**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 06 02:59:57 2008 Sep 06 03:12:58 Evenin'! Sep 06 03:14:58 Wazzup? ;D Sep 06 03:18:43 anyone have any hints on SDcard corruption? Sep 06 03:18:50 is there a fix yet? Sep 06 03:21:01 Anyone interested in purchasing a used Freerunner (850 version)? Sep 06 03:28:36 hi Sep 06 03:28:49 Anybody ever encountered the following dependancy problem: 'openmoko-today2', 'dbus-glib', 'dbus-glib-native', 'dbus-native', 'dbus-native-x11' ??? Sep 06 03:29:07 I did make openmoko-devel-image Sep 06 04:02:29 hello people Sep 06 04:02:39 wheee.. earthquake in sf Sep 06 04:03:20 if somebody would like to try duke nukem 3d on openmoko neo : http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/ Sep 06 04:03:33 it is a simple port and you can use the accelerometer to play :) Sep 06 04:04:07 anyone had any trouble with their micrsd getting corrupted? Sep 06 04:04:11 is there a fix for it? Sep 06 04:05:01 pjz, what kind of corrupted are you speaking about? File system corruptions? Sep 06 04:05:07 rafa: yeah Sep 06 04:05:49 rafa: any serious amount of i/o seems to cause it Sep 06 04:05:58 rafa: like downloading a 30mb file Sep 06 04:06:08 well, sometimes my system freezes... so I try to have read only mounted file systems. But yes, I use the microsd and sometimes I need to fsck from PC Sep 06 04:06:15 rafa: or even copying from /tmp Sep 06 04:06:22 fsck=fsck.ext2 (because I use ext2 on microsd) Sep 06 04:06:33 * pjz nods. me too Sep 06 04:07:40 well ext2 is stable and I don't think so that there are problems with i/o.. Does your system crash or freeze sometimes? if so, then that could be the problem Sep 06 04:09:51 so yay, 4.0 earthquake Sep 06 04:11:55 ieatlint: you felt it too? Sep 06 04:13:30 yep, i think everyone did Sep 06 04:13:45 rafa: nope, no problem crashing or freezing, also I can observe this corruption occurring Sep 06 04:13:53 http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc51207740.html Sep 06 04:14:19 ieatlint: neato! Sep 06 04:14:23 it wasn't on a high-risk fault (neither the san andrea or the hayward fault), centred in the east bay, contra costa county Sep 06 04:15:08 rafa: if I copy in a file via scp and write it to /tmp, it works fine. same file, copied straight to a microSD parition, gets corrupted (md5sums differ). even just trying to copy that same file from /tmp/ to th emicrosd card results in yet a different md5sum from the microSD version if read afterward Sep 06 04:15:32 pjz. how do you discover that there is a corruption?... you do a fsck sometimes manually? Sep 06 04:15:35 rafa: no rebootes or anything mixed into that sequnce that could cause badness due to unclean shutdown Sep 06 04:17:22 it's not the usb cable b/c copying to /tmp/ works fine Sep 06 04:17:34 (verified md5sums identical to the host pc) Sep 06 04:18:00 my guess is it's yet another case of 'blame glamo' Sep 06 04:22:38 anyone got a link to the fso dialy builds handy? Sep 06 04:42:11 * pjz tries a different kernel Sep 06 04:42:17 hopefuly a more up-to-date one Sep 06 04:43:33 anyone doing any app dev on fso ? Sep 06 04:49:16 woo, kernel upgrade to latest stable fixed it. fun. Sep 06 04:51:56 hello Sep 06 04:52:04 any body there? Sep 06 04:52:42 well could some one tell me how to change the dim time of the freerunner Sep 06 04:52:45 please Sep 06 04:57:32 dim time? Sep 06 04:57:42 oh, you mean blank time Sep 06 04:57:44 what distro? Sep 06 04:57:57 factory? Sep 06 04:57:58 qtopia? fso? 2008.8 ? 2007.2 ? Sep 06 04:58:21 debian Sep 06 05:07:02 gosh pjz u ran em off Sep 06 05:07:24 slaxxin: no...i think it was your fault Sep 06 05:07:41 im trying the debian install for the 4th time Sep 06 05:08:11 i'm trying to fix mine ;) Sep 06 05:08:23 surly it doesn't matter what size the sd card is Sep 06 05:08:52 mine stops at downloading the kernel Sep 06 05:08:57 of course not...28mb should be enough Sep 06 05:09:10 well Sep 06 05:10:01 28 megs would be very good Sep 06 05:10:28 the debian ir really big right? Sep 06 05:11:05 i believe it took a few hunnerd mb Sep 06 05:12:40 * pjz once fit debian onto a 32mb flash card Sep 06 05:12:43 back in the day Sep 06 05:15:18 anyone have a recommendation for a good wm / de for a tablet pc? Sep 06 05:17:14 find one that was dev'd for that purpose Sep 06 05:17:19 * cjb runs GNOME on his. *shrug* Sep 06 05:17:50 pjz: i was thinking matchbox Sep 06 05:18:14 my primary customer is giving me his old tablet Sep 06 05:18:53 UGeahfiouwajdpawdkjwaoidjwahoiudfhfcq3w8d0uWIU09AdsQS Sep 06 05:21:18 or just "stage kernel" Sep 06 05:22:29 to restart the debian installer what is the command to start at kernel? Sep 06 05:23:41 undrwater: what processor, how much ram? Sep 06 05:23:48 undrwater: matchbox is nice for teeny boxes Sep 06 05:24:14 undrwater: anything real though you can run X on Sep 06 05:24:59 pjz: i think p3 with about 512 Sep 06 05:26:00 i'm also thinking one of the *boxes Sep 06 05:32:56 http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/system/x10r4/doc/mann/xwm.n Sep 06 05:37:42 http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/wm2/ Sep 06 05:38:47 http://xwinman.org/wm2.php Sep 06 05:39:19 wm2 is ok Sep 06 05:39:49 slaxxin: appreciated Sep 06 05:39:53 you've used it? Sep 06 05:41:07 no its just very small Sep 06 05:41:16 i use xwm Sep 06 05:41:57 slackware likes fast an lean Sep 06 05:42:26 i need to find somebody intrested in a slackware port Sep 06 05:43:00 for the OM? Sep 06 05:47:03 How do i activate ssh over Wlan ? Sep 06 05:47:14 Kagee: it's already activated. ssh root@wlanip Sep 06 05:47:49 connection refused Sep 06 05:50:15 I think they deactivatet it a little time ago Sep 06 05:50:30 oh, I guess root without a password is a pretty bad idea Sep 06 05:50:53 no password? not even SIM PIN? Sep 06 05:51:08 can i run the phone as a reguler user? Sep 06 05:51:33 no ide how i can active it? Sep 06 05:55:08 Kagee: the ssh daemon is called dropbear. you need to configure it to listen to eth0 again if that's what you turned off Sep 06 05:55:28 i didn't turn it of Sep 06 05:55:47 Kagee: then it should be turned on and you should be able to ssh to it Sep 06 05:56:07 *sure ? Sep 06 05:57:49 Kagee: what are you running? what image? Sep 06 05:58:04 2008.8-Update (ASU) Sep 06 05:58:33 have you updated since flash? Sep 06 05:58:50 No, but i flashed it today Sep 06 05:59:01 and there were no updates Sep 06 05:59:25 current then Sep 06 05:59:45 Kagee: well, does eth0 have an IP address? Sep 06 05:59:48 dmesg shows? on pc Sep 06 05:59:56 Kagee: Look at /etc/default/dropbear or something Sep 06 06:01:17 pjz: Yes, and i can ping it Sep 06 06:02:07 unplug / replug? Sep 06 06:02:40 Kagee: and dropbear is running? Sep 06 06:03:10 I think so. The terminal is'nt were useful (awfoul keyboard) Sep 06 06:03:35 yep...till you install raster's Sep 06 06:03:57 But there it locked up - i'll continue when i get to a proper computer (non-win) Sep 06 06:04:42 you're using putty? Sep 06 06:05:05 I just tried it here because i want to try to install duke-nukem. Yeah, but i'll have usb cabels, linux, all i need in a couple of hours. Sep 06 06:32:53 hi, i just bought openmoko freerunner and a weekend to play with it before me :) i was just able to flash the om2008.8 image and install some apps, but nothing more,i have a few questions and would be gracefull for comments: Sep 06 06:32:53 1. from time to time there is a CPU hungry gpe process with no apparent reason (all the apps are shutdown) and openmoko of course is very slow to use? Sep 06 06:32:53 2. is there any way, that illume keyboard is able to start in 'terminal view'? Sep 06 06:32:53 3. now im reading the AUDIO from the wiki to understand it, but what happens to me is that (i use openmoko headphones with micro) that both the phone's speaker and the headphones play the sound. (i primarrilly bought headphones as a worke arround for the echo problem -- but while the phone speaker is on, the echo is also on) -- anyone having the same difficulties? Sep 06 06:32:56 4. something related to #3 -- the phones play in mono -- i just located the various alsa .state files -- can the problem #3 and #4 be related -- that the phone is unable to set the proper alsa state file? Sep 06 06:37:40 flipping open my laptop i'm debating whether or not to read the above lines Sep 06 06:38:01 i saw numerals and that kinda swayed me towards no Sep 06 06:38:31 hi all. i'm building the openmoko-browser2. This package requires webkit. I have two questions. 1) I can't find webkit on the svn for openmoko and 2) after I find it (and compile it), where do I put the compiled binaries on the host? (my toolchain is /usr/local/openmoko/) Sep 06 06:38:42 can anyone help me with this please? Sep 06 06:39:01 oh that.. u using bitbake or the toolchain Sep 06 06:40:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Installing_additional_libraries_into_the_toolchain <--- does that help? Sep 06 06:40:19 lemme check kd8ikt Sep 06 06:40:26 (i'm using toolchain btw) Sep 06 06:40:27 --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr Sep 06 06:40:35 ---^ Sep 06 06:40:55 the wiki is teh bomb Sep 06 06:41:10 hnn... that might. Sep 06 06:41:15 * hil_ thinks Sep 06 06:41:35 but do i need a webkit from openmoko or can I get it from the official webkit site? Sep 06 06:43:46 i'd think... (pulls shit out of his arse) that the openmooko "sources" might be best cause they "might" be confoobulated and patched for openmoko specifics then again you "might" get the latest from the main... tree Sep 06 06:44:32 either or... you can probably 'make uninstall'... Sep 06 06:44:47 lol.... thanks. I'll try the main ... tree and if that doesn't work, i'll try to find the openmoko version Sep 06 06:45:41 cheers Sep 06 06:45:49 i'll drink to that Sep 06 06:46:24 * kd8ikt as he says the clock strikes 02:45 Sep 06 06:47:49 or is it "he says as " the clock strikes Sep 06 06:49:05 is that in the noon or night? Sep 06 06:49:11 :) Sep 06 06:49:28 only military time starts with a 0 in the morning Sep 06 06:49:49 07:00 0:930 Sep 06 06:49:57 09:30* Sep 06 06:50:10 14:00 Sep 06 06:51:08 and how does a clock "strike" 02:45 Sep 06 06:51:25 heh ya got me there Sep 06 06:57:35 its an old clock Sep 06 06:58:37 maybe its an old factory clock Sep 06 06:58:57 yeah dings on every 5 min Sep 06 06:59:26 for factory worker breaks Sep 06 07:04:38 why the *bleep* does debian's frameworkd package depend on the -bad gst plugins? Sep 06 07:25:45 This is just great! I just want a browser and I've beendownloading off webkit svn for half an hour... and this doesn't even include the building Sep 06 07:25:51 and the second building Sep 06 07:26:49 get a faster inet connection or donate a faster server/more bandwith to the webkit team Sep 06 07:27:21 i'm not blaming webkit or my internet.. i just mean that a simple browser should be simple to build Sep 06 07:27:33 why can't they base it on a simpler engine :'( Sep 06 07:29:14 hil_: webkit is already the most simple solution Sep 06 07:30:22 bumbl: question: have you built webkit for openmoko? i'm just downloading but have no idea if it would compile or if i'll need an openmoko patched webkit source. do you have any idea about this/ Sep 06 07:31:17 do you know any way to directly conncet mediaplayer2 to alsa ? Sep 06 07:31:55 hil_: no; but openmoko has a webkit browser Sep 06 07:32:11 yes. browser2. it requires webkit to be separately built Sep 06 07:36:37 i have located two alsa .state file -- the gsmheadset.state and headset.state -- one is for listening to music (stereo output), the second for gsm via headset -- but the phone will not automatically load the appropriate one. is there a way how to arrange it -- for example im listening? Sep 06 07:37:19 * arrange it? # ignore the rest of the line pls Sep 06 07:59:13 is it normal, that gpe process take 77% CPU after an hour of normal running (starting/stopping application, making calls)? Sep 06 08:00:01 that would be why the battery runs down Sep 06 08:00:44 maybe accessing the sdcard all day long Sep 06 08:04:43 slaxxin, isnt that a silly question? all sorts of things use battery power Sep 06 08:09:28 i just managed to boot using powersupply only, and save battery :) Sep 06 08:14:04 [Bug] #1967: [kernel] image and modules not in sync ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1967 ) Sep 06 08:23:03 good morning Sep 06 08:58:25 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * ra79873ad595d 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.5 Sep 06 09:12:20 hi Sep 06 09:12:59 I got a kernel panic with the distrib on my SD card and the one on the hdd fails booting Sep 06 09:13:18 I noticed a sort of "bridge" between two pins of the SD card slot Sep 06 09:13:43 Does anyone have that too, or is mine broken ? :( Sep 06 09:13:54 No, that's actually a fix in itself :) Sep 06 09:14:10 It's the GPS fix, that you might've heard about :) Sep 06 09:14:14 aha, so it's normal ? ok Sep 06 09:14:23 more or less Sep 06 09:14:49 Actually it's abnormal, but it's really good :) Sep 06 09:15:06 Well, it's normal now, i guess *giggles* the first few shipments didn't have the fix :) Sep 06 09:15:19 mmmh Sep 06 09:15:33 Good morning Sep 06 09:15:35 ok, I'l try with a fresh distrib on my card Sep 06 09:15:38 hi kennyz Sep 06 09:15:43 Kensan, :p Sep 06 09:15:47 'lo Kensan *curtsies* :) Sep 06 09:17:15 I have a question about openembedded: why does building qtopia-phone-x11 need some libs (like "libXext") from the host when linking the app? Sep 06 09:17:56 Shouldn't the one from openembedded be used? Sep 06 09:21:38 oO.... Kernel panic - ,ot syncing VFS: Unable ro mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2) Sep 06 09:21:43 whay does that mean ? :'( Sep 06 09:22:19 I reflashed my SD card but I still got this error Sep 06 09:22:42 i get that one too... it's got something to do with uboot :) Sep 06 09:22:50 