**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 27 02:59:57 2008 Sep 27 04:16:59 dude duke3d is awesome! Sep 27 04:17:06 it crashed pretty quickly Sep 27 04:49:33 tat makes it awesome? Sep 27 05:04:07 i have evil thoughts of finding a way to attach my rfid reader to the phone and then go around and read people's passports Sep 27 05:06:19 I'm going to bet on that being ultimately unsatisfying :) Sep 27 05:06:53 "Hi.. wait, you aren't carrying a passport? You suck." "What? You are, but it's in your backpack and it has to be no more than two inches away from me for me to read it? You suck too!" Sep 27 05:06:57 Anyone know whats happening with FDOM? It contains an updated rootfs with no kernel release.. Sep 27 05:07:04 no changenotes ;) Sep 27 05:07:12 actually no, because it also could read other types of rfid tags... and as they gain in prevelance... Sep 27 05:18:32 Answered: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/031761.html Sep 27 05:30:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r55c9246002fc 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: use the persist module for storing aiding data Sep 27 05:30:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6d461349a3a9 10/ (etc/freesmartphone/persist/README setup.py): conf: add readme file for the persist directory and ship it Sep 27 06:43:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5736992b5130 10/ (ChangeLog conf/example/frameworkd.conf framework/config.py): support configurable global debug log destination Sep 27 06:56:55 well, it took me 4 cds and a lot of aggrevation to discover that i can't burn in atapi mode without causing errors on the resulting disc Sep 27 06:58:06 :/ Sep 27 06:58:11 Which program? Sep 27 06:59:07 cdrecord Sep 27 06:59:16 oh Sep 27 06:59:18 fun Sep 27 07:09:40 I'm a little confused, imagine I drained my battery and nix won't boot.. Sep 27 07:09:49 how do I chanrge the FR? plug it in and leave it.. Sep 27 07:10:03 or boot it into the bootloader with flashing red light Sep 27 07:12:16 MrShleee: if you can boot the bootloader then the battery isn't really drained is it? Sep 27 07:12:44 MrShleee: anyway, keeping the FR plugged in does charge the battery but at a very low pace Sep 27 08:47:12 hi. anyon here using Sandisk E12M cards? Sep 27 08:50:19 I have a sandisk microSD, I have no idea whether it's E12M Sep 27 08:53:30 but it works fine? Sep 27 08:53:38 Yes. Sep 27 09:36:50 anyone know if RB433 works good with OpenWRT yet? Sep 27 09:43:38 * Shlee wishes he knew how to backup sms messages... the sqlite files don't seem to contain the whole message. Sep 27 09:43:45 :( Sep 27 09:45:31 Does anyone know how sms are handled by the qtmail Application? Sep 27 09:45:33 Shlee: Incoming or outgoing? The incoming should be available on your sim card, too. You could read them from there. A script to shutdown qtopia stuff, connect to the modem and send the appropriate commands. Sep 27 09:46:04 incoming and outgoing seem to be stored on the flash too Sep 27 09:46:36 ./home/root/Application/qtmail/qtopia_db.sqlite seems to store most of them Sep 27 09:46:45 I assume the rest are stored on the sim Sep 27 09:46:58 no way to export/import from one to the other Sep 27 09:47:00 nor backup Sep 27 09:47:28 If I knew where they were stored.. I'll throw up a script Sep 27 10:01:40 Hm, how to make om2008 read .Xresources? Or otherwise make xterm white-on-black? Sep 27 10:04:21 hello, what's the best way to achieve that: having zhone and the framework inside 2008.9(and so remove qtopia phone applications) Sep 27 10:04:55 it's because in FSO i miss the "lot of packages" of 2008.9 Sep 27 10:14:57 