**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 14 02:59:57 2008 Oct 14 03:00:02 don't know if thomas told you, but were building illume-image on our buildcluster Oct 14 03:00:54 * joerg_42 wants a flexible 1280x1024 oled screen to roll out, on GTA06 :-) Oct 14 03:01:02 im just playn around with some tools like buildbot Oct 14 03:02:23 C7: ok :) cool Oct 14 03:02:26 raster: http://oestats.bitbakery.org/ Oct 14 03:02:54 if you want to alpha-test ;) Oct 14 03:03:25 builds are triggered by commits to http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP Oct 14 03:04:04 MOOOOOOO Oct 14 03:04:07 and and run at hour 8 and 18 Oct 14 03:05:36 joerg ,hahahah Oct 14 03:05:42 more like the gta120 Oct 14 03:05:50 or gta68 Oct 14 03:05:56 if the years increase between releases Oct 14 03:06:50 i'll create a retrofit kit for GTA01 Oct 14 03:07:43 maybe around 2014 Oct 14 03:10:10 as a proof of concept to include that technology for GTA05 scheduled for same year Oct 14 03:13:38 C7: oh rad! Oct 14 03:13:44 C7: so a commit there triggers it? Oct 14 03:13:46 neat Oct 14 03:13:52 and the patches are applied etc? Oct 14 03:14:00 should ;) Oct 14 03:14:09 this is alpha testing i told you ;) Oct 14 03:14:25 no blame mails will be sent at the moment Oct 14 03:14:34 cool! Oct 14 03:14:34 :) Oct 14 03:14:47 cause most likely i am to blame if a build wont finish with exit 0 Oct 14 03:15:18 well i dont always sync my git tree every day Oct 14 03:15:23 i may do it every week or 2 or 3 Oct 14 03:15:25 one builder runs a full compile from scratch Oct 14 03:15:33 so fresh-oe-git may not have patches applye sometimes Oct 14 03:15:40 the second does incremental Oct 14 03:16:15 hmm Oct 14 03:16:20 so as new patches appear it applies them? Oct 14 03:16:37 (patches get re-numbered regularly whenever i do a resync) Oct 14 03:17:02 your patches? Oct 14 03:17:11 yes Oct 14 03:17:13 in the patches/ dir Oct 14 03:17:19 these are patches to oe Oct 14 03:17:29 './oe-install.sh' Oct 14 03:17:35 './oe-build-illume.sh' Oct 14 03:17:42 it may not work Oct 14 03:17:54 as that fetches a "head git" Oct 14 03:18:03 the patches are againadt whatever head was when i generated them Oct 14 03:18:20 thus right now a few days ago Oct 14 03:18:29 not all may apply Oct 14 03:19:30 hmm Oct 14 03:20:56 http://buildbot.bitbakery.org Oct 14 03:21:39 there you can see the output of your scripts. Oct 14 03:22:06 so if you want to change them you can can put it in your svn Oct 14 03:22:23 which will trigger a build of course ;) Oct 14 03:22:57 full builds are delayed 1hour Oct 14 03:23:19 will be dependant on incremental builds sometime this week ;) Oct 14 03:28:50 C7: resirited Oct 14 03:28:55 restricted Oct 14 03:30:03 hmm Oct 14 03:30:05 it asks for auth Oct 14 03:30:09 but loads anywah Oct 14 03:30:22 fixed Oct 14 03:31:05 hmm Oct 14 03:31:40 hmm? Oct 14 03:31:42 :) Oct 14 03:32:00 says build failed Oct 14 03:32:14 cause it did ;) Oct 14 03:32:39 click stdio for logs Oct 14 03:33:11 Error, TMPDIR has changed location. You need to either move it back to /home/buildbot/buildslave/raster-incremental/build/tmp.openmoko.om-gta02 or rebuild Oct 14 03:33:13 your end Oct 14 03:33:13 :) Oct 14 03:33:49 e2fsprogs doesnt want to install cause of some gettext stuff Oct 14 03:33:56 na this is fixed already Oct 14 03:34:20 see build #46 Oct 14 03:35:08 but the e2fsprogs failure is for you to fix Oct 14 03:35:15 sorry my english ;) Oct 14 03:35:25 its 5:33 here Oct 14 03:35:31 i should go to bed ;) Oct 14 03:35:33 hmm Oct 14 03:35:39 46 isnt linked from anywhere Oct 14 03:35:47 http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/builders/raster-incremental/builds/46 Oct 14 03:36:12 yeah Oct 14 03:36:16 but i have to know its build 46 Oct 14 03:36:17 :) Oct 14 03:36:26 ? Oct 14 03:36:35 http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/waterfall Oct 14 03:36:36 hmm Oct 14 03:36:39 46 is in progress Oct 14 03:36:40 thats why Oct 14 03:36:44 jep Oct 14 03:37:27 so whast tyhe e2fsprogs thing? Oct 14 03:37:33 never seen that Oct 14 03:37:43 lemme guess. Oct 14 03:37:54 MKDIR_P@ Oct 14 03:38:01 the rasters are plentiful Oct 14 03:38:10 heh, bitbakery Oct 14 03:38:10 cute Oct 14 03:38:11 mwester: ;) Oct 14 03:38:19 or MKINSTALLDIR, depending on which particular version you got Oct 14 03:39:40 poor build box tho.. Oct 14 03:39:41 raster http://oestats.bitbakery.org/packages/3367/ Oct 14 03:39:45 diong all those builds all the time Oct 14 03:39:55 raster: boxes Oct 14 03:39:59 ;) Oct 14 03:40:22 2 frontends and 5 slaves at the moment Oct 14 03:40:26 C7: no info as to what the error is Oct 14 03:40:36 SLAVES! Oct 14 03:40:38 My build machine is on the third go-round trying to get all the SlugOS packages in the feeds built; the last two failed attemps were because of the vairous e2fs* and gettext* problems. Oct 14 03:40:53 Mwester :( Oct 14 03:40:54 * ljp wishes the neo flashed as fast as the n810 Oct 14 03:40:57 That's always such a pain Oct 14 03:41:06 lorn, how fast is that? Oct 14 03:41:06 It's darn hard to get any Om work done that way... Oct 14 03:41:19 raster: no somewhy the log isnt pushed to oestats Oct 14 03:41:28 takes about 5 seconds Oct 14 03:41:39 holy shit Oct 14 03:41:40 ljp: Flashing from a running kernel is almost as fast as the n800; the problem seems to be uboot and the USB handling. Oct 14 03:41:48 mwester: this should be fixed in om.openembedded Oct 14 03:41:54 C7: unfortunately.. it work s for me... Oct 14 03:42:07 C7: Yeah, operative word is: "should" Oct 14 03:42:18 yesterday and today i built images for freerunner, treo650 and zaurus c7/8xx Oct 14 03:42:21 all work Oct 14 03:42:44 mwester: ok i am pretty shure it is ;) Oct 14 03:42:48 sure? Oct 14 03:42:56 Did you delete your TMPDIR and try from scracht? Oct 14 03:43:01 er, scratch? Oct 14 03:43:21 mwester: yes Oct 14 03:43:54 Cool. Then pehaps there's hope. Oct 14 03:44:37 mwester: there is Oct 14 03:45:13 ;) I'm not much for optimism. Reality gets in the way too often! Oct 14 03:45:39 but raster uses org.openembedded.dev where the fix isnt in yet i think Oct 14 03:45:56 mwester: :) Oct 14 03:46:03 odd Oct 14 03:46:05 it works for me Oct 14 03:46:06 hmmm Oct 14 03:46:17 raster: full rebuild from scatch? Oct 14 03:46:29 yup Oct 14 03:46:40 strange Oct 14 03:46:49 c7x0 image build from scratch today Oct 14 03:49:26 ooooh Oct 14 03:49:31 fucking awesome Oct 14 03:49:39 mr zeeee is booting Oct 14 03:49:52 you expected it not to? Oct 14 03:49:58 no Oct 14 03:50:03 but iuts been a little while Oct 14 03:50:12 i always like to see mr z going at it Oct 14 03:50:16 like a bunny Oct 14 03:50:44 man i wish i still have a usb data cable for it Oct 14 03:51:26 sell one to ya... $500 :) Oct 14 03:51:31 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rcbc96a5a209a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz Oct 14 03:51:41 :-P~ Oct 14 03:51:55 how about i get it on beay for $7 Oct 14 03:51:56 :) Oct 14 03:52:05 heh Oct 14 03:52:31 http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Data-Cable-Charger-fits-Sharp-Zaurus-SL-C760-C860_W0QQitemZ9720197086QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 Oct 14 03:52:32 like that Oct 14 03:52:32 ya, good luck with ebay Oct 14 03:52:39 eBay! Oct 14 03:52:55 * ljp plans a bidding war for Z data cables Oct 14 03:53:03 hahahah Oct 14 03:53:13 especially when they have buynow buttons... Oct 14 03:53:14 :) Oct 14 03:53:27 ebay was ruined by buy now buttons Oct 14 03:53:34 haha Oct 14 03:53:38 and bots Oct 14 03:53:48 true Oct 14 03:58:12 You can still do well on eBay -- just bid on stuff that nobody else wants... Like someone selling a Rogers-locked Treo in the US. :) Oct 14 03:59:10 ha Oct 14 03:59:19 :D Oct 14 03:59:22 nice Oct 14 03:59:35 iPhone 4G? Oct 14 03:59:57 I wonder how many tenatacles will come embedded in that. Oct 14 04:00:00 The best part is that when it showed up, it wasn't even a rogers-branded phone -- it was a unlocked Treo that somebody had tried to install the Rogers firmware onto. Oct 14 04:00:13 mwester - rofl! Oct 14 04:00:16 Winnar :p Oct 14 04:00:30 Yeah, $35 + $10 to ship it. Oct 14 04:00:34 ROFL Oct 14 04:00:42 I guess your birthday came early this year, huh ;) Oct 14 04:00:51 or whenever that was Oct 14 04:01:01 What a delicious steal :) Oct 14 04:01:03 Well, you win some, but sometimes you're not so lucky. Oct 14 04:01:30 true Oct 14 04:01:59 When I first tried eBay, I made the mistake of buying a battery for a laptop online. Not a good idea. I hear that one should also avoid buying SD cards from eBay. Oct 14 04:02:44 really? Oct 14 04:02:49 I've gotten some good deals in the past... Oct 14 04:02:58 But I put a few Neos and Freerunners on my watch list over the past few weeks just too see what kind of prices folks are getting for them. They're not a particularly hot item, that's for sure. Oct 14 04:02:58 raster: could you please change oe-install.sh to update the openembedded and bitbake checkouts if they are already present? Oct 14 04:03:13 raster: or is this a bad idea? Oct 14 04:03:34 mwester: yes, but a greenphone would be as goos as gold! Oct 14 04:03:37 good Oct 14 04:03:39 anyway .. i have to get some sleep now... Oct 14 04:03:52 Goodnight, C7 :) Oct 14 04:03:59 * mwester goes to see if he can find a greenphone to put on his watchlist... Oct 14 04:04:14 they are so rare, I doubt it Oct 14 04:04:20 no one wants to sell it Oct 14 04:04:24 hmm Oct 14 04:04:34 C7: i can Oct 14 04:04:36 Because they're so highly sought after? or just plain awesome? Oct 14 04:04:47 tho it also sets up symlinks Oct 14 04:04:48 just plain awesome of course Oct 14 04:04:56 and o0ther things Oct 14 04:05:03 Nope, none there. But eBay helpfully suggests that they have "Green, Blue, Red, Yellow, Stainless Steel Telephones". Oct 14 04:05:05 and also applies all patches blindly Oct 14 04:05:15 i gues si could do it Oct 14 04:05:17 hahaha Oct 14 04:05:23 i really should also have ti bail out on error Oct 14 04:05:28 i didnt really make it that robust Oct 14 04:05:33 * ljp wonders how many GP are in a warehosue somewhere Oct 14 04:05:36 raster: :) Oct 14 04:06:28 ljp: Put 'em on the market in the US -- people are buying anything that has "green" associated with it. There's even a TV channel devoted to "living green". Oct 14 04:07:01 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7bc38397a62b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for powertop-1.8.tar.gz Oct 14 04:07:24 haha yeah Oct 14 04:07:33 Green bullshit Oct 14 04:07:46 i cant believe telepathy is not built for neo Oct 14 04:07:49 ;/ Oct 14 04:08:22 http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg Oct 14 04:08:23 muhahahha! Oct 14 04:08:29 BobOfDoom: http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg Oct 14 04:08:32 i'm catching up Oct 14 04:08:32 :) Oct 14 04:08:43 good night everyone Oct 14 04:08:49 * mwester watches another attempt at building an FSO-based toolchain crash in flames... Oct 14 04:08:55 raster: noes! Oct 14 04:08:57 oh snap! Oct 14 04:09:22 Raster: YES Oct 14 04:09:24 its that python stuff Oct 14 04:09:29 Oh no, I have to catch up! Oct 14 04:09:35 Davegang, roll out! Oct 14 04:09:50 Raster, think illume will run on a z71? :\ Oct 14 04:10:03 Dave: yes. as it runs on a treo650 Oct 14 04:10:07 oh wait Oct 14 04:10:09 71 Oct 14 04:10:10 hmm Oct 14 04:10:15 not without some swap Oct 14 04:10:23 thats pushing it Oct 14 04:10:36 ljp: Is is hard requirement that the toolchain be in /opt/toolchain/blah/blah, or can one build with the toolchain in the default openmoko location? Oct 14 04:10:52 :| Oct 14 04:11:01 Raster, I just want a bigger army :( Oct 14 04:11:05 u can put swap on sd Oct 14 04:11:08 mwester: yes, you'll have to change devices/neo/environment Oct 14 04:11:14 true... Oct 14 04:11:14 but... it'll perform like arse Oct 14 04:11:21 man, I'm going to need a fuckload of SD cards :D Oct 14 04:11:32 the z is only 64m ram Oct 14 04:11:43 mwester: yes, as in you can built with the toolchain elsewhere Oct 14 04:11:43 and i was wondering if id' have trouble Oct 14 04:11:44 none Oct 14 04:11:45 Mwester, so, if not ebay, then where? Oct 14 04:11:46 so i did treo Oct 14 04:11:48 32m ram Oct 14 04:11:49 no swap Oct 14 04:11:50 fine Oct 14 04:11:52 ljp: that'll eliminate some possible trouble spots for me, then. Lemme have another go. (Can't get SSL in the toolchain, dunno why...) Oct 14 04:11:55 Raster :) Oct 14 04:11:57 but i'd say 16m ram.. no Oct 14 04:11:58 it'd fit Oct 14 04:11:59 just Oct 14 04:12:05 yeah :\ Oct 14 04:12:11 oh well, I'll still try it! Oct 14 04:12:13 :) Oct 14 04:12:13 but u'd have nothing left for growth Oct 14 04:13:10 * mwester thinks raster needs to create a trimmed-down verion of E, in the spirit of busybox and friends. Oct 14 04:13:43 mwester: unlikely Oct 14 04:13:48 its already very trim Oct 14 04:13:53 considering how much it does Oct 14 04:14:04 ha Oct 14 04:14:14 Ebloat :) Oct 14 04:14:21 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rcd68cee72ceb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for Arkanoid_PSID.sid (fso-sound use it) Oct 14 04:14:23 its ram footprint is about 3-4mb Oct 14 04:14:28 including all the gfx and fonts it loads Oct 14 04:14:38 We used to run X/Motif on 8 MB 68020-based systems, w/8-bit color. Oct 14 04:14:52 yeah Oct 14 04:15:08 i used to write game/demo engines on an amiga 500 @ 7mhz with 512k ram Oct 14 04:15:14 :) Oct 14 04:15:22 Well, port it to the neo! Oct 14 04:15:27 "used to" doesnt cut it anymore :( Oct 14 04:15:36 people want their anti-aliased fonts Oct 14 04:15:37 aww Oct 14 04:15:39 But it does, in some cases. Oct 14 04:15:39 and pretty gfx Oct 14 04:15:40 bah! Oct 14 04:15:42 and alpha channels and.... Oct 14 04:15:43 :) Oct 14 04:15:50 Avoid the Noid! Oct 14 04:15:51 i know i do Oct 14 04:15:58 and i'm not cutting it down Oct 14 04:16:07 There's a need for a recovery rootfs, and a gui would be nice. Oct 14 04:16:14 dont use e Oct 14 04:16:21 doa really basic fb app Oct 14 04:16:29 Right... Oct 14 04:16:30 like exquisite Oct 14 04:16:43 just don't fuck it up :) Oct 14 04:16:47 zand is the concern disk space Oct 14 04:16:49 or ram? Oct 14 04:16:53 if tis a recovery rootfs Oct 14 04:16:56 ram is not the problem Oct 14 04:17:05 disk is Oct 14 04:17:07 and i freely admiot Oct 14 04:17:10 e's install right now is fat Oct 14 04:17:13 * mwester wonders if he can just use text and the touchpad like mouse clicks... Oct 14 04:17:17 almost entirely thanks to the default theme Oct 14 04:17:29 whihc we are chanign for a much leaner one Oct 14 04:17:33 nice Oct 14 04:17:36 the b&w look u see in illume is e's new default theme Oct 14 04:17:41 diet please Oct 14 04:17:49 "new" Oct 14 04:17:51 its signficantly smaller and leaner Oct 14 04:17:56 shoudl shave a few mb easily Oct 14 04:18:03 but doing a theme is big work Oct 14 04:18:03 nice Oct 14 04:18:09 Ok, well, I'm going to go back to this silly toolchain problem. Oct 14 04:18:14 it has to provide EVERYTHING e needs if its the default Oct 14 04:18:22 as the default is expected to be a universal donor Oct 14 04:18:22 yeah, but eventually come up with a sleak and sexy look Oct 14 04:18:36 Dave: thats b&w Oct 14 04:18:40 Mwester, still experiencing difficulties. Oct 14 04:18:43 Raster :) Oct 14 04:18:47 I can see that Oct 14 04:18:55 the freerunner will be like the iphone, sans rape Oct 14 04:18:58 http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-02.png Oct 14 04:19:23 * mwester thinks b&w is underrated, especially in photography Oct 14 04:19:54 mwester: hey, I shoot only black and white :D Oct 14 04:20:20 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf93df85d834 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for ttf-arphic-uming_0.2.20080216.1.orig.tar.gz Oct 14 04:20:26 :) Oct 14 04:20:38 mwester: i agree Oct 14 04:20:43 thats why i've gone for b&w Oct 14 04:20:46 its so neutral Oct 14 04:20:47 and classic Oct 14 04:20:52 and unbiased? :p Oct 14 04:20:55 color only for small hilights and selected things Oct 14 04:20:57 and icons Oct 14 04:21:05 maybe later Oct 14 04:21:14 Dave: yes. no ubuntu poo-brown for people to complain about Oct 14 04:21:14 :) Oct 14 04:21:16 when we can get past the color barrier :p Oct 14 04:21:21 hahah, good Oct 14 04:23:42 hm, i'm going to try qtopia, how much more "stuff" does it have vs fdom? Oct 14 04:24:17 a night/day profile switch would be very useful Oct 14 04:24:45 i have 4.4.2 Oct 14 04:25:31 can you use gprs/wifi? Oct 14 04:25:45 i cant Oct 14 04:25:55 * ColdFyre is still shopping for the ideal distro Oct 14 04:25:58 arh Oct 14 04:26:19 the mapping DEMO has a working gps Oct 14 04:26:32 debian will be it Oct 14 04:26:51 but im just a USER Oct 14 04:27:57 im been configuring/borking conf files on the sdcard Oct 14 04:28:13 i need to find an irc client now for this thing Oct 14 04:28:25 which? Oct 14 04:28:37 fdom or w/e Oct 14 04:28:48 pidgin not work? Oct 14 04:28:54 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rec61907d0d3b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for icon-naming-utils-0.8.7.tar.gz Oct 14 04:29:26 heh Oct 14 04:29:28 :) Oct 14 04:29:50 nope Oct 14 04:29:50 daavvee Oct 14 04:29:54 Hello! Oct 14 04:30:00 it only has msn/xmpp/google/yahoo Oct 14 04:30:24 well do the wiki fix Oct 14 04:30:32 besides, i hate using pidgin for irc Oct 14 04:30:43 bitchX Oct 14 04:31:00 BitchX Oct 14 04:31:53 but Oct 14 04:31:54 irssi ftw Oct 14 04:32:08 being root is a problem Oct 14 04:32:09 heh, i should run an eggdrop Oct 14 04:32:11 heh Oct 14 04:32:23 I was just using opieirc on this zire here earlier Oct 14 04:32:35 i like opieirc Oct 14 04:32:47 i used jmirc on my moto a780 - it's terrible Oct 14 04:33:06 :D Oct 14 04:33:09 whee Oct 14 04:33:20 I live again! Oct 14 04:34:46 DaveZire: marshalling the gang? Oct 14 04:35:36 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf7fb8e943310 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for pidgin-2.5.1.tar.bz2 Oct 14 04:37:41 quick q Oct 14 04:37:45 how do u guys type in Oct 14 04:37:50 ø Oct 14 04:37:52 ö Oct 14 04:37:56 œ Oct 14 04:38:01 ß Oct 14 04:38:04 é Oct 14 04:38:06 etc.? Oct 14 04:39:26 use that in a sentence Oct 14 04:40:03 cut and paste Oct 14 04:40:03 du blöder sack! Oct 14 04:40:36 ljp: NOT the answer i was after Oct 14 04:40:37 :) Oct 14 04:40:44 :) Oct 14 04:40:57 ok. i use qt extended's smart keyboard Oct 14 04:41:04 i type it in ... carefully Oct 14 04:41:06 lolol Oct 14 04:41:07 that's one way Oct 14 04:41:12 have dedicated keys Oct 14 04:41:18 tick on that Oct 14 04:41:21 got that one covered Oct 14 04:41:29 what other methods Oct 14 04:41:31 eg Oct 14 04:41:38 finger Oct 14 04:41:57 multi_key + o + shift ' = ö Oct 14 04:42:07 ö Oct 14 04:42:19 note thatsd a sequence of 3 stokes Oct 14 04:42:23 multi_key can be kept down Oct 14 04:42:25 too Oct 14 04:42:30 ö Oct 14 04:42:32 ö Oct 14 04:42:34 Navigate your spaceship through Death Valley to escape untold dangers... Oct 14 04:42:36 hah Oct 14 04:42:42 there are some strange projects Oct 14 04:47:06 http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html Oct 14 04:47:10 hrm gprs w/ tmo Oct 14 04:51:53 slaxxin: where did you get 4.4.2? i only see 4.4.1 Oct 14 05:09:40 raster: http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/builders/raster-incremental/builds/47 Oct 14 05:10:02 install... Oct 14 05:10:22 raster: # shell ['./oe-install.sh' failed] Oct 14 05:10:29 hmmm Oct 14 05:10:32 yeah Oct 14 05:10:40 odd Oct 14 05:11:03 Blamelist: Oct 14 05:11:03 1. raster Oct 14 05:11:08 ;) Oct 14 05:12:16 * raster checks Oct 14 05:13:40 ok Oct 14 05:13:43 fixed minor boo boo there Oct 14 05:14:22 haha, i have tons of kernels oop's scrolling on my screen after that last flash.. Oct 14 05:16:02 raster: :) Oct 14 05:19:39 C7: should be ok now Oct 14 05:24:30 http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/builders/raster-incremental/builds/48/steps/shell/logs/stdio Oct 14 05:25:41 raster: should ;) Oct 14 05:26:48 ummmm Oct 14 05:26:53 works foir me Oct 14 05:28:59 i did a fresj svn checkout Oct 14 05:29:02 ran it twice Oct 14 05:29:04 fiurst to set up Oct 14 05:29:07 then to update Oct 14 05:31:36 raster: hmm Oct 14 05:32:49 raster: git-rebase origin Oct 14 05:33:37 hmmm Oct 14 05:33:45 it didnt output any failure Oct 14 05:33:55 why exit with != 0 exit code Oct 14 05:49:59 C7: ok Oct 14 05:50:05 it is definitely working for me here Oct 14 05:50:08 tested returns codes Oct 14 05:52:59 raster: i did a rm -rf org.openembedded.dev Oct 14 05:53:50 ooh joy Oct 14 05:55:04 raster: :) Oct 14 05:55:44 raster: ok i'am gone Oct 14 05:55:49 nite! Oct 14 05:56:15 raster: thx will be a short one... Oct 14 05:56:24 raster: bye Oct 14 05:56:28 nite! Oct 14 06:24:51 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r965201779a75 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for swt-3.4-gtk-linux-x86.zip Oct 14 06:33:39 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r200a9ffd4caf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for x11vnc-0.9.4.tar.gz Oct 14 06:41:02 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r20ea3a4fdd3c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for wxWidgets-2.8.9.tar.gz Oct 14 06:45:37 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r13aea07bf2a7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for mysql-4.1.22.tar.gz Oct 14 07:36:48 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r143069817dc8 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: Oct 14 07:36:48 freesmartphone.org: tasklet: Added WaitDBusName tasklet Oct 14 07:36:48 freesmartphone.org: This is a special tasklet that blocks until a given DBusName is available on the system bus Oct 14 07:42:43 good morning Oct 14 07:46:45 * swc|666 notes it better not be morning _yet_ Oct 14 07:48:29 hmm, TZ? Oct 14 07:56:47 morning Oct 14 08:21:26 your in luck! its evening! Oct 14 08:21:54 :) Oct 14 08:23:40 it's always evening somewhere Oct 14 08:30:47 lol... i just solved the most idiotic problem on my desktop Oct 14 08:31:20 i forgot i added another nic to my machine, which uses the e1000 module... and i couldn't figure out why the e1000e module wasn't working Oct 14 08:31:35 (i have another nic on it that uses it) Oct 14 08:32:52 Nuked your card? I think they found a way to recover it. Oct 14 09:09:25 hmm, do you also get often duplicated mails from the OM lists? Oct 14 09:10:57 hello, I'm trying to compile software which is using autoconf but not automake using openmoko toolchain (om-conf). There are some local macros defined in m4/local.m4 file. But even if I use command " EXTRA_AUTORECONF="-I" om-conf " all local macros are not defined. Could you give me some advise, please? Oct 14 09:11:58 bipak: yes, it's "normal" Oct 14 09:12:41 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r3d8989d0ed73 10/framework/subsystems/opreferencesd/opreferences.py: opreferences: log error instead of info