**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 12 03:14:13 2008 Oct 12 03:20:24 anyone know which file to edit to make the wifi not automatically start when the phone boots? Oct 12 03:20:34 om2007.2 latest upates, btw Oct 12 03:31:38 http://planet.openmoko.org/ Oct 12 04:40:58 anyone tried shr yet? Oct 12 04:44:09 * dufflebu1k sticks to 2008.9 Oct 12 04:52:56 * undrwater has image ADD Oct 12 05:15:15 shr? Oct 12 05:21:21 Is there still any hope of using the Neo1973 as an operational phone? Oct 12 05:22:51 works pretty durn well as a regular phone. Oct 12 05:24:15 Qtopia supports it very nicely indeed. Qt Extended supports it too, although there are a few bugs that are annoying in the current release. FSO currently supports the Neo, and intends to continue to support it. Oct 12 05:24:39 As a matter of fact, it seems that the only distros that don't support the Neo any more is the one from Openmoko. Go figure. Oct 12 05:28:51 Bring on Paroli . Oct 12 05:29:25 mwester, you mean .. Qtopia is the best option to use the Neo? Oct 12 05:29:38 If you are looking for a phone, yes. Oct 12 05:30:53 mm.. interesting Oct 12 05:31:31 MrShleee: I am right out of optimism anymore, when it comes to Openmoko promises for user-space stuff. Pretty much everything they have touched is a disaster. So when it comes to Paroli, IMO it's just words on an email thread until I see it running, and running reliably. :) Oct 12 05:36:35 mwester, too difficult to get Qtopia working? Oct 12 05:39:02 araujo: No problem at all to get it working. Oct 12 05:39:28 Qtopia (and Qt Extended, the newer version of it) both work very well. Oct 12 05:43:31 mmmmmmmm... Oct 12 05:43:34 * araujo thinking thinkg Oct 12 05:43:47 to buy or not to buy ... that's the question Oct 12 05:53:57 So, Mwester Oct 12 05:54:15 Guess what I acquired this evening? Oct 12 05:55:54 A copy of Microsoft Office Enterprise 2007 ?> Oct 12 05:56:08 * mwester has aquired one of those this afternoon. Oct 12 05:56:38 actually no Oct 12 05:56:44 A box full of PDAs :D Oct 12 05:58:43 Cool. Oct 12 05:58:54 old iPaqs? Oct 12 05:59:02 the grayscale ones Oct 12 05:59:57 uhh Oct 12 05:59:57 no Oct 12 06:00:01 actually they're relatively new Oct 12 06:00:23 just my friend's office upgraded to latest I guess so they were going to toss all the slightly antiquated ones Oct 12 06:00:29 one of them is even new I think :D Oct 12 06:00:41 Well, what are they? Oct 12 06:00:43 I was like, _I_ think I may have a use for them... >:) Oct 12 06:00:48 I'll find out tomorrow man :) Oct 12 06:00:50 * mwester taps his foot impatiently! Oct 12 06:00:52 aww Oct 12 06:01:09 I'm tired, and it's box full of their chargers too, so it's a wirey mess Oct 12 06:01:25 at least now I'll never run out of styluses :p Oct 12 06:01:26 * mwester is saddened everytime perfectly good equipment is dumpstered by businesses. :( Oct 12 06:01:58 yeah Oct 12 06:01:59 hey Oct 12 06:02:07 That's how I got a STACK of dell latitudes, back in the day Oct 12 06:02:13 and half of them are still going! Oct 12 06:02:23 granted I harvested several to forge a few good ones ;) Oct 12 06:02:24 but yeah Oct 12 06:02:33 it's like, oh, this one's missing a power cord... IT'S BROKEN Oct 12 06:02:37 * undrwater looks for the dumpsters Oct 12 06:02:38 oh no! Oct 12 06:03:49 searching ebay with the keywords "broken", "parts", and "not working" is another good way to get stuff cheap. Oct 12 06:03:57 oh hell yes Oct 12 06:04:16 it's funny, someone gave me a BRAND new HP laptop recently Oct 12 06:04:19 because the screen was cracked Oct 12 06:04:21 :( Oct 12 06:04:40 but the displays are expensive, a couple or few hundred dollars even online Oct 12 06:04:44 Dunno about HP, but on the Dells it's trivial to swap a screen. Oct 12 06:05:09 but the GOOD news was, ironically, I had a working matrix, it was intact, only actually screen was cracked Oct 12 06:05:24 so it was like an hour or two of my time + $50 for just the screen :P Oct 12 06:05:34 and some fun Oct 12 06:05:51 * mwester needs to leave and get some sleep. Oct 12 06:05:52 yeah, their fucking display assembly was kind of crazy and unintuitive Oct 12 06:06:09 I'm always afraid to break things when the hinge assembly is reverse mounted with screws on each side Oct 12 06:06:17 Mwester, agreed :) Oct 12 06:06:36 Let us reconvene tomorrow. Oct 12 06:06:38 later... Oct 12 06:06:43 I'll check out the PDAs tomorrow ;) Oct 12 06:28:02 http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-treo-650.avi Oct 12 06:28:06 http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-freerunner.avi Oct 12 06:28:08 grrr, qtextended not waking out of boot :( Oct 12 06:28:13 er, suspend Oct 12 07:56:58 mwester: Hopefully the community and OM can agree on a single uboot solution/kernel.. the gui/software seems clustered Oct 12 08:44:44 The Best Online RPG / Strategy game ever : http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 Oct 12 08:53:34 hi guys! I've a strange question for you. I've a device with 2G and 3G data module with openmoko-dialer installed. Openmoko-dialer does not make any call but if checks for network coverage and so on. Does this may mean that the modules inside my device have phone module too? Is there any way to check? I don't know openmoko.dialer but maybe it makes come check before running. Thanks Oct 12 09:48:35 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0f631a3dfa37 10/ (framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py setup.py): Oct 12 09:48:35 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Call update in the idle loop Oct 12 09:48:35 freesmartphone.org: This makes sure dependent subsystems are loaded before we try to access Oct 12 09:48:35 freesmartphone.org: them. Oct 12 09:48:35 freesmartphone.org: Also add missing etc yaml files. *Please* add new config files to the Oct 12 09:48:39 freesmartphone.org: build system! Oct 12 10:26:10 Do SDHC cards work in Neo 1973? Do I have any chance of getting a 8 GB microSDHC card to work? Or at least, 8 GB microSD card (if I manage to find one)? Anyone tried? Oct 12 10:27:56 78 works Oct 12 10:27:57 8 Oct 12 10:28:08 I don't think anyones tested 78 yet Oct 12 10:29:03 I've got 4 in - so that definately works. Oct 12 10:29:51 I'd like to use openmoko 2008.x on my Freerunner but am not too happy with the look of the default UI (basicly I think its ugly) . I'd much prefer an qtopia or openmoko 2007.x UI. Is it possible to switch UIs ? Oct 12 10:30:05 Easy. Oct 12 10:30:06 SpeedEvil: On 1973 and not FreeRunner? Is that 4 GB SDHC or SD? Oct 12 10:30:08 Just flash it. Oct 12 10:30:22 thrashold: there are no 4G nonSDHC Oct 12 10:30:29 sigi: easy Oct 12 10:30:53 SpeedEvil: Well, I have one (though, it is not 'micro' version, so I can't test it in the phone) Oct 12 10:30:53 sig\: If what you flash will work as well, ... Oct 12 10:30:56 Anything 4+ GB is SDHC Oct 12 10:31:16 thrashold: not completely true, you could make an adaptor in principle. Oct 12 10:32:13 SpeedEvil: this wouldn't be nice... Oct 12 10:34:16 SpeedEvil, To be clear here ,I do not want to flash the qtopia or 2007.x distribution, I still want to use 2008.* just with another UI (analogous say to switching from kde to gnome on my linux desktop ) Oct 12 10:35:17 As I understand it - there were quite major changes which would make that very tricky. Oct 12 10:35:27 I think you'd have to do significant coding. Oct 12 10:36:05 I haven't really investigated it in enough detail that I can comment accurately though. Oct 12 10:36:52 SpeedEvil, Ok, so not without some work then Oct 12 10:37:00 SpeedEvil, too bad, thanks anyway Oct 12 10:37:29 I think so - you could probably put it in a chroot on sd, and get it to sort-of-cohabit - but I don't know how well if at all that would work. Oct 12 10:55:50 my gps keeps freezing my freerunner... is there any logs of this ? Oct 12 11:30:16 Na-Gateaux: freezing? Oct 12 11:32:21 SpeedEvil: yep, after a random time of use, nothing seems to respond (and usb0 interface is not working anymore) Oct 12 11:32:40 woops, not @SpeedEvil, but @lindi >< Oct 12 11:34:14 The keys are right next to each other. Oct 12 11:34:45 yep :) Oct 12 11:34:57 and this is exactly the same length Oct 12 11:35:35 Na-Gateaux: how can gps do this? Oct 12 11:35:49 Na-Gateaux: it's a separate chip that talks to arm over serial Oct 12 11:36:12 Are you sure it's not just suspending? Oct 12 11:50:06 guy Oct 12 11:50:08 +s Oct 12 11:50:14 we have a new site Oct 12 11:50:18 www.opkg.org Oct 12 11:50:25 yeah, saw that, it's COOL! Oct 12 11:50:25 it's a site like getdeb Oct 12 11:50:31 it's fantastic Oct 12 11:50:37 we need to upload some packages Oct 12 11:53:06 right! Oct 12 11:55:18 isn't that what the community repository is for? Oct 12 11:57:57 samgee: partly yes I guess but opkg.org gives the software more visibility Oct 12 11:58:56 Hire: does that offer source code? Oct 12 12:00:26 my problem with getdeb is that it's less trusted Oct 12 12:00:41 I wonder how trusted community repo and opkg.org is Oct 12 12:08:38 Can I use dfu-util from a 64bit System with 32bit compability? Oct 12 