**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 05 02:59:57 2008 Oct 05 03:16:20 checking out the latest openmoko Oct 05 03:16:54 20080913 kernel hmmmm thats old Oct 05 03:17:15 :D Oct 05 03:17:32 what u running now dave? Oct 05 03:17:46 20920911 Oct 05 03:17:56 lol Oct 05 03:18:05 star trak edition* Oct 05 03:18:17 transport me Oct 05 03:18:18 :D Oct 05 03:18:23 SHIELDS!!! Oct 05 03:18:23 for sure Oct 05 03:18:43 alian intrusion Oct 05 03:19:59 houston's been blown off the map dallas ,,, u copy? Oct 05 03:20:17 hope so :D Oct 05 03:20:24 may as well, if they don't secede Oct 05 03:20:37 just call our friendly neighborhood aliens in... to do the job! Oct 05 03:20:38 :) Oct 05 03:21:24 slaxxin: build your own Oct 05 03:21:33 easy as 1-2-3 Oct 05 03:22:43 what an ugly mess i would make Oct 05 03:22:52 >:) Oct 05 03:22:55 you always say that :p Oct 05 03:23:00 then I laugh Oct 05 03:23:05 although the x.26 git kernels seem to have some ugly debug crap Oct 05 03:34:32 hay has any one had luck getting gprs working under Qtopia 4.4 Oct 05 03:35:10 lawnjart: gprs seems to be a fuggin pita lately Oct 05 03:35:32 ok Oct 05 03:37:13 I may just switch back to Om 2008.9 i had it work ok, I'm just trying out the update. Oct 05 03:37:31 werd Oct 05 03:38:58 I really like how snappy qtopia is... Oct 05 03:39:46 debian ftw Oct 05 03:40:01 but thats another story* Oct 05 03:45:47 roland 909 drum machine emulator http://lab.andre-michelle.com/fl-909 Oct 05 03:46:04 has source code Oct 05 03:47:18 * sicu welcomes the aliens and hopes for advanced technological assistance ... and perhaps a functional FR Oct 05 03:47:40 So far on my FreeRunner - with FSO, SHR, OM2008.8 and OM2008.9 I can neither get a GPS fix, nor join my WPA wireless network using the gui tools (haven't setup USB networking yet)... is this normal? or possibly indicative of bad hardware? Oct 05 03:48:33 openmoko: 03zecke * r034d6f2531d7 10/src/settings/systemtime/ (settime.cpp settime.h): [date] Disable setting hour format in our build Oct 05 03:48:34 openmoko: 03zecke * r8e221b086d95 10/src/applications/addressbook/abeditor.cpp: [sim editor] Have a frame so that it is under windowmanager control Oct 05 03:48:47 GPRS also does not seem to work Oct 05 04:46:45 is the default root password on the openmoko empty? Oct 05 04:48:05 Yep Oct 05 08:23:20 hallo Oct 05 08:26:03 http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ Oct 05 08:26:17 The eee article? Oct 05 08:26:24 yep Oct 05 08:26:25 *clicks* Ah, yeah ;) Oct 05 08:26:45 I was discussing boot time a few days ago Oct 05 08:27:01 and it was considered "hard" Oct 05 08:29:02 pros and cons of saving the state of a new-booted system and loading that like hibernate? Oct 05 08:30:31 Once you know exactly wants required. readahead is a good point Oct 05 08:30:52 I'm sure people will look into it.. Oct 05 08:32:31 zash: in the steady that is the way to go Oct 05 08:32:48 zash: but if you make configuration changes Oct 05 08:36:07 devo: then you reboot as normal and overwrite the saved state Oct 05 08:38:41 yup Oct 05 09:08:33 hi all, does anyone know a wifi setup that works reliable? with encryption better then wep Oct 05 09:08:57 (2008.latest or 2007.2) Oct 05 09:10:39 2008.8 works fine for me Oct 05 09:10:56 with what kind of encryption? Oct 05 09:12:24 edje: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-td1128409.html Oct 05 09:12:34 this thread might have an answer for you Oct 05 09:14:31 ok, i will read down to the bottom, the top part seems all to familiar ;-) Oct 05 09:14:48 yep :) Oct 05 09:15:08 as i remember correctly there was someone with a solution for WPA Oct 05 09:15:43 didn't tried it so far, though Oct 05 09:20:26 yes, it looks promissing. i will play with it some more. thanks foor the pointer ! Oct 05 09:21:30 good luck :) Oct 05 09:26:11 thank, i feel that i need that :-) Oct 05 09:27:19 :)) Oct 05 09:37:46 hi Oct 05 09:38:16 does anyone know if there are any usable korea maps for tangogps ? Oct 05 09:57:42 hi Oct 05 09:57:48 bipak_: it doesn;t seem to help.... stil no connection is made Oct 05 09:58:51 edje: you cant connect even once? Oct 05 09:59:23 how can I change network settings on a new flashed 2008.9 image? I already lost ssh connection, so is there a way to edit files directly on the freerunner? Oct 05 09:59:42 no. i had it working once, but it fails ever since Oct 05 09:59:58 no terminal app? Oct 05 10:00:28 no terminal app. Oct 05 10:23:06 do you really need a working networking stack to upgrade? Oct 05 10:23:35 well you can install packages locally Oct 05 10:23:49 :/ Oct 05 10:24:11 that sounds dubious Oct 05 10:24:28 I think the safe thing to do is point the boot loader at the micro sd Oct 05 10:24:54 so you never have to rely on the system being intact beyond basic boot Oct 05 10:32:58 quick question: with which distro there's not the echo problem ? Oct 05 10:33:34 depending on who you ask, none or all. Oct 05 10:36:30 i'm asking the ones who didn't reported any problems :) Oct 05 10:47:51 Hi! I tried to follow the instructions of how to install RoadMap into Qtopia, but when I try to unpack the files from the tgz, I get the "tar: invalid tar magic". Anyone hwo knows what to do? Oct 05 10:49:09 TeNoVi: are you running gunzip properly? Oct 05 10:49:19 TeNoVi: tar -xzf file.tgz? Oct 05 10:49:24 TeNoVi, file tut.tgz Oct 05 10:49:54 (just foo checking what kind of file is it). Oct 05 