when service not found Oct 14 09:12:57 Blackhex: hmm ok Oct 14 10:42:33 raster: ping Oct 14 10:44:42 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbe5549d4d9d3 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dialer2_svn.bb: PE should not use float number. Change it into integer. Oct 14 10:52:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r79e10fe8ad08 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): (re)release gsm0710muxd version 0.9.2 Oct 14 10:53:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r63f08d5b6d38 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: signal lowercase consistency change for org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier Oct 14 10:53:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2481741a2949 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): odeviced: signal lowercase consistency change for idlenotifier and kernel26 Oct 14 10:53:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libframeworkd-glib * r0307f5c65b07 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-idlenotifier.h: frameworkd-glib-odeviced-idlenotifier.h: catch up with signal lowercase naming consistency changes Oct 14 10:57:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9e6a96fb3f65 10/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: rules: add emergency shutdown rule Oct 14 11:05:37 Kensan: pong! Oct 14 11:22:29 raster: I read the backlog. if you wanted to do a "stable" build you could pin the git-checkout to a specific hashid which is know to work and simply update that id when you do a fetch/rebase cycle yourself... Oct 14 11:22:50 Kensan: i know :) Oct 14 11:23:01 raster: hehe Oct 14 11:23:09 i justr couldnt be bothered chasing that git id all the time Oct 14 11:23:11 :) Oct 14 11:23:19 raster: I see your plan ;) Oct 14 11:23:48 my current plan is to expand my gang Oct 14 11:24:11 http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg Oct 14 11:24:16 raster: yeah, it's a bit smallish ;) Oct 14 11:24:19 yeah, saw that Oct 14 11:24:38 n800 is next... Oct 14 11:24:56 raster: cool Oct 14 11:25:18 raster: I see the pandora up there in about a months time ;) Oct 14 11:26:17 let's see Oct 14 11:26:20 now Oct 14 11:26:24 to get my n800 to boot from sd Oct 14 11:27:47 don't you just install the diablo os release and it's suppose to be easy Oct 14 11:28:19 i want to use my oe images i built Oct 14 11:28:26 raster: I just kicked off an illume-build about an hour ago. seems to work fine so far. Oct 14 11:28:27 i dont want nokia's stuff Oct 14 11:31:02 morning Oct 14 11:34:47 raster: about your gang: what zaurus model is that? Oct 14 11:36:38 Kensan: c860 Oct 14 11:37:54 raster: n800 sd boot: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Oct 14 11:37:59 raster: maybe that helps? Oct 14 11:38:14 raster: just a "google in the dark" ;) Oct 14 11:40:00 working on it Oct 14 11:40:43 * Kensan gets quiet so raster can work on it Oct 14 11:44:36 AJATTARA Oct 14 11:56:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb9e9c0046684 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: open framebuffer "just in time" for blanking/unblanking ioctl Oct 14 12:07:39 MUHAHAHAHAHA Oct 14 12:07:41 http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg Oct 14 12:08:17 lol Oct 14 12:08:25 hehe Oct 14 12:08:39 You should have laptop displaying that too ;) Oct 14 12:08:49 viq: thats just too easy Oct 14 12:09:15 Yeah, but would be a nice addition ;) Oct 14 12:09:22 too big Oct 14 12:09:29 * Kensan gets out of "quiet-let-raster-work"-mode Oct 14 12:09:32 only small embedded systems allowed Oct 14 12:09:34 raster: nice Oct 14 12:09:42 it's my arm farm Oct 14 12:10:03 raster: did you find your Ipaq in the meantime? ;) Oct 14 12:10:07 {,f}arm ;) Oct 14 12:10:25 men no... i wonder where it got to Oct 14 12:10:33 maybe i threw it out... Oct 14 12:10:35 thta'd suck Oct 14 12:10:38 that'd Oct 14 12:10:44 maybe its in a box... Oct 14 12:10:54 raster: hm... why would you throw away a gadget?!? Oct 14 12:10:57 * Kensan is in disbelief Oct 14 12:10:59 ;) Oct 14 12:11:34 raster: btw, the n800 battery seems kinda low, you should plug it in. Oct 14 12:14:57 JOY! Oct 14 12:15:08 The Treo's battery looks no better ;-) Oct 14 12:15:19 i found my old zaurus usb data cable Oct 14 12:15:21 WERD Oct 14 12:15:39 Really nice farm for an arm fame :-) Oct 14 12:18:09 ah nice, illume build is done. Oct 14 12:22:56 hi, image Om2008.9-gta02-20080916 works yet with neo1973? Oct 14 12:22:58 thanks in advance Oct 14 12:26:19 pooo Oct 14 12:26:21 no ipaq Oct 14 12:26:23 BUT Oct 14 12:26:28 i found my zaurus data cable Oct 14 12:26:29 MUHAHAHAH Oct 14 12:26:30 raster: where did it go? Oct 14 12:26:40 Kensan: dunno. probably the bin Oct 14 12:26:55 somewhere during some trans-continental move of some sort Oct 14 12:27:01 or inter-continental Oct 14 12:27:12 crap Oct 14 12:27:15 usb0,1,2,3 Oct 14 12:27:18 whihc one is it... Oct 14 12:27:35 raster: hm too bad :( Oct 14 12:27:58 woot Oct 14 12:28:02 at last Oct 14 12:28:10 raster: it seems you are too busy moving around the globe ;) Oct 14 12:29:09 uo, latest kernel throw some strange messages... Oct 14 12:30:16 bugger Oct 14 12:30:29 n800 doesnt want to join my usbnet forest Oct 14 12:30:45 hm... something is off, I am stuck at exquisite boot screen Oct 14 12:31:08 oh it just started x... Oct 14 12:32:17 raster: love the new menu at the top. Oct 14 12:32:27 the 3 buttons? Oct 14 12:32:31 raster: yeah Oct 14 12:32:41 raster: very finger-friendly Oct 14 12:32:49 yup Oct 14 12:32:53 that was the original illume ui Oct 14 12:33:04 before om's "Designers" started "fixing" it. Oct 14 12:33:14 raster: mkay. Oct 14 12:33:27 i'm bringing it back because its 1. simple Oct 14 12:33:34 2. hyper-finger-friendly Oct 14 12:33:42 3. predictable (same action always in the same spot) Oct 14 12:34:02 4. covers the majority of what u want to do right there in big fat black and white Oct 14 12:34:17 hm, which dfu-util altsettings are available? i know rootfs, kernel, uboot Oct 14 12:34:18 medium-users will use the window list buttont o list active apps/windows Oct 14 12:34:20 and flip Oct 14 12:34:20 are there more? Oct 14 12:34:25 raster: where can I find it? Oct 14 12:34:32 novices just might run the app again and that'll flip to it anyway Oct 14 12:34:48 dolf1074: image? Oct 14 12:34:55 FDom Oct 14 12:35:05 dolf1074: illume images: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/ Oct 14 12:35:20 beni_: yes Oct 14 12:35:29 Kensan: that one has the buttons? Oct 14 12:35:37 i am not sure if i put them in that one Oct 14 12:35:51 beni_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_partitions Oct 14 12:35:56 raster: oh I don't know Oct 14 12:36:07 raster: I simply flashed the one I just built... Oct 14 12:36:17 Kensan + Raster: I will try and report ;) Oct 14 12:36:57 neotool is my friend ;) Oct 14 12:39:42 and yes i know the window title in the winlist at the bottom dont fill the scroll region Oct 14 12:39:47 and i know the scrollabr is always there Oct 14 12:39:54 the obvious i know :) Oct 14 12:40:19 I will try to not report it :p Oct 14 12:46:26 raster: there's some errors in x.log but I don't know if they are really that important... Oct 14 12:48:27 where can i download a recent kernel and its modules? Oct 14 12:50:16 at http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ i find the uimage, but no modules :( Oct 14 12:51:01 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/ Oct 14 12:51:31 beni_: did you check in /lib/modules of the rootfs tar.gz ? Oct 14 12:52:12 no Oct 14 12:52:18 but i wanted Oct 14 12:52:23 download is finished now :() Oct 14 12:52:48 or get kernel/modules from FSO repo : http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ Oct 14 12:52:50 would be cool if the modules would be downloadable separately as they where Oct 14 12:52:50 raster: I don't think the new menu is included in the image Oct 14 12:53:00 raster: where can I find it? Oct 14 12:53:16 do aaah ok Oct 14 12:53:24 umm i'll need to build Oct 14 12:53:29 the same way kensan did Oct 14 12:53:46 i havent provided new images Oct 14 12:53:49 ah, just rebuild the whole image? Oct 14 12:54:00 yes Oct 14 12:54:09 http://www.rasterman.com/ Oct 14 12:54:17 svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe Oct 14 12:54:22 beni_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/ is that not recent enough? Oct 14 12:54:26 all tyhe stuff u need is there for a full oe build tree Oct 14 12:54:31 dolf1074: if you have some place for me to upload it I could do that. Oct 14 12:54:44 Kensan: how much mb? Oct 14 12:54:59 dolf1074: let me check Oct 14 12:55:24 36m Oct 14 12:55:36 (plus kernel 38m) Oct 14 12:55:49 dolf1074: what raster said ;) Oct 14 12:55:58 normally I should have enough place. But I will check first Oct 14 12:56:00 well 37.6m Oct 14 12:56:15 i wont put yet another image up so soon after the last Oct 14 12:56:19 i will eventually Oct 14 12:56:21 needs more polish Oct 14 12:56:30 no chance to have packages update, we must flash the whole image ? Oct 14 12:57:31 raster: isn't the bitbakery building your stuff? Oct 14 12:58:19 Kensan: email please, I will send you the ftp inlog Oct 14 12:58:50 Kensan: i think so Oct 14 12:58:50 :) Oct 14 13:03:09 Raster :) Oct 14 13:03:48 is there some pynitofy opkg available already? Oct 14 13:09:11 i'm try to install image 2007.11 on neo1973 but on boot i have errors: jff2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0xxxxx not found at 0x0xxxxx: 0x7f0c instead Oct 14 13:09:22 how can i resolve this problem? Oct 14 13:09:38 raster: now we just need to figure out where they put the images/packages ;) Oct 14 13:09:51 geaaru: may be 'nand erase rootfs' needed Oct 14 13:09:54 search the wiki Oct 14 13:10:16 how can i do nand erase rootfs from dfu-util Oct 14 13:10:17 ? Oct 14 13:11:07 hello, I'm trying to compile software which is using autoconf but not automake using openmoko toolchain (om-conf). There are some local macros defined in m4/local.m4 file. But even if I use command " EXTRA_AUTORECONF="-I" om-conf " all local macros are not defined. Could you give me some advise, please? Oct 14 13:11:18 geaaru: I don't know you can - I've used uboot Oct 14 13:15:03 for enter on uboot console and erase rootfs i need to start "set console to USB? Oct 14 13:15:15 Factory reset on menu stands for? Oct 14 13:16:44 no - minicom to /dev/ttyACM0 which appears when you are on the uboot screen - on your desktop - then 'nand erase rootfs' Oct 14 13:16:48 Look at the wiki Oct 14 13:24:43 How many time you may reflash your flash before you're getting problems? Oct 14 13:25:13 like memory degradation Oct 14 13:25:20 millions Oct 14 13:26:21 ok, I will keeping reflashing my freerunner for keeping a nice overview over the successes Oct 14 13:27:02 SpeedEvil: thanks i will try Oct 14 13:29:36 dolf1074: bug reports to raster ;) Oct 14 13:30:11 Kenson: ok Oct 14 13:34:15 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r39d91cc13f29 10/conf/machine/ (om-gta01.conf om-gta02.conf): [om-gta?.conf] remove old compatibility names that are no longer used. Oct 14 13:34:16 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rdcf4a17c4d04 10/packages/meta/distro-feed-configs.bb: [distro-feed-config] PR bump due to machine changes Oct 14 13:38:44 mickeyl: you around? Oct 14 13:42:16 Hi! Has anybody tried SHR yet? Oct 14 13:42:33 yes Oct 14 13:43:06 looks promising Oct 14 13:47:26 how