12:08:49 how about making it 64-bit safe? Oct 12 12:08:54 yes Oct 12 12:09:08 lindi-: I thought dfu-util was broken for 64 bit systems. Oct 12 12:09:16 cnwdup: yeah, so how about fixing it? ;) Oct 12 12:09:28 Where wAnd where can I read about the recent changes to the u-boot so I know wheather I should flash u-boot? Oct 12 12:09:35 lindi-: I think that's a little beyond my knowledge. (-: Oct 12 12:10:21 hmm, the debian dfu-util package has no bug about this Oct 12 12:10:32 even though they offer it for amd64 Oct 12 12:12:25 dfu-util works fine on amd64 systems Oct 12 12:30:55 /quit Oct 12 12:31:09 lindi-/SpeedEvil : woops I went to eat so I'm only answering now ... no it's not suspending, the screen just freeze Oct 12 12:53:28 hy everybody Oct 12 12:58:01 I have a question about the toolchains. I want to get our game running and we need only gcc and sdl. When I create a ipkg package will it run everywhere? I mean the people might use Om 2008.9, FDOM or Qt Extended 4.4.1. Do they all use the same packaging system? Oct 12 13:07:25 i am preparing a comparison of the FR with other phones.. for use in disaster management Oct 12 13:07:43 anyone suggest phone names? Oct 12 13:08:42 AJuOnLiNE|sh: Tel. Oct 12 13:08:52 iPhone and Android G1 are two that i have on list Oct 12 13:09:01 AJuOnLiNE|sh: Using OpenMoko as an example of disastrous management? ;) Oct 12 13:09:27 * AJuOnLiNE|sh politely directs CM to ajuonline.net/academics Oct 12 13:09:50 mattl: what model is that ? Oct 12 13:29:59 I just read that in the qtopia distri does not have x and runs in framebuffer mode. But the 2008 also has qtopia but based on x? Is that right? Oct 12 13:36:58 wizkoder: right Oct 12 13:39:22 In "a-distros-filesystem.jffs.summary" , whats does the 'summary' extension indicate ? Oct 12 13:40:03 maybe the included files? Oct 12 13:40:14 is it a big file? Oct 12 13:40:26 if not try to open it with an editor Oct 12 13:41:23 bipak: Its is slightly bigger than the jffs2 file (48M vs 49M in my case) Oct 12 13:41:32 oops :) Oct 12 13:56:01 Hire :) Oct 12 13:58:59 ahoi Oct 12 13:59:42 yes Oct 12 14:10:52 if I would like to use framebuffer (I heard that sdl can use it) I guess my game would run faster. But is it possible to rotate the screen there? X can do that. Framebuffer also? Because the game has a resolution of 640x480. Oct 12 14:11:49 wizkoder: unlikely to run appreciably faster Oct 12 14:11:56 if u do it right Oct 12 14:12:06 u are rendering to an offscreen (in ram) buffer anyway Oct 12 14:12:13 then all u do is copy that to the fb Oct 12 14:12:17 xshmputimage does just that Oct 12 14:12:19 in x Oct 12 14:12:21 no extra copies Oct 12 14:12:44 it is a myth (in general) to think that fb-base stuff is faster Oct 12 14:12:54 do it right in x and it'd the same Oct 12 14:13:15 trust me on it - i've spent over a decade proving it repeatedly :) Oct 12 14:13:49 raster: hi there Oct 12 14:13:57 good to know :-) Oct 12 14:13:59 Kensan: yow Oct 12 14:14:06 raster: how are things coming along? Had a good sunday? Oct 12 14:14:12 So I guess I will head for the 2009 distri. Which has everything I need :-) Oct 12 14:14:14 http://www.rasterman.com/ Oct 12 14:14:20 u can read up on my sunday Oct 12 14:14:39 * Kensan fires up firefox Oct 12 14:17:18 hmm how does om2008.9 play the ringtone on incoming calls? I somehow broke it... in the settings "ring and vibrate" is activated. any idea where the problem could be? Oct 12 14:17:40 * LaF0rge now has an upstart-0.5.0 based fso image for some experiments Oct 12 14:17:54 with mplayer I can play the ringtone.wav. so its not an alsa problem Oct 12 14:18:14 wrok Oct 12 14:18:41 Is there some kind of first class documentation about the 2008.09 release? The wiki seems to be related to 2008.8 or even prior. Oct 12 14:20:15 LaF0rge: faster boot? (i doubt it though... not much) Oct 12 14:20:45 raster: nice writeup Oct 12 14:20:52 raster: wrok harder! do the images make calls? ;-) Oct 12 14:21:05 LaF0rge: are you looking into speeding up boot time? Oct 12 14:21:43 kensan: that's not the primary goal. just to get things more organized Oct 12 14:21:47 raster: btw, the link to "BobOfDoom" is broken. Oct 12 14:22:33 LaF0rge: ah I see. I wrote an email to devel on saturday regarding boot time optimization, maybe you caught that... Oct 12 14:22:55 dammit, no phone.. very pretty though Oct 12 14:23:16 toggles_w: someone elses problem to make calls Oct 12 14:23:17 :) Oct 12 14:23:28 I hope at least Graeme will respond... Oct 12 14:23:47 ooh bugger Oct 12 14:24:00 raster: its pretty, pretty enough i'll trade you my gf (pretty blonde) for an image that will make calls? ;-) Oct 12 14:24:35 toggles_w: does she come with a "dont make calls" switch? Oct 12 14:24:36 :) Oct 12 14:24:52 raster: lol Oct 12 14:24:59 toggles_w: you can install all the phone stuff or anything you want for that matter since the illume-image is based on openembedded. Oct 12 14:25:43 Kensan: in theory, i just have a slight suspiscion that opkg install zhone wont work Oct 12 14:25:46 ;-) Oct 12 14:25:57 LaF0rge: Organized in the sense, that the various fso daemons interact with upstart? Oct 12 14:26:38 kensan: yes. Oct 12 14:26:59 kensan: and in a way that there can be preferences for what things to start (like portmap, etc.) Oct 12 14:27:04 ok Oct 12 14:27:06 links fixed Oct 12 14:27:23 raster: wrok harder.. Oct 12 14:27:32 I'm busier than ever with wrok I am doing for clients. Oct 12 14:27:44 LaF0rge: sounds very reasonable. I recall having talked to mickey about the use of upstart some time ago. Oct 12 14:28:22 wrok Oct 12 14:28:23 damint Oct 12 14:28:25 wrok! Oct 12 14:28:37 wrok harder! add zhone ;-) Oct 12 14:28:47 LaF0rge: starting/stopping things when they are (not) needed should give a whole lot of flexibility. I guess this could also be beneficial for power management. Oct 12 14:29:31 toggles_w: no. not qdding it. i like my image being small withotu zhone starting up on boot and without frameworkd chewing most of my cpu whenever i touch the screen Oct 12 14:29:34 will wait for that to settle Oct 12 14:29:37 and really Oct 12 14:29:43 zhone is just a test ui Oct 12 14:29:54 i know, i'm just yanking your chain Oct 12 14:32:30 hey raster Oct 12 14:32:32 hey toggles Oct 12 14:32:45 Dave: sorry. i can't do that dave. Oct 12 14:34:02 raster: it will take me a bit longer to send some boottime patches since I was not able to do anything besides catching up on mails and mailinglists this weekend and curing my cold :( I hope I will get some time next week. Oct 12 14:34:30 Kensan: no problem Oct 12 14:34:38 i have.. as usual.. been busy myseof Oct 12 14:34:41 myself Oct 12 14:36:14 raster: it seems everybody expects that of you ;) Oct 12 14:36:25 hey dave Oct 12 14:38:11 LaF0rge: I noticed your posting to om-kernel and that hw-ecc was on your todo list. Did you get a chance to take a look at that? There was some discussion after zecke posted his patches but then it quietly died down without any visbile result... :( Oct 12 14:38:35 in the FR Hardware specs "256 MB integrated flash memory " means the ROM . right? Oct 12 14:40:47 Kensan: i've gotten used to it. to the point where.. were i not busy.. id' be bored Oct 12 14:40:48 :) Oct 12 14:43:04 AJuOnLiNE|sh: it's not ROM since you can write to it Oct 12 14:44:03 raster: or drining and eating for 12 hours ;) Oct 12 14:44:09 drinking Oct 12 14:45:05 lindi-: while trying to compare the FR with other phones, which have ROM in their specs. how do I put this forward? Oct 12 14:45:19 woo Oct 12 14:45:20 lindi-: they are also writeable ? Oct 12 14:45:24 hahahah Oct 12 14:45:24 time to check out these PDAs :D Oct 12 14:45:31 ok Oct 12 14:45:33 snoozie time Oct 12 14:45:37 time for the big Z! Oct 12 14:46:02 it's 256MB NAND FLASH Oct 12 14:46:22 raster: ok gnight. Will ping you again when I have something. Oct 12 14:46:59 AJuOnLiNE|sh: hmm? Oct 12 14:47:01 yes it's writeable Oct 12 14:47:17 lindi-: 128 MB RAM / 256 MB ROM this is what theG1 specs have Oct 12 14:47:48 don't many have the OS/Apps in ROM so you can't change them? Oct 12 14:48:01 or no anymore? Oct 12 14:48:12 yes but they can be flashed with the latest firmware. no? Oct 12 14:48:28 i did that with my Nokia E51 few days back Oct 12 14:48:55 AJuOnLiNE|sh: no idea about G1 Oct 12 14:49:01 okk Oct 12 14:50:49 AJuOnLiNE|sh: do you know that android isnt as open as openmoko? Oct 12 14:51:39 zash: yes. Oct 12 14:51:44 i flashed my SE t610 yesterday Oct 12 14:52:58 it's even slower that my FR Oct 12 14:53:07 s/that/than Oct 12 14:55:54 zash: i am trying to justify my selection of the FR and doing a comparison for the project I am working on. Oct 12 14:56:27 AJuOnLiNE|sh: okay Oct 12 14:58:34 AJuOnLiNE|sh: android: sandboxed java. openmoko: whatever you want Oct 12 15:00:13 zash: Java apps work on majority of the mobiles? Oct 12 15:00:46 AJuOnLiNE|sh: but, android apps wont work on anything else Oct 12 15:01:03 AJuOnLiNE|sh: its not the same java as on other phones Oct 12 15:01:08 that == crap Oct 12 15:01:44 and if i write a Java app to work on the FR, it would work on other phones too? Oct 