**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 18 02:59:57 2008 Sep 18 03:00:02 Pyrasi: thanks. I arrived at that conclusion myself.. :) But now when I run the script I get this: line 91: uboot-envedit: command not found Sep 18 03:00:27 On a kubuntu desktop, where do I get the pkg-fso package? it's not in my repositories... Sep 18 03:00:38 I suspect that is what this error is referring to. Sep 18 03:05:49 oh Sep 18 03:06:02 uhhh Sep 18 03:06:09 yep. got it. Sep 18 03:06:27 i was about to say...i think the link was on the page Sep 18 03:06:34 the Debian on freerunner page Sep 18 03:07:01 just for completeness... if you go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone and grab the first two repositories listed there, add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Sep 18 03:07:29 then do an apt-get install pkg-fso-keyring (not sure this is needed) Sep 18 03:07:39 then do apt-get install fso-utils Sep 18 03:07:44 NOW the script runs right. Sep 18 03:21:48 ok, that was funky Sep 18 03:26:53 I received a call on my FR (FSO MS3) from my landline, and the call wouldn't accept, not cancel once I hung up the land line Sep 18 03:27:41 though that may have been because zhone wasn't the active app Sep 18 03:27:56 with zhone active it seems to act better Sep 18 03:28:35 it would be nice of the FR could recognize numbers automatically, be they in 7, 10, 11, or whatever digit form Sep 18 03:32:18 'Number is prime!' Sep 18 03:32:25 'Number is Numberwang!' Sep 18 03:33:55 Hi Toaster. Are you fatfree? Sep 18 03:34:41 ? Sep 18 03:37:37 SpeedEvil++ Sep 18 03:37:41 haha, i laughed Sep 18 03:53:55 openmoko: 03werner * r4653 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/s3c-spi-stray-irq.patch: Sep 18 03:53:55 openmoko: Make spi_s3c24xx.c absorb an initial stray interrupt without unleashing Sep 18 03:53:55 openmoko: chaos and mayhem. Sep 18 03:58:33 openmoko: 03werner * r4654 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch series): Sep 18 03:58:33 openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: lower SPI clock from 25MHz to 1MHz to ease Sep 18 03:58:33 openmoko: glitch removal Sep 18 03:58:33 openmoko: - series: added s3c-spi-stray-irq.patch (new) and hack-silence-battery.patch Sep 18 03:58:33 openmoko: (which I forgot to add to series earlier) Sep 18 04:02:41 openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.dev * r67d4d6032ef4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] bump up to a0de11f295c6d2fd1e567205f853c9b994b2a306 Sep 18 04:19:33 waszA Sep 18 04:20:38 pixdilgiinn works in aA pinch Sep 18 04:22:02 so cAn ii uasse it with yahoo id Sep 18 04:22:28 ? Sep 18 04:35:36 openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r395621266b96 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] bump up to a0de11f295c6d2fd1e567205f853c9b994b2a306 Sep 18 05:01:08 where's the ringtone located in 2008.8? Sep 18 05:01:33 and my freerunner slept for 14 hours today with only one bar down :O Sep 18 05:01:35 using FDOM Sep 18 05:02:28 trying to download http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 for the last couple of days but the domain name doesn't resolve. Anyone got an alternative link? Sep 18 05:03:45 or an alternative media player that works well with both mp3 and ogg? Sep 18 05:06:02 weirdedout: not a graphical one, but mplayer works Sep 18 05:10:03 thank kelvie. Yes I saw mplayer in the repository and I'm considering installing it. However I would prefer a good GUI player. Sep 18 05:22:46 Found it http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/1012/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 Sep 18 05:23:02 openmoko: 03werner * r4655 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (decode.py dxplore.py scope.py): (log message trimmed) Sep 18 05:23:02 openmoko: Highlights: Sep 18 05:23:02 openmoko: - finally realized that the troubles with the Rigol's horizontal system are Sep 18 05:23:02 openmoko: caused by rounding errors in the scope's firmware Sep 18 05:23:02 openmoko: - added dxplore status display with window size, sample stop, and zoom factor Sep 18 05:23:06 openmoko: Details: Sep 18 05:23:08 openmoko: - lib/scope.py (horizontal.__init__): the Rigol DS1000C rounds :TIM:SCAL 0.0005 Sep 18 05:24:22 openmoko: 03werner * r4656 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/vds/vds.py: Updated vds.py for the higher data rates of native SPI. Sep 18 05:25:27 kelvie, how does FDOM compare with the other distros you've tried. Most importantly, how does the call quality compare? Sep 18 05:27:59 weirdedout: I actually use it as a phone daily Sep 18 05:28:03 and gps and all that Sep 18 05:28:09 call quality hasn't been an issue Sep 18 05:28:30 okay, no echos on the other end? Sep 18 05:28:35 got Debian running on the FR. Now, do I look for wireless how-to's on the FR side, or on the Debian side of things? Sep 18 05:28:37 not sure, haven't heard anyone complain yet :) Sep 18 05:28:48 wireless is still a big pain to connect to though Sep 18 05:29:02 weirdedout: did a call with it today. quality was fine, but volume was a little low - both sending/receiving Sep 18 05:29:04 it's on and off.. it takes a bit of wpa_cli commands, and a lot of luck to get a response from the dhcp server Sep 18 05:29:24 sgrover: I've heard that it's quiet sending sometimes, but I've never had a problem with the receiving volume Sep 18 05:29:42 thanks Sep 18 05:29:58 the only real fix I applied was the one to make it so that suspend/resume doesn't wipe the sd card partition Sep 18 05:30:15 agrover. I ran it with debian for a while. You will need to use wpa_supplicant and ifup/ifdown to use wireless. Sep 18 05:31:20 agrover. I had issues with zhone on Debian and was unable to use it for phone calls at all. I hope you have better luck with it. Sep 18 05:32:27 so far so good. Sep 18 05:33:10 though now I'm trying to figure out how to view stats - wireless, battery, etc. or enable wireless/bluetooth/gps Sep 18 05:36:32 GPS worked well for me. I installed gpsd and tangogps. Wireless worked ok out of the box. I couldn't get the battery indicator to work and didn't try bluetooth. Sep 18 05:36:57 You might want to consider installing XFCE4 or fluxbox. Sep 18 05:38:58 weirdedout: when you say wireless worked out of the box, do you mean with the 2007.2 image? Sep 18 05:39:14 I tried with 2007.2, and 2008.8. Neither would connect to my ap. Sep 18 05:41:04 No, I meant with debian. Sep 18 05:41:25 through the command line. Sep 18 05:41:38 k. was gonna ask if I mised something on the interface... Sep 18 05:41:54 I'll need to learn how to connect to wpa from cli (again) Sep 18 05:41:59 off to google I go. Sep 18 05:41:59 np Sep 18 05:42:07 enjoy Sep 18 05:42:36 OT (kinda): Anyone else have their USB controller stop working outright shortly after plugging in the FR ?? Sep 18 05:43:01 my motherboard seems to have blown the controller, and the only recent change was the introduction of the FR. Sep 18 05:52:57 (re the USB controller - I've had another Asus MB blow it's controller this year, so I think it's just the MB. Just odd that it happened within a day of plugging in the FR.) Sep 18 06:27:19 is there a decent gui interface for wireless on the Debian install? Sep 18 06:27:47 I have wireless running (I think) via command line. But can't guarantee I'll always have my laptop with me to reconfigure wireless... Sep 18 06:28:10 or even to reset the wireless card (to hopefully detect new networks) Sep 18 06:41:26 Hi all, I've connected my fr through USB and I can ping IP-addresses (eg. 81.19.246.12) but no name addresses (like www.google.com). So what have I missed during setup? Sep 18 06:42:47 cat /etc/resolv.conf Sep 18 06:47:04 rwhitby> Yeah It was empty...my bad ;-) Now I've put "nameserver 208.67.222.222" into it and now it works:-) thx Sep 18 06:48:05 Kraften: I put 'up echo "nameserver www.xxx.yyy.zzz" > /etc/resolv.conf' in my /etc/network/interfaces on the neo Sep 18 06:48:10 then you get it back on reboot Sep 18 06:49:19 raster: ping Sep 18 07:19:34 good morning Sep 18 07:20:47 morning? it's 3 in the afternoon >_< Sep 18 07:27:24 Not in Norway anyway :p Sep 18 08:23:21 raster: ping Sep 18 08:25:48 joh Sep 18 08:43:30 raster: are you around? Sep 18 08:46:00 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r78772850cd32 10/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Sep 18 08:46:00 freesmartphone.org: Included patches from quickdev and Andrease. Thanks to you both ! Sep 18 08:46:00 freesmartphone.org: These patches do the following : Sep 18 08:46:00 freesmartphone.org: - Update of the Call specs. Sep 18 08:46:00 freesmartphone.org: - Fix of segfault for misplaced free(). Sep 18 08:46:04 freesmartphone.org: - Fix of a typo for release/released Sep 18 08:51:11 datenmaulwurf: ja? Sep 18 08:51:14 i'm here Sep 18 08:58:35 raster: queried you Sep 18 09:07:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e7b5cc0c0e2 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Upgrade connman to latest revision. Sep 18 09:11:35 ok, i concede my previous statement... i finally found a map, and china is on it Sep 18 09:25:33 anyone got suspend working on 2008.8 with update of today? Sep 18 09:25:38 my fr still does not wake up. :/ Sep 18 09:33:07 raster: ping Sep 18 09:33:58 datenmaulwurf: sorry - visitors here. cant do anythng now Sep 18 09:34:27 but a quick look at your stuff says "no idea - some autofoo stuff on your end" Sep 18 09:34:49 "works for me" Sep 18 09:34:57 "works for openembedded" Sep 18 09:35:10 so all i can imaginer is something is up with your autofoo setup Sep 18 09:35:17 what - i don't know Sep 18 09:36:14 raster: hmm Sep 18 09:36:15 too bad Sep 18 09:36:25 i got a (hopefully) quick question: I'm looking for pyQt for 2008.8 - is there any repo or something? Sep 18 09:38:40 no one any idea where i could find it? Sep 18 09:40:23 Following the guide at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain. The step where you run om-conf openmoko-sample2. I'm getting an error that libmokoui2 and gconf2 are not being found. but they ARE installed... (ubuntu 8.04 system). Any tips? Sep 18 09:41:00 (sry for the OT, but #openmoko-cdevel is rather dead right now... ) Sep 18 10:02:05 where can i get the source of the 2007 screen lock app? can't figure out it's name. ;0 Sep 18 11:03:47 * hipitihop waves to the troops Sep 18 11:10:53 anybody used curl library for openmoko Sep 18 11:16:42 do we have fixed feeds for fso m3 yet ? Sep 18 11:24:10 anybody used curl library for openmoko Sep 18 11:51:11 curl library for croos copiling.. Sep 18 11:54:54 http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3097595.0 Sep 18 11:56:35 does someone know how freerunner sees that a wall charger is