**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 15 02:59:57 2008 Oct 15 03:14:43 Furthermore, I hope he wasn't using the freerunner to further his diabolical practices :| ...no doubt Oct 15 03:17:53 while i try to install the libpurple-plugin-ssl (for the msn for pidgin for msn protocols), i get dependency error for libglib-2.0.0 (>= 2.16.4) even when i do --force-depends Oct 15 03:18:27 BTW i am using the FDOM Oct 15 03:27:33 i guess u need libglib-2.0.0 (>= 2.16.4) Oct 15 03:28:28 slaxxin: how do i install that? Oct 15 03:29:02 slaxxin: does that mean i have to install libglib-2.16.4 or greater? Oct 15 03:29:26 yup Oct 15 03:31:17 what are u installing? Oct 15 03:31:45 slaxxin: libpurple-plugin-ssl for msn (for pidgin) Oct 15 03:32:40 are u useing 09132008 or something? Oct 15 03:33:36 qt extended had a pretty blue light Oct 15 03:33:42 i just flashed with FDOM 20080927 Oct 15 03:33:49 mee too Oct 15 03:34:00 just now Oct 15 03:34:09 slaxxin: i tried qt extended but could not get some of the things working Oct 15 03:34:20 what gps Oct 15 03:34:28 wifi Oct 15 03:34:35 yea Oct 15 03:34:45 i am connected now Oct 15 03:34:58 the next om will be better Oct 15 03:34:58 gps is working for tango gps Oct 15 03:35:05 ya i hope so Oct 15 03:35:12 on qtext? Oct 15 03:35:15 do you use pidgim? Oct 15 03:35:33 for yahoo and msn messenger? Oct 15 03:35:34 well i cant enter the save button Oct 15 03:36:05 ya i could enter the save button. i am connected in yahoo but not msn. also i could not scroll down the preferences window Oct 15 03:36:10 maybe if i change the keyboard Oct 15 03:42:59 any one knows how i scroll the preferences window (of pidgin) to enter the name of browser? Oct 15 03:45:10 does the debian port come with gsmd? Oct 15 03:48:29 apt-get will get it Oct 15 03:48:53 and it works? cool! Oct 15 03:48:55 thanks Oct 15 03:49:02 yes it does Oct 15 03:49:45 im installing debian right now Oct 15 03:50:02 because i couldnt fix it Oct 15 03:50:34 can anyone watch youtube on openmoko? how? Oct 15 03:53:24 as far as i heard - no flash Oct 15 03:57:17 hmm Oct 15 04:00:53 if i partition my sdcard with 3 partitions will debian installer erase my 3rd partition? Oct 15 04:02:53 wildnux: dunno about scrolling, but maybe for time being you can edit pidgin's conf file (not a solution for end users, i know) Oct 15 04:07:01 apps whose windows dont fit on the screen are a major problem Oct 15 04:07:17 at least for the forseeable future apps need to just have their windows fit Oct 15 04:08:19 yeah, even on a desktop environment one can at least alt+drag in most window managers to move windows around even if title bars are off screen Oct 15 04:08:43 u have much mroe limited input abilites Oct 15 04:08:48 so u're in trouble Oct 15 04:08:52 yup Oct 15 04:09:13 in general tho it'd just be a bad port Oct 15 04:09:23 as chances are then the app also relies on right-mpuse click Oct 15 04:09:27 and maybe mouseovers Oct 15 04:09:32 and all sorts of stuff that doesnt exist Oct 15 04:09:37 cjb_ie: i will try to edit the conf file , lets see.... Oct 15 04:09:42 og ocurse u can worka round and hack things Oct 15 04:09:45 like right mouse emulation Oct 15 04:10:21 (which is problematic as now u have to overload a single input and when u overload changes of gettign it wrong on a guess go up) Oct 15 04:10:32 and with scorlling - the wm could do the scrolling for the app Oct 15 04:10:39 if window > available screen space Oct 15 04:10:43 wm scrolls the app window Oct 15 04:10:50 but u end up with relatively ugly hacks Oct 15 04:11:06 to accomodate aps that think they are on a desktop Oct 15 04:11:07 :) Oct 15 04:11:42 