12 15:02:17 duno Oct 12 15:02:48 but, in theory Oct 12 15:03:09 hows the java mobile-vm doing? Oct 12 15:03:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java Oct 12 15:03:50 i last read, it worked on Debian Oct 12 15:04:13 raster, here for one question? :) Oct 12 15:05:32 AJuOnLiNE|sh: if the java vm works on openmoko, then i guess you can write a generic java me-app and it will work Oct 12 15:05:43 but i am no java expert Oct 12 15:09:02 zash :o Oct 12 15:09:10 Dave: :0 Oct 12 15:31:52 stupid palm Oct 12 15:32:46 i hope it's not hairy Oct 12 15:33:14 palm -> face ;) Oct 12 15:33:29 ouch Oct 12 15:33:43 facepalm.jpg? Oct 12 15:36:49 haha Oct 12 15:36:50 no Oct 12 15:36:53 Palm Oct 12 15:37:18 What am I suppose to do with palm zires :[ Oct 12 15:38:18 Dave: is the flat connector between the pcb and the plug at the bottom broken? Oct 12 15:41:49 huh? Oct 12 15:41:51 no... Oct 12 15:42:28 i have a zire 71 Oct 12 15:42:36 disassembled Oct 12 15:44:11 oh! Oct 12 15:44:13 heheh :p Oct 12 15:44:22 zash, is that what happened to yours? Oct 12 15:45:45 http://tokiolapalm.cool.ne.jp/giken/030429zire/zire04.jpg Oct 12 15:46:30 the connectorthingy betwen the camerabutton+bottom external connetor Oct 12 15:46:33 :o Oct 12 15:46:39 oh snap Oct 12 15:46:43 yes Oct 12 15:47:03 opening and closing it eventualy breaks it Oct 12 15:47:43 :( Oct 12 15:47:49 anyone know how to install zhone via opkg? Oct 12 15:48:01 openening and closing the device? (housing) Oct 12 15:48:07 because it stretches/breaks the cable? :p Oct 12 15:49:10 Dave: no, to use the camera you slide it out Oct 12 15:49:14 oh yeah I see that now :P Oct 12 15:49:18 I just tried it :D Oct 12 15:49:26 so that eventually breaks it? Oct 12 15:49:38 yes Oct 12 15:49:44 what a shitty design Oct 12 15:49:47 indeed Oct 12 15:50:02 Well, other than that, how did you find the device? :p Oct 12 15:50:05 assuming you used it. Oct 12 15:50:21 a friend left it where i worked and said i could take it Oct 12 15:51:02 oh, heh Oct 12 15:51:13 new cable costs nothing Oct 12 15:51:16 but the shipping .. Oct 12 15:51:19 well maybe they learned their lesson, because the zire72 seems to alleviate that problem Oct 12 15:51:35 zash, well, I have a BOX full of fucking zires, apparenrtly Oct 12 15:51:40 coul Oct 12 15:51:41 71's and various 72s Oct 12 15:51:48 that I just received similarly from someone Oct 12 15:51:54 most apparently work fine though Oct 12 15:51:58 I'm just not sure what to do with them Oct 12 15:52:01 install linux! Oct 12 15:52:05 openmoko? Oct 12 15:52:13 :P Oct 12 15:52:16 could work Oct 12 15:52:21 might be stupid? Oct 12 15:52:33 is there a particular version which is best suited for it? Oct 12 15:52:40 I mean, I'm sure it's no treo, but still... Oct 12 15:53:04 "144 MHz TI OMAP310 Processor" Oct 12 15:53:21 :O Oct 12 15:53:24 oh snap Oct 12 15:53:26 :D Oct 12 15:53:32 not bad Oct 12 15:53:56 is that comparable with neo1973? Oct 12 15:54:43 hmm, I don't think so Oct 12 15:55:01 but i'm uninclined to use openmoko, actually :p Oct 12 15:55:04 imagine that. Oct 12 15:57:21 The core distro used by FSO, Om, etc is Angstrom --- Angstrom also runs on the Zire 71 IIRC. Google "opie" I think... Oct 12 15:57:41 hah, there's a zire 31 as well :p Oct 12 15:57:42 cute Oct 12 15:57:53 Mwester, cool Oct 12 15:58:01 Then I'm sure it'll run on the 72 as well, right? Oct 12 15:58:15 But seriously, what the fuck am I suppose to do with 24 for these!? Oct 12 15:58:27 ebay Oct 12 15:58:36 hahaha Oct 12 15:58:42 zash, want one? :P Oct 12 15:58:51 or two? Oct 12 15:58:51 yes Oct 12 15:58:53 :P Oct 12 15:59:19 IMAGINE A BEOWULF CLUSTER OF THOSE Oct 12 15:59:25 O_O Oct 12 15:59:34 I'd rather one with my freerunners, but yeah, okay :) Oct 12 15:59:39 beomoko Oct 12 15:59:45 I should write a wiki page on that Oct 12 15:59:48 beozire? Oct 12 15:59:53 hehe Oct 12 16:00:02 could be interesting :) Oct 12 16:00:34 lol Oct 12 16:00:47 I wonder if they can be modified... Oct 12 16:00:57 a cluster of zires to compile stuff for your freerunner Oct 12 16:01:02 rofl Oct 12 16:01:04 :D Oct 12 16:01:15 or use as display extenders Oct 12 16:01:16 and then a cluster of freerunners to compile shit for your pc :p Oct 12 16:01:21 zash! Oct 12 16:01:22 lol Oct 12 16:01:31 sweet Oct 12 16:01:41 I wonder how difficult that would be to interface... Oct 12 16:01:48 while the 71 i had lived i used is as a tv remote Oct 12 16:01:55 hah Oct 12 16:01:57 that's it? Oct 12 16:02:01 hey dave Oct 12 16:02:06 and had some games on it Oct 12 16:02:06 I used to use my palm100 for that Oct 12 16:02:11 yeah, same here Oct 12 16:02:16 how's your weekend going? Oct 12 16:02:24 too fast Oct 12 16:02:41 lint, we were just discussing what I could do with my box full 'o palm zires Oct 12 16:02:49 read up, it's amusing Oct 12 16:03:17 simple, force them into retail market iphone cases and sell them on ebay as iphones Oct 12 16:03:21 zash, I wonder how difficult it'd be to use the displays on them in such a way Oct 12 16:03:28 haha Oct 12 16:03:35 The thought DID cross my mind... Oct 12 16:03:54 ieatlint: why not just get a bunch of iphone boxes and sell them Oct 12 16:04:00 "The new not yet released iPhone 4G!" Oct 12 16:04:00 :P Oct 12 16:04:05 sweet Oct 12 16:04:10 iPhone Z! Oct 12 16:04:10 ieatlint: as long as it says "this is just a box, no iphone" Oct 12 16:04:14 yeah Oct 12 16:04:20 people pay good money for that Oct 12 16:04:29 zash, try it, and let me know what your state's AG says about it Oct 12 16:04:46 heh Oct 12 16:04:56 or whatever the swedish equiv is :P Oct 12 16:05:01 ag? Oct 12 16:05:06 I wonder how good the camera on it is... it says it's only 1.3M :| Oct 12 16:05:20 Dave: zire 71 has VGA Oct 12 16:05:30 I have a bunch of 72's as well Oct 12 16:05:34 they look slightly improved. Oct 12 16:05:36 attorney general... it's who americans call when they've been defrauded Oct 12 16:05:49 either that, or GHOSTBUSTERS Oct 12 16:05:52 unless they're wusses, and just call the bbb Oct 12 16:06:01 heh Oct 12 16:06:11 hey, fuck you, lint :) Oct 12 16:06:20 I hope no one called them on openmoko Oct 12 16:06:25 lol Oct 12 16:06:30 oh wait, they're in teh .cn Oct 12 16:06:33 ieatlint: if it says "this is only a box" Oct 12 16:06:35 lucky them Oct 12 16:06:36 i don't think openmoko has made any lies Oct 12 16:06:42 openmoko is tw Oct 12 16:06:47 no, just come short on MANY "promises" Oct 12 16:06:56 lint, close enough Oct 12 16:07:01 zash, that wouldn't fly here Oct 12 16:07:15 they won't extradite the developers >:) Oct 12 16:07:17 haha Oct 12 16:07:27 that would be funny though Oct 12 16:07:32 have an openmoko court Oct 12 16:07:43 if you sold it for a price similar to what one would pay for the iphone, then it would be reasonably argued that you had an intent to defraud the party, even if you put a disclaimer Oct 12 16:07:47 and have a ruling on which distro will proceed from here on out Oct 12 16:08:07 the laws are to protect the consumers, who often lack common sense :) Oct 12 16:08:14 ieatlint, well you're safe on ebay, but clearly it's shunned behavior, because YES, the intent IS to defraud Oct 12 16:08:23 yeah, remember, americans are stupid Oct 12 16:08:28 and people in general :) Oct 12 16:08:35 indeed Oct 12 16:08:45 http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/101208/doing-something-dumb.gif Oct 12 16:08:47 but lint, it's funny though because on occasion I actually sold the boxes of stuff Oct 12 16:08:48 but we all know that awesome story from ebay about the ps2 box Oct 12 16:08:53 just the boxes, for say $5 Oct 12 16:09:07 and some of them were actually valuable for whatever reason (like the PS3 box or something) Oct 12 16:09:12 so someone bought it for $50! Oct 12 16:09:21 and here i threw my ps3 box away :( Oct 12 16:09:25 (probably with the intent to defraud someone online for $300) Oct 12 16:09:31 but I did think that far ahead :P Oct 12 16:09:42 i have a shrinkwrapper too, that's how i defraud Oct 12 16:09:48 haha Oct 12 16:09:52 naughty naughty :p Oct 12 16:10:01 (i seriously do have one) Oct 12 16:10:12 It's good for bodies, too. Oct 12 16:10:20 ¬_¬ Oct 12 16:10:50 this one isn't big enough for bodies Oct 12 16:10:56 unless you break it up first Oct 12 16:10:58 so is there some component adapter for the zire? Oct 12 16:11:01 lint >:) Oct 12 16:11:17 you could bundle drugs, money, small animals, etc Oct 12 16:11:25 iPhones... Oct 12 16:11:42 i dunno, their egos might be too big Oct 12 16:11:47 hahaha Oct 12 16:11:54 i believe you get more for shrinkwrapped bodyparts, than you do for the whole body =] Oct 12 16:11:54 fucking dickhats :p Oct 12 16:12:03 haha sicu Oct 12 16:12:05 sicko Oct 12 16:12:08 more like in china Oct 12 16:12:09 hehe Oct 12 16:12:15 nice and fresh! Oct 12 16:12:17 where they have soups for that kind of thing Oct 12 16:12:22 haha Oct 12 16:12:26 though honestly, the germans strike me as being more bloodthirsty Oct 12 16:12:28 :P Oct 12 16:12:33 Especially 'round these parts. Oct 12 16:12:51 just because there was that huge sex/cannibalism case does not mean all germans enjoy the taste of human flesh