inserted? Sep 18 11:56:50 soundar curl is part of OE so should be no problem Sep 18 11:58:26 when i try to cross compile my app to arm it said no curl lib available.. Sep 18 12:00:22 libcurl seems avalable in opkg Sep 18 12:01:42 soundar if u have dependencies to compile u might want to look into using OE and just specify them in the bitbake recipe and it will handle it for u Sep 18 12:07:23 is it possible to use a freerunner like a automobile navigation system? Sep 18 12:07:48 Yes. Sep 18 12:08:05 It won't do routing really well with any of the existing apps/databases. Sep 18 12:08:14 But moving map/tangogps works well. Sep 18 12:08:19 there is gps, there is gps application (tangogps), but you can't set a direction and you get the road Sep 18 12:08:45 hmmm.. what about the software that tomtom runs ? Sep 18 12:08:57 Ask tomtom. Sep 18 12:09:07 It should be fairly easy for them to port it. Sep 18 12:09:10 They haven't though. Sep 18 12:09:17 navit works, though it seems to crash when you try and enter a destination Sep 18 12:09:40 what about opentom? Sep 18 12:13:32 Anyone here that has ordered OpenMoko from Belgium, and received their goods? Can anyone recommend them? Sep 18 12:14:43 http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=rds-tmc this should work over wifi... if anyone cares to implement it Sep 18 12:19:32 Holy memory leaks batman! Sep 18 12:20:08 Daramarak: yup, I've got him here Sep 18 12:21:08 Tig! Sep 18 12:21:21 'ello Dave Sep 18 12:21:30 Bouncy bouncy :) Sep 18 12:21:46 just flashed to the latest FSO image and the damn thing will not connect to dbus :( Sep 18 12:21:55 oh shit :P Sep 18 12:21:57 on its third reboot Sep 18 12:22:08 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rc05c0282fbb0 10/src/frameworkd-glib-device.c: Applied auto-fix patch from quickdev, thanks again. Sep 18 12:22:10 this is off the buildhost not the milestone image Sep 18 12:22:18 o.O Sep 18 12:22:23 oh, you mean the daily build? Sep 18 12:22:26 I just wished the thing would reboot faster :) Sep 18 12:22:28 AINULINDALE Sep 18 12:22:31 What ? Sep 18 12:22:48 Hello, and thank you for your software efforts :) Sep 18 12:22:56 Tig, yeah Sep 18 12:23:01 You're welcome Sep 18 12:23:13 from here: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ Sep 18 12:23:14 My 2007.2 image takes on average six minutes to reboot Sep 18 12:23:51 Ainulindale: I don't know who did them but I've noticed that the Contacts and Messages program on OM are super slow, and possibly leaky Sep 18 12:24:22 <|FiLiP|> Daramarak: I've ordered ine trough Pulster, took a bit longer than I expected but I'm using it now Sep 18 12:24:30 Dave: They are, yes Sep 18 12:24:42 one of the major flaws is it wants to preload EVERYTHING, which is a terrible idea Sep 18 12:24:56 Also, it appears to halt the phone if you have a certain number of messages stored Sep 18 12:25:07 I guess it just can't handle that many loaded at once? Sep 18 12:25:24 Clearly there are other usability flaws as well between the two applications, but :x Sep 18 12:25:51 Dave: The way it has been conceived is pretty weird indeed Sep 18 12:25:54 Why there isn't an Archive feature, I have no clue. Sep 18 12:26:01 Ainulindale :) Sep 18 12:26:18 Things like GSM handling meddles with UI stuff and so on Sep 18 12:26:28 But it will change with SHR, if people can wake up :-) Sep 18 12:26:34 hehe Sep 18 12:26:41 When if ever that'll happen, I don't know :) Sep 18 12:27:22 I wonder if there's even a way to "save" the messages already stored on this phone :[ Sep 18 12:27:32 I don't want to lose some of the message history :\ Sep 18 12:28:18 meh going to reflash with yesterdays image Sep 18 12:28:28 should only take a few hours :P Sep 18 12:28:30 Dave: on 2007.2 yes Sep 18 12:28:31 thereis Sep 18 12:28:35 +" " Sep 18 12:28:37 oh snap Sep 18 12:28:41 Just copy your eds directory Sep 18 12:28:47 hah!, okay :) Sep 18 12:29:24 Ainulindale, I'm thinking I should really be using qtopia for my messaging. Sep 18 12:29:52 yuk Sep 18 12:29:56 Though, ironically, my 2007.2 phone still has the most features that I use on a daily basis, and having to carry two of them around is kind of silly. Sep 18 12:31:50 an interesting quirk about the freerunner is I like how I don't necessarily need a ringtone of any sort, since right before I am about to receive a call/message the guy's speakers next to me begin to crackle, or some other form of electronic equipment fluxuates or experiences feedback :P Sep 18 12:32:13 as with any phone near audio lines... Sep 18 12:32:14 whee. This is nothing new of course, but still somewhat amusing. Sep 18 12:32:20 true. Sep 18 12:32:39 OdyX, yeah, except the freerunner seems to have deleterious effects on large pieces of electronic equipment :p Sep 18 12:32:54 kaboom ! Sep 18 12:32:58 SERIOUSLY Sep 18 12:33:23 dude, it made one of the CRT tubes snap crackle pop in my office monitor once :p Sep 18 12:33:33 that wasn't cool :\ Sep 18 12:33:36 the display got all fucked up Sep 18 12:33:57 also taking my freerunner into my electronics laboratory was hilariously bad, last week Sep 18 12:34:32 shit all over was going haywire - the guy's cellphone next to me started crackling right next to me :P Sep 18 12:34:46 oh man, good times. Sep 18 12:34:49 and spooky :p Sep 18 12:34:59 IF ONLY THEY KNEW THE SOURCE >:) Sep 18 12:35:05 I still can't work out how it managed the cellphone one Sep 18 12:35:10 I figure, why not harness this interference and make it useful. Sep 18 12:35:19 Tig, dude, I'm not making it up :P Sep 18 12:35:34 Only things I noticed were it was a smartphone of some kind, which must have had audio? Sep 18 12:35:37 maybe? Sep 18 12:35:44 But he's like wtf Sep 18 12:35:55 meanwhile, my freerunner is sitting on the table reregistering :P Sep 18 12:37:02 oh, what's even more fun, is a couple of my subwoofers pick up the local radio station... but when the freerunner is in proximity to the woofer, it pushes the station out, and then comes back Sep 18 12:37:21 anyhoo I still think we should just turn this interference into something useful Sep 18 12:37:26 have you been playing with the internals? :) Sep 18 12:37:35 No, I swear! O:-) Sep 18 12:37:40 Dave: to silence those loud teen-cars on streets? Sep 18 12:37:47 YES Sep 18 12:38:04 dude, I learned my lesson Sep 18 12:38:11 a cell phone jammer that blocks everything but your own? Sep 18 12:38:19 Turning on a cellphone jammer at rush hour on a bus full of college kids... Sep 18 12:38:21 Tig, huhu Sep 18 12:38:22 Dave: I have been planning to use some kind of EMP-cannon for it but FR will do too, I guess Sep 18 12:38:25 Not good :P Sep 18 12:38:30 hahaha, oh sweet! Sep 18 12:38:46 TmT, let's just hook it up to a special super battery pack for that feature? Sep 18 12:38:48 ah .... the freerunner is now destructure to others ? Sep 18 12:39:01 aliases, it always was... Sep 18 12:39:05 You just had to recognize it :) Sep 18 12:39:11 Dave: perhaps, with some kind of aim Sep 18 12:39:20 It's clearly deleterious to your health and well being... as it makes you go insane very quickly :) Sep 18 12:39:22 destructive * Sep 18 12:39:24 That is an aggressive form of marketing :) Sep 18 12:39:29 Other than that, it is clearly a terrorist weapon. Sep 18 12:39:38 Tig, by blowing portions of it up? :P Sep 18 12:39:48 BUY MY PRODUCT OR IT WILL KILL YOU!? Sep 18 12:39:52 i know its a real iphone killer. place person with iphone on unsecure network (ap / ad hock) shack with jail break, hope its the default password. halt it. Sep 18 12:39:59 by forcing other people to buy one if they want a signal :) Sep 18 12:40:18 Tig|: ah ? are you guys for real ;) Sep 18 12:40:39 >:) Sep 18 12:40:42 well I am real but what I am talking about is sillyness :) Sep 18 12:40:49 Tig, as far as I know, unofficialy, verizon's done that Sep 18 12:41:00 vzw, that is Sep 18 12:41:08 Anyhoo, cellphone jammer? totally. Sep 18 12:41:11 Yes please :) Sep 18 12:41:17 Dave: well that is the US market and that is a silly place Sep 18 12:41:19 Let's just call it "Quiet Mode" Sep 18 12:41:26 or Pacify Mode :p Sep 18 12:41:32 Tig, indeed! :) Sep 18 12:41:33 peace mode Sep 18 12:41:49 Yes! Sep 18 12:41:51 I believe it is called "Winning the War on Noise" mode :P Sep 18 12:41:51 ^_^ Sep 18 12:41:53 I like it Sep 18 12:41:57 haha Sep 18 12:42:08 It's kind of scary though Sep 18 12:42:14 we took a tower out here, once Sep 18 12:42:29 currently my phone is "Winning the War on Dbus"...... grrr Sep 18 12:42:32 It was like fucking chaos, because there was no overlapping cell for about 400people Sep 18 12:42:39 haha Dbus Sep 18 12:42:43 Dave: oops Sep 18 12:42:47 :D Sep 18 12:42:58 Hey, let's just call it... an "experiment" >:) Sep 18 12:42:59 hehe Sep 18 12:43:23 awaynicks... yuck Sep 18 12:43:26 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf6cf3f4bc57 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [edje-sdk] Add edje-sdk. Sep 18 12:43:27 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r06f37f579a39 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-toolchain-host.bb: [meta-toolchain-openmoko] Add edje-sdk Sep 18 12:43:29 hmm Sep 18 12:43:37 apt nickometer k-s[AWAY] Sep 18 12:43:39 'k-s[AWAY]' is 76.000% lame, dave Sep 18 12:43:41 huhu Sep 18 12:43:48 apt nickometer Tig|[HERE] Sep 18 12:43:50 'Tig|[HERE]' is 50.000% lame, dave Sep 18 12:43:52 haw Sep 18 12:43:59 pah Sep 18 12:44:01 I disagree, he's got a pipe Sep 18 12:44:12 ~pipe Sep 18 12:44:13 from memory, pipe is in a odd location as well, but i dun mind much about that Sep 18 12:44:23 apt smoke it Sep 18 12:44:24 * apt rolls up it, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes Sep 18 12:44:30 hehe Sep 18 12:44:31 ;D Sep 18 12:44:37 apt: good bot Sep 18 12:44:37 Dave: aw, gee Sep 18 12:44:41 :) Sep 18 12:45:02 my phone is still making that odd high pitched noise when data is going over usb Sep 18 12:45:09 :[ Sep 18 12:45:12 yeah, I had that Sep 18 12:45:16 it was really annoying Sep 18 12:45:37 well at least I know when my flash has finished Sep 18 12:45:52 fortunately my 500+MB data transfer continually failed, so I had to eventually rip it out and use a card reader Sep 18 12:45:56 haha Sep 18 12:46:00 good point :p Sep 18 12:46:02 ooo silence Sep 18 12:46:11 kind of how I know when I'm going to get a message? :P Sep 18 12:46:16 haha :) Sep 18 12:46:21 they guy's phone NEXT to me fucks up :D Sep 18 12:46:30 how deliciously ironic Sep 18 12:46:44 Wonder how hard it'd be to turn the moko into a jammer Sep 18 12:46:50 apt summon Speedevil Sep 18 12:46:51 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing Speedevil's coordinates Sep 18 12:47:59 Dave : it can successfully block it's own calls at the moment :) Sep 18 12:48:06 so it is 50% there :P