oO Sep 06 09:22:58 does that mean that I need a debug board ???? Sep 06 09:23:05 No, no, that's GTA01 :) Sep 06 09:23:30 There's two copies of uboot on the freerunner, one you can flash normally, and one you need a debug board for :) Sep 06 09:23:32 All I did is giving my freerunner to a developper who plugged it on his computer ... Sep 06 09:23:43 It essentially makes sure you can't brick a freerunner :) Sep 06 09:23:47 ok Sep 06 09:23:52 I got this error after uBoot Sep 06 09:24:04 that splsh wasn't here Sep 06 09:24:27 *nods* Yup, but the fix sits in uboot - but i don't know it, i'm afraid :) Sep 06 09:24:28 that is unlikely to be a uboot "error" Sep 06 09:24:45 it could be uboot telling the kernel the rootfs is in the wrong place Sep 06 09:24:52 none of my two distros bots Sep 06 09:25:01 mmh Sep 06 09:25:13 or it could be a corrupted rootfs ... or a kernel that is for some reason unable to read rootfs Sep 06 09:25:38 it's a fresh reflash Sep 06 09:25:54 with a rootfs and a uImage that used to work Sep 06 09:26:56 how far into the boot does it get? Sep 06 09:27:41 I don't knoiw yet, let me take a look Sep 06 09:27:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Suspend.2Fresume_corrupts_SD_card.27s_partition_table <-- could it be that ? Sep 06 09:28:25 Starts kernel Sep 06 09:28:44 if you're booting off the sd card, it could be Sep 06 09:28:47 unsupported opcodes Sep 06 09:29:02 although as that page says, i believe there is a patch for it Sep 06 09:29:16 and then, the panic. (the previous errors, I used to get them but they wasn't critical) Sep 06 09:29:39 ok, I'll try to rebuild the partition table Sep 06 09:30:17 but It doesn't explain why the hdd distro doesn't boot ... and since the error is catched during the splash, I don't know what is it Sep 06 09:30:41 hdd? Sep 06 09:31:19 erm, I mean, the one on the very phone Sep 06 09:31:38 The NAND-Flash Sep 06 09:32:04 there are several splash screens, so that's an ambigious description Sep 06 09:32:25 the panic you're describing is, as the error plainly states, is due to its inability to read the rootfs Sep 06 09:33:21 Deubeuliou: how does your uboot entry look like? Sep 06 09:35:24 you mean, the screen that I get when booting bt pressing aux+power ? Sep 06 09:37:13 Deubeuliou: no, I mean when you connect to uboot via console how does the "menu_?" entry you are booting off look like? Sep 06 09:38:19 I did never do that Sep 06 09:38:23 hey, can anyone help me with opkg, it always fails to download .sig files Sep 06 09:38:31 which seem to be missing from the repository? :-/ Sep 06 09:38:43 F4t, IMHO no packages are signed yet Sep 06 09:38:47 I'm rebuilding the partiotion table now, but gnome keeps mounting the partitions >< Sep 06 09:39:00 so fdisk fails Sep 06 09:39:03 it looks for .sig file of package list, not a specific package :-/ Sep 06 09:39:30 Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig Sep 06 09:39:30 Signature check failed Sep 06 09:39:52 F4t: yes, thats because there are no signatures for the packages in the repository. Sep 06 09:40:05 F4t: but you can install things, right? Sep 06 09:40:24 i check for a package i see on the web, and it does not appear after "opkg update" Sep 06 09:41:42 "opkg search *diversity*" returns nothing... :-/ Sep 06 09:41:59 when it appears in http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/diversity-wifi-svn509.ipk Sep 06 09:47:44 waht does this diversity wifi does ? Sep 06 09:48:13 i have no idea, i just want to see it as avalible for installation fro opkg Sep 06 09:48:15 from* Sep 06 09:50:07 Zoup: well I think it is supposed to detect wifi access points and thier approx direction and range but I don't think it works very well Sep 06 09:52:04 Kensan, I'm logged in the uBoot prompt Sep 06 09:57:59 Kensan, http://pastebin.com/m2b3f5470 Sep 06 09:59:06 [Bug] #1968: MokoMakefile installed in dir with not trivial path does not work ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1968 ) Sep 06 10:06:45 hi, does anyone know whats the difference between armv4t and armv4tl, and is this the reason i get unmatching arch msgs from armv4t repository? Sep 06 10:07:40 hello Sep 06 10:09:58 hello all Sep 06 10:10:07 which editor does Debian have in the terminal? Sep 06 10:12:12 RXShorty: it has vi Sep 06 10:12:19 ahh thanks Sep 06 10:12:28 gave me some problems because i was used to fedora Sep 06 10:12:35 the keys don't quite work the same way Sep 06 10:12:35 that is what I was searching for thanks hil Sep 06 10:12:39 hmm Sep 06 10:12:50 maybe you can get emacs Sep 06 10:13:10 emacs Sep 06 10:13:12 hmm Sep 06 10:13:14 is that better? Sep 06 10:13:27 much better IMO but much more difficult to use too Sep 06 10:13:37 you'll need a reference in the beginning :) Sep 06 10:14:03 does anyone know why do i get "Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured" from opkg for armv4t packages? Sep 06 10:14:20 hehe Sep 06 10:14:31 well i am trying to get zhone of debian and run a normal x Sep 06 10:14:35 but I need to edit a file Sep 06 10:14:46 vi should work Sep 06 10:14:48 but vi opens it, but cannot change it Sep 06 10:15:01 hit INSERT after you open vi to start editting Sep 06 10:15:07 hit ESC to go back to command mode Sep 06 10:15:36 ahhh Sep 06 10:15:37 then :wq to Write and Quit ... or :q! to Quit without saving! Sep 06 10:15:37 sweet Sep 06 10:15:37 Deubeuliou: your microSD-Card has 2 partitions and the second one holds the rootfs which is ext2? Sep 06 10:16:07 RXShorty: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html Sep 06 10:16:20 Kensan: much better :) Sep 06 10:16:34 yes Kensan Sep 06 10:16:48 I followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Sep 06 10:17:32 Deubeuliou: well it does seem fine so IMHO you are hitting some kind of bug or corruption issue... Sep 06 10:17:36 ("Prepare SD Card" and "Populate SD Card" Sep 06 10:17:55 thanks Kensan Sep 06 10:18:23 How can I see the full boot of the 2007.2 ? I mean, w/o the splash before X Sep 06 10:18:36 RXShorty: I will pass it on to google ;) Sep 06 10:18:51 oh, btw, I have a new kernel panic Sep 06 10:19:00 much later than the previous one Sep 06 10:19:12 something like: Sep 06 10:19:20 heheeh Sep 06 10:19:37 true... well i just needed to figure out which editor it used Sep 06 10:19:38 VFS: unable to read device "" or unknown-block(0,0) Sep 06 10:19:54 then, it gives me a list of availbes "root=" options Sep 06 10:20:22 RXShorty: well this one might be even better: http://www.sm.luth.se/csee/courses/smd/139/smd139_vi.pdf Sep 06 10:22:34 I've repacked qtopia 4.3.3 jffs2 to tar.gz, is there a place I can put it for everyone to download? Sep 06 10:22:52 Deubeuliou: sorry for asking again: but what did you do before the kernel panics started to appear? Sep 06 10:23:04 2 things Sep 06 10:23:13 I did an opkg upgrade Sep 06 10:23:21 checking now Sep 06 10:23:21 directly on the phone, not ssh'ed in Sep 06 10:24:07 second, I handed my FR to a Bearstech dev while at a meeting: He used it to show people the rootfs Sep 06 10:24:26 I didn't see all what he did, but I guess nothing nasty Sep 06 10:24:43 (I hope) Sep 06 10:24:45 Deubeuliou: after you upgraded it still booted? Sep 06 10:25:19 mmmmh .... I think so ... I'm not certain whether I rebooted or not, but I think I did Sep 06 10:25:37 yes, I did... in order to check if the keyboard would come back Sep 06 10:25:53 Deubeuliou: and you reflashed the microSD-Card while trying to solve the problem? Sep 06 10:26:44 Yes, I even rebuilt the partition table .... but I'm not sure whether it worked well: Gnome-automounting mounts the SD card while using fdisk Sep 06 10:26:54 May I turn it off and retry ? Sep 06 10:27:11 s/may/should Sep 06 10:29:07 Deubeuliou: well I would try to figure out where the cause of the problem is. Otherwise you poke around and don't remember what you did to get it fixed. Sep 06 10:29:58 Deubeuliou: Is there a way for you to "pastebin" the error message? Sep 06 10:30:32 I can write them by hand Sep 06 10:30:55 or is there a way to receive all what is prompted in a terminal ? Sep 06 10:30:57 Deubeuliou: hm... that's a bit of a hassle for you :( Sep 06 10:31:03 trough any connection ? Sep 06 10:31:16 it is less than 10 lines Sep 06 10:33:30 Deubeuliou: I guess it's possibly to tell the kernel to log to the "serial console" with some uboot-foo to pipe out over usb but I have no idea how that's done. Sep 06 10:33:38 possible Sep 06 10:34:02 just after I boot, the uboot turns the connection (with cu) off Sep 06 10:34:47 uBoot is a kind of Grub, isn't it ? Sep 06 10:35:04 Deubeuliou: it is the bootloader, yes. Sep 06 10:35:22 ... maybe I can take a picture ? ^^ Sep 06 10:35:36 okok, I'll just write the error down Sep 06 10:36:08 oO' I fucked the args up :p Sep 06 10:37:03 I hope uBoot didn't stored them Sep 06 10:37:28 Deubeuliou: as long as you don't tell it to "saveenv" you should be safe. Sep 06 10:38:24 hey guys... Sep 06 10:38:27 thanks it worked! Sep 06 10:40:17 oooo it looks like my 2007.2 is closely able to boot.... xinit fails, but I don't get any kernel panic. I reboot and retry to boot the 2008.8(SD card) Sep 06 10:41:58 Ok, I got the panic Sep 06 10:42:07 (but I was in the Nand-Boot ... strange) Sep 06 10:43:24 Kensan, the first line is EXT2-fs mmcblk0p2 couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4). Sep 06 10:43:35 do you want the followings ? Sep 06 10:44:08 hi Sep 06 10:44:25 i downloaded 08.8 and it only has a settings button, and nothing else! wtf? Sep 06 10:44:38 it is daily snapshot Sep 06 10:45:22 Deubeuliou: maybe it is an ext3 partition? Could that cause such trouble? Sep 06 10:47:38 oh, yes ... you may be right ! Sep 06 10:47:49 actually, it IS an ext3 Sep 06 10:49:54 Deubeuliou: then rootfstype should be ext3 in uboot. Sep 06 10:50:42 (I just checked and it appears that I have no uImage.bin on my SD card oO') .... I killed gnome-vfs-deamon Sep 06 10:54:18 I come back in 3 minutes Sep 06 11:00:40 * swc|666 smacks himself in the face with a large trout Sep 06 11:19:13 hi guys! just got my phone today! :D Sep 06 11:19:17 i love it :D Sep 06 11:19:54 but where is the terminal in 2008.8? Sep 06 11:21:23 doesn't have one installed by default, you can find xterm from the installer Sep 06 11:21:48 duke nukem 3d? fuck yeah Sep 06 11:22:25 mpr, can't find anything in the installer Sep 06 11:22:35 do you have a net connection? Sep 06 11:22:42 says that it can't find any repos Sep 06 11:22:48 probably not Sep 06 11:23:07 [OpenMoko] Valério Valério: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko played with accelerometers ( http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=164 ) Sep 06 11:23:18 enable wlan from the settings or configure usb networking w/ wiki instructions Sep 06 11:23:23 phrozen77: yeah, thats cool Sep 06 11:23:52 is that the free version of the semi-free one? Sep 06 11:25:01 Duke nukem 3d is GPL now Sep 06 11:25:10 with graphics too? Sep 06 11:25:42 http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/02/2359230 Sep 06 11:26:57 i wouldn't trust /. :) Sep 06 11:28:20 I recall there was a version, I think the "iccubus" or something, which was non-free Sep 06 11:28:55 I mean the code itself, not the graphics Sep 06 11:29:12 is there some free alternative graphics? Sep 06 11:29:54 not that I know of Sep 06 11:30:04 but if the code is non-free to being with... Sep 06 11:30:59 hi all, what's the 2008 status???? can it make calls and sms?? i'm fed up with qtopia... is boring!!! (but at least it works as a phone) Sep 06 11:35:38 too many question marks :) Sep 06 11:35:55 halp Sep 06 11:36:04 what 08.8 image do i want? Sep 06 11:36:29 i agree with cga... using qtopia=bore to death Sep 06 11:36:45 admiral0, what distro you running? Sep 06 11:36:53 b0ib0t: raster's is better than the original Sep 06 11:36:58 qtopia Sep 06 11:37:00 haven't tried the most recent ones Sep 06 11:37:08 b0ib0t: it sucks Sep 06 11:37:49 is 08,8 pretty good? Sep 06 11:38:17 I'd say having a recent 2008.08 on the internal flash and debian on the sd is a fairly good combo Sep 06 11:38:35 at least if you're looking for a dev environment and not a working phone Sep 06 11:39:11 i want working phone on internal, and dev environment on sdkard Sep 06 11:39:15 (and if you're just looking for a working phone then freerunner might not have been the best choice at this stage :) Sep 06 11:39:19 * cga is looking for a working phone Sep 06 11:39:31 mpr: qtopia works Sep 06 11:39:47 I guess the qtopia stuff is "working" in some sense of the work, haven't tried it myself Sep 06 11:39:56 s/work/word/ Sep 06 11:39:56 mpr meant: I guess the qtopia stuff is "wording" in some sense of the work, haven't tried it myself Sep 06 11:40:09 so, qtopia == every day phone, and debian == fun Sep 06 11:40:23 apt: no I didn't :) Sep 06 11:40:34 mpr: word up! Sep 06 11:41:17 b0ib0t: debian has more comprehensive libraries etc. which is nice for development, but doesn't have a packaged illume yet Sep 06 11:41:17 Zorkman: !!! Sep 06 11:41:58 which is why the 2008.08 on internal flash is nice, then you can use that and run stuff in chroot with the debian libraries etc. :) Sep 06 11:44:56 this might be a dumb question, but in 07.2, on the crappy keyboard they give for term, how do i do slashes and double quotes? Sep 06 11:45:49 ?? Sep 06 11:47:35 I use copy & paste Sep 06 11:47:37 for slashes Sep 06 11:48:14 =/ Sep 06 11:48:20 raster's image has a decent keyboard, use that. :) Sep 06 11:48:38 what is rasters image? Sep 06 11:48:41 and where do i get it? Sep 06 11:49:06 it's a modified 2008.08 Sep 06 11:49:22 sounds neat Sep 06 11:49:23 url? Sep 06 11:49:38 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Sep 06 11:50:09 downloading now Sep 06 11:50:12 ^^ Sep 06 11:50:17 bbl gotta take the cat to the vet Sep 06 12:03:10 ok so i got internet through usb, i can ping google an stuff, but i can't download packages Sep 06 12:03:12 how come? Sep 06 12:04:13 you can ping with a domain name and not just using ip addresses? Sep 06 12:04:21 opkg update does nothing? Sep 06 12:04:56 can ping both www.google.com and the ip... Sep 06 12:04:58 for me the installer found the repositories as soon as I had net working and a dns server added at /etc/resolv.conf Sep 06 12:05:06 yes it did Sep 06 12:05:16 oh Sep 06 12:05:19 but download fails? Sep 06 12:05:29 but when i try to install the browser, it sais packages can't be downloaded Sep 06 12:05:36 hmm Sep 06 12:05:43 just for the browser or for any package? Sep 06 12:05:45 try wget Sep 06 12:05:51 any package Sep 06 12:05:56 for example wget www.google.com Sep 06 12:06:07 which 2008.08 image do you have? Sep 06 12:06:14 dunno :P Sep 06 12:06:18 how do i check? Sep 06 12:06:38 w/ raster's 2008.08 the installer works for me Sep 06 12:06:44 where did you get it?