**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 09 02:59:57 2008 Sep 09 03:47:41 anyone know if the white screen of death has a bug/ticket? Sep 09 04:05:35 pabs3: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 Sep 09 04:05:53 thanks Sep 09 04:06:08 np Sep 09 04:36:22 I'm confused about the factory version for my new gta02v5 - /etc/version = 200804240820 Sep 09 04:36:54 and kernel is 2.6.24 from Apr 24 2008 Sep 09 04:37:10 else58: so? Sep 09 04:37:19 thats software version only Sep 09 04:37:28 is that om 2007 or om 2008? Sep 09 04:37:35 2007.2 Sep 09 04:38:15 ok, so 2007.2 means the first release - and there have been updates since Sep 09 04:38:31 hence the 2008 dates, but it is still 2007.2 Sep 09 04:39:31 or wait that could be 2008.4 Sep 09 04:39:32 ;] Sep 09 04:40:04 you something newer anyway Sep 09 04:42:02 but since I can make/receive phone calls with what was shipped, I wanted to install the newer on sd and leave base alone Sep 09 04:42:49 I just wanted to know what it was in case I want to restore it. But I don't see any 2008.4 in wiki Sep 09 04:42:55 you can backup base to pc btw Sep 09 04:43:13 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.4/ Sep 09 04:43:24 there should be 2007.2 somewhere too Sep 09 04:44:12 but you for 99% have that Sep 09 04:44:26 torindel, thanks for release pointer Sep 09 04:46:22 to backup base, do I just scp /dev/mtdblock{0,6} to host? Sep 09 04:48:30 yep (that would backup uboot, uboot_env, splash, factory and rootfs) Sep 09 04:49:00 yea, I can see that in /proc/mtd Sep 09 04:49:13 If I want to flash u-boot on the FR which file should I use gta01bv4-u-boot.bin or gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin ? Sep 09 04:50:20 gta02 Sep 09 04:51:47 ok thanks ljp. is the other file for the 1973? Sep 09 04:53:17 so I've been away for a month which is the best distro now? Sep 09 04:53:37 weirdedout: yes Sep 09 04:53:44 railer: qtopia from qtopia.net Sep 09 04:53:46 :) Sep 09 04:54:06 can it wifi yet? Sep 09 04:54:31 thanks ljp. Sep 09 04:54:36 were' Dave and ieatlint! Sep 09 04:57:27 hey whats that web site that has the screen shots? Sep 09 04:59:41 railer, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Sep 09 04:59:49 thanks Sep 09 05:05:42 torindel,hi, I've been interested in openmoko gentoo distribution, it's great! Sep 09 05:08:42 Openfree|moko, what are the pros of having gentoo on the freerunner? Sep 09 05:08:57 there are none Sep 09 05:12:32 :) Sep 09 05:12:45 compiling on the device would be especially painful Sep 09 05:13:03 because lack of ram, pack of disk and lack of cpu Sep 09 05:13:14 lack of disk Sep 09 05:13:15 there's a lot more to gentoo than compiling programs Sep 09 05:13:49 you can compile programs on the a computer and install the bin packages onto the phone Sep 09 05:13:50 ever tried runnin gcc on a memeory limited device? Sep 09 05:14:01 yep Sep 09 05:14:58 Does gentoo have the phone specific packages that debian boasts? Sep 09 05:15:51 no, you'd likely need to maintain your own repository (it wouldn't be something 95%+ of users would want to use) Sep 09 05:16:04 gentoo without the compiling on the target is just debian isn't it? Sep 09 05:16:15 but advantages would be present, like not having a bunch of stuff compiled in that you never use Sep 09 05:16:30 rwhitby, probably closer to arch linux Sep 09 05:16:41 since debian does releases, and gentoo is a rolling release Sep 09 05:17:11 Gentoo > * Sep 09 05:17:16 fyi: scp would fetch /dev/mtd5 since it wasn't a regular file. Sep 09 05:17:33 it's come to my attention that i have essentially no food in my apartment Sep 09 05:17:41 this displeases me Sep 09 05:17:44 