Sep 18 12:49:17 Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh still connecting with dbus Sep 18 12:49:30 ahaha :D Sep 18 12:49:49 Dude, how is that possible, it's like EPICFAIL, because it operates on the whole principle of dbus. Sep 18 12:49:59 or rather, if dbus isn't there, the phone doesn't work at all. Sep 18 12:50:04 Though I'm sure you are clearly finding this out :D Sep 18 12:50:10 it is a known issue Sep 18 12:50:22 :O Sep 18 12:50:30 At runtime, or a build issue? Sep 18 12:50:33 sometimes it does not come up properly and the fix is a microsoft special Sep 18 12:50:42 so you have to reboot until it magically "works" ? Sep 18 12:50:56 yep, I have never had it before Sep 18 12:50:58 UGGH Sep 18 12:51:05 urge to kill... RISING Sep 18 12:51:17 but it looks like the recent builds are suffering from it Sep 18 12:51:23 haha Sep 18 12:51:31 it's funny how Dave's law still holds true then ;D Sep 18 12:52:04 As development proceeds forward frequently, it seems, progress goes backwards in key/core parts of the software. Sep 18 12:52:09 I think it is only on the first boot Sep 18 12:52:29 or in hilariousness, in the repositories, for some packages, as the version numbers increase, the revision numbers decrease. Sep 18 12:52:33 What the fuck is that? :D Sep 18 12:52:34 from the book of the wiki (hardback version) : and lo "If the Zhone main window does not appear on first boot or stays with "connecting to dbus..." longer than 1 minute, then please reboot. The base system still has some problems with dbus starting for the first time" Sep 18 12:52:52 haha Sep 18 12:52:56 wah wah Sep 18 12:53:02 oh right, this is right after flashing? Sep 18 12:53:09 yeah Sep 18 12:54:32 Hmm, so maybe I shouldn't try FSO3 :p Sep 18 12:54:43 Sorry, mickey :P Sep 18 12:54:59 I had it running fine with the milestone release Sep 18 12:55:02 Though I have to, since I have a phone for each distro. Sep 18 12:55:12 except some just sit there. Sep 18 12:55:15 Since they stick :P Sep 18 12:55:19 stink Sep 18 12:55:45 but decided to flash to a new image from the autobuilder and set up the feeds Sep 18 12:56:03 Dave: how did you end up with so many? Sep 18 12:56:06 and, consequentially, it seems to have... set you up the bomb. Sep 18 12:56:12 Tig, I work with them :) Sep 18 12:56:23 ah :) Sep 18 12:56:27 doing what? Sep 18 12:56:40 SEKRETZ PLANZ Sep 18 12:56:56 eeek a WinCE port! Sep 18 12:57:02 hahahahaha Sep 18 12:57:03 kill kill kill Sep 18 12:57:04 if only :p Sep 18 12:57:13 as far as I know, it'd be Windows Mobile platform :p Sep 18 12:57:23 just have, perhaps worse memory utilization Sep 18 12:58:32 don't talk to me about windows mobile devices, i have a dell something 51v or something that sits on a shelf as it is too buggy and painful to use Sep 18 12:59:44 :D Sep 18 12:59:53 he e double l Sep 18 13:00:38 Tig|: oh ? Sep 18 13:00:52 if it had not been free I would have been annoyed :) Sep 18 13:00:57 i'm still confused why we can't boot in under 30 seconds Sep 18 13:01:11 like... ffs just store a ready state on it or something Sep 18 13:01:31 aliases123: I suspect we are not loading stuff in paralell yet Sep 18 13:01:57 Tig|: no the debian guys tested that. it doesn't make a difference. they got the best result from switching to dash instead of bash Sep 18 13:02:10 ah Sep 18 13:02:17 what about using upstart? Sep 18 13:02:17 (debian boots faster than the stock 2007 / 2008 i think anyway). Sep 18 13:02:26 Tig|: there is no upstart in debian. thank god. Sep 18 13:03:16 Tig|: they (ubuntu) thought it would be a good idea to remove several useful features of shutdown. there is no shutdown -F -- fsck on reboot and a solution to that is trivial, but they will not make it. Sep 18 13:03:48 (that would be fsck on next boot). Sep 18 13:04:15 did they actually remove it or did they just not implement it in their version of shutdown? Sep 18 13:05:00 Tig|: by remove i mean didn't add it. Sep 18 13:05:15 which is rather pathetic. Sep 18 13:05:50 well for the desktop version they probably didn't think it was needed Sep 18 13:05:57 o_O Sep 18 13:06:01 What are you talking about? Sep 18 13:06:12 the only thing they need to do is an an option to touch /forcefsck and Tig| its not on the server either. Sep 18 13:06:27 unless i'm wrong its the same upstart init... Sep 18 13:06:28 has it been flagged as a bug? Sep 18 13:06:29 --force it till it HERTZ? Sep 18 13:06:44 qtopia is a bug. Sep 18 13:06:56 Tig|: yes. and it has not been fixed. Sep 18 13:07:01 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/74139 Sep 18 13:07:06 apparently they will not fix it. Sep 18 13:07:08 mediaplayer is a bug Sep 18 13:07:18 unintended feature, rather. Sep 18 13:09:58 bwah Sep 18 13:10:10 Error Failure We're going down Sep 18 13:10:16 well, so much for that... Sep 18 13:11:31 Dave: ? Sep 18 13:20:11 Error Failure We were never up Sep 18 13:21:48 ~jingle bells Sep 18 13:38:32 * Weiss wondered how long it would be since getting his FR before a random person noticed it and asked about it Sep 18 13:38:36 the answer: 11.5 days Sep 18 13:41:00 :P Sep 18 13:41:12 hey i tried installing the fat and dirty om Sep 18 13:41:18 heh Sep 18 13:41:19 looks much better then om 2008 Sep 18 13:41:24 haha Sep 18 13:41:28 I wouldn't know :P Sep 18 13:41:46 at least you manage to digit the pin Sep 18 13:41:47 I'm not into mexicans. Sep 18 13:42:06 and selct numbers or letters or terminal Sep 18 13:42:13 and has many applications Sep 18 13:42:29 i just did not manage to connect to wifi still Sep 18 13:43:02 and also it does not work like the normal om2008 about usb connection Sep 18 13:43:30 Dave, what do you use? Sep 18 13:44:08 i got the phone yesterday and i am trying to flash different images and llok for one that works Sep 18 13:44:20 om2008 > not good Sep 18 13:44:34 enriko: I've been using qtopia, it's been pretty amazing so far Sep 18 13:44:50 do you manage to use wifi with that? Sep 18 13:45:02 I did for about a second xD Sep 18 13:45:10 apparantly it works well, might just be my awful router Sep 18 13:46:14 and okæy Sep 18 13:46:19 i am gonn atry that too Sep 18 13:46:21 why not Sep 18 13:46:34 looks nice that at least it retrieves the numbers from the sim Sep 18 13:46:35 I've been impressed with it, it seems way more mature than OM 2008.8 Sep 18 13:46:45 an besides Sep 18 13:46:51 trolltech is one of my customers Sep 18 13:46:58 i have to set up a lamp server for them Sep 18 13:47:04 called bluetopia next week Sep 18 13:47:13 i guess it's bingo if i also use it Sep 18 13:47:17 win win Sep 18 13:50:47 Seadog_, do you manage connecting to it with usb? Sep 18 13:50:54 and getting it online by that? Sep 18 13:51:40 yarr Sep 18 13:51:41 enriko: yeah that was easy Sep 18 13:51:49 goodie Sep 18 13:52:00 flashing Sep 18 13:52:15 so far openmoko was fun Sep 18 13:52:20 not really reliable Sep 18 13:52:26 but i got hope Sep 18 13:52:27 :) Sep 18 13:53:49 howevah Sep 18 13:53:57 om 2008 has nice graphics Sep 18 13:55:32 You like them? Sep 18 13:56:22 yeah Sep 18 13:56:28 don't you Dave? Sep 18 13:57:21 no Sep 18 13:57:30 okæy Sep 18 13:57:33 so what do you use Sep 18 13:57:39 qtopia you too? Sep 18 13:58:47 haha na Sep 18 13:58:52 Actually I'm still using 2007.2 Sep 18 13:59:03 It's still the best (most usable), in my opinion. Sep 18 13:59:11 For all my various uses, anyway. Sep 18 13:59:20 ah Sep 18 13:59:22 Everything else is still "getting there" ... Sep 18 13:59:28 but no wifi Sep 18 13:59:38 and no good audio Sep 18 13:59:38 2007 has 100% working wifi Sep 18 13:59:44 åh Sep 18 13:59:46 for all my uses Sep 18 13:59:50 the audio is fine Sep 18 13:59:55 for calls it could be sketchy though Sep 18 13:59:59 but I don't make calls using it Sep 18 14:00:05 So it's a non-issue :) Sep 18 14:00:07 but is it 2007 version the default you get with the phone Sep 18 14:00:12 ? Sep 18 14:00:15 I use mplayer on 2007.2 and listen/watch audio streams Sep 18 14:00:19 it works nicely Sep 18 14:00:27 yeah it's the default that ships with it Sep 18 14:00:28 * enriko talks about the neo freerunner Sep 18 14:00:33 ah yeah Sep 18 14:00:37 it sucks balls Sep 18 14:00:38 :) Sep 18 14:00:56 how do you digit the pin code? Sep 18 14:01:04 scrolling down to numbers? Sep 18 14:01:09 it's hopeless Sep 18 14:01:15 and the t9 on contacts Sep 18 14:01:20 when you write a new name Sep 18 14:01:27 like my gf name is mari Sep 18 14:01:38 it took me 20 minutes to try storing her name Sep 18 14:01:41 not mary Sep 18 14:01:45 not maria Sep 18 14:01:47 .... Sep 18 14:02:11 it just irritated me Sep 18 14:03:12 haha, yeah Sep 18 14:03:18 Agreed Sep 18 14:03:25 well you can always change keyboards Sep 18 14:03:27 which is good Sep 18 14:03:34 yeah predictive text is good for one thing and one thing only Sep 18 14:03:37 but I never use it Sep 18 14:03:49 because it gets in the way too much, and I can type faster on a tiny qwerty keyboard Sep 18 14:04:11 so you bought the phone to have a portable terminal Sep 18 14:04:14 and that's all Sep 18 14:04:17 right? Sep 18 14:04:59 hahaha Sep 18 14:05:00 no :P Sep 18 14:05:09 haha. Sep 18 14:06:29 finished flashing and booted Sep 18 14:06:33 looks nice Sep 18 14:09:02 but does not look like it workd importing the numbers from sim Sep 18 14:17:11 ljp: Any word on the 4.3.3 source tarballs? (I'm feeling unloved by Nokia/Trolltech right now; I've already reverse-engineered one of your patches in that binary blob, I'm not sure I wish to have to reverse-engineer the SMS/suspend one, since it's supposedly open-source!!!) Sep 18 14:31:18 is everyone having problems with WSOD or is there a fix? Sep 18 14:32:59 I've got a problem with all wireless networks getting detected as WPA on mofi.. Sep 18 14:33:09 Not sure where to place the bug report.. Sep 18 14:34:36 ecraven: ping Sep 18 14:38:13 mmm Sep 18 14:38:24 seems like qtopia crashes very easyly Sep 18 14:47:59 hello, i've not been able to resolve my sd problem: i have end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 in dmesg and i've tried various sd_max_clk without success...and what's sd_slow_ratio ? Sep 18 14:48:23 i'd like to use my 4gb microsd in order to try debian... Sep 18 14:54:33 I can't run simple qt helloworld on qtopia 4.3.3 / neo 1973. It says "qt-helloworld not found". File is there and it is executable Sep 18 14:56:55 pheno: are you trying to run it from the terminal? Sep 18 14:57:21 yes Sep 18 14:58:07 is it in your PATH? Sep 18 14:58:22 or just in the current directory? Sep 18 14:58:27 well actually I start it with ./qt-helloworld and it is in the current path Sep 18 14:59:14 just can't understand it Sep 18 14:59:56 so, it's in your current directory, is executable, and you are trying to run it with ./qt-helloworld ? Sep 18 15:00:22 correct Sep 18 15:01:05 