**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 04 02:59:57 2008 Sep 04 03:11:49 a wat to restart alsa? Sep 04 03:12:13 /etc/init.d/alsa restart Sep 04 03:25:15 http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/08/28/35NF-open-source-france-lessons_1.html Sep 04 03:27:46 Good morning Sep 04 03:28:33 lindi suggested a cross compile while I am interested in native i.e. compilation inside openmoko Sep 04 03:29:47 bleh.. the french are too weird... they may support oss, but their ideologies in other places is oppressive Sep 04 03:40:11 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4624 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/config/e.src: Sep 04 03:40:11 openmoko: [illume-theme-asu] Remove wrench icon from profile. Sep 04 03:40:11 openmoko: The old profile will show up wrench icon, remove it for ASU. Sep 04 03:40:11 openmoko: Set up the icon theme as openmoko-asu. Sep 04 03:41:50 hm Sep 04 04:27:34 openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4625 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc: Sep 04 04:27:34 openmoko: [illume-theme-asu] Mark up cfg.png in asu/freerunner.edc Sep 04 04:27:34 openmoko: to hide wrench icon. Sep 04 04:30:01 anyone running qtopia here? Sep 04 04:30:16 yes Sep 04 04:31:00 i learned of a silly 'easter egg' Sep 04 04:37:45 interesting Sep 04 04:38:22 share it then Sep 04 04:38:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re64d852c8720 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-theme] Add illume-theme-illume.bb Sep 04 04:38:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * raa8a951106ec 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-basic.bb: [openmoko] Add illume-theme-illume to task-openmoko-basic Sep 04 04:38:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf02c27fec6dd 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-theme] Modify illume-theme-asu.bb Sep 04 04:57:04 anyone doing native buids here Sep 04 04:57:08 builds Sep 04 05:25:55 easter egg in qtopia: using the predictive keyboard (black one), type pacman and then erase the word (left stroke) Sep 04 05:39:48 Where do I find ringtones on 2007.2? Sep 04 05:39:56 like, in the filesystem Sep 04 05:46:09 aaaarrrggh. borked my phone again...just added back my uboot menu for Qtopia, and updated OM2008.8, and now I can't boot OM2007 anymore Sep 04 05:46:21 ljp: Hehe, have to try that :) Sep 04 05:48:31 XD Sep 04 05:49:22 A phone with distributions and legitimate, legal multiboot Sep 04 05:49:31 I'm sorry, that just kicks so much ass Sep 04 05:49:47 *giggles* Right, that is really, really silly, ljp ;) Sep 04 05:49:54 anyone know? Sep 04 05:49:54 * leinirAWAY approves! ;) Sep 04 05:50:44 I want to make it so that when I get a text message, I hear a clip from a video game Sep 04 05:50:49 FxChiP: This is not just a phone, though :) Sep 04 05:50:52 in which the main character is describing a banana Sep 04 05:50:59 tunys: i'm not answering, because i haven't a blue :) Sep 04 05:51:03 leinirAWAY, true Sep 04 05:51:16 leinirAWAY: I don't have a blue either :) Sep 04 05:51:23 I believe someone was mentioning coding up an operator for it too Sep 04 05:51:32 "if you want this, press 1; if you want this other thing, press 2" Sep 04 05:51:43 s/blue/clue Sep 04 05:51:57 having THAT Sep 04 05:51:59 in a CELL PHONE Sep 04 05:52:02 orgasmic Sep 04 05:52:13 leinirAWAY: if you ad the last slash, apt will do a regexp Sep 04 05:52:14 The Neo FreeRunner: Simply orgasmic. Sep 04 05:52:18 Waiting for the next hardware revision though, things are apparently too sluggish atm Sep 04 05:52:27 From the reviews I've heard Sep 04 05:52:31 CM_work: i was wondering why it didn't work, thanks :) Sep 04 05:52:32 ... /seen Sep 04 05:52:32 s/regexp/regular expression/ Sep 04 05:52:33 CM_work meant: leinirAWAY: if you ad the last slash, apt will do a regular expression Sep 04 05:52:49 :) Sep 04 05:52:58 It'd be a phone phreak's best friend :P Sep 04 05:53:20 * leinirAWAY hops off uni-wards :) Sep 04 05:53:27 kernel panic from OM2008.8, and some other error from OM2007 (says BUG: sceduling while atomic: xinit/1519/0x4000002) Sep 04 05:53:44 * leinirAWAY puts a cute, little hat with floppy doggy-ears on Dave and then disappears ;) Sep 04 05:54:46 INFO: lockdep is turned off Sep 04 05:55:52 hmm...must be a kernel issue, but it seems odd that updating the other OSes borked the main one Sep 04 05:56:23 haha! /usr/share/openmoko/sounds Sep 04 05:56:37 okay, so where do I tell it, "I want this one! Sep 04 05:56:39 " Sep 04 06:03:49 wow looks like OM2007 has disappeared unless you have your own backups Sep 04 06:07:14 too bad, I lied OM2007 and was glad that others were keeping it up Sep 04 06:07:18 liked Sep 04 06:09:25 Infoport, I've got 2007.2, if anyone needs it." Sep 04 06:09:50 hm Sep 04 06:09:51 KenYoung: have any problems with it registering to the cell network? Sep 04 06:10:03 Frankly, I liked it better than 2008.8 too, but I only run it on my old gta01." Sep 04 06:10:31 Are there any better screenshots of 2008.8 than what OpenMoko currently has up? Sep 04 06:10:54 FxChiP: no, it really is that ugly :) Sep 04 06:11:04 Don't care about the "ugliness" Sep 04 06:11:14 Wanna see what the keyboard looks like Sep 04 06:11:20 AntonTakk, I had no problems with T-mobile, but I did have problems with AT&T - but I never got the gta01 GSM firmware update that probably would have fixed the AT&T problem. I use my gta01 as a PDA now, and my Freerunner for the phone." Sep 04 06:13:03 KenYoung I'm trying to restore a kernel from 8-13 to see if that fixes it Sep 04 06:13:11 i constantly have sim problems with 2007.2, but _only_ 2007.2 Sep 04 06:13:41 T-Mobile prepaid SIM worked perfectly for me with 2007.2 Sep 04 06:13:58 i have a tmobile non-pre-paid sim Sep 04 06:14:06 oic Sep 04 06:14:15 worked once with the image that shipped, and several times with a later one Sep 04 06:14:22 AntonTakk: have you figured out how to change ringtones with 2007.2? Sep 04 06:14:29 works fine in qtopia, asu, and fso Sep 04 06:15:01 tunys: the wiki page for disabeling the 2007.2 startup sound and click sound effect Sep 04 06:15:23 tunys: it is setup the same way Sep 04 06:15:27 KenYoung although I think I am going to have to restore matching rootfs too, seems to be stuck at the OM sunrise logo Sep 04 06:15:30 file that is loaded at boot Sep 04 06:17:13 I think I have a matching rootfs and kernel. I'll check the dates." Sep 04 06:17:36 AntonTakk: where is that? Sep 04 06:17:48 AntonTakk: if it's a matter of editing a file, could you tell me what file it is? Sep 04 06:18:03 tunys: don't remember, but it's the same file on the wiki page i just described^^ Sep 04 06:18:28 /etc/pulse/session, maybe, last three lines in the file? Sep 04 06:18:56 you're correct Sep 04 06:19:05 never stayed with fso long because it never worked for long for me Sep 04 06:19:07 KenYoung guess this is the trial by fire...see if my backup files work. I think I may have to go to a premade one though Sep 04 06:19:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_sound Sep 04 06:19:15 I don't think the boot sound is annoying at all though Sep 04 06:19:21 I find it quite pleasant Sep 04 06:19:26 ugh - i hate it :) Sep 04 06:19:41 and the click is just maddening Sep 04 06:21:01 corse i might feel diferent if I hadn't heard it so many times Sep 04 06:21:22 not a lot of phones with which I can ping google from Sep 04 06:21:36 hehe, so true Sep 04 06:21:48 though my FreeRunner has suddenly become one of them :/ Sep 04 06:21:55 personally, i can't wait for the gta03 Sep 04 06:21:55 I think the wireless bouncer might be confusing it Sep 04 06:22:34 thou i really think a few buttons for interacting with the ui would be fantastic Sep 04 06:23:13 multitouch too Sep 04 06:23:14 and a slide-style hardware kb would be too Sep 04 06:23:28 maybe, i don't care so much for multitouch Sep 04 06:23:30 although you have to get the right screen for multitouch Sep 04 06:23:37 but wouldn't be against it Sep 04 06:23:42 yeah Sep 04 06:23:53 don't want the screen tech on the iphone Sep 04 06:24:01 a lot of screens output the average centerpoint of the blobs Sep 04 06:24:04 - need to be able to use a stylus Sep 04 06:24:15 I tried to explain the OM phone to my aunt the other day, and I made a comment about when ppl sya they will get one "if its stalbe", and geeks online start saying...and I never could get past that Sep 04 06:24:59 my aunt kept laughing hysterically every time I referred to "geeks", even when I said "Well including me", and I could never finish it Sep 04 06:25:17 so if you poke at 1,1 and 99,99 using two fingers, it averages to 50,50 Sep 04 06:25:44 and that's what the screen returns Sep 04 06:25:54 can someone kick Macarena25? I joined the room and got a spam PM Sep 04 06:26:24 prjktdtnt: if you got a spam PM, report it to FreeNode Sep 04 06:26:30 Infoport, I have a matching kernel and rootfs from July 22 for the gta02, but that's all. Sep 04 06:26:37 mickey|bbl: Ganneff ping? Sep 04 06:26:49 see prjktdtnt's message Sep 04 06:27:45 * AntonTakk1 crosses his fingers for phone-kit to not crash Sep 04 06:28:43 doc|home: whenever I see you, I think of a kind of short dude with a white coat and horn-rimmed glasses sitting at a 90s-looking but rather up-to-date CPU, SSH'd into his Neo Sep 04 06:29:00 tunys: hmmm Sep 04 06:29:02 how can you see me Sep 04 06:29:03 and when I see doc|work, I see the same thing, but trying to look like he's doing work in a cubicle Sep 04 06:29:07 * doc|home closes blinds Sep 04 06:29:17 KenYoung I'm trying my "backup" from 8-13 (OM2007 with updates), and I'll know in "a while" if the rootfs flashes OK Sep 04 06:29:28 doc|home: Uuuuhhh... Sep 04 06:29:44 well closing the blinds won't help Sep 04 06:29:56 he's in your home! Sep 04 06:29:58 run! Sep 04 06:30:02 * doc|home runs!! Sep 04 06:30:04 good luck Sep 04 06:30:07 (byt grab your freerunner first! Sep 04 06:30:09 I locked all the doors from outside Sep 04 06:30:15 AntonTakk: I have a FreeRunner Sep 04 06:30:19 tunys: fwiw I'm just about 6ft tall, don't own a white coat, nor use glasses, and my cpu is amd 4400+ at home and I've yet to get a decent network connection to work in my apt :( Sep 04 06:30:24 (on the neo) Sep 04 06:30:38 it registered! Sep 04 06:30:41 woooooo! Sep 04 06:30:41 * doc|home jumps out the window! Sep 04 06:30:59 * tunys grabs him and pulls him back in and seals the window Sep 04 06:31:05 * tunys slips back into the shadows Sep 04 06:38:15 oooo its time here for the infomercials that make you embarassed to be watching TV at night Sep 04 06:39:23 * AntonTakk1 risks a reboot to get rid of the startup and click sounds Sep 04 06:39:23 We need to make an OM infomercial. Sep 04 06:39:43 I have a white lab coat, but think I need more to impress my geek friends at Halloween Sep 04 06:40:15 KenYoung: with the same actors in the embarrasing commercials? Sep 04 06:40:46 Yes, the ones for Extenz. Sep 04 06:40:54 heh Sep 04 06:41:07 OM could use a spiffy commercial-- we could debute on YouTube Sep 04 06:42:10 oh no, Extenz was earlier, now we have GirlzGoneWild-- more and more until it is a fulltime infomercial, with Trojan Vibrating Touch in between Sep 04 06:42:45 We could have GSMGoneWIld. Sep 04 06:43:08 Or Suspenz Sep 04 06:43:28 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r5a7346e245ea 10/packages/dropbear/dropbear.inc: dropbear: add /etc/default/dropbear in conffiles only on openmoko Sep 04 06:44:01 Gong Show is on...if I could only gong the commercials, and Tivo them out forever Sep 04 06:44:47 or rather, MythTV them out Sep 04 06:45:39 hehe with my FR in the OpenMoko case in pocket, don't need Extenz Sep 04 06:46:30 Linux kernel 2.6.24 BAAABY! Sep 04 06:47:39 Oh, don't drop the L-bomb on them, that's just unfair! Sep 04 06:50:15 ############ perhaps this rootfs will flash (or else its just leading me on) Sep 04 06:56:12 openmoko: 03werner * r4626 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) Sep 04 06:56:12 openmoko: WLAN-SPI driver sneak preview. There are still several dirty spots and Sep 04 06:56:12 openmoko: it only works with: Sep 04 06:56:12 openmoko: WLAN -> SDIO -> MMC-SPI -> S3C SPI-GPIO (bitbang) Sep 04 06:56:12 openmoko: Future options include: Sep 04 06:56:14 openmoko: WLAN -> SDIO -> S3C SDI Sep 04 06:56:16 openmoko: WLAN -> SDIO -> MMC-SPI -> S3C SPI (hardware-accelerated) Sep 04 06:58:13 KenYoung if there is no more OM2007 support (even from community) have the users finally been kicked out of the nest? have to give up and change? Sep 04 06:58:48 what are this task-* packages ? Sep 04 06:59:17 Infoport, I guess so, although parts of 2007.2 my live on in the Stable Hybrid." Sep 04 07:00:08 KenYoung is SHR ever releases anything that is Sep 04 07:00:12 if Sep 04 07:00:47 Never releasing anything is the ultimate in stability. Sep 04 07:05:50 sad thing is that OM2007 was my favorite, and it was being abandoned when I got the phone Sep 04 07:07:14 just because the iPhone puts all of the icons up front doesnt mean I want to be so disorganized Sep 04 07:07:41 Infoport: yes, i liked that organizing of apps as well. Sep 04 07:08:20 and a quick button push to quit apps was nice Sep 04 07:09:25 plus wifi worked for me on OM2007 using the wpa_supplicant method, but not in 2008.8 Sep 04 07:09:34 and I like TangoGPS Sep 04 07:10:43 *sigh* guess I'll move to SHR and Qtopia Sep 04 07:10:51 Infoport: i liked that power/aux combination Sep 04 07:10:52 is wpa_supplicant only in 2007 so far? Sep 04 07:10:56 AUX to put in background Sep 04 07:10:57 i definitely need it Sep 04 07:11:01 and Power to kill app Sep 04 07:12:06 but killing and backgrounding is okay with the new menu on top Sep 04 07:12:20 app sorting with categorys would be cool, however. Sep 04 07:12:36 you can do this by changing the icon mode to "slider" Sep 04 07:12:51 unfortunately this is not very usable yet Sep 04 07:13:10 beni_ does slider actually categorize apps? I thought it just put them all together in a row? Sep 04 07:13:40 yes Sep 04 07:13:46 one slider for each category Sep 04 07:13:59 but it looks ugly. Sep 04 07:14:02 very ugla Sep 04 07:14:26 Where is this feed reader thing in om2007 ? Sep 04 07:16:49 dammit, the rootfs flash finished with an error, maybe because 99999 sec wasnt enough and the phone booted (or else it tried when finished with error) Sep 04 07:17:41 It's sorta hard to believe it really took more than 99999 seconds." Sep 04 07:17:55 Are you running Vista? Sep 04 07:17:56 still not sure why ALL the OSes got borked at once Sep 04 07:18:38 KenYoung more like running FROM Vista. Someone asked me for a copy of Ubuntu the other day so they could cure their laptop of Vista Sep 04 07:19:26 Yup. Ubuntu boots faster on my laptop than XP *shuts down*. Sep 04 07:20:56 i guess it just SEEMED like forever Sep 04 07:20:58 Well, wait a minute Sep 04 07:21:19 You could possibly rewrite the application bit of OM2008.8 to use the old way couldn't you? Sep 04 07:24:13 good morning Sep 04 07:24:24 "possibly" being the key word. If you think it is taking a long time for SHR, dont hold your breath for my rewrite of the OS Sep 04 07:24:52 True enough. Sep 04 07:25:19 Gods, I wish I were good enough at programming to do stuff with it Sep 04 07:25:28 Well, and that I had one. Sep 04 07:25:37 I've been jonesing hard for it lately for no discernable reason Sep 04 07:26:03 ok now I am stuck at OM sunrise logo again, I guess the backup doesnt flash well Sep 04 07:27:23 FxChiP you gotta take the plunge! as long as you dont mind some re-flashes :D Sep 04 07:27:51 I don't have $400 :/ Sep 04 07:28:28 FxChiP think of it as a home-study course combined