I ended up nfs mounting the host disk via usb network and dd'ing Sep 09 05:18:30 you can also offload compiling using distcc, which can allow you to compile some packages on the phone Sep 09 05:19:15 peope are too critical of gentoo in general though :P Sep 09 05:19:35 The 258MB rootfs took 7 minutes Sep 09 05:19:38 it's not about compiling things yourself so they're more optimised, it's about installing what you need and nothing more Sep 09 05:19:45 gentoo has sold out ever since you don't have to compile everything on the target ... Sep 09 05:20:23 hah Sep 09 05:20:30 * rwhitby has never used Gentoo, so knows nothing about that which he speaks Sep 09 05:20:51 so just like arch ieatlint? ;) Sep 09 05:21:22 yeah, i know a former gentoo dev who we lost to arch :( Sep 09 05:21:39 an OS is just a tool anyway. windows, linux, macos - it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things Sep 09 05:21:54 I think Gentoo has some problems, but I haven't given up on it yet Sep 09 05:22:04 that's a grossly generalised statement :P Sep 09 05:22:32 if all you want is web and word processing, then fine, go get a computer from 2001 Sep 09 05:22:32 ieatlint: If you have no food at home, eat some lint :P Sep 09 05:22:39 Linux got too bloated once they started adding user interfaces to it ... Sep 09 05:22:44 Hehe Sep 09 05:22:56 cli is a user interface Sep 09 05:23:05 rwhitby, you mean like "make menuconfig" ? :P Sep 09 05:23:17 screw that, just use ed on .config ... Sep 09 05:23:49 gnome and KDE are just ways to arrange multiple terminals on your screen ... Sep 09 05:24:33 vaguely... Sep 09 05:24:48 gnome and kde are desktop environments which do more than window managers Sep 09 05:24:49 * mwester knows that rwhitby dials phones by shorting tip and ring wires at the correct speed... Sep 09 05:25:03 :p Sep 09 05:25:04 ieatlint: ed, why not just emacs C-x M-c M-butterfly the file? Sep 09 05:25:06 and compiz to wiggle them Sep 09 05:25:50 prjktdtnt, because emacs is bloat, i don't have a "butterfly" key, and it was a joke about using extremely simplistic methods Sep 09 05:26:26 Blasphemy! Sep 09 05:26:30 ieatlint: all I use is emacs, I am so used to the layout I can't stand using other editors Sep 09 05:26:35 word processing went down-hill after wordstar too ... Sep 09 05:27:02 i thought about learning VI at one point but regex still eludes me Sep 09 05:27:17 latex? Sep 09 05:27:23 prjktdtnt: the only VI command you need to know is :q! Sep 09 05:27:25 vi pleases me in more ways than emacs ever could Sep 09 05:27:27 maybe we should all go back to our roots and follow rms: http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/ Sep 09 05:27:51 rwhitby, did you mean ":q" or ":q!" ? hehe Sep 09 05:28:00 alphabeat: lol! Sep 09 05:28:05 ieatlint: the ! is intentional Sep 09 05:28:15 * CM prefers the ! too Sep 09 05:28:54 Recent versions have introduced alternatives Sep 09 05:28:57 ieatlint: unless you are blind Sep 09 05:29:02 :qOMG! Sep 09 05:29:35 undrwater1, perhaps Sep 09 05:29:51 i'm still using win3.1 Sep 09 05:29:56 i hear 3.11 is out? Sep 09 05:30:23 ieatlint: Stick with 3.1 Sep 09 05:30:34 ieatlint: BSDFTWIMO Sep 09 05:30:40 ieatlint: It's like 2007.2; everything after it just went downhill. Sep 09 05:30:47 does 3.11 not run tie fighter well? Sep 09 05:31:05 mwester: 2007.2! 