Oct 12 16:13:07 uh huh Oct 12 16:13:10 arguably, most germans likely don't even know if they do, having not had the opportunity to try Oct 12 16:13:19 yeah well Oct 12 16:13:21 we'll see... Oct 12 16:13:22 this is why i vote libertarian Oct 12 16:13:27 ;p Oct 12 16:13:45 if i want to sell my deceased loved ones for food, i should damn well have the right to Oct 12 16:14:01 hahahah Oct 12 16:14:13 :) Oct 12 16:14:19 We even have a pirate party here in Sweden ;) Oct 12 16:14:23 :D Oct 12 16:14:34 not as impressive as the paedophile party in holland Oct 12 16:14:41 haha Oct 12 16:14:43 pp ftw! Oct 12 16:14:45 :D Oct 12 16:14:53 zash: Which pp? Oct 12 16:14:53 ehm Oct 12 16:14:54 :P Oct 12 16:14:58 CM: the pirate one Oct 12 16:15:01 winnar? Oct 12 16:15:03 Hehe Oct 12 16:15:23 hehe, yeah, here's to hoping you aren't cheering for paedophilia Oct 12 16:15:32 So, anyway, what to do with 24 zires? Oct 12 16:15:43 Dave: give them to me ;) Oct 12 16:15:45 hmmm Oct 12 16:15:47 haha Oct 12 16:15:57 that's not as creative as some of the other responses :p Oct 12 16:16:03 but certainly one option :) Oct 12 16:16:10 zash, do you have a lot of TVs? Oct 12 16:16:11 :P Oct 12 16:16:14 i'm not familiar with them Oct 12 16:16:18 do they run linux? Oct 12 16:16:25 ieatlint, yeah, mwester mentioned it above Oct 12 16:16:28 Dave: no, none actualy Oct 12 16:16:37 Dave: internet > tv Oct 12 16:16:42 < mwester> The core distro used by FSO, Om, etc is Angstrom --- Angstrom also runs on the Zire 71 IIRC. Google "opie" I think... Oct 12 16:17:13 zash, huhu Oct 12 16:17:21 144mhz... damn, that fast! Oct 12 16:17:26 I was just about to say, there's nothing but crappy american football on tv here Oct 12 16:17:30 lint, impressed? Oct 12 16:17:32 that meets the minimum requirements to run windows 2000 Oct 12 16:17:37 ROFL Oct 12 16:17:48 uh oh Oct 12 16:17:50 except for the whole arch issue Oct 12 16:17:55 I don't like where you're headed with this... :) Oct 12 16:18:21 yeah, i dunno what to suggest Oct 12 16:18:29 now, if you had 24 newtons... Oct 12 16:19:18 so they're zire 71s? Oct 12 16:20:20 if they had bluetooth, you could place them throughout an area and track people who had bluetooth devices using a triangulation method that has been explained to me twice but i still don't understand Oct 12 16:21:20 freerunner has bt, right? Oct 12 16:21:22 lint, not all Oct 12 16:21:33 some of them are various 72 models Oct 12 16:21:47 yes, fr has bt Oct 12 16:21:51 lint, bluetooth eh... sounds interesting Oct 12 16:21:58 lint, wouldn't wifi me more practical? :P Oct 12 16:22:10 as to what use you would have for that info... i dunno Oct 12 16:22:33 do they have wifi? Oct 12 16:22:47 things with wifi dont have it on all the time? Oct 12 16:23:12 you could also use the bt as a "content delivery system" .. pushing messages to nearby phone with open bt Oct 12 16:24:46 * zedstar likes BT traffic logging Oct 12 16:25:55 i managed to cut my lip... i would discourage others from trying it, it's quite bloody and annoying Oct 12 16:26:20 :X Oct 12 16:26:21 eww Oct 12 16:26:23 gross Oct 12 16:26:31 lint, stop bleeding all over yourself... Oct 12 16:26:36 I'm sure it's rather disgusting. Oct 12 16:26:38 and messy Oct 12 16:27:00 I hope you didn't cut yourself on your debian freerunner ;) Oct 12 16:27:13 don't let your FR get a taste for your blood ... you'll be doomed Oct 12 16:27:24 i don't run debian Oct 12 16:27:46 lol Oct 12 16:28:02 yeah, i had heard of the freerunner's thirst for blood Oct 12 16:28:58 yeah, and debian tends to bleed you ;p Oct 12 16:29:00 heh heh Oct 12 16:29:03 Hey Zilla :) Oct 12 16:29:08 Ey Oct 12 16:29:11 :] Oct 12 16:29:18 hoe is het, vriend? Oct 12 16:29:25 Uhu :D Oct 12 16:30:10 hoest met jou dan? Oct 12 16:30:17 oooh, costco has $700 off a pool table Oct 12 16:30:23 goed, blijkbaar Oct 12 16:30:28 lint :O Oct 12 16:30:52 Lint, 700 off? then how much is it down to!? Oct 12 16:30:57 $2.5k Oct 12 16:31:07 Lint, did I ever tell you about the summer I tried to make one? Oct 12 16:31:13 lol Oct 12 16:31:18 that doesn't sound good Oct 12 16:31:19 ;) Oct 12 16:31:28 hey, I still have all my limbs intact! Oct 12 16:31:33 it can't be THAT bad... right? :P Oct 12 16:31:38 and fingers? Oct 12 16:31:47 yes, all elev... ten. Oct 12 16:31:53 :) Oct 12 16:32:13 hehe... Oct 12 16:32:47 Anyhoo, it wasn't bad, I tried to get away without having to purchase a slab of slate, for the table. Oct 12 16:32:57 since that's the primary cost. Oct 12 16:33:07 but also what makes the table, so to speak :P Oct 12 16:33:23 yeah, hehe Oct 12 16:33:38 just use particleboard, it's essentially the same thing.. Oct 12 16:33:41 yeah Oct 12 16:33:46 I used uhh, shit, what's it called Oct 12 16:35:52 It's really similar, just stronger and more durable. Oct 12 16:36:08 how about plexiglass on wood Oct 12 16:37:35 heh Oct 12 16:37:37 that'd be hot Oct 12 16:37:43 and possibly roll pretty good Oct 12 16:37:55 or perhaps acryllic, which is stiffer Oct 12 16:38:14 yeah my only concern with a cheaper substitute was warping Oct 12 16:38:26 especially being exposed to humidity Oct 12 16:38:31 ahh, yeah.. Oct 12 16:38:40 but hey, for the price I DIDN'T PAY to construct it... Oct 12 16:38:40 shouldn't leave on the east coast man Oct 12 16:38:46 I could just as cheaply make another? Oct 12 16:38:50 live Oct 12 16:38:50 hahaha yeah :p Oct 12 16:38:52 heh Oct 12 16:39:02 I mean shit, you can make a really ghetto table for $200 Oct 12 16:39:07 WE proved it could be done! Oct 12 16:39:11 lol Oct 12 16:39:18 let EPA know! Oct 12 16:39:20 I called it an "outdoor" table :P Oct 12 16:39:22 rofl Oct 12 16:39:27 maybe even PETA Oct 12 16:39:28 spread the word Oct 12 16:39:31 haha Oct 12 16:39:43 hehe, nah, east palo alto Oct 12 16:40:03 hahaha Oct 12 16:40:09 dude Oct 12 16:40:16 some kid would jack it from me :\ Oct 12 16:40:30 and yet, leave me in my expensive car... Oct 12 16:40:35 strange youngsters these days... Oct 12 16:40:48 EPA has shaped up though Oct 12 16:40:48 first time i saw "used tires" for sale was in epa... Oct 12 16:40:55 though there's still no lack of weaponsfire :) Oct 12 16:41:00 haha Oct 12 16:41:05 Something new for you, I take it :P Oct 12 16:41:05 epa.. kinda, they're still ghetto as hell Oct 12 16:41:11 oh hells yeah Oct 12 16:41:19 but now they've got banners that say it! Oct 12 16:41:23 classy... :P Oct 12 16:41:27 the first time i saw "used carpet" for sale was in stockton, heh Oct 12 16:41:52 mmm... carpet Oct 12 16:42:02 they probably got most of the bloodstains out :) Oct 12 16:42:09 lol Oct 12 16:42:44 police auctions ftw! :P Oct 12 16:46:20 I wonder if I can make use of all these palm displays Oct 12 16:46:30 and extend them together Oct 12 16:49:16 * Dave por Zilla Oct 12 16:49:33 * Zilla slaat terug Oct 12 16:49:43 :D Oct 12 16:49:45 achtung panzer Oct 12 16:49:50 o.O Oct 12 16:49:57 zash: niets! Oct 12 16:50:13 does any of the distros that support FR allow you to _export_ contacts in a easily reimportable format? Oct 12 16:50:23 it appears that qtopia doesn't Oct 12 16:50:39 or alternatively, allow you to save contacts to the SIM instead of /home/ Oct 12 16:50:39 yeah, it's sad because I'm not sure if any of them do that :P Oct 12 16:50:46 heh Oct 12 16:50:50 also that Oct 12 16:50:53 fuck Oct 12 16:50:58 we need a STANDARDS COMMITTEE Oct 12 16:51:03 and not composed of dolts Oct 12 16:51:09 and/or clods Oct 12 16:51:12 so how am I supposed not to ditch all my contacts every time I switch or upgrade the system? Oct 12 16:51:19 just use the vcf format for contacts ;) Oct 12 16:51:28 a pim storage system is already written, but not integrated Oct 12 16:51:33 Zilla: and how do you export vcf? Oct 12 16:51:35 or your simcard Oct 12 16:51:39 i dont know Oct 12 16:51:50 Zilla: ok, how do you save contacts to the sim? :-) Oct 12 16:52:00 well. with soma at-commands Oct 12 16:52:01 :| Oct 12 16:55:05 g~. Oct 12 17:02:15 quickdev :] Oct 12 17:02:25 Zilla, ja, but some are broken :[ Oct 12 17:02:34 finally Oct 12 17:02:36 sqlite3 ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite .dump Oct 12 17:02:41 well i didnt know that Oct 12 17:02:52 then I just need to parse the SQL gibberish Oct 12 17:03:04 but at least I can call my friends now, gee Oct 12 17:03:28 well storing your pim and contact info in a sqlite database is a great idea :D Oct 12 17:04:26 :D Oct 12 17:04:46 if only it worked this way (or even the same way) on all the distros -_-; Oct 12 17:06:16 Zilla, have a look at http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=tree;f=opimd;h=9b0a12f773dec891aab8af78cc56e3bf1b78dda6;hb=HEAD Oct 12 17:06:32 ieatlint, how's your lip? Oct 12 17:06:51 ill have alook ;) quickdev Oct 12 17:26:48 stupid question : how do you mount jffs2 image ? (or at leat get the files inside...) Oct 12 17:27:23 ... how random, my question is VERY related to your's NaGateaux Oct 12 17:27:41 NaGateaux: have you tried to follow the wiki instructions? Oct 12 17:27:51 not yet, I've just found them Oct 12 17:28:10 NaGateaux: let me know how that goes cos its not workin for me Oct 12 17:28:54 anyone