10:50:14 I'm not an expert in Linux yet, but in the guide, it tells me to do "tar -xvpf roadmap.tgz", but is the "-xvpf" part right? Oct 05 10:50:37 add -z Oct 05 10:50:48 -xzvpf Oct 05 10:51:16 TY. I think that did the trich Oct 05 10:51:18 *trick Oct 05 10:52:53 But I still can't get the rest to work (http://www.linux4.be/fr/roadmap.html) Oct 05 11:08:07 TeNoVi, I followed the instructions, and all works for me. Oct 05 11:08:31 I just exept ". ./opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env" did ". ./opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/qpe.env" Oct 05 11:17:14 max_posedon: Hmm, yes. I think I might be on the right way or something. Thank You... I'll try a bit more. Oct 05 11:18:56 re Oct 05 11:32:12 anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? Oct 05 11:39:52 There was someone else asking that a bit ago Oct 05 11:39:59 Oh. Oct 05 11:40:02 I think it was you. Oct 05 12:00:24 deever: does it happen to you with all kernels? Oct 05 12:02:44 lindi-: at least with the one in the qtopia image Oct 05 12:03:40 deever: can you try some other kernel? Oct 05 12:08:28 lindi-: i'll try asap...do you know one working with the trolltech qtopia rootfs? Oct 05 12:08:41 deever: i haven't managed to compile qtopia Oct 05 12:09:16 no, binary i mean Oct 05 12:09:43 deever: i can't develop software i can't compile Oct 05 12:14:21 lindi-: ? Oct 05 12:14:39 i was speaking about using, not developing yet...;) Oct 05 12:23:23 deever: using latest mwester kernel with qtextended rootfs and it works Oct 05 12:24:30 gromez: sure? and where can i find it? Oct 05 12:25:03 deever: http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin Oct 05 12:25:45 Don't forget the modules, especially if you'll be trying anything with wifi and encryption. Oct 05 12:27:21 and this works with the qtopia rootfs from qtopia.net? Oct 05 12:27:58 deever: it's qtextended now : qtextended.org Oct 05 12:28:47 gromez: yes but the file i downloaded is still named qtopia Oct 05 12:29:34 deever: The kernel should be the same between *all* the different images out there. Especially if you download and install the matching modules. Oct 05 12:29:58 So that kernel had better work on all the existing images,not just Qt Extended or Qtopia. Oct 05 12:30:29 mwester. I'm planning to try your kernel with qtExtended today. Any gotchas? Oct 05 12:30:29 fine! :) Oct 05 12:31:04 mwester: and the modules, do i need them to install separately or what? Oct 05 12:32:32 So, I'll need your kernel and modules and the qtExtended from http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ Oct 05 12:32:38 Is that it? Oct 05 12:35:36 deever: but if i can't compile it now i can't develop it tomorrow :) Oct 05 12:36:03 deever: Yep, the modules should be copied to the FR, and then just cd to "/", and untar them -- they'll end up in /lib/modules/.... Oct 05 12:36:24 lindi-: What isn't working? Oct 05 12:36:51 john: or you go directly: http://moko.mwester.net/ Oct 05 12:38:34 hi Oct 05 12:40:22 I can't get usb internet access on 2008.9 . I configured it as i did it on 2007.2 and 08.8 . any hints? Oct 05 12:43:28 I can ping my computer, but not outside. configuration on the computer is still the same as it was with the other images, so the problem seems to be on neo's side. where to start troubleshooting? Oct 05 12:44:56 jopk: /etc/resolv.conf is ok ? Oct 05 12:45:48 there's 1 line: nameserver 208.67.222.222 . is that ok? Oct 05 12:48:09 I think it had been the same on the other images... Oct 05 12:48:54 jopk: can you ping a host in your lan from the Neo-side? Oct 05 12:50:06 mwester: but what is special in this? /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ always contains the kernel's modules? Oct 05 12:50:29 Kensan, is the router a host? I can ping my laptop where the neo is connected to Oct 05 12:51:04 Kensan: Nothing special, just that the modules to download match the kernel Oct 05 12:51:33 Kensan: You can have Very Bad Things happen if they mismatch... Oct 05 12:52:29 mwester: those comments were destined for deever I guess? Oct 05 12:52:32 ;) Oct 05 12:52:51 jopk: try to ping the router Oct 05 12:53:13 it does send packages, but 100% loss Oct 05 12:53:37 (from my laptop pinging the router is fine) Oct 05 12:53:56 jopk: is your laptop forwarding the packets? Oct 05 12:54:28 jopk: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Oct 05 12:55:59 it's a windows machine Oct 05 12:56:35 all I know is that it worked with the other images using a shared connection Oct 05 12:57:31 jopk: hm ok. Is the shared connection setup properly? I don't know how to setup networking with the Neo on windows i am afraid. Maybe there's some info in the wiki. Oct 05 13:10:10 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r483c4454de20 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get two bugfixes Oct 05 13:12:28 If I turn on bluetooth it can't be found by other devices. Where do I set the device discoverable for other devices when using bluetooth. I run the latest fdom distribution. WIth config I can just turn it on and of. Oct 05 13:13:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4e797f9d30c3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] prepare for checking recamping bug and set AEC + Noise Reduction to -6db Oct 05 13:16:41 http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7714722/ Oct 05 13:30:38 hello, i missed a call with