**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 03 02:59:57 2008 Sep 03 03:00:23 missing a font? Sep 03 03:00:40 pabs3: missing sms pdu mode Sep 03 03:00:51 pabs3: it is being worked on Sep 03 03:01:18 pabs3: only plain sms (non mms) like 160 chars or less will display properly Sep 03 03:01:48 AntonTakk: ah, is that an FSO thing, or a zhone ui thing? Sep 03 03:01:57 fso thing Sep 03 03:02:17 is there a bug I can subscribe to? Sep 03 03:02:52 pabs3: yeah, one of the open milestone 3 bugs on trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap Sep 03 03:03:20 thanks Sep 03 03:03:24 np Sep 03 03:03:54 moving development of my contacts mgr to the fr, easier to make sure it looks decent that way Sep 03 03:04:48 partly ripped the zhone contacts theme, thou i'd like a kinetic scrolled list rather than multiple static pages Sep 03 03:05:46 np: Madonna - Kinetic Sep 03 03:06:27 heh Sep 03 03:20:21 AntonTakk: hmm, something seems to be wrong with the trac, taking ages to load Sep 03 03:56:53 what is the path to pictures in qtopia raster? Sep 03 03:57:07 beats me Sep 03 03:57:10 you said qtopia Sep 03 03:57:11 :) Sep 03 03:57:25 oo u do fso Sep 03 03:57:48 well i have an fso build tree for myself Sep 03 03:57:56 right now.. busy with super-simple widget set Sep 03 03:58:55 are u still going to buils your own distro for the freerunner? Sep 03 03:58:58 raster: what is this super-simple widget set ? Sep 03 03:59:21 tools man tools Sep 03 03:59:25 * charlie137 is looking for a super simple widget set using evas Sep 03 04:00:30 charlie137: something my client has asked me to make to help their visual-c/vb coders be able to make simple apps for linux based phones Sep 03 04:00:31 :) Sep 03 04:00:39 etk is a "full widget set" Sep 03 04:00:42 as is ewl Sep 03 04:00:47 they have more power Sep 03 04:00:50 but more work as a result Sep 03 04:01:01 so i'm going to produce a dumbed down layer that has very few options Sep 03 04:01:04 like layout etc. Sep 03 04:01:09 u get what u are given Sep 03 04:01:14 but it takes most of the work away Sep 03 04:01:25 visual-c/vb + linux bases phone ? Sep 03 04:01:29 no Sep 03 04:01:31 linux Sep 03 04:01:53 they are trying to get their entry-levela nd mid level "i am used to doing stuff with visual basic.. i want something really simple to put up a gui" programmers Sep 03 04:02:02 to be able to do stuff quickyl and easily Sep 03 04:02:34 using latest svn, 'django-admin.py startapp tk' doesn't put manage.py in ./tk Sep 03 04:03:16 ignore that Sep 03 04:10:32 hrm Sep 03 04:10:53 window frame with an empty black background :-\ Sep 03 04:11:55 yay! black! Sep 03 04:12:20 not really, supposed to have three buttons and several empty list items Sep 03 04:12:50 you do Sep 03 04:12:54 they are alll.. BLACK! Sep 03 04:12:55 :) Sep 03 04:13:51 different shades of black? Sep 03 04:13:59 nope Sep 03 04:14:02 it thinks you are goth Sep 03 04:14:10 and is deciding to make it all black to please you Sep 03 04:14:10 :) Sep 03 04:14:12 heh Sep 03 04:15:03 don't understand thou, it's just a simple modification to the zhone theme file Sep 03 04:25:33 hrm, going back to a very simple edj file works, but using parts of zhone's edj file does not :( Sep 03 04:27:44 anyone know how to initiate suspend with qtopia? Sep 03 04:35:10 ya Sep 03 04:35:47 hit thw Q box Sep 03 04:36:17 u mean command line i take it Sep 03 04:36:40 installing 4.3.3 qtopia Sep 03 04:40:27 no, I mean the UI, or the power buttons, can't figure out how Sep 03 04:40:30 apm right? Sep 03 04:40:36 ok Sep 03 04:40:59 the second from left button Sep 03 04:41:42 then lower left button(has wrenches) Sep 03 04:41:57 then power managment Sep 03 04:42:14 its then at the bottom Sep 03 04:42:22 yeah, I know about that, what if I want to suspend right now Sep 03 04:42:22 i think Sep 03 04:42:30 i just erased it Sep 03 04:42:45 apm? Sep 03 04:43:40 http://qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=417&forum=13 Sep 03 04:43:43 sure, typing apm in the terminal isn't a useful way to suspend tho Sep 03 04:45:01 idk Sep 03 04:46:37 i just started useing qtopia an as soon as i checkout the 4.3.3 i may put 2008.9 back on because theres mor working stuff Sep 03 04:46:53 how was 2008.9? Sep 03 04:47:19 gps worked Sep 03 04:47:40 battery still got sucked dry Sep 03 04:47:49 what's 2008.9? Sep 03 04:48:06 updated version of 2008.8 Sep 03 04:48:08 what about calls/txt/etc? Sep 03 04:48:30 didnt text anyone Sep 03 04:48:42 have to admit i'm not a fan of 2008.x's ui thou Sep 03 04:48:48 i think it was pretty good Sep 03 04:49:01 slaxxin: any speed improvements? Sep 03 04:49:01 slaxxin: oh, cool. is it usable yet? Sep 03 04:49:02 not pretty Sep 03 04:49:14 last time it hung the UI spidering my SD card OSM maps Sep 03 04:49:21 I hope they fixed that bug Sep 03 04:49:45 well it wasnt great but wifi was working for me Sep 03 04:50:08 slaxxin: i was talking more app execution/response time Sep 03 04:50:54 qtopia seems faster than X11 based distros Sep 03 04:51:34 well, 2008.x is decidedly slower cause of the qt aps under x Sep 03 04:51:58 if done right, the x apps could be every bit as fast Sep 03 04:52:10 may also be partially a glammo issue Sep 03 04:52:10 even 2007.x was slower than qtopia/framebuffer Sep 03 04:52:58 qtopia 4.3.3 just borked Sep 03 04:54:25 what did you do to it? kick it? Sep 03 04:54:29 :) Sep 03 04:55:28 qtopia does seem faster than the x stuff Sep 03 04:55:58 operator malfunction Sep 03 04:56:31 pabs3: zhone in fso is pretty fast, less than one second to bring up the contacts, and it's python (eww!) ;) Sep 03 04:57:20 AntonTakk: I mean the touchscreen responsiveness mainly Sep 03 04:57:43 pabs3: er, explain that? Sep 03 04:58:01 can zhone read sim contacts? Sep 03 04:58:11 ljp: yes Sep 03 04:58:24 ljp: I reflash pretty regularly, and it keeps my contacts and SMSen Sep 03 04:58:26 pabs3: - just did that test - less than 1 second from touching the icon, to the contact ui being visible Sep 03 04:59:55 can't explain it really, just "feels faster" Sep 03 05:00:30 tried fso yet? Sep 03 05:00:41 i floped a .tgz file into dfu an it said it worked with no errors present Sep 03 05:01:01 AntonTakk: yep, with debian Sep 03 05:01:04 slaxxin: yeah, all it does is write the file to the device Sep 03 05:01:05 went through the install perfectly Sep 03 05:01:19 pabs3: no, not fso apps on debian, just plain old fso Sep 03 05:01:45 have u got the filesize for debian down low yet? Sep 03 05:01:52 Is openmoko considered stable? I only ask because its not in /topic Sep 03 05:02:03 AntonTakk: nope, didn't know there was an image Sep 03 05:02:07 running a desktop distro on a phone is going to have negative impacts on speed Sep 03 05:02:20 they have a stable branch now Sep 03 05:02:42 pabs3: yeah, link to fso details from the main page of the wiki Sep 03 05:02:42 how is it a desktop distro? debian is mostly a server distro Sep 03 05:02:45 slaxxin, oh, so are GSM and GPS stable? Thats all I need for now in a phone Sep 03 05:02:47 slax on moko Sep 03 05:02:58 pabs3: even so, still heavy for a phone Sep 03 05:03:18 I don't see why if it is just the same software running Sep 03 05:03:20 anyway Sep 03 05:03:24 it worked as foe stable its still a work in progress Sep 03 05:04:22 need to find someone to do a slackware port Sep 03 05:05:01 pabs3, ever run debian on a midrange pentium 3? its the same specs without taking into consideration FR/Neo have ARM CPU's which afaik are alot more cut down than x86 - so the same speed in MHz might not translate into the same power Sep 03 05:05:13 give patrick something different to do Sep 03 05:05:35 send him a phone Sep 03 05:06:04 dave send patrick a phone Sep 03 05:06:30 i was using them Sep 03 05:08:02 anyways, not using my fr as a daily phone atm, since the only options for a decent feature set and working phone seem to be 2008.x and qtopia Sep 03 05:08:43 so wheres the additional software for qtopia located? Sep 03 05:09:00 whats the deal with the ".jffs2.summary" file extension for the FSO image? Sep 03 05:09:01 booting 4.3.3 Sep 03 05:09:04 fragged: it's really not Sep 03 05:09:12 pabs3: it got mis-named Sep 03 05:09:13 fragged: it's more akin to a PII/233 Sep 03 05:09:25 (the FR) with an ISA graphics card. Sep 03 05:09:52 isa...you sure you aren't being overly generous? Sep 03 05:09:54 It has a very small cache, no MMX, no FPU, no multiple execution units Sep 03 05:09:54 isa covered its own ass Sep 03 05:10:35 SpeedEvil: i was thinking more like an i386 with a p2/233 mod ;) Sep 03 05:10:44 as far as gfx, anyways Sep 03 05:10:58 anyways, night all Sep 03 05:11:09 a bit worse Sep 03 05:11:22 gfx is probably worse than vesa local bus Sep 03 05:11:24 SpeedEvil, so whats the deal with the FR software, does it run alright for an everyday phone / gps unit? Sep 03 05:11:26 maybe close to isa Sep 03 05:11:43 with a more complicated gfx card on the other side of the isa bus Sep 03 05:11:44 but yes Sep 03 05:11:46 The raw bandwidth is close to 16 bit ISA Sep 03 05:12:01 cpu/memory wise about a p2-233/266/300 Sep 03 05:12:02 But the acceleration is much better than most 16 bit ISA cards. Sep 03 05:12:03 depending Sep 03 05:12:18 sped thats what i said :) Sep 03 05:12:48 Sorry, I'm partially awake. Sep 03 05:12:59 I can type in my sleep. Sep 03 05:13:04 Reading stuff is harder. Sep 03 05:13:54 i just said its more complex Sep 03 05:13:57 ie - does more Sep 03 05:15:33 fragged: not really yet, no. Sep 03 05:15:37 wow handwriting recog on qtopia 4.3.3 Sep 03 05:15:45 SpeedEvil, keyword being 'yet'? Sep 03 05:16:03 fragged: there are some images that will work for some aspects of being a phone, for undemanding users. Sep 03 05:16:21 ah, I meant speed-wise :P Sep 03 05:16:40 fragged: but there isn't really any of FSO/ASU/2007/2008/... that you can point to as adequate. Sep 03 05:17:02 fragged: but there isn't really any of FSO/ASU/2007/2008/... that you can point to as adequate and reliable as in all builds work. Sep 03 05:20:35 * pabs3 tries FSO Sep 03 05:22:08 the volume setting on 4.3.3 is way too low Sep 03 05:23:46 pabs3: It's nice :) Sep 03 05:24:13 * pabs3 wishes dfu-util was faster Sep 03 05:30:18 pabs3: s/dfu-util/usb/ Sep 03 05:39:01 hmm, FSO seems faster than ASU Sep 03 05:39:07 * pabs3 wonders why Sep 03 05:40:38 pabs3, Maybe FSO doesn't have processes that go CPU bound for extended periods doing no useful work, like 2008.8 does. Sep 03 06:00:53 getting this while trying to connect over ssh: NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out Sep 03 06:01:02 somebody know how to solve? Sep 03 06:18:27 fixed it by running in terminal on FR: ifup usb0 Sep 03 06:26:49 interesting, just took a call on my FR 2006.8-updated and even though it is finished, 'top' shows pulsaudio process taking 10-11% CPU Sep 03 06:38:52 hello Sep 03 06:42:56 ~praise GPRS on FreeRunner Sep 03 06:42:56 morning, btw. Sep 03 06:42:58 All hail GPRS on FreeRunner! Sep 03 06:44:47 dwmw2: hey. if you were to recommend a flash filesystem these days -- which one would it be? Sep 03 06:45:26 what size flash? Sep 03 06:45:53 we're still using jffs2 on OLPC, with 1GiB of NAND flash. It's a lot better than it used to be, although we're definitely pushing its limits Sep 03 06:45:55 256 for sure, perhaps 512 Sep 03 06:46:05 oh really? interesting. Sep 03 06:46:12 with summaries, and with the improvements I've put in recently, it's OK. Sep 03 06:46:19 what's the state of ubi from your perspective? Sep 03 06:46:45 looks promising. You would certainly do well to investigate ubifs Sep 03 06:46:52 I want to make btrfs work on raw flash too. Sep 03 06:47:02 the design lends itself quite well to that. Sep 03 06:49:12 [Bug] #1955: pppd persist and holdoff does not work ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1955 ) Sep 03 06:49:57 ok, sounds good. Still pondering whether it's worth it on Freerunner (256MB). Would like to speed it up a bit by using an uncompressed NAND fs Sep 03 07:03:02 sorry, got disconnected. gprs on this track is very weak Sep 03 07:12:03 Hi Sep 03 07:17:27 * anno^da_ waits for TabMixPlus/NoScript and Adblock for Chrome. :) Sep 03 07:26:04 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r08cf9b513508 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations Sep 03 08:02:18 turns out OOP is just poo in reverse Sep 03 08:04:55 Man did you get that off bash.org or am I about to put it there? Sep 03 08:06:00 :'( Bash is down Sep 03 08:06:05 bunny/c Sep 03 08:06:12 bash.org error: Duplicate entry. Sep 03 08:06:20 ups ;) - sorry Sep 03 08:09:02 uhm, i didn't get it off bash.org, but it could be there already :P Sep 03 08:13:23 lint! :P Sep 03 08:16:12 hey dave Sep 03 08:16:36 Howdy :D Sep 03 08:19:23 Hello All My FR has stopped recognising my SIM card or connecting to a network. Wanted to use AT commands to have a look at it but I'm on 2008.08 and that don't use gsmd does it? Funny thing is that when I power up without the sim card in it still has a list of contacts from the sim that's not in any more Sep 03 08:34:09 good morning Sep 03 08:34:21 Greetings Sep 03 08:38:58 hi Sep 03 08:39:26 somebody knows when it will be released the 2008.9? (sorry for my bad english) Sep 03 08:44:48 2008.8 should be updated over time... 2008.9 is planned for the future. Sep 03 08:47:42 Hello, how do I enable the illume keyboard? Sep 03 08:50:36 Dave, have you done anything with PyGames ? and more specifically PyOpenGL, seems nobody seems to have packaged it, do you thing it would on the FR ? Sep 03 08:50:59 ^ work Sep 03 08:54:33 ieatlint, is that you poo'ing oop ? Sep 03 08:56:41 no, i've been pooing some sort of structed c Sep 03 09:04:00 hipitihop: I don't think you'll get gl working on the Neo Sep 03 09:04:21 hipitihop: But I think someone said PySDL works.. Sep 03 09:07:02 hipitihop: is the one here not working http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ ? Sep 03 09:12:15 Heh, top 10 open source companies to watch: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/090208-open-to-watch.html?page=5 Sep 03 09:14:57 openmoko: 03john_lee * r4620 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: Sep 03 09:14:57 openmoko: #1834: openmoko-dialer2 crashes when no dbus connection could be set Sep 03 09:14:57 openmoko: patch created by LeRoutier Sep 03 09:14:57 openmoko: commited by John Lee Sep 03 09:20:43 hello, is there something like xboard for oe or openmoko because there is Phalanx in oe... Sep 03 09:31:05 xboard? Sep 03 09:32:49 ah Sep 03 09:33:26 raster: how easy would it be to remove the dictionary button in terminal view to get more space which could be used by slightly bigger keys Sep 03 09:34:45 xboard should 'just' work I think - the menus may not work so well. Sep 03 09:40:04 SpeedEvil, but i didn't find xboard in oe...so mabe i will have to create a bb file no? Sep 03 09:43:04 is it bossible to brows the oe repository online? Sep 03 09:43:21 possible Sep 03 09:46:05 gnu{-: I think so, yes. Sep 03 09:46:31 Gnutoo: the board looks quite possible to use with fingers - the menus might not work so well unfortunately. Sep 03 09:46:53 SpeedEvil, ok thanks a lot... Sep 03 09:48:09 marcel_m, not familiar with that feed, will have a look, back later after dinner Sep 03 09:51:29 bye... Sep 03 09:52:32 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r5eb58fb8930b 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.51.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default Sep 03 09:54:34 hi guys Sep 03 09:55:01 anybody has idea how i can set my newly bought :) openmoko for native buids Sep 03 09:55:44 I had soooooo many problems with mokomakefile that I had to wait for my moko to do some real work Sep 03 09:58:18 native builds? Sep 03 09:58:32 You mean compiling on the FR? Sep 03 10:02:30 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r89f835b0bba6 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default Sep 03 10:35:08 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rc51a82d10098 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default Sep 03 10:35:20 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf07541211602 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a version that sends the noise reduction command Sep 03 10:35:21 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rca7d3167eba8 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): movw illume to upstream svn version. now use "asu" profile - illume-theme Sep 03 10:35:22 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re5b85d6490aa 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget Sep 03 10:35:22 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r15970a09ca36 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested). Sep 03 10:35:25 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbeb9039f229e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging Sep 03 10:35:28 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r655da0a957e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev Sep 03 10:35:31 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r62474f1729ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858 Sep 03 10:35:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r52963e5f5361 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get some accelerometers changes Sep 03 10:35:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3dca64284322 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to get the sensor fixes from Andrzej and Andy Sep 03 10:35:42 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8800fb9c5205 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and push srcrev for asu update. battery theme changes, illume internal fixes Sep 03 10:35:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r639fe5463162 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to hopefully fix the cross build Sep 03 10:35:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r72548bfbe296 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890 Sep 03 10:35:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7b35ce58acc9 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations Sep 03 10:35:59 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4d2581921b7f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin as of tick's request Sep 03 10:36:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rfc638b901994 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable Sep 03 10:38:35 can we compile inside FreeRunner with make utils Sep 03 10:38:53 Hi, on om2008.8, how can I get the Illume keyboard back, instead of Qtopias? Sep 03 10:39:15 SpeedEvil: Its seems you've been through it Sep 03 10:44:57 shaz: i just apt-get --build source foo Sep 03 10:50:02 hello, does anybody here knows what the use of the openmoko audio "bypass" is? because when deactivating, the voice becomes very clear, not too loud and without any echos Sep 03 11:15:00 kW: Almost true. Just called my brother and he said there was an echo, but it was near silent.