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Sep 02 03:29:40 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a5f19107b65 10/packages/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Change name of image from openmoko-bare to openmoko-base
Sep 02 03:53:18 <slaxxin> latest qtopia an gps?
Sep 02 05:03:38 <Infinyte> Hmm.. Err, how do you get u-boot back to the way it was BEFORE the configuration for booting directly to Debian?
Sep 02 06:43:40 <methril> morning
Sep 02 06:46:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rc19005162ff4 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.2.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS
Sep 02 06:46:48 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r123b5957821e 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default
Sep 02 07:01:23 <rwhitby> XorA: realistically, what are the chances that org.openmoko.dev changes will ever make their way back to org.openembedded.dev?
Sep 02 07:03:30 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0dbaa66349ac 10/packages/busybox/busybox_1.11.1.bb: busybox: changed PR in the wrong bb file... should be 1.11.1
Sep 02 07:09:49 <viq> is there an mpd client available?
Sep 02 07:17:51 <pabs3> hmm, qtopia ui seems more responsive than ASU or Debian
Sep 02 07:18:21 <pabs3> qtopia uses the framebuffer rather than X doesn't it?
Sep 02 07:23:51 <rwhitby> pabs3: that is correct
Sep 02 07:32:24 <Hopscotch> good morning
Sep 02 07:32:44 <kvk> Im trying to execute AT commands on latest image(2008.08) of Free-Runner, for some commands the output is shown as " EXT: I " . so, is the device supporting this command??
Sep 02 07:34:24 <kvk> GSM-0707 AT commands
Sep 02 07:49:04 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1949: [Qtopia : keyboard ] added space automatically when type something in keyboard ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1949 )
Sep 02 08:04:18 <RedFlash> hmmm ... does om2008.8 not have a gsmd .. or did I screw up something ?
Sep 02 08:09:39 <XorA> RedDog: qpe does gsm on 2008.8
Sep 02 08:09:47 <XorA> RedFlash: that was for you
Sep 02 08:14:06 <RedFlash> k... thx
Sep 02 08:26:50 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4618 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd_sms.c: adjust return length for ticket #1591 (Erin Yueh)
Sep 02 08:34:29 <TShik> Hi, Interest in Computers? Go to: http://exesoftware.blogspot.com
Sep 02 08:35:03 * bumbl smells spam
Sep 02 08:35:28 <tg> huh i just got my phone
Sep 02 08:35:29 <tg> \o/
Sep 02 08:37:54 <md2k7> hi
Sep 02 08:39:21 <Melchiorre> hey
Sep 02 08:39:44 <md2k7> what do i have to set in tangogps (on 2008.8) to make it work?
Sep 02 08:39:50 <md2k7> it tells me "no GPS found"
Sep 02 08:39:56 <md2k7> agpsui works fine though
Sep 02 08:40:06 <kwek> md2k7, did you install (and start) gpsd?
Sep 02 08:40:37 <kwek> and set the gps device (/dev/ttySAC1) in /etc/default/gpsd
Sep 02 08:40:43 <md2k7> lol agpsui works without that?
Sep 02 08:40:53 <md2k7> ok now thx :-)
Sep 02 08:40:57 <Wonka> agpsui directly uses /dev/ttySAC1
Sep 02 08:40:58 <kwek> yeah it just reads the device
Sep 02 08:41:48 <Wonka> it writes too
Sep 02 08:41:57 <pabs3> anyone remember where the info about customising the boot logo is?
Sep 02 08:42:10 <Wonka> i hate how it won't start to do anything without resetting the gps chip first
Sep 02 08:42:34 <pabs3> aha, found it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen
Sep 02 08:47:23 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4619 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: bug fixed for decoding GSM 7 bit, trac #1591 (Erin Yueh)
Sep 02 08:49:04 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1950: [Installer] system update packages ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1950 )
Sep 02 08:52:24 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r76700a094eec 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oeventsd: add 'blink' action to LedAction, adjust rules file
Sep 02 09:14:05 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1951: ps u does not show all user names ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1951 )
Sep 02 09:34:05 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1952: [Systemsoftware] it wakes up from suspend but screen is blank time ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1952 )
Sep 02 09:40:58 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r110748aca76f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested).
Sep 02 09:40:58 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r47cf9c76094e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging
Sep 02 09:40:59 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r4f35659ab92b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858
Sep 02 09:41:00 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d9f5132917d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround.
Sep 02 09:41:03 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r814220000c0d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower.
Sep 02 09:41:08 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6b6d5c00ac46 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it
Sep 02 09:41:11 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a3daa1cee1d 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file
Sep 02 09:41:14 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r57c677ad1ef7 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases
Sep 02 09:41:17 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6046807cbb5b 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info
Sep 02 09:41:22 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re06c3632e91b 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info
Sep 02 09:41:25 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f785b03c9d1 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890
Sep 02 09:41:28 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r029b19654c0a 10/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev
Sep 02 09:49:30 <Wonka> i wonder if minix 3 would be usable on the FR...
Sep 02 09:50:05 <pabs3> probably wouldn't have drivers for much of the hardware
Sep 02 09:50:11 <bumbl> have fun porting
Sep 02 09:50:25 <bumbl> I thoght raster quitted with openmoko?
Sep 02 09:50:36 <pabs3> he did
Sep 02 09:51:29 <pabs3> nice, with a broken splashimage, the video memory doesn't loose pixels between reboots
Sep 02 09:51:52 <pabs3> I just saw half of qtopia and half my splashimage
Sep 02 09:52:16 <bumbl> pabs3: I'm just wondering why he contributes to org.openmoko.dev then
Sep 02 09:52:43 <pabs3> still has access I guess
Sep 02 10:32:06 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r09e6116c2780 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it
Sep 02 10:32:06 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rabd587d52c8a 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file
Sep 02 10:32:06 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rebe33e188dba 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases
Sep 02 10:32:07 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d6b09a2e97c 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info
Sep 02 10:32:10 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r25086e691d0e 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info
Sep 02 10:32:13 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r262a83abc0fa 10/packages/hal/ (5 files): [hal] remove old versions of hal and hal-info
Sep 02 10:32:16 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d3333dd14c5 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev
Sep 02 10:52:57 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r4e301b6bef62 10/ (ChangeLog src/zhone): 
Sep 02 10:52:57 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: fix number comparison, patch courtesy Joachim Breitner.
Sep 02 10:52:57 <CIA-22> freesmartphone.org: closes FSO #110
Sep 02 11:02:56 <beni_> hm, anyone has segfaults with bearstech feeds?
Sep 02 11:03:03 <beni_> i try to do an opkg upgrade
Sep 02 11:03:06 <beni_> but it segfaults
Sep 02 11:29:05 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1953: tty setup for gps at startup -- /etc/init.d/gps-hardware ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1953 )
Sep 02 11:44:08 <tomboy64> i have the problem that my freerunner is no longer triggering creation of the usb0 network device
Sep 02 11:44:29 <tomboy64> usbnet and usb-cdc-thingy are compiled into the kernel
Sep 02 11:44:35 <tomboy64> any hints on what to do?
Sep 02 12:10:13 <kvk> is there any problem with the URL: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/free-runner ??
Sep 02 12:10:53 <Mononoke> s/buildhost/downloads
Sep 02 12:10:59 <beni_> yes
Sep 02 12:11:04 <beni_> no
Sep 02 12:11:09 <beni_> downloads should work
Sep 02 12:12:29 <beni_> does anyone know where tangogps stores its map repository informationß
Sep 02 12:12:30 <beni_> ?
Sep 02 12:12:57 <Mononoke> you have it in config, just look there
Sep 02 12:14:08 <beni_> Mononoke: i search for some file or something
Sep 02 12:14:11 <beni_> not inside the gui
Sep 02 12:16:01 <tomboy64> hmm
Sep 02 12:22:27 <evolux> is there some place i can put a .ipk i compiled?
Sep 02 12:29:57 <Fradeve> evolux: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository
Sep 02 12:34:06 <evolux> Fradeve: thanks
Sep 02 12:34:36 <Fradeve> evolux: you're welcome :)
Sep 02 12:35:18 * hipitihop waves good evening to the residents
Sep 02 12:40:49 <tomboy64> how is it determined whether my freerunner is a usb-network device?
Sep 02 12:40:56 <tomboy64> it's not recognized as such anymore :-|
Sep 02 12:41:11 <tomboy64> but it had worked before
Sep 02 12:42:13 <hipitihop> tomboy64, I find I have to run "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192" on my host
Sep 02 12:42:43 <hipitihop> tomboy64, but I suggest you read the USB networking page on the wiki
Sep 02 12:43:15 <tomboy64> i have done so
Sep 02 12:43:31 <tomboy64> but the ifconfig command tells me "no such device"
Sep 02 12:43:43 <tomboy64> and yes, i did rtfm
Sep 02 12:43:59 <dns53> change to a different distro, one of the kernels a while ago killed usb for me
Sep 02 12:44:23 <tomboy64> mhm
Sep 02 12:45:35 <hipitihop> tomboy64, hmm, what distro ?
Sep 02 12:45:56 <tomboy64> om2008.8
Sep 02 12:46:02 <tomboy64> update
Sep 02 12:47:54 <harzi> while trying loop mounting the qtopia .jffs2-image on my debian workstation i get an error: modprobe mtdram says: Cannot allocate memory and dmesg moans: allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. where to enter that?
Sep 02 12:48:52 <hipitihop> tomboy64, I assume you have done all the obvious things, fresh boot with usb cable disconnected, then connect usb to fr, then try ifconfig
Sep 02 12:49:24 <tomboy64> yes
Sep 02 12:49:39 <tomboy64> i also tried to go back to om2007.2
Sep 02 12:50:22 <lindi-> harzi: as linux command line from boot loader?
Sep 02 12:50:32 <hipitihop> tomboy64, a fresh flash of 2007.2 ?
Sep 02 12:50:39 <harzi> lindi-: ah hm...
Sep 02 12:50:46 <tomboy64> yes
Sep 02 12:51:17 <harzi> lindi-: and where to put what that it remains after every boot
Sep 02 12:51:25 <hipitihop> tomboy64, sorry, have me baffled, almost suggests either something has occured with your usb cable or something going on with your host
Sep 02 12:51:27 <lindi-> harzi: depends on your boot loader
Sep 02 12:51:34 <harzi> lindi-: grub
Sep 02 12:51:48 <lindi-> harzi: it has this menu.lst
Sep 02 12:51:53 <harzi> yes
Sep 02 12:52:07 <lindi-> so there :)
Sep 02 12:52:21 <harzi> ah
Sep 02 12:52:24 <harzi> thanks
Sep 02 12:52:39 <PBeck> ahoi
Sep 02 12:53:59 <quickdev> raster, I'd like to play with e17. What would you advice? Using a stable e16 or svn e17 builds?
Sep 02 12:57:55 <harnir> hello
Sep 02 12:58:01 <CVirus> quickdev: on the freerunner ?
Sep 02 12:58:20 <CVirus> quickdev: or on your pc ?
Sep 02 12:58:24 <quickdev> CVirus, both
Sep 02 12:58:33 <lindi-> i still haven't managed to get the illume keyboard appear on my x86 test system
Sep 02 12:58:52 <lindi-> quickdev: if you do, please let me know how :)
Sep 02 12:58:53 <CVirus> quickdev: for the PC I'd recommend e17 although it wasn't that stable 1 month ago
Sep 02 12:59:11 <CVirus> quickdev: you're gonna love it anyways
Sep 02 13:00:29 <quickdev> CVirus, I downloaded e17 yesterday and got many compile errors. Are there any 'compilable' revisions?
Sep 02 13:00:51 <lindi-> quickdev: you downloaded e17 release or svn?
Sep 02 13:01:08 <beni_> ok, opk upgrade works now.
Sep 02 13:01:16 <beni_> i flashed FSO image of today from bearstech
Sep 02 13:01:30 <beni_> looks like the download.openmoko ones are somehow broken in that term
Sep 02 13:01:34 <quickdev> lindi-, svn e17 source through e17 easy install shell script
Sep 02 13:01:51 <CVirus> quickdev: don't use thse scripts
Sep 02 13:01:54 <CVirus> those*
Sep 02 13:01:57 <lindi-> quickdev: ah, it compiled here but i didn't use a script
Sep 02 13:02:12 <CVirus> quickdev: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_from_Source_Repository
Sep 02 13:02:24 <CVirus> quickdev: do it manually
Sep 02 13:04:34 <quickdev> CVirus, what about: http://e17blog.tuxfamily.org/e17blog_en.php/post/2007/08/22/HowTo-Install-Enlightenment-on-Ubuntu-Gutsy-Gibbon
Sep 02 13:07:57 <CVirus> quickdev: really old
Sep 02 13:08:08 <CVirus> quickdev: compile and install manually
Sep 02 13:08:19 <CVirus> quickdev: you'll get more support on #E if you did so
Sep 02 13:14:15 <hipitihop> anyone know of a good tetris game for the fr
Sep 02 13:18:07 <filthpig> Hi, is it correct that the Trolltech port of Qtopia means you can actually use the freerunner as a phone without worrying about unstability now? The info on the website is kinda limited and seems aimed at people who knows what's going on..
Sep 02 13:19:41 <CVirus> filthpig: I'm sure reliable suspend/resume is not there yet because it's not Qtopia related
Sep 02 13:21:32 <filthpig> CVirus, okay. I can't wait for this phone to actually become ready for the mainstream! I simply can't afford to buy one phone for tinkering and one for normal use..