-) Sep 06 12:07:12 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Sep 06 12:08:43 k.. maybe someone else knows more about the recent official builds, I've just used the installer on the raster image Sep 06 12:09:08 whats that? Sep 06 12:09:13 unstable? Sep 06 12:09:17 or stable? Sep 06 12:09:37 see the url 20 minutes back Sep 06 12:09:50 none of those, raster's own modified build of 2008.08 Sep 06 12:09:57 not provided by openmoko Sep 06 12:10:04 is it stable then? Sep 06 12:10:45 well probably as stable as any 2008.08 available at the moment :) Sep 06 12:10:51 im planing on using the openmoko as my main phone, so i want stable software ;) Sep 06 12:10:54 ok Sep 06 12:10:55 I have been away for two weeks. What would be best upgrading my 2007.02 or change to 2008.08? Sep 06 12:11:01 but thats good Sep 06 12:11:29 I just want it to be stable in 3-4 month from now Sep 06 12:11:51 does the raster's image contain the echo fix? and is the echo fix really echo fix? Sep 06 12:12:18 what's the echo fix, haven't been paying close attention to the mailing lists? Sep 06 12:12:31 oh, you mean speaker echo Sep 06 12:12:34 dunno Sep 06 12:12:40 i mean speaker echo, yes Sep 06 12:12:42 haven't used my freerunners as phones :P Sep 06 12:12:48 :) Sep 06 12:13:16 hmm Sep 06 12:14:27 How are you gentlemen? Sep 06 12:15:15 mpr, should i also flash kernel? Sep 06 12:15:57 XORA Sep 06 12:16:00 yeah Sep 06 12:16:13 or at least I did since it's provided along with the root image Sep 06 12:16:23 some other kernel might work if you're lucky :) Sep 06 12:17:17 Dear < >, running you application for 24 hours caused my battery to explode. Thank you. Sep 06 12:18:17 Dave: we got signal Sep 06 12:18:57 Oh, DID you now? Sep 06 12:19:11 for great justice =) Sep 06 12:19:29 take off every freerunner? Sep 06 12:19:42 because they're broken and function properly? Sep 06 12:19:43 :] Sep 06 12:20:14 somebody set us up the bomb in your battery Sep 06 12:20:21 D: Sep 06 12:20:28 TERRORISTS WIN!? D: Sep 06 12:21:36 bricode Sep 06 12:21:46 btf-8 Sep 06 12:22:20 :p Sep 06 12:22:54 :q! Sep 06 12:28:52 hey is there some kind of shell installed on om2008.8 by default (don't wont to flash it again), cause network gets down at some point and I can't get it working without a shell :/ Sep 06 12:29:24 not by default, but you can install xterm via the installer Sep 06 12:29:37 apollo13, think you have to install it, but you can ssh to your phone from your computer Sep 06 12:29:38 ... hard without network :/ Sep 06 12:29:43 I can't Sep 06 12:29:56 dont have the usb-cable? Sep 06 12:29:59 I have Sep 06 12:30:03 but the connection drops Sep 06 12:30:13 It only works the first time Sep 06 12:30:19 flashed twice alredy :/ Sep 06 12:30:28 drops when the image suspends? Sep 06 12:30:31 or something else? Sep 06 12:30:43 image suspends? Sep 06 12:30:52 could be Sep 06 12:30:59 2008.08 suspends after 30 seconds by default Sep 06 12:31:00 I disabled suspend for now Sep 06 12:31:17 still can't login or ping Sep 06 12:31:21 maybe a reboot helps Sep 06 12:32:32 apollo13: firewall? Sep 06 12:32:42 hi, is there any news about om 2008.9? Sep 06 12:32:53 bubak: not on my desktop Sep 06 12:33:30 how to reboot 2008.8? Sep 06 12:33:43 hold the power key down for a bit Sep 06 12:33:57 no reaction Sep 06 12:34:05 a bit longer :) Sep 06 12:34:39 maybe the 2008.8 update wasn't such a good idea Sep 06 12:34:56 waiting for fso milestone 3 ;) Sep 06 12:35:25 mofomoko Sep 06 12:39:02 :o Sep 06 12:39:24 news about 2008.9? Sep 06 12:39:46 slaxxin: how does the debian install "fail to download the kernel"? Sep 06 12:42:19 all right i've flasheed Sep 06 12:42:35 where is the backspace button? Sep 06 12:42:47 and how do i get numbers in the keyboard? Sep 06 12:42:57 click the icon in the upper right corner and select terminal keyboard Sep 06 12:43:10 to get a full keyboard Sep 06 12:43:23 aah Sep 06 12:43:24 thanks Sep 06 12:43:41 should I use Om2008.8-update or the normal one? Sep 06 12:44:00 I'm recommending raster's version to everyone :P Sep 06 12:44:17 I'm recommending fso to everyone Sep 06 12:44:24 better keyboard etc. than the official images Sep 06 12:44:59 bumbl: I meant within 2008.08 variations Sep 06 12:45:18 oh Sep 06 12:45:27 fso vs. 2008.08 is another story and fso is the future etcetc, yeah :) Sep 06 12:45:27 can i get a norwegian keyboard? :P Sep 06 12:45:28 mpr: fso is better of qtopia? Sep 06 12:45:48 I tried to like 2008.8 but I don't succeded Sep 06 12:46:04 Xecuter: yeah, raster had instructions for configuring the keyb layout in the maling lists somewhere Sep 06 12:48:04 sylar: depends, qtopia might be better right now if you just want something that can make phonecalls Sep 06 12:48:23 but fso seems to be the direction where future development is headed Sep 06 12:48:30 2008.8 is really too slow, fso is faster? Sep 06 12:48:33 any way to manually import contacts from SIM on openmoko-contacts (running it under ASU) ? Sep 06 12:48:46 I haven't noticed 2008.08 being slow Sep 06 12:49:16 2007.2 had some weird cpy-hogging background processes Sep 06 12:49:16 08' contacts are barely usable Sep 06 13:09:47 installing things is really slow Sep 06 13:14:25 where do I get libjack from? (for navit) Sep 06 13:17:39 from debian repositories if you're using a debian image, otherwise build your own? Sep 06 13:17:43 i found some strange thing - fr takes the same amount of energy when lcd is dimmed and poweroff (qtopia - image 2.09) is it normal? Sep 06 13:18:47 openmoko: 03werner * r4631 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (15 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Sep 06 13:18:47 openmoko: Lots of cleanup and a restructuring of the modules into a package. Sep 06 13:18:47 openmoko: This means that this can now be used like any other Python package. Sep 06 13:18:47 openmoko: Also added the possibility to synthesize waveforms, and put this new Sep 06 13:18:47 openmoko: feature to good use to debug the deglitcher. Finally, there are a few Sep 06 13:18:47 openmoko: example scripts in demo/ The now obsolete examples under examples/ Sep 06 13:18:49 openmoko: will be removed once they've been converted to more modern counterparts. Sep 06 13:20:23 mpr: I though the armstrong repo would have it if it has navit... I'll see where I can find it Sep 06 13:20:39 oh, might be Sep 06 13:21:27 how can i install 2007.2 on the memory chip? Sep 06 13:22:41 maybe the lcd module isnt't powered off properly? Sep 06 13:22:59 im not very impressed with 2008.8 Sep 06 13:23:36 is there some place for energy efficient discusion? (maybe separate irc channel) Sep 06 13:23:49 Xecuter: 2007.2 isn't that impressing either Sep 06 13:24:10 i liked it better then 2008.8 Sep 06 13:24:11 Xecuter: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Sep 06 13:24:41 keyboards isnt very good Sep 06 13:25:43 Xecuter: mine is Sep 06 13:26:26 did you try the illumne (eg raster's) one? Sep 06 13:27:44 dPeS: what do you want to discuss? Sep 06 13:28:40 yes Sep 06 13:30:11 note that the kb switches back to the official 2008.08 one after you install something and you have to reboot/restart x to recover the illume one Sep 06 13:30:30 aaah Sep 06 13:30:33 thanks Sep 06 13:30:35 ill try that Sep 06 13:31:00 apollo13: for e.g. that i've just wrote Sep 06 13:31:21 dPeS: hu? Sep 06 13:31:35 some energy saving topics... for like kernel settings etc Sep 06 13:32:15 dPeS: do you know python? Sep 06 13:32:54 hello, what's the procedure that can make phones calls with AT commands? because i've NO CARRIER as result of ATDmyphonenumber(i use a nozomi card...i don't know where else to ask) Sep 06 13:32:55 well i'm dev and also admin in private... know python for a while Sep 06 13:33:21 dPeS: how about writing a program that shows energy consumption history of the last 30 minutes or so graphically and also logs it to file? Sep 06 13:33:22 is there a website that gives the procedure...or mabe in the openmoko wiki history Sep 06 13:33:55 well... afaik that program already exist Sep 06 13:34:04 dPeS: aha Sep 06 13:34:11 it's called... batmon.py Sep 06 13:34:32 it's gtk app but i've changed it into console app in 5min Sep 06 13:34:49 it's simple - cut off 80% of code ;) Sep 06 13:35:04 dPeS: svn checkout svn://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/battery is empty Sep 06 13:36:15 http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon.py ? Sep 06 13:36:33 hmm, that seems to lack name of author Sep 06 13:37:37 well it's gpl Sep 06 13:38:50 this code works pretty well... and shows when i'm not usb plugged in that my fr takes the same amount energy when lcd is powered off and when it's NOT Sep 06 13:42:44 anyone know where i can find a 2007.2 image? Sep 06 13:43:37 dPeS: yeah but i'd like to know who gives me permission to use it :) Sep 06 13:44:51 i rebooted and no i get no gsm... Sep 06 13:46:58 hi. is there anyway to use the gprs connection on 2008.8 taking into account that my sim card needs to enter the pin? pls Sep 06 13:48:32 is there an enlightenment restart cli ? Sep 06 13:55:01 is it possible Openmoko will adopt a high end Application processor, to replace s3c2442, I see TI omap3 serials are quite linux-friendly Sep 06 13:55:39 so to achieve high performance, i guess there will be a lot issues, not only techinical Sep 06 13:56:18 www.beagleboard.org Sep 06 13:57:12 Openfree: that is probably not the right place to ask it Sep 06 13:57:49 Openfree: omap3 user manuals are not public Sep 06 13:58:00 lindi-, I'm not asking, i'm just discussing about with people Sep 06 13:58:43 flashing the raster stuff to my freerunner now w00t Sep 06 13:58:51 Openfree: I guess anything is possible, but I would be surprised if openmoko switched to an omap3. It is hard to imagine that the extra performance would justify the cost. Sep 06 13:59:22 let alone the fact that it's idealogically incompatible due to the user manuals not being public ... Sep 06 13:59:51 true, but isn't that also the case for the atheros wifi chip and the like? Sep 06 14:00:20 I thought the gta02 hardware was already not 100% publicly documented, but I could well be wrong about that Sep 06 14:00:48 it's not Sep 06 14:00:54 it is true, and I think they have a strong preference for cpu with public data manuals (which the samsung was when they started) Sep 06 14:00:57 rwhitby, maybe I'm wrong, but i can get the user manual, does that's still not enough Sep 06 14:01:12 can i put windows xp on the freerunner? Sep 06 14:01:12 Openfree: can you get it legally without being under an NDA? Sep 06 14:01:25 anyway, gta03 will go with the same soc, but after that, it's pretty much in the air - going by publically available information Sep 06 14:01:38 rwhitby, that's true , atheros provide binary code Sep 06 14:01:46 b0ib0t, yes, just install bochs ... Sep 06 14:01:59 what is bochs? Sep 06 14:02:00 rwhitby, Yes, i download some public docs from TI's web Sep 06 14:02:17 Openfree: got a URL? Sep 06 14:02:41 rwhitby, google is your friend, it's esay to get Sep 06 14:02:43 if it's a data manual with register definitions, I'll take my words back immediately Sep 06 14:03:00 i was jk about windows Sep 06 14:03:10 rwhitby, there are register definitions Sep 06 14:03:12 real question though... how do i get to console using 08.8 raster? Sep 06 14:03:44 i want to connect to my wifi but i cant find the console/term Sep 06 14:03:46 b0ib0t: x86 emulator Sep 06 14:03:48 b0ib0t, can't u , i think it's already provided Sep 06 14:04:23 b0ib0t, serial console, or SSH via your usb net Sep 06 14:04:58 can i set up a usb net with winblows? Sep 06 14:04:59 b0ib0t, for choise one, you must have debug board, search wiki, it helps Sep 06 14:05:22 yea the wiki got me this far Sep 06 14:05:31 Openfree: I take my words back - it does look like omap3 data manuals are on the TI public web now. That's changed since last time I looked (which was a while back). Sep 06 14:06:20 My apologies for speaking without confirming my old assumptions. Sep 06 14:07:00 b0ib0t, haven't tried , but how weird you try this with M$ platfrom Sep 06 14:07:26 yes i've got a m$ gaming machine Sep 06 14:07:29 so shameful Sep 06 14:07:34 rwhitby, things does change so rapidly, eh? ^_^ Sep 06 14:07:44 indeed Sep 06 14:08:00 time to bust out my netbook i think (slackware) Sep 06 14:08:47 rwhitby, i guess OMAP3 is not open when openmoko adopt s3c24xx, but since times goes by, thing change too Sep 06 14:09:20 yeah, I expect TI released the info to coincide with the BeagleBoard marketing strategy Sep 06 14:10:13 and samsung do have high end chip which s3c64xx seiral, but not yet open their specs, big company always have their own strategy Sep 06 14:11:04 I am always getting: root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg install tangogps An error ocurred, return value: 2. Sep 06 14:11:15 according to the wiki it's a config error Sep 06 14:11:25 how can I find out what's causing it? Sep 06 