(Might be that mono bypass was still somewhere around 20% which might explain the silent echo.) Sep 03 11:27:37 mediaplayer2 audio quality is Crap while mplayer is much better, any idea ? Sep 03 11:29:04 [Bug] #1956: Mediaplayer2 audio quality ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1956 ) Sep 03 11:32:23 ~seen josch Sep 03 11:32:24 josch was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 26d 10h 37m 20s ago, saying: 'so any ideas? :D'. Sep 03 11:43:17 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r910b19406847 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content Sep 03 11:43:23 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1fed25dcf48e 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content Sep 03 11:46:20 Hi, Im using Om2008.8 with my recently unpacked Neo Freerunner, but I cannot connect to any wireless network Sep 03 11:46:39 Besides there is no terminal available to use iwconfig etc. to connect Sep 03 11:46:47 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdfa1c3d3a791 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content Sep 03 11:47:26 baba_melone: use USB networking Sep 03 11:48:09 zoup: How do I change the usb address? Sep 03 11:48:31 baba_melone: by default its 192.168.0.202 , you can change it under /etc/network/interfaces Sep 03 11:48:42 yeah, but I have no terminal Sep 03 11:49:01 and besides my laptop internet if has ip 192.168.0.x Sep 03 11:49:08 baba_melone: connect openmoko to your machine , #ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 on your machine then ssh to 192.168.0.202 :) Sep 03 11:49:19 so I cant ssh my device without leving the internet :( Sep 03 11:49:23 baba_melone: turn that off while you arre doing it Sep 03 11:49:32 but... Sep 03 11:49:34 indalolz Sep 03 11:49:38 dont wanna miss Sep 03 11:49:44 not for a second... Sep 03 11:49:44 k Sep 03 11:50:53 use a smaller netmask for the usb0 interface, and it will have a priority route compared to your internet if Sep 03 11:51:18 baba_melone: or route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 Sep 03 11:51:37 yeah, that'll work too - a netmask of 255.255.255.255 effectively Sep 03 11:51:42 ieatlint likes poo :p Sep 03 11:51:45 hey, hippityhop :) Sep 03 11:52:03 What's new, Rod? Sep 03 11:52:06 rwhitby: yes Sep 03 11:52:27 bumble :) Sep 03 11:52:34 Hi, I'm wondering, is it normal that I don't have gsmd under 2008.8 Sep 03 11:53:22 ok, it is, sorry Sep 03 11:53:25 uggh, bugs Sep 03 11:54:33 Shit, I really ought to be posting these kernel module issues to the ml :p Sep 03 12:02:27 what do you use to play mp3 on FR ? Sep 03 12:03:19 mplayer Sep 03 12:03:29 mediaplayer is kind of, incomplete :p Sep 03 12:04:28 Dave: well , under om2007 ? Sep 03 12:04:41 Dave: i mean , with om2007 keyboard its almost impossible to use mplayer Sep 03 12:04:53 Dave: unless you know some GUI frontend Sep 03 12:05:14 heh Sep 03 12:05:18 sure it's possible Sep 03 12:05:36 matchbox keyb Sep 03 12:05:37 I just wrote simple bash scripts to use mplayer, since it's quicker than typing all that shit in every time in that tiny console :) Sep 03 12:05:48 Dave: that too (:) Sep 03 12:05:55 I'm unsure if there's some simple frontend yet Sep 03 12:05:59 but you could certainly write one ;) Sep 03 12:06:12 mp3blaster is fun to use Sep 03 12:06:20 Dave: good idea :) Sep 03 12:08:14 indeed Sep 03 12:08:27 I mean, pygtk makes it easy! Sep 03 12:08:33 That reminds me... Sep 03 12:08:43 * Dave slaps ieatlint around a bit with simple gui Sep 03 12:11:21 how enable settings button on top menu ? Sep 03 12:31:39 Open_Gl: you mean the wrench? Sep 03 12:33:21 yes Sep 03 12:33:31 hi what bug is it when you cant call out on om2008 and a star is shown on the signal bar, but incoming calls work fine.. Sep 03 12:34:24 I rember the bug was discussed here, but cant find it in docs.opnemoko.org Sep 03 12:34:30 Open_Gl: installe illume-config Sep 03 12:34:40 ok, i try... Sep 03 12:36:38 one more question, why after suspend when i get sms or recieve call - no sound ? Sep 03 12:40:41 Open_Gl: cause suspend/resume doesn't work properly Sep 03 12:40:54 Open_Gl: you have to add pactl suspend-sink 1 Sep 03 12:41:04 wen freerunner suspends Sep 03 12:41:08 and pactl suspend-sink 1 Sep 03 12:41:17 hmm it works for Sep 03 12:41:26 and pactl suspend-sink 0 when it resumes Sep 03 12:42:48 files in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ and /etc/apm/resume.d/ are executed on suspend/resume Sep 03 12:53:07 RedFlash: i need create there files and add this lines ? 0_o Sep 03 12:56:22 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r25b0c76d4ac6 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon Sep 03 12:58:50 wireless network: -180 dBm signal and -96 dBm noise levels are bad, aren't they? Sep 03 12:58:53 Open_GL: create a File with: Sep 03 12:58:58 #!/bin/bash Sep 03 12:58:59 pactl suspend-sink 1 Sep 03 12:59:13 for suspend.d Sep 03 12:59:22 i'm getting a connection but i can't ping the FR or the AP from the FR Sep 03 12:59:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4c509ab27a92 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (parser.py trigger.py): oeventsd: remove circular reference to fix importing Sep 03 12:59:33 and the same for resume.d but pactl suspend-sink 0 Sep 03 13:00:20 thanks Sep 03 13:03:18 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f36027f073e 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles Sep 03 13:05:43 and why is it that ifup'ing wireless (eth0) only works once after booting? Sep 03 13:06:06 bug in the driver Sep 03 13:06:12 wonderful Sep 03 13:06:17 no workaround? Sep 03 13:06:19 mentioned in the wiki Sep 03 13:06:22 (except rebooting...) Sep 03 13:08:45 well i remember having read it somewhere too, but can't figure out where Sep 03 13:09:25 I think it's under known issues on the 2008.8 page Sep 03 13:10:14 thx Sep 03 13:12:44 I think the wifi driver is statically compiled into the kernel, not loaded as a module. otherwise unloading the module and reloading it might work Sep 03 13:13:08 it certainly sucks though because wifi is one of the main interfaces i would like to use Sep 03 13:13:40 i will try the "workaround" in #1392 which suggests turning essid off with iwconfig Sep 03 13:18:29 does not seem to help me :/ Sep 03 13:19:08 the interesting thing is that iwconfig tells me "Encryption key: off", even when i get a DHCP lease Sep 03 13:19:19 and i have WPA-PSK Sep 03 13:20:09 i really wonder what OM's quality control standarts are.. as it is the FR is barely usable as a phone (even that has its drawbacks - echoes, RF interference) let alone the "extended" functions Sep 03 13:20:32 i wonder too^^ Sep 03 13:20:51 it is obviously intended as a hw platform for oss developers Sep 03 13:20:53 after having the phone for 2 weeks now i really am about to ditch it in favour of an iphone Sep 03 13:20:58 there, i said Sep 03 13:21:01 now jump on me Sep 03 13:21:12 * md2k7 jumps on phrozen77 Sep 03 13:21:15 s/there, i said/there, i said it/ Sep 03 13:21:17 * bumbl slaps phrozen77 with a freerunner Sep 03 13:21:20 phrozen77: I think your entitled to feel like that :) Sep 03 13:21:26 i certainly am Sep 03 13:21:29 there.. I said it. Sep 03 13:21:36 Now terminate me :P Sep 03 13:22:12 the SW of the freerunner is definitively not on level with iphone at the moment.. and it probably won't be for at least a year or so... _at least_! Sep 03 13:22:17 imho caveat Sep 03 13:22:31 well, i for did not expect it to be on level Sep 03 13:22:49 but i expected to have the hardware that was put in to work Sep 03 13:22:50 and the first revisions of v2 hardware has this annoying gps problem. Sep 03 13:23:09 i didnt even bother with gps too much atm Sep 03 13:23:15 IXian-Probe: that was fixed in software Sep 03 13:23:16 tried it like 5 times Sep 03 13:23:18 phrozen77: mhm.. I sympatize, but I'm not that condeming. Sep 03 13:23:20 didnt work at least once Sep 03 13:23:24 -> eff it Sep 03 13:23:46 btw: its very useful as a GPS receiver and a map viewer, altough it can't navigate Sep 03 13:23:51 phrozen77: using a kernel with the sd clock fix? Sep 03 13:24:00 (i already have the capacitor soldered into place on sd socket) Sep 03 13:24:19 AntonTakk, whatever 2007.2 comes with and whatever it updates to when updated Sep 03 13:24:27 md2k7: i thought i saw a package that contained a routing engine Sep 03 13:24:28 md2k7: yeah we need a proper navigation software - navit seems too slow Sep 03 13:24:43 md2k7, since i just got it 2 weeks ago i suppose mine has that fix although i didnt bother to check yet Sep 03 13:25:15 well even if it has a routing engine, you still need the correct maps with one-way streets entered correctly etc Sep 03 13:25:24 fwiw, i might put it on ebay tomorrow or so Sep 03 13:25:24 openstreetmap isn't that far yet Sep 03 13:26:16 phrozen77: try a recent (daily?) rootfs and kernel, i haven't had to wait longer than a couple minutes since the software fix became available Sep 03 13:26:20 md2k7: depends on your location Sep 03 13:27:19 hm Sep 03 13:27:25 that would imply flashing a new 2007.2 Sep 03 13:27:33 which currently isnt anywhere on the phone Sep 03 13:27:47 phrozen77: it doesn't have to be 2007.2 Sep 03 13:28:00 no way in hell i am going to install 2008.8 once more Sep 03 13:28:11 then fso Sep 03 13:28:16 OM should check their definition of UPGRADE Sep 03 13:28:22 even their definition of it is b0rked Sep 03 13:29:29 while i agree the 2008.x is far from an improvement in anything other than perhaps sim support, you shouldn't base your decisions on what works and doesn't on the use of a software stack that is not being maintained Sep 03 13:30:00 hm yeah Sep 03 13:30:05 i can't make a phone call on 2008.8 Sep 03 13:30:17 but really, i dont get anything out of it for knowing that the hardware MIGHT work Sep 03 13:30:21 if it had a usable sw stack Sep 03 13:30:27 dns53: i was able to with a 2008.8 daily a while back Sep 03 13:30:57 i used one of raster's builds, but when i added any other software it broke Sep 03 13:31:15 phrozen77: if you can live with minimal phone functionality (make/receive calls, use sim contacts) for a while, try fso ms2 Sep 03 13:31:43 then i just could stay with qtopia Sep 03 13:31:47 which does that just fine Sep 03 13:31:59 phrozen77: the ui, even thou it is just a testing app is MUCH nicer than 2008.x, imho Sep 03 13:32:11 AntonTakk: is GSM interference/audio quality any better in fso? Sep 03 13:32:16 AntonTakk: the design of 2008.x is better imho (illume vs. that horrible 2007.2 thing) Sep 03 13:32:37 bumbl: i like illume too, but 2008.x needs a today-style app Sep 03 13:32:43 i prefer the matchbox keyboard myself Sep 03 13:32:44 but the 2008.x version is crippeled Sep 03 13:32:53 md2k7: i have never had noticable gsm interferance Sep 03 13:33:29 AntonTakk: well i didn't either before i tried setting the mic volume higher (-> ppl complaining about me being too silent) Sep 03 13:33:44 hrm Sep 03 13:33:48 wait until the echo of doom strikes Sep 03 13:33:53 :D Sep 03 13:34:21 phrozen77: i have used the fr as my daily phone for weeks in the past with no echo and no gsm interfeerance Sep 03 13:34:28 lucky you Sep 03 13:34:46 anyways, i'm done ranting :) gotta take a shower now Sep 03 13:34:48 AntonTakk: and useful volume? Sep 03 13:35:01 AntonTakk: what is the today app? Sep 03 13:35:01 md2k7: no one has ever complained Sep 03 13:35:19 the main screen of 2007.2? Sep 03 13:35:35 AntonTakk: which distribution? Sep 03 13:35:46 btw how is whispering in IRC i'm quite a noob here Sep 03 13:35:49 bumbl: in 2007.2 the today app IS the ui, but the main thing i am talking about is an app that displays things like missed calls, upcoming calendar entries, etc Sep 03 13:35:55 md2k7, /msg nickname Sep 03 13:35:58 md2k7, /msg nickname message Sep 03 13:36:10 * dns53 uses /me Sep 03 13:36:41 yeah om 2008.8 defenitly needs that but a new implementation om today sucks Sep 03 13:36:42 and how is using /me messaging someone? Sep 03 13:36:58 lol Sep 03 13:37:02 * bumbl sends a message to phrozen77: hi Sep 03 13:37:03 * dns53 i'm emoting something on my mind Sep 03 13:37:17 * phrozen77 oh hai bumbl - glad this is a private convo Sep 03 13:37:18 :D Sep 03 13:37:24 ^^ Sep 03 13:37:27 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * r83cb79e8e940 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py nmea.py ubx.py): (log message trimmed) Sep 03 13:37:27 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Fix various bugs (patch by Sascha Wessel) Sep 03 13:37:27 freesmartphone.org: From: Sascha Wessel Sep 03 13:37:27 freesmartphone.org: To: standards and reference implementations Sep 03 13:37:29 freesmartphone.org: Subject: Re: ogpsd questions Sep 03 13:37:31 freesmartphone.org: Hi, Sep 03 13:37:33 freesmartphone.org: I started to fix some of the problems while keeping the gypsy api Sep 03 13:37:35 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r398f75f34886 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/nmea.py: ogpsd: Whitespace fixes in nmea.py Sep 03 13:37:38 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2385ec8422bc 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: Sep 03 13:37:40 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: ubx.py: Only update time when we have valid UTC bit set. Sep 03 13:37:42 freesmartphone.org: Also explain in the comment some more about GPS time, leap seconds Sep 03 13:37:44 freesmartphone.org: and what we could do to speed up first somewhat accurate UTC time signal. Sep 03 13:37:59 privavy is dead, long live google Sep 03 13:38:03 lol Sep 03 13:38:10 s/privavy/privacy/ Sep 03 13:38:10 bumbl meant: privacy is dead, long live google Sep 03 13:38:21 :P Sep 03 13:38:29 md2k7: first really good one i used was a pre-release asu from 7/15 (iirc), qtopia is also reliable as a phone, but i refuse to use it Sep 03 13:38:39 everyone welcome our new chrome overlords! Sep 03 13:38:56 someone has it for the moko? Sep 03 13:39:00 md2k7: i have also used fso milestone2 as a daily phone, it has some of it's own anoyances, but works a majority of the time Sep 03 13:39:03 chrome?! Sep 03 13:39:13 google's webkit browser Sep 03 13:39:25 o rly? Sep 03 13:39:32 chromium.google.com Sep 03 13:39:38 chrome is also a name of a component is mozilla apps :) Sep 03 13:39:40 fyi chrome is barely available for winblows Sep 03 13:39:48 how would it be that it be ported to OM? Sep 03 13:39:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r971424fc99c5 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (8 files): Sep 03 13:39:58 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: refactor subsystem: Sep 03 13:39:58 freesmartphone.org: * separate generic actions and triggers from specific ones Sep 03 13:39:58 freesmartphone.org: * remove unnecessary duplicated import statements Sep 03 13:39:58 freesmartphone.org: (please be more careful on that) Sep 03 13:40:16 on my Neo 1973 "opkg list|grep python" or anything does not yield all packages in repositories but gives installed python package names. Sep 03 13:40:17 it compiles for linux, perhaps debian will have it soon Sep 03 13:41:17 so tell me when s1 will port firefox to 2008.8 :P Sep 03 13:41:17 have you read the eula Sep 03 13:41:20 I checked internet connection and add repository names in /etc/opkg/*.conf files Sep 03 13:41:26 noone wants that thing Sep 03 13:41:55 md2k7: also was easily able to get gprs going with the scripts on the fso wiki page Sep 03 13:42:19 Any idea where the problem lies? Sep 03 13:42:37 what eula? it's bsd + webkit is lgpl Sep 03 13:42:56 hmm Sep 03 13:43:56 dns53: nah it has its own eula Sep 03 13:44:36 bumbl it does but that is with the windows binary not the source code, the gpl and bsd licences are not eula's Sep 03 13:45:05 saying something like: google has the right to collect, sell,... all data you give to chrome Sep 03 13:45:09 dns53: yeah Sep 03 13:45:31 but for linux you first have to find the code which does this shit and remove it Sep 03 13:46:15 have you read the eula that comes with rhel, sles etc, they do have restrictions on them but that does not stop centos from not having one Sep 03 13:47:35 dns53: we'll see if chrome really is DFSG-free soon hopefully Sep 03 13:48:14 you can check out the source and compile it yourself if you want Sep 03 13:50:05 dns53: no I have never read these eulas as I am only running gentoo linux Sep 03 13:52:11 bumbl fair enough, they do have the normal commercial restrictions such as you can only run on one computer etc so the gpl or other licence can be different from the way they are sold Sep 03 13:52:55 dns53: yeah I know Sep 03 13:52:59 if you sold a gpl program for $1 million that person could pay you and then feed the source back to the community Sep 03 13:53:27 dns53: yeah I know how the gpl,... works Sep 03 13:57:12 do i have to restart anything to enjoy my fresh gsmhandset.state file? Sep 03 13:57:52 i so wish 2007.2 would work with my sim Sep 03 13:58:27 * md2k7 is gone testing his audio quality Sep 03 13:58:42 md2k7: if that works well for you would you mind sharing? :) Sep 03 13:58:48 that would be good enough for me to use as a daily phone, with posably a few small modifications Sep 03 13:58:48 still struggling with mine Sep 03 14:01:27 phrozen77: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Sep 03 14:01:45 keyword "essential" Sep 