FSO(testing version) and I did an AT+CPBS="ME" then AT+CPBR=? then AT+CPBR=1,10 all with the framework gsm debug...and it didn't give me the missed call Oct 05 13:31:34 mwester: make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image says 'NOTE: Task failed: Unknown fetch Error: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/home/lindi/l/openmoko/mokomakefile/sources/git/anongit.freedesktop.org.git.packagekit/813fa8cfb139246cf180d52895b52b28616ae2f5/git/backends/apt.deprecated/helpers/packagekit'' Oct 05 13:43:37 Can somebody please tell me how I can set my fdom freerunner "bluetooth discoverable". Or is this an option not available with fdom? Oct 05 13:44:42 I googled for info on this issue but I couldn't find anything. Oct 05 14:01:28 hi Oct 05 14:01:54 lestat: hello Oct 05 14:02:18 i've installed openmoko 2008, it's working fine, but i can't find how to quit the graphical package manager Oct 05 14:02:51 each time i click on "remove" it fails to clean the /usr/lib/opkg/lock Oct 05 14:14:40 is there qtopia tar.gz image for usage on sd card? Oct 05 14:14:50 I have found only jffs2 of 4.4.1.. Oct 05 14:16:46 did you try these? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia Oct 05 14:16:55 (I don't know the answer.) Oct 05 14:17:21 ah, you are trying, but there is no tar.gz :) Oct 05 14:17:36 jffs2 should be mountable with loopback Oct 05 14:17:54 LionKMP: there is only 4.3.2-290808 Oct 05 14:19:11 LionKMP: just use mtdram Oct 05 14:22:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Converting_a_GTA02_image_for_GTA01 Oct 05 14:22:15 wow, is that really possible and that easy? Oct 05 14:22:33 sure Oct 05 14:22:45 re mounting jffs2 Oct 05 14:22:51 i don't know about rest of the file Oct 05 14:23:30 ok. that was JaMa's problem, he wants .tar.gz of Qtopia but only jffs2 is available. Isn't it as easy as : mount, copy -cpr ? Oct 05 14:29:32 Damn! I don't have the mtd tools and I'm too lazy to re-compile my kernel. Oct 05 14:30:30 luckily debian kernels have almost all modules :) Oct 05 15:04:57 !es Oct 05 15:21:54 hey, who are using 2007.2 and want to set different ringtones for incoming dial and sms? ;> Oct 05 15:22:18 here - http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/phone-kit - is a patched version of phone-kit Oct 05 15:22:26 in /etc/pulse/session you can set load-sample ringtone_sms /path/to/your/sms/ringtone.wav Oct 05 15:22:28 dos1: i'm not using that but i'd like to find some DFSG-free ringtones Oct 05 15:22:38 restart pulseaudio and X, and you have different ringtone for sms :) Oct 05 15:23:16 patches and package i will share later, now i'm afk ;] Oct 05 15:23:45 dos1: sharing binaries? huh Oct 05 15:39:49 i'd really like to see some youtube videos of debian on the Freerunner. that's the distro i'm most looking forward to running. Oct 05 15:54:09 I assume that dyntick=enable in the uboot bootargs is for power saving. Are there any problems associated with it? Are there better ways currently available? Oct 05 15:57:20 Kernel doesn't do dyntick yet Oct 05 16:11:33 <_Guhit> Does anyone have instructions or a link to instructions for setting up wifi on the qtextended image? It's the first qtopia image that actually seems to work for me so I'd actually like to try things out. Oct 05 16:14:17 war schon lottoziehung?? Oct 05 16:15:04 WAR SCHON LOTTOZIEHUNG Oct 05 16:45:05 Anyone running the new qtext-4.4.1? Anyone got a tarball?? Oct 05 17:03:56 john: u mean http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 ? Oct 05 17:06:12 he means .tar.gz, those are .jffs2 Oct 05 17:07:01 as in, he doesn't like to have root image, but root in simple tar package Oct 05 17:21:05 hrm, I can't seem to find the listing on the wiki for the testing repo for Om2008. Anyone have a link? Or the repo line? Oct 05 17:23:47 hey all Oct 05 17:23:50 i'm going to buy a neo Oct 05 17:23:59 but! -- i need to know how the email support it Oct 05 17:24:02 s/it/is Oct 05 17:24:22 i'll be hacking the phone a lot -- i just do work on lkml and other large lists -- so i would like to know about durability and email Oct 05 17:24:56 bbs: you mean freerunner? Oct 05 17:25:07 yes Oct 05 17:25:19 i'm extremely excited about the product Oct 05 17:25:22 At teh moment it's basically not reliable or present in all images. Oct 05 17:25:23 it will be my main handset Oct 05 17:25:32 A bad idea. Oct 05 17:25:41 i mean -- i run everything on my machine alpha Oct 05 17:25:43 It's not really ready for that. Oct 05 17:25:49 It's not alpha. Oct 05 17:25:59 It's really pre-pre-pre alpha in most cases. Oct 05 17:26:04 ok Oct 05 17:26:05 There are some images that work mostly. Oct 05 17:26:19 But there is no guarantee that the next image will actually work reliably. Oct 05 17:26:24 my sim chip says it will work Oct 05 17:26:32 Or do complex stuff like - for example make calls. Oct 05 17:26:45 lol Oct 05 17:26:52 :-) Oct 05 17:27:15 thats cool Oct 05 17:27:18 i still think i want to get one Oct 05 17:27:23 It is fun. Oct 05 17:27:26 perhaps not as a main handset Oct 05 17:27:42 SpeedEvil: ok since we are tlaking dev stuff -- how is the code _base_ for the email program Oct 05 17:27:46 do you know what language its in Oct 05 17:27:53 But at the moment, it's a very small pentium-II class laptop with an ISA 3D video card, and some sort-of-phone software. Oct 05 17:28:27 i thought it was arm 500 mhz Oct 05 17:28:37 SpeedEvil: and still iw ant