Sep 02 13:24:08 <_Guhit> qtopia is coming along nicely, but there are still some issues.  I tried it last night, but still can't make calls.
Sep 02 13:30:19 <Mononoke> what does blicking red led mean ?
Sep 02 13:30:41 <Mononoke> *blinking
Sep 02 13:32:01 <harnir> Mononoke: in which distro? ;-)
Sep 02 13:32:53 <Mononoke> om 2008.9 but I'd say something close to kernelpanic
Sep 02 13:33:16 <harnir> yes, when I saw that, it was kernel panic
Sep 02 13:37:10 <md2k7> 2008.8: is it the X server itself showing the "X" (in random size)?
Sep 02 13:37:29 <md2k7> or is that some kind of screensaver? how to turn it off?
Sep 02 13:39:25 <Mononoke> some kind of screensaver and xset s off ?
Sep 02 13:40:02 <md2k7> ah yes, the xset. will try
Sep 02 13:40:32 <white_gecko> hello
Sep 02 13:40:43 <white_gecko> where can i get this keyboard for 2008.8? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/More/Custom_Input_Method_Widgets
Sep 02 13:42:17 <md2k7> isn't that exactly what it says: a *wishlist* ?
Sep 02 13:43:24 <white_gecko> hm
Sep 02 13:43:43 <white_gecko> but this keyboard was in a very early releas
Sep 02 13:44:07 <white_gecko> that one with the nice weal
Sep 02 13:44:17 <white_gecko> at the left bottom corner
Sep 02 13:44:18 <timo2k> and nice super tux ;)
Sep 02 13:47:56 <slaxxin> i installed the latest qtopia last night an when i took it out of suspend  the phone wouldnt call
Sep 02 13:51:44 <md2k7> another small usability (battery saving) issue: what turns on the backlight again on touch?
Sep 02 13:51:58 <md2k7> i would like the screen to stay off when it is locked
Sep 02 13:52:10 <md2k7> (still 2008.8)
Sep 02 13:54:47 <pjz> anyone know how to tell my FR that it's okay to charge the battery? I'm running 2008.8 and it's plugged into USB, but the batt charge icon is showing an empty battery
Sep 02 13:55:11 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd510d88bbd21 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [xserver-kdrive-common] remove splash and vt1 from args
Sep 02 13:55:11 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf52dc92cd09a 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev
Sep 02 13:55:18 <pjz> it was really low so I had to use a spare, charged battery to boot from and then switch to the dead one
Sep 02 13:56:51 <md2k7> mhm, maybe look at the things in: /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073
Sep 02 13:57:08 <pjz> the sysfs stuff says its in fast charge mode and charging, but the icon on the screen doesn't and apm isn't reporting any increase though it's been plugged in for several minutes
Sep 02 13:57:09 <md2k7> altough i don't know whether they are writable too
Sep 02 13:57:26 <md2k7> interesting
Sep 02 13:57:57 <pjz> oh, I take it back, it's charnign just slowly.. went form 10% to 11%
Sep 02 13:58:05 <pjz> okay, so I just need to leave it plugged in for awhile :)
Sep 02 13:58:35 <pjz> though, wow, bizarre, the apm info is scr00d: root@om-gta02:/home/pj/bin# cat /proc/apm
Sep 02 13:58:39 <pjz> 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x01 0x01 11% 65535 mi
Sep 02 13:58:48 <pjz> 65535 minutes? really?
Sep 02 13:59:00 <md2k7> lol
Sep 02 13:59:34 <pjz> yeah, definitely: On-line, battery status low: 12% (45d+12:15:00)
Sep 02 13:59:44 <pjz> 12% will alst 45 days!
Sep 02 14:01:59 <md2k7> the battery pack has a protection circuit, maybe that is active
Sep 02 14:02:10 <md2k7> which i doubt... software is much more likely to be the cause
Sep 02 14:03:09 <slaxxin> try unplugging then replugging the freerunner
Sep 02 14:04:37 <md2k7> so no-one any ideas on how to prevent the backlight turning on when the screen is locked?
Sep 02 14:04:50 <md2k7> maybe i ask in openmoko-cdevel then?
Sep 02 14:16:45 <pjz> slaxxin: if I do that and the batt is dead then the FR will die and Ill have to do the battery-switcheroo thing again
Sep 02 14:18:18 <pjz> md2k7: why/how is it turning on when the screen is locked? 
Sep 02 14:18:29 <pjz> md2k7: you might check the wiki for a way to turn it off
Sep 02 14:18:58 <md2k7> i just figured out it doesn't turn it on when backlight in sysfs is 0. X just dims the actual_brightness
Sep 02 14:19:22 <md2k7> screen is locked = some illume stuff is running with a text "LOCKED" across the screen
Sep 02 14:21:24 <beni_> to compile some edc file, i need cpp??
Sep 02 14:27:13 <beni_> where to get embryo_cc from?
Sep 02 14:34:25 <hipitihop> I'm trying to bring across a pygame game into 2008.8 updated. I have python-pygame installed, hower missing following importd "from OpenGL.GL import *" and "from OpenGL.GLU import *" can someone help ?
Sep 02 14:34:52 <hipitihop> are these available or is there no hope on the fr ?
Sep 02 14:35:40 <pabs3> you probably need to package them, unless you are running Debian
Sep 02 14:36:49 <beni_> is there some packaging howto?
Sep 02 14:39:58 <hipitihop> rwhitby, you about ?
Sep 02 14:40:54 <Torikun> Yo
Sep 02 14:43:15 <hipitihop> pabs3, hmm thanks. beyond me at the moment. Looks like a fair few dependencies http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/documentation/installation.html ahwell, that's for another day. Time for bed
Sep 02 14:45:43 <Torikun> 200808 does not charge now
Sep 02 14:46:00 <Torikun> no responce from pc when plugged in usb
Sep 02 14:58:48 <sledgeas> hello
Sep 02 14:58:56 <white_gecko> hello
Sep 02 14:59:21 <sledgeas> i am getting this error in my laptop once om2008.8 has usb plugged into it:  usb 7-1: device not accepting address 25, error -110
Sep 02 15:00:23 <pabs3> hipitihop: I don't think the FR graphics drivers support OpenGL acceleration do they?
Sep 02 15:02:17 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc218da5fab5 10/packages/images/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image.bb: [openmoko] Remove openmok-qtopia-x11-image
Sep 02 15:02:46 <qknight> huhu
Sep 02 15:02:53 <white_gecko> sledgeas: did you configure the usb net http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart#Set_up_USB-based_networking.2C_SSH_and_update ?
Sep 02 15:03:40 <sledgeas> white_gecko: do you specifically mean this part: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking ?
Sep 02 15:03:45 <sledgeas> yes, i did
Sep 02 15:04:19 <white_gecko> and do you have the kernelmodules?
Sep 02 15:04:21 <white_gecko>     *  CONFIG_USB_USBNET
Sep 02 15:04:22 <white_gecko>     * CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER 
Sep 02 15:04:27 <sledgeas> yes, they are compiled as modules
Sep 02 15:04:35 <sledgeas> but i get no .ko files (strange)
Sep 02 15:04:58 <white_gecko> hm
Sep 02 15:05:00 <white_gecko> are thy loaded?
Sep 02 15:05:02 <sledgeas> i have selected _only_ these kernel options and nothing in their respective sub-options
Sep 02 15:05:15 <white_gecko> yes that is right
Sep 02 15:05:22 <sledgeas> modrobe -l | grep -E "cdc|usbnet" give nothing
Sep 02 15:05:45 <white_gecko> hm
Sep 02 15:06:22 <white_gecko> # modprobe -l | grep -E "cdc|usbnet"
Sep 02 15:06:23 <white_gecko> /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-mactel/kernel/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.ko
Sep 02 15:06:25 <white_gecko> /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-mactel/kernel/drivers/net/usb/cdc_ether.ko
Sep 02 15:06:26 <white_gecko> /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-mactel/kernel/drivers/net/usb/usbnet.ko
Sep 02 15:06:38 <sledgeas> ow now i get it
Sep 02 15:06:51 <sledgeas> for some reason they got compiled as built-in (?!)
Sep 02 15:06:56 <sledgeas> just a min i'll recompile
Sep 02 15:07:13 <white_gecko> k
Sep 02 15:07:13 <sledgeas> and it's better that i put uhci_hcd (for usb) as a module, too?
Sep 02 15:07:26 <white_gecko> i don't know
Sep 02 15:08:13 <sledgeas> because i've seen on the net to get rid of `device descriptor read/64, error -110' re-inserting uhci_hcd.ko was recommended
Sep 02 15:10:39 <white_gecko> i think it is ok to compile it as module
Sep 02 15:11:10 <sledgeas> another thing (it might be because my NAND has some bad blocks for a freshly re-installed om2008.8): as soon as ASU boots, after a sec the screen blanks and if i press POWER, it does not respond (suspend is Off)
Sep 02 15:11:35 <sledgeas> if i press power several times, immediately tapping with finger the screen, it comes back but after a few seconds dims away again
Sep 02 15:12:05 <sledgeas> no matter what i press
Sep 02 15:12:56 <white_gecko> hm you could set suspend in the settings to off
Sep 02 15:13:03 <sledgeas> it's off
Sep 02 15:13:04 <white_gecko> but i think this is a known bug
Sep 02 15:13:07 <sledgeas> that's the weirdest thing
Sep 02 15:13:08 <sledgeas> ah ok
Sep 02 15:13:18 <white_gecko> but i don't know
Sep 02 15:13:29 <white_gecko> i had this bug when i furst tried 2008
Sep 02 15:13:34 <sledgeas> and while charging the RED Led is constantly lit only when the screen is lit (when it gets dimmed after a screensaver(?) symbol of X comes for a half-a sec, the RED led goes off too) -- it means that i charge my moko only whe nscreen is lit, and i have to keep tapping it to get charged?
Sep 02 15:13:37 <white_gecko> but i make daiely updates
Sep 02 15:13:39 <sledgeas> yeap..
Sep 02 15:13:46 <sledgeas> i installed the 20080831 version
Sep 02 15:13:46 <white_gecko> and i think i don't have it anymore
Sep 02 15:14:20 <sledgeas> rite, ok then i'll just deal with USB problem first and then perform some updates ;)
Sep 02 15:14:27 * sledgeas reboot
Sep 02 15:14:29 <white_gecko> ok
Sep 02 15:19:14 <zogs> hi
Sep 02 15:21:13 <Torikun> yo
Sep 02 15:21:37 <Torikun> usb0 is not decteted and I can not reflash from choosing boot to USB from the menu.
Sep 02 15:24:44 <sledgeas> nope, it still gives me constantly this now: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Sep 02 15:24:54 <marcel_m> hipitihop: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pyopengl_3.0.0b5-ml0_armv4t.ipk but its not tested
Sep 02 15:25:18 <sledgeas> cdc_ether usbnet -- as modules, inserted (manually), uhci_hcd - re-inserted -- same stuff (how should i turn FR on? with cable, without?)
Sep 02 15:27:47 <caratorn> hello, I updated with tthe 2008.8 distribution and it now prompts for a root password (no pwd no longer works), anyone had that already?
Sep 02 15:28:55 <Torikun> I can not plugin my phone and charge it . USB0 is not detected. I can not boot to USB to flash my firmware. Any ideas?
Sep 02 15:28:57 <sylar91> hi, I need help, somebody could help me please? I can't unmount an sd under om
Sep 02 15:30:33 <Torikun> my issue is solved, nm
Sep 02 15:30:34 <sylar91> noone?
Sep 02 15:30:42 <Torikun> sylar91: what is the error
Sep 02 15:30:48 <sylar91> it is budy
Sep 02 15:31:03 <sylar91> I'm trying to install qtopia on sd but I can't format the sd
Sep 02 15:31:12 <Torikun> what is the rrror
Sep 02 15:31:19 <Torikun> and how are you formatting it
Sep 02 15:31:39 <white_gecko_> my network was down
Sep 02 15:31:46 <sylar91> I'm followine the guide on thw wifi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card
Sep 02 15:31:53 <white_gecko_> sledgeas: how are you and youre FR?
Sep 02 15:31:54 <Torikun> what is your dam error
Sep 02 15:31:59 <Torikun> please tell us what is going on
Sep 02 15:32:05 <sledgeas> white just replied :
Sep 02 15:32:05 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# umount /dev/mmcblk0p1
Sep 02 15:32:06 <sylar91> umount: /media/card: device is busy
Sep 02 15:32:06 <sylar91> umount: /media/card: device is busy
Sep 02 15:32:07 <sledgeas> nope, it still gives me constantly this now: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Sep 02 15:32:09 <sledgeas> cdc_ether usbnet -- as modules, inserted (manually), uhci_hcd - re-inserted -- same stuff (how should i turn FR on? with cable, without?)
Sep 02 15:32:33 <white_gecko_> hm
Sep 02 15:32:54 <white_gecko_> for me both works with and without
Sep 02 15:33:13 <Fradeve> someone knows the command to make appear the GUI to insert SIM PIN? I'm using 2008.08-update and it won't appear so I'm unable to log my SIM into GSM network.... :(
Sep 02 15:33:14 <Tanuva> eh. lol. my neo's ringing, but zhone doesn't show the incoming-screen... >.<
Sep 02 15:33:57 <sledgeas> :/
Sep 02 15:34:03 <sylar91> ehi somebody could help me plz^?