03 14:01:55 AntonTakk: fso ms3 will show up soon I hope Sep 03 14:06:21 *shrug* Sep 03 14:07:00 * md2k7 still hears gsm interference Sep 03 14:07:03 :( Sep 03 14:07:28 md2k7: get a better provider Sep 03 14:07:37 bumbl: last i looked it was 2 days late and still had 14 open tickets Sep 03 14:07:58 AntonTakk: yeah Sep 03 14:08:31 if i knew python i'd try to help, but i don't Sep 03 14:08:55 * md2k7 thinks he can learn python Sep 03 14:08:58 and anyone who points to zhone as a simple example app is drinking the good stuff imho Sep 03 14:09:20 * md2k7 just is too confused by the amount of frameworks used which he doesn't know Sep 03 14:09:48 openmoko: 03werner * r4621 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (scope.py wave.py): Sep 03 14:09:48 openmoko: Some minor cleanup. The screenshots now use the full color range. Sep 03 14:09:48 openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_channel_data): verified the offsets Sep 03 14:09:48 openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_to_ppm): the MSB of the blue channel got chopped off Sep 03 14:09:48 openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_to_ppm): made colors use the full dynamic range Sep 03 14:09:50 openmoko: - lib/wave.py (get_one): it's self.data, not self.wave.data Sep 03 14:09:52 openmoko: - lib/wave.py (__len__): it's self.data, not self.data.wave Sep 03 14:10:39 well, i was a c++ coder, so I have been able to adjust to c for my contacts app w/o to much problem Sep 03 14:12:17 and by was I'm refering to the dark ages :) Sep 03 14:12:24 least it feels that long ago Sep 03 14:13:21 hrm Sep 03 14:13:34 btw: how can i invoke (= start) an enlightenment/illume module like the screen lock? Sep 03 14:13:48 without pressing the aux button ofc Sep 03 14:15:13 md2k7: not sure, but you might look in to the enlightenment_remote command Sep 03 14:19:03 enlightenment_remote --help produces quite an appreciable list o.O Sep 03 14:20:25 md2k7: that it does Sep 03 14:20:53 unfortunately "enlightenment_remote -module-list" doesn't give me any difference Sep 03 14:20:58 when the screen is locked Sep 03 14:21:14 wth is this lock thing? Sep 03 14:23:37 i actually want to turn the backlight off when the screen is locked Sep 03 14:23:58 i wrote a small python script checking the aux button Sep 03 14:24:33 that worked nicely until i realized that calling does something to the screen, which my python script doesn't like Sep 03 14:24:35 anyone ever got an event on headphone button press? Sep 03 14:25:15 e.g. it then turns off the screen when it is unlocked and otherwise Sep 03 14:25:51 maybe it'd suffice to know when a call is coming/going out Sep 03 14:27:35 md2k7: fso, or asu? Sep 03 14:27:45 asu Sep 03 14:28:06 md2k7: the qtopia junk may be doing that then Sep 03 14:28:34 great, i love hunting down which app does something i don't want to happen Sep 03 14:28:48 -.- Sep 03 14:29:04 hehe Sep 03 14:29:36 mickeyl: headphone button? Sep 03 14:30:05 seems like the thing which makes the audio mux toggle is a key event?! Sep 03 14:30:31 (when you insert or remove your headphones) Sep 03 14:31:06 apropos headphones, the 2,5mm jack would be another excellent thing to rant on Sep 03 14:31:24 indeed Sep 03 14:31:35 but i'm into electronics so i don't really care, i just solder myself headphones :P Sep 03 14:31:56 in soviet russia, headphones solder YOU Sep 03 14:32:04 lol Sep 03 14:32:06 I dunno, coming from Nokia phones I'm tickled pink to have a 2.5mm jack Sep 03 14:32:22 instead of their proprietary pop port Sep 03 14:32:33 mr_nice, hm - kenn ich dich von irgendwoher? Sep 03 14:32:45 AntonTakk: button on the headset Sep 03 14:32:51 md2k7: i do think om has learned alot from the various flaws/etc in the fr, i expect the gta03 to be a fairly solid hw platform :) Sep 03 14:33:00 The headphone jack acts as another button Sep 03 14:33:29 mickeyl: perhaps i'm drunk at work, but i don't remember seeing a button on the headphones :) Sep 03 14:34:02 well i do :) i was thinking about what it is intended for Sep 03 14:34:42 AntonTakk: interesting. i have one here Sep 03 14:34:55 phrozen77: hm, don't know but it is more polite for the others to stick to english? where do we know from? Sep 03 14:35:17 mr_nice, do you by chance know a network called solidirc? Sep 03 14:36:30 phrozen77: no, sorry. Sep 03 14:36:46 mr_nice, oh ok, must be an other mr_nice then Sep 03 14:37:00 mickeyl: i have the button, too, but i don't know how it could be connected, there are no free pins on the plug Sep 03 14:37:25 could the button be a mute? Sep 03 14:37:26 ground, left, right, and mic, i suppose Sep 03 14:37:42 phrozen77: yes the name is quite common Sep 03 14:37:45 it could be possible Sep 03 14:37:47 as in press the button to mute the microphone Sep 03 14:38:08 md2k7: pressing the button connects mic to ground Sep 03 14:38:11 If I remembered where I put it I would test it :) Sep 03 14:42:39 :| Sep 03 14:47:35 dave Sep 03 15:02:36 Hello Sargun. Sep 03 15:07:06 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc379f2ebc1fb 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: Sep 03 15:07:06 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Hide private member variables in GPSDevice to prevent subclasses Sep 03 15:07:06 freesmartphone.org: from overwriting them. Sep 03 15:07:07 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * r06a36c4633a2 10/examples/ (ogpsd_methods.py ogpsd_resource.py ogpsd_signals.py): Sep 03 15:07:07 freesmartphone.org: examples: Add examples how to use ogpsd DBus API (thanks Sascha Wessel!) Sep 03 15:07:11 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd_signals.py listens for gypsy signals Sep 03 15:07:13 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd_methods.py calls gypsy methods once and exits Sep 03 15:07:15 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd_resource.py requests the GPS resource from ousaged (power on while running, see Sep 03 15:07:17 freesmartphone.org: /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron) Sep 03 15:18:18 4 Sep 03 15:18:37 5 Sep 03 15:18:42 I win Sep 03 15:20:18 6 Sep 03 15:20:20 no you dont Sep 03 15:20:44 could someone tell me if the suspend mode of om2008.8 will be fixed soon? Sep 03 15:20:53 ? how fixed? Sep 03 15:21:42 Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. Sep 03 15:22:06 md2k7: Well my Neo goes into suspend mode after x seconds.... Sep 03 15:31:36 quick question. Sep 03 15:31:58 is there a seperate channel just talking about cellphones in general? Sep 03 15:32:25 I was looking for cellphone channel and saw tehre were 429 people in this channel. Sep 03 15:32:42 not that I know of Sep 03 15:32:51 dermoth: don't think so Sep 03 15:32:55 okt: Sep 03 15:32:59 thanks Sep 03 15:33:12 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc2cff632bdc8 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (factory.py gpschannel.py gpsdevice.py): ogpsd: Add a dummy GPSDevice that reports a static location Sep 03 15:33:13 oktokie: we don't really care if you talk about general stuff if nobody else is being specific Sep 03 15:33:15 does anyone know what exactly SIM does? Sep 03 15:33:29 * pjz just switched from 2008.8+zecke over to latest qtopia for his stable image Sep 03 15:33:39 It holds the secret that the network usees to negotiate teh phone number with the phone Sep 03 15:33:46 I see Sep 03 15:33:47 oktokie: the Sep 03 15:33:48 and does pjz like it? Sep 03 15:34:03 I have bunch of blackberry cell phones needing to be wiped clean. Sep 03 15:34:06 oktokie: the phone itself has no number - the SIM has the numbers. Sep 03 15:34:08 Zorkman: yeah, it seems to be nice and stable, it even suspends corretly Sep 03 15:34:16 oktokie: wiped clean? Sep 03 15:34:18 I noticed that SIM often holds contacts and messages. Sep 03 15:34:19 Zorkman: only nit is that the speaker volume is a bit low Sep 03 15:34:36 pjz: buzz/echo? Sep 03 15:34:38 oktokie: yes, it also has a bit of user-accessible storage for contacts and messages Sep 03 15:34:41 Zorkman: none Sep 03 15:34:45 oktokie: follow the procedure outlined by blackberry, or remove teh battery, and place them in a deep-fat frier for 20 minutes on high. Sep 03 15:34:48 Zorkman: but it's a bit difficult to hear Sep 03 15:34:49 wiped-clean - erasing all data and setting it back to initialized condition. Sep 03 15:34:53 pjz did you have it before? Sep 03 15:34:58 Zorkman: nope Sep 03 15:35:43 Zorkman: but 2008.8+zecke was having trouble charging or suspending or something sometimes Sep 03 15:35:45 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e562205765f 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : start the task of splitting out apps/libs into Sep 03 15:35:46 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rf82bebbcbe04 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : more breaking out of apps and libs Sep 03 15:35:46 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rc33d044a8b59 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : packages plugins and fix some problems in Sep 03 15:35:46 does anyone know how to erase the device's own phone number from SIM card? Sep 03 15:35:47 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rf8cfe2239487 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : put mediaserver in own package Sep 03 15:35:49 oktokie: you need to find out how to do that from blackberry, or user forums. Sep 03 15:35:50 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rcd605bf5dabd 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 3efe469d04dd7675eed50490beed04645bf83f9a) Sep 03 15:35:52 oktokie: you cannot Sep 03 15:35:53 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r75d233c5c866 10/ (62 files in 33 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head a1c254ff522cc93280162eebe7431eb7b201087d) Sep 03 15:35:56 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc629d410262 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 16aa31bb680e6274af81e5dbc7498b04be776f4b) Sep 03 15:35:58 oktokie: remove the SIM and destroy. Sep 03 15:35:59 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rba2d14642d00 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : more splitting work, hopefully services are in Sep 03 15:36:06 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b661a79ddb5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : fill out some of the qtopia apps we want on the Sep 03 15:36:08 oktokie: you can't, that's what the SIM is *for* Sep 03 15:36:09 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rd97526bcbde4 10/ (670 files in 166 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 7dbd13bb8c12c7cc4e290ef6f353ecfdc83e9e19) Sep 03 15:36:12 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * re4e889e9ce64 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 45783a6c8bda4dbae7ddfda0b24df2699006bf9a) Sep 03 15:36:15 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r4389e7046180 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : package help files with applications instead Sep 03 15:36:15 sob Sep 03 15:36:18 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rb1e248acbe36 10/ (92 files in 22 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.dev' (head d5fd1847d8ae604d31c6b9680f671b8114993ffc) Sep 03 15:36:20 oktokie: SIMs can be easily replaced cheaply - that's the idea Sep 03 15:36:27 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r52ee54a30c41 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : more packaging fixes/tweaks and create some Sep 03 15:36:30 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d7eca779cab 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : add some more packages to the image Sep 03 15:36:33 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rca0748a14f4b 10/packages/ (38 files in 7 dirs): Unify the PV writing of svn based recipes. Sep 03 15:36:36 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rf0022b447f47 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: Make sure the TMPDIR exists. Sep 03 15:36:38 pjz: you mean it's own phone number cannot be erased? Sep 03 15:36:39 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rdac5634d4782 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: And use tabs... Sep 03 15:36:42 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a33fbe4366e 10/ (188 files in 66 dirs): Introduce a SRCPV and use it inside the PV as replacement for SRCREV Sep 03 15:36:55 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r53515f9707d9 10/packages/mono/mono_svn.inc: mono: Two svn checkouts are used, specify a SRCREV_FORMAT Sep 03 15:36:56 pjz: then how does phone operators able to change the phone number on the SIM? Sep 03 15:36:58 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rf1ae08741d66 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko-devel_git.bb: u-boot-openmoko-devel: Use a revision that exists again. Sep 03 15:37:01 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r88368a8e63b1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane srcrevs: Add a rev for linux-openmoko-devel Sep 03 15:37:05 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r0b62c26f56d4 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): illume: Update to r71, change the recipe to work with rev's below 71 and above Sep 03 15:37:07 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r56076a46a025 10/packages/xorg-xserver/ (7 files): applied changes from a462dd02324fae1a9cd1df33366213df28a2b1cc Sep 03 15:37:10 oktokie: because they don't change the ID in the SIM Sep 03 15:37:12 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d4d7b54fd2e 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: illume-theme: Update the installation routine as well. the illume config is new in r71 Sep 03 15:37:21 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r6b20746b6425 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: merge of '2e30494ce5ee48ab1b148ee26272a2aed0454dd9' Sep 03 15:37:22 oktokie: they change the secret-phone-number mapping Sep 03 15:37:26 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r8d39638d33d0 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.xora.qtopia' (head c2294df38ae8ce55290ab7637d4653d174d0a821) Sep 03 15:37:29 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ea927e93df3 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : manually fix task-openmoko PV and small merge Sep 03 15:37:32 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r3625ee8abc6b 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : some final fixes, cant use imagemagick-native Sep 03 15:37:35 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e6b8af24845 10/classes/om-utils.bbclass: classes/om-utils.bbclass : a utility bbclass that contains a task to Sep 03 15:37:42 openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rcc8874803a21 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] Upgrade the used Qtopia/X11 revision and the recipe. Sep 03 15:37:45 oktokie: well, IIRC, it doesn't have the phone number in it directly, it has some other essentially account-specific identifier in it that ties it to yuor account Sep 03 15:37:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r15fed1632797 10/packages/efl1/epsilon_cvs.bb: applied partial changes from 568c22f89e802bfa2941b3ff64c9b8b8fb590bfd Sep 03 15:37:54 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a6efdcc5cf1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc : increment kernel revision to one with all suspend/resume Sep 03 15:37:57 openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r6fb281a19394 10/packages/efl1/epsilon_cvs.bb: merge of '8db8cded30a1041dacb917199cff0af74ad866be' Sep 03 15:38:00 (142 lines omitted) Sep 03 15:38:02 oktokie: and then that is tied to your phone number Sep 03 15:38:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r99884bb0b9bf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to have "Save to Contacts" fixed Sep 03 15:38:07 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbdf536164542 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade ninja to get the Green bar selected animator Sep 03 15:38:16 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rcd847be2bcc8 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to get animation changes Sep 03 15:38:19 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r52bcd388a2e1 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [asu] Install the Openmoko Gtk+ theme to make gtk+ apps look like OM2007.2 Sep 03 15:38:22 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ee7a8396832 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [openmoko] the original reversion of linux-openmoko-devel Sep 03 15:38:25 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r02cd3d017698 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] To change the applications's title name to Splinter. Sep 03 15:38:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r00eb39b669a2 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up reversion of exposure to 30. Sep 03 15:38:34 oktokie: giving away SIMs is never safe generally, as it may be reactivatable on the old number. And replacement SIMs are nearly free. Sep 03 15:38:35 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r9f78faef6efb 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): newer revs of illume and efl/e Sep 03 15:38:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r977e1568e164 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [om2007.2] Install the settings-daemon to better integrate Gtk+ applications Sep 03 15:38:45 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra8607c02c6d8 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om2007.2] Install a package which contains the default config Sep 03 15:38:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra5352e0ef50a 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [splinter] Make sure we have an application icon Sep 03 15:38:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbe132b825ad9 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [python-cython] This commit is a temporary solution. Sep 03 15:38:58 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r18af169717c9 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] systemtime uses worldtime pictures but they are not installed (#1463) Sep 03 15:39:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r16dd164fd514 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] Update Qtopia to get GSM work initiated by mwester Sep 03 15:39:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd366b77b9de2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the ninja theme to rev 5 as of ticks request Sep 03 15:39:11 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1c8897428296 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] As on ticks request upgrade opkg to 4488 to fix some segfaults Sep 03 15:39:14 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5a1bb6698fcd 10/classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass: rootfs_ipk.bbclass: opkg nowadays needs its lib directory created before it can operate Sep 03 15:39:21 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2d43cc4ee401 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade to have various bugfixes for regina Sep 03 15:39:26 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5b191c20617e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] helpbrowser couldn't find index.html (#1465) Sep 03 15:39:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb215bcc1deac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter to r427 as of Jeremy's request Sep 03 15:39:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra5d30b417713 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gdbus] Add libgdbus of moblin for connman Sep 03 15:39:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9af5b0e1f91f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Add connman as we want to use it for ASU/exposure Sep 03 15:39:42 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2614c1e38086 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Split the scripts and plugins into separate packages Sep 03 15:39:47 (66 lines omitted) Sep 03 15:39:53 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r3dbfcf45da35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update to newer etheme and shelf size options Sep 03 15:39:56 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc4a11bcb1ae1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume to rev120 - had theme problem. 