by the way MokoMakefile fails: http://pastebin.com/m1b1f94de Sep 27 10:47:09 hi, i need some help pls :) Sep 27 10:47:28 i want to make an opkg update, but i get "Could not obtain administrative lock" Sep 27 10:47:52 than i make "killall packagekitd" and i get "killall: packagekitd: no process killed" Sep 27 11:41:43 Mofi never works.. Anyone else having an issue? Sep 27 11:55:07 in which language is the illume keyboard written Sep 27 11:55:09 ( not qtopia ) Sep 27 11:56:28 Shlee: mofi is strange, with 2008.8 it worked great for me, but in 2008.9 and FDOM it doesnt... Sep 27 11:57:24 i just made a /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and i start wifi with "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eht0" Sep 27 11:57:49 but be sure that wifi is turned off in the settings Sep 27 12:00:16 ok, it was on. Sep 27 12:44:34 sakkara: mofis thinks EVERY single wifi connection is WPA Sep 27 12:46:09 Shlee: may be... i only use wpa, so i dont know^^ Sep 27 12:47:30 but sometimes it is strange, there is always a wpa_supplicant -u starting, even if always kill it, don't know where it comes from... Sep 27 13:18:34 fast aux led blinking means kernel dump, right? Sep 27 13:21:21 bipak, i think this means battery is low. Sep 27 13:21:23 not sure though. Sep 27 13:21:38 it may be also a kernel panic, though i got it when my bat was low. Sep 27 13:22:07 hmm it didn't respond on anything Sep 27 13:22:15 and i was playing with bluetooth Sep 27 13:22:31 bat symbol is quite full Sep 27 13:22:45 * bipak checks the logs Sep 27 13:24:03 TAsn: i think there was, slow and fast blinking Sep 27 13:24:09 maybe slow blinking means low bat Sep 27 13:25:28 grml Sep 27 13:25:30 panic again Sep 27 13:25:43 its reproduceable Sep 27 13:26:00 doing hcitool cc Sep 27 13:26:09 kills the kernel Sep 27 13:26:21 qtopia 4.3.3 Sep 27 13:28:17 .. doing hcitool cc on the hostmachine.. Sep 27 13:48:49 bipak: panic on the neo? o_O Sep 27 13:48:57 yep Sep 27 13:59:03 If I haven't updated my uboot, does the second partition need to be ext2? I tried using ext3 but it just panics. Sep 27 14:01:15 .. will gta3-5 have a phys. keyboar? that would be fukig shitty Sep 27 14:01:31 I seem to have corrupted my u-boot image in NAND. I was trying to install debian and something must have gone wrong. Now none of the boot options in NAND seem to work and flashing u-boot doesn't seem to fix it. Is there something else I need to flash to fix this problem? Sep 27 14:03:23 izzyb: probably your uboot env needs to be rebuilt. I think that's something you need to do by hand AFAIK Sep 27 14:03:43 hmm, links to instructions? Sep 27 14:04:00 johngay: second partition? to load the kernel from, or rootfs? Sep 27 14:04:27 izzyb: sorry, dunno. search the wiki, or I hope you had a backup of those settings before you messed with 'em! Sep 27 14:05:00 rootfs Sep 27 14:05:20 rootfs is kernel, uboot only cares about the partition it gets the kernel from. Sep 27 14:05:39 recent kernels should have ext3 built in. Sep 27 14:06:48 I've got the kernel in the first partition, FAT, and the rootfs in the second ext3, but it doesn't boot. I was trying FDOM 20080913. Sep 27 14:07:21 I'm getting ready to try OM2008.9 and wanted to be sure I formatted things right. Sep 27 14:10:36 mwester, thanks, I had an old backup that did the trick :) Sep 27 14:13:43 i do not wanta physical keyboard on neo gta2+ !! Sep 27 14:14:49 will there be one ! , ahh Sep 27 14:16:30 * izzyb would love to have a physical keyboard on the device. coming form the palm treo, I kind of miss the keyboard Sep 27 14:16:49 although a hideaway keyboard would be nicer ;) Sep 27 14:17:09 