with textbooks Sep 04 07:28:44 I don't have $400 :/ Sep 04 07:31:34 KenYoung so do you have OM2007 kernel and rootfs *released* July 23, and not just downloaded then? I have some downloaded then, but seem to be dated 20080424 Sep 04 07:33:28 Infoport, I'm afraid I don't know when it was released. I think I downloaded it on that date." Sep 04 07:33:42 But it did work decently. Sep 04 07:33:52 shaz: i did not suggest cross compile Sep 04 07:34:36 the link from Downloads page for ScaredyCat image goes nowhere too, seems like updates for OM2007 are gone completely Sep 04 07:36:23 if anyone wants to know what the ringtone is that I'm trying to use Sep 04 07:36:31 http://supertunaman.com/banana.ogg Sep 04 07:36:35 or .mp3 Sep 04 07:37:14 http://supertunaman.com/banana.mp3 Sep 04 07:40:12 hell I guess I'll just flash the newest 2008.8 images, and wait for SHR later, since no more updating the OM2007 OS Sep 04 07:40:49 dont think 2008.8 has TangoGPS but at least it has Orrery Sep 04 07:42:12 Infoport: 2008.8 has tangogps Sep 04 07:43:00 Zorkman tangoGPS? yes! I guess you do something for a few days, and everything changes Sep 04 07:43:26 Infoport: as far as i know, tangogps has always worked on 2008.8 .... Sep 04 07:44:11 Zorkman, Except the defualt gtk theme makes some of the buttons unreadable. Sep 04 07:44:17 Zorkman to be fair, I listened to other complaints and didnt try to install myself (DOH!) Sep 04 07:44:17 true Sep 04 07:45:15 I wonder why they haven't fixed that default gtk theme.. (at least when 200888-upgrade first appeared it still wasn't fixed) Sep 04 07:45:28 KenYoung: congrats on the new orrery version btw :) Sep 04 07:45:56 Zorkman, Thanks! I'm working on adding zooming now, which is fun. Sep 04 07:46:02 new Orrery? what has changed? Sep 04 07:46:23 Zorkman, and Infoport: I appreciate you guys running it. Sep 04 07:47:09 lindi: how do I get a native build working? Sep 04 07:47:49 It would require a gnu toolchain inside openmoko and glibc and other libs Sep 04 07:47:57 shaz: apt-get --build source foo Sep 04 07:48:05 Infoport, I added colors to distingush different types of constellations, added a few new modes, added flashlight features, fixed up the Private menu a but, sped up the switching in and out of fullscreen, sped up the poky initial constellation display problem, and a few other things. Sep 04 07:49:51 Added the ability to set time via Julian date. Sep 04 07:50:01 lindi: I am inside openmoko and apt-get is not recognized Sep 04 07:50:03 KenYoung cool! The poky constellation view was a little annoying when showing ppl the app, since it was a great "gee whiz" app for the uninitiated Sep 04 07:50:19 KenYoung what are "flashlight features"? Sep 04 07:50:55 You can have it turn all the pixels white, or red, for use as a flashlight. Sep 04 07:51:08 shaz: you are probably not running debian Sep 04 07:52:08 KenYoung i thought someone was putting that into its own app? Sep 04 07:52:08 lindi: I am using FC8 and am logged into my FR through ssh Sep 04 07:52:24 shaz: i use debian on my FR Sep 04 07:52:37 shaz: you can use gentoo too for native building Sep 04 07:52:43 Infoport, The initial constellation display is still slower than I'd like. THe problem is that I want all the stars at the verticies of the constellation figures to be displayed even if they are fainter than the magnitude threshold, so the code has to look at all the stars, and figure out when ones are near the constellation verticies. That's time consuming, but it is done more efficiently now, and in the backround, so it's Sep 04 07:52:43 better than it was. Sep 04 07:53:10 lindi: I just got my FR yesterday and it has the default distribution running on it Sep 04 07:53:26 Infoport, Yes, there is a flashlight app too. But I threw it in because a red flashlight is good for preserving night vision. Sep 04 07:53:47 was a new u-boot needed for the newer Om2008.8-update? there is one in the directory Sep 04 07:54:21 KenYoung good point! a red flashlight makes it an added value Sep 04 07:55:55 Infoport, It'll be one of the free gifts for the first 100 callers in our Infomercial. Sep 04 07:56:02 has anybody ever experienced to have had a working SIM (Vodafone) in the Freerunner, then by mistake locked the SIM using a different phone, unlocked it again, but now this SIM wouldn't work anymore in the Freerunner? (no PIN dialog popping up, not registering with any network) Sep 04 07:56:09 So it means I can't do native builds then although it has opkg package manager. Can we somehow set it to debian repos Sep 04 07:57:26 shaz: either install debian or gentoo, angstrom based distros usually have borked gcc even if you install gcc/needed headers Sep 04 07:57:54 K :) Sep 04 07:59:33 shaz: if you want native builds you can use qemu for them too instead of freerunner hardware Sep 04 07:59:55 hi Sep 04 08:00:04 hi Sep 04 08:00:13 haha.. world's ugliest self powered usb otg http://neopwn.com/ugly_otg.jpg Sep 04 08:00:42 torindel: For that I have to go through mokoMakefile! Sep 04 08:00:57 I have a veryyyy bad experiance with it! Sep 04 08:00:59 shaz: my experience with MokoMakeFile is very bad Sep 04 08:01:01 swc|666: well, at least its soldered! Sep 04 08:01:08 :) Sep 04 08:01:48 hil_: The bb files always get corrupted and the repos are always broken Sep 04 08:01:52 Our internet connection wasn't very good and I _think_ it was the reason makes kept getting stuck Sep 04 08:01:56 Mokomakefile is the only way I've ever gotten a functional toolchain. Sep 04 08:02:05 I tested it for say ..... 7 or 8 times Sep 04 08:02:19 beni_: yeah it works too... proof of concept come to life Sep 04 08:02:21 shaz: you can install any normal distro qemu, get some generic qemu kernel, plus either moko gentoo or moko debian and install it as is Sep 04 08:02:24 i was wondering if it's possible to get rid of all this cross compilation and work inside Freerunner Sep 04 08:02:27 but always failed but now lets see if I can get FR get working :) Sep 04 08:02:36 I wish the modified dates on the Om2008.8-update/ files were *actually* when the files were modified. The u-boot is actually Aug 26, not Sept 4 Sep 04 08:02:54 KenYoung: have you tried compiling from within the moko Sep 04 08:03:09 shaz: (but that will be build box only as it wont emulate all moko hardware) Sep 04 08:03:50 hil_ someone was saying that they actually compiled something on their Freerunner, but it was damn slow Sep 04 08:04:05 hil_: i did Sep 04 08:04:13 hil_ you'd be better off spending the time getting the toolchain working Sep 04 08:04:28 OTG? Sep 04 08:04:34 Infoport: speed isn't my problem. I just want to compile a simple kernel module (character device driver for a dummy device) and i dont' want a lot of extra hassle Sep 04 08:05:14 torindel: how? I understand (like Infoport said) toolchains are the best way to go...but right now, I want a simple solution without a lot of overhead Sep 04 08:05:32 there is no simple solution Sep 04 08:06:11 rwhitby: isn't getting gcc working inside moko and compiling from there a simple solution? :) Sep 04 08:06:19 or are there some "hidden" complications? Sep 04 08:06:33 hil_, No, I haven't. I'm worried that it would be very slow, and put a lot of write wear on the flash. Sep 04 08:06:37 trorindel: Is there a good guide to this qemu based native build for moko without mokomakefile and OE? Sep 04 08:06:53 hil_: if it's simple, why haven't you done it yet? ;-) Sep 04 08:07:05 hil_: like i said get any normal distro qemu, get some generic kernel for some board that qemu emulates, plus moko gentoo stage, boot it, install patched moko sources from git, compile them Sep 04 08:07:20 because I'm not good at it :) Sep 04 08:07:21 or you could install it on moko too Sep 04 08:07:43 but you guys are *wink* .. so you can probably tell me the simple way to get gcc working Sep 04 08:07:49 shaz: i could write something Sep 04 08:08:08 hil_: I find the simplest way is to cross-compile using MokoMakefile or FSO/SHR Makefile Sep 04 08:08:10 U'll be a life saver :) Sep 04 08:08:11 rwhitby: its not that hard ;] Sep 04 08:08:14 but I'm biased :-) Sep 04 08:08:23 torindel well bust out that Wiki page! Sep 04 08:08:57 rwhitby: so, if I just need to compile a simple application, I can just wget the toolchain and compile my app without having my makefile perform those 5k tasks? Sep 04 08:09:19 (btw, of course you find the Makefile easy... you wrote it :) Sep 04 08:09:21 lolz Sep 04 08:09:32 hil_: no Sep 04 08:09:59 you'll have to perform those 5k tasks with mokomakefile anyway Sep 04 08:10:31 :'( Sep 04 08:10:46 How do I get moko gentoo stage into lets say emulation of versatilepb over qemu Sep 04 08:12:09 shaz: wait i'll fry something on wiki Sep 04 08:12:36 gr8 Sep 04 08:13:00 watching ##### accumulate is like waiting for someone else's Windoze to boot. Hopefully I can keep using my LG phone for just pics with new OM2008.8-update images Sep 04 08:14:30 then we get to do it all over again once GTA03 is out, plus learn how to play with camera apps Sep 04 08:15:37 I'm hoping for a barcode scanner app for the new camera, maybe a revision to Tellico or Alexandria Sep 04 08:17:32 openmoko: 03werner * r4627 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (2 files): Sep 04 08:17:32 openmoko: gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: disable s3c_device_spi_acc or all hell breaks Sep 04 08:17:32 openmoko: loose Sep 04 08:17:32 openmoko: gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: move defconfig-gta02 changes over to Sep 04 08:17:32 openmoko: config-ar6k-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch (and make more sweeping changes) Sep 04 08:18:31 and when the CIA tells you all hell breaks loose, they *MEAN* it Sep 04 08:18:50 :) Sep 04 08:18:56 * FxChiP grins Sep 04 08:20:48 my mom didn't seem to be impressed that I was multi-booting, fixing things at command line, etc, but apparently was impressed I was programming a script with someone from Italy Sep 04 08:21:23 my limited use of IRC pushed it over the top :/ Sep 04 08:21:33 will this script bring awesomeness to our phone Infoport? :) Sep 04 08:21:46 Yeah, mom's always expect you to run several virtual machines. Sep 04 08:21:53 Zorkman it makes great backups, as long as you dont try to restore them Sep 04 08:23:17 Zorkman actually I could mount the rootfs file (.jffs2) and get config files off, I just couldnt re-flash the rootfs successfully Sep 04 08:23:37 too bad... Sep 04 08:24:21 yea! back booting with the new improved 2008.8 as main image! sad that all the new games on OM2007 are gone (until moved to 2008) Sep 04 08:24:48 just when I was getting hooked on Net Sep 04 08:25:27 I was thinking of a gui for frashing/multibooting the FR (one that also autosets the uboot env) too make this device more noob-friendly, you know, for in 60 years when it becomes consumer ready :) Sep 04 08:26:59 Zorkman most consumers are willing to have one boot that doesnt work, why give them several? Who has worked hard to boot multiple Windoze OSes in the last 5 years? Sep 04 08:27:42 point taken... Sep 04 08:28:15 Zorkman now that you bring it up, that doesnt sound too bad for geeks...may be hard to ensure that images match each other Sep 04 08:28:55 Zorkman but then again, you can make something fool proof, but you can't make it damn-fool proof Sep 04 08:29:10 :) Sep 04 08:38:19 openmoko: 03charlie137 * r6b2cbe777ea3 10/src/server/phone/telephony/ringcontrol/ringcontrol.cpp: Added preprocessor directives to allow compiling when MEDIA_SERVER is not defined Sep 04 08:42:06 wow, I bookmarked a message on the list archives (about resolver), and now the bookmark goes to a different message Sep 04 08:43:23 That seems to happen a lot Sep 04 08:44:20 Also Sep 04 08:44:25 Multiboot phone = win Sep 04 08:45:17 FxChiP I would agree, except that OM2007 got borked while just updating 2008.8 on SD, and now I cant get back the updated files for OM2007 Sep 04 08:45:43 :| Sep 04 08:45:43 still Qtopia is out there for a second boot, and maybe SHR one day Sep 04 08:45:47 Infoport: does it not boot up? Sep 04 08:46:06 Infoport: reflash your 2007.2 kernel in internal with dfu-util Sep 04 08:46:59 Zorkman OM2007 was getting to the text scroll and freezing, and apparently nobody is maintaining it so you can't get all the updates that *used* to be available Sep 04 08:47:43 the wiki has changed to refer to the directories as where it "used to be" and the links dont work Sep 04 08:48:14 so I have an old uImage and old rootfs, but who wants to revert back to April with no updates to be had? Sep 04 08:48:33 Infoport: i had the exact same problem I think Sep 04 08:49:18 Infoport: if you reflash kernel with dfu-util to http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing-om-gta02-20080904.uImage.bin it will boot up again Sep 04 08:49:35 [Bug] #1957: Installer is complaining about libopk, if there is no internet ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1957 ) Sep 04 08:50:45 Zorkman I got mad finally and blasted it with 2008.8-update, maybe I will return to it later. Now I have to setup USB networking all over again Sep 04 08:53:16 openmoko: 03charlie137 * r074c7808714a 10/src/applications/qtmail/searchview.cpp: [Messages] Changed 'Back' label to 'Query' or 'Search', to close ticket #1496. Sep 04 08:56:08 well that wasnt too hard, more whining than required effort, just had to fix resolvconf issue Sep 04 08:58:32 * torindel rawrs Sep 04 08:58:36 Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in. Sep 04 08:59:34 Zorkman was that uImage for OM2007? Sep 04 08:59:54 Infoport: no difference in 2007.2 or 2008.8 kernels it seems Sep 04 09:00:14 I flashed it and it worked, no issues (apart from the normal FR issues :)) Sep 04 09:00:22 Zorkman that's good to know Sep 04 09:01:31 trying to setup resolvconf *properly* acc. to Wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8, I get an error wget: bad address 'kopparv34.mine.nu' Sep 04 09:02:33 oh wait, the instructions have me wipe out the nameserver I set earlier in the first instructions, just before they want to access that by name Sep 04 09:02:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GentooQEMUBuildBox Sep 04 09:02:55 shaz, hil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GentooQEMUBuildBox Sep 04 09:03:30 that was quick Sep 04 09:03:35 let me see Sep 04 09:04:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5a5f707474cd 10/examples/ (3 files): add example for launching scripts on incoming call Sep 04 09:08:33 one more reboot and upgrade before sleepy time Sep 04 09:16:39 hello Sep 04 09:18:38 torindel: Its neat. It can be easily done with other distros too, I guess Sep 04 09:20:32 *sigh* ok maybe two reboots. There are always new directions when I go to Wiki pages; now I have more setup for resolvconf (and resolv.conf link) Sep 04 09:23:42 FSO on Debian is faaaast... :D~~ Sep 04 09:31:19 damned resolvconf setup... :( I had it working before, but the new improved instructions are driving me nuts XD Sep 04 09:33:05 The Om2008.8 wiki page has me removing a gateway line, and now I cant ping IP numbers outside of the host computer. Is resolvconf supposed to figure out default gateway? Sep 04 09:33:49 Infoport: you, you should write there nameservers by hand Sep 04 09:34:01 or do it automatically using /etc/network/interfaces Sep 04 09:35:42 harnir I have the /etc/network/interfaces but I'm not sure if the Wiki page has it wrong or if I'm mixing methods Sep 04 09:38:03 harnir I'm trying to follow directions under Known Issues on the Om2008.8 wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 Sep 04 09:38:53 i've played with my