100% cpu usage with infinite timer. Sep 03 15:40:03 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r52c02259f98b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up to 0630 for date of efl - should fix eet issue? i can't reproduce here at Sep 03 15:40:06 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e260b12105f 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: don't need efreet or ewl for edbus build. Sep 03 15:40:09 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r268dec8746b2 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the callforwarding and phonesettings application from the image Sep 03 15:40:18 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rff0c46bffeb4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with the massive painting changes Sep 03 15:40:21 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r12e664d69cc1 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [edbus Bump the PR after raster's change Sep 03 15:40:30 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r28a197c5a775 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the callscreen/theme improvements Sep 03 15:40:33 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc81cfde435c7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: update efl to latest to get etk drag+hold changes etc. Sep 03 15:40:36 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r85ddb1fbd93c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum of elfutils Sep 03 15:40:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r93924e8e1003 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add prelink checksum for the normal mirror Sep 03 15:40:42 is it normal for CIA-22 to announce like this? Sep 03 15:40:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re4df4234ac7b 10/packages/python/python-pyxdg_0.15.bb: [python] Add pyxdg to use fdo specs from python Sep 03 15:40:49 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0dcb1a5a8940 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for pyxdg, matches the debian source Sep 03 15:40:54 does the software package upgrader in qtopia work? Sep 03 15:40:58 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rf835ce44bade 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume dates/rev to update to gsm "no signal" mode and Sep 03 15:41:01 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * ra7acd6517e46 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 174. Sep 03 15:41:04 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6357204c59a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 438 Sep 03 15:41:11 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r22ff92a342cf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to illume rev with any_mod for bindings. Sep 03 15:41:14 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r40e68b86743a 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Sep 03 15:41:23 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4d4cc6e622d9 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [Assassin] Add curl to assassin's depends. Sep 03 15:41:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r18e466d9a39d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 449 Sep 03 15:41:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0faecdee4f7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev/exposure] Upgrade exposure to have the xdg changes Sep 03 15:41:32 oktokie: yeah when there is a load of stuff going in :) if it annoys you use the /ignore command Sep 03 15:41:36 (105 lines omitted) Sep 03 15:41:38 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1465c89a7b9a 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb): [iotop] Add iotop 0.2.1 to OpenEmbedded/Openmoko Sep 03 15:41:41 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7fe0f5a32344 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Make the installed package work Sep 03 15:41:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4c2368b1670f 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add python-gst Sep 03 15:41:50 Tig: thinaks. Sep 03 15:41:51 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb98740d0a7d8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add iotop to the feed Sep 03 15:41:53 looks like there is some merging going on :) Sep 03 15:41:54 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r320853333ad5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add pdf viewers to the feed Sep 03 15:41:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r29c5961b995a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. Sep 03 15:42:06 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra040bd85ad80 10/conf/checksums.ini: Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.asu.dev Sep 03 15:42:09 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r490386d82ca1 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Remove the duplicate entry Sep 03 15:42:14 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfc4cf0f11cae 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for 42c_skins.tgz Sep 03 15:42:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb5ebd6a709d5 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for free42.tgz Sep 03 15:42:24 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r16f84b16b977 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for nano-2.0.7 Sep 03 15:42:27 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r08604e7b7a48 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 Sep 03 15:42:36 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc488cc154454 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for MPlayer-1.0rc2 Sep 03 15:42:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r25e65bc387f4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 Sep 03 15:42:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rcc18569f5d6f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gnash-0.8.2 Sep 03 15:42:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r5f35cafeff72 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-timesheet-0.32 Sep 03 15:42:54 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r35adeff6d6f7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for synergy-1.3.1 Sep 03 15:42:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4e00f396b3ab 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-filemanager-0.30 Sep 03 15:43:06 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * raa15c90026cd 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for swt-3.4M5-gtk-linux-x86.zip Sep 03 15:43:09 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc94c3ae9c7d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 Sep 03 15:43:12 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r53c3d5062e7f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for poppler-0.6.4 Sep 03 15:43:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbfd9868dce2b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for x11vnc-0.9.3 Sep 03 15:43:24 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r306500ebf378 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for SDL_net-1.2.7.tar.gz Sep 03 15:43:27 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * raebb4501b216 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for tangoGPS-0.7.tar.gz Sep 03 15:43:27 CIA-22: you can be checksub Sep 03 15:43:36 (153 lines omitted) Sep 03 15:43:38 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc40dda990d39 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to avoid packagekitd races Sep 03 15:43:41 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * red930c7c7102 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] Add X11 to the dependencies. Sep 03 15:43:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rad6f7e8de52f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Add a Gtk+ utility to set the root password Sep 03 15:43:53 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re6ac61df5e71 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko] Add the Qtopia debug helper and root password utility Sep 03 15:43:56 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5252d7977370 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [openmoko] Add the matchbox-keyboard-im gtk+ modules for keyboard input Sep 03 15:44:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r15aa8bf72252 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove minimo from ASU-feed Sep 03 15:44:06 openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r84656519be62 10/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: make sure update-rc is always executed in an offline postinst (from poky r4976) Sep 03 15:44:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a08a09fe19a 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.1.20.bb: [dbus] Bump the PR after the update-rc change as we know dbus benefits from it Sep 03 15:44:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfeb87d2587ad 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume to have config for removed spanner , asterisk moved, Sep 03 15:44:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r23d54a3de846 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 66 Sep 03 15:44:28 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r17d475599b72 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Calling packages .opk Sep 03 15:44:31 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9def9e88398a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get the charging indicator fix Sep 03 15:44:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r25e4c6650215 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Use the latest stable u-boot. Sep 03 15:44:38 * ShellEvil passes out mops to have a flood clearing party. Sep 03 15:44:39 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * ra9bf6a3043ba 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ok. qwerty gone. Sep 03 15:44:42 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r93505f24794e 10/conf/distro/ (include/sane-srcrevs.inc openmoko.conf): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev Sep 03 15:44:46 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfe45c9835262 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): ecore shoudl really get xdamag/composite support... if its ever used/desired... Sep 03 15:44:50 * Zorkman starts mopping :) Sep 03 15:44:53 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rce8ef7a6a9fd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): turn on composite at runtime so it can be used.. if u run a compositemanager Sep 03 15:44:56 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r8cf4433aadb7 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update efl and illume to fix focus issues qith qtopia and softmenu etc. Sep 03 15:44:59 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3b7be9eef1f 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Turn off EVBUG Sep 03 15:45:04 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b6771382308 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme/illume-none.edj illume-theme_svn.bb): [illume-theme] For Design issue. Sep 03 15:45:07 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4b09ed97b3ef 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue. Sep 03 15:45:10 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rde02c3b12822 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg-utils] Bump up the reversion of opkg-utils to 4592 Sep 03 15:45:18 openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc38b27c34f17 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and fix up suspend on initial boot if it's slow. final change for asu release Sep 03 15:45:20 (82 lines omitted) Sep 03 15:45:29 Nooo! Sep 03 15:45:29 whoa Sep 03 15:45:34 Give us back our 82 lines! Sep 03 15:45:49 LOL Sep 03 15:46:11 It's scary when you get screens and screens of commit messages, ended by "82 lines omitted" :P Sep 03 15:46:11 Seems someone's been hard at work committing... Sep 03 15:47:11 Total lines omitted was quite near 500. Sep 03 15:47:25 great, now i have installed a gsm mux onto 2008.8 and now i can't hang up anymore Sep 03 15:47:41 each call i make seems to open up a new channel or sth Sep 03 15:47:44 why would you want to hang up Sep 03 15:47:49 lol Sep 03 15:48:07 because i've dialed a number and want to stop losing money ofc Sep 03 15:48:20 remove the battery :) Sep 03 15:48:26 i just entered reboot Sep 03 15:48:31 should work, too Sep 03 15:48:34 (i hope) Sep 03 15:50:07 eventually ;) Sep 03 15:50:29 fwiw, just ordered an iphone Sep 03 15:50:33 * phrozen77 hides Sep 03 15:50:35 not losing money is overrated Sep 03 15:50:45 yay! iphone` Sep 03 15:50:47 * ShellEvil stabs phrozen77 with a wedge lump of cheese. Sep 03 15:51:04 :O Sep 03 15:51:08 * Tanuva waves his good ol' 3510i... Sep 03 15:51:27 yo phrozen, 77 your fav number? Sep 03 15:51:33 sort of Sep 03 15:53:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r89455525b39b 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Sep 03 15:53:20 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: preliminary headphone mixer autoswitch Sep 03 15:53:20 freesmartphone.org: * add InputEvent trigger Sep 03 15:53:20 freesmartphone.org: * add Command action Sep 03 15:53:20 freesmartphone.org: * add rule for gta02 Sep 03 15:53:45 gta02 - now with MOAR RULES Sep 03 16:01:59 why do we have a kernel-module-cdrom? Sep 03 16:02:15 is it possible to get openMoko in a PMP-style configuration with no CDMA and a HDD? Sep 03 16:04:10 No. Sep 03 16:04:14 Well - yes. Sep 03 16:04:15 But no. Sep 03 16:04:32 You can install it on a small X86 box - but not in the way you mean. Sep 03 16:04:39 I want a OM camera. Sep 03 16:05:51 ahoi Sep 03 16:05:59 thebishop: What do you mean by PMP-style configuration and "no CDMA"? Sep 03 16:06:12 abraxa_, sorry, i meant no GSM Sep 03 16:06:24 basically, i want an open PMP with a hard drive and wifi Sep 03 16:06:45 i was looking at these system boards here: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm Sep 03 16:06:56 and then i remembered the openmoko project is pretty similar Sep 03 16:07:03 Well, Openmoko devices are probably a rather poor platform Sep 03 16:07:18 abraxa_, poor cpu? Sep 03 16:07:20 PMP? Sep 03 16:07:30 You get lots of stuff you don't want and you have zero space to put a hard disk Sep 03 16:07:42 viq, portable media player, like an ipod touch or archos or cowon Sep 03 16:07:55 abraxa_, i'm not so worried about the space, i could make my own chassis Sep 03 16:08:03 i'm more concerned with support on the board Sep 03 16:08:14 ah Sep 03 16:08:49 the latest qtopia went back to a loud scream in speakerphone mode Sep 03 16:08:50 thebishop: Well, there are no "variants" manufactured, so no variants to buy. You'd have to get a complete phone and toss the parts you don't want Sep 03 16:09:16 4.3.3 Sep 03 16:09:22 i'm surprised to find that there's no product on the market like this. the closest thing is probably the nokia N810, and its only got like 8gb max Sep 03 16:09:51 i think there might be a demand, especially if a healthy developer community surrounded it Sep 03 16:10:56 an some heathier hardware Sep 03 16:11:12 healthier than what? moko? Sep 03 16:12:22 thebishop: Would something like http://buglabs.net/ be anywhere near what you're looking for? Sep 03 16:12:39 Rakshasa, i've seen that thing. its cool, but i can't imagine actually using it Sep 03 16:12:54 well i think there will be some better hardware mfg's (not saying fic isnt a great hardware mfg) start making hardware for this platform Sep 03 16:13:04 Rakshasa, check out this: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm ... http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/img/x270-em-withlcd-m.jpg Sep 03 16:13:08 slaxxin: a year or two at least. Sep 03 16:13:55 thebishop: Yeah, that sounds more like a tool than a toy =P Sep 03 16:14:45 Rakshasa, i could see using bugbox if i had a job that required some specialized handheld device that didn't currently exist Sep 03 16:14:56 thebishop: you should look at the gpx2 successor Sep 03 16:15:07 pjz, does it have a hdd? Sep 03 16:15:25 has anybody used the handwriting input device on the lasest qtopia? Sep 03 16:15:29 thebishop: hmm, no, but it has an SD slot at least, maybe 2 Sep 03 16:15:35 i realise this is off-tomic, so i apologize ahead of time, but do any of you know the name of the communications company that controls everything in the battletech universe? Sep 03 16:15:44 pjz, meh :( Sep 03 16:15:49 AntonTakk: try wikipedia Sep 03 16:15:50 AntonTakk: FIC Sep 03 16:15:55 lol Sep 03 16:16:27 thebishop: also you might check out what the neuros guys are doing Sep 03 16:16:56 thebishop: though by the time you add a display and hdd and etc you've basically got a small general-purpose computer, so the netbooks or MIDs are in the niche Sep 03 16:17:26 yeah, i'm really more interested in the handheld form factor Sep 03 16:17:49 look at how excited people got with ipod homebrew... even though Apple is trying to destroy it Sep 03 16:19:57 thebishop: you might see how the archos hackers are doing these days Sep 03 16:20:38 pjz, heh, last i checked they haven't gotten too far. and besides, there should really be a device that doesn't need to be "hacked" Sep 03 16:20:55 there should be free ice-cream. Sep 03 16:21:02 i don't mind paying for ice cream Sep 03 16:21:08 however Sep 03 16:21:20 if Ben And Jerrys forced me to use their spoons, i'd be pissed Sep 03 16:22:49 thebishop: http://www.openpma.org/ says they've got linux/qtopia/wifi running on the Archos PMAs Sep 03 16:23:27 pjz, bookmarked, thanks Sep 03 16:24:53 which browser do you guys use on the FR (i have 2008.8)? the openmoko one sucks a bit Sep 03 16:25:10 * Zorkman uses minimo Sep 03 16:25:12 and i didn't figure out how to use the midori one, it probably needs some porting work Sep 03 16:25:40 thebishop: what do you need a HD for? SD cards are ginormous these days Sep 03 16:26:56 thebishop: seriously, the original archos PMAs shipped with 30GB drives... and there are now 32GB SDHC cards that will work with something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz Sep 03 16:30:04 is the cia-22 just dealing with 2008.8? Sep 03 16:46:16 Torikuns Sep 03 16:48:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4622 10/trunk/src/target/themes/ (82 files in 6 dirs): Sep 03 16:48:31 openmoko: Ass illume-theme-asu. Sep 03 16:48:31 openmoko: Provide a illume theme for ASU. Sep 03 16:52:16 all your opkg Sep 03 16:53:52 are belong to us Sep 03 16:54:00 give it a good gui to connect to a wifi network which is wpa2 protected? Sep 03 16:54:41 *gui-program Sep 03 16:59:40 what could be the cause if i am only able to use (start) GPRS if i ifup'ed my wireless before? Sep 03 16:59:58 and where does pppd tell me why it exited? Sep 03 17:00:35 (i'm still in 2008.8) Sep 03 17:01:36 routing problems I guess Sep 03 17:01:53 well its not about routing, but about pppd exiting Sep 03 17:02:01 on the console - or syslogged - if you set the DEBUG option on pppd Sep 03 17:02:22 and where do i set that^^ Sep 03 17:03:00 It may be /etc/ppp/options Sep 03 17:04:05 nevermind, it seems to work now (?!) Sep 03 17:04:25 is gprs always so "irreproducible"? Sep 03 17:04:33 :/ Sep 03 17:04:43 that it sometimes works, and sometimes it doesn't... Sep 03 17:04:46 It's not completely trivial to get a script. Sep 03 17:06:34 ok, now i'd only like to count the bytes flowing over my gprs, so i can stay below my limits Sep 03 17:06:39 any ideas? :-) Sep 03 17:06:44 ifconfig Sep 03 17:06:49 yeah thats clear Sep 03 17:06:55 but that's a silly comment. Sep 03 17:07:02 but if i turn it off, or reboot? Sep 03 17:07:48 maybe parse it out and add it up when i turn gprs off? Sep 03 17:30:01 :D Sep 03 17:30:14 Speedevil, are you still selling screen protectors? Sep 03 17:38:17 i tried to use (GNU) screen but it's not loading, the cursor jumps into the next line but that's all. how to fix? Sep 03 17:38:48 (om 2008.8) Sep 03 17:42:27 anyone here placed an order from truebox? Sep 03 17:42:52 placed mine yesterday... Sep 03 17:45:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * reca116006eba 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. Sep 03 17:45:58 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0a0bfd66510e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations Sep 03 17:45:58 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r649629d6f773 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default Sep 03 17:46:00 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r547e88e7bde7 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default Sep 03 17:46:02 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6a6b33a98de5 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default Sep 03 17:46:05 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1f4838267cfe 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon Sep 03 17:46:08 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8342d9e21288 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles Sep 03 17:46:11 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r614175e352c4 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS Sep 03 17:46:16 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd12b80aee8d8 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default Sep 03 17:55:31 Hi, Im trying out my new freerunner phone with Om2008.8, but my media player doesnt work Sep 03 17:55:37 it only worked once Sep 03 17:56:07 it starts and so on Sep 03 17:56:16 but playback just doesnt start Sep 03 17:56:22 no error message, nothing Sep 03 17:58:20 try reboot Sep 03 17:58:35 it might be that the sound has quit Sep 03 17:58:53 rebooted several times Sep 03 17:58:58 does your phone do the same Sep 03 17:59:14 mediaplayer2? Sep 03 17:59:50 what do you mean by the same Sep 03 18:00:05 yeah, I think mp2, as Ive installed it today Sep 03 18:00:10 from repos Sep 03 18:05:23 hi Sep 03 18:06:15 hi tg Sep 03 18:06:55 little question... do any of you know of a decent IRC client for the FR? Sep 03 18:07:13 irssi? Sep 03 18:07:13 :) Sep 03 18:07:32 okay, touché :P Sep 03 18:07:40 emacs + erc? :) Sep 03 18:07:46 but I meant one with a GUI that does allow you to see what you're typing :P Sep 03 18:08:12 my locations prog says: unable to locate a fix? Sep 03 18:08:18 wut does that mey Sep 03 18:08:22 *mean Sep 03 18:08:33 unlike pidgin, which shows a line of about two pixels :') Sep 03 18:08:39 yamitenshi: xhchat ought to be compilable Sep 03 18:08:59 you can edit the gtk settings? Sep 03 18:09:24 baba_melone: it means the GPS couldn't get your position. Does that for me too, it takes about 30 mins to get a first fix Sep 03 18:09:39 even though the wiki says that problem should have been solved =\ Sep 03 18:09:47 YAMI! Sep 03 18:09:52 yamitenshi: have oyu a recent kernel? Sep 03 18:10:29 yeamitenshi? so do i have to try and try again? Sep 03 18:11:27 ShellEvil: well, I have to admit, my last try was a few days ago with the 2007.2 image, I'm not sure the fix was included in that kernel Sep 03 18:11:48 ShellEvil: but I should have a recent kernel, I upgrade every day :) Sep 03 18:12:14 baba_melone: I recommend using agps-ui to turn on GPS, then letting it get a fix Sep 03 18:12:30 you can check regularly to see whether it has a fix or not Sep 03 18:16:35 and what about my media player prob, anyone else here who experienced it Sep 03 18:16:48 or am i doing sth. seriously wrong Sep 03 18:17:28 It worked one time, one lonely time, but after that reboot(and several more reboots) it didnt work anymore Sep 03 18:18:31 ShellEvil: do you by any chance know if the TTFF problem was supposed to be solved in 2007.2 as well? Sep 03 18:19:37 baba_melone: the only problem I've experienced is that it doesn't provide a feature that allows you to browse through your music by artist/album and such, but that can't really be called a bug, I think :P (unless it's there, but so badly caouflaged that it's nearly invisible, of course) Sep 03 18:20:55 hm Sep 03 18:21:36 i tried to install pidgin an fell into hell Sep 03 18:23:05 i swam through the dependencies only to get to one of the last things an it failedon the last dep. Sep 03 18:23:25 2008.8 Sep 03 18:24:27 slaxxin: worked for me, from the angstrom repo Sep 03 18:25:02 did u have many deps. Sep 03 18:25:17 i had close to 15 Sep 03 18:26:10 looks like an error of my sound system Sep 03 18:26:16 what shall I do now Sep 03 18:26:22 it was a fully upgraded 2008.8 Sep 03 18:26:22 mplayer wont work too Sep 03 18:26:46 unmute it? Sep 03 18:26:53 haha Sep 03 18:27:06 nearly funny Sep 03 18:27:15 sorry Sep 03 18:27:23 ^^no problem Sep 03 18:27:27 i like simple first Sep 03 18:27:32 Im just not dumb Sep 03 18:27:51 well if u can find your way here.... Sep 03 18:28:12 mplayer doesnt do a move Sep 03 18:28:14 u wont like my solution:) Sep 03 18:28:41 it loads the file properly(or so it seems to me) but then nothing happen Sep 03 18:28:42 s Sep 03 18:28:48 it doesnt freeze, too Sep 03 18:28:58 it just doesnt play the file Sep 03 18:29:05 and my system is not mute Sep 03 18:29:14 is that the basic 2008.8 or an upgraded ver. Sep 03 18:29:29 latest build? Sep 03 18:29:31 I downloaded it today Sep 03 18:29:34 ok Sep 03 18:29:35 yeah, latest build Sep 03 18:29:54 goodby qtopia Sep 03 18:29:58 As I said it worked for one single time which is the strangest thing to me Sep 03 18:30:37 qutopia is running very good i hate to drop it Sep 03 18:30:56 Qtopia you mean? Sep 03 18:30:59 there's no u Sep 03 18:31:00 slaxxin: hi... Sep 03 18:31:00 yes Sep 03 18:31:06 (;) Sep 03 18:31:08 how Sep 03 18:31:10 slaxxin: could you give me an estimate of battery life with it? :) Sep 03 18:31:30 well Sep 03 18:32:14 can anyone tellme what the notes app is called Sep 03 18:32:15 well, it seems to me that reinstallation would be the best? Sep 03 18:32:37 the speakerphone started squeeling again Sep 03 18:32:45 is it my whole sound system which is fucked up or only jack or pulseaudio or whatever Sep 03 18:33:08 whereas on 4.3.2 the speakerphone did work well Sep 03 18:33:22 snp Sep 03 18:34:21 mm.... Sep 03 18:34:30 gotta love dem's hurricanes Sep 03 18:34:46 it has now used 2 of 4 bars in 4 hours Sep 03 18:35:03 opkg upgrading my 2008.8 image on SD altered te kernel of my 2007.2 on internal memory Sep 03 18:35:03 Hey =) Sep 03 18:35:04 and did you use it heavy? Sep 03 18:35:13 anybody else had this problem? Sep 03 18:35:21 (I had it a few times before I think) Sep 03 18:35:25 hard to say but it seems longer than previous Sep 03 18:35:26 loool :-D Sep 03 18:35:32 sry, not here :-P Sep 03 18:36:04 ssh root@freerunner -L 2947:127.0.0.1:2947 -N <- Ah, GPS for the Notebook :-P :-P :-P Sep 03 18:36:10 has a handriting input method Sep 03 18:36:15 Zorkman: hyh? this is logical :P Sep 03 18:36:23 handwriting* Sep 03 18:36:32 haha okey... Well the reason I ask is because I ordered my freerunner yesterday and I'm going to have it as a primary phone during the time my Nokia E90 is on service.. Thought it was a good reason to start develop on the phone when I have this dilemma :). Sep 03 18:36:48 dos1? I use a different kernel for booting from SD, one that is located on my SD Sep 03 18:36:56 ieatlint: Yo Sep 03 18:37:14 snp: You'll probably not be able to use it as your primary phone... Sep 03 18:37:20 Yet :-p Sep 03 18:37:24 Does the debian image do suspend/resume reliably? Sep 03 18:37:31 Zorkman: but updater script doesn't know about that Sep 03 18:37:42 jucs: i'm using Sep 03 18:37:43 ;] Sep 03 18:37:50 jucs: You can via FSO milestones if you can accept the limited features Sep 03 18:37:53 i think if u have 4 devices using current together u will get 4 times the current used Sep 03 18:38:06 so it dont matter Sep 03 18:38:14 The audio bugs are hardware-related... I would be surprised if it worked anywhere right now... Sep 03 18:38:27 When trying to execute opkg install openmoko-kediaplayer I get error code 2 Sep 03 18:38:34 i assume that theres no gps on in qtopia Sep 03 18:38:35 i'm using freerunner as primary phone with 2007.2 Sep 03 18:38:46 baba_melone: openmoko-mediaplayer2 Sep 03 18:38:53 anyone has a link to a recent 2007.2 kernel? can't find one on http://downloads.openmoko.org/ Sep 03 18:38:55 dos1: and you have good battery life? Well reasonable.. Sep 03 18:38:56 k Sep 03 18:38:57 dos1: So your mades might be very indolent... Sep 03 18:39:06 dos1: I use ScaredyCat on my gta01 as my primary phone, but gsm is unreliable Sep 03 18:39:18 snp: ~6 hours, if you're lucky... Sep 03 18:39:19 snp: ~1,5 days Sep 03 18:39:25 dos1: o.O Sep 03 18:39:39 i have stable suspend Sep 03 18:39:54 well thanks :) Sep 03 18:39:55 dos1: Really? Which images? Sep 03 18:39:56 maybe in sleep with no phone calles or anything Sep 03 18:40:00 wurp2|working: on my gta02 gsm is preatty stable Sep 03 18:40:29 There's significant GSM interference and echo. At least the GSM interference is hardware-related.... as described on the mailing list... Sep 03 18:40:36 slaxxin: As far as I could tell, suspend/resume in vanilla FSO MS1 was completely reliable Sep 03 18:40:36 need to repository these so called good images Sep 03 18:40:41 wurp2|working: buildhost and all repos, which i found - asu stable, testing, unstable, buildhost's, angstrom's Sep 03 18:40:42 So, dos1, how did you fix this? Sep 03 18:41:27 dos1, may I call you? Sep 03 18:41:53 jucs: i don't have interference, and echo i refused with alsa mixer settings, but it is still noticable - i don't tried AT command yet Sep 03 18:42:06 jucs - you want to call to poland? ;p Sep 03 18:42:15 Yes, no problem :-P Sep 03 18:42:35 dos is that yesterdays image? Sep 03 18:43:18 slaxxin: i flashed image about one mouth ago, and i'm daily updating from repos Sep 03 18:43:45 just a silly question: is it possible to play diablo II with qemu and wine... Sep 03 18:43:48 wurp2|working: isn't suspend only issue of kernel? Sep 03 18:44:13 i have latest daily kernel from buildhost, and i don't have problems with suspend Sep 03 18:44:16 and then wrap the accelerometers around a keyboard Sep 03 18:44:29 only with bluetooth after suspend ;] Sep 03 18:44:38 dos1: So your wireless lan, gps and sound still work normal after resume? Sep 03 18:44:47 jucs: yes Sep 03 18:44:51 Strange... Sep 03 18:45:23 sound - i have pulseaudio fix in /etc/apm scripts Sep 03 18:45:31 You must have a have a different freerunner than me *fg* Sep 03 18:45:53 suspend is stable and is not waking up by gsm due to gsm scripts in /etc/apm ;] Sep 03 18:46:06 wlan - i don't have and didn't have problems Sep 03 18:46:24 Mine is dead after suspend :-P Sep 03 18:46:42 i have only problems with stability of matchbox, pidgin and opkg :] Sep 03 18:47:02 the first i workarounded by script Sep 03 18:47:03 pidgin.... always crashes while logging into XMPP :-( Sep 03 18:47:22 I've also got a matchbox-restart-script :-P Sep 03 18:47:23 what sound system does om use Sep 03 18:47:26 jucs: mine is crashing when it has a mood to crash :P Sep 03 18:47:27 pulseaudio Sep 03 18:47:30 jack? Sep 03 18:47:38 baba_melone: in 2007.2 pulseaudio Sep 03 18:47:39 :-P Sep 03 18:47:40 baba_melone: assuming you manage to cross-compile wine (or it's in the repos already), then yes, you can play diablo II with wine. Assuming you can play it with one mouse button and only very few keys, and you manage to wrap the accelerometers around a keyboard. Sep 03 18:47:52 lindi-: mwester made a patch for suspend/resume that requires the userspace to prepare the sound system before & after suspend/resume Sep 03 18:47:58 dos1: What about your headset, is it working while calling? Sep 03 18:48:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00cc6d91b09b 10/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Sep 03 18:48:01 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: SMS notification: Sep 03 18:48:01 freesmartphone.org: * add IncomingMessage trigger Sep 03 18:48:01 freesmartphone.org: * add MessageTone action Sep 03 18:48:01 freesmartphone.org: * add rule Sep 03 18:48:17 jucs: while calling no, but i don't use it Sep 03 18:48:31 hmm, i think no Sep 03 18:48:35 i don't remember :] Sep 03 18:48:46 and which sound system in 2008.8 Sep 03 18:48:58 :-P Sep 03 18:48:58 but without call swithing to headset is working Sep 03 18:49:06 i'm sure Sep 03 18:49:07 ;] Sep 03 18:49:16 Well okay, calling without the headset works so-so... but there's no way with it yet... :-P Sep 03 18:49:35 But you said something about bluetooth.... have you tried to get a bluetooth headset working? Sep 03 18:49:36 and is mediaplayer2 using pulseaudio, too? Sep 03 18:49:47 jucs: no, i don't have bluetooth headset ;] Sep 03 18:49:50 Xora, is buildhost down? Sep 03 18:49:53 Hey jucs :D Sep 03 18:49:55 :-D Sep 03 18:49:58 Hey Dave :-P Sep 03 18:50:06 Did anyone get a bluetooth-headset working? Sep 03 18:50:08 i was only playing with remoko on 2008.8 Sep 03 18:50:16 :P Sep 03 18:50:20 wiimoko? :P Sep 03 18:50:28 XD Sep 03 18:50:28 Because this would solve the problem with the interference, so I think about buying one... but Linux and bluetooth.... Sep 03 18:50:42 2008.8 and Qtopia i have on sd card Sep 03 18:50:53 jucs: what? BlueZ has BT 2.1 certificate Sep 03 18:51:02 jucs: linux and "everything" ... :) Sep 03 18:51:12 or somethink like that :x Sep 03 18:51:13 well I will try get my jabra headset working when I get the phone.. Sep 03 18:51:16 something* Sep 03 18:51:31 yeah i'm thinking about getting a bt headset too Sep 03 18:51:35 Actually me and bluetooth... I have never ever been able to use it... Sep 03 18:51:36 :-D Sep 03 18:51:54 snp: So I'll be interested in the outcome :-P Sep 03 18:52:16 Has anyone been able to use a bt headset with a neo? Sep 03 18:52:23 I had problems before years ago but this new headset I bought in october has been working really well on my e90 Sep 03 18:52:29 jucs: will let you know :) Sep 03 18:52:29 I've never heard of a success with it, I don't think. Sep 03 18:52:35 snp: Thanks :-) Sep 03 18:52:39 Dave: buildhost is off forever, see email lists Sep 03 18:53:18 XorA|gone: where can I get a recent 2007.2 kernel? Sep 03 18:53:40 does anyone know how the mouse cursor is actually hidden in the Xserver?