big display = displaykeyboard + hideaway keyboard :( Sep 27 14:17:29 Then get the G1 Sep 27 14:17:35 .. who has to decide it? Sep 27 14:17:37 johngay: G1? Sep 27 14:17:41 johngay: android? Sep 27 14:17:55 izzyb: Glad you got it working; this is actually becoming a FAQ -- can you add a comment about this problem for others who follow whatever instructions you did for installing debian? Sep 27 14:18:01 T-Mobiles new phone, yea. Sep 27 14:18:10 yes and no. screen keyboards aren't as nice as real keyboards if your doing lots of typing which I do Sep 27 14:18:36 Or get the Apple BT Keyboard. Looks real nice. I'm getting one. Sep 27 14:18:39 who has to decide it.. has something been decided about aht topic already? Sep 27 14:18:59 * balrog-k1n switches to SD booting too because i need 2.6.26 and it won't read my nand flash :( Sep 27 14:19:01 will gta04 have screen keyboard only to? Sep 27 14:19:22 balrog-k1n: .. then dont use 2.6.26:P Sep 27 14:19:29 mwester: actually, I don't have debian working, but perhaps the wiki entry for debian should include such info Sep 27 14:19:35 Bish: i need it... Sep 27 14:19:38 I'll see if I can add something Sep 27 14:19:43 balrog-k1n: ah okay Sep 27 14:19:47 Bish: you said you don't want a physical keyboard though? Sep 27 14:19:51 yeah Sep 27 14:20:04 prefer on-screen? Sep 27 14:20:08 fuck yeah Sep 27 14:20:19 i will die if gta3+ will have phys. keyboards Sep 27 14:20:24 *nods* ;) Sep 27 14:20:25 i really liked on-scree Sep 27 14:22:18 does someone know what will happen concerning the keyboard? Sep 27 14:22:26 or does nobody know Sep 27 14:23:20 * balrog-k1n doubts there will be a physical keyboard Sep 27 14:23:26 :(((((88 Sep 27 14:23:37 it's very difficult to produce Sep 27 14:23:41 lots of moving parts Sep 27 14:23:49 :) thats great Sep 27 14:23:53 assembling the phone would take 10x longer Sep 27 14:24:07 i will code a on screen keyboard that will be fraeking good Sep 27 14:24:13 so evryonewants on screen! u will see Sep 27 14:24:28 * balrog-k1n already feels excited :) Sep 27 14:24:33 yeah :) Sep 27 14:24:46 beware of bish, will pwn qtopia ! Sep 27 14:25:02 seriously qtopia is shit Sep 27 14:25:10 even cpp is shi Sep 27 14:25:20 Bish: mmmm, stop Sep 27 14:25:26 Tm_T: stop what? Sep 27 14:25:38 pointless rant Sep 27 14:25:46 Tm_T: okay , yes thanks Sep 27 14:30:47 whats in youur heeaaad, zooombaeeeh zombaeeeh aeeh aeeh Sep 27 14:30:53 sorry couldnt resist Sep 27 14:31:24 . Sep 27 14:38:17 <[df]> does the fso framework daemon replace gsmd? Sep 27 14:38:33 openmoko: 03werner * r4674 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (hack-silence-battery.patch tweak-spi.patch): Sep 27 14:38:33 openmoko: - moved SPI clock setting from hack-silence-battery.patch (oops !) to Sep 27 14:38:33 openmoko: tweak-spi.patch Sep 27 14:38:33 openmoko: - set the maximum SPI clock to 12MHz and explained what happens if we exceed Sep 27 14:38:33 openmoko: this limit Sep 27 14:38:37 openmoko: - removed unnecessary dummy read before last SPI byte Sep 27 14:41:49 [df]: yes, it's got its own gsmd Sep 27 14:42:47 :p Sep 27 14:42:51 ogsmd? Sep 27 14:43:06 yep somethinggsmd Sep 27 14:43:19 yay, 2.6.26 booted into FSO Sep 27 14:43:46 there are a couple of very weird issues very apparent at first look but it booted Sep 27 14:43:55 like the time is running 4x slower Sep 27 14:44:10 :) Sep 27 14:44:20 what? Sep 27 14:44:22 timehax? Sep 27 14:44:29 it's probably my fault :) Sep 27 14:45:20 mmm i want my usb net :( Sep 27 14:46:39 aww Sep 27 14:56:04 i'm trying to unpoack a .tar ~# tar -xvf rtorrent-0.8.3.tar.gz Sep 27 14:56:04 tar: invalid tar magic Sep 27 14:56:23 hossi: it's gzipped