what exactly do the permissions of it look like? Sep 18 15:01:44 unfortunately I don't have the phone with me at the moment, I checked it and it was 0755 Sep 18 15:01:45 from the output of: ls -l ./qt-helloworld Sep 18 15:01:57 i see Sep 18 15:02:04 don't know what to tell you Sep 18 15:02:15 does completion works? if you type ./qt-h and tab? Sep 18 15:02:23 But I believe I should be able to run it, right ? Sep 18 15:02:26 sakkara: yes Sep 18 15:02:33 anyone for my sd problem...i've tried lowering the clock but it didn't work Sep 18 15:02:37 yeah, you should... Sep 18 15:02:55 freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rcee8114fe8fa 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.6 Sep 18 15:07:51 <|FiLiP|> pheno ? Sep 18 15:07:58 <|FiLiP|> try . /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env Sep 18 15:08:11 <|FiLiP|> and the ./qt-helloworld Sep 18 15:16:52 which version of curl i can use with openmoko toolchain ? Sep 18 15:18:55 anyone? Sep 18 15:21:28 mickeyl: good morning Sep 18 15:21:33 hey p Sep 18 15:21:35 b_ Sep 18 15:21:41 hmm, bogus return events Sep 18 15:25:42 i can't seem to get gprs running on fso3 ;\ Sep 18 15:25:53 (haven't tried on other distros yet) Sep 18 15:26:03 i get outgoing and after 10~ secs i got release Sep 18 15:26:12 any ideas+ Sep 18 15:26:13 ? Sep 18 15:27:04 turn on debugging and check the pppd.log Sep 18 15:29:00 how do i turn on debugging? Sep 18 15:29:06 i tried using mdbus Sep 18 15:29:07 read openmokoframework page on the wiki Sep 18 15:29:19 that's how i found out about the release Sep 18 15:29:25 mickeyl, tg, thanks. Sep 18 15:37:09 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfc9343f746ac 10/fsod/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Simplify things a bit. Delete subsystem.vala to simplify things Sep 18 15:37:10 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3acc5080970a 10/fsod/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Sep 18 15:37:10 freesmartphone.org: Subsystem factories should take in the Service object Sep 18 15:37:10 freesmartphone.org: Maintain a hashmap of the loaded objects Sep 18 15:40:26 anyone for my sdcard problem...i tried changing the maximum clock but still i had some i/o errors...and i didn't use suspend... Sep 18 15:44:57 is debian installed yet? Sep 18 15:48:19 it's in the process...but on the 512MB sd-card... Sep 18 15:48:59 the card that has problem is a 4GB one...and i'd like to resolve them... Sep 18 15:57:08 tg, ok made the logs Sep 18 15:57:24 looked through, and it's talking about usb0 quite often ;0 Sep 18 15:57:33 the ppp log? Sep 18 16:01:25 no, the debug log of the framework Sep 18 16:01:28 where is the ppp log at? Sep 18 16:02:24 logread -f while trying to connect Sep 18 16:02:30 ppp dumps its log into the syslog Sep 18 16:02:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rfc0089aaac15 10/src/zhone: add warning regarding the state of the program Sep 18 16:03:36 mickeyl, cool. Sep 18 16:03:39 thanks again. Sep 18 16:03:44 np Sep 18 16:04:51 is it a kingston sdcard? Sep 18 16:05:18 i just bought 2 4 gig cards fir 32 dollars Sep 18 16:05:27 kingston Sep 18 16:05:33 yech Sep 18 16:05:47 phone's not recieving calls... Sep 18 16:05:52 using 2008.9.17 Sep 18 16:06:00 yea me too Sep 18 16:06:17 sometines it seems alsa quits Sep 18 16:06:25 gonna try out qtopia Sep 18 16:06:27 which is nothing new Sep 18 16:06:41 is the new 1 here?:) Sep 18 16:06:46 4.3.3 Sep 18 16:06:50 oo Sep 18 16:07:02 check the wiki mainpage Sep 18 16:07:05 it seemed very good Sep 18 16:07:25 i used it fir 2 days Sep 18 16:08:13 as expected it's saying connection failed ;0 Sep 18 16:08:17 sec im upping the logs. Sep 18 16:08:45 Gnutoo: maybe you ask in the mailing-list? Sep 18 16:09:10 hama, ok thanks i'll do it... Sep 18 16:09:59 hama, by the way do you know what is sd_slow_ratio? Sep 18 16:12:03 hama, found it Sep 18 16:16:10 do you know where's the connect and disconnect scripts for ppp are located at? Sep 18 16:18:58 or their equivalents in fso? Sep 18 16:19:23 i wanna see exactly what it's doing since i already got ppp working on my computer with my other phone Sep 18 16:19:56 Hi! Does anybody know, how to add russian language to qtopia-4.3.3? I just want read sms wrotten in russian. Sep 18 16:25:36 ecraven: ping Sep 18 16:28:14 no idea where i can change the connect and disconnect tmp files that ogsmd creates? Sep 18 16:30:37 <_sh|AJuOnLiNE> mickeyl: you read the doc i sent ? Sep 18 16:31:22 not yet Sep 18 16:31:50 mickeyl, do you know where does it save those templates? Sep 18 16:31:54 <_sh|AJuOnLiNE> ok.. Sep 18 16:32:02 TAsn: read /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py Sep 18 16:32:07 cause i think i had to hack mine in order to connect from the computer. Sep 18 16:32:12 hmm Sep 18 16:32:13 thanks. Sep 18 16:32:15 i'd be surprised Sep 18 16:32:25 those files are provider-agnostic iirc Sep 18 16:32:30 but lets see your diffs Sep 18 16:33:28 sec i will check if that even works (have to open my laptop first) Sep 18 16:34:02 mickeyl, those are the options Sep 18 16:34:13 im talking about the chat Sep 18 16:34:20 AT commands etc Sep 18 16:34:28 and installing qtopia Sep 18 16:34:32 those are generic as well Sep 18 16:34:32 lets see how this looks Sep 18 16:34:51 the only thing that i could imagine making a difference is choosing PAP/CHAP Sep 18 16:34:57 i know, though i tried generic ones last time and that didn't work, i wanna try non generic. Sep 18 16:35:25 where is it though? i wanna try Sep 18 16:35:58 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/generic/pdp.py Sep 18 16:35:58 how do i install debian on a 512MB card? Sep 18 16:37:30 mickeyl, no such dir generic. Sep 18 16:37:44 was in abstract though Sep 18 16:38:17 ya Sep 18 16:38:23 can't remember all paths all of the time :) Sep 18 16:38:37 you were doing that by heart?! Sep 18 16:38:53 i though you have the moko by your side and you were just pressing tab along the way ;] Sep 18 16:38:56 GJ! Sep 18 16:40:14 heh, no Sep 18 16:40:21 too many open windows Sep 18 16:40:21 Gnutoo, the general instructions for Debian might work.... but I hear it just _barely_ fits. Otherwise on the wiki is a "Manual" debian install method Sep 18 16:40:29 is it true dogs can't look up? Sep 18 16:40:30 it'd take time to find out the remote console for the neo :) Sep 18 16:40:42 :) Sep 18 16:40:45 how far "up", ieatlint Sep 18 16:41:12 mickeyl, it's such a shame i get my fr a week early than i planned, i think im gonna fail the test on monday ;\ Sep 18 16:41:12 awwaiid, the problem is the space...i get out of space before finishing the install and my 4gb card get i/o errors Sep 18 16:41:43 Probably the easiest thing is to look at the install script and see if there is anything that you can leave out Sep 18 16:41:52 TAsn: uh oh... spend more time learning, less time playing! :) Sep 18 16:42:03 whereas Openmoko is learning as well *cough* ;) Sep 18 16:42:07 just a different subject Sep 18 16:42:08 heh Sep 18 16:42:15 ieatlint: maybe dogs can't raise their head above a certian point without changing body position, but yes dogs can look up overall. (how else could they catch frisbees) Sep 18 16:42:18 mickeyl, yeah. Sep 18 16:42:31 it's a computer science degree though i think im learning more from the moko ;0 Sep 18 16:42:48 rooly|away, saw, i just watched shaun of the dead again Sep 18 16:42:52 Gnutoo, or if you wanna get fancy.... maybe you could run the debain script step-by-step, and at a key moment nfs-mount some more space for /var/cache/apt Sep 18 16:43:06 awwaiid, good idea Sep 18 16:43:13 blah, sorry Sep 18 16:43:18 i can't talk, let alonetype Sep 18 16:43:23 lol Sep 18 16:43:30 installing qtopia! Sep 18 16:43:32 woo hoo! Sep 18 16:43:36 thanks...but where does debian store it's temporary files? in /var/ ? Sep 18 16:43:38 maybe it'll resume and suspend correctly Sep 18 16:44:01 hi people.. there is one more happy person on the planet, FR ower ;) Sep 18 16:44:06 it puts the packages it downloads in /var/cache/apt/archives Sep 18 16:44:25 but it unpacks them in-place Sep 18 16:44:42 still, that might be all you need to get it actually installed Sep 18 16:44:50 post was fault for the delay, not pulster Sep 18 16:46:37 the FR that i received is almost empty.. i cannot even find how should i type anything in terminal? Sep 18 16:46:58 Raigedas: Did you read the "getting started" on the wiki? Sep 18 16:47:03 awwaiid, ok thanks Sep 18 16:47:11 np Sep 18 16:49:01 i read about connecting pc usb. but it does not work. they say that i should be able to ssh to FR at address 192.168.0.202 but i even cannot ping it. Sep 18 16:49:30 Raigedas: did you ifconfig it properly? Sep 18 16:50:48 Raigedas: What OS is your PC running? Sep 18 16:51:03 no. isnt it by default already set ip 192.168.0.202 ? i just have set on windows thet usb ethernet adapter ip to 192.168.0.200 Sep 18 16:51:17 most of the time XP Sep 18 16:51:19 (btw, since I reinstalled Ubuntu I have to ifdown & ifup usb0 every time after reconnecting the neo before I can connect) Sep 18 16:51:40 Raigedas: ew. ;-) Sep 18 16:51:46 :( Sep 18 16:51:53 i apologise.. Sep 18 16:51:54 ;) Sep 18 16:51:55 heh Sep 18 16:52:16 but i have ubuntu afcourse Sep 18 16:52:21 *of Sep 18 16:52:29 I don't even try to get my neo working on windows boxes - it was a pain to do the one time I got it to work, and I have to install a driver on the machine Sep 18 16:52:29 yeah, i can't help you with Windows. Just make sure the IP range isn't conflicting with another network device. Sep 18 16:52:52 Since all the windows machines I connect to are not mine (work or a family member's), I don't like to install new drivers Sep 18 17:04:08 mickeyl, even after changing this file it won't change nothing (still running the same commands) Sep 18 17:04:28 what does the log say? Sep 18 17:04:40 logread -f? Sep 18 17:04:47 it's writing the same commands Sep 18 17:04:52 like if i haven't changed nothing. Sep 18 17:05:07 although i have change pdp.py Sep 18 17:05:23 oh Sep 18 17:05:35 btw Sep 18 17:05:42 well, the question is _how_ does it fail for you? Sep 18 17:05:52 where in the ppp setup handshake Sep 18 17:05:57 /tmp/ogsmd/gprs-connect-bla Sep 18 17:06:03 is changed to be mine Sep 18 17:06:11 but chat is still running the old commands... Sep 18 17:06:19 mickeyl, you get what i mean? Sep 18 17:06:25 changing files won't do Sep 18 17:06:31 you need to change the source of the files in pdp.py Sep 18 17:06:34 i know. Sep 18 17:06:37 i changed pdp.py Sep 18 17:06:39 ok Sep 18 17:06:40 now it updates Sep 18 17:06:44 but how exactly is it failing? Sep 18 17:06:48 please show us the logs Sep 18 17:06:50 /tmp/ogsmd/gprs.... to mine Sep 18 17:06:54 otherwise it's just blindg