14:11:33 yes, check your network connection Sep 06 14:11:40 mickey/mickeyl you do alot of stuff with the ipaq? Sep 06 14:11:55 thorben: network is working fine Sep 06 14:12:00 update works Sep 06 14:12:29 apollo13: ah sorry, I had return value 2 whenever I wanted to install a package not in the repository Sep 06 14:12:33 is the ipaq thing still around? Sep 06 14:12:36 apollo13: compile with debugging symbols, use gdb? Sep 06 14:12:36 I used to own one of those Sep 06 14:12:49 thorben: ah that might be, let me check Sep 06 14:12:50 check opkg -l | grep "packagename" Sep 06 14:13:09 (or was it opkg list?) Sep 06 14:13:11 b0ib0t: i no longer use any of my PDAs. Fully working on mobile phones these days Sep 06 14:13:11 I cant call or send sms, gsm isnt running, and im not beeing asked for a pin. Whats wrong? Sep 06 14:13:17 thorben: it was list, you were right Sep 06 14:16:02 is opkg segfaulting for you too when trying to opkg -test upgrade the bearstech testing repo? Sep 06 14:19:21 how do i start/restart gsm in terminal? Sep 06 14:19:46 mickeyl: right on Sep 06 14:20:58 Xecuter: what distro? Sep 06 14:21:08 raster 2008.8 Sep 06 14:21:11 or something Sep 06 14:21:25 Xecuter: does it use frameworkd? Sep 06 14:21:58 its basicly openmokos own 2008.8, the ASU Sep 06 14:22:09 i have no idea :P Sep 06 14:24:32 Xecuter: ps axuf? Sep 06 14:30:01 lindi-, what about that? Sep 06 14:41:33 hi all.. can anyone guide me (or gimme a link to a Wiki page) for building kernel modules with the MokoMakefile. Sep 06 14:41:48 I tried searching on the wiki (and using google) but couldn't find anything Sep 06 14:44:26 * hil__ thinks no one's here Sep 06 14:46:28 #openmoko-cdevel Sep 06 14:46:31 oops Sep 06 14:48:25 I got gprs without GSM multiplexing and without a GUI, how can I restart gsm? pls Sep 06 14:49:12 ftnt: either everyone's asleep or busy :( Sep 06 14:50:20 do NDAs actually prevent the porting of an OS _other_ than Linux to the FR? Sep 06 14:50:32 No. Sep 06 14:50:44 You can recode the glamo thingy for your OS using open-source. Sep 06 14:52:56 * thorben is thinking about Plan 9 Sep 06 14:54:29 thorben: NDAs only cover certain information that can not be made available to everyone. If you are able to port Plan 9 without that information everyone is free to do so. Sep 06 14:56:56 I just wanted to know if NDAs would put any obstacles into the path of anyone wanting to port anything Sep 06 14:57:14 mickeyl: good afternoon Sep 06 14:59:11 Hi, I've just installed debian on my FreeRunner. I'm unable to connect to the internet using usb0. Also I'm unable to ping (it returns with "-bash: ping: command not found" Sep 06 14:59:27 ahoi Sep 06 14:59:40 What do you guys(/gals?) suggest? Sep 06 15:01:38 have you got the usb0 working with other images? Sep 06 15:02:08 yes, it works with Qtopia and OM2008.8 Sep 06 15:02:10 at least for me it worked for debian right away after installing to a sd card Sep 06 15:02:10 shanka: make sure you are forwarding dns / other stuff properly. then try again. Sep 06 15:02:25 shanka: did you install the kernel that came with the Debian installer, or a later one? Sep 06 15:03:01 nomeata: I used the script at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner with automatic Sep 06 15:03:22 so I've used the kernel that came with the Debian installer only I think.. Sep 06 15:03:41 shanka: ok. what does "ifconfig usb0" say? Sep 06 15:04:28 can I paste here? or should I use pastebin? Sep 06 15:04:34 what the heck.. Sep 06 15:04:35 shashank@ubuntu-desktop:~$ ifconfig usb0 Sep 06 15:04:35 usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ea:1f:f2:f3:c1:da Sep 06 15:04:35 inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Sep 06 15:04:35 inet6 addr: fe80::e81f:f2ff:fef3:c1da/64 Scope:Link Sep 06 15:04:35 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Sep 06 15:04:37 RX packets:2208 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 Sep 06 15:04:39 TX packets:2273 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Sep 06 15:04:41 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 Sep 06 15:04:43 RX bytes:272525 (266.1 KB) TX bytes:191283 (186.7 KB) Sep 06 15:04:54 pastebin ;) Sep 06 15:05:52 ok, I'll try to restart my phone in Qtopia and ensure that usb network on my ubuntu is working properly.. and then get back to you Sep 06 15:06:48 shanka: make sure your LAN is not in the 192.168.0 address-space Sep 06 15:07:12 thorben: yeah, it's in 192.168.1.xx range Sep 06 15:07:59 shanka: what I also did wrong initially was trying to do ssh into 192.168.0.200 Sep 06 15:08:49 instead of 192.168.0.202 Sep 06 15:11:02 thorben: I'm able to ssh into the device. The problem is connecting to internet from the FreeRunner Sep 06 15:11:30 oh Sep 06 15:11:40 /etc/resolv.conf contains a valid dns server? Sep 06 15:12:00 I use "ssh moko" as suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Changing_host_keys Sep 06 15:12:13 mpr: yeah I does, I've added the OpenDns dns server Sep 06 15:12:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r19580728aba0 10/src/zhone: Sep 06 15:12:38 freesmartphone.org: fix logic error in startup procedure: Sep 06 15:12:38 freesmartphone.org: antenna power needs to be turned on _before_ sending the PIN, otherwise it's going to be resetted lateron Sep 06 15:13:01 mpr: The problem is ping is not working so I've to either try "apt-get update" or "wget xxxx" to test internet Sep 06 15:13:04 shanka: nice! but 'ssh fr' is shorter ;-) Sep 06 15:13:49 well seems that ping isn't installed :) Sep 06 15:14:12 mpr: yeah Sep 06 15:14:28 you don't have any firewalls etc.? Sep 06 15:14:41 ??????? Sep 06 15:14:52 mpr: no none. Sep 06 15:15:18 route -n shows a valid default route? Sep 06 15:16:41 shanka: (sorry for the delay) actually, I wanted you to run ifconfig usb0 on the FreeRunner :-) Sep 06 15:17:09 nomeata: oh, ok... I just restarted the phone to Qtopia Sep 06 15:17:21 internet is working (able to ping google.com) Sep 06 15:17:44 so I think the problem is with debian, I'll restart to debian on FR and get back Sep 06 15:17:58 mpr: route -n in FR right? Sep 06 15:18:03 yeah Sep 06 15:18:10 and that /etc/resolv.conf too :) Sep 06 15:18:15 mpr: just a sec, have to restart Sep 06 15:18:43 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rb24d3c2e66fe 10/illume/illume/ (24 files): illume-fso-theme: Rotating asterisk images were out of sync. Update the missing one. Sep 06 15:20:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd5712c35135b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: Sep 06 15:20:58 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: try to circumvent race condition for sending SIM init commands Sep 06 15:20:58 freesmartphone.org: Needs testing on other modems Sep 06 15:23:06 ok here it /etc/resolv.conf: Sep 06 15:23:06 nameserver 61.1.96.69 Sep 06 15:23:06 nameserver 208.67.222.222 Sep 06 15:23:37 and route -n shows: Sep 06 15:23:37 Kernel IP routing table Sep 06 15:23:37 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Sep 06 15:23:37 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Sep 06 15:23:37 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 Sep 06 15:24:02 ifconfig? Sep 06 15:24:38 mpr: nomeata: ifconfig: Sep 06 15:24:38 usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 72:23:fe:89:4e:f1 Sep 06 15:24:38 inet addr:192.168.0.202 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Sep 06 15:24:38 inet6 addr: fe80::7023:feff:fe89:4ef1/64 Scope:Link Sep 06 15:24:38 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Sep 06 15:24:38 RX packets:291 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 Sep 06 15:24:40 TX packets:179 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Sep 06 15:24:42 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 Sep 06 15:24:44 RX bytes:24917 (24.3 KiB) TX bytes:24621 (24.0 KiB) Sep 06 15:24:55 hmm. that looks good. Sep 06 15:25:20 can you pign 192.168.0.202 from your laptop? Sep 06 15:25:27 eh, desktop Sep 06 15:26:02 that 192.168.0.1 as default gateway sounds weird, shouldn't it be .200? Sep 06 15:26:08 nomeata: yeah I can ping Sep 06 15:26:09 Hi all. Is 2008.8 already capable of phoning + sms'ing without problems? Sep 06 15:26:09 don't have a fr at hand now to check Sep 06 15:26:34 I have used Qtopia and had sms issues and the latest snapshot is buggy as hell. Sep 06 15:26:42 shanka: have you set up IP forwarding and masquerading on your desktop? Sep 06 15:26:52 shanka: hmm. probably, yes, as it works in qtopia Sep 06 15:27:00 nomeata: I can ssh into FR, yeah I've done IP forwarding and masquerading Sep 06 15:27:06 nomeata: yeah Sep 06 15:27:07 shanka: ok. try apt-get update Sep 06 15:27:27 nomeata: takes a very long time and reports and error.. Sep 06 15:27:36 I tried: wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh Sep 06 15:27:55 got an error saying it's unable to resolve the address Sep 06 15:28:05 so DNS is the problem? Sep 06 15:28:18 shanka: yes. put your desktop’s resolv.conf on the freerunner and retry Sep 06 15:31:04 still not able to resolve Sep 06 15:31:34 mpr: how do I change the default gateway? Sep 06 15:31:39 nomeata: does your route -n show 192.168.0.1? Sep 06 15:33:27 aha connected! Sep 06 15:33:35 mpr: I have changed it. but it should have copied the interfaces file from the image it was installed from Sep 06 15:33:40 I changed the default gateway to 192.168.0.200! Sep 06 15:33:41 shanka: change /etc/network/interfaces Sep 06 15:33:43 thanks mpr! Sep 06 15:33:48 yay Sep 06 15:34:37 thanks nomeata Sep 06 15:35:43 wonder where it got that wrong value Sep 06 15:35:58 qtopia's image has it in its interfaces-file and it gets copied? Sep 06 15:36:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rc27fc2efede1 10/src/zhone: show GSM agent state on display Sep 06 15:36:10 how does qtopia's networking work then? Sep 06 15:36:16 mpr: hmm, yeah I don't remember to have touched these values before Sep 06 15:41:27 maybe it's just some debian-default and the debian install script can't determine the correct value from qtopia images but can from 2008.08, or something Sep 06 15:41:42 tangogps seems to think I'm in the Mediterranean. I understand that off the west coast of Africa is the "0,0" point, but any ideas why it would put me in the Med.Sea? Sep 06 15:51:46 ciao a tutti|hi all Sep 06 15:52:10 openmoko: 03f.hackenberger 07org.openmoko.dev * rff791585fa69 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Set the build key to $HOST_ARCH Sep 06 15:52:13 mpr: install.sh copies /etc/network/interfaces always. Sep 06 15:52:20 openmoko: 03f.hackenberger 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r719c76afc644 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Set the build key to $HOST_ARCH Sep 06 15:52:43 anybody could help me please? I can't install debian on fr because an error Sep 06 15:52:59 do qtopia images have a /etc/network/interfaces? Sep 06 15:54:11 mpr: yes Sep 06 15:54:28 with a valid gw value? Sep 06 15:54:47 I don't know what it means Sep 06 15:54:57 oh :) Sep 06 15:55:11 that earlier comment wasn't for you, it was for lindi- Sep 06 15:55:18 lol Sep 06 15:55:50 what error are you getting? Sep 06 15:55:51 mpr: that i do not know Sep 06 15:56:03 me: "an error"? Sep 06 15:56:20 mpr: I can't umount the sd Sep 06 15:56:39 paste the error message Sep 06 15:57:12 E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to Sep 06 15:57:12 stop it with `killall qpe` and then restart the installation! Sep 06 15:57:21 do what it says :) Sep 06 15:57:27 'killall qpe' Sep 06 15:57:51 I done it but the same error occurrs Sep 06 15:58:00 hmm Sep 06 15:58:43 and you typed 'killall qpe' without the quotes, and 'ps uax' shows that qpe is not running anymore? Sep 06 15:59:09 [Bug] #1969: Zhone, empty message box disables functionality to send message. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1969 ) Sep 06 15:59:10 yes, but then qpe restarts automatically Sep 06 15:59:18 what image are you using? Sep 06 15:59:31 qtopia... Sep 06 15:59:39 but I get the same error on 2008.8 update Sep 06 16:00:08 i got it too but everything worked fine after killing qpe once on raster's 2008.08 Sep 06 16:00:27 ... bho Sep 06 16:00:35 so I can't install anything on the sd Sep 06 16:00:35 ... Sep 06 16:00:38 ah, but raster's image pops up a "do you want to restart" dialog when killing qpe Sep 06 16:01:18 qtopia images restart automatically or sth? Sep 06 16:01:38 qpe restart Sep 06 16:01:45 *restarts Sep 06 16:01:58 you just need to figure out a way to make it not restart :) Sep 06 16:03:37 i damage it :D Sep 06 16:04:46 *I could damage it :D loool Sep 06 16:05:59 if it's too hard on the qtopia image, just put http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ on the internal flash and run the debian install through that Sep 06 16:06:39 there you get a dialog box when killing qpe, just leave the dialog open and don't click on "restart" and you shouldn't get that "kill qpe"-error anymore Sep 06 16:07:07 sorry I can't understand, what I have to do? Sep 06 16:07:21 anyone speak italian?