2007.1 was the best OM release ... Sep 09 05:31:30 oh how quickly they forget ... Sep 09 05:31:32 has to be the most entertaining night i've ever seen in the OM chat Sep 09 05:31:46 which bsd? Sep 09 05:32:14 mwester: agreed. Sep 09 05:32:18 ieatlint: any of them really, I prefer freeBSD if I have to use Unix Sep 09 05:32:38 Bring back PRIMOS! Sep 09 05:32:44 i hate freebsd's package system Sep 09 05:32:44 OpenBSD for a router/fw/gw type appliance, FreeBSD for a server... Sep 09 05:32:54 * Yashy likes ports Sep 09 05:33:02 Yashy: why is that? i ask as a bsd noob Sep 09 05:33:30 I actually got my *nix start with a little webspace on my uncle's freebsd server Sep 09 05:33:33 because openbsd is pretty much the most secure os out there (that's "complete") Sep 09 05:34:02 mwester: cpm/80 Sep 09 05:34:12 you know freeBSD has an ARM port, wonder what it would take to make that run on the FR Sep 09 05:34:29 * prjktdtnt scratches chin and makes an inquisitive HMMMM Sep 09 05:34:50 more work than you would want to undertake Sep 09 05:35:17 the om linux kernel is patched so much to get power management and stuffs working... Sep 09 05:35:20 probably, I will probably be too lazy to even install debian on my FR Sep 09 05:35:39 prjktdtnt: hehe. it really is just running a single script though :P Sep 09 05:35:55 * rwhitby starts the fso-unstable-packages build on the nslu2-linux autobuilder, since the bearstech.com machine is still down Sep 09 05:36:04 yeah, but then you have to wait... and that's where it gets tough Sep 09 05:36:08 is there any way to hand-compile programs with the OE cross toolchain, without having to autocrap the source, stick a tarball on a webserver, write a bb recipe... ? Sep 09 05:36:10 damn you free hosting! Sep 09 05:36:29 alphabeat: http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=FreeBSD&distro2=OpenBSD Sep 09 05:36:50 thanks Yashy Sep 09 05:36:53 alphabeat: yeah, I should have known that no-one can manage a build infrastructure like our nslu2-linux infrastructure manager ka6sox Sep 09 05:36:53 aum, yeah, just access the OE toolchain's gcc directly Sep 09 05:37:02 link to the libraries in the OE root Sep 09 05:37:28 ieatlint: where do the cross toolchain binaries, headers and libs live within the OE tree? Sep 09 05:37:45 ka6sox? something you wrote? Sep 09 05:38:27 aum, find :P Sep 09 05:38:54 alphabeat: no, the guy who runs http://stats.tking.org/munin/ Sep 09 05:38:54 i've done it, but i don't even have an OE toolchain right now Sep 09 05:39:04 the whole OE tree thing is very unapproachable to newcomers Sep 09 05:39:44 alphabet: do a search for it on qrz.com, it's a ham radio callsign Sep 09 05:39:59 i'm using find, but there's over a dozen versions of stdlib.h Sep 09 05:40:22 lol Sep 09 05:40:24 aum: Agreed; but any distro builder is pretty daunting. I think the real problem is that the distro is not yet stable enough to where the toolchain (without the need for OE) is sufficient. Sep 09 05:40:35 well, search for a less standard include file Sep 09 05:40:51 like gtk.h Sep 09 05:41:10 ieatlint: what about beer.h? Sep 09 05:41:12 there should be one main include folder Sep 09 05:41:14 * prjktdtnt ducks Sep 09 05:41:27 prjktdtnt, oooh, i should go to the store and get food and beer Sep 09 05:41:30 the OE tree is one nightmarish cancerous bad acid trip Sep 09 05:41:45 ieatlint I much prefer cd /pub && more beer Sep 09 05:41:51 aum: you shouldn't have to search for any header files; OE will arrange for your app to be built with the correct one (and it will build the toolchain, libraries, etc, that might be necessary to cause the header files to appear -- and that's the real magic of something like OE) Sep 09 05:42:16 just don't ever man woman, generates a segmentation fault in which the core gets dumped Sep 09 05:42:31 mwester: yes, but only if I (1) autocrap my app, (2) tarball it up to a webserver, (3) write a bb recipe, (4) other black magic Sep 09 05:42:34 heh Sep 09 05:42:39 * prjktdtnt goes to see what new