guessing Sep 18 17:07:01 mickeyl, it's not running my commands though! Sep 18 17:07:06 that's what im trying to say. Sep 18 17:07:11 is there a way to recover an sd card when suspend has messed with it? Sep 18 17:07:21 did you restart the framework after changing pdp? Sep 18 17:07:27 it changed the correct files but it still doesn't run those commands. Sep 18 17:07:30 mickeyl, nope. Sep 18 17:07:31 sec. Sep 18 17:07:32 heh Sep 18 17:07:45 you need to restart, python won't pick up changed files while a program is running Sep 18 17:08:57 lpotter: I have significant recharge problems with Qtopia 4.3.2 on gta01 Sep 18 17:09:08 lpotter: It forgets that I told it to fast charge, so it discharges Sep 18 17:09:23 lpotter: It does that frequently. I think it has done it every night for the last 4 nights. Sep 18 17:09:59 lpotter: And for some reason it usually doesn't obey the power management setup for while on the charger. e.g. I tell it to dim after 20 seconds and go black after 40, and it does neither, ever. Sep 18 17:10:31 lpotter: Other than that, and the known issue in which sound doesn't switch to the headphones, qtopia has been great. Sep 18 17:11:08 My big nitpick is not being able to, or not knowing how to, manage which directories I see sound files, pictures, etc. from. Sep 18 17:12:24 extremely strange.. i have executed on FR "ifconfig" and it tels that usb0 adapter has ip 192.168.0.202. but i cannot ping it from winxp. i can only ping 192.168.0.200 ... Sep 18 17:12:40 request timed out Sep 18 17:14:01 i have no firewalls.. Sep 18 17:15:12 Raigedas: request times out to 200, or just to 202? Sep 18 17:15:31 times out just to 202 Sep 18 17:15:55 should i set "default gateway" on pc for that adapter? and what it should be? Sep 18 17:16:23 In your network connections, do you see the Device Name for your FR? Sep 18 17:16:53 mickeyl, my version did get further Sep 18 17:17:45 though i got this: Sep 18 17:17:46 Sep 18 20:13:38 om-gta02 daemon.notice modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mpp Sep 18 17:17:46 e (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko): No such device Sep 18 17:17:50 wurp2|working, yes of course i see. it was "Local Area Connection 3" by default and i renamed it to "freerunner". this is the adapter where i have set ip to .0.200 Sep 18 17:18:15 TAsn: you can ignore that Sep 18 17:22:20 hmm... actualy my PC is on that subnet. i mean that the main ip of my computer is 192.168.0.5 . my that be a problem? Sep 18 17:22:41 Raigedas: Of course that is a problem... Sep 18 17:22:43 should i put FR stuff on different subnet Sep 18 17:22:57 ok Sep 18 17:22:58 may be, you should double check route print Sep 18 17:23:48 Raigedas: you can use 255.255.255.128 as netmask Sep 18 17:23:49 You could theoretically do some fancy footwork with subnet masks, but it makes far more sense to just put it on a different subnet Sep 18 17:24:12 bernt: Unless one of the PCs on his other network has an address with last quad >= 128... Sep 18 17:25:01 wurp2|working: mostly the ips are in a certain range ;-) Sep 18 17:25:36 bernt: yeah, but it's still much easier just to switch the third quad Sep 18 17:26:14 well, a little easier, as well as a little less likely to still be broken or spontaneously break in the future Sep 18 17:26:19 but this is boring ;-) Sep 18 17:26:38 True. I'm all about boring when it comes to stuff I want to work :-) Sep 18 17:26:51 I suggest add route to 192.168.0.202 via usb device, but 192.168.0.0 via eth. I think you will attach neo many times, and it you will not like change ip often. Sep 18 17:27:23 at the moment I have mixed debian apt and opkg on my freerunner .. trying to solve that ;-) Sep 18 17:27:31 mickeyl, http://www.pastebin.ca/1205113 Sep 18 17:27:34 this is the first try Sep 18 17:27:38 the second is: Sep 18 17:28:29 http://www.pastebin.ca/1205114 Sep 18 17:28:34 got any ideas? Sep 18 17:30:52 mickeyl, both with your script, my output was similar to the second. Sep 18 17:32:15 hello Sep 18 17:32:20 where is the german channel? Sep 18 17:32:35 Hello gentlemen Sep 18 17:32:47 thomasgruebler: #neo1973-germany Sep 18 17:32:47 thomasgruebler: dont know, but nice to see some german people ;-) Sep 18 17:33:16 #neo-norge ? :D Sep 18 17:33:27 thx Sep 18 17:36:41 TAsn: ok, looks like authentication fails Sep 18 17:36:50 is "internet" a valid APN for your network? Sep 18 17:36:56 yeah. Sep 18 17:36:58 which user and password are you giving? Sep 18 17:37:01 do you need PAP or CHAP? Sep 18 17:37:06 orange mobile54 Sep 18 17:37:19 and im not sure whether i need pap or chap Sep 18 17:37:29 MICKEYL Sep 18 17:37:37 your dbus is failing us Sep 18 17:37:37 how can i check on my nokia? Sep 18 17:37:51 dunno, your provider should give you that info Sep 18 17:38:12 my provider has bad service ;] Sep 18 17:38:22 :P Sep 18 17:42:14 anyways, i can have a look when i'm in tapei Sep 18 17:42:24 :) Sep 18 17:42:45 since my provider does not use any auth Sep 18 17:42:51 it's always hard to test PAP and CHAP Sep 18 17:43:48 i don't think mine is using any either Sep 18 17:43:57 what can i try in that case? Sep 18 17:47:37 TAsn: you could try setting "refuse-chap" if you're sure your provider doesn't need that. otherwise, you might need to put a dummy entry in chap-secrets. Sep 18 17:48:10 thanks Sep 18 17:49:08 I seem to remember that O2 insists on doing a useless chap exchange for some reason, though I haven't tried it lately Sep 18 17:50:20 if i'm getting an sdl_mixer.so error when loading duke3d, and the package is installed, it's probably not linked correctly, right? Sep 18 17:51:12 you mean sdl_mixer.so is installed but duke3d can't find it? Sep 18 17:51:44 that's what it seems to say pb_ Sep 18 17:51:51 lemme get the error :) Sep 18 17:53:00 pb_, where do i set refuse chap+? Sep 18 17:53:11 tasn: in your ppp options file Sep 18 17:53:21 either /etc/ppp/options, or whatever peer file you are using, or on the pppd commandline Sep 18 17:53:24 cool. Sep 18 17:53:44 and this one doesn't get overwritten by FSO? Sep 18 17:54:18 hm, good question. dunno, you'd have to check with mickey. Sep 18 17:54:24 or just try it and see :-} Sep 18 17:54:39 :) Sep 18 17:54:41 check pdp.py, there you'll see which files get overidden Sep 18 17:54:42 thanks Sep 18 17:54:50 thanks Sep 18 17:55:10 additional ppp options you'll find best to add in the modem.py file Sep 18 17:57:51 ./duke3d: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sep 18 17:57:54 that's the one Sep 18 17:58:50 tkep: and do you have libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 in /usr/lib? Sep 18 17:59:26 tkep, did you read http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/readme-openmoko.txt? Sep 18 17:59:48 playya, yup Sep 18 17:59:59 pb_, yes, it's there Sep 18 18:01:20 I've upgraded my FSO based on a self built tree (no fso-unstable to dl) and now I get a CRC error and X won't start, anyone had this happen? know how to recover? Sep 18 18:01:21 tkep: try running ldconfig, see if that helps Sep 18 18:04:55 hi. I installed qtopia on a MicroSD yesterday, but when trying to ssh it, I get "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" Sep 18 18:05:03 tkep: if that doesn't help, you might need to use strace to find out what it's up to. try: strace -f ./duke3d 2>&1 | grep SDL_mixer Sep 18 18:05:23 bove, reasonable enough Sep 18 18:05:24 guess it's because it has another key than my 2008.8, but how should I fix this? Sep 18 18:05:28 same ip, 2 systems Sep 18 18:07:15 bove: if you're confident that your phone hasn't, in fact, been hacked, just remove the old entry from your known_hosts file. Sep 18 18:07:38 or copy the host key across so that both installations use the same one Sep 18 18:09:07 where is the host key stored? Sep 18 18:09:14 /etc/dropbear Sep 18 18:09:15 iirc Sep 18 18:09:18 thanks Sep 18 18:15:28 how do i kill apps in the top list (in 2008.08) ? Sep 18 18:16:47 haha Sep 18 18:17:09 or how do i generally kill apps in the 2008.08 X Sep 18 18:19:00 try opening the dropdown list of apps from top of the screen and using "close' or whatever it's called (bottom of the list) Sep 18 18:19:26 will close current app, not selected app I think Sep 18 18:22:45 pb_, thanks, i'm going to try your suggestions Sep 18 18:24:17 pb_, writev(2, [{"./duke3d", 8}, {": ", 2}, {"error while loading shared libra"..., 36}, {": ", 2}, {"libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0", 21}, {": ", 2}, {"cannot open shared object file", 30}, {": ", 2}, {"No such file or directory", 25}, {"\n", 1}], 10./duke3d: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sep 18 18:39:07 hello, where do i ask for how many MB is required for debian on the freerunner Sep 18 18:39:28 here probably, or try the wiki Sep 18 18:39:55 because i've only a 512MB card and i don't think the NFS for /var/cache/apt will be enough Sep 18 18:40:12 (the 4gb has corruption issues on the freerunner) Sep 18 18:40:47 im not sure, i think you can fit it in that Sep 18 18:41:05 a desktop deb min install takes just oer 100megs Sep 18 18:44:26 anny ideas on my error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sep 18 18:44:32 any* Sep 18 18:44:42 tkep: did you try ldconfig and strace? Sep 18 18:46:14 pb_, yeah, you hopped out when i posted the result Sep 18 18:46:15 :) Sep 18 18:46:52 doh Sep 18 18:46:56 can you post it again? Sep 18 18:47:19 almien: thx Sep 18 18:47:28 pb_, http://pastebin.com/m424ee3a3 Sep 18 18:47:36 thanks for all the help Sep 18 18:48:09 xterm don't shows my keyboard, what can i do Sep 18 18:48:11 hm. so: Sep 18 18:48:20 open("/usr/lib/libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Sep 18 18:48:25 * [Rui] waves... is the gsm firmware crashing to anyone else? Sep 18 18:48:31 it does seem to be looking for the file in the right place Sep 18 18:48:36 jones, ok i'll try to resolve the 4GB problem Sep 18 18:48:41 are you sure it exists there with exactly that filename? Sep 18 18:48:42 <[Rui]> I'm flashing with Om2008.8-update of today Sep 18 18:48:48 <[Rui]> hoping it doesn't crash anymore :( Sep 18 18:49:32 checking now Sep 18 18:49:49 i found 8-update to be less well then 8 Sep 18 18:50:02 but i didnt try to install any packages yet. Sep 18 18:50:26 still had trouble getting the GPS to work (without an sd card in the slot) and it didnt connect to by wifi either Sep 18 18:51:30 hey anyone know the best place to sell my free runner? I can no long deal with rogers in canada Sep 18 18:52:49 pb_, reinstall with -force-overwrite worked :) Sep 18 18:52:59 heh Sep 18 18:53:01 i agree, rogers sucks Sep 18 18:53:02 very good :-) Sep 18 18:53:06 thanks for the help Sep 18 18:53:16 i always have something stupid like that happening Sep 18 18:53:29 anyone interested in a