to know about email status Oct 05 17:28:47 lindi-: yes, i was sharing binaries, because i had to go out ;p Oct 05 17:28:56 lindi-: now i'm creating diffs Oct 05 17:29:03 bbs: none of the images I used had any email client Oct 05 17:29:07 I've used Oct 05 17:29:10 ok Oct 05 17:29:18 ~fso Oct 05 17:29:19 rumour has it, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. Oct 05 17:29:24 ~asu Oct 05 17:29:25 [asu] the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. Oct 05 17:29:31 ~qtopia Oct 05 17:29:32 methinks qtopia is Trolltech's comprehensive application platform for embedded Linux based PDAs, mobile phones, web pads, and other mobile computing devices. Engineered in Brisbane Australia. http://qtopia.net | #qtopia Oct 05 17:31:04 hrm, I can't seem to find the listing on the wiki for the testing repo for Om2008. Anyone have a link? Or the repo line? Oct 05 17:34:30 http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/another_ringtone_for_sms.patch Oct 05 17:35:34 apply it to openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit Oct 05 18:54:15 my sdcard is not mounted yet i still get that warning Oct 05 19:25:46 <_Guhit> Can anyone get GPRS or Wifi (WPA+TKIP) to work with the qt extended 4.4.1 image? Oct 05 19:31:05 I still don't know how to enable wifi in the first place Oct 05 19:39:17 ciao Oct 05 19:52:38 * Daverix want to know when OM2008.10 is going to be released. Oct 05 20:07:32 <_Guhit> Staticwave_Ace: which distro/image? Oct 05 20:07:38 qt 4.4.1 Oct 05 20:07:46 whatever that newest one is Oct 05 20:08:00 <_Guhit> Settings -> Internet Oct 05 20:08:08 <_Guhit> Option -> Add Oct 05 20:08:12 yeah I've seen that Oct 05 20:08:12 <_Guhit> Options Oct 05 20:08:54 from there on its not quite as clear Oct 05 20:09:29 <_Guhit> Add the wireless network and enter the info Oct 05 20:11:16 wireless networks -> why can't I just scan? Oct 05 20:11:23 what's with filling in all this stuff Oct 05 20:12:39 <_Guhit> There should be scan option in the menu, but you're still going to have to fill in most of the info Oct 05 20:53:34 * Arhuaco has a neo1973 GTA01 that doesn't want to charge... I got it from a friend who had it stored for a few months. Oct 05 20:54:03 Arhuaco: do you have a voltmeter? Oct 05 20:54:14 standard procedure: remove battery for a minute, then reinsert, plug in, let it be for several hours before attempting to power up Oct 05 20:54:17 SpeedEvil, not at this time. Oct 05 20:54:29 Arhuaco: do you have a phased plasma rifle in the 40w range? Oct 05 20:55:38 SpeedEvil: :-) Oct 05 20:55:53 Plugging it in and leaving it for several hours is a good plan though. Oct 05 20:56:03 Ok. Will try. Oct 05 20:56:06 I did that tonight but in a laptop.... Oct 05 20:56:44 shouldn't matter really, as long as it was on Oct 05 20:56:51 And this morning it did turn on, but it would not fast-charge. Thus I'm trying to update the image. Oct 05 20:57:11 ah, okay. Well then, it's not completely borked at least. Oct 05 20:57:32 mjr, yes, it's not bricked .... Oct 05 20:58:09 I tried uploading a new image (2008.9) but it seems the partition I have cannot hold the rootfs. Thus I'll try to upload an older image, 2007.2. (I wanna try Debian). Oct 05 20:58:23 I wish I had an external fast-charger :-) Oct 05 20:58:47 Arhuaco: have you connected it to a powered hub, or directly to a motherboard port? Oct 05 20:58:58 Directly, SpeedEvil. Oct 05 21:07:46 hello ppl, i want to test a new 8gb sd card, what should i do? i just put it in and didnt recognize it Oct 05 21:08:13 im using om 2008.8 Oct 05 21:13:35 how do i make 2008.9 let go of my sdcard Oct 05 21:13:59 so i can put qtopia or something on it Oct 05 21:14:14 I think what the answer will be... but let's ask. If I put 5V with the correct polarity I can damage the battery, right? Oct 05 21:14:19 (I have a 5V charger for a phone I had...). Oct 05 21:14:31 Let's not risk the battery... :-) Oct 05 21:15:07 maybe anold nokia phone to charge the battery Oct 05 21:15:44 Arhuaco: just leave it in the phone. Plug the phone into a Linux system on a port that can do Oct 05 21:15:53 500ma, then bring up u-boot Oct 05 21:16:10 check the contacts on the phone an see if the battery will line up Oct 05 21:16:12 and use the "fast -charge" menu item to turn off the backlight and enter full 500ma charge Oct 05 21:16:35 yay Oct 05 21:16:40 copy-paste Oct 05 21:19:08 mabye this one could help too: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Nokia-charging-stand.jpg Oct 05 21:19:52 Ok, I'll try. (I don't remember that option when I saw U-boot. This phone must have old software). Oct 05 21:20:01 LionKMP, I'll get one when I have the chance. Thanks. Oct 05 21:20:05 Trying... Oct 05 21:30:31 moo Oct 05 21:32:53 hay dave where do i set the default ip on 2008.9? Oct 05 21:33:00 latest raster image is really nice Oct 05 21:33:23 slaxin, I have no idea Oct 05 21:33:31 welp Oct 05 21:33:34 I don't use the shittiest software ever invented :) Oct 05 21:33:44 qt? Oct 05 21:33:49 fso Oct 05 21:33:55 debian? Oct 05 21:34:10 wtf? Oct 05 21:34:10 SLACKWARE??::)) Oct 05 21:34:11 bbq? Oct 05 21:34:15 roflcopter Oct 05 21:35:01 ooo noo Oct 05 21:35:17 dont tell me its oooobuutoo Oct 05 21:35:52 n Oct 05 21:36:13 I downloaded map data using tangogps. The download is finished but now map appears on the screen. Is there another step to take? Oct 05 21:36:23 u use em all dont u u hacker Oct 05 21:36:27 now=no