Aug 30 21:21:31 That's what opkg says. Aug 30 21:21:58 and the package definitely is named "libtododb", right, not libtododb0? Aug 30 21:22:38 Yes. Aug 30 21:24:31 johngay: it should be in /usr/lib (libtododb.so.0 a link to libtododb.so.0.0.0) Aug 30 21:24:39 I wonder if beginnins of Debian and dpkg looked the same as OM and opkg, ie. multiple, unsynchronised, decentralised repositories... Aug 30 21:24:55 * Zorkman wonders what the use is of those .so.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 names Aug 30 21:25:22 Zorkman: if you have a packaging system, none really. Aug 30 21:25:31 if you don't, to let you see what version of the library is actually installed Aug 30 21:25:54 yeah, but to me (a noob) .so.0.0 should be equal to 0.0.0.0 Aug 30 21:26:04 But it's not. And I can't find what provides it. Aug 30 21:26:22 johngay: again, where did this .ipk that you installed come from/ Aug 30 21:26:54 buildhost? Aug 30 21:27:16 johngay: try this one (it contains the lib) http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 30 21:27:27 I'm trying to get timesheet and todo to work. Aug 30 21:27:58 johngay: what url specifically? Aug 30 21:28:16 how do i get WiFi in 2008.8 to respect my wpa_supplicant.conf? Aug 30 21:28:25 the one at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk looks fine, so presumably that's not the one you installed Aug 30 21:28:29 e.g. how do i connect without having to enter a password? Aug 30 21:30:51 I'm using -force-reinstall now. Aug 30 21:31:08 Zorkman: yeah, that's not quite how it works. one of those names, usually the shorter one (e.g. ".so.0") is the binary interface name and doesn't necessarily correlate with the version of the library. the longer one is, traditionally, the actual version of the library that you're using. Aug 30 21:31:26 STill did'nt install anything Aug 30 21:31:38 thanks for the info pb__, i'm still trying to learn :) Aug 30 21:32:28 johngay: you still haven't actually said what specific ipk file you are installing. it's hard to guess what might be going wrong without that information. Aug 30 21:32:32 does qtopia support wlan? i can use it in the network settings but in the devtools menu its not listed? Aug 30 21:32:45 johngay: if you paste the url of the binary you're using here, that would help. Aug 30 21:33:01 t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 30 21:33:28 Can't paste. Chat on desktop, using term on FR. Aug 30 21:33:45 ah, I see Aug 30 21:34:00 I've only used opkg update && opkg upgrade. Aug 30 21:34:02 You all know that buildhost is deprecated, right? Aug 30 21:34:24 buildhost is for 2007.2, right? Aug 30 21:34:27 ah right, this one? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libtododb_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 30 21:34:32 and that openmoko are going to turn off the webserver on it according to emails from them ... Aug 30 21:34:34 that does indeed look like a broken package Aug 30 21:34:51 That's what opkg installs. )-= Aug 30 21:34:52 try the one from the 2007.2 directory that I mentioned earlier, that has the right files in Aug 30 21:35:05 have a good holliday DocS__holiday Aug 30 21:35:18 Where do you change the repository? Aug 30 21:35:26 you can just give opkg the url directly Aug 30 21:35:34 in /etc/opkg Aug 30 21:35:36 Gotta run soon, though. Thanks for the help. Aug 30 21:35:37 opkg install http://whatever/foo.ipk Aug 30 21:35:43 or, yeah, what zorkman said Aug 30 21:36:06 Like I'm gonna type that url into term on the FR (-= Aug 30 21:36:20 heh Aug 30 21:36:34 johngay: can't you ssh in? Aug 30 21:37:01 Don't have ssh on my desktop. Too lazy to build it. Aug 30 21:37:08 ??? Aug 30 21:37:18 you only need a terminal to ssh... Aug 30 21:37:44 It's a KDE desktop I built from scratch using LFS && BLFS. Aug 30 21:37:48 aha Aug 30 21:37:55 I didn't build ssh Aug 30 21:38:02 hm Aug 30 21:38:02 Hah Aug 30 21:38:05 too bad :) Aug 