where would pidgins conf file be? Oct 15 04:11:47 cjb_ie: where is the conf file for pidgin? i can't see it in home>root>Applications> Oct 15 04:11:58 there is no folder for pidgin Oct 15 04:12:32 /etc? Oct 15 04:12:53 wildnux: might be called .gaim2 Oct 15 04:12:54 raster: in Illume, keybindings would be done via the theme file right? so if I wanted to say make it so you can select stuff in the launcher with the arrow keys on treo, that's where I'd start? Oct 15 04:14:08 BobOfDoom: ooh no Oct 15 04:14:18 the vkbd has no concept of a real kbd as input Oct 15 04:14:20 wildnux: certainly on my ubuntu laptop, it seems to be in ~/.gaim2/prefs.xml Oct 15 04:14:26 i'd need to add code for that Oct 15 04:14:45 i really build the vkbd for a pure touchscreen system Oct 15 04:14:58 what u want is a reduced kbd layout Oct 15 04:15:02 with just the "missing" keys Oct 15 04:15:08 that the treo kbd doesnt have Oct 15 04:15:13 or maybe are hard to activate Oct 15 04:15:28 (and missing i mean ones missing from palm's design as painted on the kbd) Oct 15 04:15:32 raster: I'm not talking about the vkbd, I mean in the launcher, navigating with the "real" keys Oct 15 04:15:35 cjb_ie: :( there is no such folders Oct 15 04:15:43 THEN u definitely want a "magic" key on the kbd (like alt) that brings up the vklbd Oct 15 04:15:44 raster: or is the vkbd linked to that somehow? Oct 15 04:15:48 wildnux: it'll be there somewhere :-) Oct 15 04:15:51 and lets u use arrow keys to select the missing key Oct 15 04:15:59 ooh laucnher Oct 15 04:16:00 that too Oct 15 04:16:05 has no concept of kbd input Oct 15 04:16:21 cjb_ie: i got it its in .purple folder Oct 15 04:16:37 i'd need to add code Oct 15 04:16:44 raster: right.. so it's not just a matter of adding some stuff to the theme like on key enter, emit "select item" or whatever Oct 15 04:16:51 yup Oct 15 04:16:55 more than that Oct 15 04:17:11 for the moment i havent really looke dat addressing illume with thnigs with a keypad Oct 15 04:17:13 as freerunner had none Oct 15 04:17:20 thats a big reason i wanted the treo Oct 15 04:17:28 its like the "ultimate keypad" platform to test on Oct 15 04:17:30 (so to speak) Oct 15 04:17:32 :D Oct 15 04:17:33 ie not just numberpad Oct 15 04:17:36 but also querty Oct 15 04:17:45 for now i'm just taking notes Oct 15 04:17:52 i know what needs doing Oct 15 04:17:59 and have a good idea of what to do and how... just need to do Oct 15 04:18:46 ok Oct 15 04:18:58 * BobOfDoom gonna have to get a better grip on EFL coding :) Oct 15 04:19:27 i need to do a lot of surgery to illume Oct 15 04:19:46 it got beaten about a lot by various forces Oct 15 04:20:17 raster++ # illume keyboard Oct 15 04:21:06 :) Oct 15 04:21:19 i'm going to fix them bit by bit Oct 15 04:21:21 but right now... Oct 15 04:21:33 multi-line entry stuff for edje needs fixin Oct 15 04:22:03 so does debian use libgsmd for phone operations or qtopia stack? Oct 15 04:22:07 text entry? Oct 15 04:22:15 nemik: neither, it uses FSO Oct 15 04:22:31 BobOfDoom: edje has no entry stuff Oct 15 04:22:34 only display of text Oct 15 04:22:46 i'm making textblock (blobs of formatted text) editable Oct 15 04:22:51 ie just type like any text entry widget Oct 15 04:22:56 yeah, I was trying to make a simple email app with straight edje and ran into that problem Oct 15 04:23:00 theme turns on "entry_mode" Oct 15 04:23:09 edje handles the rest Oct 15 04:23:22 just getting the raw input working now Oct 15 04:23:24 mostly done Oct 15 04:23:26 BobOfDoom: thank you Oct 15 04:23:26 the other thing was I couldn't find a decent way to convert mouse location into position in the text Oct 15 04:23:27 just