microsd card yesterday Sep 04 09:39:03 i put a stable release on it from 2008.8 Sep 04 09:39:13 and then out of a sudden when i enabled the gps and started locations Sep 04 09:39:40 there was this horrible kernel crash Sep 04 09:39:40 since then my microsd card isn't recodgnized anymore Sep 04 09:39:40 any idea? Sep 04 09:40:34 Infoport: instructions on that page are correct Sep 04 09:40:50 Infoport: show me your /etc/networ/interfaces via nopaste.org Sep 04 09:41:07 /etc/network/interfaces Sep 04 09:41:07 anyone knows how to change brightness using command line? Sep 04 09:41:17 qknight: yes, htx Sep 04 09:41:17 harnir: search in /proc Sep 04 09:41:18 thx Sep 04 09:41:37 harnir, I think it's under /sys. Sep 04 09:41:48 harnir I am getting an error on the FR when I try route add default gateway 192.168.0.200 "route: SIOCADDRT: No such process" Sep 04 09:42:23 KenYoung: likely Sep 04 09:42:26 harnir: yes look in sys Sep 04 09:42:56 The paths are different for the gta01 and gta02, and the number ranges are different too. gta01 goes from 0 -> 63, while gta02 goes from 0 ->5000ish. Sep 04 09:43:42 harnir: look at the sourcecode of the settings dialog in 2008.8 release Sep 04 09:43:46 so what, I should just 'echo 50 > actual_brightness' ? Sep 04 09:43:50 harnir: if you can't find it directly Sep 04 09:43:55 harnir: yes maybe Sep 04 09:44:15 permission denied Sep 04 09:44:22 harnir: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel Sep 04 09:44:24 do this as root Sep 04 09:44:27 harnir here is my FR's /etc/network/interfaces http://nopaste.org/p/aQCwAmNQK Sep 04 09:44:37 echo 50 > brightness worked :-) Sep 04 09:44:46 I'm doing it as root ;-) Sep 04 09:44:58 harnir: so what went wrong then? Sep 04 09:45:32 Infoport: your ip is wrong Sep 04 09:45:34 actual_brightness is r-- Sep 04 09:45:40 I've noticed a few OM wiki pages telling you to use sudo in a command on the FR-- *every* command you type is as root Sep 04 09:45:41 Infoport: oh no. sorry mixed it up Sep 04 09:45:48 Infoport: does your local PC have DNS server/proxy? Sep 04 09:45:51 Infoport: the ip is right since the this is the config of the gta02 Sep 04 09:46:26 Infoport: do you have dnsmasq installed? Sep 04 09:46:27 anyone know if android will run on the freerunner? Sep 04 09:46:45 khaije1: if android will be open source, why not? Sep 04 09:46:59 hmm... Sep 04 09:47:09 khaije1, Probably not out-of-the-box, because it is built for a later version of the ARM core. Sep 04 09:47:10 harnir, qknight, no I used the iptables rules for forwarding, but I think I had the router's address there before...let me change and try that Sep 04 09:47:29 Infoport: the host must be 192.168.0.200 and the gta 192.168.0.202 Sep 04 09:47:32 is android opensource? android is built for arm10? Sep 04 09:47:44 Infoport: what's the address of your DNS servers? Sep 04 09:47:58 Infoport: cat /etc/resolv.conf on the hsot Sep 04 09:48:17 Infoport: place the first nameserver *.*.*.* into the client config Sep 04 09:48:32 Infoport: and restart the interfaces (or write them to /etc/resolv.conf manually) Sep 04 09:48:35 does anyone know if google has invested any attention into the freerunner? Sep 04 09:48:43 i bet not Sep 04 09:50:43 my host is apprantly using the router as nameserver (thanks to NetworkManager) Sep 04 09:50:44 android wikipedia entry looks borked?! Sep 04 09:50:50 what is that all about i wonder...?1 Sep 04 09:51:01 Infoport: then use that ip of the router for your dns things Sep 04 09:51:06 Infoport: that will speed up things much Sep 04 09:51:17 tried to use OpenDNS servers listed on wiki, no luck Sep 04 09:52:12 should I reboot or restart networking after changes to interfaces? Sep 04 09:52:16 no Sep 04 09:52:23 you just do /etc/init.d/network restart Sep 04 09:52:25 or networking Sep 04 09:52:27 not sure Sep 04 09:52:28 it's a little surprising, if i were google i'd be using the FR as either a porting project or reference hardware, if android is as java based as it seems it should be no big deal Sep 04 09:52:42 Infoport: please check if you can ping the fritz!box like system Sep 04 09:52:45 i'm just surprised there havent been any sort of announcement either way Sep 04 09:52:52 Infoport: if this ping does work then the routing is ok Sep 04 09:53:00 Infoport: next fix the dns issue if you really have one Sep 04 09:53:08 i guess it's too early in the process... for both projects Sep 04 09:53:22 * khaije1 apologizes for thinking out loud so much Sep 04 09:53:23 Infoport: you can ping a host like www.ard.de from your host, extract the ip and ping it from the gta02 again to see if routing is working Sep 04 09:53:39 qknight not sure what fritz|box is, but I cant ping router IP, nor google IP# Sep 04 09:53:49 k Sep 04 09:53:52 that's all i wanted to know Sep 04 09:53:54 so routing is not working Sep 04 09:54:04 can you ping your local usb0 inteface of your host computer? Sep 04 09:54:39 Infoport: provide iptables -t nat -L please Sep 04 09:55:16 yes I can ping to host usb .200 Sep 04 09:55:22 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE (if eth0 is your internet accessing interface) Sep 04 09:55:25 next do: Sep 04 09:55:27 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Sep 04 09:55:31 and it should work Sep 04 09:56:02 qknight that should be a host iptable dump right? Sep 04 09:56:03 maybe your forward policiy in the iptables settings is deny or drop Sep 04 09:56:08 Infoport Sep 04 09:56:08 yes Sep 04 09:56:13 it's all about the host right now Sep 04 09:56:14 is there a list of mixer channels and what each of them is affecting? Sep 04 09:56:27 harnir: don't think so yet Sep 04 09:56:48 harnir: you could use alsamixer to find out about all available faders Sep 04 09:57:07 Infoport: please provide: ip r and ip a FROM your gta02 Sep 04 09:57:11 have to go Sep 04 09:57:12 so hurry Sep 04 09:58:04 http://nopaste.org/p/aEnu8JCdqb Sep 04 09:59:15 [Bug] #1958: After upgrade , FR hangs at "booting 42%" ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1958 ) Sep 04 10:00:20 that paste has my iptables output Sep 04 10:02:01 qknight and in that iptables dump my router is at .1.23 Sep 04 10:02:42 any french here? (for operator questions) Sep 04 10:03:43 dim: oui Sep 04 10:04:29 Infoport: k Sep 04 10:04:44 qknight here is ip r and ip a from gta02 http://nopaste.org/p/adqObh4jbb Sep 04 10:05:02 k Sep 04 10:05:04 charlie137: is BT internet "forfait" ok for Neo1973? Sep 04 10:05:06 you simply lack the default gw Sep 04 10:05:27 Infoport: ip r add via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 (on the gta02) Sep 04 10:05:36 and here we go Sep 04 10:05:39 have a nice day! Sep 04 10:06:14 so nobody has crashed his microsd card slot with 2008.8? Sep 04 10:06:22 i can't use it anymore. it's simply not there anymore Sep 04 10:06:25 not sure what caused htis Sep 04 10:06:45 but maybe only the card is broken, will put the 512mb card into it this evening for testing Sep 04 10:06:56 cya (have to go now) Sep 04 10:07:05 qknight sweet! thanks! I tried uncommenting the gateway line in /etc/interfaces, but under the resolvconf instructions it didnt work Sep 04 10:07:12 dim: BT exists in France ? Sep 04 10:07:38 dim: I haven't lived in France for a long time Sep 04 10:07:46 qknight I have crashed my OSes on gta02 with updates to systems on microSD. not sure how that happened, but had to reflash Sep 04 10:08:59 dim: I am afraid I I don't know if BT works with openmoko Sep 04 10:09:53 charlie137: I meant BouyguesTelecom :) Sep 04 10:10:03 dim: ah :) Sep 04 10:10:12 the ip r add command from qknight doesnt seem to persist after network restart...where can I make that permanent? Sep 04 10:10:22 other question (no fr specific): what about macosx sync&compat? Sep 04 10:10:36 dim: eheh I guess I should go back to france some time Sep 04 10:11:04 charlie137: is there something important or can we skip the telco today? we're all together atm. doing ms3 work Sep 04 10:11:13 charlie137: so if it's ok for you, lets talk next week Sep 04 10:11:45 mickey__: AH Sep 04 10:11:52 totally forgot about it ! Sep 04 10:11:56 no problem :) Sep 04 10:11:57 well, I guess we can skip Sep 04 10:12:05 ok, good. Sep 04 10:12:35 dim: I can 't tell you for sure Sep 04 10:12:37 we're going to push PDU handling today which might break sms/cb/phonebook for a bit, would appreciate some testing Sep 04 10:12:43 dim: but if you check the wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers Sep 04 10:12:59 you see Bouygues is listed as compatible Sep 04 10:13:36 mickey__: ok, well, i am busy getting used to QTopia those days Sep 04 10:13:52 mickey__: I also worked a little on the tasklet gsm stuff Sep 04 10:15:14 yeah, i've noticed your mail but did not have time to actually look into that Sep 04 10:17:01 mickey__: no problem Sep 04 10:17:10 but it is quite good i think Sep 04 10:17:26 for sure Sep 04 10:17:35 If you want I can make the whole thing into a convenient python library based on gobject Sep 04 10:17:43 i think a good plan would be to first do a _huge_ amount of automated tests Sep 04 10:17:44 (for the signals) Sep 04 10:17:59 and then gradually introduce this in ogsmd Sep 04 10:18:10 mickey__: sure, tests are the first step to refactoring Sep 04 10:18:13 (library) oh, yes, that would help me Sep 04 10:18:50 thx charlie137 Sep 04 10:19:35 dim: i remember I saw a few posts b4 on the mailing list from french users talking about BT Sep 04 10:22:19 how do I make permanent the command "ip r add via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0"? does this go into interfaces, or do I add another tag to get it added to permanent rules? Sep 04 10:24:51 the "via" route doesnt survive networking restart just from typing in terminal Sep 04 10:27:38 shaz: yep, you just need to use some kernel for "generic" qemu emulated board ;] Sep 04 10:27:46 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rd3f1e887965e 10/illume/illume-config/ (e.src module.illume.src): illume-config: Disable power.auto_suspend and screensaver Sep 04 10:31:01 got voip yet ? Sep 04 10:31:04 I've successfully installed Debian, xfce and mplayer - sound also works :-) Sep 04 10:31:46 harnir: me too but i can't record... Sep 04 10:31:48 its odd.... Sep 04 10:32:18 dbmoodb: check microphone mixer setting Sep 04 10:37:48 Can someone give a hint as to why my build is failing? http://pastebin.ca/1193570 Sep 04 10:38:00 I've tried to run the failed command and it completes fine Sep 04 10:41:16 bleah, my new 2008.8 image gets hung when installing simple things, like illume config Sep 04 10:42:34 correction: just installer hangs but can be Removed Sep 04 10:43:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcd72f979c018 10/setup.py: fix setup to automatically install all examples Sep 04 10:43:43 only thing i miss in freerunners hw: a decent 2mpix camera. even the lack of 3g doesn't bother me that much as 3g prices are still too high for reasonable use Sep 04 10:44:55 harnir: i have... does it work for you ? Sep 04 10:48:31 dbmoodb: haven't tried yet Sep 04 10:54:32 gromgull: check your .bb file once again Sep 04 10:56:07 i've not touched them - they are directly from the openmoko makefile Sep 04 11:04:17 <|FiLiP|> gromgull: known issue if you're on debian an derivates (ubuntu, ....) ; check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Build_issues Sep 04 11:08:35 <|FiLiP|> gromgull: On current Ubuntu/Debian unstable/testing boxes another trick is necessary: glibc_2.6.1 fails to build since it is unable to generate the necessary locales until you type in the following line: Sep 04 11:08:35 <|FiLiP|> sudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=0 Sep 04 11:16:38 hi Sep 04 11:17:09 does anyone know in which package I can found the python "getpass" module ? Sep 04 11:18:07 |FiLiP|: sounds scary. does that mean NULL pointers can now point to active pages? Sep 04 11:18:39 * hipitihop waves to the residents Sep 04 11:19:02 Hi, I'm using qtopia (no om... sorry ;( ) and I have a question about qtopia, somebody could help me please? Sep 04 11:19:55 sylar91: I can try Sep 04 11:20:20 sylar91: i am not very familiar with qtopia, but I am digging into the code right now Sep 04 11:20:44 ok, thx. I want to add a script to the "devtools" menu, do you know how to do this? Sep 04 11:21:13 sylar91, I don't pretend to speak for everyone here but I don't think anyone objects to qtopia questions as anything freerunner seems to be welcome here. Hower also note that if you don't get the answer you need you may also try on #qtopia channel Sep 04 11:22:11 I'm using qtopia on fr... Sep 04 11:22:11 <|FiLiP|> I'm running qtopia as well as primary OS on my FR, trying to get shr-unstable up as secondary Sep 04 11:22:32 sylar91: sorry what is the devtools menu ? Sep 04 11:23:11 is a button in the main menu where you can run script from a gui, without run a terminal to exec every time a script Sep 04 11:23:40 ah, well, i don't know Sep 04 11:23:53 mmm Sep 04 11:23:55 maybe I found Sep 04 11:26:41 seomeone mentioned here earlier a package available that allows you to mod your voice during a call has anyone a link ? Sep 04 11:29:54 Doesn't the phone do that on its own? XD Sep 04 11:29:58 :P Sep 04 11:30:18 Dave, :p Sep 04 11:30:19 hi dave :D Sep 04 11:30:55 Hallo! Sep 04 11:31:32 celtune: you're in my repository, downloadin mah packagez Sep 04 11:31:48 hi Dave :) Sep 04 11:32:09 celtune, some nice packages btw. do you know if the python-opengl actually works ? Sep 04 11:32:10 :) Sep 04 11:32:16 heh Sep 04 11:32:18 i hope they are all working for you Sep 04 11:33:12 hipitihop: sorry python-opengl not testet Sep 04 11:35:11 Marcel, are you master of celtune? :P Sep 04 11:35:34 Dave: yes Sep 04 11:35:59 :D Sep 04 11:36:06 Good, now I can harass you! :) Sep 04 11:36:15 lol :) Sep 04 11:37:00 I'm bored Sep 04 11:37:08 so I'm going to stalk people using TangoGPS Sep 04 11:37:11 Celtune, is my impression correct, that many of the packages just have empty entries (they are added to the packages archive file, but nothing describing it), or is opkg just fucked up, or were they just not intended for this particular version? Sep 04 11:37:12 and see if they're on here Sep 04 11:37:18 * Dave high-fives tunys Sep 04 11:37:24 ooh, I should do that too Sep 04 11:37:33 check if my stalker got any closer! :o Sep 04 11:37:47 is there an undrwater in the house?? Sep 04 11:38:10 you're only 540 km from me Sep 04 11:38:14 ooooh, k-lined Sep 04 11:38:15 the big K Sep 04 11:38:23 wonder what she was doing Sep 04 11:38:36 hahah omg Sep 04 11:38:42 No wonder my phone was running slow Sep 04 11:38:48 openmoko-today is using 413M Sep 04 11:38:51 Dave: what dio you mean Sep 04 11:38:54 AWESOME Sep 04 11:39:08 TheDoctor? is that DocScrutinizer? Sep 04 11:39:11 tunys, spamming, apparently Sep 04 11:39:21 maybe doc|home? Sep 04 11:39:21 |FiLiP|: Thanks! I wont ask how on earth you figured this out Sep 04 11:39:27 Kamping_Kaiser: cool Sep 04 11:40:05 ~DocScrutinizer Sep 04 11:40:06 rumour has it, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Sep 04 11:40:39 /whois DocScrutinizer Sep 04 11:40:52 celtune, here is an example. if I opkg info that's IN celtune, AND my local updated repository (on the phone), not only does it not just come up with version, package, arch, but then no description, but opkg just prints NOTHING, as if it wasn't there, which is what it typically prints when it can't find a particular package. Sep 04 11:41:03 KenYoung! :) Sep 04 11:41:33 Hi Dave! Sep 04 11:42:11 celtune, in fact, it would appear that many of the packages in your repository are MISSING from the Packages.gz file! because when I opkg install them, it doesn't