**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 08 02:59:57 2008 Sep 08 03:10:45 nice rack Sep 08 03:12:34 ljp: receiving no such messages Sep 08 03:14:30 which version? the 4.3.2 release? Sep 08 03:14:53 yup Sep 08 03:16:10 well, you wouldnt see the messages, just the notification that you have a voicemail Sep 08 03:16:25 well, no notification Sep 08 03:17:07 missed 3 voice messages so far :-/ Sep 08 03:18:02 hmm Sep 08 03:18:46 anything I can poke to see what's wrong? Sep 08 03:20:58 raster: I leave my GTA01 running fso-testing on overnight, and find that enlightenment -profile fso is using 47.7% of the memory. Any ideas why? Sep 08 03:21:25 rwhitby: what build? Sep 08 03:21:55 it could have been the gsm gadget leak that should be fixed now Sep 08 03:22:11 hang on and I'll get a version number for you. it is a bit old since shr has been broken and I haven't been able to update it Sep 08 03:23:03 that may be why Sep 08 03:24:31 now that I have some feeds on a machine that I have root on, I can update it anywa Sep 08 03:25:06 Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.043+svnr35592-r11 to 0.16.999.043+svnr35727-r11... Sep 08 03:25:46 * rwhitby chuckles at people who have 0.xxx.yyyy.zzzz version numbers. Just increment the first number for chrissake! Sep 08 03:26:36 thats what svnrevs are for :) Sep 08 03:27:14 * rwhitby makes sure that version 7.8 is the first version that actually works, to train people that there's nothing magical about 1.0 ... Sep 08 03:28:14 * mwester_ is guilty of that; but blames vendor's marketing departments for training the public on version numbers. Sep 08 03:29:00 yeah Sep 08 03:29:33 raster: who's your marketing department that's forcing you to use 0.xxx.yyy ? Sep 08 03:30:10 just call it version 17.43 ... Sep 08 03:32:10 well its not e17 Sep 08 03:32:14 or 0.17 Sep 08 03:32:26 1.0 for me has been a goal meaning "i'm done - next project" Sep 08 03:32:46 so i'm not going to do 1.0 out of principle Sep 08 03:32:48 until i am done Sep 08 03:32:49 :) Sep 08 03:32:53 what a waste of a first digit :-) Sep 08 03:35:34 its there for ohthers to use after me Sep 08 03:35:35 :) Sep 08 03:36:10 Instead of version 1.1, they could just call it "f" version 1.... Sep 08 03:36:10 but really Sep 08 03:36:14 its just a string of numbers Sep 08 03:36:16 doesnt much matter Sep 08 03:36:27 Actually it does. Sep 08 03:36:51 Who the heck decided that 1.2.3-rc4 should sort EARLIER than 1.2.3 Sep 08 03:36:52 ? Sep 08 03:37:08 oh correct Sep 08 03:37:14 as long as the numbrs increase Sep 08 03:37:20 thats why its 0.16.999 Sep 08 03:37:22 as its nto 0.17 Sep 08 03:37:31 its before Sep 08 03:37:32 right, but the decimal points are meaningless at some point too. Sep 08 03:37:38 so to make sure it is before... Sep 08 03:37:55 Why not compromise at 0.16999 instead? Sep 08 03:38:20 much easier for comparisons that way. Sep 08 03:38:32 http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome Sep 08 03:38:54 whoopz wrong chan Sep 08 03:39:13 evening everyone Sep 08 03:39:26 that is > 0.17 Sep 08 03:39:37 as numebrs between .'s are considered integers for comparison Sep 08 03:39:43 as its not as "decimal" point Sep 08 03:39:51 its a sub-digit marker Sep 08 03:45:17 raster: mwester is saying why have 0.x.y.z instead of just monotonically increasing y Sep 08 03:45:36 tradition Sep 08 03:45:38 1.0 Sep 08 03:45:39 1.1 Sep 08 03:45:40 1.2 Sep 08 03:45:42 1.5 Sep 08 03:45:43 2.0 Sep 08 03:45:44 etc. Sep 08 03:45:54 since y is 999 and has no real meaning anyway, why not just go to 0.16.1000 ? Sep 08 03:45:59 the numbers kind fo mean something Sep 08 03:46:11 1.x -> 2.0 majr incompatible changes Sep 08 03:46:21 I bet 999 means nothing now, since there is no way you are ever going to increment it, are you? Sep 08 03:46:24 X.1->X.2 small compatible changes Sep 08 03:46:53 X.Y.1 ->. X.Y.2 just bugfixes and security issue s- no susbstantive feature or compatibility change Sep 08 03:47:06 and what does your fourth level mean? Sep 08 03:47:28 He's killed a lot of bugs! Sep 08 03:47:48 thats just a release # Sep 08 03:48:05 ie just whenever i make a snapshot i incrument it Sep 08 03:48:07 means nothing Sep 08 03:48:29 and i added the 0.43 release instead fo increasing 999 Sep 08 03:48:38 as i kind fo stole 99 to mean "well.. almost done" Sep 08 03:48:50 its just the state until 0.17.0 Sep 08 03:48:58 unfortunately been there a bit too long Sep 08 03:49:26 the 4th release # will go Sep 08 03:49:31 * mwester thinks version numbers are being rather overloaded, and much of that state might be better represented in release notes, or a project tracking document, but that's just an opinion... Sep 08 03:50:14 back to normal versions #'s then Sep 08 03:53:25 ok, i think the reason my app doesn't display a gui on my desktop may be related to diferent versions of edje between my desktop and the fr Sep 08 03:58:24 any way to switch off the predictive mode keyboard on om2008.8? Sep 08 04:04:04 [Bug] #1971: keep retrieving all SMS list even there is no message in SIM ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1971 ) Sep 08 04:17:24 weirdedout: need to install illume-config or something IIRC Sep 08 04:19:08 pabs, np Sep 08 04:29:16 pabs3, thanks works a treat. I can actually browse now. Sep 08 04:45:41 wow, FR has way more sliders in alsa than my laptop Sep 08 04:47:53 yea Sep 08 04:47:59 like 50 devices Sep 08 04:48:36 def need someone to chat with on the other line for awhile to help in tweaking states Sep 08 05:02:27 96 ish Sep 08 05:11:08 openmoko: 03werner * r4633 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (13 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Sep 08 05:11:08 openmoko: Highlights: Sep 08 05:11:08 openmoko: - a lot more wave operations: mathematics, deglitching, digitizing Sep 08 05:11:08 openmoko: - wavefirms can now be loaded from a file Sep 08 05:11:08 openmoko: - made a first pass at cleaning up triggers (finally !) Sep 08 05:11:11 openmoko: - some renaming, e.g., tmc.wave.analog_wave is now called just tmc.wave.analog Sep 08 05:11:13 openmoko: - waveforms are now downloaded from the scope, not the channel Sep 08 05:12:52 anyone know if the freerunner hardware is multi-touch capable? Sep 08 05:13:36 pabs3 : no Sep 08 05:13:39 pabs3: not sure, afaik there isn't any software written that way Sep 08 05:14:24 ArteK_Work: the hardware doesn't do it? Sep 08 05:14:39 pabs3: no Sep 08 05:14:45 bummer Sep 08 05:15:03 eh, not so much imho Sep 08 05:15:38 mu;ti-touch would just smudge up the sceen that much faster Sep 08 05:21:38 You have to have the screen completely saturated by grease, then it doesn't matter anymore. Sep 08 05:23:44 i'd rather have buttons and slide out kb (ala average htc device) than multi-touch Sep 08 05:26:11 Does 2008.8 still have the option to vibrate only on incoming calls/SMS? I am at work and must have my phone silenced Sep 08 05:26:18 * pabs3 just liked the iphone's zoom method Sep 08 05:26:37 but slide kb would be good though Sep 08 05:28:59 has anyone here got the accelerometer working in om2008.8? Sep 08 05:29:47 prjktdtnt, vibrate only is an option but I haven't tested it to verify that it actually works. Sep 08 05:30:19 weirdedout: I haven't received my phone yet but that is the first change I need to make as I almost never set my phone to vibrate Sep 08 05:30:29 I would like to also make my own custom rings for people I know Sep 08 05:30:38 (for when the phone isn't silenced) Sep 08 05:31:41 prjktdtnt: i know the qtopia apps seem to support that, never actually tried thou Sep 08 05:32:17 antontakk: I am going to leave 2007.2 on the flash and put 2008.8 on the SD card, didn't plan on running qtopia Sep 08 05:32:48 prjktdtnt: 2008.8 is qtopia apps with qt ported to X Sep 08 05:33:22 antontakk: ok that actually clears up quite a bit, so it's essentially an X port of qtopia? Sep 08 05:33:34 yes and no Sep 08 05:33:51 the apps are used, but only the dialer and contacts are installed by default Sep 08 05:33:56 no today-style app Sep 08 05:34:18 ok that makes sense, probably will be a lot more clear when my phone shows up this week and I have time to mess with it Sep 08 05:34:26 debian on sd is working well for me Sep 08 05:34:58 does anyone have screenshots of how it looks running on the OM and of the dialer, contacts, gprs/wifi, etc? Sep 08 05:35:02 (debian that is) Sep 08 05:35:19 no Sep 08 05:35:35 utube ahas some stuff Sep 08 05:35:51 it uses zhone Sep 08 05:35:56 will have to look, I saw there's a wiki called manual debian, looks interesting Sep 08 05:36:00 looks like fso Sep 08 05:36:18 then theres X Sep 08 05:36:57 someone posted shots of debian with xfce on OM Sep 08 05:37:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian Sep 08 05:37:09 looks pretty cool actually Sep 08 05:37:12 i would pur 20080904 then something else on sd Sep 08 05:38:15 i ran the sdcard debian 2 days an it worked Sep 08 05:39:00 slaxxin: 20080904 - asu release? Sep 08 05:39:18 i think Sep 08 05:39:23 i think that's the one i tried last, crashed on me Sep 08 05:39:49 u have a better 1? Sep 08 05:39:58 7/15 :) Sep 08 05:40:14 421 Sep 08 05:40:43 used it as my daily phone for quite a while before trying fso ms2 Sep 08 05:41:21 i used the latest qtopia for a few days 2 Sep 08 05:41:59 4.3.3 Sep 08 05:42:12 im liking debian Sep 08 05:42:32 justt need to squeeze it Sep 08 05:43:03 eh, i'm not a fan of debian Sep 08 05:43:35 is that 7.15 an non updated i guess Sep 08 05:43:49 wat are u a fan of? Sep 08 05:43:56 I might just get a few SD cards to test various distros on the phone without having to flash it from factory Sep 08 05:44:08 yay Sep 08 05:44:16 4 2 gigs Sep 08 05:44:27 microSD is what it uses correct? Sep 08 05:44:51 trade that 512 meg off quick Sep 08 05:45:21 microSD cards are cheap at newegg anyway, 1GB for about $10 Sep 08 05:45:25 slaxxin: yes, non-updated Sep 08 05:45:41 can the FR handle 4GB SD cards? Sep 08 05:45:42 maybe u can get a 10 pack for35 bucks Sep 08 05:46:16 micro-sdcards Sep 08 05:46:43 can they handle 4GB though or are they maxed out at 2GB? Sep 08 05:46:55 mine has a 4G one Sep 08 05:47:04 there is a kernel bug where the partition table gets corrupted on suspend though Sep 08 05:47:23 slaxxin: well, i like 2007.2 apps, but phone-kit always zombies on me, it actually worked like 10 times with the sim i have now, but does not now, even using the same image as those 10 times, so i prefer fso Sep 08 05:47:32 pabs3: yuck Sep 08 05:47:57 prjktdtnt: not a big deal, just remember the fdisk command used to partition and run it very now and then Sep 08 05:48:12 pabs3: i'm guessing they're working on that Sep 08 05:48:20 I hope so :) Sep 08 05:49:31 so it doesn't corrupt to unusable on first suspend then? Also what about just fscking it every now and then? Sep 08 05:49:59 doesn't corrupt the filesystem, just the partition table Sep 08 05:50:17 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012Y2LLE?smid=A2BYVMH7NSQ63F&tag=shopzilla_rev_1356-20&linkCode=asn Sep 08 05:51:04 sweet, will order that on payday I hope Sep 08 05:52:21 i think several 2 gig cards are in order Sep 08 05:52:21 pabs3: what about just making that fdisk command a chronjob? Sep 08 05:52:32 pabs3: could always store a backup of the partition table on the card and write a script to restore it on boot Sep 08 05:52:37 slaxxin: newegg has 2gb for under $10 shipped Sep 08 05:53:06 i take that back, just over $10 shipped Sep 08 05:53:09 I guess, fixing the kernel would be better Sep 08 05:53:14 dont know if they can combine shipping Sep 08 05:53:29 $4.79 + $6.99 shipping for kingston 2GB Sep 08 05:53:49 http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B000SMVQK8/ref=pd_sim_e_2 Sep 08 05:55:10 slaxxin: nice find Sep 08 05:55:57 i need some dedian assistance Sep 08 05:56:08 debian Sep 08 05:56:16 please Sep 08 05:56:43 best ask the question so someone can answer Sep 08 05:59:29 i have the install done (i think) and the keyboard comes up with the aux button Sep 08 05:59:46 flashing 7/15 now, need a usable phone Sep 08 06:00:06 an i can press ctl alt x to get the konsole Sep 08 06:00:14 and already said my mom could use my wing Sep 08 06:00:39 then when i type startx the errors come Sep 08 06:01:05 why do you do startx?? Sep 08 06:01:15 i dont know Sep 08 06:01:32 i thought x wasnt running Sep 08 06:01:56 if you get the keyboard x is running Sep 08 06:01:56 i guess i need a window manager Sep 08 06:02:02 ok Sep 08 06:02:07 yeah, illume isn't packaged yet Sep 08 06:02:08 huh im a noob Sep 08 06:02:18 antontakk: I am going to have to find a stable image too since I will be replacing a phone that isn't working properly I'd like to do it with one that does lol Sep 08 06:02:43 so to get say.... fluxbox i need too.... Sep 08 06:02:54 prjktdtnt: i can up the image i am flashing now, I used it as a daily phone for a few weeks Sep 08 06:03:02 slaxxin: ssh in, apt-get install fluxbox Sep 08 06:03:08 ok Sep 08 06:03:18 I think openbox uses less ram though Sep 08 06:03:23 ok Sep 08 06:03:45 an that will get me a desktop? Sep 08 06:03:47 pfft - midnight commander all the way! :) Sep 08 06:04:19 lightweight desktop? Sep 08 06:04:30 no, ncurses file manager Sep 08 06:04:55 slaxxin: well, openbox/fluxbox are desktops, but I imagine not too useful on a phone Sep 08 06:05:13 people do run xfce on it though, so each to their own Sep 08 06:06:09 id need a really good pair of bifocals with telescopic lenses Sep 08 06:06:58 its weird, my computer speakers make noise whenever the FR connects to the GSM network Sep 08 06:07:12 an it happens alot Sep 08 06:08:06 pabs3: it's the GSM chip interference, my phone too close to my car's stereo does the same thing Sep 08 06:09:23 all that interfacing uses battery Sep 08 06:10:02 i dont recall zhone doing it alot Sep 08 06:10:42 yeah, running qtopia on the internal flash atm Sep 08 06:11:40 4.3.3 has handwiting recog Sep 08 06:12:13 pretty tricky Sep 08 06:12:47 zhone accessed the att network 1 time Sep 08 06:13:11 will see if it does it again anytime soon Sep 08 06:14:26 slaxxin: ime you need to start the dialer a time or two for it to register, i looked at the code once, seems it doesn't try to register until you start the dialer anyways Sep 08 06:15:16 pabs3: clicking noises? Sep 08 06:15:43 yeah, some Sep 08 06:16:38 i bet i have experienced similar - the transmitter/receiver is not a "superhetrodyne" type, so it emits noise while receiving Sep 08 06:16:48 i believe that is the cause, anyways Sep 08 06:17:03 could be wrong thou Sep 08 06:24:14 it fills the att bar Sep 08 06:31:04 re Sep 08 06:33:35 hi Sep 08 06:38:06 anyone knows if it's possible somehow to check my balance? Sep 08 06:38:20 i normally call *102# on other phones Sep 08 06:38:30 but this doesnt really work on ASU Sep 08 06:49:58 anynoe know how to get a browser in the qtopia image? Sep 08 06:50:47 opkg install minimo Sep 08 06:50:56 you have to add the angstrom repos first, tho Sep 08 06:52:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories#Om_2008.8 Sep 08 06:52:11 here Sep 08 06:52:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo Sep 08 06:52:42 and this one Sep 08 06:57:55 torindel: qtopia, or asu? Sep 08 06:58:26 er Sep 08 06:58:33 torpor ^^ Sep 08 07:05:01 tangogps doesnt fetches maps.. somebody know how to solve? internet access is ok Sep 08 07:05:45 have done opkg install tangogps -force-reinstall without success :( Sep 08 07:06:32 you sure the net is ok? Sep 08 07:07:16 I can ping hosts over my ssh connection Sep 08 07:07:35 try telnet to port 80 on something outside Sep 08 07:07:40 or wget or something Sep 08 07:08:17 telnet working Sep 08 07:09:05 oh it seems that my map storage location is broken... Sep 08 07:09:16 That helps ;) Sep 08 07:10:03 strange if I'm typing ls the directory /media/card is empty.. if I'm typing mkdir OSM it says that that dir already exists?! Sep 08 07:11:17 broken card? Sep 08 07:16:00 hey.. been away the weekend.. 