Sep 27 14:56:38 try -xvzf to ungzip and untar in one command Sep 27 14:58:12 balrogkun Sep 27 14:58:19 hehe Sep 27 14:58:23 broken magic Sep 27 14:58:32 blinx: # tar -xvzf rtorrent-0.8.3.tar.gz Sep 27 14:58:32 tar: invalid tar magic Sep 27 14:58:46 ops wrong, balrog-k1n Sep 27 14:58:51 not enough mana! Sep 27 15:00:37 balrog-k1n: any idea? Sep 27 15:01:43 nope Sep 27 15:01:56 you could try gunzip rtorrent-0.8.3.tar.gz first and then tar -xvf Sep 27 15:02:28 :p Sep 27 15:02:42 balrog, you be driftin' too hard :p Sep 27 15:02:46 balrog-k1n: doesn't work :/ Sep 27 15:03:10 what's the error? Sep 27 15:03:43 balrog-k1n: same as before Sep 27 15:04:02 it's a broken tarball then Sep 27 15:04:16 someone gzipped something else as a prank Sep 27 15:04:42 balrog-k1n: I get that message everytime I try to unpack Sep 27 15:05:11 http://www.steamd.net/2008/07/the-hockey-puck-that-is-the-ne.html #this guy is a dick Sep 27 15:05:18 someone with qtopia here? Sep 27 15:05:33 bipak: always someone, don't ask to ask, just ask (; Sep 27 15:05:37 tdobson: how so? Sep 27 15:05:48 Tm_T: :) Sep 27 15:05:59 Tm_T: title "The hockey puck that is the Neo FreeRunner" Sep 27 15:06:25 somewith with qtopia here, who can send me his udev.conf and links.conf from the /etc/udev directory? Ive just delted mine... Sep 27 15:06:38 tdobson: I wouldn't say him a dick Sep 27 15:07:22 Tm_T: I know. "I strongly disagree with him" but :-/ Sep 27 15:07:26 it annoys me :P Sep 27 15:07:32 :P Sep 27 15:07:35 tdobson: you also insulted all dicks Sep 27 15:07:43 What? Sep 27 15:07:56 Tm_T: oh well :P Sep 27 15:09:33 anyone got the shell-lastFM player working on the NF? http://nex.scrapping.cc/code/shell-fm/ Sep 27 15:11:33 it would be awesome to listing to music via last.fm Sep 27 15:12:06 Do they not use a real streaming protocol? Sep 27 15:12:12 if so, mplayer? Sep 27 15:12:43 last.fm is mp3 Sep 27 15:12:50 128kbps Sep 27 15:13:03 tdobson: He might be a dick, but he does have some valid points. Sep 27 15:13:36 :) Sep 27 15:13:58 So who's a dick? Sep 27 15:14:03 bricode_: possibly - the fsf article is a little unclear but mainly people find it hard to interpret Sep 27 15:14:30 Dave: I believe I'm a dick :) Sep 27 15:14:33 Dave: noone else than dick itself Sep 27 15:14:47 hossi, there's a gui lastFM player...and it's working for me. I'm using fso-ms3 Sep 27 15:14:54 the fsf recommended the FR *not* on the basis it was a touch screen device with similar specs but because it is a completely free phone stack Sep 27 15:15:43 http://s11.video2.blip.tv/1110000158061/Flamekebab-LRLUK2008TheGongaThongLightbulbTalkExtravaganzaMatthew517.flv # about being a dick :P Sep 27 15:16:17 tdobson: That's true, with a couple of oddball provisions, that in my opinion, are nutters. Sep 27 15:16:41 bricode_: elaborate :) Sep 27 15:17:09 tdobson: For example, the GSM, GPS and Wifi firmwares are considered "hardware" from the FSF perspective if they aren't changed once the product ships. Sep 27 15:17:28 tdobson: That means, to maintain the "openness" you can't update those firmwares in the field. Sep 27 15:17:55 bricode_: ? Sep 27 15:18:19 tdobson: If you do, you violate the idea that the firmware is a piece of hardware (from the FSF perspective), thus the phone isn't fully "open". Sep 27 15:18:43 bricode_: you mean hardware firmware? Sep 27 15:18:58 Which is nutters because if there is, say, a new GSM firmware that fixes an issue, it *should* be updated. Sep 27 15:19:03 bricode_: ???? dont follow you. Sep 27 15:19:17 aliases123: Which part? Sep 27 15:19:31 oh ... the openmoko has a gsm proble... are you talking about the gsm chip in the freerunner ? Sep 