find them in the repo! I have to manually link to them (I recall having to do this with SEVERAL packages!) Sep 04 11:42:22 Dave: it got nothing to do with my rep if there is no description than there is no desc. in the .bb Sep 04 11:42:26 Kenyoung, a pleasure, as always, to see you :) Sep 04 11:43:13 Dave, You're too kind. Sep 04 11:43:26 :) Sep 04 11:44:02 anyone know if/when sound on suspend/resume is/will be resolved on 2008.8-upgraded ? Sep 04 11:44:35 woto, my freerunner only takes six minues to reboot! Sep 04 11:44:37 hipitihop: it works good on my FR, but i have not tested it with SIM Sep 04 11:44:52 I return to what a wise noob once said... Sep 04 11:44:59 only problem is that suspend->resume breaks the usb charging Sep 04 11:45:09 Is the 2008.8 ready for the neo yet? Sep 04 11:45:11 you need to remove and instert the usb again Sep 04 11:45:12 Dave: yes many of them are not in the packages file but if you tell me the packages i can add them ;) Sep 04 11:45:14 :D Sep 04 11:45:18 ;) Sep 04 11:45:27 maybe jadams can help us with the answer :) Sep 04 11:45:29 celtune, uggh, okay :P Sep 04 11:45:32 Zorkman :D Sep 04 11:45:35 these are packages from elder builds Sep 04 11:45:40 whoah! Sep 04 11:45:43 celtune, I'm sure there's got a be a way to automate the process Sep 04 11:45:44 zoekman, I mean with sim.... today for the first time I experienced it after suspend/resume, I could not hear the dialed ring or the other party and the other party could not hear me. rebooting the fr fixed Sep 04 11:45:48 DocScrutinizer: so do you live that close to the highway? Sep 04 11:45:52 elder builds? :\ Sep 04 11:45:52 or were you driving? Sep 04 11:46:02 driving well freerunning!? Sep 04 11:46:06 that sounds HIGHLY dangerous :p Sep 04 11:46:19 Don't drive and Moko! Sep 04 11:46:23 no me dont want to automate it Sep 04 11:46:27 maybe he was at a restaurant, I'll google maps his location Sep 04 11:46:31 IO have build a little farraday cage fot the FR to sit in when I transport it with the car, it's just too darn dangerous Sep 04 11:46:51 hup holland! Sep 04 11:47:02 celtune, I'm not saying you must automate it (though I really don't understand why you would not), just write a script to run once which will add everything that's missing... Sep 04 11:47:05 unless you don't want that :( Sep 04 11:47:32 * DocScrutinizer lives *inside* a highway bridge (like "Einstuerzende Neubauten" had their studio once) ;-) Sep 04 11:47:41 oic Sep 04 11:47:52 Doc, makes you sound more like a troll! Sep 04 11:47:53 and you get internet there? Sep 04 11:47:58 living under a bridge and all :D Sep 04 11:48:02 lurking in your lair Sep 04 11:48:07 I knew he was evil! :P Sep 04 11:48:12 and not just because he was german! :P Sep 04 11:48:18 can someone describe the purpose of busybox in < 25 words Sep 04 11:48:18 there are also tubes under a brigde, hence there is internet Sep 04 11:48:52 hippityhop, to fuck you over episodically, and remind you of its inherent shittiness? Sep 04 11:48:57 There, does that suffice? :) Sep 04 11:49:00 * Zorkman quotes wikipedia: "usyBox is a software application which provides many standard Unix tools, much like the larger (but more capable) GNU Core Utilities." Sep 04 11:49:29 *cough* INFERIOR standard Unix tools *cough* Sep 04 11:49:38 more capable? Sep 04 11:49:48 for causing one to commit suicide, maybe. Sep 04 11:49:55 oh nice, my freerunner just finished booting. Sep 04 11:50:02 BB is a posix shell, but i'll agree the tools are annoying as hell Sep 04 11:50:27 they're so INcapable of doing what you want Sep 04 11:50:35 because they only support like half the options, etc. Sep 04 11:50:43 they merely infuriate the user Sep 04 11:50:53 but when the alternative is cross-compiling the bin tools... Sep 04 11:50:53 heh Sep 04 11:50:58 maybe they just tend to suck it up :p Sep 04 11:51:36 when opening the case, can someone see if the gps hw fix is there? Sep 04 11:51:39 <|FiLiP|> BusyBox has been written with size-optimization and limited resources in mind. Sep 04 11:51:48 ;p Sep 04 11:51:51 clearly Sep 04 11:52:10 What'd you get that from the man page or something? ;) Sep 04 11:52:31 Nah Sep 04 11:52:39 there is no man on the freerunner :P Sep 04 11:52:48 Dave, Zorkman - you got an idea? Sep 04 11:53:07 in the wrong context... that would infuriate a lot of people associated with this project Sep 04 11:53:31 phrozen77: you can (at least i heard) Sep 04 11:53:34 phrozen, you'd likely have to take it apart Sep 04 11:53:38 look at the sd-card Sep 04 11:53:39 and hoooooow? Sep 04 11:53:53 DESTROY IT! Sep 04 11:54:44 STOP ON IT! Sep 04 11:54:47 BURN IT! Sep 04 11:55:05 stomp? Sep 04 11:55:12 yeah Sep 04 11:55:23 silly tuna :p Sep 04 11:55:31 ;) Sep 04 11:55:46 though stomping involves a fair amount of stopping force Sep 04 11:55:54 phrozen77: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf Sep 04 11:56:02 hah Sep 04 11:56:10 go go Zorkapedia Sep 04 11:56:11 ;) Sep 04 11:56:25 has anyone noticed that bricode is in South America? Sep 04 11:56:26 I KNOW IT ALL! ^^ Sep 04 11:56:31 hva gjör du? Sep 04 11:56:33 last seen in the middle of a highway Sep 04 11:56:37 did he get kidnapped? Sep 04 11:56:41 tunys, that's an improvement from Antarctica! Sep 04 11:56:43 :D Sep 04 11:56:53 he was in Antarctica? Sep 04 11:56:56 yeah Sep 04 11:56:58 for a long time Sep 04 11:57:10 how to use scap.linuxtogo.org from the command line? Sep 04 11:57:10 phrozen77 should have been in antarctica Sep 04 11:57:11 apparently he rafted it up,... onto a south american highway? o_O Sep 04 11:57:16 party? Sep 04 11:57:30 harnir, is X running? Sep 04 11:57:38 yes Sep 04 11:57:55 run: gpe-scap Sep 04 11:58:01 JohnGay, there's a name I recognize Sep 04 11:58:01 that should launch the screenshot application Sep 04 11:58:05 he's in Florida! Sep 04 11:58:09 haha Sep 04 11:58:41 last seen just a couple days ago! Sep 04 11:59:02 hmm Sep 04 11:59:06 let's see if I can stalk yet Sep 04 11:59:22 Dave: command not found (on Debian) Sep 04 11:59:30 OH, debian Sep 04 11:59:35 why didn't you say so :D Sep 04 11:59:39 :-) Sep 04 11:59:41 we're not ALL using debian... yet... Sep 04 11:59:43 >:) Sep 04 11:59:46 YET Sep 04 11:59:54 MWHAHAHA Sep 04 12:00:06 ;) Sep 04 12:00:11 so? Sep 04 12:00:27 I, reluctantly, have no idea. Sep 04 12:00:29 just confirmed that sound seems to be ok on 2008.8-upgraded (updated 10 minutes ago) seems to work with voice calls after suspend/resume Sep 04 12:01:14 * Dave slaps celtune around a bit with a large tuna Sep 04 12:01:18 noticed a swag of updates inlcuding busibox and alsa which may or may not have fixed something Sep 04 12:01:22 * tunys ouch Sep 04 12:01:37 ;D Sep 04 12:02:14 John Gay also lives rather close a main road Sep 04 12:02:22 more importantly, are there any decent games in the celtune repo Sep 04 12:03:38 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07zhone * r790b1de2ed16 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): zhone: Remove top bar in favour of the illume bar. Display year under time Sep 04 12:03:58 Nickname: neoistheshit Sep 04 12:03:59 :D Sep 04 12:04:03 :D Sep 04 12:04:15 Dave: found it :-) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_scap Sep 04 12:04:33 :D Sep 04 12:05:09 Dave: that's not you, is it? Sep 04 12:05:22 found you! Sep 04 12:05:50 FOR I AM DAVE Sep 04 12:05:59 ... and THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! Sep 04 12:06:13 tunys: wherever you find Dave, I'll set my watch and warrant on the fact that she (=Lazy Lulu) will also be near Sep 04 12:06:14 * Dave starts swinging in random directions with a big sword. Sep 04 12:06:32 I hope she hasn't gotten any closer :\ Sep 04 12:06:32 Zorkman: yeah, lazy lulu is pretty close Sep 04 12:06:34 crazy bitch! Sep 04 12:06:37 bugger, just tried gpe-tetris from celtune feed but it fails when run for missing /usr/share/pixmaps Sep 04 12:06:39 tunys, she's stalking me. Sep 04 12:06:42 :( Sep 04 12:06:56 goddamn pos, get a fix already! Sep 04 12:07:53 I'm going to use distance triangulation to figure out how close you are Sep 04 12:08:07 far away? Sep 04 12:08:11 from foreigners :D Sep 04 12:08:18 how close you are from lazy lulu Sep 04 12:08:24 hipitihop: for all the games just take a look http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ (but the site takes some time to load - ~ 18500 ipks in there) Sep 04 12:08:28 she last updated on the 31st Sep 04 12:09:00 yeah it does Sep 04 12:09:09 ah good Sep 04 12:09:13 hopefully she didn't get any closer Sep 04 12:09:13 celtune, thanks that's where I am looking. see above re problem with gpe-tetris Sep 04 12:09:42 sorry i just builded the .bb out of oe Sep 04 12:09:44 celtune, did you hear my last gripe regarding your repository? ;) Sep 04 12:09:49 heh Sep 04 12:09:51 for gpe-tetris Sep 04 12:10:10 Dave: yes im thinking about it Sep 04 12:10:22 how to do it best way Sep 04 12:10:43 celtune, do you know any games which work on fr ? 2008.8 ? Sep 04 12:11:12 sorry me got no fr just a nbeo Sep 04 12:11:28 celtune okay :) Sep 04 12:11:32 and me dont use 2008.8 Sep 04 12:11:38 celtune, ah, okay! Sep 04 12:13:17 !logs Sep 04 12:13:18 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Sep 04 12:13:19 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Sep 04 12:13:19 Live-logs are available at Sep 04 12:13:21 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Sep 04 12:13:23 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Sep 04 12:15:15 you're like 1 km by my math, darkjames Sep 04 12:15:18 er, Dave Sep 04 12:15:29 celtune, huh? Sep 04 12:15:36 damn, did I get a fix yet? Sep 04 12:15:49 sweet! Sep 04 12:15:58 I just needed to put it out the window! Sep 04 12:16:29 Dave: you don't need to get a fix to throw her off Sep 04 12:16:29 hmm, i really have to put in that capacitator Sep 04 12:16:39 ;D Sep 04 12:16:39 set someplace else as your current location Sep 04 12:16:46 how does one know how to launch something just installed from a package which did not put an icon on the desktop ? Sep 04 12:16:47 ronny, FLUX capacitor? ;D Sep 04 12:16:51 like in South America with bricode Sep 04 12:16:53 tunys, antarctica! Sep 04 12:16:58 PARTY WITH BRICODE! Sep 04 12:17:01 YEAH! Sep 04 12:17:04 \o/ Sep 04 12:17:05 ON THE HIGHWAY!! Sep 04 12:17:19 Dave: nag, that 5µf thing to fix the interference betwen the dscard reader and gps Sep 04 12:17:23 :D lollers Sep 04 12:17:29 hipitihop_zzz: use the terminal? Sep 04 12:17:53 tunys, that sounds ridiculously dangerous. Sep 04 12:17:56 ronny, yeah Sep 04 12:17:57 :) Sep 04 12:18:04 then SDHC! Sep 04 12:18:05 woo Sep 04 12:18:05 ronny; if i had to choose between a flux capacitator or a 5µf thing... FLUX ALL THE WAY! Sep 04 12:18:14 Tig|, yes but how can I tell what the package installed ? Sep 04 12:18:15 Zorkman, it would seem that she has returned to Philly. Sep 04 12:18:28 yeah Sep 04 12:18:30 _____o/[ ]\o_______\o/ Sep 04 12:18:31 i lost the bet :( Sep 04 12:18:33 that's a car Sep 04 12:18:40 nearly run over a party animal Sep 04 12:18:42 |FiLiP| - your sysctl fix made no difference though :( Sep 04 12:18:44 I get the same error Sep 04 12:19:00 hipitihop_zzz: ah, what were you trying to install? Sep 04 12:19:51 oh-puzzles Sep 04 12:20:14 ah Sep 04 12:20:17 no idea then Sep 04 12:20:25 OmG Sep 04 12:20:31 wurp is in the US! Sep 04 12:20:35 I can do 'opkg info oh-puzzles' but when I do 'opkg files oh-puzzles' it says it is not installed Sep 04 12:20:37 unpack the ipkg and have a look inside? Sep 04 12:20:39 linuxxr Sep 04 12:20:43 i know I've heard that before Sep 04 12:20:56 Dave: 'morning. Where are you located anyway? Sep 04 12:21:10 bricode: why are you in South America? Sep 04 12:21:15 have you been kidnapped? Sep 04 12:21:18 haha Sep 04 12:21:23 yeah, that's what we're wondering ;) Sep 04 12:21:24 tunys: It's where I choose to be. Sep 04 12:21:33 tunys: The weather and food here are better. Sep 04 12:21:34 I think bricode just likes to spoof his location to give us all a good laugh. Sep 04 12:21:37 and paranoia Sep 04 12:21:40 :P Sep 04 12:21:43 bricode, on a highway? Sep 04 12:21:45 bricode: so... tax evasion? Sep 04 12:21:48 :P Sep 04 12:21:49 haha Sep 04 12:22:08 who's that guy in Mexico, fice? Sep 04 12:22:11 Dave: Ditches are pretty comfortable. So are cardboard boxes. Sep 04 12:22:17 :D Sep 04 12:22:23 hobo powa! Sep 04 12:22:30 tunys: Actually, more tax planning. Sep 04 12:22:49 bricode: gonna start a pyramid scheme then? Sep 04 12:22:50 "planning" ... yeeeeeeeeeeah Sep 04 12:22:54 :P Sep 04 12:22:58 Also our target market are emerging nations, so why not be on the ground? Sep 04 12:23:03 yeah, get with the Mexican mafia. Sep 04 12:23:16 they are powerful here in Arizona (hint as to location) Sep 04 12:23:16 :o Sep 04 12:23:24 tunys: Well, we do have a 2-tier referral program with Koolu. Sep 04 12:23:25 you must be melting, today Sep 04 12:23:35 cthuulhu? Sep 04 12:23:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8e5e8f450fbc 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py: ogsmd: start honoring user and password in PDP Sep 04 12:24:12 oh, you liars Sep 04 12:24:15 he's in CENTRAL america Sep 04 12:24:18 pfft Sep 04 12:24:25 Dave: you didn't answer my question. Where you from? Sep 04 12:24:26 I think he secretly wants to be a rebel fighter Sep 04 12:24:32 I AM FROM THE NEW YORKS Sep 04 12:24:37 Why are there so many people in the ocean off the cost of Africa? Sep 04 12:24:44 they drowned Sep 04 12:24:46 :( Sep 04 12:24:47 oic Sep 04 12:24:56 the failboat sank! Sep 04 12:24:56 :D Sep 04 12:25:07 :D Sep 04 12:25:12 bad omen to the OM project Sep 04 12:25:37 :D Sep 04 12:25:42 you support PDP boxen? ;-P Sep 04 12:25:57 I found another floater Sep 04 12:26:05 look off the cost of India Sep 04 12:26:09 name is deye Sep 04 12:26:50 can the freerunner send/receive mms? Sep 04 12:27:49 phrozen77: don't think so Sep 04 12:27:52 I'm still somewhat disappointed nyu isn't from new york :| Sep 04 12:27:59 phrozen, mine can Sep 04 12:28:07 tunys ;D Sep 04 12:28:12 but I have never been very excited about the sorts of things people MMS me Sep 04 12:28:16 Search and Rescue teams, MOBILIZE! Sep 04 12:28:28 hmm locations seem to expire on the TangoGPS friends service Sep 04 12:28:29 tunys, heh yeah Sep 04 12:28:39 heh Sep 04 12:28:43 Means you should use it more! Sep 04 12:28:45 MORE! Sep 04 12:29:46 MOAR! Sep 04 12:29:52 lawks there is another user within about 20 miles of me! Sep 04 12:30:11 clicking on that huge sex orgy in Europe crashes TangoGPS on my neo Sep 04 12:30:29 is that a POI? :P Sep 04 12:31:24 Zorkman, I just noticed there's an Aaron which appears to be 50km away from you ;p Sep 04 12:31:27 :D Sep 04 12:32:19 my neighborhood hasn't been drawn yet ;_; Sep 04 12:32:27 So I went onto OSM Sep 04 12:32:35 yeah i was it also Sep 04 12:32:37 and I drew a road that goes through my hood Sep 04 12:32:51 but it hasn't appeared on OSM.org yet ;_; Sep 04 12:33:23 tunys: takes about a week Sep 04 12:33:24 good Sep 04 12:33:32 Stop messing with our maps! Sep 04 12:33:35 *was=saw Sep 04 12:33:57 the guy better identify himself withing the next 24hours or i'm going underground Sep 04 12:34:02 -g Sep 04 12:34:38 :D Sep 04 12:36:50 yeah, it must expire, (hopefully not literally :P), because more than half the aussie freerunners disappeared Sep 04 12:36:56 now it's just hippityhop and a few other sifs Sep 04 12:36:57 :P Sep 04 12:38:51 Average Speed: -0.2 mph Sep 04 12:38:55 what the hell is that??? Sep 04 12:39:01 I'm going backwards through space? Sep 04 12:39:07 hippityhop, holy shit, you live in the middle of NOWHERE! Sep 04 12:39:09 :P Sep 04 12:39:18 tunys, oh yeah, hot right? Sep 04 12:39:25 