-) Sep 06 16:07:35 io Sep 06 16:07:37 lol Sep 06 16:07:58 I have to download an image? Sep 06 16:08:18 replace qtopia with the above image, yeah Sep 06 16:08:35 and then 'killall qpe' in that and it should work Sep 06 16:08:39 replace? I have to uninstll it? Sep 06 16:09:02 overwrite Sep 06 16:09:14 no uninstall needed, the qtopia gets overwritten :) Sep 06 16:09:45 it is a qtopia-x11 but I have qtopia (no x11) installed... Sep 06 16:09:52 yes Sep 06 16:10:26 mpr: thx but I don't want qtopia-x11..... Sep 06 16:10:31 :) Sep 06 16:10:34 me: i think this might help you: http://qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=470&forum=13 Sep 06 16:10:34 it runs better qtopia (no x11) Sep 06 16:10:45 you can install qtopia back after creating the debian sd Sep 06 16:10:53 lol Sep 06 16:11:40 uff is there a method to install debian arm to the sd from the pc? Sep 06 16:13:24 I have to go away, thanks! Sep 06 16:19:00 I don't suppose anyone else has used an openmoko with a zyxel wireless AP? Sep 06 16:19:10 Hi! What should I see when I press download map in TangoGPS and select a zoom level? (Nothing gets downloaded for me.) (2008.8 updated version) Sep 06 16:19:17 my moko will work fine with any AP except for my ADSL router... which is rather annoying! Sep 06 16:19:38 gets huge packet loss on the modem -> moko path, transmit is fine though Sep 06 16:19:40 very weird Sep 06 16:21:13 LionKMP: you should see a number like 1500 appear at the bottom left Sep 06 16:21:16 and start counting down Sep 06 16:21:21 and that's how many tiles it's trying to download Sep 06 16:21:57 cjb: tiles? isn't it downloading roads? data files? I try again. Sep 06 16:23:24 hm Sep 06 16:23:28 LionKMP: map tiles Sep 06 16:23:31 D6: 68 Sep 06 16:23:36 LionKMP: it deals in images, not data Sep 06 16:23:41 25 this is counting down Sep 06 16:23:46 then it's downloading Sep 06 16:23:54 it means it's downloading 6 at once, 68 total Sep 06 16:24:12 the first number, D1, disappeared now. (the blue thing) Sep 06 16:24:16 hm Sep 06 16:24:22 then it's done downloading Sep 06 16:24:44 I thought this works with map data. ok, I try moving and them zooming offline. Sep 06 16:24:57 no, it doesn't. Sep 06 16:25:19 just like when your browser goes to Google Maps, it doesn't download "map data", it downloads GIF images. Sep 06 16:27:14 well, I don't know if it has downloaded anything more. I cannot remember what the previous boundaries are for different zoom levels. Sep 06 16:27:30 but the city I am trying to download has lot of holes. shouldn't that option fill all those? Sep 06 16:27:55 ah, it downloads the current VIEW? Sep 06 16:28:08 (and more zoom levels for THAT viewport?) Sep 06 16:28:14 yes. Sep 06 16:28:28 so, zoom out to encompass your city, if you want to download all of it. Sep 06 16:28:57 so, zoom whole city first. ok :) I thought "zoom" selection meant how much to zoom out for the download area Sep 06 16:29:18 e.g. I see an area, I choose 4 zoom levels so it goes beyond my area :) wrong. Sep 06 16:30:13 hm, why don't the MB measures change? now I view complete city and still only 25MB for +4 zoom levels.!? Sep 06 16:30:23 I am in zoom 10. Sep 06 16:31:12 ah, that's because it does not depend on number of streets. :-p Sep 06 16:31:16 :D Sep 06 16:33:02 Kensan, thanks a lot, That was because of ext3 Sep 06 16:33:10 (I had to go, I come back only now :p) Sep 06 16:35:40 too big for internal card, and I didn't install the additional card because GPS wouldn't work, people says :( Sep 06 16:36:26 the sd card interferese with the gps only when reading/writing the sd Sep 06 16:36:29 not all the time Sep 06 16:36:44 LionKMP: that's fixed now, if you update kernel. Sep 06 16:37:40 wow really? hm... flashing the kernel won't change my data, right? Sep 06 16:37:45 no Sep 06 16:37:48 only flashing rootfs scratches. Sep 06 16:37:57 right. Sep 06 16:38:00 cool Sep 06 16:38:00 separate partition. Sep 06 16:38:21 thanks all. :) I'll try. but I installed the 2008.8 updated flash files, do I need newer? Sep 06 16:38:31 Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 08:33:29 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown Sep 06 16:38:49 no, that is new enough Sep 06 16:38:57 great :) Sep 06 16:39:37 so ..hmm... won't I need hardware fix? no sending back? Sep 06 16:40:01 the software workaround seems to be adequate Sep 06 16:40:13 I use GPS and SD together without any big problems Sep 06 16:40:30 maybe you lose a little GPS precision *if* you're doing SD I/O and using GPS at the same time Sep 06 16:40:35 but you don't lose the fix or anything. Sep 06 16:40:35 ok that sounds great, then I install the card and reconfigure OSM track path. Sep 06 16:40:36 only in the initialization of the gps, the gps interferes with the sd-card right? Sep 06 16:40:53 Zilla: other way around, the sd-card interferes with the gps Sep 06 16:41:12 oh, yes, it might be harder to get an initial fix if you're doing SD I/O at the time. Sep 06 16:41:13 right... Sep 06 16:41:13 Zilla, not only then, but the gps needs a better signal at that point so it's more visible Sep 06 16:41:14 cjb: anyway, do you know why is it jumping all around when I am standing in 1 posisiton? is that a software problem in tangoGPS? Sep 06 16:41:25 LionKMP: maybe it doesn't have a good lock yet Sep 06 16:41:53 but some units have the interference problems and some not right? Sep 06 16:42:08 it always display speed 0.1 to 4.0 when we are standing, directions vary. Sep 06 16:42:26 a lot of updates today Sep 06 16:42:28 good lord Sep 06 16:42:48 tkep: for Om 2008.8? Sep 06 16:42:52 packages? Sep 06 16:42:56 yeah Sep 06 16:43:14 cool! (finding user guide about opkg update....! :) ) Sep 06 16:46:28 what's the right way to make DNS values staying between boots? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking does not really offer a way. Sep 06 16:49:36 hello, does anyone knows the good AT commands to call someone? Sep 06 16:49:37 LionKMP: up echo 'nameserver 123.123.123.123' > /etc/resolv.conf Sep 06 16:49:47 ok Sep 06 16:49:50 LionKMP: add this at the end of the iface usb0 stanza Sep 06 16:50:03 because i've NO CARRIER as response when i dial with my nozomi card Sep 06 16:50:11 ok, hm, this should be mentioned on that page somewhere :( Sep 06 16:50:36 LionKMP: it's a wiki, you can add it :) Sep 06 16:50:37 I add it Sep 06 16:50:40 :D Sep 06 16:50:45 LionKMP: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS Sep 06 16:50:48 LionKMP: it is Sep 06 16:51:26 wow, true. thanks. Sep 06 17:01:58 Signature check failed Sep 06 17:02:08 that's from opkg update. 404 error for the .sig file. Sep 06 17:02:36 LionKMP: that's okay Sep 06 17:02:48 ah, ok :-D Sep 06 17:02:55 sorry, didn't try continuing. Sep 06 17:17:07 :O Sep 06 17:27:19 moo Sep 06 17:27:50 did one of you render osm maps using osmarender/xslt yet? Sep 06 17:29:29 Tanuva: on the FreeRunner? Sep 06 17:29:33 (SCNR) Sep 06 17:30:39 no, on the desktop :) Sep 06 17:31:41 what leads to my problem: I first tried whole europe and now reduced to germany/england, but xmlstarlet (which renders osm data to svg) still fills whole ram and swap (both ~2gig) after a few seconds Sep 06 17:32:26 I just flashed the 2008.8 update image from yesterday - anybody know the root password? Sep 06 17:32:52 empty? Sep 06 17:33:16 Doesn't work for me. Sep 06 17:33:55 D'oh! Nevermind... ssh'ing to 192.168.0.200 is very different from 192.168.0.202... :) Sep 06 17:34:06 :P Sep 06 17:34:07 dwaas Sep 06 17:38:11 maybe try sudo passwd root in the terminal.... Sep 06 17:38:12 Tanuva: i sometimes run tilesAtHome and it manages to fill my 4GB of ram with a single tiles, Sep 06 17:38:23 and set an new password that way adsllc Sep 06 17:39:18 Zilla: The image doesn't have terminal installed, so that wouldn't work. In any event, I just had my IP addresses mixed up - forget it! Sep 06 17:39:22 mac2k: hm. so how is one supposed to render own maps instead of script-downloading (does such exist?) tiles from osm.org? (which in the end saves their bandwith)... *g* Sep 06 17:39:38 seems like theres no go with less than 8gig of ram... Sep 06 17:40:43 and you dont have it connnected via wifi.... Sep 06 17:40:48 ZILLA! Sep 06 17:40:51 and ssh into via the wifi Sep 06 17:40:57 Yes?:S Sep 06 17:40:59 :D Sep 06 17:41:01 Hallo :] Sep 06 17:41:04 Ey Sep 06 17:41:09 hoe gaat het? :P Sep 06 17:41:23 goed... met jou.?:S Sep 06 17:41:30 zeer goed :D Sep 06 17:41:37 mokomokomoko Sep 06 17:41:38 :D Sep 06 17:41:49 nom nom nom. Sep 06 17:43:59 Tanuva: tangogps can download tiles from osm.org, if using the vecort files u usually only render the images you neet at the moment Sep 06 17:44:28 yes, but I'm going to london in a few weeks and don't want to download tiles over gprs on a foreign gsm net... ;) Sep 06 17:44:44 hey all, does anyone know why opkg keeps telling me the package is not for my configuration when im trying to use arm4t packages? Sep 06 17:44:51 and scrolling over to london here isn't the perfect solution either since it doesn't download some tiles for some reason Sep 06 17:44:56 then i would try some vector osm viewer Sep 06 17:45:04 navit uses vector files Sep 06 17:46:47 hello, does someone knows AT commands Sep 06 17:46:48 ? Sep 06 17:46:58 atd for dailing ;) Sep 06 17:47:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands ;) Sep 06 17:48:53 Tanuva: take a look at this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Rana Sep 06 17:52:28 Zilla, thanks but when i do ATD on my nozomi card it says NO CARRIER but mabe it's because the card and the sim are specialy for gprs/edge Sep 06 17:53:08 well as far as i know..... usb-gprs/umts modems dont support dailing ;) Sep 06 17:53:56 Zilla, the problem is that i want to know my phone number... Sep 06 17:54:24 Ah.... well just call someone wich has nummerrecognition turned on Sep 06 17:54:51 Zilla, but as the card doesn't support calling(and it's a pc-card...) Sep 06 17:54:53 but you have to call in non-anonymous mode ;) Sep 06 17:54:53 mac2k: rana looks interesting ... u tried it? Sep 06 17:55:01 hi, i have a problem with echo during call (i tried Om2007, latest Om2008, qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot, not tried FSO nor debian). the only really usable workaround is probably to use the headphones with micro (headset). Sep 06 17:55:01 but i need for the qtopia/Omxxx to load the exact one profile for alsa ([gsm]headset.state file) -- but the phone itself switches to some defaults, and i can change it only during the call (alsactl -f restore) Sep 06 17:55:01 finally the question: Sep 06 17:55:01 is there any way how to tell the fr to load a particular alsa state file during a call? Sep 06 17:55:28 Zilla, mabe i should send a sms? Sep 06 17:55:37 you could try that... Sep 06 17:55:39 mac2k: looks promising... :) Sep 06 17:55:40 Zilla,as it supports recieving sms Sep 06 17:57:13 Zilla, thanks a lot i'll try that... Sep 06 17:57:45 or put the simcard in an normal phone and send an sms/call Sep 06 17:59:37 is there a log file somewhere which i can check for problems with GSM registration? Sep 06 17:59:49 (in OM2008.8-update) Sep 06 18:03:34 iirc there was a wiki page about (non-)working sim cards Sep 06 18:04:29 wiki wiki wiki Sep 06 18:05:43 dave dave dave Sep 06 18:06:19 aids aids aids Sep 06 18:06:23 spam spam spam Sep 06 18:06:34 badgers? Sep 06 18:06:37 spam spam spam spam spam eggs bacon and spam Sep 06 18:06:37 * sicu goes back to his corner Sep 06 18:06:37 mushroom! Sep 06 18:06:49 * Dave invites sicu out of his corner Sep 06 18:06:56 =D Sep 06 18:07:52 whatcha fiddeling with dave? Sep 06 18:08:03 you're way too quiet :p Sep 06 18:08:20 >:) Sep 06 18:08:23 How did you guess :D Sep 06 18:08:37 Just, you know... Sep 06 18:08:41 evilness! :P Sep 06 18:08:47 maybe he found the holy grail of the freerunnners Sep 06 18:08:51 * Dave hides Sep 06 18:09:16 and now he plays with it all the time Sep 06 18:09:49 Dave: got you: you are sending your position via tangogps Sep 06 18:10:43 ABORT! ABORT! Sep 06 18:11:08 * sicu doesnt believe in FR mythology Sep 06 18:11:24 it seems to send the position without asking me about that Sep 06 18:11:33 my position was tagged with average joe Sep 06 18:15:05 Tanuva: there is, but the only log stuff refers to the old-style gsmd stuff which 2008.8 doesn't use Sep 06 18:16:20 Zilla, AT+CMGF=1;AT+CMGS="phonenumber",145 i typed a message and made ctrl+z...the terminal said: +CMGS: 1 ...before I also tried without the 145 and it said +CMGS: 0...but i didn't receive any message... Sep 06 18:16:48 well cant you just put that simcard in an normal cellphone? Sep 06 18:16:58 and text that way? Sep 06 18:17:18 Zilla, ok i'll try... Sep 06 18:17:43 and did the at+cmgf did say OK? Sep 06 18:18:00 yes it did Sep 06 18:18:45 and you phonenumber is in the +landcode+phonenumber Sep 06 18:18:52 like +31 for holland ;) Sep 06 18:19:05 Zilla, ah...i used 0039phonenumber... Sep 06 18:19:13 thats OKe :) Sep 06 18:19:19 ok Sep 06 18:23:18 is there any way to charge my freerunner while using an external disk connected to a usb hub? Sep 06 18:24:25 active hubs? Sep 06 18:24:51 ronny, what do you mean? Sep 06 18:25:04 bye i'll go Sep 06 18:25:09 Bye Sep 06 18:25:30 faltantornillos: active usb hubs got power supplies, so it might work Sep 06 18:25:32 re Sep 06 18:26:45 when i connect my freerunner to power, it starts to boot and power off a few seconds after... Sep 06 18:27:13 is this normal? i think if it started to boot the charging logic should already be up Sep 06 18:27:48 (connect to power -> usb) Sep 06 18:28:02 fish: normal for freerunner Sep 06 18:29:42 mwester: well, but its not charging. do it really need to fully boot until the battery can be charged?! Sep 06 18:34:44 fish: if it cannot even start to boot, it will slowly trickle charge (veeeerrrrry slowly). If it boots, but cannot bring up the USB completely (enough to ensure that 500ma charge current is available), then it will default to 100ma charge; if the battery has insufficient capacity, that's not enough to keep it running, and it will shut down again. Sep 06 18:35:36 FR? Sep 06 18:35:45 fish: so plug it into it's provided wall charger (preferred), or to a host that can bring up the USB networking interface (so it will have at least 500ma to use), or just leave it alone for a while (plugged in) until the battery has enough capacity to fully boot the device. Sep 06 18:35:53 mwester: well i have it connected to my thinkpad which should deliver 500ma.. Sep 06 18:36:01 Windows? Sep 06 18:36:06 no, linux Sep 06 18:36:23 FxChiP: Freerunner - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner Sep 06 18:36:39 No, I meant -- was he referring