2008.9 not there yet? Sep 08 07:17:49 hey Sep 08 07:18:02 anyone online? Sep 08 07:18:19 just got my openmoko in the mail Sep 08 07:18:24 kwek: i believe the 2008.8-update directory on downloads..... Sep 08 07:18:35 hey MacPac Sep 08 07:18:38 trying to figure out how the heck i install anything on it Sep 08 07:18:48 anyone got an easy guide? Sep 08 07:18:52 for idiots? Sep 08 07:19:00 MacPac: followed the usb networking instructions on the wiki? Sep 08 07:19:01 cus the wiki is a horrible read Sep 08 07:19:01 AntonTakk, ok ill just update then Sep 08 07:19:34 so first thing is read the usb networking Sep 08 07:19:42 read and setup Sep 08 07:19:51 once you can successfully ping a site by name Sep 08 07:19:52 i've read and im dumbfounded Sep 08 07:20:02 ah Sep 08 07:20:10 what os is on your desktop? Sep 08 07:20:11 severe newbie Sep 08 07:20:15 mac os Sep 08 07:20:21 x, or 9? Sep 08 07:20:23 X Sep 08 07:20:42 im ashamed to call myself a developer Sep 08 07:20:50 lol Sep 08 07:21:19 looked at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking ? Sep 08 07:21:35 checking it now Sep 08 07:22:12 ill look through it now and try it out Sep 08 07:22:14 many thanks Sep 08 07:22:18 np Sep 08 07:22:24 ill get bk if i got any probs Sep 08 07:22:28 cheers Sep 08 07:28:15 uhm.. somebody has the correct URI for openstreetmap in tangogps? Ive cleared my URI Sep 08 07:30:27 timo2k: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png Sep 08 07:32:06 pabs3: thanks! Sep 08 07:52:36 hi , do freerunner support gtk-2.12? Sep 08 07:57:03 yes Sep 08 07:57:09 gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2 Sep 08 07:58:39 2.12.X is in testing and unstable feeds Sep 08 07:59:44 really? ./fso-unstable/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk Sep 08 08:00:44 hi, anybody familiar with howto build toolchain for openmoko? Sep 08 08:01:17 i have some question about how to optimalized for Openmoko, Sep 08 08:01:29 like make -Os -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t as the default setting Sep 08 08:08:06 Is there a way to manually set clock, or only via rdate? Sep 08 08:10:52 ntpdate Sep 08 08:10:57 date --set 'date' Sep 08 08:11:08 oh, date --set, didn't know this one, thanks Sep 08 08:11:57 viq: how have you set date in the past? Sep 08 08:12:04 Apparently 'date' on my FR doesn't know it either :P Sep 08 08:12:42 lindi-: in those three days I have my FR I've been using rdate to synch off of my laptop Sep 08 08:16:06 viq: but how do you do it on your laptop? Sep 08 08:17:20 openntpd, it does it itself. And those very rare ocasions I had to do it manually I believe date is for that, but the date on FR (om2007 ATM) doesn't seem to support the option Sep 08 08:18:19 aloha Sep 08 08:18:35 anyone able to help me get the connection up with openmoko Sep 08 08:18:41 someone just needs to cross compile an existing tool to set the clock via gps Sep 08 08:18:43 im runnin mac os c Sep 08 08:18:47 mac os x** Sep 08 08:18:59 ah, date -s Sep 08 08:19:07 sorry, i only know how to work with os c Sep 08 08:19:12 and os/2 Sep 08 08:19:26 i just got my openmoko and experiencing some probs Sep 08 08:19:31 installed Apple CDC Ethernet driver 10.5.x Sep 08 08:19:33 ieatlint: yes, that would be the best Sep 08 08:20:02 ive restarted Sep 08 08:20:19 im in network preferences.. however i cant setup the ip-addr, subnet router etc.. Sep 08 08:20:40 the device shows up as RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget 2 Sep 08 08:21:10 but doesnt give me any permissions on setting up the ip-addr etc.. Sep 08 08:21:22 can anyone help please? Sep 08 08:21:52 impressively i can't seem to find any mainstream apps to set the clock with gps... which seems stupid Sep 08 08:22:03 the options i got is configuration, telephone number, account name, password :S Sep 08 08:22:31 in advanced pref pane i get vendor: apple, model apple modem v.34 etc.. Sep 08 08:22:51 ah, gpsd supports it.. "gpsd can provide reference clock information to ntpd, to keep the system clock synchronized to the time provided by the GPS receiver." Sep 08 08:23:06 good morning Sep 08 08:23:13 ieatlint: openntpd can use GPS as time sensor, but I don't know how OpenBSD specific it is Sep 08 08:23:13 http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html Sep 08 08:23:27 oh Sep 08 08:24:12 that would be an intelligent thing to set as standard Sep 08 08:24:26 ieatlint: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date#Setting_the_date.2Ftime_automatically_with_gps Sep 08 08:24:32 yes Sep 08 08:25:25 i also think telnet listening on usb0 would be smart and solve this annoying as all hell ssh key issue each time you flash :P Sep 08 08:27:02 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r301b4e7eccac 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): [python-pygame] fix python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup to let it usable Sep 08 08:28:55 anyone? Sep 08 08:29:01 im a newb and need serious help Sep 08 08:29:12 kinda sucks that it takes so long to set free runner up Sep 08 08:29:24 prob cus im an idiot at this Sep 08 08:29:26 but still Sep 08 08:29:32 anyone? Sep 08 08:29:40 MacPac: wiki says you need a patched driver for usb networking on osx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking Sep 08 08:29:59 yeah i downloaded the patch and installed it Sep 08 08:30:13 restarted as well Sep 08 08:30:16 ah, try the other driver then I guess Sep 08 08:31:54 guess he did Sep 08 08:34:05 sorry d/c Sep 08 08:34:34 sorry got d/c Sep 08 08:48:55 How long does it take to flash/upgrade an OM? Sep 08 08:49:24 A couple of minutes :) Sep 08 08:49:35 more like several Sep 08 08:49:51 ~5-7min Sep 08 08:50:13 sorry got disconnected 4-5 times in a row and lost my connection completely Sep 08 08:50:23 sorry got disconnected 4-5 times in a row and lost my connection completely Sep 08 08:50:28 Enough time to drink a beer at a meetup.. good :) Sep 08 08:51:23 if you're aiming to get drunk, sure Sep 08 08:51:33 otherwise it's enough time to order a beer and get it :P Sep 08 08:55:16 hey guys Sep 08 08:55:24 how do i stop my free runner from pinging my mac? Sep 08 08:55:32 i cant do ctl+c Sep 08 08:55:35 :P Sep 08 08:56:10 open a new ssh session and pkill ping Sep 08 08:56:47 oo thanks ;) Sep 08 08:57:09 well i've now managed to ping my neo from my mac and vise versa Sep 08 08:57:18 but trying to setup a ssh with it is refused Sep 08 08:57:46 any suggested solutions? Sep 08 08:58:40 wtf.. it works now Sep 08 08:58:49 nvm Sep 08 08:59:19 wohooo my om is alive!!! Sep 08 08:59:25 :P Sep 08 09:14:08 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r882557cbdbfe 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [prefferred-om-versions] remove ffmpeg update gnash want git ffmpeg Sep 08 09:14:09 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb249a8fd989 10/packages/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg_svn.bb files/pld-onlyarm5.patch): [ffmpeg] fix versioning and armv4 building for svn version Sep 08 09:14:10 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r090164d7eec1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] remove the svn ffmpeg, we want git Sep 08 09:14:11 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra5ce27648488 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: [ffmpeg] make default for openmoko Sep 08 09:14:13 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8bc6931004d4 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] change to .opk files Sep 08 09:14:16 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra1888d625f1e 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Sep 08 09:16:19 man this is some tough stuff.. just getting free runner up and running Sep 08 09:16:25 didnt expect it to be this tough Sep 08 09:16:54 after i've managed to get a usb connection up and running what do i do next? Sep 08 09:17:34 do i get a flasher? Sep 08 09:18:00 depends what you want to do Sep 08 09:18:45 im running the basic basic stuff that comes with the free runner when purchased Sep 08 09:18:53 im just trying to get things working on it Sep 08 09:19:06 ive managed to get the usb connection between the phone and my comp to work Sep 08 09:21:00 the paper you get with it points you at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Sep 08 09:21:41 I'd recommend installing dfu-util on your mac and trying all the different distros Sep 08 09:22:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Flashing_to_your_device Sep 08 09:22:44 sorry got d/c Sep 08 09:22:50 many thanks Sep 08 09:22:53 will give it a try Sep 08 09:23:05 just tried pinging google and it worked Sep 08 09:23:43 ive never really played with kernel before Sep 08 09:23:48 so this is a first for me Sep 08 09:25:16 i tried this one as well: ping www.google.com but it returns bad address Sep 08 09:26:44 any solution on that? Sep 08 09:27:04 i can ping google's ip but not their adress Sep 08 09:27:10 sounds like the /etc/resolv.conf doesn't have the right nameserver init Sep 08 09:27:12 in it Sep 08 09:27:15 then your /etc/resolv.conf isn't correct Sep 08 09:27:23 ah ok Sep 08 09:27:30 look at the one on your host, then change the one on the neo to be the same Sep 08 09:27:34 how do i do / and \ in moko? Sep 08 09:27:45 IIRC the default assumes your mac runs a nameserver Sep 08 09:27:45 i dont see them on the keyboard Sep 08 09:27:55 oh ok Sep 08 09:28:57 use a terminal on the mac and do: scp /etc/resolv.conf 192.168.0.202:/etc/ Sep 08 09:29:36 there is no / with the default keyboaed, but you can copy and paste the one from the prompt Sep 08 09:30:10 ah ok Sep 08 09:30:13 thanks :) Sep 08 09:30:28 thanks to all of you :) Sep 08 09:30:32 really making my life easier Sep 08 09:30:47 god knows what i would do if there wasnt irc Sep 08 09:30:54 probably have chucked the phone against the wall by now :P Sep 08 09:31:16 i can have multiple dns added to it right? Sep 08 09:31:54 yes Sep 08 09:40:49 cheers xora Sep 08 09:43:10 pinging google.com worked Sep 08 09:43:12 cheers guys :) Sep 08 09:46:21 my OM2008.8 build was failed yesterday . I cleaned the package that was failed and make setup, make update after that make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image throws ERROR:NO rule to make target 'openmoko-qtopia-x11-image' Sep 08 09:47:51 that means openmoko-qtopia-x11-image is not a valid target Sep 08 09:48:10 look at Makefile, search for "-image" and see what types of images you can make Sep 08 09:48:31 im trying to install Debian on free-runner. im following steps from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/ . when im trying to Set boot partition to be vfat by running " SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all " then it is giving error like " E: Internal error: install ". can anyone help me Sep 08 09:49:11 i'd help if i could.. but i just got my free runner 4 hours ago.. and trying to set it up :P Sep 08 09:49:55 shiiiit Sep 08 09:50:00 my sound is gone :-X Sep 08 09:50:12 nor rings Sep 08 09:50:15 no calls Sep 08 09:50:18 nothing Sep 08 09:51:38 MacPac: you are also trying to build Debian on free-runner? Sep 08 09:51:59 i use debian on the om Sep 08 09:52:06 any hints on how to restore the factory mixer settings? Sep 08 09:52:08 tomboy64: there is a hint to fix here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Manual_Debian#Sound Sep 08 09:52:32 ieatlint: previously " make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image" no problem , when build fails then I did the above steps to resume build then the same command gives the error. Sep 08 09:52:37 maybe alsa force-reload works Sep 08 09:53:10 opendeep, the commands you ran update the makefile Sep 08 09:53:23 the update to the makefile may remove that target Sep 08 09:53:36 hence, look at the makefile and see what valid targets there are Sep 08 09:54:02 the error you get is specifically to do with that target not being in the makefile, and not due to any error with libraries or the like Sep 08 09:54:47 ieatlint:have look at this Makefile "URL: http://rafb.net/p/0ay2Gd80.html" Sep 08 09:54:53 ecraven: did you build it successfully?? Sep 08 09:55:02 opendeep, what would i be looking for? Sep 08 09:55:36 maddy: i installed according to the old guide on the wiki, no problems at al Sep 08 09:56:34 ecraven: ok Sep 08 09:56:39 i tried doing the update by using # opkg update rather than the flasher.. and i got signature check failed.. as well as failure message Sep 08 09:56:53 ieatlint:I mean to say verify the file once because I checked it twice but did not found anything that causes error. Sep 08 09:56:59 maddy: what problems do you have? Sep 08 09:57:09 any solutions? Sep 08 09:57:30 opendeep, type "make blah" and notice you have an identical error to "make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image" Sep 08 09:57:49 which means "make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image" is just as invalid as "make blah" Sep 08 09:58:07 the ONLY valid image to be made with that makefile is "make openmoko-devel-image" Sep 08 09:58:22 ecraven: when im trying to Set boot partition to be vfat by running " SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all " then it is giving error like " E: Internal error: install ". Sep 08 09:59:15 maddy: sorry, never tried that, i don't like the install.sh debian (mainly because everything runs as root) Sep 08 10:00:00 would it be possible to use a freerunner + debug