Sep 02 15:37:32 <darkjames> sylar91, try fuser -v -m /media/card
Sep 02 15:37:58 <sylar91> fuser: unsupported option 'v'
Sep 02 15:38:31 <sylar91> ...
Sep 02 15:38:47 <darkjames> sad. so without -v, and then use ps to get name of these process which are using your /media/card
Sep 02 15:38:55 <darkjames> if they're not important, you kill them.
Sep 02 15:39:28 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# fuser -m /media/card   
Sep 02 15:39:29 <sylar91> 1510 1543 1548 1560 
Sep 02 15:40:28 <darkjames> and now ps u -p 1510,1543,1548,1560
Sep 02 15:41:01 <sylar91> root      1510  4.1  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   23:01   1:17 [qpe] <defunct>
Sep 02 15:41:02 <sylar91> root      1543  0.3  9.5  47592 11792 ?        S    23:03   0:05 /opt/Qtopia/bin
Sep 02 15:41:02 <sylar91> root      1548  0.3  8.1  45124 10060 ?        SN   23:03   0:06 /opt/Qtopia/bin
Sep 02 15:41:02 <sylar91> root      1560  0.3  8.1  45124 10060 ?        SN   23:04   0:06 /opt/Qtopia/bin
Sep 02 15:41:46 <sylar91> I killed those processes but the device is already busy..
Sep 02 15:42:28 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# fuser -m /dev/mmcblk0p1 
Sep 02 15:42:29 <sylar91> 1 410 1237 1278 1284 1297 1304 1305 1313 1314 1315 1319 1327 1331 1335 1337 1343 1348 1350 1361 1370 1379 1382 1406 1423 1434 1449 1450 1451 1456 1459 1464 1468 1472 1476 1481 1507 1509 1512 1525 1526 1527 1528 1551 1552 1565 1566 
Sep 02 15:42:37 <darkjames> senseless.
Sep 02 15:42:49 <sylar91> oO
Sep 02 15:42:53 <darkjames> i think you didn't kill qpe <defunct> process.
Sep 02 15:43:05 <sylar91> yes...
Sep 02 15:43:08 <darkjames> of course you could do lazy umount.
Sep 02 15:43:18 <darkjames> I don't know, sorry.
Sep 02 15:43:28 <sylar91> kill 1 is a problem?
Sep 02 15:43:43 <darkjames> why you want to kill init?
Sep 02 15:44:12 <sylar91> because it is in the list 
Sep 02 15:44:27 <edistar> lol
Sep 02 15:44:49 <darkjames> fuser -m /dev/mmcblk0p1 it's senseless command, it gives you info what is using /dev directory.
Sep 02 15:44:50 <sylar91> XD what I can do? oO
Sep 02 15:45:08 <sylar91> doh... so why it is yet busy? oo
Sep 02 15:45:28 <darkjames> because of: root      1510  4.1  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   23:01   1:17 [qpe] <defunct> ?
Sep 02 15:45:54 <sylar91> no...
Sep 02 15:46:01 <Fradeve> someone knows the command to make appear the GUI to insert SIM PIN? I'm using 2008.08-update and it won't appear so I'm unable to log my SIM into GSM network.... :(
Sep 02 15:46:06 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# fuser /media/card
Sep 02 15:46:06 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# 
Sep 02 15:46:13 <darkjames> fuser -m /media/card
Sep 02 15:46:18 <darkjames> -m is important.
Sep 02 15:46:39 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# fuser -m /media/card
Sep 02 15:46:40 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# 
Sep 02 15:46:42 <sylar91> still no output
Sep 02 15:46:51 <edistar> sylar91: what are you trying?
Sep 02 15:46:57 <darkjames> and you can't still umount /media/card ?
Sep 02 15:46:59 <sylar91> to unmount the sd
Sep 02 15:47:08 <sylar91> root@om-gta02:~# umount /media/card 
Sep 02 15:47:08 <sylar91> umount: /media/card: device is busy
Sep 02 15:47:08 <sylar91> umount: /media/card: device is busy
Sep 02 15:47:33 <edistar> I just did a ps ax | grep qpe and killed that process
Sep 02 15:47:50 <darkjames> lazy umount is tempting.
Sep 02 15:47:50 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r3fa1c28dad0d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] add gzip as some stuff like CPAN needs a real gzip
Sep 02 15:47:50 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb458f224af5e 10/packages/images/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev
Sep 02 15:48:49 <sylar91> I kill qpe but the process restats automatically...
Sep 02 16:04:11 <OMBugsBot> [Bug] #1954: Sound of clicks on locked screen. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1954 )
Sep 02 16:31:55 <momelod> hello channel. 
Sep 02 16:32:41 <momelod> is it possible to run the openmoko os on my laptop? haven't got the hardware yet.. trying to decide between iPhone and openmoko..
Sep 02 16:32:54 <momelod> ..and i would like to try it out first
Sep 02 16:33:14 <phrozen77> qemu?
Sep 02 16:33:17 <Torikun> qemu
Sep 02 16:33:18 <Torikun> yes
Sep 02 16:33:29 <Torikun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU
Sep 02 16:34:48 <AntonTakk> momelod: keep in mind that running under qemu does not represent how fast the software will run on the phone
Sep 02 16:34:57 <Torikun> probably faster under qemu
Sep 02 16:34:57 <Torikun> lol
Sep 02 16:35:02 <AntonTakk> yeah
Sep 02 16:35:04 <AntonTakk> hehe
Sep 02 16:35:25 <Torikun> does the installer work on the current images?
Sep 02 16:35:50 <AntonTakk> soon as i finish splitting out my functions and cleaning up my code I can make a real start on a gui
Sep 02 16:35:56 <AntonTakk> :)
Sep 02 16:36:27 <AntonTakk> with luck I may be asking for docs on making an ipk by dinner  
Sep 02 16:37:09 <AntonTakk> that or distributing a tarball with a simple build and install script to be run on the phone directly  :)
Sep 02 16:37:22 <momelod> im running linux, do i still need qemu?
Sep 02 16:37:40 <AntonTakk> momelod: no, but it'd probably be easier
Sep 02 16:37:47 <momelod> thanx
Sep 02 16:46:10 <Torikun> The phone goes into suspend even after I turn suspend to off
Sep 02 16:46:54 <sicu> AntonTakk: here's how to package for qtopia: http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner#comments
Sep 02 16:47:23 <sicu> it might come in handy depending on the distro you're developing for
Sep 02 17:07:13 <af0815> i have a question about activating TangoGPS on a FreeRunner
Sep 02 17:07:30 <ShellEvil> Turn it on, then run very fast before the FR detonates.
Sep 02 17:07:39 <ShellEvil> When the whine goes ultrasonic, it goes bang.
Sep 02 17:08:17 <johnsu01> No, that's the speakerphone
Sep 02 17:08:33 <johnsu01> (which for me emits an ear-splitting noise)
Sep 02 17:08:54 <johnsu01> I have not waited long enough to see if it detonates yet though
Sep 02 17:10:20 <af0815> it is not a dangerous thing, it only a mobil
Sep 02 17:11:38 <Torikun> Anyone having standby issues with the free runner?
Sep 02 17:11:48 <Torikun> I tell it to not suspend and it does
Sep 02 17:11:59 <CVirus> that's a known issue
Sep 02 17:12:11 <Torikun> it worked good before I installed todays firmware
Sep 02 17:12:13 <CVirus> check the list
Sep 02 17:13:10 <Torikun> I have to use debian to charge my phone now
Sep 02 17:16:40 <momelod> having issues compiling qemu as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU.  My build environment is gcc-4.2, and that qemu-gcc4.patch doesn't work for me.. all it says is it can't find the files to patch
Sep 02 17:20:26 <morricone> af0815, ever seen a battery exploding?
Sep 02 17:20:43 <af0815> yes
Sep 02 17:21:01 <bipak_> hopefully not the on of the freerunner
Sep 02 17:21:04 <bipak_> one
Sep 02 17:27:36 <sigi> hi
Sep 02 17:28:22 <sigi> I got my freerunner today and flashed todays om rootfs and kernel onto it
Sep 02 17:29:02 <sigi> So far so good but the only icon on the "home"-screen is settings and when I click this nothing happens
Sep 02 17:29:35 <sigi> how can I enter the terminal?
Sep 02 17:32:29 <jamasi> for most plesant experiance: via usb, pc and ssh.
Sep 02 17:33:02 <momelod> if im not a developer, can i still use the freerunner for daily use?
Sep 02 17:33:08 <momelod> or should i just stay away?
Sep 02 17:34:06 <wurp2|working> momelod: Do you have linux admin experience?
Sep 02 17:34:24 <CVirus> momelod: I'd recommend that you stay away
Sep 02 17:34:30 <jamasi> if you're very skilled with linux and a frequent user of the shell, then you can give the freerunner a try.
Sep 02 17:34:43 <CVirus> momelod: it's not suitable for daily use
Sep 02 17:35:04 <wurp2|working> CVirus: I use the gta01 for my daily use ;-)
Sep 02 17:35:18 <wurp2|working> Of course, I also miss a fair amount of my calls
Sep 02 17:36:05 <jamasi> is there anything to the romour, that there might be a renewed model of the GTA2 for xmas sale?
Sep 02 17:36:12 <momelod> i only ever use linux
Sep 02 17:36:12 <jamasi> *rumor
Sep 02 17:36:20 <momelod> no windows or macos
Sep 02 17:36:25 <momelod> unless im forced too
Sep 02 17:36:53 <CVirus> jamasi: where did you read that ?
Sep 02 17:37:08 <momelod> thing is that my boss wants me to trade in my blackberry for an iphone.  and i dont want either of those b/c they dont work with linux
Sep 02 17:37:53 <jamasi> I think I saw sb. mentioning this either here or on the ML back then when the gps/sd-card bug or the glamo was discussed
Sep 02 17:37:55 <CVirus> momelod: the FreeRunner is NOT suitable for daily use
Sep 02 17:38:24 <cjb> yet some of us do so anyway :)
Sep 02 17:38:44 <CVirus> I'll do so
Sep 02 17:39:32 <ssweeny> it's suitable if you don't care about having a reliable phone
Sep 02 17:39:55 <GuraX> does somebody knows if there will be UMTS support in the next GTA?
Sep 02 17:40:49 <mjr> there will not
Sep 02 17:41:25 <ShellEvil> GuraX: everyone wants faster IP access.
Sep 02 17:41:34 <wurp2|working> momelod: If you install either of the FSO milestones on the FreeRunner, it should be quite stable, and suitable for daily use, if a little feature light.
Sep 02 17:42:05 <wurp2|working> CVirus: Do you know a reason why Milestone 2 wouldn't be suitable for daily use?
Sep 02 17:42:35 <ShellEvil> GuraX: unfortunately for various reasons, there are problems finding suitable chipsets.
Sep 02 17:42:57 <GuraX> that's boring !!
Sep 02 17:43:10 <ShellEvil> GuraX: fact is often boring.
Sep 02 17:56:17 <joss> does openmoko have 5v battery?
Sep 02 17:56:25 <ShellEvil> no
Sep 02 17:56:32 <ShellEvil> Lithium.
Sep 02 17:57:42 <joss> ShellEvil: ok how many volts, i just do not seem to understand how this usb port is powered:(
Sep 02 17:57:55 <ShellEvil> a converter
Sep 02 17:57:58 <joss> ShellEvil: it needs 5v to operate yes?
Sep 02 17:58:06 <ShellEvil> it outputs 5V from the battery voltage
Sep 02 17:58:06 <ShellEvil> no
Sep 02 17:58:39 <joss> ShellEvil: usb does not need 5v?
Sep 02 17:58:47 <ShellEvil> Yes, USB needs 5V
Sep 02 17:58:56 <ShellEvil> this does not mean the battery is 5V
Sep 02 17:59:12 <joss> uh, so the battery does not have to be 5v itself?
Sep 02 17:59:23 <paroneayea> oh yeah, my $6 2gb microsd card arrived :D
Sep 02 17:59:24 <ShellEvil> Any more than the engine going at 3000RPM in a car means that the wheels go round at 3000
Sep 02 17:59:25 <ShellEvil> RPM
Sep 02 17:59:29 <paroneayea> time to upgrade my debians
Sep 02 17:59:38 <RayDar> time to upgrade my lesbians
Sep 02 17:59:54 * ShellEvil passes RayDar a cup.
Sep 02 18:00:04 <joss> ShellEvil: ok nice example, how big is suhc converter?
Sep 02 18:00:12 <ShellEvil> joss: small
Sep 02 18:00:21 <ShellEvil> joss: several mm^2 of board area
Sep 02 18:00:24 <RayDar> We're gonna need a bigger cup!
Sep 02 18:04:42 <RayDar> ally jus the sms retrieval during suspend/resume
Sep 02 18:04:42 <RayDar> <malik1972> lpotter: no eco thing? who says that
Sep 02 18:04:48 <RayDar> do
Sep 02 18:04:49 <joss> ShellEvil: 2mm thick?
Sep 02 18:04:49 <RayDar> doh
Sep 02 18:04:58 <ShellEvil> joss: what are you really asking?
Sep 02 18:05:21 <RayDar> My mouse is malfunctioning. I have a new one on order.
Sep 02 18:05:29 <RayDar> I thought I read somewhere about a fix for turning off the internal speakers when the headphone is inserted.
Sep 02 18:07:00 <joss> ShellEvil: this converter, that seems interesting..
Sep 02 18:07:13 <gromgull> Is there any way to debug gsm stuff with qpe like you can with libgsmd-tool?