know why /dev/mtdblock0 would not exist? Oct 12 17:29:40 isnt it dynamically created? Oct 12 17:29:51 maybe the disk wasnt detected Oct 12 17:30:01 hmm Oct 12 17:30:05 i guess if you dont have mtd kernel support loaded, the device node will not show up Oct 12 17:30:12 or maybe you just need to create one using mknod Oct 12 17:30:16 IIRC, that happened when partitioning destroyed my SD card Oct 12 17:30:30 real_ate: try "mknod /dev/mtdblock0 b 31 0" Oct 12 17:30:30 it happened with a transcend card Oct 12 17:30:32 some older drivers do not automatically create device entries in the filesystem Oct 12 17:30:50 seems to be fine on my computer Oct 12 17:31:06 can you mount it and write to it on the computer? Oct 12 17:31:18 NaGateaux: trying that now Oct 12 17:33:35 ... ok.... now i'm getting an error "unknown filesystem type jffs2" Oct 12 17:33:54 i know i've done this before on the same laptop Oct 12 17:34:15 y'ove got to install mtd-tools Oct 12 17:34:24 you've* Oct 12 17:34:38 (this is the package name for debian/ubuntu) Oct 12 17:36:53 NaGateaux: still got the same error Oct 12 17:42:57 weird, once I installed mtd-tools jffs2 became a valid FS Oct 12 17:44:18 i don't believe it ... google has never heard about the "unknown filesystem type 'jffs2'" error Oct 12 17:44:21 :( Oct 12 17:44:52 am i doing anything hugely wrong here? Oct 12 17:45:07 hi guys Oct 12 17:45:57 hi zoff99 Oct 12 17:46:09 real_ate: what is your distro ? Oct 12 17:46:27 ubuntu Oct 12 17:46:49 i've done this thing before on this exact computer Oct 12 17:47:04 but i just don't know what is wrong/different now Oct 12 17:47:30 sucks to be you >< Oct 12 17:47:31 i have the 2008.8 distro and i like to change what happens when i press AUX oder Power button Oct 12 17:47:47 can anyone tell me where this is configured? or compiled into? Oct 12 17:48:12 :( boo Oct 12 17:48:21 real_ate: try depmod maybe Oct 12 17:48:26 real_ate: or reboot... Oct 12 18:04:09 rebooted to try again Oct 12 18:04:41 what was that command that makes the mtdblock again? Oct 12 18:05:04 what are you trying to do real_ate? Oct 12 18:06:11 finger: its ok... i was chatin to someone a sec ago who was helpin me with mounting jffs2 problems Oct 12 18:06:17 i've rebooted and its ok now Oct 12 18:06:21 ah ok Oct 12 18:07:32 :D Oct 12 18:16:47 Is the OpenMoko project manager in here? Oct 12 18:16:55 How about any of the active developers? Oct 12 18:17:40 who is the project manager? Oct 12 18:17:56 Tetracomm: what is your need? Oct 12 18:18:37 omgwtfzxires Oct 12 18:19:06 I want to know if it is possible to use the OpenMoko's USB port to communicate with other USB powered devices like computers do? Oct 12 18:19:11 its dace the project manager Oct 12 18:19:12 Dave: I have no idea what you're saying but I have to agree Oct 12 18:19:31 Tetracomm: and why you asked project manager or active developers? Oct 12 18:19:37 dave* Oct 12 18:19:53 I thought they would know the most about that, or at least about making that possible. Oct 12 18:19:54 Tetracomm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host Oct 12 18:20:01 Thank you. Oct 12 18:20:04 slaxxin? Oct 12 18:20:05 on sunday? Oct 12 18:20:08 Tetracomm: don't ask to ask, it's a waste of time Oct 12 18:20:11 Tm_T :) Oct 12 18:20:16 * real_ate likes to be helpful Oct 12 18:20:35 Wonderful. :) Oct 12 18:20:38 This is good. Oct 12 18:20:41 just blurt out the Question dont be shy Oct 12 18:20:50 Not many phones have that, right? Oct 12 18:21:02 yeah, ask slaxin, he's a huge noob :D Oct 12 18:21:02 no, not any IIRC Oct 12 18:21:09 he knows what he's talking about :P Oct 12 18:21:16 Wonderful. Oct 12 18:21:21 I must have one of those phones. Oct 12 18:21:21 thats me im a user not a dev Oct 12 18:21:56 i do know a few answers Oct 12 18:22:01 very few Oct 12 18:22:22 anyone got any opinion what qt 4.4 is like on freerunner? Oct 12 18:22:39 i use it at the moment Oct 12 18:23:03 is there a way to emulate qt firmware on a pc? Oct 12 18:23:21 battery life is much advanced over openmoko at the moment Oct 12 18:23:23 slaxxin: cool! :D does anyone give out to you about not being able to call you Oct 12 18:23:33 Zilla: like .. KDE? Oct 12 18:23:51 Zilla: or the phonethingy in qemu Oct 12 18:23:53 no the openmoko firmware but than emulated Oct 12 18:23:59 yes Oct 12 18:24:03 How fast is the Neorunner processor? Oct 12 18:24:12 phone sometimes sound does not work after resume Oct 12 18:24:15 Tetracomm: 400Mhz ARM Oct 12 18:24:17 Anyone able to tell me why dialer/contacts/messages won't start on 2008.9? What are the commands to try them on cli to see error messages? Oct 12 18:24:20 Ok. Oct 12 18:24:28 i couldnt find a great tut on how to install om firmware on qemu Oct 12 18:24:59 rawr zilla Oct 12 18:25:22 slaxxin: sound how? like ring tone sound? Oct 12 18:26:17 well thesound will stop " when u dial out no ringing is heard in the earpiece of the freerunner Oct 12 18:26:22 rawr? Oct 12 18:26:36 but its not allthetime problem Oct 12 18:26:56 and the ringtone to Oct 12 18:27:14 for an incoming call or outgoing call Oct 12 18:27:23 :D Oct 12 18:27:46 but the battery stays up much bettrt/longer Oct 12 18:28:38 has someone figured out how to run random images in qemu yet? Oct 12 18:28:41 and documented it Oct 12 18:28:45 it seems that if this problem occurs on most of the os for the neo Oct 12 18:29:10 i dont know about debian Oct 12 18:29:56 Hello zash! Oct 12 18:30:06 hello Oct 12 18:32:01 the last time i tried makefile instructions for Ubuntu i got nothing working :-/ Oct 12 18:32:16 it loaded the non-working copy o qtopia Oct 12 18:32:21 after downloading like 800 mb? Oct 12 18:37:51 Mwester - appear! Oct 12 18:38:50 careful what you wish for... Oct 12 18:42:38 D: Oct 12 18:45:27 hello, is there a battery monitor for debian, if no in what app(preferably Python ) should i look into in order to make a quick and dirty one Oct 12 18:45:43 Dave: quick Q: opinion about Plasma (KDE4 thingy) in OM Oct 12 18:46:20 I have no idea Oct 12 18:46:23 I don't do KDE Oct 12 18:46:34 and don't want it in OM Oct 12 18:46:41 but sure, it might be cool... Oct 12 18:46:51 Sorry if I wasn't of much help on that topic :) Oct 12 18:46:55 TM_T screenshots? Oct 12 18:48:15 Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-gbF1rgb4 Oct 12 18:48:58 Tm_T, the youtube video of plasma on one of the openmoko phones doesn't work for me(mabe it's because i use youtube-dl || greasemonkey+video player) Oct 12 18:49:28 GNUtoo-desktop: interesting, though, cannot help, I rarely touch youtube Oct 12 18:50:24 Works for me. And I'm waiting Tm_t to help plasma to be usable on OM :) Oct 12 18:50:54 is there plasma in debian? Oct 12 18:51:56 Q: anyone got a clue of how many freerunners have been sold worldwide up to date ? Oct 12 18:53:28 GNUtoo-desktop: yes, you can install KDE4 on Debian. I don't know if there's an arm port and how does it work. Anyone want to try :)? Oct 12 18:53:41 ouch ... plasma was laggy on neo, but cool =] Oct 12 18:54:03 sicu: the old hardware, sure Oct 12 18:54:03 sigi: over 5000 but not many times that was the answer today on the mailing lists Oct 12 18:55:20 * AJuOnLiNE|sh wishes other manufacturers went open too with their phone specs Oct 12 18:56:16 -_- Oct 12 18:56:17 uggh Oct 12 18:56:23 TmT, don't send me stupid flash :P Oct 12 18:57:14 Dave: awww, anyway, Plasma is a framework to make small applications, widgets if you like Oct 12 18:57:27 where do I look for updated information? not to mention authentic. Oct 12 18:57:38 earlier someone told me here, that wiki is outdated Oct 12 18:57:39 Tm_T: Why not using swfdec? Oct 12 18:57:47 rhkfin: ok thanks Oct 12 18:57:51 CM: erm? Oct 12 18:58:04 To play the flash? Oct 12 18:58:15 CM: it's working fine here, sir Oct 12 18:58:25 Ah, ok Oct 12 18:58:27 :) Oct 12 18:58:46 Just saw that you said doesn't work for me(mabe it's because i use.. Oct 12 18:58:56 Tmmt, sounds cute, I suppose... Oct 12 18:59:12 Dave: not cute, powerful (:) Oct 12 18:59:23 sigi: so I suppose over 10 000 anyway.. Oct 12 18:59:34 Dave: whole KDE4 desktop is running on top of Plasma, but, it can be less, it can be more Oct 12 18:59:36 What about Tichy? Oct 12 18:59:59 Dave: anyway, you should use tab, you fail to hilight me now Oct 12 19:00:19 You fail to spell correctly. Oct 12 19:00:28 Dave: I do (:) Oct 12 19:00:38 :) Oct 12 19:00:40 * Tm_T has rocket-high loads Oct 12 19:03:54 yahoo? Oct 12 19:04:07 yahoo? Oct 12 19:04:49 wahoo? Oct 12 19:05:18 ok, I don't know how to play this game Oct 12 19:05:34 zahoo? Oct 12 19:05:50 * zash hoo Oct 12 19:10:02 rhkfin, how many space does kde4-minimal takes? Oct 12 19:10:13 2 spaces Oct 12 19:10:38 space space? Oct 12 19:10:40 userbase and one beneath it Oct 12 19:11:04 Tm_T, MB Oct 12 19:11:09 Dave: =D Oct 12 19:11:20 sorry for my bad english Oct 12 19:11:29 GNUtoo-desktop: ah, let me see... Oct 12 19:11:30 :D Oct 12 19:11:56 I have no idea.. I'd guess it'd be better to install on µSD than in the flash Oct 12 19:12:08 rifk rifk Oct 12 19:12:31 rhkfin, i have 2GB microsd...making space for kde4-minimal...removing openoffice(that