**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 10 02:59:57 2008 Sep 10 03:02:58 FxChiP, it's already been done... although there's a certain level of drift that basically means it's not practical as a tool Sep 10 03:03:09 :( Sep 10 03:04:06 it's really just intended for relative movement and approx orientation Sep 10 03:06:25 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2669363315_a2003c6010.jpg Assuming that's a Razr, I think the FR looks better Sep 10 03:07:41 they're shown next to eachother as a size comparison Sep 10 03:19:52 Even so Sep 10 03:19:58 The FR's design is better to me Sep 10 03:20:01 I love it more Sep 10 03:20:10 Also, I want one with EDGE Sep 10 03:20:13 And a camera Sep 10 03:20:14 :P Sep 10 03:25:49 i've finished isntalling and playing with the ASU install, safe to assume the wifi connection GUI doesn't work.. Sep 10 03:26:22 i've tried using wpa_supp but its giving me issues Sep 10 03:56:59 Are you supposed to be able to write to the console serial port, via the debug board? I've checked the film cable insertion several times, but so far it's serial output only.. Sep 10 04:01:21 baird: can you elaborate? Sep 10 04:01:42 what mode is the phone in, and which device are you using on the host for communication? Sep 10 04:04:43 At the moment, it's in the regular multiuser state where it has a getty on /dev/ttySAC2-- kernel dmesg and the login: prompt are there, yet no input from my side (CR, etc.) appears. I've previously tried the uboot serial prompt, with no success either. Sep 10 04:05:31 (using "cu -l ttyUSB0 -115200" to access the serial) Sep 10 04:06:01 I usually use minicom on ttyUSB0 to do it, dunno whether cu differs Sep 10 04:06:47 I use ttyACM0 on the host to talk to u-boot console Sep 10 04:07:06 then that goes away when u-boot boots the kernel Sep 10 04:07:25 then I just ssh in on usb networking Sep 10 04:07:50 but I guess you're looking for kernel output during boot before ssh is available? Sep 10 04:09:43 I'm getting the kernel output Sep 10 04:10:30 note that ttySAC2 is shared with gsm or gps (can't remember which) Sep 10 04:12:49 ahh.. gsm. It might be like the old Thinkpad 600E problem, where the two devices fight over the one com port.. Sep 10 04:32:21 doh Sep 10 04:32:42 how can i disable all the locales? Sep 10 04:36:05 got it Sep 10 04:37:04 downloads.openmoko.org doesn't have the lowlevel.bin files? Sep 10 04:53:51 Does anyone know of a way to reduce the size of the scrollbars in om2008.8? Sep 10 04:54:18 by default they are so fat that they take up a lot of screen realestate. Sep 10 05:12:12 has anyone tested the FDOM image from the community list yet? I tried flashing to it but got kernel panics Sep 10 05:12:12 Kry :P Sep 10 05:15:12 What to-do list does OpenMoko use? Is it just a modified GPE-ToDo? Sep 10 05:20:43 there is not just one Sep 10 05:21:00 (like all things in Openmoko) Sep 10 05:21:43 I'm thinking of getting one, since my Palm broke recently. I haven't found any screenshots of the todo list. Do you know of any? Sep 10 05:22:15 iaindalton: it's not in a state to replace a palm yet Sep 10 05:22:16 I'm really starting to love my openmoko, so far I've successfully tested 2 distros (2007.2 and 2008.8) Sep 10 05:22:25 downloading qtopia for now Sep 10 05:22:31 will test it tonight I think Sep 10 05:23:50 rwhitby: I had a really old Palm. I didn't use it heavily. What I need is a todo list I can take with me, and I'd like to take the occasional note. Sep 10 05:24:12 qtopia on openmoko may well fit that bill Sep 10 05:24:18 no syncing is available though Sep 10 05:24:49 Do qtopia apps run on the desktop as well? I could rsync Sep 10 05:25:08 I know someone has come up with a syncing solution for GPE to Evolution Sep 10 05:25:22 It was for the Nokia N800 but I bet it's adaptable Sep 10 05:25:49 So qtopia and gpe are the PIM suites on OpenMoko just like other linux PDAs? Sep 10 05:26:13 pretty much - they haven't settled on one of anything Sep 10 05:26:52 But it comes with something, right? Sep 10 05:27:37 I love this, I can go from kernel panic to usable phone in about 15 minutes :) Sep 10 05:27:50 iaindalton: I don't think it does, no. Sep 10 05:28:11 iaindalton: in fact, the next openmoko release is going to come with nothing other than an application installer Sep 10 05:28:32 Oh, OK Sep 10 05:28:49 rwhitby: I hope it comes with working WiFi too Sep 10 05:28:59 prjktdtnt: hope springs eternal Sep 10 05:29:19 based on current trac tickets, if they released today it wouldn't. Sep 10 05:29:49 that's no good, brb break time Sep 10 05:29:52 Who's the target audience? The average non-geek wouldn't like buying a phone they have to customize to use. Sep 10 05:30:21 it's still a developer phone. non-geek phone is *way* off into the future, imho. Sep 10 05:30:55 OK Sep 10 05:31:21 I don't know much about it. It sounds interesting, though. Sep 10 05:32:04 it sure is Sep 10 05:32:53 Anything specific that makes it more interesting than an N800 (other than GSM)? Sep 10 05:34:00 its nice and has a friendly community? Sep 10 05:34:14 everything is free Sep 10 05:34:27 iaindalton: I have both - they are worlds apart as far as maturity goes Sep 10 05:34:44 me too Sep 10 05:34:49 if you want to stay in linux application space, then both are free enough Sep 10 05:35:06 if you're a purist, then neither is free enough ;-) Sep 10 05:35:19 What do you mean, a purist? Sep 10 05:35:33 if you prefer your PC's bios to be open source Sep 10 05:35:43 and your hard disk firmware Sep 10 05:35:45 Heh, I'm not rms Sep 10 05:36:14 n800 has lots more binary kernel modules than openmoko Sep 10 05:36:39 and many system control userspace apps too Sep 10 05:37:20 a plus for OM: it uses bash instead of busybox Sep 10 05:37:39 What about lifespan? Before I stepped on my 6-year-old palm, I found it quite usable. Will either of these linux handhelds hold out like that? Sep 10 05:37:53 but you have a scratchbox rootfs for the n8[10]0 Sep 10 05:38:03 iaindalton: I use a many year old treo650 Sep 10 05:38:04 OK, it needed a new battery, but I could have bought one if I had wanted to Sep 10 05:38:43 the neo is physically quite robust. only time will tell whether the hardware is reliable Sep 10 05:38:52 I like the Palm interface but I also like the fact that a linux PDA could run just about anything my computer can Sep 10 05:39:01 (I have a gta02 that doesn't work, for instance) Sep 10 05:39:38 Did you do anything to it? Sep 10 05:39:51 iaindalton: I have not found a phone, free or otherwise, that comes anywhere near the treo650 as far as useability goes. Sep 10 05:40:05 SpeedEvil: nope, it's a suspected glamo wait victim Sep 10 05:40:35 ah Sep 10 05:41:32 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004097.html Sep 10 05:41:50 rwhitby: That's where the fun part comes in. I think I'd make a better GUI designer than programmer, but I'm learning programming in part so I can bring better GUIs to Linux. Having used a Palm, I'd try my best to improve Linux PDA software. Sep 10 05:42:04 SpeedEvil: it hasn't booted for two week now - it used to be 50/50 Sep 10 05:42:25 iaindalton, are you one of the o-hand guys? Sep 10 05:43:12 playya_: Considering I don't know what o-hand is...;-) Sep 10 05:45:04 ok Sep 10 05:45:13 Please, do enlighten me Sep 10 05:45:44 i just wrote a mail to iain from OH and wanted to ask if it works Sep 10 05:45:58 oh you are the new guy ;) Sep 10 05:46:38 OH is a lab of devs who did a lot of work for openmoko Sep 10 05:47:12 and maemo too Sep 10 05:47:19 OpenedHand is one of the companies working on OpenMoko, right? Sep 10 05:47:54 and now intel acquired them Sep 10 05:48:05 yes Sep 10 05:48:21 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Sep 10 05:48:34 don't know Sep 10 05:48:50 i'm not working for them Sep 10 05:50:09 iaindalton: looking from openedhand's website they do work on openmoko Sep 10 05:50:17 http://o-hand.com/work/casestudies/openmoko/ Sep 10 05:50:44 sean moss-pultz is quoted right on that page :) Sep 10 05:51:10 OK. It just seems that sometimes when a startup gets bought up they get digested or something Sep 10 05:53:18 Didn't you say WiFi isn't working yet? http://labs.o-hand.com/ talks about a working WiFi driver. Sep 10 05:54:15 wifi is working Sep 10 05:54:25 not out of the box Sep 10 05:54:29 but you have to setup it on a shell Sep 10 05:54:40 if you know how to drive wpa_supplicant, you can get wifi to work Sep 10 05:54:41 Oh, OK Sep 10 05:59:37 hmm - opkg is screwing up: http://pastebin.ca/1198915 Sep 10 06:01:29 where can i find om2008 git repository and or om2008 changelog ? Sep 10 06:02:47 ok so even after following the USB Networking tweaks to get DNS working I can only ping google by IP and not by name Sep 10 06:07:11 edited the /etc/resolv.conf? Sep 10 06:07:42 playya_ yes, contains opendns servers Sep 10 06:08:12 can you ping them? Sep 10 06:08:29 yes Sep 10 06:09:12 tried any other add? Sep 10 06:10:08 tried yahoo.com and openmoko.com Sep 10 06:11:53 does nslookup www.google.com work? Sep 10 06:14:07 cannot resolve Sep 10 06:15:15 can't even resolve opendns itself Sep 10 06:16:26 trying to traceroute to opendns right now Sep 10 06:16:34 stopping at the 15th hop Sep 10 06:20:34 I think I'll wait until I get home in an hour or so and see if it could be an issue with the router Sep 10 06:21:30 prjktdtnt: Do your traceroute lines look like * * *? Sep 10 06:21:41 i got 13 hops Sep 10 06:22:19 iaindalton: starting at hop 15 yes Sep 10 06:22:43 hey guys Sep 10 06:22:48 the last responding hop is 157.130.201.130 Sep 10 06:22:56 Can the FreeRunner do MMS? (pictures and stuff inline to SMS) Sep 10 06:23:03 prjktdtnt: I get that starting at hop 2, so maybe opendns has a problem? Sep 10 06:23:20 I would try 4.2.2.1 but they block ping and tracert Sep 10 06:23:26 I'm just curious because I'm doing a (hopefully amusing) comparison Sep 10 06:23:32 traceroute (sorry I support windows systems at work lol) Sep 10 06:24:57 ok i take that back, 4.2.2.1 can be traced Sep 10 06:27:20 nslookup fails for google and yahoo with 4.2.2.1 as the resolv.conf Sep 10 06:27:27 wait Sep 10 06:27:30 *slaps head* Sep 10 06:27:47 nevermind I just figured out that I wasn't putting nameserver in front of the IP Sep 10 06:27:53 * prjktdtnt feels like a moron Sep 10 06:28:14 it's working now Sep 10 06:28:18 thanks for the help Sep 10 06:28:21 :D Sep 10 06:28:24 np Sep 10 06:29:18 now to run an upgrade Sep 10 06:29:44 i fail to believe that only angstrom has been updated but ok, whatever works Sep 10 06:30:50 has anyone noticed an issue with GPS never getting a fix using locations package? Sep 10 06:31:43 you mean the sd card problem? Sep 10 06:32:12 playya_ i'm not sure, I fired up the "locations" icon and it never gets a fix Sep 10 06:32:20 i thought 2008.8 already had a fix in place for that Sep 10 06:32:33 are you outside? Sep 10 06:32:54 at one point I was Sep 10 06:33:22 first fix must be outside then? Sep 10 06:33:38 It helps. Sep 10 06:33:43 you always might have problems using gps inside Sep 10 06:34:07 playya_ and SpeedEvil: will/should it work in a car and without downloading the maps yet? Sep 10 06:34:29 getting a first fix while moving is difficult too Sep 10 06:34:31 you can test it with the test app Sep 10 06:35:24 playya_ test app? what is it called in OPKG? Sep 10 06:36:05 öhm Sep 10 06:37:12 with the umlaut? Sep 10 06:37:18 on the o Sep 10 06:37:33 ö Sep 10 06:37:49 awesome thanks Sep 10 06:37:53 this stuff is so much fun! Sep 10 06:38:26 can't remember :( Sep 10 06:39:14 after removing installer from running procs opkg is complaining about the lock Sep 10 06:39:52 there we go Sep 10 06:39:58 killed the packagekitd Sep 10 06:40:46 openmoko-agpsui is what we were looking for Sep 10 06:40:50 thanks :) Sep 10 06:41:38 right Sep 10 06:42:32 is there a good alternative to qtmail? Sep 10 06:42:53 there will be an alternative soon Sep 10 06:43:03 awesome, guess I'll reinstall it so I can SMS Sep 10 06:43:31 oh and is there any work being done to match names to numbers for local vs international numbers storage? Sep 10 06:44:33 and one last question before packing up for the night to head home from work, when you tap the power button so the screen blanks is that just manual suspend? Sep 10 06:45:10 Printing support? Bluetooth Multi-SIM Support? OH MY GODS Sep 10 06:45:28 you guys Sep 10 06:45:29 and your ideas Sep 10 06:45:30 are crazy Sep 10 06:45:32 and I love them Sep 10 06:45:42 And I want them to be in my phone. Sep 10 06:46:10 FxChiP, you can also open a bottle with you OM if you want Sep 10 06:46:51 heh Sep 10 06:46:57 TTFN Sep 10 06:59:37 will we be still alive in about 1 hour? Sep 10 07:00:09 CERN starts now the first experiment Sep 10 07:01:40 ;) black hole kills us all Sep 10 07:02:46 playya_: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ Sep 10 07:04:08 if ping fails its to late mmontour ? Sep 10 07:10:16 * XorA wishes the world would hurry up and end, would save me 50 quid Sep 10 07:10:46 good morning Sep 10 07:16:35 playya_, ecraven: they aren't crossing the streams tonight :) Sep 10 07:25:27 hello Sep 10 07:26:07 I just updated the openmoko to the 2008.08 developer image, but the USB network doesn't seem to work. And as there are no apps installed on the phone (no terminal), I am at a loss at how to debug this now. Sep 10 07:26:13 any ideas? Sep 10 07:37:11 XorA: can you do an opkg svn checkin for me? Sep 10 07:38:10 XorA: http://pastebin.ca/1198953 (also posted to opkg-devel mailing list) Sep 10 07:41:16 * FxChiP grins Sep 10 07:43:26 rwhitby: thats to follow 302 redirects? Sep 10 07:43:35 yep Sep 10 07:43:44 openmoko: 03graeme * r4640 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: Patch from rwhitby to follow 302 redirects properly. Sep 10 07:43:48 thx Sep 10 07:45:57 * XorA hates it when people ask him questions on MSN that he really doesnt understand then sod off Sep 10 07:48:45 Dave: ? :) Sep 10 07:52:56 meh.. how do i get my xfce4 panel back?? Sep 10 07:54:14 XorA: could you update sane-srcrevs in org.openmoko.dev too? Sep 10 07:55:17 hmm, I just flash to 2008.8 - but how do I get networking going with USB? Sep 10 07:55:52 rwhitby: when my build is finished Sep 10 07:56:03 Derick: have you read the relevant wiki page? Sep 10 07:56:04 XorA: thx Sep 10 07:56:14 XorA: I've updated OE Sep 10 07:56:33 (I've already built and tested the binary earlier) Sep 10 07:56:37 rwhitby: well, I can't find that page... I had networking working just fine with 2007.2 - but now I can't ping the device Sep 10 07:56:40 nm Sep 10 07:56:43 nor is there a terminal, so I can't check either Sep 10 07:56:56 Derick: it's linked off the getting started page Sep 10 07:57:03 let me see Sep 10 07:57:46 I've read all of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Sep 10 07:57:55 ok, which bit isn't working? Sep 10 07:58:13 what debug techniques have you tried so far? Sep 10 07:58:33 I can't ping the phone from my desktop - and I can't debug anything on the phone, as there is no terminal app. Sep 10 07:59:16 did you flash both kernel and rootfs from a consistent pair? Sep 10 07:59:21 yes Sep 10 07:59:29 the "end user" one Sep 10 07:59:56 cause your symptoms match the case where the kernel no longer has g_ether compiled in, but the rootfs hasn't been updated to include the g_ether module Sep 10 08:00:17 rwhitby: should there be a terminal in the 2008.8 standard distribution? Sep 10 08:00:18 what's ifconfig on the host say about the usb0 interface? Sep 10 08:00:43 Derick: dunno, I run FSO Sep 10 08:01:01 kossu:~# ifconfig usb0 Sep 10 08:01:02 usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found Sep 10 08:01:15 yep, symptoms are still matching Sep 10 08:01:20 dmesg says: Sep 10 08:01:26 [345552.629570] usb 1-2: Product: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 Sep 10 08:01:37 [345558.318461] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 26 Sep 10 08:01:39 hmm Sep 10 08:01:52 i'll try to reflash Sep 10 08:02:19 maybe I typoed Sep 10 08:06:29 rwhitby: okay, you were right :/ I think I had flashed an old kernel Sep 10 08:07:32 ~emulate rwhitby Sep 10 08:07:37 Well, my work here is done. Sep 10 09:01:38 anyone know if its possible to run fluxbox or icewm with matchbox-window-manager? and is zhone compatible with a window manager other than matchbox? Sep 10 09:02:08 two window managers at the same time sounds bad Sep 10 09:02:34 i don't know, but is 2008.8 like totally unusable? the qtopia stuff is really slow :/ Sep 10 09:03:45 they keyboard at least Sep 10 09:04:22 try FSO Sep 10 09:04:50 yeah, I think I will Sep 10 09:05:42 milestone 2 you would say? Sep 10 09:14:42 today or tomorrow milestone 3 Sep 10 09:15:08 i'd like to see some shr release (if i had time, i help them) Sep 10 09:16:06 ah, okay Sep 10 09:16:11 i might reflash tomorrow then Sep 10 09:16:39 it depends on the remaining tickets Sep 10 09:16:40 :) Sep 10 09:16:47 of course :) Sep 10 09:16:49 <|FiLiP|> MS3: only one ticket left :-) Sep 10 09:17:01 methril: how would I get added to planet openmoko, and/or my packages appear in some feed? Sep 10 09:17:23 I've ported PHp (and php-gtk) so that I can write apps in PHP Sep 10 09:17:24 what is there to expect from ms3? Sep 10 09:17:41 will it be a working phone? Sep 10 09:17:41 ;0 Sep 10 09:17:48 running gtk\qt apps? Sep 10 09:19:43 Deric: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027833.html Sep 10 09:19:50 methril: thanks Sep 10 09:20:04 you are wellcome Sep 10 09:20:33 Derick: lol Sep 10 09:21:03 wxruby would be nice Sep 10 09:21:07 methril: the only thing to do now is make my system understand per-category *feeds* - it already does tags of course Sep 10 09:21:13 zash: why lol? It's my phone ;-) Sep 10 09:21:39 Derick: php is a ugly hack Sep 10 09:21:49 hehee Sep 10 09:21:50 that's your opinion, we will just disagree on that Sep 10 09:21:52 and it can only be used to make ugly hacks Sep 10 09:22:05 we are going to see another eternal fight :D Sep 10 09:22:38 methril: no, I'll just invoke godwin's law and it's over :) Sep 10 09:22:39 also, php happens to be what i am best at Sep 10 09:22:44 I'm glad php exists, else I had to write my web pages in c (noooooo) Sep 10 09:22:54 dolf1074: or assembler! Sep 10 09:23:00 nooooooooo Sep 10 09:23:17 well, if we have binary, why we need assembler!! :P Sep 10 09:23:24 I think I would do very long for