**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 15 02:59:57 2008 Sep 15 03:20:38 hello, i've a question on how to charge the openmokl: do i need to keep it on or can it be suspended or shut down? Sep 15 03:21:00 s/openmok1/freerunner Sep 15 03:33:28 It should charge when suspended. Sep 15 03:33:41 If it doesn't, that's a bug. Sep 15 03:34:04 Try unsuspending and plugging in, don't just plug in Sep 15 03:39:11 is there any software to take voice notes for the FR? Sep 15 03:39:39 ideally using the hands free mike, but anything can work Sep 15 03:39:56 i have FDOM 09132008 installed how is it that the media player looks for songs? Sep 15 03:41:08 i have the files on sdcard Sep 15 03:45:25 slaxxin: Put the songs on /media/card, then restart the phone. Sep 15 03:46:53 ok Sep 15 03:46:58 hmph, qtopia snapshots have just removed the smtp auth settings... kinda hard to send email that way. Sep 15 03:58:18 johnsu01: just add in -ssl to devices/ficgta01/configure Sep 15 03:58:49 ljp: I was thinking about that, but why is auth plain gone now? Sep 15 03:59:14 dont know Sep 15 03:59:17 its easy to add Sep 15 04:02:49 ljp: hm, actually, looks like I did build with ssl Sep 15 04:03:49 at least -ssl is listed as default and there is no -no-ssl in the device configure file Sep 15 04:08:26 do you have the openssl headers in your toolchain? Sep 15 04:08:42 the toolchain at qtopia.net has not yet been updated Sep 15 04:11:59 ljp: hm, I guess I don't then, because that's the one I'm using. Sep 15 04:18:52 I would just update the toolchain there, but that machine is experiencing disk IO errors, and we are in the middle of transfering things elsewhere. Sep 15 04:23:10 ljp: cool, I just went back to your released snapshot and sending email works fine again for now Sep 15 04:23:45 i build those myself, so I know nothing funny is being done Sep 15 04:24:42 and I can add stuff not in the qtopia sources, like qterminal Sep 15 04:31:15 is ogg the prefered music format for the freerunner? Sep 15 04:34:08 so in qtopia media player...how do you tell it where to look for music? Sep 15 04:37:39 anyone know? Sep 15 04:37:54 it seems to find it automatically for me Sep 15 04:38:56 do you have it on a media/card/music? Sep 15 04:39:07 or something similar? Sep 15 04:39:10 or is it in the flash Sep 15 04:39:13 no, just on the flash Sep 15 04:39:21 I was about to try putting some of it on the card though Sep 15 04:39:41 hmmm Sep 15 04:39:50 there has to be a config file for the paths somewhere Sep 15 04:40:59 * nimpo has quit (SendQ exceeded) Sep 15 04:40:59 slaxxin: Put the songs on /media/card, then restart the phone. Sep 15 04:40:59 ok Sep 15 04:41:11 ljp: instructions for building the qtopia toolchain -- do they exist somewhere? Sep 15 04:42:46 i guess the freerunner automounts the correct dir even though i didnt specify it Sep 15 04:43:28 soo....how do you get rid of the patch to u-boot that tells it to try and boot from the sd card by default (for the debian install). I formatted my card and tried to reflash uboot....but the patch still seems to be there Sep 15 04:43:34 and it also was /media/card/music an it still located automaticly Sep 15 04:43:52 hmmm...cool...im restarting my moko now Sep 15 04:44:23 this is FDOM 09132008 Sep 15 04:44:58 thats what i just flashed actually Sep 15 04:45:06 i like it Sep 15 04:45:33 yea....i installed a few other things and changed some stuff around....but its definately a HUGE time saver from setting all that up manually Sep 15 04:45:35 ordering some extra sdcards Sep 15 04:46:19 i cant figure out how to stop a song in the media player though Sep 15 04:46:23 a few probs i still have with it though....it doesnt get ALL of the contacts on my sim card....just a random number of em. and Bluetooth never comes back after a suspend Sep 15 04:47:55 are those contacts that u entered but never acctually called/ Sep 15 04:48:09 ? Sep 15 04:49:05 I have a very LARGE number of contacts on my sim card....just from my previous phone that ive had for like 5 years..... But when it trys to pull em in..its like it gives up on importing them....sometimes only after a few of em Sep 15 04:49:38 oic Sep 15 04:49:48 well i only have a few Sep 15 04:50:40 an it seemed that it got the ones that i had used but failed to get the ones that i entered manually an had not used Sep 15 04:50:52 hmm Sep 15 04:50:58 might just be me Sep 15 04:51:30 slaxxin: last i tried qtopia, the only way to stop the media player was to reboot the phone Sep 15 04:51:42 ic Sep 15 04:53:05 haha Sep 15 04:53:07 note to self Sep 15 04:53:08 mwester: toolchain is an OM one Sep 15 04:53:19 sound quality on 2007.2 was better than this but it might be because im using ogg files Sep 15 04:53:43 nothing wrong with ogg files, unless they are encoded poorly Sep 15 04:54:07 Ah, ok. Now the question is: which one (old 2007.2, new 2008.8), and what special options might one need? Sep 15 04:54:08 well it was my first attempt lets put it that way Sep 15 04:54:26 slaxxin: what app did you use? Sep 15 04:54:37 i dont rember Sep 15 04:54:47 em* Sep 15 04:55:44 something on slackware Sep 15 04:56:12 no i just copy the ogg files from cd Sep 15 04:56:34 thats why i dont remember Sep 15 04:57:08 i messed with alsamixer a little Sep 15 04:57:24 sound quality is B A D Sep 15 04:58:04 sounds like a very cheap am radio from 1973 Sep 15 04:58:23 imagine that Sep 15 04:59:59 I should try using the OM toolchain... Sep 15 05:00:11 mwester: I mean OE one form ages ago Sep 15 05:00:13 from Sep 15 05:01:39 so whats the next big milestone? Sep 15 05:02:10 Well if it's OE I feel better that it's reproducable :-) I have no problem with a binary toolchain, as long as its what the primary developers are using. Sep 15 05:02:14 even after looking around i didn't see dates or feature targets Sep 15 05:02:55 haha....yea....you cant close media player....from the gui Sep 15 05:03:17 my brother and I noticed that too... is that intentional? Sep 15 05:03:32 i dunno....sounds like a job for kill -9 though Sep 15 05:03:35 something akin to like itunes always running on the iphone Sep 15 05:03:48 do a regular kill before trying the -9 :P Sep 15 05:04:01 i guess i COULD...lol Sep 15 05:05:41 hmmm...well its not really taking much cpu when you arent playing something Sep 15 05:05:49 i wonder if it survives a suspend.... Sep 15 05:07:35 booo Sep 15 05:14:08 yea we got bugs Sep 15 05:14:20 there are no bugs Sep 15 05:14:25 just unexpected features Sep 15 05:15:06 heh Sep 15 05:15:19 i agree with raster Sep 15 05:15:51 * raster unexpectedly hands ljp a beer Sep 15 05:15:54 see Sep 15 05:15:56 a "bug" Sep 15 05:15:56 :) Sep 15 05:17:18 * ljp prefers a bundaberg Sep 15 05:18:13 * raster takes the beer away ... bug-- Sep 15 05:18:27 * raster replaces the beer slot with a bundy Sep 15 05:27:11 is there a quick way to export contacts ? Sep 15 05:27:27 ah :) Sep 15 05:28:01 I will try whats on the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts page ;) Sep 15 05:30:39 * mwester googles "bundaberg" Sep 15 05:32:13 mwester: bundaberg rum Sep 15 05:42:15 queenslands finest Sep 15 05:45:30 ljp: finer that qtopia? Sep 15 05:46:58 * mwester will stick with water for now... soon it will be Monday morning, and no point in making morning worse than it has to be. Sep 15 05:49:11 WARNING: Your perl has a bug with output and UTF-8 Sep 15 05:49:27 Hrmmph. There are NO bugs in Perl. Sep 15 05:51:07 Heck, if OM had implemented 2007.2 in Perl, it would have been completed long ago. (nobody could ever maintain it, but it would have been done!) Sep 15 05:52:15 if done right - it'd be 1 regex Sep 15 05:52:28 combined with cunning use of eval() Sep 15 05:53:09 and one call to some perlgtk function. Sep 15 05:54:28 * mwester wonders if there's an enlightenment binding for Perl Sep 15 05:55:06 there are for imlib2... Sep 15 05:55:07 etk-perl? Sep 15 05:55:08 thats it Sep 15 05:55:23 new to me if there is Sep 15 05:55:23 :) Sep 15 05:55:37 efl resists becoming a regex Sep 15 05:55:44 it is highly resistant Sep 15 05:55:44 :) Sep 15 05:56:05 ;) I knew there just had to be something for you to dislike more intensely than python! Sep 15 05:57:07 nah Sep 15 05:57:13 i suspect i may hate perl less Sep 15 05:57:14 :) Sep 15 05:57:30 raster: java ? :P Sep 15 05:57:39 i think lisp is close to beating out python... Sep 15 05:57:43 actually yes Sep 15 05:57:48 java definitely beats it Sep 15 05:58:00 go lisp! Sep 15 05:58:04 :) Sep 15 05:58:05 thats a very personal level of hate between me and java Sep 15 05:58:18 lisp and haskell and other esoteric dysfunctional languages don't count.. they are anyway for academic use only Sep 15 05:58:54 yup Sep 15 05:58:55 Hmm... there are Qt bindings for Perl. I wonder if Perl could talk to the display on Qtopia? Sep 15 05:59:05 tho some people have tried to foist lisp onto us Sep 15 05:59:13 (emacs, gimp... script-fu, ....) Sep 15 05:59:40 They managed to make a darn good operating system --- er, I mean text editor with lisp. Sep 15 06:00:35 mwester: remind me.. what did emacs stand for in the beginning of it all? "Eight megabytes and constantly swapping" ? Sep 15 06:02:03 better than 'very infantile' Sep 15 06:02:37 hahahaha Sep 15 06:03:03 We need both, in truth. A computer without vi would be like an operating system without a bootloader. Sep 15 06:03:21 * hil__ considers if it's rude to copy stuff from openmoko-cdevel and paste it in openmoko Sep 15 06:03:27 i'm trying to build a custom kernel with the patches. . i've changed the linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb to include the patches in SRC_URI. the problem is that make build-package-linux builds only 2.6.21 kernel and just wouldn't go to 2.6.24. I've changed the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel to linux-openmoko and PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-openmoko to 2.6.24+git ... no luck Sep 15 06:03:28 only reason I know vi is that busybox includes it Sep 15 06:03:33 * raster considers porting emacs to a bootloader Sep 15 06:04:03 * mwester thnks it would hardly be noticed if added to u-boot Sep 15 06:04:04 * ljp considers when e17 will ever be released Sep 15 06:04:28 ljp: one... day.... :) Sep 15 06:05:18 soon Sep 15 06:06:32 ljp: well.. i was going h to dig into it... as i was an happily unemployed bum for 2 days Sep 15 06:06:40 then someone decided they needed my help :) Sep 15 06:06:50 and so i'm busy being a bit of a whore Sep 15 06:06:50 :) Sep 15 06:07:06 You're employed already - congrats (I think). Sep 15 06:07:17 and more people knocking at that door now too. i need to possibly start hiring,,, Sep 15 06:07:27 mwester: not "employed" Sep 15 06:07:33 not an employee Sep 15 06:07:39 i'm a professional whore Sep 15 06:07:46 Ah yes. Sep 15 06:07:58 (ie just get paid for my time... but.. that does not buy you my love :)) Sep 15 06:08:00 Painful when you have to do taxes (at least it was here) Sep 15 06:08:00 :) Sep 15 06:08:40 (it buys you a semblance of my love... good enough for doing the deed) Sep 15 06:08:46 hmm Sep 15 06:08:47 taxes. Sep 15 06:08:50 yes... well... Sep 15 06:08:55 that is another matter of pain. Sep 15 06:21:53 anyone :( Sep 15 06:49:25 G' morning Sep 15 06:55:43 morning Sep 15 06:55:53 ho long do your freerunners last with suspend? Sep 15 06:56:05 i have the third day now, the second with empty battery Sep 15 06:56:19 (beeing at 0% for about 36hrs now) Sep 15 07:00:27 about 3 days non use Sep 15 07:00:41 yes, okay. Sep 15 07:06:42 does anybody else have problems with gpsd (or tangogps?) not beeing able to read GPS signals in FSO-MS3? Sep 15 07:07:11 if i cat /dev/ttySAC1 i got signals, but tangogps doesnt seem to ever get that data Sep 15 07:07:24 (i adjusted the config of gpsd) Sep 15 07:32:02 after last upgrades Fdom seems broken , dialer does not work , enlg errors Sep 15 07:39:01 anyone got a /etc/opkg/trusted.gpg file? from where? Sep 15 07:39:08 hm, in FSO autosuspend does not work here Sep 15 07:45:56 good morning Sep 15 07:53:33 does anyone know how I can find out from within the Freerunner which distribution it's running (om2007.2 or om2008.8)? Sep 15 07:54:02 i thought it was om2008.8 but the screenshots on the wiki look very different from the gui on my device Sep 15 08:16:16 hm, my Xserver doesnt start anymore. Sep 15 08:16:35 moko says (terminal screen) that there is a bad checksum in jffs2 root fs Sep 15 08:16:40 can i do some sort of fsck? Sep 15 08:16:47 ehh dont need no stinkin X Sep 15 08:22:00 lpotter: do you use your moko ssh-only? ;) Sep 15 08:22:51 nope Sep 15 08:23:22 there are other ways to show a window besides X Sep 15 08:24:36 lpotter: so, tell me :D Sep 15 08:24:49 qws! Sep 15 08:27:42 wow, the pen that comes with the freerunner is amazing Sep 15 08:28:01 [#amo] Sep 15 08:32:57 Seadog: thats the best thing about it! Sep 15 08:38:42 * CM_work has lost the pen and is using a large toothpick as a stylus Sep 15 09:08:50 beni Sep 15 09:09:09 beni_: there is linux framebuffer, anything can be shown there directly Sep 15 09:09:43 but then existing x apps will be incompatible, X makes things easier Sep 15 09:34:54 hi there. can anyone (maybe a device owner) give me a raw status report on "what works and what doesnt" or provide me a link where i can read about it? it seems all the information is a little "scattered" Sep 15 09:36:36 v29a: evrythink works, if u make it work Sep 15 09:36:42 %-) Sep 15 09:36:46 i know Sep 15 09:36:52 but usually this takes time ;-) Sep 15 09:36:58 yeah it does xD Sep 15 09:37:00 what works depends on which of the 7 distros you use, and they all overlap in different ways, so you can't get everything working in any one of them :-) Sep 15 09:37:01 woot, got usb networking setup Sep 15 09:37:09 is there a text editor on the phone I can use already? Sep 15 09:37:18 Seadog: vi? Sep 15 09:37:33 rwhitby: so what is the most commonly used distro atm? Sep 15 09:37:44 v29a: 2008.8 i think Sep 15 09:37:47 there is no way of knowing Sep 15 09:37:50 Bish_: ah excellent, thanks Sep 15 09:38:19 did any distro fix the battery runtime yet? Sep 15 09:38:30 v29a: fix :D? Sep 15 09:38:33 (i.e. there are no download counts, so you have to guess based on mailing list traffic, but mailing list traffic is usually only about problems so there might be a distro that everyone uses with no problems and you'd never hear about it on the mailing list ... Sep 15 09:38:57 v29a: FSO is the best, so stop thinkin about it :P Sep 15 09:39:05 but qtopia is good, if u want to use it already as phone Sep 15 09:39:08 Bish_: well i mean "longer than 3h" ;-) Sep 15 09:39:10 but cpp and qtopia sux Sep 15 09:39:21 v29a: .. yeah in suspend xD its longer than 3h Sep 15 09:39:32 much longer :) Sep 15 09:39:44 but if u use the mobile, xD it will go down in notime Sep 15 09:39:51 you mean suspend is implemented now? Sep 15 09:39:55 uh? Sep 15 09:40:01 Bish: instead of vi, there is nano, a bit more useful with a virtual keyboard Sep 15 09:40:03 hm , suspend works for me Sep 15 09:40:14 zlfita: but nano is not installed by default Sep 15 09:40:23 zlfita: he said " that i can use already" Sep 15 09:40:38 Bish_: actualy, it was preinstalled for me Sep 15 09:40:45 zlfita: distro? Sep 15 09:40:50 FSO Sep 15 09:40:51 emacs is available in the fso feeds ... Sep 15 09:40:56 .. will test that Sep 15 09:40:58 *booting* Sep 15 09:41:05 when I try `opkg update' I get about 8 404 errors, is that normal? Sep 15 09:41:07 haha, the boot joke is funny, all the time Sep 15 09:41:13 Seadog: yeah it is Sep 15 09:41:19 vi is no go since there is no ESC on virtual keyboard Sep 15 09:41:25 Bish: so how long lasts the battery under normal usage? Sep 15 09:41:38 error is normal Sep 15 09:42:02 v29a: what is normal? Sep 15 09:42:15 error messages with opkg update Sep 15 09:42:28 Bish: .. if i use it as my regular phone + some funny stuff like pidgin on it Sep 15 09:42:31 ~9 hours Sep 15 09:42:32 v29a: * Sep 15 09:42:50 Bish: so is it normal for a brand new phone to give no updates when I run opkg upgrade ? Sep 15 09:43:16 anyone experienced problems with gpsd? Sep 15 09:43:20 if you have flashed the newest images, it's normal you don't get any updates Sep 15 09:43:36 dolf1074: I only just got it, not done any flashing Sep 15 09:43:44 i showel NMEA data throug netcat and run gpsd on my pc, it works fine Sep 15 09:43:53 if you're still on om2007.2, it's also normal you don't get any update Sep 15 09:43:54 Seadog: sometimes Sep 15 09:43:58 :D Sep 15 09:44:03 but gpsd on FR doensn't seem to work Sep 15 09:44:11 Bish: i see. think thats still pretty short :/ Sep 15 09:44:12 zlfita: ? Sep 15 09:44:26 v29a: yeah it is, but geeks like me dont move away from a usb port Sep 15 09:44:27 They don't work on om2007.2 anymore Sep 15 09:44:29 so i dont mind Sep 15 09:44:32 %-) Sep 15 09:44:53 np:Children Of Bodom - 09 - Kissing The Shadows Sep 15 09:44:54 yeoooow Sep 15 09:45:05 Bish: I cannot use gpsd on my FR Sep 15 09:45:11 well i have a little geeky setup in mind, too. but to make it work the battery has to last at least 2-3d .. Sep 15 09:45:12 zlfita: u dont get a fix? Sep 15 09:45:25 v29a: it does, in suspend :) Sep 15 09:45:39 i sometimes get a fix but that's another problem Sep 15 09:45:42 v29a: i turned the neo on, then i went to my girlfriend over the weekend, its still on Sep 15 09:45:57 zlfita: hm, more detailed information please Sep 15 09:46:03 Bish: maybe im not that sure about the terms youre using ... can it receive calls in suspend mode? Sep 15 09:46:06 even if get a fix, tangogps doesn't give anything Sep 15 09:46:07 Bish: what image? Sep 15 09:46:22 v29a: yeah it can, then it will turn on Sep 15 09:46:28 tangogps is indifferent whether i get a fix or not Sep 15 09:46:34 dolf1074: i think its still ms2 Sep 15 09:46:45 okay, FSO Sep 15 09:46:53 yeah Sep 15 09:47:00 right now im flashing ms3 Sep 15 09:47:05 also i tried "xgps 192.168.0.202" on my pc Sep 15 09:47:19 and read nothing from gpsd on FR Sep 15 09:47:21 zlfita: i think i had that problem too Sep 15 09:47:24 Bish: so the 9h period you meant before was including you playing around with it all the time? ;-) Sep 15 09:47:39 wooow :P fuck no Sep 15 09:47:42 then i used nc to shovel raw NMEA to my pc, it was fine Sep 15 09:47:51 if youre playing around it will be down even in less than a hour :D Sep 15 09:47:53 +wifi Sep 15 09:48:09 zlfita: thats strange Sep 15 09:48:18 will test it ... when my neo boots up Sep 15 09:48:43 I cannot get a fix before 15 minutes, which is also not godd but my main problem is with gpsd Sep 15 09:48:52 zlfita: which image u got? Sep 15 09:49:05 at the moment, FSO milestone 3 Sep 15 09:49:09 mh Sep 15 09:49:35 I got not fix with 2008.8, even with no SD Sep 15 09:49:37 i heard rumors that the software fixes had fixed the problems "echo while talking" and "gps fix ~3 minutes" Sep 15 09:49:59 talking works really good Sep 15 09:50:00 zlfita: i dont have a clue if theyre included in fso3 alreay Sep 15 09:50:05 if you can talk at all Sep 15 09:50:08 it doesß :D Sep 15 09:50:09 :DD Sep 15 09:50:17 wait , let me boot ms3 :P Sep 15 09:50:22 they are incluede even in new updates of 2007.2 Sep 15 09:50:33 ok, standing ny Sep 15 09:50:40 s/ny/by Sep 15 09:51:33 oh cool it stays of . without any reason Sep 15 09:52:26 sometimes does that Sep 15 09:52:52 hello, I bought the freerunner...and I don't know how to charge it...in the get started page it says to power it up...can i charge it while shut-down or in suspend mode? Sep 15 09:52:53 v29a: if youre not sure wait for gta05 Sep 15 09:52:55 reset it really hard, i.e. remove the battery and replug Sep 15 09:52:56 will be fuking great ! Sep 15 09:53:19 Gnutoo: while shutdown yes, while suspend -> dont think so but i dont have a clue Sep 15 09:53:30 Bish, thanks Sep 15 09:53:32 Bish: yep im quite unsure atm ... to buy or not to buy ;-) Sep 15 09:53:45 gta05 is the next hardware rev? Sep 15 09:54:08 by the way i've a problem with mplayer...I hear no sound and see no progression when i try to play a mms:// radio Sep 15 09:55:23 Bish: any luck with booting yet? Sep 15 09:55:52 ... let me try it again :) Sep 15 09:56:15 i've also tried the contrary: make my computer play the radio and send it to the freeruner via pulseaudio...but the freerunner is not powerfull enough to handle the stream...the stream get interrupted... Sep 15 09:56:34 zlfita: no :P Sep 15 09:57:00 Gnutoo: dont think so Oo Sep 15 09:57:07 what do u mean with "powerfull " cpu speed? Sep 15 09:57:39 zlfita: sometimes i have that problem, dunno why :D then i cant turn it on for a while Sep 15 09:59:31 Bish, yes...the cpu is used at 80% by pulseaudio... Sep 15 09:59:42 Gnutoo: dont use pulseaudio :P Sep 15 09:59:57 gnu{-: that will get better in GTA03 - with the faster CPU, it should only use 60% Sep 15 09:59:59 im just kidding, thought arm would handle that Sep 15 10:00:07 fuck yeah gta03 ! Sep 15 10:00:23 03 doesn't have a faster cpu... Sep 15 10:00:30 mjr: I thought it did. Sep 15 10:00:39 it has the same cpu Sep 15 10:00:41 * ShellEvil demands a refund! Sep 15 10:00:43 but anyway, yeah, pulseaudio, some nice features for our use, but way not optimized enough Sep 15 10:00:44 ... no Sep 15 10:00:51 its faster.. because it runs at 500 mhz Sep 15 10:00:58 in gta03 Sep 15 10:01:05 does it? Well, okay. Sep 15 10:01:07 I thought the existing one was unstable at 500 on 02 for some reason. Sep 15 10:01:31 yes, for the surrounding circuitry being specced for the lower freq only Sep 15 10:01:48 but yeah, I suppose it's logical since they're redoing that to also bump up the max freq Sep 15 10:02:03 I just hadn't heard it from an official source Sep 15 10:02:12 well, even semi-official rumours, you know Sep 15 10:02:23 ShellEvil: ..the cpu was invented for 500 mhz Sep 15 10:02:33 but OM slowed it down for some reason :P? Sep 15 10:03:02 Bish, the board was designed for a lower-clock revision of the cpu, but that's not produced anymore Sep 15 10:03:15 so they just run it a bit underclocked Sep 15 10:03:18 yeah thats it :) Sep 15 10:03:59 Bish: you meant i should wait für gta03 or gta05? Sep 15 10:04:10 05, absolutely Sep 15 10:04:16 you don't want to miss out on the new features! Sep 15 10:04:33 are there any estimation when 05 will be out? Sep 15 10:04:37 v29a: yeah i will buy all of them Sep 15 10:04:53 2083 Sep 15 10:04:53 gotta catch em all ? Sep 15 10:05:06 yeah :D Sep 15 10:05:18 * mjr has bought both so far, but _probably_ not going for 03 Sep 15 10:05:45 Bish: i'll be out for lunch for half an hur, still interesdted in your gps adventure if you can boot your unit Sep 15 10:05:55 i mean are there any raw dates given when 05 will hit the market? Sep 15 10:06:06 v29a, lemmethinkno Sep 15 10:06:07 v29a: 2011 I'd be surprised at. Sep 15 10:06:09 v29a: oh fuck no :p Sep 15 10:06:17 kk %-) Sep 15 10:06:27 i would be suprised if gta03 comes 2010 xD Sep 15 10:06:36 i see Sep 15 10:06:42 nah, 09 is a realistic target for 03 I think Sep 15 10:06:50 if I'm upgrading to 2008.8 OM, do I need to flash the boot loader too? Sep 15 10:06:54 since it isn't a major update Sep 15 10:07:18 zlfita: i think i broke my gta02 :D Sep 15 10:07:27 cant turn it on :D Sep 15 10:07:35 mjr: whats realistic for gta04? Sep 15 10:07:36 (okay, different gsm chip may affect some delay) Sep 15 10:07:43 man i will be happy bout gta04 Sep 15 10:07:47 Bish, no idea whatsoever Sep 15 10:08:02 its like a fukin iphone + foss Sep 15 10:08:19 I would _so_ like it to have umts finally, but phone umts chipsets are still not very friendly to openness Sep 15 10:09:06 yeah i know.. then buy closed chips and let some reverseengeneers do their work Sep 15 10:10:08 Bish, so if i don't use pulseaudio on the phone...how can i send it the audio from my computer...with reasonable latency? Sep 15 10:10:18 Bish: if c++ and qtopia suck. why is it the best and most useful phone guis? Sep 15 10:10:19 ShellEvil, ok Sep 15 10:10:43 lpotter: Qt and Python ? Sep 15 10:10:46 * Tm_T hides Sep 15 10:10:53 lpotter: now you're asking for consistency in opinion in an IRC channel ;-) Sep 15 10:11:00 lpotter: because trolltech did all the work Sep 15 10:11:10 for fuking no reason :P Sep 15 10:11:45 lpotter, your not exactly independant are you? :p Sep 15 10:12:18 of course not, but i just wanted to substantiate his statement Sep 15 10:12:21 np:Bob Marley & The Wailers - Africa Unite Sep 15 10:12:28 africa uneit Sep 15 10:13:40 i wonder if my gta02 will boot today Sep 15 10:15:18 anyone having problems with youtube and netscape-flash under X86_64? Sep 15 10:16:15 Bish: works fine for me here Sep 15 10:16:53 it is always unstable for linux but it works fine most of the time Sep 15 10:17:14 dumb question: can i charge gta02 via usb? Sep 15 10:17:22 doing it now Sep 15 10:18:56 dns53: it works always, but i cant watch jewtube :( Sep 15 10:19:07 v29a: oO .. u just can charge it via usb Sep 15 10:19:08 read the wiki Sep 15 10:21:37 i'll ask in the mplayer channel....because mabe it's settings related Sep 15 10:22:24 Bish: i doing that atm. but i cannot even manage to find the status page on power management i read a month ago :/ Sep 15 10:22:41 v29a: wait, u own a gta02? :D Sep 15 10:27:03 openmoko is still now booting Sep 15 10:27:04 what the Sep 15 10:27:42 your battery is flat? Sep 15 10:28:00 my FSO flash from today does not go into auto suspend mode Sep 15 10:28:04 is that expected? Sep 15 10:28:25 suspend does not always work on any image Sep 15 10:28:54 dns53: .. think so Sep 15 10:29:06 Bish: ?! Sep 15 10:29:36 Bish: no i dont ... i am currently worring if i should buy one now or wait a little longer ... Sep 15 10:30:04 v29a: if you hope for a usable phone, the second. Sep 15 10:30:24 It's really not at the moment on any random image. Sep 15 10:30:40 It may function in limited ways on picked images, or for expert users. Sep 15 10:31:44 ShellEvil: well i would want to use it as a phone ... not yet with all the neat features it has Sep 15 10:32:01 ShellEvil: ie receive/send sms + calls Sep 15 10:32:05 It's not really a usable phone in general yet. Sep 15 10:32:16 It may work on some images. Sep 15 10:33:14 uh ... as far as i understood the wiki it should work already? Sep 15 10:33:18 dns53: .. think so Sep 15 10:34:26 well i guess ill just come back here in 1-2 months ;-) Sep 15 10:34:32 thanks for your time Sep 15 10:34:41 manual suspend works here, ie pressing [power] for about 2-3 secs and then releasing Sep 15 10:36:23 I wonder if qtopia has a twitter client. Sep 15 10:40:05 FSO m3 never suspended for me Sep 15 10:40:18 Qtopia is quiet stable about suspending Sep 15 10:40:27 not perfect, though Sep 15 10:40:45 MrShleee: only if you write one :) Sep 15 10:41:15 Bish: any luck yet? Sep 15 10:41:26 lpotter: I'm looking into it. just a commandline thing atm Sep 15 10:41:42 my NOR flash is blank by the way, i'm scared like hell when I'm flashing Sep 15 10:41:56 and I can't change my uboot, obviously Sep 15 10:43:31 :D Sep 15 10:43:46 Qtopia has afew issues with calls.. Doesn't hang up but the gui is blank Sep 15 10:44:01 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rc62c66017ca9 10/packages/wpa-supplicant/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [wpa-supplicant] add the dbus service and conf files with a small patch Sep 15 11:04:48 hi Sep 15 11:05:18 what shell is used in OpenMoko distributions? how can I declare variables local to a function in it? Sep 15 11:06:24 i think they just use bash Sep 15 11:06:45 /bin/sh Sep 15 11:07:26 typeset gives me an error Sep 15 11:07:35 BusyBox v1.9.1 (2008-09-04 08:23:57 CST) multi-call binary Sep 15 11:08:01 ah, busybox... Sep 15 11:09:03 * hipitihop waves good evening to the residents Sep 15 11:09:05 echo $SHELL Sep 15 11:09:53 if busybox's sh makes you feeel like stabbing someone, might i make a suggestion? Sep 15 11:10:03 sure Sep 15 11:10:16 my sister joan. Sep 15 11:10:28 stab her Sep 15 11:10:30 ieatlint: thats a bit unfair :-) Sep 15 11:10:50 XorA|hols, oh no, it's quite fair Sep 15 11:11:00 ieatlint: who's