phone? good deal? Sep 18 18:53:43 Railer, what phone? Sep 18 18:54:02 and you'd think me troubleshooting clusters and lvs all day, i'd be smart enough to figure this out Sep 18 18:54:11 free runner Sep 18 18:54:15 of course, it now appears that the game is hanging Sep 18 18:54:26 where you based? Sep 18 18:54:33 Raiiler Sep 18 18:54:39 I'm in Alberta Canada Sep 18 18:54:44 Railer, how much? Sep 18 18:54:52 300? Sep 18 18:54:56 uk is a bit far for shipping Sep 18 18:55:12 canadian Sep 18 18:55:27 someone gimme a quick USD conversion? Sep 18 18:55:38 * tkep too lazy to fire up google Sep 18 18:56:30 250 us Sep 18 18:57:03 railer, i can likely find a buyer Sep 18 18:57:08 gimme a second Sep 18 18:57:12 hell id pay that Sep 18 18:57:20 * tkep works at red hat and there are a lot of people who want one Sep 18 18:57:54 i should trade you for $400 in red hat swag :) Sep 18 18:58:23 how much can you steal from the office Sep 18 18:59:28 <[Rui]> so, no gsm firmware crash for anyone alive? Sep 18 19:01:02 Railer, hahaha--quite a bit i'm sure :) i have like 10 shirts in my closet and i've only been here since january Sep 18 19:01:27 thats just awesome Sep 18 19:02:14 all i have is a collection of marker pens from my work Sep 18 19:02:52 has anyone tried dvb-t usb adapters with openmoko? Sep 18 19:04:24 <[Rui]> because after crashing, no more talky-talky on dear ol' moky ;) Sep 18 19:04:49 Railer, i'm asking around right now Sep 18 19:05:19 i have managed to ssh to my FR by changing it to other subnet. but i have very hard time making a bridge... Sep 18 19:05:37 no rush I'll check back later Sep 18 19:06:01 i cannot setup so that FR could see outside world.. Sep 18 19:06:18 I want some rh swag too now part of the deal Sep 18 19:07:07 Railer! Sep 18 19:07:15 dude! Sep 18 19:07:16 :D Sep 18 19:08:09 I'm giving up my phone man, just can't handle rogers any more Sep 18 19:08:09 Railer, haha--if i can find someone to buy it here at RH, i promise some kind of swag Sep 18 19:08:31 there are some hits on our IRC channel right now Sep 18 19:08:36 so we'll see where they go Sep 18 19:09:00 oh Sep 18 19:09:10 Railer, what exactly are you giving up? Sep 18 19:09:10 I need swag, I teach networking and programming at a local college, Red Het swag gives me street cred! Sep 18 19:09:16 a cellphone or a freerunner? Sep 18 19:09:19 or your pride? Sep 18 19:09:28 my free runner Sep 18 19:09:33 :O Sep 18 19:09:35 oh noes! Sep 18 19:09:51 Railer, will you have another freerunner? Sep 18 19:09:57 or are you dropping it completely? Sep 18 19:09:57 nope Sep 18 19:09:58 :( Sep 18 19:10:05 indeed oh noes Sep 18 19:10:14 switched to a aspire one and skype Sep 18 19:10:17 <[Rui]> Railer: U weak! Sep 18 19:11:16 with rogers i use their 100$ card that's good for one year Sep 18 19:11:51 i speak so little on the phone that it's enough for me Sep 18 19:11:57 I know it sucks, but 70-80 a month on phone charges, and piss poor service cancelled rogers and had "words" with the management Sep 18 19:12:37 :\ Sep 18 19:12:42 poor railer Sep 18 19:12:48 I'll try again in a year, when the os settles out and more competition for rogers Sep 18 19:13:07 i end up with 8$/month for the rare occasions i use the phone Sep 18 19:13:37 uhsf: Is there not any monthly charge for owning the number? Sep 18 19:13:47 not at all Sep 18 19:14:13 Canada 10 years ago best phone structure in the world now with this monoploy terrible service and more 3rd would contries have better systems Sep 18 19:14:22 initial 25$ activation of the phone and that's it Sep 18 19:14:28 Nice. If it weren't for my need (well, desire) for internet, I might switch to a plan like that. Sep 18 19:14:49 wurp! Sep 18 19:14:53 Dave! Sep 18 19:20:21 uhsf: have you considere Petro-Canada wireless phone? Sep 18 19:20:40 uhsf: they have 20$ cards that last for 6 months Sep 18 19:21:09 uhsf: and calls are 20c a minute which if I'm not mistaken is less than Rogers Sep 18 19:22:58 Hi, I tried importing addressbook. Now I have a large black window "do you want to add them to your addressbook" and no buttons, nothing if I press "y", nothing. (2008.8 updated) Sep 18 19:26:25 <[Rui]> oh noes.... I was just about to import my two hundred something contacts... Sep 18 19:26:39 <[Rui]> I'll be able to report if today's image can import it or not RSN :) Sep 18 19:27:00 lpotter: That reminds me... my contact list in Qtopia 4.3.2 on gta01 also only lists up partway through the 'L's, then no more. Sep 18 19:27:06 <[Rui]> well, an OK showed up, I pressed it, and there it goes importing... Sep 18 19:27:16 wurp2|working: thats odd Sep 18 19:27:23 <[Rui]> GSM firmware hasn't crashed *yet* wich is a good sign already Sep 18 19:27:45 neig, if it ain't crashing, it's no freerunner to me Sep 18 19:27:53 Rui: oh, I try an upgrade then Sep 18 19:28:40 lpotter: Did you see my earlier comments about charging on Qtopia? Sep 18 19:29:03 I can submit bug reports if you prefer, and if you point me to the URL :-) Sep 18 19:30:05 wurp2|working: yes. they have been fixed, but my changes have not been getting integrated to the snapshots Sep 18 19:30:18 lpotter, can you give me a date when 4.4 is coming? Sep 18 19:30:31 soon. :) Sep 18 19:30:40 but what is soon? 2 weeks? Sep 18 19:30:41 few weeks Sep 18 19:30:55 unless it doesnt build :) Sep 18 19:31:03 okay Sep 18 19:31:12 <[Rui]> LionKMP: it was crashing on yours too? Sep 18 19:31:21 lpotter: I will not bother you a few weeks :p Sep 18 19:31:42 Rui: no, I got a big black screen with question "do you wanna import" an no ways to answer. Sep 18 19:31:52 there are many many changes coming up... Sep 18 19:31:56 <[Rui]> now I go help my wife making dinner before Neo is sent through the window :D Sep 18 19:32:00 <[Rui]> lindi-: ah ok... Sep 18 19:32:10 :) Sep 18 19:32:31 lpotter: can you update the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#What_to_expect_in_the_next_release_.28Qtopia_4.4.29.3F list? Sep 18 19:33:01 I have image from 09.11. and opkg is installing tons of updates, it seems to update everything. Sep 18 19:33:04 wurp2|working: actually, the only thing qtyopia does for fast charge is provide a script to enable it. the system is most likely changing it back Sep 18 19:33:22 wurp2|working: the headphones thing has been fixed Sep 18 19:35:12 dolf1074: add GPS api. usb net/storage change migth be if I can figure out why the system starts to crawl Sep 18 19:35:53 dolf1074: rotation is not automagic on neo, since there is no slide keyboard or such Sep 18 19:36:36 <|FiLiP|> Got a Trolltech email earlier today announcing a new version being available, but was for Qt ,not qtopia :-( Sep 18 19:36:50 lpotter: do you mean that rotation will not be default on? Sep 18 19:37:32 no, I mean that opening the keyboard (like on n810) wil lnot automatically rotate the display. but you can rotate it from the settings apps Sep 18 19:38:07 and it doesn't rotate on holding your freerunner the other way? Sep 18 19:38:27 (so reading the accelerometers) Sep 18 19:39:00 <[Rui]> after a call, still no gsm crash, promising :) Sep 18 19:39:29 dolf1074: there are tools which implement that Sep 18 19:39:53 dolf1074: not yet, as there is no motion sensor api in qtopia yet Sep 18 19:39:53 but for me it did not work very well.. Sep 18 19:40:02 bipak: also on qtopia? I didn't know gestures could be run on qtopia Sep 18 19:40:09 oh you are talking about qtopia.. sorry Sep 18 19:40:39 no, i don't think that qtopia knows the xrandr command *g* Sep 18 19:41:07 qtopia doesnt need xrandr Sep 18 19:41:24 "Neo FreeRunner uses Evolution data server (eds) to save contacts. " -> is this true for 2008.8 too? Sep 18 19:42:06 lpotter: what do you mean by 'usb net/storage' Sep 18 19:42:19 switching between them Sep 18 19:42:33 <|FiLiP|> lpotter: you said qtopia can rotate from settings app; is it instantaneous, or does it take several seconds ? in other words, is it possible to have a small external app read accelerometers and update that setting when turning the device ? Sep 18 19:43:14 oh ya, it is very possible. you can rotate using the rotationmanager service Sep 18 19:43:18 |FiLiP|, yes, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Rotate Sep 18 19:44:05 <|FiLiP|> max_posedon: that app is not for qtopia, is it ? Sep 18 19:44:39 lpotter: So http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#What_to_expect_in_the_next_release_.28Qtopia_4.4.29.3F is updated well? Sep 18 19:44:48 I tested under 2008.8, but I it is doesn't have UI at all, so it should work under qtopia Sep 18 19:45:28 dolf1074: yes Sep 18 19:47:11 lpotter: I don't understand the fastcharge thing, because I used to use my script, which just looks for a slow charge and then asks the user if they want to switch to fast charge Sep 18 19:47:22 lpotter: And it stayed on fast charge all night after setting it once Sep 18 19:48:11 The script doesn't reset back to fast charge if it gets switched to slow charge unless the user OKs it again. Sep 18 19:50:53 dont know what to tell you. you can look at the scripts in Qtopia/bin/ it doesnt do anything but set it. Sep 18 19:51:53 hmm.. maybe I have the wrong path for gta01 Sep 18 19:52:32 wurp2|working: you have a gta01 correct? Sep 18 19:53:35 can someone help with this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts#Mass_Delete Sep 18 19:53:58 questions: what sqllite client is available? how to shut down qtopia? Sep 18 19:54:17 lpotter: yes Sep 18 19:55:00 and why does vi say "u" not implemented? Can I have a full VI somehow? Sep 18 19:59:02 lpotter: ping!!! Sep 18 19:59:08 mooooOSSSSSSSE! Sep 18 20:00:06 <[Rui]> rotate seems to be awfully sensitive :) Sep 18 20:00:26 <[Rui]> I'm trying to read my Peanuts collection and it's really hard, tilting all the time Sep 18 20:01:48 LionKMP: install debian :-) Sep 18 20:01:54 .... Sep 18 20:01:58 :) Sep 18 20:02:09 * LionKMP sad Sep 18 20:02:41 <[Rui]> LionKMP: of course you can Sep 18 20:02:45 <[Rui]> LionKMP: opkg install vim Sep 18 20:03:09 installing, oh, THANK YOU! :) Sep 18 20:03:48 Chocky: chooooooooocky Sep 18 20:03:53 don't you know the answer to the 2 questions above maybe? (I solved addressbook, DISPLAY=:0 was missing, but none of the contacts have name and phone #) Sep 18 20:04:03 I am not an OS Sep 18 20:04:21 so I am trying the "mass delete" guide now, duno where is an sqlite client and how to stop qtopia. There are not much details on that help page. Sep 18 20:04:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/VCard_import#Mass_Delete Sep 18 20:11:35 <[Rui]> LionKMP: I don't do "mass delete" I flash regularly ;) Sep 18 20:11:38 lpotter: Hey, now qtopia is honoring my power management settings Sep 18 20:12:09 Rui :) I don't want to. I have FR since 2 months now and still not using it