making 1 web page Sep 10 09:23:46 yes, but some people have time :) Sep 10 09:24:01 yeah, why not go back to the light bulbs instead of the transistors Sep 10 09:24:20 methril: I don't Sep 10 09:24:47 dolf1074> neither do i Sep 10 09:32:05 ehi, I'm using pokemon yellow on my freerunner XD Sep 10 09:33:44 playing around with the qtopia images Sep 10 09:34:04 pretty clean looking interface if I say so myself Sep 10 09:34:46 going to flash the FDOM image now though Sep 10 09:37:43 hello! Sep 10 09:39:01 midori 0.0.19: i cannot seem to view (execute?) the location bar (neither from View menu nor Ctrl+L) --webcontent flashes on the right side and goes away (i have tried with both -- navigation bar visible and hidden) Sep 10 09:41:50 Does anyone have problems with the sd-card on om2008.8? Sep 10 09:41:59 I have.. ;) Sep 10 09:42:07 ebbe: don't ask to ask, just ask ;) Sep 10 09:43:07 :) Sep 10 09:43:14 If i "mount /media/card/" it says "mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist" Sep 10 09:43:25 ebbe: have you suspended? Sep 10 09:43:28 do you have a card inserted ? Sep 10 09:43:30 anyone was able to enter a web address in midori@debian@freerunner ? Sep 10 09:43:35 Derick: Yes Sep 10 09:43:43 And I have a card inserted Sep 10 09:43:44 ebbe: then sometimes the device name changes Sep 10 09:43:59 try mount /dev/mmvblk1p1 /media/card Sep 10 09:44:04 try mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/card Sep 10 09:44:36 hi all Sep 10 09:44:46 Derick: "mount: special device /dev/mmvblk1p1 does not exist" Sep 10 09:44:56 [om2008.8] installed Tangogps and it shows me in a locaton where I'm not at. Is this a know problem? I don't think I've seen in on the mail list. Although I'm on the community list not support. Sep 10 09:45:04 ebbe: dmesg then Sep 10 09:45:32 Arigead: maybe you are not where you think you are ;) Trust the FR Sep 10 09:45:34 ;) Sep 10 09:45:56 Derick: I think this comes: "Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver" Sep 10 09:45:57 I have a problem: whenever I try to put a kernel image on a sd card, I get an 'invalid magic number' error, can anybody give me a hint? Sep 10 09:45:57 Arigead: seriously, wait for sometime (~5 minutes) in an opensky place Sep 10 09:46:01 OdyX: Wish I was where it thinks I am! Sep 10 09:46:19 is it somewhere near africa ? Sep 10 09:46:39 Maybe it is "coordinate ZERO" (90 longitude, 0 latitude, altitude 0) Sep 10 09:47:12 Arigead: i suggest you try the agps gui thing to see if you get signal... once you have, try tangogps Sep 10 09:47:24 Derick: "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" in dmesg Sep 10 09:47:32 ebbe: that is not too good Sep 10 09:47:36 no idea about that Sep 10 09:47:40 try reboot :) Sep 10 09:47:41 OdyX: Right I'll try that. It shows me in the Balkans. I'm not a million miles away. Sep 10 09:47:58 Derick: I'll try agps Thanks a million Sep 10 09:48:25 Rebooting.. Sep 10 09:49:33 Arigead: tangogps always shows you in the balkans when it starts up Sep 10 09:49:47 withoout a fix that is Sep 10 09:50:20 i hope they move up to usb2 or even usb3 for a future revision of the OM, flashing takes forever if you have a large image (ex: FDOM) Sep 10 09:50:54 Q4eq8rsa: Never knew that. there was no indication that it didn't have a fix. thanks for that Sep 10 09:51:26 Arigead: did you enable the GPS? tango doesn't do that on its own. Sep 10 09:51:59 Oh and look at the statusbar, there are some numbers all to the right. Sep 10 09:52:21 Q4eq8rsa: Yes I turned it on with the old Settings not illume. I'll try agps and see what it shows me. Sep 10 09:52:22 Derick: What filesystem would you think works the best with the Freerunner? Sep 10 09:52:51 the first shows you the number of visible satelites, the second is the number of used satelites, the third is the HDOP Sep 10 09:53:13 once the second number moves from zero, you have a fix. Sep 10 09:53:56 Arigead: And HDOP should be smaller than 4 before you can "trust" it to be somewhat correct. Sep 10 09:54:00 Q4eq8rsa: Didn't see any numbers on the right. Maybe I failed to start gps Sep 10 09:55:07 hey.. anyone know what this is? when i normal boot my freerunner the device locks with and shows some distorted image.. nothing happens after.. but when i boot from NOR all is fine, it loads the kernel etc. Ive been playing with debian to boot from uboot so I probably somethin fecked up back then. Sep 10 09:55:28 try the trip page, it shows there too. Sep 10 09:55:28 or try agpsui Sep 10 09:55:39 i will second agpsui Sep 10 09:55:44 has anyone tried arch linux on the neo? Sep 10 09:55:52 kwek: what you messed up would be the bootloader environment Sep 10 09:56:16 ecraven: I saw something about that on a blog a few days ago Sep 10 09:56:17 Q4eq8rsa, i think too :) well ive flashed the latest u-boot.. what more can i do Sep 10 09:57:08 arch does not have a arm port as far as i remember Sep 10 09:57:16 kwek: undo all changes you did when you 'played' with debian Sep 10 09:57:23 bsd has an arm port lol Sep 10 09:57:30 mac2k: not yet ;) Sep 10 09:57:45 (: Sep 10 09:58:11 Thanks all. Great help. On another subject. I get a lot of lockups on om2008.8 update. Is there any way that I as a nobody can find the source of what's locked as it might possibly be something that has not been raised as yet. Sep 10 09:58:44 Arigead: What kind of lockups? Sep 10 09:58:51 Q4eq8rsa, well i reflashed u-boot, kernel and root-fs (to 2008).. what else is left? i even cleared the SD Sep 10 09:59:36 kwek: you tried double ext2 on debian, right? Sep 10 09:59:44 ebbe: User interface locks, ssh will not work into the FR. Power switch and aux do nothing. Pull the battery, and restart. Sep 10 09:59:49 Q4eq8rsa, correct Sep 10 10:00:42 that's why you're not supposed to fool around with things you don't understand. Sep 10 10:00:48 dual-ext2 debian heavily modifies the bootloader env. Sep 10 10:01:25 Arigead: That's serious.. Can you reproduce it? Sep 10 10:01:54 I have no idea what exactly it does, so either get an image of a correct uboot env from somebody and flash it, or dissect that debian script and manually undo the changes Sep 10 10:02:24 ebbe: Every half an hour if I last that long. I'd like to get to the root of it but once it's locked there's nothing that I can do to find out what happened. Sep 10 10:03:16 Q4eq8rsa, so if i get it right i probably need to restore the u-boot-env Sep 10 10:03:32 *u-boot_env Sep 10 10:03:43 Arigead: You could try a fresh installation and see if it persists. If it does, it almost sound like the hardware is broken :/ Sep 10 10:03:52 kwek: exactly. Sep 10 10:04:25 I'd give you mine, but I don't think it would work unless you had the original gta02-uboot from factory on. Sep 10 10:05:02 Q4eq8rsa, yeah i flashed one from downloads.openmoko.org the other day Sep 10 10:05:25 ill try to get uboot-envedit working on gentoo Sep 10 10:05:37 kwek: congrats, you figured out how to make it worse Sep 10 10:06:09 maybe you could try to find out which u-boot is factory default and get that one. Sep 10 10:06:11 ebbe:I flashed Qtopia and that works perfect, but it is not an OM distro. I'd rather be running OM or FSO and moving things forward by testing that. Can't get too far though. I'll flash another daily build. Sep 10 10:06:14 well isnt that the fun of it all.. breaking it all and then try to fix it Sep 10 10:06:51 Arigead: Which distros locks? Sep 10 10:07:08 FSO, 2007, 2008 Sep 10 10:07:10 kwek: well... I don't know what to say to that... besides... If it AINT broken: FIX IT Sep 10 10:07:30 hehe Sep 10 10:08:13 kwek: or was it? if it aint broken, DONT fix it? Sep 10 10:08:34 Q4eq8rsa, yeah that one.. but i guess the first applies here Sep 10 10:08:46 oh now i have it: if it ain't broken, don't fix it -- improve it. Sep 10 10:08:51 ebbe: 2008 a daily build from earlier in the week. Maybe I'll try FSO. Sep 10 10:08:57 Q4eq8rsa, well i dont think it can go any worse.. wanna send me your u-boot_env? Sep 10 10:09:23 lemme check where i put it Sep 10 10:09:42 or anyone if they have it Sep 10 10:09:52 ok, how do I send files again? Sep 10 10:10:04 send files? Sep 10 10:10:23 don't have that option Sep 10 10:10:30 oh feck that.. email is ok for me.. mjbroek at gmail Sep 10 10:10:43 ok, Sep 10 10:11:27 btw, gmail dot what? Sep 10 10:11:32 .com Sep 10 10:11:40 k Sep 10 10:13:47 kwek: on its way to you. Sep 10 10:13:53 Q4eq8rsa, tnx mate Sep 10 10:13:55 got it Sep 10 10:14:21 good luck with your 'fix' Sep 10 10:15:42 why you didn't pastebinthe config Sep 10 10:15:42 ok, btw, who can help ME now? Sep 10 10:15:43 ? Sep 10 10:15:50 the env? Sep 10 10:16:02 Q4eq8rsa, weee.. tnx that worked.. now back to breaking it again :P Sep 10 10:16:03 I get 'bad magic number' when trying to start a kernel from sd Sep 10 10:16:22 kwek: works again? Sep 10 10:16:24 yeah Sep 10 10:16:33 it boots again Sep 10 10:16:54 usually in u-boot you have the default-env harcoded Sep 10 10:16:57 k, next time, read the script, THEN execute the script. Sep 10 10:17:11 is that so? Sep 10 10:17:35 how do you enable the default? Sep 10 10:28:43 one way is deleting the saved env in flash (through u-booot serial line) and restart Sep 10 10:28:51 it uses the hardcoded env Sep 10 10:29:48 anyone had any luck suspending/powering down the wifi after it has been used? Sep 10 10:30:55 I'd like to improve my battery life, but the ar6k seems to be drawing power all the time Sep 10 10:47:50 i have created a sample deb package abcd.1.0.0_i386.deb. is there any build environment to cross-compile for Arm?? (because i have installed debian on my free-runner) Sep 10 10:48:32 how to change 2008.8 ringtone,sms sound ? Sep 10 10:48:49 not sure how to do it but it should be part of the debian build system Sep 10 10:49:54 hmm, FSO doesn't come with update feeds - can I use the OM 2008.8 ones? Sep 10 10:50:57 give it a try, they may use different directory layouts Sep 10 10:55:13 how do i restart X server? Without reboot. Sep 10 10:55:55 /etc/init.d/xser* restart Sep 10 10:55:56 /etc/init.d/ something starting with x Sep 10 10:59:14 does FSO only allow phone numbers in SIM cards? Sep 10 11:02:26 thanks Sep 10 11:10:11 hmm, opkg segfaults :/ Sep 10 11:15:45 bumbl: hey ;) any luck with gentoo on the neo? Sep 10 11:16:53 ah, out of memory Sep 10 11:17:23 not tried yet Sep 10 11:17:38 I haven't touched my neo for a while Sep 10 11:17:39 no :/ Sep 10 11:17:41 not that Sep 10 11:18:10 but ecraven there is a guide @ the wiki Sep 10 11:21:24 maddy: sure. "sudo qemubuilder --build abcd*.dsc" Sep 10 11:21:50 maddy: please look at the debian wiki for more info and don't hesitate to /msg me for help Sep 10 11:23:35 lindi-, ok Sep 10 11:24:28 bumbl: i'd like arch, not gentoo ;) Sep 10 11:25:23 ard that there are some unofficial ppc ports Sep 10 11:25:25 arch has the problem that it is not that flexible and its i868 only although I he Sep 10 11:25:29 ard that there are some unofficial ppc ports Sep 10 11:25:44 * bumbl must configure his touchpad Sep 10 11:27:58 hi, I can't get the hide/show button for the matchbox keyboard... anybody could help me please? Sep 10 11:37:12 shr.bearstech.com is back and building again Sep 10 11:42:22 yay Sep 10 11:42:33 although with fso-makefile, building is pretty simple Sep 10 11:42:42 took like 4 hours the first time, but updates take like 15min now Sep 10 11:44:44 ieatlint: glad you like it Sep 10 11:45:06 would that be you who set it up? :) Sep 10 11:45:13 * rwhitby gets fed up with the Duplicates thread, and posts an FAQ Sep 10 11:45:20 yep, that would be me. Sep 10 11:45:26 well, good job.. Sep 10 11:45:47 without docs, it took me a little bit of time to figure it out (and then find the images)... but now very simple Sep 10 11:46:06 feel free to write the docs then in return ;-) Sep 10 11:46:26 hehe, they're be horribly incomplete i'm afraid Sep 10 11:46:44 and as too many people who've tried to use my code can attest, i rarely write docs Sep 10 11:47:27 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r0c3a1c36b18e 10/setup-env: setup-env: Extend BBPATH for shr overlay Sep 10 11:54:19 just a quick question.. where does the OM2008.8 image store the contacts and SMSes? Sep 10 11:54:30 ASU == 2008 ? Sep 10 11:54:41 yes, as far as I understood Sep 10 11:54:53 pooze: I know contacts, in /home/root/applications there is... qtopia.db I think Sep 10 11:55:16 Anyway, contacts are stored in an sqlite database, I was looking for that yesterday evening Sep 10 11:56:39 you mean this file: /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite ? Sep 10 11:56:55 hello Sep 10 11:57:00 where does zhone store the contact details? Sep 10 11:58:25 pooze: something like that, yes Sep 10 11:59:11 my GPS seems not to work (debian, 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 29) fso-gpsd launched OK, tangogps is connecting and reading from gpsd OK, cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ is giving out nothing, tangogps shows LatLon 90/0 Alt 500 P/H/V-DOP 99.99/99.99/99.99 Sep 10 11:59:20 I can show you quick and amatourish ways to take a peek inside, but don't count on much more ;) Sep 10 11:59:47 sledgeas: maybe it just has not got fix yet Sep 10 12:01:37 lindi-: so even when it hasnt, is it ok that cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v is silent? and i tried getting a fix in my room for quite a while (i am residing in the valley of alps, Italy) (my FR is rather new, DateCode 20080725, and has already the capacitor on the SD-slot (yes, SD is inserted, 'cause only there is the gps software for now) Sep 10 12:02:00 sledgeas: did you try it by the window? Sep 10 12:02:09 no Sep 10 12:02:16 it had 2 meters until the window Sep 10 12:02:24 is it soo sensitiv to that? Sep 10 12:02:37 I believe the initial fix yes Sep 10 12:02:41 hmmm Sep 10 12:03:06 how could i track that gpsd is at least attempting to get a fix? i tried this in the moving train, too Sep 10 12:03:31 it won't fix if it's moving Sep 10 12:03:36 (lol i didnt have time yet just to calmly put FR to sit outside, as now im in the office :)) Sep 10 12:03:54 Hi. On FSO-ms2, the icon htop doesn't launch anything. Problem known ? Sep 10 12:04:03 but it doesn't have any problem tracking from inside a train once it has fixed Sep 10 12:04:04 si-m1: but an HP handheld of my friend has been getting perfect fixes in the car (tom tom software etc) Sep 10 12:04:10 Yeah, I believe I saw FR having problems getting initial fix even when I was walking or biking with it Sep 10 12:04:23 sledgeas: yea but it probably already fixed while the car was standing still Sep 10 12:04:30 also, they usually save the fix Sep 10 12:04:33 si-m1: no, in moving all the time Sep 10 12:04:41 so when you boot it up again it will use the saved fix Sep 10 12:04:59 'Enter' key doesnt work on illume keyboard in terminal? Sep 10 12:05:16 and several times, because he'd turned that software off (to write SMSs every so often), and it had lost fix, then once software back, 2-3 minutes and the fix is back Sep 10 12:06:00 so i'd really fancy in breaking this gps behaviour down whilst comparing it to my friend's HP palmtop.. if you guys help me out ;) Sep 10 12:06:03 k.. may be some other magic methods of fixing while moving Sep 10 12:06:13 sledgeas: i am not sure Sep 10 12:06:16 aa-rite, so it's not the FR's hardware Sep 10 12:06:26 which I thought was less robust Sep 10 12:06:32 i've never gotten a fix on fr while moving Sep 10 12:06:45 but once it has a fix it works pretty well Sep 10 12:07:15 si-m1: in tangogps it writes that it was 0/0 satellite Sep 10 12:07:16 s Sep 10 12:07:29 so i think the truth is somewhere outthere rather than the fixs Sep 10 12:08:42 sledgeas: try the agps tool first... I think thta functionality should be part of tangogps actually Sep 10 12:10:26 I have Sep 10 12:10:29 OdyX: same issue here Sep 10 12:10:44 anybody know where the kernel code for the touchscreen lives? Sep 10 12:10:53 Derick: ok, trying.. Sep 10 12:10:54 beni_: I'll try to update to fso-testing on bearstech and see if something changes.. Sep 10 12:10:57 OdyX: the problem is, i think, that its not possible to launch an terminal window currently Sep 10 12:11:07 the terminal launches correctly.. Sep 10 12:11:09 OdyX: dont changes anything, i have it running. Sep 10 12:11:19 @all: try the hardware fix presented in the wiki Sep 10 12:11:22 worked miracles for me Sep 10 12:11:34 beni_: what about fso-testing ? not good ? Sep 10 12:11:44 OdyX: yes, the terminal. But the "htop" button launches htop, and that needs a terminal started which in turn calls htop then. and that point is not working so far Sep 10 12:11:53 okay... Sep 10 12:12:00 I'll update to fso-testing anyway. Sep 10 12:12:01 OdyX: its okay but wont fix your issue Sep 10 12:12:14 I hate being stalled without updates ;) Like staying in etch Sep 10 12:12:57 OdyX:lol Sep 10 12:13:23 beni_: it's no "real" issue as I can easily go into terminal and "type" htop ther Sep 10 12:13:23 Can anyone here help me enable my usb keyboard in X? Sep 10 12:13:53 Derick: apt-cache search agps (-- no results) and alas i got no wi-fi on my Om2008 on NAND, wil lhave to try out only in the evening then (should i maybe try now gpsd (not fso-gpsd)?) Sep 10 12:14:15 sledgeas: I don't know the name of the tool... Sep 10 12:14:35 openmoko-agpsui Sep 10 12:14:42 yes, no thing for debian Sep 10 12:14:57 just run the binary from the .opkg Sep 10 12:15:11 hmm, worth-a-try Sep 10 12:15:27 and an .opkg is a .deb anyway Sep 10 12:15:38 so rename to .deb and dpkg install *should* work Sep 10 12:15:58 ok, people throw me a bone here... what's the equivalent of xorg.conf on the FR? Sep 10 12:16:03 ;) Sep 10 12:17:36 Q4eq8rsa: on my zhone(debian) it's there: /etc/X11/xorg.conf :) Sep 10 12:18:40 :-$ I know. But there's none on Om2007.2 Sep 10 12:18:53 I'd use debian, but Zhone suxx Sep 10 12:19:08 wouah.. Segmentation fault on opkg upgarde Sep 10 12:19:14 any pointer to some solution ? Sep 10 12:19:16 OdyX: I just had the same Sep 10 12:19:18 solution Sep 10 12:19:37 download wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/libopkg0_0.1.4+svnr4564-r0_armv4t.opk Sep 10 12:19:43 unzip Sep 10 12:19:58 cp libopkg.so.0.0.0 to /usr/lib on the openmoko Sep 10 12:20:36 Q4eq8rsa: im not using FR as a phone, so i basically skip zhone with Alt+Tab between the terminals and midori with matchbox-kbd lol Sep 10 12:20:38 unzip ? Sep 10 12:20:51 well, it's a .deb Sep 10 12:20:53 I used mc Sep 10 12:21:00 tar.gz the Sep 10 12:21:00 copied out the file, and scp'd it over Sep 10 12:21:27 sledgeas: you're not helping Sep 10 12:21:39 OdyX: it's not tar.gz Sep 10 12:21:56 i think Sep 10 12:22:00 i'm trying to get things to work here Sep 10 12:22:09 Q4eq8rsa: if i knew, what is the /dev for NAND i would mount it and search for it for you, sounds crazy that they've moved xorg.conf away tho Sep 10 12:22:35 OdyX: files.derickrethans.nl/libopkg.so.0.0.0 Sep 10 12:22:37 why in the world you need to modify something in xorg.conf - everything should be automagically pre-set Sep 10 12:22:54 thanks Derick Sep 10 12:23:19 also, put okpg-cl in /usr/bin Sep 10 12:23:20 i searched it already, there is no such thing as an xorg.conf anywhere Sep 10 12:23:42 OdyX: files.derickrethans.nl/opkg-cl Sep 10 12:24:02 I tried before putting opkg-cl and it seems to work Sep 10 12:24:08 why would it be needed ? Sep 10 12:24:20 sledgeas: because I want to use the USB keyboard in X. Sep 10 12:24:26 just a precaution, in case symbols changed between versions Sep 10 12:24:29 works fine in console, but not in X Sep 10 12:24:37 hmm Sep 10 12:24:39 k, got it Sep 10 12:24:40 for the moment it works Sep 10 12:24:42 ;) Sep 10 12:25:48 Many thanks Derick : it would not have found alone Sep 10 12:25:55 np Sep 10 12:26:08 it was a wild guess on my part - spend a good half hour on it too :) Sep 10 12:28:02 Is there any sort of changelog monitor (similar to apt-getchanges) when updating packages ? Sep 10 12:29:56 Derick: had you tried strace ? Sep 10 12:29:59 doesn't anyone know which configfiles that _blasted_xserver uses? Sep 10 12:30:12 OdyX: no, gdb actually - it should the segfault in libopkg Sep 10 12:30:17 so I decided to find an update Sep 10 12:30:40 which was in the repository Sep 10 12:30:48 but I couldn't install it because it segfaulted Sep 10 12:30:51 so I did it by hand Sep 10 12:30:55 okay Sep 10 12:31:16 This is an issue for those having FSO-ms2, because they won't be able to update ... Sep 10 12:31:17 hi, I'm porting gnuboy to openmoko, now I need a keyboard, how can I do? Sep 10 12:31:42 OdyX: i just used the normal "testing" repositories Sep 10 12:31:54 m3: find an suitable USB adaptators chain to connect your keyboard to your FR Sep 10 12:32:08 Derick: I try to not mix the distros... Sep 10 12:32:20 OdyX: no... I need a touch keyboard for evey day usage Sep 10 12:32:27 OdyX: me neither - but the FSO repository didn't even exist... Sep 10 12:32:31 true Sep 10 12:32:32 ;) Sep 10 12:33:42 Derick: fso-testing repo exists at shr.bearstech.com Sep 10 12:33:46 m3: there is a pretty useable keyboard in FSO (illume-keyboard I think) Sep 10 12:34:03 rwhitby: ah, that is new :) Sep 10 12:34:12 OdyX: I need a new one, like the gameboy one :D Sep 10 12:34:19 rwhitby: perhaps you also know where zhone stores the contact information? Sep 10 12:34:25 write it down ;) Sep 10 12:34:28 on the SIM Sep 10 12:34:43 ah, that stinks as my sim is limited Sep 10 12:34:57 Derick: shr.bearstech.com has been up for almost a month now ... Sep 10 12:34:57 and I've too many phone numbers :/ Sep 10 12:35:09 rwhitby: I started with FSO today... so it was new to me Sep 10 12:35:11 and the amount of information storeable is way too low (photos, various phone numbers ...) Sep 10 12:35:22 OdyX: indeed Sep 10 12:35:39 I will see if I can write it in myself :) Sep 10 12:35:52 In all my previous phones (actually, with my actual phone), I stored the contacts in the phone, nothing on the SIM Sep 10 12:36:01 fso is not a front-end, it's only enough apps to test the framework that is there, and there is no contacts framework there so there is no contacts app Sep 10 12:36:28 well... there is one in zhone.. Sep 10 12:36:44 no, it's a sim card editor, not a contacts application Sep 10 12:37:01 rwhitby: any suggestions on how to get something started here? Sep 10 12:37:18 it's only there to test that reading and writing the sim card works through the framework APIs. Sep 10 12:37:35 okay Sep 10 12:37:37 good to know Sep 10 12:37:39 yeah, I understand... I meant on how to get a framework API on this going Sep 10 12:37:41 Derick: join the SHR project. They are porting om2007.2 apps to FSO framework Sep 10 12:38:00 rwhitby: any url with info on that? Sep 10 12:38:20 first hit on google for "shr openmoko" Sep 10 12:38:24 ok :) Sep 10 12:38:56 So. We have om2007.2 and om2008.8, FSO which takes the best of both and SHR which takes 2007.2 to FSO !? Sep 10 12:39:56 has anyone here _any_ idea about using the usb host mode of FR? Sep 10 12:40:16 fso doesn't take the best of both Sep 10 12:40:23 rwhitby:OM2008.8 build is being stable?I tried to setup on my system but it is failed at qtopia-phone package. Sep 10 12:40:36 fso is a complete rewrite of the underlying base API functionality, and nothing on top Sep 10 12:41:04 opendeep: org.openmoko.asu.stable, openmoko-asu-image is meant to build Sep 10 12:41:10 is that what you are building? Sep 10 12:41:20 and SHR will be based on FSO if I understand correctly Sep 10 12:41:41 OdyX: shr is apps from 2007.2/2008.8, on top of fso framework Sep 10 12:41:42 rwhitby:yes Sep 10 12:42:38 dudes using the latest software, does suspend & resume finally work? Sep 10 12:42:42 opendeep: I haven't built that myself lately, so it must just be broken metadata Sep 10 12:42:50 how do you guys startup xterm in zhone-session? i add xterm &, but even when in there before xterm line (zhone-session is a #!/bin/sh) is a line set HOME=/root, xterm still starts with HOME=/ .. Sep 10 12:43:00 igor321: define "latest software" Sep 10 12:43:12 latest kernel, daily builds, whatevz :) Sep 10 12:43:22 which of the 7 distros are you referring to? Sep 10 12:43:26 talking about 2008.8 Sep 10 12:43:40 ok, you need to state that up front Sep 10 12:43:42 whatevz includes self-compiled git burning-edge source code ;) which already may be taking FRs to mars :) Sep 10 12:44:39 opendeep: my asu build fails with a missing file: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/rwhitby/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/util-macros-1_1.1.5-r1.01/install/util-macros-dbg.lock' Sep 10 12:50:08 rwhitby: if I find bugs in fso-testing (e.g. the icon for tangogps does not appear), where should I report ? Sep 10 12:50:47 OdyX: trac.freesmartphone.org Sep 10 12:50:53 tickets ? OK Sep 10 12:52:04 so does fso actually support new sms notification now? or am i misunderstanding the closing of that ticket... Sep 10 13:01:55 Which distro would be the most practical to get to know for a openmoko newbie? Are all the aspect of 2007.2 equal to the 2008.8 or are there complete changes of technology? Sep 10 13:02:01 ieatlint: it should Sep 10 13:02:16 Daramarak2: they are a complete change of technology Sep 10 13:02:49 fantastic... now i just need to find my phones Sep 10 13:03:08 So much of the knowledge I get from playing with 2007.2 would be only for that distro? Sep 10 13:04:10 Daramarak2, are you talking development getting used to, or end user getting used to? Sep 10 13:04:47 Development, I want to contribute, but I need to know the system better first. Sep 10 13:05:22 most distros share some aspects, but are entirely different in others Sep 10 13:05:53 2007.2 is dead Sep 10 13:05:55 if you want to do non-gsm development (ie, nothing that involves sms/phone/sim stuff), then the code is more portable Sep 10 13:06:19 hmm Sep 10 13:06:23 all but qtopia use x, enlightenment, gtk... Sep 10 13:06:28 AFAIK, learn how FSO acts Sep 10 13:06:36 dammit, when will the last issue of fso3 be solved ? Sep 10 13:06:51 Or learn how to interact with FSO Sep 10 13:07:10 oh hey, the universe didn't cease to exist.. Sep 10 13:07:31 they tested the collider a little bit ago Sep 10 13:08:07 ieatlint: well, it did cease to exist, it just ceased faster than being able to notify people about it Sep 10 13:08:17 ignorance is bliss Sep 10 13:08:47 so you're saying that the world has ceased to exist, but it stopped existing so fast no one noticed? Sep 10 13:08:57 that makes even less sense than those end of the world freaks Sep 10 13:09:11 our mother universe ceased to exist, but we all went through Geneva's blackhole and we are now in a mighty land full of Freerunners working perfectly Sep 10 13:09:28 ieatlint: It might have ceased to exist for a while, and then suddenly just popped into existence again :) Sep 10 13:10:49 ieatlint: thats the whole point of it, not making sense is a new mindsport these days Sep 10 13:11:22 well, if fox news can make a business of it, then who am i to argue Sep 10 13:12:25 the earth turned itself through the CERN. It is still spheric, but we are inside the sphere. I see the australians above my head ! Sep 10 13:12:44 I can confirm that I'm looking down on OdyX Sep 10 13:13:14 they don't let me into church anymore, ever since i told the pastor "no taxation without representation" as they passed the collection plate :( Sep 10 13:13:31 they only did one beam today anyway, they don't collide anything for weeks. Sep 10 13:13:47 nahh... seriously, those bastards that went in court against the CERN are just not serious: they discredit the whole Science for their personal glory Sep 10 13:14:11 well, here's hoping the world ends... committing suicide is too much effort Sep 10 13:15:06 * OdyX builds the SHR Sep 10 13:15:44 good luck with that Sep 10 13:19:43 ieatlint: for the moment, it builds... Sep 10 13:19:58 ieatlint: is there a problem with the building ? Sep 10 13:20:19 i haven't screwed with it much Sep 10 13:20:47 since it's not supposed to be at all ready yet, and the build produces inheritance errors, i just kinda let it be without trying to fix the errors myself Sep 10 13:20:53 Is there already a place where "autobuilds" of the SHR are produced ? Sep 10 13:21:51 no to my knowledge Sep 10 13:22:16 because if the process is something similar to "every 24 hours, "svn update" and "make" and "move to repos"", I could provide more or less the CPU and the space (don't know about the bandwidth) Sep 10 13:23:19 well, it doesn't need too much cpu to build after the first time Sep 10 13:23:29 updates are quick, since you needn't recompile more than a few packages Sep 10 13:23:32 hopefully Sep 10 13:23:36 but shr doesn't build methinks Sep 10 13:23:49 we'll see ;) Sep 10 13:25:57 OdyX: shr.bearstech.com Sep 10 13:26:19 and it attempts to start a build every 15 minutes Sep 10 13:26:28 yeah... I heard about it... and updated to fso-testing using it... but can't see shr ... Sep 10 13:27:03 OdyX: yeah, it only came back on line today, and shr is still building Sep 10 13:27:18 OKay... Sep 10 13:27:35 Running task 179 of 5136 of shr-unstable Sep 10 13:27:51 my laptop is at 406 Sep 10 13:27:52 ;) Sep 10 13:28:09 you're probably not building fso-unstable at the same time :-) Sep 10 13:28:18 that should be it ;) Sep 10 13:28:31 (since it's been offline for over a week, so there's lots to catch up on) Sep 10 13:28:36 anyway, if there is a need of space or CPU-time or (limited) bandwith, just ask...) Sep 10 13:29:07 I already have a parallel build and feed on the nslu2-linux machine which is in the same rack as master.kernel.org at OSUOSL Sep 10 13:29:30 (just in case shr.bearstech.com goes down again) Sep 10 13:29:56 and there is little chance that master.k.o would fail Sep 10 13:29:58 ;) Sep 10 13:30:36 it's only the same rack, completely different machines Sep 10 13:31:20 "The beam just circulated counterclockwise for the first time, huge applause. At this rate they should have the Higg's nailed by the weekend (just kidding)." Sep 10 13:32:07 kaaboom. Sep 10 13:32:12 yeah, that's my turn at the joke Sep 10 13:32:19 see and we are all alive :/ Sep 10 13:32:30 how boring -,- Sep 10 13:32:36 meh, the prediction was for 50 months anyway Sep 10 13:32:49 (which just so happens to coincide with the mayan calender) Sep 10 13:33:16 but no, the lhc wont destroy the world Sep 10 13:33:27 imho openmoko gta10 will have it's own colider >.< Sep 10 13:33:32 the mayans can't be too great at predicting the future if they let themselves be overrun by europeans Sep 10 13:33:34 because the world is gonna end in fire, not super-gravity and time-dilation Sep 10 13:35:30 or what about geiger counter in openmoko <.< Sep 10 13:35:47 find a usb one, and you're set Sep 10 13:35:58 or bluetooth Sep 10 13:36:04 dunno if there is such thing :) Sep 10 13:36:23 i wouldn't be surprised either way Sep 10 13:36:42 http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/geiger_counter.html omg Sep 10 13:36:52 the military would have a use for reading data from a geiger counter with a computer, and there's no sense in making your own interface Sep 10 13:37:21 yep, there you go Sep 10 13:37:35 it'll need a bit of hacking to make driver but it should work Sep 10 13:38:38 The whole silliness with the Hadron just goes to show that people haven't really come very far from Copernicus' time. Sep 10 13:38:41 blah, that's the second time i've done that today Sep 10 13:39:46 mwester, oh please, the bible say nothing of us "revolving" around the sun... i think god would have mentioned it in genesis Sep 10 13:40:11 so http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ is uploading right now... Sep 10 13:42:37 it's too bad scientology would sue me if i tried to start something called scienceology Sep 10 13:43:08 perhaps they'd let me in germany Sep 10 13:43:22 aren't they forbidden ? Sep 10 13:43:25 ieatlint, it'd still be funny Sep 10 13:43:38 Mononoke: not in all parts of the world Sep 10 13:44:06 Mononoke, kinda my point, as long as "scienceology" weren't a cult, the german gov may just look the other way and smile Sep 10 13:44:38 well in some way any community is cult Sep 10 13:45:26 fuck all religions and cults Sep 10 13:45:27 so by your own wording, you're either in a cult, or completely socially devoid? Sep 10 13:45:28 :-) Sep 10 13:45:41 "Cult" typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream. << openmoko ? Sep 10 13:46:04 I'll count to ten and we'll all commit suicide! Sep 10 13:46:30 * Tanuva won't Sep 10 13:46:40 you suck at counting, it didn't happen Sep 10 13:47:48 but it opens question if mainstream is always good. Is iphone good ? Sep 10 13:48:18 heh, apple freaks are probably on the verge of moving to south africa to build jobstown Sep 10 13:48:30 err, south america :P Sep 10 13:48:39 hehe Sep 10 13:48:55 org.freesmartphone.Phone Sep 10 13:49:01 why does everything start with org ? Sep 10 13:49:03 so let's move to africa and build open town :P look at olpc Sep 10 13:49:36 Or let's move to space, become rich and found a publicly successful Linux distro ;) Sep 10 13:49:44 sealand? Sep 10 13:49:45 CVirus: cause com is soooo dirty Sep 10 13:49:54 is sealand still for sale? Sep 10 13:50:04 rwhitby: no seriously ? Sep 10 13:50:18 CVirus: I blame java namespaces Sep 10 13:50:33 rwhitby: is it all C by the way ? Sep 10 13:50:43 it's mostly python Sep 10 13:50:52 CVirus: because it's the opensource first level domain name. you ask about java package'ing naming, which must correspond to the domain levels in reversed order (started from level 1). thus www.ibm.com would package into com.ibm.www Sep 10 13:51:03 no gta01 files yet at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ keeping my fingers crossed Sep 10 13:51:25 rwhitby: the dbus api is python ? Sep 10 13:51:27 freesmartphone release process is backwards for an open source project Sep 10 13:51:42 CVirus: the freesmartphone.org implementation is Sep 10 13:52:15 anyway: org is a sound name to call anything free gnu open source etc :) Sep 10 13:52:29 because it's never a com[mercial] :) Sep 10 13:52:35 There are dbus APIs for most common languages at this point. Even Perl, I'm told. Sep 10 13:52:52 mwester: probably .NET too Sep 10 13:52:59 (the language, not the domain) Sep 10 13:53:04 AaaaaaggghhhH! Sep 10 13:53:23 There is. I just googled it. Sep 10 13:53:35 probably VB too Sep 10 13:53:57 That's too horrible to even google :D Sep 10 13:54:24 There's a ruby dbus API. That could be interesiting. Sep 10 13:55:00 mwester: http://gambasrad.org/pages/about Sep 10 13:55:08 dbus api in visual basic clone Sep 10 13:55:45 hi all, is there any unrar like software on openmoko? pls Sep 10 13:55:56 * mwester falls off his chair laughing after reading the first paragraph of that web page... Sep 10 13:56:54 if i want to install zhone, what sort of image should i start with? Sep 10 13:57:09 toggles_w: wait about 30 minutes, and fso3 should be ready Sep 10 13:57:23 rwhitby: rock on! Sep 10 13:58:30 how to diable screen blanking in debian? Sep 10 13:58:57 timo2k: what does the screen blanking? Sep 10 13:59:09 Anybody done any work with image display on gta-02? Sep 10 14:00:03 have installed debian and want to use tangogps, after some seconds the screen goes darker then off.. is there anything in /sys to turn that powermanagement feature off? Sep 10 14:00:20 timo2k: again, do you know what controls brightness? Sep 10 14:00:20 timo2k: thats done by zhone, quit it or modify the source :) Sep 10 14:00:28 spoilers :) Sep 10 14:00:47 but xorg (?) will turn off the screen after some 15min, too Sep 10 14:01:34 lindi: no sorry I'm only searching in /sys maybe there are some contols Sep 10 14:01:49 i am getting Segmentation fault on zhone whlie apt-get --upgrade (--install *) building dependency tree (70 or now 89%) after i run apt-get --update everything's fine again. im just afraid that one day this might not help, a kinda not-funny error you know :) Sep 10 14:02:26 rwhitby: will there be a gta01 build of fso3 too? Im watching the dir index and getting nervous... Sep 10 14:02:38 DPThought: the status wiki page says there will be Sep 10 14:02:41 Tanuva: okay I could disable zhone. I'n not so experienced to modify source directly :( but thanks I'll try.. Sep 10 14:02:58 rwhitby: thanks Sep 10 14:03:00 timo2k: its python, not that hard :) Sep 10 14:03:12 DPThought: if not, there will be one on shr.bearstech.com as soon as mickey|bbl does the right thing and releases the source code configuration for the golden build ... Sep 10 14:03:33 which he's just done :-) Sep 10 14:03:44 Tanuva: okay maybe I'll have a look at it Sep 10 14:07:43 has anyone else noticed that after suspend on 2008.8 you can no longer use bluetooth? Sep 10 14:07:51 DPThought: gta01 fso-testing is building now on shr.bearstech.com - let's see if i can beat mickey|bbl to the punch Sep 10 14:08:35 or better yet...does anyone know a workaround for this? Sep 10 14:08:51 timo2k: well, zhone does the brightness control primarily Sep 10 14:08:58 timo2k: the source is really easy to modify Sep 10 14:09:55 rwhitby:the new MokoMakefile does not contain TARGET openmoko-devel-image, ASU. May I know what happend? Sep 10 14:10:17 opendeep: it only builds asu now Sep 10 14:10:33 org.openmoko.asu.stable, and openmoko-asu-image Sep 10 14:10:46 (or org.openmoko.dev and openmoko-base-image as the bleeding edge alternative) Sep 10 14:11:25 rwhitby:If i want to build OM2007.2 then I need to use which Makefile? Sep 10 14:11:50 opendeep: no longer supported - you can get an old version from the mokomakefile svn repository if you really need to do so Sep 10 14:12:42 rwhitby: oh, thanks for your kind reply. Sep 10 14:15:33 okay thanks lindi !! also trying to install XFCE4 as desktop just for fun.. but I need 10MB more space on my card :( 512 MB are too less for debian :) Sep 10 14:18:46 someone know some website with general instructions for running a home brewed linux with a1200? Sep 10 14:19:26 specially for running a qemu image then flashing it up on phone Sep 10 14:19:46 greboides: http://openezx.org/ ? Sep 10 14:20:11 rwhitby: dont you something more specific? Sep 10 14:20:21 greboides: nope Sep 10 14:21:04 http://wiki.openezx.org/Project_Status shows lots of red still for a1200 Sep 10 14:23:08 well it runs already :) Sep 10 14:23:31 does anyone know a workaround for bluetooth not coming back after suspend on 2008.8? Sep 10 14:23:50 can it boot without internal flash support? Sep 10 14:27:33 hey, what's the solution for the iso error on om2007? Sep 10 14:27:35 i forgot Sep 10 14:32:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9fe3fe5f5166 10/packages/e17/e-wm_svn.bb: [e-wm] Fix the DESCRIPTION as of https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1894 Sep 10 14:35:19 What's poppin', whitby? Sep 10 14:39:03 hi, anybody knows the scancode of aux button? Sep 10 14:39:33 me: scancode? Sep 10 14:39:48 lindi-: yes the scancode Sep 10 14:39:55 heh Sep 10 14:40:00 keycode Sep 10 14:40:03 anyone elso having a problem with apm/battery reporting 0% charge? Sep 10 14:40:05 sorry Sep 10 14:40:16 Dave: do you know the keycode of aux? XD Sep 10 14:40:21 lindi-: you? Sep 10 14:40:22 nuclear_eclipse: there's always been problems. Sep 10 14:40:27 me: stop asking! Sep 10 14:40:49 Dave: lol, sorry, but I need it :( Sep 10 14:40:56 me: it's different depending on gta01/gta02, I don't think OS matters, but it might! Sep 10 14:41:09 look it up on the wiki, otherwise cga has that info, whenever they show up Sep 10 14:41:15 Dave: any way to fix it? Sep 10 14:41:19 Dave: who is cga? Sep 10 14:41:21 nuclear_eclipse: deal with it? Sep 10 14:41:27 I tried a reboot, but it's still only reporting 0% Sep 10 14:41:29 Some crazy italian :) Sep 10 14:41:33 nuclear_eclipse: Ah, yeah Sep 10 14:41:37 I remember that one :) Sep 10 14:41:40 good times ~_~ Sep 10 14:41:45 hi Dave me Sep 10 14:41:49 :O Sep 10 14:41:52 what's the matter? Sep 10 14:41:53 cga: do you know the keycode for aux? Sep 10 14:42:02 Dave: it would be nice to know how much battery life I have left, and to know that my Neo isn't constantly trying to overcharge the battery... Sep 10 14:42:03 me: sorry? Sep 10 14:42:08 nuclear_eclipse: do a hot battery swap Sep 10 14:42:14 cga: I need the keycode for the aux button Sep 10 14:42:22 Dave: hot battery swap? Sep 10 14:42:23 nuclear_eclipse: don't worry, it's not Sep 10 14:42:26 it just won't tell you! Sep 10 14:42:28 ok Sep 10 14:42:28 :P~ Sep 10 14:42:40 me: not sure what is it but you can check on the wiki where i got the hexes for device Sep 10 14:42:44 Clearly, it's still very annoying and unhelpful Sep 10 14:42:49 Dave: what do you mean by hot battery swap? Sep 10 14:42:53 cga: where? I can't find it Sep 10 14:42:58 me: it comes from some /dev/input/event*? Sep 10 14:43:03 me: so just hexdump that? Sep 10 14:43:13 me: then X translates it to something too, use xev to see what Sep 10 14:43:32 nuclear wessels: boot up device, connect to power source, remove battery while it's on, and then after a minute, replace it! Sep 10 14:43:40 ah, gotcha Sep 10 14:43:42 thanks Dave Sep 10 14:43:48 yeah, it may work Sep 10 14:44:07 I found that if you have a second battery, it usually forces it to read the info from a DIFFERENT battery, and it worked, but this should work Sep 10 14:44:12 otherwise, it's just being cranky Sep 10 14:44:33 Note that it may not necessarily reset the read info immediately :P Sep 10 14:44:38 it's kind of slow :) Sep 10 14:44:41 cga: I can't found infos on the wiki... Sep 10 14:44:42 (if you haven't noticed) Sep 10 14:44:52 ok Sep 10 14:44:57 :P Sep 10 14:45:10 nuclear_eclipse, so, there I was playing net yesterday... Sep 10 14:45:23 I finally got Net working on AUS :P Sep 10 14:45:30 :D Sep 10 14:45:30 s/AUS/ASU/ Sep 10 14:45:31 nuclear_eclipse meant: I finally got Net working on ASU :P Sep 10 14:45:36 oh sweet Sep 10 14:45:42 not that I use ASU, but sweet Sep 10 14:45:48 now at least it's "usable," right? :P Sep 10 14:46:04 actually, yes, 2008.8 is quite nice to use these days Sep 10 14:46:11 me: be patient. i'm busy right now. later i search the code i was talking about Sep 10 14:46:15 oh yeah? Sep 10 14:46:17 I've been using it nonstop for the past coulpe weeks Sep 10 14:46:31 it's rock solid now, it seems Sep 10 14:46:33 cga: thanks, how can I get the code later? Sep 10 14:46:33 Which, 2008, or net? Sep 10 14:46:35 :P Sep 10 14:46:37 cga: email? Sep 10 14:46:37 both :) Sep 10 14:46:42 :D Sep 10 14:47:24 nuclear eclipse, guess what I thought about? :D Sep 10 14:47:29 Dave: it worked! Sep 10 14:47:35 me: wiki Sep 10 14:47:36 ty! Sep 10 14:47:38 It did? :) Sep 10 14:47:40 Yay! Sep 10 14:47:50 so, what'd you think bout? Sep 10 14:47:57 yeah, that'll teach that bitch to disrespect you ;p Sep 10 14:48:01 cga: where do you will put the code in the wiki? Sep 10 14:48:17 So anyway, I considered possibly doing Net in 3d Sep 10 14:48:26 that is, add a third dimension to it Sep 10 14:48:31 hehe, that'd be insanely sweet :) Sep 10 14:48:38 granted it would increase the complexity for the puzzle exponentially Sep 10 14:48:42 yeah Sep 10 14:48:43 but it'd still be awesome :D Sep 10 14:49:16 I'd considered doing some sort of knock off that had a bit more complex ruleset, but I'm lazy and all... Sep 10 14:49:23 I'm not certain how you'd be able to operate and SEE all the pipes/lines/wire/route without multiple camera angles or occlusion Sep 10 14:49:28 yeah Sep 10 14:49:32 me: man you are so stressing and don't understand what i say.... i don't know if the code i'm talking about it's what you need. beside i don't have the wiki page in the cache. you gotta find it yourself since i have no time to search it for you Sep 10 14:49:43 it's simple... well, after you've played and beaten it 5000 times :D Sep 10 14:49:47 yet, we still do! :D Sep 10 14:50:02 dude, the wrapping mode is crazy Sep 10 14:50:05 yeah Sep 10 14:50:21 I have trouble playing wrapping at more than 7x7, but's it's still fun Sep 10 14:50:27 yeah! Sep 10 14:50:51 I really like the Sudoku app that's included with 2008.8 Sep 10 14:50:58 So hmm, maybe we have some good ideas for Net 2.0 afterall :P Sep 10 14:51:03 it's probably the best Sudoku app I've ever used Sep 10 14:51:05 heh, sudoku :P Sep 10 14:51:17 wow, that's uhh, interesting :) Sep 10 14:51:23 yet another mindless time waster :P Sep 10 14:51:34 I can't determine whether that's good or sad Sep 10 14:51:37 heh Sep 10 14:51:37 lol Sep 10 14:51:54 the fact it's amazing, or that it came on... your freerunner :P Sep 10 14:52:02 anyone here running some open project on a1200? Sep 10 14:52:07 hahaha, oh god Sep 10 14:52:19 I was just picturing, playing DOOM with the accelerometers during a class Sep 10 14:52:24 hehe Sep 10 14:52:26 I think THAT might be a little bit noticible Sep 10 14:52:28 :p Sep 10 14:52:39 you're like swinging around and chainsawing the person in front of you Sep 10 14:52:43 lol Sep 10 14:52:48 :\ Sep 10 14:52:55 We require more covert means! Sep 10 14:53:07 my only concern was the inability to switch weapons, but the concept was great :) Sep 10 14:53:32 :D Sep 10 14:53:35 hell yeah Sep 10 14:53:42 I could just picture using accels to walk up to hookers in Duke3d and handing them the cash :P Sep 10 14:53:47 nuclear_eclipse: why to change away from chainsaw? Sep 10 14:53:57 :) Sep 10 14:54:08 Wolf3d! Sep 10 14:54:25 GUTENTAG! Sep 10 14:54:38 why the angstrom images for a1200 arent available anymore(if someone has any idea) Sep 10 14:54:43 haha, wow, somehow... that game seems infinitely appropriate here... >:) Sep 10 14:54:57 Wolf3D <3 Sep 10 14:54:59 (since we seem to be surrounded by crazy software nazis) Sep 10 14:55:02 Tmt :D Sep 10 14:55:24 Dave: erp, "nazi" hilights me Sep 10 14:55:33 now we just need to port Crysis to ARM, and we'll be set! Sep 10 14:56:10 Tmt, ROFL Sep 10 14:56:19 nuclear_eclipse, hahah Sep 10 14:56:22 :P Sep 10 14:56:34 I still think the freerunner needs a lightgun attachment Sep 10 14:56:38 however lame it would be :P Sep 10 14:56:38 agreed Sep 10 14:56:47 the gun'll be bigger than the screen! Sep 10 14:56:48 the screen is TINY Sep 10 14:56:51 yeah Sep 10 14:56:53 but still :P Sep 10 14:57:02 hahaha Sep 10 14:57:23 picture your friend pointing a giant gun at a tiny handheld screen... :D Sep 10 14:57:27 Dear Sean, please make available a VGA port for the GTA04. Thank you, your friends in the community. Sep 10 14:57:50 Dave, what do you need that for?! Sep 10 14:58:01 hook your gta04 up to a projector, and with usb lightgun, you could play EVERYTHING on the wall! Sep 10 14:58:05 like duckhunt? :P Sep 10 14:58:09 nice :) Sep 10 14:58:18 maybe even doom or something? :| Sep 10 14:58:30 GTA04 will display HD, so we need an hdmi port Sep 10 14:58:37 gromez, ;0 Sep 10 14:58:44 rofl Sep 10 14:58:45 * nuclear_eclipse would love an NES emulator on the Neo, with a USB NES controller :D Sep 10 14:58:49 ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH Sep 10 14:58:52 that alone would probably use up all it's power Sep 10 14:58:57 Dave, don't you think you need processing power first? Sep 10 14:59:06 nuclear_eclipse: it does "run" snes9x Sep 10 14:59:11 nuclear_eclipse, i think it's possible Sep 10 14:59:13 though it tends to fuck up your display Sep 10 14:59:13 yeah. Sep 10 14:59:17 :) Sep 10 14:59:21 and doesn't run well Sep 10 14:59:25 forget SNES, the original NES is where it's at! Sep 10 14:59:28 that and there's a lack of input Sep 10 14:59:49 man, want to be able to play you motherfuckers in mortal kombat via wifi :P Sep 10 15:00:04 What's next, Neo Live? XD Sep 10 15:09:54 hi Sep 10 15:11:31 are there any known issues with dfu-util on intrepid? i cant find my moko via usb Sep 10 15:12:29 ronny, do you have any other devices running on usb? If I have my bluetooth/wifi switch on, dfu-util won't find my openmoko Sep 10 15:13:32 break-free: my wifi-switch is off Sep 10 15:13:42 Dave: The open pandora..? Sep 10 15:13:55 ah, now it works Sep 10 15:17:18 DAVE just download 100mems Tribes Sep 10 15:17:34 135 megs Sep 10 15:18:54 so i put yesterdays openmoko image on an it made it all night in suspend an than recieved a call this morning Sep 10 15:19:12 raster: ping Sep 10 15:19:39 ja Sep 10 15:19:46 how is the new image? Sep 10 15:19:46 * raster awakes Sep 10 15:20:09 so now its time to dfu Sep 10 15:20:23 you speak german? Sep 10 15:20:40 http://www.golem.de/0809/62323.html this would be a nice feature for illume keyboard Sep 10 15:21:04 fso3? Sep 10 15:21:10 ich kann Sep 10 15:21:13 toggles_w: what is with it Sep 10 15:21:41 that makes life hard Sep 10 15:21:57 i thought it was coming out 1/2hr ago? Sep 10 15:22:00 as swipes are already used for things liek "space/next word, change layout, enter" etc. Sep 10 15:22:20 ah Sep 10 15:23:01 also on the FR swipes are not that reliable Sep 10 15:23:06 I can't ssh in thourh wifi on 2008.8, anybody has a sollution? Sep 10 15:23:14 you need to keep a lot of pressure on the screen to keep it as 1 drag Sep 10 15:23:18 and not have a "release" Sep 10 15:23:22 should I ditch Qtopia for the new FR image? Sep 10 15:23:23 on the ML somebody said "etc/defaults dropbear is configured to accept connections only from theIP address configured on usb0. I commented this line and put *:22." Sep 10 15:23:28 its a real pain in the arse Sep 10 15:23:40 basically when u drag Sep 10 15:23:43 if you dont press hard Sep 10 15:23:54 50.5 megs Sep 10 15:24:00 instead of (for a horizontal drag) of getting thise: Sep 10 15:24:05 ----------------------- Sep 10 15:24:06 but my /etc/default/dtropbear only has : "DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }'`:22 Sep 10 15:24:07 you get Sep 10 15:24:16 raster: slaxxinIs the new image worth moving to from Qtopia? Sep 10 15:24:16 ---- ---------- - ---------- - ------- Sep 10 15:24:31 that sucks Sep 10 15:24:38 i liked that concept Sep 10 15:24:39 just now installing Sep 10 15:25:25 bumbl: concept isnt bad Sep 10 15:25:29 but it doesnt help much Sep 10 15:25:31 really Sep 10 15:25:35 just pressing each key Sep 10 15:25:38 tap tap tap tap Sep 10 15:25:42 works just as nicely Sep 10 15:25:49 and it leaves swipes for other things Sep 10 15:25:57 where you dont need to be as accurate or reliable Sep 10 15:25:58 :) Sep 10 15:26:03 well... the advantage of Swype (as I see it), is that you have some prediction Sep 10 15:26:10 you don't have to be really accurate Sep 10 15:26:19 you have prediction with taps Sep 10 15:26:26 and u dont have to be accurate Sep 10 15:27:57 the final problem of Swype is that it is probably commercial => non-free (beer and speech) Sep 10 15:27:58 ... Sep 10 15:28:09 even copying the idea is probably copyrighted Sep 10 15:28:15 nah Sep 10 15:28:18 copying ideas is fine Sep 10 15:28:18 nah ? Sep 10 15:28:23 unless itsa PATENTED Sep 10 15:28:38 well.. ideas maybe, but the implementation.. Sep 10 15:28:52 * zash cries Sep 10 15:28:55 fucking microsoft Sep 10 15:29:03 pymsnt can't connect Sep 10 15:29:05 again Sep 10 15:29:24 don't use MSN... Sep 10 15:29:48 what is right now the most stable and usuble image for the freerunner? Sep 10 15:29:57 btw, will there ever be better booting times? Sep 10 15:30:43 im puttinf on fso mIII Sep 10 15:30:44 ronny: It's been discussed, but I think everyone agrees that it would be best if the device could actually do phone calls and SMSs reliably before it gets tuned!@ Sep 10 15:31:02 slaxxin: where is it??? Sep 10 15:31:05 Pjj: for "me" OM2008.08 Sep 10 15:31:10 Pjj: but there are plenty Sep 10 15:31:19 Pjj: there is no stable and usable image for the freerunner; they killed the 2007.2 image. Sep 10 15:31:20 Pjj: if you need to "just phone" => Qtopia Sep 10 15:31:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework Sep 10 15:31:58 [17:31] mwester | ronny: It's been discussed, but I think everyone agrees that it would be best if the device could actually do phone calls and SMSs reliably before it gets tuned!@ Sep 10 15:32:06 slaxxin: you have to build it? no prebuilt image? Sep 10 15:32:25 I have 2007.2 atm but how usable is 2008.8 OdyX Sep 10 15:32:34 i had yesterdays 2008.8 and it is the only os that has made it through the night(except fso Sep 10 15:32:56 0 an able to recieve a call the next morning Sep 10 15:32:59 how is it compared to QTopia Sep 10 15:33:03 Pjj: just try and _don't use the FR as primary phone_ Sep 10 15:33:06 worth the switch? Sep 10 15:33:40 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ Sep 10 15:33:44 sorry Sep 10 15:33:54 slaxxin: thanks m8 Sep 10 15:34:08 1st link was incorrect for image Sep 10 15:34:14 oh, milestone 3? Sep 10 15:34:27 slaxxin: sweet u rock! Sep 10 15:34:36 bytes_per_hash=1059061 Sep 10 15:34:44 OdyX: i use xmpp, but "everyone else is using msn" Sep 10 15:35:02 zash: then uses gateways Sep 10 15:35:26 OdyX: pymsnt is a gateway Sep 10 15:35:36 true ;===) Sep 10 15:35:39 OdyX: and ms has done something so it cant connect Sep 10 15:35:40 HI, i'm tring to boot gentoo on FR, but it says "Warning: unable to open an initial console. Sep 10 15:35:41 Failed to excute /etc/startup. Attempting defaults... Using lowest clock rate", did i miss something? Sep 10 15:35:42 OdyX: again Sep 10 15:35:53 OdyX, I don't want to use proprietary software, so I can only use my FR as my primary phone Sep 10 15:36:00 then... go bomb MS HQ ... Sep 10 15:36:13 Pjj: proprietary phone is better than "no phone" Sep 10 15:36:14 ... Sep 10 15:36:58 OdyX: that's debatable. Sep 10 15:37:10 I know :) Sep 10 15:37:17 torikun its booting now an dont blame microsoft for wanting to make 4 trillion dollars off of unix Sep 10 15:37:26 OdyX: then don't make fun of people who debate it. Sep 10 15:37:39 but Real-Life issues and connections with friends _could_ be of more importance than freeness of the phone Sep 10 15:37:45 cjb: I don't make fun Sep 10 15:38:02 so buy a razer then Sep 10 15:38:14 cjb: I am a FLOSS militant too... But I need to be able to phone... Sep 10 15:38:14 hey, I had no cell phone for most of the last two years until my FR. They aren't that important. Sep 10 15:38:28 that is correct Sep 10 15:38:32 cjb: i couldnt get by any more without a working phone Sep 10 15:38:32 can be correct. Sep 10 15:38:38 * mwester notes that pragmatists tend to be reviled by the zealots, but also tend to win out in the long run. Sep 10 15:39:07 mwester: isn't Windows "pragmatic"? Why aren't we all running it? Sep 10 15:39:20 cjb: now we have a "reasonable" alternative Sep 10 15:39:29 it has not always been the case Sep 10 15:39:34 windows XP was caused by linux;)) Sep 10 15:39:35 then I guess the zealots won. Sep 10 15:39:56 nananana... the ones that made GNU/Linux useable for my granma won... Sep 10 15:39:57 since the alternative certainly wasn't created by people who were happy with the status quo and pragmatic and just hanging out. Sep 10 15:40:04 Pragmatic is using what's best for each person. My customers tell me what they want to use; I use that -- then they pay me. And that way I have money to spend on toys, like the freerunner and my other Linux toys. Sep 10 15:40:17 * OdyX agrees. Sep 10 15:40:54 cjb: using a non-free phone doesn't prevent