Oct 05 21:36:27 scroll around a little Oct 05 21:36:44 or hit autocenter Oct 05 21:36:45 roflcopter alert, tche tche, soi soi Oct 05 21:37:01 wonka: thanks Oct 05 21:37:05 all squadrons, engage! Oct 05 21:37:24 =] Oct 05 21:38:30 anyone powered a joystick or gamepad on their phone yet? Oct 05 21:39:06 are there some instructions on how to try a 8gb sd card Oct 05 21:40:35 wonka: other tango users show up on the screen, but no map appears until the whole of Europe is on the map. Oct 05 21:40:52 mh Oct 05 21:41:33 lesouvage: how much did you download? Oct 05 21:41:47 torero: "put it in"? Oct 05 21:42:22 btw: I have a congres coming week about "the future of presence" and it is about what to do with presence information and how to benifit from it. Tangogps is a real hot example of what the future ill bring us in regards to presence info. Oct 05 21:42:31 Wonka: tried it Oct 05 21:42:57 Wonka: the counter starts at round 1500 Oct 05 21:43:28 mh. no idea. Oct 05 21:44:09 wow, trying a fdisk on the /dev/mmcblk0p1 messed X Oct 05 21:44:25 torero: i put mine in, booted, fdisk-ed /dev/mmcblk0 to have a first primary partition, mkfs.ext3'd /dev/mmcblk0p1, and mounted that. Oct 05 21:44:26 i got a "white noise" like thing Oct 05 21:45:03 o_O Oct 05 21:45:56 my 8gb card works fine with the last kernels, no more glamo option to put in u-boot, it's great Oct 05 21:48:30 did someone use raster image ? some apps i've installed (like tangogps) didn't appear in the menu and if i create a symlink in appshadow, after a reboot, icon has gone Oct 05 21:51:05 Wonka: I changed from openstreetmap to googlemap. Googlemap is working:-) Oct 05 21:51:12 oh. Oct 05 21:51:14 :-) Oct 05 21:51:27 never had problems with OSM Oct 05 21:54:06 I'm a big fan of opensource and open content so I really would like to see OSM work. Oct 05 21:55:51 Wonka: do you have any advice how to get it working? Oct 05 21:56:30 no Oct 05 22:04:26 gromez: raster has stripped down the image ... so you would encounter a lot of missing dependancies before you get things like gsm and gps back to a working state Oct 05 22:06:27 removed frameworkd etc Oct 05 22:06:59 Strange: on the map of tangogps I am positioned about 200 m from the place where I actually are. Should gps not be almost pin point acurate? Oct 05 22:07:27 sicu: i've installed frameworkd from fso unstable feed but didn't test it with my sim card Oct 05 22:07:42 haha Oct 05 22:07:54 lesouvage: Yes, but the earth's crust moves... ;) Oct 05 22:08:17 (surely the FR's gps is accurate!) Oct 05 22:08:24 lesouvage: well... Oct 05 22:08:28 lesouvage: several issues. Oct 05 22:08:39 A) People tag sometimes from yahoo satellite imagery. Oct 05 22:08:47 This can be on rare occasions kilometers off. Oct 05 22:09:01 B) Accidental drags of map elements - it happens. Oct 05 22:09:16 C) GPS may be not working very well. Oct 05 22:10:26 Or are you talking of google maps? Oct 05 22:10:51 and this all corelates to wether you chose the red or the blue pill Oct 05 22:11:21 It is funny, I see myself waking around in the neighbeirhood while I'm in the house. Strange is that it is a straight line of around 500 meters and I'm walking that line up and down. Oct 05 22:11:47 Ah - right. Oct 05 22:11:58 You've got a very restricted set of satellites you're connected to. Oct 05 22:12:06 Probably only 3 or 4. Oct 05 22:12:10 And a bad signal to those. Oct 05 22:13:15 Try moving outside. Oct 05 22:14:01 SpeedEvil: it is raining cats and dog (and animals) outside. Now way I'm going to walk :-) Oct 05 22:14:21 Or moving it next to a window. Oct 05 22:14:23 :) Perhaps an external GPS antenna would help. Oct 05 22:14:40 I need one of those myself, if I can ever figure out what sort of connector to get Oct 05 22:15:52 mwester: as far I kno it one of the extras you can order from a freerunner reseller. Oct 05 22:16:02 mwester: the mwe: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 I think Oct 05 22:17:28 mwester, lesouvage: yest, that one would work .... it needs to be a MMCX connector Oct 05 22:18:14 s/yest/yes Oct 05 22:19:58 what sort of antenna can you use with gps Oct 05 22:20:18 jones__: the above one I linked mwester to. Oct 05 22:20:48 jones__: where are you based as in the UK maplins do one for a fiver :) Oct 05 22:21:05 The above site ships you one for a fiver :) Oct 05 22:21:07 aberdeen Oct 05 22:21:31 noice,i get my freerunner tomorrow, i think my student loan could strectch an antenna too Oct 05 22:22:19 SpeedEvil: ooo cool :) Oct 05 22:30:13 Wonka: what zoom level should I download? Oct 05 22:30:28 depends Oct 05 22:30:36 biggest is useful Oct 05 22:30:54 that would be 17 with OSM Oct 05 22:31:14 i regularly use levels down to 14, sometimes 11 Oct 05 22:31:25 less big ones really not so often Oct 05 22:31:32 Wonka: 17 what? Oct 05 22:31:38 zoom level 17 Oct 05 22:32:00 but the less big levels might be useful when you want to get an overview over big regions Oct 05 22:32:28 I can choose from + 1 to +6 zoomlevels (400 mb download). Are we talking about the same? Oct 05 22:32:50 that's relative to the current zoom level Oct 05 22:33:03 SpeedEvil: wouldn't it be better with an omnidirectional gps antenna? seeing as the FR is a handheld device ... ? Oct 05 22:33:06 what you see on the screen is already downloaded Oct 05 22:33:11 sigius: that is moni Oct 05 22:33:49 SpeedEvil: true ... but they are getting cheaper =] Oct 05 22:33:54 Wonka : it