older? Sep 15 11:11:11 she is -- by 26 years Sep 15 11:11:34 ieatlint: no, you should warn her busybox now owns her life, then its fair :-) Sep 15 11:13:39 heh Sep 15 11:14:38 sorry... i'm in the midst of the first anniversary of my father's death, and as the comments would make... there are some hard feelings between that sister and i (and everyone else who knows the details) Sep 15 11:16:10 ieatlint: ok, its forgivable then Sep 15 11:16:54 ieatlint: IRC people are great to vent at for that sort of thing, because we cant get involved Sep 15 11:17:29 indeed Sep 15 11:17:37 nor can lawyers find you Sep 15 11:17:48 :-D Sep 15 11:18:21 families are funny things, cant live with them, not allowed to kill em! Sep 15 11:18:30 ok, typeset in busybox = local :-) Sep 15 11:18:34 heh, that wasn't supposed to be about stabbing people, it's because there's an ongoing court case Sep 15 11:24:27 darn, i read bullcrap from /dev/ttySAC1 Sep 15 11:25:14 what I read is not always alphanumeric, occasionally some crappy random binary sh*t Sep 15 11:25:24 something wrong with serial port Sep 15 11:25:41 that's the gps? Sep 15 11:25:49 yes, gps Sep 15 11:25:56 ... the gps can output in a binary mode... Sep 15 11:26:05 it's supposed to give text Sep 15 11:26:23 its default mode is ascii nmea data, yes Sep 15 11:26:47 i'm just saying if you're getting binary data, i wouldn't jump to blaming the serial connection or software interface Sep 15 11:27:01 and that what it's supposed to do when it's powered on, just NMEA data Sep 15 11:27:28 How are you gentlemen? Sep 15 11:27:47 and ladies :P Sep 15 11:28:24 for a brief moment, I feared Dave would say "all your base are belong to us" Sep 15 11:28:30 Dave, no one in here seems ameniable to stabbing someone for me Sep 15 11:28:43 hello Sep 15 11:28:47 Who do you seek? Sep 15 11:29:03 and for what purpose? Sep 15 11:29:04 would android software (including OS) run on openmoko? Sep 15 11:29:10 ... someone with a good stabbing arm Sep 15 11:29:23 Direct my wrath! Sep 15 11:29:33 android is arm 5, the moko is arm 4 Sep 15 11:29:39 so no Sep 15 11:29:39 sledgeas: uh, openmoko is the software stack Sep 15 11:29:50 sorry, ronny, on FR Sep 15 11:29:51 sledgeas, koolu says google will release android for the freerunner Sep 15 11:30:02 hot Sep 15 11:30:14 it'll probably overheat, actually :P Sep 15 11:30:19 ;D Sep 15 11:30:32 Anyhoo, where's my nextbus, bitch? :P Sep 15 11:30:50 where you left it Sep 15 11:30:56 android would be recompiled for arm4 if it would go open. so google will never make it open? Sep 15 11:31:26 they have suggested it will be apache licence when they release it Sep 15 11:31:38 woo Sep 15 11:32:26 maybe android is just vaporware :P Sep 15 11:32:33 hahaha Sep 15 11:32:34 you wish ;p Sep 15 11:32:48 fuck, for all we know, nukem will be released on android! Sep 15 11:32:52 it's closed sourceware so far, except the kernel mods Sep 15 11:32:53 along with p6, and other things :P Sep 15 11:32:59 it is vaporware till they release it Sep 15 11:33:05 like sc2 Sep 15 11:33:08 :p Sep 15 11:33:37 apache license => mabe it will be free for the freerunner but i doubt that the phones companies gives the source...but as it runs under GNU/linux we would have the kernel sources and mabe we could port the openmoko stack(FSO) on theses phones... Sep 15 11:34:08 That seems very likely. Sep 15 11:34:40 Why not concentrate on the freerunner now, which is what we are doing :) Sep 15 11:35:29 I bought the freerunner,despite of it not having: 3g and webcam because it is and will be the best supported phone... Sep 15 11:40:49 Amen Gnutoo, and the fact that WE might support it ourselves. Sep 15 11:44:36 I need to do a shop offering a freerunner with guaranteed support. Sep 15 11:44:53 That's a rather hefty service right there :p Sep 15 11:44:54 (with a coupon for construction of a large concrete plinth) Sep 15 11:45:02 :o Sep 15 11:46:20 does illume-config take ages to install or is it just me? Sep 15 11:47:19 it does Sep 15 11:47:42 excellent Sep 15 11:49:21 ze germans Sep 15 11:50:00 Ken Young! Sep 15 11:50:09 hide the cookies Sep 15 11:50:16 :p Sep 15 11:51:01 Hi Dave - I uploaded a new version of orrery to the gForge site which has significant improvements and bug fixes. Sep 15 11:51:22 Hooray! Sep 15 11:51:31 I can't wait to check it out :D Sep 15 11:51:43 Thanks. Sep 15 11:51:56 oh, I have that on my to-install list Sep 15 11:52:04 It just occurred to me, I only seem to have an inclination to test your software at nighttime, does that seem logical to you? ;) Sep 15 11:52:12 Seadog :) Sep 15 11:53:31 I'm happy if the code gets tested at any time. Sep 15 11:53:39 :) Sep 15 11:54:18 illume-config caused a system timeout when installing >_> Sep 15 11:54:54 boo Sep 15 11:55:12 will installing it ssh work better? Sep 15 11:55:20 via* Sep 15 11:55:29 I don't see how it would differ. Sep 15 11:55:42 what's a system timeout? Sep 15 11:56:11 dunno, it just said it took too long Sep 15 11:57:20 o_o Sep 15 11:57:22 Seadog, i had the same problem with the ui installer, use cmd line instead. Sep 15 11:57:27 cute Sep 15 11:57:37 Oh, hah, yeah Sep 15 12:05:10 Dave: was that joker laugh? Sep 15 12:05:13 Hi. I'm trying the FDOM. Where should I put my *.ogg files to have them played by the mediaplayer ? Sep 15 12:05:19 haha Sep 15 12:05:37 I wasn't intending it to be, no :P Sep 15 12:05:40 hehe Sep 15 12:06:09 i like that laugh in the dark knight Sep 15 12:06:12 liked* Sep 15 12:06:49 yeah :D Sep 15 12:07:22 mokoaide? Sep 15 12:07:27 sounds like a terrible softdrink Sep 15 12:07:52 :) Sep 15 12:08:15 :P Sep 15 12:08:47 Mokoaide! Made in spain! Sep 15 12:09:30 does fso m3 have proper feeds yet Sep 15 12:10:26 hippityhop! Sep 15 12:10:38 Dave! Sep 15 12:10:44 oh snap, seeing you just reminded me I should update my tango friends Sep 15 12:10:45 :D Sep 15 12:11:01 hipitihop: nope Sep 15 12:11:13 oh, and yeah, knowing about fso3 would be good too :) Sep 15 12:11:42 I really can't stand this 6-7minute boot time Sep 15 12:12:24 has anyone managed to get wifi working on 2008.8? Sep 15 12:12:34 I believe so, yes. Sep 15 12:12:35 Seadog: i did Sep 15 12:12:46 Bish, did you play with wpasupplicant? Sep 15 12:12:56 Dave: .. yeah what else? Sep 15 12:12:59 heh Sep 15 12:13:03 I don't know! Sep 15 12:13:07 That's why I was asking ;) Sep 15 12:13:12 iwlist eth0 scanning Sep 15 12:13:13 fuck yeah Sep 15 12:13:19 heh Sep 15 12:13:33 THE BORG ARE SCANNING YOU... WITH FREERUNNERS! Sep 15 12:13:48 cool Sep 15 12:14:06 resistance is futile Sep 15 12:14:08 They're in your repository, assimilating your code! Sep 15 12:15:30 hm, my tangogps does not read any gps signal data Sep 15 12:15:47 anyone out there got tangogps working in fso ms3 Sep 15 12:15:48 ? Sep 15 12:16:30 Is there any *updated* website that shows current problems with 2008.8? Sep 15 12:16:38 Dave: maybe Sep 15 12:16:43 Daramarak2: maybe.. the wiki? Sep 15 12:16:46 have thought about that? Sep 15 12:17:17 Daramarak2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 Sep 15 12:17:57 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7361250ba509f86dd27dc21332e6f6d6.png Sep 15 12:18:12 "dukeGPS"..... can you imagine? :) Sep 15 12:18:17 Daramarak2: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/om2008.8%20review Sep 15 12:18:44 Is the wiki really updated? Sep 15 12:26:36 o_O Sep 15 12:26:43 igor, what? :P What page is that on? Sep 15 12:27:40 are there any terminals that work in 2008.8? I tried xterm and it doesn't give me a keyboard, and I tried the openmoko one but it won't install Sep 15 12:28:24 Where should I put my *.ogg files to have them played by the mediaplayer ? Sep 15 12:29:04 It won't? Sep 15 12:29:07 ahah, had to install it via the commandline Sep 15 12:29:18 OdyX i think you need a vfat formatted sd card, though i'm not sure Sep 15 12:29:41 dns53: not possible to start any music scp'ed on the flash ? Sep 15 12:30:13 i have no idea Sep 15 12:30:22 also, how do I stop this silly predictive text when I'm trying to use the terminal xD ? Sep 15 12:30:40 Seadog: install/use the "terminal" keyboard Sep 15 12:30:51 change the kbd Sep 15 12:33:24 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install illume-keyboard-terminal Sep 15 12:33:25 An error ocurred, return value: 2. Sep 15 12:33:26 :/ Sep 15 12:34:10 I gues no internet: try: ping google.com Sep 15 12:34:15 works fine Sep 15 12:34:16 ;D Sep 15 12:34:31 then the package doesn't exists Sep 15 12:35:07 then the wiki lies Sep 15 12:35:23 I will look if it exist Sep 15 12:36:17 it's illume-keyboards-terminal Sep 15 12:36:55 with an S in keyboardS Sep 15 12:48:10 woot, got wifi to work Sep 15 12:48:48 twice? Sep 15 12:49:19 I can only connect one time, after that I have to reboot.. Sep 15 12:49:31 dunno, not tried again Sep 15 12:50:00 Richy: I can get my wifi (with wpa) up as many times I want. But I need to do 'ifdown eth0' and 'ifup eth0' in the terminal Sep 15 12:50:16 It doesn't work with the wifi settings in the settings application Sep 15 12:50:37 dolf1074: thanks for the hint, I will be trying this next time Sep 15 12:58:14 how do you make it connect to your wireless network when the phone boots? Sep 15 12:58:25 instead of when I run the init script? Sep 15 13:14:48 Tanuva :o Sep 15 13:15:15 well, how can i return 2008.8 from suspend? Sep 15 13:15:21 pressing power doesnt workl Sep 15 13:15:39 remove battery Sep 15 13:16:07 viq: that requires reboot, which is not wake from suspend Sep 15 13:18:33 If power button doesn't work, I don't think you can wake it up Sep 15 13:30:50 argh damn suspend Sep 15 13:31:29 beni_: damn bridge? Sep 15 13:35:42 Bish: tested manual suspend/resume from 2008.8-update but that dont work either. Sep 15 13:35:54 :D Sep 15 13:36:00 2008.08-update is TEH suck Sep 15 13:36:22 Workds For Me. what's the problem? Sep 15 13:36:27 -d Sep 15 13:36:47 it freezes all the time and stuff Sep 15 13:36:49 doesnt matter Sep 15 13:36:51 ms3 is great Sep 15 13:44:19 anyone here who got his freerunner from pulster.de today? Sep 15 13:44:57 Is anybody able to get gestures recognised in FDOM ? Sep 15 13:45:47 Weiss: reawake doesnt work Sep 15 13:46:00 If i pushthe power button, nothing happens Sep 15 13:46:36 beni_: hmm.. i had some issues when i had screen dimming turned on. i don't use that feature though, so i keep it turned off and it works fine... Sep 15 13:46:38 bipak: I though they were supposed to get new freerunners *to* pulster today. Sep 15 13:47:00 beni_: so perhaps try disabling auto-suspend and screen blanking to see what happens.. Sep 15 13:47:00 Weiss: i will test that. Sep 15 13:47:02 Daramarak2: yes, but i got a mail on saterday that he sent it out Sep 15 13:47:38 but it didn't arrive today.. so I'm wondering how he shipped it.. dhl, ups Sep 15 13:48:00 bipak: Exiting, I am waiting for mine too :) Sep 15 13:48:05 bipak: today is monday, so be patient. Sep 15 13:48:12 tomorrow it will be in your hands. Sep 15 13:48:13 beni_: i know... i cant wait! Sep 15 13:48:14 :D Sep 15 13:48:35 Daramarak2: :D Sep 15 13:49:03 I get the feeling I used to get the night before christmas as a child :D Sep 15 13:49:12 Weiss: ok turned off dimming stuff. Sep 15 13:49:12 yes.. thats true :) Sep 15 13:49:25 my sleep wasn't good tonight *g* Sep 15 13:49:36 no, i pressed too long. shutting down now :/ Sep 15 13:49:38 like a child, as you say Sep 15 13:50:16 I didn't think grownups was allowed to feel that way :) Sep 15 14:04:29 Weiss: hasn't worked. Sep 15 14:04:48 maybe i have configured something wrong. How do i disable that dimming? Sep 15 14:05:25 beni_: hmmm... i installed illume-config, where there are some extra configuration settings Sep 15 14:05:46 Weiss: you should get an extra icon in the top menu Sep 15 14:06:20 beni_: i have my FR set up so that it doesn't go to sleep at all unless i press the button. this isn't a great idea in the long-run because it means my battery will go flat if someone rings and i don't notice Sep 15 14:18:22 hey there, i got this weird batter picture in gtk, it',s a red battery with and exclamation mark in it. what does it mean? Sep 15 14:18:24 http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3651/86577991lt4.png Sep 15 14:18:28 top right Sep 15 14:18:34 heh, well today my alarm set for 8:35 is going off at 10:18 Sep 15 14:18:48 it seems to just pick a random time to go off Sep 15 14:26:31 johnsu01: is this a problem for all FRs? Sep 15 14:27:16 Daramarak2: No idea, this is with Qtopia. Sep 15 14:33:51 somebody here with gtk skills ? Sep 15 14:34:14 gtk_button_set_image(button1,img);gtk_button_set_image(button2,img); Sep 15 14:34:31 but only button2 has the image ... button1 shows up empty Sep 15 14:37:59 Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_button_set_image: assertion `image == NULL || GTK_IS_WIDGET (image)' failed Sep 15 14:38:20 hmm .. why is that image empty when using it on the second button ? Sep 15 14:46:56 how can i install apps in openmoko? Sep 15 14:47:16 the latest build (from today) looks quite interesting from the usability side Sep 15 14:47:22 but comes with no app installed Sep 15 14:47:31 What distribution? Sep 15 14:47:36 2008.8? Sep 15 14:47:41 yes Sep 15 14:48:00 you can always install things via opkg on the command-line Sep 15 14:48:07 e.g. opkg install Sep 15 14:48:09 ok Sep 15 14:49:44 * Could not obtain administrative lock Sep 15 14:49:59 root 1321 0.3 2.5 22788 3240 ? S 11:06 0:00 /usr/sbin/packagekitd Sep 15 14:50:02 yes Sep 15 14:50:06 kill this process Sep 15 14:51:44 hi Sep 15 14:53:33 Hello Sep 15 14:53:49 hello dave Sep 15 14:54:23 GREETINGS MORTAL Sep 15 14:55:16 oh my dave °.° Sep 15 14:56:07 :D Sep 15 14:58:53 which pkg should i install to have a virtual keyboard? Sep 15 15:00:06 hey there, i got this weird batter picture in gtk, it',s a red battery with and exclamation mark in it. what does it mean? Sep 15 15:00:08 http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3651/86577991lt4.png Sep 15 15:00:12 re paste Sep 15 15:00:37 johnsu01, where did you get an alarm clock from? Sep 15 15:00:51 sounds like an empty battery for me *g* Sep 15 15:00:54 TAsn: It's in the released Qtopia image Sep 15 15:01:06 johnsu01, cool. Sep 15 15:01:09 bipak, can't be Sep 15 15:01:30 im currently using fso on the sd Sep 15 15:01:32 and it says it's 3/4 full Sep 15 15:01:39 furthermore, trying to charge in the 2007 image won't do it anymore. Sep 15 15:03:38 doo doo Sep 15 15:03:45 Tasn, you're kidding right? Sep 15 15:03:51 it's the critical battery icon Sep 15 15:03:51 * zipo is playing "Steve Earle - Telephone Road" with Amarok Sep 15 15:04:01 TAsn: ok, was just a guess ;) Sep 15 15:04:07 Dave, which means? Sep 15 15:04:31 It's presumably going to shut off soon Sep 15 15:04:38 i c Sep 15 15:04:40 unless you connect it to a power source Sep 15 15:04:44 well the bat is full Sep 15 15:04:51 then it's full of shit Sep 15 15:04:55 and i tried connecting it to power source, still no go. Sep 15 15:04:56 you should try to resync the battery info Sep 15 15:05:01 or force it rather Sep 15 15:05:05 what does "no go" mean? Sep 15 15:05:12 what did you expect to happen Sep 15 15:05:26 If you are CERTAIN the battery life is not what the meter reports it to be Sep 15 15:05:37 then connect to power source; remove battery while it's on, then replace Sep 15 15:05:44 this typically forces it to reread the battery info Sep 15 15:06:00 In other words, the power meter may correct adjust Sep 15 15:06:03 correctly Sep 15 15:06:10 i can remove the battery while the device is connected to powersource? Sep 15 15:06:34 absolutely Sep 15 15:06:38 it doesn't NEED a battery Sep 15 15:06:42 this is a hotswap Sep 15 15:06:48 just make sure the device is powered on Sep 15 15:06:53 and connect it to a power source Sep 15 15:06:56 it will be fine :) Sep 15 15:07:04 Dave, btw, i booted the device many times since then ;\ Sep 15 15:07:09 so long as the device is powered on and connected, you can always remove the battery Sep 15 15:07:13 well anyhow, i will try that. Sep 15 15:07:16 Tasn, it may not matter Sep 15 15:07:18 try it anyway :) Sep 15 15:07:19 but it pulls more than 500mA while sending on gsm and/or with gps/wifi turned on Sep 15 15:07:23 Dave, i will. Sep 15 15:07:26 heh Sep 15 15:07:28 TAsn: on the GTA02, yes --- NEVER remove the battery while you have the GTA01 plugged into any external power source. :) Sep 15 15:07:30 see what happens! Sep 15 15:07:36 after installing moko-theme and moko-engine should i do something to use them? Sep 15 15:07:40 mwester, wah wah :P Sep 15 15:07:54 pancake, restart x, or reboot? Sep 15 15:07:58 ok Sep 15 15:08:03 presumably restarting X might be enough, I am not sure Sep 15 15:08:04 i will try Sep 15 15:08:07 but worth a try Sep 15 15:08:08 Dave, where can i get the openmoko-contacts (gtk2007) app for fso from? Sep 15 15:08:16 I have no idea :) Sep 15 15:08:24 currently, I'd say nowhere Sep 15 15:08:30 is there a spanish dictionary app for the Neo somewhere? Sep 15 15:08:34 There is apparently still no repo for fso3 o_O Sep 15 15:08:45 Dave, im using testing. Sep 15 15:08:45 ;0 Sep 15 15:08:49 fredrin, yes Sep 15 15:08:52 Tasn, heh Sep 15 15:08:57 well, that's what you get! :D Sep 15 15:08:57 where can i get the ipk for 2007? i will just try that. Sep 15 15:09:02 oh oh Sep 15 15:09:08 uhh from the downloads.om repo? Sep 15 15:09:17 oh Sep 15 15:09:25 you're saying because it no longer exists? :P Sep 15 15:10:30 i didn't know that. ;0 Sep 15 15:10:39 how do i exit kobo deluxe+ Sep 15 15:10:39 ? Sep 15 15:10:47 rofl Sep 15 15:10:56 Task Manager -> Terminate ? Sep 15 15:11:01 I don't know, is this in FSO? Sep 15 15:11:06 yeah. Sep 15 15:11:08 I am unfamiliar with that. Sep 15 15:11:11 can't reach task bar. Sep 15 15:11:13 :) Sep 15 15:11:15 aha Sep 15 15:11:17 switch out? Sep 15 15:11:21 im trying to loose Sep 15 15:11:25 im just too damn good ;l Sep 15 15:11:28 I have no idea what the AUX functionality is in FSO Sep 15 15:11:30 haha Sep 15 15:11:33 retarded Sep 15 15:11:40 there is no functionality in fso Sep 15 15:11:51 no!!! Sep 15 15:11:59 i got close Sep 15 15:12:10 you just have to die Sep 15 15:12:45 * Tanuva is wondering why illume does lock on aux on 08.8 but not on fso Sep 15 15:12:55 haha, Infoport Sep 15 15:13:02 heh Sep 15 15:13:13 Tanuva, funky behavior Sep 15 15:13:38 kill. Sep 15 15:14:11 killall unbelievers Sep 15 15:14:13 opkg remove task-openmoko-games Sep 15 15:14:13 Removing package task-openmoko-games from root... Sep 15 15:15:29 fso is weird Sep 15 15:15:35 i mean zohne Sep 15 15:18:30 Dave, wish me luck Sep 15 15:18:33 trying your hack Sep 15 15:21:33 dave Sep 15 15:21:36 that didn't work Sep 15 15:21:41 it just shut off my moko Sep 15 15:21:55 for some reason it won't see the power supply in gtk anymore. Sep 15 15:24:56 i see the problem gtk just won't read the acpi equivalent for probing battery power so it can't even sense it's plugged so it won't turn on charging. Sep 15 15:25:03 (that's my educated guess) Sep 15 15:26:00 "i'm sorry i can't do that dave" Sep 15 15:49:01 Anyone know how to tell if Qtopia is doing fast or slow charge, without going to the command line? Sep 15 15:52:33 I don't think it differentiates charging graphically at all. Sep 15 15:55:01 i plugged the headphone in Sep 15 15:55:04 then out Sep 15 15:55:10 but sound didnt return Sep 15 15:55:22 how can i let it return manually? Sep 15 15:55:22 haw Sep 15 15:55:27 maybe it's still in there! Sep 15 15:55:33 It's all an illusion! Sep 15 15:55:33 its not :) Sep 15 15:55:39 stop makin jokes please:0 Sep 15 15:57:09 holy *** on a sandwich Sep 15 15:57:17 i installed the original firefox 3.0 on my neo ! Sep 15 15:59:28 Bish: i think this is a known bug Sep 15 16:00:29 alsamixer should let you do that... don't ask me which bar Sep 15 16:00:56 no.. its not alsamier Sep 15 16:01:08 nothing changed when i plugged on that thing Sep 15 16:01:20 Bish: reboot Sep 15 16:01:36 bumbl: .. yeah but i dont want to reboot anytime i use the headphone Sep 15 16:03:30 speaking of alsamixer Sep 15 16:03:39 why'd the sound stop working on my pc :D Sep 15 16:04:02 haha Sep 15 16:04:27 I think I may have accidentally removed some [necessary] alsa packages :P Sep 15 16:04:29 or something o_O Sep 15 16:05:59 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r589f744d780f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up assassin version to 244 Sep 15 16:06:14 it's Bish's headphones that broke sound both on his neo and your pc Sep 15 16:07:21 really stupid question: how do I close programs in 2008.8? Sep 15 16:07:32 * tdobson hates feeling noobish Sep 15 16:08:43 :D Sep 15 16:08:47 Someone just asked that. Sep 15 16:08:54 They were equally as bewildered. Sep 15 16:09:00 hahaha Sep 15 16:09:06 tdobson: kill -9 Sep 15 16:09:20 Bish: haha Sep 15 16:09:29 * tdobson greps his logs Sep 15 16:09:34 hehh Sep 15 16:09:36 sucky Sep 15 16:09:47 "hey guyse im buying a developer-mobilephone, and i cant close programs" Sep 15 16:10:02 o_O Sep 15 16:10:03 uhh no Sep 15 16:10:06 push the down-arrow .. and u will see a "remove-button" Sep 15 16:10:07 Tasn, return. Sep 15 16:10:35 hi, the example toolchain has a sample with a gtk application. Is there any sample for nice black 2008.08 applications? Sep 15 16:10:46 yeah there should be one Sep 15 16:12:00 Bish: cheers Sep 15 16:12:20 I saw the button but I thought it refferred to the whole of the drop down menu and meant hide etc. Sep 15 16:12:25 but that's anyway :) Sep 15 16:12:47 yeah remove sounds kinda shoking what? Sep 15 16:13:07 its like "flash nor/xor" Sep 15 16:13:16 oh goddammit there is nor xor Sep 15 16:13:20 nand Sep 15 16:32:49 does anyone here know Sep 15 16:33:07 which package contains icons for vagalume? Sep 15 16:43:21 hello, i'm trying to connect the openmoko to another phone(motorola) using rfcomm...on the openmoko i do rfcomm connect 0,then it ask for a passphrase on the motorola phone...then says: verification of the pin...then pin invalid...but that's the same pin than in hcid.conf of the openmoko...what could be the cause? Sep 15 16:49:54 if i use my laptop instead of the openmoko it works... Sep 15 16:51:58 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rad22ce58516c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up to 398dfc8513a3a7429d23a1e66a7019fc8e28aafc Sep 15 17:14:37 is this a live channel? Sep 15 17:14:59 what is a live channel? Sep 15 17:15:08 a channel that is not dead Sep 15 17:15:15 ah jetz Sep 15 17:15:17 lol Sep 15 17:15:18 yes Sep 15 17:15:20 it's alive when people is at the keyboard ^^ Sep 15 17:15:22 the channel lives Sep 15 17:15:31 the channel is mostly alot alive Sep 15 17:15:32 :> Sep 15 17:15:38 great Sep 15 17:16:03 I just booted up om2008.8 "stable" for the first time Sep 15 17:16:44 sorry, second. It already crashed once :) Sep 15 17:16:48 anyone for my bluetooth problem on the openmoko? Sep 15 17:17:27 Gnutoo, my neo work fine with bluetooth Sep 15 17:17:50 diego, ok did you try connecting with your neo to another phone using rfcomm? Sep 15 17:18:23 i don't have another phone with bt Sep 15 17:19:07 try to remove the pin (just for testint) Sep 15 17:19:48 or try to enter with 0000 Sep 15 17:20:00 (sometimes 0000 means no pin) Sep 15 17:20:01 diego, ah ok...so you connected your computer to your neo...by the way...there is no obex server on GNU/linux that we could use ? Sep 15 17:20:07 diego, ah ok i'll try Sep 15 17:20:56 i connected neo to a couple gps bt Sep 15 17:21:01 diego, 0000 doesn't work...but what's that pin? Sep 15 17:21:55 some phone ask for pin even if not requested by other end, in this case 0000 make the trick (some times) Sep 15 17:22:21 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r22877bb1abab 10/fsod/ (15 files in 3 dirs): start work on fsod, frameworkd Sep 15 17:22:21 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcfaea0eb4119 10/fsod/ (6 files in 3 dirs): add initial subsystem manager and vapi's Sep 15 17:22:23 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r84df58688ea9 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (42 files in 10 dirs): replicate Device subsystem structure from odeviced Sep 15 17:22:24 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re84e65cae7d2 10/fsod/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix build errors Sep 15 17:22:26 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r63103c55c366 10/fsod/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add helpers.vala Sep 15 17:22:29 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r53e8d27a0297 10/fsod/src/Makefile.am: add Makefile.am Sep 15 17:22:32 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r547ef045012c 10/fsod/ (12 files in 5 dirs): Initial Device subsystem with input plugin. Others to follow Sep 15 17:23:29 diego, mabe i should change the neo's Local device class? Sep 15 17:23:32 btw if with your laptop works, i suggest to compare carefully configuration files on neo and laptop Sep 15 17:24:17 dunno, i've always used rfcomm connection (no obex or other fancy things) Sep 15 17:25:23 Hi All, Sep 15 17:25:24 I am unable to get output on my Freerunner's speakers Sep 15 17:25:24 I'm able to get audio if the headphones are connected (and held at a weird position) Sep 15 17:25:30 Does anyone else have this problem? Sep 15 17:26:00 I run Qtopia and Debian, and this problem exists in both Sep 15 17:26:09 shanka, check alsamixer Sep 15 17:27:03 diego: Yeah did that a few minutes back, was overwhelmed by the number of options! Sep 15 17:27:15 i know ... Sep 15 17:27:58 What should Speaker Playback ZC be? Sep 15 17:28:01 it's off in my case Sep 15 17:28:17 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3bdd1fa3bdcf 10/fsod/Makefile.am: Add DBus policy file Sep 15 17:28:33 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4481a36d99d8 10/fsod/etc/ (dbus-1/system.d/fsod.conf fsod.conf): Add DBus policy file Sep 15 17:29:00 does anybody know how to check usb-status in FSO? Sep 15 17:29:09 modprove/g_ether/whatever? Sep 15 17:29:17 I can't ssh in into FSO ms3 (clean flash-) Sep 15 17:30:41 <_diego_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Better_alsamixer_settings Sep 15 17:31:39 diego: should I restart the device or alsa after I've changed something in alsamixer? Sep 15 17:33:07 <_diego_> depends, if you use alsamixer, changes are immediate. Sep 15 17:33:40 _diego_: I used settings provided here: http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg00564.html Sep 15 17:33:46 shanka, _diego_ : but yet not stored, right? Sep 15 17:33:57 strange...changing it doesn't change nothing... Sep 15 17:34:43 hama: so I should use alsactl store to store the settings? Sep 15 17:35:12 shanka: well, some other configs will override the alsa-settings... Sep 15 17:35:42 shanka: but true, to store use alsactl... Sep 15 17:35:50 hmm Sep 15 17:39:24 strange... I've used "alsamixer" to change *speaker* volume to 100 (from 0), then I do "alsactl store" Sep 15 17:39:24 then I go back to "alsamixer" to find that *speaker* volume is still 0! Sep 15 17:40:39 oh, just found out, the speaker volume decreases back to 0 when I insert-and-remove the headphone jack Sep 15 17:41:35 even when the "alsamixer" is running, I try to play a song, and then insert-and-remove the headphone jack, the *speaker* volume goes to 0 Sep 15 17:42:02 I can't hear any sound even when the speaker volume is at 100 though Sep 15 17:42:07 any ideas why this is happening? Sep 15 17:43:05 <_diego_> shanka: easy. Some process detect the event plug - unplug headset and change settings Sep 15 17:43:21 me guess he tried... Sep 15 17:44:27 my main problem is I'm not even able to hear incoming calls Sep 15 17:44:27 !! Sep 15 17:44:43 is the speaker muted/ Sep 15 17:44:44 ? Sep 15 17:45:13 use the m key to mute/unmute Sep 15 17:45:41 mac2k: the *speaker* variable's volume is 0 Sep 15 17:47:22 The installer works ! Sep 15 17:47:31 How do you get a different keyboard on ASU Sep 15 17:47:53 *Speaker Playback ZC* was muted, i've un-muted it. Sep 15 