board to control a serial port based servo motor controller? Sep 08 10:01:15 Here I am building ASU image, as mentioned in Makefile the make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image is valid, it worked also until build fails, now I tried openmoko-devel-image gives the same error Sep 08 10:01:46 openmoko: 03tick * r4634 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: adding omview to community repository Sep 08 10:04:32 well it's your makefile Sep 08 10:04:40 and the problem is entirely in that one file Sep 08 10:05:05 blah, damnit Sep 08 10:05:20 hey guys im trying to do the update and i just get error messages Sep 08 10:05:37 first its the signature checks Sep 08 10:05:40 and then i get the 404 Sep 08 10:06:37 should i use flashing instead? Sep 08 10:06:50 pabs3: thanks for your hint, but didn't work Sep 08 10:07:59 MacPac: signature checks are not enabled yet Sep 08 10:08:10 e.g. signatures are currently not used Sep 08 10:08:27 so if you just get 404s for the signatures - ignore them Sep 08 10:08:47 but if you get 404s for the package-files your fr can't connect to the repos Sep 08 10:08:57 most probably dns-issues Sep 08 10:13:15 hmm Sep 08 10:13:19 but i fixed my dns Sep 08 10:13:25 so that i could ping google.com Sep 08 10:13:31 which works well Sep 08 10:13:56 know of any way to solve that? Sep 08 10:14:42 anyone use qtopia? how do I get rid of the map on the homescreen? Sep 08 10:14:53 edit your /etc/resolv.conf and add an entry: nameserver 208.67.222.222 Sep 08 10:15:43 pabs3: don't use that skin or disable world clock in the homescreen settings menu Sep 08 10:18:47 dns53 - edited my dns but still get the 404 Sep 08 10:18:59 i can ping google.com etc.. Sep 08 10:19:21 edistar: bummer, I liked that skin, oh well Sep 08 10:19:24 they are not yet generating signatures and some repo's may be broken Sep 08 10:19:54 what do i do to update then? Sep 08 10:20:05 is flasher only way? Sep 08 10:20:07 pabs3: I did too.. you can configure it Sep 08 10:20:09 you run opkg update and opkg upgrade Sep 08 10:20:26 you can't upgrade to 2008.8 directly Sep 08 10:20:44 edistar: the Smart one? it doesn't seem to honour the settings in homescreen Sep 08 10:20:59 oh ok. so how do i upgrade to 2008.8? Sep 08 10:22:03 the opkg only gives me 404 and upgrade returns nothing to be done Sep 08 10:23:03 openmoko: 03werner * r4635 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (demo/rigoldump.py demo/screen.py lib/scope.py): Sep 08 10:23:03 openmoko: Cleanup to make downloads work. Sep 08 10:23:03 openmoko: - demo/screen.py: don't import popen2 Sep 08 10:23:03 openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_ds1000c.wave): fixed various silly bugs preventing it Sep 08 10:23:03 openmoko: from running at all Sep 08 10:23:07 openmoko: - demo/rigoldump.py: example for a full dump of all channels Sep 08 10:24:32 dns53: how do i get the 2008.8 then? Sep 08 10:24:45 you need to flash it Sep 08 10:25:08 ah ok Sep 08 10:25:12 ill give that a try then :) Sep 08 10:25:13 cheers Sep 08 10:27:41 ugh disconnected again Sep 08 10:27:47 trying the flasher Sep 08 10:28:02 pabs3: try restarting qtopia, otherwise I don't really know Sep 08 10:29:14 pabs3: need to edit the theme's homescreen.xml Sep 08 10:29:52 when using the flasher Sep 08 10:29:56 and upgrade to 2008.8 Sep 08 10:30:19 does it matter which order the files are installed? Sep 08 10:31:49 it's just writing a file system, as long as you write both the kernel and rootfs before booting it makes no difference Sep 08 10:32:04 aite cheers Sep 08 10:32:19 downloading files then try to reboot FR into the right mode Sep 08 11:04:12 ~curse firefox Sep 08 11:04:13 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, firefox ! Sep 08 11:07:21 did you have firefox lose its history file or something XorA? Sep 08 11:07:35 it forgot how to successfully build Sep 08 11:08:23 hey guys Sep 08 11:08:30 im trying the flasher Sep 08 11:08:38 for mac Sep 08 11:08:47 and when i select the repository there is only 2007.1 Sep 08 11:09:02 so i select refresh and nothing happens Sep 08 11:09:27 i'd like to load 2008.8 Sep 08 11:09:53 ive also downloaded all the files Sep 08 11:09:57 and tried to open them Sep 08 11:10:00 but that doesnt work either Sep 08 11:10:00 MacPac, i think its broken.. just do it manually - did you read the gettingstarted wiki page? Sep 08 11:10:20 yeh i ive read it Sep 08 11:10:32 i couldnt get the first method to work Sep 08 11:10:35 so tried the flasher Sep 08 11:10:40 MacPac, here we really expect you to read a bit further before asking all these basic questions. Sep 08 11:10:40 and that didnt work either :( Sep 08 11:10:51 i understand Sep 08 11:10:58 but the wiki isn't very well written Sep 08 11:11:02 especially for newbies Sep 08 11:11:07 such as myself Sep 08 11:11:23 yeah we know now.. i wonder why you bought a freerunner then but well Sep 08 11:11:34 anyway 'doesnt work' doesnt give much to work on no? Sep 08 11:11:58 when i tried the update i got 404 errors Sep 08 11:11:59 Im not even sure what flasher we are talking about Sep 08 11:12:05 is this some Mac only software? Sep 08 11:12:07 ive used a mac here and it all works well so be more specific Sep 08 11:12:33 XorA: yes, the mac useres have a nice gui Sep 08 11:12:37 flasher for mac Sep 08 11:12:42 wow Sep 08 11:12:43 but i think that thing is broken Sep 08 11:12:45 I didnt know that Sep 08 11:12:48 this flasher http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher Sep 08 11:12:50 yeah its broken indeed Sep 08 11:13:04 MacPac: uses the commandline tool also distributed with the gui Sep 08 11:13:40 I guess it broke because the directories changed around for the 2008.8 release Sep 08 11:13:41 commandline for OpenMoko Flasher? Sep 08 11:13:43 MacPac: take a look at the commands under the explanation of the gui version herE: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Graphical_Flashing_with_Openmoko_Flasher \ Sep 08 11:13:56 cheers Sep 08 11:15:56 reason why i wanted to try the free runner cus it looked like a lot of fun an alternative to the iPhone.. its openSource so chances are it will develop real fast and got a lot of cutting edge apps Sep 08 11:16:13 that the iphone wont have due to apple being anal about what they permit on their platforme etc.. Sep 08 11:16:44 and i want to try to learn the basics Sep 08 11:16:52 hehe, at the moment, it's rather clear which platform has better (any?) apps ;) Sep 08 11:16:53 to see if i can contribute in some way Sep 08 11:17:11 atm yes.. but in the future? Sep 08 11:17:35 that's what i'm counting on too ;) Sep 08 11:17:50 i dont like being tied down to phone companies etc.. Sep 08 11:17:55 and they screw us over anyway Sep 08 11:18:05 so open is the way to go :) Sep 08 11:18:17 and if i can help id love to Sep 08 11:18:25 but first i gotta learn the basics and make the thing work :P Sep 08 11:18:27 openmoko: 03werner * r4636 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (4 files): On-going work on supporting MMC-SPI also with the S3C SPI driver. Sep 08 11:18:32 which seems to give me a lot of problems lol Sep 08 11:18:38 MacPac: do you know any programming languages? Sep 08 11:18:45 yeah a few Sep 08 11:18:46 MacPac: what are you aiming for? fso? debian? 2008.8? Sep 08 11:18:54 2008.8 Sep 08 11:19:10 i tried about a month ago, flashing worked well Sep 08 11:19:26 i kno the basics in a few languages Sep 08 11:19:37 ive just never messed in the kernel Sep 08 11:19:45 or terminal that much Sep 08 11:19:56 did you use the flasher? Sep 08 11:20:06 i'd concentrate on python, and things above the framework, if you aren't much of a C coder or device driver developper Sep 08 11:20:09 dfu-util Sep 08 11:21:10 do u use the minicom or just right from terminal? Sep 08 11:21:54 read the wiki page Sep 08 11:22:10 i think the first thing ill do when i've gotten everything up and running is to write 'a complete idiots guide to getting free runner up and running' Sep 08 11:22:13 minicom is for interfacing with the nor/nand flash Sep 08 11:22:32 MacPac: there are about 5 such guides on the wiki, unfortunately burried and for different versions Sep 08 11:22:52 ah :9 Sep 08 11:23:05 why buried? Sep 08 11:23:13 absolete already? Sep 08 11:23:22 obsolete* Sep 08 11:23:54 no, lost in the depths of the wiki ;) Sep 08 11:24:06 some obsolete, some up to date, some where you can't quite tell... Sep 08 11:24:38 this here tells you how to flash your neo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Phrasebook Sep 08 11:25:26 aite cheers Sep 08 11:26:00 i hate the 30 seconds period before it turns itself off though Sep 08 11:27:47 how do i permit dfu-util commands? Sep 08 11:28:15 i sorry if i come off as a complete idiot.. but lol i want this phone to work.. else i got a very expensive paper weight :P Sep 08 11:28:22 im sorry* Sep 08 11:28:48 you have sudo on a mac? Sep 08 11:29:44 oh i gotta boot it completely Sep 08 11:29:48 fargh Sep 08 11:30:09 no, dfu-util only works well if you are in nand-boot Sep 08 11:30:26 hm.. not sure how to do it on a mac though ;-/ Sep 08 11:30:35 ecraven! Sep 08 11:30:39 hey Dave Sep 08 11:30:42 what's up? Sep 08 11:30:53 It's FSO day! Sep 08 11:31:02 milestone 3? Sep 08 11:31:10 Dave: really? when? Sep 08 11:31:15 sorry d/c Sep 08 11:31:24 crap singapore connection Sep 08 11:31:40 No, it's just the day I'm finally going to try it :P Sep 08 11:31:41 im the admin on my comp Sep 08 11:31:49 so should have the right access priviliges Sep 08 11:31:54 sudo Sep 08 11:31:58 well, I'm going to build and flash the latest unstable :) Sep 08 11:32:25 i did that today Dave Sep 08 11:32:33 was pleasantly surprised Sep 08 11:32:41 which kernel will you use though? Sep 08 11:33:29 are there any singaporean OM users that i could contact? Sep 08 11:33:42 Hi, I need help, somebody could help me please? Sep 08 11:33:58 ibe spent 8 hours just trying to update OM so getting quite frustrated :P Sep 08 11:34:03 ibe= ive Sep 08 11:34:46 how do i get complete control over the usb bus? Sep 08 11:34:53 which sudo command do i need? Sep 08 11:34:58 ... Sep 08 11:35:51 Ehi I need help to install asu, anybody could help me please? Sep 08 11:36:23 anyone kno the factory in taiwan producing the free runner? Sep 08 11:36:48 i'd like to drop by their plant next time im in taiwan Sep 08 11:37:02 its not in Taiwan Sep 08 11:37:14 thought it was a taiwan firm? Sep 08 11:37:19 that produced it? Sep 08 11:37:30 yeah, but factory is in china Sep 08 11:37:44 in shenzhen? Sep 08 11:37:59 sounds familiar Sep 08 11:38:11 probably there.. its the tech cap of China Sep 08 11:38:27 silicon valley equivilant Sep 08 11:38:38 I havent been there, only to the OM office Sep 08 11:38:48 the OM office is in taipei? Sep 08 11:39:03 yes Sep 08 11:39:11 do you have the address? Sep 08 11:39:19 my father is in taipei Sep 08 11:39:28 so maybe he could drop by :P Sep 08 11:39:31 MacPac, http://openmoko.com/contact.html Sep 08 11:39:35 its in the Neihue (or however you spell it district) Sep 08 11:39:57 he sent me his free runner cus he gave up on trying to get it to work Sep 08 11:40:01 and thought maybe i could get it up :P Sep 08 11:40:37 i do web-development and some java etc.. but having hard time with this thing Sep 08 11:41:03 nice office though Sep 08 11:41:18 you go there often? Sep 08 11:41:38 your based in asia or? Sep 08 11:42:05 Dave: did I miss an announcement about Milestone 3? it is not on the downloads page :( Sep 08 11:42:15 MacPac: Im in Scotland, but I went there for 2 weeks Sep 08 11:42:43 cool Sep 08 11:42:54 my fathers office is not too far away Sep 08 11:43:02 is it close to the miramar shopping complex? Sep 08 11:43:22 <|FiLiP|> I don't think MS3 will be here today, still 5 open tickets. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap Sep 08 11:43:28 MacPac: couldnt tell you, there is a large Harley Davidson shop across the road Sep 08 11:43:55 hmm i think i kno where its at then Sep 08 11:43:57 used to live in taiwan Sep 08 11:44:04 for about 6 yrs Sep 08 11:44:32 how did you find Taiwan? Sep 08 11:44:40 as in did you enjoy it? Sep 08 11:44:55 |FiLiP|: that is what I thought, but it was the way Dave said it was FSO day :) Sep 08 11:46:19 you went to taiwan just for openMoko? Sep 08 11:46:21 <|FiLiP|> but i tried unstable a couple of days ago, ans pleasantly surprised Sep 08 11:47:41 I am on milestone 2 with updates from the bearstech repo and it is really coming along :) Sep 08 11:52:33 erm where has the bearstech repo gone? Sep 08 11:54:19 Tig|: Odd, it was there this morning Sep 08 11:54:44 I guess rwhitby is up to something Sep 08 11:54:49 yeah, but it isn't now, the whole tree has gone Sep 08 11:55:14 bearstech had an inode problem on the new filesystem Sep 08 11:56:04 Ouch Sep 08 11:56:09 I have an fso-testing feed built and available on another site, but the packages have different md5sums from the bearstech ones and opkg doesn't seem to like that Sep 08 11:56:32 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/fso-testing/ if you want to try it Sep 08 11:59:09 ah is that going to choke if my fr has been done from the bearstech site? Sep 08 12:07:23 Tig|: dunno. it complained for mine and wouldn't let me update Sep 08 12:07:46 oh well :( Sep 08 12:08:02 I take it bearstech had a backup ;) Sep 08 12:08:17 dunno Sep 08 12:08:28 I have no visibility other than user access Sep 08 12:09:04 anyone played duke 3d on thair neo? Sep 08 12:09:59 neo supports duke 3d ... holy crap Sep 08 12:10:10 i need this thing up and running fast! Sep 08 12:10:40 http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d Sep 08 12:11:14 that is sweet Sep 08 12:11:48 i used to make maps when i was a really young for that game Sep 08 12:11:55 cant remember how anymore Sep 08 12:12:19 fun stuff Sep 08 12:12:27 will definitely install when i get it up and running Sep 08 12:13:05 i'm going to try it now Sep 08 12:13:23 watching the youtube video atm myself Sep 08 12:14:04 how do you strife? Sep 08 12:14:14 :P Sep 08 12:14:15 no idea Sep 08 12:14:32 Quickly sidestep under a speeding bus. Sep 08 12:15:06 OM needs to support ScummVM Sep 08 12:15:22 Shlee this is in my TODO list :) Sep 08 12:15:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm Sep 08 12:15:49 please some of you who are damn smart.. make the updating process easier.. liek a drag drop Sep 08 12:15:56 or a one click install app Sep 08 12:16:00 i beg you :) Sep 08 12:16:05 for idiots like myself Sep 08 12:16:07 only problem ist you can't open the menu ingame Sep 08 12:16:32 well, by bye to my port Sep 08 12:16:34 hehehe Sep 08 12:16:59 i need someone running mac os x to help me walk though entire installation process.. wiki just aint working for