Sep 02 18:07:22 <ShellEvil> joss: maxim-ic.com national.com ti.com all have similar chips. It's not really.
Sep 02 18:07:57 <RayDar> Has anyone got a video to play with the media player in Qtopia?
Sep 02 18:07:59 <joss> ShellEvil: do not know why those external chargers are so big then, when one could just add a converter from 3.7v battery:(
Sep 02 18:08:39 <joss> ShellEvil: why they feed 4aa's always then
Sep 02 18:13:53 <ShellEvil> what external chargers?
Sep 02 18:13:53 <ShellEvil> What do you mean?
Sep 02 18:14:40 <joss> ShellEvil: external battery packs
Sep 02 18:15:04 <joss> ShellEvil: why wont they run from 0.5v battery with converter attached then?
Sep 02 18:15:33 <joss> and be like 10mmx5mmx2:)
Sep 02 18:18:37 <RayDar> is the GSM modem /dev/ttySAC0 ?
Sep 02 18:19:04 <mjr> joss, you're making wild assumptions based on very little
Sep 02 18:19:30 <mmontour> RayDar: yes
Sep 02 18:19:35 <joss> mjr: yeah it seems
Sep 02 18:19:42 <joss> :)
Sep 02 18:20:06 <joss> mjr: just do not know how to find a way to make a small externel battery instead of those big ones
Sep 02 18:20:48 <ShellEvil> joss: power density
Sep 02 18:22:11 <ShellEvil> joss: a 2.2Ah 3.6V battery is 18mm diameter by 65mm. This will supply 5V at 0.5A through a converter for about a couple of hours.
Sep 02 18:22:45 <mjr> joss, found a nanomaterials research startup 
Sep 02 18:23:02 <joss> mjr: as this channel:)?
Sep 02 18:23:24 <ShellEvil> mjr: not relevant to current tech
Sep 02 18:24:09 <mjr> but we wanted better than current, yes? :]
Sep 02 18:24:14 <joss> ShellEvil: 850mah 3.6v battery?
Sep 02 18:24:34 <ShellEvil> joss: could you explain what you want?
Sep 02 18:24:49 <joss> ShellEvil: anyways you are trying to say that with converter usb just runs slower?
Sep 02 18:24:59 <paroneayea> hell, let's make a battery that's a couple of wires connected to a bag of holding.  Except the bag of holding's dimension isn't a dimension of limitless storage, but rather of limitless energy
Sep 02 18:25:01 <ShellEvil> joss: no
Sep 02 18:25:03 <paroneayea> technology of the future :D
Sep 02 18:25:57 <mmontour> joss: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/917b/
Sep 02 18:27:04 <paroneayea> mmontour: ooh
Sep 02 18:27:04 <joss> mmontour: big as hell, i do not know why, this serial3x has battery integrated from aircable, is not that big at all
Sep 02 18:27:06 <paroneayea> that's neat
Sep 02 18:28:06 <ShellEvil> joss: what do you want?
Sep 02 18:28:11 <Kiantis> quite off channel, but... new debian release name after lenny: squeeze
Sep 02 18:28:56 <joss> ShellEvil: that serial3x to be feeding an usb modem, not possible, so i need some smaller battery that feeds usb gadget, that fits to pocket:)
Sep 02 18:29:16 <ShellEvil> joss: the FR can power external devices
Sep 02 18:29:18 <joss> someone said, that serial has no powerlines , thus wont pass enery to usb one
Sep 02 18:30:05 <joss> ShellEvil: what is it?
Sep 02 18:30:14 <ShellEvil> joss: freerunner
Sep 02 18:30:26 <joss> i am not a technician
Sep 02 18:30:36 <ShellEvil> joss: sorry - you've not explained what you're trying to do. 
Sep 02 18:30:46 <ShellEvil> what serial3x - what is it?
Sep 02 18:30:55 <mmontour> ShellEvil: http://www.aircable.net/serial3x.html
Sep 02 18:31:08 <mmontour> (at least I assume that's what he's talking about)
Sep 02 18:31:27 <joss> ShellEvil: it should be battery powered wireless gadget, that takes usb connection, and can communicate with FR
Sep 02 18:31:34 <ShellEvil> joss: ah.
Sep 02 18:31:59 <ShellEvil> joss: there are several ones from dealextreme that I pointed you at that aren't too large.
Sep 02 18:34:33 <joss> ShellEvil: heh, even then it wouldn't work, since the usb gadget red brown pins will be ocupied by serial3x
Sep 02 18:34:43 <joss> http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0652  thinnest i have found, still big as hell
Sep 02 18:38:26 <joss> mmontour: you get what i am trying to find out?
Sep 02 18:39:18 <joss> mmontour: that is powering that usb gadget with some decent sized little battery, and talk to the device via bluetooth, as it will be cdma modem anyways
Sep 02 18:41:01 <ShellEvil> joss: commercial ones are around that size.
Sep 02 18:41:02 <mmontour> joss: I don't know if you'll find anything commercially available that's smaller than the devices that people have linked to. You might be able to buy one, rip out its active circuitry, and connect it to a smaller battery. Just be very careful when charging lithium batteries
Sep 02 18:41:58 <ShellEvil> joss: I could make you one for about $60 that'd be 20mm dia * 80mm long, and power the modem for at least 3-4 hours.
Sep 02 18:42:10 <ShellEvil> joss: but commercially available is less dense.
Sep 02 18:43:40 <joss> ShellEvil: ok how thick?
Sep 02 18:43:54 <ShellEvil> 20mm diameter * 80mm long a cylinder
Sep 02 18:43:58 <joss> 3.7 battery seems like 2mm
Sep 02 18:44:04 <ShellEvil> Err - no
Sep 02 18:44:12 <ShellEvil> It's not - not for ones with any capacity at all
Sep 02 18:44:34 <ShellEvil> You are looking at - at absolute best 200Wh/l
Sep 02 18:45:22 <ShellEvil> so if you want to run 2.5W (USB max) for 5 hours, you need (2.5*5)/200 l of battery
Sep 02 18:45:49 <RayDar> I sure can't seem to get the GPRS working on this neo1972, with Qtopia
Sep 02 18:46:03 <sicu> this is a neat tiny external battery pack: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/962e/
Sep 02 18:46:37 <sicu> just what the doctor ordered
Sep 02 18:46:40 <joss> sicu: yeah yeah thanks, marked it down
Sep 02 18:47:02 <joss> ShellEvil: nothing that i understand , do like this 0x0x0mm:)
Sep 02 18:47:52 <ShellEvil> joss: To run it for 5 hours, you need (2.5*5)/200 = .062l = 62cc
Sep 02 18:48:00 <ShellEvil> joss: and that's only the battery
Sep 02 18:48:30 <ShellEvil> Or an 8cm*8cm battery 1cm thick
Sep 02 18:48:36 <joss> ShellEvil: ok, but how big would that be?
Sep 02 18:48:40 <joss> the size
Sep 02 18:50:56 <joss> ShellEvil: oh tired for today, you mean one alcaline battery?
Sep 02 18:51:50 <ShellEvil> joss: no - a lithium-ion one
Sep 02 18:52:17 <joss> ok, you could make one then i guess
Sep 02 18:52:28 <joss> but provide it's measures all measures please
Sep 02 18:52:46 <joss> 80mm long 20mm with and xx?
Sep 02 18:52:52 <ShellEvil> Or an 8cm*8cm battery 1cm thick
Sep 02 18:52:53 <joss> 2mm diameter sorry
Sep 02 18:55:08 <ShellEvil> The point is that you need a moderately physically large battery to run the modem for any time.
Sep 02 18:55:48 <ShellEvil> From 8*8*1cm to 4*8*1cm, depending on assumptions, for 5h
Sep 02 18:57:59 <joss> ShellEvil: yeah that is the deal, nokia lions are like 2mm thick
Sep 02 18:58:12 <ShellEvil> joss: where do you get this idea?
Sep 02 18:58:15 <ShellEvil> joss: they're not.
Sep 02 18:58:25 <joss> i am holding one
Sep 02 18:58:36 <joss> bl-5v 3.7v
Sep 02 18:58:38 <ShellEvil> Most nokia batteries are not 2mm thick.
Sep 02 18:59:08 <joss> so 3.7v does not suite powering this usb thingy?
Sep 02 18:59:49 <mjr> AAARGH
Sep 02 18:59:53 <mmontour> 3.7V is too low to power a USB device
Sep 02 18:59:56 <mjr> (never mind me)
Sep 02 19:00:31 <joss> yeah: then better is to buy too phones allready
Sep 02 19:00:48 <Gast_151_> hi
Sep 02 19:01:13 <joss> mjr: this wildness i do not understand mostly, what that converter does, i guess that just wouldn't work without other chipsets that FR has:)
Sep 02 19:01:22 <ShellEvil> I suggest you go and get a ruler. 2mm sounds unlikely.
Sep 02 19:02:11 <ShellEvil> Unless it's much wider than other nokia batteries.
Sep 02 19:03:02 <joss> ShellEvil: 1cm is that 6v battery or 9v battery from usbcell
Sep 02 19:03:28 <ShellEvil> do you mean bl-5c?
Sep 02 19:03:34 <joss> http://www.usbcell.com/product/5
Sep 02 19:03:54 <ShellEvil> neither
Sep 02 19:04:06 <ShellEvil> Those are stupidly low capacity
Sep 02 19:04:16 <joss> this one, bl-5c is something similar to this http://www.usbcell.com/product/6
Sep 02 19:04:36 <ShellEvil> the bl-5c is around _8_ mm
Sep 02 19:04:38 <ShellEvil> thick
Sep 02 19:04:55 <ShellEvil> I suggest you go and look up what 'mm' means.
Sep 02 19:05:04 <joss> ShellEvil: uuh, ok
Sep 02 19:05:09 <joss> :)
Sep 02 19:05:53 <ShellEvil> 5.6 even - now I measure one.
Sep 02 19:07:46 <joss> ShellEvil: where did you get one?
Sep 02 19:09:39 <joss> i think it's 40mmx20mmx3mm something like that
Sep 02 19:10:00 <joss> do not have a ruler though
Sep 02 19:11:40 <joss> BL-5C battery which measures 53 x 33.8 x 5.6 mm
Sep 02 19:11:51 <joss> yeah right, little off
Sep 02 19:12:07 <joss> so your one would be 80x80x10?
Sep 02 19:14:42 <SpeedEvil> It depends on assumptions,.
Sep 02 19:15:00 <SpeedEvil> It may be half that - depending on the sort of battery. That was just an example.
Sep 02 19:15:10 <SpeedEvil> And the modem may use less power.
Sep 02 19:16:10 <joss> SpeedEvil: half of that would be nokias battery, which i will buy from you two even if you make such:)
Sep 02 19:17:39 <SpeedEvil> 80*40*1cm is considerably larger than the nokia battery. It's also storing a _lot_ more power
Sep 02 19:18:28 <joss> SpeedEvil: so you can not make it as nokias size?
Sep 02 19:20:12 <SpeedEvil> joss: The smaller it is - the less time it would support the modem.
Sep 02 19:21:07 <joss> SpeedEvil: i know, but i think i would use it like 1hour a day, just gprs prices for such surfing are way too high here
Sep 02 19:21:10 <SpeedEvil> Also, I'm not very interested in getting in to making one-offs like this, sorry.
Sep 02 19:21:19 <SpeedEvil> 1/5th of the volume, 1/5th of the up-time
Sep 02 19:21:41 <SpeedEvil> Why not just plug it into the FR?
Sep 02 19:21:48 <snp_> Hello there, with the 2008.8 rel and with the latest qtopia 4.3.2 what would be a battery life for a daily usage(just an estimate)?
Sep 02 19:23:25 <joss> SpeedEvil: dunno, seems a bit wird then, to hold the device, i thought i can plug in the modem from other pocket , or smth like that
Sep 02 19:23:58 <joss> SpeedEvil: so it is really possible to do a little battery that would last little also?
Sep 02 19:24:09 <joss> and pass 5v
Sep 02 19:24:36 <SpeedEvil> Yes. The problem is that tehre are annoying bits to making it relible and actually workable.
Sep 02 19:25:16 <SpeedEvil> It's got to charge properly from a USB port, which is not trivial, automatically stop discharging when the battery gets too flat, to avoid damaging, make a one-off case for it, ...
Sep 02 19:25:49 <SpeedEvil> Easy if you're making 10K, not so easy if you're making one.
Sep 02 19:26:14 <joss> SpeedEvil: :) ok so it just isn't that easy
Sep 02 19:26:15 <mmontour> It would be simpler if you don't need charging circuitry (i.e. if you're willing to charge the batteries in an external charger)
Sep 02 19:27:23 <Blastur> hey SpeedEvil
Sep 02 19:27:40 <Blastur> is it possible to buy your helicopter thingie in parts yet?
Sep 02 19:27:42 <joss> mmontour: you guys kind a think that you assamble such battery from peaces not using an allready existing 3.7v?
Sep 02 19:28:04 <alx___> someone would be interested by a way to load geocaching.com locs into tangogps?
Sep 02 19:28:20 <alx___> I'm dev a script, just to know want to betatest when finish
Sep 02 19:28:26 <joss> mmontour: get's little too complicated, i satisfied with this usbcell one nokia look a like, that can be attached to usb port, when it is empty
Sep 02 19:29:56 <SpeedEvil> Blastur: I will never be selling it in parts, only assembled as a finished product.