does it differ from FSO? Oct 14 13:47:44 other self-made appications. So zhone isn't included Oct 14 13:48:12 okey. what do you think. Should I use SHR or FSO? Oct 14 13:48:22 For know I should say FSO Oct 14 13:48:38 because SHR hasn't released an 'stable' image yet Oct 14 13:48:44 there are calling it alpha Oct 14 13:48:50 okey, so i use fso :) Oct 14 13:48:54 And not everything is working at the moment Oct 14 13:49:13 i am not sure that i would call FSO fully "stable" either Oct 14 13:49:28 SHR is alpha, FSO is beta ;) Oct 14 13:49:33 no it's not stable, but you can use it as a phone Oct 14 13:49:39 viq: something like that :p Oct 14 13:49:53 Yay, FSO has passed the stages of alphaness! :-) Oct 14 13:50:17 alphaone: well based on your name you are unable to use it Oct 14 13:50:21 :P Oct 14 13:50:44 Actually FSO aims to provide the middleware and includes a testing GUI (zhone). Oct 14 13:51:05 So... 2007 is obsolete and deprecated, FSO is beta, what does it make ASU/2008? And debian is unofficial and testing too, and qtopia, though considered usable, is an entirely different company :P Oct 14 13:51:06 true Oct 14 13:51:14 SHR on the other hand tries to develop UI applications on top of the FSO stack Oct 14 13:51:19 xzcvczx: Hehe :-) Oct 14 13:51:29 om2008.8 is some in between, before FSO backend is ready Oct 14 13:55:53 SpeedEvil: thank you very very much. Now works. But only last question, last images 2008.9 works still with new1973 (maybe only from sd card because there isn't space on flash)? Oct 14 13:56:05 Sorry, don't know. Oct 14 13:56:55 k np, still thanks Oct 14 13:57:29 my freerunner (FSO) just crashed and i cannot reboot it; any hints? Oct 14 13:57:48 remove battery Oct 14 13:57:50 i took out the battery and (after re-inserting it) pressed the power-button for >10secs Oct 14 13:57:59 what else? Oct 14 13:58:04 was the battery near flat? Oct 14 13:58:44 if so leave battery out for about a min then plug into charger and leave for ages Oct 14 14:00:58 Hey alphaone :) Oct 14 14:01:03 Dave: hey! Oct 14 14:01:07 Toggles :) Oct 14 14:01:09 hello, Dave Oct 14 14:01:39 Greetings Oct 14 14:01:47 'ning Dave Oct 14 14:02:45 have I missed anything exciting in the OM world? Oct 14 14:03:44 heh Oct 14 14:03:45 Tig|: with the combined power of every FIC device they were able to work out the answer to the ultimate question of life and everything Oct 14 14:03:46 Not really :P Oct 14 14:03:55 A few of us have been dabbling into palms :P Oct 14 14:04:07 filthy boy Oct 14 14:04:08 and I'm not talking about fortune telling or prognostication Oct 14 14:04:41 xzcvczx: is the answer that the firmware is fucked? :) Oct 14 14:05:18 Tig|: nope, still 42 Oct 14 14:06:25 * Tig| writes a simple app and puts in error code 42 for universe firmware problem Oct 14 14:07:08 hey guys, i flashed/reflashed/etc my neo a couple of times,now i can't connect via usb, my host says Cannot find device "usb0" .. what am i missing here? Oct 14 14:07:42 rebelThor: dry disconnecting and then reconnecting the cable Oct 14 14:07:50 did that a couple of times Oct 14 14:07:55 tried restarting both systems too Oct 14 14:08:13 rebelThor: what does syslog say on your host when you plugin the device? Oct 14 14:08:36 how can i tell? :D Oct 14 14:08:42 fail -f /var/log/messages ? Oct 14 14:08:53 *tail Oct 14 14:08:59 quality typo there :) Oct 14 14:10:35 rebelThor: yes, the one command with "t" ;) Oct 14 14:10:50 i get nothing :| Oct 14 14:11:00 no new messages that is, on plugging/unplugging Oct 14 14:11:13 the neo shows as charging though Oct 14 14:11:24 Tig|: not as good as "boobsplash". I think that one made it into raster's top 10 typo list. Oct 14 14:11:29 lsusb on the host? Oct 14 14:11:42 rebelThor: ^^ Oct 14 14:11:45 rebelThor: is cdc_ether loaded? Oct 14 14:11:50 Kensan: teeheehee :) Oct 14 14:12:23 xzcvczx: http://pastebin.com/m163e1b2c Oct 14 14:12:26 yay! boobsplash! Oct 14 14:12:40 Kensan: on which one? the host? (is that a module?) Oct 14 14:12:52 rebelThor: yes host Oct 14 14:12:58 lsmod | grep cdc_ether Oct 14 14:13:05 no output Oct 14 14:13:17 modprobe cdc_ether Oct 14 14:13:20 need to be root Oct 14 14:13:24 did that, let me try it now Oct 14 14:13:33 Tig|: see, raster felt that we were talking about ti. Oct 14 14:13:34 it Oct 14 14:13:34 if that fails it might be built into kernel Oct 14 14:14:02 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r98b7b265615c 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): [prelink] Add recent version of prelink Oct 14 14:14:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r06f61faf1ccf 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade inputproto to 1.4.4 for the xserver 1.5 releases Oct 14 14:14:03 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b9f319518fb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add inputproto 1.4.4 to the checksum list Oct 14 14:14:04 still no sugar :( Oct 14 14:14:15 can someone confirm the usb verndor id/device id for the freerunner? Oct 14 14:14:18 cdc_ether is loaded now Oct 14 14:14:21 Kensan: talking abou tit indeed. Oct 14 14:14:33 raster: argh Oct 14 14:14:42 * Kensan is on a rampage Oct 14 14:14:48 rebelThor: unplug and replug the phone Oct 14 14:15:08 did that, no messages in syslog :) Oct 14 14:15:24 change to a diff usb port? Oct 14 14:15:35 rebelThor: then probably usb_networking on the freerunner side is not active Oct 14 14:15:54 rebelThor: see if you can connect to serial console when fr is in uboot Oct 14 14:15:56 turned out that i had forgotten to disconnect the USB-cable; the freerunner has to be completely without power in order to recover (kind of logical) Oct 14 14:16:09 Kensan: will try, thanks Oct 14 14:16:11 xzcvczx: and also see if dmesg is added to on each unplug/replug Oct 14 14:16:36 IOhannes: good to hear Oct 14 14:19:50 rebelThor: what kernel/rootfs are you using? Oct 14 14:20:12 the 2008.9 stable one Oct 14 14:20:33 when issuing (on the phone) /etc/init.d/networking start i get "usb0 no such device" Oct 14 14:21:14 rebelThor: hm maybe there are some missing modules? Oct 14 14:21:43 could be, but i have no idea what is required:( Oct 14 14:24:02 hm, maybe i have the wrong uImage after all :-/ i'll try reflashing that Oct 14 14:25:10 rebelThor: try modprobe cdc_ether on freerunner Oct 14 14:25:49 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf96ccaea0276 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/idlenotifier/ (idlenotifier.plugin idlenotifier.vala): Catch up with the case changes in the idlenotifier plugin Oct 14 14:27:44 i think reflashing the 2008.9 kernel uImage did the trick Oct 14 14:28:01 upgrading to testing seems to have modified my kernel Oct 14 14:28:10 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9285bb9c4819 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] add new ones for liboil and schroedinger Oct 14 14:28:10 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r594456a11da0 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [prefferred-om-versions] update schroeding and liboil Oct 14 14:28:11 openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r832877aee5d7 10/ (10 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Oct 14 14:28:15 come to think of it, it was supposed to Oct 14 14:29:23 yep, that did it Oct 14 14:29:42 i had the wrong kernel :( thanks guys! Oct 14 14:29:50 rebelThor: heh ok. Oct 14 14:43:56 any chance of getting pidgin on 2008.9 without enabling angstrom? i'd like to be able to upgrade my packages and angstrom breaks everything :( Oct 14 14:47:16 ahoi Oct 14 14:51:49 hi everyone. just wanted to install http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone . after adding the repo it get: opkg install libmediastreamer0 Oct 14 14:51:49 parseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberCollected errors: Oct 14 14:52:01 what is that supposed to mean? Oct 14 15:00:27 rebelThor: you just temporarily add the repo, install pidgin and remove the repo afterwards... Oct 14 15:00:47 or maybe get it from the FDOM guys somehow... Oct 14 15:05:24 hello Oct 14 15:05:47 when's the stable image Om* team is working on forecasted to show up? Oct 14 15:48:10 hey guys, so what's this thing about 2008.9 not actually using suspend and only dimming+locking ? Oct 14 16:01:09 anybody have good experiences with the latest om2008.9?? Oct 14 16:01:17 gsm stability especially Oct 14 16:08:58 * Zorkman thinks this chan should be renamed to #narcolepsy :) Oct 14 16:17:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r28e01227063a 10/src/zhone: s/BUSY/busy/ as per IdleNotifier API changes Oct 14 16:19:11 so did anyone get to have 2008.9 lasting more than 6-7 hours in standby? Oct 14 16:28:52 Zork|AwaY: I think you're bound to got with qtextended for a while still Oct 14 16:53:15 Anyone up to speed with navit on FDOM? Oct 14 16:54:44 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r8b55ff39b037 10/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: Slight modification of rules.yaml to set brightness to 90 on incoming calls. Oct 14 17:00:19 To answer my own question... Oct 14 17:01:12 If you start navit with a map set it cannot find, it apparently also soen't want to display other map sets. I disabled a map set, and I now get 'The Netherlands'. Nice! Now I only need to find out how to set a destination... Oct 14 17:14:49 christ, you might want to try #navit ? Oct 14 17:32:57 Q: I'd like to set up, on my host pc, a remote filesystem for my openmoko running on qemu (i.e.remote to qemu not to my host pc). Whats the best way to do this ? Is it possible to use samba or nfs, or should I use something on top of ssh ? Or yet another, not network based, method ? Oct 14 17:38:12 sigi, as far as I know, nfs works fine. Oct 14 17:38:44 <[Rui]> WTF????? Oct 14 17:38:46 well, I've used nfs on a real neo at least, over usb... Oct 14 17:38:51 right Oct 14 17:39:09 <[Rui]> does messing around with brightness affect the accelerometers???? Oct 14 17:39:23 I _think_ the qemu user mode networking shtick should be sufficient also... Oct 14 17:39:57 * [Rui] is rebooting right now Oct 14 17:41:29 mjr, i have a feeling it doesnt matter all that much but to be sure: whats a shtick ? Oct 14 17:42:27 ROFL http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/008d7ef083fad841f9391a96f203a6f4.png Oct 14 17:43:03 4: (Yiddish) a devious trick; a bit of cheating; Oct 14 17:43:42 heh Oct 14 17:43:48 mjr, ah, ok Oct 14 17:43:55 Dave, mjr: thanks , i'll give nfs a try then. Oct 14 17:44:22 Go for it! Oct 14 17:45:04 <[Rui]> ok, after reboot it now works as normal Oct 14 18:09:35 damnit Oct 14 18:09:36 raster: Oct 14 18:09:55 what's the link i need to make om2007.11 work? Oct 14 18:10:05 the 'iso-8859-1' error Oct 14 18:11:08 anybody know? Oct 14 18:15:47 nvm, found it Oct 14 18:16:26 \o/ Oct 14 18:17:40 hello, is there any informations on android phones...are they locked(that is to say you have the sources(of the kernel and stuff that are not google's)...but if you modify them you can't run them on the phone because of cryptographic signatures in the bootloader) Oct 14 18:17:46 ? Oct 14 18:18:21 man Oct 14 18:18:25 Apple's such a dick. Oct 14 18:19:12 <[Rui]> do you get a hacking htc dream site that doens't involve ugly cracks? Oct 14 18:19:32 GNUtoo: Android T-Mo will be locked initially. Oct 14 18:20:00 GNUtoo: It will depend on the vendor and how much they want to lock down the phone. Oct 14 18:20:02 ok thanks...so i