30 21:38:19 is there any way to remove added networks in qtopia? somehow it seems its lacking that option?! Aug 30 21:38:43 Can you send my the url for stable 2007.2 repositories to upgrade from, if buildhost is going down? Aug 30 21:40:30 is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk gonna stay up for a while? Aug 30 21:41:00 Sorry, gotta go. Aug 30 21:44:05 Zorkman: thanks. Just running from madness. GTA03 is about confusion, GTA04 is about illusion Aug 30 21:44:21 :( too bad to hear that DocS__holiday Aug 30 21:44:28 you're going on a long holiday? Aug 30 21:44:38 (I hope it for you, I don't hope it for our FR ;-)) Aug 30 21:44:49 ;] Aug 30 21:44:56 as long as I'm feeling pissed off the way I feel right now Aug 30 21:45:46 :( maybe you should start a putch, I'm with you :) Aug 30 21:46:11 Hm? What's going on? Aug 30 21:46:18 * phrozen77_ wonders too Aug 30 21:47:18 Zorkman: make sure you send it to the putch submission address, with the correct whitespacing. Aug 30 21:47:57 I don't understand that one ShellEvil :) is putch also something like pushing patches upstream? Aug 30 22:00:46 hi Aug 30 22:01:16 anyone else has a problem after suspend with the display in landscape mode ? Aug 30 22:01:49 haven't tested it Aug 30 22:01:53 on what image pete_b? Aug 30 22:02:13 self build asu stuff Aug 30 22:06:01 there it is: bug #1336 Aug 30 22:13:50 Hey ;-) Aug 30 22:14:42 is there a wifi gui for 2008.8? Aug 30 22:14:45 jucstophalous! Aug 30 22:14:51 tomboy64: mofi Aug 30 22:14:57 :-D Zorkman... Aug 30 22:14:58 it segv's Aug 30 22:15:09 Mofi seems to have a problem with WEP networks... Aug 30 22:15:12 there is lintwifi.. but that doesn't work for me Aug 30 22:15:17 and you also have wifi-radar Aug 30 22:15:18 mhm Aug 30 22:15:22 for me neither Aug 30 22:15:25 wifi-radar? Aug 30 22:15:28 where can i get it? Aug 30 22:15:31 wifi-radar? Aug 30 22:15:42 lint-wifi looks fine but doesn't work at all... Aug 30 22:16:13 wifi-radar is in the 2007.2 rep Aug 30 22:16:18 don't know if it is in the asu one Aug 30 22:16:31 no Aug 30 22:16:38 Gosh, the OpenStreetMap-"Complete-Edition" is over 93 Gigabytes big! :-D Aug 30 22:16:55 :) Aug 30 22:17:10 what does a red glowing aux-button mean? o.O Aug 30 22:17:12 see why i want a 128GB microSD? ;) Aug 30 22:17:28 tomboy64: charging Aug 30 22:17:34 tomboy64: if it blinks: kernel panic Aug 30 22:17:36 ahh Aug 30 22:17:38 ok Aug 30 22:17:59 Wonka: Sure :-D Aug 30 22:18:25 hmm... where should one send wishes about tangogops? Aug 30 22:18:31 to marcus bauer Aug 30 22:18:36 just e-mail him Aug 30 22:18:46 And if you look and informationfreeway.org you'll ask yourself, what the size will be if they ever get the most parts of the world crawled... Aug 30 22:18:56 i'd like to be able to delete POIs and to set waypoints by entering coordinates... Aug 30 22:19:07 Wonka: marcus.bauer@gmail.com Aug 30 22:19:12 and you can already do that Wonka Aug 30 22:19:24 Wonka: I delete POIs by setting them to lat 0 / lon 0 :-P Aug 30 22:19:24 both? Aug 30 22:19:34 click on the map, select add point POI and then you can enter the coordinates Aug 30 22:19:45 waypoint =!= POI Aug 30 22:21:18 Wonka: e-mail him, he's open to suggestion and very friendly Aug 30 22:21:36 it should be fairly trivial to add that since there is already an interface for it that is used for the POI Aug 30 22:23:33 ack. will do. Aug 30 22:28:52 They should reeeeeally implement an option to disable the OSD -.