Sep 02 19:31:21 <joss> SpeedEvil: so you wont make batteries for me yes?
Sep 02 19:32:41 <mmontour> joss: the better question to ask (for SpeedEvil or somebody else) is "what would it cost for you to make me a ..." 
Sep 02 19:33:02 <mmontour> where the "..." includes things like how much current your device requires, what size of battery you want to power it from, etc.
Sep 02 19:33:07 <joss> mmontour: which is exactly whay i am asking
Sep 02 19:34:36 <joss> http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:l_psRJ04xBcJ:www.tribase.cz/drivers/adsl_cdma/cdma_anydata_ADU_E100H/Easy%2520Wireless%2520Net%2520Manual(English).pdf+anydata+usb+modem+batteries&hl=et&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ee
Sep 02 19:35:04 <joss> this one for isntance, that luckily has batteries as well, but others might not have
Sep 02 19:35:30 <joss> mmontour: some arbitary usb belutooth wireless adapter, since this one would pass power ahead also
Sep 02 19:39:20 <joss> mmontour: its battery is also 4.2v lio-on not 5v, weird
Sep 02 19:41:16 <joss> ok ShellEvil: batteries for this one for instance http://www.iogear.com/support/manual/GBU221P.pdf
Sep 02 19:41:44 <mmontour> The voltage of a single lithium-ion cell depends on how fully charged it is. Fully charged will be about 4.2, down to below 3.7 as it discharges
Sep 02 19:43:10 <joss> mmontour: i myself just do not understand, how they make it always pass 5v that's it, and i can not make these batteries cause i do not know how
Sep 02 19:44:11 <joss> and i also do not know how to solder the batterie connectors to that adapters dc input, perhaps radioshack has some converters
Sep 02 19:44:25 <joss> since that can not be charged via usb port, that is occupied 
Sep 02 19:44:32 <harnir> hello
Sep 02 19:45:17 <mmontour> joss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter explains the theory. I don't expect you to build it yourself, but you can at least define your problem clearly enough that someone with the necessary skills can give you a price quote (or explain why it's impossible to build what you want)
Sep 02 19:45:36 <mmontour> E.g. for that first device it specifies a max current of 800mA at 5V
Sep 02 19:46:29 <mmontour> Someone could build a circuit to supply this from a Nokia BL-5C, but it would drain the battery quite quickly
Sep 02 19:48:49 <joss> mmontour: tired for today, need to eat something,well 3hours is not that quick for me
Sep 02 19:51:55 <RayDar> Is the battery life better on the FR than on the neo1973?
Sep 02 19:52:27 <cjb> it has a larger battery
Sep 02 19:52:46 <RayDar> OH. I thought it was the same capacity battery in the FR.
Sep 02 19:53:20 <mmontour> cjb: they're both 1200 mAh.
Sep 02 19:53:24 <cjb> oh.  huh.
Sep 02 19:53:38 <mmontour> At one point the FR specs said 1700 mAh, but that didn't happen
Sep 02 19:53:42 <sledgeas> hello oh the salvators of the troubled ones!
Sep 02 19:53:55 <RayDar> 1800 mAh would be schweet
Sep 02 19:56:43 <sledgeas> i cannot seem to get rid of this problem: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 .. i have all modules (cdc_ether, usbnet) etc (ttyACM0 works perfect), newest om2008.8 of todays (same about the testing kernel)
Sep 02 20:07:31 <Daenyth|Work> How can I control the power from CLI? turn wifi/gps/bluetooth/gsm on/off?
Sep 02 20:07:39 <Daenyth|Work> like the menu I get if I hold power
Sep 02 20:07:49 <ShellEvil> echo 0/1 >/sys/foo
Sep 02 20:07:52 <ShellEvil> typically
Sep 02 20:07:54 <Daenyth|Work> aha
Sep 02 20:08:03 <Daenyth|Work> just gotta find the right entries?
Sep 02 20:08:08 <ShellEvil> yes - the wiki has links
Sep 02 20:08:11 <Daenyth|Work> thanks
Sep 02 20:08:18 <Daenyth|Work> I'll look into it when I have a bit more time
Sep 02 20:08:26 <Daenyth|Work> and maybe I'll write a script to frontend it :)
Sep 02 20:08:28 <Daenyth|Work> later
Sep 02 20:08:42 <joss> ShellEvil: how are you typing with it ? it lacks qwerty as i have seen?
Sep 02 20:08:49 <joss> ShellEvil: ts keyboard?
Sep 02 20:09:05 <ShellEvil> joss: I'm not at the moment, using pc
Sep 02 20:09:36 <joss> ShellEvil: no your example, it involves echoing, how should he do it?
Sep 02 20:09:44 <ShellEvil> ssh in
Sep 02 20:10:00 <ShellEvil> or use onboard keyboard
Sep 02 20:10:18 <joss> ShellEvil: freerunner has built-in keyboard?
Sep 02 20:10:27 <ShellEvil> the touchscreen versions
Sep 02 20:11:14 <joss> ShellEvil: ok, how about that battery then, what price?
Sep 02 20:11:21 <joss> batteries 
Sep 02 20:11:42 <ShellEvil> joss: Designing and building one simply isn't really worth it.
Sep 02 20:12:39 <joss> ShellEvil: yeah i agree, two, but still, especially if none anyways interested in the future of that small battery:(
Sep 02 20:13:08 <joss> should get two phones, i do not know, why they do not make, all cdma freqs and all gsm freqs qwerty phone
Sep 02 20:13:15 <joss> should be possible, seeing those chip charts
Sep 02 20:13:56 <joss> asp-505 does 450/800 cdma, no keyboard, no gsm
Sep 02 20:23:09 <mmaestri> a little offtopic, but...anyone heard about chromium?
Sep 02 20:23:59 <wurp2|working> The video game?
Sep 02 20:25:13 <mmaestri> google browser. windows version is out, linux version is coming
Sep 02 20:25:34 <wurp2|working> mmaestri: I think that's just Chrome
Sep 02 20:26:21 <mmaestri> yes, i was confusing the actual web browser with the project code name
Sep 02 20:27:17 <Torikun> anyone going to the openmoko meeting in San Francisco tonight?
Sep 02 20:38:54 <tg> hi
Sep 02 20:39:17 <lindi-> Torikun: san francisco is too far away from finland  :)
Sep 02 20:44:53 <piksi> will there be a GTA02v6 or anything similar soon for freerunner and has the power saving been improved from the one day said in the wiki?
Sep 02 20:45:05 <piksi> can anyone tell their experiences of battery life with qtopia?
Sep 02 20:45:18 <ShellEvil> piksi-: not really
Sep 02 20:45:28 <ShellEvil> piksi-: battery life is very much a work in progress.
Sep 02 20:45:29 <johnsu01> piksi: Battery life is pretty poor on Qtopia, but basically usable
Sep 02 20:45:49 <ShellEvil> Various images may or may not have slightly better or worse battery life.
Sep 02 20:46:04 <johnsu01> piksi: definitely a lot less than a full day of minimal use
Sep 02 20:46:11 <ShellEvil> The stuff that would enable actual decent battery life on any image have not yet been implemented.
Sep 02 20:46:13 <piksi> uh
Sep 02 20:46:19 <mmontour> GTA02v6 already exists (minor pcb/hardware changes from v5). 
Sep 02 20:46:28 <piksi> sorry, i meant GTA02v7
Sep 02 20:46:35 <piksi> i've read some rumour posts in the mailing list
Sep 02 20:46:42 <ShellEvil> (decent = 20h mp3, 5-6 hours talk, a week standby
Sep 02 20:46:58 <ShellEvil> The current hardware can do much better in terms of battery life.
Sep 02 20:47:02 <mmontour> I haven't heard anything recent about v7
Sep 02 20:47:14 <ShellEvil> VEry little of the required software is implemented.
Sep 02 20:47:21 <rafael2k> hi there
Sep 02 20:47:29 <RayDar> ShellEvil: Hehehe: It is currently far below that. It is basically not usable as a main phone. I have faith that will one day change.
Sep 02 20:47:39 <piksi> ShellEvil: that's great. then i'll just have to wait and adopt it when it's close to the decent
Sep 02 20:48:19 <rafael2k> hi there! do anyone knows any solution for secure (cryptografy) conversation for cell-phone (using openmoko or not)?
Sep 02 20:48:40 <ShellEvil> rafael2k: speak gibberish.
Sep 02 20:49:01 <piksi> i'm hoping to replace my main phone with freerunner as soon as it's at least a few days of normal usage before battery runs out
Sep 02 20:49:11 <RayDar> Don't criminals mainly want secure cryptographic phone calls?
Sep 02 20:49:50 <rafael2k> ShellEvil: any sollution for cell-phone on how to speak to another person through a secure (cyphered) line
Sep 02 20:50:04 <viq> RayDar: oh, not again "if you're a good citizen you've got nothing to hide"
Sep 02 20:50:04 * ShellEvil tries to recall.
Sep 02 20:50:15 <ShellEvil> zoophone?
Sep 02 20:50:18 <RayDar> piksi: Yeah, that would be sweet. Right now the only things holding me back are the battery life and the lack of GPRS functionality (on my neo1973).
Sep 02 20:50:26 <rafael2k> RayDar: and people that don't want the government to listen you :)
Sep 02 20:50:27 <ShellEvil> no
Sep 02 20:50:30 <viq> There was this Zimmerman's addition to VoIP, zfone ?
Sep 02 20:50:32 <ieatlint> RayDar, no, we just use pig latin, fools the cops every time..
Sep 02 20:50:44 <ShellEvil> raychan: both of those are software
Sep 02 20:50:54 <ShellEvil> ah yeah
Sep 02 20:50:55 <ShellEvil> that
Sep 02 20:51:13 <ShellEvil> no - not that
Sep 02 20:51:15 <raychan> ?
Sep 02 20:51:52 <rafael2k> but zfone do not apply to common no-ip phones, right?
Sep 02 20:52:13 <viq> right
Sep 02 20:52:18 <ShellEvil> rafael2k: you can't do simple encryption of voice - it has to be over data
Sep 02 20:52:28 <rafael2k> ShellEvil: I know
Sep 02 20:52:39 <RayDar> viq: I am totally not one of those who say "if you're a good citizen you've got nothing to hide". I actually fall well on the other side. Privacy should be a right added to our (I'm in the US) constitution.
Sep 02 20:52:46 <ShellEvil> ah - cryptophone
Sep 02 20:52:57 <viq> RayDar: ah, good
Sep 02 20:53:27 <ShellEvil> http://www.gsmk.de/
Sep 02 20:53:49 <rafael2k> I really don't know why cryptografy is not as widespread as it should be
Sep 02 20:53:58 <ShellEvil> rafael2k: it's a conspiracy.
Sep 02 20:54:26 <ShellEvil> rafael2k: and some people can spell.
Sep 02 20:54:34 <rafael2k> ShellEvil: It's not, it's openlly declared :)
Sep 02 20:55:11 <nyu> hello pretty, what's your phone number (and your public key fingerprint)?
Sep 02 20:55:12 <rafael2k> http://www.gsmk.de/ :)
Sep 02 20:55:19 <nyu> it'd be so fun
Sep 02 20:55:36 <ShellEvil> nyu: there are ways round that in principle.
Sep 02 20:55:43 <nyu> ShellEvil: CAs?
Sep 02 20:55:55 <rafael2k> you number could be your public key :)
Sep 02 20:55:56 <ShellEvil> nyu: but they rely on widespread adoption of protocols.
Sep 02 20:56:31 <ShellEvil> nyu: for example, share a number with a phone in contact with my phone, and get her pubic key automatically.
Sep 02 20:56:51 <nyu> I want her pubic key
Sep 02 20:56:59 * ShellEvil sighs.
Sep 02 20:57:10 * ShellEvil stabs his keyboard.
Sep 02 20:57:18 <nyu> ShellEvil: nm I got the point ;-)
Sep 02 21:01:11 <xhr17> what is better: 2008.8 or Qtopia?
Sep 02 21:05:18 <xhr17> ...
Sep 02 21:05:52 <mmontour> xhr17: it's subjective, like asking whether coke or pepsi is better
Sep 02 21:06:10 <xhr17> ok, what one has a better mp3 player?
Sep 02 21:06:25 <xhr17> as in, able to play mp3s without crashing.
Sep 02 21:06:52 <mmontour> dunno, haven't tried
Sep 02 21:07:02 <xhr17> what about phone calls?
Sep 02 21:07:28 <mmontour> probably Qtopia, but I haven't tried 2008.8 since the initial release
Sep 02 21:07:34 <xhr17>  hmm.
Sep 02 21:07:39 <xhr17> what are you using now?
Sep 02 21:07:42 <viq> xhr17: the short answer is "yes" ;)
Sep 02 21:08:11 <mmontour> I'm using something that resembles FSO-unstable, but I spend most of my time hacking low-level stuff (like the PMU and u-boot) rather than end-user apps
Sep 02 21:08:47 <xhr17> my priorities are 1) mp3 player, 2) phone calls, 3) wireless internet.
Sep 02 21:09:14 <xhr17> qtopia kicks ass as a phone, but the media player crashes ever mp3 i open.
Sep 02 21:09:55 <xhr17> and it has no web or wireless.
Sep 02 21:10:41 <Torikun> Open Moko Meeting tonight in SF !