did a good thing buying a freerunner... Oct 14 18:20:20 GNUtoo: unless of course you actually want to make a phone call Oct 14 18:20:23 * toggles_w ducks Oct 14 18:20:39 :P Oct 14 18:20:45 * Dave smirks at toggles Oct 14 18:20:50 toggles_w, lol...i tried to use it as a phone and the main problem was the battery life... Oct 14 18:20:54 GNUtoo: FR will most likely run Android at some point. Oct 14 18:20:59 my gf just stopped by, "why the hell did you pay all that money for this thing when you cant even call me?" Oct 14 18:21:06 she just doesn't get it... ;-) Oct 14 18:21:23 hahaha Oct 14 18:21:29 be glad you haven't gotten dumped yet :P Oct 14 18:21:44 lol, i think i would if i explained it to her ;-) Oct 14 18:21:50 :D Oct 14 18:21:54 toggles_w, mmm....the freerunner is more like a computer(that is too slow for running firefox or openoffice and certains apps) Oct 14 18:21:59 It's not me baby, it's the hardware... Oct 14 18:22:14 I debate too slow for FF Oct 14 18:22:23 true Oct 14 18:22:28 I'm running FF on PII/300 (1.5) Oct 14 18:22:31 SpeedEvil, yes it's usable but slow... Oct 14 18:22:37 I disagree actually. Oct 14 18:22:49 It's quite usably fast enough with up to 20 tabs or so. Oct 14 18:22:58 but surely that isn't enough for you? Oct 14 18:22:59 for instance it takes ages to load...so mabe you're right on the fact that FF3 is usable Oct 14 18:23:03 right Oct 14 18:23:13 anyhoo, chrome, anybody? Oct 14 18:23:14 20 tabs on the openmoko? Oct 14 18:23:17 rofl Oct 14 18:23:23 gnu{-: no - my PII/300 laptop Oct 14 18:23:31 you'd likely have to distribute that across several Oct 14 18:23:34 ah ok...because i tried it on the openmoko Oct 14 18:23:37 gnu{-: I have had FF displaying - but not running on OM. Oct 14 18:24:03 SpeedEvil: you must mean GNUtoo ... Oct 14 18:24:08 SpeedEvil, the main problem for me of ff on openmoko is the certificates Oct 14 18:24:13 gnu{-: yes, sorry Oct 14 18:24:27 heh Oct 14 18:24:31 konqueeror? Oct 14 18:24:49 gnu{-, you are john gilmore...wow...you're part of gnash initiative...and have a wikipedia page Oct 14 18:25:11 * SpeedEvil is spartacus! Oct 14 18:25:16 hmm is a pII 300mhz more powerful than 500mhz armv4? Oct 14 18:25:17 hardly Oct 14 18:25:22 bumble :D Oct 14 18:25:33 isn't irony great? Oct 14 18:25:49 opera mobile would be nice on the freerunner Oct 14 18:25:55 bumbl: it's about comparable - the PII is a little faster. Oct 14 18:25:56 it's quite fast Oct 14 18:26:08 bumbl: owing to the cache. Oct 14 18:26:08 supports most/all standards Oct 14 18:26:27 and the ui is not that bad Oct 14 18:26:37 Speedevil, my PII-233 running redhat is WAY faster... Oct 14 18:26:44 s/you are/are you Oct 14 18:27:29 Dave: it depends how you bench it. Oct 14 18:27:36 ah mabe he's not.. Oct 14 18:27:41 true, of course Oct 14 18:27:52 bumbl, 400Mhz Oct 14 18:28:04 Dave: lack of FPU, lack of cache, lack of fast peripherals will slow it lots Oct 14 18:28:11 heh Oct 14 18:28:35 ah yes fpu...does mplayer have tremor? Oct 14 18:28:43 because it has mad Oct 14 18:31:19 sir Oct 14 18:32:08 ah the domain matches...mabe he is... Oct 14 18:34:25 o.O Oct 14 18:34:40 Gnu2: fear. Oct 14 18:35:21 Heil, Openmoko ☭ Oct 14 18:40:22 how usable is fennec? Oct 14 18:40:40 i just discovered that it's in the oe repository... Oct 14 18:42:37 raster: http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg what is the model of that sharp? Oct 14 18:42:38 does anyone know if the Freerunner will run Android? (I came across an older blog post that states that the Neo 1973 will not, but I haven't been able to determine if that is still true) Oct 14 18:42:58 largos: is it free software? Oct 14 18:43:31 lindi-: it's Apache V2, but there was an issue with ARMv4 vs. v5 instruction set support Oct 14 18:43:37 we need to wait until google release th sourcecode Oct 14 18:43:48 largos: is it written in assembler? Oct 14 18:43:52 ah.. Oct 14 18:44:05 lindi-: I would assume not, but I'm unsure :) Oct 14 18:44:15 largos: how can instruction set be an issue then? Oct 14 18:44:19 it seems reasonable to assume that parts of it will use ARM assembly Oct 14 18:44:30 Because the source is not released. Oct 14 18:44:38 it's written in java Oct 14 18:44:42 haha Oct 14 18:44:46 Hire: ah.. Oct 14 18:44:46 Not the VM Oct 14 18:45:10 Nor all the logic that connects the custom Linux kernel they use to the JVM Oct 14 18:45:23 That's all closed, proprietary code. Oct 14 18:45:37 dang Oct 14 18:46:04 <[Rui]> http://blog.1407.org/2008/10/14/openmoko-newrotate-checks-brightness/ Oct 14 18:46:08 Somebody seems to think that if they stuff a few kernel patches out to the LAKL, and release the source to a few Java apps, that makes it open, somehow... :( Oct 14 18:47:00 Fuck you Google? Oct 14 18:47:05 mwester: bah... that is pretty frustrating. The android page, of course, makes no obvious mention of that Oct 14 18:47:23 for obvious rasons :p Oct 14 18:47:24 that does make my choice of phones a lot easier though :) Oct 14 18:47:26 reasons Oct 14 18:47:30 hehe! Ain't marketing a great thing? Oct 14 18:47:30 heh Oct 14 18:47:38 fucking marketing! Oct 14 18:47:43 Marketing and politics -- the REAL oldest professions Oct 14 18:47:52 hehe Oct 14 18:48:27 so, the freerunner *is* shipping & usable, right? Oct 14 18:48:33 <[Rui]> yeah, because a prostitute that doesn't look nice enough and that isn't political enough to charge a fair price wouldn't ever make it ;) Oct 14 18:48:52 <[Rui]> largos: shipping yes, usable... depends Oct 14 18:49:02 <[Rui]> largos: I use it as a daily phone, sms, etc... Oct 14 18:49:06 [Rui]: she'd just need a pimp that can convince the customers to buy sight-unseen Oct 14 18:49:20 <[Rui]> largos: but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who isn't a coder or has no love for Free Software Oct 14 18:49:27 [Rui]: done right, she may not even need to fullfill her end of the bargain ;) Oct 14 18:49:41 <[Rui]> largos: but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who isn't a coder WHO has love for Free Software Oct 14 18:49:43 largos: You've just described politics. Oct 14 18:49:52 :D Oct 14 18:49:53 mwester: good point Oct 14 18:51:03 [Rui]: cool -- are you running the more stable of the builds? Oct 14 18:51:04 hi. anyone using Remoko? The app is stuck at "Waiting for connection ...". I've tried to connect to both a linux and a windows machine Oct 14 18:51:20 <[Rui]> largos: I'm running Om2008.9 Oct 14 18:52:03 [Rui]: ah, good to hear :) Oct 14 18:52:28 <[Rui]> largos: but I'm anxiously waiting for the Om fusion with FSO Oct 14 18:52:35 <[Rui]> which should come by early 2009 Oct 14 18:52:54 [Rui]: hm.. what is that? Oct 14 18:53:36 <[Rui]> largos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO Oct 14 18:53:42 <[Rui]> largos: the future Oct 14 18:53:53 hehe Oct 14 18:54:01 <[Rui]> largos: raster also has beein doing very nice images, and they are now FSO based. Oct 14 18:54:11 <[Rui]> largos: his latest is very nice, but I found it too unusable Oct 14 18:54:19 are there any major hardware changes planned? Oct 14 18:54:31 raster generally creates beautiful things :) Oct 14 18:54:52 * largos has been hooked on E for.... ages Oct 14 18:57:22 np: Ebeneezer Good - E's R good. Oct 14 18:57:55 thanks for the info, everyone. it sounds like I should run a couple of the software stacks emulated and order a freerunner :) Oct 14 18:58:14 Hire: it's the c860 Oct 14 18:58:27 thx :D Oct 14 18:59:04 Hire: I asked the same thing this afternoon and I remembered the answer ;) Oct 14 19:05:49 OK, I have gdbserver running on the Neo but which gdb should I run on the PC to connect to it? Oct 14 19:08:38 mm, gdb-cross ... Oct 14 19:09:21 ...built, but no arm-linux-gdb Oct 14 19:11:10 arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gdb Oct 14 19:12:15 :] Oct 14 19:13:39 stack on PC side is no longer 0x0000, but still one entry. Oct 14 19:13:58 Neo says "gdb: error initializing thread_db library: version mismatch between libthread_db and libpthread" Oct 14 19:15:18 I do hope someone made a shell-script to use that arm-*-gdb on the PC with a remote arm-based machine, no? Oct 14 19:17:13 where are the "destop" folder on 2008.9? Oct 14 19:17:35 I need to find the command run by an icon Oct 14 19:22:46 am I allowed to paste in here? Oct 14 19:23:33 is it possible to run clutter based widgets on the freerunner, or is it not because of the lack of 3d drivers? Oct 14 19:26:08 Can anyone dechipher this terminal output: Oct 14 19:26:09 root@om-gta02:~# remoko Oct 14 19:26:09 Traceback (most recent call last): Oct 14 19:26:09 File "/usr/share/remoko/remoko/remoko", line 33, in Oct 14 19:26:09 import ecore.x Oct 14 19:26:09 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ecore/x/__init__.py", line 266, in Oct 14 19:26:10 init() Oct 14 19:26:12 File "ecore.x.c_ecore_x.pyx", line 38, in ecore.x.c_ecore_x.init Oct 14 19:26:14 File "ecore.x.c_ecore_x_events.pxi", line 657, in ecore.x.c_ecore_x.x_events_register Oct 14 19:26:16 File "ecore.c_ecore_events.pxi", line 27, in ecore.c_ecore._event_mapping_register Oct 14 19:26:18 ValueError: event type '0' already registered. Oct 14 19:34:43 bove2: sound like a common problem... hang on a sec Oct 14 19:36:01 bove2: try this: Fortunately if you change the "init()" call on line 82 of Oct 14 19:36:01 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_init_.py Oct 14 19:36:01 to "_init()" Oct 14 19:40:35 2 secs Oct 14 19:47:37 that did not help Oct 14 19:54:27 sry. it's seems my problem simply occoured because I was running trhough ssh witout specifying display=;0 Oct 14 20:08:45 by the way why youtube plays fine but not others videos like mpeg2/4? Oct 14 20:09:04 as youtube i means flv container version Oct 14 20:09:20 (obviously in mplayer) Oct 14 20:10:40 #Pennergame.Fun Oct 14 20:10:50 ... Oct 14 20:11:11 someone ban all pennergameuser fellows, just to make it overkill Oct 14 20:11:24 sometimes i am ashamed of other germans... Oct 14 20:18:15 hi guys, just edited http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone . honestly i just added the first line. but now the whole layout got messed up... what is going on??? Oct 14 20:23:29 if i undo and preview even the old version is broken now... Oct 14 20:26:21 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r9c578aff0511 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: Fixed suspend/resume to take into account truly enabled GPS. Oct 14 20:48:00 I just received my frerunner today! Oct 14 20:48:21 how do I determine the installed version of the SW? Oct 14 20:50:43 nikolajsheller: does it look like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Openmoko2007.2_home_screen.png ? Oct 14 20:51:09 nikolajsheller: then its om2007.2. You should probably flash a new kernel+rootfs. Oct 14 20:51:29 kinda. Without the clock, date and second tomost bar Oct 14 20:51:56 2008.8? Oct 14 20:52:07 nikolajsheller: nope. 2008.8 looks radically different. Oct 14 20:52:33 nikolajsheller: it is 2007.2 Oct 14 20:52:34 nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Om2008_home.png Oct 14 20:52:36 thats ok. as long as it's faily usable Oct 14 20:52:44 by default, that does not have the time or top bar Oct 14 20:53:20 2007.2 has some basic functionality, but it has a tonne of bugs and no one is working on it Oct 14 20:53:31 nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Oct 14 20:53:46 2008.9 is the current version, and it is being worked on actively, but it also seems to have a lot