17:47:53 Still no sound from speaker Sep 15 17:53:11 shanka: what distribution do u use? Sep 15 17:54:45 hama: Qtopia Sep 15 17:55:22 hama: But I also have debian, and that has a similar issue, audio works perfectly on headphones, but not on speakers Sep 15 17:56:37 How do you get a good kb Sep 15 17:56:40 shanka: well, me haven't used both.... :( Sep 15 17:57:17 one question: Sep 15 17:57:27 are these mockups or what? Sep 15 17:57:28 hama: hmm, I'll try to alter alsamixer settings in debian and get back Sep 15 17:57:30 [19:51:47] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png Sep 15 17:57:31 [19:51:54] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png Sep 15 17:57:33 [19:52:01] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png Sep 15 17:57:39 the come from rasters homepage Sep 15 18:08:08 hello, S3C processors have just halt of bogomips than their actual frequency? Sep 15 18:08:19 In debian too I have this problem... I can hear sound on the headphones, but not on the speakers... Can this be a hardware issue? Sep 15 18:08:50 yes Sep 15 18:08:52 could be Sep 15 18:13:27 bumbl: ??? Sep 15 18:14:01 hama: ? Sep 15 18:14:12 shanka: didnt u say u can hear a ringtone? Sep 15 18:14:32 hama; no, I can't even hear my ringtone! Sep 15 18:14:47 oh... understand that wrong, sry Sep 15 18:15:21 mmp: yes, it seems. Sep 15 18:16:16 pb__: is it general rule that is performs just one instruction in two clock ticks? Sep 15 18:16:26 i lose the screen ... Sep 15 18:16:33 under MS3 Sep 15 18:16:36 * mmp has so far worked just with with PXA255 Sep 15 18:17:03 mmp: no, I think this is just a pecularity of the bogomips calculation. in general, arm9 is one instruction per clock tick. Sep 15 18:17:41 mmp: you do only get one memory bus access per two ticks on s3c24xx, which might be part of the explanation. Sep 15 18:17:49 hmm, ok :) that's what I wanted to know. So the slow bootup isn't caused by just half-frequency slowdown Sep 15 18:17:49 hey Sep 15 18:18:19 argh, half-of-instruction-per-tick slowdown :) Sep 15 18:18:21 does anyone here has anyidea what to do with the gtk image not handling power detection corretly? Sep 15 18:18:26 mmp: you could try running the mhz benchmark from lmbench if you are in doubt about your actual clock speed. I think that gives accurate answers on arm9. Sep 15 18:18:38 mmp: or, inspect the clock setting registers with devmem2 and calculate the numbers by hand Sep 15 18:18:39 i.e thinks the battery is out doesn't matter the state and won't charge? Sep 15 18:19:30 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf64d8a25de8c 10/fsod/ (21 files in 12 dirs): add the other Device plugins to the build tree. Sep 15 18:20:26 any ideas? Sep 15 18:24:32 pb__: hm, another way to do, but I guess so far I will just believe you; it isn't that important for me :) Sep 15 18:26:13 heh, fair enough :-) Sep 15 18:27:13 pb__: I was just wondering why FR's bootup time is that big, when compared with PXA-based device I have on the same frequency Sep 15 18:27:48 I had a sound problem with the audio quality on the headphones or hifi-set...i changed some settings but it is still not as good as my ogg player(pma430) Sep 15 18:28:11 i followed a page on the wiki and changed the bass settings in alsamixer Sep 15 18:28:24 but is there still some things to do that can improve it? Sep 15 18:29:15 mmp: which part of bootup are you thinking of? Sep 15 18:29:39 pb__: probably all of it ;] Sep 15 18:29:44 pb__: kernel init itself is slowed down by writes to framebuffer, so mostly the second one Sep 15 18:29:58 s/things/more things Sep 15 18:30:05 mmp: you can turn that off Sep 15 18:30:06 in theory pxa255 and arm9 should be about the same speed at the same clock frequency. actually, arm9 has slightly better cpi than pxa255 for most general purpose code. Sep 15 18:30:08 userspace init is quite slow Sep 15 18:30:17 mmp: i.e. add quiet Sep 15 18:30:41 torindel: yes, I know, I even managed somehow to boot it in such mode (FSO image even did it automatically once I think) Sep 15 18:30:47 but both init, x, and x wm init is slow Sep 15 18:30:51 but still, the userspace init is _slow_ Sep 15 18:31:29 it'd certainly be interesting to understand the differences. Sep 15 18:31:38 what memory system do you have on your pxa255 device? Sep 15 18:31:44 torindel: yes, but almost all of userspace init is slow; even qtopia didn't boot very fast Sep 15 18:32:09 pb__: rather don't ask :) I'm not really sure, it's hp ipaq h5550 Sep 15 18:32:15 64+64MB RAM Sep 15 18:32:24 ah right Sep 15 18:32:28 one runs at 100MHz, the other one might run at 50MHz... Sep 15 18:32:45 I have a feeling the h5500 memory bus is wider than the FR's. Sep 15 18:32:54 mmp: could you count how many secs init takes? (from kernel to X start) Sep 15 18:32:56 again, lmbench would tell you that, see the bw_mem benchmark Sep 15 18:32:59 32bits, as far as I know Sep 15 18:33:12 torindel: on FR ? Sep 15 18:33:16 yep Sep 15 18:33:29 torindel: what image should I test? Sep 15 18:33:41 but it's at least above minute for all of them Sep 15 18:33:48 in fact, if you felt like running the complete lmbench suite on the h5500 and on the gta02, that would be interesting information. Sep 15 18:33:51 whats h5500? Sep 15 18:33:59 an ipaq Sep 15 18:34:03 mmp: get stoper, we'll compare ;] Sep 15 18:34:18 pb__, cool.. does it run linux? Sep 15 18:34:20 yeah Sep 15 18:34:26 more-or-less Sep 15 18:34:28 how much is it? Sep 15 18:34:36 dunno, I don't think you can actually buy them anymore Sep 15 18:34:40 it ran linux would be the best conclusion right now Sep 15 18:34:46 you can buy them in ebay Sep 15 18:34:55 but the support isn't very good so far Sep 15 18:34:59 I originally worked on the linux port for that device back in 2004 or so. I think they have been discontinued for a while. Sep 15 18:35:00 none in recent kernels Sep 15 18:35:25 ah, that's too bad Sep 15 18:35:49 it would be nice to get it fixed up. I still have an h5500 at my office somewhere. Sep 15 18:35:50 pb__: the last supported kernel (although pretty good) is 2.6.21 in handhelds.org CVS Sep 15 18:36:01 pb__: there will be ongoing work soon... Sep 15 18:36:12 it had to be, in fact, but there wasn't enough time... Sep 15 18:36:21 unfortunately :( Sep 15 18:36:44 ok, very good Sep 15 18:36:58 but bd2 told me he has board files to get h5000 working at least on serial console Sep 15 18:37:23 and after that, it's matter of porting (not small amount of) drivers Sep 15 18:37:41 how much porting do they need? surely the driver infrastructure hasn't changed all that much since 2.6.21. Sep 15 18:38:10 do you have a lot of kernel experience? :) Sep 15 18:38:34 some don't, but handhelds.org CVS has quite a lot of own code, which h5000 uses (gpiodev, ...) Sep 15 18:38:48 That might cause problems. And also general code cleanup:) Sep 15 18:39:05 Blastur: not that much, just experience with fixing bitrotted code :) Sep 15 18:43:59 pb__: and I hope what together with having h5000 support in 2.6.27 kernels, it will finally be possible to have support for at76 chips and WPA firmware... Sep 15 18:44:03 yeah, true. I don't think gpiodev is all that complicated though. Sep 15 18:44:17 right, that would be good Sep 15 18:44:29 (gpiodev) not complicated, but iirc it's quite widespread. Anyway, time will show :) Sep 15 18:44:58 if h3900 is supported, and s3cxx is supported, it should be pretty straightforward to get h5400 going. There isn't much code required for the 5xxx that isn't used by one or other of those two. Sep 15 18:45:34 basically just the mq11xx, which is pretty much self contained, plus a bit of general machine glue Sep 15 18:45:38 pb__: well, samcop has its own driver, it doesn't use parts of s3cxx... Sep 15 18:45:55 it could do, though Sep 15 18:46:07 the reason it didn't originally is that samcop pre-dates the s3c24xx support Sep 15 18:46:10 hello Sep 15 18:46:21 is openmoko ready for the general public yet? Sep 15 18:46:22 pb__: hmm, it would be great if it did :) thanks for hint Sep 15 18:46:31 mmp: about boot speed on gentoo with standard bloated init, normal bash, normal udev, normal everything it takes 40 seconds Sep 15 18:46:41 for stuff like SDIO, touchpanel and so on, you are almost certainly better off re-using the s3c24xx code than trying to maintain a parallel fork. Sep 15 18:46:46 torindel: booting to full GUI ? Sep 15 18:46:47 some of these project ideas are great and I'd like to help out to the best of my abilities Sep 15 18:46:51 mmp: and we're not useing busybox or anything which is a loot smaller Sep 15 18:47:20 mmp: i was counting from the point kernel finished to the point x started Sep 15 18:47:48 plus that was with normal desktop stuff, not some busybox init Sep 15 18:47:56 torindel: well, I can't measure it that easily, I have FSO image there, so I can measure time taken to e.g. start zhone Sep 15 18:48:01 hello, who here owns a freerunner? Sep 15 18:48:19 mmp: (including in that framework, gpsd etc) Sep 15 18:48:34 KungFuJesus: many people on the channel I guess:) Sep 15 18:48:48 mmp: measure to the time it stops useing framebuffer and starts X Sep 15 18:48:49 mmp: does it serve well as a phone, are the calls generally stable these days? Sep 15 18:49:17 and from ending of kernel till it stops useing framebuffer Sep 15 18:49:27 did they finally fix power management issues so that the battery life is greater than 3 hours? Sep 15 18:49:53 I would love to buy one of these devices as I need a new phone, but it has to be reliable Sep 15 18:50:01 torindel: hmm, weird; anyway, I'll try to measure it Sep 15 18:50:34 KungFuJesus: don't know, I have one, but I did not measure battery life; I just tested whether I can dial a number:) Sep 15 18:50:51 anybody? Because I'm doing my best to not impulsively buy one Sep 15 18:51:02 but if it's ready for the open market, then I'll jump onboard Sep 15 18:51:29 for the sake of having a phone I need one. Will ma bell networks generally work if I just pop my sim in? Sep 15 18:52:15 KungFuJesus: do they support GSM? Sep 15 18:52:59 torindel: hmm, basic bootup times aren't that much different; 17 seconds uboot+kernel, 36 seconds userspace init prior X Sep 15 18:53:06 how can i change the icon theme in 2008.8 for the "illume desktop" Sep 15 18:53:22 i have added the theme-folder in /usr/share/icons/ Sep 15 18:53:42 torindel: but then it's almost 1:30 to see zhone started Sep 15 18:54:54 KungFuJesus, I didn't test phone calls a lot...but the freerunner can have many uses...for instance i don't think i'll use it as my primary phone because a phone needs battery life and i want to use wifi gps games...and using theses reduce the battery life...but i didn't have problems with suspend Sep 15 18:55:54 KungFuJesus, but the same problem apply with others smartphones too... Sep 15 18:59:06 KungFuJesus, there is an echo in qtopia when you call(on the other side)...it has been fixed and i think it's in FSO_milestone_3 Sep 15 19:00:12 KungFuJesus, but qtopia is more complete...you have missed calls,operator messages etc...i don't think you have this in FSO_III Sep 15 19:02:59 mmp: yah, that does seem pretty slow. on the s3c2412 systems that I am working on right now, I think it takes about 10 seconds from power on to application startup. iirc, the kernel is a bit less than half of that, and the rest is userspace stuff. Sep 15 19:05:44 Hi, why are the userfiles/-dirs, like .e in / instead of ~ ? (FSO-3) Sep 15 19:06:47 Pau1us: because init scripts do it directly without sourcing profile Sep 15 19:06:54 A large part of battery life stuff just hasn't been done. KungFuJesus. Sep 15 19:07:00 and a lot of env vars are unset Sep 15 19:07:07 including HOME Sep 15 19:07:44 will this be fixed in future versions? Sep 15 19:07:44 hello Sep 15 19:07:47 KungFuJesus: all the hardware switches seem to be there in both GTA01 and GTA02 - it's just major bits - cpu freq scaling for one - are completely missing Sep 15 19:07:50 dunno Sep 15 19:08:05 Pau1us: just make symlink for now if you care Sep 15 19:08:06 It's very much a wok in progress. Sep 15 19:08:17 ok thx Sep 15 19:08:18 home dir / is a bug in tinylogin Sep 15 19:08:28 see bugs.openmoko.org Sep 15 19:08:36 could anybody help me with gsm modem on ASU? after resume from suspend i cant making calls or even sending sms Sep 15 19:08:45 yo mickeyl Sep 15 19:09:09 hey pb__ Sep 15 19:09:31 pb__: it might be a good idea to mention distribution ;) Sep 15 19:09:35 mickeyl: got quick question about framework versioning scheme what will be after milestones? 1.0? or some 0.x and testing phase? Sep 15 19:11:44 torindel: I think we're aiming for 0.9 at the end of the year Sep 15 19:11:51 then going 1.0 early next year Sep 15 19:12:21 is this proper channel to ask for help? Sep 15 19:12:34 pd: probably yes Sep 15 19:12:36 is there a way to tell zohne to call a certain number via cli? Sep 15 19:13:05 torindel: pl user :) i know you Sep 15 19:13:24 ;] Sep 15 19:13:58 viq: ah, this is a custom distribution, not any of the openmoko stuff Sep 15 19:14:01 TAsn: zhone is not scriptable like that, but you can easily dial a number through dbus Sep 15 19:14:06 zhone will even show that a call is outgoing Sep 15 19:14:12 mickeyl, cool. Sep 15 19:14:15 :) Sep 15 19:14:17 thanks. Sep 15 19:14:48 so hacking together gtk contacts and zhone for outgoing calls shouldn't be that hard. Sep 15 19:16:24 mickeyl: btw, how are the plans for storing contacts in other places with more metadata ? (sim is kinda limited) Sep 15 19:16:36 yep Sep 15 19:16:55 plans are to integrate some form of PIM storage Sep 15 19:17:02 probably from gsoc this year Sep 15 19:17:03 TAsn: does gtk contacts use the framework apis for contacts? Sep 15 19:17:21 ronny, Sep 15 19:17:25 im using my gtk db Sep 15 19:17:33 ah, thats bad Sep 15 19:17:34 mickeyl, gsoc? Sep 15 19:17:38 ronny, why? Sep 15 19:17:40 ~google gsoc Sep 15 19:17:47 mickeyl, good idea ;0 Sep 15 19:17:48 apt? Sep 15 19:17:57 apt is laggy Sep 15 19:18:00 gsoc is summer of code Sep 15 19:18:08 mickeyl, i have a problem with gtk image Sep 15 19:18:11 maybe you can help Sep 15 19:18:26 TAsn: well, stuff should use the framework, so all apps can use it Sep 15 19:18:28 the battery icon is red like if there's no battery Sep 15 19:18:43 though battery is full Sep 15 19:18:51 furthermore, charging doesn't work. Sep 15 19:18:54 ronny, i know. Sep 15 19:18:59 using a TH or CC battery? Sep 15 19:19:10 im hacking a working distro know Sep 15 19:19:15 mickeyl, how can i check? Sep 15 19:19:18 (stock fr) Sep 15 19:19:40 TAsn: could you add a framework backend for the gtk db you made? Sep 15 19:19:47 look at the battery Sep 15 19:19:55 ronny, i made nothing Sep 15 19:19:57 using the gtk one Sep 15 19:20:00 between + and - it should show CC or TH Sep 15 19:20:02 ah, k Sep 15 19:20:12 cc Sep 15 19:20:50 ronny, this way i have my contacts for viewing :) Sep 15 19:21:08 i know, not using, though that's why i wanted to hack zhone Sep 15 19:21:10 ;0 Sep 15 19:22:07 if i buy a freerunner what can i expect? Sep 15 19:22:15 mickeyl: how do backends for providing contacts work ? Sep 15 19:22:20 a device using linux Sep 15 19:22:26 mickeyl: can it be an arbitary dbus service? Sep 15 19:22:30 stability wise Sep 15 19:22:34 ronny: please ask abraxa_ Sep 15 19:22:43 didn't have time to look into that yet Sep 15 19:22:52 hmk Sep 15 19:22:54 but the PIM queries will go over dbus, yeah Sep 15 19:22:57 mickeyl, any idea about my problem? Sep 15 19:22:58 Guest83507: nothing plus a lot of hacking ;] Sep 15 19:23:11 that does sound fun Sep 15 19:23:11 torindel, my fso is stable Sep 15 19:23:24 it just doesn't do anything but being stable Sep 15 19:23:25 im really trying to get put off the idea Sep 15 19:23:31 oh, and running full screen movies :) Sep 15 19:23:41 and duke3d ;0 Sep 15 19:24:04 anyone got an idea wha happens if one accidentialy uses the battery before doing the initial full charging? Sep 15 19:24:06 Guest83507: there isnt any stable and usable distro yet Sep 15 19:24:06 have a big problem with propriety software Sep 15 19:24:34 okay, is it usable for say a dev? Sep 15 19:24:40 Guest83507, yeah. Sep 15 19:24:51 what can i understand from Sep 15 19:24:52 retrieved phonebook: dbus.Array([], signature=dbus.Signature('(iss)')) Sep 15 19:24:52 error while retrieving messagebook Sep 15 19:24:53 ? Sep 15 19:24:57 *should i Sep 15 19:25:53 i read that theres no call quality on the wiki Sep 15 19:26:10 in fso i get sometimes robot like sounds Sep 15 19:26:13 which is weird. Sep 15 19:26:15 is that the major show stopper for useability or is there a lot more Sep 15 19:26:31 Guest83507, to tell you the truth. Sep 15 19:26:34 i use gtk 2007 Sep 15 19:26:44 and everything works. Sep 15 19:26:54 excpet for power consumption Sep 15 19:27:09 TAsn: sounds like the SIm is not ready yet Sep 15 19:27:37 i couldnt see any uk networks on the wiki though, not sure if im willing for that risk Sep 15 19:27:51 anyhow, i get bad sound quality using fso ;\ Sep 15 19:28:03 and gtk experiences the problems i mentioned. ;\ Sep 15 19:28:08 Guest83507: europe does GSM, so it should be safe Sep 15 19:28:26 ah okay, does sms work fine? Sep 15 19:28:56 for me at least. Sep 15 19:30:05 is there a lot of stuff in the works... Sep 15 19:30:18 potentially everything is on the works. Sep 15 19:30:20 mickeyl: what are the chances of being able to get 2008.8 working on my gta01 at the moment? Sep 15 19:30:22 The whole thing is in the works ;) Sep 15 19:30:43 Guest83507: I have GTA01 working fine on t-mobile Sep 15 19:31:07 could you add that to the wiki? Sep 15 19:31:11 Guest83507: GPRS is capped at a pound a day, and you can buy packs to give you 50p/day caps. Sep 15 19:31:16 have you tried any other networks? Sep 15 19:31:17 pb__: tough, 2008.8 is too huge for the 01 and i don't think anyone is trying to make it smaller atm. Sep 15 19:31:29 Guest83507: no. Sep 15 19:31:33 pb__: fso ms3 will work fine though :) Sep 15 19:31:40 SpeedEvil, maybe you will know. Sep 15 19:31:49 SpeedEvil, no to the wiki or to other networks Sep 15 19:31:49 TAsn: ? Sep 15 19:31:52 mickeyl: okay, cool. sounds like that is what I need then :-) Sep 15 19:31:54 my gtk says the battery is empty Sep 15 19:31:58 Guest83507: I haven't added it. Sep 15 19:31:59 although fso says it's full Sep 15 19:32:06 plus gtk doesn't charge Sep 15 19:32:12 TAsn: cat /proc/wherever to read the real figures Sep 15 19:32:26 mickeyl: do I just take the jffs2 from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/? Sep 15 19:32:27 SpeedEvil, could you, it would probably help people Sep 15 19:32:29 this causes gtk no to charge the phone. Sep 15 19:32:49 is there a ful system under there, or is it based on busy box? Sep 15 19:33:07 Guest83507: when I get up to a system where I can easily. Sep 15 19:33:12 Guest83507: bb Sep 15 19:33:20 cheers Sep 15 19:33:24 Guest83507: busybox does most stuff. Sep 15 19:33:40 all of this i still want one Sep 15 19:33:51 is somebody still working with qemu? Sep 15 19:35:32 pb__: yep, take the jffs2 and the kernel and flash it w/ dfu-util Sep 15 19:35:45 just not a fan of busy box, sick of it on my zaurus Sep 15 19:36:32 You can install coreutils. Sep 15 19:36:33 busybox sucks Sep 15 19:36:35 If you want. Sep 15 19:36:39 mickeyl: great, thanks. I'll try that tomorrow when I am back at the office. Sep 15 19:37:06 still seems like a good use of my student loan payment Sep 15 19:37:58 pb__: do that. you probably have an ancient u-boot as well, but that's always a bit risky updating without debugboard Sep 15 19:38:14 lets see whether it (kind of) works with the one you have atm. Sep 15 19:38:32 swapon may well help. Sep 15 19:38:38 (with the space argument) Sep 15 19:39:01 Are there any Mac OS X users? Sep 15 19:39:48 mickeyl: ok, great. I guess I can update u-boot from inside linux once I have that running. Sep 15 19:41:48 anakron: yes Sep 15 19:42:15 SpeedEvil, can't find nothing useful in /proc Sep 15 19:42:30 type busybox Sep 15 19:44:15 TAsn: try typing apm Sep 15 19:44:28 TAsn: or find /sys (oops) -name "*battvolt" Sep 15 19:44:33 blank Sep 15 19:45:49 4183 Sep 15 19:45:52 says nothing to me though. Sep 15 19:46:20 the problem is that the moko doesn't realize the true battery status Sep 15 19:46:29 so it won't even activate charging Sep 15 19:46:34 (works fine with fso though) Sep 15 19:48:20 how far are we from decent power management, though? Sep 15 19:49:30 hello, does https works on openmoko-browser2 or midori? because i can't access my mail but i can on my laptop Sep 15 19:50:00 Gnutoo, minimo Sep 15 19:50:03 works like a charm Sep 15 19:50:23 TAsn, thanks i'll try Sep 15 19:50:32 is openmoko realy the most stable os on gta2 Sep 15 19:50:44 Guest83507, define openmoko Sep 15 19:50:59 TAsn: 4183 is almost completely charged Sep 15 19:51:06 SpeedEvil, i know. Sep 15 19:51:08 TAsn: there is probably somewhere better to read that from Sep 15 19:51:16 i wish there was more choice here, but i cant see me using a M$ based phone Sep 15 19:51:22 the problem is with the gtk distro Sep 15 19:51:32 since fso reads that fine and charges Sep 15 19:51:40 gtk for some reason won't charge anymore Sep 15 19:51:53 nor will it change the stupid icon Sep 15 19:52:07 i think something is wrong with the daemon that's supposed to do both. Sep 15 19:52:11 Guest83507: There are *too many* choices for the FR; not enough of them work. Which one do you call "Openmoko"? Sep 15 19:52:18 my only Q is which is this demo? Sep 15 19:52:30 Im not really sure Sep 15 19:52:40 Guest83507, stock? Sep 15 19:52:47 yeah i guess so Sep 15 19:52:48 because i find stock the best for now. Sep 15 19:52:57 can you develop on the device? Sep 15 19:53:13 Guest83507, i think that's the whole point, or is it? ;0 Sep 15 19:53:24 ha ha ha true Sep 15 19:53:37 SpeedEvil, you see what i mean? i know the bat is full, the only problem is what keeps track on bat and connections? Sep 15 19:53:40 it would be a good distraction in java lectures Sep 15 19:53:47 Guest83507, aye ;0 Sep 15 19:53:53 i already finished java though. Sep 15 19:54:13 though there are a lot more boring classes to play with the moko at ;0 Sep 15 19:54:17 i get to start next week, praying my summer of using C will keep me sane Sep 15 19:54:47 it's java there's no helping it, you are doomed. Sep 15 19:55:31 its going to be torture, next week will be spent getting win off my uni laptop Sep 15 19:55:35 Java: how to write lots of text, that ends up doing very little, or "Proust for Programmers" Sep 15 19:56:23 Nobady using Mac OS with openmoko? Sep 15 19:56:43 anakron: for the second time, yes! :) Sep 15 19:57:15 snp: sorry I missed! :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 15 19:57:33 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 15 20:22:16 2008 Sep 15 20:22:34 * mwester decides to be lazy (side effect of last opkg update to self) and rather than reading the channel log, asks what the problem is with vmware? Sep 15 20:22:45 i think its even before VMware. My guess is that some OS X driver is intterfering with it Sep 15 20:23:22 VMware WS 6.5, or Server 1.x? Sep 15 20:23:23 hello, i have flashed my moko with 200815 image and i noticed that fonts appears big Sep 15 20:23:32 wrt gtk apps Sep 15 20:23:34 I'm not able to flash openmoko with dfu-util inside WMware Fusion (MacOS X) Sep 15 20:24:06 anakron: sorry for not being to help more.. Good luck! Sep 15 20:24:18 no problem Sep 15 20:24:20 Ah ok -- sorry, VMware of various sorts here, but only on Windows and Linux hosts. :( Sep 15 20:24:31 snp: thanks for your time Sep 15 20:25:06 mwester: are you able to flash from inside a VM under Windows or Linux? Sep 15 20:25:16 i couldnt see, does the gta2 have a full sized sd slot Sep 15 20:25:34 I've not actually tried; I've jsut always assumed that I could if necessary. I should give it a try, I suppose. Sep 15 20:26:13 * mwester always dual boots up into Linux on the host, because USB networking and routing is such a PITA on Windows in the first place. Sep 15 20:26:29 would be nice so I could tell the problem is only Mac realted Sep 15 20:26:40 jones: only microSD under the SIM card Sep 15 20:26:46 USB networking works fine inside the VM Sep 15 20:27:06 damn, 32gig sd cards are cheap too Sep 15 20:30:04 jones: didn't know the 32gig ones were for sale yet...? Sep 15 20:31:00 i'd like an additional full-size SDHC reader... Sep 15 20:31:21 so i could use 8gig microSDHC for system and a bigger SDHC for data :) Sep 15 20:31:25 i'l grab the link Sep 15 20:31:31 i can get 16ig micro sd Sep 15 20:31:39 http://www.memorybits.co.uk/ Sep 15 20:31:50 i'll get a direct link once ff speeds up Sep 15 20:32:53 http://www.memorybits.co.uk/index.php?cPath=756&sort=2a&filter_id=221 Sep 15 20:33:08 there are hundreds of discount vouchers for that site too Sep 15 20:34:37 VMware Workstation 6.5 can see the device when you connect it, and can begin to interact with it, but it loses the USB device when dfu-util resets USB -- so it doesn't look like dfu-util will work with VMware. Sep 15 20:35:45 http://www.memorybits.co.uk/index.php?cPath=755&sort=2a&filter_id=209 Sep 15 20:35:52 16gig microSD Sep 15 20:36:01 hmm Sep 15 20:36:15 mwester: ok thank you, maybe I will try to find a solution in a VMware forum Sep 15 20:36:20 I'm still waiting 32 GB micro Sep 15 20:36:28 they will be good Sep 15 20:36:42 i thought 32 Gig SD was cheaper Sep 15 20:37:57 does the moko even support sd>8? Sep 15 20:38:08 does Sep 15 20:40:45 anakron: I take that back; dfu-util is actually able to download the kernel image (slowly) if you do not do anything else to the FR (especially use dfu-util with the -R (reset) option). Sep 15 20:40:56 So it works, but it's not ideal in any way. Sep 15 20:44:39 ok thank you for trying out Sep 15 20:47:27 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NO8BO0?ie=UTF8&condition=new&tag=shopzilla_rev_1356-20&linkCode=asn Sep 15 20:47:28 Tm_T, so COOL! :) Sep 15 21:01:24 is there any browser that support https for om2008.8? because minimo segfaults on a https webpage ,and the openmoko-browser2 and the midori browser don't open such pages... Sep 15 21:03:15 firefox? Sep 15 21:05:53 what other than apm reads battery status in moko? Sep 15 21:06:08 because apm data read is broken for me. Sep 15 21:08:02 so i'll have to build firefox or is there a package? Sep 15 21:08:54 or should i install a lib that render all browser magically capable of https? Sep 15 21:09:15 Gnutoo: have you reported a bug about the crash? Sep 15 21:09:32 lindi-, no ...ok i'll do it tomorrow Sep 15 21:11:58 apm isn't used to get battery data on the FR. Sep 15 21:12:41 mwester, then what is? Sep 15 21:12:49 since battery applet in gtk2007 uses apm Sep 15 21:13:23 ok i'll see that tomorrow...bye Sep 15 21:17:37 mwester, bq27000? Sep 15 21:21:45 why is opkg giving me error 17 - bad signature Sep 15 21:22:11 oh wait I get it, how do I install angstrom's gpg key Sep 15 21:22:41 TAsn: I dunno specifically what files are involved, but you need to listen for kernel events from the kernel -- I seem to recall that nodes in /sys are involved. Sep 15 21:23:04 i found the correct nodes. Sep 15 21:23:04 let me explain Sep 15 21:23:11 im using the gtk image Sep 15 21:23:20 (And yes, the apm data should roughly reflect reality, but IIRC it only does that on the GTA01, or if you use a non-columb-counter battery on the GTA02) Sep 15 21:23:23 which relied on apm for power management Sep 15 21:23:43 Yep, that image pre-dates the new kernel stuff. Sep 15 21:23:49 i know. Sep 15 21:23:53 i update the kernel Sep 15 21:23:58 updated* Sep 15 21:24:06 which broke power management Sep 15 21:24:23 * mwester mutters something about that not being the only power management problem the GTA02 has... Sep 15 21:24:38 broke charging and battery status Sep 15 21:24:39 ;\ Sep 15 21:25:03 can't find the daemon responsible for changing circuits to charge Sep 15 21:25:17 There is no daemon involved. Sep 15 21:25:18 do you by any change know it's name? Sep 15 21:25:31 mwester, kernel does that alone? Sep 15 21:25:39 oh, it does :) Sep 15 21:25:41 nvm Sep 15 21:25:44 Yep. Sep 15 21:25:45 just cheked. Sep 15 21:25:52 sec i will just fix battery applet then :) Sep 15 21:25:56 cool thanks a lot. Sep 15 21:26:13 but userspace *should* be involved; it was just never implemented on 2007.2 -- featuers like forcing fast-charge, etc. Sep 15 21:26:51 The new kernels are VERY conservative in what they pull in terms of current from the USB. Sep 15 21:28:31 So unless one uses a script (there's one on projects.openmoko.org, for example) that forces the fast charge mode, the device will only pull 100ma from a auto power adapator -- because it cannot negotiate otherwise -- and as a result, the battery will actually discharge even though my power adaptor is easily able to supply an amp (or more)... Sep 15 22:15:48 mwester, thanks, i fixed the applet Sep 15 22:15:56 i will clean the code and up it somewhere tomorrow. Sep 15 22:15:57 ;) Sep 15 22:29:07 Does anyone know how to restrict the search tree for Qtopia? Sep 15 22:29:47 I really don't want to see all my tango maps in my picture list, nor every log file or code snippet in my notes list. Sep 15 22:30:40 Ack, gotta go, so I guess I'll ask again later :-) Sep 15 22:39:52 * hipitihop waves good morning to the troops Sep 15 22:40:19 hello :) Sep 15 22:42:34 wurp2|gone: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/syscust-docstorage.html Sep 15 22:57:20 Goodmorning, HIppityhop Sep 15 22:57:27 * Dave salutes weakly Sep 15 22:57:32 Dave still up ? Sep 15 22:58:46 Still up? Sep 15 22:58:53 Of course! Sep 15 22:58:58 I'm always up for some openmoko! :D Sep 15 22:59:07 clearly Sep 15 22:59:13 even if it's severely impaired and mentally challenged moko Sep 15 22:59:14 :p Sep 15 22:59:30 moko moko moko Sep 15 22:59:46 * hipitihop Dave mumbles in his sleep Sep 15 23:00:21 :D Sep 15 23:00:21 someone should make anime about openmoko Sep 15 23:00:28 *cough* Sep 15 23:00:33 First a webcomic. Sep 15 23:01:16 and a song Sep 15 23:01:32 blah Sep 15 23:01:34 probably two songs so we'll have starting and ending Sep 15 23:02:25 or for propagation openmoko could be sticked on whales and elephants Sep 15 23:02:58 so you could always phone your elephant and get it's exact location... maybe try local wifi >.