Sep 02 21:11:37 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r1da31348a9b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the revision of assassin to 230
Sep 02 21:23:11 <Gromgull> Anyone know anything about bitbake? I'd like to try to build the scummvm bitbake recipe... but I'm having some trouble
Sep 02 21:23:21 <Gromgull> I guess this will involve installing a lot of things...
Sep 02 21:24:33 <admiral0> hi
Sep 02 21:27:02 <abraxa_> Gromgull: It's always good to show a pastebin of the console output that shows the error :)
Sep 02 21:27:30 <Gromgull> bb.parse.ParseError: Could not inherit file classes/autotools.bbclass
Sep 02 21:27:52 <Gromgull> i guess I am missing the whole development toolchain
Sep 02 21:28:07 <abraxa_> Using MokoMakefile or OE manually?
Sep 02 21:28:21 <Gromgull> I just run bitbake on the scummvm.bb file
Sep 02 21:28:28 <joss> mmontour: http://www.intersil.com/data/an/AN1256.pdf
Sep 02 21:28:31 <Gromgull> My ignorance knows no limits here though...
Sep 02 21:28:41 <joss> mmontour: wonder how big that would be?
Sep 02 21:28:44 <abraxa_> Gromgull: How did you set up the OpenEmbedded environment?
Sep 02 21:28:55 <Gromgull> I didn't... apart from installing the cross-compiler
Sep 02 21:29:04 <abraxa_> How did you obtain bitbake then?
Sep 02 21:29:15 <Gromgull> apt-get install bitbake :) 
Sep 02 21:29:22 <abraxa_> Ouch...
Sep 02 21:29:25 <abraxa_> Okay
Sep 02 21:29:42 <Gromgull> I guess following this: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started
Sep 02 21:29:45 <Gromgull> is not the way forward? 
Sep 02 21:29:51 <Gromgull> there is a openmoko specific approach? 
Sep 02 21:29:56 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Please use http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
Sep 02 21:30:13 <abraxa_> That'll make things tremendously easier for you
Sep 02 21:31:21 <Gromgull> Ok - i'll got off and read this page and follow instructions :)
Sep 02 21:31:22 <Gromgull> thanks
Sep 02 21:32:10 <abraxa_> When you're done setting up the environment, a simple "make build-package-scummvm" will do exactly what you wanted
Sep 02 21:33:59 <Gromgull> what OM_GIT_BRANCH would I use for 2008.08? 
Sep 02 21:34:31 <abraxa_> See the Environment section on the wiki
Sep 02 21:34:36 <abraxa_> 2008.8 = ASU
Sep 02 21:35:24 <kW> How can I run libgsmd-tool on Om2008.8?
Sep 02 21:36:26 <wurp2|working> kW: In theory you could install gsmd, kill Qtopia, and start gsmd
Sep 02 21:36:29 <abraxa_> kW: I'd be quite surprised if 2008.8 uses libgsmd.
Sep 02 21:36:47 <kW> I have "libgsmd" installed as a package on Om2008.8
Sep 02 21:37:04 <kW> and "gsmd" running
Sep 02 21:37:07 <wurp2|working> Of course, I've never run 2008.8, so I'm wildly speculating based on what I think I know about it + what I know about libgsmd-tool :-)
Sep 02 21:37:10 <Gromgull> kW: then it will conflict with qpe, they will fight over the modem device
Sep 02 21:37:12 <Gromgull> and nothing will work :) 
Sep 02 21:37:30 <kW> Gromgull: are you sure?
Sep 02 21:37:31 <abraxa_> wurp2|working: Funny... I do the same thing. I guess only end-users use 2008.8 :)
Sep 02 21:37:47 <wurp2|working> heh
Sep 02 21:37:50 <admiral0> an alternative program to zhone in theFSO?
Sep 02 21:37:56 <wurp2|working> I have yet to hear anything about 2008.8 that makes me want to run it
Sep 02 21:38:14 <Gromgull> kW: I had gsmd installed until today and the dialer did not work
Sep 02 21:38:23 <Gromgull> although killing qpe and using libgsmd made it work
Sep 02 21:38:28 <kW> Gromgull: so "libgsmd" is worth uninstalling?
Sep 02 21:38:32 <Gromgull> yes
Sep 02 21:38:37 <CVirus> wurp2|working: you think milestone 2 is usable as a daily phone ?
Sep 02 21:38:38 <mmontour> joss: here's another converter chip. It's available in a 4mm x 4mm package (not including the space needed for external components) - http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps61030.pdf
Sep 02 21:38:39 <Gromgull> you can uninstall all packages with gsm in the name
Sep 02 21:38:46 <Gromgull> and qpe should work then..
Sep 02 21:38:50 <wurp2|working> CVirus: I used MS1 for a while
Sep 02 21:39:02 <wurp2|working> I can consistently dial & receive calls, and had more than 1 day battery life
Sep 02 21:39:14 <kW> Gromgull: I see, this is why gpe does not work by default?
Sep 02 21:39:15 <wurp2|working> w/ MS2 you can send/receive SMS too
Sep 02 21:39:23 <CVirus> wurp2|working: with or without suspend ?
Sep 02 21:39:26 <Gromgull> kW: Are any gsm packages installed by default? 
Sep 02 21:39:30 <wurp2|working> CVirus: with suspend
Sep 02 21:39:36 <wurp2|working> CVirus: Does suspend not work on MS2?
Sep 02 21:39:38 <CVirus> wurp2|working: no white screen of deaht ?
Sep 02 21:39:40 <CVirus> death*
Sep 02 21:39:44 <wurp2|working> CVirus: nope
Sep 02 21:39:51 <admiral0> wurp2|working: i have a daily build from shr.bearstech.com
Sep 02 21:39:52 <CVirus> wurp2|working: I have no clue .. I don't even have a freerunner yet :-)
Sep 02 21:40:02 <admiral0> equals suicide
Sep 02 21:40:05 <wurp2|working> CVirus: I don't either
Sep 02 21:40:05 <CVirus> wurp2|working: you never get wsod ??
Sep 02 21:40:07 <wurp2|working> CVirus: gta01
Sep 02 21:40:07 <kW> Gromgull: I thought so, however, I've installed some packages like "openmoko-dailer2"
Sep 02 21:40:18 <wurp2|working> CVirus: Oh, I do, but I never did with MS 1
Sep 02 21:40:19 <CVirus> wurp2|working: no gta01 either
Sep 02 21:40:44 <Gromgull> ah yes - the openmoko-dialer conflicts with the qtopia dialer
Sep 02 21:40:48 <wurp2|working> CVirus: There are a few kernel/rootfs combos that have good suspend & resume
Sep 02 21:40:55 <joss> mmontour: yeah . that earlier was even smaller
Sep 02 21:41:07 <wurp2|working> admiral0: OK
Sep 02 21:41:24 <kW> Gromgull: I have the problem that some SIM card is not being accepted as it looks like, how can I debug this?
Sep 02 21:41:26 <CVirus> wurp2|working: I see
Sep 02 21:41:57 <Gromgull> kW ... hmm - debugging it seems easier with gsmd and libgsmd-tool
Sep 02 21:42:07 <Gromgull> you can kill qpe and NOT restart it
Sep 02 21:42:17 <joss> mmontour: how to know, if the pda usb port is powered from pda battery or not? i see that openmoko's us powered, htc-linux guys say there devices port aren't needs a power cable to work
Sep 02 21:42:19 <joss> ?
Sep 02 21:42:20 <Gromgull> and then open the gsmd log in one ssh session and use the tool in the other 
Sep 02 21:42:31 <Gromgull> I've not found a good way to debug gsm stuff with qpe
Sep 02 21:42:43 <kW> Gromgull: but how do I get the tool installed?
Sep 02 21:42:47 <Wonka> Gromgull: you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_network_registration and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
Sep 02 21:42:58 <Wonka> kW: you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_network_registration and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
Sep 02 21:43:02 <Gromgull> opkg install gsmd-tools
Sep 02 21:43:10 <Wonka> <- a little... confused
Sep 02 21:43:45 <Gromgull> Wonka: thanks - but it actually works for me now :) 
Sep 02 21:44:03 <Wonka> Gromgull: what did you do to solve it?
Sep 02 21:44:23 <Wonka> argh.
Sep 02 21:44:24 <Gromgull> i removed all packages with gsm in the name
Sep 02 21:44:30 <Gromgull> and then qpe "just worked"
Sep 02 21:44:34 <Gromgull> although it took a while to register
Sep 02 21:44:39 <Gromgull> no 3G sim though
Sep 02 21:45:02 <kW> Gromgull: 
Sep 02 21:45:03 <kW> root@om-gta02:~# opkg install gsmd-tools
Sep 02 21:45:03 <kW> An error ocurred, return value: 2
Sep 02 21:45:10 <Wonka> mh. my pin is not accepted despite being correct... works in other gsm handsets
Sep 02 21:45:21 <kW> Wonka: this is my problem...
Sep 02 21:45:27 <Wonka> kW: libgsm-tools maybe
Sep 02 21:46:08 <Gromgull> libgsmd-tools
Sep 02 21:46:10 <Wonka> kW: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg is the sim that doesn't work for me...
Sep 02 21:46:23 <Gromgull> I have the testing repositories setup - it might live there
Sep 02 21:46:40 <kW> Gromgull: "opkg install libgsmd-tools" seems to work
Sep 02 21:46:41 <Wonka> kW: and it's not a short to ground on the sim card holder - i've masked the contacts off with tesa tape
Sep 02 21:47:12 <Gromgull> kW: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#The_bleeding_edge:_Om_.22base_.2F_empty.22_images
Sep 02 21:47:19 <Gromgull> try adding test testing.conf to /etc/opkg
Sep 02 21:47:27 <Gromgull> this gives you lots of other updates as well
Sep 02 21:47:48 <Gromgull> run opkg upgrade through screen - it will upgrade sshd
Sep 02 21:49:31 <wurp2|working> admiral0: dialer3 will be an alternative to the zhone phone app, but it's incomplete now
Sep 02 21:49:33 <kW> Gromgull: thank you for the hint :-)
Sep 02 21:49:43 <Gromgull> n.p.
Sep 02 21:51:06 <admiral0> wurp2|working: in the meantime i was creating some utilities for backup and bash automatization
Sep 02 21:51:58 <wurp2|working> admiral0: I am confused... each of your sentences make sense but I don't see how they fit together with each other or with mine :-)
Sep 02 21:52:50 <kW> Gromgull: interesting, I could make the SIM card work (maybe I just did not power up the GSM antenna in settings, I do not know), but when setting up a call in command line, I do not hear anything
Sep 02 21:53:04 <Gromgull> abraxa_: now - with the makefile and OE setup I now get the following: http://pastebin.com/m7bef873b
Sep 02 21:53:15 <Gromgull> kW: nor did I ... 
Sep 02 21:53:22 <Gromgull> I dont know how the commandline works with audio...
Sep 02 21:53:49 <admiral0> wurp2|working: just don't worry. i'm after a very full day... btw dialer3 when? %?
Sep 02 21:54:16 <wurp2|working> When is unknown :-(  %, I would guess 70+
Sep 02 21:54:26 <wurp2|working> The issue is that the back end stuff is all done
Sep 02 21:54:45 <wurp2|working> But the UI guy has hit a stumbling block, and we haven't gotten anyone to pick up again on it
Sep 02 21:54:49 <abraxa_> Gromgull: You're not supposed to have bitbake installed through your distribution - remove it please, and use the one MokoMakefile provides for you
Sep 02 21:54:58 <sledgeas> emdete: edistar said you have info about getting NAND's flash bad blocks. my new FR (datecode 20080725) was suffering kernel panics etc as soon as i have reflashed it with 2008.8. im still suffering with USB cdc_ether, i'm getting `device descriptor read/64, error -110' and no solution found out there on the net does not work.. (u-boot,rootfs -- from Openmoko_update page, kernel (20080902,too) -- from daily page. the 20080825 kernel from releases/_update page
Sep 02 21:55:11 <kW> and "gsmd-tool" crashes on listing all SMS messages
Sep 02 21:55:24 <sledgeas> s/getting NAND's flash bad blocks/getting around with NAND's flash bad blocks
Sep 02 21:55:42 <Gromgull> abraxa_: ah - good point
Sep 02 21:55:52 <Gromgull> that changed nothing do
Sep 02 21:55:53 <Gromgull> though
Sep 02 21:55:57 <Gromgull> I sourced the env-setup first
Sep 02 21:56:01 <Gromgull> so it should use the right one
Sep 02 21:56:15 <wurp2|working> admiral0: Fortunately, aleix just got shr into the mokomake process, and gave me some bitbake pointers.  Hopefully I can get MarcOChapeau past his problem and we can get this out the door
Sep 02 21:56:56 <admiral0>  i'd like to partecipate. i was so desperate with zhone today... 
Sep 02 21:57:10 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Well, did you try "make build-package-scummvm"?
Sep 02 21:57:45 <Gromgull> no :) 
Sep 02 21:57:51 <admiral0> i was even thinking to code as quickly as possible a new dialer and message center...
Sep 02 21:58:24 <admiral0> with the frameworrk it's easy
Sep 02 21:58:58 <Gromgull> abraxa_: Do I have to actually build the openmoko image? I only did make setup and machine setup - since I have no interest in building all of openmoko really
Sep 02 22:00:08 <abraxa_> Gromgull: scummvm depends on certain things - bitbake will build all dependencies. I don't think it'll be more than the toolchain, but I haven't tried myself, as I always build the entire distro anyway.
Sep 02 22:00:22 <wurp2|working> admiral0: We would love to have you!