27 15:19:57 tdobson: The GSM, GPS and Wifi all have closed firmware that run on their own CPU cores. Sep 27 15:20:10 bricode_: no Sep 27 15:20:26 bricode_: the GSM has non-free firmware as this is a legal requirement Sep 27 15:20:31 bricode_: yep. that's true. i hate the atheros for being full mac. the gps --> ? ah not sure about taht the gsm is different. Sep 27 15:20:39 the wifi uses a fully free driver, as with the GPs Sep 27 15:20:39 tdobson: That's true. Sep 27 15:21:04 tdobson: There's a different between free driver and the firmware that the driver interacts with. Sep 27 15:21:14 I know Sep 27 15:21:20 aliases123: Yeah, the full mac is good and bad, depending on perspective. Sep 27 15:21:32 tdobson: wifi uses a computer generated driver Sep 27 15:21:40 yeah. if you like not being able to use the chipset properly sure. Sep 27 15:21:42 afaik, on the freerunner the only non-free user updatable firmware is on the gsm chip Sep 27 15:21:46 and this is why the openmoko wifi driver sucks Sep 27 15:22:11 tdobson: also see GPS and wifi firmwares. Sep 27 15:22:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_Openness # here is info lets all read it Sep 27 15:22:42 tdobson: GPS also has legal requirements that require firmware restriction. Sep 27 15:22:43 bricode_: That's not exactly nuts, although I agree that the FSF have used a very strange and questionably acceptable way to "solve" the issue with firmware's freedom. Sep 27 15:23:31 thrashold: My issue with that perspective is that you must set the firmware in stone. If that firmware has an enhancement, it should be updated. Sep 27 15:24:43 bricode_: its a fair point at some level - we should favour free firmware over anythign else Sep 27 15:25:04 i'd like to get free gsm firmware since i think i just hit a bug in it Sep 27 15:25:14 the issue of whether dropping the firmware into ROM/hardware is debatable - obviously you have different opinions to other people here :) Sep 27 15:25:15 (#151 in fso trac) Sep 27 15:25:15 aliases123: The full mac allows you to sleep the main cpu and still do radio stuff. The OLPC hacked the marvel firmware to do mesh and packet forwardin. Sep 27 15:25:39 * tdobson isn't sure exactly what he thinks but would prefer to have the non-free bit in hardware if it had to exist Sep 27 15:25:42 tdobson: I agree with free firmware in principle, but in practice, it's quite different. Sep 27 15:25:53 lindi-: so would I# Sep 27 15:26:12 bricode_: i agree with free everything. Sep 27 15:26:14 bricode_: Well, if your turn your head upside down, it begins to make some sense. Sep 27 15:26:16 lindi-: but there are legal restrictions which aren't openmoko inc's fault Sep 27 15:26:17 i don't understand how AT%CBHZ=1 can possibly have such an influense on voice quality Sep 27 15:26:36 it shouldn't be related to voice in any way Sep 27 15:26:58 anyway. I have to get on :) cheers for the vhat :) Sep 27 15:27:05 * tdobson becomes dormant again Sep 27 15:27:59 lindi-: What does that do? Sep 27 15:28:53 bricode_: it should enable home cell broadcast messages Sep 27 15:29:09 bricode_: but it appears to have a really bad side effect on voice quality Sep 27 15:32:56 quickdev: what's the nme of the gui? Sep 27 15:33:29 hossi, vagalume Sep 27 15:45:06 does anyone know/seen whether there are plans do get a permanant splash screen during boot(missing out kernel messages)? Sep 27 15:46:02 xzcvczx: how about picking a nick that is bit easier to remember? ;) Sep 27 15:46:49 lindi-: actually its very easy to remember, i bet you will still remember it in about 3 hrs LP Sep 27 15:46:52 :P* Sep 27 15:51:05 Hello gentlemen Sep 27 15:51:08 and