to it? Sep 06 18:36:51 Ok, then the host should recognize the device and it should enumerate. But I do think that at least some of the USB ports on the Thinkpads are NOT 500ma. Sep 06 18:36:53 thinkpad here and no problems Sep 06 18:36:54 and it gets setup as cdc_acm, i guess it does not start to the point were it setup cdc_ether.. Sep 06 18:37:13 A freerunner would still be kick-ass by the way Sep 06 18:37:20 FxChiP: heh, that's what I get for answering "questions" without having the context ;) Sep 06 18:37:37 Kensan, not your fault, I should have provided context :) Sep 06 18:37:48 where does the qtopia music player search for music? Sep 06 18:38:03 everywhere it can Sep 06 18:38:14 FxChiP: well, one could argue... ;) Sep 06 18:38:39 there is a application in the qtopia menu that rescan your storage and updates the info found Sep 06 18:38:41 True, but I'm outright saying I should have provided context, and your response was valid and helpful :) Sep 06 18:38:42 apollo13: it scans the sd card and builds a database of content. Sep 06 18:38:55 mwester: hmm does it support mp3? Sep 06 18:39:13 dunno. I'd like it to support phone calls first. Sep 06 18:39:23 hehe me too Sep 06 18:39:29 the sound is somewhat crackling Sep 06 18:40:03 It works better than the other images, and seems to register ok for everyone else, but I can't get any newer firmware images to register with any SIMs I have, on any network :( Sep 06 18:40:16 mwester: so the power consumption of the freerunner is higher than the 100mA which the usb port might deliever? Sep 06 18:40:26 Far higher Sep 06 18:40:32 mwester: Qtopia supports mp3 Sep 06 18:40:48 mwester: that isnt possible on this usb port, i charged the device several times on this port.. Sep 06 18:40:55 (and is the only firmware to register my sim too) Sep 06 18:40:57 FxChiP: well then I agree and completely blame you for my humble mistake *heh* Sep 06 18:41:01 tuXXX: you use it? where do you put the mp3 files? Sep 06 18:41:11 mwester: but now i only see the bootsplash and it turns off again Sep 06 18:41:29 apollo13: on the SD card Sep 06 18:41:40 tuXXX: is the partition important? Sep 06 18:42:01 are folders allowed? Sep 06 18:42:07 when I used it that way, I only had one vfat partition Sep 06 18:42:18 ok I have etx2 Sep 06 18:42:19 I think it worked with any folder Sep 06 18:42:22 fish, when you see the bootsplash.. do you see the boot menu? Sep 06 18:42:25 mounted at /media/card Sep 06 18:42:27 fish: the device takes >100ma to boot up; far more than that while the GSM is active, and then add the wifi and the GPS on top of it, and it will discharge the battery flat on just 100ma of current. Sep 06 18:42:28 does anyone knows if the sound profiles in the "options" menu during boot are somewhat configurable? Sep 06 18:42:40 rafa: nope Sep 06 18:42:53 fish: ah.. okey, only the bootsplash Sep 06 18:43:06 now i boot with another battery Sep 06 18:43:21 hope i can change them Sep 06 18:47:42 * AJuOnLiNE waives hello to everyone Sep 06 18:54:04 [Bug] #1970: ar6k does not print newline after disconnect message ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1970 ) Sep 06 18:55:14 It may sound a bit dumb, but: how do you play snake? Sep 06 18:55:41 with the up, down, left and right buttons on your keyboard ;) Sep 06 18:57:12 and now question 2, whih is an extended version of question 1: ho do you play it with the neo Sep 06 18:57:28 not with the keyboard, do you? Sep 06 19:14:20 btw: that didn't work.. it booted with the other battery but after i remove it it turns off, even after it was fully booted Sep 06 19:23:44 hey. anyone know why i can't hear the other party nor can they hear me when i call someone? using 2008.8 Sep 06 19:27:35 umm. let me guess. because someone stole your neo? Sep 06 19:27:50 Amorphous: check mixer settings Sep 06 19:30:09 err i mean it works both ways when i call someone but it doesn't when i am called Sep 06 19:30:23 harnir, could that still be the fault of mixer settings? Sep 06 19:30:51 Amorphous: does sound work when are not calling someone? Sep 06 19:31:03 try playing some songs/samples Sep 06 19:32:37 harnir, i heard the ringing once and the alarm from the clock... though mediaplayer doesn't want to start playing Sep 06 19:33:42 Amorphous: the thruth is I don't use 2008.8, so I don't know... try looking for .state files on the wiki, or try to setup mixer settings and write them in gsmhandset.state, maybe that will help... Sep 06 19:34:33 so it's entirely possible that it works when calling but not when being called? Sep 06 19:35:10 no idea :-) Sep 06 19:35:48 thank you anyway :) Sep 06 19:50:58 what filesystem would you use on the SD card? it's currently VFAT, it was delivered with this. Sep 06 19:51:13 default FR microSD 512MB Sep 06 19:56:37 ext2/3 depending on how paranoid you're feeling about the small amount of extra wear caused by 3's journaling, and how much you really want it anyway not to have to fsck when your neo crashes or runs out of battery ;) Sep 06 19:57:33 hm, ok, so not vfat at all :) ok, I'll format it before starting to fill. Sep 06 19:57:49 heh, actually that falls under the "don't fix somethingthat's not broken" ideology Sep 06 19:58:03 is fat working for you? if yes, then don't change it Sep 06 19:58:24 fat gets inconvenient if you want to eg. install software there Sep 06 19:58:25 I didn't try yet. I didn't see fat since like floppies were used or so. Sep 06 19:58:30 s/software/packages/ Sep 06 19:58:31 mjr meant: fat gets inconvenient if you want to eg. install packages there Sep 06 19:58:33 if you need permissions, sym links, etc ... then perhaps ext2/3... but remember that fat is "unversal" and can be read an essentially any OS, where ext2 cannot Sep 06 19:58:35 OSM maps first. Sep 06 19:58:50 anyway, cannot umount. any ideas what may be using it? Sep 06 19:58:56 mjr, how so? it's not like you don't run everything as root already :P Sep 06 19:59:34 well, I'll format it on PC :) Sep 06 20:00:09 ieatlint, okay, permissions aren't currently so hot, but linkage and stuff might be warranted... Sep 06 20:00:41 Has there been any work on getting any of the images to not run as root? Sep 06 20:00:44 if you want to be able to read the card in windows or mac (or crazy obscure OSs, or game consoles), you'll generally want fat Sep 06 20:01:02 mjr, hence me saying if you wanted symlinks, use ext2/3 :) Sep 06 20:01:04 ok, I don't want that, I don't have that stuff. :) Sep 06 20:01:28 I don't even wanna take it off, unless replacing to a larger one :) Sep 06 20:01:36 as I can't connect to quakenet irc net from the FR as the k-line people connnecting as root :( Sep 06 20:01:38 ieatlint, yes you did say that. And packages do want links. Yet you still asked :] Sep 06 20:01:58 I'm having troubles with wget: it downloads web pages, but not archives ... Sep 06 20:02:02 mjr, often not in the binary destinations :) Sep 06 20:02:14 and if and if, but the card is hard to remove, and as for usb transfer, usbnet is saner most often Sep 06 20:02:27 Deubeuliou: that sounds very odd, are you sure you are not behind a proxy? Sep 06 20:02:43 I am behind my computer, with IP translation Sep 06 20:02:53 Deubeuliou, what do you mean by archives? Sep 06 20:03:05 an ipk package, or an edj theme Sep 06 20:03:10 like ... .ar files, .tar ... or do you mean recurisvely downloading to archive a site Sep 06 20:03:24 yeah, you got somehting crazy going on :P Sep 06 20:03:40 never had any issues with wget not grabbing a specific filetype hence the question about a proxy Sep 06 20:03:46 no, I'm not doing recursive download Sep 06 20:03:53 just trying to wget a single file Sep 06 20:04:05 what error does it give you? Sep 06 20:05:11 nothing ... "Connecting to thing.com (a.b.c.d:80)" Sep 06 20:05:22 and the download bar doesn't appear Sep 06 20:05:31 (I just managed to wget a PNG) Sep 06 20:05:55 and downloading text (eg, html) from the same website works? Sep 06 20:06:28 mmmh It works now .... Sep 06 20:06:45 could just be packet loss Sep 06 20:06:58 yeds, likely Sep 06 20:07:19 mjr, btw, have you heard om talk at all about moving away from the everything as root policy? Sep 06 20:07:31 i haven't been following in here much for a couple weeks now Sep 06 20:08:14 not really, but I've not been very following either Sep 06 20:08:22 it somehow unsettles me that i could go register a 1-900 number, then start releasing programs for the OM that call the number in the background Sep 06 20:09:52 personally more pressingly, I want FSO to be stable enough and that stable enough packaged for debian so I can switch back to that, 'cause I like it. But I would prefer for it to do some privilege separation as well ;P Sep 06 20:10:01 how's it going with my homies? :P Sep 06 20:10:27 ieatlint, I'll take some action on that! Sep 06 20:10:29 :P Sep 06 20:10:35 fso is moving very quickly, they've closed like 10 bugs in the past 3 days Sep 06 20:10:38 at least 10 Sep 06 20:10:44 oo Sep 06 20:10:45 woo Sep 06 20:10:48 I tried running fso-unstable Sep 06 20:10:49 and zhone's home screen now has more than 4 icons Sep 06 20:10:51 and the dialer was greyed out Sep 06 20:10:53 go go gadget bugfixes! Sep 06 20:10:56 and messages/address book too Sep 06 20:11:00 anyone know what's up with that? Sep 06 20:11:03 :P Sep 06 20:11:08 cjb, it's greyed out if you aren't registred on a network Sep 06 20:11:14 oh snaps Sep 06 20:11:18 woot, mickeyl was hinting that they were pushing for Milestone 3 this weekend or soon :) Sep 06 20:11:23 is there a way to trigger registering? Sep 06 20:11:24 seems to happen only on first boot after flashing for me Sep 06 20:11:28 because sometimes I need to try more than once to register Sep 06 20:11:36 with fso-testing, tapping the dialer tries to register Sep 06 20:11:45 so I can just tap it more than once if it fails at first Sep 06 20:11:46 yeah, i dunno Sep 06 20:12:00 one would hope it has a method of continuing its attempt to register Sep 06 20:12:01 d'oh. sounds like new FSO is going to be hard for me to use. :/ Sep 06 20:12:42 2008.9 with debian on sdcard is a better way to go Sep 06 20:13:03 I don't like qpe very much Sep 06 20:13:10 Dave, i wrote a front end and plugin system to use with liblate last night... if i actually do any work today, i could have a plugin that mimmicks nextbus's simplistic bus predictions in like 2 hours Sep 06 20:13:29 then u can still save the tango maps to debian from openmoko Sep 06 20:14:00 what are liblate and nextbus? Sep 06 20:14:05 oh hot Sep 06 20:14:19 ooh Sep 06 20:14:20 bus predictions Sep 06 20:14:21 I see Sep 06 20:14:27 ieatlint, while that's great, I can't stand their fucking interface and would do anything to get away from it :P Sep 06 20:14:30 yep, and liblate is a library for nextbus Sep 06 20:14:40 So my drive for the project was to get away from their terrible prediction system. Sep 06 20:14:45 Dave, hey, it's all about small steps :P Sep 06 20:14:46 or at least the interface, anyway! Sep 06 20:14:53 well, true enough Sep 06 20:14:58 come on, I can't overwork you here? :D Sep 06 20:15:07 aw, doesn't have anything for MA Sep 06 20:15:10 i'm writing something with the intent that others can add functionality themselves Sep 06 20:15:12 heh Sep 06 20:15:33 or rewrite portions of it :P Sep 06 20:15:37 hence, it's a true plugin system, you just drop the plugin object file into the plugin directory, and you can use it Sep 06 20:15:39 * Dave coughs quietly Sep 06 20:15:52 liblate is a mess, and it will stay that way for a couple weeks at least :P Sep 06 20:15:54 you drop it, and it's like BAM, right in yer program! Sep 06 20:16:02 ieatlint, uggh, okay Sep 06 20:16:06 I hope your demo went well though :) Sep 06 20:16:14 Did you impress everybody with your elite skills? Sep 06 20:16:22 and your wild accomplishments. Sep 06 20:16:33 sorry, but cleaning up code is boring, and i should be collaboratng with another guy in person very soon Sep 06 20:16:42 Dave, most were just confused :P Sep 06 20:16:46 oh heh Sep 06 20:16:51 man, you're cheating on me now!? Sep 06 20:16:54 :O Sep 06 20:16:55 it was a "users" group, not a "dev" group :P Sep 06 20:17:00 heh, I suppose... Sep 06 20:17:02 but still Sep 06 20:17:17 yeah, some were quite intrigued Sep 06 20:17:35 Man, I'm slightly offended. Sep 06 20:17:40 :P Sep 06 20:17:45 I want to work too! Sep 06 20:17:47 jerk :P Sep 06 20:17:52 i need to start organising it all better Sep 06 20:17:57 no kidding Sep 06 20:18:00 hah Sep 06 20:18:07 Following clate was kind of... uhh Sep 06 20:18:21 well, trying to get it to work was clearly not the best route... :) Sep 06 20:18:22 clate is bad, don't touch it Sep 06 20:18:29 well I gave up :p Sep 06 20:18:40 I'm like, lint is cool, but fuck this shit, I'm doing my own :D Sep 06 20:18:58 clearly it was a test app developed 'as you were going along', am I right? ;) Sep 06 20:18:59 what i'm writing now, as i implement the simplistic prediction plugin, i plan on modifying the library as i go along to make implementation of the library easier Sep 06 20:19:06 go go plugin system! Sep 06 20:19:18 soon our library will take over the nations buses! Sep 06 20:19:32 then in the next 2 weeks, i plan on breaking up the library into several object files (compiled still into a single shared libary), so that it's easier to read Sep 06 20:20:01 and then i am going to start documenting the api in a wiki Sep 06 20:20:07 nooooooooooooo Sep 06 20:20:13 what, the SEC got to you, too? :P Sep 06 20:20:21 ? Sep 06 20:20:24 nevermind Sep 06 20:20:29 securities and exchange commission? Sep 06 20:20:29 a single shared lib? Sep 06 20:20:46 Dave, yeah, liblate is already a single shared library... liblate.so Sep 06 20:20:56 lint, will it become part of your preexisting "awesome" wiki/website/pedia/thing? Sep 06 20:21:03 Strippers Executive Committee?? Sep 06 20:21:29 Dave, heh, i installed