me.. think ive read 200 pages + and still dont know how to do the update process Sep 08 12:17:03 MacPac: the update process is pertty simple, where is the problem? Sep 08 12:17:25 i tried flasher but the UI doesnt work Sep 08 12:17:39 i dont get how to do the dfu-util Sep 08 12:17:46 i've a mac at home, but i boot with linux most of the time :) Sep 08 12:18:13 the UI of the flasher doesn't have the right urls that it pulls the data from Sep 08 12:18:22 only 2007.1 is inside of it Sep 08 12:18:38 i tried the dfu-util but it seems terminal wont accept the commands Sep 08 12:18:41 you have the tool dfu-util installed? Sep 08 12:18:44 im a complete utter newbie Sep 08 12:18:54 or somewhere so you can run it? Sep 08 12:19:37 there is an ap? Sep 08 12:19:41 my god Sep 08 12:19:47 ? Sep 08 12:19:51 im about to shoot myself Sep 08 12:20:09 there is a tool i got to install? Sep 08 12:20:22 no Sep 08 12:21:23 can we speak in priv? Sep 08 12:21:37 if you got the time Sep 08 12:22:27 just download a linux distro live cd if the osx documentation is poor, or do they not work on mac? Sep 08 12:23:09 never touched a mac ... so kinda clueless there tbh Sep 08 12:23:45 i was wondering if i should just download linux Sep 08 12:25:20 any duke nukem 3d player here? Sep 08 12:25:37 MacPac: what's the probleme? Sep 08 12:25:40 *problem Sep 08 12:26:34 edistar: cant seem to update to OM 2008.8 just got my phone today Sep 08 12:26:38 i tested duke nukem 3d, but never liked the game and removed it while flashing qtopia Sep 08 12:27:04 been messing around with it for over 7 hrs Sep 08 12:27:12 all ive been able to do is the pinging Sep 08 12:27:31 mac2k: is it playable? Sep 08 12:27:46 MacPac: that's something Sep 08 12:27:52 MacPac: but while pinging you can't flash Sep 08 12:28:00 you have to reboot in uboot menu Sep 08 12:28:36 deistar: yeah i reboot in uboot menu but flasher program that i installed hasnt updated the program so it points to the wrong URL for all the files.. last file updated was 2007.1 Sep 08 12:29:07 so tried using dfu-util in terminal Sep 08 12:29:17 but my terminal says commands unknown Sep 08 12:29:42 MacPac: try chmod +x dfu-util Sep 08 12:29:48 MacPac: ./dfu-util Sep 08 12:30:02 no such file or directory Sep 08 12:30:14 do i need to install? Sep 08 12:30:28 have you downloaded dfu-util? Sep 08 12:30:58 in the same dir, do the commands Sep 08 12:31:04 ok Sep 08 12:31:08 two secs Sep 08 12:32:54 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Graphical_Flashing_with_Openmoko_Flasher Sep 08 12:32:54 thats telling you where to get dfu-util from for osx Sep 08 12:33:27 you already got that url before here.. just read carefully Sep 08 12:33:39 MacPac, ^ Sep 08 12:34:22 ok Sep 08 12:34:25 will check Sep 08 12:35:13 trying to navigate to the app Sep 08 12:35:29 i already read that but terminal wont permit me Sep 08 12:35:35 so trying to navigate the the app Sep 08 12:35:39 to run it there Sep 08 12:36:32 So, what are we all flashing this morning? Sep 08 12:37:02 * sicu covers his eyes just in case Dave is gonna flash us all yet again Sep 08 12:37:19 :D Sep 08 12:37:50 i'm thinking about trying fso today ms2, was hoping to wait for ms3, but i guss an opkg upgrade from ms2 will do the same? Sep 08 12:38:35 i'm on a new mission, gonna try to leave my FR without flashing it for at least an hour Sep 08 12:38:38 not the same, but it will improve ms2 Sep 08 12:38:44 sicu: good luck Sep 08 12:39:01 edistar: thx, gonna need it Sep 08 12:39:14 :D Sep 08 12:39:42 who knows, i might even go through withdrawal... Sep 08 12:39:51 you don't need to flash it, i just keep swapping sd cards and booting off that Sep 08 12:40:04 sicu: I managed to run qtopia for 48h, till the battery was empty.. Sep 08 12:40:21 Anyone running MS2 as a primary phone? Sep 08 12:40:36 dns53: but then you miss out on all the fun that is flashing Sep 08 12:40:45 withdrawal from using shittier distros? Sep 08 12:40:53 or flashing withdrawal? Sep 08 12:41:01 because you like flashing so much :P Sep 08 12:41:01 edistar: nice Sep 08 12:41:24 Dave: oh yes ! =] Sep 08 12:41:55 heh Sep 08 12:42:02 sicu likes teh usb cable ;p Sep 08 12:42:17 that'd be pretty kinky... Sep 08 12:42:21 having a usb fetish Sep 08 12:42:27 aite i managed to run it Sep 08 12:42:29 i got this Sep 08 12:42:29 Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface Sep 08 12:42:37 the usb cable gives me goosebumps just thinking of it Sep 08 12:43:17 :D Sep 08 12:43:29 poor usb cable Sep 08 12:43:33 * Dave tosses sicu a ten foot usb cable Sep 08 12:43:46 am i doing something wrong? Sep 08 12:43:49 * sicu will be busy for a while Sep 08 12:43:49 Dave: watch out, poor sicu might get a heart attack Sep 08 12:43:53 haha Sep 08 12:43:55 :P Sep 08 12:43:58 kinky :p Sep 08 12:46:15 MacPac: make sure you are superuser/sysadmin/root Sep 08 12:46:17 lol, 10 foot usb cable, just what i need for the FR so i can sit far away from my hardware keyboard and just use the amazing FR keyb ^^ Sep 08 12:47:15 rofl Sep 08 12:47:27 * Dave gives sicu a ten foot extension cable Sep 08 12:47:42 now what could you do with that! I'm almost scared to know ^^ Sep 08 12:49:40 * sicu , may he r.i.p, cable o.d. Sep 08 12:49:55 :o Sep 08 12:50:09 Shlee: nearly but not quite I did for a couple of days but the sms issues and the phonebook were the breaker for me Sep 08 12:51:38 heading out for a while, so my gps can play tricks on me, ciao Sep 08 12:51:59 hooray! Sep 08 12:52:03 * Dave tricks sicu Sep 08 12:52:06 ;p Sep 08 12:52:13 sicu, go on tangogps friends if you're not already! Sep 08 12:52:14 :D Sep 08 12:52:44 will do, if i can get a fix Sep 08 12:54:09 ^_^ Sep 08 12:54:18 moo Sep 08 12:54:24 zash Sep 08 12:54:31 Dave Sep 08 12:54:35 moo Sep 08 12:54:39 indeed Sep 08 12:54:48 - End Commoonication - Sep 08 12:54:55 or Cowmoonication Sep 08 12:54:56 :D Sep 08 12:56:31 apt-get moo Sep 08 12:56:36 huhu Sep 08 12:56:44 apt-rebuke tanuva Sep 08 12:58:00 * Tanuva slaps Dave around a bit with a huge trout Sep 08 12:58:02 bad guy! Sep 08 12:59:03 i've got 7 files.. not quite sure how to start and what to do.. Sep 08 13:00:29 if i had seven files, i would open them all Sep 08 13:00:33 simultaneously! Sep 08 13:03:15 why is there a mysqld on my neodebian? Oo Sep 08 13:03:22 damn.. Sep 08 13:03:55 Tanuva: cause you installed it? ;) Sep 08 13:04:04 probably :D Sep 08 13:04:19 (wasn't really serious, that question) Sep 08 13:05:17 It's actually part of the default install, or so I hear. Sep 08 13:05:41 Someone was installing it a while back and was complaining and exclaiming how mysql-server was being installed. Sep 08 13:05:50 Without question, I suppose :p Sep 08 13:06:05 Whatever, suck it up, Tanuva. Sep 08 13:06:07 Like I told them. Sep 08 13:06:23 hmm. yep. something between mysql-common and fso-frameworkd has interdependencies Sep 08 13:06:34 yay Sep 08 13:06:45 make fso-fail Sep 08 13:07:12 neo neo neo Sep 08 13:07:48 nom nom nom Sep 08 13:08:09 wtf... there's some wrong track being played for tarja - I walk alone on last.fm.. Sep 08 13:11:29 Mr. Anderson Sep 08 13:11:57 welcome back Sep 08 13:12:00 we've missed you Sep 08 13:12:06 you like what I've done with the place ? Sep 08 13:16:39 Man, I really wish we had a countdown timer for Qt4.4 and Ms3 Sep 08 13:16:43 that would be sweet Sep 08 13:17:59 <|FiLiP|> there is a countdown timer for MS3, alltough it is not in days but in tickets Sep 08 13:18:07 *g* Sep 08 13:21:14 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Sep 08 13:21:14 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Sep 08 13:21:14 Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... Sep 08 13:21:14 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="kernel" Sep 08 13:21:16 Claiming USB DFU Interface... Sep 08 13:23:54 heh Sep 08 13:28:30 MacPac: looks good Sep 08 13:30:47 hi! i have a question about 2008.8-update: is there no way to get a console? Sep 08 13:31:18 hama: ssh? Sep 08 13:31:33 yes, ssh works... Sep 08 13:31:52 i mean on the freerunner... Sep 08 13:31:54 hama: opkg list | grep terminal Sep 08 13:33:11 ok, before that i must get my wifi running Sep 08 13:34:15 [Bug] #1972: Wifi interferes with Bluetooth ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1972 ) Sep 08 13:35:14 fredrin: Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface Sep 08 13:35:44 i keep getting the cannot claim interface.. even with sudo Sep 08 13:36:23 sudo make openmoko work; it's like asking it pretty please. :P Sep 08 13:36:41 lol Sep 08 13:37:27 MacPac try ./dfu-util -b 0x1d50:0x5119 Sep 08 13:37:53 i hate sudo :P Sep 08 13:38:07 aite ill try Sep 08 13:38:11 with or without sudo? Sep 08 13:39:02 me have to be root (under suse) to work with dfu-util and usb... Sep 08 13:39:11 with Sep 08 13:39:33 methril: invalid option Sep 08 13:39:48 sorry -d Sep 08 13:41:30 MacPac: sudo -i and you're root Sep 08 13:42:24 methrill: You need to specify one of -D or -U Sep 08 13:42:41 methrill: You need to specify one of -D or -U Sep 08 13:42:53 thats what it returned Sep 08 13:43:30 -t -- transfer file, -U --upload file, -D --download file, -R reset Sep 08 13:43:44 should i -D it? Sep 08 13:47:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util Sep 08 13:47:47 MacPac: ^ Sep 08 13:49:59 fredrin: been there but i keep getting the same problem over and over.. it says that it cannot claim interface Sep 08 13:50:24 are you in os x or some linux? Sep 08 13:52:20 im on os x (Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface) Sep 08 13:54:41 you've connected the usb directely and not through some usbhub? Sep 08 13:55:46 yeah directly Sep 08 13:55:47 hi all Sep 08 13:55:55 I need help, somebody could help me please? Sep 08 13:55:56 ive managed to ping back and fourth earlier.. Sep 08 13:56:02 booted from the uboot Sep 08 13:56:15 now trying to do the flashing Sep 08 13:56:27 but just get the same problem that it wount claim interface Sep 08 13:56:35 MacPac: i'm not sure then Sep 08 13:56:43 wont* Sep 08 13:56:45 i never touched a mac in my life Sep 08 13:57:02 could try other usb ports, that's my last guess... Sep 08 13:57:36 Hi. I bought an 8GB SanDisk MicroSD card, and I want to find out if I’ll have problems with it and my FreeRunner. What is a good test? Sep 08 13:57:42 MacPac: did you: ./dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 (as methril posted earlier)? Sep 08 13:58:02 nomeata: just plug it in Sep 08 13:58:20 fredrin: are all problems immediatelly visible? Sep 08 13:58:32 yeah i tried that sicu Sep 08 13:58:47 nomeata: what problems are you expecting? Sep 08 13:58:48 i tried to restart it into the mode Sep 08 13:59:07 error resetting after detach: usb_reset(ResetDevice): device not opened for exclusive access Sep 08 13:59:11 nomeata: what kind of file system do you got on the SD? Sep 08 13:59:28 fredrin: not sure, but the lists were full of them, weren’t they? Or was it all the same problem (curruption on suspend)? Sep 08 13:59:38 I’ll use it for running Debian, so ext2 Sep 08 13:59:56 then after that it says opening USB Device.. and i get Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface Sep 08 14:00:21 nomeata: hum that could be, not read the list so carefully lately Sep 08 14:00:24 hmm, seems I’m actually hit by http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 Sep 08 14:03:01 hi anyone using 2008.8 as their distro ... how long doe sthe battery last for ? Sep 08 14:03:32 (with suspend) Sep 08 14:03:55 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb98fa38dcf3 10/packages/clutter/moblin-proto_git.bb: moblin-proto: Fix PV line Sep 08 14:03:56 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r43d9b81a5978 10/packages/linux/linux-omap_git.bb: linux-omap: Fix PV... do not do these hacks Sep 08 14:03:57 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d7283c73f0d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Add one for ohm Sep 08 14:03:57 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e802d08b157 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Add a SRCREV for moblin-proto Sep 08 14:04:13 MacPac: linux ^^ ... mac is a blank for me, sry Sep 08 14:04:31 lol k Sep 08 14:04:54 i give up on mac for today Sep 08 14:05:03 guess i have to install linux Sep 08 14:05:14 which u recommend? kubuntu? Sep 08 14:05:24 dbmoodb: i got about 8hrs recently on FSO Sep 08 14:06:12 dbmoodb: but im not ultimatively sure, i measured about 6,8hrs but as i started, the battery was already about a fifth emtpy Sep 08 14:06:14 beni_: nar dude i was playing with 2008.8 and it wakes up if you call it / sms it (not sure about the smsin) Sep 08 14:06:37 dbmoodb: i changed from 2008 to FSO recently, to test some things Sep 08 14:06:47 maybe i switch back in a few days Sep 08 14:07:14 pft my fso is debian .. not real fso Sep 08 14:07:29 MacPac: kinda depends if you're used to linux or not ... running gentoo myself Sep 08 14:07:43 nah never tried it before Sep 08 14:07:54 MacPac: if you are a mac user .... try ubuntu and not kubuntu first Sep 08 14:08:00 SICU Sep 08 14:08:01 kubuntu is ubuntu just with kde instead of gnome Sep 08 14:08:06 ~ubuntu Sep 08 14:08:13 ~debian Sep 08 14:08:14 http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents Sep 08 14:08:15 Did you get fixed? ;p Sep 08 14:08:20 ah the bot... oh there the bot is alive Sep 08 14:08:57 aite ill go for ubuntu Sep 08 14:08:58 cheers Sep 08 14:09:14 Dave: meh, ran our of juice before i got a fix Sep 08 14:09:26 someone played with edje_cc=? Sep 08 14:09:42 i tried to get it running under debian lenny but wasnt successfull Sep 08 14:09:44 time to go to bed :p Sep 08 14:09:53 ciao and thanks to everyone who tried to help me out Sep 08 14:09:55 it complained about tag errors inside the file Sep 08 14:10:14 sicu, wtf? Sep 08 14:10:33 bed? Sep 08 14:10:36 what are you, a sif? Sep 08 14:10:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje Sep 08 14:11:16 Dave: hehe ... forgot to charge the battery :p ie ran out of juice Sep 08 14:11:40 bah Sep 08 14:11:52 sicu sicu sicu Sep 08 14:12:51 it was all the talk of cables that threw me off Sep 08 14:12:57 rofl Sep 08 14:13:13 sicu likes 'em black and skinny ;p Sep 08 14:13:27 haha Sep 08 14:13:57 they're very flexible ... i like Sep 08 14:14:03 ;D Sep 08 14:14:21 apt: slap sicu Sep 08 14:14:22 * apt_ slaps sicu, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Sep 08 14:14:29 Any idea what version the recent FRs are? GTA02v6? Sep 08 14:14:30 and sometimes they even give you that hot five volts? ;p Sep 08 14:15:26 ~efi Sep 08 14:15:26 somebody said efi was electronic fuel injection. For cars. You know, it replaced Carburettors about 20 years go. Get with the times. Sep 08 14:15:35 fittegrubbe! Sep 08 14:15:58 ;] Sep 08 14:17:37 :P Sep 08 14:25:17 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r74df5cb939ee 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: reposition main screen icons Sep 08 14:34:41 Torikun! Sep 08 14:34:51 Dave! Sep 08 14:36:00 :D Sep 08 14:40:23 hi, is it possible to install asu to the sd from the pc? Sep 08 14:41:13 somebody knows other (than on the wiki page) compatible battery types for the freerunner with higher capacities? Sep 08 14:43:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r992818f5349c 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add date button (disabled for now) Sep 08 14:46:01 Ive found a nokia bl-5b with 2300mAh, normal freerunner battery has 1200mAh Sep 08 14:52:13 I love my N810 and its batteres Sep 08 14:52:22 :) Sep 08 14:52:25 I'd never let them touch an fr Sep 08 14:52:33 heh Sep 08 14:54:33 hmm 2300mAh Sep 08 14:54:36 i want that Sep 08 14:55:14 but 5000 is better! Sep 08 14:55:22 and 7200 is even better! Sep 08 14:55:41 2300mAh in that small package? Sep 08 14:55:53 There are plenty of elements of ℕ that compare as larger as 2300 :-) Sep 08 14:56:23 possibly.. but not in consumer market Sep 08 14:56:52 oh, Im sorry, it says max2300 mAh.. so it is less Sep 08 14:57:03 Bill_: are you sure? Sep 08 14:57:31 Sargun_Screen: can you point out an example? Sep 08 14:58:08 haha nometa :) Sep 08 15:00:24 :o Sep 08 15:03:05 Oh I'm sorry! I don't trust this fake battery! forget original nokia ones are in the range from 800-1000mAh, maybe those stange highpower batteries could explode like the dell and sony notebook ones ;) Sep 08 15:03:12 heheh Sep 08 15:04:25 haha Sep 08 15:04:42 i can see it now! Sep 08 15:05:19 "turn your FR to an hand granade with this military grade randomly exploding 2000mAh battery. Perfect gift for your mother in law" Sep 08 15:05:43 :D Sep 08 15:05:47 sounds hot ;) Sep 08 15:17:06 hi, got my freerunner this morning. updated and rebooted fine. just rebooted again and now it's hung on the openmoko logo screen. is there a way to reboot it (perhaps holding down combination of buttons) or do I have to pull the battery? Sep 08 15:17:38 remove the battery Sep 08 15:18:08 Bill_: ok thanks Sep 08 15:24:00 sap2: failing that, can you boot to either the NAND or NOR boot menus? Sep 08 15:24:50 Weiss: thanks - removing the battery has worked. Sep 08 15:25:24 it's a cool little device Sep 08 15:27:38 i haven't really played with it that much. i took it off the first charge about 2 to 2.5 hrs ago and according to the battery indicator looks like i have just over half left. Sep 08 15:28:13 gps wifi and bluetooth all turned off Sep 08 15:28:31 does that seem right? Sep 08 15:29:01 sap2, from what i hear Sep 08 15:29:09 it has +- 12 hrs of battery... Sep 08 15:29:16 running qtopia Sep 08 15:29:24 i just held one today Sep 08 15:29:31 so amazingly cool. Sep 08 15:29:48 with qtopia I am on my third day on the battery Sep 08 15:30:10 just using suspend Sep 08 15:30:15 can you mistreat the battery? Sep 08 15:30:26 and powersaving settings Sep 08 15:30:34 transylvania, really? it has suspend? Sep 08 15:30:43 well, my friend didn't know that. :) Sep 08 15:31:16 TAsnn: my neo is actually suspended and wake up for incomming calls Sep 08 15:31:17 is it best to completely charge and then drain it? Sep 08 15:31:18 with qtopia i also get 2-3 days out of it with reasonable amount of talking Sep 08 15:31:20 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r68780a48f6d3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (4 files): Fix state machine transitions in the idlenotifier plugin Sep 08 15:31:21 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra0091e987cb1 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.vala: Remove redundant method Sep 08 15:31:21 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rab9996b7cbdc 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/powercontrol.vala: Fix correct DBus object path for UsbHost Sep 08 15:31:39 Bill_, SO COOL! :) Sep 08 15:31:44 i'll get mine at the 24th. Sep 08 15:31:50 damn that seems to far now. Sep 08 15:31:59 too* Sep 08 15:32:07 Hi, I couldn't boot om from the sd Sep 08 15:32:25 anybody could help me please Sep 08 15:32:26 ? Sep 08 15:32:47 me: what's the problem ? Sep 08 15:32:47 "couldn't boot" isn't exactly a fault description Sep 08 15:33:08 uboot says "can't found uboot.bin in the mmc1:1" Sep 08 15:33:42 what type of partition is it ? Sep 08 15:33:48 ext2/3 ? Sep 08 15:33:51 reminder: we are still looking for openmoko presenters at the austrian linuxday in dornbirn Sep 08 15:33:53 or vfat ? Sep 08 15:33:54 etx2 Sep 08 15:34:04 *ext Sep 08 15:34:04 do you have the new uboot ? Sep 08 15:34:11 i sent an email to the openmoko mailinglist Sep 08 15:34:14 no Sep 08 15:34:33 transylvania: is suspend available in qtopia only? Sep 08 15:34:35 uboot 1.3.2-moko12 (may 9 2009) Sep 08 15:34:36 me: use vfat for boot part on sd Sep 08 15:34:38 *2008 Sep 08 15:34:42 me: you need it, the old one can only boot on jffs/vfat Sep 08 15:34:48 sap2: I don't know Sep 08 15:34:55 where can I get the new uboot? Sep 08 15:35:01 austrian openmoko developers wanted: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/8/20/3004364 Sep 08 15:35:12 me: download.openmoko.org Sep 08 15:35:23 ank how can I install it? oo Sep 08 15:35:40 dfu-util? Sep 08 15:35:43 sap2: I don't have enough time to test all, juste received my new home server an switch, and more time-eater, I have girlfriend ... :) Sep 08 15:35:51 rawr zilla Sep 08 15:36:18 whats the point dave? Sep 08 15:37:26 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ and you should read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot too Sep 08 15:37:33 niets Sep 08 15:38:01 transylvania: did you replace openmoko with qtopia straight away? Sep 08 15:39:24 sap2: yes Sep 08 15:39:33 for the moment I need a working phone Sep 08 15:39:42 I plan to install debian on the sd Sep 08 15:39:49 transylvania: :) i see Sep 08 15:39:55 and test devel version of openmoko Sep 08 15:40:14 I can manage to boot on 2 systems on the sd card Sep 08 15:40:51 transylvania: ah, that sounds like a good idea Sep 08 15:42:10 sorry I can't find uboot.bin in download.openmoko.org Sep 08 15:42:32 i'm using http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ for my updates, is that right? Sep 08 15:44:05 hi. is http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ (20080903) a good place to start? Sep 08 15:44:09 stability wise? Sep 08 15:45:45 The Guilts Sep 08 15:46:22 Dave: hey. Sep 08 15:46:25 :) Sep 08 15:46:30 it's been a while so I thought i should check now. Sep 08 15:47:49 good idea Sep 08 15:48:37 well. so it's a good idea to upgrade? Sep 08 15:49:27 No idea :D Sep 08 15:49:42 I'm debating the same thing, since 2007.2 got abandoned :( Sep 08 15:50:00 yeah :( i liked the 2007.2 with mwester's kernels Sep 08 15:50:25 I installed the new uboot but I'm getting the same error: uboot not found in mmc1:1, what I have to do Sep 08 15:50:28 ? Sep 08 15:50:50 Guilt, we are all disappointed - but what to do now Sep 08 15:51:26 Dave: could you help me please? Sep 08 15:51:40 2008.9? Sep 08 15:51:54 idk. i thought the gtk interface looked cool Sep 08 15:51:59 yeah Sep 08 15:52:08 and I don't want that shitty qtopia-like interface ASU had Sep 08 15:53:56 anyone know how to fix the call volume in qtopia on freerunner? Sep 08 15:54:15 failing that, what is *THE* best thing to run on my freerunner today to turn it into a working phone? Sep 08 15:54:30 what's wrong with the volume then? Sep 08 15:54:34 <-- been a while since i fussed with the freerunner, coz i got an iphone Sep 08 15:54:38 Tm_T: its very, very low Sep 08 15:54:45 call volume i mean. can hardly hear the other person. Sep 08 15:56:32 torpor: traitor Sep 08 15:57:51 :D Sep 08 15:58:10 we need an inquisiton squad Sep 08 15:58:45 damnit i just wanna work on apps, not on fighting the rest of the system Sep 08 15:58:52 catching all those traitors who don't believe the right open faith Sep 08 15:59:00 burn Sep 08 15:59:03 and frankly the freerunner is too much hassle right now. i still have both my neo and fr, don't worry, i just wanna wait until the dust settles. Sep 08 15:59:24 bumbl: we have Richard M Stallman already ? Sep 08 15:59:35 Tm_T: :D Sep 08 16:05:59 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r10d67503b18c 10/opimd/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Sep 08 16:05:59 freesmartphone.org: Remove unnecessary *_threads_init() calls Sep 08 16:05:59 freesmartphone.org: Do not remove '+' characters from phone numbers Sep 08 16:05:59 freesmartphone.org: Fix comments on same lines as code Sep 08 16:06:02 freesmartphone.org: Make GObject callbacks return proper values Sep 08 16:06:04 freesmartphone.org: Change signature for GetMultipleResults() from a{ia{sv}} to (a{sv}) Sep 08 16:06:06 freesmartphone.org: Fix wrong indentation for SingleQueryHandler.check_new_message() Sep 08 16:14:54 torpor: I use the actual dev version of qtopia, problem fixed Sep 08 16:19:40 There's a fix for qtopia? Sep 08 16:21:04 I'm using daily snapshots and the call volume problem is not fixed for me Sep 08 16:34:21 johnsu01: set mic2 to 3? Sep 08 16:34:29 lindi-: tried it Sep 08 16:36:27 hello Sep 08 16:36:36 how can i read the actual hardware clocktime? Sep 08 16:39:21 hwclock? Sep 08 16:40:42 hwhax? Sep 08 16:43:15 # hwclock Sep 08 16:43:17 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory Sep 08 16:43:28 hwhax doesn't exist Sep 08 16:43:33 i have 2008.8 Sep 08 16:46:37 :D Sep 08 16:47:44 white_gecko, its in /dev/rtc0 Sep 08 16:50:06 Sup3rkiddo: how do i tell this hwclock? Sep 08 16:50:21 hwclock sync? Sep 08 16:50:38 ne Sep 08 16:50:43 # hwclock sync Sep 08 16:50:45 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory Sep 08 16:50:51 hwclock --systohc Sep 08 16:51:58 no Sep 08 16:58:16 hm Sep 08 16:58:29 ok i have to leave, cu Sep 08 17:02:18 someone here tried OpenMoko Flasher for Mac OS X? Sep 08 17:03:19 Someone using OpenMoko Flasher for Mac OS X? Sep 08 17:03:41 trying to do a backup here with the dfu-util Sep 08 17:04:00 Getting this error: Cannot set alternate interface: usb_set_altinterface: could not set alternate interface Sep 08 17:08:32 btw is there a nice windows gui for dfu-util? or linux gui? Sep 08 17:08:45 why? Sep 08 17:09:04 dno Sep 08 17:09:14 i like guis Sep 08 17:09:16 :) Sep 08 17:09:19 heh Sep 08 17:09:33 sonmehow I don't see reason for that Sep 08 17:09:38 *some Sep 08 17:09:58 I see a reason for it - once it's consumer ready. Sep 08 17:10:03 But it's not very urgent. Sep 08 17:10:18 will gta03 be consumer ready? Sep 08 17:10:22 Yes. Sep 08 17:10:25 So will GTA01 Sep 08 17:10:29 but... Sep 08 17:10:33 meh consumer, I still belive it will stay as nerdy phone and nerdy phones don't need gui Sep 08 17:10:41 anyone had my problem with the dfu-util? Sep 08 17:10:46 There is nothing wrong with GTA01,2 or (probably) 3 hardwarewise Sep 08 17:10:48 is gta03 better in performance than gta02? Sep 08 17:10:52 Want to do a backup of my "default" system before flashing 2008.08 on it Sep 08 17:10:52 Does anyone know what kind of dialer is used in ASU? Qtopia? Gtk? Efl? Sep 08 17:10:57 they can all do absolutely fine as a consumer phone. Sep 08 17:10:58 as in performance Sep 08 17:11:00 Zilla: maybe Sep 08 17:11:12 so when will gta03 be available?:S Sep 08 17:11:18 Zilla: it's got a faster processor, but no graphics accellerator chip - which makes it faster in some ways. Sep 08 17:11:24 Zilla: months at teh very least. Sep 08 17:11:31 and slower in some other Sep 08 17:11:31 I'd be somewhat surprised at xmas. Sep 08 17:11:56 * Zilla is looking for a new phone.... Sep 08 17:12:15 Zilla: OM is _NOT_ going to be usable as a consumer phone for maybe a year. Sep 08 17:12:28 well if it can call and send text Sep 08 17:12:29 \o/ loads of fun Sep 08 17:12:31 it be fine Sep 08 17:12:34 Zilla: for uncritical users with picked images, it can work. Sep 08 17:12:44 ;) Sep 08 17:12:56 ShellEvil, do you have an FR gta02? Sep 08 17:13:02 Expecting every daily to work for any image is probably a bad plan. Sep 08 17:13:15 No - i paid for a GTA01 - and absolutely can't do the same for GTA02 a tthe moment. Sep 08 17:13:17 Yeah... I was really happy with the lastest update to OM2008.08 until I realized I couldn't connect to my GSM network with it. >.< Sep 08 17:13:23 Speedevil, but it makes for a good time! ;D Sep 08 17:13:51 Even though the previous version of 2008.08 would connect just fine. Sep 08 17:15:19 gargoyle_grin: latest works fine for me.. Sep 08 17:15:28 rmoravcik: dobry vecer Sep 08 17:15:48 ShellEvil, what mobile operator do you use? Sep 08 17:16:30 Hmm... Odd. I've restarted gsmd and reseated my SIM card (after shutting it down, of course). That's about all I can think to do. Sep 08 17:22:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc36ffb170474 10/tools/makedoc.py: relicense makedoc.py and add notice Sep 08 17:22:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5d6783c7a612 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Sep 08 17:22:28 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call: fix parameter direction in Emergency() call and add some docs Sep 08 17:22:28 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: correct description of mandatory element in GetSimInfo (s/imei/imsi) Sep 08 17:22:31 freesmartphone.org: Thanks Thomas Seiler for spotting. Sep 08 17:45:13 man, I totally need to retrofit these old lcd displays Sep 08 18:04:16 hi... does anyone of you know how to switch off automatic pop-up of the keyboard in 2008.08? Sep 08 18:04:26 i just want it when i call it Sep 08 18:04:43 (when i push the "qwerty" button Sep 08 18:04:46 ) Sep 08 18:07:27 daes anyone know how to do it? Sep 08 18:07:42 Apparently not. Sep 08 18:09:52 doh Sep 08 18:12:30 i have downloaded raster's image and it seems like bluetooth support broke when i attempted to use it (after opkg update/upgrade) Sep 08 18:13:46 bluetooth have worked before the flashing/upgrading, i powered it in with echo 1 > .../power_on and 0 > .../reset Sep 08 18:14:29 why do you say it's broken? Sep 08 18:14:51 because when i run hcitool scanning it says No such device Sep 08 18:15:12 and it no longer shows up in lsusb.. Sep 08 18:15:44 feitingen: there have been some recent changes to bluez that have come down from upstream :( Sep 08 18:16:01 double check has the hidd command gone too? Sep 08 18:16:32 jsut a second, just let me give it something to find Sep 08 18:17:13 it finishes it search in milliseconds.. Sep 08 18:17:19 probably dead Sep 08 18:18:14 I think you now have to use dbus to turn on bluetooth Sep 08 18:18:58 aw Sep 08 18:19:25 see if you still