shirts are on thinkgeek Sep 09 05:42:45 aum: perhaps then you should just use the toolchain. Sep 09 05:42:48 prjktdtnt, "man false" describes me life :P Sep 09 05:43:12 "false - do nothing, unsuccessfully" Sep 09 05:43:14 ieatlint, that is awesome! Sep 09 05:43:15 mwester: i want to use the toolchain, but I don't know which of the n bin dirs, n include dirs, n lib dirs etc to use Sep 09 05:43:30 false [ignored command line arguments] Sep 09 05:43:42 even the options are ignored Sep 09 05:44:15 aum: #include Sep 09 05:44:42 aum: /path/to/toolchain/crossdir/gcc-arm-linux- prog.c Sep 09 05:44:53 aum: the cross tools will take care of the rest. Sep 09 05:45:24 mwester: but what should I set '-I' to, to get the correct headers? Sep 09 05:45:54 aum, the trick is to only compile programs that need not include files and libraries Sep 09 05:45:55 aum: It knows where the system (aka standard) header files are for the cross tools. Sep 09 05:46:13 ieatlint: yeah right Sep 09 05:46:14 you'd be surprised how much simple math you can do without anything extra Sep 09 05:46:23 aum: so you should only need -I to specify your own headers, and they would be in the normal places. Sep 09 05:47:31 ok, i go find beer and food Sep 09 05:50:51 aum: instead of compiling programs, just start an open source project and get someone else to do it for you ... Sep 09 05:53:55 ahh, found the toolchain, got my 'hello world' c prog built/working - thx guys Sep 09 06:13:55 glad to see everyone is still here Sep 09 06:16:39 * ieatlint += beer; Sep 09 06:17:44 #define beer NULL Sep 09 06:17:46 what distro you using now Ieatlint? Sep 09 06:17:55 sam adams Sep 09 06:18:15 actually, right now, i may have lost my phones :( Sep 09 06:18:25 i think i left them at a friend's apartment Sep 09 06:18:27 how? Sep 09 06:18:49 nice, friend on crack? Sep 09 06:19:12 i've no idea, i remember packing them to put in my laptop bag, thought i had put them in there, then didn't do anything with them for two days Sep 09 06:19:18 and when i went to look for them, no phones... Sep 09 06:19:26 ouch Sep 09 06:19:32 no, just messy friend who easily loses things in her apartment Sep 09 06:20:41 well time for a good cleaning Sep 09 06:20:57 yeah, i don't get back there to look until saturday though Sep 09 06:21:07 anyway, i'm an fso guy still Sep 09 06:21:55 I just tried 2008.8 internet not working for me Sep 09 06:22:04 i just dislike 2008.x too much Sep 09 06:22:12 why?> Sep 09 06:23:00 qtopia just feels screwy on it Sep 09 06:23:11 it reminds me of trying to run windows programs in wine Sep 09 06:23:17 it kinda works, sometimes, i guess Sep 09 06:23:31 never integrates though, always looks off Sep 09 06:24:34 ok Sep 09 06:26:38 well nice chating with you again, off to bed Sep 09 06:57:06 openmoko: 03erin * rebacb0cd8525 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemsmsreader.cpp: add checking total used SMS number Sep 09 07:24:00 if I dont have the Openmoko phone.. what do I need to get started with applicaiton development ? Sep 09 07:26:56 if the app you intend to develop requires the hardware on the phone (accelerometers, gsm modem), you need qemu Sep 09 07:27:48 otherwise, you're just developing a linux app that works on the phone too, and qemu may help with some testing, but if it works on linux and doesn't eat system resources terribly, you're done Sep 09 07:35:04 ieatlint: i need to use the GPS, WIFi, and SMS features. Sep 09 07:35:33 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e2af651570e 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] (#1716) Add RDEPENDS to edje-utils Sep 09 07:35:46 ieatlint: the UI testing would need to screens