for anything :-p Sep 18 20:13:15 I didn't do anything... it's been sitting connected to my desktop the whole time. I did receive a phone call on it between the last time I saw the screen was staying on and when I saw that it's shutting down the screen now. Sep 18 20:13:23 why dont u just reflash it? Sep 18 20:13:41 lion Sep 18 20:14:11 quit beating yo head on the wall too Sep 18 20:15:00 slaxxin: hehe yes many guys reinstall desktop too when some minor things go wrong. Sep 18 20:15:14 install FDOM or something an use the sdcard for pics an map storage Sep 18 20:15:17 having 92 contacts with no name and no phone # is not a reason. Sep 18 20:15:33 :) Sep 18 20:15:47 2 months? Sep 18 20:16:33 2 months and 5 resinstalls already I think. :) Sep 18 20:16:52 only 5?? Sep 18 20:16:59 :D Sep 18 20:17:01 LionKMP: Your statement is true, in the case of a relatively stable release. In the case of anything else, there are no such guarantees. It has long been the norm, even in commercial software, that alpha or even beta quality software is not upgradable, and will probably require a total re-install. Sep 18 20:17:06 just 5 ? i did like 30 times Sep 18 20:17:08 LionKMP: I did 5 reinstalls in my first week or two :-) Sep 18 20:17:18 meh, 2007.2, unlimited contacts with names and phone# Sep 18 20:17:26 I reflash every few days; I *never* opkg upgrade; it's a recipe for disaster. Sep 18 20:17:36 mwester: Thank you! Sep 18 20:17:47 mwester: indeed , its really unstable Sep 18 20:17:57 I keep talking about flashing in here and hearing people ask me why the hell I'm flashing instead of upgrading Sep 18 20:18:08 I do upgrading Sep 18 20:18:11 it's working fine Sep 18 20:18:14 I was beginning to think I should try it Sep 18 20:18:16 i've never tried upgrading ... flashing keeps me sane Sep 18 20:18:30 I think it's Microsoft. They've taught us all that "updates" are to be done religiously, like washing your hands before each meal. Sep 18 20:18:32 mwester: how can you do any development that way? Sep 18 20:18:36 see ya around people Sep 18 20:18:44 lindi-: How can you do development any OTHER way? Sep 18 20:18:50 <[Rui]> LionKMP: your problem, it's my daily phone Sep 18 20:18:51 Although... if you keep your data separate (anticipating the need for a reflash), it should be fine to upgrade Sep 18 20:18:54 <[Rui]> :) Sep 18 20:18:57 Then flash only if the upgrade fubars you Sep 18 20:19:51 One of my pet peeves is that the bug-tracker is useless in many ways, because NOBODY knows what configuration the system with the failure was in. What version of what packages did it have that invoked the bug? You'll never ever know, because it depends on when and what order they did opkg updates, and what they started out with. Sep 18 20:20:05 mwester: if i hit a bug i recompile the package in question with debug symbols Sep 18 20:20:08 You cannot do development, nor troubleshooting, while people are updating. Sep 18 20:20:33 As do I. And copy the binaries. I don't put them in the feeds, nor opkg install from the feeds. Sep 18 20:21:15 mwester: of course in bug reports you mention version numbers Sep 18 20:21:24 And all of this is complicated by the fact that not even Openmoko's build machines have configurations that are locked down, so even the package version for any non-trivial package, is not properly tracked. Sep 18 20:21:59 This is starting to sound like my "repeatable nightly build" bitch Sep 18 20:22:12 <[Rui]> mwester: well, the "hugely unprepared for" infrastructure didn't help :) Sep 18 20:22:22 lindi-: And even if the version number *was* correct, tell me how you would go about installing busybox version X.y.z_git32985798789257932798237593223579243598257983475983975 Sep 18 20:22:31 when that isn't even in the feeds anymore! Sep 18 20:22:52 mwester: you probably already guessd i use debian :) Sep 18 20:22:56 mwester: Can't you pull the git version into a local repo? Sep 18 20:23:00 And then, tell me if my current busybox is newer or older: busybox version X.y.z_git894375983479832759834987 Sep 18 20:23:20 Yes, if I have access to the git repos, I can sort it all out. Sep 18 20:23:23 mwester: "older" and "newer" begin to lose meaning in git... Sep 18 20:23:41 And end up spending MORE time doing configuration/version management than I spend on identifying and fixing the bug. Sep 18 20:24:05 My point is that Om (and all distros) should be releasing snapshots, without updates. Rather like Qtopia does. Sep 18 20:24:10 So is kennyz playing D&D, or does he not want to be disturbed? Sep 18 20:24:11 Or both? Sep 18 20:24:20 FDOM always gives a kernel panic here, anybody else has this error? Sep 18 20:24:22 That way developers spend time FIXING instead of playing git. Sep 18 20:24:30 :D Sep 18 20:24:34 :) Sep 18 20:25:53 wurp2|working: btw, you are correct -- with git the concepts of linear versioning are very blurry, so it then becomes the responsibility of someone else to impose the idea of "newness" on the deliverable. Which is why the idea of using a git hash in a package version is conceptually flawed. Sep 18 20:26:02 <[Rui]> mwester: eek I hate that PoV Sep 18 20:26:15 <[Rui]> mwester: the problem is merely that the infrastructure wasn't ready Sep 18 20:26:20 Yep. Sep 18 20:26:51 They've only had two years to get the infrastructure ready, and they've only had the finest example of how to do it right with OE waiting in the wings to assist. Sep 18 20:29:22 mwester: But for me (as user), it is nicer to have updates. Than watch a year before there are any changes (like the gap between om2007.2 and om2008.8) Sep 18 20:30:07 dolf1074: there's a middle ground. Again I'll point to Qtopia as an example: snapshots every time a significant feature or bugfix is available. Sep 18 20:30:55 It's even more practical when you consider that it's really not very hard to write a script that could back up all the private data, and restore it after a new image is flashed. Sep 18 20:31:06 people please look at layout of my network, and please tell me why my FR cannot ping to router 62.80.241.40 (says "Network is unreachable") http://raigedas.info/temp/net.png Sep 18 20:36:09 mwester: or, indeed, put your data in a different partition which doesn't get reflashed. Sep 18 20:36:36 :) Now that would make even more sense. Especially on the FR which has so much flash to begin with! Sep 18 20:39:54 hey there Sep 18 20:40:15 i just saw that there are gyros on the fr Sep 18 20:40:24 are there also accelerometers? Sep 18 20:40:33 Those ARE accelerometers Sep 18 20:40:35 only accelerometers Sep 18 20:40:55 aren't accelerometers supposed to measure acceleration? Sep 18 20:41:17 TAsn: Two accelerometers can measure orientation, except around the axis going through them Sep 18 20:41:19 Yep Sep 18 20:41:44 I wish FR had a compass Sep 18 20:41:50 oh, because of gravity? i see ;] Sep 18 20:41:54 I might actually buy one, in that case Sep 18 20:41:55 wurp2|working, gps is almost as good. Sep 18 20:42:01 TAsn: Even w/o gravity Sep 18 20:42:09 how can they? Sep 18 20:42:26 i mean they have to know the up right position to know if something isn't. Sep 18 20:42:37 TAsn: acceleration on X axis, acceleration on Y axis. Sep 18 20:42:44 TAsn: Actually, you're right. There will be drift, and over more than a few seconds, you won't know absolute orientation relative to any time more than a few seconds prior Sep 18 20:43:06 TAsn: But because of gravity, they always do know orientation relative to down Sep 18 20:43:20 wurp2|working, exactly. especially since im sure they aren't that precise Sep 18 20:43:23 wurp2|working, cool ;] Sep 18 20:43:32 im looking forward to playing with them :) Sep 18 20:44:03 Hm, one of those "roll a ball" mazes could be interesting ;) Sep 18 20:44:30 nah. Sep 18 20:44:31 that exists. check out neverball Sep 18 20:44:44 iphones and n95's took all the fun out of them;] Sep 18 20:45:16 * mwester still likes the much simpler idea somebody had -- the FR should "scream" if it suddenly experiences zero-g -- and then make the sound of breaking glass when the accelerometers detect the sudden stop. Sep 18 20:45:42 hah Sep 18 20:50:06 lpotter is hiding... :-O Sep 18 20:52:10 wurp2|working: pong Sep 18 20:52:18 naa. had to talk to the wife Sep 18 20:52:26 hi ljp Sep 18 20:52:51 hey how it pb? Sep 18 20:53:56 yeah, very good. Sep 18 20:54:13 my wife is trying to persuade me that we should take a trip to new zealand for christmas. Sep 18 20:54:30 sorry, I have to ask it to you: Do you work for trolltech or for openmoko? And is your primary task to get qtopia on the freerunner? Or is it some side task of you? Sep 18 20:55:12 that was a question to lpotter ;) Sep 18 20:55:36 dolf1074: I work for Trolltech Sep 18 20:56:21 And your job is fixing qtopia for the neo? Sep 18 20:56:25 I wouldnt call qtopia on neo my primary task, but it certainly takes up a lot of my time Sep 18 20:56:58 lpotter: How many other devs working on qtopia? Or is that top secret? Sep 18 20:57:08 but things are changing. and I am now takin gon telepathy Sep 18 20:57:16 Nice of trolltech that they to that. (especially because they are a part of Nokia) Sep 18 20:57:38 wurp2|working: around 30, if you dont count QA or qt embedded Sep 18 20:58:21 * mwester implores lpotter to share his 4.3.3 patches... Sep 18 20:58:29 pb___: visit brisbane, and you can stay in my house. Sep 18 20:58:41 wow, that's more than I expected Sep 18 20:58:57 just have to put up with 2 small kids that dont like to sleep or be quiet Sep 18 20:59:07 lpotter: Is there another kind of small kid? Sep 18 20:59:22 wurp2|working: maemo has about 10 times that amount Sep 18 20:59:30 holy shit Sep 18 20:59:34 wurp2|working: yes. some kids actually sleep Sep 18 21:01:00 lpotter: Oh, mine sleep. It's just getting them started sleeping that's the trick. Sep 18 21:02:06 nothinbg that a shot of JD wont help! ;) Sep 18 21:03:28 So I can have drunken hyperactive kids running around? Sep 18 21:04:01 lpotter: heh, sounds like fun. gotta try to find some flights that we can afford first, though. Sep 18 21:04:19 good luck. Sep 18 21:04:21 seems to have gotten a lot more expensive to fly down there than it was a few years ago when I was at lca Sep 18 21:04:39 hello Sep 18 21:04:44 ya, fuel 'surcharges' Sep 18 21:05:15 still, NZ at xmas will be beautiful Sep 18 21:06:06 yeah, so I hear. my wife has some friends from the UK who moved down there, they keep emailing us and raving about what a great place it is. Sep 18 21:06:09 I tested FDOM for a while... It looks like touch screen synchronization in landscape mode works good. Anybody knows what do I have to do to make it work in 2007.2? Copy /etc/pointercal? update Xglamo? Sep 18 21:07:20 it's a shame I can't get more time off work, it would be nice to