have a : hidd Sep 08 18:19:27 command Sep 08 18:19:30 i still have it Sep 08 18:19:55 lucky you then, perhaps you don't have to do the dbus stuff Sep 08 18:20:25 on the FSO updates it went awol, apparently hidd etc are now depricated :) Sep 08 18:22:05 is hcitool and sdptool also deprecated then? Sep 08 18:22:18 are Sep 08 18:22:27 thanks Sep 08 18:22:32 hcitool is still there but hidd has gone :( Sep 08 18:23:02 :( Sep 08 18:23:22 there is not a simple replacement for it either Sep 08 18:23:29 i wanted to try out bluez-alsa.. Sep 08 18:23:59 the bluez people seem to want everyone to use the gui tools to config and manage bluetooth Sep 08 18:24:30 but someone will probably write python dbus cli stuff anyways... Sep 08 18:26:27 feitingen: hopefully :) the problem at the moment is that most people still have the old packages with hidd in them Sep 08 18:32:25 somebody know how much FR's are sold till now ? Sep 08 18:32:51 3 Sep 08 18:32:57 hehe Sep 08 18:32:58 lol Sep 08 18:33:06 several thousand. Sep 08 18:33:09 probably. Sep 08 18:33:21 I have the feeling it's probably 1-2K Sep 08 18:33:29 but nothing to really base that on. Sep 08 18:33:33 just found it interesting :) Sep 08 18:33:43 and they have all been on here asking how to use the pin dialog :) Sep 08 18:34:29 Tig|: have u managed to boot ubuntu to flash ur FR? Sep 08 18:34:48 SpeedEvil: that'd mean 20% of FR owners are in this channel Sep 08 18:35:22 eh? I have about 5 ubuntu boxes here :) last night I was trying to help a mac owner boot ubuntu so they could flash their device :) Sep 08 18:35:39 oh.. okay that was it :) Sep 08 18:35:39 nyu: They sold about 2000 GTA01 too Sep 08 18:36:05 20% here -- that implies that 80% of them either A) haven't attempted to us the device at all, or B) haven't had any problems with the device at all. Which do you suspect it is? Sep 08 18:36:19 Hehe Sep 08 18:37:21 so there are no "openstatistics" on it Sep 08 18:37:41 I know, I've asked before Sep 08 18:38:19 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d40d20e1866 10/packages/mozilla/firefox_3.0.1.bb: [firefox] disable PARALLEL_MAKE as it breaks build Sep 08 18:38:19 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2883807e5057 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] remove emacs as it doesnt build. Sep 08 18:38:20 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r93a2a8deac6b 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev Sep 08 18:38:20 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re48650ad54ca 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Sep 08 18:47:45 How's your moko today? Sep 08 18:48:02 it crashed overnight Sep 08 18:48:06 even though I have suspend turned off Sep 08 18:48:32 mine keeps dying overnight if I leave the wall charger connected Sep 08 18:48:36 right Sep 08 18:48:39 that's what happened Sep 08 18:48:45 wall charger bad Sep 08 18:48:45 it didn't before Sep 08 18:48:47 is my conclusion Sep 08 18:48:49 oh Sep 08 18:48:54 Yep! Sep 08 18:48:56 no crashes for me :D can i be considered lucky? Sep 08 18:48:56 It does that Sep 08 18:48:57 doesn't do that on usb Sep 08 18:49:01 huh Sep 08 18:49:08 but using usb means having my laptop on all night Sep 08 18:49:09 I believe I reported that behavior over a month ago Sep 08 18:49:12 johnsu01: or bug Sep 08 18:49:23 cjb, would you like some cheese to go with your whine? :) Sep 08 18:49:27 :) Sep 08 18:49:31 johnsu01: i seen moko stoping charging for no reason Sep 08 18:50:41 It stops liking you. Sep 08 18:50:53 Dave:lol Sep 08 18:51:47 * torindel sends evil ninja cats after Dave moko Sep 08 18:54:58 :o Sep 08 18:55:02 MUTANT NINJA PIRATE CATS Sep 08 18:55:04 Noooooooooo, not my moko! Sep 08 18:55:07 * Dave hides Sep 08 18:57:47 SUPER MUTANT NINJA NORWEGIANS!? Sep 08 18:59:08 I think they prefer the name "Trolltech" Sep 08 18:59:31 :DDD Sep 08 18:59:32 np: Oasis - Troll with it. Sep 08 18:59:39 Big Trollin' Baby? Sep 08 19:03:41 hi! i installed xterm and terminal but have no keyboard-emu there. what must i install to have the keyboard? Sep 08 19:04:03 2008.8-update Sep 08 19:11:12 any1 knows what package me have to install to get the virtual-keyboard with xterm and/or konsole? 2008.2-update Sep 08 19:18:04 Hi, I have a problem with openmoko, anybody could help me please? Sep 08 19:18:17 me too, I have never seen a Linux crashing so often :( Sep 08 19:18:30 me: you better not part after asking question :) Sep 08 19:18:40 LionKMP: segfault? Sep 08 19:18:59 LionKMP: which distro? Sep 08 19:19:01 I installed it on a sd, but a kernel panic occurres on the second boot Sep 08 19:19:01 lindi-: no, just back screen and no way to come back (taking out battery is the only way) Sep 08 19:19:11 me: so it boots fine the first time? Sep 08 19:19:12 wurp2|working: 2008.8 update 1 + all updates from yesterday. Sep 08 19:19:18 LionKMP: are you sure it is linux issue? Sep 08 19:19:19 LionKMP: Is it just suspending? Sep 08 19:19:23 Yasumoto: yes Sep 08 19:19:54 me: installed what? Sep 08 19:19:58 wurp2|working: Yes, I think. And sometimes pressing power starts the shutdown process. Sep 08 19:20:19 LionKMP: I don't use 2008.8, but I would think there's a way to configure it not to suspend... Sep 08 19:21:15 wurp2|working: well, there was a way. but I think this update made it worse. Before this, it crashed just sometimes (e.g. GPS & Maps app running and stops responding) Sep 08 19:21:25 it stopped responding in settings app too sometimes. Sep 08 19:21:36 but now, this is worse, can't even use it :-p Sep 08 19:21:44 :-( Sep 08 19:21:57 That's why I'm on a 3 month old ScaredyCat release Sep 08 19:22:34 I understand that. I think there should be a large effort to make a minimum stability. Sep 08 19:22:59 This whole distro runs on one single hardware, so Openmoko can't even say there are issues with many hardware, like normal Linux distros have the problem. Sep 08 19:23:19 yep Sep 08 19:23:32 I'll try to uninstall illume-config, maybe that made some problems. Sep 08 19:24:52 has anyone ever kept a list of all the things mickey does? Sep 08 19:25:06 * Is fine Sep 08 19:25:12 * Blows my mind Sep 08 19:25:13 I've seen dinner, lunch, couch, work, and now mickey|sports Sep 08 19:25:18 * kirun ducks Sep 08 19:27:15 me: ? Sep 08 19:27:45 ab0oo: You missed tv Sep 08 19:27:53 lindi-: what? Sep 08 19:28:07 that too. Sep 08 19:28:16 ab0oo: "zZzz" Sep 08 19:28:22 lindi-: I have an error with qtopia and openmoko on sd, I get kernel panic error Sep 08 19:28:30 and my favorite: mickey:answeringdumbdbusquestions Sep 08 19:29:23 ok, I installed some unstable things probably. Sep 08 19:29:28 me: do you have a correct root parameter ? Sep 08 19:29:28 what is GPE? (taking 50% of CPU) Sep 08 19:29:42 is there any way to have Illume auto-start certain applications after booting the Neo? Sep 08 19:29:43 transylvania: the first boot had no problems Sep 08 19:29:52 LionKMP: whack it and see what dies :-) Sep 08 19:30:39 heh Sep 08 19:30:44 FATALITY! Sep 08 19:30:53 isn't any one allowed to send to the bugs mailing list unless he's a developer ? Sep 08 19:31:23 developers aren't? Sep 08 19:31:39 developers are allowed Sep 08 19:31:40 me: what is the error message befor panic ? Sep 08 19:31:44 hm, killed. hehe, a window appeared, that this should not happen and this is probably a bug in Qtopia, press OK to restart. :) Sep 08 19:31:45 normal people aren't ? Sep 08 19:31:49 Dave: my bad english .. sorry Sep 08 19:31:53 :x Sep 08 19:31:58 transylvania: please wait Sep 08 19:32:22 CVirus: send bug reports to http://docs.openmoko.org instead Sep 08 19:32:38 LionKMP: I just wanted to comment on a thread Sep 08 19:32:47 ah I see Sep 08 19:32:55 is it possible ? Sep 08 19:33:22 I sent but it failed Sep 08 19:33:32 did it say you must be member? Sep 08 19:33:41 transylvania: debugfs dir creation failed -19 Sep 08 19:33:41 unsupported configuration opcode: 3 Sep 08 19:33:41 unsupported configuration opcode: 5 Sep 08 19:33:41 kernel panic- not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (179,2) Sep 08 19:33:49 A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: Sep 08 19:33:57 bugs@docs.openmoko.org Sep 08 19:34:03 local delivery failed Sep 08 19:34:08 wurp2|working: GPE restarted by the error message window and it is eating CPU again. 62%. :) Sep 08 19:34:13 haha Sep 08 19:34:15 megafail Sep 08 19:34:16 LionKMP: Hmm, you said GPE. I think you mean qpe Sep 08 19:34:19 from Mail Delivery System Sep 08 19:34:21 me: looks like a bad root parameter Sep 08 19:34:33 LionKMP: any clue ? Sep 08 19:34:34 qpe is the daemon that handles phone calls for qtopia, I think Sep 08 19:34:35 wurp2|working: hm, now that you say.... yes :) Sep 08 19:34:46 hello, I need an image for testing all the functionalities of the openmoko...as I will retrieve it soon(this week)...and i want to know if the phone i bought has no hardware defect that was not present on all the others openmoko that have been produced...so what image should i chose? 2008.8?(it has problems with the wifi...but what kind of problems?) and it has suspend problems... Sep 08 19:34:49 transylvania: what I have to do? Sep 08 19:35:01 brokenmoko.org? Sep 08 19:35:14 me: verify you uboot config Sep 08 19:35:17 LionKMP: It seems very wrong for it to take up 62% - even if you were on a call, it shouldn't Sep 08 19:35:18 CVirus: no, but why that is not listed here? http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ are you sure that's a real mailing list? Sep 08 19:35:18 your Sep 08 19:35:28 transylvania: where? (sorry but I'm noob) Sep 08 19:35:51 LionKMP: hmm .. I guess it's just the bugzilla updates ... thank you :-D Sep 08 19:35:55 trac* Sep 08 19:36:17 not sure Sep 08 19:36:19 damn Sep 08 19:36:23 yep, I thought the same :) so then you can reply the thread on docs.openmoko.org. Sep 08 19:36:35 ah cool Sep 08 19:36:41 thanks again Sep 08 19:36:51 np, I hope that will work. Sep 08 19:37:17 Dave, lol...I just bought a micro-sd card...if it's not possible to test all the functionalities...should I and could I multiboot on the sd ASU and FSO? Sep 08 19:38:04 Gnutoo: I think it will take several weeks to learn the system and be able to test. (at least it is taking for me) Sep 08 19:38:21 Gnutoo: additionally, you can flash another system very fast, so you can test whatever works in which system. Sep 08 19:38:54 LionKMP, ok thanks...(i have 2 days to test it) Sep 08 19:39:04 Gnutoo: why only 2? Sep 08 19:39:34 me => wiki "booting on sd card" Sep 08 19:39:40 LionKMP, yes I will be in Paris for 2 days...after I go back to where I live for a Math exam... Sep 08 19:40:53 I see. hehe, hm... I needed a lot more time to test half of it :) but you may be more experienced. Sep 08 19:42:04 transylvania, thanks I didn't know there was a possibility to modify uboot's config file like GRUB Sep 08 19:42:23 You have failed to achieve victory! Sep 08 19:45:53 gesd was also taking a lot of CPU (that's Gestures I think) Sep 08 19:48:27 Gnutoo: you could port grub instead Sep 08 19:48:30 LionKMP: That seems normal to me Sep 08 19:48:31 it's portable now Sep 08 19:48:52 nyu, lol...grub2 because grub1 is not portable Sep 08 19:49:01 wurp2|working: well, I removed. the whole phone works so slow since the updates/newsoftware yesterday. Sep 08 19:49:03 Gnutoo: right Sep 08 19:49:11 Gnutoo: how's that funny? :-) Sep 08 19:49:26 something made qpe so active, but I don't know how to find. Sep 08 19:49:27 LionKMP: Yeah, normal doesn't mean it's not a problem :-) Sep 08 19:50:04 LionKMP: You could try running qpe under strace Sep 08 19:50:17 nyu, grub2 is not ready yet...but it has great things such as support for software raid drives if i remember well Sep 08 19:50:23 lpotter might be able to tell you a better way, though Sep 08 19:51:13 Gnutoo: why do you think it's not ready? Sep 08 19:51:18 moin moin Sep 08 19:51:24 wurp2|working: it went down now, maybe it finished something... :-p (took something like 10 minutes) Sep 08 19:52:18 hai Sep 08 19:53:36 nyu, don't know well...i heard long time ago that it was still in heavy developement and in my distribution(gentoo) it's hard masked Sep 08 19:55:39 Gnutoo: yeah, it's in heavy development, but that doesn't mean it's not ready (in contrast, GRUB Legacy is almost stalled) Sep 08 19:55:43 LionKMP: hai :) Sep 08 19:55:57 Gnutoo: as for Gentoo, you could tell them to un-hard-mark it Sep 08 19:56:17 hali :) Sep 08 19:56:33 LionKMP: check your invites:> Sep 08 19:56:47 what's that? Sep 08 19:56:59 It was me logging in Sep 08 19:59:47 Is there a decent sip/voip client available for the freerunner? That really would be perfect. Sep 08 20:12:36 lesouvage, is tapioca a lib or a voip client or is it a lib? Sep 08 20:14:44 lesouvage: which software stack are you using? Sep 08 20:17:10 i am interrested in voip too...i would use openmoko->voip-client->openvpn->asterisk Sep 08 20:17:39 Gnutoo, asterisk isn't a voip client Sep 08 20:17:53 Andre613, i know...it's my voip server Sep 08 20:18:20 Andre613, but i need to patch it in order to have speex as codec Sep 08 20:20:01 because the gsm codec doesn't have a good quality Sep 08 20:21:27 this is what i want to have too Sep 08 20:21:54 but without openvpn Sep 08 20:23:22 hi Sep 08 20:23:43 anyone using an additional usb keyboard here ? Sep 08 20:23:50 - Sep 08 20:23:51 dumb question - is openmoko only for cellphones, or is it also suitable for non-cellphone PDAs such as iPaqs? Sep 08 20:25:16 aum, FSO support many architectures Sep 08 20:25:40 Gnutoo: I think I have heard of most voip clients and tapioca doesn' ring a bell Sep 08 20:25:57 my logs tell me: # Sep 08 20:25:57 input: HID Keyboard Device as /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2.3/1-2.3:1.0/input/input9 Sep 08 20:25:57 # Sep 08 20:25:57 input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [HID Keyboard Device] on usb-s3c24xx-2.3 Sep 08 20:26:11 but keyboard doesn't work Sep 08 20:26:19 Andre613: not one yet, waiting for the postman Sep 08 20:26:19 lambda: ok. I've just bought an old ipaq 4350, and am trying to learn the Angstrom/OpenEmbedded development cycle - would it profit me to switch to OpenMoko instead? Sep 08 20:26:20 even if it recognized Sep 08 20:26:54 lesouvage, ah ok it's a lib Sep 08 20:27:01 but it was in or Sep 08 20:27:04 s/or/oe Sep 08 20:27:57 Gnutoo: I'm in Asterisk too. Actally, i'm trying to make a living with Asterisk related services. My dream is to use Asterisk in front of the telephony so you can script all kind of smart thinks. Sep 08 20:29:02 lesouvage, for me it's more a matter of having private conversation...i used it in my router(piii500),but the wifi doesn't work well(i need to fix it) Sep 08 20:29:10 s/conversation/conversations Sep 08 20:30:00 