of listed bugs Oct 14 20:53:58 nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Oct 14 20:54:01 2008.x replaces the basic functionality with almost zero functionality, and adds many new bugs, with a whole group of people working on it to do very little actually. Oct 14 20:54:05 nikolajsheller: the wiki contains a lot of info. Oct 14 20:54:35 mwester: hehe that's a nice summary rather negative though ;) Oct 14 20:54:45 mwester: yeah, i have delayed updating to 2008.9 for a while, b/c it seems to have so many bugs listed and so little visible progress Oct 14 20:55:00 I call it like I see it :( Oct 14 20:55:03 mwester: don't scare of the fresh people :) Oct 14 20:55:20 but is 2008.x usable? Some bugs are to be expected.. Oct 14 20:55:35 Just setting expectations. Now if the fresh people want a good first impression of the phone, they should try FSO or Qtopia. Oct 14 20:55:36 eek! *thows phone away* Oct 14 20:55:39 hey, i've had a freeruner for 4 months, and i still cannot reliably make and receive calls. kust being honest Oct 14 20:55:51 nikolajsheller: depends on your understanding of usable? Oct 14 20:55:53 i love the idea, but execution is awfully slow Oct 14 20:56:49 well maybe I should install 2008.x and see if what happens Oct 14 20:57:06 guess I can allways downgrade Oct 14 20:57:10 A year and a half since I paid $500 for a Neo and a debug board, and still there is no Openmoko software that can make it work as well as the dumbest phone on the market. Thank goodness there are other projects for the device! Oct 14 20:57:14 nikolajsheller: yeah, best thing is to try out all the different flavours, you can always reflash- Oct 14 20:58:10 Yep, try the various projects -- get a feel for what they are trying to build, and see which one (or ones) feel best for you. Then see if you can help in any way on those projects. Oct 14 20:58:13 mwester: let's hope OM doesn't sign up for yet another iteration which leads to no end... Oct 14 20:58:37 Kensan: Didn't they just do that -- a new dialer was announced a few days ago ? Oct 14 20:58:44 ok. Thanks for the status. (and honesty) Oct 14 20:59:19 I'll be back methinks ;) Oct 14 20:59:40 guess most of you have set up the toolchain already... i get following when running "make" on the sample app: Oct 14 20:59:49 libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.la' Oct 14 21:00:14 mwester: I don't know, which mailinglist? I only follow devel & kernel Oct 14 21:00:16 somehow the path got wrong... Oct 14 21:00:33 anybody who can help me out? Oct 14 21:00:53 Kensan: it was buried in one of the Engineering News articles. Oct 14 21:01:53 mwester: oh ok. I skip those most of the time. Oct 14 21:03:17 is it possible to flash from a 64 bit system? Oct 14 21:03:35 nikolajsheller: yes Oct 14 21:05:07 exactt: ok? without using chroot? Oct 14 21:05:44 nikolajsheller: actually i am using dfu-util in ubuntu 8.10 Oct 14 21:05:55 which distro are you on? Oct 14 21:06:01 8.04 Oct 14 21:06:01 the debian side is getting a few things done Oct 14 21:06:15 try the .deb from 8.10 Oct 14 21:06:29 according to the wiki it should work... Oct 14 21:07:02 I'm using "dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160" Oct 14 21:07:27 ./dfu-util -l does not show the connected frerunner Oct 14 21:07:42 http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/electronics/dfu-util Oct 14 21:07:58 did u plug it in after starting dfu? Oct 14 21:07:59 nikolajsheller, root Oct 14 21:08:15 same with sudo ./dfu-util -l Oct 14 21:08:30 nikolajsheller, no usb hubs in between? Oct 14 21:08:36 nope Oct 14 21:08:37 are you in uBoot (NOR) ? Oct 14 21:08:41 nope Oct 14 21:08:46 well Oct 14 21:08:54 :) thanks (Y) Oct 14 21:09:06 oh yeah, that should've been the first question, really... Oct 14 21:09:26 are you following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner ? Oct 14 21:09:37 nope Oct 14 21:09:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Download_the_DFU-util_program Oct 14 21:10:20 but that was obviously not the one to follow :) Oct 14 21:10:33 Linux: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util Make sure it is executable by setting the permissions with this command: chmod a+x dfu-util Note: dfu-util seems to consistently fail with a "-62" error on 64-bit Linux. If you have access to a 32-bit machine, use it instead! There are some ubuntu64 interpid packages which work just fine for me in hardy too. So you might try at your own risk: [1]. Oct 14 21:11:24 u can uase a 64 bit machine with a 32 bit os on it\ Oct 14 21:12:04 put a slax live cd in it Oct 14 21:12:19 yaaaa hhaaaaaahahaha Oct 14 21:12:38 yeah, but it would be easier to run it "straight" :) Oct 14 21:13:17 exactt seems to have a working solution for the 64 bit problem Oct 14 21:14:03 have you tried the intrepid deb? Oct 14 21:14:20 i just installed it on 8.04 AMD64 Oct 14 21:14:36 no probs so far... Oct 14 21:15:26 So I have 2008.9 and it seems to be unable to connect to Wifi and so I can't download any packages? Oct 14 21:16:13 cool. I'll just try with the 0.1+svn4160 version. then fall back to the .deb with 0.0+r4067-3.1 Oct 14 21:16:13 esthar: have you got usb networking running? Oct 14 21:16:27 exactt: No, do I have to do that to get online? Oct 14 21:17:12 esthar: no. but i installed mofi first via usb-networking... but you could also use the sd-card Oct 14 21:17:29 esthar: with mofi i got wlan running... Oct 14 21:17:43 look at /etc/resolv.conf an see if theres a public ip address in there Oct 14 21:18:33 exactt: Do you run FDOM or 2008.9 or what? Oct 14 21:18:39 2008.9 Oct 14 21:18:49 fdom is ready to go Oct 14 21:19:11 Hmm, maybe I should just get that then? Oct 14 21:19:44 no just edit /etc/resolv.conf Oct 14 21:20:04 FDOM? Oct 14 21:20:08 esthar: can you ping anything? Oct 14 21:20:32 nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM Oct 14 21:20:38 You know that issue with events/0, well, it stops eating CPU in the same mystical fashion like it started. Oct 14 21:20:46 hehe Oct 14 21:21:15 then do these 3 lines as root Oct 14 21:21:17 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Oct 14 21:21:33 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Oct 14 21:21:45 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Oct 14 21:22:01 slaxxin: am i mssing something? esthar has problems with WiFi not usb-networking... Oct 14 21:22:08 oo Oct 14 21:22:12 sorry Oct 14 21:22:51 I have not set up or used USB entworking though Oct 14 21:23:01 But yes, my primary issue is broken Wifi with 2008.9 Oct 14 21:23:02 downloading packages with wifi? Oct 14 21:23:13 Doesn't work... Oct 14 21:23:24 is not a good plan Oct 14 21:23:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra72c8c56f3f5 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: Oct 14 21:23:27 freesmartphone.org: Revert "Fixed suspend/resume to take into account truly enabled GPS." Oct 14 21:23:27 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 9c578aff0511d548701b5be995b4215544d77f70 as the Oct 14 21:23:27 freesmartphone.org: problem arises from a bug in the resource system where disabled Oct 14 21:23:27 freesmartphone.org: resources will be resumed. Oct 14 21:23:31 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r26bf98bd4438 10/framework/resource.py: Oct 14 21:23:33 freesmartphone.org: resource.py: Don't put a "disabled" resource into "suspended" state. Oct 14 21:23:35 freesmartphone.org: If we call ok_callback() in Suspend() when encountering a disabled Oct 14 21:23:37 freesmartphone.org: resource its next status will be "suspended" which is not what we want. Oct 14 21:23:39 freesmartphone.org: Instead call dbus_ok() directly. Oct 14 21:24:16 its only my opinion though Oct 14 21:25:06 As soon as I boot up the screen goes black and touching it does nothign Oct 14 21:25:24 esthar: disable suspend Oct 14 21:25:34 press power button to wake it up Oct 14 21:25:39 well keep touching the screen Oct 14 21:25:49 than go to settings to disabel it Oct 14 21:26:03 Is suspend broken, or...? Oct 14 21:26:04 then set the power management to 60 seconds Oct 14 21:27:03 what would be the difference between: Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 and Om2008.9.rootfs.jffs2? Oct 14 21:27:10 same date, same size Oct 14 21:27:11 fdom worked fairly well Oct 14 21:27:22 it;s a sym-link Oct 14 21:27:32 so both are the same Oct 14 21:27:46 ah. thank you once again! Oct 14 21:28:51 would you recommend flashing the boot loader? wiki states: "NOTE: In most cases you don't need to flash your bootloader. " Oct 14 21:29:20 aksing for troulbe? Oct 14 21:30:34 as far as i know there ain't any advantage at the moment Oct 14 21:31:12 but an the GTA02 it ain't a big deal anymore anyway because of the uBoot(NOR) Oct 14 21:32:07 and Om2008.9.splash.gz is the kernel? Oct 14 21:32:23 nope the .bin file must be Oct 14 21:32:42 Wiki: "The boot loader (U-boot) file should have a .bin extension." Oct 14 21:33:32 I'm a bit confues as to where the kernel is located. in the .bin file or jffs2 file? Oct 14 21:34:13 kernel is a .bin file Oct 14 21:34:20 for rootfs take the jffs2 Oct 14 21:34:52 ok. the wiki states the .bin file is NAND boot loader.... Oct 14 21:35:27 in http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ would find a boot loader as well Oct 14 21:35:33 you would Oct 14 21:35:54 just skip the boot loader part for the moment Oct 14 21:36:08 lookin good so far Oct 14 21:36:36 flashing is actually pretty straight forward i think... Oct 14 21:37:40 If this works, I'll agree with you :) Oct 14 21:37:59 ooo it will Oct 14 21:38:16 what u puttin on abnyways? Oct 14 21:38:33 *watches # in the shell* Oct 14 21:38:43 2008.9 Oct 14 21:38:54 well good luck Oct 14 21:38:58 heh :) Oct 14 21:39:20 what is your reccomendation? Oct 14 21:39:36 debian on the 2+gig sdcard Oct 14 21:39:51 an fdom on flash Oct 14 21:39:58 debian? Oct 14 21:40:02 unless your a developer Oct 14 21:40:30 I would like to try and write a program or two... Oct 14 21:40:42 for OpenMoko Oct 14 21:40:49 buy a couple of 4 gig kingston microsd cards for 13.50 each Oct 14 21:41:28 ok? and install different distributions? Oct 14 21:42:52 currently 2008.9 will eat 3 batterys a day Oct 14 21:43:08 hmmmm Oct 14 21:43:25 qt extended goes all day but still loses sound Oct 14 21:43:35 sometimes Oct 14 21:44:00 debian is gettin sweeter by the minuite Oct 14 21:44:10 what kind of UI does your debian use? Oct 14 21:45:07 well i have xfce with zhone on top Oct 14 21:45:57 ok? what about other programs? GPS? Oct 14 21:46:11 but the default is just a zhone interface Oct 14 21:46:36 i have tangogps on debian an it works well Oct 14 21:47:24 fdom is loaded 2008.9 Oct 14 21:48:00 if u want to develope maybe an empty image is in order Oct 14 21:48:49 to use debian u might need to upgrade uboot depending what version u have Oct 14 21:49:19 "fdom is loaded 2008.9"? Oct 14 21:49:56 I'm trying to grasp the distribuition system Oct 14 21:50:07 fdom is the 2008.9 Oct 14 21:50:14 plus tons of extra stuff Oct 14 21:50:22 is 2008.x a distribution? Oct 14 21:50:35 2008.9 is the really bare distro Oct 14 21:50:36 yes Oct 14 21:50:46 is fdom a repository that can be used by 2008.9= Oct 14 21:50:55 no, fdom is a distro Oct 14 21:51:01 ok Oct 14 21:52:30 w00t! It's booting! Oct 14 21:53:17 so which distribution should I go with? Oct 14 21:53:28 once it boots then reboot for good measure Oct 14 21:53:39 I dont really understand why Openmoko has so