bricode, the dick :) Sep 27 15:51:25 Don't worry, we like you, brian :) Sep 27 15:51:35 lol Sep 27 15:51:37 Dave! ;) Sep 27 15:51:41 \o/ Sep 27 15:52:00 Dave's not here, man! Sep 27 15:52:21 YES I AM Sep 27 15:52:44 * Dave stabs johngay in the face with his burning magnesium dagger of greeting Sep 27 15:52:44 where can one find the list of packages for om2008? Sep 27 15:52:54 Dave? Sep 27 15:52:56 hossi, presumably in the respository. Sep 27 15:53:14 johngay :) Sep 27 15:53:43 Is that dave? Sep 27 15:53:49 Dave: where is that? :) Sep 27 15:53:58 * retracile wants to know Dave's supplier Sep 27 15:54:07 :o Sep 27 15:54:18 >:) Sep 27 15:54:28 * Dave slips something to retracile Sep 27 15:56:52 OK, I'm running 2008.9 from SD. I imagine I can update this without screwing up whats in flash? Sep 27 16:00:06 hallo Sep 27 16:01:09 johngay: hopefully. but I don't know if the kernel post-install script is smart enough to know not to reflash the kernel; it has no knowlege of where the running kernel was booted from. Sep 27 16:02:37 Kinda mute point, it seems. The installer isn't smart enough to use my wifi, though settings shows it is good. Sep 27 16:02:51 johngay: install.sh? Sep 27 16:02:57 DAVE Sep 27 16:03:47 Is there even a term in this? Sep 27 16:04:02 johngay: ? Sep 27 16:04:29 I'm tryin' 2008.9 from SD. Sep 27 16:04:59 there will be if you install it Sep 27 16:05:26 Can't install anything if it's too dumb to use my wifi. Sep 27 16:06:06 johngay: isn't that a kernel issue? Sep 27 16:06:50 I don't know. I just put http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ on my SD card and booted from it. Sep 27 16:07:24 settings shows my wifi at 27%, but the installer says it can't find any repositories. Sep 27 16:08:22 * johngay still likes the original 2007 that came with the phone. Sep 27 16:08:55 johngay: FSO is quite nice now Sep 27 16:09:18 well if you disable gsm, and just use gps the battery lasts quite a while as well :P Sep 27 16:10:15 and disable wifi Sep 27 16:10:49 johngay: does ping work? Sep 27 16:11:41 How do I ping without a term??? Sep 27 16:11:54 johngay: by not using three question marks Sep 27 16:13:01 lindi :P Sep 27 16:13:11 SICU Sep 27 16:13:40 is it correct understood that you can use the Linux-system-dictionary as the SMS dictionary on one of the enviroments ? Sep 27 16:13:41 omgwtfrootkits! Sep 27 16:14:02 Well, 2008.9 hasn't changed my mind about where OM is heading )-= Sep 27 16:14:26 I´m from denmark, so its quite impornent that I can spell some of the special danish words :-p Sep 27 16:15:22 np: AC/DC - Highway to hell. Sep 27 16:17:29 Even suduko on this sucks. Sep 27 16:17:39 SpeedEvil: rather random, Sep 27 16:19:01 xzcvczx: where's OM heading. Sep 27 16:19:10 More on-topically. Sep 27 16:19:21 SpeedEvil: oh duh, my bad. Sep 27 16:19:21 I've come up with another use-case for a camera. Sep 27 16:19:56 Huge shelf full of coffee with assorted prices and special offers -> OCR -> automatic calculation -> That one is cheap Sep 27 16:20:09 SpeedEvil: light-level detection for automatic backlight control? ... oh Sep 27 16:20:52 retracile: i am not sure the power required to power the camera would actually make it worth that Sep 27 16:20:53 Took the time to try to find the 'cheap' offers. Turns out that as is not unusual, the offers were the normal prices. Sep 27 16:21:04 xzcvczx: it is. Sep 27 16:21:18 Camera is cheap - espsecially if you power it up .1s/5 Sep 27 16:21:28 And take a 100*100 frame Sep 27 16:22:39 in comparison to a light detector or somehting though? Sep 27 16:22:54 s/ht/th/ Sep 27 16:22:54 xzcvczx meant: in comparison to a ligth detector or somehting though? Sep 27 16:23:15 gah you useless bot Sep 27 16:24:00 Yea, just build a USB light sensor. Sep 27 16:24:02 googles is going for it: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080232574.