- Aug 30 22:29:06 It's soo annoying... the only thing I hate about tangoGPS... Aug 30 22:29:56 At least they made it smaller... Aug 30 22:36:47 I can't get usb network on my om2007.2, is there any guide? Aug 30 22:37:11 'can't get? Aug 30 22:37:18 Does it show up on lsusb Aug 30 22:37:43 Do you have the cdc_acm module/builtin set to yes/installed. Aug 30 22:37:48 no devices that contain something familiar Aug 30 22:37:49 Do you get a usb0 Aug 30 22:38:08 err Aug 30 22:38:10 cdc_ether Aug 30 22:38:27 on the freerunner? Aug 30 22:38:29 jucs: the speed display? Aug 30 22:38:40 Wonka: Yes :-p Aug 30 22:38:58 dolf1074: no - host Aug 30 22:39:45 I actually found a way to disable it in the source, but I'm too stupid to compile it for the freerunner .... Aug 30 22:39:52 normally my host should be fine, because I can connect Om2008.8 with my computer Aug 30 22:40:22 my comp doesn't know cdc_ether and cdc_acm Aug 30 22:41:38 jucs: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/News Aug 30 22:41:48 jucs: POIs can be deleted in 0.9.3 Aug 30 22:42:07 Wonka: I wasn't talking about POIs... Aug 30 22:42:24 jucs: i know, but that would've been one of my points Aug 30 22:42:52 Ah :-) I didn't remember that it was you who complained about that :-D Aug 30 22:43:49 dolf1074: if you can connect with 2008.8 - it must have them builtin Aug 30 22:44:37 and one can create a POI and then click "go to", which sets it as a waypoint Aug 30 22:44:48 so, my features are there ;) Aug 30 22:44:49 Nice, yes :-P Aug 30 22:44:51 ;-) Aug 30 22:44:56 jucs: you gotta mail him yourself then Aug 30 22:45:40 As as I told him or at least someone in the development here some days ago, I hope they'll already know... Aug 30 22:46:01 I followed the guide on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking (ubuntu), so normally it should recognize the neo? But if I ping to 192.168.0.202, I get nothing Aug 30 22:46:16 For know, I could solve it on my own if I learned how to cross-compile :-P Aug 30 22:46:38 dolf1074: Should work on Hardy.... Aug 30 22:47:03 What does it mean when the AUX LED id constantly flashing quickly and my FR is unresponsive? Aug 30 22:47:05 I will try further :( (maybe reboot) Aug 30 22:47:33 AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Aug 30 22:47:38 Toaster: I think it means your kernel crashed... Aug 30 22:47:41 it's in my lap!!! Aug 30 22:47:43 I own one!!! Aug 30 22:47:44 Toaster: You crashed the phone, remove the battery to reboot Aug 30 22:47:47 jucs: awesome :( Aug 30 22:48:02 Poor you :-8 Aug 30 22:48:04 :-( Aug 30 22:48:18 It was working wonderfuly too Aug 30 22:49:19 I had it charging, and just noticed the blinking. I guess I was too hopeful. Aug 30 22:50:58 Toaster: Where? Aug 30 22:51:04 Toaster: With wall charger? Aug 30 22:51:10 jucs: usb Aug 30 22:51:39 Toaster: hmm... mine always crashes when it's charging via wall and doing any audio thing... Aug 30 22:52:04 jucs: odd. Aug 30 22:52:13 Strange, I know... Aug 30 22:52:14 heh, I lost the time settings too Aug 30 22:52:26 :-D Aug 30 23:01:41 i saw something recently about some new hardware, any news about that? Aug 30 23:13:09 wesnoth on FR caused impression today Aug 30 23:13:23 maybe I'll try freeciv now Aug 30 23:13:52 nyu: u ran it on yours or are you talking about an article? can you post pics? Aug 30 23:14:01 niklauz: just run it Aug 30 23:14:12 niklauz: http://newpeople.debian.org/~rmh/freerunner/ Aug 30 23:14:25 ooh, wesnoth Aug 30 23:14:49 oooo wow... Aug 30 23:14:53 that wowo Aug 30 23:14:59 nyu: nice :) Aug 30 23:15:05 that looks really good Aug 30 23:15:16 my non-geek friends were impressed by wesnoth, and my geek friends were awfully impressed by 'ps aux' Aug 30 23:15:21 i was not expecting to see something that looks that good lol Aug 30 23:15:33 niklauz: actually, it looks worse when you use tinygui Aug 30 23:15:40 which is a must, sadly Aug 30 23:15:41 nyu: how fast/responsive is wesnoth and epiphany on the FreeRunner ? Aug 30 23:15:43 or you can't play Aug 30 23:16:01 CVirus: both take ages to load, but otherwise work reasonably well Aug 30 23:16:20 I see Aug 30 23:16:20 any freeciv players around? Aug 30 23:16:29 I wonder if you can play that game without right-click or keyboard Aug 30 23:16:35 idk what tinygui is... was that using debian as a base? Aug 30 23:16:50 niklauz: yes, but debian packages don't enable tinygui, so I had to rebuild