many distros Oct 14 21:53:58 ok...? Oct 14 21:53:59 because it can Oct 14 21:54:02 if u gonna write a program 2008.9 is good Oct 14 21:54:05 same reason linux has 462624 distros Oct 14 21:54:14 all about choice :) Oct 14 21:54:29 ColdFyre: in this case not really imho... Oct 14 21:54:37 it's all about freedom Oct 14 21:54:44 shr is to wait for Oct 14 21:54:58 I can understand different companies with different distros.... but open moko with... what 6? Oct 14 21:55:11 its a foot race Oct 14 21:55:19 ColdFyre: it's because too many people are too disappointed with what OM has brought to the table so far... Oct 14 21:55:22 imho Oct 14 21:55:25 OM has one that they focus on - the OM200x.x releases Oct 14 21:55:29 still in discover mode Oct 14 21:55:50 ok. fair enough Oct 14 21:56:40 I'll fool around with a couple of distros Oct 14 21:57:23 nikolajsheller: ok, be sure to come here and tell us what you have found out :) Oct 14 21:58:16 exactt, slaxxin, ColdFyre, Kensan: thank you for all your help so far. I'll be back to ask more questions and report my findings Oct 14 21:59:11 check out neopwn Oct 14 21:59:46 http://www.neopwn.com/ Oct 14 22:00:01 SURPRISE Oct 14 22:00:16 super dave Oct 14 22:00:30 HA @ neopwn Oct 14 22:00:45 * ColdFyre thinks his neo is going to land him in prison for taking down ATT Oct 14 22:01:11 remotely Oct 14 22:01:32 Huzzah! Oct 14 22:01:41 some german hacker really has controll of your neo Oct 14 22:02:04 really? even though the battery is out? Oct 14 22:02:12 prolly Oct 14 22:02:28 now i have excuses for my actions Oct 14 22:02:35 heh Oct 14 22:02:48 slaxxin: or does he? *muahahaha* Oct 14 22:03:25 bum bum bum Oct 14 22:03:38 some remote chip that doesnt require any software Oct 14 22:06:11 hah that neopwn look like the most functional distro yet Oct 14 22:06:39 ColdFyre: unfortunately the sources to the distro are not open afaict Oct 14 22:07:01 oh well :p Oct 14 22:07:18 so, i think i'm going to attempt a gentoo distro Oct 14 22:09:10 ColdFyre: would you like some fish with your rice? ;-) Oct 14 22:09:47 that joke went over my head :| Oct 14 22:10:17 gentoo people are called ricers, like the kids that soup up honda civic Oct 14 22:10:40 same sort of thing, like to tweak their distros, like the civic kids Oct 14 22:10:56 you know Oct 14 22:11:06 like putting spoilers on front wheel drive vehicles Oct 14 22:11:09 i dunno, i like gentoo, i run it on all my mcahines Oct 14 22:11:34 i do doo Oct 14 22:11:40 my work laptop runs it Oct 14 22:11:41 package management is sane, it works and when you like to help fix software there is nothing like a -9999 ebuild Oct 14 22:11:49 hah Oct 14 22:12:12 i will be the ultimate ladies man when i show off my phone running gentoo Oct 14 22:12:32 yeah, i have 5 computers in my house running gentoo and i wiped the xp at work and installed gentoo much to the disdain of the is department Oct 14 22:12:41 ladyboy possibly but you will not meet women :P Oct 14 22:12:56 dont bother getting their digits though, you wont be able to call! ;-) Oct 14 22:13:11 HA Oct 14 22:13:15 true :( Oct 14 22:13:24 i can't even think of a dialer off hand Oct 14 22:15:43 toggles_w, the difference between me and a ricer, is that i don't have a comically oversized spoiler that creates drag Oct 14 22:16:15 oh, and i don't participate in behaviour that risks the lives of others through my lack of adherence to laws and common sense :) Oct 14 22:16:33 but yeah, gentoo rules Oct 14 22:18:04 i'm a big fan, i learnt a lot about how linux works just installing it ;-) Oct 14 22:18:31 indeed... you learn a lot about problem solving Oct 14 22:18:50 and the knowledge generally isn't gentoo-specific (unless it's a portage issue, heh) Oct 14 22:21:58 yeah, there is nothing to compare to a friday night at home with a beer watching gcc output during a stage1 Oct 14 22:21:58 someone pirate neopwn Oct 14 22:23:05 stage1 isn't worth it Oct 14 22:23:27 toggles_w: i watch it from vnc on my phone while at the club in my VIP table Oct 14 22:23:35 i make a base and then recompile libc and the base on the native/current gcc Oct 14 22:23:54 ColdFyre: lol Oct 14 22:24:05 why not just use ssh/screen? :P Oct 14 22:24:16 the girls come up "what are you doing" "watching gcc and binutils compile" Oct 14 22:24:29 ohhh yeah, binutils... Oct 14 22:24:36 say it again Oct 14 22:25:10 this laser stylus too just tops it Oct 14 22:25:19 ColdFyre, find a copyright holder for software being used on "neopwn" and get them complain that they're violating the gpl Oct 14 22:25:40 ieatlint: already on it Oct 14 22:26:20 there is no readily found contact info Oct 14 22:26:31 if they're an actual distriubtor, then i bet openmoko would love to hear about it too Oct 14 22:27:15 i'll email them tonight pretending to be interested and fish out info, and then read the lawyers Oct 14 22:27:22 ready,too Oct 14 22:28:22 ColdFyre: actually they only have to distribute sources to their customers Oct 14 22:28:38 Tig|, not true Oct 14 22:28:54 they have to freely make the sources of all GPL software available to all Oct 14 22:29:25 ieatlint: are you sure on that? Oct 14 22:30:04 LINT Oct 14 22:30:28 relatively Oct 14 22:30:30 hey dave Oct 14 22:30:41 relatively dave? Oct 14 22:31:37 42 Oct 14 22:32:09 You're right! Oct 14 22:32:13 * Dave gives toggles a gold star Oct 14 22:33:36 * toggles_w bows Oct 14 22:34:07 ./gold_star: libcairo.so.0 not found Oct 14 22:35:17 ColdFyre: revdep-rebuild -X should fix it Oct 14 22:36:07 ieatlint: I think you will find they are only obligated to distribute the sources to the people that they have distributed the binaries too (assuming GPL v2) Oct 14 22:37:02 linux humor > * Oct 14 22:37:21 There would be nothing to stop a person who they distributed the sources too sending them to others though Oct 14 22:37:55 im gonna buy a sdcard Oct 14 22:38:05 Tig|, looking into it, you are correct, as long as they are selling unmodified versions of the code Oct 14 22:38:09 (assuming all the sources they were sent were under a distributable licence) Oct 14 22:38:53 ieatlint: even if they were modifying it then they would only have to supply the modified versions to the people they had supplied the binaries to Oct 14 22:39:02 modified sources Oct 14 22:40:02 nope Oct 14 22:40:15 3a or 3b? Oct 14 22:40:21 because the GPL requires that you release all modifications freely if you make your modifications in any way public Oct 14 22:41:12 ieatlint: section 3 gives you three options Oct 14 22:41:15 GPL even requires to release the sources of all modifications to whoever receives the modifications Oct 14 22:41:20 even if nonpublic Oct 14 22:41:42 but especially if public, of course Oct 14 22:41:46 ieatlint: nope, it says you have to release the source modifications to who ever you distribute the software to Oct 14 22:42:30 Tig|: yep if you distribute the source with the binaries Oct 14 22:42:49 the gpl is just a mess :P Oct 14 22:43:02 lindi-: also if they just distribute binaries. Oct 14 22:43:05 so literally one eprson buys it, and they give the source out because it must be provided to the buyer Oct 14 22:43:15 ColdFyre: ack Oct 14 22:43:15 Wonka: if they just distribute binaries they are using 3b? Oct 14 22:43:31 wrong? Oct 14 22:43:35 lindi-: no, if they distribute binaries, they must distribute sources too Oct 14 22:44:09 Wonka: yes in 3b they can distribute binaries along with a written offer to get the sources Oct 14 22:44:21 lindi-: yes although distributing the source is not technically needed but you must make it available, 99% of the time nowadays people put it on a website because it is easier but the GPL does allow it to be made available on suitable media and a reasonable charge for the blank media to be applied Oct 14 22:45:05 (when the GPL2 was written the net was not what it is now :) Oct 14 22:45:07 Tig|: yeah the term is "accompany" Oct 14 22:45:22 by the way, LaF0rge is here *hilight* - he drives gpl-violations.org and might be interested in neopwn.com not distributing sources Oct 14 22:45:42 Wonka: last time i checked gpl-violations.org had infinitely long queue :P Oct 14 22:46:17 Wonka: but they could be just not to you unless they had distributed GPL binaries to you! Oct 14 22:46:56 Tig|: correct Oct 14 22:47:07 Wonka :p Oct 14 22:47:12 Tig|: that's my reading too Oct 14 22:48:11 ey! Oct 14 22:48:20 that was not my intention! Oct 14 22:48:56 Start a holy war! Oct 14 22:48:58 Right for example, Dave sells Wonka a modified version of GCC, Dave has to provide Wonka a copy of the modified sources licensed under the GPL. I cannot turn around to Dave and demand access to those sources under the GPL Oct 14 22:49:22 Wonka however is free to distribute those modified sources under the GPL Oct 14 22:50:32 Tig|: that's how I understood it too Oct 14 22:50:47 Wonka: phew :) Oct 14 22:51:03 clearly neopwn was done by foreigners Oct 14 22:51:05 or ten year olds Oct 14 22:51:19 indicative of their spelling and grammatical usage :p Oct 14 22:51:24 Dave: look at the name Oct 14 22:52:01 huhu Oct 14 22:52:10 okay, true enough :P Oct 14 22:52:13 fucking intarwebs Oct 14 22:53:13 I am waiting for LoLCr@X the kitten themed pen testing distro done by IT pr0z for sH!t and Kittenz LOL!!!!111 Oct 14 22:53:33 What. Oct 14 22:53:35 wat Oct 14 22:53:39 Exactly. Oct 14 22:53:50 Tig needs some MOTIVATION. Oct 14 22:53:56 is this AOL or 4chan Oct 14 22:53:59 I can see that going down well on a report :P Oct 14 22:54:01 hahaha Oct 14 22:54:42 ColdFyre: nah both of those have better luck with their hardware bugs :) Oct 14 22:55:27 they charge on all USB power sources Oct 14 22:56:35 Tig|, what qualifies as "suitable media"? Oct 14 22:56:47 can i put the source on cassette tapes and offer them? Oct 14 22:57:52 ieatlint: the exact terminology is in the GPL Oct 14 22:58:02 heh Oct 14 22:58:14 is it possible to update om2007.02 to om2008.09 just with opkg? Oct 14 22:58:16 8 track ftw! Oct 14 22:58:21 ieatlint: b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three Oct 14 22:58:21 years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your Oct 14 22:58:21 cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete Oct 14 22:58:21 machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be Oct 14 22:58:21 distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium Oct 14 22:58:22 customarily used for software interchange; or, Oct 14 22:59:07 A cassette tape is no longer commonly used for software interchange :) not since the Sinclair Spectrum :) Oct 14 22:59:19 whay?!? Oct 14 22:59:38 hysterical reasons Oct 14 22:59:44 :D Oct 14 22:59:46 extreme networks sent me source code in a usb stick Oct 14 22:59:50 holycow : Oct 14 22:59:51 :D Oct 14 23:00:11 lindi, isn't that today's espionage item of choice? Oct 14 23:00:13 "customarily" is open for debate :) Oct 14 23:00:14 fax is still used Oct 14 23:00:26 ljp: but not machine-readable :) Oct 14 23:00:31 sure it is Oct 14 23:00:33 ljp: for software interchange? Oct 14 23:00:36 cassette is the de facto method on numerous computers Oct 14 23:00:39 :) why not Oct 14 23:00:40 ljp: for software interchange? Oct 14 23:00:40 lindi-: apt-get install gocr Oct 14 23:00:55 (the computers may date back to the 1980s) Oct 14 23:00:55 lindi-: or some 2d barcode stuff :) Oct 14 23:01:19 lindi-: there were computer magazines distributing software in 2d barcodes to be scanned with 300dpi hand scanners... Oct 14 23:01:21 i heard of some encryption code that