a list with options not the maps itself Oct 05 22:34:16 lesouvage: so, if your current level is 11, and you download +1, it would download all level 12 tiles needed for what's on your screen now Oct 05 22:34:33 4 tiles Oct 05 22:34:49 lesouvage: if you download +3, it would download all tiles needed for what's on your screen now from level 12, 13, 14 and 15 Oct 05 22:34:49 you can now zoom once, and scroll in the area of the original screen Oct 05 22:36:10 btw, debian has a tangogps package too Oct 05 22:37:16 Wonka: thanks for the info. Oct 05 22:37:20 np Oct 05 22:38:00 Wonka: is there a debian image available to flash to the freerunner? Oct 05 22:38:16 don't know of any. Oct 05 22:38:19 an auto installer Oct 05 22:38:44 wouldn't be usable anyway, because you need more than 256MB for a minimal debian with X Oct 05 22:38:50 slaxxin: is it as easy as the term auto installer suggests? Oct 05 22:38:58 yes. Oct 05 22:39:08 it installs debian on your microsd Oct 05 22:39:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian Oct 05 22:39:54 get u some microscope eyegkasses to do it right Oct 05 22:40:47 lol Oct 05 22:41:08 just read past the command to install itt so u use the one to set up a fat partition Oct 05 22:41:29 then its auto Oct 05 22:42:12 first u have to make whatever didtro u have on flash to let go of the sdcard Oct 05 22:43:02 you could fit debian on the internal flash (barely) but apparently there was some issues with mmap and jffs2 Oct 05 22:43:31 (recall jffs2 is compressed) Oct 05 22:44:00 mjr is it killall qpe? Oct 05 22:44:32 what's the difference between passive and active gps antenna ? Oct 05 22:45:16 sigius: active have an amp inside. Oct 05 22:45:20 cu: Oct 05 22:46:59 SpeedEvil: ok, thx =] Oct 05 22:48:07 sicu it! Oct 05 22:48:24 :p Oct 05 22:48:44 Wonka: does debian it fits on a 512 mB sd card? Oct 05 22:50:56 depends on how much you want to install Oct 05 22:51:11 and not much else will fit Oct 05 22:51:49 * Wonka will try if he fits into his bed now... Oct 05 22:55:38 so, does the FR's GPS antenna entrance provide a DC voltage ... or is it not compatible with active GPS antennas? Oct 05 22:56:00 and what about Omnidirectional GPS Antennas ... or dows it not make any difference? Oct 05 22:56:30 sicu: the one I mentioned works wioth it. Oct 05 22:56:31 non-omnidirectional GPS antennas don't make much sense if not on a gps satellite, nor? Oct 05 22:56:59 since GPS satellites can be about everywhere in the sky Oct 05 22:57:17 Wonka: they make sense for research purposes - little else. Oct 05 22:57:37 Debian is coming to my freerunner :-) Oct 05 22:57:49 and afaik the FR can provide DC for active GPS antennas Oct 05 22:57:56 SpeedEvil: ok, thanks for the info =] Oct 05 22:58:23 The install script stopped :-( Oct 05 22:59:11 IIRC the debian archive is broken for arm for libcaca and therefore gstreamer and therefore fso framework dependencies Oct 05 22:59:25 the bug was fixed today Oct 05 22:59:30 okay Oct 05 22:59:45 and package with the fix has been built, it just hasn't reached ftp.debian.org yet Oct 05 23:00:17 bugs bugs bugs Oct 05 23:00:23 They're everywhere! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Oct 05 23:02:03 sicu: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas Oct 05 23:02:21 Dave, you should've known bettern than to buy 10 FR's if you do not like insects :p Oct 05 23:02:54 * Tig| ducks and covers Oct 05 23:03:04 Wonka: thanks =] Oct 05 23:03:36 SpeedEvil, Neo1973 recovered :-) Oct 05 23:03:58 :) Oct 05 23:04:05 I must admit that I used an external charger =/ Oct 05 23:04:21 Now it is charging with 500ma.... Oct 05 23:04:25 With USB. Oct 05 23:05:30 BBL. Oct 05 23:08:45 The debian install script shows a message: rdate: timeout connecting to time server". Oct 05 23:10:57 lesouvage: tcpdump? Oct 05 23:13:05 lesouvage, oh and yes, debian will (barely) fit on a 512MB card Oct 05 23:14:39 Speedevil Oct 05 23:19:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_and_Violet_Hilton Oct 05 23:19:21 oops Oct 05 23:19:23 so, does the FR's GPS antenna entrance provide a DC voltage ... or is it not compatible with active GPS antennas? Oct 05 23:19:34 Tehre is power supplied. Oct 05 23:19:40 By both FR and neo Oct 05 23:19:40 FR supports external active GPS ant Oct 05 23:19:49 yup Oct 05 23:20:18 recently bought a dirt cheap one Oct 05 23:20:38 how recent can i expect the image on my freerunner to be Oct 05 23:20:44 its delivered tomorrow Oct 05 23:20:47 though it's usage is limited to place on roof of car, if U have metallized windows Oct 05 23:21:10 jones__: never changed since first FR sold Oct 05 23:21:37 jones__: (unless your reseller updates image) Oct 05 23:21:48 AFAIK Oct 05 23:22:11 JOERG Oct 05 23:23:10 hi Dave! Oct 05 23:27:13 DocScrutinizer: ok, so i take it that cars with heat-reflective metal layers on the windshields will attenuate or block the signal from GPS satellites ? Oct 05 23:27:45 sicu: exactly. Same with GPS and any other radio Oct 05 23:28:50 DocScrutinizer: so where did you purchase yours? i take it the magnet was sufficiently powerful as you've tested it whilst driving ;] Oct 05 23:28:55 for other usecases, the internal GPS-ant should do a good job, once the SDcard issue is fixed by sw-patch and/or hw. No benefit from external gps-ant Oct 05 23:29:32 I actually didn't exactly *test* it. mompl for pointer... Oct 05 23:30:27 k, thx Oct 05 23:31:10 