I have several screenshots of me going under the sea! :P Sep 04 12:39:32 with negative altitude Sep 04 12:39:36 Dave: look at me, I live on a vacant spot Sep 04 12:39:42 eh? Sep 04 12:39:45 yeah yeah Sep 04 12:39:57 go make a sandcastle or something :P Sep 04 12:40:22 grrr where is the GTK theme in the FSO image Sep 04 12:40:43 it is not named the same in the bearstech repos or is not there Sep 04 12:43:55 hmm, when is fso3 due? Sep 04 12:44:04 (i need working sms, too) Sep 04 12:44:42 Tig|: contact the guy who maintains the bearstech thingy, he is always willing to add it to the repo Sep 04 12:44:46 ronny: when these are complete I guess ; http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone3 Sep 04 12:44:58 ronny: mickeyl said in the weekend Sep 04 12:45:14 Zorkman: will do, I need to just check it is not me being an idiot ;0 Sep 04 12:45:18 :) even Sep 04 12:49:58 nice Sep 04 12:50:07 mickyl says a lot of things ~_~ Sep 04 12:50:33 hmm, if that is done, i can finally replace my old phone with the freerunner Sep 04 12:50:52 \o/ Sep 04 12:50:56 Fix the freerunner! Sep 04 12:52:45 yo what needs to be done? Sep 04 12:53:31 EVERYTHING! Sep 04 12:55:05 wat? i thought it wuz fully functional!!!1! Sep 04 12:55:27 igor321: it is - for us. Sep 04 12:55:43 harnir: okay then :) Sep 04 12:56:32 i didn't order it to call my grandma anyways Sep 04 12:57:05 My neo1973 is more functional than my nokia 3300. Sep 04 12:57:18 But I trod on that, and it's not worked right since. Sep 04 12:58:07 haha Sep 04 12:58:16 what are you dissing each other now? Sep 04 12:58:33 My freerunner is more functional that your grandma! Sep 04 12:59:24 really depends on that you consider functional Sep 04 12:59:34 cause my grandma bakes cookies Sep 04 12:59:36 hahaha Sep 04 12:59:40 oooh Sep 04 13:00:01 my Fr burns nearby electronics :P Sep 04 13:00:03 she don't make phonecalls, though Sep 04 13:00:13 ;D Sep 04 13:00:17 yeah Sep 04 13:00:19 mine too Sep 04 13:00:24 TERRORISM! Sep 04 13:01:19 mine just crashes windows boxes Sep 04 13:01:30 and i refuse to fix that or report it as bug Sep 04 13:02:24 ronny: that's definately not a bug ;-) Sep 04 13:02:37 or it is, but on the Windows side Sep 04 13:02:40 it's a feature ;] Sep 04 13:02:43 ronny: er it is an anti-theft feature :) Sep 04 13:02:48 oh Sep 04 13:02:51 nice Sep 04 13:03:01 is there any way to boost the range Sep 04 13:03:07 to say like 10 miles Sep 04 13:03:20 is there really a need? just be more patient :) Sep 04 13:03:30 someone here installed edje_cc onto debian Sep 04 13:03:31 ? Sep 04 13:03:34 (i really want our small town free of windows) Sep 04 13:03:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje Sep 04 13:04:23 this channel needs it's own bash! Sep 04 13:04:32 make a page on the wiki for quotes Sep 04 13:04:39 i was able to decompile the fso.edj, changed the background image but then the edje_cc fails with unknown tags inside the edc file. Sep 04 13:06:20 I'm trying to update or install my fresh Freerunner, but i get 8 404's when i run update, and it cant find any packages. Sep 04 13:06:41 (i get 404 for both archinves and signature files) Sep 04 13:07:16 DNS and network is set up and working Sep 04 13:07:41 hmm Sep 04 13:07:47 dammit Sep 04 13:08:08 on intrepid the network-manager detects the phone as network device and does odd stuff Sep 04 13:08:43 it does that on hardy too Sep 04 13:09:06 kinky :p Sep 04 13:09:08 you then have to click the icon and reselect your normal network device, you can turn it off Sep 04 13:09:09 oO it didnt on mine Sep 04 13:09:12 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180285661027 Sep 04 13:09:14 ^^ Sep 04 13:09:49 is there any way to make an propper setup that doesnt require any more messing around every time one plugs the freerunner in ? Sep 04 13:10:04 heh Sep 04 13:10:30 pointers to howtos would be nice, as i cant find usefull stuff via google Sep 04 13:12:52 oh, it seems like network-manager is suppsoed to handle multiple connections starting at version 0.7 Sep 04 13:13:08 is the empty battery bug still revelant? I've heard that with empty battery, when I connect FR to power after ~5 minutes I can turn it on without problems, it's true? Sep 04 13:14:06 [Bug] #1959: Qtopia build key needs to be set ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1959 ) Sep 04 13:15:35 ronny: if usb0 is configured in /etc/interfaces then NM should not touch it Sep 04 13:16:07 oh, it is Sep 04 13:16:45 how do you normally start it? Sep 04 13:16:52 (usb networking) Sep 04 13:17:13 plug&play Sep 04 13:17:24 at least thats what i did before switching to intrepid Sep 04 13:17:30 now it shows up in nm Sep 04 13:17:45 oh dammit, i left my usb cable at home Sep 04 13:18:26 harnir: I never experienced this bug either Sep 04 13:18:33 I think it was fixed with a kernel patch or something Sep 04 13:18:50 I had it once but that was a while ago Sep 04 13:19:18 I'm thinking about testing it... Sep 04 13:19:27 you can "jump start" it if you have another nokia battery of the same size and voltage Sep 04 13:19:37 I tried to turn FR on without battery insterted and on USB power, didn't work Sep 04 13:19:52 Tig|: yeah, I don't have it ;-) Sep 04 13:20:23 plug in using usb then put your jumpstart battery in or even just touch to contacts, turn on and then you can swap the batteries back :) Sep 04 13:20:26 How can i get the current battery charge? Sep 04 13:20:39 Kagee: apm Sep 04 13:21:04 terminal? Sep 04 13:21:21 "Online, battery charging" Sep 04 13:21:31 but what IS the charge? Sep 04 13:21:35 Kagee: disconnect FR Sep 04 13:21:41 and check again Sep 04 13:22:09 Kagee: and in terminal, apm should give you exact amount Sep 04 13:22:18 93% :-D Sep 04 13:23:47 is anyone using a wifi with a wpa network on FSO with a GUI? Sep 04 13:23:51 is that valid for Ã¥ new phone/battery? Sep 04 13:25:40 see you later Sep 04 13:32:52 ahoi Sep 04 13:33:06 woot wifi working again Sep 04 13:37:14 Tig|: what did you do ? Sep 04 13:37:23 my wifi has been broken for more than a week... Sep 04 13:37:32 well this is on FSO Sep 04 13:37:38 ah ok Sep 04 13:38:02 downloaded lint-wifi from the wiki and did the a wpasupplicant conf and this time it all worked Sep 04 13:39:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raa7d34ea0096 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/pdp.py ti_calypso/modem.py): ogsmd: repair ppp connections without user and password Sep 04 13:40:01 if FSO could deal with SMS messages it would be back as my daily phone again I think :) Sep 04 13:43:17 well, i'm sure we will see a plethora of interface approaches now that the service framework reaches the critical mass Sep 04 13:51:52 mickey|ICE691: I hope so, great job btw :) Sep 04 13:53:06 Dave, can you explain "sifs" and where have you seen my location btw ? Sep 04 14:01:53 Does 2008.8 have nfs support ? I want to try to use the fr to play mp3s etc off my NAS drive while at home Sep 04 14:10:01 Hi, is there anyone who has played videos with mplayer (glamo modded)? Sep 04 14:10:12 this may be an insane question, but... is there any way to capture and surpress the register of a click? Sep 04 14:10:28 is it still recommended to isntal gpsd on 2008.8-updated ? as per tangogps page on wiki ? Sep 04 14:11:24 s/isntal/install Sep 04 14:14:30 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180285661027&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008 Sep 04 14:24:22 during install of gpsd I got "update-alternatives: Linking //etc/default/gpsd to /etc/default/gpsd.default" can someone explain what that is doing ? Sep 04 14:26:22 hipitihop Sep 04 14:26:39 alternatives is a way for linux distros so say that multiple files can fulfill the role of a single program Sep 04 14:26:54 i.e. think python and how version 2.4, 2.5 etc can all be installed on one system Sep 04 14:27:05 alternatives just says which to execute when you call just "python" Sep 04 14:27:15 here we say multiple things could fulfill the role of gpsd Sep 04 14:27:18 and we will use this one Sep 04 14:28:02 so /etc/default/gpsd.default is the one that is being used and I'm safe to make changes in there Sep 04 14:28:13 yep Sep 04 14:28:20 well - safe if you know what you are doing i guess :) Sep 04 14:28:42 so essentially it is a simlink Sep 04 14:29:19 :-) got it thanks gromgull Sep 04 14:30:05 it IS a symlink :) Sep 04 14:30:33 update-alternatives just gives you a structured way to maintain them Sep 04 14:41:38 Hi, someone could help me please? I have a qpk package? how can I install it? oO Sep 04 14:42:16 if you mean ipk package then just: opkg install foo.ipk Sep 04 14:44:36 hmm, there is not enouvh space to irc using pigin on ghe freerunner Sep 04 14:46:05 ah but if you get rid of the formatting bar it fits :) Sep 04 14:55:44 someone looking for me? Sep 04 14:56:15 someone asked a question about a voice changer if i recall correctly AntonTakk Sep 04 14:56:20 I think it was addressed to you Sep 04 14:58:33 ah, that was just an idea i was throwing out, i have nowhere near enough skill to code such an app Sep 04 15:02:33 that was me that was asking, I thought you meant that such a thing existed Sep 04 15:06:56 hey guys is anyone generous enough to give me five bucks im willing to do anything aye please guys Sep 04 15:07:22 I need my lawn done. Sep 04 15:07:34 I already have the nail-scissors. Sep 04 15:10:58 watcha need only 5 bucks for? Sep 04 15:15:56 slaxxin: Well, $5 x the number of saps who give to a random anonymous beggar on irc might add up to enough to be worth his time Sep 04 15:18:14 Hi. Is Paul-Valentin Borza sometimes around here on IRC? What’s his nickname? Sep 04 15:20:47 wurp i think i saw u in dallas Sep 04 15:20:59 gps Sep 04 15:21:15 south ou dallas Sep 04 15:21:34 slaxxin: Yep, probably at Southwest Sep 04 15:21:36 where I work Sep 04 15:21:50 sorry Sep 04 15:21:53 where I "work" Sep 04 15:22:33 aislines? Sep 04 15:22:39 airlines Sep 04 15:23:00 yeah Sep 04 15:23:09 is the FIC board used by Moko custom designed, or was it an off-the-shelf part? Sep 04 15:23:10 my daughter works south of arlington Sep 04 15:23:12 slinging Java code at HDQ Sep 04 15:23:24 slaxxin: Heh, I live south of Arlington Sep 04 15:23:33 she does to Sep 04 15:24:04 off cooper street Sep 04 15:24:04 maybe wurp2|working is your daughter! Sep 04 15:24:11 nope Sep 04 15:35:39 hi, is there anybody who have installed the qtopia sdk? Sep 04 15:35:52 sylar91: why asking? (:) Sep 04 15:36:23 because I need help... do you have it? Sep 04 15:36:24 had it installed yesterday Sep 04 15:36:37 * cjb flashes raster's image. Sep 04 15:36:39 have 2008.8 updated now Sep 04 15:36:48 I have a qpk package and I need to install it but I needs the sdk... Sep 04 15:37:17 so somebody could please use his sdk to make me installing the package, it's urgent... Sep 04 15:39:10 noone helps me? ;( Sep 04 15:39:58 sylar91: Did you search the wiki for qtopia sdk? Sep 04 15:40:41 yes, but it is 700 megabyte and I can't download it... so somebody could use his sdk please? it takes only few seconds Sep 04 15:41:32 I don't have the sdk and don't understand what you're asking for, besides :-) Are you asking someone to build something for you? Sep 04 15:41:44 yes... Sep 04 15:41:53 I'm trying to update my fresh Freerunner (2007.2, probably), but when i run "opkg update" i get 404 errors on alle the files. When i visit the URL using my browser, it sais the files have been moved :-? Sep 04 15:41:55 I have the package and I need to install it... Sep 04 15:44:26 is there a possibility to connect a microphone to freerunner and use it as a dictating machine (in terms of battery life)? Sep 04 15:45:00 piksi: it already has a microphone... Sep 04 15:45:14 piksi: There are scripts on the wiki to record Sep 04 15:45:15 so, anyone tried to install Google Chrome on FreeRunner? Sep 04 15:45:15 usually phone mics are good for near voices only Sep 04 15:45:24 piksi: true Sep 04 15:45:40 piksi: You could absolutely connect a usb mic... just write the drivers :-) Sep 04 15:45:57 i *seriously* doubt that it would be able to record anything worth listening with purely its own mic, but i was thinking of connecting a mic to the hf Sep 04 15:45:58 harnir: chrome is windows-beta only Sep 04 15:46:12 we'll just have to wait for someone to port chrome to linux Sep 04 15:46:21 piksi: It can record just fine (like a phone conversation) if you hold it to your mouth like a phone... Sep 04 15:46:26 Kagee: but here's the idea - get Chrome running on FR quickier than on iPhone :-) Sep 04 15:46:50 and it's current hype, it can be big publicity stunt Sep 04 15:46:59 I would rather have Opera. Sep 04 15:47:04 here's the idea: stomp on iPhone and burn it Sep 04 15:47:05 ;-) Sep 04 15:47:22 As far as i can update, i cant do anything :-( Sep 04 15:47:51 wurp2|working: yes but that's not what i'm looking for. rather, i was interested in getting an ordinary throat/shotgun mic to the hf-plug Sep 04 15:47:55 piksi: tried to do that few days ago, it started beeping and I had to run off from shop Sep 04 15:48:24 piksi: Oh... then I think the issue would be enough power to drive a good mic Sep 04 15:49:05 wurp2|working: yeah, i was worried about that too. so it's propably down to a good quality usb mic then Sep 04 15:49:10 and getting it to work Sep 04 15:49:18 harnir: you'll have to wave your arms more, like they do in the apple commercials Sep 04 15:54:26 WiiChat Sep 04 15:54:57 If you're autistic and you know it flap your arms... Sep 04 15:56:26 was there a 2008.9 release? Sep 04 15:56:36 * sicu flaps arms frantically Sep 04 15:56:54 cjb: not that I know Sep 04 15:58:13 My (new) phone looks for repositories at buildhost.openmoko.org - have they moved to download.openmoko.org ? Sep 04 15:58:18 cjb: 2008.9 will be a bug-fix-release, but is not out yet: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/milestone/Om2008.9 Sep 04 15:59:04 righto. Sep 04 15:59:17 maybe I should flash latest fso-testing Sep 04 15:59:30 does anyone know if there have been any big improvements (SMS notification?) there recently? Sep 04 16:03:44 no idea, sry Sep 04 16:04:10 Repositories, anyone? Sep 04 16:04:51 what do people use to connect to wifi in 2008.8? Sep 04 16:04:58 the setting screen just says "unknown" Sep 04 16:06:13 cjb: I saw comment messages from CIA- on cdevel yesterday talking about sms notification Sep 04 16:06:22 cool :) Sep 04 16:06:25 but probably not in fso-testing yet Sep 04 16:06:30 dunno Sep 04 16:10:37 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r93070525dfa7 10/packages/dropbear/dropbear.inc: dropbear: add /etc/default/dropbear in conffiles only on openmoko Sep 04 16:10:38 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r388a6f829709 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r69 Sep 04 16:10:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4c2e81ba989f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlies Qtopia fixes Sep 04 16:10:39 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2979edce1c85 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable Sep 04 16:10:47 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r93070525dfa7 10/packages/dropbear/dropbear.inc: dropbear: add /etc/default/dropbear in conffiles only on openmoko Sep 04 16:10:48 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r388a6f829709 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r69 Sep 04 16:10:50 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4c2e81ba989f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlies Qtopia fixes Sep 04 16:10:53 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r8ceb05e86b54 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade efl as encouraged by raster Sep 04 16:11:03 http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm Sep 04 16:11:08 fun board Sep 04 16:12:19 u seen the beagleboard shellevil? Sep 04 16:12:26 yes Sep 04 16:12:41 shellevil wot u think of it? Sep 04 16:13:53 ok for some things Sep 04 16:14:42 enlightenment was unable to fork a child process Sep 04 16:14:50 well thats goog Sep 04 16:20:19 ieatlint: you've seen this: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/battery/ Sep 04 16:35:13 can someone please recommend a good package for a good mail client? Sep 04 16:36:34 also, has anyone been able to get usb keyboard working? Sep 04 16:37:29 I installed Qtopia last night and My pc does not see usb0 Sep 04 16:37:56 anyone know the kernel module to see the device Sep 04 16:43:05 Anyone know how to get usb to be detected? Sep 04 16:46:41 Kagee: more than likely, they had a bit of a clear out Sep 04 16:46:53 and reorganised some stuff Sep 04 16:47:01 so i need to modify *what* files? Sep 04 16:47:08 (for new URL's) Sep 04 16:47:14 and must have forgotten that the shipping images are point at the old places. Sep 04 16:47:44 well the shipping image is very very out of date now, you will probably be best flashing to a newer image Sep 04 16:47:55 and then just update from that Sep 04 16:48:00 A new 2007.2, or another? Sep 04 16:48:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Sep 04 16:49:01 well it is up to you, depends on what you want to do, if you read that wiki page it gives you the options Sep 04 16:50:04 I'm more used to Qt, so i guess 2008.8 is a smart choice? Sep 04 16:50:31 yep, there are a few bugs in it but it is worth playing with Sep 04 16:50:46 Does it *work* ? Sep 04 16:50:49 qtopia is more stable but means you can only use the qt apps Sep 04 16:51:52 Kagee: I installed qtopia, it is the best sofar Sep 04 16:52:01 usb networking is not working for me though =( Sep 04 16:52:10 maybe it is a distro error Sep 04 16:52:15 well last time I tried it a few days ago the keyboard was a tad annoying but they are fixing that and I installed a few things and it seemed to work, they are doing a new release (not just updates but an actual release this month) to bug fix a lot of it Sep 04 16:52:18 yeah, i like qtopia also Sep 04 16:52:28 also, networking worked for me Sep 04 16:52:38 But does qutopia have gps software/accelerometer etc? Sep 04 16:52:58 Raster's keyboard is a must. imho. Sep 04 16:53:11 I am on the FSO image atm with updates from the bearstech repo, and I have everything barrring SMS working :) Sep 04 16:53:30 wifi works, gps works etc :) Sep 04 16:53:51 it is just the phone bit which is not as refined :) Sep 04 16:54:03 but it is a placeholder/demo app Sep 04 16:54:52 btw, anyone wants to buy my freerunner? :) Sep 04 16:55:13 Rakshasa: agreed Raster's keyboard is definatly the best one out there atm :) Sep 04 16:56:12 What's different about it? I'm getting along very well with the qtopia keyboard lately, at least for non-shell stuff.. Sep 04 16:57:19 johnsu01: it is similar to the qtopia one but is not as annoying and is a lot nicer to use Sep 04 16:58:16 does anyone know if nfs mounts are supported ? Sep 04 16:58:47 hipitihop: try mounting something Sep 04 16:59:00 Tig|: Any specific examples of being less annoying? Sep 04 16:59:50 yes the predictive text stuff does not get in the way as such, you can hide it and bring it back easily and switch between layouts quickly and cleanly as well as different dictionarys Sep 04 17:00:31 it was really noticeable when I tried the 2008.08 image after the FSO one Sep 04 17:02:59 Can i boot Qutopia from microSD ? Sep 04 17:03:46 Qtopia Sep 04 17:03:52 and yes you can Sep 04 17:03:59 Kagee: yep iirc, search for dual booting in the wiki Sep 04 17:04:28 hey, a little question: besides opkg update/upgrade, is there anything else you need to do for the GPS fix? I updated yesterday, and just a few minutes ago, and still, it takes about 30 to 45 minutes for me to get a first fix =\ Sep 04 17:04:45 Kagee: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Option_2:_Dual-Booting_between_Qtopia_and_2007.2_.28Qtopia_boots_from_MicroSD_card.29 Sep 04 17:04:49 So flashing my phone to 2008.8, and running Qtopia from a SD works. Sep 04 17:05:00 anyone know if there have been any security changes in 2008.8-updated recently ? I'm trying to ssh in over the wifii connection and connection is being refused Sep 04 17:05:42 johnsu01: ah yes the other big thing with it that you can put it in a terminal keyboard map where you can see the whole keyboard and when you click on a button it bypasses all the predictive bollocks and puts the key you pressed on the screen :) Sep 04 17:06:03 which is a godsend when you are using a bluetooth keyboard.... Sep 04 17:06:30 that would be handy, using the terminal is painful right now Sep 04 17:06:42 Should i update my bootloader too? Sep 04 17:07:01 Kagee: I would not bother, I am still on the one that came with my Freerunner Sep 04 17:07:18 unless it suggests it in the dual boot info Sep 04 17:11:09 no. im'm only updattin to 2008.8 today Sep 04 17:16:48 hipitihop: what error does it give exactly? Sep 04 17:19:54 yamitenshi, ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.47 port 22: Connection refused Sep 04 17:20:43 hipitihop: looks like dropbear isn't running then Sep 04 17:21:10 I wonder if dash realizes they are wasting 30 MB on their device Sep 04 17:22:17 yamitenshi, well I was connected via usb0 & ssh'ed in. I did "ifup eth0" and "ifdown usb0" that should not have killed dropbear afaik Sep 04 17:22:22 Sargun_Screen: gotten deeper into teh device? Sep 04 17:22:31 yes Sep 04 17:22:43 ShellEvil: ~= speedevil Sep 04 17:22:49 How much are these things Sep 04 17:22:50 = Sep 04 17:22:55 ok Sep 04 17:23:00 300 I think Sep 04 17:23:06 Well - the computer is in a different room. Sep 04 17:23:10 My employer bought mine Sep 04 17:23:41 ... Sep 04 17:23:41 hey Sep 04 17:23:48 Does anyone have any innate idea of how the "USB Networking" works? Sep 04 17:23:56 FxChiP: sort-of Sep 04 17:24:04 [Bug] #1960: On screen keyboard does not work in landscape mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1960 ) Sep 04 17:24:11 FxChiP: you have a driver on the FR that pretyends to be an ethernet card. Sep 04 17:24:22 hmm. Sep 04 17:24:24 FxChiP: the PC uses it like it would any USB ethernet card Sep 04 17:24:33 SpeedEvil: they are neat devices Sep 04 17:24:35 oh fuck Sep 04 17:24:36 expensive Sep 04 17:24:38 does it tether that way? Sep 04 17:24:47 FxChiP: what are you really asking? Sep 04 17:25:06 I went off on a tangent about tethering; do you know how the... oh, it uses it like a USB ethernet card, nevermind Sep 04 17:25:06 In order to shell them you can uboot Sep 04 17:25:12 er Sep 04 17:25:17 get into uboot Sep 04 17:25:19 Because I remember hearing that OpenMoko's dfu-util works somewhat on the iPhone as well Sep 04 17:25:21 dfu upload Sep 04 17:25:24 I was wondering just how much Apple ganked from OM Sep 04 17:25:32 FxChiP: it does Sep 04 17:25:34 FxChiP: likely none. Sep 04 17:25:36 More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device Sep 04 17:25:42 DFU is a standard Sep 04 17:25:45 err Sep 04 17:25:49 When i try to flash :-? Sep 04 17:25:49 ShellEvil, probably not, seeing that FR emulates a card Sep 04 17:25:52 kind of a standard Sep 04 17:26:06 Rather than just getting sent straight TCP packets Sep 04 17:26:45 (The iPhone uses TCP over USB XD) Sep 04 17:27:14 You can't send straight USB over TCP Sep 04 17:27:19 as there isn't a standard for it Sep 04 17:27:27 TCP over USB Sep 04 17:27:33 not USB over TCP Sep 04 17:27:33 :D Sep 04 17:27:51 hipitihop: you could always check, just run /etc/init.d/dropbear start Sep 04 17:27:51 err - yes.That. Sep 04 17:28:05 and apparently you can use TCP over USB, because the iPhone does Sep 04 17:28:11 It's not standard, that's not stopping them ;D Sep 04 17:28:13 :D* Sep 04 17:28:20 yamitenshi, will try standby... Sep 04 17:28:21 It bridges the destination port onto the device's TCP stack or something Sep 04 17:28:54 huh Sep 04 17:29:58 Although now that you mention that the FR emulates an ethernet card -- can it be used for anything other than just connecting to the phone? Sep 04 17:30:56 What can ethernet be used for' Sep 04 17:31:04 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r0ec56ecd246f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Assassin] bump up the version of assassin to 233 Sep 04 17:31:08 That's a better question Sep 04 17:32:54 Hello Sarguns Sep 04 17:33:17 Joerg, are you around? Sep 04 17:34:03 [Bug] #1961: Distortion when switching to/from landscape mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1961 ) Sep 04 17:34:15 Dave: what's up? Sep 04 17:34:35 hello mes Sep 04 17:37:39 can anyone tell me if dropbear or som other setting has been changed on latest 2008.8-updated as I get connection refused when I try to ssh Sep 04 17:38:27 Hey Joerg, I just had a thought on my way back, and wanted to pass it by you briefly Sep 04 17:39:04 If the device had an integrated gyro, could it conveivably be used as a compass, as well? Sep 04 17:44:54 joerg? Sep 04 17:46:02 Dave: nope, all gyros (except RLG) have drift, and north will deviate over time Sep 04 17:46:09 Even RLG Sep 04 17:46:35 integrated gyros drift under a degree a min, for good ones. Sep 04 17:48:54 Joerg, damn, oh well, it was a thought anyway :) Sep 04 17:49:03 [Bug] #1962: PV in om.dev should be higher then asu.stable ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1962 ) Sep 04 17:49:18 since currently there is no way to tell direction, except by gps (non-local means). Sep 04 17:57:48 Flashing the Neo Freerunner says i should boot into NAND, but the dfu-util says NOR Sep 04 17:57:52 what is correct? Sep 04 17:59:11 boot into NOR Sep 04 17:59:15 not nan Sep 04 17:59:23 fix that page yo. Sep 04 18:02:13 hmm - it's the other way around, dfu-util says NAND Sep 04 18:06:10 NOR! Sep 04 18:06:26 Then the dfu-util-wikipage is wrong Sep 04 18:06:37 Kagee: either will work, although they will have different bugs (depending on which versions of u-boot you have there) Sep 04 18:07:23 I have what came with my phone. (got it today) I understood that i didn't need to update u-boot Sep 04 18:07:29 How is it wrong? Sep 04 18:08:19 wrong as in "does not say the same as anoter, and does not explain why" Sep 04 18:08:30 Kagee: there are bugs in the u-boot version that shipped with the phone. There's at least 1 different bug in the newest u-boot (doesn't interact properly with the wall charger when the battery is low). Sep 04 18:09:07 The main reason you might want to update u-boot is if you want to boot from the SD-card, as the factory version can't load the kernel from an ext2/3 partition Sep 04 18:10:10 if you boot into uboot, get console, and then say nep1973 charger off Sep 04 18:10:13 it works Sep 04 18:11:39 You talk to your console? :) Sep 04 18:17:22 woah, it's Dave1! Sep 04 18:17:24 hmm on the FSO wifi is controlled by DBUS isn't it Sep 04 18:17:48 Indeed. Sep 04 18:17:49 lawks it is the famous director mattl! Sep 04 18:18:01 heh Sep 04 18:18:09 producer, dahling, producer ;) Sep 04 18:18:25 ah, my mistake :) Sep 04 18:18:42 you liked the film then? Sep 04 18:18:50 some of it..... Sep 04 18:19:17 feedback to campaigns@fsf.org are very welcome :) Sep 04 18:19:25 the GNU team really do need some new artwork :P Sep 04 18:19:42 I thought you were GNU not FSF... Sep 04 18:21:31 Tig|: I'm both. I was just GNU, but now I work for the FSF. Sep 04 18:21:50 But yeah, more artwork is needed. Sep 04 18:21:55 is there a simple way to browse the FSO DBUS API to find the wifi power dbus proxy element? Sep 04 18:22:40 Producer? Sep 04 18:22:41 Whoa Sep 04 18:22:48 Holy moly, he uses IRC Sep 04 18:22:49 :D Sep 04 18:22:51 That's awesome Sep 04 18:23:58 does FSO have any sort of (command line or otherwise) mp3 player? Sep 04 18:25:24 donomo: I would have a look through the bearstech repo looking for the usual subjects :) alas opkg does not as far as I know have a version of apt-cache search but I would love to be corrected :) Sep 04 18:26:35 any suggestions for a nice e-mail client? Sep 04 18:28:56 Tig|: thx. im fixing up /etc/opkg files to use shr.bearstech.com Sep 04 18:29:27 how do i enter a pin using a qwerty-only keyboard?? Sep 04 18:29:37 Kagee: read the topic Sep 04 18:29:53 Kagee: Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard Sep 04 18:30:27 :) Sep 04 18:30:53 what about backspace? Sep 04 18:31:22 Backspaces? Films? you people are nuts :p Sep 04 18:31:40 hi there somebody know how to make ext2 filesystem on micro sd card in FR? have tried: mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Sep 04 18:31:52 failing with: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! Sep 04 18:32:22 Kagee: just drag your finger right to left Sep 04 18:32:45 across the keyboard :) Sep 04 18:34:40 2008.8 was "blacker" that i would have thought Sep 04 18:35:28 heh Sep 04 18:37:01 which buildhost should i use for upgrading to 2008.8? (re: topic) Sep 04 18:38:27 gator: are you using a reasonably new image or the one out of the factory? Sep 04 18:39:51 timo2k: umount it first Sep 04 18:39:58 Hi. When trying to run remoko, I get this error message: Sep 04 18:40:09 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "IsRunning" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Service" doesn't exist Sep 04 18:40:13 How do I get the wrench in om2008.8 back? Sep 04 18:40:25 nomeata: you trying to run it on 2007.2? Sep 04 18:40:30 Zorkman: no, Debian. Sep 04 18:40:40 Zorkman: any ideas what’s wrong? Sep 04 18:40:49 Tig|: did an upgrade last month Sep 04 18:40:56 nomeata: nope, I had the same error *I think* on 2007.2 Sep 04 18:41:07 Hi, Im using Neo Freerunner and Om2008.8, but my headphones wont work Sep 04 18:41:12 They dont output any sound, its only the built-in speakers that work Sep 04 18:41:13 Tig|: early august, that is Sep 04 18:41:29 Zorkman: and you didn’t get it to work? Sep 04 18:42:05 gator: have a quick look in /etc/opkg/ (the files in there and make sure they are not referencing buildhost) I think they should now be pointing at the feeds on download.openmoko.com but I am not using 2008 atm, there might be something in the wiki about it Sep 04 18:42:09 Zorkman: unmount is failing too with: umount: /media/card: device is busy , umount -l works but mkfs is complaining with the above error Sep 04 18:42:45 nomeata: the only usb device I have is a ps3 and I learned that remoko doesn't work with that (at the moment) so i didn't bother trying to get it to work on 2007.2 Sep 04 18:42:59 timo2k: jsut reboot the device Sep 04 18:43:06 afterwards it will probably work just fine Sep 04 18:43:14 okay tnx Sep 04 18:44:45 Hi, Im using Neo Freerunner and Om2008.8, but my headphones wont work, neither when plugging in before booting nor after boot process Sep 04 18:45:19 someone type an asterisk i can copy, please O_o Sep 04 18:45:25 * Sep 04 18:45:25 * Sep 04 18:45:31 ty Sep 04 18:45:55 *********** Sep 04 18:45:55 :D Sep 04 18:46:07 Sep 04 18:46:39 llo kd8ikt, how's the server behaving :) Sep 04 18:46:40 or i mean i entered in my password and irssi changed it to stars (go ahead try it) Sep 04 18:47:02 lol Sep 04 18:47:05 its till up if thats what you mean Sep 04 18:47:22 14:47:22 up 12 days, 23:13, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.01 Sep 04 18:47:37 Hi, Im using Neo Freerunner and Om2008.8, but my headphones wont work Sep 04 18:47:44 neither when plugging in before booting nor after boot process Sep 04 18:47:53 in alsamixer i cant enable them