Sep 02 22:00:38 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Why do you want to build it anyway? Do you want to add patches or work on the source?
Sep 02 22:00:39 <wurp2|working> admiral0: by "the framework", you mean FSO or libframework-glib?
Sep 02 22:01:04 <wurp2|working> admiral0: We all hang out in #openmoko-cdevel... much lower traffic, and mostly about shr
Sep 02 22:01:08 <admiral0> FSO obviously
Sep 02 22:01:19 <admiral0> lovely
Sep 02 22:01:20 <Gromgull> The binary provided doesn't work ... it says simply "./scummvm not found" although it IS there... and it was mainly an exercise to teach myself things before I try to make another bb recipe for pingus...
Sep 02 22:01:54 <wurp2|working> admiral0: Not obviously... libframework-glib is a library Ainulindale built on top of FSO to make it easy to do C development on FSO
Sep 02 22:01:55 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Check with "file scummvm" if the binary is really for armv4t
Sep 02 22:02:20 <Gromgull> ./scummvm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
Sep 02 22:02:25 <Gromgull> i guess it's built for 1973
Sep 02 22:02:27 <Gromgull> not freerunner
Sep 02 22:02:39 <admiral0> wurp2|working: that means that was obvious for me... i work mostly in python(but c doesn't scare me)
Sep 02 22:02:40 <Gromgull> vs for example opkg : http://pastebin.com/m7bef873b
Sep 02 22:02:45 <Gromgull> eh
Sep 02 22:02:47 <Gromgull> ./opkg-cl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
Sep 02 22:02:53 <Gromgull> that's what I wanted, ignore the pastebin
Sep 02 22:02:53 <wurp2|working> ah
Sep 02 22:03:01 <Gromgull> (SYSV) might make the difference?
Sep 02 22:03:35 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Where did you obtain the binary from? The HORRIBLY outdated wiki page?
Sep 02 22:03:43 <Gromgull> yep :) 
Sep 02 22:03:59 <abraxa_> There you go then. That binary uses OABI, we use EABI now
Sep 02 22:04:34 <Gromgull> Ok - so i need to rebuild it :) 
Sep 02 22:05:25 <AntonTakk> anyone here happen to know how to do a kinetic scroll list in edje?
Sep 02 22:05:33 <kW> Wonka: my yallo SIM card looks like this one http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg
Sep 02 22:05:41 <kW> Wonka: what does this mean to me?
Sep 02 22:05:46 <abraxa_> Gromgull: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/om-gta01/scummvm_0.9.1-r4_om-gta01.ipk should work just fine
Sep 02 22:05:53 <Wonka> kW: no idea
Sep 02 22:06:55 <Gromgull> abraxa_: thanks! Trying!... NOW for future fun and hacking - I would still like to get the building to work - but maybe not today
Sep 02 22:08:02 <abraxa_> Gromgull: You're welcome, and keep bugging here if you run into issues
Sep 02 22:08:11 <Wonka> so i'd just need some zcode games now, nor? ;)
Sep 02 22:08:12 <AntonTakk> admiral0: the message center you are working on - sms only, or e-mail too?
Sep 02 22:08:32 <Gromgull> I will :) 
Sep 02 22:10:55 <admiral0> AntonTakk: nice idea e-mail... i think i'll join shr guys . the developing process will be faster
Sep 02 22:11:30 <Gromgull> hmm... abraxa_: that package claims it's not "compatible with the architectures configured" ... gta-01 - i have a 02 ...
Sep 02 22:12:10 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Okay, lemme find a better ipk then
Sep 02 22:12:19 <Gromgull> No stress :) 
Sep 02 22:12:56 <abraxa_> Na, I'm editing the wiki page so people don't run into the issue anymore - hence I need a package to link to.
Sep 02 22:13:00 <abraxa_> You're my guinea pig ;)
Sep 02 22:19:10 <abraxa_> Gromgull: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/scummvm_0.9.1-r4_armv4t.ipk
Sep 02 22:19:27 <Gromgull> trying...
Sep 02 22:19:36 <abraxa_> There's also stuff like http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/snes9x-sdl_1.39-r3_armv4t.ipk if you feel like it ;)
Sep 02 22:20:04 <Gromgull> oooh! interesting...
Sep 02 22:20:33 <Gromgull> screw the fact that the phonecall quality is awful - the suspend completely broken and the interface painful... I can play Topgear!
Sep 02 22:20:38 <Gromgull> with a stylus ...
Sep 02 22:20:41 <Gromgull> hmm
Sep 02 22:20:41 <Gromgull> :) 
Sep 02 22:22:03 <abraxa_> hehe
Sep 02 22:22:08 <Tig|_> Gromgull: flash playback?
Sep 02 22:22:14 <Gromgull> ScummVM works!
Sep 02 22:22:20 <abraxa_> You might want to check out http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/scummvm.tar.bz2 and use the openmoko-scummvm script
Sep 02 22:22:28 <Gromgull> that was in the package
Sep 02 22:22:51 <abraxa_> It was?
Sep 02 22:31:25 <Gromgull> yes
Sep 02 22:31:28 <Gromgull> abraxa_: yes 
Sep 02 22:31:41 <Gromgull> it's mentioned in the .bb script as well
Sep 02 22:32:11 <abraxa_> Gromgull: Yeah, it's there. Great.
Sep 02 22:32:23 <Gromgull> ... now how do I get the keyboard to enter the copy protection? :) 
Sep 02 22:33:18 <Gromgull> "WARNING: Could not open audio device: Out of memory!"
Sep 02 22:33:19 <Gromgull> hehe
Sep 02 22:33:37 <Gromgull> and the mapping of aux to F5 seems flaky
Sep 02 22:33:40 <Gromgull> or rather, broken
Sep 02 22:34:44 <abraxa_> Well, keyboard... that's where we'll have to patch scummvm to make it work, me thinks
Sep 02 22:34:51 <abraxa_> Stock scummvm doesn't have to deal with such stuff
Sep 02 22:35:49 <Gromgull> oh well - this is far enough for tonight I think
Sep 02 22:35:54 <Gromgull> I will return with more questions another day
Sep 02 22:36:06 <abraxa_> Sure thing - sleep well
Sep 02 22:36:17 <Gromgull> thanks again
Sep 02 22:36:43 <hb9egm> hi there
Sep 02 22:37:26 <hb9egm> from the wiki: "Your phone will go into standby after 30 seconds EVEN when connected to your computer or wall charger. (Disable this under the settings menu)" Is that fixed? I disabled suspend, but it doesn't work
Sep 02 22:37:31 <hb9egm> it always shuts off
Sep 02 22:38:09 <Dave> Greetings
Sep 02 22:38:14 <abraxa_> hb9egm: I suggest you visit the trac and look
Sep 02 22:39:03 <hb9egm> abraxa_: the 2008.8 tickets ?
Sep 02 22:40:38 <abraxa_> hb9egm: I wouldn't narrow it down like this - it could be a kernel issue as well
Sep 02 22:42:18 <Xilent> i've just installed 2008 and i'm trying to do an opkg update but the phone suspends every 60 seconds and the ssh connection is killed
Sep 02 22:43:05 <abraxa_> hb9egm, looks like you're not alone.
Sep 02 22:43:32 <johngay> That was why I wiped 2008 and went back to 2007.2
Sep 02 22:43:54 <kW> Wonka: Are you still there?
Sep 02 22:44:06 <digger3> Xilent: power settings seem broken in 2008. see the subject-thread "Re: Om2008.8 - latest update - FR suspends after 30 secs -" in the community mailing list
Sep 02 22:44:14 <Wonka> kW: about half
Sep 02 22:44:19 <kW> Wonka: you tell here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg something about grounding or isolating the sim card holder
Sep 02 22:44:24 <kW> Wonka: where did you get that information?
Sep 02 22:44:25 <hb9egm> executing "DISPLAY=:0 xset s off" seems to help, but I'll wait a few seconds more to confirm
Sep 02 22:45:02 <Wonka> kW: here on irc someone told he had a sim that worked when he pushed it to the side so the metal flap didn't touch the contact pad of the sim
Sep 02 22:45:39 <Wonka> kW: as you can see on the photograph, i masked the contacts off with tesa tape - no contact possible
Sep 02 22:45:45 <kW> Wonka: yes, I suspect this to be a design bug
Sep 02 22:45:45 <Wonka> kW: but it still doesn't work
Sep 02 22:46:04 <Wonka> kW: of the SIM, IMO
Sep 02 22:46:08 <kW> Wonka: did you mask the contacts on the openmoko side or on the sim side?
Sep 02 22:46:20 <Wonka> kW: i put some tape on the sim
Sep 02 22:46:24 <kW> Wonka: maybe, maybe not, depending on what the standards say
Sep 02 22:46:27 <Wonka> kW: it's visible in the pic
Sep 02 22:46:55 <mpr> use raster's 2008.08, it has an 'off' option for suspend in the settings dialog
Sep 02 22:46:56 <kW> Wonka: I know... one of my non-working SIMs looks similar from the pinout
Sep 02 22:47:06 <kW> Wonka: I see what you mean
Sep 02 22:47:10 <mpr> and a better keyboard etc etc :)
Sep 02 22:47:39 <Wonka> kW: I only left the 6 contact pads open that are needed for SIMs to work - no success
Sep 02 22:48:01 <Wonka> kW: but it works in that masked condition in other devices - Siemens S65 for example
Sep 02 22:48:09 <kW> Wonka: I see
Sep 02 22:48:14 <kW> Wonka: I'll try your masking trick
Sep 02 22:48:22 <Dave> Wonkas!
Sep 02 22:48:26 <Wonka> kW: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 seems to hint at the TI Calypso Firmware
Sep 02 22:48:34 <Dave> evil!
Sep 02 22:48:54 <johngay> Can I get a link for rasters image?
Sep 02 22:49:19 <mmontour> Wonka: another possibility is the voltage rating of the SIM (1.8V vs 2.5V or something like that). Not sure if this was ever confirmed as a problem, but it's something to consider
Sep 02 22:49:29 * Dave prods Xora
Sep 02 22:49:35 <Dave> Hello Montour.
Sep 02 22:49:45 <mmontour> Hi Dave. How's the lab?
Sep 02 22:49:53 <Dave> john: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/
Sep 02 22:50:00 <Dave> last time I checked, anyway :)
Sep 02 22:50:05 <Dave> Montour, it's nice and cold :)
Sep 02 22:50:26 <Dave> Crap, that just reminded me I have to finish this test demo, and get my software going.
Sep 02 22:50:50 <johngay> Though I'm quite enjoying 2007.2 ATM. AT&T SIM works, Wi-Fi and stuff. Only a few problems with timesheet and todo.
Sep 02 22:50:54 <Dave> go go sql gis extensions!
Sep 02 22:51:00 <Dave> john, yeah :)
Sep 02 22:51:05 <Dave> which are minor
Sep 02 22:51:10 <Dave> since they are APP based issues :P
Sep 02 22:51:14 <Dave> and who uses that anyway :D
Sep 02 22:51:19 * Dave smirks
Sep 02 22:51:54 <johngay> I was looking forward to using timesheet if it was useful. Anyone got a pointer to a good copy of libtododb?
Sep 02 22:52:40 <Dave> :x
Sep 02 22:52:46 <Dave> good copy?
Sep 02 22:53:01 <johngay> Yea. The one on daily-feed is empty.
Sep 02 22:53:24 <Dave> oh, lul
Sep 02 22:53:31 <Wonka> mmontour: i just looked at #666 again, especially at ChaosEagle's SIM pics - my SIM looks like his (nonworking) older one
Sep 02 22:54:21 <Dave> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk
Sep 02 22:54:32 <johngay> Thanks!
Sep 02 22:54:39 <Dave> Wonka :\
Sep 02 22:54:45 <Dave> That's rather discouraging.
Sep 02 22:54:46 <Dave> heh
Sep 02 22:57:21 <Wonka> i also tested the FR with my other SIM - a very old T-D1 reseller prepaid SIM - works just fine. PPP over GPRS just works.
Sep 02 22:57:38 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r309e1dda4c2b 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations
Sep 02 22:57:39 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9e13f16ebaa5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin as of tick's request
Sep 02 22:57:47 <Wonka> so it's not a defective contact in the FR, neither is it a defectie contact in the SIM
Sep 02 22:58:15 <Wonka> it's the combination of gemplus sim and freerunner
Sep 02 22:59:05 <Dave> wonka, yep!
Sep 02 22:59:21 <Dave> freerunner doesn't want to be friends with it :P
Sep 02 23:01:22 <Dave> Man, I really ought to get my head around these python API's, if I could find some documentation on 'em :P
Sep 02 23:05:14 <abraxa_> Dave: Which APIs?
Sep 02 23:08:40 <mmontour> Wonka: I really wish that Openmoko would put more effort into investigating and documenting the SIM problem (even though I'm not affected by it).
Sep 02 23:08:43 <johngay> Thanx Dave, that worked great!
Sep 02 23:09:11 <johngay> Now I just need to make sure it doesn't get replaced by the empty one again (-=
Sep 02 23:13:00 <ftnt> hi. is there a way to emulate right click? pls
Sep 02 23:13:50 * Wonka added his share to #666
Sep 02 23:16:18 <kW> Wonka: after taping off the metal contact of the SIM card, I seem to be able to use the sim card perfectly
Sep 02 23:16:28 <Wonka> kW: lucky one
Sep 02 23:21:07 <kW> I have another FAQ: How can I get a "normal" keyboard  on Om2008.8?