mediawiki on a server, so it won't be completely hackish :P Sep 06 20:22:06 but its mediawiki, how can it NOT be completely hackish Sep 06 20:22:16 :) Sep 06 20:22:20 haha Sep 06 20:22:25 it's all relative Sep 06 20:22:38 ronny, oh, take your hate elsewhere, you bloodthirsty germanmonger :p Sep 06 20:22:43 compared to what i do that's hackish... :) Sep 06 20:22:46 :D Sep 06 20:22:52 go go batmon! Sep 06 20:22:54 haha Sep 06 20:23:01 oh shit, I should find that batmon patch I made... Sep 06 20:23:10 I meant to email it to you like a week ago :x Sep 06 20:23:23 i like to write those programs that inexplicably work fine when running in valgrind without error, but segfault without valgrind Sep 06 20:23:35 hah Sep 06 20:23:38 oh gee, great Sep 06 20:23:44 thats why i gave up on c#+ Sep 06 20:23:48 so they "barely work" :P Sep 06 20:23:50 -"#+" Sep 06 20:24:01 usualy c is just wasting time Sep 06 20:24:02 sea sharp plus? Sep 06 20:24:12 C is life? Sep 06 20:24:23 c is wasting lifes Sep 06 20:24:24 c has some missing things, but i love it Sep 06 20:24:26 whoever controls the source controls the universe? Sep 06 20:24:30 oh wait, that's oil, sorry :) Sep 06 20:24:45 lint likes it down 'n dirty :P Sep 06 20:24:51 Dave: nah, for the universe it was tritioum, ask the klingons Sep 06 20:24:51 i want exception handling :( Sep 06 20:24:56 heh Sep 06 20:25:07 c is just not suitable for anything thats above system level Sep 06 20:25:15 I thought that was /etc/apt/sources.list Sep 06 20:25:18 i disagree Sep 06 20:25:25 i have this odd appreciation for native code Sep 06 20:25:41 stupid stuff runs faster and uses less system resources Sep 06 20:26:16 well, better compilers kick ass Sep 06 20:26:28 as the old adage goes, WHY USE PEARL!? C IS FASTAR?!?!? Sep 06 20:26:42 don't even start on perl ... Sep 06 20:26:45 :D Sep 06 20:26:48 Yes please. Sep 06 20:26:50 perl is hackish Sep 06 20:26:53 all the time thats wasted to coding c should be used to make compilers yank out better code Sep 06 20:26:56 Which is great Sep 06 20:27:09 in the end we might get speed and easy code Sep 06 20:27:12 ronny, i wouldn't say i wasted time Sep 06 20:27:22 oh ffs we all ready have six stacks, the last thing we need is perl getting involved :P :) Sep 06 20:27:23 and i find c pretty easy :P Sep 06 20:27:29 of course he didn't, just ask the others who attended the user group meeting :P Sep 06 20:27:36 wouldn't they agree? :P Sep 06 20:27:52 ronny, so what language(s) do you like? Sep 06 20:27:56 oh great Sep 06 20:27:57 LionKMP: given the stuff like ownership issues for pointers, lack of any buildin savety nets, its just not woth it Sep 06 20:27:59 not this again... Sep 06 20:28:26 ieatlint: vala/python Sep 06 20:28:40 someone was telling me to learn vala Sep 06 20:28:47 its cool Sep 06 20:28:48 to simplify gtk stuffs Sep 06 20:29:11 bascially vala puts the c# syntax and savety on top of gobject Sep 06 20:29:14 its a pleasure Sep 06 20:29:28 most the pointer-headaches get removed Sep 06 20:29:34 who's pleasure? Sep 06 20:29:43 the safety net isn't much concern mine... garbage collection isn't my problem Sep 06 20:29:46 vala Sep 06 20:29:52 ieatlint, apparently not! :P Sep 06 20:30:03 * Dave laughs Sep 06 20:30:08 and pointers are one thing i understand very well Sep 06 20:30:11 ieatlint: dealing with pointers is one of the main fuckup causes Sep 06 20:30:42 ronny: ? Sep 06 20:30:46 well, vala is great because you don't have to mess with gobject/gtk macros too :) Sep 06 20:31:13 it doesnt matter that a few people can handle them, i claim that for every coder thats able to handle pointers, there are at least 100 which cant Sep 06 20:31:51 LionKMP: sorry, tab-complete accident Sep 06 20:32:00 ok :) Sep 06 20:32:03 ronny, well, i'm not necessarily saying everyone should use c Sep 06 20:32:12 i like c, i like its low level Sep 06 20:32:49 well, i love the low-level too, but for many things its just unnecessary and doenst yield great gains Sep 06 20:32:51 I like both (and perl, python, ruby...) Sep 06 20:33:01 there's no such thing as pointer-headaches, only pointer-pleasure Sep 06 20:33:01 i like taking linked lists and looping them back to the start of the list to make infinite loops damnit Sep 06 20:33:07 I just use the right tool :p Sep 06 20:33:35 ieatlint: keeping others away from your precious code thru horrorß Sep 06 20:33:38 ? Sep 06 20:33:47 immer Sep 06 20:34:27 well, im mostly into getting rid of all things that are common fuckups Sep 06 20:34:42 before i release code, i remove all the newline characters from the file and don't include a custom typedef headerfile that renames all the standard types to seemingly random things so you can't figure out what they are Sep 06 20:34:44 and c is a common fuckup, many people are simply unable to handle it Sep 06 20:35:16 i want many people to hack my code Sep 06 20:35:58 well, at the very least, libraries should be written in a native code Sep 06 20:36:09 well, I don't know if there is more people able to hack python/vala/C#/java code than C/C++ code Sep 06 20:36:11 i dont think so Sep 06 20:36:15 maybe C#/java Sep 06 20:36:19 what language can I write an application in, which can be used on other mobile platforms as well.. like say Symbian ? Sep 06 20:36:41 visual basic Sep 06 20:36:43 tuXXX: if i can learn python in 3 hours, most people should be able to pull it off in a few days Sep 06 20:36:54 Is anyone using Network-Manager for wifi? Sep 06 20:37:03 ronny, i similarly learnt it in a matter of hours... but i still don't like it :) Sep 06 20:37:04 ieatlint: that is fuUny :P Sep 06 20:37:15 ieatlint: why not ? Sep 06 20:37:40 because i love c, and it shields me too much from anything low level Sep 06 20:37:57 ieatlint: makes me about a factor of 10 more productive, and all i do with it is writing tools that mostly just wait in c written mainloops anyway Sep 06 20:38:00 ronny: as soon as you know how languages work, one new language is not much, but if you don't know any language, then I don't know if it's possible to understand python in 3 hours (I'd say no) Sep 06 20:38:18 ronny, it has it's place, i realise Sep 06 20:38:26 it allows you to develop very quickly, for sure Sep 06 20:38:37 but i still feel restricted on what i can do Sep 06 20:38:54 and when i wrote an app in python, then ported it to c, and noticed it used half as much memory... i wasn't encouraged Sep 06 20:38:56 c has other restrictions cause its so LOW level Sep 06 20:39:06 i am trying to work on a solution to use Openmoko FreeRunner into a Data reporting tool for Sahana. For instance in the current situation http://tinyurl.com/sahana-hindi Sep 06 20:39:14 memory consumption is to be expected tho Sep 06 20:39:16 * cjb uses both C and Python, and can't possibly imagine writing string-heavy scripts in C. Sep 06 20:39:16 Can i ask questions here, which can be patiently replied :) Sep 06 20:39:20 after all its an interpreter Sep 06 20:39:33 Sahana is a FOSS Disaster Management System Sep 06 20:39:42 ronny: no more than java's an interpreter. Sep 06 20:39:47 (which it isn't) Sep 06 20:40:05 cjb: well, java is jited these days, python isnt Sep 06 20:40:12 yeah Sep 06 20:40:21 back in the old days java was a bytecode interpreter Sep 06 20:40:32 uh Sep 06 20:40:32 people are working on python JITs, pypy mainly. Sep 06 20:40:34 anyway, i'll stick to my c code these days Sep 06 20:40:36 * Dave enjoys his popcorn Sep 06 20:41:05 Dave: copy that bag of popcorn over here please Sep 06 20:41:13 AJuOnLiNE: I had never heard of Sahana before, looks an interesting project. I can't really help with translations though :9 Sep 06 20:41:15 oh, you're enjoying this too? :) Sep 06 20:41:16 String-heavy scripts in C is not that bad if you know what the hell you're doing Sep 06 20:41:20 :( even Sep 06 20:41:36 Tig| : thanks I am not looking for translations here in the openmoko channel.. Sep 06 20:41:38 i agree with FxChiP Sep 06 20:41:46 yeah, it's longer Sep 06 20:41:54 Tig|: i am to work on using Openmoko phone as a disaster reporting device Sep 06 20:42:04 so kinda will be writing an application on the device.. Sep 06 20:42:08 s/on/for Sep 06 20:42:12 brb Sep 06 20:42:16 ah right and then posting to the webapp Sep 06 20:42:32 Tig| yes that is one thing we can do. Sep 06 20:42:34 Dave, btw, you missed an earthquake last night if you weren't in the area Sep 06 20:42:42 oh great Sep 06 20:42:53 one of the fun ones... 4.0, so some people are freaking out and everyone else is just laughing Sep 06 20:42:54 I leave the earthquake, only to be greeted by a hurricane Sep 06 20:42:55 so i need some patient developer/person who is aware of Openmoko development.. and can help me with some questions :) Sep 06 20:42:56 FxChiP: string, regexps, url downloading; all things I do in ten lines of python that I'd be impressed in seeing happen in less than 100 lines of C. Sep 06 20:42:57 Terrific! Sep 06 20:43:01 Best of both worlds... Sep 06 20:43:02 ot: oh my god: austria won 3:1 against france (soccer) Sep 06 20:43:04 Tig| i am a n00b here :D Sep 06 20:43:04 I mean, coasts :p Sep 06 20:43:07 and I spend more time writing C than Python, so I'm not a C hater. Sep 06 20:43:10 cjb, and? Sep 06 20:43:19 austria3-1france: LIKE OMG! Sep 06 20:43:22 cjb, this doesn't make C a bad language. Sep 06 20:43:25 Who cares about soccer? Sep 06 20:43:28 It just means Python coddles you for that bit. Sep 06 20:43:32 haha :p Sep 06 20:43:36 FxChiP: so, saying that people should only use C and not swap to python when they're doing something scriptish seems very inefficient. Sep 06 20:43:50 Dave: the europeans Sep 06 20:43:53 heh Sep 06 20:43:54 :P Sep 06 20:43:56 If you're doing any sort of "real" programming though, use C Sep 06 20:44:02 Tig| : this is my proposal Idea http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsjhvbz_26gdmnvfcv Sep 06 20:44:07 if you're a REAL man, use C :P Sep 06 20:44:13 cjb, i can do all in 10 lines of C Sep 06 20:44:27 in liblate, i download urls... takes like 4 or 5 lines Sep 06 20:44:28 haha, so it seemed in clate :P Sep 06 20:44:29 Python is great for whipping up a small script to fetch a file or two, but if you're writing anything with any complexity you should probably do it in C Sep 06 20:44:31 just many fold Sep 06 20:44:32 ieatlint: i think you will like vala, its exposing many usefull things and compiles down to c Sep 06 20:44:34 *shrug* I work on a desktop environment written in Python for my day job. Sep 06 20:44:42 * mwester can program an Excel spreadsheet to do sums, and even averages! Sep 06 20:44:43 (and write openmoko code in C some weekends.) Sep 06 20:44:51 ooooh Sep 06 20:44:53 cjb: open source? Sep 06 20:44:55 You work on a *DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT* written in *PYTHON!?* Sep 06 20:44:58 ronny: yes, OLPC/Sugar. Sep 06 20:44:58 cjb, stick to what you do best. Sep 06 20:45:02 yeah, let's all switch to excel Sep 06 20:45:02 kay Sep 06 20:45:05 Dave: which one is that? ;-) Sep 06 20:45:06 OLPC/Sugar I can accept Sep 06 20:45:06 cjb, we enjoy having you :) Sep 06 20:45:09 hehe Sep 06 20:45:09 If it were more full-featured than that Sep 06 20:45:11 cjb: ah, i kinda abadoned that one Sep 06 20:45:16 Then I'd have to eat you Sep 06 20:45:16 FxChiP, that's not that impressive Sep 06 20:45:25 FxChiP, isn't xfce written in python even? Sep 06 20:45:29 cjb, I think the verdict on that one is still out ;) Sep 06 20:45:32 xfce is c Sep 06 20:45:33 ieatlint, no, XFCE is C IIRC Sep 06 20:45:34 cjb: what desktop environment is that ? Sep 06 20:45:38 ieatlint: don't think so. Sep 06 20:45:46 CVirus: the Sugar environment that runs on the One Laptop per Child laptops. Sep 06 20:45:50 well then, i suppose i'm wrong Sep 06 20:45:51 If any real desktop environment were written in Python, there'd be something wrong with the developers Sep 06 20:46:03 ... Sep 06 20:46:04 i must destroy the evidence of my incorrectness and all the witnesses Sep 06 20:46:04 (Excluding Sugar) Sep 06 20:46:06 Tig|, although not running as root has it's use, just set your client to advertise a different login... Sep 06 20:46:17 FxChiP: why did you exclude sugar ? Sep 06 20:46:22 FxChiP: actually much in ubuntu/gnome already is python Sep 06 20:46:25 Because Sugar isn't a complex DE :) Sep 06 20:46:29 WHITE POWDER!? Sep 06 20:46:31 yeah, many gnome applets are python Sep 06 20:46:33 FxChiP: its not that much of an issue Sep 06 20:46:37 What exactly are we talking about here... Sep 06 20:46:38 lol dave Sep 06 20:46:40 Applets, okay. Sep 06 20:46:45 most OM apps are written in python .. right ? Sep 06 20:46:47 Desktop app/critical apps, not. Sep 06 20:46:48 :p Sep 06 20:46:50 this is why raster is mad Sep 06 20:46:51 lol Sep 06 20:46:52 FxChiP: you probably haven't seen much of what it can do. it merges presence and collaboration stuff into the UI in ways that the other DEs don't so far. Sep 06 20:46:54 FxChiP: most of the desktop env is mostly waiting for input Sep 06 20:46:55 AJuOnLiNE: an interesting and worthy concept. one thing that might be looking into is webcam support for taking pictures of found people Sep 06 20:47:10 raster's just a wiezened crankypants. Sep 06 20:47:15 Tig| yes its proposed in the GTA03 ? Sep 06 20:47:19 I think that puts it best :) Sep 06 20:47:34 cjb, yes, but it does one thing at a time Sep 06 20:47:49 tig, or make cheesey wanted posters for random people you see/meet? :P Sep 06 20:47:56 raster is cool Sep 06 20:48:04 undeniably Sep 06 20:48:09 i just feel like e17 is some sort of vaporware Sep 06 20:48:13 Amorphous: not sure I can in pidgin but that thought did cross my mind, that and seeing what broke if I changed the name of the root account as surely programs should be looking at the uid and gid.... :P Sep 06 20:48:16 heh Sep 06 20:48:21 i can get it now, but i question just the same if it'll ever be done Sep 06 