was faxed out of the US Oct 14 23:01:37 ljp: i only know of PGP exported in book form Oct 14 23:02:04 You might be amazed to see what's still in the telephone switch room in a lot of older places, esp. government buildings. Cassette tapes no, but QIC-24 or older, yep. Oct 14 23:02:08 I think the important phrases here are "were" and "commonly used" in reference to the time the GPL is applied Oct 14 23:02:25 Wonka: yeah but that's not customary :P Oct 14 23:02:28 haha Oct 14 23:02:44 phobie: The answer to your question (amid all this GPL noise) is "no". Oct 14 23:03:48 tbh if someone was trying to be really arsey and tried to give the source out on something like 8 track and somehow got it past a legal challenge in some backwater you would see the fastest 8 track decoder designs springing up on /, Oct 14 23:04:32 mmh... there are softmodems doing up to 36.6 kbps, afaik... Oct 14 23:04:34 mwester: thanks for your view through the noise Oct 14 23:05:23 sooooooooooooooooo Oct 14 23:05:26 starcraft on the freerunner? Oct 14 23:05:35 rofl Oct 14 23:05:38 I thought it would be like apt/dpkg. I ohne dist-upgraded from debian to ubuntu and back without reinstalling... Oct 14 23:05:51 mwester: 2007 ---> 2008.9 via opkg? Oct 14 23:06:09 phobie: There are those who wish it to be so, but it is not so currently. Oct 14 23:06:10 Tig| that was my question Oct 14 23:06:29 Dave: i'd rather have a minesweeper where i actually can flag mines Oct 14 23:07:03 phobie: I would think a reflash is easier, make sure you back up your data first, remember the GPE apps and the QT apps can't read each other's data Oct 14 23:07:14 phobie: The ideal, IMO, is to end up like Gnome/KDE/etc, but at the moment we are like Debian/Fedora/etc. Oct 14 23:07:29 :) Oct 14 23:07:52 hahahaha, true :P Oct 14 23:07:54 that's really annoying Oct 14 23:08:03 all the distros pretty much have one, but you can't flag mines :P Oct 14 23:08:21 * mwester thought he was just doing it wrong. Oct 14 23:08:22 you can in the 2008.x one..if you click just right Oct 14 23:08:37 thank fuck we can make phone calls and send sms Oct 14 23:08:44 We can? Oct 14 23:08:48 oops Oct 14 23:08:48 lol Oct 14 23:09:04 A silly bug is that all my contacts from my simcard are interpreted wrong. I prefixed all numbers with there international code "+45..." but the software omits the "+" and all numbers are wrong Oct 14 23:09:20 hehe Oct 14 23:09:49 the main annoyance I noticed is that when using the qtopia apps in 2008.x to send a message, you have to use the raw number with no -s in it Oct 14 23:10:00 apparently it's not smart enough to cut them out itself Oct 14 23:10:06 to be true... GPRS is more important to me at the moment than GSM. i have a working phone in my pocket, but not a GPS appliance than can download missing maps. Oct 14 23:10:07 phobie: annoying :/ guess you'll have to exchange the + with 00 until it gets dealt with Oct 14 23:10:20 * Tig| waves hand : but the base stack is stable now which is why all the openhand stuff was dropped for qtopia Oct 14 23:10:29 phobie: you can fix the bug? Oct 14 23:10:32 a lot of work Oct 14 23:10:38 phobie: which software does the omiting? Oct 14 23:10:49 if it's in python I can fix it Oct 14 23:10:59 if in C, I won't :) Oct 14 23:12:12 funny you you didn't say you can't Oct 14 23:12:26 yes, I know... Oct 14 23:13:00 C is not made to fall in love with it. Oct 14 23:13:25 i wish everything was in lisp Oct 14 23:13:30 :D Oct 14 23:14:22 There's a shortage of parenthesis; we can't afford to write something so complex in lisp. Oct 14 23:14:52 hehe Oct 14 23:15:13 Apparently braces are also on the endangered list, which is why python had to go back to the old FORTRAN days and use indentation instead. Oct 14 23:15:27 you can't use parenthesis over gsm as they curve around and return to the sender Oct 14 23:15:37 or is that boomerangs? Oct 14 23:15:43 *whack* Oct 14 23:16:02 holycow: your wish would be my hell. Oct 14 23:16:03 :) Oct 14 23:16:09 * raster slaps holycow with a C trout Oct 14 23:16:12 lol Oct 14 23:16:21 one of them has a use and the others are abused by lisp programmers :) Oct 14 23:17:09 * mwester has been in the third level of Hell all day today. (the Java level) Oct 14 23:17:20 raster: don't you need to compile the C trout first? Oct 14 23:17:25 lol Oct 14 23:17:25 mwester: ewwww. poor bugger Oct 14 23:18:05 Tig|: i have mine pre-compiled and waiting for a slappin' Oct 14 23:18:24 with whizzy shiny gfx? :) Oct 14 23:18:26 Can anyone explain why on earth someone would define an ant task that would fire up a batch file (windows), that in turn invoked ant on another task??? Oct 14 23:18:49 Tig|: of course! how could it be anything else! Oct 14 23:18:49 * Wonka assembles an as86 trout and hits Tig| between the eyes with it Oct 14 23:19:01 mwester: job boredom and a hatred of people Oct 14 23:19:09 The problem isn't so much Java itself as the lack of well-rounded knowlege possesed by most business-java-coders. Oct 14 23:19:27 eclipse ftw Oct 14 23:19:35 Hello. Oct 14 23:19:44 Wonka: alas although your trout is very fast it is very small and not portable :P Oct 14 23:19:45 What is the recommended screen resolution for the OpenMoko? Oct 14 23:19:46 mwester: i like to attribute the problem to java. makes me feel good. Oct 14 23:19:47 :) Oct 14 23:20:10 Tig|: the joke was meant to be the "assemble" part Oct 14 23:20:16 Tetracomm: 40x25 Oct 14 23:20:17 I do to, but however poor a language it is, in the end it is just a tool. Oct 14 23:20:33 What? Oct 14 23:20:36 Not that Oct 14 23:20:40 mwester: and a fool with a tool is still a fool... Oct 14 23:20:40 hehehe Oct 14 23:20:44 why do u need to know? Oct 14 23:20:45 For videos and images. Oct 14 23:21:03 Tig|: what about 480x640 then? Oct 14 23:21:04 I am creating a script that will resize videos automatically depending on the mobile device's screen. Oct 14 23:21:08 Tetracomm: what about 480x640 then? Oct 14 23:21:12 Tetracomm: the screen is 640x480 iirc Oct 14 23:21:13 Tig|: not you Oct 14 23:21:14 depends if u view fullscreen or not Oct 14 23:21:16 Yes. :) Oct 14 23:21:19 also depends how fast u want decode Oct 14 23:21:24 if its an image - not relevant Oct 14 23:21:32 if tis video res will determine fps playback Oct 14 23:21:41 I want a resolution which will enable them to fill the screen, but won't take up too much memory. Oct 14 23:21:49 ie 480x640 or 640x480 will decode much more slowly than 320x240 (and then scaled up) Oct 14 23:21:51 qvga mode? Oct 14 23:21:57 but u then losw quality in 320x240 Oct 14 23:21:58 etc.... Oct 14 23:22:07 Wonka: i know hence the comment about your trout being very small and not portable Oct 14 23:22:11 :) Oct 14 23:22:15 btw, does qvga still work in the recent kernels and window managers, et al Oct 14 23:22:17 ? Oct 14 23:22:31 Tig|: carefull how you phrase that Oct 14 23:22:36 sounds kinky Oct 14 23:22:46 Ok, so 320x240 will always look decent? Oct 14 23:22:56 mwester: works with e+illume like a charm. but xglamo is most unhappy about setting up qvga lcd timings etc and the toucscreen input is borked too as it doesnt get scaled Oct 14 23:22:59 is trout a euphemism that I am not aware of? Oct 14 23:23:22 raster: I hope someone fixes that... Oct 14 23:23:23 * raster waves his trout about Oct 14 23:23:39 mwester: so do i... actually... i dont much care. it looks like arse anyway Oct 14 23:23:40 :) Oct 14 23:23:56 Which looks better? Oct 14 23:24:01 (and not the lcd timing mess - the blockiness thansk to pixel doubling) Oct 14 23:24:14 At which resolution will the phone not have to stretch the video? Oct 14 23:24:27 my treo650's 320x320 is much nicer than 320x240 on the FR Oct 14 23:24:40 TeringTuby: the screen is 480x640 (default) Oct 14 23:24:47 or if u rotate landcape 640x480 Oct 14 23:25:09 Tig|: in other news, the smaller a weapon is, the more man-portable it is Oct 14 23:25:13 Fine, 320x240 it is. Oct 14 23:25:24 RASTER Oct 14 23:25:26 It's you! Oct 14 23:25:34 * raster denies that allegation Oct 14 23:25:42 warning nothing gets past Dave Oct 14 23:25:57 >:) Oct 14 23:25:57 * raster ponders why his textblock cursor does wierd jumps as he edits text Oct 14 23:26:08 Raster, it's excited to see you :p Oct 14 23:26:19 raster: I blame those E devs Oct 14 23:26:33 * raster slaps himself appropriately Oct 14 23:26:42 with a trout? Oct 14 23:26:59 Tig|: no. i have a special slapping impliment just for myself Oct 14 23:28:10 speaking of which, are you planning on putting the source for your E based media centre/player up anywhere? as it kind of fits what I need but am using MythTV atm the moment which is overkill Oct 14 23:29:34 Tig|: been in svn for years... Oct 14 23:29:44 i put almost al my stuff in svn Oct 14 23:29:47 svn is my release mechanism Oct 14 23:29:51 oops Oct 14 23:29:53 * raster is a lazy developer Oct 14 23:30:09 just think of every commit as a release Oct 14 23:30:21 sorry then I will have a browse, tbh I rarely browse svn as I am a lazy sysadmin :) Oct 14 23:30:24 it comes with a whole release blurbe (log)! Oct 14 23:30:25 :) Oct 14 23:30:26 * DocScrutinizer smiles Oct 14 23:30:55 cool :) Oct 14 23:36:35 right bed time for me, night all Oct 14 23:39:40 Joerg! Oct 14 23:39:51 * Dave commits raster Oct 14 23:40:38 * raster conflicts Oct 14 23:40:57 lol Oct 15 00:20:54 too bad you were using cvs as now raster is really messed up Oct 15 00:23:06 * raster cries Oct 15 00:27:20 * ljp edits raster with emacs Oct 15 00:28:15 * rooly|away was lucky enough to already have raster opened in nano Oct 15 00:28:21 * rooly|away reverts raster Oct 15 00:30:50 * raster feels used... like a 2 dolla hooker. everyone's editing him Oct 15 00:36:33 * ljp gets back to fixing the sdk Oct 15 00:39:10 diff3 raster world dave Oct 15 00:39:19 SIGSEGV Oct 15 00:39:26 i dont segv Oct 15 00:39:32 i "white box of death" Oct 15 00:39:33 :) Oct 15 00:39:36 probably was Dave then Oct 15 00:48:22 * ljp prods mwester for a telepathy for build Oct 15 00:48:29 for neo, that is Oct 15 00:49:44 WHO DAVES ME!? Oct 15 00:49:52 daves ont here, man Oct 15 00:49:55 not Oct 15 00:50:06 * Dave throws roos at lorn Oct 15 00:50:23 should do that, they have wings ya know Oct 15 00:50:28 blah shouldnt Oct 15 00:50:31 haha Oct 15 00:50:40 * ljp orders new thumbs on ebay.com.au Oct 15 00:51:06 :D Oct 15 00:53:46 setting up xchat conveniently on N810 really is a PITA Oct 15 00:54:32 hahahaha Oct 15 00:54:32 :D Oct 15 00:56:20 http://people.defora.org/~khorben/200810.html#20081015022630 Oct 15 01:42:28 heh -- here was our group buy leader back in july :s http://www.komonews.com/news/30891284.html Oct 15 01:47:58 swc|666: insane... and horrid Oct 15 01:48:16 yep Oct 15 01:48:39 what what happened? o_o Oct 15 01:49:21 our local group leader back in July for the freerunner pruchase was on the news for torture Dave Oct 15 01:49:24 :/ Oct 15 01:49:33 i figured him as a weirdo Oct 15 01:52:35 holy shit Oct 15 01:53:01 I think the most offensive part is if charged it mentions they could spend up to 48 months in prison? Oct 15 01:53:04 That's it? Oct 15 01:53:20 Furthermore, I hope he wasn't using the freerunner to further his diabolical practices :| Oct 15 02:30:47 openmoko: 03tick * r8fc50673571e 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [call echo] enable the echo cancle mode whenever a call starts. Oct 15 02:46:27 move over qt Oct 15 02:49:09 here come... my pants! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 15 02:59:57 2008