Sep 04 18:47:58 i can see that baba Sep 04 18:48:24 mplayer will play an mp3 out the Neo speaker even with a headset plugged in. how do i get the audio to go out the headset? Sep 04 18:48:27 have you tried manually loading the alsa state Sep 04 18:48:28 after reboot still can't umount :( Sep 04 18:49:19 alsactl -restore /var/lib/openmoko/alsastates/or/somesuch/location Sep 04 18:50:32 now all the ipks in rabenfrost.net/celtune/armv4t should be in the packages file, if somebody still finds some ipk in that dir which are missing in the packages file, just tell me i will add them Sep 04 18:51:44 how do i see which build i am running, btw? Sep 04 18:53:25 nice work celtune! Sep 04 18:53:37 tx :) Sep 04 18:53:49 Where can i find some Qutopie-screenshots? Sep 04 19:00:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3f4b904981ee 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] Add tag group::programming to edje-utils (#1716) Sep 04 19:14:25 Hi. I know that this question has been asked an infinite numbre of times, but what is the image currently worked on ? OM2008.08 on Openmoko's side and FSO,SHR on Community's side (+ Debian, Qtopia outside), right ? Sep 04 19:15:20 FSO and 08 are IIRC part of openmoko effort Sep 04 19:18:13 two different efforts then ? Sep 04 19:18:26 and SHR is the attempt to join the best of both ? Sep 04 19:20:08 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180285661027&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008 Sep 04 19:31:42 anyone ordered the freerunner from truebox? Sep 04 19:31:53 is there an opkg update-feed for qtopia? Sep 04 19:34:23 openmoko: 03werner * r4628 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/gta02-spi/ (. rework.fig rework.pdf verify.sh): Sep 04 19:34:23 openmoko: GTA02 rework to connect WLAN to both SPI and SDIO. Sep 04 19:34:23 openmoko: verify.sh verifies the connections. Sep 04 19:37:58 i cannot download the rootfs (jffs2) from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ could some pls check n see if it works on your end .. thanks Sep 04 19:38:52 lloyd_fedora: it's downloadable here Sep 04 19:39:37 snp: thanks .. it downloads only like 300kb here .. strange .. maybe ill try later Sep 04 19:40:03 are you downloading directly to phone or pc? Sep 04 19:40:19 snp: eee :) Sep 04 19:40:35 ok Sep 04 20:01:05 hm. running 2008.8, and sometimes my SIM doesn't register on the first try, I need to tell it to try again Sep 04 20:01:10 how would I do that? Sep 04 20:06:05 cjb u have at&t? Sep 04 20:07:20 if the contacts of the sim are offset to 1 side so far that the center contact might be shorting to the tab on the sin holder brkt> Sep 04 20:07:35 SIM* Sep 04 20:08:10 mine was and it would not connect about 1/2 of the time Sep 04 20:09:31 i went to at&t an they traded sims an i git 1 that had contacts nearly centered an it worked flawlessly Sep 04 20:12:17 note: you could use isolation tape to prevend short circuting if you dont want to change sim Sep 04 20:12:52 (that wont hurt your moko neither sim card) Sep 04 20:13:19 is it possible to add a hard drive to the FIC board in an openmoko? Sep 04 20:14:06 via usb Sep 04 20:16:32 If i select "speakerphone" under a conversation in Qtopia, i hear some awful sounds :-S Sep 04 20:18:27 would be the same under any gui too Sep 04 20:19:07 itsbecause the speakers are too close to the mic Sep 04 20:20:28 didn't they try that before they shipped :S Sep 04 20:20:32 it sounds like a modem ? Sep 04 20:22:16 I'm not sure how you could really set up a speakerphone so you don't get lots of the speaker sound feeding back through the mic Sep 04 20:22:24 You need sw to cancel it out Sep 04 20:22:29 no ssh server at the qutopia image? Sep 04 20:23:09 Well, I guess you could make the mic cut out any time sound is coming through the speaker, and I've seen speakerphones like that, but it sucks, and I sure wouldn't do that in hardware Sep 04 20:23:25 A "listen-only" speakerphone mode (mic muted) would be useful for some scenarios, like listening to on-hold music while you're waiting to get through to a tech-support line Sep 04 20:28:02 mmontour: agreed... I would think that would be trivial to implement, too Sep 04 20:28:11 seem like dfu-util corrupts stuff when uploading :( is it like that for everyone? Sep 04 20:28:24 I think one of the old 2007.2 state files already did that Sep 04 20:28:26 just store off the old alsa settings & change the mic level to 0, then revert when unmute is pressed Sep 04 20:28:59 Amorphous: Isn't that a known bug? Sep 04 20:30:23 Amorphous: yes, known issue. #676 and some newer one whose number I don't remember Sep 04 20:30:58 wurp2|working, yea now found a bug for that.... just wondering why nobody seemed to work on it... Sep 04 20:31:15 i can reproduce #1843 Sep 04 20:34:06 doh! i missed the note about #676 on wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup Sep 04 20:36:46 are there images for SHR floating around, or does it need to be compiled from scratch atm? Sep 04 20:39:45 hm somehow my freerunner (with 2007.2) doesn't remember the time, after X days it could easily be 15 minutes before the actual time Sep 04 20:40:18 bah, my 2008.8 isn't registering with GSM Sep 04 20:40:40 slaxxin: yeah, AT&T Sep 04 20:41:02 slaxxin: I tried that too but I couldn't work out the offset, each one they gave me was the same Sep 04 20:41:07 slaxxin: do you happen to have photos? Sep 04 20:41:15 of good and bad SIMs Sep 04 20:41:19 on the wiki Sep 04 20:41:31 is your sim # 71234G Sep 04 20:41:38 yes, think so Sep 04 20:41:51 u need a 71234O Sep 04 20:42:05 they didn't have any of those Sep 04 20:42:10 an i will work Sep 04 20:42:24 cjb: you asked them specifically? Sep 04 20:42:29 at the store? Sep 04 20:42:36 I asked them to show me their stack of SIMs at the store, and they did Sep 04 20:42:43 and there was 71234G and 71234D Sep 04 20:42:47 and both failed in the same way Sep 04 20:42:50 any idea bout the clock issue then? :> Sep 04 20:43:08 all they had was O's at the springdale ar store Sep 04 20:43:11 cjb: is there another store in your area? Sep 04 20:43:12 isn't ther a "clock signal" in GSM (for sync'ing the clock) ? Sep 04 20:43:19 UndrWater: yeah, think so Sep 04 20:43:50 check the other stores... Sep 04 20:44:07 i had to go to 2 before i found a good SIM Sep 04 20:44:11 Is there any easy, known method of importing PB/SMS 2007.02->2008.08? I'd like to migrate as I heard 2008.08 is finally more stable. Sep 04 20:44:22 uzytkownik: Sep 04 20:44:38 I don't find 2008.08 particularily useable Sep 04 20:44:48 just get 1 that the contacts look more centered on the paper of the sim Sep 04 20:45:10 stable for sure, but not really useable Sep 04 20:45:38 OdyX: more stable than say...2 weeks ago? Sep 04 20:46:06 UndrWater: I had no FR 2 weeks ago ;) Sep 04 20:47:44 mattbnz: SHR is still under construction, so an image would just look like a 2007.2 image with no usable dialer, and with the fso infrastructure installed but no end user app to make any use of it Sep 04 20:53:00 wurp2|working: ack, compiling now, will see what I end up with :) Sep 04 20:57:40 can someone give me gateway and subnet mask from a FR with a 200X distrib ? Sep 04 20:59:39 Kagee: depends on your host system Sep 04 20:59:58 gateway is probably the usb0 address of your host computer Sep 04 21:00:13 Kagee: forget what I said... Sep 04 21:00:23 gateway is 192.168.0.200 Sep 04 21:00:30 and subnet is 255.255.255.0 Sep 04 21:02:28 cjb I went through that with AT&T and SIMs, and they were going to mail me one that worked, and then another store near me had 71234O Sep 04 21:03:03 Infoport: ah, interesting Sep 04 21:03:26 can anyone explain what format navit wants for navit center= in the navit.xml file? Sep 04 21:04:21 cjb or if you are *really* desperate you can buy a SIM from ebay not yet set that is O. I bought 2 for 1.99 each, then got it free from another AT&T store Sep 04 21:04:44 cjb then a store could turn it on Sep 04 21:05:04 interesting, ok Sep 04 21:06:59 cjb a reseller may try to charge you, but the official A&T&-only stores won't, and I think they are more likely to have newer chips Sep 04 21:07:09 yeah Sep 04 21:07:25 with FSO it's not too bad, I just needed to click on the dialer more than once sometimes before it registered Sep 04 21:07:36 with 2008.8 there's no workaround that I know of, though Sep 04 21:07:45 relaunching the Dialer doesn't seem to help Sep 04 21:09:11 cjb that sounds like what my phone did under OM2007. AT&T suggested I go to a bigger official store that handles the iPhone, I got the G SIM, then tried again after calling them. I think they saw it get fixed that afternoon and canceled maling one (which was also free) Sep 04 21:09:20 ah Sep 04 21:09:34 ok I'll go by and ask them to mail me one if they don't have it Sep 04 21:10:27 cjb or call customer service-- they were the ones who were going to mail it (then you call up and they activate it, so the other still works partially in the meantime) Sep 04 21:10:35 ok Sep 04 21:10:37 thanks! Sep 04 21:10:58 and I just need to add for a 71234O? Sep 04 21:11:19 yes Sep 04 21:11:53 cjb yeah and explain that the SIM is offcenter and touches a tab-- they have probably heard that and it shows it is their fault (not some "weird phone") Sep 04 21:12:01 ok Sep 04 21:18:12 I have a routing problem for usb0 in 2008.8, fixed by "ip r add via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0" -- how do I make this persist over network restarts? Sep 04 21:20:28 what is the pattern to change that to an iptable rule? Sep 04 21:22:42 Infoport, iptables rule + routing? why? Sep 04 21:24:01 darkjames the "ip r add via" rule above fixes my routing using resolvconf in 2008.8 but goes away after a networking restart Sep 04 21:24:59 Infoport, still don't know why you want to use iptables. I think route rules can be added in /etc/network/interfaces however i'm not debian user, so don't know :) Sep 04 21:25:56 darkjames in interfaces under usb0? I'll try it there. I had a gateway line, but the instructions said to remove it, and uncommenting didnt help Sep 04 21:26:10 Infoport, man 5 interfaces can help. Sep 04 21:26:42 you can add post-up script, which will add route rule. Sep 04 21:30:58 anyone running navit successfully? Sep 04 21:31:44 Can i change the skin / colours on 2008.8 ? Sep 04 21:35:24 Kagee: e part uses edje files i believe, gtk part uses gtkrc2.0, qtopia...no idea ;) Sep 04 21:35:39 it's too black :-S Sep 04 21:36:01 there's a tango theme floating around...i think i have a link Sep 04 21:36:16 tango sounds nice Sep 04 21:36:17 http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ Sep 04 21:36:22 darkjames I dont think it is understanding it-- I restarted networking to check and it is hung in "reconfiguring" Sep 04 21:37:38 Infoport, you have +x on that script? Sep 04 21:38:47 darkjames oh, I tried to put it in as a single command after post-up Sep 04 21:42:30 Infoport, damn, right. Sep 04 21:44:44 darkjames ok have +x, networking restart worked, but ip r didnt show the rule until I entered at cmd line Sep 04 21:45:41 by the way, you want to add default route rule, so 'gateway' doesn't work? ;/ Sep 04 21:47:21 darkjames the wiki said to remove for resolvconf, and uncommenting didnt work, although my prev gateway was the router ip Sep 04 21:49:29 darkjames damn I think that was it...it wasnt working with router ip, but back to .0.200 seems to do it (which didnt work before all the resolvconf setup) Sep 04 21:51:41 darkjames not sure why the wiki said to remove the network and gateway lines (or why the script doesnt run the ip r add via command, even added #!/bin/bash at top to see if it helped)) Sep 04 21:52:11 UndrWater: Is the screenshot http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/screenshots/illume_light_home.png from a debian installation? Sep 04 21:52:21 I see some apps on there that I didn't know were available for FR Sep 04 21:53:59 wurp2|working: most of apps are availble for fr, just not for angstrom builds -__-; Sep 04 21:54:11 darkjames thanks! I'm never sure what to put-- the FR is a moving target (my router ip WORKED BEFORE as gateway) Sep 04 21:55:04 wurp2|working: dunno...i changed my 2008 with those files and it looked like that Sep 04 21:55:15 torindel: Most of which apps? Sep 04 21:55:24 UndrWater: OK, so the screenshot is from a 2008 build Sep 04 21:56:14 wurp2|working: the one's that doesnt compile with openembedded -_- Sep 04 21:56:34 or there arent bb files for them Sep 04 21:56:58 torindel: I'm trying to get you to narrow down the list of apps that are available for the FR... the way you phrased it, most every app in the world is available for FR Sep 04 21:57:10 So I'm trying to find out do you mean most debian apps, or what Sep 04 21:57:44 gentoo/debian apps Sep 04 21:58:00 linux stuff in general Sep 04 21:58:27 torindel: ok, thanks. Does the Repositories page on the wiki show the places to get those apps? Or do you just mean that it is possible to cross-compile them if I build the bb files Sep 04 21:58:41 because if that's what you mean, I know that and it isn't helpful :-) Sep 04 21:59:55 yeah where can I find more ipk files for 2008.8? I was just getting addicted to the games in 2007 Sep 04 22:00:10 wurp2|working: there are problems with crosscompiling things, so just writing bb file for something might be not sufficent Sep 04 22:00:32 torindel: Yeah, I know, that's why I was asking where I could find the ipks :-) Sep 04 22:00:37 where as you can find such stuff for fr on other distros Sep 04 22:06:41 ok so 2008.8 is working again, guess I'll see what Qtopia has while I was on OM2007 Sep 04 22:07:47 Infoport: working again? Sep 04 22:08:29 torindel: I still haven't seen you tell us where to find any of those ipks Sep 04 22:08:56 wurp2|working: well gentoo doesnt use ipks Sep 04 22:09:22 neither debian Sep 04 22:13:19 wurp! Sep 04 22:13:33 duh Sep 04 22:13:36 debian uses .debs Sep 04 22:13:43 and gentoo uses .rices ;p Sep 04 22:13:49 STFU Sep 04 22:13:50 n00b Sep 04 22:13:53 :DD Sep 04 22:13:57 Howdy Mister Virus Sep 04 22:14:01 What's new with you, today? Sep 04 22:14:09 n00b .. you make me sick Sep 04 22:14:25 Thanks virusbot. Sep 04 22:14:36 lol Sep 04 22:14:45 <-ricer Sep 04 22:14:54 Good Sep 04 22:15:23 You must first let out the evil within you before you may proceed on the path to enlightenment ;) Sep 04 22:16:33 I'm getting connection refused when i try to connet to my FR Sep 04 22:16:57 Kagee: trough what? Sep 04 22:17:00 and where lies the path of enlightenment? e17? Sep 04 22:17:17 Well, clearly not the book of Origin :p Sep 04 22:17:34 2008.8, usb, worked before. flashed qt to 2008.8, rebootet and then no ssh Sep 04 22:18:01 so trough usb again ? are you sure you can ping it ? Sep 04 22:18:14 ssh works for me trough usb but nothing else Sep 04 22:18:16 Are you doing naughty things to your usb? Sep 04 22:18:26 ping works Sep 04 22:18:29 Kagee: unplug and replug usb cable? Sep 04 22:18:32 Monoke, trough? do you mean THROUGH? Sep 04 22:19:26 pardon me, english is far from my native :/ Sep 04 22:19:36 Oh, okay Sep 04 22:19:41 You're still not forgiven :) Sep 04 22:20:01 * Mononoke goes and dies on cross Sep 04 22:20:12 aww Sep 04 22:20:13 nope. connection refused Sep 04 22:20:15 not like that Sep 04 22:20:24 Kagee: but you can ping it ? Sep 04 22:20:29 You would deny us the privilege of stoning you to death with freerunner? :D Sep 04 22:20:29 yeah Sep 04 22:20:38 a usb trough is a truly ingenious invention Sep 04 22:20:46 Kagee: do you have terminal on moko ? restart dropbear Sep 04 22:21:11 trough? Sep 04 22:21:13 ~_~ Sep 04 22:21:14 STOP DOING THAT! Sep 04 