Aug 30 23:17:12 niklauz: it's a build option (--enable-tinygui) Aug 30 23:18:14 is that a custom option for wesnoth or like an add-on or something re-usable? Aug 30 23:27:18 niklauz: it's a build option in official wesnoth Aug 30 23:42:00 hiya Aug 30 23:42:15 I just now got my FreeRunner (AAAHHH!!!) and I'm trying to SSH into it Aug 30 23:42:27 the default password is blank, it says on the wiki Aug 30 23:42:35 is that the word blank or nothing at all? Aug 30 23:42:37 or just a space? Aug 30 23:42:43 because none of the above three work. Aug 30 23:44:14 Good night @all! Aug 30 23:44:17 ;-) Aug 30 23:44:28 tunys: should nothing at all (just enter) Aug 30 23:45:17 :/ Aug 30 23:45:20 not working Aug 30 23:45:34 tuna@supertunacomp:~$ ssh root@192.168.0.200 Aug 30 23:45:34 root@192.168.0.200's password: Aug 30 23:45:34 Permission denied, please try again. Aug 30 23:45:48 (was I supposed to pastebin that? it's only three lines" Aug 30 23:45:52 s/"/)/ Aug 30 23:45:52 tunys meant: (was I supposed to pastebin that? it's only three lines) Aug 30 23:46:28 did you just hit enter? Aug 30 23:46:36 yep Aug 30 23:46:50 Reflash. Aug 30 23:46:55 you're sure you aren't trying to connect to your own box? Aug 30 23:47:09 ssh root@192.168.0.202 Aug 30 23:47:23 Sargun's right Aug 30 23:47:28 SpeedEvil: I must have been :P Aug 30 23:47:38 thanks! Aug 30 23:48:24 Blame SpeedEvil, it was his fault that you have access to your FR Aug 31 00:11:02 * paroneayea hopes his phoe didn't break somehow :( Aug 31 00:11:50 phoe! Aug 31 00:11:55 What did you do? Aug 31 00:11:56 phone Aug 31 00:12:29 I don't know. I came back from the car, took it from my pocket, noticed it was off, despite me seeing significant charge a couple of hours prior Aug 31 00:13:03 so I plugged it in.. wouldn't turn on. Took out the battery while I left it plugged in.. it buzzed angrily... unplugged it and left it out for 5 minutes Aug 31 00:13:11 plugged it back in for 15 minutes, tried turning it on Aug 31 00:13:13 no dice Aug 31 00:13:49 I guess I'll leave it unplugged for longer then try charging it again :\ Aug 31 00:15:35 yeah Aug 31 00:16:54 paroneayea: GTA01 or 02? Aug 31 00:16:59 paroneayea: try plugging it into a PC USB cable instead of the wall charger, or try holding the Aux button when you plug in the wall charger. Aug 31 00:18:14 You don't need to unplug it for a long time - 10s with no battery and no USB should be plenty to reset the internal state. The order in which you re-connect things and press buttons does matter. Aug 31 00:19:07 in 2008.8 is there a way to get rid of the onscreen kb? Aug 31 00:19:14 i'm hooked up with a bt kb Aug 31 00:24:12 abraxa_: gta01 Aug 31 00:24:57 whew Aug 31 00:25:01 oh, gta01. Just remove battery and usb, replace battery, connect usb, and leave it for an hour or so without pressing anything. Aug 31 00:25:01 ok, it's turning on again Aug 31 00:25:10 sweet Aug 31 00:25:11 paroneayea: "it buzzed angrily" - GTA01 cannot be powered without battery, unfortunately, so it will do that. It's harmless but there's no point, so just avoid it :) Aug 31 00:25:22 abraxa_: ah, hehee Aug 31 00:25:23 ok Aug 31 00:25:33 good to know Aug 31 00:25:37 thanks folks :) Aug 31 00:26:10 You're welcome, and don't lose hope on GTA01 unless you buy a GTA03 when it comes out ;) Aug 31 00:29:20 abraxa_: actually, waiting for gta03 is my plan :) Aug 31 00:29:33 btw, what's the cause of it "dying" there like that Aug 31 00:29:34 ? Aug 31 00:29:43 just normal battery drainage? Aug 31 00:29:49 could something have overloaded it? Aug 31 00:29:57 admittedly, my understanding of hardware is terrible Aug 31 00:30:10 Depends on what you did, and there are hardware bugs in GTA01 Aug 31 00:30:38 asdf Aug 31 00:30:41 heh, i wish I knew what I did.. Aug 31 01:16:35 does there also exist any other phone opensource software next to zhone ? Aug 31 01:19:41 blubs: plenty. You can run qtopia Aug 31 01:19:52 that