doesn't work) and abiword Oct 12 19:13:06 :P Oct 12 19:13:06 GNUtoo-desktop: for debian I cannot say, prolly some hundred MBs Oct 12 19:13:14 ok Oct 12 19:13:42 GNUtoo-desktop: if you apt-get install kde4-minimal you'll see the required space before download I think? Oct 12 19:13:51 it does Oct 12 19:13:51 GNUtoo-desktop: i have a slimmed xubuntu that takes 1.8 GB Oct 12 19:13:59 damn, I wish I could get this camera driver to work properly Oct 12 19:14:00 rhkfin, ah yes...good idea Oct 12 19:14:01 zash: it's different =) Oct 12 19:14:30 Tm_T: ofc Oct 12 19:14:32 zash, any idea if the zire can stream vga? Oct 12 19:14:33 :p Oct 12 19:14:42 Dave: no Oct 12 19:14:45 i have no idea Oct 12 19:14:45 =[ Oct 12 19:18:46 http://rafb.net/p/RFA7Lo81.html Oct 12 19:19:00 Tm_T, ^^^ Oct 12 19:19:24 FSO M3 as well as self-built (stable) have crashing enlightenment... seems rather random, though the event "GSM connected" triggers it I think, together with printing a binary string in the upper right corner (name of provider?) Oct 12 19:19:42 trying to build unstable/autorev fails (no real surprise) Oct 12 19:19:45 GNUtoo-desktop: broken packages, hmm, try update packagelists? Oct 12 19:20:18 how to get more recent software (enlightenment in particular) on my neo before starting to report bugs? Oct 12 19:21:23 shit, I wish I knew how to turn this thing on :p Oct 12 19:21:49 Dave: "*taptaptap* is this mic on?" ? Oct 12 19:21:50 * SpeedEvil passes dave a book entitled 'Lapdancing for dummies'. Oct 12 19:21:55 Tm_T, you meant apt-get update? because i do not know well debian... Oct 12 19:22:02 GNUtoo-desktop: yes Oct 12 19:22:17 Tm_T, doesn't work Oct 12 19:22:34 what doesn't work? Oct 12 19:23:15 Tm_T, i update then i apt-get install kde4-minimal and it gives me the same error message Oct 12 19:23:57 GNUtoo-desktop: then broken packages, not much we can help Oct 12 19:24:12 Tm_T, ok...so mabe i'll wait for testing kde4 Oct 12 19:25:45 :) Oct 12 19:25:52 tm_t, more like plug it in first :D Oct 12 19:25:53 :P Oct 12 19:26:04 Dave: traditional (:) Oct 12 19:27:16 I've a problem with debian...first i want to say that i don't know well debian ...here's the problem: the packages are not customised for the freerunner: for instance mplayer isn't built with libmad...and it needs to be built with libmad to be able to use it...how is it possible to fix that? repositories priorities?(if we create one repo with customised things...) Oct 12 19:28:40 :D Oct 12 19:29:54 found why the youtube video didn't work: avaliable only as flash...and I was using best quality Oct 12 19:30:51 Kero: how does it crash? do you get a dialog? what does it say? Oct 12 19:32:35 hey - i just screwed the sound on my fr. which files do have to restore to have the default behavior back? Oct 12 19:32:58 It's FDOM Oct 12 19:33:17 so i guess it would be the same files for 2008.9 Oct 12 19:35:02 sicu: I get a dialog from enlightenment allowing me to Recover or Quit. Recovering works, for a while. then I get another of these dialogs Oct 12 19:36:47 GNUtoo-desktop: Now if you were to take debian packages, and customize them for the freerunner (or more generically for small embedded-type devices), how would the result of that be different from OE? :-) Oct 12 19:37:09 mwester: "uh, emmm, its debian!" Oct 12 19:37:11 * Tm_T hides Oct 12 19:37:50 mwester, the difference would be that you would have some customised packages like oe and the rest that there isn't in oe...i mean the huge quantity of packages... Oct 12 19:38:45 Ok, but wouldn't it be more effective to add the missing packages to OE, rather than re-invent all the infrastructure to break up and customize all those packages? Oct 12 19:39:18 mwester, how many packages has debian...and how many packages has oe... Oct 12 19:39:42 GNUtoo-desktop: stil Oct 12 19:39:58 yes...oe is great...but lacks packages... Oct 12 19:40:03 GNUtoo-desktop: What has that to do with my question? Oct 12 19:40:10 Add the packages to OE Oct 12 19:40:23 Kero: hmmm, not sure about that one Oct 12 19:40:24 ok... Oct 12 19:40:26 OE is the infrastructure you need to create the packages. Oct 12 19:40:41 Kero: looks like someone has similar problems in 2008.x: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1767 Oct 12 19:40:42 If you don't use OE, you will need to write that yourself to take all the debian packages, and re-configure them. Oct 12 19:40:51 So why not use what's already there? Oct 12 19:41:08 i'll power up my laptop and look what oe lacks... Oct 12 19:43:56 GNUtoo-desktop: That's fine, but my point has nothing to do with what's lacking; it is merely that the infrastructure to create smaller, tighter, customized-for-freerunner packages is OE, and regardless of how many pacakges there are in OE, that's where you would start if you wanted to convert the Debian pacakges in the fashion you desire. Oct 12 19:44:16 ok Oct 12 19:46:27 sicu: seems about as vague as mine... But I'll have to check if I get SIGABRT... Oct 12 19:46:46 i need a mentor! Oct 12 19:47:13 * AJuOnLiNE|sh gets highly confused Oct 12 19:47:19 mine is at least reliable enough, that I get it every time I boot... Oct 12 19:49:04 SEGV Oct 12 19:54:06 definitely after sending SIM; gsm daemon is up, I can call my neo (I can see "Incoming" and then "release" behind the Enlihtenment Error dialog!!) Oct 12 19:55:55 I'll make a new ticket. Oct 12 20:06:38 Does anyone know how long my neo survives in suspend mode? Oct 12 20:07:03 a long time Oct 12 20:14:19 Tm_T, about? Oct 12 20:14:34 I've got my phone for months but I haven't ever tried it Oct 12 20:15:06 lolol Oct 12 20:15:32 qt extended =2 days Oct 12 20:15:48 36 hours Oct 12 20:15:49 om 2008.9=1/2 day Oct 12 20:16:22 we need to test it with a testing kernel, however .. Oct 12 20:16:24 <[Rui]> slaxxin: that's without suspend? Oct 12 20:16:39 <[Rui]> slaxxin: because with suspend and om 2008.9 you get a white screen of death... Oct 12 20:16:56 well i dont get good battery with om Oct 12 20:17:23 never have gotten the wsod Oct 12 20:17:40 <[Rui]> slaxxin: what hw revision do you have? Oct 12 20:17:44 not even once Oct 12 20:17:56 05 Oct 12 20:18:04 <[Rui]> slaxxin: same as I do Oct 12 20:18:12 <[Rui]> slaxxin: and most people who complain about it Oct 12 20:18:28 really Oct 12 20:18:45 (same as I do) Sure ;-) There's nothing else ... Oct 12 20:18:49 ned to sell an get an 06 Oct 12 20:19:00 absolutely same hw Oct 12 20:19:06 00 Oct 12 20:19:51 i thought the 06 has a sim cap.. Oct 12 20:19:59 we changed PCB layout to streamline SMT process, that's nearly all Oct 12 20:20:07 between 3-4 Oct 12 20:20:11 nope, 07 has Oct 12 20:20:16 o Oct 12 20:21:01 <[Rui]> what's a SIM cap? (pardon my ignorance) Oct 12 20:21:23 capacitor Oct 12 20:21:24 main diff between 05 and 07 is the bigger C on Vsys, stopping "no boot without bat" issue Oct 12 20:21:36 10pF on SIM-slot Oct 12 20:21:38 the 3-4 sim soldering fix is for GPS interference? Oct 12 20:21:45 to stop GPS issue Oct 12 20:21:59 though that's fixed by kernel patch Oct 12 20:22:21 they still did the hw fix though? Oct 12 20:22:25 you actually nearly dn't need that C Oct 12 20:22:34 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: I hope the patch keeps existing for my hw's sake Oct 12 20:22:35 <[Rui]> :) Oct 12 20:22:48 yup, fab and TPE EE is *very* anxious and conservative ;-) Oct 12 20:24:07 I'll come up with a nice quick_and_dirty fix for the SD-card-C this evening... Stay tuned. Can be done without soldering Oct 12 20:24:32 o really Oct 12 20:25:34 not cerified to fix all GPS issues, but worth the 15min to give it a try. cost: ~$0.00001 ;-) Oct 12 20:27:20 * mwester checks the local electronics parts supplier for anything costing $0.00001 :-) Oct 12 20:27:20 (per fixed device though) Oct 12 20:27:28 lol Oct 12 20:27:38 + labor Oct 12 20:27:44 * mwester comes up with a very short length of wire. Oct 12 20:28:02 mwester: how much is 1/2 inch of scotch tape? Oct 12 20:28:34 scotch is expencive Oct 12 20:28:50 hmm... now I'm very curious to wee what you have come up with when you get this done... Oct 12 20:28:57 s/wee/see/ Oct 12 20:28:57 mwester meant: hmm... now I'm very curious to see what you have come up with when you get this done... Oct 12 20:29:00 mwester: makes a nice C of ~10pF, with a spring wire and some tin-fol ;-) Oct 12 20:29:00 eeeh... the GPS issue fix 10pF cap is on the microSD slot. not on the SIM slot. Oct 12 20:29:05 foil Oct 12 20:29:09 not as expensive as gekko tape http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/10/216243 Oct 12 20:29:40 yup, right. Was I lured in a mistake again? sorry Oct 12 20:30:15 Can't believe that omview really shows .nef (=nikon raw) photos! So cool! Oct 12 20:36:24 <_Bill_> ha.. figured out how to create a vcf from existing qtopia addressbook database.. Oct 12 20:36:44 put it in wiki Oct 12 20:37:20 <_Bill_> i have to simplify the process still.. but yeah.. once i get it plain enough, i'll do it.. Oct 12 20:39:51 <_Bill_> but basicly you send an email with your all contacts from addressbook without configuring email.. and then you can copy the email