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290262992451 Oct 05 23:32:04 hope URL works for you Oct 05 23:32:50 DocScrutinizer: works fine .. thx =] Oct 05 23:33:04 Dr. Sicu Oct 05 23:34:03 what's up doc :p Oct 05 23:36:52 sicu: I couldn't even test as my car roof is AL, not FE ;-) Oct 05 23:37:06 sicu: anyway the nagnet is pretty strong Oct 05 23:39:44 DocScrutinizer: k, think i will try to get one with a 90° connector as someone stated in the wiki: Oct 05 23:39:47 'The 90 degree connector is very handy, the wire does not stick straight out the side of the FR so it's easier to hold in your hand with the cable attached. ' Oct 05 23:40:26 though messing with the FR whilst driving might not be advisable :p Oct 05 23:40:44 sicu: as stated above I don't see a viable usecase for "holding in hand" with GPS-ext attached Oct 05 23:41:37 sicu: you're talking phone call? It's actually forbidden in EU Oct 05 23:41:46 good point Oct 05 23:41:56 and maximum messy with a lot of cables attached Oct 05 23:42:38 no matter whether straight or 90° connector ;-) Oct 05 23:43:54 i wouldnt talk whilst driving ... has been illegal for wuite some time .... but you never know, during long drives i could be tempted to play some NumptyPhysics on the Fr :p Oct 05 23:44:13 lol Oct 05 23:44:59 why not use FR's IR-nightsight feature to go thru the fogg at 220km/h ;-) Oct 05 23:45:18 ...while playing numpty Oct 05 23:45:23 :o Oct 05 23:45:57 or mayby drive by instrument, using GPS only ;-) Oct 05 23:46:30 so that's probably a viable usecase for 90° connector Oct 05 23:48:03 also won't drop out that easily as a straight connector, when you crash Oct 05 23:48:17 lol ... exactly, so a 90° connector it is =] Oct 05 23:48:39 hmmm, sarantel are giving away free samples: https://samples.sarantel.com/ Oct 05 23:49:02 nobody ever gives away anything for free Oct 05 23:49:38 U're sure they don't want your vitae and a drop of blood? Oct 05 23:49:52 DocScrutinizer: sure they do. Oct 05 23:50:19 hehe ... they can have my good-for-nothing blood Oct 05 23:50:22 mattl: gve for free, or want blood? Oct 05 23:50:34 give things away for free. Oct 05 23:51:42 sicu: next day a nice guy knocks your door and asking you whether you are smoker and have both kidneys still ;-) Oct 05 23:51:52 haha Oct 05 23:52:27 Or you get a finish-of-contract notice from your insurance/boss/whomever... Oct 05 23:55:44 sicu: or (depending) some DEA guy informing you to look for a less nasty dealer ;-) Oct 05 23:55:53 hehe Oct 05 23:56:06 maybe i'll keep my blood for now Oct 05 23:56:17 better idea :-) Oct 05 23:56:58 even keep your data like bithday, number of credit card etc. Oct 05 23:57:59 secrets1 Oct 05 23:58:04 Scary Oct 05 23:58:05 recently it became public German Telekom lost 14 million customer data records - even of very prominent guys :-D Oct 05 23:58:09 Joerg, what are you plotting!? Oct 05 23:58:11 Evil germans! Oct 05 23:58:44 Joerg, I didn't know Germans sucked at databases :P Oct 05 23:58:56 lost means they were offered on gray market for advertisment and other purposes Oct 05 23:59:38 :O :O :O Oct 05 23:59:42 oh, as in, leaked? Oct 05 23:59:47 yup Oct 05 23:59:50 or sold Oct 05 23:59:55 Those fuckers! Oct 05 23:59:58 Dude, they're evil! Oct 06 00:00:06 yup, so nobody asked to buy - allegedly Oct 06 00:00:27 probably there are cheaper better datasets around ;-) Oct 06 00:00:46 with blood-group and account number - lol Oct 06 00:02:42 If you can't find in EU, go ask USA. They have a collection covering the whole world ;-) Oct 06 00:03:43 and US-citicens file cases to be included in this database, if accidentally they missed on it :-D Oct 06 00:05:00 :D Oct 06 00:05:11 oh great :P Oct 06 00:05:14 ssssh joerg Oct 06 00:05:18 stop giving them useful information Oct 06 00:05:23 they could be listening to us now! Oct 06 00:05:55 * mwester makes a note that Dave suspects him. Oct 06 00:06:15 mwester: lol Oct 06 00:07:34 Actually what amazes me is just how much info people make available on themselves, voluntarily. Just note how many people have C.V.s/Resumes online on their home website... Oct 06 00:08:41 mwester: you're supposed to, to get a GPS-ant for free Oct 06 00:09:22 nah, actually if you released previously (prematurely), it's worth nothing Oct 06 00:09:59 anyone try out qtextended 4.3.3? I can't seem to find the dialer.... Oct 06 00:10:05 nobody will give away a 5$ GPS-ant for publically available C.V. Oct 06 00:10:31 Recent flash of inspiration: has anyone thought to hook gsmd up to JACK on incoming/outgoing calls? Oct 06 00:10:57 for what purpose? Oct 06 00:11:19 To allow more than one audio source to go into it, or take from it. Oct 06 00:11:34 Recording calls on the fly, "background music", hold music, automated systems, etc. Oct 06 00:11:46 DMIX/DSNOOP [ALSA] will do Oct 06 00:12:20 no need for JACK Oct 06 00:12:22 Only if gsmd presents itself as an audio device... I'd think Oct 06 00:12:43 nope, GSM audio is *analog* Oct 06 00:12:58 you can route to wolfson ADCs Oct 06 00:13:20 and record via ALSA (or playback to it other way round) Oct 06 00:13:28 and you could just pipe in an app directly to gsmd? Oct 06 00:13:33 App's audio, I mean. Oct 06 00:13:35 And back. Oct 06 00:14:04 sure, set up arecord to record from ADC, and here you go Oct 06 00:14:21 Without playing audio on the phone itself? Okay Oct 06 00:14:40 yup Oct 06 00:15:49 you've to setup mixer to route mic to