isn't based off of FSO, but it works Aug 31 01:20:08 other than that there's the old GTK openmoko stuff, but looks like that's getting deprecated fast Aug 31 01:20:14 ok, maybe that's not "plenty", but ;) Aug 31 01:24:37 paroneayea: what wy do they go is the mainway om 2008.8 ? Aug 31 01:25:04 and do you know how to exchange the wallpaper or design for zphone =? Aug 31 01:29:47 blubs paroneayea: what wy do they go is the mainway om 2008.8 ? <-- ?????????? Aug 31 01:32:18 swc|666: I mean more if this is the deveoppement path they go the main system supported ... Aug 31 01:33:16 ah Aug 31 01:33:25 i hope not - it sucks Aug 31 01:33:48 hmm right i hope they get forward with the debian system :) Aug 31 01:34:00 yep Aug 31 01:34:10 thats why i built my own debian phone ui Aug 31 01:34:13 hmm btw does anybody know where i can find some documentation on zhone how to customize it ? Aug 31 01:34:35 swc|666: how did you do that are there any docs around in that direction ? Aug 31 01:36:18 i built the first in whiptail and the 2nd in pygtk Aug 31 01:37:24 ok and how did you do the backend ? also with python where can I find some docs on this to learn more about ? what dev did you have to address ? Aug 31 01:37:48 google Aug 31 01:38:00 and the wiki Aug 31 01:38:52 swc|666: what main words could you give me to search on google ? Aug 31 01:39:27 u fsckin serious? Aug 31 01:39:55 swc|666: I mean specific devices you have to speak to on the phone for example /dev/* .. Aug 31 01:40:08 sorry my english isn't too well Aug 31 01:40:37 be clever and research Aug 31 02:03:47 * johnsu01 wishes for a way to hide read messages in qtmail Aug 31 02:03:55 displaying 2000 messages in my inbox is a very bad idea Aug 31 02:30:50 johnsu01: depends on your mail client Aug 31 02:31:07 johnsu01: oh, make a 'read' folder and move them there once they've been read Aug 31 02:31:30 pjz: yeah, but this is imap, and I don't really want things set up that way in all the other clients that I use Aug 31 02:31:41 there is also something about the way it's handling courier folder names with dots in them Aug 31 02:32:06 johnsu01: sure you do. inbox is inbox, fine. once it's read mvoe it do a 'done' folder or something. that's what I do. just do it manually Aug 31 02:32:07 messages in INBOX.main.in are appearing directly inside main Aug 31 02:32:23 set up a hotkey to do the move so it's 'manual' but easy to do Aug 31 02:32:36 pjz: no, I don't want that Aug 31 02:32:52 * pjz has like 10k messages in 'done' and <50 in inbox Aug 31 02:33:28 johnsu01: well,t he only way to make read messages not be in a folder is to.. put them somewhere else Aug 31 02:33:31 * pjz shrugs Aug 31 02:34:32 pjz: I can see that, thus the wishing Aug 31 02:46:58 Hi Aug 31 02:47:05 my freerunner doesn't seem to want to come on Aug 31 02:47:55 swap the battery and see if you can bootstrap it Aug 31 02:51:03 Tried with a charged Nokia BL-5CA Aug 31 02:51:05 didn't work Aug 31 02:51:58 that normally works for me, where you doing anything dangerous like flashing it? Aug 31 02:52:18 no Aug 31 02:52:39 I was trying to get GPS to work Aug 31 02:52:47 I restarded the GPS daemon Aug 31 02:52:52 restarted Aug 31 02:53:06 waited for it to come back to the normal prompt Aug 31 02:53:10 and then shut down the phone Aug 31 02:53:23 and now I'm trying to get it to turn on again Aug 31 02:54:18 well it can have problems when it is low power, so try again with a fully charged noika battery as well as having it connected to the charger, it needs the 1A sometimes Aug 31 02:54:35 also take out the sd card and sim card as they use power during boot Aug 31 02:56:31 that worked Aug 31 02:57:10 dns53: while it's plugged in, is it safe to remove the battery and slip the SIM card and SD card back in? Aug 31 02:57:46 i wouldn't switch the sim and sd card, switching the battery is usually ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 31 02:59:56 2008