Sep 02 23:22:59 <timo2k> ftnt: hey hello! it worked with your suggestions. Many thanks for that! have the keyboard I wanted now running :)
Sep 02 23:23:21 <ftnt> <timo2k> great!
Sep 02 23:23:23 <ftnt> ;)
Sep 02 23:24:32 <kW> timo2k: what did you do?
Sep 02 23:24:46 <timo2k> have applied upgrade to angstrom-distribution
Sep 02 23:25:01 <timo2k> after that the matchbox keyboard shows up
Sep 02 23:25:48 <sontek> Hey, I forgot to plugin my phone lastnight and it died, now it wont start back up, its been plugged in for like 10 hours
Sep 02 23:28:26 <timo2k> if someone too want the matchboxboard here is waht ive done, ftnt helped me a lot: http://pastebin.com/d546cacc0
Sep 02 23:28:29 <johngay> Sounds like the battery's too low to charge.
Sep 02 23:28:46 <sontek> yeah, just found something here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ
Sep 02 23:28:52 <sontek> that says it needs a charge to be able to boot
Sep 02 23:28:56 <sontek> or I need a spare battery
Sep 02 23:29:11 <sontek> can I send it back to openmoko to charge it for me?  I don't have a spare battery
Sep 02 23:30:00 <johngay> Find someone with a nokia phone and borrow their batter long enough to boot with.
Sep 02 23:30:25 <johngay> It's not really a DOA problem (-;
Sep 02 23:30:27 <KenYoung> sontek, Did you try leaving the battery out of the unit for about 1/2 hour before recharging?
Sep 02 23:30:38 <sontek> I'm in the US, people don't really buy nokia's around here :P
Sep 02 23:30:56 <ljp> well, perhaps they should
Sep 02 23:30:59 <johngay> I've got one.
Sep 02 23:31:09 <sontek> KenYoung: No, I let it sit and charge for about 10 hours today with the battery in it
Sep 02 23:31:20 <sontek> KenYoung: and then I tried booting with it out of the phone with the charger plugged in
Sep 02 23:31:37 <sontek> johngay: Its sort of a DOA problem, it died and now it wont boot :P
Sep 02 23:32:01 <johngay> But it's easily fixed and a known issue.
Sep 02 23:32:06 <sontek> johngay: its a manufacturer defect really, I've never had a phone not be able to charge itself :P
Sep 02 23:32:41 <mmontour> sontek: there are a couple of recent threads on the community ML. Try a few of the things suggested there, e.g. hold Aux as you insert the charger cable
Sep 02 23:32:47 <johngay> Well, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.
Sep 02 23:32:51 <KenYoung> sontek, Sometimes, the phone gets into a bizarre state if it tries to boot on a low battery, but fails.   The solution is to leave the battery out for a while, and then recharge for several hours before touching *any* buttons.   My phone has been in that state several times.
Sep 02 23:34:25 <Xilent> how to kill apps in 2008.08 ?
Sep 02 23:34:57 <sontek> mmontour: tried the aux thing, it didn't work for me
Sep 02 23:35:03 <sontek> KenYoung: i'll try to leave the battery out
Sep 02 23:35:26 <sontek> hopefully if this doesn't work, om will be willing to replace the battery/charge it for me
Sep 02 23:35:51 <KenYoung> sontek, I'll betcha it won't come to that.
Sep 02 23:36:27 <sontek> I hope not, I'd hate to be without a phone for however long that would take :P
Sep 02 23:36:39 <sontek> it was annoying enough to be without it for all of today =)
Sep 02 23:36:56 <johngay> I'm sure it'd be quicker to find someone with a nokia first.
Sep 02 23:37:14 <sontek> all my friends have treo's, blackberry's, and iphones
Sep 02 23:37:23 <sontek> I don't know anyone with a nokia
Sep 02 23:37:47 <sontek> I know a few with toshiba's and sony ericcsons, but nokia is kind of rare around these parts :P
Sep 02 23:38:18 <sontek> would a nokia n810 battery work? I have a friend who has one of those
Sep 02 23:39:53 <johngay> Don't know if the n810 has the same battery or not. If it has the same connectors, it probably is.
Sep 02 23:40:50 <johngay> You know, I've read lots of complaints about the FR waking randomly due to GSM activity and draining the battery.
Sep 02 23:42:09 <johngay> And yet My Net10 Nokia 1600 does this all the time. It just lights up for no apparrent reason. I've never seen my FR light-up from DIM mode.
Sep 02 23:42:14 <sontek> yeah, my phone wakes randomly too, but I usually remember to charge it :P
Sep 02 23:42:21 <timo2k> sontek: take a look at the compatible replacement batteries: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery (hope the page is up to date)
Sep 02 23:42:23 <sontek> lastnight I crashed without even taking contacts out
Sep 02 23:43:18 <mmontour> sontek: do you see/hear anything at all when you try to boot?
Sep 02 23:44:23 <sontek> mmontour: It did have blinking red in the AUX button, but thats not there anymore either
Sep 02 23:44:31 <sontek> mmontour: its completely silent and no lights
Sep 02 23:46:28 <mmontour> If you saw a blinking light then your battery may still have some voltage. I'd try a few of the sequences that have been suggested on the mailing list. 
Sep 02 23:46:55 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r7b35ce58acc9 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations
Sep 02 23:46:55 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4d2581921b7f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin as of tick's request
Sep 02 23:47:10 <sontek> mmontour: yeah, that was earlier today.. It definitely hasn't did that in like 4 hours
Sep 02 23:47:31 <johngay> I don't suppose an USB hub is stupid enough to let me connect my FR to another device without having to find a mini-B male to A female adaptor, is it?
Sep 02 23:47:52 <mmontour> On a phone with the "completely drained" battery problem, there is 0V at the terminals of the battery and the phone shuts down before the CPU is ever started (and LEDs only come on if the CPU is running)
Sep 02 23:49:43 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r91b394ec4285 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations
Sep 02 23:49:43 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbdc5b8b4b23c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin as of tick's request
Sep 02 23:53:26 <johngay> I found one for $1.50, but there was $5.95 shipping for it )-:
Sep 03 00:04:46 <sontek> hmm, let the battery sit out and just put it back in and it still wont boot
Sep 03 00:04:50 <sontek> I think its dead dead :P
Sep 03 00:05:38 <rwhitby> hipitihop: here now
Sep 03 00:05:41 <rwhitby> morning
Sep 03 00:06:06 <mmontour> sontek: you don't need to leave it out of the device for a long time. A few seconds is enough to reset the PMU. 
Sep 03 00:06:11 <hipitihop> only just got here myself :-)
Sep 03 00:08:01 <mmontour> Try removing+replacing the battery and then plugging the USB cable into a PC (not the wall charger). Let it sit like that for maybe 15 minutes then press the power button. No guarantee that it'll work, but it will give you something to do while you're searching for a Nokia battery :)
Sep 03 00:08:19 <hipitihop> rwhitby, I wanted to check with you about PyOpenGL has anyone built/packaged this and if not if instructions here: http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/documentation/installation.html are sufficient
Sep 03 00:08:42 <KenYoung> sontek, DOn't take the battery out, re-insert and try to boot immediately.   Try taking the battery out, leave it out, and then charge for several hours before trying to boot.
Sep 03 00:10:02 <l0gout> No phone status in the topic anymore?
Sep 03 00:10:25 <l0gout> Is it useable by developers yet?
Sep 03 00:10:52 <KenYoung> l0gout, Usable for what?
Sep 03 00:11:17 <l0gout> As a daily phone, or even stable to develop an application on, either one.
Sep 03 00:11:57 <rwhitby> l0gout: the short answer is no
Sep 03 00:12:00 <KenYoung> l0gout, It's fine to develop on, IMHO, but as a daily phone it is still not quite fully reliable.
Sep 03 00:12:12 <l0gout> Ok.
Sep 03 00:12:20 <rwhitby> *some* people can get it to be stable.  it seems a large number of people can't for various reasons.
Sep 03 00:13:05 <l0gout> I liked it somewhat with debian on it, I haven't tried the updated om.2008.8 yet.
Sep 03 00:14:22 <sontek> I've been using the openmoko as my only phone for the past 2 months and its been working well
Sep 03 00:14:34 <sontek> but now it doesn't even power on... so I'd suggest keeping a spare around :P
Sep 03 00:14:35 <kW> How do I activate the Illume keyboard?
Sep 03 00:15:06 <KenYoung> sontek, What stack do you use?  2007.2, 2008.8?, FSO?
Sep 03 00:15:08 <l0gout> sontek, Yeah, debian did not realize it shouldn't drain my battery completely, and killed mine for a while also.
Sep 03 00:15:51 <rwhitby> the simple fact is that none of the distros have the feature set of the most basic off-the self throwaway closed phone yet.
Sep 03 00:15:58 <sontek> KenYoung: I use 2007.2, the interface isn't that great, but everything works well in it
Sep 03 00:16:06 <rwhitby> s/self/shelf/
Sep 03 00:16:06 <apt> rwhitby meant: the simple fact is that none of the distros have the feature set of the most basic off-the shelf throwaway closed phone yet.
Sep 03 00:16:40 <rwhitby> for some reason, everyone seems to be focusing on cool new features, instead of basic stability and basic features.
Sep 03 00:16:57 <rwhitby> and it's harming openmoko irrevocably in my opinion
Sep 03 00:16:58 <sontek> Yeah, I would've been happy with a mix of 2007.2 and FSO... The keyboard/text messaging of FSO is just fine for me (2007.2's keyboard is useless)  and 2007.2's PIM suite and launcher/main screen are great
Sep 03 00:17:09 <l0gout> I really like the idea of using debian, so at least the base distro is stable.
Sep 03 00:17:25 <rwhitby> l0gout: the stability problems are way below the distro level
Sep 03 00:17:31 <hipitihop> although to be fair I think the fso crew seem to want to get the foundations right first
Sep 03 00:17:34 <l0gout> And having the om stuff an apt-package.
Sep 03 00:17:40 <l0gout> As fso is on debian.
Sep 03 00:17:49 <rwhitby> hipitihop: that's true, that's why I use fso
Sep 03 00:18:11 <Mononoke> kW: http://n2.nabble.com/illume-config-illume-on-2008.8-updates-td795652.html
Sep 03 00:18:17 <l0gout> I don't see why there needs to be a new distro invented for the phone, a modified debian or something seems like a good idea after using that for a bit.
Sep 03 00:19:02 <l0gout> rwhitby:  Are they hardware problems then?
Sep 03 00:19:43 <l0gout> rwhitby:  Is there anything online written about this, I can just read it instead of questioning you guys :P
Sep 03 00:22:01 <rwhitby> l0gout: no, nothing online.
Sep 03 00:22:11 <rwhitby> l0gout: some people report hardware problems.  others don't.
Sep 03 00:22:12 <kW> Mononoke: thank you :-)
Sep 03 00:30:53 <hipitihop> rwhitby, did you see the PyOpenGL question or am I being rude and aksing the wrong person
Sep 03 00:31:25 <rwhitby> hipitihop: was just testing to see if it built.
Sep 03 00:31:32 <rwhitby> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'python-pyopengl' 
Sep 03 00:32:24 <rwhitby> hipitihop: looks like no-one has packaged it
Sep 03 00:35:14 <hipitihop> rwhitby, not that I have any idea of what is involved but I will put it on my list learn and see how I go.
Sep 03 00:35:51 * hipitihop time to get some work done
Sep 03 00:55:01 <johnsu01> does anyone have a gsmheadset.state file that they are happy with for calls? I've tried various settings, including some from the lists, and I'm floundering here
Sep 03 00:55:11 <johnsu01> err, handset
Sep 03 02:19:00 <FreenoseJew> stupid niggggger obama if elected nigggs will start killing whites in larger numbers just like after south africa elected their first nnnniiiiigggger!         Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden won't last 2 months in office!
Sep 03 02:20:17 <CVirus> ROFL
Sep 03 02:20:54 <mmaestri> sometimes people can be stupid
Sep 03 02:28:20 <Melchiorre> ^^ and that person probably votes...
Sep 03 02:29:24 <dougt> irc.mozilla.org was spammed by the same guy.
Sep 03 02:29:47 <raster> i can't believe such idiots still live
Sep 03 02:29:57 <raster> i mean didnt he forget to breath due to his stupidity?
Sep 03 02:30:19 <dougt> he is just baiting us.
Sep 03 02:30:22 <dougt> don't take it seriously.
Sep 03 02:30:44 <raster> he's stupid to think we woudl take the bait
Sep 03 02:30:47 <raster> and if he were baiting
Sep 03 02:30:51 <raster> he's tsay around for the fun
Sep 03 02:30:53 <raster> stay
Sep 03 02:30:57 <raster> i dont take it seriously
Sep 03 02:31:10 <CVirus> haha
Sep 03 02:31:18 <raster> i just am amazed the 2 braincells he posesses can be rubbed together to make fire at all
Sep 03 02:31:19 <raster> :)
Sep 03 02:31:32 <dougt> the funny part is that the secret service may pay him a visit.
Sep 03 02:31:41 <dougt> that sounds like a death threat to me.
Sep 03 02:31:59 <Melchiorre> hahaha
Sep 03 02:37:29 <CIA-22> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd84e31b3285 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git.
Sep 03 02:39:59 * raster taunts the secret service
Sep 03 02:58:52 <pabs3> zhone shows some of the messages on my sim card as strings of hex digits, anyone have any ideas about why? 
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