GSM as well as to ADC. I actually did, to debug buzz issue Oct 06 00:16:22 there are even different ways to do (setup mixer) Oct 06 00:16:22 * FxChiP nods Oct 06 00:25:07 So what's the latest and the greatest? Oct 06 00:25:17 Joerg, what's new in the hardware world? Oct 06 00:28:25 Dave: a yodel activated lamp ^^ Oct 06 00:29:04 the "yodeller"? Oct 06 00:31:26 :D Oct 06 00:31:30 Man Oct 06 00:31:44 they're just mocking me because of my ingenuitive design ideas Oct 06 00:32:15 You've never told me what you're building with 29 Freerunners and all those cables... Oct 06 00:32:33 Neo-beo? Oct 06 00:33:11 :D Oct 06 00:33:16 Neowulf? Oct 06 00:33:22 yup Oct 06 00:33:55 :) Oct 06 00:33:58 Muwahahaha Oct 06 00:34:03 we already considered this, for a 10k series of broken devices ;-) Oct 06 00:34:39 though forunately it's never been actually produced Oct 06 00:34:45 Actually I mentioned to sicu and friends the other day, an application which would control the screen brightness and vary it in real-time based on noise-level as detected by the microphone Oct 06 00:35:07 Actually, with the addition of a small USB hub and power source, the FR is a very nice hobbyist machine... Oct 06 00:35:08 sure it's a rather impractical application, but could be migrated to other things for useful purposes! Oct 06 00:35:10 nice useless idea? Oct 06 00:35:20 Isn't it? :) Oct 06 00:35:29 Well I also had the idea for a smart-clapper Oct 06 00:35:45 :P Oct 06 00:35:56 I'd like to share one of my pat.pend. ideas: adjust ringer volume depending on mic-level sampled during silence of ringer Oct 06 00:36:23 yeah Oct 06 00:36:27 or call volume level Oct 06 00:36:36 Makes sense... ring more loudly when the baby is screaming. Oct 06 00:36:54 lol, that's a feedback probably Oct 06 00:37:21 haha no Oct 06 00:37:37 same as in Alps, FR sensing his own echo and getting louder and louder Oct 06 00:37:44 -_- Oct 06 00:37:52 :\ Oct 06 00:38:02 avalanche!!! Oct 06 00:38:15 * Dave ducks for cover Oct 06 00:38:29 question: i am having problems building because i have an undefined reference to pthread_create, how ought i correct this? Oct 06 00:39:01 include possix-threads lib ? just a rough guess Oct 06 00:41:53 Well I also had the idea for a smart-clapper -- unfortunately we don't have any irq-source from audio level, so you have to run CPU sampling AD all the time - no suspend :-/ Oct 06 00:42:48 for ringer volume that's different, as you can start AD on inbound call Oct 06 00:44:00 with voice recognition, one could have it check, so if it hears your boss talking, it doesn't ring. :) Oct 06 00:44:12 Of course, one might need a bit more CPU for that... Oct 06 00:47:08 mwester_: I'm not sure about that. Moto-Q and some Nokia et al doing even speaker-independent voice recognitions *without training*. Detecting speaker seams somewhat less demanding Oct 06 00:49:00 amazing! you're pressing button, tell "call joerg", and it responds with correct action though never has learnt about the pronounciation of j-o-e-r-g Oct 06 00:49:35 Now that would be tough! Oct 06 00:49:52 it's actually working! Oct 06 00:50:37 tested on a moto-Q and a N95 Oct 06 00:51:42 Samsung SGH-i900 winddof-mobile doesn't know about speech at all :-( Oct 06 00:52:10 DocScrutinizer: i am going in to the autogenerated Makefile and adding -lpthread after each gcc instance. this includes under CC, CCDEPMODE, and CPP ... does this sound reasonable? Oct 06 00:52:19 though moto-Q is same OS supposedly Oct 06 00:53:14 DocScrutinizer: at worst it seems to not error out in compilation... Oct 06 00:53:17 I'm no expert to those topics. But pthread is about possix, that's what I know. maybe as mwester Oct 06 00:53:30 thanks Oct 06 00:53:35 ask Oct 06 00:54:32 mwester: i went into the autogenerated Makefile of my program and added in a -lpthread after every instance of gcc. i didn't download any special libraries... just added -lpthread. and it compiles... is there anything i should do differently? Oct 06 00:57:51 so if you get no compiler errors, what's the problem? undef symbol on runtime? Oct 06 01:09:42 DocScrutinizer: i ended up just including "-lpthread" as my project libs... but im getting a funny error when i try to make into an ipkg: "error: package name contains illegal characters, (other than [a-z0-9.+1] Oct 06 01:11:55 check the line throwing that error! I'd guess it contains a "*" due to no matching expansion Oct 06 01:12:36 DocScrutinizer: i'm not provided with a line number unfortunately Oct 06 01:13:21 set -vxyBLA? Oct 06 01:14:56 or a nice "trap" command? Oct 06 01:23:38 can the program not have capital letters in it? Oct 06 01:24:36 ?? Oct 06 01:24:59 [a-z0-9.+1] means nope Oct 06 01:25:21 usually lin names a all-lc Oct 06 01:25:27 lib* Oct 06 01:27:36 hello, does anybody know how to make the "terminal" keyboard of illume the default illume keyboard? Oct 06 01:27:39 balrog-k1n: so when you develop your program is all lowercased? Oct 06 01:28:23 wakwe: well, it's name, yes Oct 06 01:28:29 * balrog-k1n is off Oct 06 02:04:40 fortunately i finally got the app on the openmoko device... however its commandline based, is there options i can give it under "categories" in build to let it know that it should be run through terminal? Oct 06 02:31:46 hello, does anybody know how to make the "terminal" keyboard of illume the default illume keyboard? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 02:59:57 2008