go there for a month or two. Sep 18 21:08:23 anyway, bedtime for me now Sep 18 21:08:31 good night Sep 18 21:11:23 need to work for Nokia Sep 18 21:11:40 i have more time off than I want Sep 18 21:12:12 how much time off do you get? Sep 18 21:15:04 lots Sep 18 21:15:27 25 days a year I believe. Sep 18 21:16:01 wow Sep 18 21:16:10 might be 20 though Sep 18 21:16:25 plus I get 'long service leave' Sep 18 21:16:38 what is that? Sep 18 21:16:50 working for trolltech 5 years Sep 18 21:17:06 that 4 more weeks off Sep 18 21:19:17 that's a pretty good deal Sep 18 21:19:25 yep Sep 18 21:24:25 So where are the text messages stored in 2007? Sep 18 21:24:39 Someone said something about just copying a particular directory? Sep 18 21:25:50 Dave: I think in an evolution db Sep 18 21:30:15 but where is it located Sep 18 21:30:30 it seems the contacts are located in one under the ~/.evolution dir Sep 18 21:30:33 but not the sms Sep 18 21:35:44 Dave: Sorry, dunno :-( Sep 18 21:35:59 Is lsof installed in 2007.2? Sep 18 21:39:27 :| Sep 18 21:39:34 yesyes Sep 18 21:39:43 * mwester has always found his incoming SMSs in ~/.evolution Sep 18 21:40:04 all I have is addressbook calender memo and tasks Sep 18 21:41:40 hmm, it would be neat to have conduit target support for openmoko Sep 18 21:42:03 (conduit is a sync tool for varius things like contacts, files, notes) Sep 18 22:10:35 Hello all! Sep 18 22:10:51 hello tessier_! Sep 18 22:11:02 How's the openmoko software doing? Stabilized yet? I bought a freerunner a couple months ago but it's not really usable yet. Sep 18 22:11:21 tessier_: qtopia is quite stable Sep 18 22:11:41 edistar: And usable? As a phone and text messaging etc? How does the web browser work/ Sep 18 22:11:44 I need to flash mine I guess. Sep 18 22:12:18 tessier_: no webserver, but the rest is very usable Sep 18 22:13:00 is calling working Sep 18 22:13:12 s/webserver/browser Sep 18 22:13:24 jones: yes Sep 18 22:13:47 seriously? Sep 18 22:13:59 quite, yes Sep 18 22:14:06 damn i wwas rechecking the wiki forgot to look that up Sep 18 22:14:10 edistar: No web browser? How about wifi/gps? Sep 18 22:14:23 is that with 2008.8 Sep 18 22:14:27 tessier_: nothing of that sort either I think Sep 18 22:14:31 jones: no, qtopia Sep 18 22:14:40 tessier_: just basic phone stuff that is working Sep 18 22:14:53 thats really what i want Sep 18 22:15:44 i want a stable stack to work on, when i was reading things about no call quality but encrypted email working i did wonder about goals Sep 18 22:15:48 and battery life ? Sep 18 22:15:59 georgy_28_: about 2-3 days with suspend Sep 18 22:16:19 im gonna have to order on tuesday then Sep 18 22:16:29 gotta love student loan day Sep 18 22:16:39 n8 everyone Sep 18 22:44:43 moko moko moko Sep 18 22:44:59 moko my ass Sep 18 22:47:03 hey Sep 18 22:47:19 does anyone here know the encoding that's used on sms in languages other than english? Sep 18 22:48:44 someone mentioned neverball before, is that something we have on fr yet ? Sep 18 22:49:28 TAsn: http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/ Sep 18 22:56:19 Wonka ;p Sep 18 22:56:30 So do either of you recollect where the sms messages are stored on the phone? Sep 18 22:56:52 (om) Sep 18 23:00:54 Dave, nope. Sep 18 23:01:01 Wonka, thanks btw. Sep 18 23:01:12 :[ Sep 18 23:01:16 np Sep 18 23:01:23 Wonka wonka? Sep 18 23:02:21 hah. my "powerbutton-daemon" works. Sep 18 23:02:41 powerbutton press and release in less than 3s starts gpe-taskmanager Sep 18 23:02:53 aux button toggles matchbox-keyboard Sep 18 23:03:04 matchbox-desktop runs anyway Sep 18 23:03:26 What is this on? 2008? Sep 18 23:03:30 debian Sep 18 23:03:34 haha Sep 18 23:03:40 nice? Sep 18 23:03:44 I guess it's better than nothing ;) Sep 18 23:04:06 Wonka, do you know a bit of python? Sep 18 23:04:09 i got a working gps device :) Sep 18 23:04:11 hahaha Sep 18 23:04:16 * Dave hides Sep 18 23:04:18 TAsn: "a bit" is quite correct Sep 18 23:04:26 damn ;\ Sep 18 23:04:35 Dave: damn gemalto 3g sim problem... Sep 18 23:04:52 im trying to figure out how to get single bytes out of a string. Sep 18 23:05:06 Hmm? Sep 18 23:05:12 heh Sep 18 23:07:01 TAsn, I successfuly read russians sms, with latest FDOM image. Sep 18 23:07:20 max_posedon, i can read hebrew sms with gtk Sep 18 23:07:37 though im trying to write a python script and the fact that sms are in ucs Sep 18 23:07:38 2 Sep 18 23:07:42 does not make it easy ;] Sep 18 23:09:00 hm, qtopia messages works well in FDOM...., pure that in latest qtopia image it doesn't. Sep 18 23:09:53 heh Sep 18 23:19:03 sms works fine in qtopia for me. Sep 18 23:19:19 Is there a way to kill zhone Sep 18 23:19:39 from zhone itself? Sep 18 23:20:08 not that i know of Sep 18 23:20:11 max_posedon: what doesn't work in qtopia? Sep 18 23:20:18 though you can just go the illume and close it from there. Sep 18 23:21:29 That's neat. When running zhone as an App on top of gpe (don't ask) if you exit zhone, it shuts off the handheld. Sep 18 23:23:27 TAsn: Illume? What image is that? Sep 18 23:23:35 fso Sep 18 23:23:45 * hipitihop runs off to get some work done. Has been wrestling with virus/trojans for 4 days. waves to the troop Sep 18 23:23:46 bricode, what image are you using? Sep 18 23:23:55 TAsn: FSO on top of Debian. Sep 18 23:24:06 oh ;) Sep 18 23:24:13 xkill? ;] Sep 18 23:24:19 hmm Sep 18 23:24:31 TAsn: I was hoping to kill it using the GUI. Sep 18 23:24:32 how can i figure how much power my usb ports can provide Sep 18 23:24:48 and how can i set it up, so i can start my fr without a battery Sep 18 23:24:55 (from the laptop) Sep 18 23:25:07 TAsn: That way you can run zhone as an app with a different window manager. Sep 18 23:25:25 i c. Sep 18 23:31:20 bricode: c (matchbox) Sep 18 23:32:39 Sascha: Slick. Thanks. Sep 18 23:34:46 bricode, do you use other than english langs for sms? Sep 18 23:35:08 TAsn: At the moment, no. Sep 18 23:35:24 bricode: the location of the config file is /etc/matchbox/kbdconfig ;) Sep 18 23:35:31 i c, thanks. Sep 18 23:38:12 * bricode curses OSX and the USB<->FR drivers. Sep 18 23:47:39 wow i really don't get what's happening with this stupid unicode and python ;\ Sep 18 23:55:51 hrm Sep 18 23:55:55 stupid evolution Sep 18 23:59:57 * mwester bugs lpotter again for the sms patch in 4.3.3 Sep 19 00:01:33 My kingdom! My kingdom for the Qtopia 4.3.3 source! Sep 19 00:03:39 :D Sep 19 00:03:44 haha Sep 19 00:03:48 all my kingdom Sep 19 00:03:56 * Dave smiles at mwester Sep 19 00:07:21 * raster wobbles Sep 19 00:09:10 * lpotter fobbles Sep 19 00:16:45 * ceda hears his son snore Sep 19 00:37:03 says theres 243 850 freerunners up for grabs Sep 19 00:37:54 freerunners for sale Sep 19 00:37:57 freerunners for sale Sep 19 00:38:05 where? Sep 19 00:38:09 mwester Sep 19 00:38:17 .com store Sep 19 00:38:27 slaxxin.com? Sep 19 00:38:38 openmoko.com Sep 19 00:38:40 lol Sep 19 00:38:50 * mwester already has an 850MHz Freerunner. Sep 19 00:39:15 :) Sep 19 00:39:19 mwester mwester Sep 19 00:39:27 Bring me your code Sep 19 00:39:32 he no need 1 Sep 19 00:39:48 What me doesn't have is lpotter's Qtopia 4.3.3 patches. :( Sep 19 00:41:33 :[ Sep 19 00:41:51 * Dave slaps lpotter around a bit with a large repository Sep 19 00:43:36 Hello. How to change the keyboard in 2008.08? I've tried to make a geasture over keyboard up-down but nothing happend. Sep 19 00:53:49 applt some pressure while sliding yo finger Sep 19 00:55:26 slaxxin: If I do it too slow it shows zoom. Is faster preassure needed? Sep 19 00:55:53 yes Sep 19 00:56:25 might wanna install illum config Sep 19 00:56:56 u hae FDOM? Sep 19 00:57:57 u have usb networking going yet? Sep 19 00:58:12 Not at the moment Sep 19 00:58:21 but I;ll set up it in a minute Sep 19 00:58:39 fdom no setup is nedded Sep 19 00:59:41 Is it worth to install fdom instead of asu? Sep 19 01:02:01 * rwhitby wonders how one updates fdom once it's installed, since all the mods to it are not in package feeds ... Sep 19 01:10:11 asu prolly is better choice Sep 19 01:13:52 Ok. I will play tomorrow. Eighter asu or check why wifi on 2007.02 do not work (it worked on previous model which had broken and has been replaced by seller) Sep 19 01:13:56 * mwester wonders if fdom publishes the source to their mods? Sep 19 01:28:37 mwester: I wonder what trojans could be easily put in there too ;-) Sep 19 01:29:05 Hmm... has that ever happened in opensource projects? Sep 19 01:29:22 * mwester vaguely remembers something about openoffice? Sep 19 01:39:52 Ok, I give up - what's the trick here? How do you enter a WAP key -- or any string of random characters -- with the 2008.8 on-screen keyboard? What a horrible, horrible design that is. I'm trying to imagine giving that to someone who doesn't like puzzles... Sep 19 01:41:00 mwester: you must hold your figner down for 2 seconds and drag Sep 19 01:41:04 to enter a sepcific letter Sep 19 01:41:27 and remember to flip key layouts all the time alpha <-> num Sep 19 01:41:38 raster: you need to include a popup hint. Triggered by the accelerometers detecting it being thrown across the room. Sep 19 01:43:19 ShellEvil: dont lok at me Sep 19 01:43:29 i disowned anythign to do with 2008.08's keyboard stuff Sep 19 01:43:45 in fact most of the ui "decisions" Sep 19 01:43:56 like pretty much no config possibilities Sep 19 01:44:02 (or easily accessible ones) Sep 19 01:44:15 :/ Sep 19 01:44:34 That's not a bad thing. Sep 19 01:44:42 _for a release quality phone software stack_ Sep 19 01:44:44 * johngay lookin at raster Sep 19 01:44:59 That you want to actually give to users, and be able to support them. Sep 19 01:45:12 But We're some way from that yet. Sep 19 01:46:28 Holding it down seems to put it in some sort of "assembly" area -- it randomly adds the character to the password string - or not. So with long WAP key, with multiple cases, mixed letters and characters, obscured by asterisks, it's pretty dubious that I'm going to get this right. Sep 19 01:46:56 :) Sep 19 01:47:06 * raster points to keyboard alternatives... that work Sep 19 01:47:12 * mwester gets his pitchfork and ties straw to a stick, dips it in tar, lights it, and heads for .tw Sep 19 01:47:22 * raster also points to other images that... are not 2008.08 Sep 19 01:47:57 * mwester is happy -- well almost, ljp owes us some patches!!!!, anyway is happy with Qtopia on his GTA01. Sep 19 01:52:25 I spent almost a week waiting for Om to fix the stable branch so I could build 2008.8 -- I felt obligated to flash it and try it, at least, after all that trouble. Sep 19 01:52:34 I think that's enough, now :) Sep 19 01:54:33 5 seconds to bring up the dialer... Sep 19 02:32:23 re Sep 19 02:51:47 ehlo Sep 19 02:55:09 tkep here? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 19 02:59:57 2008