me to help the openmoko community Sep 10 15:41:00 Okay, so you live to optimize for buying yourself toys. Maybe that's why you're falling out with the zealots. :) Sep 10 15:41:04 booting fso III Sep 10 15:41:20 cjb: of course. It's all about enlightened self-interest. Sep 10 15:41:28 OdyX: yeah? I don't really see how, but okay, I wasn't trying to tell you what to do. Sep 10 15:41:40 OdyX, I don't agree :) Sep 10 15:41:59 cjb: I oppose "being fanatic and try to only use my FR even if not really useable" and "use another phone for real-life and try to make my FR as useable as my actual" Sep 10 15:42:29 its a dev product dont u get it? Sep 10 15:42:52 its in the first line when u buy Sep 10 15:42:54 I have real-life responsabilities that assume that I am connectable by mobile phone Sep 10 15:42:55 OdyX: right, I don't think many people would argue that you're being a bad person by doing that. I think you've inferred that I think you should only have a FR from me only having a FR, which assumes I'm willing to tell you how to live. Sep 10 15:43:08 buy a nokia then Sep 10 15:43:10 s/would argue/would think/ Sep 10 15:43:10 cjb meant: OdyX: right, I don't think many people would think that you're being a bad person by doing that. I think you've inferred that I think you should only have a FR from me only having a FR, which assumes I'm willing to tell you how to live. Sep 10 15:43:59 now we have a black/white pong Sep 10 15:44:01 and I'm not doing that. I'm a pragmatist in that I recognize that I'm able to only use free software, and some other people are not only able to use free software, and it's not really appropriate for me to criticize them for that. Sep 10 15:44:08 anyway... the word is "tolerance" ;) I can understand the zealots but I wait from them that they at least try to understand my POV. Sep 10 15:44:21 sure. I didn't hear anyone disparage your POV :) Sep 10 15:44:27 fine then ! Sep 10 15:44:29 ;)= Sep 10 15:45:07 note that I always refused to use acrobat flash and I patiently waited for gnash and swfdec to see the dumb youtube ;) Sep 10 15:45:18 I can be zealot in other domains too Sep 10 15:45:25 anyone knows how to play that fscking physics game thats in fso ? Sep 10 15:45:44 ronny: bring up the keyboard, use space to start it Sep 10 15:45:48 after you draw Sep 10 15:46:38 cjb: and how does one undo ? Sep 10 15:46:43 oO Sep 10 15:46:49 OdyX: right. so, I don't own or drive a car, because I think fewer people should drive cars, but at the same time I'm pretty aware that not needing a car is a luxury. many people do have to travel far for work or have to have one for young children and so on. Sep 10 15:46:53 ronny: 'r' or 'u' or something. Sep 10 15:47:12 is it normal that the moko powers off on regular basis if the akku is low? Sep 10 15:47:19 6 icons on zhone Sep 10 15:47:19 cjb: respecteable. Sep 10 15:47:27 (i got it on my laptop for usb charging Sep 10 15:47:39 ronny: yes, if its really low Sep 10 15:47:50 now theres a utilites icon Sep 10 15:47:59 ronny: but after some minutes it should stay up Sep 10 15:48:29 how long does a full recharge need again? Sep 10 15:49:15 a few hours I'd say, never measured Sep 10 15:49:35 depends on what you use... Sep 10 15:49:44 without anything powered... it should last 8-10 hours Sep 10 15:49:52 calander button does nothing but the other buttons that previosly didnt work now have functions Sep 10 15:49:53 with the GPS, no more than 2.5 hours Sep 10 15:50:07 OdyX: he's talking about charging, not DIScharging :) Sep 10 15:50:15 OdyX: !?! I get a lot more than 2.5 hours on my gta01 with gps on Sep 10 15:50:19 right right right Sep 10 15:50:38 cca 5~7 hours with gps here Sep 10 15:50:48 wurp2|working: well... dunno... the last time I tried, I had nothing more... but maybe bluetooth &or WiFi were on. Sep 10 15:50:55 Yeah, I get about 4 hours w/ gps on Sep 10 15:51:12 tichy gives a application error Sep 10 15:51:25 OdyX: There might have been a cpu issue, too. Having the bus or cpu maxed will make a big difference on power consumption Sep 10 15:51:42 reboot Sep 10 15:51:43 OdyX: And, of course, the biggest offendor - backlight Sep 10 15:51:52 right Sep 10 15:53:08 slaxxin ;p Sep 10 15:53:11 rasterman! Sep 10 15:54:17 haha ronny Sep 10 15:55:26 oh man, texas is about to get dumped on. Sep 10 15:55:35 The band?? Sep 10 15:56:17 2 .5 minuits to desktop Sep 10 15:57:10 utilites menu has a default an silent choice Sep 10 16:01:52 silent setting didnt cgange the ring/vibrate setting Sep 10 16:03:35 maybe we can just order motherboards when the newer motherboards come out just for being testers Sep 10 16:03:53 beagle woof? Sep 10 16:07:11 openmoko: 03trevi55 * ra7fcab8f3b1f 10/src/libraries/qtopiapim/qphonenumber.cpp: [phonenumber] Wrong matching of itialian phone numbers Sep 10 16:07:41 haha Sep 10 16:07:45 damn italians :p Sep 10 16:07:51 hear that, cga? :P Sep 10 16:08:07 cga: are you there? Sep 10 16:08:16 oh great Sep 10 16:08:30 Dave: what? Sep 10 16:08:43 Nevermind :) Sep 10 16:09:54 Dave: have you tried my gnuboy compiled exe? Sep 10 16:10:03 huh? Sep 10 16:10:06 doubtful Sep 10 16:14:52 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r268f65984500 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, Erin's, Charlie's and a user patch Sep 10 16:16:07 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd1169085252f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [python-etk] Bump up the revision of python-etk to 8d36de2726003ad0356056fcf3ede5f2d3f4fca7 Sep 10 16:16:07 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r38a1a6c5acae 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] (#1716) Add RDEPENDS to edje-utils Sep 10 16:16:08 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r76c7473b2713 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, Erin's, Charlie's and a user patch Sep 10 16:16:29 Dave: you can download it from here http://www.thomasbertani.it/openmoko/gnuboy-1.0.3.tar.gz Sep 10 16:17:10 the power button shows charge by lighting up Sep 10 16:19:51 Dave: do you tried it? Sep 10 16:21:30 fso3 does not have nice splash ;.; Sep 10 16:23:13 who wants a splash if it actually *works*? Sep 10 16:24:42 Splash screens are like paint on a house -- it's not something you should do until the house is actually built. Sep 10 16:25:19 fso3 is out?? Sep 10 16:25:50 mwester: yeah, but when you build a house, you know (or you should know) that at the end, you'll paint it from the top to the bottom Sep 10 16:25:59 infrastructure for the splash has to be ready.. Sep 10 16:26:22 m3, no, I haven't tried it. What is it? Sep 10 16:26:41 cga, sssh, it's a secret! Sep 10 16:27:08 ohps sorry XD Sep 10 16:30:55 hey, could there be anything besides the MicroSD slot preventing the GPS antenna from getting a good fix? There's no SD card in the slot, I have the most recent kernel, and still I've been running openmoko-agpsui for 32 minutes straight without a fix =\ Sep 10 16:31:14 YAMI! Sep 10 16:31:35 Yami, have you been running it outside? Sep 10 16:31:39 are you running fso? Sep 10 16:31:44 is your antenna broken? Sep 10 16:31:48 :) Sep 10 16:31:58 yamitenshi: yes there are some further bugs Sep 10 16:32:13 antenna works fine, I think, since it does get a fix, and after the first fix it works perfectly Sep 10 16:32:29 oh good Sep 10 16:32:32 then why complain? Sep 10 16:32:34 just how slow it is? Sep 10 16:32:57 over 30 minutes, every time Sep 10 16:33:03 inside or outside Sep 10 16:33:13 I'm running OM 2008.8 with the newest kernel Sep 10 16:33:25 30 mins to do what? Sep 10 16:33:53 yamitenshi: do you get the time (UTC field) or see anything in any of the other tabs, e.g. the individual satellite signal strengths? Sep 10 16:34:03 matt1: to get a first fix Sep 10 16:34:16 what's a first fix? :) Sep 10 16:34:42 how much "outside"? getting a fix for me is hard if i just stand outside my front door with buildings covering most of the sky. if i stand in the middle of the park it takes seconds Sep 10 16:34:48 the first time the gps gives you coordinates after you start it up Sep 10 16:35:13 aha. it took a fair while for me too. Sep 10 16:35:31 Well, he means *every time* he turns it on, it takes 30 min Sep 10 16:35:34 Weiss: somewhat in front of my school, on the middle of an open space, with the closest interference at >5 metres away Sep 10 16:35:50 it finds no sattelites at all until about 40 to 50 minutes after I start Sep 10 16:36:02 yamitenshi: you're on earth? Sep 10 16:36:07 LOL Sep 10 16:36:22 i could really do with a fix rightaboutnow Sep 10 16:36:28 It should be storing calendar & ephemeris after it gets a fix, then it shoul be superfast (if it's within 30 minutes after last fix) or fast (if it's within some weeks of last fix) iirc Sep 10 16:36:44 couple of weeks IIRC Sep 10 16:36:54 wurp2|working: afaik OM doesn't do that yet though? the u-blox chip doesn't do it at all without software support Sep 10 16:36:54 ShellEvil: I'm pretty sure I am, unless Telfort Internet provides connections on Mars too :P Sep 10 16:36:56 at least if your location doesn't change significantly Sep 10 16:37:15 Weiss: I saw someone talking about coding for that recently Sep 10 16:37:27 Weiss: I don't really follow it, since I have a gta01 Sep 10 16:37:29 wurp2|working: well, IIRC the chip has no flash memory, so it needs to start all over again once you turn it off and on again Sep 10 16:37:43 wurp2|working: yeah, i saw that as well - just a PoC at the moment IIRC.. i'll be following it with interest :) Sep 10 16:37:44 ah, nvm that xD Sep 10 16:37:49 yamitenshi: uynless the software re-uploads the ephemirihgghgienfbgiugjhgbng. Sep 10 16:37:57 * ShellEvil can't spell that word. Sep 10 16:38:06 lol :') Sep 10 16:38:53 ShellEvil: I'm supposed to have a script for that, but I still need to supply it with the approximate position of my home, which is pretty much impossible for me without a fix :') Sep 10 16:39:05 yamitenshi: google maps Sep 10 16:39:26 * wurp2|working can't either, apparently. It's ephemeris. Sep 10 16:39:53 yamitenshi: i recommend going to the most open space you can find (maximum possible amount of sky visible, nothing around that could possibly reflect) (a park i walk through on my way to work is very good - some hundreds of metres square), sit down and put the FR on the ground and don't disturb it for at least 20 mins. i'd definitely expect it to work with that... Sep 10 16:40:20 yamitenshi: also, i've had some problems with Settings saying GPS is on when actually it's not, or spontaneously going off etc - try switching it off and on a few times Sep 10 16:40:39 yamitenshi: also try other programs e.g. TangoGPS (which can also tell you the number of satellites visible) Sep 10 16:41:10 Weiss: yeah, I've tried with openmoko-agpsui, the locations program that comes with 2008.8, and tangoGPS Sep 10 16:41:15 will there be any of those milestone 3 image for a780 also? Sep 10 16:41:17 that's all based on my own experience. getting a first fix with interference is really a very hard thing to do.. Sep 10 16:41:58 the first tells me it gets a fix after about 45 mins, the second just complains about not being able to get a fix at all, and tangogps really says nothing I can make anything of Sep 10 16:43:13 anyone know how to change the ringer in ASU? It's obnoxious Sep 10 16:43:59 break-free: IIRC you can use a terminal to change the pulse audio settings, not sure though Sep 10 16:44:43 * cga can't wait to try fso m3 \0/ Sep 10 16:45:17 break-free: poking suggests looking in /opt/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones/ - i think the audio system (software wise) is a lot different to 2007.2, which most of the tutorials seem to be written for Sep 10 16:45:28 cga: it looks quite good Sep 10 16:45:36 tichy crashes on startup though Sep 10 16:46:02 break-free: there is probably a proper way to do it though... Sep 10 16:48:35 yea im getting errors with fso mIII Sep 10 16:48:46 Just flashed to the latest 20080910 Sep 10 16:48:55 MIII Sep 10 16:48:57 ? Sep 10 16:49:05 Weiss, thanks. Sep 10 16:49:41 zhone crashed to Sep 10 16:49:48 rebooting Sep 10 16:50:15 torikun is that fsoIII Sep 10 16:50:39 ASU Sep 10 16:50:56 the one from yesterday seemed to work Sep 10 16:50:59 bumbl: good to know Sep 10 16:51:09 bumbl: you trying right now? Sep 10 16:51:22 trying it* Sep 10 16:51:34 i am Sep 10 16:51:56 do really sms and calls work??? Sep 10 16:52:05 that's what it could make me switch Sep 10 16:52:35 calls do Sep 10 16:52:46 but i dont know on sms Sep 10 16:52:52 c'mon text someone!! :P Sep 10 16:53:12 text me Sep 10 16:53:23 =) Sep 10 16:53:38 so you can try both incoming and outgoing Sep 10 16:53:53 I wanna text someone Sep 10 16:53:55 !!! Sep 10 16:54:20 Torikun: if you were in italy i would have gladly exchanged some test text Sep 10 16:54:45 oh man, dam ocean =( Sep 10 16:55:11 WHERE IS PANGEA! Sep 10 16:55:52 yes Sep 10 16:56:17 bumbl: yes what? Sep 10 16:56:22 it works Sep 10 16:56:27 sms and calls? Sep 10 16:56:33 woooohhooooooooo!!! Sep 10 16:56:35 I haven't tested the phoning facilities yet Sep 10 16:56:47 going to install as soon as it get uploaded Sep 10 16:56:48 * OdyX is flashing fso-ms3 Sep 10 16:56:49 viq: thanks for the reply. had to leave for a while, so didn't see it until now. you answered my question some 5 hours ago, which you probably already forgot. ;) Sep 10 16:56:50 but they work on my fso unstable Sep 10 16:57:00 since when didn't sms'ing work across the ocean ... ? Sep 10 16:57:05 which is near the ms3 Sep 10 16:57:20 cga: it has already been uploaded Sep 10 16:57:27 oh nice Sep 10 16:57:44 * cga refrehsed the page Sep 10 16:58:03 it should be there since yesterda Sep 10 16:58:03 it is there emo!!! it is there!!! (cit. Elephants Dream) Sep 10 16:58:04 y Sep 10 16:58:43 ah no Sep 10 16:58:54 for gta02 since ~11:00 Sep 10 16:59:26 bumbl: mmmm the jff2 is not there Sep 10 16:59:39 gta02 at least Sep 10 16:59:47 is it summary ok? Sep 10 17:00:35 OdyX: how is it going so far ? Sep 10 17:00:44 is it only for gta? Sep 10 17:00:53 calander doesn't work Sep 10 17:00:56 how long does it take to flash ? Sep 10 17:01:01 slaxxin: ms3 ? Sep 10 17:01:29 oh yeah, fso 3 Sep 10 17:02:17 bumbl: is *.jffs2.summary the rootfs? should i wait for *.jffs2? Sep 10 17:03:10 yup Sep 10 17:03:39 looks like theses a shutdown option in zhone Sep 10 17:03:52 its small Sep 10 17:04:03 cga: file -sL *jffs2.summary Sep 10 17:04:06 cga: AFAIK .summary has always been the image for the rootfs Sep 10 17:04:21 50 megs Sep 10 17:04:59 havent recieved a sms yet Sep 10 17:05:14 lindi-: OdyX: ok thanks. Sep 10 17:05:48 when clicking on the buttom right side of the screen in duke 3d it always crashes Sep 10 17:05:55 somebody else had this problem? Sep 10 17:08:44 Is there a way to reset Neo FreeRunner without removing battery? Sep 10 17:08:54 sirex`: no Sep 10 17:09:07 reset ? Sep 10 17:09:12 Restart... Sep 10 17:09:25 the power button doesn't do that ? Sep 10 17:09:41 can't you ssh and reboot ? Sep 10 17:09:45 I ofteng getting kernel panic, and any thing, except removing battery, didn'd work. Sep 10 17:09:57 oh Sep 10 17:09:58 no clue Sep 10 17:10:12 well i think you can only do it with removing the bat Sep 10 17:10:40 Ok, at least, now I will know, that there is no other way to do it.. :) Sep 10 17:10:43 since i think the kernel is in charge of everything (that's for instance why you can't charge when the phone is off) Sep 10 17:10:53 * OdyX boots FSO-MS3 Sep 10 17:10:59 :D Sep 10 17:11:02 It's a trap! Sep 10 17:11:04 sirex`, hey, i didn't say there isn't ! :) i just think there probably isn't. Sep 10 17:11:11 OdyX, tell use what you think man. Sep 10 17:11:12 ;0 Sep 10 17:11:43 well. The screen is fantastic Its DPI's are just amazing ! Sep 10 17:11:45 ;) Sep 10 17:12:59 The "loading animation" should have changed but is still smooth Sep 10 17:13:01 Is there are plans, to make kron work? Because alarm application, simply didn't work when device is in suspend mode. Sep 10 17:13:16 cron* Sep 10 17:13:31 how do i get opgk to work? i can't seem to find the wiki page Sep 10 17:13:50 yay... 6 buttons in the main screen and status messages ! Sep 10 17:14:10 OdyX, what's there? Sep 10 17:14:12 tangogps and numptyphysics included ! Sep 10 17:14:17 cool! Sep 10 17:14:29 can you opkg for anything you want? Sep 10 17:14:38 There is hpone, contacts (SIM), SMS, calendar, GPS, config Sep 10 17:15:03 woo Sep 10 17:15:36 argh, tangogps crashes regularly while downloading ~4000 tiles... Sep 10 17:15:44 bitches. Sep 10 17:15:55 Om2008 blows goats. bbq Sep 10 17:15:56 + Dave Sep 10 17:16:05 tangogps always crashes on me when I try to create a POI Sep 10 17:16:22 Is that just because I'm running an old version, or does the latest do that, too? Sep 10 17:18:12 and once again it crashed. gotta start from terminal... Sep 10 17:19:58 after an upgrade, only 5 icons left Sep 10 17:20:00 ;) Sep 10 17:21:39 do you find it the most usable distro? Sep 10 17:22:05 probably latest official Sep 10 17:22:16 yay tango works Sep 10 17:22:21 let's review it's features for a sec, it has contacts, phone log, sms and a browser? Sep 10 17:22:33 sure Sep 10 17:22:48 Mononoke, im talking about ms3... Sep 10 17:23:27 ah hmm.. Sep 10 17:23:39 I don't see phone log there Sep 10 17:24:51 * Tanuva thinks about trying to install debian testing instead of unstable/experimental... Sep 10 17:27:06 hi all Sep 10 17:27:13 ls Sep 10 17:27:21 root@om-gta02:~# ping -c 4 www.slackware.com Sep 10 17:27:21 PING www.slackware.com (64.57.102.34): 56 data bytes Sep 10 17:27:21 64 bytes from 64.57.102.34: seq=0 ttl=51 time=99.169 ms Sep 10 17:27:24 woops... taught I was in console ;) Sep 10 17:28:59 mmmmmm is the alt parameter for uImage -a kernel on dfu-util???? it gives me an error Sep 10 17:29:16 No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" Sep 10 17:29:32 cga: retry, I had that once, too Sep 10 17:29:56 hmm... tangogps quits with a segfault... Sep 10 17:30:02 ok Tanuva thanks =) Sep 10 17:30:09 ...and navit has errors uncompressing its binary maps Sep 10 17:30:27 yep it works Sep 10 17:30:48 same with rootfs, it occurs once in a time :) Sep 10 17:31:18 * cga flashing FSO ms3 on his Neo =) Sep 10 17:31:25 cga, aaa Sep 10 17:31:35 review it when it's done ;0 Sep 10 17:31:37 * Tanuva thinks about returning to fsom3, too Sep 10 17:31:38 ok Sep 10 17:31:53 is