22:21:27 apt shush Sep 04 22:21:28 Fine, I'll shut up. Sep 04 22:21:30 :) Sep 04 22:21:31 i cant connect to it, i.e. no network over usb set up at the phone, and no wlan, so i have no terminal Sep 04 22:21:32 there there apt, dave didnt mean to upset you Sep 04 22:21:38 sicu -_- Sep 04 22:21:44 Dave: you mean "freerunning" something in style of stoning ? Sep 04 22:21:45 du er... Sep 04 22:21:48 ... Sep 04 22:22:09 Dave: Du er hva? Sep 04 22:22:13 hi all Sep 04 22:22:25 it was sencored :p Sep 04 22:22:29 kagee :o Sep 04 22:22:50 er du norsk ogsÃ¥? Sep 04 22:23:01 jaja Sep 04 22:23:03 :D Sep 04 22:23:11 after an opkg update && upgrade, all my kernel modules were gone Sep 04 22:23:12 du er kul :D Sep 04 22:23:20 skjera? Sep 04 22:23:25 Dave: hopp innom #openmoko-no Sep 04 22:23:31 aaaaaaaah :D Sep 04 22:24:08 /lib/modules/blah-blah was almost empty, except for ext2 module Sep 04 22:24:42 so I lost sound, and who knows which else Sep 04 22:24:53 i cant restart anything Sep 04 22:25:13 torindel: I'm confused. You said most apps from debian & gentoo were available for the FR. I'm asking you where I can get them from. Sep 04 22:25:25 i've installed again kernel-module-snd-* and after a reboot you can see modules loaded Sep 04 22:25:29 but still no sound Sep 04 22:25:33 wurp2|working: packages.debian.org Sep 04 22:26:08 mmaestri: If I got it right all sound goes trough pulseaudio so check pulseaudio Sep 04 22:26:28 UndrWater sorry I was away. yeah I had borked all my boots at once somehow, got new 2008.8 back up now Sep 04 22:27:01 but when I try to run alsamixer, it errors with wave_open_sound > Pa_OpenStream : err=-9996 (Invalid device) Sep 04 22:27:06 pulseaudio ~_~ Sep 04 22:27:16 wurp2|working: on gentoo you can use emerge even if there are no packages for it Sep 04 22:27:17 nyu: packages.debian.org has FR ipks? Sep 04 22:27:32 torindel: Use emerge to build a package for FR? Sep 04 22:27:42 wurp2|working: no, it has debs for armel Sep 04 22:27:56 wurp2|working: which can be used if you install debian armel on fr Sep 04 22:27:58 caramel? Sep 04 22:28:02 :D~ Sep 04 22:28:26 wurp2|working: yes if you have gentoo installed on fr Sep 04 22:28:32 mmaestri: OK, thanks, so the upshot is that I get all those packages if I install debian on my neo, which I knew Sep 04 22:28:50 It looked very much as if he was telling me I could get those packages on 2008.8 Sep 04 22:28:55 wurp2|working: so why do you ask? Sep 04 22:29:04 torindel: I didn't know anyone had gentoo installed on the fr Sep 04 22:29:18 nyu: See last comment to mmaestri Sep 04 22:29:19 * torindel haves Sep 04 22:29:31 gentoo on fr is cool Sep 04 22:29:35 * sicu has too Sep 04 22:30:05 I see the wiki page on gentoo now. Sep 04 22:30:07 Cool! Sep 04 22:30:46 wurp, no debian for you? :( Sep 04 22:30:54 wurp2|working: just keep in mind i'm still building packages for it ;] Sep 04 22:30:59 Dave: I just haven't installed it yet Sep 04 22:31:17 oh, okay :p Sep 04 22:31:21 you're free to go, then :P Sep 04 22:31:22 I probably won't until after MS3, unless I get another SD card to play with Sep 04 22:31:27 kthx Sep 04 22:31:30 haha Sep 04 22:32:08 about my tiny little question about sound and else...any comments? Sep 04 22:34:47 mmaestri: Sounds like time to reimage to me Sep 04 22:35:03 mmaestri: I don't trust opkg upgrade at this stage in the game Sep 04 22:35:50 Is the (default) p of the FR 200 or 202? Sep 04 22:36:25 *slightly confused at the moment* Sep 04 22:37:06 p=ip Sep 04 22:37:23 FR 202 Sep 04 22:37:27 gateway 200 Sep 04 22:37:39 gatway = desktop pc ? Sep 04 22:37:44 yup Sep 04 22:37:56 *yes Sep 04 22:38:19 and i setup usb0 on the gateway to 200, but connect to 202 with ssh etc. ? Sep 04 22:38:32 yes Sep 04 22:39:02 So why have i been trying to ssh root@192.168.0.200 for the last hours ;-( Sep 04 22:39:44 *stupid me* Sep 04 22:40:04 because you don't run ssh on your local PC ? Sep 04 22:40:57 no, ain't allowed ti runs any kind of servers on this educations network. Sep 04 22:41:51 Now i see the problem. I'm so tired i cant geek or write english. Sep 04 22:59:07 somehow my clock on my freerunner (2007.2) isn't really accurate, after a week for example it is 15 minutes behind real time Sep 04 23:05:20 Pjj: get ntpdate? ;] Sep 04 23:06:30 torindel, usually my neo isn't connected to the internet Sep 04 23:07:45 and 15minutes/week isnt that bad Sep 04 23:07:58 (its not good either tho) Sep 04 23:08:04 morning Sep 04 23:08:16 night. Sep 04 23:08:18 moin Sep 04 23:08:24 darkjames: night Sep 04 23:08:25 ;] Sep 04 23:22:19 A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. Sep 04 23:25:49 ? Sep 04 23:29:52 is /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card the microSD? Sep 04 23:30:06 yes Sep 04 23:30:19 hello Sep 04 23:30:31 how can I configure ssh for wifi Sep 04 23:30:45 i have ssh access to my mokophone via usb Sep 04 23:30:49 it's already configured Sep 04 23:30:53 ssh as root with no pass Sep 04 23:31:08 but before the last update i had also ssh access via wifi Sep 04 23:31:46 but now i get a "Connection refused" Sep 04 23:33:35 white_gecko: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a6b33a98de5d44db05a771bc1f5d4df532be216 dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default Sep 04 23:33:53 ah ok Sep 04 23:34:23 my phone you locked while i was installing illume-config :-| Sep 04 23:34:26 thankyou, so it is no error Sep 04 23:35:26 How do i hard reset Ã¥ FreeRunenr ?= Sep 04 23:35:42 hold the power button Sep 04 23:35:53 until it is off Sep 04 23:35:59 if this doesn't work remove all power sources Sep 04 23:36:06 batt and usb Sep 04 23:37:29 anyone have navit working? Sep 04 23:37:45 *now i cant get the battery compartment open* *good night* Sep 04 23:38:51 hm Sep 04 23:39:07 i've tried navit Sep 04 23:39:23 UndrWater: but i got an error Sep 04 23:39:40 because of i file it couldn't open Sep 04 23:40:07 Jozo: do you know how i add a second device? Sep 04 23:40:40 what is the separator in the /etc/default/dropbear fole for the ports to listen? Sep 04 23:41:57 Hrm Sep 04 23:41:59 Re: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery Sep 04 23:42:11 The iPhone's charger is a 5V output that takes a USB cable Sep 04 23:42:18 Could that possibly work? Sep 04 23:42:23 yes Sep 04 23:42:26 i think so Sep 04 23:43:15 i have tried the iPod charger to load my freerunner Sep 04 23:46:51 I like the FreeRunner, and sometimes wish I had one. Sep 04 23:47:05 But I wanna wait for GTA03 :) Sep 04 23:50:34 FxChiP: hm so it is yout decision, i bougt a FreeRunner and I don't rue it Sep 04 23:51:56 how long for gta03? who knows ;) Sep 04 23:52:17 GTA03 test boards have arrived at OM Sep 04 23:53:21 It's not necessarily something to be rued Sep 04 23:53:26 It just doesn't have a camera. Or EDGE> Sep 04 23:53:28 EDGE.* Sep 04 23:53:45 So internet performance without wifi is slower than shit, or so I've heard Sep 04 23:54:23 Who needs a built-in limited resolution camera, when you can just plug in what ever resolution USB camera you want? Sep 04 23:54:50 johncylee: sane people Sep 04 23:54:53 That may be true, but it requires that that camera have a driver first, too ;) Sep 04 23:54:53 gay: Sep 04 23:55:15 And EDGE probably suffers from the same closed design that 3G does. Sep 04 23:55:27 And USB cameras are almost all requiring USV2 for the high performance ones, due to internal reasons. Sep 04 23:55:29 FyChiP: in ther latest kernel are drivers for uvc camera Sep 04 23:55:51 UVC cameras pretty much all will degrade to _much_ smaller images - even for stills - on USB1 Sep 04 23:56:14 As they don't have internal storage, but rely on streaming the image as it's captured out to USB Sep 04 23:56:26 ouch Sep 04 23:57:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera Sep 04 23:57:12 lists many uses that don't require more than VGA. Sep 04 23:58:14 heya Sep 04 23:58:21 Hi. Sep 04 23:58:40 * ShellEvil ponders a collaborative price/item database run off UPC barcodes and GPS. Sep 04 23:58:41 I'm stuck with a question from a user on the support mailing list. Sep 04 23:58:59 Hiya Mike. I've been following your escapades for two years now. Sep 04 23:59:51 * ShellEvil cues the drumroll. Sep 05 00:00:04 using dfu-util, user gets "Starting download: [dfu_download error -71" Sep 05 00:00:28 what's weird is that the user had been using dfu-util for awhile, and it worked fine. what could have changed? Sep 05 00:00:58 hey johngay. 2 years - is that how long i've been involved in om? Sep 05 00:01:03 cool, I have ssh via wifi again :-) Sep 05 00:01:39 ShellEvil: drumroll usually comes before a punch line. i'm waiting for some horrible pun on UPC and GPS... Sep 05 00:02:18 mickey|bbl: not really Sep 05 00:02:24 michae: Sep 05 00:02:48 All I was thinking was a 'point at item in shop', and it shows which local shops have it cheaper. Sep 05 00:03:37 As to teh DFU. Have they unplugged all other DFU devices, and plugged it into a port not through a hub? Sep 05 00:03:51 Some reports have that working. Sep 05 00:03:52 ShellEvil: i've heard that concept before. doesn't some phone have it? some phones can use the camera to read UPC (i'm told - i certainly don't own one that fine) Sep 05 00:04:34 MichaelShiloh: I presume so - it's not an especially magical concept - I haven't heard it collaborative and map added to the mix though. Sep 05 00:04:40 ShellEvil: good advice re unplugging other devices and removing hubs. we'll try. Sep 05 00:05:07 I hate magic 'fail' numbers. Sep 05 00:05:31 ShellEvil: here's a social twist: point at a product, and find out which of your friends has half a box left over that they don't plan to use :-) Sep 05 00:05:46 MichaelShiloh: true. Or collaborative shopping. Sep 05 00:06:04 MichaelShiloh: both share a shopping list, which ticks off automatically as eitehr of you pick up an item. Sep 05 00:06:13 ShellEvil: excellent idea! buy in bulk and share among your friends who use the same product! i like it Sep 05 00:07:24 I'm astonished that none of the supermarkets in my area has worked out that making delivery slots cheaper if someone near you has a delivery coming at the same time isn't a good idea. Sep 05 00:09:44 ShellEvil: that might involve too complicated math. Sep 05 00:10:14 johngay: so is it through om that you've been following me or elsewhere? Sep 05 00:10:50 stalking? :-O :) Sep 05 00:12:45 Just om. I was hoping to get a FreeRunner last year, but then it kept slipping, then steve started to update the community page, then I just monitored the mailing list. Sep 05 00:15:20 Has the user copied and pasted the error message? Sep 05 00:16:17 I'm looking through the sources, but I can't find [dfu_download error Sep 05 00:17:51 johngay: I believe the error code is C&P, but let's check w/ the user Sep 05 00:18:13 johngay: try grepping w/out the [ Sep 05 00:18:28 speedevil, do you eat the amount of five men? :) Sep 05 00:18:42 I'm not grepping, I'm reading (-; Sep 05 00:22:51 johngay: oh. well then i guess your eyes would do the fuzzy pattern matching. Sep 05 00:24:39 I think I see the line that might create that error. Don't know where the -711 is coming from though. Sep 05 00:26:02 johngay: probably uboot Sep 05 00:32:52 Well, I see printf("Starting download: ["); in sam7dfu.c Sep 05 00:34:25 Then I find fprintf( stderr, "%s error %d\n", __FUNCTION__, status ); in dfu.c in function name dfu_download(), but I don't know what status should be or how it can be getting -71. Sep 05 00:36:09 But I'm no great programmer. I just figured I look through the sources to see what I could see. Sep 05 00:38:24 if what torindel referred to, you may need to look at uboot source ;) Sep 05 00:39:54 After all, I use to be a sailor and I went to sea (-; Sep 05 00:47:50 Infoport: you can modify your /etc/interfaces Sep 05 00:48:15 can one help me with gpsd Sep 05 00:48:24 my navigation software can't find the gpsd daemon Sep 05 00:48:29 it works with locations Sep 05 00:49:27 but it does not for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Downloading_Maps_for_offline_use Sep 05 00:49:30 tangogps Sep 05 00:50:27 qknight: apparently "locations" does not use gpsd Sep 05 00:50:38 so you'll have to install gpsd for tangogps to work Sep 05 00:50:52 i have Sep 05 00:50:55 i even started it Sep 05 00:51:05 but netstat doesn't tell me any open port on port 2947 Sep 05 00:51:16 gpspipe -r 127.0.0.1 2947 Sep 05 00:51:20 is what i found?! Sep 05 00:51:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Basic_Setup Sep 05 00:51:28 but what is gpspipe?! Sep 05 00:52:29 what's in your /etc/default/gpsd Sep 05 00:53:08 oh no Sep 05 00:53:12 my gta crashed Sep 05 00:54:09 reboot Sep 05 01:06:14 after a reboot it was working Sep 05 01:06:16 don't know why Sep 05 01:06:24 but tangogps crashes quite often Sep 05 01:06:29 and the interface is borked here Sep 05 01:09:38 white_gecko, did you have problem to ssh via wifii ? Sep 05 01:09:51 i had Sep 05 01:09:55 but now it works Sep 05 01:10:30 hipitihop: [02:01] cool, I have ssh via wifi again Sep 05 01:11:35 white_gecko, what was the problem ? Sep 05 01:12:09 i had to add the IP if the wifi device (eth0) to /etc/default/dropbear Sep 05 01:12:21 now i have Sep 05 01:12:23 # cat /etc/default/dropbear Sep 05 01:12:24 DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list eth0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }'`:22 Sep 05 01:12:26 DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }'`:22 Sep 05 01:12:31 johngay: thanks for your help. i'll take a look at that. Sep 05 01:13:30 shouldn't I see some GPS data if I cat /dev/ttySAC1 Sep 05 01:13:37 white_gecko, ah sounds like what I'm looking for. I did an update and when I ifup my eth0 I coul dno lnger ssh in acroiss the wifi, connection would get refused Sep 05 01:13:57 yes same for me Sep 05 01:14:03 * hipitihop shakes his head at the keyboards poor ability to spell Sep 05 01:14:56 hipithop: it was because of this checkin http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a6b33a98de5d44db05a771bc1f5d4df532be216 Sep 05 01:15:04 better commit ;-) Sep 05 01:18:00 raynet: if you turn it on Sep 05 01:18:06 white_gecko, understand, considering there is no root password it probably is a reasonable change for security sake Sep 05 01:18:30 yes Sep 05 01:18:36 but i have set a root password Sep 05 01:19:23 What package has a man command for 2008.8? Sep 05 01:20:06 hipitihop: i use the wifi, because i think it is fastern than usb1.1 and the phone charges faster with the wall charger, than at my laptop Sep 05 01:21:19 jancona, check packages in http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ but I haven't tried 'man' Sep 05 01:22:18 white_gecko, sounds reasonable. After adding that to the dropbear does anything need restarting ? Sep 05 01:23:03 hipitihop: i don't know but i think the dropbear needs to be restarted Sep 05 01:23:15 hipitihop: Tnx, I'll check it out Sep 05 01:23:26 i've done it with "killall dropbear && dropbear" Sep 05 01:23:52 OK. Based on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 I can't currently make a back-up of my running system, right? Sep 05 01:29:38 I was hoping to try raster's image, but since it's jffs2 format and I don't have the tools to convert it to tar format, I was hoping to back-up my running 2007 system to SD Card, flash rasters image to my phone and try it out, having my back-up ready to boot from SD Card if needed. But looks like it'll take longer than I anticipated. So I'll wait 'till the weekend to try it. Sep 05 01:38:49 good night Sep 05 01:39:05 Nite all. Sep 05 01:56:56 nite Sep 05 01:57:39 GOODNIGHT **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 05 02:59:56 2008