20:48:24 He's like, come on guys, you know you want it! Sep 06 20:48:29 all the kids are doing it! Sep 06 20:48:30 :P Sep 06 20:48:37 e17 is lacking manpower Sep 06 20:48:47 like everything Sep 06 20:48:48 and i wont touch c for any compelx system Sep 06 20:48:55 bumble, it was you! Sep 06 20:48:59 hehe wired way of solving the problem :) Sep 06 20:49:01 raster spends too much time in his meth lab and selling to children Sep 06 20:49:12 heh Sep 06 20:49:15 good deal Sep 06 20:49:25 someone tell him i said that Sep 06 20:49:32 * FxChiP will later Sep 06 20:49:54 e17 is NOT vaporware Sep 06 20:49:58 E devs take their time Sep 06 20:50:04 haha Sep 06 20:50:09 uh huh Sep 06 20:50:15 they think 7 years is not enough .. lol Sep 06 20:50:22 :P Sep 06 20:50:28 it's like OSS vaporware though Sep 06 20:50:31 we can see the code and try it Sep 06 20:50:33 it's the most light weight wm you'll ever use by the way Sep 06 20:50:37 NUKEM! Sep 06 20:50:39 uh Sep 06 20:50:40 no Sep 06 20:50:40 but will it ever hit a release stage? Sep 06 20:50:40 flux Sep 06 20:50:44 e17 is impressive Sep 06 20:50:47 FxChiP: e17 is lighter Sep 06 20:50:51 Than fluxbox? Sep 06 20:50:53 Are you shitting me? Sep 06 20:50:56 CVirus, i'm in windowmaker right now Sep 06 20:50:56 they refuse bad apis Sep 06 20:51:05 I tried both for a long period of time Sep 06 20:51:13 and they know how to do base stuff REALLY good Sep 06 20:51:13 enough to decide Sep 06 20:51:13 here Sep 06 20:51:24 the result is that e17 outperforms anything else Sep 06 20:51:28 Raster reports that his SVN size is somewhere around 600-something MB Sep 06 20:51:29 true Sep 06 20:51:30 at least Sep 06 20:51:37 Tig| are you related to staffs.ac.uk ? Sep 06 20:51:47 Hmm Sep 06 20:51:57 AJuOnLiNE: nononononononono :) Sep 06 20:51:57 FxChiP: so its like 60mb worth of history data= Sep 06 20:52:03 even so Sep 06 20:52:13 FxChiP, what you want to say is that e17 is the most light weight desktop environment you'll ever use (and even then, things like xfce might beat it) Sep 06 20:52:20 Tig| ahem :P your whois kinda tells something :P Sep 06 20:52:21 I fail to see how it, with its multiple parts, is more lightweight than flux Sep 06 20:52:25 FxChiP: why do you think they are using illume in ASU ? Sep 06 20:52:38 flux's tar.bz2 is 767 K Sep 06 20:52:53 * FxChiP fetches e16 Sep 06 20:52:58 e16 is good too Sep 06 20:52:59 e16 is 1.7M Sep 06 20:53:13 e17 is turning into a full DE Sep 06 20:53:26 both not counting imlib Sep 06 20:54:21 soo... Sep 06 20:54:30 raster is one of those performance/optimization freaks ... you can trust his wm :-p Sep 06 20:54:43 when it comes to speed/performance I mean Sep 06 20:54:44 I can also trust a wm that I've seen run *very* smoothly on a Pentium I. Sep 06 20:54:49 (fluxbox) Sep 06 20:54:53 (running on a P166) Sep 06 20:55:17 I'm just sayin'. Sep 06 20:55:30 hot Sep 06 20:55:36 I'll take that action! Sep 06 20:55:53 FxChiP, oooooh... mmx? with edo ram? Sep 06 20:55:57 * mwester thinks arguing about which WM to use on Om is a theoretical exercise until the phone can suspend/resume and make phone calls... but the optimism in the group is a probably a good thing. Sep 06 20:55:58 yep Sep 06 20:56:09 I'm not arguing which WM to use Sep 06 20:56:09 very nice Sep 06 20:56:13 I'm arguing that flux is really, really light Sep 06 20:56:31 Or rather, that it's lighter than e16 (and most likely e17 unless they did a total rewrite) Sep 06 20:56:43 I had a phone call on FSO today, and seeing as it has my testing sim in I was quite supprised, could no answer it though Sep 06 20:57:07 mwester: what really bothers me is the suspend/resume issue Sep 06 20:57:23 mwester: I feel there's a hardware obstacle behind that Sep 06 20:57:26 I see that too. Sep 06 20:57:31 Dave, I believe it had less than 64 MB too Sep 06 20:57:33 or 64 tops Sep 06 20:58:14 oh snaps, mwester got in this here parlee Sep 06 20:58:19 CVirus: Andy keeps mentioning the "magic" he's developed to control suspend/resume sequencing in 2.6.26 -- but we still don't have any code to work with. :( And now Werner is working on GTA03. Sep 06 20:58:43 flux it like it's hot! Sep 06 20:58:48 Btw does someone knows when gta03 will be available? Sep 06 20:58:50 mwester: so andy is the one who is responsible for it right now Sep 06 20:59:07 Zilla: when it's ready Sep 06 20:59:09 I don't know honestly. It's beginning to feel a lot like the GTA01 Sep 06 20:59:10 ZILLA Sep 06 20:59:21 we almost never had a release date for the freerunner Sep 06 20:59:29 oke when its ready Sep 06 20:59:33 good answer Sep 06 20:59:37 Dave whats wring? Sep 06 20:59:40 *wrong? Sep 06 20:59:54 Just ignore Dave. Sep 06 20:59:58 le :) Sep 06 21:00:01 :( Sep 06 21:00:01 *ke Sep 06 21:00:08 Mwester, meaniepants. Sep 06 21:00:13 bumble ;) Sep 06 21:00:55 Dave: :D Sep 06 21:04:10 openmoko: 03zecke * ra1d8c1294df2 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qtextentryproxy.cpp: [qtopia] Abuse the QTextEntryProxy to get input itself Sep 06 21:04:11 openmoko: 03zecke * r906a00fdcb89 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (addressbook.cpp contactlistpane.cpp): [addressbook] Allow to show the Findbar to find contacts Sep 06 21:04:35 w00t Sep 06 21:04:57 just the feature I was looking for Sep 06 21:05:07 the FR is completely useful to me now Sep 06 21:05:23 ;) Sep 06 21:05:29 Fxchip, let's be friends. Sep 06 21:05:38 okay Dave Sep 06 21:05:56 :) Sep 06 21:06:09 is anyone else running flux on the phone? Sep 06 21:07:15 * FxChiP wouldn't run flux on the phone Sep 06 21:08:13 Somebody port Numpty Physics to the device; that might make it marginally more useful. Sep 06 21:08:19 already been done Sep 06 21:08:22 it's in the FSO images Sep 06 21:08:58 Hmmm.. so maybe I should fight with the wifi to make that work, so I install it, then... Sep 06 21:09:14 when OpenMoko stopped working on 2007.2, April? Sep 06 21:09:20 uh oh, it's harnir Sep 06 21:09:36 harnir: about then, or slightly earlier. Sep 06 21:09:38 Dave: I'm making a video about 2007.2 Sep 06 21:09:44 mwester: ok Sep 06 21:10:22 harnir: the community submitted some fixes and changes after that, but basically Openmoko quietly stopped working on it and shuffled people to go work on the horror that was ASU. Sep 06 21:10:55 which /sys entry was it one could turn the display backlight on with? Sep 06 21:11:09 mwester: well, it's currently must usable, apart from Qtopia, AFAIK Sep 06 21:11:17 'tis true. Sep 06 21:11:48 That's why the SHR project is using that code as a base, along with the FSO stuff. Sep 06 21:12:38 are the SHR people working with the 2007.2 versions of the apps or the upstream ones from the pimlico project? Sep 06 21:12:54 2007.2, AFAIK Sep 06 21:13:20 btw, it uses GTK2 or GTK+? Sep 06 21:17:33 grrr Sep 06 21:18:05 want to use the fr as my daily phone, but the 2008.8 update release just crashed on me Sep 06 21:19:21 and 2007.2 seems unable to read my sim card Sep 06 21:19:29 AntonTakk: qtopia? Sep 06 21:19:46 i'd rather stick to my razr than use qtopia Sep 06 21:19:53 why? Sep 06 21:20:46 the ui is anoying, and i can't get any of the more interesting apps on it like orrery, numtyphysics, the accelerometers alpha package, etc Sep 06 21:21:20 the media player can't be stopped once you get it going Sep 06 21:23:01 has a calendar app and a home app, but noone has bothered to display upcoming calendar entries on the home screen, and iirc, last i tested the calendar entries didn't actually alert like they were configured to Sep 06 21:23:42 and that works on the other images? Sep 06 21:24:00 no, but they don't have both of those components, either Sep 06 21:25:35 i like fso, but it won't meet even my basic needs untill ms3 is out Sep 06 21:31:03 which is more correct? ASU = April or August Software Update? Sep 06 21:31:45 Another Software Update :) Sep 06 21:31:54 nice one :-) Sep 06 21:33:05 hello, is there a screen brightness and dim control UI in 2008.8? Sep 06 21:33:12 yes Sep 06 21:33:15 in settings Sep 06 21:34:14 oh sorry dim is there but not brighteness as I see Sep 06 21:36:37 upps it don't enable backlight after dim :-) Sep 06 21:38:58 harnir: Maybe they promise April, but deliver in August? Sep 06 21:42:11 mwester: where did you read of Andy's promise about reliable suspend/resume with 2.6.26 ? Sep 06 21:53:40 Hi all Sep 06 21:55:29 Hi Sep 06 21:58:48 hi all Sep 06 21:59:15 This is my output from ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/m716522e9 Now I try to make ping to 192.168.0.202 and I get: "From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable". I have FSO Milestone 2 on gta02, but this image should work also, isn't it? Sep 06 22:00:06 you haven't conifugred correctly the pc-side , maybe? Sep 06 22:00:18 maybe it's because your other net is also 192.168 Sep 06 22:00:18 can you ping your moko from your host pc Sep 06 22:00:20 what's the netmask? Sep 06 22:01:43 Zilla: no I can not ping from the PC Sep 06 22:03:21 cjb: the mask is this Mask:255.255.255.0 for eth0 (PC) and usb0 (FR) Sep 06 22:04:40 ok Sep 06 22:08:21 offray_: you have a route for 192.168.0.202 to use usb0? Sep 06 22:09:15 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2b000ed0c208 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to Qtopia to be able to show the findbar in the addressbook app Sep 06 22:10:27 AntonTakk: I don't know. How Can I find it? Sep 06 22:33:29 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd2d4e27a111f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to Qtopia to be able to show the findbar in the addressbook app Sep 06 23:03:06 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/Packages has zero size, and has done for the last 6 hours or so. is this a problem, or just waiting for the daily build to finish (or similar)? Sep 06 23:05:45 Weiss: I think it is always a zero size Sep 06 23:06:20 for example http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/Packages is also a zero size and that is the feed I use to update my FSO image :) Sep 06 23:07:05 I think it probably should have a size if all the bells and whistles are running on the repository like .sig files for the feeds etc Sep 06 23:07:28 but I think a few processes are currently being skipped because everything is changing so rapidly Sep 06 23:07:56 Tig|: ah ok, it's the Packages.gz files inside the sub-folders which are important Sep 06 23:08:12 i was clearly having a separate problem when opkg update failed.. Sep 06 23:08:27 presumably but I am not an opkg scientist :) Sep 06 23:08:57 but by god I can cut and paste stuff off websites :) Sep 06 23:09:35 * Weiss installs "Stuff" Sep 06 23:10:13 actually thinking about it I don't think that the downloads.openmoko feed is being built daily as they now have dev and testing feeds Sep 06 23:10:20 bah. went to AT&T store, they only had 71234 D/G Sep 06 23:11:27 Tig|: yeah, presumably there aren't daily updates. i'm using the stable ASU stuff for now - exceeding my expectations so far... Sep 06 23:11:45 after i found that my new O2 SIM didn't work, but my old one was fine.. Sep 06 23:11:48 "Бах. спадна до най-& T магазина, те са само 71234 D / G" even in Bulgarian I don't understand that cjb :) Sep 06 23:12:03 Weiss: cool :) Sep 06 23:12:36 I am dreading going into the orange shop and asking them to swap my main sim Sep 06 23:13:00 because they will want to know why.... and then they will not understand.... Sep 06 23:13:19 Tig|: for an older one which is more compatible? Sep 06 23:13:31 well for one that will play nicely Sep 06 23:14:38 I have two here but have a couple of issues with both, but one has my main number attached to it and I am not allowed to put that back in the FR until the FSO gets decent text support Sep 06 23:15:27 well more accurately before there is decent text support in the interface :) Sep 06 23:25:46 hi Sep 06 23:43:51 be sure an get a sim that the contacts are more centered on the paper Sep 06 23:45:14 ?? Sep 06 23:59:24 Tig|_: as I understand it, one hypothesis for SIMs not working was that the contacts were shorted out by the SIM contacts being in the wrong position. AIUI it's been tested with some tape, and this wasn't teh cause. Sep 07 00:32:16 well thats good although tape does not change the alignment of contacts Sep 07 00:32:49 some contacts are much wider than others Sep 07 00:34:51 yes - however the SIM socket contacts are point contacts. Sep 07 00:35:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U woot Sep 07 00:35:19 And if the points that are touched by teh contacts on the socket are the correct contact, and don't short, then it's fine. Sep 07 00:35:22 (from planet moko) Sep 07 00:35:30 The actual design isn't important. Sep 07 00:35:58 * SpeedEvil sighs at not being able to youtube. Sep 07 00:36:13 (I'd have to get out of bed and fetch the mouse) Sep 07 00:36:19 duke nukem 3d on openmoko :) Sep 07 00:36:50 I'm so longing for mine.. On transit from UK to Sweden as we speak. Sep 07 00:37:21 ah Sep 07 00:42:00 think I'll hit the sack as well.... Sep 07 00:42:36 Night. Sep 07 00:42:41 night.. Sep 07 01:09:58 any debianites here? Sep 07 01:10:18 http://pastebin.com/m59eb2abd Sep 07 01:10:19 I'm sure I've seen their videos. Sep 07 01:10:48 i need some help with debian on sdcard Sep 07 01:13:13 gg h2o2 heat of dissociation mole Sep 07 01:13:14 oops Sep 07 01:14:03 uh Sep 07 01:21:17 (Computing the heat output of a H2O2->oxygen converter at resting oxygen demand, and athletic activity) Sep 07 01:23:05 uhm Sep 07 01:23:12 weirdo. Sep 07 01:23:53 I was idly wondering how hard a functional mermaid suit would be. Sep 07 01:26:09 jaajajajajja Sep 07 02:28:35 it was a good game rooly Sep 07 02:48:54 my debian sdcard is mo stable than my openmoko 2008.9 Sep 07 02:49:27 battery seems longerlasting by 4hours Sep 07 02:50:32 99fso ftw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 07 02:59:57 2008