> Sep 15 23:03:07 o_O Sep 15 23:04:32 =] I'll go to sleep before I'll think of taking over the world with openmoko attached to shark heads Sep 15 23:04:36 is it just me or the accuracy of the gps is something about 25m+-? Sep 15 23:09:28 Mononoke: I'll help! Sep 15 23:10:52 what size SD is required for the Debian stack and how are calls/sms ? Sep 15 23:10:54 is there usb-lasers? Sep 15 23:11:13 hipitihop: 500mb is just about enough.. zhone works fine Sep 15 23:11:26 edistar, that's not quite true Sep 15 23:11:33 hipitihop, the default will do, the calls, well, last I checked had some intermittent issues Sep 15 23:11:36 zhone works fine doing what it does. Sep 15 23:11:44 it just does almost nothing ;) Sep 15 23:11:52 TAsn: it does telephone and sms Sep 15 23:12:00 partial sms Sep 15 23:12:03 sms only on sim Sep 15 23:12:21 TAsn: yeah, but it does do them.. just has limited capacity Sep 15 23:12:34 and on some sims like mine Sep 15 23:12:40 it doesn't work at all. Sep 15 23:12:45 phone logs do not exist Sep 15 23:12:46 etc etc Sep 15 23:13:18 just to make things clear. Sep 15 23:13:23 i use zhone :( Sep 15 23:13:26 * ;) Sep 15 23:13:32 it's just not *that* ready yet. Sep 15 23:13:59 anyhow, im off to bed Sep 15 23:14:01 gn. :) Sep 15 23:14:12 gn8! Sep 15 23:18:24 fuck Sep 15 23:18:35 brokenmoko Sep 15 23:19:23 * hipitihop wonderds what Dave has managed to do to his moko Sep 15 23:20:27 IT HAS FAILED ME ONCE AGAIN Sep 15 23:20:43 * Dave glances over to his blender Sep 15 23:20:49 will it blend? Sep 15 23:21:03 ooh moko blood Sep 15 23:21:18 * ShellEvil passes dave a label marked 'This device is not a floatation device. It should not be used as a life-preserver'. Sep 15 23:21:35 :D Sep 15 23:22:01 meh, I'd rather take a 270 to it :) Sep 15 23:22:27 Shoot a moko from 100yd Sep 15 23:22:41 and watch the Glamo literally EXPLODE Sep 15 23:22:43 yeehaw Sep 15 23:23:05 suspend/resume issues? Sep 15 23:23:13 * hipitihop nice shootin chocolate moose Sep 15 23:25:01 * hipitihop goes off to do some real work Sep 15 23:25:05 heh Sep 15 23:25:20 Xora, everything issues? Sep 15 23:30:19 Dave: blend it then add chocolate Sep 15 23:30:30 Choco Moko :-D Sep 15 23:32:05 Moko in Mexico is bugger in english :S Sep 15 23:32:24 I think you mean booger. Sep 15 23:32:52 never heard that before Sep 15 23:33:28 you can translate it as mucus Sep 15 23:34:58 Open Buggery is more fun :-D Sep 15 23:35:03 balrog-k1n, yeap.. mucus will do it :P Sep 15 23:36:25 Xora :D Sep 15 23:36:30 What a brilliant idea! Sep 15 23:36:38 and perhaps a decent marketing ploy, as well! Sep 15 23:37:51 hols? Sep 15 23:46:47 ~_~ Sep 15 23:46:48 STOP DOING THAT! Sep 15 23:46:54 hey apt Sep 15 23:46:57 fuck you Sep 15 23:47:01 :) Sep 15 23:52:34 so... just to cool off the environment... i tried the Coherence upnp framework with the FR today, and well, it works, so i can stream my music to the PS3 or anything upnp compatible Sep 15 23:53:00 torero: the other way round would be more useful, don't you think? Sep 15 23:53:32 well its cool if you go to your friends house and to play your music on their stereo or something Sep 15 23:53:49 but yes, the other way would be nice as well Sep 15 23:53:53 yeah.. but can the FR cope? Sep 15 23:53:57 especially with them protesting aloud Sep 15 23:54:06 but right now i just tried it as a mediaserver not as a mediarenderer Sep 15 23:54:14 NICE Sep 15 23:54:21 balrog-k1n: thats why you should carry only nice music Sep 15 23:54:40 soft, jazz or something Sep 15 23:54:50 but it was a bit slow i have to accept Sep 15 23:54:55 Mobile jukebox indeed Sep 15 23:54:58 yeah, i know, death metal Sep 15 23:55:00 but not unusable Sep 15 23:55:39 and well, twisted works too so im making a web interface for the pictures and music Sep 15 23:56:15 freerunnerable Sep 15 23:56:22 i guess ill open a project in the openmokosite Sep 15 23:56:50 freerunnerable indeed Sep 15 23:57:24 btw anyone knows how does OMview names the thumbnails? it looks like an md5 hash but i dont know of what Sep 16 00:02:39 good night ppl Sep 16 00:03:09 gnite Sep 16 00:03:38 Aww Sep 16 00:03:43 We'll miss you hippityhop. Sep 16 00:03:48 Stay cool, and stay on the map :) Sep 16 00:03:58 sorry, responding to torero, only morning here Sep 16 00:04:37 oh, hah :P Sep 16 00:04:39 good! Sep 16 00:04:47 Most are expiring from tango friends Sep 16 00:04:50 it's rather disappointing Sep 16 00:05:41 I haven't had any gps stuff running for a while. Mainly because I rarely go out with the FR since it is not yet very functional as main phone Sep 16 00:06:14 true enough :\ Sep 16 00:06:18 and the charge is well, yeah... Sep 16 00:06:22 sub par Sep 16 00:06:49 tempted to try the debian build though Sep 16 00:06:53 yea Sep 16 00:06:57 it's getting pretty spicy ;) Sep 16 00:07:11 so qtopia is not functional as a main phone? Sep 16 00:08:43 ljp, well i tried the original 3.2.1 image flashed. It seemed pretty usable but stuck with no updates and only the qtopia apps, so it was a bit limiting Sep 16 00:09:10 ljp, will have a look again as soon as I can try 4.4 Sep 16 00:09:34 ljp: i didn't say that, don't beat me Sep 16 00:09:36 but I suspect with no x11 it will still be somewhat limiting for other things Sep 16 00:10:38 ljp, are you involved with the trolltech stuff ? Sep 16 00:11:01 he's a troll! Sep 16 00:11:23 don't pay him anything if he offers you passage across a questionably maintained construct! Sep 16 00:12:03 which reminds me, bsdgames available as a package yet on fso ? Sep 16 00:12:26 it has classic colossal cave Sep 16 00:12:48 * balrog-k1n wants moon-buggy Sep 16 00:12:55 it could be steered with the accelerometers Sep 16 00:14:09 I'd like any cool game on Fr with accelerometers.... saw the latest ipod nano yesterday and has accelerometers and various games using them Sep 16 00:15:01 * hipitihop ducks in case someone throws something at him for uttering about closed products Sep 16 00:15:49 but they can't be player over ssh :) Sep 16 00:18:56 so.. its the only one that is usable, but somehow thats limiting.... Sep 16 00:23:35 ljp, your sarcasm suggests I have offended, no intent. From what I have seen it is the most integrated set of apps and very stable. I think qtopia on X11 is interesting. Although the theme I saw was also not my favorite but I guess that's tweakable Sep 16 00:24:04 no offense taken :) Sep 16 00:25:15 infact it is the most likely candidate to be loaded when it is out i.e. 4.4 as technically the fr is my gf's phone and so far been a desk toy Sep 16 00:25:32 i just think its funny, i keep hearing that qtopia is the only usable gui, but in the same sentence, they say its not good enough/waiting for OM/ to work Sep 16 00:26:16 but yet there are not a lot of developers creating new apps for things Sep 16 00:26:24 understand, bloody users want everything ;-) Sep 16 00:27:01 ljp, do you know if 4.4 will have corresponding desktop sync ? Sep 16 00:28:22 mmm desktop sync Sep 16 00:29:09 ljp, what's poppin' ? Sep 16 00:31:13 hipitihop: i may see if we can release the windows sync desktop app Sep 16 00:31:36 Windows!? Sep 16 00:31:58 opensync definietly should be developing a sync app Sep 16 00:31:59 it only syncs with outlook. you know of a Linux outlook? Sep 16 00:32:08 yes Sep 16 00:32:14 ljp: evolution, or KDE-PIM Sep 16 00:32:22 thats not outlook Sep 16 00:32:23 there's several Sep 16 00:32:25 haha Sep 16 00:32:28 pfft Sep 16 00:32:31 Who'd want outlook anyway? Sep 16 00:32:36 other than crappy corp execs Sep 16 00:32:39 enterprise Sep 16 00:32:49 who use massive, poorly-maintained, exchange servars Sep 16 00:32:50 money talks Sep 16 00:33:13 or, anyoine can write their own plugin Sep 16 00:34:18 yeah, this is the kind of thing opensync should do Sep 16 00:34:39 ljp, well one reason for buying the FR is because all my machines at home (6) run Linux and I want to use regular linux contacts,calendaring etc to sync Sep 16 00:34:51 understood Sep 16 00:35:04 * Staticwave_Ace wishes he had more time/skill Sep 16 00:35:31 * ljp too Sep 16 00:35:56 ljp, if my gf has to wait for me to write her a sync app she'll throw the the fr out the window and go buy an iphone. Yes I'd smack her but still. Sep 16 00:36:33 hipitihop: just spraypaint it pink or red Sep 16 00:37:15 lol Sep 16 00:38:06 for her to agree to purchase an fr and support os in the first place suggests she's not that superficial :-) but still a barely usable $400 toy on the desk is also far from expectations Sep 16 00:38:27 :D Sep 16 00:38:35 hipitihop: that's my girlfriend got a treo from me Sep 16 00:38:41 and I lust after it sometimes... Sep 16 00:38:57 would she really read her mail on this tiny screen? Sep 16 00:39:32 balrog-k1n, ? fr screen ? Sep 16 00:39:37 or is syncing about contacts? Sep 16 00:39:43 hipitihop: yep Sep 16 00:40:39 hippityhop, are you going to become the contacts god? Sep 16 00:41:22 balrog-k1n, contacts, calendaring and other productivity apps but e-mail not important. Sep 16 00:43:25 email is not important? :P Sep 16 00:43:26 Dave, I'd love to help out in any capacity. Current problems 1. time (enough making a living coding) and 2. Still need to go up the Python, etk,ilume,d-bus learnign curves Sep 16 00:43:42 Wonderful! Sep 16 00:43:47 Yeah, I'm in a similar boat :P Sep 16 00:43:55 friggin' python/dbus Sep 16 00:44:24 Now it's time to find out if my freerunner can do text messaging. Sep 16 00:45:00 Davebot :o Sep 16 00:45:29 DRAZAKS Sep 16 00:45:33 :o :o :o Sep 16 00:45:46 * Dave slowly grips his sword. Sep 16 00:45:54 eww Sep 16 00:45:57 dude, not in public Sep 16 00:46:58 haha :D Sep 16 00:47:06 Geeze, text messaging is so fucked up these days. Sep 16 00:47:16 There are 4 digit numbers, and twelve digit numbers. Sep 16 00:47:20 gah Sep 16 00:47:25 and six and seven digit numbers Sep 16 00:47:29 starting with zeroes Sep 16 00:47:32 ljp: what was the link to qtopia sync protocol: Sep 16 00:51:48 http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/over-desktop-synchronization-1.html Sep 16 00:51:57 http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/qdsync-commands.html Sep 16 00:57:26 openmoko: 03werner * r4646 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Sep 16 00:57:26 openmoko: Mainly dplore restructuring and making it useful in real life. Sep 16 00:57:26 openmoko: Highlights: Sep 16 00:57:26 openmoko: - fixed a few stupid bugs that made dplore painfully slow Sep 16 00:57:26 openmoko: - split dplore.py into components and prepared the SDIO command decoder for Sep 16 00:57:27 openmoko: batch processing Sep 16 00:57:31 openmoko: - added measurements and zoom Sep 16 01:00:43 * hipitihop no really goes off to do some real work. Sep 16 01:02:12 Is it possible to factory reset the freerunner? Sep 16 01:02:58 captain_magnus, what does that mean ? reflash the original 2007.2 stack ? Sep 16 01:04:28 hipitihop: Well.. I installed debian on it, including the boot stuff as some instructions I found, and now it will only boot from the flash card... Sep 16 01:04:43 hipitihop: Reinstall uBoot still makes it boot only from the card Sep 16 01:05:31 ie, I installed gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin Sep 16 01:06:06 captain_magnus, I see, sorry I have not played with the debian stack yet. Sep 16 01:09:31 Hey I'm in hour 18 of my moko build... My first task is to patch glamo.c to correct for the bad touch screen coordinates when rotating between all modes except "normal". Sep 16 01:09:35 Has anyone else already built an update for that package? Sep 16 01:09:39 From what I can tell xserver-kdrive-glamo-r24 is the latest compiled binary (arm4) on the repo. which does not include the patch. Sep 16 01:16:21 uggh Sep 16 01:16:25 SPEAKING OF CONTACTS APPS Sep 16 01:16:32 the om contacts app is SO broken Sep 16 01:16:38 and difficult to understand Sep 16 01:17:05 so is the messaging app Sep 16 01:17:08 very strange Sep 16 01:17:15 they're having some twisted affair Sep 16 01:18:33 uggh Sep 16 01:21:58 does anyone know the bitbake target to clean out an OE tree? Sep 16 01:27:04 Dave: use qtopia :) Sep 16 01:28:25 haha Sep 16 01:28:31 It's funny lorn, I was just thinking the same thing! Sep 16 01:28:38 Except then I'd need to use two primary phones Sep 16 01:28:45 and I can't surf the net with qtopia yet, to my knowledge Sep 16 01:28:55 since the mozilla build exploded on me last time I tried. Sep 16 01:29:06 Oh well, I should play musical phones again soon :) Sep 16 01:29:11 you can, as long as surfing means email :) Sep 16 01:29:16 I hear people are struggling with fso3. Sep 16 01:29:17 hah! Sep 16 01:29:24 man, honestly, I'd be fine with lynx Sep 16 01:29:32 but even that doesn't seem to be available Sep 16 01:29:36 l337 dave Sep 16 01:29:38 i would say 'wait till 4.4' but i wont Sep 16 01:30:07 Dave: what about links, its better than lynx Sep 16 01:31:03 I'm old school, it's lynx or it's not. Sep 16 01:31:12 Though if necessary, I'll accept a crappy substitute :) Sep 16 01:31:20 Unless it's like evguisuperlinks Sep 16 01:31:24 none of that silliness. Sep 16 01:31:40 like egvim Sep 16 01:31:49 sometimes people go too far :P Sep 16 01:32:00 I use lynx(and links) for porn Sep 16 01:32:28 ascii porn Sep 16 01:32:45 links-x11 is actually quite a decent browser for small devices Sep 16 01:33:16 egvim? Sep 16 01:33:27 some years back, the links developers rejected a request to render images as ASCII graphics, so I guess links-x11 is better again Sep 16 01:36:38 gawd Sep 16 01:37:07 So I add a contact for someone in OM, yet I have to supply a phone number each and every time I message them in OM. Sep 16 01:37:16 Man, the interface is clearly highly intuitive. Sep 16 01:37:32 Oh and I'm sorry to say, you lose just as many points in the intuitive interface field, lorn. Sep 16 01:37:57 You spend an hour just trying to figure out what all the little icons mean, and how to do simple tasks. Sep 16 01:38:04 or in some cases, end them (if possible!) ;) Sep 16 01:38:09 * Dave coughs quietly Sep 16 01:39:50 ummm.. Dave.. try the Help from the menu Sep 16 01:42:23 Oh I have Sep 16 01:42:29 I've read a lot the help Sep 16 01:42:39 By the way, some of the context menus are missing Sep 16 01:42:57 and I guess some things don't offer any Help :( Sep 16 01:44:06 well this is weird Sep 16 01:44:23 does wine's configure always complain about trying to compile with gcc? Sep 16 01:45:53 winemoko? Sep 16 01:46:00 winemoko? :o Sep 16 01:46:07 lol Sep 16 01:46:11 so can you put openmoko on a centro? :o Sep 16 01:46:12 nah, just complaining... Sep 16 01:46:22 or just on openmoko devices? Sep 16 01:46:31 i wouldn't dare try running a windows app on the moko Sep 16 01:46:48 mostly because it would require a recompile and an emulator on top of wine Sep 16 01:46:50 why? Sep 16 01:46:54 and -> or Sep 16 01:47:30 and it had cooties! Sep 16 01:47:32 400MHz, 128MB of RAM... I've run Windows 95 on a 486... 66MHz and 16MB of RAM Sep 16 01:47:57 okay? Sep 16 01:48:01 yeah but you barely scrape by on the moko OS alone! Sep 16 01:48:13 it even requires swap for practical use! Sep 16 01:48:34 not to mention wine is mostly mean to keep the application itself built for the architecture anyway Sep 16 01:48:36 I want more ram Sep 16 01:48:38 all wine does is redirect logic Sep 16 01:48:46 like a gig Sep 16 01:48:51 shit man, it's sdram Sep 16 01:49:03 you can pick up a gig for like 50 bucks Sep 16 01:49:11 i wanna know my wine configure keeps telling me gcc can't make executables Sep 16 01:49:39 a gig? you could keep the entire hard disk of that there 486 box in that, _and_ its RAM too, _and_ a linux installation with qemu too! Sep 16 01:49:44 yeah Sep 16 01:50:20 while your at it, why not have side-by-side microkernels each running a portion of the hardware Sep 16 01:50:21 oh. my. god. Sep 16 01:50:31 woo-hoo. replace 15 kilograms of 486 PC with one Freerunner :) Sep 16 01:50:34 wait...that's not a bad idea Sep 16 01:50:35 And get this, the fucking messaging app neglects to list what TIME messages were sent/received. Sep 16 01:50:38 it only lists the Date Sep 16 01:50:46 lol, of course, dave Sep 16 01:50:50 Gee, that's helpful! Sep 16 01:50:54 really, sms time is rather pointless Sep 16 01:50:55 Thanks Openmoko. Sep 16 01:50:57 what's time to a robot? Sep 16 01:51:08 since a message can arrive anywhere between 10 seconds and 10 days after it's sent Sep 16 01:51:12 apparently they won't survive make theirs, anyway, Wonka. Sep 16 01:51:21 rooly: but rarely before Sep 16 01:51:27 speedevil :D Sep 16 01:51:28 ALL YOUR BASE! Sep 16 01:51:29 lol Sep 16 01:51:39 mov zig,fgj Sep 16 01:51:41 MOVE ZIG! Sep 16 01:51:46 :D:D:D Sep 16 01:51:47 *5* Sep 16 01:51:54 Indeed! Sep 16 01:53:21 roses are red Sep 16 01:53:25 violets are blue Sep 16 01:53:31 all my base, are belong to you Sep 16 01:56:43 Wow, and that "special characters" key on the matchbox-keyboard, it'd be nice if it DID anything! Sep 16 01:57:00 CVirus, well, that's certainly better than a lot of other things it could have been :P Sep 16 01:57:03 haha Sep 16 01:57:23 Coming from you, I figured more along the lines of, all my std's are belong to you? Sep 16 01:57:29 * Dave shudders Sep 16 01:57:55 * rooly sighs Sep 16 01:58:03 LOL Sep 16 01:58:06 Openmoko, stealing your sanity since 2006. Sep 16 01:58:08 i want to use om2008, but it's so intensely slow Sep 16 01:58:36 aaaaieee. Sep 16 01:59:17 mostly because the keyboard is faster, resume works better to a fair degree, and sms is more fun Sep 16 02:01:08 NOTE: Applying patch 'enable-xcalibrate.patch' (/home/scott/code/mokobuild/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-1.3.0.0/enable-xcalibrate.patch) Sep 16 02:01:11 Awesome.. I'm 90% done with the mokobuild... and it looks like my wish came true. i didn't even have to do anything. Sep 16 02:01:11 why do i have mysql-common on my bleeping debian on my freerunner?!? apparently because it is needed by libmysqlclient15off which is needed by libgmyth0 which is needed by gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad which is needed by fso-frameworkd Sep 16 02:01:13 Thanks to whomever did that. Sep 16 02:01:44 WHY the F*** does fso-frameworkd DEPEND on gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad? Sep 16 02:01:55 and why does that one depend on libgmyth0 anyway? Sep 16 02:02:43 Wonka, roflcopter. Sep 16 02:02:56 when i see stuff like that, i don't wonder anymore that debian needs so much more space... Sep 16 02:03:00 wtf roflcopter ftw Sep 16 02:03:06 I wonder if there is any way for me to inject foreign characters into Messages Sep 16 02:03:23 LOLercoaster, anyone? Sep 16 02:03:23 is qtopia's sms utf8? Sep 16 02:03:35 lollerblades are more my preference Sep 16 02:03:35 no, it's WTF-9 Sep 16 02:03:40 Let me boot it and find out Sep 16 02:03:41 haha :D Sep 16 02:03:42 awesome Sep 16 02:04:02 btw, UTF-7 rocks da house Sep 16 02:04:53 I am constant aggravated by the lack of an external SIM slot loader. Sep 16 02:04:58 constantly. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 16 02:05:38 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 16 07:02:31 2008 Sep 16 07:05:14 the big problem of finance is its recursiveness - for instance Analyst A values a stock based on what Analyst B thinks, and vice versa Sep 16 07:05:45 even though that's a dramatic oversimplification Sep 16 07:09:55 good morning Sep 16 07:14:38 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r8af3c2c0b814 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (Device.vala input/input.vala): Suppress some debug messages and add support for disable key Sep 16 07:14:43 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcafdb0ea5884 10/fsod/src/fsod.vala: Add a 50 second timeout in the mainloop Sep 16 07:27:26 hi, how do I add python-pygtk on om 2007.11 ? Sep 16 07:43:04 alphaone: Sep 16 08:31:06 <||Leto||> uhm Sep 16 08:31:15 i have a problem Sep 16 08:31:28 when i try to start my freerunner, only the aux-button start blinking Sep 16 08:31:46 in an interval of about .5 seconds Sep 16 08:31:53 or 1 Sep 16 08:32:08 and i hear a short rush from the speaker Sep 16 08:32:13 nothing else happens Sep 16 08:32:15 :( Sep 16 08:32:43 Sean21: have you tried to boot on u-boot menu ? Sep 16 08:32:56 aux+power? Sep 16 08:33:01 what happens when you press the aux-button first, keep it pressed and press the powerbutton Sep 16 08:33:09 you can boot on the u-boot on NOR or RAND memopry Sep 16 08:33:12 yeah, i'm gonna remove the battery and try again Sep 16 08:33:20 i suggest you try both Sep 16 08:33:40 *NOR or NAND Sep 16 08:34:38 nothing :-Y Sep 16 08:34:40 :-X Sep 16 08:34:52 pwr-cord only and battery only Sep 16 08:35:01 try this : press AUX, then power button, then release AUX, then release power button Sep 16 08:35:27 no sorry : press AUX, then power button, then release AUX, then wait while holding power button Sep 16 08:36:28 nothing Sep 16 08:37:06 try the same thing with the battery and the neo usb plugged Sep 16 08:39:24 ive been away for a while, are there any 2008.8 gta01 images available yet? Sep 16 08:44:02 ok Sep 16 08:44:05 boots now Sep 16 08:44:13 dunno what that was about :-X Sep 16 08:44:22 managed to get into the uboot eventually Sep 16 08:44:30 thanks charlie137 :) Sep 16 08:47:49 Sean21: you should reflash your NAND u-boot partition Sep 16 08:48:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND Sep 16 08:49:02 hello! Sep 16 08:49:36 Psi: not that I know of. Sep 16 08:49:49 ok, thanks anyway Sep 16 08:50:45 can someone tell me if/how I can install qemu in my filesystem once for all (I mean out of the openembedded stuff) ? Sep 16 08:55:50 meh Sep 16 08:55:56 having that loudness issue again Sep 16 08:56:01 people can't hear me Sep 16 08:56:11 i used to reset a value in some config file Sep 16 08:56:13 in 2008.8 Sep 16 08:56:18 but can't recall which it was Sep 16 08:56:22 anyone knows? Sep 16 08:57:40 meh Sep 16 09:03:16 On a fresh FSO ms3 flash I can't ssh in, does anybody know how i can fix this? Sep 16 09:04:01 Zorkman_: what happens when you ssh ? Sep 16 09:04:11 I don't get a response Sep 16 09:04:32 is your usb interface ok ? Sep 16 09:04:35 ifconfig Sep 16 09:04:36 (i'm booting from SD, but it always worked when booting from SD) Sep 16 09:04:54 charlie137: do you mean on my FR or on the host? Sep 16 09:04:59 on the host Sep 16 09:05:07 yeah it is Sep 16 09:05:15 checked it on linux and on windows btw Sep 16 09:05:26 when you type ifconfig, you should see you ip, should be 192.168.0.200 Sep 16 09:06:03 Zorkman_: sorry , forgot that some people use window :P Sep 16 09:06:17 yeah, that was no problem, besides: I can ssh in onto qtopia withouth problem Sep 16 09:06:40 hum Sep 16 09:07:00 I have a FSO image here, and I ssh into it Sep 16 09:07:03 no problem Sep 16 09:07:11 (image on flash, not SD card) Sep 16 09:07:20 Hi there, is there any new hardware coming out soon? Sep 16 09:07:25 that's the strange part, qtopia on internal flash works fine and i can ssh into it, but not into fso... reflashed it twice already :) Sep 16 09:07:31 boozkachu: nobody knows Sep 16 09:07:37 I really want to get a Freerunner but am not sure on the release cycle for hardware Sep 16 09:07:38 Zorkman_ can you ping your neo ? Sep 16 09:07:42 Zorkman_: thanks Sep 16 09:08:16 How much did you guys pay for the phone? Sep 16 09:08:33 Zorkman_: ping 192.168.0.202 Sep 16 09:08:34 335EURO (shipping and VAT included) Sep 16 09:08:54 charlie137: no response :) Sep 16 09:09:02 what can i do on the FR to fix this? Sep 16 09:09:20 Zorkman_: I'm guessing you're in the UK, can recommend a distributor? Sep 16 09:09:34 Zorkman_: well can you go in the terminal app ? Sep 16 09:09:41 boozkachu: i'm in belgium Sep 16 09:09:51 charlie137: yes Sep 16 09:10:14 so first thing : ifconfig Sep 16 09:10:19 done Sep 16 09:10:37 i only have "lo" Sep 16 09:10:39 no eth0 Sep 16 09:10:40 boozkachu: UK distributor Trubox Sep 16 09:10:46 Zorkman_: hehe ok thanks Sep 16 09:11:03 Tig|: Cheers, on their site now, GTA02 is what i want i think Sep 16 09:11:06 https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko Sep 16 09:11:06 and no usb0 ? Sep 16 09:11:12 charlie137: nope Sep 16 09:11:16 only 'lo' Sep 16 09:11:27 Zorkman_: then that is the problem Sep 16 09:11:32 indeed Sep 16 09:11:39 do you know a sollution? Sep 16 09:11:45 anyone have the debug board? Sep 16 09:11:57 (on the ML i read some stuff about the g_ether module...) Sep 16 09:12:18 Zorkman_: cat /etc/network/interface Sep 16 09:12:38 Zorkman_: sorry : cat /etc/network/interfaces Sep 16 09:12:54 there you should see a usb0 config Sep 16 09:13:54 do you have it ? Sep 16 09:13:57 "can't open '/etc/network/interface': No such file or directory Sep 16 09:14:06 Zorkman_ : ?? Sep 16 09:14:17 Hmm im going to float this out here, but does anyone else have an iPhone as well? Sep 16 09:14:47 charlie137: i'm not kidding... that what it says in the terminalm Sep 16 09:14:58 Zorkman_: i believe you :) Sep 16 09:15:08 aha, it's interfaces Sep 16 09:15:11 plural :) Sep 16 09:15:12 Zorkman_ : interfaces Sep 16 09:15:15 ok :) Sep 16 09:16:07 ok, what do you need to know? Sep 16 09:16:28 there is an iface usb0 inet static Sep 16 09:17:10 Zorkman_: then try this : /etc/init.d/networking restart Sep 16 09:18:30 charlie137: doesn't work, stoll onlyu have 'lo'; when i run that command i get some errors: Sep 16 09:18:52 route: SIODELRT: No such device Sep 16 09:19:13 ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device Sep 16 09:19:16 ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device Sep 16 09:19:23 usb0: no such device Sep 16 09:19:45 etc etc Sep 16 09:21:24 Zorkman_: i am afraid that starts to get beyond my competences :( Sep 16 09:21:46 np, i appreciate your help Sep 16 09:22:01 if anybody else in this