there mpd in the ipkg repos? Sep 10 17:37:08 Does booting from SDHC work with recent u-boot versions? Sep 10 17:37:22 yes Sep 10 17:38:53 yes Sep 10 17:38:55 well sms i couldnt make work on fso MIII Sep 10 17:39:04 but when the kernel suspends Sep 10 17:39:10 coz i get a bad checksum error Sep 10 17:39:14 it might earase the partition table Sep 10 17:39:23 i checked md5sums the kernel is a good copy Sep 10 17:39:53 i also got the most recent u-boot Sep 10 17:40:07 what sd card? Sep 10 17:40:11 as long as the 1 u get is a good copy everything is good Sep 10 17:40:12 slaxxin: sms already works on m2 for me, except notification on new ones Sep 10 17:40:35 maybe its just operator malfunction Sep 10 17:40:54 i have not used sms at all Sep 10 17:41:23 but a friend tried to message me an i have not recieved it Sep 10 17:41:33 TAsn: sandisk 4gb Sep 10 17:41:58 PhaiQua7, have you checked the wiki page if you can boot off that one? Sep 10 17:42:36 I can, I already booted debian off it Sep 10 17:43:03 ok so you already know the answer to: Does booting from SDHC work with recent u-boot versions? Sep 10 17:43:32 the image I want to boot is Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uimage.bin Sep 10 17:43:53 I dont know wether it works with standard .uimage.bin Sep 10 17:44:05 debian does something strange apparently Sep 10 17:44:10 when is milestone 3 gonna be released ?? Sep 10 17:44:40 it is, just not announced yet Sep 10 17:45:08 sicu: where can i get it from ? Sep 10 17:46:01 in downloads.openmoko.org with all the rest of them Sep 10 17:46:09 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ Sep 10 17:46:28 sicu: thanks Sep 10 17:46:46 lloyd_fedora: np Sep 10 17:46:56 hmm... isnt there something as tangogps with simpler map download? :/ Sep 10 17:48:50 I tried a different image, gives me "wrong image format for bootm command" what does that mean? Sep 10 17:49:29 state sections would be nice Sep 10 17:50:04 things are looking better Sep 10 17:50:17 good job people Sep 10 17:52:56 TAsn: got any idea what "wrong image format for bootm command" means? Sep 10 17:53:13 and how to get around it? Sep 10 17:54:06 PhaiQua7, actually, im only getting mine on the day after tomorrow ;) Sep 10 17:54:11 so, nope, no idea. Sep 10 17:54:22 all the tips i can give you are from what i read in the wiki. Sep 10 17:54:30 if it's not there, i don't know it. Sep 10 17:54:38 ok, have fun Sep 10 17:55:02 hallo wo kann man die lotto zahlen sehen??? Sep 10 17:55:24 delfin_: guck ausm fenster Sep 10 17:56:19 man bist du witzig Sep 10 17:56:53 delfin_: aber du, he? Sep 10 17:56:57 weiss das jetzt jemand oder ncuiht Sep 10 17:57:07 jaja ich immer Sep 10 17:57:10 was soll denn die frage hier? ;) Sep 10 17:57:38 egal Sep 10 17:57:44 stimmt. Sep 10 18:00:56 fso is quite good in not eating cpu Sep 10 18:01:06 maybe because of not using pulseaudio Sep 10 18:06:26 Hi, I have a full linux desktop on my Neo, how to restore to normal operation? (All I did is installing illume keyboard according to Wiki) Sep 10 18:10:18 * Tanuva watches fsom3 booting Sep 10 18:10:36 oh. it actually just finished. Sep 10 18:11:03 *g* Sep 10 18:11:19 1. click tichy 2. watch the "loading" screen 3. return to an enlightenment error message Sep 10 18:11:36 oh, it's released? Sep 10 18:11:57 not officially, but the images are there Sep 10 18:12:01 cool. Sep 10 18:13:34 cjb :) Sep 10 18:15:13 Tanuva: if you run tichy from console you can see that it misses some python stuff Sep 10 18:15:47 ImportError: No module named table << Sep 10 18:17:49 hah Sep 10 18:18:33 Mononoke: hmm... Sep 10 18:18:48 how do I start illume config program? Sep 10 18:19:16 sup Lion king? Sep 10 18:19:55 Dave: my Neo went mad and I have a complete enlightement desktop now :( with menu, virtual screen swither, etc :-p Sep 10 18:20:03 *g* Sep 10 18:20:14 isn't that a good thing? Sep 10 18:20:38 the yin yang at fso loading sucks big time Sep 10 18:20:44 hehe no, it does not really work. (and the menu is not really opening) Sep 10 18:20:45 very cheesy Sep 10 18:22:01 hehe if I start "settings" from the menu, the usual neo settings page comes up, in a window! Sep 10 18:24:44 1605 pts/0 S 0:59 enlightenment -profile illume Sep 10 18:29:53 mmm... I've been speculating, and I think the FR should have a cloaking field generator, so I can play minesweeper during class without getting bugged by annoying students and annoyed teachers :) Sep 10 18:30:25 yamitenshi: cloaking requires a lot of power, perhaps just a sep field? Sep 10 18:32:24 Yami :) Sep 10 18:32:39 Yami, add it to the wishlist Sep 10 18:32:48 but I think it's already on there :P Sep 10 18:33:03 * Tanuva wants a fso image that doesnt just pretend to be able to suspend... Sep 10 18:33:18 Dave: there is a teleporter on it :P Sep 10 18:33:26 Tanuva: tried ms3 yet? Sep 10 18:33:33 AntonTakk: so how about we build in a cold fusion reactor first? :) Sep 10 18:33:36 thats whats actually running Sep 10 18:33:37 :D Sep 10 18:34:10 yamitenshi: hrm, perhaps, might solve battery life issues in the process Sep 10 18:34:34 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mUi30MX6CeI Sep 10 18:35:40 opkg tells me "failed to download, error 0" - error 0 means success according to the wiki. but it works so fast, it CANT be successful... Sep 10 18:43:41 how do i compose text messages with fso? Sep 10 18:43:47 can't find the option Sep 10 18:44:53 pop up the keyboard Sep 10 18:44:59 upper left, "qwerty" Sep 10 18:45:09 k thanks Sep 10 18:45:23 ahno, you mean how to get to the new message dialogue, dont you? Sep 10 18:45:36 indeed Sep 10 18:45:57 open the messages panel, click bottom middle button :) Sep 10 18:46:16 haha cga Sep 10 18:46:22 watch out Sep 10 18:46:32 we'll send you text messages! Sep 10 18:46:46 and he wont be able to open them... Sep 10 18:46:53 gh Sep 10 18:46:57 that must be frustrating. Sep 10 18:47:48 :D Sep 10 18:47:49 * Tanuva would love to know why his opkg tells him about error 0 (success) but doesn't download indices... Sep 10 18:47:50 hahahahaha Sep 10 18:47:52 >:) Sep 10 18:48:02 Tanuva, FAILURE Sep 10 18:48:25 cga: can you ping hostnames from fsom3? ping only works with ips here Sep 10 18:48:40 Tanuva: make sure resolv.conf holds the correct values Sep 10 18:48:40 What Sep 10 18:48:40 gonna try Sep 10 18:48:44 Tanuva: add a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf Sep 10 18:48:47 Is everything broken in ms3? Sep 10 18:48:50 AntonTakk: I did Sep 10 18:49:00 Tanuva: restart networking? Sep 10 18:49:05 already rebooted Sep 10 18:49:07 yami, make sure the flux capacitor is set to max :P Sep 10 18:49:17 Tanuva: 0 meas something like "unable to find the server" Sep 10 18:49:19 Dave: no, not everything works 100%, but it is far from all broken Sep 10 18:49:30 :D Sep 10 18:49:33 Tanuva: nameserver still in resolv.conf? Sep 10 18:49:37 Doesn't sound like 2008.8 then :P Sep 10 18:49:45 AntonTakk: no, it's not. >.< Sep 10 18:49:49 Dave: not until I have the right matter/antimatter mix Sep 10 18:49:52 Tanuva: :) Sep 10 18:49:54 XD Sep 10 18:50:14 Tanuva: add this to the end of the usb0 stuff in /etc/network/interfaces: Sep 10 18:50:26 up echo nameserver 4.2.2.2 > /etc/resolv.conf Sep 10 18:50:27 AntonTakk: and I forgot to add "nameserver " in front of the ip in resolv.conf. dumb me... *g* Sep 10 18:50:35 man , i can't find the illume config thing Sep 10 18:50:46 AntonTakk: thatsa good idea, thanks :) Sep 10 18:50:49 i did config just 5 minutes ago Sep 10 18:50:57 but i can't find it anymore Sep 10 18:51:14 cga lost his marbles. Sep 10 18:51:19 gh Sep 10 18:51:49 ohps.... Sep 10 18:51:53 there it is Sep 10 18:52:19 * Dave throws freerunners at yamitenshi Sep 10 18:52:43 Dave, wtf are you doing?! Sep 10 18:52:44 * yamitenshi catches freerunners Sep 10 18:52:45 ;0 Sep 10 18:52:58 Dave: you were about to destroy precious technology :o Sep 10 18:53:12 yamitenshi would make many people happy by selling all-1 *g* Sep 10 18:55:11 anyone know who updates http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D Sep 10 18:55:34 the last few images are GTA-01. I'm hoping to get a refreshed GTA-02 daily build for FSO Sep 10 18:57:03 Dave: blunt force trauma ... throwing freerunners is a dangerous pastime Sep 10 19:01:15 so lets see if fso's tangogps can handle downloading 4000 tiles Sep 10 19:02:24 can anyone tell me the correct settings for CARCH, CHOST, CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS when cross-compiling for the FR? Sep 10 19:04:20 ecraven: should be automatically handled by the scripts deliverd with the toolchain Sep 10 19:05:01 What is the device for the built in "disk" on ASU? Sep 10 19:05:23 yamitenshi: i'm not using the toolchain ;) Sep 10 19:05:31 i'm trying to get arch linux to cross-compile itself Sep 10 19:05:55 viq: one of /dev/mtd? i think Sep 10 19:06:22 Thanks, let me see Sep 10 19:07:01 probably 2 or 3 Sep 10 19:08:16 ecraven: why not use the toolchain? I'd assume that makes things a lot easier =\ Sep 10 19:11:27 ecraven: sounds like a huge task. what do you do with packages that compile helper programs and then run those helper programs during build process? Sep 10 19:11:31 FSO ms3 is nice but not usable yet. going to remove it and get back to (sad i know) qtopia Sep 10 19:12:13 lindi-: no idea :) i'm just starting Sep 10 19:12:26 just wanted to see whether it works Sep 10 19:13:13 ecraven: hm, no, doesn't seem to do it Sep 10 19:13:38 ok night folks Sep 10 19:16:11 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3KsgWJKygLc Sep 10 19:19:07 hm.. looks like a *lot* of effort would be involved.. guess i'll wait for someone else to do it :) Sep 10 19:23:42 are there daily images of FSO? Sep 10 19:25:10 ecraven: http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ Sep 10 19:25:49 numptyphysics is great Sep 10 19:28:44 gromez: great, thanks! Sep 10 19:29:38 just tried FSO MS3, it works fine, faster than om2008.8 Sep 10 19:30:17 but I couldn't launch the text message tool through zhone Sep 10 19:30:30 icon is disabled Sep 10 19:31:49 ECRAVEN! Sep 10 19:32:12 sicu >:) Sep 10 19:32:17 hey dave Sep 10 19:32:26 yami, then why do they through iphones in blenders? Sep 10 19:32:27 ms3 is here? Sep 10 19:32:34 oh wait, perhaps they're not worth anything ;p Sep 10 19:32:35 yeah Sep 10 19:32:38 ecraven YES Sep 10 19:32:45 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ Sep 10 19:32:54 :] Dave ! Sep 10 19:33:23 are the bearstech images based on that? Sep 10 19:33:56 i want 2k7.2 back *cries* Sep 10 19:34:11 hi, excuse me guys, planet.openmoko.org is getting too much polyglot these days. Can't we have only messages in English there, please? For people that track several RSS feeds in a day, messages in an unknown language can be quite distracting. Sep 10 19:34:32 ao2, hehe i agree about that ;) Sep 10 19:35:37 TAsn, if you are already subscribed to any openmoko list, can you forward such request, please? Sep 10 19:36:02 ao2, im not. Sep 10 19:36:18 ao2: adding my agreement Sep 10 19:38:38 If at all, I don't see anything wrong to have language specific secondary planets, but the main one should really be English only. Ok, I'll forward the request. Sep 10 19:39:06 cool :) Sep 10 19:39:07 I have been told that sicu, yeah :'( Sep 10 19:39:28 I want it back too Sep 10 19:39:30 Dave, the move to qtopia sucks ;[ Sep 10 19:39:39 who the hell suggested you do that!? o_O Sep 10 19:39:45 i didn't Sep 10 19:39:47 :P Sep 10 19:39:47 im talking about asu Sep 10 19:39:49 :) Sep 10 19:39:54 assy software update? Sep 10 19:40:05 is there any way to stop opkg from requireing sig checks? they dont seem to exist on fso3 Sep 10 19:40:08 Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk//all/Packages.sig Sep 10 19:40:11 Signature check failed Sep 10 19:40:16 the /sig file is missing Sep 10 19:41:06 doesn't matter Sep 10 19:41:14 Dave, :) Sep 10 19:41:31 Dave, thank god moko is opensource so we actually can do something about moves like that ;) Sep 10 19:42:29 ah Sep 10 19:42:31 mount -t jffs2 -o ro /dev/mtdblock6 Sep 10 19:43:53 hello, i will normally have my freerunner tomorrow...but what accessories could i need? i already have a 4gb microsd and plan to buy: a kind of bag for attaching it to my belt,a stylus, a cable for the usb host function,an adapter for headphones...and the pouch and a handsfree headset are included(bearstech) Sep 10 19:44:17 doesn't it come with a bag and stylus? Sep 10 19:44:25 at bearstech yes Sep 10 19:44:30 oops Sep 10 19:44:41 it comes with a pouch Sep 10 19:44:44 but not a bag Sep 10 19:44:46 and no stillus Sep 10 19:44:55 but a stillus is easy to buy Sep 10 19:45:09 s/stillus/stylus/g Sep 10 19:45:09 Gnutoo meant: but a stylus is easy to buy Sep 10 19:45:38 i have a stylus/pen with a laser pointer and flashlight, that came with the neo Sep 10 19:46:56 what kind of headphone connector does the openmoko have? (what's the name for this kind of connector) Sep 10 19:47:03 2.5mm Sep 10 19:47:09 Gnutoo: AFAIK you might find a 2GB card "safer" Sep 10 19:47:26 CVirus, is it the normal one? Sep 10 19:47:29 bbq Sep 10 19:47:32 I heard that SDHC cards(4GB+) sometimes have issues Sep 10 19:47:36 Gnutoo: no .. smaller Sep 10 19:47:49 ok so I realy need an adapter...thanks Sep 10 19:47:58 the normal is 3.5mm? Sep 10 19:48:02 viq: i have a 4gb card, apart from losing my mbr on resuming, no issues at all Sep 10 19:48:19 all the micro sd cards i saw come with an adapter to normal size sd Sep 10 19:48:26 yes I heard of this bug...but is it for all images? Sep 10 19:48:47 ecraven: "oh, yeah, partition table gets wiped, no problem" :P Sep 10 19:49:16 lol Sep 10 19:49:53 viq: well, as far as i know that's a general problem, not connected to sdhc Sep 10 19:49:58 happens to all kinds of sd cards Sep 10 19:50:05 even on other devices, i heard Sep 10 19:50:36 There's a patch for that. It should be included in all recent kernels, I would think. Sep 10 19:52:22 ah ok...I am reading the Hardware page and I need a very specific adapter for the audio...mabe i will found it in a phone shop/departement Sep 10 19:52:27 oh Sep 10 19:52:46 mwester: good to hear Sep 10 19:52:53 would be kind of funny if you have your system on SD ;) Sep 10 19:55:36 i do ;-/ Sep 10 19:55:45 regular backups keep me sane :) Sep 10 19:56:52 heh Sep 10 19:57:04 out of curiouslity, which distribution are you using? Sep 10 19:57:47 my own debian :) i installed it before pkg-fso was out Sep 10 19:58:07 i don't much like the fact that they install and configure everything for root Sep 10 19:59:21 true Sep 10 19:59:24 pkg-fso? Sep 10 19:59:52 the recently (a month ago?) started project for systematic debian on the neo? Sep 10 20:00:13 :D Sep 10 20:00:22 Quick, everyone, take his backups! Sep 10 20:01:00 i must reboot on a livecd for a problem...bye Sep 10 20:02:13 heh Sep 10 20:02:45 Just got my neo, trying to run an update but it's giving me not found errors ( and for the packages.gz , not just the .sig ) Sep 10 20:02:55 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Sep 10 20:03:05 hot :D Sep 10 20:04:26 does anyone sell a powered usb hub that charges the freerunner yet? Sep 10 20:04:58 YES Sep 10 20:04:59 :D Sep 10 20:13:10 i know this has been discussed before but is the problem has to do with class4 vs class 6 mini sdcards? Sep 10 20:13:12 man, thats so frustrating. my neo does not even have enough fre space to install a browser. And this with the reletively small fso build. Sep 10 20:13:44 is it that class 6 wont work properly? Sep 10 20:13:58 And opkg really does not handles these kinds of errors not got at all. :-/ Sep 10 20:14:33 use debian ;-P Sep 10 20:15:15 openmokobian Sep 10 20:15:22 nice name, actually Sep 10 20:16:03 well since 2008.8 will be the basis of everything i think i will stik with it Sep 10 20:16:21 slaxxin, let's just hope it won't :) Sep 10 20:16:38 TAsn: +1 Sep 10 20:16:45 ecraven: apt for packages would be nice. yea. But is debian really small? Sep 10 20:16:46 :) Sep 10 20:16:56 mini-sd cards have the slight problem that they don't physically fit Sep 10 20:17:41 The question is Does debian outperform ASU? I mean responsiveness. Sep 10 20:17:48 Hey Sep 10 20:17:52 so its micro sd is what we want? Sep 10 20:17:58 Does anyone know how to set up alsa on FSO? Sep 10 20:18:19 as for the sd corruption, I read that it was fixed by disabling clocking the sd down, but was that incorrect? Sep 10 20:18:23 slaxxin, yes Sep 10 20:18:39 DPThough1: small enough for an SD card.. with some work small enough for the internal flash too Sep 10 20:19:03 just need 4 2 gig cards Sep 10 20:19:04 slaxxin: Do you not already have a neo? Sep 10 20:19:25 yes i do im shopping for sdcards Sep 10 20:19:39 zogg_: depends on the apps i would dsay. bloat is with debian more a question of size than speed Sep 10 20:20:13 quickdev: How do you mean, set up alsa? Create alsa config files? Make FSO use the right one for the circumstances? Sep 10 20:21:05 wurp2|working, I executed: "alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state store" and it replies: "alsactl: save_state:1251: No soundcards found..." Sep 10 20:21:11 wrong kernel? Sep 10 20:21:18 im wondering why milestone III has no messeging? Sep 10 20:21:30 it does.. Sep 10 20:21:47 maybe i need to change the kernel to? Sep 10 20:22:38 quickdev: Hrm, is sound working on your neo? Sep 10 20:23:06 quickdev: I've seen that error before... but I don't remember when or why :-) Sep 10 20:23:22 wurp2|working, sound isn't working - that's why I'm trying to get alsa working :) Sep 10 20:23:27 :-) Sep 10 20:23:53 has anyone written a description of what alsa settings influence what? Sep 10 20:24:04 quickdev: Did you update your kernel at the same time as installing FSO? Sep 10 20:24:05 ecraven: it's a great mystery.. Sep 10 20:24:29 ecraven: Nah, it was hard for everyone else to figure out, it should be hard for you, too! Sep 10 20:24:57 wurp2|working, I'm using a kernel from alphaone's builds. Which kernel is known to work with the newest fso release? :) Sep 10 20:25:34 wurp2|working, edistar: hehe, true Sep 10 20:26:06 quickdev: I have no idea :-/ I know dolf1074 was getting sound on his FR with MS3 Sep 10 20:26:13 He had other issues, though. Sep 10 20:26:28 wurp2|working, could I use the kernel of the 2008.8 release? Sep 10 20:27:04 quickdev: The only diff I know of between the different kernels is patches for suspend/resume, but