from Applications/qtmail and base64 decode it to vcf Oct 12 20:43:42 _Bill_: heh, nice work =] Oct 12 20:46:15 <_Bill_> my pleasure Oct 12 20:51:04 Hi, just a quick question, is gsm0710muxd complementary to gsmd or does it replace it? Oct 12 20:53:27 <_Bill_> complementary Oct 12 20:53:37 <_Bill_> iirc Oct 12 20:53:50 <_Bill_> but you should confirm from somewhere Oct 12 20:54:06 _Bill_: thanks Oct 12 20:55:19 morning Oct 12 20:57:04 any pdf reader for 2008.9? Oct 12 20:58:24 I think I saw evince available Oct 12 20:58:35 oh, ok.. Will check.. Oct 12 21:00:15 how would i connect to wifi with 29008.9 Oct 12 21:00:24 om2008.9* Oct 12 21:00:37 without downloading packages Oct 12 21:00:41 jones_: there're some problems AFAIK.. Oct 12 21:00:54 but on the command line: Oct 12 21:01:04 (no, wait, you can't get there, can you?) Oct 12 21:01:20 Do you have an usb-ssh connection to the phone? Oct 12 21:01:33 If yes, then iwconfig eth0 essid networkname Oct 12 21:01:38 yeah, but i cant get dns to resolv Oct 12 21:01:49 and udhcpc to get the IP Oct 12 21:02:08 Doesn't work on WEP/WPA.. Oct 12 21:02:13 only open networks.. Oct 12 21:02:19 so i really do need to know how to write corporate compatible wpa_supplicant.confs Oct 12 21:02:35 oh Oct 12 21:02:52 right :) Oct 12 21:04:04 jones_: Check this:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Oct 12 21:04:12 Might help you with usb networking Oct 12 21:04:50 i have, i couldnt get dns to resolve, but i could ping ip's Oct 12 21:05:02 im on a complicated uni network Oct 12 21:05:07 ok.. Oct 12 21:05:14 jones_: echo "nameserver 192.168.0.200" > /etc/resolv.conf Oct 12 21:05:37 jones_: if you have a dns server on your computer that is. Or put there a real nameserver Oct 12 21:05:59 yeah, i tried using, i think it was the opendns servers, got nothing Oct 12 21:06:11 wait, i remembered how to fix it... Oct 12 21:06:17 Are you able to use that dns normally from your computer? Oct 12 21:07:45 yeah Oct 12 21:08:07 i used the dns info from ubuntu, i'll do that Oct 12 21:08:10 has anybody here played with netbsd on the neo? Oct 12 21:08:11 thanks for the help Oct 12 21:11:46 evince ftw!! Oct 12 21:13:10 hmm no updates for quite long time :/ Oct 12 21:13:56 ls Oct 12 21:13:58 oops .) Oct 12 21:14:06 . .. Oct 12 21:14:30 heh :) Oct 12 21:45:20 lol gpe-filemanager crashes when it tries to access /media/card... Oct 12 22:22:39 mwester: r u there? Oct 12 22:23:39 mwester: still curious? look: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/SD-capacitor_GPS-fix/ Oct 12 22:24:42 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r4158cde5f714 10/ (17 files in 6 dirs): Oct 12 22:24:42 freesmartphone.org: - Updated ousaged specs. Implemented org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend() Oct 12 22:24:42 freesmartphone.org: - Implemented org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier. Oct 12 22:24:42 freesmartphone.org: - Added an handler in frameworkdHandler for Idle Notifier "State" signal. Oct 12 22:30:39 DocScrutinizer: haha, great work on the alternative capasitor gps fix =] Oct 12 22:30:47 gotta try that one out tomorrow =] Oct 12 22:33:05 make sure you didn't short any contacts on sd-holder! Oct 12 22:33:44 best: use a electronicsa voltmeter to check there's no 0-ohms between any two of the contacts! Oct 12 22:34:03 ok, will do, thanks for the warning Oct 12 22:36:12 just reflashed yesterday to an old backup image i have of 2007.2, which doesn't have the software gps fix ... will be interesting to check if this does the trick =] Oct 12 22:37:35 sicu: yup! please report on your findings. Either on [hardware]-ml, or directly to me (joerg@openmoko.org). Many thanks! Oct 12 22:38:39 DocScrutinizer: i certainly will ... thanks for the great info =D Oct 12 22:38:59 i always love these kinds of workarounds *g* Oct 12 22:39:24 hello Oct 12 22:39:35 i am looking for someone with a tad of GTK experience Oct 12 22:39:37 anyone around? Oct 12 22:55:06 DocScrutinizer: Cool. I actually have some sticky-backed copper foil tape i shall try that with. It's probably a bit thicker, hopefully there is clearance. Oct 12 22:55:55 mwester: no clearance, I had to bend the clips a little to make it lock Oct 12 22:56:31 Hmmm... ok. I may need to use aluminum (kitchen) foil then. I'll take a look. Oct 12 22:56:41 maybe when you make it a little smaller, not reaching 8mm up to the tip of springs Oct 12 22:57:55 also I used my SD-handle in parallel, this could make things worse ;-) http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/ Oct 12 22:58:19 another layer of sticky tape Oct 12 22:59:06 mwester: U've read my comment on voltmeter some lines up here? Oct 12 22:59:38 One could combine the two -- the foil could become the handle -- although that might make a short circuit rather easier. (Yes, I have a meter, and will test carefully!) Oct 12 23:00:34 nah, you can't. handle is one side (upper) of SDcard, capacitor hack is on body of holder Oct 12 23:01:00 Ah, I didn't look closely enough. Oct 12 23:01:20 But couldn't one put the foil on the top of the card? Oct 12 23:03:22 mwester: nope, it has to be close contact to the golden springs. It forms the capacitors with the thin doublesided sticky and the tinfoil Oct 12 23:04:24 * mwester notes the lightbulb over his head illuminates, as he finally understands that the foil is not just a sheild Oct 12 23:05:27 nope, it's actually exactly the 10pF fix, just with unusual capacitors :-) Oct 12 23:06:24 ;) And with some not-very-precise materials... :-D I wonder how tape works as a dielectric? Oct 12 23:06:40 just fine Oct 12 23:06:46 better than air I'd guess Oct 12 23:07:14 actually you got a lot of PVC-type capacitors Oct 12 23:07:28 with careful measurement you'd get to 30% or so. Oct 12 23:07:29 also PE Oct 12 23:07:38 More likely -50+100% Oct 12 23:07:52 in relation to what? Oct 12 23:09:52 the value you were shooting at. Oct 12 23:10:01 Might turn out the hacked "capacitors" are too *big*, then simply making the whole thing less high (up to spring tips) may mprove result Oct 12 23:10:26 Hmmm... is the foil actually electrically connected to anything, then? looks like it should be completely insulated top and bottom, now that re-read the page and observe carefully. Oct 12 23:10:33 SpeedEvil: -50+100 is pretty good Oct 12 23:10:55 yup, MUST be islated Oct 12 23:11:20 actually it's two capacitors in series (or nearly that) Oct 12 23:11:34 Good, then I understand correctly :) Oct 12 23:11:43 one of the springs VDD, another one GND Oct 12 23:12:09 and then some capacitance to each of the contacts, not just the clock. Oct 12 23:12:16 yup Oct 12 23:12:23 BTW that would work on the GTA01 as well, I think. Oct 12 23:12:29 xup Oct 12 23:12:32 yup Oct 12 23:12:32 different orientation, but the same connector. Oct 12 23:13:01 Ok, I have to go find some double-sided tape then. back later! Oct 12 23:13:10 * SpeedEvil hugs google. Oct 12 23:13:15 http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=permittivity+of+free+space*1m^2%2F1m&btnG=Search&meta= Oct 12 23:14:19 permittivity of free space*.0005m^2/.0005m Oct 12 23:15:33 2cm*1cm of .5mm thick polythene would yield 10pf Oct 12 23:15:50 If my numbers are right Oct 12 23:17:29 very interesting Oct 12 23:20:57 I just flash fso kernel and root file system and the device is booting for the first time. I read I need to be patient but how patient should I be, what time is a normal time for a first fso boot? Oct 12 23:21:26 np: Mariah Carey - Seven hours and fifteen days. Oct 12 23:21:38 no more than 2-3 minuits Oct 12 23:22:07 And sinead o'connor. Oct 12 23:22:38 slaxxin: thanks Oct 12 23:23:27 slaxxin : I see all kind of disturbing messages passing by and that is going on for around 10 minutes now. Oct 12 23:23:40 Emty flash at ........... Oct 12 23:23:45 well thats not good Oct 12 23:23:59 magic bitmask xxxxxx not found Oct 12 23:24:00 did u check the md5sum? Oct 12 23:24:04 etc. etc. Oct 12 23:24:20 SpeedEvil: we got much smaller area, but also much thinner dielectric Oct 12 23:24:52 capacitors are going to power the world Oct 12 23:25:07 slaxxin: no, I know I should do that but 99 out of 100 it goes well. I guess it is not a serious problem, just reboot and fash again. Oct 12 23:25:42 only takes a minuit to check the sum Oct 12 23:26:17 slaxxin: you are completely right, I shouldn't flash without checking the sum. Oct 12 23:26:21 lesouvage: clear flash before flashing new image. I seen that too some day - cleared flash and reflashed image -> works Oct 12 23:26:52 how do u clear flash?