chan has an idea: shoot :) Sep 16 09:23:24 i have cookies Sep 16 09:23:39 :) Sep 16 09:24:44 i have found that i like dwm Sep 16 09:25:30 Zorkman_: you can also try this : dmesg | grep usb Sep 16 09:26:33 hi everyone! is there anyway we could get the openmoko in China [Shanghai] ? Sep 16 09:27:24 i believe openmoko is assembled in china Sep 16 09:27:32 why shouldn't you be able to get it there? :O Sep 16 09:29:29 how can we find out from within the freerunner which distribution it's running.. om2007.2 or om2008.8 Sep 16 09:31:47 hil__: whats in /etc/*lsb* Sep 16 09:32:00 hil__: does it look like : http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/1/10/Todaypage_reduced_false.png/200px-Todaypage_reduced_false.png Sep 16 09:32:04 hil__: you can check /etc/om-version I think Sep 16 09:32:05 if so it is 2007 Sep 16 09:32:33 if it looks like : http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/d/df/Om2008_home.png/200px-Om2008_home.png Sep 16 09:32:34 it is built in china right Sep 16 09:32:39 it is ASU Sep 16 09:32:40 taiwan exactly Sep 16 09:32:50 but they dont have any resellers here :'( Sep 16 09:33:35 it looks like the first one... Sep 16 09:33:49 but I built om2008.8 from the makefile... shouldn't it be 2008.8? :O Sep 16 09:34:05 laBrute: you may try pulster.de. We got ours from there Sep 16 09:34:18 hil__, thanks Sep 16 09:34:21 i'll check Sep 16 09:34:45 hil__: the first one is the 2007.2 stack Sep 16 09:35:19 hil__: have a look here for more information on the distributions available : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Sep 16 09:35:51 Tig|: I've seen that but I thought the makefile built om2008.8 by default nowadays... Sep 16 09:36:24 hil__: no idea on the makefile here i am afraid Sep 16 09:36:45 okay. maybe rwhitby or someone else who's worked on the makefile can elaborate Sep 16 09:38:07 hil__: Yes it does now build 0m2008.8 by default Sep 16 09:38:25 guys did someone got this one : Sep 16 09:38:37 ptitjes: I used it a week ago and it built 2007.2 .... do we have to change anything in the local.conf? Sep 16 09:38:47 package perl-native-5.8.8-r13: task do_compile: started Sep 16 09:38:47 ERROR: function do_compile failed Sep 16 09:38:47 ERROR: log data follows (/home/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.8-r13/temp/log.do_compile.25997) Sep 16 09:38:47 | NOTE: make -e MAKEFLAGS= Sep 16 09:38:47 | makefile:952: *** missing separator. Stop. Sep 16 09:38:49 | FATAL: oe_runmake failed Sep 16 09:39:26 did you "make update-makefile" Sep 16 09:39:31 ?? Sep 16 09:40:05 I wget'd it ... doesn't that download the latest? Sep 16 09:40:06 hil__: did you "make update-makefile" ? Sep 16 09:40:24 yes it does Sep 16 09:40:56 all I know is now "make image" does "make openmoko-asu-image" Sep 16 09:40:57 then update shouldn't be necessary Sep 16 09:41:13 isn't it "make openmoko-devel-image" Sep 16 09:41:22 i did that and it created a 2007.2 Sep 16 09:41:32 maybe i should try asu-image Sep 16 09:41:39 wiki has been updated Sep 16 09:41:40 (as ASU is the codename for 08.8) Sep 16 09:42:03 before make image did make openmoko-devel-image but not anymore Sep 16 09:42:47 oh... so now, we do "make image" Sep 16 09:42:53 and that would be om2008.8 Sep 16 09:43:03 i'll give that a try then .. thanks ptitjes :) Sep 16 09:43:10 welcome Sep 16 09:44:05 Hi :) Sep 16 09:44:54 charlie137: i get a few messages about registered intereface drivers (usbcore) Sep 16 09:45:05 and "usbmon: debugfs is not available Sep 16 09:45:28 This might have been mentioned before. But here goes: I'm able to connect via USB, I can ssh to it, I can ping the outside world, I can even download things (wget...), but when I do opkg upgrade dropbear it say "nothing to be done". It's brand new. Anyone got an idea of what to do? Sep 16 09:45:47 Kraft_81: first do an opkg update Sep 16 09:45:56 done that also srry Sep 16 09:46:12 Kraft_81: check your feeds Sep 16 09:46:21 in /etc/opkg Sep 16 09:46:34 I get the "signature check failed", but that shouldn't matter Sep 16 09:46:46 true Sep 16 09:46:57 Zorkman> what should they be? Sep 16 09:47:16 you haven't flashed an image yet? Sep 16 09:48:14 Zorkman>nope... just turned it on... and /etc/opkg is empty Sep 16 09:48:59 can someone try make build-package-perl-native please ??? Sep 16 09:49:51 Zorkman> Should I flash it before doing anything else? Sep 16 09:51:10 Kraft_81:; that depends on how much you like the old image... Sep 16 09:51:28 but i would higly suggest you first try to flash the other images and try them Sep 16 09:51:42 qtopia/ASU/FSO/DEBIAN... Sep 16 09:52:05 afterwards choose one (or more -dual/tripple...boot) Sep 16 09:53:09 Zorkman> ok I'll try to flash a new stack onto it:-) Sep 16 09:53:15 cheers and thx Sep 16 09:53:26 np; enjoy your FR :) Sep 16 09:53:45 quit Sep 16 10:00:24 is gsmd still used? there is no binary named "gsmd" in the om 2008.8 image Sep 16 10:01:40 no Sep 16 10:01:56 8.8 uses qtopia's gsm stack, fso uses something else Sep 16 10:02:19 *sigh* Sep 16 10:03:05 when i was done writing pulseaudio stuff, they decided to drop pulseaudio... now that i can talk to gsmd with my application they... ARGH! Sep 16 10:03:36 btw. does has anyone heard something about the hybrid release lately? Is there some notable progress? Sep 16 10:05:02 haven't read anythinga about it lately Sep 16 10:05:09 there is a wiki page that states the work being done Sep 16 10:10:44 how to get gta02 working on qemu? i tried but i always got gta01 ... i modified the MokoMakefile but no luck ... i didnt boot Sep 16 10:14:20 laBrute: there's no gta02 emulation Sep 16 10:27:19 balrog-kun, ok thenks Sep 16 10:58:30 Heya. Sep 16 10:58:57 Any way to write/read sms messages through command line? (ASU) Sep 16 10:59:08 zogg_: if you know python Sep 16 11:02:16 I don't have usb0 on a fresh FSO ms3 flash, anybody know how to fix this? Sep 16 11:03:03 zogg_: did you change kernel configuration? Sep 16 11:03:06 Zorkman_: Sep 16 11:03:23 lindi-: I wouldn't know how to do that :) Sep 16 11:03:34 but maybe i did unknowingly, how can I check this? Sep 16 11:04:04 (it didn't work, I rebooted twice, still didn't work, reflashed, rebooted twice, still no go and then I flashed the newest kernel from downloads.openmoko) Sep 16 11:04:23 i'm booting from SD (qtopia from internal flash and there i can ssh in) Sep 16 11:04:53 on FSO ms3 "ifconfig" only gives 'lo', no usb0 or something else Sep 16 11:04:56 need to go now :(' Sep 16 11:05:04 if you know something i could try, Sep 16 11:05:06 please PM me Sep 16 11:06:25 Zorkman_: ifconfig usb0 up? Sep 16 11:08:52 soz, was afk. lindi- im fond of python and nope, didnt change kernel configs. Sep 16 11:14:49 Anyone here got a shipment from pulster.de yet? Sep 16 11:16:36 I read some theory for charging the GTA02 while in host mode using a usb male-b to two male-a cable (plus powered hub) Sep 16 11:16:50 has anyone managed to swing something similar? Sep 16 11:20:09 badcloud: the evil y-split cable of doom? Sep 16 11:20:23 I take it by that it doesn't work that well Sep 16 11:20:50 does it fry the battery or something? Sep 16 11:21:24 or conjure up the devil or something? Sep 16 11:21:34 anyone with java && ( ghc || hugs) package ? Sep 16 11:21:56 well, Weiss, do share Sep 16 11:22:28 badcloud: i think the 'evil' is that you're purposefully side-stepping all the power negotiation stuff, but i never paid much attention to the details. i think it was mentioend on OM-Community in the last week or so though.. Sep 16 11:22:48 I'll look that up, thanks Sep 16 11:23:03 purposefully? rather unintentionally Sep 16 11:23:04 but ok Sep 16 11:30:35 so what am I missing when I read the comment in this url: http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/charging-your-neo-freerunner/? Sep 16 11:30:55 whoops, wrong url Sep 16 11:30:57 sorry Sep 16 11:30:59 regroup Sep 16 11:32:43 here we go: http://chockerblockablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/neo1973-no-wifi3gbattery-life-no.html Sep 16 11:32:48 1st comment Sep 16 11:36:54 badcloud: i suspect it means "other end", not "either"... Sep 16 11:37:16 right Sep 16 11:37:40 as in one mini/b male going to two male-a Sep 16 11:38:03 yeah Sep 16 11:38:10 but i'm not totally sure... it's not clear from that Sep 16 11:38:17 that's what I thought Sep 16 11:39:26 I suppose the original solution is more straight forward Sep 16 11:39:57 (shorting the +5v to client ports on a powered hub) Sep 16 11:40:26 badcloud: i think you're looking for the bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables ? Sep 16 11:40:41 badcloud: search for something like "openmoko y cable" to find mailing list discussion Sep 16 11:40:54 I actually read that one first Sep 16 11:41:03 seems like a big project Sep 16 11:41:48 thanks though Sep 16 11:42:49 hi, I installed Illume config on om2008.8 but i didnt get any configuration possibilities Sep 16 11:43:58 RedFlash2000: open the top bar thing (where you switch windows), then press the little spanner which appears in the top left corner Sep 16 11:45:26 probelm is, there is nothing in the top left corner ... I got the same problem on 2007.11 (milestone 3 on sd card) when i removed hidden gadgets Sep 16 11:45:41 but in om2008.8 I didnt remove anything Sep 16 11:45:43 ah.. Sep 16 11:47:08 somebody knows where I can find the configuration files of illume config ? Sep 16 12:13:09 * Dave eyes leinir suspiciously Sep 16 12:15:13 hi Sep 16 12:19:06 woohoo, everybody likes deeply discharged batteries... -_- Sep 16 12:19:23 Dave: yeah, who doesn't? Sep 16 12:19:46 I have troubles connecting in ssh on my openmoko using Nautilus... I specified "ssh://root@om" (om=192.168.0.202) and it doesn't work, while "ssh root@om" in my terminal works Sep 16 12:20:08 try to use sftp:// Sep 16 12:20:17 and tried too Sep 16 12:20:26 (and it works with filezilla) Sep 16 12:21:09 I can connect to other sshs Sep 16 12:22:21 s/and tried too/I tried too/ Sep 16 12:22:38 you're using ubuntu? Sep 16 12:22:40 hello Sep 16 12:22:44 debian Sep 16 12:23:03 is there already a networkmanager (nm) for 2008.08 ? Sep 16 12:23:17 mmh I should do an upgrade Sep 16 12:23:19 hello anyone expceting the latest shipment from pulster? Sep 16 12:23:24 white_gecko: more or less Sep 16 12:23:34 igor321: I am Sep 16 12:23:39 the "Setting" programm includes a wifi manager Sep 16 12:23:50 which is close from stable Sep 16 12:23:51 Daramarak2: the sept 15. one? Sep 16 12:24:07 igor321: Yes sir Sep 16 12:24:13 deubeuliou: where can i find information about this Sep 16 12:24:23 deubeuliou: so you can now ping into your phone with ping om, but you can't use ssh://root@om? Sep 16 12:24:26 Daramarak2: did ya get any mails or so? Sep 16 12:25:01 deubeuliou: try with ssh://root@192.168.0.202 Sep 16 12:25:05 igor321: No ii did not order it. I am part of a group. Sep 16 12:25:24 Daramarak2: ah, okay Sep 16 12:25:31 we'll have to be patient i guess Sep 16 12:25:33 wow, qtopia's pretty terrible Sep 16 12:25:43 Yes, i guess so Sep 16 12:25:55 How can ANYONE type with predictive text. Sep 16 12:25:56 igor321:You got a mail? Sep 16 12:25:58 dolf1074: I tried that too Sep 16 12:26:09 It totally impedes productive typing. Sep 16 12:26:20 deubeuliou: than I don't know a solution Sep 16 12:26:34 Daramarak2: only the one like a month ago, saying that they're getting the mokos on the 15. and the shipping estimates Sep 16 12:26:43 it was one day for my country Sep 16 12:27:15 http://www.dhl.de/dhl?tab=1&skin=hi&check=yes&lang=de_EN&xmlFile=3607 Sep 16 12:27:30 ok.... Sep 16 12:27:37 white_gecko: I don't know Sep 16 12:28:24 Lpotter Sep 16 12:28:25 igor321: I heard that one got a mail on saturday. beni_ i think or was it bipak_? Sep 16 12:29:40 Daramarak2: i have no idea i just hope i get it in this shipment, i did order it some 4 months ago or so :) Sep 16 12:30:24 igor321:I think you are pretty safe then :) Sep 16 12:30:42 hm Sep 16 12:31:08 Daramarak2: i'll be waiting till the end of this week and then sendin them some emails Sep 16 12:43:14 zhone and illume don't have utf fonts ;\ Sep 16 12:44:30 *don,t use. Sep 16 12:49:28 deubeuliou: did you change the shell for root by any chance? Sep 16 12:51:28 quit Sep 16 12:58:57 where can i change the illume fonts at? Sep 16 13:02:05 hi all Sep 16 13:02:22 does anybody know a plan for a integrated cam in neo freerunner? Sep 16 13:03:09 no, and it's probably difficult to add Sep 16 13:06:32 mjr: an external will be nice :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Camera Sep 16 13:08:47 lindi-: ifconfig usb0 up gives "ifconfig SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device" Sep 16 13:09:39 wonder what they're thinking for the data transfer... Sep 16 13:17:54 qtopia.fail Sep 16 13:21:38 qtopia can make phone calls all the time, 2008.8 can't Sep 16 13:23:19 any ideas why opgk install returns "An error ocurred, return value: 2."? (fresh fso rev3 install) Sep 16 13:23:34 * johnsu01 waves from the train via laptop => bluetooth => openmoko => gprs Sep 16 13:23:55 you are installing something that is not in the package manager Sep 16 13:24:00 johnsu01: nice one Sep 16 13:25:37 dns53: oh, you are right, somehow the avaibable packets changed between the 20080911 and 20080910 release. Bad error message though Sep 16 13:30:22 DPThough1: what are your feeds set to? fso3 has no feeds at the moment Sep 16 13:30:43 Interesting that the GPRS indicator does not go solid when on via bluetooth Sep 16 13:32:00 rwhitby: http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed/... Sep 16 13:32:16 that's a dummy URL Sep 16 13:32:21 DPThough1, that's jut a placeholder Sep 16 13:32:32 rwhitby: are there some compatible repositories where i can get navit and the like... Sep 16 13:32:45 DPThough1, look in the wiki for user repositories and try shr.bearstech Sep 16 13:32:46 ... Sep 16 13:32:51 that's the one im using. Sep 16 13:32:59 there are repositories, but none are currently upgrade compatible with the official fso3 image Sep 16 13:33:14 exactly. Sep 16 13:33:17 you can only use the shr repositories with an image you've installed from shr Sep 16 13:33:48 well, i'm not inclined to trash my system with bad packages.. :) Sep 16 13:34:26 i think i will use the shr image thx Sep 16 13:34:40 rwhitby, really Sep 16 13:34:41 ? Sep 16 13:34:55 i c, that's maybe why opkg upgrade trashed my installation. Sep 16 13:35:02 anyhow, im using that one and stuff do work Sep 16 13:35:05 just not upgrade Sep 16 13:35:05 ;0 Sep 16 13:35:41 TAsn: yes, really. bitbake and git aren't mixing well, so the images that mickeyl built on a different machine are not upgrade compatible with the feeds on shr.bearstech.com Sep 16 13:35:52 sounds like just the way package management is not meant to be... :) Sep 16 13:36:35 well Sep 16 13:36:37 DPThough1, :) Sep 16 13:36:39 git really is to blame imo Sep 16 13:36:39 well, it boils down to a non-reproducible build system at the moment Sep 16 13:37:08 or anything that lack monotonely increasing versioning numbers Sep 16 13:37:10 mickeyl, is there any documentation avilable about fso3? Sep 16 13:37:17 TAsn: docs.freesmartphone.org Sep 16 13:37:22 cool. Sep 16 13:37:23 thanks. Sep 16 13:37:27 i was more referingto TAsn just using it. But you are right, there should be stable versioning Sep 16 13:37:40 DPThough1, :) Sep 16 13:37:45 mickeyl: yeah, but we knew that, so why wasn't it taken into account when the git fetcher was written? Sep 16 13:37:57 git versioning is pretty stable Sep 16 13:38:03 rwhitby: no idea Sep 16 13:38:06 after all the revisions form a dag Sep 16 13:38:18 btw, sincve when does monotone have numeric id's ? Sep 16 13:38:26 last time i worked with it it was hashes Sep 16 13:38:26 rwhitby: we need zecke's SRCPV fix Sep 16 13:38:39 yea, that is what i don't get. If you fetch a specific git version you get what you want. Does the build system use something else? Sep 16 13:38:41 mickeyl: so should FSO builds use bitbake from OM git repo? Sep 16 13:38:56 rwhitby: unclear, i have no experience with that Sep 16 13:39:01 i'd rather way until it's in OE Sep 16 13:39:05 DPThough1: given two git revisions, you can't order them just by looking at the revisions Sep 16 13:39:14 (you need access to the DAG) Sep 16 13:39:28 rwhitby! Sep 16 13:39:34 bitbake doesn't understand that at the moment Sep 16 13:39:43 (at least the bitbake the FSO builds use doesn't) Sep 16 13:39:59 mickeyl, and where can i get the zhone source code? Sep 16 13:40:05 hmm, reminds me that i hate bitbake Sep 16 13:40:12 TAsn: git.freesmartphone.org Sep 16 13:40:19 fair enough. Sep 16 13:40:21 :) Sep 16 13:40:29 gimpy Sep 16 13:41:22 rwhitby: yets. they are not version numbers. But one should be able to say packet xyz is build from this git revision and this and that patch id. Should not the receipes specify what exact source they want? Honestly i have no idea how bitbake is used, but i expected it wo be this way. Sep 16 13:41:55 DPThough1: that's why I've said they are not upgrade compatible Sep 16 13:42:08 hah Sep 16 13:42:09 surprisae Sep 16 13:42:29 since you can't determine if the package in the feed is newer or older than the package you already have, just by looking at the git commit id Sep 16 13:42:50 I suppose so Sep 16 13:43:19 You should at least have the abilitity to tell it that, explicitly! Sep 16 13:43:26 rwhitby: yea, as long as you use head. But this is no suprise. Sep 16 13:45:01 other version controll systems should have the same isseu. as long as they put versions on files and not on directories. Because if i change one source file the packages has not gone one numer up, only the file. Sep 16 13:46:54 We have the same problem here in our company. Head version buils are not very update safe, if we want to release something we have to count the sub verison number one up tag it and use this tag in the build receipe. Sep 16 13:47:16 like package version plus build number. Sep 16 13:47:43 lot of work though... Sep 16 13:50:38 i hope some time i will understand how openmoko build systems work. dangerous superficial knowledge :) Sep 16 13:51:06 hmm, i never liked bitbake, its a big hack Sep 16 13:51:30 hah Sep 16 13:51:33 * mickeyl disagrees Sep 16 13:51:46 ronny: Why ? for me it's the best system I see. Sep 16 13:51:53 first time i looked at it id sruck me as very nice. But from thre much can go wrong to a really good build system Sep 16 13:51:58 nasty boy. go back 6 years and use buildroot Sep 16 13:52:00 :D Sep 16 13:52:01 I don't tried scratchbox yet ... Sep 16 13:52:14 But my standpoint is, there is no good build system period. Sep 16 13:52:25 just cause there is no good system one shouldnt consider the least bad thing good Sep 16 13:52:46 * starox have to use buildbot, thus loves bitabke :) Sep 16 13:53:11 :P Sep 16 13:53:30 haha Sep 16 13:53:44 mickeyl, that's evil :P Sep 16 13:54:42 what i don't like with bb is that it fetches sources from external sources. But i guess this depends on how you uses it. It can but i guess it does not need to be so. Sep 16 13:57:55 bah Sep 16 13:58:35 Dave: !!! Sep 16 13:58:40 Damn right! Sep 16 13:59:19 What's new on Moko Sep 16 13:59:32 DPThough1: where should the sources come from? Sep 16 13:59:43 feel free to download them by manually and stick them into the sources dir Sep 16 13:59:45 no one stopping you :) Sep 16 14:00:59 we have a system where we have the source tgz and the build script in our cvs. This way we can allways build every version we ever had, and we are not limited to having internet while building. Sep 16 14:02:00 right Sep 16 14:02:06 no one stopping you from doing that w/ bitbake Sep 16 14:02:13 the original sources get deleted and moved i don't like to keep track of that Sep 16 14:02:18 mickeyl: exactly ;) Sep 16 14:02:56 bitbake me some lunch Sep 16 14:03:09 hello, on 2008.8...is there something that i can use to set environnement variable when a shell starts? Sep 16 14:03:16 such as bashrc... Sep 16 14:03:27 yes Sep 16 14:03:55 Dave, what's the location of this file? Sep 16 14:04:08 well, if you're using bash, then that works fine Sep 16 14:04:15 otherwise just edit your /etc/profile file Sep 16 14:04:26 I doubt your freerunner has multiple users anyway :P Sep 16 14:04:34 so editing the global config is perfectly fine Sep 16 14:04:41 thanks... Sep 16 14:05:14 it's for keychain...because typing long ssh key password on the freerunner is time consuming Sep 16 14:07:29 yeah that's dumb :) Sep 16 14:10:16 does anyone know where i can change the fonts illume is using? Sep 16 14:10:53 in its theme file Sep 16 14:11:19 hrm. no gpe-phonepanel in debian-armel :/ Sep 16 14:15:11 Wonka wonka wonka Sep 16 14:15:29 Yes, burn the crappy fonts! Sep 16 14:15:37 Make a phone that works Sep 16 14:15:39 gpe phone edition looks very nice... Sep 16 14:18:22 ya Sep 16 14:18:27 it had potential Sep 16 14:18:38 unfortunately work on it stopped before it really could move Sep 16 14:19:38 Alas. Sep 16 14:19:45 Torikun, agreed! Sep 16 14:32:46 hey, is the openmoko-fso*rootfs.jffs2.summary actually a .jffs2? that is, is it safe to flash to the freerunner as rootfs? Sep 16 14:33:22 yes Sep 16 14:33:41 thanks, just wanted to make sure Sep 16 14:34:16 that summary somehow speeds up the mount time of jffs2 partitions according to google Sep 16 14:34:49 oh? neat Sep 16 14:37:49 Dave, /etc/profile is only called when i log from my laptop to the freerunner with ssh...but not when i run openmoko-terminal2 Sep 16 14:39:06 matchbox-desktop is nice - but i want a way to get back to already running apps O.o Sep 16 14:51:53 by the way the planet says that minimo has no ssl support but yesterday i found nothing in the bug tracking system...did i miss something? Sep 16 14:52:21 i fixed the fso theme though i suggest putting a utf8 font in the theme ;0 Sep 16 14:55:14 by the way evince is quite fast on the freerunner but there is also another problem...i can't download pdf with minimo,openmoko-browser-2 and midori Sep 16 14:55:30 and i can't copy the address so i do it with wget... Sep 16 15:00:01 what's the best hour(UTC time...i'll made the conversion) to ask question in this channel? because i had no answer on the second /etc/profile question,the 2 browser question(download pdf and ssl) Sep 16 15:04:10 the evening (GMT+2 / MESZ) its quite crowded here Sep 16 15:10:15 ok thanks...because sometimes there is nobody and sometimes it's crowded... Sep 16 15:10:20 i'm GMT+1 Sep 16 15:11:04 half the year i'm gmt+1, too - depends if it's daylight savings time or not :D Sep 16 15:11:11 ok...lol Sep 16 15:12:18 for the broswer thing i think i will end up compiling firefox 3.0 with openembeedded...and adding add-ons for maximizing the screen size...like what they do on the eeepc Sep 16 15:12:53 firefox3 runs really slow imho, thats no fun... Sep 16 15:17:15 ok...so should i bugreport for the 3 browser? Sep 16 15:19:39 damn, illume keyboard won't use utf chars without "" which means only with dic matching. Sep 16 15:19:42 which sucks ;\ Sep 16 15:19:50 i did fuzz 0 Sep 16 15:19:57 so it is usable but still. Sep 16 15:28:17 add bridge failed: Package not installed Sep 16 15:28:24 does that mean that the bridging module is not in the kernel Sep 16 16:22:43 someone who has knowledge about xul? Is there a possibility for reading the output of for example opkg list? How should I do that best? Sep 16 16:43:30 does someone knows very well openmoko-terminal2...why doesn't it use .bashrc and .profile files? Sep 16 16:48:49 Gnutoo: Because you're not running bash as your shell Sep 16 16:49:09 Gnutoo: If you execute bash once you get a term up, it will run your .bashrc Sep 16 16:49:23 I can't figure out how to change the shell in OM :-9 Sep 16 16:49:25 wurp2|working, how can i make bash executed by default? Sep 16 16:49:37 see above :-( Sep 16 16:49:44 wurp2|working, ok...by the way it works in ssh ...only in ssh Sep 16 16:50:09 Gnutoo: it starts in bash? Sep 16 16:50:20 Gnutoo: I think I had my ssh starting in bash for a while too Sep 16 16:50:23 wurp2|working, i think so... .bashrc and .profile are loaded Sep 16 16:50:27 I think because I set SHELL Sep 16 16:50:49 Normally I think .profile is run from /etc/profile Sep 16 16:50:52 # echo $SHELL => /bin/sh in ssh mode.... Sep 16 16:51:08 Gnutoo: But it runs your .bashrc?!? Sep 16 16:51:17 yes Sep 16 16:51:32 i've keychain in my bashrc and it is run... Sep 16 16:53:25 i will change my shell in /etc/passwd Sep 16 16:54:02 Gnutoo: That is weird. I don't know why .bashrc would be run by ssh if your shell is /bin/sh Sep 16 16:54:14 Do you run .bashrc from your .profile? Sep 16 16:55:25 wurp2|working, yes Sep 16 16:56:24 Gnutoo: That's probably why it runs in ssh Sep 16 16:56:50 Normally you shouldn't have to call your .shellrc from .profile, iirc Sep 16 16:57:29 wurp2|working, i just copied /etc/skel and modified bashrc... Sep 16 16:57:45 s/skel/skel content/ Sep 16 16:57:45 Gnutoo meant: wurp2|working, i just copied /etc/skel content and modified bashrc... Sep 16 17:00:17 argh, my micro sd card! Sep 16 17:00:31 i've changed the shell to bash and openmoko-terminal2 doesn't work anymore... Sep 16 17:02:24 phew, found it Sep 16 17:05:22 hmm Sep 16 17:05:53 just installed openmoko-browser2 with on my fresh 2008.8 but enlightenment fails to start it Sep 16 17:06:07 "enlightenment was unable to run the application: openmoko-browser2" Sep 16 17:06:19 2008.8-update Sep 16 17:06:44 installed it with opkg and tried to start it from the home screen Sep 16 17:06:47 any idea? Sep 16 17:11:15 try from the cci Sep 16 17:11:22 bipak, cli Sep 16 17:15:49 Gnutoo: awesome Sep 16 17:16:08 am I supposed to be able to access the memory card in fso? Sep 16 17:18:50 Gnutoo: awesome Sep 16 17:19:03 So even still it seems like 2008.8 is an abysmal failure Sep 16 17:19:04 :) Sep 16 17:19:34 mwester, was it you who discovered or analyzed the periodic behavior of the gsm dropping/deregistration? Sep 16 17:20:00 Dave: Good to see you're still maintaining your positive outlook :) Sep 16 17:21:13 sevenhundred: hell yes Sep 16 17:21:46 hmmm Sep 16 17:22:08 /media/mmc? (I think ? = 1 or 2) Sep 16 17:22:24 Not sure if it's mounted at /media/card, although I would think so Sep 16 17:22:52 the first partition gets mounted by qtopia on /media/card Sep 16 17:23:07 the next Xth one on /media/mmcblk0pX Sep 16 17:23:53 oh, /media? lol, I thought it was /dev Sep 16 17:23:55 Tanuva: do you know if there's a graphical indication of whether Qtopia is fast or slow charging? Sep 16 17:24:59 sevenhundred: Yeah, it felt wrong to type /media, but I thought that's what I've been seeing... I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it's /media. Sep 16 17:25:16 /dev/wurp2 Sep 16 17:25:44 bricode, I have never waivered in that respect :) Sep 16 17:26:01 Dave: At least you're consistent :) Sep 16 17:26:16 wurp2, I\ll check it out Sep 16 17:26:19 That's definitely got to count for something :D Sep 16 17:26:31 so, how do i read/write sms through command line on ASU? Sep 16 17:26:36 bricode, I find it amusing how jadams's question from over a month ago is still quite pertinent. Sep 16 17:26:54 Dave: I'm not familiar with the initial question... Sep 16 17:27:07 Is 2008.8 ready for the neo yet? Sep 16 17:27:33 zogg_: Can you even do that? It would be similar to how you do it on qtopia, I'd think, if that's possible Sep 16 17:27:52 He was merely asking a noobish question but hit at the heart of the fundamental issue we seem to be struggling with here each every day. Sep 16 17:27:57 Yeah, I'm running qtopia now :-/ Sep 16 17:27:59 When will 2008.8 support the freerunner? :P Sep 16 17:28:09 wurp - icky - when did that happen? Sep 16 17:28:14 Last weekend Sep 16 17:28:22 Any particular reason? Sep 16 17:28:26 It's actually very nice in most respects Sep 16 17:28:32 I can consistently get & make phone calls :-) Sep 16 17:28:38 ^^ reason ^^ Sep 16 17:28:40 yeah yeah Sep 16 17:28:49 but can they hear you? :P Sep 16 17:28:51 and vice versa Sep 16 17:28:54 I don't like how it deals with charging Sep 16 17:29:00 