I'm no expert on it Sep 10 20:29:59 btw. does anyone knows something that would freally free much space on fso if i deinstall it and is useless? Sep 10 20:31:19 locales? man pages? Sep 10 20:33:41 ecraven: there are none. And if even there anywhere locales are scarse Sep 10 20:34:05 squashfs, maybe? Sep 10 20:34:20 2007.2 or 2008.8 for usuablity/stability? Sep 10 20:34:21 i've heard good reports about it from the eeepc and acer aspire one Sep 10 20:35:45 ecraven: yea, there are some cool new compressed but r/w flash filesystems out there. Sep 10 20:37:47 http://thesweetdream.com/employment-2.htm Sep 10 20:38:23 i think i found the source of the 1111301000 messages Sep 10 20:38:53 If you received a call from one of these numbers - chances are they were credit collectors. Sep 10 20:39:02 what a load of crap Sep 10 20:41:43 how can i tell fso miii *not* to turn off the screen while i'm doing something? Sep 10 20:43:15 edit /etc/frameworkd.conf Sep 10 20:47:55 why is the default set so unusably? Sep 10 20:48:16 also, is it normal that tichy bombs? Sep 10 20:48:31 yes it is Sep 10 20:48:37 ha Sep 10 20:48:46 is it still being developped? Sep 10 20:49:09 i dont know an does your calander work? Sep 10 20:49:44 got a cute red indicator for low battery though Sep 10 20:49:47 no, but i didn't have a sim card in Sep 10 20:50:07 well i do Sep 10 20:50:18 an it still bombed Sep 10 20:50:43 calander man not contacts Sep 10 20:50:59 yes, it was grayed out Sep 10 20:51:33 have u rebooted 1 time? Sep 10 20:51:41 hello Sep 10 20:51:52 just doing that Sep 10 20:51:54 hey harnir Sep 10 20:52:10 how's the new Om 2008.9.1? Sep 10 20:52:29 what's "unusably" for one is "saving power" for another one Sep 10 20:52:36 the calander button will engage but nothing happens that i can tell Sep 10 20:53:06 20080907 worked well for me Sep 10 20:53:59 20080908 i mean Sep 10 20:54:30 suspended overnight then recieved a call without rebooting Sep 10 20:56:25 nice, fso got fast!! Sep 10 20:56:34 where does zhone hide sms? Sep 10 20:56:56 ecraven: i have the same problem, the icon is disabled :( Sep 10 20:57:18 should it be enabled? Sep 10 20:57:50 i think so Sep 10 21:00:05 can anyone explain to me rationally why the microphones are on the *side* of the neo?? Sep 10 21:00:11 i have *terribly* sound quality Sep 10 21:00:47 ecraven: Well... it's not :) Sep 10 21:00:49 ecraven: it's not the microphones on the side Sep 10 21:00:49 they're not Sep 10 21:00:59 microphone is in the center side of the arc Sep 10 21:01:00 It's in the tiny hole in the lanyard hole :) Sep 10 21:01:02 look closely Sep 10 21:01:35 ecraven: those holes on the sides are the speaker (one actually, on the left) grills Sep 10 21:02:00 Greetings! Sep 10 21:02:18 harnir: then why do i get better sound talking into the speaker than talking into that tiny hole? Sep 10 21:02:45 ecraven: I honestly have no idea, maybe your FreeRunner is somehow unique? :) Sep 10 21:03:41 should i do anything to the default settings of fso milestone 3? Sep 10 21:04:15 also, is the upper right icon in zhone for sms? why is it disabled? Sep 10 21:07:04 anyone from the UK around? what does "peak download allowance" mean in connection to an ISP? Sep 10 21:08:05 edistar: Sounds like the maximum speed you can download at during peak usage times. Sep 10 21:09:02 edistar: I believe this is "this is how much you can download during peak hours, if you go over that we will throttle you and be otherwise unpleasant" Sep 10 21:09:16 heh, wtf ? Sep 10 21:09:35 I wouldn't use such isp :/ Sep 10 21:09:49 <|FiLiP|> it's marketing talk for 'we'll screw you" Sep 10 21:10:16 viq: sounds like the UK isn't such a nice broadband country.. Sep 10 21:10:21 Mononoke: a friend uses such ISP. And sometimes if you don't want to use such ISP and want to have access to internet the only option is to move... Sep 10 21:10:46 also cant add to contacts in fso III Sep 10 21:11:00 can anyone recommend me a good ISP in england? Sep 10 21:11:36 viq: what about running your own isp ? get people and create local network. It did work in our town Sep 10 21:11:47 edistar: ukfsn Sep 10 21:12:25 Mononoke: hm, interesting. I have no idea what that would involve Sep 10 21:12:36 mattl: horrendous pricing Sep 10 21:12:54 "you get what you pay for" ? ;) Sep 10 21:13:08 I don't pay for 400kb upload Sep 10 21:13:11 ridiculous Sep 10 21:13:24 edistar: ISPs in the UK are all shit. Sep 10 21:13:44 256k even, at ukfsn Sep 10 21:13:59 standard for DSL. Sep 10 21:15:42 I have 20Mbs down 900Kbs up here for roughly 30 pounds.. Sep 10 21:15:46 in .nl though Sep 10 21:18:07 don't mind paying a bit more, just want the same service please... no bandwidth restrictions.. thought europe was civilized by now :P Sep 10 21:20:12 edistar: http://openbts.sf.net/ Sep 10 21:21:08 harnir: was that for me? Sep 10 21:21:53 edistar: oh, I misunderstood - you wanted better 'net connection, not better GSM network. :-) Sep 10 21:21:59 edistar: http://nocat.net/ Sep 10 21:22:24 edistar if u can get cable where u are in the UK u can get similar deal to what u mentioned Sep 10 21:23:05 zedstar: ah, super, thanks Sep 10 21:23:11 never did cable stuff.. Sep 10 21:23:18 * edistar is a satellite person :P Sep 10 21:23:36 edistar virgin own it now it gets rebranded all the time Sep 10 21:25:56 thx Sep 10 21:26:21 edistar: britain has to be always different :P Sep 10 21:29:24 nevermind that England just trashed Croatia in Croata 4 - 1 :) Sep 10 21:30:22 in hockey ? :) Sep 10 21:31:49 footy ;P Sep 10 21:34:22 the only thing that i saw that worked was tangogps an phone calls Sep 10 21:34:52 i didnt leave fso III on Sep 10 21:39:41 * donomo boots milestone3 for the first time Sep 10 21:40:37 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rb1b0f6adc59e 10/illume/illume-config/e.src: Higher the shutdown time on power button press. 2 seconds are to short. We go for 5. Sep 10 21:41:26 * donomo watching the swinging yin/yang logo... Sep 10 21:48:48 'Failed to register to network' Sep 10 21:50:17 it wont take long for u to run Sep 10 21:50:36 restarted zhone. now its happyily registered. Sep 10 21:50:39 put a sim in Sep 10 21:51:04 i had it for 5 hours Sep 10 21:51:15 now its gone Sep 10 21:51:42 i cant figure out why theres 2 gps in fsoIII Sep 10 21:52:22 you mean 2 gps applications? the zhone screen and tangogps? Sep 10 21:52:35 wheres the tango package with the autocenter button on it? Sep 10 21:52:45 yes that Sep 10 21:53:09 i used the tango an it worked pretty well Sep 10 21:53:54 an the charge light is the power button thats good Sep 10 21:54:44 i need that tango for 2008.9 Sep 10 21:55:45 i only had it for a few hrs too ... back to 2007.2 now Sep 10 21:56:08 ahh comeon Sep 10 21:56:08 waiting for ms6 me thinks ;) Sep 10 21:56:20 atleast work with 2008.9 Sep 10 21:56:40 i have 1 that works fairly well Sep 10 21:56:52 20080908 Sep 10 21:56:54 i just put milestone 3 to sleep. it wont unsleep. :( Sep 10 21:57:02 didn't think 2008.9 was out yet ... ? Sep 10 21:57:10 it wont take u long Sep 10 21:57:28 well a daily build is what it is Sep 10 21:57:49 slaxxin: if you can point me to one that works ok, i will gladly test it :] Sep 10 21:57:56 ok Sep 10 21:58:04 give me a minuit Sep 10 21:58:09 cool =] Sep 10 21:59:21 is it the raster build from aug15th ? Sep 10 21:59:35 oops, sorry ... daily build, gotcha Sep 10 22:00:48 oh, hadn't noticed, FSO milestone 3 is out :) Sep 10 22:02:05 no it is the 2008 september 80 Sep 10 22:03:00 Kensan: wooooooooot! Sep 10 22:04:36 Tig|: oh crap, it says "not yet announced" Sep 10 22:04:46 I hope I didn't steal anybody's thunder :( Sep 10 22:04:52 whoops :) Sep 10 22:05:58 hmmm ... what happened to the fso ms3 files ?? Sep 10 22:06:31 sicu: it has not been released yet, that's why. Sep 10 22:06:44 lol ... they were there earlier today Sep 10 22:06:44 trac still says there is one ticket left Sep 10 22:06:56 i even flashed my FR with it Sep 10 22:07:00 damnit, I hope this does not end in some storm on the ML. Sep 10 22:07:16 sicu: maybe, somebody found a crucial issue? Sep 10 22:07:24 sicu: is your FR still working? Sep 10 22:07:25 *heh* Sep 10 22:07:25 yeh, probably ... they pulled them back to do some too-late-minute fixes Sep 10 22:07:43 they removed them proly because they suck an they want to replace them as quickly as possible (i hope() Sep 10 22:08:10 sorry sicu Sep 10 22:08:18 well ... fingers crossed for slaxxins optimism ;) Sep 10 22:08:25 i cant find it but i have it here Sep 10 22:08:42 file transfer if u like Sep 10 22:09:24 hehe .. np, i will try the latest daily-build and get back to you if it's terrible Sep 10 22:09:29 but thanks =] Sep 10 22:09:56 sicu: what's the "raster" image some people keep talking about? Any pointers/urls? Sep 10 22:10:21 Kensan: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Sep 10 22:10:41 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Sep 10 22:10:49 meh Sep 10 22:10:54 ah nice Sep 10 22:10:54 good because i almost put that on 30 minuits ago an maybe u can tell us how it goes Sep 10 22:10:56 thanks guys Sep 10 22:11:11 np Sep 10 22:11:25 I probably won't get to it tonight. Sep 10 22:12:55 But should be definitely interesting to see what raster is coming up with in the near future. Now that he has some spare time on his hands ;) Sep 10 22:13:15 yeh, me neither ... gotta leave some flashes for tomorrow so I don't go through my flash-withdrawal Sep 10 22:13:54 Kensan: true, but the image on that link is pre-om-resignation though Sep 10 22:14:29 yesterdays image worked well for me Sep 10 22:14:45 anybody wants it i have it Sep 10 22:16:22 its the only image in my 2008.8 working overnite folder Sep 10 22:17:10 i think they stepped up to the plate knowing MIII was coming out Sep 10 22:17:34 good jobopenmoko Sep 10 22:18:00 slaxxin: ok, you've convinced me Sep 10 22:18:17 what fso ok with u? Sep 10 22:18:23 new transfer ... pretty pls Sep 10 22:18:29 ok Sep 10 22:18:46 u can install it later as long as u have it Sep 10 22:18:53 yeh =] Sep 10 22:19:25 meh ... stupid mirc Sep 10 22:19:29 again pls Sep 10 22:20:22 ok Sep 10 22:20:41 slaxxin: yesterdays image of which distribution? Sep 10 22:20:43 thanks =] Sep 10 22:20:51 2008 Sep 10 22:20:57 its 20080908 Sep 10 22:21:20 slaxxin: i see Sep 10 22:21:57 u got a link? Sep 10 22:22:20 68.38 megs Sep 10 22:22:59 september Sep 10 22:24:18 its slow Sep 10 22:24:34 http://cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html Sep 10 22:24:53 doesnt somebody index the daily 2008 .8 builds? Sep 10 22:25:16 host Sep 10 22:30:17 slaxxin: yeh, kinda slow ... my line is normally quicker than this ... but it's almost done =) Sep 10 22:31:36 wohoo :] Sep 10 22:33:06 might md5sum it Sep 10 22:34:19 jupp Sep 10 22:37:04 uploading it to rapidshare Sep 10 22:37:19 cool Sep 10 22:40:21 why doesnt the latest tango have an autocenter button? Sep 10 22:40:29 hope you're uploading the source code as well to comply with the GPL ... Sep 10 22:40:42 lol Sep 10 22:41:20 well if i got it the source code should be with it correct? lololol Sep 10 22:41:25 it's not a laughing matter. the last thing openmoko needs is some slashdot article about GPL images on rapidshare with no corresponding source code - "Openmoko violates GPL!!!! OMG!!!" Sep 10 22:41:57 you either comply with the license under which you received that binary image, or you dont. Sep 10 22:41:57 does the source code not come with it when i got it Sep 10 22:42:19 am i not? Sep 10 22:42:23 doesn't matter - if *you* redistribute it, then *you* become responsible for supplying the corresponding source code Sep 10 22:42:41 you're not allowed just to point to someone else's web site. Sep 10 22:42:42 where does i get it may i ask? Sep 10 22:43:12 you should ask the person you got it from. They should have the source code available under the GPL ... Sep 10 22:43:24 so it doesnt come with the source code? Sep 10 22:43:35 again, ask the person you got it from Sep 10 22:43:52 ok i just wont share it Sep 10 22:44:15 heh, sounds easier that way :/ Sep 10 22:45:53 sicu i guess if u dont accept this next file i will be forced to run u through Sep 10 22:47:55 * sicu hides behind his freerunner ... and peeks through the conveniently place hole at the bottom Sep 10 22:48:09 i knew that hole was there for a good reason Sep 10 22:51:47 anyone else try out milestone 3 yet? Sep 10 22:55:54 jadams: it got pulled back; be patient a while longer. Sep 10 22:58:00 the kernel didn't resume, so they're going back to stable Sep 10 23:00:05 good good Sep 10 23:02:04 oh... Sep 10 23:02:16 I installed it, but the sms sending interface still doesn't work for me, does it for others? Sep 10 23:03:10 i sent a couple that worked ... but i've reflashed it since Sep 10 23:03:25 waiting for the official release before i try it again Sep 10 23:04:13 hey guys, i know it's a stupid question, but may be someone will answer :) is there a time line when openmoko is going to be ready for end users? Sep 10 23:04:43 When it's ready? Sep 10 23:04:56 at least when the battery will least for more than 2 days? Sep 10 23:05:10 may be 5 :) Sep 10 23:05:44 Mine doesn't last more than 5 hours )-: Sep 10 23:06:11 john: while working on it or while in stand by mode? Sep 10 23:06:17 Anyone know how to remap the aux button to execute whatever command I want? Sep 10 23:06:58 Dimmed and locked. But I'm still running 2007.2. Sep 10 23:07:20 all right, thanks Sep 10 23:12:16 woops. enlightment crashing on FSO 3. Sep 10 23:17:17 does anyone have the "autocenter" button appearing when using TangoGPS on OM? Sep 10 23:17:40 i wonder whether it doesn't appear due to with width of the screen, and if there's any way to get it to appear Sep 10 23:19:29 on an fso image Sep 10 23:25:47 "Registered to Network" and *boom* Enlightenment. Sep 10 23:26:13 twice in a row. I bet that makes it debuggable... Sep 10 23:26:24 but not now. bedtime Sep 10 23:30:27 where can i find fso ms3 image? Sep 10 23:32:53 http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3 Sep 10 23:33:10 hmm. the files are gone now Sep 10 23:34:17 i know Sep 10 23:34:21 strange Sep 10 23:34:47 bug in the matrix, oh no!!!!1111oneone Sep 10 23:35:08 i just saw the same cat walk by! Sep 10 23:35:44 lol Sep 10 23:59:43 hi Sep 11 00:00:44 i just installed daily build on my gta01 . can some one tell me how to switch keyboard layout to numerical in pin dialog? i can't put my pin code Sep 11 00:00:50 qtopia ^^ Sep 11 00:01:00 NineX: drag your finger upwards. Sep 11 00:01:05 (on the keyboard) Sep 11 00:05:11 cjb: :* thx Sep 11 00:13:36 hi all Sep 11 00:14:19 hi mmaestri Sep 11 00:14:26 i've been away for a while. did i've missed something? :P Sep 11 00:14:45 Kero: what you're running is not FSO3, as FSO3 has not been released yet ... Sep 11 00:14:46 johngay: so funny Sep 11 00:15:43 rwhitby: are you somehow involved on fso3 development? Sep 11 00:16:20 I maintain the autobuilder at shr.bearstech.com, and did some patches for ogpsd on gta01, but am not officially part of any team Sep 11 00:18:14 rwhitby: i'm downloading unstable images (rootfs, uImage) and modules from shr.bearstech.com with date 04sept - how good is it so far? Sep 11 00:22:03 morning all! Sep 11 00:22:11 * alphabeat eagerly awaits fso ms3 Sep 11 00:22:28 * mmaestri too Sep 11 00:40:11 mmaestri: fso-testing is up to task 2424 of 4956 Sep 11 00:41:41 looks like fso-unstable failed to complete the build - investigating now Sep 11 00:42:37 rwhitby: is that why ms3 isn't out yet? Sep 11 00:42:48 or is this on your nsusl (?) server? Sep 11 00:43:03 no, kernel didn't resume so they had to revert kernel to stable Sep 11 00:43:17 aww :( Sep 11 00:43:22 nslu2-linux server builds the same stuff Sep 11 00:44:50 rwhitby: ...too late...just reflashed with that fso unstable...damn... Sep 11 00:45:10 you'll need something with today's date to get anything close Sep 11 00:46:22 rwhitby: i have your power adaptor Sep 11 00:46:25 :) Sep 11 00:47:09 kgoetz: thx - as I said in email there is no hurry, it's just a convenience thing so I don't have to carry a more bulky adapter Sep 11 00:49:59 rwhitby: yep. i dont expect to organise a get together this time - at least one person wants to get thiers today, and that leaves two people (one of which is me ...) and your adaptor. Sep 11 00:55:14 fso fso fso Sep 11 00:55:32 What's new, Mr. Whitby? Sep 11 00:55:55 * raster continues his theme work for illume Sep 11 00:57:03 raster: is illume usable in qvga and/or landscape mode? Sep 11 00:57:21 i have used/tesed it in both Sep 11 00:57:28 in qvga u need to change some config Sep 11 00:57:31 like gadget sizes Sep 11 00:57:36 and icon sizes for launcher Sep 11 00:57:38 but it works Sep 11 00:57:46 well.. works if u use the new edje sclaing features Sep 11 00:57:50 and your theme supports scaling Sep 11 00:57:54 okey, wouldn't it be more convenient to have that done automatically? Sep 11 00:57:58 .. whihc mine currently does Sep 11 00:58:19 "automatically scale" is some buzzword that doesnt work Sep 11 00:58:26 u dont want everythnig to scale always Sep 11 00:58:30 new features being how new exactly? Sep 11 00:58:34 in fact often u want to selectively scale some things Sep 11 00:58:36 and not others Sep 11 00:58:58 well right now its a hack - will make it proper config Sep 11 00:59:03 edje jas a scaling factor Sep 11 00:59:12 any elements that say "scale me" get scaled by that Sep 11 00:59:17 that scaling factor can be manually set Sep 11 00:59:23 or could be calculated from dpi Sep 11 00:59:24 etc. Sep 11 00:59:32 doesnt much matter - in the end it is a scaling factor Sep 11 00:59:38 but thats going to qvga Sep 11 00:59:42 which is 1/4 of the screen space Sep 11 00:59:47 that's what I meant with automatically.. Sep 11 01:00:03 right now the only way to set it is via an env var Sep 11 01:00:05 the other thing is: will there be anything like support for submenus in the launcher? Sep 11 01:00:08 as i am just playing with it as a tool Sep 11 01:00:18 and i dont intend to support submenus in the launcher Sep 11 01:00:21 i dont like the launcher Sep 11 01:00:23 okey Sep 11 01:00:34 it was a quick drop-in to be more usable than the slider launcher sean wanted Sep 11 01:00:36 any other plans for an alternative launcher or so? Sep 11 01:00:39 if u go to slider mode Sep 11 01:00:45 thats what sean wanted for the launcher Sep 11 01:00:51 I don't like