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080232574&RS=DN/20080232574 Sep 27 16:24:10 xzcvczx: I'd expect a light detector (photoresistor) to be less power, but it is also less versatile than a camera. Sep 27 16:24:25 A light detector is also not free. Sep 27 16:24:39 If the camera is already there, then using it is free. Sep 27 16:25:00 If it's not, then it's going to add at least $.25 to the cost-price, and $.5 to the sale price Sep 27 16:25:03 SpeedEvil: why not use some tiny usb camera? Sep 27 16:25:12 lindi-: because it sticks out. Sep 27 16:25:19 SpeedEvil: a bit yes Sep 27 16:25:26 lindi-: know of any good ones? Sep 27 16:25:37 lindi-: You can't jam it in pocket, which removes most of the use-cases. Sep 27 16:25:50 lindi-: all 'decent' USB cameras require USB2 Sep 27 16:25:55 my stv680 is quite small but i'm sure they could make it smaller Sep 27 16:25:57 Or they go to stupidly low resolution. Sep 27 16:25:58 this is usb1 Sep 27 16:26:06 SpeedEvil: just find one that fits in the hole of the phone Sep 27 16:26:36 lindi-: camera modules for phones are in the 4.5*4.5*2mm range. Sep 27 16:26:42 lindi-: and costing $5 or under Sep 27 16:27:16 SpeedEvil: what kind of interface do they have? Sep 27 16:28:19 i have seen some with i2c for control and extra data lines for the image Sep 27 16:29:51 lindi-: the SoC already has the camera interface Sep 27 16:30:07 I2C for control, and 8 bit parallel databus. Sep 27 16:30:13 SpeedEvil: ah, does the $5 camera work there? Sep 27 16:30:19 (which you have to read out at several dozen MHz Sep 27 16:30:21 lindi-: yes Sep 27 16:30:28 lindi-: for VGA cameras. Sep 27 16:30:32 SpeedEvil: did you try it? Sep 27 16:31:11 lindi-: no - it's impossible to attach to GTA02 without major rework - and I have no GTA02 anyway. Sep 27 16:31:27 lindi-: a billion chinese people can't be wong though. Sep 27 16:32:00 http://www3.alps.com/e/npv_product/0425_FPDJ/FPDJ-E.HTML is typical of the breed. Sep 27 16:40:40 hi at all, anyone can said me what is package that contains cu command (for AT command)? Sep 27 16:40:43 thanks in advance Sep 27 16:41:03 geaaru: what distribution? Sep 27 16:41:16 gentoo and debian Sep 27 16:41:30 geaaru: $ find-package-by-file bin/cu | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 Sep 27 16:41:30 http://rafb.net/p/ZyXGAe97.html Sep 27 16:41:43 gentoo == emerge -s uucp Sep 27 16:41:49 i think its taylor or something Sep 27 16:42:13 ah ok, it is uucp package... i will intalled it ... thanks Sep 27 16:42:59 geaaru: yeah just confirmed its taylor-uucp Sep 27 16:43:18 debian isnt it just 'apt-get install cu'? Sep 27 16:43:45 xzcvczx: yes Sep 27 16:44:25 lindi-: thanks, use ubuntu/gentoo never used debian Sep 27 16:44:31 OK. So Om2008.9 is a no-go. Guess I'll try FSO now. Sep 27 16:45:01 yes taylor-uucp on gentoo... for debian i need wait tomorrow... in this moment i have only my gentoo. However, thank you very much for reply. Sep 27 16:45:46 geaaru: the great thing about chroots is that you can have both debian and gentoo and you can use both at the same time without needing to reboot Sep 27 16:46:28 johngay: just be aware FSO does not include gui wifi config Sep 27 16:46:55 lindi-: yes of course... this when i have space on my hardisk, but not now. :P :) Sep 27 16:47:15 geaaru: hard disk? i meant on the phone Sep 27 16:47:21 Does it have a term? Can I still use the same commands I use with 2007? Sep 27 16:47:51 johngay: you