wurp2|working, dunno, thats why im asking. Someone mentioned its possible using Python tho Sep 16 17:29:01 yeah, it's pretty dumb Sep 16 17:29:05 Yeah, not sure about echo, but we def can hear one another Sep 16 17:29:07 I just unplugged mine Sep 16 17:29:16 my qtopia freerunner Sep 16 17:29:34 because it lacks charge capacity reporting of any practical sort Sep 16 17:29:36 stupid thing Sep 16 17:29:42 Other than charging, I like it pretty well Sep 16 17:29:54 Yeha Sep 16 17:29:58 I'd use it if it had applications. Sep 16 17:30:05 how can i deactivate the stupid auto completion of the 2008.8 keyboard? Sep 16 17:30:12 haha Sep 16 17:30:21 If I can get a flavor of my charge app working on it, I'll be happy. Oh, and if I can find a gps app Sep 16 17:30:27 predictive text has struck again! Sep 16 17:30:38 bipak: Maybe if you empty out the dictionary file... Sep 16 17:30:41 wurp2, yeah, that seems to be a critical aspect of qtopia use :) Sep 16 17:30:52 Wow, that's pretty sad. Sep 16 17:30:52 Dave: .. :) Sep 16 17:30:58 im not able to type "www" Sep 16 17:31:04 haha Sep 16 17:31:13 bipak: If it's just a few words, you could add them to the dictionary Sep 16 17:31:15 damnit man Sep 16 17:31:25 slaxxin! Sep 16 17:31:27 wurp2|working: hmm ok. if that is the way it goes... Sep 16 17:31:34 wats up Sep 16 17:31:59 any new distros to try today Sep 16 17:32:03 haha Sep 16 17:32:04 hah Sep 16 17:32:06 oh man Sep 16 17:32:19 anyone doing debian + fso ms3? Sep 16 17:32:30 im nubulard to FDOM Sep 16 17:32:34 It's pretty sad how valid some of these noobly questions really are ;) Sep 16 17:32:45 wurp, that sounds kinky :P Sep 16 17:33:01 that sounds nice... I woulda put it on last weekend if I'd been able to get an 8 gb microsd Sep 16 17:33:02 also sounds like megafail Sep 16 17:33:08 aw Sep 16 17:33:09 its the real stuff those newb questions Sep 16 17:33:13 you should have one! Sep 16 17:33:28 im shopping too Sep 16 17:33:46 i need about 4 of the 4 gig ones Sep 16 17:33:47 slaxxer: well, we have a radio shack gift card to burn up Sep 16 17:34:07 According to their web site, they have 8gb for $40, which is only $10 more than I would pay somewhere else Sep 16 17:34:14 ahh i think theres better fish to fry Sep 16 17:34:30 And like I say, we have this gift card to use up. But the local store had nothing over 2gb :-/ Sep 16 17:34:39 eww Sep 16 17:34:46 Costco ftw Sep 16 17:34:54 yeah, and one of those was $40! nimrods. Sep 16 17:34:58 walmarts 4 gig was 25 bucks pfft Sep 16 17:35:12 slaxxer: you can get 8gb online for $30 Sep 16 17:36:13 I'll take a dozen! Sep 16 17:36:31 Hi, I need some pointer for programming a application in python for the freerunner. In short, wich API's do I need to handle if I wish to grab touchscreen raw-input and output data as a keyboard in console and/or X? Sep 16 17:38:32 http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Card-SDSDQ-8192-Package/dp/B0012Y2LLE Sep 16 17:39:24 i think i need 4 4gig ones instead Sep 16 17:39:44 i think i need money, and then i will buy a 32gb one :)))) Sep 16 17:39:51 soo cool. Sep 16 17:40:35 SSD? Sep 16 17:40:45 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012Y2LLE?smid=A2BYVMH7NSQ63F&tag=shopzilla_rev_1356-20&linkCode=asn Sep 16 17:41:08 slaxxin spam Sep 16 17:41:20 can\t wait until they start selling 1 tb micro sd's Sep 16 17:41:24 wow its a class 2 Sep 16 17:41:41 ooh la la Sep 16 17:41:52 sevenhundred, why would anyone want that? Sep 16 17:41:58 it's totally impractical. Sep 16 17:42:11 * Tanuva would be happy with 32gig Sep 16 17:42:17 128Kb should be enough for anyone! Sep 16 17:42:24 :D Sep 16 17:42:29 That's what the phone makers think! Sep 16 17:42:41 who's the one that asked me about MacOS yesterday? Sep 16 17:42:55 anyway, everyone knows bigger is better Sep 16 17:43:13 sevenhundred: 5! Sep 16 17:43:13 Dave: CISC Uber alles ^_^ Sep 16 17:43:30 sevenhundred: especially when talking about loads Sep 16 17:43:30 gsm is sucking my battery dry reregistering Sep 16 17:43:58 That's some RISCy business :p Sep 16 17:44:31 Dave: ... I'd slap you with a trout if it was the first of april ^_^ Sep 16 17:45:03 anyway, my old 512 or whatever comes with the freerunner isn't in /media either! :( Sep 16 17:45:17 there's just the empty directories Sep 16 17:45:22 sevenhundred, weird. Sep 16 17:45:23 :D Sep 16 17:45:31 idk Sep 16 17:45:44 mount /dev/mmc /media/card ? ;0 Sep 16 17:46:10 ixian-probe, bare hyggeli ;p Sep 16 17:46:55 TAsn: no mmc* there Sep 16 17:47:07 700: failure Sep 16 17:47:10 weird. Sep 16 17:47:13 Dave: Velbekomme ^_^ Sep 16 17:47:25 not even an epic fail :( Sep 16 17:47:26 mm something else maybe? Sep 16 17:47:29 m? Sep 16 17:47:57 du er kul :P Sep 16 17:47:58 there's mtd's? Sep 16 17:48:02 no Sep 16 17:48:05 mtb is flash Sep 16 17:48:07 mtd's? Sep 16 17:48:08 anything else? Sep 16 17:48:10 bbq's? Sep 16 17:48:15 choxes? Sep 16 17:48:16 mtd* Sep 16 17:48:31 Anyhow, I'm still i need of a wise all knowing Python & Openmoko API Guru to point me at the right API's needed to grab input from the touchscreen and send output as a keyboard in console and/or X. Sep 16 17:48:52 Dave: Of course I'm Cool ^_^ Sep 16 17:49:01 sevenhundred, i think you should take the mmc out of the box and put it in it's slot behind the sim ;] Sep 16 17:49:01 TAsn: there's just the usual gunk other than that :/ Sep 16 17:49:04 IXian-probe, sec Sep 16 17:49:22 TAsn, what, it has to be IN the slot? Sep 16 17:49:23 IXian-probe, fso? Sep 16 17:49:26 IXian-probe: read the matchbox-keyboard sources? Sep 16 17:49:29 TAsn: yes please. Sep 16 17:49:32 sevenhundred, yeah, ;0 Sep 16 17:49:33 :p Sep 16 17:49:43 scary Sep 16 17:49:53 IXian-probe, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD Sep 16 17:50:01 i think you are looking for .input Sep 16 17:50:03 Wonka: nope, I'm _very_ fresh and I just need some pointers no stuff to read up. Like for example matchbox-keyboard sorces ^_^ Sep 16 17:50:06 anyhow this is a useful place. Sep 16 17:50:52 hi. on 2008.8/neo when it suspends after 30 seconds, how do you wake it up? Sep 16 17:51:08 almien: try pressing power button.... Sep 16 17:51:13 and to send as keyboard, my best guess is making a fpipe and telling x its a keyboard and emulating a keyboard, i don't know anything else, i guess matchbox keyboard sources are the best solution. Sep 16 17:51:17 TAsn: thanks.. I've bookmarked it. ^_^ Sep 16 17:51:20 snp: for how long Sep 16 17:51:31 someone must've hacked my sd card. It's the only conclusion! Sep 16 17:51:32 almien: well try holding it until it starts Sep 16 17:51:32 pressing it once does nothing Sep 16 17:51:33 IXian-probe, hehe same here :) Sep 16 17:51:42 Wonka: thanks for the tip Sep 16 17:51:47 probulate! Sep 16 17:52:03 sevenhundred, that's probably it... ;0 Sep 16 17:52:16 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r5f313819ac9c 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [meta-toolchain] Abstract using package. Sep 16 17:52:16 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r5198c3f21d07 10/packages/ (meta/meta-toolchain.bb tasks/task-sdk-host.bb): [meta-toolchain] Add libtool-sdk to openmoko-toolchain-host Sep 16 17:52:35 pykuk Sep 16 17:53:32 snp: ok so if 2008.8 never wakes up after holding the power button then there's a problem with the OS/phone then? Sep 16 17:53:50 almien: did you boot into NAND after flashing? Sep 16 17:54:10 no it was running the OS before it went dark Sep 16 17:54:13 almien: hold power button down, then press aux and holding them until it boots the boot loader Sep 16 17:54:33 almien: I had problems with my last install, but NAND boot always started Sep 16 17:54:43 almien, it probably tried to sleep Sep 16 17:54:46 and then never wakes up Sep 16 17:54:50 as suspend never works Sep 16 17:55:16 Dave: I got suspend working on 2008.8 on mine, at least that what it seemed to do. Sep 16 17:55:18 heh, I guess that may be one more reason to use the qtopia, wurp ;p Sep 16 17:55:29 snp, I doubt it works as intended, however. Sep 16 17:55:32 Dave: Suspend appears to be working on Qtopia 4.3.2 :-) Sep 16 17:55:39 Dave: I'm flashing mine to the daily 2008.8 build from a qtopia :) Sep 16 17:55:40 yeah yeah Sep 16 17:55:47 heh Sep 16 17:55:53 how's that going for you? Sep 16 17:56:01 Did qtopia get boring? :P Sep 16 17:56:14 just flashed it from Mac, so I hope I can boot now :) Sep 16 17:56:24 nah, just wanted to show my co workers qtopia here Sep 16 17:56:30 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r852ad9bc08d7 10/packages/opkg/opkg-sdk_svn.bb: [opkg-sdk] Fix wrong opkglibdir Sep 16 17:56:30 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r09f9df49409d 10/packages/meta/meta-toolchain-openmoko.bb: [meta-toolchain] Add POPULATE_SDK_EXTRA_TASK Sep 16 17:56:35 brb.. Sep 16 17:57:07 show them how pretty it was...? Sep 16 17:57:10 pretty sucky! ;D Sep 16 17:57:51 nah, how little memory you can squeeze in Linux distribution Sep 16 17:57:56 ok, so back to qtopia then Sep 16 17:58:17 since it's usefull for our business Sep 16 17:58:57 snp: very little if you really need it Sep 16 17:59:13 haha Sep 16 17:59:19 snp, qtopia? Sep 16 17:59:41 lindi-: yes but we need an X server running and gtk and a gecko browser. So tomorrow I'm showing Om2008.8 :) Sep 16 17:59:41 might be productive, anyway, because you can't do anything eles on it! Sep 16 17:59:42 :p Sep 16 18:00:08 Dave: no not really but as German ppl I thought I might show them a qt based product first :P Sep 16 18:00:19 haha, wtf? Sep 16 18:00:26 damn germans Sep 16 18:00:53 Krazy Deutschen and their KDE :P Sep 16 18:01:11 snp: ok those requirements make it quite different Sep 16 18:01:15 :P Sep 16 18:01:17 hahahahaha oh god yeah Sep 16 18:01:33 so if going to sleep mode kills 2008.8, it might be a good idea to disable the "power button = sleep mode" feature? Sep 16 18:01:37 Joerg, so I discovered that taking my Freerunner to my Electronics laboratory today, wasn't such a good idea :P Sep 16 18:01:55 Equipment other people's cellphones were poppin', cracklin', and all kinds of fun. Sep 16 18:02:12 It's like, OOH I just got a message! and everything goes crazy around the room :P Sep 16 18:02:19 hahah, how covert :p Sep 16 18:03:57 worked perfectly fine to flash from Mac, just a bit tricky though, but should I commit my howto on the wiki? Sep 16 18:04:36 Dave: I get that kind of interference with all mobile phones not just the FR Sep 16 18:04:38 Dave: the FR was RF interfering with other cell phones? Sep 16 18:05:00 wait, other phones?? Sep 16 18:06:24 wurp, yep Sep 16 18:06:39 the guy's phone next to me crackled, it was freaky Sep 16 18:06:54 Tig, sucky Sep 16 18:06:57 :-( Sep 16 18:07:14 Wurp Yeah, well, it's not like I'm surprised. Sep 16 18:07:23 I am Sep 16 18:07:26 that is really odd, I thought all the output stuff was locked away and was tested and approved Sep 16 18:07:31 We all knew the interference problem was never solved. Sep 16 18:07:52 But I don't do much hw stuff. I know the physics, but have no experience with engineering other than hacking hw to do what I want Sep 16 18:07:53 Woo, Go TI! Sep 16 18:08:13 I would have thought they would have trouble getting it approved for sale without solving such problems Sep 16 18:08:17 wurp, haha yeah, too bad it doesn't work similarly with our women :P Sep 16 18:08:26 :-) Sep 16 18:08:51 wurp2|working: that is what I would have thought as it has to pass all kinds of EM tests Sep 16 18:09:05 Tig, dude... it came from teh cn! Sep 16 18:09:15 "Then switch keyboard from "None" to "Default" in Illume's preferences. " i feeld kinda noobish.. but, where are the preferences? Sep 16 18:09:24 Ten year old kids in a wooden shack aren't necessarily concerned with all that. Sep 16 18:09:27 unless it is the chipset which gets the approval and then they can boilerplate it onto any hw using it Sep 16 18:09:43 yeah I think that's pretty much how it went Sep 16 18:10:06 Dave: yeah but it is FIC that are actually building them and they should know how to do this shit by now Sep 16 18:10:25 haha Sep 16 18:10:27 you'd think so! Sep 16 18:10:40 Why do you think they had a falling out with FIC? :P Sep 16 18:10:58 haha, more like WIC Sep 16 18:11:03 Worst International Computar Sep 16 18:11:24 have they? not been following things over the last few days, bought a canoe and have been preoccupied :) Sep 16 18:11:41 yeah, I heard that the production of the freerunner was OM had a falling out with FIC Sep 16 18:11:46 that's why they're name is not on it Sep 16 18:11:57 ah Sep 16 18:12:02 (as opposed to the GTA01) Sep 16 18:12:10 the Neos did have it on the back iirc Sep 16 18:12:16 or some of the mockups did Sep 16 18:12:27 def seen pictures with FIC on them Sep 16 18:12:28 they had it on the front Sep 16 18:12:36 FIC Sep 16 18:12:51 hmm Sep 16 18:13:05 Fucking Inferior Computing Sep 16 18:13:14 Anyhoo, the freerunner is awesome Sep 16 18:13:20 even if it destroys CRT monitors :P Sep 16 18:13:27 does anyone know the state of the SHR atm, I notice there are build instructions for it now Sep 16 18:13:45 Dave: CRTs are for dinosaurs and me :) Sep 16 18:14:02 check mailling list and wiki? :) Sep 16 18:14:05 * Tig|_ hugs biggassed 21 inch monster that weighs 3 tons Sep 16 18:14:13 can anyone tell me, how i can get to the illume config window? Sep 16 18:14:24 Dave, it was the terminal emulator...with vte it works... Sep 16 18:14:39 Fossi: well it is not on the wiki page and Community mailing list has turned into a shambles for finding information on it Sep 16 18:16:37 bipac u have 2008.8om? Sep 16 18:17:26 did u use the installer to install it? Sep 16 18:17:35 did u reboot? Sep 16 18:17:41 slaxxer: yes, no, no Sep 16 18:18:04 did u restart x?/ Sep 16 18:18:08 yes :) Sep 16 18:18:21 Tig|_: there's an shr mailinglist Sep 16 18:18:27 but haven't really installed it.. its was there... Sep 16 18:18:42 thats what i think.. Sep 16 18:18:42 Fossi: there is/ Sep 16 18:18:43 ? Sep 16 18:18:51 well mine didnt show up untill reboot although i didnt restartx Sep 16 18:18:51 Tig|_: medium sucky, at the moment Sep 16 18:18:52 I did not see it on the wiki Sep 16 18:18:54 opkg list_installed|grep illumes, lists all packages Sep 16 18:19:09 Tig|_: it's the ML from the shr.projects.om.org site Sep 16 18:19:12 Fossi: I will hunti it down Sep 16 18:19:17 :) Sep 16 18:19:32 Tig|_: Right now you can't dial initiate a call :-( Sep 16 18:19:35 so theres no wrench icon in the upper menu? Sep 16 18:19:35 Got FSO MS3 on atm and without a feed it is not useful to me Sep 16 18:19:55 Tig|_: how's sms, calls, suspend/resume on MS3? Sep 16 18:19:56 wurp2|working: well, when has shr been less sucky? ;) Sep 16 18:20:01 wurp2|working: well atm I am not using it for calls :) Sep 16 18:20:02 Fossi: never Sep 16 18:20:07 see? ;) Sep 16 18:20:13 slaxxer: nope Sep 16 18:20:20 it's getting better all the time Sep 16 18:20:21 that's the good thing with unfinished software Sep 16 18:20:31 for which I can take no credit; I do basically nothing on it :-( Sep 16 18:20:48 at least it's prolly release alongside dnf. maybe even a little before that Sep 16 18:21:00 aleix and quick are the guys now Sep 16 18:21:02 wurp2|working: calls seem ok, text comethrough but not always listed but that seems to be more of a zhone thing Sep 16 18:21:14 my moko is still broken and i still didn't get around sending it in Sep 16 18:21:29 dnf? Sep 16 18:21:38 slaxxer: i wanted another keyboard an followed these instructions http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#Virtual_Keyboard Sep 16 18:21:40 but i have to one of these days, because my shitty windows mobile htc phone broke Sep 16 18:21:41 I need to test suspend resume more as I have not played enough with it to tell you if it is working Sep 16 18:21:46 duke nukem forever ;) Sep 16 18:22:10 slaxxer: but i dont know how the access the prefereces of illume.. probably through the wrench icon.. but there isn't one Sep 16 18:22:48 did u install an image or upgrade to this? Sep 16 18:22:55 this Finger keyboard I see as a top download, what is the difference compared to Om2008.8 one? Sep 16 18:23:03 or should I say qtopia keyboard.. Sep 16 18:23:04 i installed om2008.8-update on my sd card Sep 16 18:23:25 downloaded and decompressed it on the card Sep 16 18:23:29 Fossi: hah Sep 16 18:24:03 and a matching kernel to? Sep 16 18:24:09 sure Sep 16 18:24:14 from the same directory Sep 16 18:24:30 try a reboot Sep 16 18:24:48 hmm, ok Sep 16 18:26:11 u didnt use wireless to download it did u? Sep 16 18:26:43 an of course u didnt check the md5sums correct? Sep 16 18:27:22 the whole 2008.8 dist? Sep 16 18:27:34 no downloaded it via cable Sep 16 18:27:42 :P Sep 16 18:28:09 well its a good idea to check an image before installing it Sep 16 18:28:41 omgwtfrootkits Sep 16 18:28:52 WHERE Sep 16 18:28:58 >:) Sep 16 18:28:59 hi everyone :) Sep 16 18:29:07 on your freerunner?/ Sep 16 18:29:08 Die Deutschen! Sep 16 18:29:16 Dave: Wo? ;) Sep 16 18:29:20 * Dave hides Sep 16 18:29:26 Dave: it would be a shite cracker who needed to rootkit a device that ships running as root without a password Sep 16 18:29:33 i saw a file on my freerunner that looked odd Sep 16 18:29:36 hahahaha Sep 16 18:29:39 Awesome! Sep 16 18:29:42 Anyone using Raster's keyboard? Sep 16 18:29:43 Tig, we totally need to do it :P Sep 16 18:30:02 I wonder if anyone has a page dedicated to how many security vulnerabilities the freerunner has :P Sep 16 18:30:17 it is a big page Sep 16 18:30:33 Can anyone help me obtaining a uboot-shell from NAND? It works from NOR... -.- Sep 16 18:30:52 okay Sep 16 18:31:02 boot it with the button order reversed as indicated on the freerunner wiki Sep 16 18:31:09 check Sep 16 18:31:24 Dave: "I'm in your phonez installing a, wait are the feeds down for everyone or just me? shit the battery is nearly gone can someone plug me in??!?" Sep 16 18:31:27 Problem is, it doesn't get detected as an ACM-device that way :( Sep 16 18:31:38 lets see they got your address root with no password Sep 16 18:33:18 slaxxer: actually the keyboard does punt you towards crap passwords.... you are not going to use @r$3b@D9erz as a password as it will take you years to use on screen Sep 16 18:33:25 any ideas anyone? Am I hitting a known bug in uboot, maybe? Sep 16 18:34:04 ChaosEagle: no idea here I am afraid Sep 16 18:34:10 hmm... Sep 16 18:34:18 too bad, but thanks anyway Sep 16 18:34:39 stick around someone may suddenly chime in with an answer Sep 16 18:34:52 is there another way to edit the menu entries for uboot, without obtaining a prompt? Sep 16 18:35:07 beyond me I am afraid Sep 16 18:35:17 k, thx anyway :) Sep 16 18:35:36 what you might need is for mickey|dinner to finish his lunch and leap in here like a superhero :) Sep 16 18:35:40 midori was really fast, but an interface for touch devices would be nice ;) Sep 16 18:35:51 hehe, okay, will do Sep 16 18:36:02 enjoy your meal @mickey|dinner btw :D Sep 16 18:36:34 ChaosEagle, you're supposed to be able to by downloading the environment to your comp, editing it there with a special program and upload it again Sep 16 18:36:43 unless I misunderstood your question Sep 16 18:36:48 oh, okay - it's in the wiki, I suppose? Sep 16 18:37:15 no, I don't think you did. I want to edit my uboot (NAND) menu entries so I can boot from my ext2-formatted SD-Card Sep 16 18:38:01 hello, how do i make my own icons entries on the desktop in 2008.8? i need a vte icon... Sep 16 18:38:13 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner it's described here Sep 16 18:38:19 just what you're looking for Sep 16 18:38:27 chaoseagle Sep 16 18:38:33 thx :) Sep 16 18:38:48 apt summon mwester Sep 16 18:38:49 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing mwester's coordinates Sep 16 18:40:14 -,- iirc Sep 16 18:40:18 maybe not Sep 16 18:40:51 no problem :) Sep 16 18:42:38 sevenhundred: Looks useful, thanks a lot Sep 16 18:43:04 sevenhundred: Did you use it yourself? It should boot any image from an ext2-partition on the card, not just debian, right? Sep 16 18:43:55 when I used it, I kinda departed from the instructions and ended up with an unusable phone :p Sep 16 18:44:22 sevenhundred: *laughs* okay, but you managed to fix it? Sep 16 18:44:50 so, um, follow the instructions :) yup, I fixed it after some time Sep 16 18:45:00 sevenhundred: Okay, thanks for the warning Sep 16 18:45:57 just tell me if you manage to bork it up like I did :) Sep 16 18:47:00 sevenhundred: Not yet, I have one more question :D Sep 16 18:47:42 sevenhundred: looking at the script, it says "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" -> that means the rootfs is on the 2nd partition, right? Sep 16 18:48:11 sevenhundred: So should I change it to /dev/mmcblk0p1 for me, where I have only a single (first) ext2 partition on the card? Sep 16 18:49:25 can't say for certain, actually. It sounds reasonable, but I really don;t know :/ Sep 16 18:49:56 sevenhundred: Okay, I guess I'll try that, then ^^ Sep 16 18:50:11 I can just picture it in a counterstrike like listing Sep 16 18:50:39 Chocky freerunner Dave Sep 16 18:50:49 chaoseagle: tell us how it went! sounds thrilling :D Sep 16 18:50:50 Chocky deagle sevenhundred Sep 16 18:51:21 sevenhundred: Will do :D Sep 16 18:52:06 Dave: chocky? :P your references to popular culture are wasted on me Sep 16 18:53:22 :D Sep 16 18:55:38 erm Sep 16 18:55:45 one thing that cought my eye Sep 16 18:55:59 the debian-script wants me to boot into NOR, too Sep 16 18:56:10 is it at all possible to obtain a shell from NAND then? Sep 16 18:58:09 probably Sep 16 18:59:39 sevenhundred: Hooray! I b0rked my Freerunner! :D Sep 16 18:59:51 ChaosEagle: congratulations Sep 16 19:00:05 zash: Thank you ;) Sep 16 19:00:28 savour the moment :) Sep 16 19:00:47 the debian-script obviously doesn't work... at least not for booting into flash Sep 16 19:02:08 sevenhundred: Okay, to be precise - it b0rked my NAND-boot Sep 16 19:02:16 ChaosEagle: thumbs up Sep 16 19:02:23 so it seems the environment for the NAND is still written from NOR Sep 16 19:02:32 what happened, then? Sep 16 19:02:49 I can boot normally (and from NOR) Sep 16 19:03:15 not by just pressing power, then? Sep 16 19:03:20 but the NAND boot menu is messed up after the first entry (which is boot from SD, which still doesn't find the uimage) Sep 16 19:03:39 I guess pressing power works just as well, I'll test in a sec Sep 16 19:04:30 I guess all I have to do is to boot into nor, get a prompt and set a new and sane uboot environment Sep 16 19:07:30 good luck Sep 16 19:07:32 sevenhundred: Okay, booting the "normal" way by pressing power works just fine. It's just the NAND menu thats broken Sep 16 19:08:07 sevenhundred: At least I thought so - just a sec pls Sep 16 19:08:47 sevenhundred: Nope, normal boot hangs at the orange openmoko start screen. But I guess normal boot utilizes NAND, right? Sep 16 19:09:17 yup, normal boot goes through nand, so it's pretty much expected Sep 16 19:09:32 sevenhundred: Ah, okay. Should have thought of that :) Sep 16 19:11:13 but how come you can't get a nand prompt? :P Sep 16 19:12:37 sevenhundred: Well, I can boot into NAND, but I cant get a prompt via USB on my PC Sep 16 19:12:59 sevenhundred: That only works from NOR, for NAND no /dev/ttyACM0 is generated Sep 16 19:13:20 hello, how can I read my mail on the om2008.8 in a secure(encrypted) way? (such as ssl/tls supports) because the 3 browser don't support ssl,and the mail application of qtopia exit with unknow error when connecting to the standard compliant mail server Sep 16 19:13:34 ChaosEagle:did you do something with nand before this Sep 16 19:13:51 Gnutoo: mail application (qtmail) exits because it doesn't support SSL Sep 16 19:14:20 sevenhundred: I updated uboot to todays build... Sep 16 19:14:45 sevenhundred: Other than that, I played around with then env earlier Sep 16 19:14:45 viq, so what should i do? learn to use a command line mta? Sep 16 19:15:12 Gnutoo: or try something like imapsync or other solution that fetches mails locally Sep 16 19:15:26 i don't get why zhone is trying to turn on antenna, it should be a daemon's job Sep 16 19:15:35 viq, ok...there was a python script that did that...i'll look at it Sep 16 19:16:10 Gnutoo: though I'm not sure qtmail can read local mail Sep 16 19:16:24 ok Sep 16 19:16:32 ChaosEagle: alright, are you working in nor now? Sep 16 19:17:15 thanks Sep 16 19:17:15 sevenhundred: yeah Sep 16 19:19:29 viq :p Sep 16 19:19:52 Yes? Sep 16 19:19:57 Hallo! Sep 16 19:20:23 Heya Sep 16 19:21:05 :) Sep 16 19:21:23 damn illume keyboard is actually quite fast to type with... Hits the spots almost every time and I have big fingers :P Sep 16 19:22:19 :D Sep 16 19:22:22 Yes. Sep 16 19:22:26 All praise be to the Rasterman. Sep 16 19:22:37 ;) Sep 16 19:22:54 but the zoom function is a bit scary..... Sep 16 19:23:06 :D Sep 16 19:23:14 BIG SCARY LETTERS Sep 16 19:23:16 RAWR Sep 16 19:23:24 D: Sep 16 19:23:24 lol Sep 16 19:25:56 sevenhundred: If I'm not completely mistaken, I have a little situation here ;) Sep 16 19:26:15 oh :O Sep 16 19:26:16 sevenhundred: printenv in NOR returns the (working) env for NOR Sep 16 19:26:54 sevenhundred: So unless I manage to get a prompt from NAND... Sep 16 19:27:09 ah Sep 16 19:27:15 that is a problem, true Sep 16 19:28:10 so, ironically, I'm back at my original question, only more urgently now :D Sep 16 19:28:32 sevenhundred: which version of NAND are you using, and do you get a shell from yours? Sep 16 19:28:34 :P Sep 16 19:28:37 Nandcopters Sep 16 19:28:42 but you didn't get any error messages when you ran the configure-uboot? Sep 16 19:28:52 a moment Sep 16 19:29:01 sevenhundred: nope, I did it from NOR, as instructed =) Sep 16 19:29:20 which probalby works because it simply overwrites the uboot-env-partition Sep 16 19:29:41 (so I guess someone could just send me an image of their working NAND env) Sep 16 19:30:41 whoa, my nand is a bit weird Sep 16 19:31:01 hehe Sep 16 19:31:15 I only have one thing in the menu XD how did that happen? Sep 16 19:31:31 i guess something messed up my nand env so that it doesn't provide a prompt anymore Sep 16 19:31:37 does that sound possible? Sep 16 19:31:54 *does not know very much about uboot* Sep 16 19:32:30 I don;t think it;s impossible, though I\m no expert either :P Sep 16 19:33:16 have you tried with another computer? Sep 16 19:33:26 nope, not yet Sep 16 19:33:48 but I suppose the computer is not the problem, because getting a prompt from NOR with the same setup works... Sep 16 19:33:56 true Sep 16 19:34:16 sevenhundred: Can't hurt trying, though :) Sep 16 19:37:57 so, does anyone here have a (relatively) working nand-env which he/she could backup and send me? :) Sep 16 19:39:21 sevenhundred: Same result from my Laptop. No big surprise, though :) Sep 16 19:40:08 sorry I helped you bork your nand :/ pretty bad karma Sep 16 19:40:26 sevenhundred: No worries, I guess it was borked before :) Sep 16 19:41:11 sevenhundred: Could you just send me a backup of your uboot-env? If that enables the prompt for me again, I can reconstruct the rest myself :) Sep 16 19:41:55 Chaoseagle: yeah, that's true :) I think everyone here's too embarrassed about their nand env's :P sure, I'll just pay my bills and stuff Sep 16 19:42:44 what's running the "Home" of fso? illume? (i mean the desktop with the launchers) Sep 16 19:42:50 The Free Software Foundation is providing Freerunners to employees free of charge. Woot. :-) Sep 16 19:42:58 hrrr Sep 16 19:43:34 sevenhundred: Thanks :D Sep 16 19:46:38 woo, exactly 1337 sek in total Sep 16 19:46:47 LOL :D Sep 16 19:46:57 that's so... 1337 :D Sep 16 19:48:15 jaj: Hmm, you asked me the other day to let you know about something... don't remember what Sep 16 19:48:27 chaosEagle: give me you mail, and I'll send it :( Sep 16 19:48:36 :), i mean Sep 16 19:48:37 Ah, Qtopia media player Sep 16 19:48:42 I think I sort of figured it out Sep 16 19:48:44 wurp2|working: yes :) Sep 16 19:48:54 but it wasn't that important really Sep 16 19:48:54 You know how to get songs to play? Sep 16 19:49:06 sevenhundred: Look at your queries :) Sep 16 19:49:10 no, I don't know how to add songs to the collection Sep 16 19:49:23 The interface is slow if you have lots of music Sep 16 19:49:28 Which was my biggest frustration Sep 16 19:49:39 But if you click music, then wait a long time for the list to come up Sep 16 19:49:48 wurp2: you figured it out? Can you tell me how to set the search path right? Never worked for me -.