slider mode, it's completely useless Sep 11 01:00:56 i know Sep 11 01:01:00 i said that from the beginning Sep 11 01:01:05 but he insisted until the very end Sep 11 01:01:07 didnt listen to me Sep 11 01:01:27 ..and watched the battleship sink slowly.. Sep 11 01:01:29 only once every singhle person was telling him that they used my alternative i quickly whipped up in an afternoon Sep 11 01:01:43 he still was saying "but you didnt implement it proeprly" Sep 11 01:01:46 any other idea for a launcher? Sep 11 01:01:47 its implemented exactly as designed Sep 11 01:01:58 so i dont know what his issue is Sep 11 01:02:01 tss.. can't face wrong decisions.. Sep 11 01:02:09 but that is the mode he wanted originally and its there as an option Sep 11 01:02:23 it's cool if you don't have to use it :P Sep 11 01:02:28 hehee Sep 11 01:02:29 yup Sep 11 01:02:31 thats what i said Sep 11 01:02:52 "thubms up on not trying to copy apple/ms and every other launcher. original. cool... but not usable..." Sep 11 01:02:54 well, do you have an alternative kind of launcher in mind? Sep 11 01:02:59 credit where credit is due Sep 11 01:03:01 it is original Sep 11 01:03:32 but the "status" (ie what app is currrently selected) being UNDER your finger as it changes Sep 11 01:03:39 is just bad ui /interaction design Sep 11 01:03:48 the tiny text telling u the app is also not so useful Sep 11 01:03:56 also u have very little "context" while scrolling thru apps Sep 11 01:04:01 as u at BEST see 2 at once Sep 11 01:04:05 and then they are cross-faded Sep 11 01:04:09 so really u see 1 only Sep 11 01:04:20 and even then it spends most of its time unrecognisably blended Sep 11 01:04:38 anyway - easy to tear up a design. alwasy. hard to come up with them Sep 11 01:04:42 you don't see anything really until it's too late Sep 11 01:04:47 so credit where credit is due - original. Sep 11 01:05:02 dunno - i saw this pretty much first off Sep 11 01:05:08 but my input was disregareded Sep 11 01:05:13 as i was informed clearly Sep 11 01:05:29 i know nothing of ui design. i'm not a deisgner. i dont know how it works. i'm just a programmer. Sep 11 01:05:48 :) Sep 11 01:06:07 anyway i plan on doing an entirely different "home screen" later Sep 11 01:06:12 not a launcher Sep 11 01:06:22 but more of a "desktop widgets" thing Sep 11 01:06:45 ie like filemanager icons on desktop + gadgets on desktop (if u know e17) Sep 11 01:06:52 or "active desktop" Sep 11 01:06:59 or whatever that osx equivalent is Sep 11 01:07:09 basically u stick widgets/gadgets aroudn your screen Sep 11 01:07:12 they can launch apps Sep 11 01:07:28 I run e17 Sep 11 01:07:45 sounds okey Sep 11 01:07:51 or just display the time, the weather, or be a contact entry (ie put your favorite people's photos on your screen and just tap them to call or sms etc.) Sep 11 01:07:55 then you could have a sublauncher as a widget Sep 11 01:07:59 yes Sep 11 01:08:01 correct Sep 11 01:08:05 e.g Sep 11 01:08:14 but the focus would be the fact that its a freeform desktop full of stuff Sep 11 01:08:21 not a fixed grid of icons and thats it Sep 11 01:08:24 it would be a sort of today2 only with arbitrary widgets Sep 11 01:08:27 "today" can just be a gadget Sep 11 01:08:35 ie "my calendar events today" Sep 11 01:08:39 "missed calls/sms's" Sep 11 01:08:40 etcv. Sep 11 01:09:15 how do the widgets interact with the 'surface'? Sep 11 01:09:26 theyr'e just gadgets Sep 11 01:09:29 canvas objects Sep 11 01:09:33 they can do whatever they like Sep 11 01:10:05 the surface has no control over them? Sep 11 01:10:28 in what way? Sep 11 01:10:43 there already is a gadget manager Sep 11 01:11:01 ah, okey Sep 11 01:11:01 sry Sep 11 01:11:04 it handles arranging gadgets given a gadget container Sep 11 01:11:04 of course Sep 11 01:11:18 thats how u move/resize things in e17's shelf or with gadman on the desktop Sep 11 01:11:22 yes Sep 11 01:11:27 it is in charge of remembering who is where Sep 11 01:11:41 and asking any gagdte provider classes for a gadget if it was there last time Sep 11 01:13:16 hm, I presume then that you can't quickly script widgets in python then.. Sep 11 01:14:09 hahaha Sep 11 01:14:10 no Sep 11 01:14:28 gadgets are provided by gadget classes Sep 11 01:14:29 they are c Sep 11 01:14:33 they are loaded modules Sep 11 01:14:39 ie .so's Sep 11 01:14:45 I thought so Sep 11 01:14:50 just hoping :P Sep 11 01:15:16 in theory if u wrote all the biondings u could make an e module that allowed for python scritp sto create gadgets Sep 11 01:15:21 It's Rasterman Sep 11 01:15:29 but frankly - pyton bindings are a PITA Sep 11 01:16:02 raster are you going to promote your own righteous image? :) Sep 11 01:16:08 e17 alone has maybe 1400 c calls Sep 11 01:16:17 because clearly yours is the true path to englightenment ;) Sep 11 01:16:22 that are "externally accessible" to modules Sep 11 01:16:24 Has anyone here installed Debian on their Freerunner? Sep 11 01:16:26 not includng other symbols Sep 11 01:16:29 and the rest of efl Sep 11 01:16:43 hey raster, long time (4+ years) no see Sep 11 01:16:49 emacsen: yes Sep 11 01:16:53 u want to go write a pythin binding for all of those? :) Sep 11 01:16:55 not fun! Sep 11 01:17:09 no, I don't really want to Sep 11 01:17:14 emacsen: i've been floating about like a bad smell :) Sep 11 01:17:16 I want someone else to Sep 11 01:17:17 edistar: bingo :) Sep 11 01:17:21 not going to be me! Sep 11 01:17:22 hell no Sep 11 01:17:25 haha Sep 11 01:17:27 so go write your stuff in c Sep 11 01:17:28 edistar, do you know if there are any gotchas in using the install script from a regular system (ie my laptop) and not the freerunner? Sep 11 01:17:33 save everyone the pain of python Sep 11 01:17:47 raster, not a python fan, I take it? Sep 11 01:17:53 emacsen: it does all the magic locally, so it wouldn't find the right hw Sep 11 01:17:53 c isnt hard Sep 11 01:17:57 dev nup Sep 11 01:18:05 Dave: and... i havent done my image yet Sep 11 01:18:09 aww Sep 11 01:18:11 i am working ona theme redo atm Sep 11 01:18:13 I was looking forward to it Sep 11 01:18:17 ah okay :) Sep 11 01:18:17 raster: python has its advantages, even if you like C more Sep 11 01:18:22 once i have it looking better i'll get to it Sep 11 01:18:25 edistar, fsck.... I was hoping to avoid the networking crap to get my laptop to serve the freerunner network via usb and all that Sep 11 01:18:34 edistar: i have yet to find a single one Sep 11 01:18:45 raster, aye aye cap'n! Sep 11 01:18:50 raster: keep on looking :) Sep 11 01:19:17 emacsen: sry 'bout that Sep 11 01:19:30 raster, Python lets you enjoy watching your software run for a longer time. Sep 11 01:19:33 Kenyoung! Sep 11 01:19:38 Dave! Sep 11 01:19:41 raster: it sounds very good though, the desktop/widget thing Sep 11 01:20:01 edistar: got better things to do that keep looking. :) Sep 11 01:20:12 i prefer to use c and just make life in c land easy Sep 11 01:20:20 yeah, why not Sep 11 01:20:21 Somehow... seeing you at night here is seemingly appropriate, kenyoung :) Sep 11 01:20:32 edistar, is there a page on how to share the network easily so I don't have to dig through a ton of documentation/ Sep 11 01:20:35 is there an fso ms3 image available somewhere? heard it was out Sep 11 01:20:35 don't think I'll refresh my C skills for those widgets though.. Sep 11 01:20:37 Well, thanks! Sep 11 01:20:49 zorkman, slow. Sep 11 01:20:53 emacsen: search the wiki for 'dnrd' and dnrd script Sep 11 01:20:59 emacsen: that makes life easier Sep 11 01:21:17 Dave: I've been busy, night shift, painting, hating my router... Sep 11 01:21:23 raster: well, keep up the nice work! Sep 11 01:21:25 raster, the only thing I think C excels in is programming microcontrollers, otherwise I'm happy to use a higher level language. Sep 11 01:21:36 the app switcher was nice though, you will keep that? Sep 11 01:21:41 :P Sep 11 01:21:45 ROUTER HATE Sep 11 01:21:45 edistar, drnd, thanks Sep 11 01:21:48 Route the hate! Sep 11 01:21:56 Let it flow... through your router! Sep 11 01:22:04 emacsen: i dont like anything gettng between me and the cpu. be that in a driver kernel or all the way up in a wm and toolkit Sep 11 01:22:30 no, seriously, is ms3 somewhere? Sep 11 01:22:35 Zorkman: yes Sep 11 01:22:46 let raster's wisdom wash over you. Sep 11 01:23:00 zorkman, you must have missed bumble flashing it twelve or more hours ago. Sep 11 01:23:00 i think there is somethng to be said that c - despite its age, is still so popular Sep 11 01:23:07 and that it really.. can solve anything Sep 11 01:23:11 raster *shrug* I'm programming stuff with no OS, but when I have more than 512bytes of ram, I'll take a high level language , but different strokes for different folks. Let's just hope you've gotten rid of that dirty jester hat Sep 11 01:23:18 there are things python/perl etc. just cant do Sep 11 01:23:23 There are none so blind as those who will not C. Sep 11 01:23:27 heh Sep 11 01:23:35 raster wears hats? Sep 11 01:23:43 Kenyoung :P Sep 11 01:23:48 he did 10 years ago Sep 11 01:23:50 c is the universal tool - can do anything.. if you just know how to use it Sep 11 01:23:51 Enough of the terrible puns you guys :P Sep 11 01:24:02 though a lot of peole just dont Sep 11 01:24:03 raster: it sucks on some machines. Sep 11 01:24:07 the idea of a pointer is just too hard :) Sep 11 01:24:20 raster: PIC doesn't really fit well with it for example. (microcontroller with one register) Sep 11 01:24:22 go murder somebody with a ponter Sep 11 01:24:28 * ShellEvil stabs dave. Sep 11 01:24:33 :O Sep 11 01:24:47 haha, oh wait, nothing happened. Sep 11 01:24:51 ShellEvil: just drop some inline asm in :) Sep 11 01:25:06 master raster mixes it up Sep 11 01:25:17 raster: It's more that the instruction set doesn't map efficiently to C - and you have 0.5-1K of ROM Sep 11 01:25:43 evil, stop giving bad counter examples :p Sep 11 01:25:46 raster: but the parts are $.37 in small qry. - so using asm can be worth it. Sep 11 01:25:48 s/bad/inappropriate/ Sep 11 01:25:48 Dave meant: evil, stop giving inappropriate counter examples :p Sep 11 01:26:05 ShellEvil: sure. at that level - drop to asm :) Sep 11 01:26:12 It's not quite a counterexample. Sep 11 01:26:21 i'm currently twiddling with a cpu that has only about 30 instructions Sep 11 01:26:23 1 acc Sep 11 01:26:26 As C is getting down to smaller and smaller (cost) devices. Sep 11 01:26:29 and a bizarre insst set Sep 11 01:26:35 (reminds me of x86) Sep 11 01:26:36 It's hard to imagine that you can actually purchase something with only 0.5->1K of ROM. RFID? Sep 11 01:26:37 sounds kinky Sep 11 01:26:45 luckily i can actually influence the inst set atm Sep 11 01:26:49 good point :P Sep 11 01:26:49 KenYoung: no - general purpose microcontroller. Sep 11 01:26:57 so i thnk i'll be gett9ing my right-barrel-shifter at last Sep 11 01:26:58 PIC? Sep 11 01:27:00 KenYoung: in a 6 pin package about 2.5*3mm Sep 11 01:27:11 nah not rfid Sep 11 01:27:13 raster, luger? Sep 11 01:27:23 consideably different Sep 11 01:27:38 For a bit more - doubleish - you can get micros that you can program in C. Sep 11 01:27:43 its really high clockrate, multiple cores and lots of ram Sep 11 01:27:51 hot Sep 11 01:27:52 but incredibly primitive processing units Sep 11 01:28:07 risc, anyone? Sep 11 01:28:07 For double again, and you get micros with several tens of K of flash and a few hundred bytes of RAM. Sep 11 01:28:23 Another doubling and you start getting 32 bit/20K RAM/200K flash Sep 11 01:29:07 ShellEvil: for that price range u can get the baby i'm playing with Sep 11 01:29:07 IntegratedEvil Sep 11 01:29:17 with 64m ram, 4 cores @ 400mhz. Sep 11 01:29:24 mind u Sep 11 01:29:29 it has zero interrupts or IO Sep 11 01:29:37 its a dram chip Sep 11 01:29:39 o.O Sep 11 01:29:40 needs a host system to work Sep 11 01:29:45 raster: I don't personally believe in this sort of thing. Sep 11 01:29:55 raster: till I can order it and get one in my hand. Sep 11 01:30:23 raster: where did you get that from? Sep 11 01:30:30 raster: it does sound very cool. Sep 11 01:30:42 ShellEvil: good point. right now its in final design /pre-production stages Sep 11 01:30:48 silicon should be out in a few months Sep 11 01:30:55 raster: you're involved in the design, or just have signed a NDA? Sep 11 01:31:04 again - i also will only really believe it when i see real working bug-free silicon Sep 11 01:31:05 BUT Sep 11 01:31:18 the idea of it is most cool Sep 11 01:31:21 yes - signed nda Sep 11 01:31:29 i'm not telling u anything that isnt alrteady puclib in the patent Sep 11 01:31:35 thus i can speak Sep 11 01:31:37 * ShellEvil stabs patents. Sep 11 01:31:41 (or was told to me prior to nda) Sep 11 01:31:42 :D Sep 11 01:31:48 heehee Sep 11 01:31:53 edistar: from the designers. Sep 11 01:31:58 I found prior art that I scribbled down on paper - can't prove it of course - in the attic the other day. Sep 11 01:32:35 http://www.flometrics.com/rockets/rocket_pump/rocketpump.htm Sep 11 01:32:40 To that. Sep 11 01:32:43 Do you regret not patenting your napkin scribbles? Sep 11 01:33:21 It's just it's so obvious, and I object to the use of the 'novelty' test. Sep 11 01:33:38 :D Sep 11 01:33:51 good night Sep 11 01:33:55 One might even call it, "evil", perhaps? ;) Sep 11 01:34:24 (though in place of the high pressure tank I had a gas generator) Sep 11 01:40:03 raster, but it needs a host? Sep 11 01:40:53 kinda makes it not very useful. Also once you start hitting, say $10 for a micro, you're really not talking cheap anymore Sep 11 01:41:23 emacsen: yeah. its just a dram chip Sep 11 01:41:47 the idea is - u already have an SOC of some sort Sep 11 01:42:12 what would the practical application be though? Sep 11 01:45:17 emacsen: "Smart ram" Sep 11 01:45:28 remember wram on the milleniums? Sep 11 01:45:36 nope Sep 11 01:45:40 ram that could zero itslef or set itself to a value and copy itself around? Sep 11 01:45:42 aaah Sep 11 01:45:44 ok Sep 11 01:45:47 wram was special ram Sep 11 01:45:54 u could ask it to do things to itself withotu a cpu Sep 11 01:46:07 eg u want to blit (copy) the contets of the screen over 1 pixel to the right Sep 11 01:46:10 (scroll) Sep 11 01:46:13 interesting. I can see that... Sep 11 01:46:16 u can just ask the ram to do that to itself Sep 11 01:46:34 ie every word (8/16/32bit) just replicates itself onto the memroy cell next to it Sep 11 01:46:46 no cpu/gpu needed to loop over them all one by one Sep 11 01:46:58 now imagine u take that idea Sep 11 01:47:06 and instead of just 2 or 3 specific thigns it can do Sep 11 01:47:14 the ram grows an incredibly simple cpu Sep 11 01:47:29 and that cpu has 4 cores Sep 11 01:47:35 and its < 100k transistors for it all Sep 11 01:47:45 and its directly in silicon on the ram Sep 11 01:47:56 there is no bus arbitration Sep 11 01:48:01 raster, sure. the question is, on something embedded I'd want to see an application where you'd need it Sep 11 01:48:05 u cut out anything u dont need Sep 11 01:48:10 maybe signal processing Sep 11 01:48:22 emacsen: signal, video/media/graphics/audio Sep 11 01:48:25 tho no floating point Sep 11 01:48:39 u'd have to emulate that with integer instrs Sep 11 01:48:56 but because its directly on ram there is no high-powred bus to go threu to get to ram Sep 11 01:49:01 its incredibly low latency Sep 11 01:49:07 ultra-low power Sep 11 01:49:27 rwhitby: are you there? Sep 11 01:49:28 k Sep 11 01:50:24 the problems are that the inst set is so limited u go thru a lot more instructions to get the same thing done as u do on an arm Sep 11 01:50:26 for example Sep 11 01:50:49 only 1 acc. it has another 16 registers u can use for some intrusctions either as a source or parameter Sep 11 01:51:08 and other limitations Sep 11 01:51:21 but within those its pretty open-slather as to what u can do Sep 11 01:51:28 the rest is nda'd info Sep 11 01:51:47 raster, I think this is just one of those areas where it depends what your application is. For what I'm doing, that's overkill Sep 11 01:52:17 yup Sep 11 01:52:19 indeed Sep 11 01:52:29 for what i do - ie graphics, its almost a godsend Sep 11 01:52:44 "finally intelligent ram i can teach to do.. what i want it to!" Sep 11 01:52:57 i can offload nastier processing from the cpu onto the ram Sep 11 01:53:09 ie convert argb32->rgb565 can become a memcpy() Sep 11 01:53:13 mmaestri: yes Sep 11 01:53:14 well 2 memcpy()'s Sep 11 01:53:19 copy data to there Sep 11 01:53:24 go do something else Sep 11 01:53:29 come back, memcpy() it back when its ready Sep 11 01:53:55 or alpha blending Sep 11 01:53:57 same story Sep 11 01:54:24 or image filtering/scaling and other stuff Sep 11 01:54:41 mpeg/h623/4 decoding Sep 11 01:54:42 etc. Sep 11 02:00:04 rwhitby: the 4sept image seems to be working Sep 11 02:00:26 at least it booted and recognized usb net Sep 11 02:00:39 i'm doing an update right now Sep 11 02:14:19 mmaestri: fso-testing images are up Sep 11 02:14:43 ARG. I get an IO error from SD card, screen goes crazy. That, or screen caused IO error Sep 11 02:15:12 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 Sep 11 02:15:12 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Sep 11 02:15:12 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 395736 Sep 11 02:15:19 *shakes his fist* Sep 11 02:15:34 will check the card tomorrow Sep 11 02:16:08 rwhitby: i've installed unstable image Sep 11 02:21:50 well did it work? Sep 11 02:21:53 :) Sep 11 02:28:40 how long does it take to build a fso image using the first method? Sep 11 02:36:11 slaxxin: i tried using fsomakefile image on an old linux box of mine and it took ages. in fact i got impatient and just downloaded a recent build :P Sep 11 02:37:17 slaxxin, on my laptop about one and a half day Sep 11 02:37:28 but this is only the first time you build it Sep 11 02:37:45 oh true Sep 11 02:38:23 well a hav a amd dual core is it ok to build on that? Sep 11 02:38:42 why not Sep 11 02:38:48 32 bit slackware os Sep 11 02:38:53 ok Sep 11 02:38:54 anyone tried psyco to speedup OE? Sep 11 02:39:11 i have a pentium M1,7 Sep 11 02:39:19 Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, Sep 11 02:39:33 some dependencies i guess Sep 11 02:40:06 y its a 5000+ black Sep 11 02:45:43 Python 2.5 or a 'python-pysqlite2' like package is likely to be what you need. Sep 11 02:45:43 make[1]: *** [image] Error 1 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 11 02:59:57 2008