/ Oct 12 23:27:07 slaxxin: that was my question ;-) Oct 12 23:27:09 dunno exactly, sth with uboot console Oct 12 23:27:31 see wiki, it's mentioned there somewhere Oct 12 23:27:44 uboot console and nand erase rootfs Oct 12 23:27:47 with a new image of course:) Oct 12 23:28:14 slaxxin: problem is when new image is smaller than old one, IIRC Oct 12 23:29:04 hasnt ever bothered me before an i put several smaller images on after fdom Oct 12 23:29:12 When I donloaded the image for my freerunner it was a .tar.bz2 file. I bunzipt it and a .tar file remain. I assume that this is the image. Oct 12 23:29:52 Is this a right assumption? Oct 12 23:30:13 hey guys, i read about the gps issues and was wondering if those were resolved with the hardware solution... it still takes for me forever to get a first fix... anyone else has/had that issue? Oct 12 23:30:20 .bin,,, .jffs2 is what i use Oct 12 23:30:50 or .jffs2.summery Oct 12 23:31:17 but ima noob Oct 12 23:36:26 T-Mobile's 3G coverage is admittedly spotty, but Brodman promised that it will expand substantially by the official Oct 22 G1 launch and should be virtually nationwide by November. Oct 12 23:36:30 timur: first fix will always take a long time; it does on all gps devices that have nothing to assist them. So long first-fix times may persist even if you have the hardware and/or software fix. Oct 12 23:36:54 thats a big promise Oct 12 23:37:18 especially for a company that has very limited low-freq coverage to begin with! Oct 12 23:37:46 (they roam onto AT&T in rural areas frequently) Oct 12 23:38:08 mwester, when you say a long time, would that be on the order of 6+ minutes Oct 12 23:38:08 ? Oct 12 23:38:18 i tried to use a t-mobile phone(prepaid) an they didnt have any phone #"s for arkansas Oct 12 23:38:42 timur: :) It could be far longer than that. My garmin can take longer than that on a cold start. Oct 12 23:38:50 timur: for a first fix that is not unusual Oct 12 23:39:12 mine was 3-7 minuites Oct 12 23:40:15 * mwester_ has had 20+ minutes on several occasions. Oct 12 23:40:16 timur: I just erased sdom from my freerunner but it was actually working close to perfect when outside. Oct 12 23:41:28 slaxxin: I'm afraid I flashed the wrong file. I'm now doing a jffs2.summery file Oct 12 23:42:05 :) Oct 12 23:42:09 nokia N810 had ~6..20min. today I installed AGPS-beta, now it works in ~120sec Oct 12 23:42:24 yay Oct 12 23:43:18 anybody have a wotking gps maps on qt extended? Oct 12 23:43:36 working* Oct 12 23:43:36 lesouvage: so you obviously are going to install a smaller image than SDOM now. -> erase flash! Oct 12 23:43:51 ahhhhh Oct 12 23:44:13 your good Oct 12 23:44:24 hmmm, i just tried it on another phone and got a fix in about 30-40 seconds. the freerunnner is still chugging along after 12 minutes Oct 12 23:44:27 with no fixes Oct 12 23:44:51 autocenter? Oct 12 23:45:03 Your other phone almost certainly has agps Oct 12 23:45:04 timur: so that "other phone" obviously has some sorta AGPS Oct 12 23:46:14 I tested with a blood new Samsung SGH-i900: it's as slow as 10min after a reset. Oct 12 23:46:26 What can I do with the other files on the repository of fso. Oct 12 23:46:37 hmm yes, it does :) Oct 12 23:46:55 ok, well, at 20+ min i'm giving up Oct 12 23:47:12 did u reboot? Oct 12 23:47:23 timur: do you have the FR sitting vertically? Oct 12 23:47:39 no... Oct 12 23:47:42 let's try it Oct 12 23:47:59 (The gps antenna is oriented so that the phone should be in the normal "talking" position for best gps reception) Oct 12 23:48:20 Somebody here suggested to use a coffee mug for that -- remove the coffee first, of course. Oct 12 23:49:06 Like openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20081005-om-gta01.rootfs.tar.gz What is the idea behind this files? Oct 12 23:49:34 oh, damn, i left the coffee in Oct 12 23:49:36 doh! Oct 12 23:49:38 :P Oct 12 23:49:44 mwester_: the lack PU-foam from box is very handy! Oct 12 23:49:54 Black Oct 12 23:49:59 timur: you might get a quicker fix now ;p Oct 12 23:50:19 only if coffee is strong enough Oct 12 23:50:38 yeh, strictly no milk or sugar Oct 12 23:50:46 doh, now you tell me? Oct 12 23:50:53 although accuracy may be impaired if it is Irish Coffee. Oct 12 23:51:01 haha Oct 12 23:51:06 you guys are not helping! i always put bailey's in my coffee Oct 12 23:51:13 on page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target it says, that debian supports voip. what program do they use? Oct 12 23:51:51 twinkle, linphone, kphone... Oct 12 23:52:05 gizmo Oct 12 23:52:05 ok, new plan. i'm gonna go eat and watch a football game... hopefully by the time i'm back this thing finds where it thinks it is Oct 12 23:52:59 timur: take out Ur SDcard! Oct 12 23:53:09 might help a lot ;-) Oct 12 23:54:09 DocScrutinizer: ok, i'll check them out Oct 12 23:54:31 twinkle is best of them ;-) Oct 12 23:55:10 www.twinklephone.com Oct 12 23:56:52 be carefull to have the matching lib versions for commoncpp, ccrtp, and zrtpcpp though! Oct 12 23:57:04 turn on gps Oct 12 23:57:32 slaxxin: I'm rebooting and it seems to go well. It is configuring all kind of things. Oct 12 23:57:47 yea Oct 12 23:58:13 did u buy a 2-4 gig sdcard ?? Oct 12 23:58:54 im ready for 2008.10 Oct 12 23:59:05 an the updated fdom Oct 12 23:59:12 ott: sjphone, zoiper Oct 12 23:59:18 with fixes Oct 13 00:00:28 anyone here ever used navit on FR? what distro? Oct 13 00:00:43 so i can put qtopia on that 512 meg sdcard Oct 13 00:03:43 With fdom I had the googlemap repository available. I haven't write it down and now I don't have it anymore. Does anbody of you has fdom running and can check the googlemap repository? Thanks in advance Oct 13 00:04:39 slaxxin: any particular reason for 2-4 gig and not higher ... other than price ofc Oct 13 00:05:01 not with FR Oct 13 00:05:23 16GB verified Oct 13 00:06:01 IIRC, 8GB for sure Oct 13 00:06:10 If I connect my freerunner to my Macbook the Macbook let me kow that "a new network interface has been detected" and give me the option to set configure the new interface. Oct 13 00:06:28 yup, usual Oct 13 00:06:37 price only Oct 13 00:06:45 i have an 8 GB transcend running. i haven't seen a 16 GB microSD yet Oct 13 00:07:35 i bought a 2 gig an 2 4gigs Oct 13 00:07:36 16GB have been verified? Oct 13 00:07:49 yeah hard to find, maybe U have to wait another 4 weeks for them to appear in every shop Oct 13 00:08:13 techiem2-r: not sure about that Oct 13 00:08:14 4 gig 13.50 delivered Oct 13 00:08:21 i have seen a 16 GB SD (sandisk), but not microSD Oct 13 00:08:38 ok Oct 13 00:08:42 cuz the wiki says up to 8 Oct 13 00:08:44 hehe Oct 13 00:08:47 I like my 8 Oct 13 00:08:58 kingston Oct 13 00:09:51 ott--: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=173933 Oct 13 00:09:58 http://www.provantage.com/sandisk-sdsdq-016g-a11m~7SNDK2P3.htm Oct 13 00:13:56 whats the current best-practice way to do testing for an android app? android.test? p-unit? Oct 13 00:14:10 i'm ruined ... the one i found was $75.36, whilst docs one was $75.34 Oct 13 00:14:21 whoops wrong channel :) Oct 13 00:14:42 :-) Oct 13 00:15:33 bbl Oct 13 00:16:02 2-3 8 gigs would be better right now Oct 13 00:19:25 How do I set up the wlan conection with fso. I made it to configuration but I can't scroll down to option that are out of the screen. Oct 13 00:28:38 Hi, I've got a new FR with 2007.2 on it. I've read about the different distributions, and I've decided to try Om 2008.9 but shortly after moving to FDOM Oct 13 00:29:11 Do I have to flash to 2008.8 directly first in order to get to 2008.9? Or can I go from 2007.2 --> 2008.9 --> FDOM? Oct 13 00:31:56 no point in going for .8 ... just go directly for 2008.9 Oct 13 00:34:10 sicu: you can flash the latest image from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Oct 13 00:36:47 sorry meant for esthar. sicu, looks ike you beat me to it :-) Oct 13 02:11:54 will we get it tomorrow? Oct 13 02:15:15 doubtful Oct 13 02:15:27 uhmm, will we get what? ;p Oct 13 02:17:27 chlamydia? Oct 13 02:37:27 ok, took out the sd card, ran the agps test program for 3 hours and got no fix... any advice? Oct 13 02:37:33 i'd say 3 hours is a bit too much Oct 13 02:42:05 freerunner out in open air straight up? Oct 13 02:42:24 freerunner not in open air and not straight up Oct 13 02:42:40 but still, i figured after 3 hours it should get a fix Oct 13 02:42:52 trying to get a signal inside isn't likely to work Oct 13 02:43:16 ok, i'm gonna go outside for 10 minutes and try it Oct 13 02:43:36 I think I sat about 30 for my ttff Oct 13 02:43:46 outside with FR sitting in mug Oct 13 02:43:47 hehe Oct 13 02:46:04 ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/lintools/EBS/readme.txt Oct 13 02:46:17 did ya reboot it ? Oct 13 02:50:59 ok, outside without sd it works quite a bit better Oct 13 02:51:06 48s to get a first fix Oct 13 02:51:17 and i didn't reboot it, but seems like it doesn't matter Oct 13 02:51:28 i think it was the reboot:) Oct 13 02:51:47 haha Oct 13 02:51:56 this is not an M$ product ;) Oct 13 02:52:08 it acts like 1 though Oct 13 02:53:04 at this point anyways Oct 13 02:53:14 qtopia is working ok Oct 13 02:53:24 bored of it already Oct 13 02:54:00 is that becauise you dont have to mess with it to use it as a phone? Oct 13 02:54:24 thats because the battery stays up Oct 13 02:54:41 bluetooth works Oct 13 02:54:56 ya,we give the battery viagra Oct 13 02:55:01 :) Oct 13 02:55:24 lol Oct 13 02:55:30 is that what raster refers to a tickless kernel? Oct 13 02:56:50 no? Oct 13 02:58:07 ljp whats the mapping gps program i need? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 13 02:59:57 2008