interface. Sep 09 07:36:04 so I can just develop the app on Linux and have the UI testings done on the QEMU Sep 09 07:36:11 in worst case scenario? Sep 09 07:39:22 yes, but emulating sms stuff will no be an easy task Sep 09 07:39:34 and do you actuall need wifi, or just network? Sep 09 07:44:31 my application will require to connect to other Wifi networks.. Sep 09 07:44:50 ieatlint: also can I connect extra memory storage via USB ? or event a printer? Sep 09 07:44:57 s/event/even Sep 09 07:45:37 yes, but in actual use, usb host mode will drain the battery pretty fast Sep 09 07:47:22 yeah if your actual use is constant... Also a printer will likely not drain the FR battery, really, since they tend to have their own power sources... Sep 09 07:47:57 and occasionally plugging in a usb memory stick for data transfer should be fine Sep 09 07:48:07 ah ok.. Sep 09 07:48:34 it's all relative... but yeah, a self-powered device will use less power from the usb host Sep 09 07:48:45 but the usb host is still responsible for powering the connection Sep 09 08:04:13 [Bug] #1977: [Location] delete tag in Location but the Tag SMS will be empty text and can't be delete ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1977 ) Sep 09 08:11:25 for developing apps on Qtopia build. Sep 09 08:11:32 I need to use which programming language? Sep 09 08:13:20 not an issue of language, it's an issue of libraries Sep 09 08:13:31 you need to program for qt, and hook into the qtopia stack Sep 09 08:13:39 look at trolltech.com Sep 09 08:14:06 and "ljp" in here may be willing to answer some questions for you Sep 09 08:19:15 [Bug] #1978: [Location] Tag will shows "New" even already Opened once. (or "Today" even yesterday's tags) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1978 ) Sep 09 08:19:38 Qtopia is one distro choice. others are? Sep 09 08:21:02 2008.x, fso and debian Sep 09 08:21:18 fso and debian use the same stuff in most respects though Sep 09 08:21:37 and 2008.x is supposed to eventually adopt fso's framework (which handles all gsm functions) Sep 09 08:24:13 [Bug] #1979: [Location] Deleted Tags will appear in the tag list.(specific phone) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1979 ) Sep 09 08:30:07 tomorrow the openmoko will arriva in my home :) Sep 09 08:30:26 i wnat that! :P Sep 09 08:31:18 hi guys! Sep 09 08:31:23 anyone here using qtopia? Sep 09 08:32:21 me Sep 09 08:32:49 me too Sep 09 08:34:10 Bill_, have you noticed the bug that when just booted without the usb or charging cable the phone thinks that it is connected, and power savings behaves like it is Sep 09 08:34:15 [Bug] #1980: [Location] the tag list is jumping too serious when you scroll it ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1980 ) Sep 09 08:34:15 [Bug] #1981: [Location] red spot sparkling by around location not exactly where we are. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1981 ) Sep 09 08:34:34 meaning that the phone never goes to suspend, and it drains the battery Sep 09 08:35:54 Xecuter: nope.. can't say i have Sep 09 08:36:10 hmm Sep 09 08:36:15 i do, every time Sep 09 08:36:47 What revision? Sep 09 08:38:21 4.3.3 snapshot Sep 09 08:38:51 is there a way to force the phone to check if cable is connected? Sep 09 08:41:38 <|FiLiP|> Xecuter: it is in the wiki, just plug-in a charger or usb for a second and after that it will work ok Sep 09 08:43:21 |FiLiP|, thats the problem, im not home, and i need to reboot the phone... i don't have the cable here Sep 09 08:43:30 could you give me link to wiki? Sep 09 08:44:13 [Bug] #1982: [Location] the last line of tag will only show up half ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1982 ) Sep 09 09:00:07 <|FiLiP|> Xecuter: sorry, wiki only suggests to plug it into some powersource for a second Sep 09 09:00:15 damn Sep 09 09:00:34 |FiLiP|, can you give me link to wiki? Sep 09 09:10:19 <|FiLiP|> Xecuter : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner , almost bottom of page Sep 09 09:20:55 [debian] Hi. Is the suspend using the power button possible ? Sep 09 09:21:42 do we have an eta for fso3 ? Sep 09 09:22:25 "when it's ready" ;) Sep 09 09:22:34 OdyX: if you look at source code of zhone you'll see that it calls prepareforsuspend when you hold power Sep 09 09:22:52 viq, :-) Sep 09 09:22:56 OdyX: please let me know if you can't find it Sep 09 09:23:04 hipitihop_away, august 30 Sep 09 09:23:19 hipitihop_away: roadmap still has five open tickets on it Sep 09 09:23:26 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap says 1 week late, but they fixed 3 more bugs since i took the last look Sep 09 09:23:31 ieatlint: my question is more "does it work ?" ;) Sep 09 09:24:04 OdyX, well, you can use my answer of "august 30" for that if you'd like, but i wasn't addressing you Sep 09 09:24:25 ;) Sep 09 09:24:29 OdyX: sure but you are supposed to help us develop it ;) Sep 09 09:24:39 hipitihop: The FSO is when its done. Sep 09 09:24:57 lindi-: Sure. But for now, I have not enough time to get the sufficient knowledge.. Sep 09 09:25:08 lindi-: but at least, I have the intention ;) Sep 09 09:25:10 plus, the FSO milestones don't mean the SNR/ASU/QTOPIA is going to use it. Sep 09 09:25:30 uh, shr is going to use it Sep 09 09:25:37 that's the whole point of shr Sep 09 09:26:03 fso-makefile even is configured to build shr (but it doesn't currentl yet work) Sep 09 09:28:18 ieatlint: I'm a typoin, sorry. I meant, it'll take time for the other releases to catch up. Sep 09 09:29:44 OdyX: you'll get the knowledge :) Sep 09 09:30:27 lindi-: the problem is not to acquire the knowledge, but to get the time to acquire it... Sep 09 09:30:36 you know... real life issues ;) Sep 09 09:30:57 real life is much more difficult to manage Sep 09 09:31:22 just start using meth and stop sleeping Sep 09 09:31:32 trust me, it'll solve all your problems Sep 09 09:31:36 Does anyone know of a service similar to Google Alerts? Sep 09 09:31:53 Shlee: you better tell us what it does first :) Sep 09 09:32:01 your start handling a group of 70 boy-scouts and stop sleeping too Sep 09 09:32:14 s/your/or Sep 09 09:32:33 uhm, that sounds wrong Sep 09 09:32:35 very very wrong Sep 09 09:32:41 catholic priest wrong Sep 09 09:32:55 depends on where on earth... Sep 09 09:33:15 the majority of scouts in the world is muslim... Sep 09 09:33:49 uh, boy scouts aren't muslim, they're mostly mormon and christian, and the group is rooted in religion Sep 09 09:33:49 anyway... out of topix Sep 09 09:33:59 ieatlint: no no no no Sep 09 09:34:00 ... Sep 09 09:34:18 there are more muslim scouts than christian scouts _in the world_ Sep 09 09:36:36 ah, i see... i've just been familiarised with boy scouts of america... the religious group that centres around outdated ideals, exclusion, descrimination and plagued by accusations of sexual abuse Sep 09 09:37:55 Question: You never hear about Jewish priests commiting Sexual assult.. Does that mean jews are not preverted monsters? Sep 09 09:38:52 just like non-catholic christian priests, no Sep 09 09:39:14 P.S. Scouts in Australia are not directly connected with any Religion group AFAIK Sep 09 09:39:17 because they're allowed to marry, and generally aren't given the same amount of access to young children Sep 09 09:41:22 Shlee, just looked it up, its "pledge" includes references to