will have to open the menu by clicking the down arrow at top of screen and clicking home then terminal is in the list Sep 27 16:48:08 hard disk for test my application before port it to openmoko environment Sep 27 16:48:15 s/down arrow/inverted triangle Sep 27 16:51:19 It's a pain typing these long wget strings on the screen keyboard (-; Sep 27 16:51:59 johngay, try tinyurl perhaps? Sep 27 16:52:29 i wouldnt mind a keypad 4*3 semi transparent full screen keyboard Sep 27 16:52:54 shame wget can't tab-complete addresses /-; Sep 27 16:54:03 I wnat to add open street map data of my own city to my freerunner. On the wiki there is the instruction: In addition to downloading map images from the OSM server etc. etc. Can some body give me a pointer on how to install a map from a osm server. Sep 27 16:54:23 lesouvage: what gps program? Sep 27 16:56:41 maps, the one that is part of om2008.9 see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations . It is working but because there is no map info it just shows a red spot covering half of the Netherlands. Sep 27 16:56:51 sorry the program is locations Sep 27 16:56:53 cb22 Thanx! Never even knew that existed. Sep 27 16:58:01 .nl - you're lucky Sep 27 16:58:13 .nl got data donated by a mapping company, so it's well covered. Sep 27 16:58:24 xzcvczx: gps is "working out of the box" with om2008.9. Just have to turn gps on in settings. Sep 27 16:59:12 Speedevil: I know and it would be great to have it working on my freerunner. Sep 27 16:59:43 But there is no "Install map Netherlands" in the installer :-( Sep 27 17:08:59 lesouvage, alternatively you can install tangogps,gpsd,configure gpsd,connect to the internet and tap to the screen and a menu will appear...on the bottom of the menu there is "download" ...just select the zoom level you want to download... Sep 27 17:09:36 hello i've a problem...what's the sdl version of 2008.9? Sep 27 17:10:41 could someone type: opkg info libsdl-1.2-0 Sep 27 17:10:54 or okkg list | grep -i sdl Sep 27 17:28:36 mwester: you here? Sep 27 17:28:54 I installed your patch for qtopia that is constantly re-connection to the gsm Sep 27 17:29:21 and now i can no longer "draw my words" you know, write the letter with the touchscreen Sep 27 17:37:08 or maybe your twin mwester_ is online? :) Sep 27 17:40:55 gnutool: thanks for the info. I'm not that lucky with getting apss to work on the freerunner and i'm glad locations is working. Sep 27 17:42:04 Does anybody how to get the description generator to work. (http://people.openmoko.org/olv/om-maps/desc-gen.html) I try it on my mac with firefox but holding the shift key doesn't seem to have any effect Sep 27 17:53:00 lesouvage: never heard of anyone not being able to get agpsui working (except when the gsp was defect) what distro are you using? Sep 27 17:57:29 Zorkman: gps is working but I have no map info of my region. I found the wiki page. Will install it now. But what I actually need is a map of my region. I'm using om2008.9 Sep 27 17:58:51 Zorkman: thanks for the pointer, looks interesting. Sep 27 18:08:03 Is it a real problem when "signature check failed" message shows up with opkg update? Sep 27 18:10:34 <[df]> lesouvage: I don't think so Sep 27 18:16:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb0723b23405d 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Sep 27 18:16:54 freesmartphone.org: rules: Add IdleState DBus trigger and SetDisplayBrightness action Sep 27 18:16:54 freesmartphone.org: We are handling the display dimming solely through the rules now. Sep 27 18:16:54 freesmartphone.org: (Yes, the rules files is device specific nowadays...) Sep 27 18:17:44