- Sep 16 19:49:54 You may have to click back and them music again Sep 16 19:50:20 ChaosEagle: I dunno. It searched all of my sd card, which worked somewhat OK for me Sep 16 19:50:26 my music is in the list, anyway Sep 16 19:50:39 So after you get the list of album, artist, blah Sep 16 19:50:45 click whichever one you want Sep 16 19:50:49 and again wait a long time Sep 16 19:50:57 then keep clicking down until you get to a song Sep 16 19:51:22 Then there is a plus sign on the right side of the song, supposedly if you press & hold it, the song will be put in your current playlist Sep 16 19:52:22 That's as far as I've gotten, except to accidentally start several songs playing very loudly in embarassing situations Sep 16 19:52:29 oh, okay - but did you edit your Storage.conf? Sep 16 19:52:33 LOL :D Sep 16 19:52:59 ChaosEagle: nope Sep 16 19:53:06 It read my whole sd card by default Sep 16 19:53:21 Which gets everything I want, plus a bunch of crap I don't want Sep 16 19:53:33 mhh... do you have the image on SD or on flash? Sep 16 19:54:00 IMO it should let you view the files by directory location, and remove all files under directory X or add all files in directory X, plus on a file by file basis Sep 16 19:54:06 ChaosEagle: flash Sep 16 19:54:22 mhh, weird, me too Sep 16 19:54:26 oh that's why, I didn't have my music on the SD card, I have debian on the SD card Sep 16 19:54:26 FDOM, that is Sep 16 19:54:31 It would suck if it read the whole sd card, and I had the distro on the sd card Sep 16 19:54:31 I had the music in $HOME Sep 16 19:55:00 jaj: It sounds as if you should be able to edit Storage.conf to get the behavior you want Sep 16 19:55:21 I never put anything on flash, because I swap images too often Sep 16 20:01:56 Hello, is it possible to import and execute frameworkd in 2008.8, please? I'm asking because I want ogpsd agps functionality in 2008.8. Sep 16 20:11:01 ENCRYPTED MAIL IS WORKING...i'll make a wiki page Sep 16 20:11:04 !!! Sep 16 20:11:27 oh, cool, let us know how Sep 16 20:13:04 i will test that it's encrypted using tcpdump... Sep 16 20:13:44 Gnutoo: cool! Sep 16 20:13:59 Blackhex: yes, it is possible Sep 16 20:14:09 But you'll have to shut down qpe first, I believe Sep 16 20:14:27 (before running frameworkd, not before installing it) Sep 16 20:15:47 wurp2|working: so if I configure init scripts to first run frameworkd and the X it should work without collistions to other daemons like gpsd? Sep 16 20:16:33 hmm, I'm not sure about gpsd, but I don't think it would collide Sep 16 20:16:41 gps should support multiple readers Sep 16 20:17:30 If it does collide, I would think there is a way to turn off frameworkd daemons individually Sep 16 20:17:34 I just want to use almanac store/restore functionality of ogps with tangogps so maybe cut out relevant code to simple daemon listening amp events would be better but I don't quite know what to cut out Sep 16 20:18:10 Blackhex: ack! I misread your first request Sep 16 20:18:21 I thought you said ogsmd, not ogpsd Sep 16 20:18:36 You want to turn off frameworkd's gsm if you're installing on 2008.8 Sep 16 20:18:49 And do not turn off qpe, or your phone won't work Sep 16 20:20:11 I do think the two gps managers will work together OK Sep 16 20:20:31 omgd the OMG! daemon Sep 16 20:20:53 sounds like a perfect name for a crash report Sep 16 20:20:54 but... I don't own a FR, all my gps knowledge is from gta01 Sep 16 20:20:55 wurp2|working, how can i verify that it's realy using ssl? the settings are on the ssl ports but how to realy know...wireshark doesn't shows up my mail connection as i already downloaded all my mailbox Sep 16 20:20:55 crash reporter Sep 16 20:21:00 ok thanks for info, I'll try to trim frameworkd Sep 16 20:21:05 Yeah, I was gonna say that should be a logging daemon Sep 16 20:22:09 wurp2|working, cause people privacy is in risk if i made a tutorial that doesn't work Sep 16 20:22:46 wurp2|working: http://shr.bearstech.com/sources/git_git.freesmartphone.org.framework.git.tar.gz are the sources right? Sep 16 20:23:50 Gnutoo: hmm, can you run ethereal on your FR? Or use your PC as the router, and run ethereal there? Sep 16 20:24:31 wurp2|working, it's using an open wireless...so i can run etheral/wireshark on my laptop...i can also run tcpdump on my router Sep 16 20:24:33 Gnutoo: My typical solution to that is to code a TCP tunnel and run it on the local box (e.g. the FR) tunneling from a local port to the remote server & port Sep 16 20:24:37 and then copying all data to some log Sep 16 20:24:54 I am a programmer, not an admin :-) Sep 16 20:25:14 So I dunno the right tool to do the job, but I can build one Sep 16 20:25:22 mhh Sep 16 20:25:38 is it possible for uboot to boot directly from a single ext3 partition? Sep 16 20:25:50 and if so, whats the command for that? ext3load? Sep 16 20:27:48 wurp2|working, the problem is that with the amount of mail that i have it's too slow!!! Sep 16 20:29:26 Gnutoo: and how much is that? Sep 16 20:29:40 Gnutoo: ethereal is too slow? Sep 16 20:29:52 wurp2|working, no the openmoko because of the ammount of mail Sep 16 20:30:01 Gnutoo: Oh, I can't help you there :-) Sep 16 20:30:06 more than 800 mails Sep 16 20:30:09 i can Sep 16 20:30:10 lol Sep 16 20:30:12 delete some Sep 16 20:30:12 ;0 Sep 16 20:30:24 you don't really need that much mail.! Sep 16 20:30:29 backup on home server Sep 16 20:30:32 ok Sep 16 20:30:46 let neo just to copy from the server not to download Sep 16 20:30:47 <|FiLiP|> Gnutoo: when working on mobile devices, you should move all read emails to another folder , and leave only unread emails in inbox Sep 16 20:31:00 ok...i'll do that... Sep 16 20:31:02 and tell home computer to copy them all the time. Sep 16 20:31:06 Gnutoo, or use imap. Sep 16 20:32:49 800? Only three digits? I have mailboxes with 5 ;P Sep 16 20:34:43 http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_22 Sep 16 20:34:46 wurp2|working, how can i clear the cache of qtopia mail app? Sep 16 20:37:06 Gnutoo: no idea, sorry Sep 16 20:37:32 wurp2|working, found it Sep 16 20:37:35 remove and add the account again? Sep 16 20:37:52 Gnutoo: Cool. I've actually only run qtopia for about 3 days now :-) Sep 16 20:38:15 really. Sep 16 20:38:27 and hows that working for you? Sep 16 20:39:04 lpotter: Very well, so far Sep 16 20:39:06 Dave: don't call my name to tell spooky stories about your cursed freerunner. I'm not interested, as 1) I don't believe it, and 2) even if I did, I couldn't do or learn anything from it Sep 16 20:39:27 I dunno how to tell if it's fast or slow charging, and I haven't gotten a gps app on it Sep 16 20:39:36 and it doesn't switch to headphones when I plug it in Sep 16 20:39:58 But, it suspends & resumes when I get a call, and when I get calls, I actually get them Sep 16 20:40:03 #1 thats a system decision. #2 has been fixed Sep 16 20:40:11 And I can send & receive sms Sep 16 20:40:16 weee! Sep 16 20:40:23 whoda thunkit Sep 16 20:40:29 what?!? Sep 16 20:40:30 So, best install so far :-) Sep 16 20:40:42 what install?? Sep 16 20:40:45 I'm going to try debian + fso next Sep 16 20:40:51 hopefully, 4.4 wont regress too much Sep 16 20:40:57 Tig|: Qtopia 4.3.2 on gta01 Sep 16 20:40:57 Any idea when they'll get the power management fixed? :D Sep 16 20:41:02 oh Sep 16 20:41:18 lpotter: #1 is a frustrating system decision Sep 16 20:41:29 Since the phone will happily run itself dead while telling me that it's charging Sep 16 20:41:45 So I keep re-running "fast charge" out of paranoia Sep 16 20:41:52 you tink qtopia should always turn on fast charge? Sep 16 20:41:57 But apparently not enough paranoia since my phone was chargeless this morning Sep 16 20:42:08 lpotter: Nah, but I would like to see it tell me if it's fast charging Sep 16 20:42:31 And I would love to see it monitor for slow charge and ask me if I want to switch to fast :-) Sep 16 20:42:33 when you plug in the usb? Sep 16 20:43:05 does it change itself? Sep 16 20:43:19 lpotter: Whether it's fast charging because it's on usb, or because it's been set to fast charge, I'd much prefer to see a different battery graphic Sep 16 20:43:32 maybe yellow (slow) vs. green (fast) or something Sep 16 20:43:45 of course, I have a gta01 so I'm not the real target market Sep 16 20:44:00 there are two targets Sep 16 20:44:27 FR would imply another mode, for superfast charge Sep 16 20:45:07 The icon changes when I plug into USB, to show the "crawling" charge level (like an elevator going up repeatedly) Sep 16 20:45:34 It does the same thing when it starts slow charging on a dumb usb Sep 16 20:45:38 how do i enforce fast usb charging ? Sep 16 20:45:51 (actually my fr discharges on my usb) Sep 16 20:45:53 But of course in the second case, it's actually just discharging slower :-) Sep 16 20:46:54 ronny: There is a file that you can echo the proper test into to start fast charge Sep 16 20:47:16 a /sys/ file.... search for charge and sys on the wiki and you should find it Sep 16 20:49:49 thx Sep 16 20:50:10 yw Sep 16 20:51:48 lpotter: You guys really do great work on qtopia. I really appreciate it. Sep 16 20:56:20 thanks Sep 16 20:57:21 can anyone tell me if it's neccessary to tune the uboot parameters for booting from SD for a bigger SD card? Sep 16 20:58:06 seems encrypted...http://pastebin.com/m6cb04096 Sep 16 20:58:26 Hello, does anyone know, where I can download the rootfs.tar.gz from the Om2007 Distribution which was on my freerunner when it was shipped to me? (I dont make a backup ...) Sep 16 20:59:47 ok...basically what i've done is 1) get the certificate with openssl on my pc: Sep 16 21:00:40 openssl s_client -connect myserver:143 -showcerts Sep 16 21:00:45 copied the good part Sep 16 21:00:54 (between begin certificate and end) Sep 16 21:01:10 put it in a folder Sep 16 21:01:21 c_rehash /the/folder Sep 16 21:01:27 ChaosEagle, you shouldn't have to change parameters, but I did hear somewhere that booting deeply into the card (past 6 gigs?) doesn't work Sep 16 21:01:40 bernt: actually the images are missing for the freerunner at the moment Sep 16 21:02:05 awwaiid: Mhh, strange Sep 16 21:02:10 they must have got lost when everything moved from buildhost.openmoko.oef Sep 16 21:02:14 .org even Sep 16 21:02:31 awwaiid: I have a 2 gig SD card, with a single ext2 partition on it, and uboot fails to find the uimage bin :/ Sep 16 21:02:36 then copied the folder to the openmoko at Sep 16 21:03:15 i will make a tutorial...that will be easier... Sep 16 21:03:21 Tigj: That is what I have seen... and I hoped that someone could have made a backup ;-) Sep 16 21:03:47 any ideas? :/ Sep 16 21:04:00 ChaosEagle: did you update the u-boot? Sep 16 21:04:21 snp: yep, it's a build from today (September 16) Sep 16 21:04:50 and the uimage resides in /boot on the sd card, as expected Sep 16 21:04:56 ChaosEagle: Have you tried the 512MB-Card? - If all is working with the 512MB, then it could be something with the clock speed ... Sep 16 21:05:11 no clue then Sep 16 21:05:19 bernt: hmm, good idea... Sep 16 21:05:24 :( ... sorry, I don't know enough about uboot to help Sep 16 21:05:24 I have debian running off of my SD card, but their magical installer script did all the work Sep 16 21:06:39 ChaosEagle: I have this problem also at this time, so I use the 512MB Card but there is nealy no place on it ... Sep 16 21:06:41 awwaiid: Mhh, tried that script, but it broke my NAND :D Sep 16 21:06:55 i installed debian on my 512mb card and later moved it to y 8gb microSDHC Sep 16 21:07:02 works just fine Sep 16 21:07:04 bernt: Okay, I'm trying the 512mb card then Sep 16 21:07:15 8MB mmcblk0p1 for /boot Sep 16 21:07:25 1016MB mmcblk0p2 for / Sep 16 21:07:38 and the rest for /media/card Sep 16 21:07:41 mhh, okay, didn't want to make a seperate partition, though :/ Sep 16 21:07:43 Wonka: do you know the name of the card? Sep 16 21:07:48 so i can use the data from the system in the flash too Sep 16 21:08:11 erm... Sep 16 21:08:16 *feels stupid* Sep 16 21:08:37 ChaosEagle: I'm all about making a separate partition for my debian, so I can reimage it if it becomes necessary w/o killing all my data Sep 16 21:08:41 mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address d555 Sep 16 21:08:41 mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SU08G 7977472KiB Sep 16 21:08:44 ChaosEagle: You can solve this with your 512MB Card ;-) Sep 16 21:10:18 mhh... Sep 16 21:11:23 btw, the ogpsd part of fso-frameworkd from debian seems not to disable NMEA output sometimes... Sep 16 21:12:06 it might also be that the FDOM-tarball is simply broken or something... Sep 16 21:12:43 here it is...http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail Sep 16 21:13:12 lpotter: You said earlier that the failure of Qtopia to switch to the headphones when they're plugged in has been fixed. Is that released? I'm running the 4.3.2 that was put out on 8/28/08 Sep 16 21:13:55 does anyone have a Zagg Protection Discount Number left for me? Sep 16 21:14:35 those in the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zagg_Protection_Discount_Number doesnt work anymore Sep 16 21:15:00 I have one ... Sep 16 21:15:23 Are people receiving their invisible sheilds now? Last I heard, people were paying for priority shipping and weeks later still didn't have theirs. Sep 16 21:15:29 bernt: How do you like it? Sep 16 21:16:26 wurp2|working: i know one who ordered it with free shipping and waitet weeks - he knows some who paid 6$ upprice and they got it in the next days Sep 16 21:16:43 bernt: would you share it with me? if anyone gets one after buying you can have mine back Sep 16 21:16:57 I'm waiting for the shield ... Ordered it 9.11.2008 Sep 16 21:17:13 neldoreth: Ainulindale ordered one long ago and said he paid for faster shipping (dunno how much it was) and he still hadn't gotten it the last I heard. Sep 16 21:17:27 I have my shield Sep 16 21:17:35 ChaosEagle: How is it? Sep 16 21:17:37 neldoreth: r4k392 Sep 16 21:17:52 neldoreth: I bet I can type it into the order form faster than you Sep 16 21:18:03 wurp2|working: Seems nice, although I haven't fitted the whole shield yet (just the back and the screen) Sep 16 21:18:07 bernt: thank you Sep 16 21:18:14 wurp2|working: i already pasted it Sep 16 21:18:34 the shield for the screen definitely rocks, the other thing is a question of taste, I think. Doesn't look bad, though Sep 16 21:18:45 neldoreth: I was just harassing you anyway :-) Sep 16 21:18:50 wurp2|working: :p Sep 16 21:19:44 bernt: Doesn't work with the 512mb-card either Sep 16 21:20:26 I suspect the boot command line is somehow broken (overflow?), as it produces a different message after being run for the first time Sep 16 21:21:22 Do you made it like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner? Sep 16 21:21:58 nope, I used http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD (the qtopia on ext2-part of it) Sep 16 21:22:21 the debian way with the script didn't work for me, produced a severely broken NAND boot menu Sep 16 21:22:48 bernt: i guess i should get the code via mail right? Sep 16 21:24:16 It should be in a mail from zagg when responding to your purchase. Sep 16 21:25:33 ChaosEagle: I used the single steps from the script, not the 'all' Sep 16 21:26:13 ok i didnt received that mail yet Sep 16 21:26:26 bernt: could you paste me your boot commandline in a query? Sep 16 21:26:32 and I dont touch the uboot-entries with the script, because I had tried this Booting_from_SD first ... Sep 16 21:27:19 ChaosEagle: one moment ... booting ... Sep 16 21:28:57 okay *waits patiently* :) Sep 16 21:30:32 ChaosEagle: do you know how to get the connection when in boot menu? Sep 16 21:30:56 bernt: neocon -t 30 /dev/ttyACM0 Sep 16 21:31:03 (for me, that is) Sep 16 21:32:04 bernt: provided you have neocon, that is ^^;;; Sep 16 21:33:38 bernt: otherwise, cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 (as root, and after chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0) will do Sep 16 21:36:52 ChaosEagle: ok here are the entries: Sep 16 21:37:06 bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=4 regular_boot Sep 16 21:38:12 ChaosEagle: one step back this was NOR ... Sep 16 21:38:22 okay *g* Sep 16 21:39:28 bootargs=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_eno Sep 16 21:39:28 bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot Sep 16 21:39:40 bernt: screen also works instead of cu, but I think neocon is better Sep 16 21:40:24 once again: Sep 16 21:40:28 bootargs=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env Sep 16 21:40:29 ),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) ro Sep 16 21:40:54 bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 Sep 16 21:41:28 okay - so you have 2 partitions? Sep 16 21:41:36 because it says mmcblk0p2 Sep 16 21:42:30 yes two partitions first ext2 second ext3 Sep 16 21:42:36 ah, okay Sep 16 21:42:58 and the first has this 8mb size ... Sep 16 21:43:38 but what do you need it for? You're booting directly off the 2nd partition, right? Sep 16 21:43:39 rootfstype=ext2 is important Sep 16 21:44:42 the first is holding the kernel like /boot with normal linux ... and it was writte in the howto ... Sep 16 21:45:58 so the install.sh script is happy ;-) Sep 16 21:46:04 mhh... Sep 16 21:46:21 thanks, but this still doesn't work :( Sep 16 21:46:39 setting "setenv menu_1 FDOM: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5; mmcinit; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000" results in: Sep 16 21:46:59 ** No boot file defined ** Sep 16 21:46:59 Wrong Image Format for bootm command Sep 16 21:46:59 ERROR: can't get kernel image! Sep 16 21:48:09 ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; this must have something to do with searching the kernel Sep 16 21:48:34 *nods* Sep 16 21:48:52 what also puzzles me is this line when trying that boot option: Sep 16 21:48:56 MMC/SD size: 511MiB Sep 16 21:49:03 ChaosEagle: I've had problems with ${} variables, and ended up setting them explicitly. Sep 16 21:49:16 which is strange, because I'm trying to boot from a 2 gig card -.- Sep 16 21:49:25 bricode: That might be worth a try, thanks :) Sep 16 21:49:37 ChaosEagle: There seems to be an issue with uboot detecting certain SD cards. Sep 16 21:50:00 :( Sep 16 21:50:02 ChaosEagle: I've got a couple of cards that don't work with uboot but seem to be detected properly by the kernel. Sep 16 21:50:11 is there a ticket for that in trac? Sep 16 21:50:32 * bricode goes to check. Sep 16 21:50:44 I thought a sandisk card was quite a safe bet, as many people seem to use those *sighs* Sep 16 21:51:35 ChaosEagle: I've got a 2GB Tanscend and a 4GB Sandisk that don't seem to work, even with the glamo clock change. Sep 16 21:52:15 do u have 1 that does work? Sep 16 21:52:33 ChaosEagle: also 2GB partition size? Sep 16 21:52:34 :/ Sep 16 21:52:41 bernt: yes Sep 16 21:53:15 bricode: speaking of the variables, what do you expand ${sd_image_name} to? Sep 16 21:53:45 bricode: My first try with a 2GB Tanscend: not working Sep 16 21:54:08 ChaosEagle: Pertinent tickets: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1815 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1849 Sep 16 21:55:28 Anyone know a good state file to output streams in the regular phone earpiece? Sep 16 21:56:09 If someone can tell me, they get big points as it means that a SIP client would be fully working. Sep 16 21:56:32 ChaosEagle: uImage.bin Sep 16 21:57:02 thx! Sep 16 21:58:57 ChaosEagle: If you continue to have issues, let me know, and I'll give you access to myenv variables that have been working for me. Sep 16 22:00:08 brecode: *letting you know nowÜ* Sep 16 22:00:10 -Ü Sep 16 22:00:41 ChaosEagle: Hold on. Sep 16 22:00:52 bricode: is a uImage.bin supposed to be in the root dir of the card? Sep 16 22:00:59 One line was missing: bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot Sep 16 22:01:22 brent: thx, but that should not influence the problem, i think Sep 16 22:01:34 ChaosEagle: In the root of the FAT partition. Sep 16 22:01:35 rootfstype and root get overwritten anyway Sep 16 22:01:45 ChaosEagle: I was using 2 partitions, one of them FAT. Sep 16 22:02:00 ChaosEagle: uImage.bin this is the filename in the rootdirectory of the 'first' partition Sep 16 22:02:03 bricode: Which I don't have, as I try to boot directly from an ext2 partition Sep 16 22:02:09 okay... Sep 16 22:02:35 so I should try making an extra vfat partition? Sep 16 22:03:13 Or an ext2 but with vfat you can use the original boot menus Sep 16 22:03:35 *sighs* that's probably the easiest way then Sep 16 22:05:15 ChaosEagle: At first get it running from sd, then make the cosmetics :-) Sep 16 22:05:38 ChaosEagle: For reference: www.koolu.org/uboot-env Sep 16 22:06:06 bernt: true Sep 16 22:06:18 writing the new partition table right now Sep 16 22:06:23 And when I get my 8GB Card and get the card working, 8mb boot partition dont hurt. Sep 16 22:07:04 bernt: I know, but I always found the whole construction with 2 partitions quite ugly ;) Sep 16 22:07:09 making it 64MB won't hurt much either Sep 16 22:08:36 I like ext2 for /boot Sep 16 22:09:21 i have downloaded kernel and modules from FSO MS3 today and symlinked both /lib/modules/2.6.24 and /boot/uImage.bin to the new modules directory and kernel Sep 16 22:09:27 so... ext2 or ext3 for root? What is the default in NOR? Sep 16 22:09:33 Hmm, on the us openmoko store site, I click on "Buy it now" and it takes me here: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Sep 16 22:09:34 after renaming the old ones to identifiable names Sep 16 22:09:42 Which afaict does not include a way to buy a FR Sep 16 22:10:49 ChaosEagle: I had used ext3 but I think it is used like ext2. Sep 16 22:11:02 bernt: okay, thanks Sep 16 22:11:38 And I run tunefs :-) dont like fsck on the freerunner ;-) Sep 16 22:11:59 bernt: Yep, going to do that if booting works :) Sep 16 22:13:12 On my PC I have reiserfs but ext2.fsck on 400 MHz ... dont know how long this will be ... Sep 16 22:15:04 YAY :D Sep 16 22:15:06 it works :D Sep 16 22:15:13 thanks to everyone :) Sep 16 22:16:01 So, I guess NOW I can finally install wesnoth ;) Sep 16 22:16:22 how's the wesnoth performance on fr? Sep 16 22:16:34 I don't know for the latest port Sep 16 22:16:41 hmm. did wesnoth use other mouse buttons than button 1? Sep 16 22:16:59 But with the first one, it was actually playable, alebit a bit hard on the eyes ;) Sep 16 22:17:03 just saw the message on the mailing list, but as im quite busy for the moment i didnt have to time to try it out Sep 16 22:17:13 I just installed qtopia, so when the new qtopia version is released, if I add my contacts into the phone memory will they be lost when I update/reflash? Sep 16 22:17:14 Wonka: Not really, I think Sep 16 22:17:26 i am still looking for some mine sweeper that lets me mark mines with button1 Sep 16 22:17:30 and today I did something I shouldn't have done ;) opkg update, upgrade :D Sep 16 22:18:18 Wonka: Oh, okay - Wesnoth uses the right button for one thing: to recruit units on certain squares of the strongholds Sep 16 22:18:42 Wonka: But you can do the recruiting via the menu, you just can't choose where the unit spawns that way Sep 16 22:19:25 which would be nice, though Sep 16 22:19:34 can make a difference Sep 16 22:19:46 Wonka: Yep, it would, but it's probably very easy to fix Sep 16 22:20:18 you could probably replace "right click" with "click and hold" or the like Sep 16 22:20:30 yep Sep 16 22:20:41 i'd want to just install the debian package :) Sep 16 22:20:45 well anyways, i'll go get some sleep :) cu Sep 16 22:20:56 Graf_Ithaka: Sleep well then :) Sep 16 22:21:06 ChaosEagle: thx :) Sep 16 22:21:50 Seadog_: if you use the qtopia 'update' tarball, you will keep your settings. Sep 16 22:30:44 ljp: fantastic, thanks Sep 16 22:31:13 do you have a good way of getting out the CD card? Sep 16 22:31:20 I guess I'll go to sleep, too :) Sep 16 22:31:27 CU all, and thanks for your help =) Sep 16 22:33:30 heh Sep 16 22:34:02 haha fso actually suspends well and even saves battery power while doing so ;0 Sep 16 22:35:14 is that fso 3/ Sep 16 22:35:38 yeah. Sep 16 22:36:03 it's too soon to tell though it looks well so far Sep 16 22:36:10 im ready for the merge Sep 16 22:36:15 what merge? Sep 16 22:36:30 THE merge Sep 16 22:36:39 zomg Sep 16 22:37:03 * bricode finally has a SIP client working properly Sep 16 22:37:25 oh? Sep 16 22:38:14 bricode is it 2008.8? Sep 16 22:38:19 slaxxer, shr? Sep 16 22:38:25 when will it be out? Sep 16 22:38:42 i dont know but im ready Sep 16 22:39:11 slaxxer: Nope. Qtopia right now, but should run on anything. Sep 16 22:39:13 lol. Sep 16 22:39:17 It's command line linphone. Sep 16 22:39:27 audio settings were nasty. Sep 16 22:39:35 should be cool. Sep 16 22:39:48 let's just hope it will be faster than gtk2007 ;] Sep 16 22:39:58 there's no reason for this being so slow Sep 16 22:40:02 is it alsa or pulseaudio? Sep 16 22:40:08 it's only loading a gui. Sep 16 22:40:08 slaxxer: alsa Sep 16 22:40:55 maybe alsa needs some trimming down Sep 16 22:41:17 thhere are way too many settings to mess with Sep 16 22:41:37 slaxxer: Well, I agree, but there's a lot going on with the state fils. Sep 16 22:41:55 slaxxer: I've abstracted the input/output from the state files... Sep 16 22:42:20 slaxxer: You still need different state files right now to configure the FR for different modes of operations. Sep 16 22:42:28 oo Sep 16 22:42:40 slaxxer: At least that's from my understanding. Sep 16 22:48:58 how do you install an ipkg/opkg into the staging area for bitbake? Sep 16 22:49:11 or do I have to build it every time? Sep 16 23:02:27 I got my freerunner 21.07, could that mean i have gps defect? Sep 16 23:06:45 easy to check Sep 16 23:06:51 Oh, how? Sep 16 23:06:55 look near sd mount if you got a little black dot Sep 16 23:06:55 ;0 Sep 16 23:07:07 though i think you do Sep 16 23:07:30 damn, no documentation for fso sms dbus iface Sep 16 23:07:50 What if i dont have it? will gps never work? Sep 16 23:09:08 actually there's a software fix which works just fine Sep 16 23:09:16 and even i that have an hw fix Sep 16 23:09:18 use it Sep 16 23:09:22 actually everyone use it Sep 16 23:09:35 it's defaulted on, in recent kernels Sep 16 23:10:46 Hmm, ok. I did opkg update and upgrade. But i still couldnt get a fix. Sep 16 23:10:51 No black dot Sep 16 23:18:35 read the wiki there's a lot of info there Sep 16 23:18:36 im out. Sep 16 23:18:37 sry. Sep 16 23:19:45 data_jepp: As long as you're using a kernel from about mid-August or later, you should be okay. Sep 16 23:20:18 data_jepp: I'm able to get fixes without h/w fix with newer kernel and that's even booting from SD card. Sep 16 23:21:21 me2, like 30 seconds with boot from sd, or boot from nand Sep 16 23:21:37 aggtrfrad, do you use agps? Sep 16 23:21:43 or plain? Sep 16 23:21:49 no only tango Sep 16 23:21:58 it takes me 2-3 mins to get a fix Sep 16 23:22:03 with hw fix Sep 16 23:22:07 and softfix Sep 16 23:22:22 aggtrfrad, Asisted gps Sep 16 23:22:26 did u try without the sd card in? maybe its not the hw bugs fault Sep 16 23:22:40 i haven't Sep 16 23:23:24 grr. missed part of that GPS conversation. Was playing with virt. wireless interfaces on my router. Sep 16 23:24:18 heh, bricode :P Sep 16 23:24:29 Where are you these days? :P Sep 16 23:25:33 Dave: Back in Costa Rica. Was in Jamaica last week for a wedding. Sep 16 23:27:06 Dave: It would be totally sweet if someone could explain the ALSA mappings.... Sep 16 23:27:43 I couldnt care less about the gps, ill test it when im out tomorrow. =) Sep 16 23:37:17 What is the manufacturing status of the FR? Sep 16 23:38:26 bricode__: you're from costa rica? Sep 16 23:39:08 jaj: I'm originally Canadian, but I'm working down here. Sep 16 23:39:27 Sargun: Freerunners are in production.