a god Sep 09 09:42:34 Might be like the Freemasons... a high power Sep 09 09:42:58 I never remember religion coming into it when I attended as a child. meh Sep 09 09:43:59 the wikipedia article makes references to criticisms from polytheistic religious groups, and one would assume atheists would also object :P Sep 09 09:44:16 * ieatlint shrugs Sep 09 09:44:39 In 2008.8-update, how do you enter numbers in the on-screen keyboard that gets displayed when entering wifi passkey? Sep 09 09:44:56 here in the states, they won't let gays, agnostics or atheists in, they have numerous references to religion, and with the extremely rare exception, are entirely sexist Sep 09 09:46:08 else58: when you "drag" the keyboard up or down it scrolls, there is small, capital letters, symbols, numbers. Sep 09 09:47:02 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r791a77c4b9ac 10/classes/binconfig.bbclass: [binconfig] Fix a small defect of binconfig.bbclass Sep 09 09:50:47 * XorA switches to this channel and finds the weirdest of topics Sep 09 09:51:08 viq, thanks - i guess i shouldn't practice on a password enter prompt. Sep 09 09:51:50 Is there a way I can pre-enter the password from a usb0 ssh session? Sep 09 09:53:29 else58: use a key instead of password? Sep 09 09:55:38 seaLne: I can't get the funky keyboard to correctly enter my nonsense wireless shared-key Sep 09 09:56:47 can I stop "word recognition"? Sep 09 09:56:47 else58: you could put it in wifi-supplicant.conf Sep 09 09:57:05 morning Sep 09 09:57:06 and put it in over an SSH session Sep 09 09:57:11 else58: if you hold the letter so the "magnifying glass" appears it will enter that exact character Sep 09 09:57:25 assuming it is a WEP key Sep 09 09:59:34 I did a find / -name "*conf", and did not find wifi* Sep 09 10:14:08 wow, someone who uses find properly and doesn't just pipe it to grep Sep 09 10:15:40 is it wpa_supplicant which asks for the key? Sep 09 10:30:06 hi, I need to compile a software from the neo, what I need to install with opkg? Sep 09 10:30:30 hello, can uboot boot from ext3? Sep 09 10:30:54 s/boot/boot a kernel and a root filesystem/ Sep 09 10:30:55 Gnutoo meant: hello, can uboot a kernel and a root filesystem boot from ext3? Sep 09 10:30:55 Gnutoo: only from vfat and ext2 Sep 09 10:31:47 me, ok thanks so i'll fromat my rootfs in ext2 for now...i do not want to loose precious space Sep 09 10:32:22 lol Sep 09 10:32:38 me: probably easier to just install debian and apt-get gcc Sep 09 10:32:54 not sure if any compiler is packaged and available via opkg Sep 09 10:34:27 mpr: mmhhh.... Sep 09 10:34:47 mpr: I'm trying, maybe I found something Sep 09 10:35:41 the openembedded stuff is pretty cross-compiling-oriented, so even if you found a native compiler you'll probably have a hard time installing dev libaries & headers Sep 09 10:40:44 Is it possible to access the flash from Debian (installed on the microSD) ? Sep 09 10:41:28 yeah, it's one of /dev/mtdblockN Sep 09 10:41:42 mtdblock5 i think, but there's a high probability i'm wrong Sep 09 10:42:10 OdyX: just mount it yes Sep 09 10:42:29 i used to use .Xsession to configure my xterm on my homebox, but on OM it doesn't work Sep 09 10:42:42 an hints on where to enter its settings? Sep 09 10:42:54 lindi-: which entry in /dev ? Sep 09 10:42:55 mmm...is there a place where i can find FSO milestone II in tarball version? or should i recompile my kenrel in order to mount the jffs2 images? Sep 09 10:44:06 Gnutoo, does it have to be milestone2? Sep 09 10:44:50 uhm Sep 09 10:44:51 ieatlint, yes...i want an image to test the features of the freerunner....and milestone2 has better phone support,supports