(would like to know cause of work related stuff) Sep 03 18:53:43 downloads.openmoko.org Sep 03 18:55:00 Did anyone get openmoko-mail to work? Sep 03 18:55:02 snp, iirc it was a startup-flag for the x server Sep 03 18:56:09 give it a option to move windows in illume? Sep 03 18:56:20 phrozen77: hmm... That easy? Sep 03 18:56:41 phrozen77: but can you still use for instance a touch screen driver? Sep 03 18:56:53 and use it as a "mouse pointer" Sep 03 18:57:05 How can I turn off f*** suspend Sep 03 18:57:12 XorA|gone: these are all for gta01: http://downloads.openmoko.org/obsolete/snapshots/2007.08/images/ I really can't find 2007.2 kernels... Sep 03 18:57:15 it really sucks if youre working with ssh Sep 03 18:57:24 i cant turn it off in the settings Sep 03 18:57:36 baba_melone: 2008.8? Sep 03 18:57:40 or 2007.2? Sep 03 18:57:41 it has no effect to switch suspend to off Sep 03 18:57:42 yes Sep 03 18:57:45 2008.8 Sep 03 18:58:03 baba_melone: in settings, there's a suspend option. click it a few times and it shoudl say "Off" Sep 03 18:58:28 see above: it has no effect to switch suspend to off Sep 03 18:58:40 Zorkman: wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Sep 03 18:58:43 openmoko: 03alphaone * r4623 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/startup_unintrusive.mp3: artwork/sounds: Replace startup_unintrusive.mp3 with same version as .wav Sep 03 18:58:44 see also above: I cant turn it off in the settings Sep 03 18:58:51 baba_melone: it does here Sep 03 18:58:52 baba_melone: xset => switch the screensaver off Sep 03 18:59:22 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 baba_melone Sep 03 19:00:07 baba_melone: you can find a workaround at this trac ticet Sep 03 19:00:09 *ticket Sep 03 19:00:13 Zorkman: kernel is the same for 2007.2 2008.8 FSO etc etc Sep 03 19:00:42 snp: in 2007.2 cursor is hiding by matchbox-window-manager Sep 03 19:00:51 is hidden by* Sep 03 19:00:54 eh, my english ;] Sep 03 19:01:17 dos1: thx, then I will look into that documentation Sep 03 19:01:21 How can I debug music playing Sep 03 19:01:36 or which part of the software is responsible for music playback Sep 03 19:01:44 XorA|gone: I always upgraded my 2007.2 image, but the booting always looked very different than with 2008.8 (there were never [ 2.65997] messages for example... but I will try flashing it Sep 03 19:02:08 mplayer or mediaplayer2 are not source of my problem Sep 03 19:02:13 as they both dont work Sep 03 19:02:28 so shich software is not doing good work in my case Sep 03 19:02:43 what is between the speakers and mplayer Sep 03 19:02:51 baba_melone: alsa Sep 03 19:02:55 snp: You could perhaps take a look at the source of unclutter. However, be warned that it has some bad interactions with mouse-grabbing applications. Sep 03 19:03:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * re415c538ddd4 10/sounds/notify_message.mp3: add notify_message.mp3 Sep 03 19:03:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * rfcadedec0829 10/sounds/notify_message.mp3: add sms notification message to artwork/sounds Sep 03 19:03:22 alexxy: Sep 03 19:03:24 argh Sep 03 19:03:30 alephnull: what is unclutter? Sep 03 19:04:09 snp: http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/unclutter.html Sep 03 19:04:45 alephnull: gracias Sep 03 19:05:02 np Sep 03 19:07:52 How do I debug alsa Sep 03 19:08:03 alsamixer does not show anything strange Sep 03 19:08:09 how can I test it Sep 03 19:08:18 find out why music playback doesnt work Sep 03 19:08:23 phoning does work indeed Sep 03 19:10:33 baba_melone_: can't you just strace it while launching it in the terminal?(just a wild guess) Sep 03 19:16:34 hi. I'm trying to order my FreeRunner 900 from the US, but my PayPal account keep rejecting the transaction from Koolu. Anyone else had this problem? Sep 03 19:18:56 are u in the us? Sep 03 19:19:15 no, but i send it to a US address Sep 03 19:19:16 are u going to use your phone in the us? Sep 03 19:19:24 ok Sep 03 19:20:01 can you recommand another US vendor? Sep 03 19:20:18 the other official vendor does not have the 900 model in stock Sep 03 19:21:08 tomer: I ordered mine fine through Koolu Sep 03 19:21:24 Someone in my LUG bought one from Ebay Sep 03 19:21:26 worked fine Sep 03 19:21:44 tomer: I advise that you do not buy a freerunner Sep 03 19:22:07 Torikun, how come? Sep 03 19:22:19 2 unstable Sep 03 19:22:21 not useable Sep 03 19:22:31 should not be available for purchase Sep 03 19:22:33 hardware issues? Sep 03 19:22:35 My podcast goes more indepth Sep 03 19:22:41 hardware is good, software is crap Sep 03 19:22:49 well, give it time :D Sep 03 19:22:59 you should polish the framework ;) Sep 03 19:23:00 It needs too much time Sep 03 19:23:10 could you point me to your blog? Sep 03 19:23:11 http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id=116 tomer Sep 03 19:23:20 that was fast :P Sep 03 19:23:41 Torikun: lol Sep 03 19:23:54 it's normal, that software for developers has bugs... Sep 03 19:24:02 dos1: not for 400 bucks Sep 03 19:24:25 Torikun: The software is free ;-) Sep 03 19:24:27 and developers will be able to buy hardware, what will run their software Sep 03 19:24:31 lol Sep 03 19:24:54 You should not buy the FR if you expect a hassle-free (or even a hassle-light) phone Sep 03 19:25:10 I want to make phone calls and text with not worries at a minimum Sep 03 19:25:16 If you want a mobile dev platform that supports making & taking gsm calls, it's the only game in town Sep 03 19:25:18 i'm looking forward for the hassle... Sep 03 19:25:30 Torikun: Then install FSO Milestone 2 & be happy Sep 03 19:25:30 have a backup phone Sep 03 19:25:47 Torikun: lol? in your opinion OM should extra pay by selling over costs of hardware? (hmm, i don't know that i said in english exacly what i mean ;]) Sep 03 19:25:48 I agree that you should have a backup phone Sep 03 19:25:58 I do use my gta01 as my only phone, but I also sometime lose calls Sep 03 19:26:42 lose calls? what do you mean? Sep 03 19:26:43 Torikun: FSO Milestone2 will make phone calls & text with no worries Sep 03 19:27:01 tomer: The gsm loses its connection to the network, so I don't know that I got a call Sep 03 19:27:57 tomer: Different releases have different problems, but every release has problems. Although afaik the only problem (other than some very minor bugs) with FSO Milestone 2 is that it is light on features Sep 03 19:28:30 Torikun, did you use PayPal for the order? Sep 03 19:28:30 for example, no call history and no address book :-( Sep 03 19:28:37 Yes Sep 03 19:29:03 tomer: You have been warned. Do as you want ofcourse =) Sep 03 19:32:34 Torikun, for now, i just can't order it Sep 03 19:32:56 i'll just wait for OpenMoko to have them in stock Sep 03 19:40:04 ebay has only one, and its the 850 model Sep 03 19:41:08 tomer: What state you in? I can give you a deal @! Sep 03 19:41:46 i live in Israel, but i want it to sent to my company in the states Sep 03 19:42:00 California I hope? Sep 03 19:42:26 NJ Sep 03 19:42:30 ah Sep 03 19:42:38 no go? Sep 03 19:42:47 I was hopeing you were close Sep 03 19:42:51 I can just drop it off Sep 03 19:43:13 Torikun, just how many do you have in stock...? Sep 03 19:43:42 the one I bought a few weeks ago Sep 03 19:43:58 you giving up so quickly? Sep 03 19:44:09 I need something stable Sep 03 19:51:45 tomer how many i want? Sep 03 19:51:51 hi all, I have the neo freerunner, but I cant call, I have a vodafone-es SIM 64K. Do you have problems with the sim card? Sep 03 19:51:53 you* Sep 03 19:52:20 slaxxin, heh, one would be fine for now Sep 03 19:52:34 danigm: looked at the list on the wiki? Sep 03 19:52:44 of problems with operators.. Sep 03 19:52:58 if the contacts touch the sim holder on the edge that can short circuit the sim an cause not to register Sep 03 19:53:06 danigm, where did you buy your FreeRunner? Sep 03 19:53:20 I buy it by internet Sep 03 19:53:41 danigm: which web site? Sep 03 19:54:34 here http://openmoko.infoblitz.net/ Sep 03 19:55:28 <|FiLiP|> hi all, anyone following shr ? Sep 03 19:56:00 <|FiLiP|> i want ot give it a shot, what build is useable (the latest daily, or is there a better one) Sep 03 19:56:01 I try to call with qtopia, but neither work Sep 03 19:56:37 SHR .. no, no idea, but I also want to try it if there is some usable build Sep 03 19:57:12 slaxxin: you got something? Sep 03 19:57:18 no Sep 03 19:57:41 slaxxin: you have any idea why i cant make the buy? Sep 03 19:58:16 might be your billing address? Sep 03 19:58:51 mmm Sep 03 19:58:57 gonna check it out Sep 03 19:58:58 have someone at "your company in the us do it for u Sep 03 19:59:20 thanks Sep 03 20:02:05 u might call your bank an see if they denied your transaction thinking it was a bullshiit deal Sep 03 20:03:14 just as soon as i made my transaction my bank called an i mean immediatly ,to make sure i ordered from openmoko Sep 03 20:05:05 my bank never calls me Sep 03 20:05:13 i make really random purchases all the time... Sep 03 20:06:03 i dont though Sep 03 20:06:22 rooly u have 2008.8 Sep 03 20:06:25 ? Sep 03 20:06:31 maybe you are on a watchlist Sep 03 20:06:33 <--2009.09.02 Sep 03 20:06:43 i just installed 20080903 Sep 03 20:06:58 maybe Sep 03 20:06:59 slaxxin: no Sep 03 20:07:15 i'm sticking with the 2007 release until it's no longer slow Sep 03 20:07:24 ouch Sep 03 20:07:25 2007 is old Sep 03 20:07:39 but it starts up fast and i haven't had any calling trouble for a month Sep 03 20:07:50 I may switch to qtopia Sep 03 20:07:52 but 2007.2 is still better than 2008.8 Sep 03 20:08:01 i'm waiting for SHR Sep 03 20:08:03 200808 is incomplete shit Sep 03 20:08:11 I heard that they will dtop wt and adopt FSO Sep 03 20:08:12 2008.8 is python Sep 03 20:08:23 maybe if i found enouth time i will help with SHR :] Sep 03 20:08:26 They went from GTk -> QT + GTK -> something + FSO Sep 03 20:08:26 and therefore, super slow Sep 03 20:08:48 Torikun: lolwut? FSO is not a toolkit Sep 03 20:08:56 APPS Sep 03 20:09:01 qt is stupid slow, python is stupid slow, combining the two is stupider slow Sep 03 20:09:04 for the calling base dos1 Sep 03 20:09:14 oh, sorry Sep 03 20:09:14 ;] Sep 03 20:09:15 They need to have a stable base Sep 03 20:09:22 that is what pisses me off Sep 03 20:09:22 hi all! hehe my bank called to make sure also (even though I make random purchases too-- they didn't question buying cars via creditcard>Paypal) Sep 03 20:09:28 rooly: gtk is slower :( Sep 03 20:09:35 than qt Sep 03 20:09:52 if gtk is slower, why does it startup in a 3rd the time Sep 03 20:10:01 QT = fail Sep 03 20:10:16 why does my phone finish booting in under a minute using 2007, as opposed to 2 minutes or more using qt Sep 03 20:10:26 rooly: what does startup time with used toolkit? Sep 03 20:10:35 why is my battery life twice as long using 2007 Sep 03 20:10:49 dos1: i'm more comparing the merits of each OS Sep 03 20:10:54 not so much the toolkit Sep 03 20:11:04 rooly: so say 2007.2 and 2008.8, no gtk and qt Sep 03 20:11:05 :P Sep 03 20:11:12 qt is not slow Sep 03 20:11:13 i'm sorry Sep 03 20:11:31 qt IS slow, quothe the raster Sep 03 20:11:36 GREAT SUCCESS! lol Sep 03 20:11:42 lemme rephrase Sep 03 20:11:43 x is slow Sep 03 20:11:49 the qtopia x11 port is slow Sep 03 20:12:22 lpotter: I here a web browser will be released soon? Sep 03 20:12:30 for QT Sep 03 20:12:40 ...google chrome... Sep 03 20:12:42 * rooly snickers Sep 03 20:12:51 Torikun: Along with the Qtopia 4.4 release :) Sep 03 20:12:55 Torikun: with 4.4 afaik Sep 03 20:12:57 will wifi work Sep 03 20:13:33 lpotter: btw.. do you know of the bug, that when a call comes in with latst image.. it gets registered twice Sep 03 20:14:12 and even when you send busy to one of them the other keeps ringing :) Sep 03 20:14:48 didnt mean to cause a FLAME war Sep 03 20:14:53 GNU/OpenMoko! Sep 03 20:14:56 Bill_: have the same issue and i got my first wsofd:-) Sep 03 20:15:20 but the new "Smart" theme is really nice.. altho the keylock removing numpad is about 9th of the scren Sep 03 20:15:40 malik1972: heh.. old :) you get used to getting the battery out :) Sep 03 20:15:48 like a silly high school homecoming Sep 03 20:16:11 FLAME ON @! Sep 03 20:16:44 Bill_: i thought it would be a myth... Sep 03 20:17:00 oh trust me.. it's no myth Sep 03 20:17:46 are there actually updates available to 2008.8 now? Sep 03 20:18:15 I have been using OM2007 for the features and stability, but I could boot to the other partitions some too Sep 03 20:18:39 Infoport: there are daily updates to 20080808 Sep 03 20:20:00 Torikun, oh no, not going to trick me-- do you mean the Aug 8 release of OM2007, or the ASU/2008.8 release? Sep 03 20:20:43 Torikun do you mean official updates, or the ones provided by Zecke? Sep 03 20:21:15 official I guess Sep 03 20:21:32 Infoport: 2008.08 is actualy 2009.09.03 Sep 03 20:21:38 /o\ I lost my illume keyboard with update Sep 03 20:21:47 opkg update will give you updates daily most of the time Sep 03 20:21:51 still works like ass though Sep 03 20:23:23 Torikun, hmm... glad I have them on separate partitions then. I notice updates for the Qtopia image too, guess I have some maintaining to do on my FR Sep 03 20:23:55 account on 0 Sep 03 20:23:59 yup Sep 03 20:24:01 * johnsu01 sighs Sep 03 20:24:50 yea that 4.3,3 image has handwriting recog Sep 03 20:25:02 anybody know about the Qtopia binary update? Is it made to only handle Qtopia as main image, or works on a partition? Sep 03 20:25:55 Fixed: sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting confused between two calls. Make default call volume down and mic up. Added echo fix. Sep 03 20:27:36 an the call volume was too low imho Sep 03 20:28:02 mic wasbetter though Sep 03 20:29:46 Whole lotta folks here Sep 03 20:30:22 shhh most of them are sleeping :) Sep 03 20:30:41 Ain't it always the case? Sep 03 20:30:44 or quitting :) Sep 03 20:31:09 It's nap time in tinkle town. Sep 03 20:31:30 GMT+2 ? Sep 03 20:33:01 GMT+2 is sleepyville, GMT+8 is tinkle town Sep 03 20:34:00 * RayDar is in silly valley Sep 03 20:34:15 +8 is wakey wakey good morning :) Sep 03 20:34:58 * RayDar is thinking about replacing his lightswitches with zwave ones Sep 03 20:35:08 i just installed mplayer Sep 03 20:35:13 damn its slow Sep 03 20:35:23 hehe Sep 03 20:35:28 ok, looks like the Qtopia update script is independent of where it is installed, as long as it is booted Sep 03 20:35:31 is there something useable for playing videos ? Sep 03 20:35:36 peter__b: Can you actually play videos? Sep 03 20:35:57 yeah+ Sep 03 20:36:11 just tried an old small mpeg Sep 03 20:36:17 runs with about 3fps Sep 03 20:36:36 peter__b: There is/was an open source video player called TCPMP for Palm (and I think later for Windows Mobile) that does a fine job of playing video and MP3 audio. Perhaps that could be ported. Sep 03 20:36:45 no matter if i se xv x11 or sdl Sep 03 20:38:18 +nobody tried the glamo accelerated mplayer version ? Sep 03 20:38:28 peter__b: Do you have balrog-kun's patched mplayer that uses the hw acceleration? Sep 03 20:38:28 * peter__b wasnt able to get it compilde Sep 03 20:38:46 :-) Sep 03 20:38:48 Sorry, you answered my Q while I was asking it :-) Sep 03 20:39:16 I would think there would be a precompiled ipk somewhere Sep 03 20:39:19 but I dunno where Sep 03 20:40:38 * peter__b asks google Sep 03 20:44:11 peter__b: What is the resolution of the mpeg? Sep 03 20:44:30 'cause you're going to get crap framerates on anything bigger than 320x240, anyway Sep 03 20:45:26 its 352x240 Sep 03 20:45:45 * peter__b is looking for another mpg Sep 03 20:46:11 That shouldn't be that slow... Sep 03 20:46:51 how big is the debian install 500megs? Sep 03 20:46:55 Are accelerometers always on or they can be disabled for power management ? Sep 03 20:48:03 write_erase: would they consume any power if no application is already using them ? Sep 03 20:48:29 hmm I didn't ever fix booting for Qtopia after I borked the phone, looks like something is wrong with my uBoot command, or the image Sep 03 20:48:38 hi, what's the best way to delete all contacts in the addressbook? (2008.8) Sep 03 20:49:13 guess I'll boot a diff OS and poke around Sep 03 20:49:47 CVirus, this is what I'd like to know... Sep 03 20:50:04 write_erase: same Sep 03 20:56:18 I'm trying to build an ipkg for arora, a web browser, based on webkit Sep 03 20:56:24 off for a bit while ASU updates (I notice that Zecke's repo fails-- he must have pull it after official repo came up) Sep 03 20:56:47 but I can't figure out how to do that. the Toolchain tutorial isn't clear enough Sep 03 20:57:26 what are people using for external keyboards? Sep 03 20:57:32 I'm looking at a frogpad, but it's so expensive Sep 03 20:58:43 paroneayea: iGo Think Outside Sep 03 21:05:15 wurp2|working: looks interesting... thanks Sep 03 21:06:50 paroneayea: welcome :-) Sep 03 21:09:08 hi Sep 03 21:18:53 I guess ASCII isn't forever Sep 03 21:19:03 lol Sep 03 21:19:10 cant get illum-config to install-fatal Sep 03 21:27:11 another of my belowed program trackdowns: Sep 03 21:27:32 which program turns off the screen when you are in a phone call? Sep 03 21:27:40 (2008.8) Sep 03 21:27:54 it's not the dialer itself? Sep 03 21:27:57 i *hope* that it is not the dialer?! Sep 03 21:28:00 ? Sep 03 21:28:16 i don't know, just would figure that the dialer would do that Sep 03 21:28:35 well, can i get access to the bloody qtopia dialer's source...? Sep 03 21:28:42 yes Sep 03 21:28:48 where? Sep 03 21:28:51 it's supposed to be open source, so you should Sep 03 21:29:15 trolltechs qtopia site isnt exactly verbose on that Sep 03 21:29:21 I s'pose the trolls have it somewhere Sep 03 21:29:32 ask ljp, he's the local evangelist Sep 03 21:29:38 :D Sep 03 21:29:44 * rooly sighs Sep 03 21:29:50 chrome has a huge codebase Sep 03 21:30:15 Because they