i use this kind of input keyboard http://www.clavier-souple.com/IMG/clavier-silicone-souple-1.jpg Sep 08 20:31:45 lambda, i can't help because i don't know enough on the keyboard but mabe you could tell us what image are you using Sep 08 20:32:18 lambda, by the way...long time ago i saw updates on keyboard support in the planet Sep 08 20:33:21 Is there a list somewhere on the internet with the apps that are available for the freerunner? I searched for it but haven't find it. Sep 08 20:33:55 lesouvage: that would depend on what image and feeds you are using :) Sep 08 20:33:57 Gnutoo, i use fso-testing Sep 08 20:34:18 i 'm gonna glance the planet thx Sep 08 20:34:37 lesouvage: you can browse through the oe/openmoko package repository Sep 08 20:35:18 here it is: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716 Sep 08 20:36:18 Tigl: first I want to go for the most stable. Sep 08 20:37:11 lesouvage: well that depends on your point of view :) Sep 08 20:40:26 Tigl: I have used a hacked iPhone for the lost half year and I'm used to reboot it once i a while. But it would be nice to place and receive phonecalls, send an sms and browse the iternet without to many problems. Sep 08 20:41:26 shr.bearstech.com is still down :-( Sep 08 20:41:54 * lambda get it Sep 08 20:42:37 the feeds are there, but I can't run the autobuilder to update them Sep 08 20:42:46 so they are already out of date Sep 08 20:42:50 bye all Sep 08 20:44:22 haw Sep 08 20:44:31 rwhitby, isn't it disappointing? Sep 08 20:44:35 Kensan, is there a convenient way to browser the repos? (i.e. not opkg ...) Sep 08 20:44:57 Dave: I'm setting up alternative infrastructure on builder.nslu2-linux.org Sep 08 20:45:35 yep Sep 08 20:45:41 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/ and http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/images/freesmartphone/ Sep 08 20:45:48 fso-testing is built Sep 08 20:45:53 working on fso-unstable now Sep 08 20:45:53 ah Sep 08 20:46:09 I still can't decide what distro to move on to after 2007.2 Sep 08 20:46:20 Though I'll still keep it around forever. Sep 08 20:46:25 It's sadly still the most usable to me. Sep 08 20:47:57 hai Sep 08 20:50:33 Hello Sep 08 20:52:17 developing an application Openmoko.. can be a termed part of Linux on Embedded development? Sep 08 20:53:11 openmoko could definatly be considered embedded linux :) Sep 08 20:53:29 Tig|: thanks :) Sep 08 20:53:30 hello KewlCat Sep 08 20:53:54 Tig|: i have so far managed to do research on gathering requirements for Sahana :) Sep 08 20:53:57 AJuOnLiNE: that is in my opinion anyway :) Sep 08 20:56:40 Tig|: ok Sep 08 20:58:02 I followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F Sep 08 20:58:15 and now I see a real englightement desktop instead the usual phone desktop. 2008.8. Sep 08 20:58:27 even after reboot, I get a complete linux desktop. Sep 08 20:58:35 Tig|: can I use the emulator to test out different builds available ? Sep 08 21:00:11 probably, to be honest I have never run openmoko on qemu but I am sure there are plenty of people who have :) Sep 08 21:01:33 I think i will use FSO...it's written that gsm is stable,there is a terminal,it seems to have only minor issues,but what doesn't work? Sep 08 21:02:00 Gnutoo: what has keyboard to do with fso-frameworkd? Sep 08 21:02:00 oki should be doing that tomorrow.. so wanted to confirm.. Sep 08 21:02:05 bluetooth doesn't work...but would it work if i build command line package? Sep 08 21:03:06 lindi-, I supposed that the keyboard was recognized by the kernel but that the framework GUI didn't make use of the hardware keyboard Sep 08 21:03:11 Gnutoo: and why not? Sep 08 21:03:38 (just load usb host and usb bluetooth modules and turn on power in /sys) Sep 08 21:04:03 Amorphous: you can try the git repos Sep 08 21:04:27 torindel, ah for bluetooth...i supposed that what's was written in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions was true Sep 08 21:04:28 Amorphous: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree;f=packages;h=44b0a31c7a253ab8ef8bfa80cdf274e9032e73fe;hb=3b3b71ef3d8c299ac3f26000a4658cd8eaf9e203 Sep 08 21:04:35 Gnutoo: X programs don't know where the input comes Sep 08 21:05:11 lindi-, ah ok...i only used the gtk api...so i don't know much...thanks Sep 08 21:05:46 not what i had in mind, although useful for another purpose, thank you Sep 08 21:07:28 hey I see an enligthement full desktop when X starts up, any ideas? How to get back to openmoko icons? Sep 08 21:07:55 LionKMP : which distribution ? Sep 08 21:08:04 LionKMP : 2008.8 ? Sep 08 21:08:11 yes Sep 08 21:08:22 I did this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F Sep 08 21:08:32 last command resulted in a normal Linux desktop :( Sep 08 21:09:20 LionKMP : can you try to run "illume" in a terminal ? Sep 08 21:09:46 LionKMP : (or in a console...) Sep 08 21:10:26 I'll try with DISPLAY=:0 in ssh Sep 08 21:10:42 illume command not found Sep 08 21:10:46 uh oh Sep 08 21:11:41 LionKMP : You only installed illume-config and illume-config-illume ? Sep 08 21:11:51 today yes Sep 08 21:12:29 have you done rm -rf /something ? lionKMP? Sep 08 21:12:39 yes ,as written on that page Sep 08 21:12:54 rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume Sep 08 21:13:32 attempting to opkg update Sep 08 21:13:33 have done the same but I think that was on ly for that build.. not for mine.. I had to reflash cause I didnt know any further :( Sep 08 21:13:47 i 've got many * Package XXXXXX md5sum mismatch. Sep 08 21:15:31 Package XXXXXXXX md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Sep 08 21:15:36 pretty cool Sep 08 21:16:08 well, ok, thanks all, I'll try again tomorrow. cya Sep 08 21:16:16 "Try 'opkg update'" seems like the solution for everything, if you believe error messages :-D Sep 08 21:16:41 ah...wow suspend seems to work too with FSO milestone II according to a blog...I can't wait for my device Sep 08 21:16:48 of course i tryed it Sep 08 21:16:53 with no success Sep 08 21:17:04 Gnutoo: I think that works in 2008.8 too (it suspends here) Sep 08 21:17:12 it's so obvious that i can't be the truth Sep 08 21:17:14 wow Sep 08 21:17:24 Gnutoo: hopefully Milestone 3 will be out soon :) Sep 08 21:17:54 Tig|, ok...one week? one month? Sep 08 21:18:24 * lambda heard a couple of days, three weeks ago .. Sep 08 21:18:25 well mickey was hoping for last weekend Sep 08 21:18:41 so soon (tm) Sep 08 21:19:34 ok thanks Sep 08 21:24:03 i must go...bye Sep 08 21:34:15 question: is it advisable to remove the references to the buildhost repos that are present in the current images? Sep 08 21:34:27 Toaster`: why? Sep 08 21:35:02 cjb: well, is there any chance that 2008.8 will draw packages from there, and break as per the /topic Sep 08 21:36:17 cjb Sep 08 21:36:24 cjb: nevermind Sep 08 21:36:49 I had an old shell open, everything is good now Sep 08 21:38:56 is Milestone 3 supposed to suspend/resume reliably ? Sep 08 21:43:25 CVirus: well milestone 2 is quite good at suspend resume so hopefully they are getting there :) Sep 08 21:43:43 Tig|: do you use Milestone 2? Sep 08 21:43:50 yes :) Sep 08 21:43:59 how's it working for you? Sep 08 21:44:58 GPS just works and is ace, had a couple of phone bugs but I am running updates from the bearstech feed Sep 08 21:45:14 wifi with lint wifi connects to my WPA network fine Sep 08 21:45:22 SMS working ok? Sep 08 21:45:31 ah SMS is where it falls down Sep 08 21:45:46 but that is something that milestone 3 is supposed to be fixing :) Sep 08 21:46:22 and is due soon :) Sep 08 21:46:29 interesting Sep 08 21:47:04 does tangogps work? Sep 08 21:47:09 oh yes ;0 Sep 08 21:47:12 :) even Sep 08 21:47:20 Toaster`? Sep 08 21:47:28 interesting... I'll have to give it a try Sep 08 21:47:29 apologies, using a crap keyboard here Sep 08 21:47:40 MrSkittle: yes? Sep 08 21:47:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRUiisZD_4 Sep 08 21:48:09 Toaster`: it should even be on the default image you get, but I would wait a few days for FSO milestone 3 :) Sep 08 21:50:27 Tig|: I'll probably give it a try sooner and then update again later. What does it use for a addressbook db? similar to 2007 or 2008? Sep 08 21:51:24 Toaster`: neither as far as I know, the dialer and phone applications are just placeholders and test apps while they fix the underlying problems. Sep 08 21:51:38 ahh ok Sep 08 21:51:48 so the interface is not as polished but is functional Sep 08 21:53:24 the idea being that someone else will but a better interface on it, the FSO people are making the underlying stuff rock solid and easy to interface with Sep 08 21:54:04 Tig|: I'll take the stability over looks. And you said that suspend/resume works fine? Sep 08 21:54:12 [Bug] #1973: Enlightenment is slow to start / restart / update ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1973 ) Sep 08 21:54:12 [Bug] #1974: Enlightenment is slow to start / restart / update ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1974 ) Sep 08 21:55:07 it works better than anything else I have tried, that said it did the other day not let me answer a call but I have been installing all kinds of crap on it and not from the official feeds :) Sep 08 21:55:31 That may affect it :) Sep 08 21:55:58 I've been having nothing but grief from 2008, so good suspend/resume is of interest to me. Sep 08 21:56:03 battery life is still not ace but you can leave it overnight now without it being dead :) Sep 08 21:56:17 hell, that's a nice improvement Sep 08 21:56:28 you running testing or unstable?> Sep 08 21:56:50 testing from the bearstech feeds Sep 08 21:57:13 but they fell over earlier with a hardware problem :( Sep 08 21:57:33 so really I am just going to wait for MS3 and reflash cleanly :) Sep 08 21:57:41 ahh Sep 08 21:59:13 I did use it as my primary phone running 2007 for a while but my gf got annoyed with me as my phone was always off because I had either forgotten to plug it in or was reflashing it or had killed the gsmd process :) Sep 08 21:59:45 if they do fix the sms issues on MS3 then I will be using it again as my main phone :) Sep 08 22:01:15 Hi, has anybody experience with using linux under VMware fusion to do openmoko flashing stuff? Sep 08 22:01:47 mind you, "No I did not get that text from you suggesting we go visit your mother this weekend, I must have been reflashing my phone at the time...." would be rather handy :) Sep 08 22:01:52 is it possible to use an OpenEmbedded tree as an ipkg feed source? Sep 08 22:02:10 Tig|: heh Sep 08 22:02:42 <|FiLiP|> anakron: I've done it succesfully using VirtualBox Sep 08 22:02:52 anakron : dfu-util doesn't exist for your platform ? Sep 08 22:02:54 anakron: not here but if vmware fusion does not interfere with traffic then it might work :) Sep 08 22:03:44 I was successfuly able to get USB networking working in my Ubuntu inside VMware fusion Sep 08 22:04:24 but when trying to connect the device to flash with dfu-util I always get an error Sep 08 22:04:36 anakron : which error ? Sep 08 22:05:14 ubuntu tells me somthing about invalid desciptors and that it could not enumerate the devices Sep 08 22:05:27 Tig|: I'm off, thanks for the info Sep 08 22:05:36 night night :) Sep 08 22:05:38 I think it has something to do with mac os interfering befor vmware can grap the usb Sep 08 22:06:10 |FiLiP|: are you able to flash your openmoko using USB? Sep 08 22:06:50 <|FiLiP|> yes, always using usb in VirtualBox for reflashing Sep 08 22:07:24 <|FiLiP|> when you get the error, did you try to re-plug the FR ? Sep 08 22:08:30 KewlCat: dfu-util works exists for mac but I prefer Linux to do my experiments as I know it better. But I like to do it form MacOS an not to reboot: *lazy* Sep 08 22:09:09 What's the difference between dfu-util run from MacOS and dfu-util run from Linux ? :-p Sep 08 22:09:44 (if it's only for flashing the FreeRunner) Sep 08 22:10:12 |FiLiP|: I tried VirtualBox (2.0) too but there I get an error when trying to connect the usb device to VirtualBox it. It tells me thath it could not create a proxy device for it Sep 08 22:12:16 until now I could not get the mac version of dfu-util working either. it detects the device but I can not flash it. Sep 08 22:12:25 <|FiLiP|> well, I'm using it on a windows host, not mac Sep 08 22:13:00 anakron : have you already managed to flash your phone or not ? Sep 08 22:13:28 not on my mac Sep 08 22:14:06 anakron : but under Linux (NOT a "virtual" Linux), yes ? Sep 08 22:14:13 anakron : ok Sep 08 22:14:43 yes I have an ubuntu and there it works Sep 08 22:14:51 anakron : when is the phone plugged in ? before or after it is booter under U-Doot ? Sep 08 22:15:05 anakron : "booted" Sep 08 22:15:11 I tried both Sep 08 22:15:15 and "U-Boot" Sep 08 22:15:38 * KewlCat should go to bed... too many typos :-P Sep 08 22:16:54 does "dfu-util --list" show you the right device info ? Sep 08 22:17:27 the mac version shows the device info right Sep 08 22:17:57 but the Virtual ubuntu does not even recognize the usb device correctly Sep 08 22:18:15 :-/ Sep 08 22:19:36 And it's the very same Ubuntu you used for your "native" Linux system, so you're sure that there is no kernel module missing Sep 08 22:19:58 I belive that the AppleUSBCDCACM Module from apple is interfering somehow Sep 08 22:20:50 CDCACM ? But when it's in U-Boot it does not declare itself as a CDCACM device ?!? Sep 08 22:20:52 weird Sep 08 22:23:26 I know but MacOS loads it when I first plug it in booted in "U-Boot"! Sep 08 22:23:52 :-/ Sep 08 22:24:07 But it tells me too that: configureACM faild Sep 08 22:25:35 any of you geniuses used the new bluez tools with no HIDD daemon? Sep 08 22:25:45 I hoped to find notserpe as he has writen something about VMware Fusion in the wiki Sep 08 22:27:14 anakron : well... good luck ! I have no Mac / VMWare Fusion to test this on, and no other idea... Sep 08 22:27:39 thank you for your help Sep 08 22:27:47 anakron ;-) Sep 08 22:35:40 KewlCat: I just noticed that the openmoko u-boot identifies itself as CDC-ASM device under ubuntu too. Sep 08 22:37:09 wow Sep 08 22:38:24 now the question is "why ?" :-D Sep 08 22:38:49 isn't this normal? It works there! Sep 08 22:40:20 openmoko: 03werner * r4637 10/developers/werner/dbgrst/ (Makefile dbgrst.c): Sep 08 22:40:20 openmoko: - dbgrst.c (set_high): repeat the command several times since it sometimes gets Sep 08 22:40:20 openmoko: lost Sep 08 22:40:20 openmoko: - Makefile: make "install" depend on "dbgrst" Sep 08 22:41:21 AFAIK, CDC-AMC devices are used to place calls or to bind PPP connections, I highly doubt that Openmoko's U-Boot is able to do that ;-) Sep 08 22:41:47 weird stuff Sep 08 22:41:50 yep Sep 08 22:42:12 but ubuntu tells me always that this cdc device is not a modem Sep 08 22:42:45 * KewlCat looks for the real meaning of "CDC" and "ACM" :-D Sep 08 22:42:54 but it loads the cdc-acm modul Sep 08 22:42:56 the cdc-acm serial interface gives you the u-boot console Sep 08 22:43:03 I just figured out why writing to my automounted SD card (ext2) was unbearably slow - I got 150kB/s with dd and only 8KB/s with scp Sep 08 22:43:19 Wollschaf: why? :) Sep 08 22:43:20 Wollschaf: why was it? Sep 08 22:43:21 mjr : Oooooohh.... Sep 08 22:43:29 because jffs2 uses compression and dd doesn't? Sep 08 22:43:32 spent hours fiddling with glamo_mci parameters... just to find out that 2008.8 automounts with the "sync" option. Argh! Sep 08 22:43:36 oh, ext2 Sep 08 22:43:43 oh :) Sep 08 22:43:48 whee for sync! Sep 08 22:43:56 Yeah, "CDC" is pretty generic, in fact.... Sep 08 22:44:03 think so Sep 08 22:44:13 anyway, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_CDC_ACM Sep 08 22:44:18 How can I create a jffs image from a set of files ? Sep 08 22:44:25 mkfss Sep 08 22:44:29 mjr : thanks ;-) Sep 08 22:44:29 Deubeuliou: mkfs.jffs2 Sep 08 22:44:34 I will search if I can disable the apple driver Sep 08 22:44:35 mkfs -t jffs2 blaha Sep 08 22:44:57 it wont create a partition on the disk ? Sep 08 22:45:24 Deubeuliou: no Sep 08 22:45:29 filesystems and partitions are different Sep 08 22:45:35 in particular, partitions contain filesystems Sep 08 22:45:46 you're creating an image of a filesystem, not a partition Sep 08 22:45:50 ok Sep 08 22:45:54 Deubeuliou: you can do dd if=/dev/zero of=./myfilesystem.jffs2 bs=something count=something Sep 08 22:46:18 Deubeuliou: and then mkfs.jffs2 ./myfilesystem.jffs2 Sep 08 22:46:23 good night Sep 08 22:46:30 cjb: usually the size of filesystem is the size of the partition so the images of filesystem and partition are equal too Sep 08 22:46:35 me too good night Sep 08 22:49:34 oh, so mkfs.jffs2 creates a fs image from a directory? Sep 08 22:49:36 wth Sep 08 22:50:07 yeah, looks like. that's what I'm going to do Sep 08 22:51:03 but how to mount it Sep 08 22:51:14 I don't want to moiunt it Sep 08 22:51:22 I want to send it to the phone Sep 08 22:51:33 to flash the phone with it Sep 08 22:51:38 zash : -o loop, maybe ? Sep 08 22:51:45 probably Sep 08 22:54:57 -o loop won't Sep 08 22:55:27 KewlCat, not that simple. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Sep 08 22:56:26 Well... at least I could try... :-p Sep 08 22:56:31 basically, flash memory is sufficiently unlike a block device that you need an emulation layer there Sep 08 22:57:04 yeah Sep 08 22:57:12 s/block device/standard linux block device/ Sep 08 22:57:26 ShellEvil, fine, be that way ;P Sep 08 22:57:27 It of course is a block device (sort-of) but has errors and stuff. Sep 08 22:57:28 ShellEvil: why do you say that? Sep 08 22:57:38 ShellEvil: that's not the main difference. Sep 08 22:57:40 oh... so that's what an MTD is used for Sep 08 22:57:49 No, not the whole difference. Sep 08 22:58:10 you need to erase blocks before rewriting them, which means MTD devices don't support mmap(2) Sep 08 23:00:01 well... Sep 08 23:00:14 'stuff' Sep 08 23:00:25 oh yeah, raw mtd, yeah, ok Sep 08 23:37:33 How be the code? Sep 08 23:37:49 Godly Sep 08 23:37:52 * hipitihop waves good morning to the residents Sep 08 23:40:49 Although I can't be specific as I'm not sure how to identify the culprit, however I'm pretty certain something has a mem leak in 2008.8-updated Sep 08 23:41:22 Threads of hotmelt (~0.2mm dia) placed on 20um foil, the sandwitch heated with a rod rolled over it heated to maybe 130C. In peel the strength is quite high - maybe 50Kg/m Sep 08 23:41:29 oops Sep 08 23:43:12 top tells me 121872k total with 1984k free with only the desktop (home) running Sep 08 23:43:27 free is slightly misleading Sep 08 23:43:53 free is really free+buffers+what can be discarded from memory as it's copies of executables read from disk. Sep 08 23:44:12 fair enough however does look normal ? Sep 08 23:44:33 In a normal linux system that's not way overspecced, you will normally get 1-2M free Sep 08 23:44:45 this is a gta02 so reports 123856k total and 121984 used Sep 08 23:44:55 does the ext2 fs driver use wear-levelling with an ext2 filesystem on SD card? Sep 08 23:45:44 i sometimes have the problem that when i resume 2008.8 by button that it will go into suspend after 1 or 2 seconds again by itself Sep 08 23:45:58 Amorphous, I have experienced the same Sep 08 23:46:04 aum: the wear leveling should be inside the card Sep 08 23:46:11 ShellEvil: ahh, nice Sep 08 23:46:23 ShellEvil, I have events/0 using 29.6% cpu Sep 08 23:46:33 is there any way to build ipkgs without having to write a .bb recipe? Sep 08 23:46:41 and dbus-daemon further 20% Sep 08 23:47:21 hipitihop, you know of any bugreports or something that might have a hint about how to fix this? Sep 08 23:48:17 Amorphous, sorry has not bugged me enough to go looking Sep 08 23:49:52 aum: does this help? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Packaging_your_application Sep 08 23:51:10 alphabeat: that's a bit ahead - for now i'm wanting to know the best/cleanest way to manually invoke the cross-compilation tools (gcc etc) from within the OE tree Sep 08 23:52:24 are you trying to compile an existing app? Sep 08 23:53:12 alphabeat: for now, yes, then i want to port a couple of my own apps into OE Sep 08 23:57:43 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * ra18e47b19b19 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [python-etk] Bump up the revision of python-etk to 8d36de2726003ad0356056fcf3ede5f2d3f4fca7 Sep 08 23:59:29 hmm...sounds interesting. good luck with it all! Sep 09 00:13:23 how good is openmoko support for ipaq, particularly h4000? Sep 09 00:14:50 Not. Sep 09 00:15:18 At the moment, the support is spotty, even on the native devices. Sep 09 00:15:27 Anything else, you're basically on your own. Sep 09 00:15:40 (with the few devs that may have attempted it) Sep 09 00:16:46 aum - hilarious Sep 09 00:17:33 Dave: it was a normal question - what's 'hilarious' about the thought of openmoko running on an ipaq? Sep 09 00:18:46 pretty much Sep 09 00:32:09 what's the best kernel for FSO? mine says "no dbus". i flashed the latest kernel on downloads.openmoko... Sep 09 00:32:34 i thought the kernels were all the same Sep 09 00:35:58 i havent seen any info on installing modules i wonder why? Sep 09 00:39:12 [Bug] #1975: Wrong Phone Matching in Qtopia ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1975 ) Sep 09 00:40:48 haw Sep 09 00:41:17 hi :-) Sep 09 00:43:12 ÿHello Sep 09 00:59:18 alphabeat: fso always says no dbus on first boot. reboot and it should appear. I wouldn't mix kernels ... Sep 09 01:04:00 thanks rwhitby Sep 09 01:07:18 I have gps working with tangogps. Being new to this whole gps thing, I recently realized that tango doesn't do routing. Anyone know of a good opensource gps application that does routing? (I'm looking through http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Routing, but recommendations of which are worthwhile would be appreciated.) Sep 09 01:07:37 retracile! Sep 09 01:07:42 Dave! Sep 09 01:07:46 :) Sep 09 01:07:47 * retracile grins Sep 09 01:09:11 The problem isn't really the app. It's the maps. Sep 09 01:09:18 In most places they are just not up to routing. Sep 09 01:09:32 IIRC wiki.openstreetmap.org has a list of apps Sep 09 01:09:42 oh Sep 09 01:09:45 :) Sep 09 01:11:15 SpeedEvil: Heh. I'd gotten that far. ;) Sep 09 01:13:45 retracile: tried navit? Sep 09 01:14:06 alphabeat: I haven't tried anything but tangogps yet. I'm looking for recomendations of things to try. Sep 09 01:14:48 alphabeat: I did see navit, but it doesn't seem to be in the debian repository, so it isn't trivial to try. Is it worth the effort of trying to build it? Sep 09 01:15:17 hipitihop: caught you on linkedin Sep 09 01:15:42 Oh, look, I just found a screenshot of navit on the openmoko... :) Sep 09 01:16:17 rwhitby, indeed, cheers Sep 09 01:16:52 hipitihop: that your boat in the background? Sep 09 01:16:54 retracile: i haven't tried it personally but have heard good things. it seems pretty close to a full navigating program (voice, routing engine etc) Sep 09 01:17:32 Anyone else here on LinkedIn? Sep 09 01:18:11 rwhitby, heh that's a shot from somewhere in Perisher Sep 09 01:19:03 rwhitby, I see you also know bruce Sep 09 01:19:38 do we have maps application, in which the maps can be used offline ? Sep 09 01:20:10 AJuOnLiNE, tangogps supports downloading of the maps, see wiki for details Sep 09 01:20:21 hipitihop: thanks! Sep 09 01:24:17 alphabeat: thanks. I'll give it a shot and see. Sep 09 01:29:31 Is 10% cpu considered normal for pulseaudio Sep 09 01:30:19 that's with nothing running, just sitting at the dekstop Sep 09 01:32:31 anyone else here running 2008.8-updated Sep 09 01:35:02 hey gang... tried getting ekiga to work on Debian, and the audio quality was quite poor. Laggy, and choppy. Any suggestions? Sep 09 01:37:33 hm..maybe check 'top' to see if it's using too much cpu? Sep 09 01:37:53 sorry hipitihop fso here Sep 09 01:42:25 alphabeat: Load average didn't even go beyond 0.74 Sep 09 01:42:41 * Andre613 had high hopes for it too :( Sep 09 02:01:04 I just received my FR! Sep 09 02:02:31 * retracile congratulates else58 Sep 09 02:03:52 Awesome, what's it like? Sep 09 02:04:12 [Bug] #1976: Redial last called number ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1976 ) Sep 09 02:04:45 date code: 20080507 Sep 09 02:05:11 now I can can compare it to my Nokia n800 Sep 09 02:06:35 If you're comparing usability, don't get your hopes up Sep 09 02:06:40 (from what I hear) Sep 09 02:09:25 I'll let you know. At least I can make phone calls... Sep 09 02:09:36 :) Sep 09 02:09:49 But can you receive them? Sep 09 02:10:09 else58: if you want usability better start soldering gsm modem to yours n800 -__-; Sep 09 02:10:15 Having ssh, usb network, and root access out of the box is nice Sep 09 02:10:40 FxChiP: yes, my wife called me! Sep 09 02:10:41 psh Sep 09 02:10:47 would rather solder a 3G module into the FR Sep 09 02:11:06 Now THAT would be kick-ass Sep 09 02:11:19 unfortunately you'd then have to write a driver Sep 09 02:11:20 somehow Sep 09 02:11:34 driver isnt problem if you got docs Sep 09 02:12:01 but for things like glamo there arent ;p Sep 09 02:14:03 beh i just calculated how big would be offline goolge maps -___- Sep 09 02:14:44 What the hell *is* glamo? Sep 09 02:14:47 20GB at max zoom for just Poland, forgeting rest of europe Sep 09 02:14:57 FxChiP: freerunner graphics chip Sep 09 02:15:14 Oh, fuck. Sep 09 02:15:17 the thing that doesnt allow you to watch full res videos on neo Sep 09 02:15:21 :/ Sep 09 02:15:34 Just get a damn PowerVR chip already? :P Sep 09 02:16:12 and i think even more than 20GB with OSM -___-; Sep 09 02:16:34 FxChiP it also looks after other things. sits between sd card interface and cpu Sep 09 02:16:34 right we need 32GB sd cards lol Sep 09 02:16:46 eeee Sep 09 02:16:58 torindel: are you sure? i heard the world was only 1.5G or so Sep 09 02:17:04 * FxChiP can't wait for GTA03/GTA04 Sep 09 02:17:27 if the 04 is really using the sc6410 and going to have an opengl es stack ... mmmmm Sep 09 02:17:33 torindel: the thing that they ahve an nda for the details over and cannot share any info with us. except to tell us its not worth doing anything with it Sep 09 02:17:51 alphabeat: google maps at zoom 17 its 20 GB for just Poland :/ Sep 09 02:17:56 unknown_lamer: yeah right.... slowing it'd turn into a laptop! Sep 09 02:18:03 torindel: `you can download google maps ? Sep 09 02:18:22 yes Sep 09 02:18:33 how ? Sep 09 02:18:55 SC6410? Sep 09 02:18:58 adress is like: http://mt3.google.com/mt/v=nq.83&hl=en&x=70755&s=&y=41400&z=17&s=G Sep 09 02:19:21 dbmoodb: want part or whole world? Sep 09 02:19:34 well... isn't this illegal ? Sep 09 02:19:44 FxChiP: samsung soc with a very fast ARM9 core and an onboard 3d chip among other goodies Sep 09 02:20:12 FxChiP: like the ability to have discrete video ram, an ata controller[!], vga/tv-out, support for 1024x768 displays, ... Sep 09 02:20:21 dbmoodb: for distribution, etc probably yes Sep 09 02:20:30 Ahh, but here's the question: is it open? Sep 09 02:20:37 for private use i dont think so Sep 09 02:20:42 :/ Sep 09 02:20:49 Fail Sep 09 02:21:22 unknown_lamer: they still want arm9? -__-; Sep 09 02:22:06 unknown_lamer: which model is it? 920? 922? 926? Sep 09 02:25:41 torindel: I dunno find the spec sheet Sep 09 02:26:41 http://www.embedian.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=231 Sep 09 02:27:02 oh ARM11 oops Sep 09 02:27:39 ;] Sep 09 02:36:16 alphabeat: the 1.5G is for the vector stuff that navit uses. The rendered tiles that tangogps uses would be what torindel is talking about. Sep 09 02:36:22 ah fair enough Sep 09 02:37:23 torindel: It seems that http://khm2.google.com/kh?v=30&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d and http://mt2.google.com/mt?v=w2p.81&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d may also "work" Sep 09 02:39:00 retracile: that just depends on "options" you want Sep 09 02:39:13 torindel: know of others? Sep 09 02:39:30 just open google maps with view/zoom/around place you want and check pics url's Sep 09 02:39:53 google will tell you all addresses you want to know ;] Sep 09 02:40:24 (i.e. you can get satelite/hybrid/street view etc) Sep 09 02:40:56 but map at max zoom will be big -__-; Sep 09 02:45:58 retracile: any map progs to play with vector stuff btw? Sep 09 02:46:34 torindel: dunno. navit is supposed to. I'm working on building that... Sep 09 02:48:07 since we either need 32GB sd cards or some fast vector prog >_> Sep 09 02:49:52 navit draws from vector data, apparently the planet is only 1.6 gig Sep 09 02:54:46 stevenSn: you tried it on moko? Sep 09 02:55:34 question is does it run faster or slower than tangogps Sep 09 02:55:52 torindel: Yes. It is MUCH slower than tango Sep 09 02:56:21 stevenSn: how usable is it? Sep 09 02:56:23 torindel: On navit you press a key or try to scroll the map and you count many seconds. But I heard someone is working on a patch for this Sep 09 02:56:58 lol patch? Sep 09 02:57:22 you mean like replacing cpu? -__-; Sep 09 02:57:23 retracile: If you can setup your route before you start driving, it did a decent job of showing my position and the roads around me. Sep 09 02:57:59 stevenSn: is it able to speak road names? Sep 09 02:58:33 we tried using it when I actually was somewhat lost in the car and the time it took to setup a destination or scroll the map wasn't really viable Sep 09 02:59:05 retracile: I haven't yet gotten any speech working from my fr, but it is supposed to **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 09 02:59:57 2008