standby etc... Sep 09 10:45:03 i correct myself: i used to use .Xresources Sep 09 10:45:10 any ideas? Sep 09 10:45:25 Gnutoo, i mean, versus a later version of fso... do you need milestone2, or will an image from sept 4 work= Sep 09 10:45:26 ? Sep 09 10:45:54 ieatlint, no, i can live with a more recent version of FSO.... Sep 09 10:46:04 http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080904-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz Sep 09 10:46:12 ieatlint, thanks a lot Sep 09 10:46:47 i will rather use images for the freerunner.... Sep 09 10:46:54 I get those errors, how could I fix? checking for gcc... gcc Sep 09 10:46:54 checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Sep 09 10:47:07 Gnutoo, gta02 is the freerunner Sep 09 10:47:11 ah gta02...sorry Sep 09 10:47:12 gta01 is 1973 Sep 09 10:47:25 it's because i saw 1973 Sep 09 10:47:43 yeah, that can indeed be confusing Sep 09 10:48:00 thanks a lot Sep 09 10:48:10 if you replace "testing" with "unstable" in the url, you'll get what you expect P Sep 09 10:48:11 :P Sep 09 10:48:20 me: that's on the freerunner? Sep 09 10:48:29 mpr: yes Sep 09 10:48:37 how did you install/get the gcc? Sep 09 10:48:56 are you sure it's an arme native gcc? Sep 09 10:49:18 mpr: I installed a lot of stuff found with opkg list|grep gcc Sep 09 10:50:14 any ideas how i can backup the data if put into qtopia-phone-x11-datebook and into the contacts application? Sep 09 10:50:18 (Om 2008.8) Sep 09 10:50:33 e.g. copy a file over and return it after reflashing the phone Sep 09 10:50:42 well you get that "compiler cannot create executables" error when the binaries produced by the compiler aren't executable Sep 09 10:50:46 well, qtopia uses sqlite3 i'm told Sep 09 10:50:52 so look for a .db file Sep 09 10:50:52 oh Sep 09 10:50:56 so something is wrong w/ the gcc installation Sep 09 10:50:56 cute :) Sep 09 10:51:03 thanks Sep 09 10:51:31 mpr, actually that could be the linker and not gcc :P Sep 09 10:51:37 mpr: what could I do? oo Sep 09 10:52:46 dunno, don't know much about compiling natively with oe Sep 09 10:52:53 my recommendation is still debian :) Sep 09 10:54:10 mpr: no,I need to do it on om... Sep 09 10:54:58 why do you have to compile natively and not using normal oe procedures? Sep 09 10:56:03 mpr: what do you mean? Sep 09 10:56:41 normally you'd compile oe packages on your desktop pc in a e.g. qemu environment Sep 09 10:57:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Sep 09 10:59:35 mpr: it isn't slow? Sep 09 11:00:30 Yay ! Midori passes 100% the Acid3 (on the Freerunner) ;) Sep 09 11:00:32 cool Sep 09 11:00:39 slow in what sense? Sep 09 11:00:49 yes it takes some time to get a dev environment up and running Sep 09 11:01:47 as said, compiling natively w/ debian is probably the fastest & easiest way to get some development done :) Sep 09 11:02:31 you can have debian on sd and gcc running w/ libc-dev etc. within an hour Sep 09 11:03:08 a lot faster if you run deboostrap on your host system :) Sep 09 11:05:22 is it possible to configure uboot from 2007.2? Sep 09 11:05:55 so i would configure it from 2007.2 to boot from sd...on an ext2 partition with rootfs and kernel Sep 09 11:07:35 OMG, what hard it is to compile from neo.... Sep 09 11:07:44 :) Sep 09 11:08:04 mpr: But I'll win XD Sep 09 11:08:18 you should see the proprietary development environments Sep 09 11:08:18 so debian can cross-compile...does it have issues...because on gentoo i had a lot of issues(package did not compile) such as issues with running result of the compilation in ./configure (autotools) Sep 09 11:09:23 we were speaking about compiling *natively* w/ debian Sep 09 11:09:32