\ Sep 16 23:39:31 hi bricode__ Sep 16 23:39:42 celtune: Howdy. Sep 16 23:40:24 bricode__: a friend of mine was on holiday in costa rica and she really enjoyed it Sep 16 23:41:17 bricode__, haha, when are we getting more? Sep 16 23:41:57 Sargun :P Sep 16 23:42:00 Sargun: Soon. I'm not sure of the exact dates at the moment, but soon. Are you looking to buy? Sep 16 23:42:07 jaj: It's a beautiful place. Sep 16 23:42:35 bricode__, yeah. Sep 16 23:42:52 Sargun: Where are you located? Sep 16 23:42:56 California Sep 16 23:43:08 San Jose. Sep 16 23:43:14 Not San Jose, CR Sep 16 23:43:39 Sargun: Well, Koolu has some in stock (note: I work for Koolu) Sep 16 23:44:44 I dislike their website. Sep 16 23:44:52 we're looking at buying 4-5 Sep 16 23:45:12 Is koolu putting money into OM Sep 16 23:45:26 I think they should have had Amazon do the distribution Sep 16 23:45:33 how many FRs have been sold? Sep 16 23:48:23 Sargun: Yes, Koolu is. It's one of the larger purchasers of phones. Sep 16 23:48:55 Maybe they should make their website a little less... Retarded? Sep 16 23:48:58 ;-P Sep 16 23:49:11 Sargun: You can choose not to like the website, but if you want a phone, I would use it. Sep 16 23:49:32 bricode__, I'll wait for OM.com Sep 16 23:49:46 Anyone look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/easystroke/ Sep 16 23:49:50 Sargun: You may be waiting a long time. Sep 16 23:50:22 I think OM has stopped supplying phones so that distributors, like Koolu can make money. Sep 16 23:50:25 bricode__, Why do you say that? Sep 16 23:50:30 Bah. Sep 16 23:51:15 johngay: There's some truth to that. OM wants to develop a distribution network instead of handing all the direct sales themselves. Sep 16 23:51:35 can you guys make your website a bit... better? Sep 16 23:51:36 When I ordered mine from Koolu, they charged me canadian dollars, though I think they've changed that now. Sep 16 23:52:41 Sargun: Depends on where you want to put your $$$ and time. Sep 16 23:52:54 I've already bought 1 phone from OM.com Sep 16 23:52:58 Sargun: Currently it's functional, and serves its purpose. Sep 16 23:53:55 johngay: That's right. It's in usd now since all the phones purchased from OM are in usd. Sep 16 23:54:00 Anyone look at porting http://sourceforge.net/projects/easystroke/ to use accellerometers? Sep 16 23:57:28 Guess not. Sep 16 23:58:09 I wouldn't let my dis-like of a webpage design stop me from getting more phones. I doubt OM will distribute any more. Sep 17 00:00:15 johngay: It takes a lot of time and effort to ship out single phones. Sep 17 00:01:24 bricode__, how big is koolu? Sep 17 00:02:09 Sargun: Depends on how you do the head count. We outsource/partner quite a bit. Sep 17 00:03:20 bricode_: Has koolu developed any apps for the OM yet? Sep 17 00:03:22 direct employees? Sep 17 00:05:45 Sargun: 12 Sep 17 00:06:06 stevenSn: For the OM distributions, or for use on the FR? Sep 17 00:06:11 bricode__, So, I assume if I spent my time working on a new design you would/might adopt it? Sep 17 00:06:32 for use on the FR Sep 17 00:06:42 stevenSn: We donated some FR's for Debian port to FR. Sep 17 00:07:02 stevenSn: Also looking at SIP functionality and possible Android port. Sep 17 00:07:15 Sargun: From a h/w or s/w perspective? Sep 17 00:07:21 bricode__, can the FR's CPU do Jazelle? Sep 17 00:07:29 Sargun: No. Sep 17 00:07:29 bricode__, the website? Sep 17 00:07:52 IIRC Android really need Jazelle to be effective platform Sep 17 00:07:56 no to which one Sep 17 00:08:11 Sargun: No to Jazelle. Sep 17 00:08:21 Ok. Sep 17 00:08:35 Sargun: Toss me an e-mail with your thoughts: Brian.Code@koolu.com Sep 17 00:08:50 Is your last name actually code? Sep 17 00:08:55 Sargun: Yes Sep 17 00:09:16 neat. Sep 17 00:09:38 You'll never guess what my last name really is (-; Sep 17 00:10:39 hummmm Sep 17 00:10:50 Sargun: Sometimes you just end up where you are. Sep 17 00:11:16 How are you gentlemen? Sep 17 00:11:38 Hello, Dave. Sep 17 00:11:43 Greetings. Sep 17 00:16:31 hi Dave Sep 17 00:19:44 I was reading about http://sourceforge.net/projects/easystroke/ today, and thought I'd be neat to try to port to the FR using the accel's? Sep 17 00:20:47 johngay: what do you think the accelerometers do? Sep 17 00:21:02 ayeuu: you can't get a position from them Sep 17 00:21:45 report movements in 3 dimensions. Therefore you can capture pysical gestures. Sep 17 00:21:55 They don't. Sep 17 00:22:06 They report accellerations, with _lots_ of noise. Sep 17 00:22:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals Sep 17 00:22:34 is probably worth a skim Sep 17 00:25:27 Yea, but using sharp gestures, similar to the google project idea, and using easystroke you might get something usefull. Sep 17 00:25:57 Maybe. Sep 17 00:26:07 The problem is disentangling orientation and position. Sep 17 00:26:27 And you're going to end up with quite large movements - as the noise is quite high and the resolution is quite low. Sep 17 00:26:32 16cm/s^2 or so Sep 17 00:27:27 not even real acceleration, but something weird.. Sep 17 00:27:31 Speedevil! Sep 17 00:27:43 cause if my mobile lies on the table it doesn't accelerate downwards Sep 17 00:27:48 oh yeah, speedy Sep 17 00:27:53 writing a generic lib for keeping 3d position+orientation based on 2 accelerometers is constantly high on my TODO Sep 17 00:28:07 for a couple of months and will remain there for another couple Sep 17 00:28:30 I've been wondering, how much power would it require (and would a battery pack be suitable), for a freerunner with a high nits display? :) Sep 17 00:28:36 balrog-kun: till it gets deleted? Sep 17 00:28:48 (i.e. suitable for outdoor use) :) Sep 17 00:29:16 edistar: yes, for whatever reason, e.g. when it's been done :) Sep 17 00:29:38 balrog-kun: write a joystick/input device.. everyone will be happy about that Sep 17 00:29:41 Dave: to be as bright as sunlight on a 3.5" (3 inches) * (2.5 inches) * (1 (Kw / (m^2))) = 4.8387 watts Sep 17 00:30:00 That's times 6, so you'd need 30W or so. Sep 17 00:30:11 the freerunner accelerometers may not be accurate enough for that to be useful but i guess at some point there will be hardware with good enough accelerometers and the lib might be handy there Sep 17 00:30:16 *then Sep 17 00:30:16 But in practice, 3W would be quite readable if you're willing to move it around. Sep 17 00:30:26 What about noise-reduction by comparing the two accel's to cancel out conflicting data? Sep 17 00:30:33 johngay: useless Sep 17 00:30:41 johngay: you get maybe another quarter or a half a bit Sep 17 00:30:51 and i still haven't seen any actual figures about how bad the freerunner accelerometers are Sep 17 00:30:59 16mg resolution. Sep 17 00:31:03 They don't quote noise. Sep 17 00:31:19 16mg doesn't tell you much Sep 17 00:31:25 16 milligee Sep 17 00:31:42 16 thousandths of a G - an accelleration of 16 centimeters a second a second Sep 17 00:31:45 at 2 samples a second that's little, at 2000 samples a second that's more than you need for pretty good geolocation Sep 17 00:32:00 depending on the noise ofcourse Sep 17 00:32:20 how do you come to that conclusion? Sep 17 00:32:21 make some noooooooiiiiiiise! Sep 17 00:32:31 but the noise at high sample rate lets you get better accuracy actually Sep 17 00:32:33 Speedevil, I just know I have a 400nit display, and it uses a bunch of power, but it's quite impressive, and undeniably effective :) Sep 17 00:32:49 even 16/sqrt(2000) is not actually that great a number. Sep 17 00:33:02 I was just daydreaming about something suitable for a mobile device like the freerunner. Sep 17 00:33:08 And it's not going to be close to that - for one thing I think the samplerate is 150Hz max Sep 17 00:33:20 raster: sorry? didn't here that.. Sep 17 00:33:38 *hear Sep 17 00:33:43 RASTERMAN Sep 17 00:33:54 We've been praising you all day, it's about time you showed up! Sep 17 00:34:32 all these fat-fingered foos be comin' up in here, praisin the rastahmon for his supremo keyboard Sep 17 00:34:49 edistar: make some NOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISE! Sep 17 00:34:53 they're like, it hits ALL the right keys... despite my 1" wide fingers! Sep 17 00:34:53 ShellEvil: it has a lot of noise but i did a very dumb test with the freerunner laying flat on the table and summing (or i think that's called integrating) over the samples and it was pretty sensitive if you took the results of the summing after periods of a couple of seconds Sep 17 00:35:06 * Dave directs his freerunner's gsm modem in raster's general direction Sep 17 00:35:16 Dave: jhajajajaj! Sep 17 00:35:19 >:) Sep 17 00:35:32 There, happy? :P Sep 17 00:35:56 ShellEvil: it was laying on a table of about 1m x 1m size, about in the centre of it, if i put my hand on one corner of the table (without using any force, just the weight of my hand) it made a difference on the screen Sep 17 00:36:00 good-o! Sep 17 00:36:09 tho i'm not entirely happy Sep 17 00:36:18 You're never completely satisfied :P Sep 17 00:36:19 i need to get multi-linga support working much better Sep 17 00:36:24 :) Sep 17 00:36:42 though with my plans.. methinks i can also cover jp/kr/cn too... Sep 17 00:36:47 I wish I had your keyboard on my 2007.2 install - using matchbox-keyboard is so painful Sep 17 00:36:49 ShellEvil: the program was drawing a crosshair on the screen which moved in X and Y accoring to the samples from one of the accelerometers Sep 17 00:36:52 but i have other things to do right now... Sep 17 00:36:54 raster, it's possible Sep 17 00:36:59 balrog-kun: I haven't done any data analysis on the accels, not having one. Sep 17 00:37:04 though I find the lack of realestate rather disconcerting Sep 17 00:37:14 raster: work on the e* libs! :) Sep 17 00:37:24 Raster, work out! Sep 17 00:37:28 ShellEvil: i think it's not terribly bad Sep 17 00:37:42 Dave: as such i suspect we are beating a dead horse when it comes to "qwerty input with fingers" on the FR. Sep 17 00:37:44 i mean the accels are not terribly bad Sep 17 00:37:48 balrog-kun: The datasheet is very poor. Sep 17 00:37:50 its already a small screen Sep 17 00:38:01 the bevel/lip around the screen reduces the effective hit region more Sep 17 00:38:16 and the "i have to hammer the screen with fingers to register a press" doesnt help Sep 17 00:38:24 What about a graphiti-like input method? Sep 17 00:38:26 raster, yes :( Sep 17 00:38:30 lol, I don't hammer actually.. Sep 17 00:38:32 raster, agreed! Sep 17 00:38:34 balrog-kun: the resolution of them is very bad. If you can oversample them, then that addresses some of the concerns, by no meansall. Sep 17 00:38:38 edistar: i am. well working on a mini-toolkit for mobile ui creation Sep 17 00:38:49 ah, okey Sep 17 00:38:51 raster, I think the next gen needs a serious design face-liftr Sep 17 00:39:07 johngay: dubious due to sensitivity of screen (unless u press very hard you dont retain a "mouse down") Sep 17 00:39:14 yeah :( Sep 17 00:39:27 also apm and ts0 are fucked up like that :D Sep 17 00:39:31 johngay: also much slower than "keyboard" (where its 1 tap per letter not a whole stroke) Sep 17 00:39:33 if you're dragging it can still shut off Sep 17 00:39:43 but hey Sep 17 00:39:51 raster likes tappin' it :p Sep 17 00:39:51 if u can get qwerty working on that screen Sep 17 00:39:54 u can make it work anywhere Sep 17 00:39:59 heh Sep 17 00:40:06 What if you treated the mouse-down as very sloppy? Sep 17 00:40:20 there's a mouse? Sep 17 00:40:22 johngay: then it'b _be_ very sloppy, not what you want Sep 17 00:40:29 it works like an absolute charm on my 3.2" zaurus screen. Sep 17 00:40:34 but that screen is much better Sep 17 00:40:51 I used to love graphiti on my Palm devices. Sep 17 00:40:53 * edistar goes and steals rasters keyboard, just to get nice qwerty input Sep 17 00:41:17 johngay: trust me - entirely different when its a stylus vs a finger Sep 17 00:41:25 Though I'm planning on getting Apples bluetooth keyboard. Sep 17 00:41:46 I used to graphiti with my finger (-; Sep 17 00:43:10 that reminds me Sep 17 00:43:20 why doesn't the freerunner have a pointer dealie? might be a neat hack Sep 17 00:43:24 SPeedevil, get on it! Sep 17 00:43:44 raster, you dislike the freerunner screen? Sep 17 00:43:55 pointer dealie? Sep 17 00:43:59 yes Sep 17 00:44:01 Dave: it could be better Sep 17 00:44:11 Dave: its got amazing dpi Sep 17 00:44:14 I find the vga display to be impressive Sep 17 00:44:18 at times Sep 17 00:44:25 yet the usability remains to be seen Sep 17 00:44:27 Dave: I can install a pointer holder into your FR if that's what you mean. Sep 17 00:44:28 or seems to be lacking Sep 17 00:44:39 no no Sep 17 00:44:44 * ShellEvil has a powerdrill! Sep 17 00:44:48 but the toushcreen sensitivity and indenting of it so you cant really touch the corners of it i dont like at all Sep 17 00:44:58 its also utterly useless in daylight Sep 17 00:45:06 but so are most lcd's Sep 17 00:45:07 :) Sep 17 00:46:58 agred Sep 17 00:47:00 agreed Sep 17 00:47:43 though I did approve of the seemingly logical fact that when it powers off the display for apm it just kills the backlight Sep 17 00:47:51 the lcd is still on :) Sep 17 00:48:01 so in daylight, it's more readable without the backlight :) Sep 17 00:48:09 (getting the negative effect) Sep 17 00:48:26 Dave: so daylight mode will be lcd off! Sep 17 00:48:32 I liked that on the razr, except after a certain timeout the lcd stopped updating with the backlight off Sep 17 00:48:38 edistar, backlight off Sep 17 00:48:50 lcd stays on, which was my point :P Sep 17 00:48:55 it's simple lcd basics :P Sep 17 00:49:03 Dave: lcd can't go off afaik, can it? Sep 17 00:49:14 either that or plug in a 35W battery pack, as speedevil suggested, and bump up the screen brightness significantly :D Sep 17 00:49:23 edistar, sure it can Sep 17 00:49:25 35W is probably overkill. Sep 17 00:49:29 NEVER Sep 17 00:49:41 Shellevil, I want to be able to see where I'm going at 4PM Sep 17 00:49:47 That would be for 'I need to see it even if it's got the sun reflecting directly off the display into my eyes'. Sep 17 00:49:53 You can never have too much power!!!!!!!!!!!! Sep 17 00:49:54 YES Sep 17 00:49:57 Exactly Sep 17 00:50:04 johngay, for once, I'd agree with you. Sep 17 00:50:15 SPeaking along those lines, why don't we have a pentium six? :D Sep 17 00:50:26 You'd better. I'm usually right (-; Sep 17 00:50:29 Where's Scotty when you need him. Sep 17 00:50:55 I should find cute little warp nacelles for my freerunner and take a stupid picture of it just for amusement. Sep 17 00:51:16 Cause Intel have hit the limit of processor speed, so now their putting more processor on the die rather than faster ones. Sep 17 00:51:22 Though Speedevil, it would be nice if we could bump up the screen brightness, even if it only cost ~4-5W Sep 17 00:51:25 oh well :) Sep 17 00:51:32 It's satisfactory for general use :) Sep 17 00:51:44 Dave: that's 4-5W of light out - probably 12-20W of LED power. Sep 17 00:51:48 I'm sorry, Dave. But you know I can not let you do that. Sep 17 00:51:50 Johngay, yeah, it's pretty "eco friendly" Sep 17 00:52:03 Speedevil, exactly. Sep 17 00:52:19 intel have hit the limit of the Pentium Number and they can't go higher than four Sep 17 00:52:22 Speedevil, wouldn't a nice conforming battery pack do the trick, though? Sep 17 00:52:34 Dave: and really high power blower. Sep 17 00:52:41 I don't even know if the lcd could handle it Sep 17 00:52:41 yeah Sep 17 00:52:42 :P Sep 17 00:52:46 the current one, that is Sep 17 00:53:05 balrogkun, bah, I'm supremely disappointed. Sep 17 00:53:16 Though I have been for several years. Sep 17 00:53:23 Whatever, multicore consumer chips are lame Sep 17 00:53:33 I'm likely just ranting for use scenarios. Sep 17 00:53:36 for about the last 30 years? :) Sep 17 00:53:46 Well, they had to go to Pentium because they'd used up all the combinations of the digits they patented when they started. They only owned 3,4,5,6 and 8 (-; Sep 17 00:53:47 And having to be in one of the few professions in which multicore performs worse. Sep 17 00:54:01 balrog-kun, heh Sep 17 00:54:23 Johngay, I'm glad someone else was aware of that as well ;) Sep 17 00:54:34 Well, I did work for them./ Sep 17 00:55:32 * balrog-kun is about to start... Sep 17 00:55:39 They really have hit the limit for speed improvements. That's why they're doing multi-core now. Sep 17 00:55:59 Just to keep up with moores law. Sep 17 00:56:05 BEGIN! Sep 17 00:56:17 Johngay, what a crock :P Sep 17 00:56:31 I was there, man. Sep 17 00:56:41 Good for you. Sep 17 00:56:58 I was there... in spirit? :P Sep 17 00:57:04 * Dave laughs Sep 17 00:57:21 But I heard it from the bosses mouth. (-; Sep 17 00:57:34 Well, I'm glad I wasn't there, then! :D Sep 17 00:58:40 wakka wakka wakka Sep 17 00:58:48 Didn't you realise that why everyone is going multi-core? Sep 17 00:59:55 multicore also scales much better for perfromance Sep 17 00:59:58 per watt Sep 17 01:00:09 Dude, I just got a dual quad-core system up :P Sep 17 01:00:11 they should start putting self replicating cores in the processors Sep 17 01:00:13 ie they can add a 2nd core, or double the clockrate Sep 17 01:00:19 raster, duh, hence my eco-friendly quip :p Sep 17 01:00:22 guess whihc one soaks up much much much more power? Sep 17 01:00:25 :) Sep 17 01:00:36 I waste enough power with my P4 army Sep 17 01:00:41 hehehe Sep 17 01:00:42 Which I am quite proud of. Sep 17 01:00:47 They've accomplished a lot :P Sep 17 01:00:52 frankly the future is going ot be multi-core Sep 17 01:01:00 there coems a point where u just have too many of them to bother with Sep 17 01:01:00 and incidentally heat the place during the winter. Sep 17 01:01:10 but i suspect it is going to be a merging of gfx and cpu worlds again Sep 17 01:01:13 raster, yeah yeah Sep 17 01:01:16 indeed Sep 17 01:01:28 I mean, you've got CPUs being the frequent bottleneck now :P Sep 17 01:01:44 with cpus' grow9ing slightly more specific funcs for vector mantipulation and gfx simd ops - texel sampling and bizarre tiled memory layout handling in mmu's Sep 17 01:02:09 the gpu will just merge in as "a bunch more cores" Sep 17 01:02:13 it's gonna be one super kinky partay Sep 17 01:02:17 its been slowly going that way for a while now Sep 17 01:02:18 haha, indeed Sep 17 01:02:20 right Sep 17 01:02:32 like your dual cards are like 8 cores now? Sep 17 01:02:37 craziness Sep 17 01:02:46 cpu is struggling to keep up Sep 17 01:02:48 the thigns we need are just a bit more help ont he cpu side for thnigs that are very efficiently done in silicon that are workhorse things (like texel sample/interpolate/supersample) Sep 17 01:02:49 Unless there's a major change in tech, which Intel can't find, multi-core is the only way to increase processing power any more. Sep 17 01:02:50 so just add more cores :P Sep 17 01:02:56 and tiled memory accessing Sep 17 01:03:13 and then just do everyting u can on as many cores as u can Sep 17 01:03:16 johngay, make way for the next big tech giant! Sep 17 01:03:22 bah Sep 17 01:03:24 that reminds me - tonight i need to write up my new gpu design... Sep 17 01:03:26 I'd rather have more waffles Sep 17 01:03:28 been thinking about it for a bit Sep 17 01:03:29 :) Sep 17 01:03:36 AMD and Sun can't find it either. Sep 17 01:03:44 raster, we always enjoy hearing your ideas. Sep 17 01:03:51 and seeing your designs, no matter how bizarre :D Sep 17 01:03:58 Johngay, sucks for them. Sep 17 01:04:04 well the gpu is a smart memory chip Sep 17 01:04:05 I hope they all go under or merge. Sep 17 01:04:09 so it needs to be in software Sep 17 01:04:15 but softwqwre that will work well with the desing Sep 17 01:04:18 i think i have one Sep 17 01:04:23 software Sep 17 01:04:24 bleh Sep 17 01:04:30 I've had enough of that for a while... Sep 17 01:04:36 too much brokenmoko code Sep 17 01:04:38 I think moores law is going to get taxed in a few more years. Sep 17 01:04:41 wracking my brains Sep 17 01:05:02 Being someone that worked there, I'm rather surprised and appauled you keep referring to it as a law. Sep 17 01:06:21 goddamn, in other news, I wish I had a keyboard for this freerunner Sep 17 01:06:35 typing on it for an hour or more is obnoxious and painful :D Sep 17 01:07:19 Being the way the mobile device market is going, I'd be heavily investing in physical therapy centers and the field as a whole, now :P Sep 17 01:08:31 Dave: you need a form factor with a physical keyboard, like a Treo650 form factor Sep 17 01:09:11 Yes! Sep 17 01:10:17 Dave: Why type directly on the device? Sep 17 01:10:33 the FR hjust isnt a device u can sanely type more than a bit of sms's and short emails on Sep 17 01:10:37 the screen just sint big enough Sep 17 01:10:42 along with its other foibles Sep 17 01:11:08 raster: agreed. whereas the Treo650 (which has a smaller screen) is easy to type long emails on. go figure. Sep 17 01:11:20 physicalo keys Sep 17 01:11:30 tactile feedback and the ability to just feel your way around a kbd Sep 17 01:11:33 can't beat it Sep 17 01:11:42 if the fr had a big 3.5" or 4" screen Sep 17 01:11:49 (like the psp or n800) Sep 17 01:11:52 it may be a bit different Sep 17 01:11:52 exactly. still waiting for a good linux phone with physical keyboard ... Sep 17 01:11:57 but fingers are only so big Sep 17 01:12:23 and an indented screen just makes the 2.8" effectiely more 2.2 or 2.4" Sep 17 01:12:46 i thin even the iphone is pushing it with 3.5" Sep 17 01:12:53 capactive helps Sep 17 01:13:08 but i doubt u'll sanely get typing out of anything smaller Sep 17 01:13:12 u go to graffiti Sep 17 01:13:20 or tiny corrective/predictive keyboards Sep 17 01:13:33 or numpad emulations and it will just be slow and cumbersome - but work Sep 17 01:16:44 i suspect the qtopia predictive (and illume Sep 17 01:16:54 kdbs'a re about as good as it'd get for fast input Sep 17 01:17:01 without a stylus (or with) Sep 17 01:17:16 others will either be about the same (just different) and have a higher learning curve Sep 17 01:17:18 Voice recognition! Sep 17 01:17:36 ShellEvil: thats always an option.. but.. really.. just call the person then! Sep 17 01:17:36 :) Sep 17 01:18:01 (really people dont want voice recognition mostly for email/sms - so they can do it silently in private whereever they are and dont have to go find a place to "make a call") Sep 17 01:24:20 To an extent. Sep 17 01:24:37 I do want to actually be able to send SMS with voice. Sep 17 01:24:38 to a very large extent i'd say Sep 17 01:24:42 sure Sep 17 01:24:51 And recieve voice calls via text. Sep 17 01:24:52 but voice isnt a replacement for a kbd Sep 17 01:24:57 its a nice extra Sep 17 01:25:03 But generalised voice recognition is hard. Sep 17 01:25:08 yes Sep 17 01:25:18 YES Sep 17 01:25:19 and if u didnt have a usable keyboard - people would murder you Sep 17 01:25:30 be glad we didn't come after you :) Sep 17 01:25:47 "not maaah kbd!" :) Sep 17 01:25:54 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html Sep 17 01:25:54 :D Sep 17 01:26:00 is raster in the news? Sep 17 01:27:11 He's not very popular. Sep 17 01:27:13 http://google.com/trends?q=raster%2Cvector&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Sep 17 01:28:35 HAHAHAHHAHAHA Sep 17 01:29:10 ircing as root, very secure ;) Sep 17 01:29:48 just installed arch, and xchat cannot save settings :/ Sep 17 01:31:42 85.190.0.3 stop portscannig my router Sep 17 01:32:08 No (-= Sep 17 01:32:24 :D Sep 17 01:32:47 irc'ing on the freerunner? -- what choice do you have? :D Sep 17 01:32:56 hahaha Sep 17 01:33:00 we were talking about rootkits for the freerunner just this afternoon Sep 17 01:33:15 though obviously it's somewhat pointless, as it's a device which ships as root with a blank password Sep 17 01:33:26 but still fun to think about :) Sep 17 01:36:20 hm this IP turned out to be freenodes port-scanner, scans your host to see if it is"ddos attack capable", very interesting, http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies Sep 17 01:36:41 Guess it wasn't me, then (-; Sep 17 01:40:16 open proxy scanner Sep 17 01:40:18 it's standard Sep 17 01:40:21 and annoying Sep 17 01:40:37 Much less annoying than the DDOS people. Sep 17 01:42:37 Wasn't DDOS from Microsoft? Sep 17 01:43:00 MS-DOS came from Microsoft Sep 17 01:43:02 PCDOS from IBM Sep 17 01:43:05 DR-DOS from Caldera Sep 17 01:43:15 or whatever company that was Sep 17 01:43:35 freedos Sep 17 01:43:50 PC DOS was from M$ as well, actually. Sep 17 01:44:40 DR-DOS! Sep 17 01:44:41 YES Sep 17 01:44:44 hahahahah Sep 17 01:44:47 A.K.A. HELL Sep 17 01:49:18 Some today told me they wrote a paper in high school in 1969 that was inspired by reading about the Altair 8800 (-; Sep 17 02:15:34 is there any way to keep my dns information for say, 10 minutes, so i dont have to resolve each time i visit a site? my isp's dns sucks lately :/ Sep 17 02:15:57 Guest49291: I guess you're in a BIND then. Sep 17 02:17:23 so the dns reply packet tells my host hao long to keep the info for? Sep 17 02:17:36 you'd think that by the time a student gets to calc2, teachers won't be trying to 'help' them with a shitload of extra work for points Sep 17 02:47:01 Help? Tried following the guide on the wiki, but can't get my desktop to see the freerunner. Using kubuntu 8.04 64bit with stock kernel. Sep 17 02:47:35 Does it show in lsusb? Sep 17 02:47:59 * mwester wonders if lpotter is about... Sep 17 02:49:35 yep. right here Sep 17 02:49:54 Ah, under a pseudonym! Sep 17 02:50:23 :) Sep 17 02:51:19 Two questions, if you can point in the right direction: a) how do I read the output from "qLog(Modem)" ; where does that go? b) where are patches to bring the source tarball up to the latest sources (at least up to the fixes that include the echo AT command)? Sep 17 02:51:44 ShellEvil: lsusb isn't showing me anything useful... Sep 17 02:53:07 doing dmesg on the desktop shows some usb errors. I'm just confirming these are from the freerunner, and not general errors from somewhere else. Sep 17 02:53:43 mwester: 1) logread -f Sep 17 02:55:53 when I plug in the freerunner, I'm getting "new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 11" and then "device not accepting address 11, error -62" Sep 17 02:56:04 (in dmesg) Sep 17 02:56:08 mwester: 2) they should be part of the snapshots already Sep 17 02:56:16 :/ Sep 17 02:56:33 sgrover: try plugging it directly into a port, not through a hub. Sep 17 02:56:37 mwester: also, the logging app will show logread Sep 17 02:56:39 ljp: hmmm... ok, so how do I tell qpe to start logging stuff then? :D (Please point me to the FM to R if I should know this; I'm having trouble finding this (I suspect I'm missing something fundamental) Sep 17 02:57:23 you can either cp /opt//etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf /home/user/Settings/Trolltech Sep 17 02:57:48 and set which ever to tru. or use the logging app. You'll have to restart qtopia Sep 17 02:57:59 Restart! Sep 17 02:58:04 :) Sep 17 02:58:07 * mwester smacks himself in the head Sep 17 02:58:29 ShellEvil: hmm.. odd... I have one of those multi-card readers. Plugging into there caused the above errors. Plugging into one of the other case USB slots seems to have worked... but I have never seen that problem with any other USB device I have (and there are many.. :) ) Sep 17 02:58:59 My patch/hack seems to be working, from the low-level GSM/kernel trace, but I'd like to confirm by seeing what Qtopia is processing. :) Sep 17 02:59:05 sgrover: USB isn't always completely reliable. Sep 17 02:59:14 sgrover: as it should be. Sep 17 02:59:25 WHOOO HOOO! I've ssh'ed to my phone. I'm feeling sooooo liberated.. lol Sep 17 02:59:41 :) Sep 17 02:59:50 you arent liberated until you nfs mount back... Sep 17 02:59:54 Now you realise that's about all you can do :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 17 02:59:57 2008