don't believe in standing on other people's shoulders... Sep 03 21:30:42 i've been downloading their svn for probably an hour and a half now Sep 03 21:31:11 i think google's gonna get evil in the not to distant future Sep 03 21:31:59 they are kinda circling around evil, yes Sep 03 21:32:26 * ShellEvil hides. Sep 03 21:32:38 google is yet another "smart" monopoly Sep 03 21:32:39 Any update on: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 Sep 03 21:32:39 palyed well Sep 03 21:36:06 how can I have raster's keyboard ? I had it once, but now it is gone :/ Sep 03 21:36:30 Deubeuliou: how gone? don't have the qwerty button anymore? Sep 03 21:37:52 yes, I have it. but it pops the keyboard that doesn't have a tab button, have the predictive thing etc. Sep 03 21:37:58 I think I have found :) Sep 03 21:38:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F Sep 03 21:38:52 just turn the old one off Sep 03 21:39:05 2. add "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia (Turn off buildin qtopia keyboard) Sep 03 21:41:11 * md2k7 just downloaded a 110 MB Qtopia source tarball to notice that it contains everything but just no dialer Sep 03 21:42:01 or maybe i'm too dumb to find it Sep 03 21:42:08 yeah, thanks :) Sep 03 21:42:53 why is not the better looking theme on the media player? Sep 03 21:45:56 well its not the dialer Sep 03 21:46:10 but it might still be the qt stuff, am i right? Sep 03 21:50:49 hi Sep 03 21:52:24 ho Sep 03 21:53:38 df -h reports my rootfs to be 256MB: rootfs 246.6M 76.6M 170.0M 31% / -- how's that? (my FR's DateCode is 20080725) Sep 03 21:53:52 woha remoko is cool Sep 03 21:55:08 did they increase the internal SDram until 256MB with new stock of FRs? Sep 03 21:55:49 Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk, error 404 Sep 03 21:55:55 * md2k7 also gets 256MB reported Sep 03 21:56:04 No, SDRAM is still 128M (use "free" not "df"). The NAND flash is 256M on Freerunner, 64M on Neo1973. Sep 03 21:56:44 slaxxin: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35727-r13_all.ipk Sep 03 21:58:02 thanks Sep 03 21:58:27 maybe we should update the link in the wiki, altough its not difficult to find the file Sep 03 21:59:21 opkg update Sep 03 21:59:49 mhm Sep 03 21:59:55 Package illume-config-illume md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Sep 03 22:00:26 force it Sep 03 22:00:54 * SpeedEvil passes slaxxin some package lube. Sep 03 22:01:01 lol Sep 03 22:01:26 same Sep 03 22:01:43 opkg install -force-overwrite install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35727-r13_all.ipk Sep 03 22:02:00 Package illume-config-illume md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Sep 03 22:02:27 i couldnt get the installer to do it either Sep 03 22:02:29 the package is broken Sep 03 22:02:35 where did you get it from? Sep 03 22:02:56 i tried the installer first Sep 03 22:02:57 interesting, i seem to remember it worked for me. maybe that was an older version Sep 03 22:03:09 try a different package Sep 03 22:03:30 i dont know which to pic Sep 03 22:04:02 just take another one Sep 03 22:04:37 any other Sep 03 22:07:24 slaxxin: do opkg -force-reinstall -force-overwrite install illume-config-illume illumine-keyboard-(one you want from opkg list | grep illumine-keyboard) Sep 03 22:09:00 note to guy who just cut me off at a stop sign: don't do it when a cop is immediately behind you Sep 03 22:09:33 hehe Sep 03 22:21:10 anyone have any sane .asoundrc files for gta02? Sep 03 22:24:29 The requested URL /repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk was not found on this server. Sep 03 22:28:52 raster has ran off with all the good keyboards Sep 03 22:30:20 slaxxin: i wish illume keyboard could be a standalone program Sep 03 22:30:50 can u link me to a file? Sep 03 22:31:12 which file? Sep 03 22:31:17 lindi-: I wish that too.. Sep 03 22:31:39 anyways, i have garbled sound, any idea what's the easiest way to record a sample? Sep 03 22:31:39 lindi-: illume still doesn't compile? Sep 03 22:31:51 edistar: it does but i haven't figured out how to activate the keyboard module Sep 03 22:31:59 via dbus afaik Sep 03 22:32:07 the http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk, Sep 03 22:32:08 rright Sep 03 22:32:25 or a correct file Sep 03 22:32:44 acts like the server is down Sep 03 22:33:03 maybe i need reboot Sep 03 22:36:29 so, something on the fso/qtopia/etc branches seem to be automatically switching between different alsa states Sep 03 22:36:41 this doesn't seem to be the case on debian, at least not for the 1973 Sep 03 22:36:56 qtopia does that Sep 03 22:37:03 paroneayea: fso-frameworkd does alsactl restore Sep 03 22:37:17 paroneayea: on debian Sep 03 22:37:31 lindi-: ah really? how come it doesn't seem to work for the 1973, I wonder... Sep 03 22:37:37 paroneayea: strace Sep 03 22:37:38 maybe it's just not set up to switch states on the 1973... Sep 03 22:37:49 you know, I had to install these states manually Sep 03 22:37:52 lindi-: milestone 3 will be ready this weekend, so debian fso packages will be updated soon I presume? Sep 03 22:38:00 edistar: ask nomeata :) Sep 03 22:38:08 because they didn't work on the 1973 earlier Sep 03 22:38:34 edistar: all incoming audio is garbled and barely understandable, i'd like to figure out a way to record a sample of this to a bug report :) Sep 03 22:38:39 paroneayea: ah, the states are different for each device Sep 03 22:39:03 edistar: how should I know where to place the state files that fso-frameworkd uses? Sep 03 22:39:16 paroneayea: dpkg -L fso-frameworkd | grep state Sep 03 22:39:23 lindi-: isn't there a convenient cli tool that records straight through alsa? Sep 03 22:39:33 edistar: i only found wishlist items in wiki Sep 03 22:39:42 paroneayea: where it always is.. Sep 03 22:40:18 lindi-: but you can tell alsa to pipe it to a file Sep 03 22:40:28 and that file will contain raw audio Sep 03 22:40:32 lindi-: Oh! I see Sep 03 22:40:51 edistar: but does alsa see the audio? Sep 03 22:41:02 it should! Sep 03 22:41:02 edistar: i think the audio path goes directly from gsm chip to speaker Sep 03 22:41:09 edistar: and not through the ARM processor Sep 03 22:41:20 lindi-: not quite Sep 03 22:41:32 but it can be reconfigured with alsa i suppose Sep 03 22:41:35 lindi-: maybe ask mickey, he indicated once that it's possible to route through alsa Sep 03 22:41:35 lindi-: it first goes through a maze of twisty mixers, all the same Sep 03 22:41:55 lindi-: the mixer chip is horrifically configurable. Sep 03 22:42:01 anyways, what i hear sounds like really heavy sound compression Sep 03 22:42:19 lindi-: ok, so the files that come with that package are for the freerunner. I have some which work with the 1973 Sep 03 22:42:23 I think mic input goes directly to gsm Sep 03 22:42:39 should I package a 1973-specific package or something? Sep 03 22:42:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_ALSA_Mapping.png Sep 03 22:42:39 edistar: it doesn't, it's goes through the mixer chip. Sep 03 22:42:53 SpeedEvil: ah, okey Sep 03 22:44:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4d9a7d72577c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): Sep 03 22:44:17 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: remove strength field in Status() callback and result, _if_ Sep 03 22:44:17 freesmartphone.org: * we are successfully registered and Sep 03 22:44:17 freesmartphone.org: * signal strength has been reported as 0 Sep 03 22:44:18 freesmartphone.org: This is actually a race condition in some modems. Sep 03 22:46:19 bricode: ping Sep 03 22:46:31 marcel_m: Howdy. Sep 03 22:46:36 hi Sep 03 22:46:52 hmm is there any place where i can get daily built kernels with modules? some time ago there where on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ Sep 03 22:46:58 Was wondering, are you the host of the "celtune" repo? Sep 03 22:47:06 yes its mine Sep 03 22:47:23 marcel_m: based on the OE bitbake stuff? Sep 03 22:47:30 the server is (rabenfrost) is hosted by josch Sep 03 22:47:46 bricode: yes Sep 03 22:48:06 marcel_m: Would you be willing to mirror it? Sep 03 22:48:07 i guess it installed anyways Sep 03 22:48:22 yes why not :) Sep 03 22:48:45 marcel_m: Cool. There are some handy packages in there. Sep 03 22:49:12 oh thanks nice to see that they are usefull :) Sep 03 22:49:44 * Zorkman seconds that, celtune has come in VERY handy Sep 03 22:50:02 tx Zorkman :) Sep 03 22:50:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r672b152c46d4 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Test MT and MO PDUs and fix some sms. instead of self. errors Sep 03 22:50:51 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rf6cd13c2196d 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): (log message trimmed) Sep 03 22:50:51 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix various functions in convert.py and padding/udl calculation Sep 03 22:50:52 freesmartphone.org: in PDU generation Sep 03 22:50:54 freesmartphone.org: convert.py: Sep 03 22:50:56 freesmartphone.org: * encodePDUNumber is new and supports alphanumeric addresses as well Sep 03 22:50:58 freesmartphone.org: * bcd_encode works with odd numbers of digits Sep 03 22:51:00 freesmartphone.org: * pack_sevenbit now correctly handles padding Sep 03 22:53:15 hmm, i need faraday's cage for my audio recording instruments or i'll only hear gsm interference :P Sep 03 22:53:29 lindi-: ask faraday! Sep 03 22:53:39 faraday: ping ;) Sep 03 22:53:57 lindi-: seriously, I can't reproduce the problem.. Sep 03 22:54:00 * Kamping_Kaiser can lend you a shed with faraday-cage liike properties Sep 03 22:54:01 when you call? Sep 03 22:55:09 my shed does it to radio, not gsm (thankfully) Sep 03 22:56:06 other way round would be better, then you could relax more and tell your boss the call didn't go through ;) Sep 03 22:57:33 hehe. Sep 03 22:58:29 retrying, now the mic is inside anti-static plastic bag Sep 03 23:01:24 hrm, the gsm intererence is still pretty strong Sep 03 23:01:48 strange Sep 03 23:02:01 have you tried to apply the AT command to the modem? Sep 03 23:02:20 the one about the echo reduction? Sep 03 23:02:22 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r652eac1c7111 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. Sep 03 23:02:22 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r9159585838c6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations Sep 03 23:02:23 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r514f5d86bf50 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default Sep 03 23:02:23 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf00063ace9cd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default Sep 03 23:02:26 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r27c6b483d277 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon Sep 03 23:02:29 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rc8e1e1c1970e 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles Sep 03 23:02:32 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r5202ad13eab0 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS Sep 03 23:02:33 edistar: not yet Sep 03 23:02:35 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra73b36e8e836 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default Sep 03 23:02:40 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rc2b6736dbf31 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default Sep 03 23:03:11 lindi-: try, it's quite easy to test Sep 03 23:06:23 hello Sep 03 23:06:27 hi Sep 03 23:06:43 hey edistar, i have solved my problems with supposedly bad blocks Sep 03 23:07:09 simple the kernel was not correctly downloaded and the testing* kernels did not want to give me USB ether until todays uimage release yay ;) Sep 03 23:08:01 now i am installing Debian on SD (from within FR) -- it looks like it's taking a while, and for starnge reason my battery is not being charged: Off-line, battery status low: 34% (1:06:00) Sep 03 23:08:18 edistar: i really wish there was some global free test number :) Sep 03 23:08:20 sledgeas: ah, super! Sep 03 23:08:30 lindi-: yeah, that'd be quite handy.. Sep 03 23:08:36 yeah! ;) im happy again lol and diving into experiments Sep 03 23:08:56 you don't have a contract with lots of minutes, or free phoning within telfort, do you? :P Sep 03 23:09:24 lol same here. free sms would also be great Sep 03 23:09:45 sledgeas: what does "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode" say? Sep 03 23:09:53 sledgeas: dutch? Sep 03 23:09:58 nope Sep 03 23:10:04 in italy now (but not italian lol) Sep 03 23:10:11 okey Sep 03 23:10:11 mmontour: play-only Sep 03 23:10:34 try "echo 1" to that file. That should re-enable the charger Sep 03 23:11:09 lindi-: well, don't know any dutch free number ;) Sep 03 23:11:18 nope, still off-line mmontour, and still play-only Sep 03 23:11:48 (using 20080903 kernel and 20080902 Om2008 to installing deb) Sep 03 23:12:15 hmm, can you pastebin the output of "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs"? I don't have time now but I'll look at it later Sep 03 23:13:49 ko mmontour: http://pastebin.com/m5e92864e (i am afraid to tap on the screen, as then FR would wake up (or looks like it's not dimmed anyway) and on its next suspend it disconnects the usb. i am about to over half of deb's installation :) Sep 03 23:15:17 thanks. Hope Debian finishes before your battery runs out. Sep 03 23:15:29 :D yeap, and thanks to you Sep 03 23:17:11 now it's around 130th (out of 266) `Selecting previously deselected package libhal1' and performing unpacks -- this all during apt-get update (i dunno why is it performed still without having booted into Deb) Sep 03 23:20:47 edistar: hear http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/testcall1.openmoko.ogg vs. http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/testcall1.landline.ogg Sep 03 23:23:57 lindi-: ah, of course a world of difference Sep 03 23:24:13 edistar: well, i am not worried about the gsm interference Sep 03 23:24:29 edistar: but the audio itself is somehow garbled Sep 03 23:24:40 edistar: the gsm interference just makes it difficult to record a sample of the problem Sep 03 23:24:49 lindi-: why don't I have that problem? what's your setup? Sep 03 23:25:19 edistar: just normal debian installation. it worked two days ago and i don't think i changed any software Sep 03 23:25:42 i installed invisible shield though, maybe some moisture is causing trouble? Sep 03 23:26:16 just to make sure you'd have to take it off, but usually.. Sep 03 23:27:02 i'll reboot to stock FSO image to test Sep 03 23:34:08 anyone figure out how to use the AUX button + pressing the screen to emulate a right click? Sep 03 23:34:38 yes Sep 03 23:34:45 :O Sep 03 23:34:46 sweeet Sep 03 23:34:46 paroneayea: I didn't know that was possible. Sep 03 23:35:11 oh yeah! hey, found a link Sep 03 23:35:13 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td727878 Sep 03 23:35:27 javascript-only link Sep 03 23:35:48 edistar: now that's odd, with FSO image i hear nothing when i call Sep 03 23:35:52 you don't activate js? Sep 03 23:36:08 not in elinks Sep 03 23:36:13 aah, ok Sep 03 23:36:14 and in iceweasel i have noscript Sep 03 23:37:18 paroneayea: http://iki.fi/lindi/right-click-with-aux and you don't have to recompile your input driver :) Sep 03 23:37:26 paroneayea: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/right-click-with-aux and you don't have to recompile your input driver :) Sep 03 23:38:49 lindi-: sweet! Sep 03 23:39:56 lindi-: my, that script is clever ;) Sep 03 23:42:27 it's lindi-s ;) Sep 03 23:43:48 now, i'm bit worried about there's some hardware problem :( Sep 03 23:44:07 why? Sep 03 23:44:40 since i installed invisible shield yesterday and now i hear garbled voice under debian and no voice under FSO Sep 03 23:45:06 no voice at all? Sep 03 23:45:15 Where did http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/www.openmoko.com/htdocs/opportunities-verticals-dash-openmoko.html?rev=342 go? Sep 03 23:45:22 maybe antenna is loose? Sep 03 23:45:34 edistar: gprs works Sep 03 23:45:43 edistar: signal level is ok Sep 03 23:45:48 oh, okey Sep 03 23:46:33 mic might be loose, it looked very weak to me.. Sep 03 23:47:51 but under FSO both audio input and output are completely silent during call Sep 03 23:48:02 so it can't be just mic Sep 03 23:48:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4619b9d748c5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: enable noise reducation and echo cancelling Sep 03 23:48:40 can't be hw then.. has FSO worked before? Sep 03 23:48:44 neat. Sep 03 23:48:57 edistar: yes Sep 03 23:49:21 is there a source for FSO daily builds? my old source has stopped updating: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D Sep 03 23:49:34 must be hw then? Sep 03 23:49:46 donomo: yes, of course.. git.freesmartphone.org Sep 03 23:50:09 edistar: im looking for builds, not source Sep 03 23:50:20 edistar: i'm afraid so yes Sep 03 23:50:41 maybe i should open it and look for moisture Sep 03 23:50:51 donomo: you can find them at shr.bearstech.com Sep 03 23:51:03 donomo: you asked for source ;) Sep 03 23:51:12 ;) Sep 03 23:51:24 lindi-: rather a shame that uploading the rootfs doesn't work Sep 03 23:51:51 edistar: this looks good. thanks. http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ Sep 03 23:51:53 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r910b19406847 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content Sep 03 23:51:53 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r652eac1c7111 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. Sep 03 23:51:54 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9159585838c6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations Sep 03 23:51:54 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r514f5d86bf50 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default Sep 03 23:51:57 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf00063ace9cd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default Sep 03 23:52:00 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r27c6b483d277 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon Sep 03 23:52:03 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc8e1e1c1970e 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles Sep 03 23:52:06 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5202ad13eab0 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS Sep 03 23:52:20 lindi-: try to output some sound via mplayer or so Sep 03 23:52:22 on FSO Sep 03 23:52:34 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra73b36e8e836 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default Sep 03 23:52:34 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc2b6736dbf31 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default Sep 03 23:52:34 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7c15473b300e 10/ (17 files in 15 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable Sep 03 23:52:38 edistar: on debian it works at least with mplayer Sep 03 23:52:54 okey, so it can't be completely broken Sep 03 23:53:00 hi everybody Sep 03 23:53:03 hi Sep 03 23:53:54 this is strange. on qtopia, software packages consistently quits due to application error. Sep 03 23:54:03 mattl: reboot Sep 03 23:54:05 i am currently chatting by using pidgin 2.2.1 on fso Sep 03 23:54:23 lambda: nice Sep 03 23:55:11 nice. Sep 03 23:55:17 take a screenshot! Sep 03 23:55:28 Sargun: there a loads of pidgin.. Sep 03 23:55:50 uhm Sep 03 23:55:50 on 2008.8-upgraded when I initiate a call, there is no audio for the ring. Once establisged the audio is fine. Any pointers ? Sep 03 23:55:56 install XGL on the phone. Sep 03 23:56:02 AIGLX Sep 03 23:56:06 no Sep 03 23:56:08 i notice many soft i installed don't display a shortcut on the 'home' Sep 03 23:56:11 don't torture it Sep 03 23:56:12 and tell me how it turns out Sep 03 23:56:22 The phone will probably turn into a pile of crap. Sep 03 23:56:22 how managing the shortcuts? Sep 03 23:56:33 lambda: /usr/share/applications/*.desktop Sep 03 23:56:38 ok Sep 03 23:56:40 create/change one of those Sep 03 23:56:44 edistar: trying it now. i notice a lot of 'splash-write applet not found' when its loading. any ideas? Sep 03 23:57:03 oh, maybe a broken image Sep 03 23:58:24 * hipitihop notices a tone of updates coming through this morn for 2008.08-upgraded Sep 04 00:08:37 nope. not a broken image. i removed the splash thingy :) Sep 04 00:09:47 ljp: okey ;) Sep 04 00:09:54 not necessary anyway Sep 04 00:10:04 edistar: hmm, good news, i can remember i had the same garbled voice in the morning _before_ i had installed the invisible shield Sep 04 00:10:15 _good_? Sep 04 00:10:24 it were nicer if that shield were the problem Sep 04 00:10:32 good in the sense that installing the invisible shield probably didn't cause it :) Sep 04 00:10:40 yeah, okey Sep 04 00:12:09 and you didn't disassemble it before I presume? Sep 04 00:16:07 edistar: still crashing after reboot. Sep 04 00:17:38 mattl: ask lpotter ;) Sep 04 00:17:45 or ljp Sep 04 00:17:47 ;) Sep 04 00:31:33 beh my first wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo (finaly got http/ftp for images -__-) Sep 04 00:32:40 super cool Sep 04 00:34:05 torindel: geek :D Sep 04 00:35:05 ;] Sep 04 00:35:20 torindel: good work ;) Sep 04 00:37:28 torindel: but the lines for terminal into boxes Sep 04 00:38:24 just cosmetic, but it looks much cleaner then if you ask me Sep 04 00:44:38 torindel: would that be ok like it is? Sep 04 00:46:58 feel free to change it back again Sep 04 00:52:31 edistar: you missed one, plus boxes doesnt love me, look at the big ones ;] Sep 04 00:53:17 torindel: which big ones? Sep 04 00:54:23 multiline ones Sep 04 00:54:36 they look alright here? Sep 04 00:55:04 i cant get them to justify to tabulation Sep 04 00:55:22 you get empty box and text under it if you try Sep 04 00:56:02 hm Sep 04 00:56:23 hm, if I want a build that has suspend, works solidly as a phone, and can run tangogps, which should I use? Sep 04 00:57:03 cjb: good luck finding it Sep 04 00:57:20 yeah :) Sep 04 00:57:30 is there any that's the most likely to be stable? Sep 04 00:57:37 rasters image Sep 04 00:57:43 huh Sep 04 00:57:48 where does that live again? Sep 04 00:58:07 cjb: I use 2008.08 update, and everything work pretty fine Sep 04 00:58:17 oups, nop, raster image Sep 04 00:58:18 cool, I should try that too Sep 04 00:58:20 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Sep 04 00:58:23 oh, you use raster too? Sep 04 00:58:33 yes, same link as edistar Sep 04 00:58:40 cool Sep 04 00:58:48 cjb: I've only heard about it, not tried it Sep 04 00:58:54 but it's supposed to be quite nice Sep 04 00:59:03 still problem with the echo on the phone, but there is a patch avail, should try it Sep 04 00:59:23 don't know if the echo patch is do-able with the terminal, somebody? Sep 04 00:59:30 yes Sep 04 00:59:32 it i Sep 04 00:59:33 it is Sep 04 00:59:53 just connect to the gsm modem with a terminal emulator and send it the AT command Sep 04 00:59:53 cool :) i'll do it now Sep 04 01:00:58 is there a wiki page with the commands? Sep 04 01:01:04 edistar: "connect with terminal and tell it to shut up" ;] Sep 04 01:01:20 alx___: it was on the wiki Sep 04 01:01:27 torindel: heh Sep 04 01:01:30 gn8 all Sep 04 01:01:33 nite Sep 04 01:02:36 bah Sep 04 01:02:38 everyone uses me Sep 04 01:02:42 :) Sep 04 01:02:55 we'd use you even more if you did a new build with the echo patch, sounds like :) Sep 04 01:02:59 raster: ;] Sep 04 01:03:48 i need to work on my fso image... Sep 04 01:03:54 but i have some paid work to do atm now Sep 04 01:09:20 there's an app for the neo - in-call changeable voice changer Sep 04 01:11:33 AntonTakk1: hehe "Donald Duck" program? ;] Sep 04 01:11:53 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rfcefc4c08bec 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): Sep 04 01:11:53 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: sms.py: Fix some PDU generation bugs with optional fields Sep 04 01:11:53 freesmartphone.org: abstract/mediator.py: Change all SMS functions to work with PDU mode Sep 04 01:14:41 hi Sep 04 01:15:36 i just made a dvorak layout for illume Sep 04 01:15:41 raster: you still interested in OM ? Sep 04 01:15:42 http://tg.x-net.hu/openmoko/keyboards/ Sep 04 01:15:45 torindel: yeah, have pre-sets for all kinds of famous people from alvin from alvin and the chipmunks to barry white :) Sep 04 01:15:48 if anyone interested :) Sep 04 01:15:53 CVirus: interested how? Sep 04 01:16:07 raster: I dunno .. but what are you doing in this channel ? Sep 04 01:16:38 torindel: as well as a mode to switch between them at semi-random intervals :) Sep 04 01:17:36 CVirus: why shouldn't he be here? Sep 04 01:17:41 just asking Sep 04 01:18:25 CVirus: causing twubble Sep 04 01:18:32 lol Sep 04 01:18:32 :) Sep 04 01:19:52 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2ba3c15918ff 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): Sep 04 01:19:52 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add a direction attribute for the SMS object Sep 04 01:19:52 freesmartphone.org: MT: Mobile terminated, MO: Mobile originated Sep 04 01:19:53 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r171885151b49 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Sep 04 01:19:55 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add functions to encode SMS back to PDUs Sep 04 01:19:57 freesmartphone.org: This is still buggy, pack_sevenbit doesn't work if UDH are present. Sep 04 01:19:59 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2c5714ad9973 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Use and test the PDU generation code Sep 04 01:20:02 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd3b94fb8bc09 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Test MT and MO PDUs and fix some sms. instead of self. errors Sep 04 01:20:05 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc6aa830f92ca 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): (log message trimmed) Sep 04 01:20:08 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix various functions in convert.py and padding/udl calculation Sep 04 01:20:10 freesmartphone.org: in PDU generation Sep 04 01:20:12 freesmartphone.org: convert.py: Sep 04 01:20:14 freesmartphone.org: * encodePDUNumber is new and supports alphanumeric addresses as well Sep 04 01:20:37 freesmartphone.org: * bcd_encode works with odd numbers of digits Sep 04 01:20:37 freesmartphone.org: * pack_sevenbit now correctly handles padding Sep 04 01:20:53 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rfc9f2fb7f39e 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): Sep 04 01:20:53 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in SimRetrieveMessagebook Sep 04 01:20:53 freesmartphone.org: Note: +CSMS=1 seems to fail in PDU mode Sep 04 01:20:54 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * red61d07b572f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): Sep 04 01:20:56 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: sms.py: Fix some PDU generation bugs with optional fields Sep 04 01:20:58 freesmartphone.org: abstract/mediator.py: Change all SMS functions to work with PDU mode Sep 04 01:24:09 i am interested in it as a platform to put stuff on that may one day make calls.. and recieve them.. and maybe suspend.resume reliably enough to rpelace my phone Sep 04 01:24:19 but until then its a toy to put stuff on Sep 04 01:24:30 but as is my n800, zaurus c860 etc. Sep 04 01:25:43 i have an odd ability in the past 36 hours to have websites i'm in the midst of browsing suddenly go down :( Sep 04 01:26:43 Does anyone know what the deal is with the qtopia fbset-modes package? I've been getting: Sep 04 01:26:44 Upgrading fbset-modes on root from 0.1.0-r3 to 1.38-r13... Sep 04 01:26:51 * ERROR: Package fbset-modes (parent fbset-modes) is not available from any configured src. Sep 04 01:27:12 during an opkg update and opkg upgrade Sep 04 01:27:22 alright Sep 04 01:27:23 got it Sep 04 01:27:30 would anyone like to download all of OSM for tangogps Sep 04 01:27:53 you'll probably need a fairly large SD card Sep 04 01:27:56 rooly: as tiles? Sep 04 01:27:57 out of curiosity, how big is it? Sep 04 01:27:59 yes Sep 04 01:27:59 raster: cool then :-) Sep 04 01:28:04 ieatlint: dunno yet Sep 04 01:28:07 downloading it now Sep 04 01:28:11 too large. better to download the whole XML (1G) and render to tiles as needed. Sep 04 01:28:13 the bash script was being a pain in the ass Sep 04 01:28:14 on the fly, even Sep 04 01:28:29 cjb...that would require an entirely new program Sep 04 01:28:33 no Sep 04 01:28:39 there are already programs that do this Sep 04 01:28:40 and then, OSM only has the xml for europe Sep 04 01:28:46 huh? that's not true Sep 04 01:28:49 there is a world.osm Sep 04 01:29:00 Planet.osm Sep 04 01:29:00 there's nothing in my area Sep 04 01:29:05 nothing at all Sep 04 01:29:06 cjb, "on the fly", "render" ... these are things that are a joke on the freerunner :P Sep 04 01:29:07 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm Sep 04 01:29:12 ieatlint: sure Sep 04 01:29:19 ieatlint: but so is trying to fit all the tiles on a FR Sep 04 01:29:37 add "phone" to the list Sep 04 01:29:40 an 8gb sd card can probably hold it Sep 04 01:29:44 cjb, i'm telling ya Sep 04 01:29:54 there is no osm for a good chunk of north america Sep 04 01:29:55 the planet.osm is 93GB uncompressed, 5G compressed Sep 04 01:30:23 you're saying that tiles will be less than the compressed XML paths that they're drawing? sounds unlikely. Sep 04 01:30:34 I'd expect a couple of hundred GB for the tiles. Sep 04 01:30:53 6 zoom levels is supposed to be 400 mb according to tango Sep 04 01:30:58 around, sorry Sep 04 01:31:04 6 zoom levels is not very much, is it? Sep 04 01:31:08 that's like a single state or something Sep 04 01:31:14 it's a 3rd of the available Sep 04 01:31:26 yeah, a state Sep 04 01:31:45 it sounds like you don't actually want the whole planet, then? Sep 04 01:31:52 oh, i do Sep 04 01:31:59 however, there's no osm for my area Sep 04 01:32:06 and i don't have a dataplan yet Sep 04 01:32:14 so downloading "on the fly" is out of the question Sep 04 01:32:21 no, rendering on the fly Sep 04 01:32:27 you'd store the whole Planet.osm in XML Sep 04 01:32:31 and render tiles as you need them Sep 04 01:32:46 this is how most OSM viewers work Sep 04 01:32:59 plus, in my experience, the "6 zoom levels" 400mb download amounts to no more than around 100mb Sep 04 01:33:07 No, it's not cjb. Sep 04 01:33:16 As that'd need some 60GB of RAM. Sep 04 01:33:38 SpeedEvil: perhaps there's selective decompressiom Sep 04 01:33:41 XML is a bloatmonster, and you need to extract the region of the planet, as it's not regional data. Sep 04 01:33:44 so anyway, would anyone like mah script Sep 04 01:33:51 SpeedEvil: yeah, good point Sep 04 01:34:09 it's a hackfest, but it works Sep 04 01:34:12 It goes nodes 1-10 million in order (say) but node 2 can be on the opposite side of the planet from node 1. Sep 04 01:34:40 There are better formats possible. :) Sep 04 01:34:52 huh. yeah, clearly. Sep 04 01:34:54 anyway, the .osm is more for navigation Sep 04 01:35:10 whereas the tile format is much more suited to apps like tango Sep 04 01:36:07 osm is more for ease of access really - it basically sucks as a storage format. Sep 04 01:36:28 it's png files in the cache, no? Sep 04 01:36:42 yes Sep 04 01:36:43 cruel Sep 04 01:36:45 alx___: yes Sep 04 01:36:54 which is why I don't think you could possibly store all of them Sep 04 01:36:58 As it's xml, and not really organised sanely - there is no way of pulling all the nodes/ways in a polygon out of the osm file. Other than reading the whole damn thing. Sep 04 01:37:06 IIRC they are some terabytes Sep 04 01:37:10 SpeedEvil: wow, that's awful Sep 04 01:37:15 (png) Sep 04 01:37:29 cjb: well - it was never designed for that. Sep 04 01:37:55 SpeedEvil: hm, there's a tool that lets you give a long/lat bounding box Sep 04 01:38:02 and returns you the xml for that area Sep 04 01:38:14 1400 tiles totalling 2.3 megs so far Sep 04 01:38:30 rooly: as speedevil just said, there are terabytes Sep 04 01:38:35 at least tango hashes them Sep 04 01:38:37 cjb: yes - I mean - there isn't a nice way of taking an osm file. Sep 04 01:38:40 so there's only one sea blue tile Sep 04 01:38:48 SpeedEvil: yup, I understand Sep 04 01:39:05 cjb: and going from that to a subset of nodes/ways without reading the whole thing. Sep 04 01:39:18 (It's actually the server that hashes them - and does the sea/land tile thing) Sep 04 01:39:25 that's good Sep 04 01:39:31 irc.oftc.net #osm btw Sep 04 01:47:44 AntonTakk, so what's the voice changer app ? Sep 04 01:55:21 hmm...i estimate the png database is roughly 21 gigs Sep 04 01:55:28 margin of error: alot Sep 04 01:58:07 margin of error +1000%/-1% ;] Sep 04 01:58:13 at least, from zoom level 2 to 17 Sep 04 01:58:24 so that's a good extra 20 gigs on the last zoom level Sep 04 01:58:38 and another few kilobytes from the 1st Sep 04 01:58:50 however Sep 04 01:58:56 since the water tile is hashed into 1 Sep 04 01:59:03 that'll remove quite a bit of data Sep 04 01:59:21 ~100 bytes per water tyle Sep 04 02:04:21 i see wurp in dallas Sep 04 02:18:22 hmm Sep 04 02:18:40 question: does the FR's gps have any trackable data Sep 04 02:18:59 IE, can mr. policeman find me Sep 04 02:21:43 of course Sep 04 02:23:35 damn Sep 04 02:23:55 i thought gps didn't send any signals back Sep 04 02:26:21 whew Sep 04 02:26:25 this is an awfully long download Sep 04 02:31:46 rooly: it doesnt Sep 04 02:32:16 then...how is i trackded Sep 04 02:32:27 it sees your friends Sep 04 02:32:42 an u know where they are somehow Sep 04 02:32:51 only with an open gprs connection Sep 04 02:33:06 still pinpoints u Sep 04 02:33:32 rooly: either via gsm, or internet, or wifi/bluetooth Sep 04 02:33:46 right... Sep 04 02:34:04 so, therefore, when my intrarwebs is off, i am unfindable Sep 04 02:34:10 including the gsm of course Sep 04 02:34:16 and this download is going nicely Sep 04 02:34:21 and if someone really want to track you they probably just do it via gsm and your telephone operator Sep 04 02:34:33 i'm already halfway thru zoom level 6 Sep 04 02:34:41 ok, in light of a recent "incident", you must all now where pants while sending me email Sep 04 02:34:44 and it's only 3 megs Sep 04 02:34:53 ... Sep 04 02:35:05 what about delivering regular mail in person, ieatlint Sep 04 02:35:19 are pants optional then? Sep 04 02:35:23 * RayDar cranks up the porn music and sends ieatlint an e-mail Sep 04 02:35:57 rooly, regular mail is delivered by the postal service ... if you're a postal worker, and want to deliver mail whilst pantless, you'll need to take it up with your superiors Sep 04 02:36:16 right Sep 04 02:36:24 so wanna see mah script to download all of OSM? Sep 04 02:36:46 rooly: let us have it Sep 04 02:37:00 http://rafb.net/p/TMaU3816.html Sep 04 02:37:03 it's a hack Sep 04 02:37:03 i've yet to touch osm... so it wouldn't be too useful for me yet Sep 04 02:37:05 but it works Sep 04 02:37:25 now, fyi, this downloads the png tiles that tango uses Sep 04 02:38:25 i'd say i'm halfway thru the atlantic on zoom level 6 by now Sep 04 02:38:30 i guess it could be faster Sep 04 02:38:56 but what's speed when you're downloading 20 gigs of separate files Sep 04 02:39:07 100 million separate files Sep 04 02:39:38 ...it's actually more like 20 trillion files... Sep 04 02:40:00 i wonder if the normal ext3 fs can support 20 trillion files Sep 04 02:40:01 is it 20 gigs? Sep 04 02:40:09 it was a rough estimate, slaxxin Sep 04 02:40:16 since most of the data is gonna be the ocean Sep 04 02:40:37 and that data is only 100kb per tile Sep 04 02:40:43 100B, sorry Sep 04 02:41:03 then no, it won't be that big Sep 04 02:41:09 is there a note program that one can copy/paste from? Sep 04 02:41:30 for what Sep 04 02:41:45 commands to the terminal Sep 04 02:42:11 this keyboard does store them though Sep 04 02:42:46 i tried openmoko-notes but i couldnt paste into the terminal Sep 04 02:44:13 how bout just write them to a file and make it executable Sep 04 02:48:47 or even do | sh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 04 02:59:57 2008