a small bug Oct 15 04:23:37 aaah no need Oct 15 04:23:40 all done for u Oct 15 04:23:42 cursor Oct 15 04:23:44 selections Oct 15 04:23:46 etc. etc. etc. Oct 15 04:24:00 so... Oct 15 04:24:01 excellent Oct 15 04:24:16 YOu will still ned to hook in x selections and stuff Oct 15 04:24:23 it knows nothing of x Oct 15 04:24:28 or copy and paste betwene apps Oct 15 04:24:38 but i'll emit signals sayijng "someone started a selection" Oct 15 04:24:41 "selection changed" Oct 15 04:24:48 cool Oct 15 04:24:52 selection cleared Oct 15 04:24:55 cursor changed Oct 15 04:24:58 text content changed Oct 15 04:25:05 the main thing I was looking for was being able to do hyperlink-type things Oct 15 04:25:08 and u can of course fetch/set the text Oct 15 04:25:14 includijng markup for formatting Oct 15 04:25:20 does the FR have a known problem with the SIM card getting loose? Oct 15 04:25:26 AND i'll add in anchors Oct 15 04:25:27 yeah I liked the formatting method Oct 15 04:25:30 (links) Oct 15 04:25:32 defining markup in the theme Oct 15 04:25:56 so basicallty any sectiosn of text that have anchors around them will also emit signals when u mouse over/click etc. etc. Oct 15 04:26:25 if u want annhros to look different - just make the markup in the theme define their look Oct 15 04:26:38 awesome :) Oct 15 04:26:41 anyway Oct 15 04:26:49 goal is to make it usable for display/edit og emails and sms Oct 15 04:26:57 not for full word document or html stuff Oct 15 04:27:06 b ut for "rtf" style stuff Oct 15 04:27:17 should be good enough for most things Oct 15 04:46:55 so... Oct 15 04:47:18 like i asked before... Oct 15 04:47:52 does the FR have a known issue with the SIM? Oct 15 04:49:06 i know if u use a 71234 G with at&t it will not work all the time Oct 15 04:49:14 rooly|away: you might find more people are awake in a few hours' time... Oct 15 04:49:24 lol Oct 15 04:49:55 i don't know anyone who sleeptalks on irc :-0 Oct 15 04:50:06 raster does Oct 15 04:50:19 ah, that explains a lot ;) Oct 15 04:50:26 he even sleepcodes Oct 15 04:50:28 :-P Oct 15 06:04:52 houston, i have a problem! :) Until 5 minutes ago i used neo1937 but unexpected neo is gone to a power off. Now i can't power on. Is dead??? could be a problem with battery? Oct 15 06:05:12 i updated firmware to 2007.11 yesterday. Oct 15 06:06:58 i'm sorry now after 10minutes is started... i think that my battery is not perfect... on openmoko display battery level was at half but i think that that value war incorrect Oct 15 06:07:35 s/war/was Oct 15 06:08:27 however, i see still another problem when gsm lost signal that i need restart openmoko to return on stable condition, is a known problem resolved with firmware 2008.9? Oct 15 06:08:37 thanks in advance for reply Oct 15 06:12:30 geaaru, unstable gsm is known - I don't known if there's a fix in the latest ditro yet, but FSO includes it Oct 15 06:16:08 k thanks Oct 15 06:16:54 morning Oct 15 06:17:13 had anybody successfully mounted a jffs2 image file on a debian box? Oct 15 06:43:30 good morning Oct 15 06:47:26 beni_: Just tested mount_jffs2.sh from http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ works for me.. Oct 15 06:50:17 i tried that one from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Oct 15 06:50:23 it mounts but the mount dir is empty Oct 15 06:53:32 same again Oct 15 06:53:34 emtpty Oct 15 06:55:25 oh memory mount works Oct 15 06:55:27 cool Oct 15 06:55:48 beni_: That one seems to work for me also.. :) Oct 15 06:56:32 anyone know offhand Oct 15 06:56:42 which distro is in downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ Oct 15 06:59:49 is it not 2008.9? Oct 15 07:24:55 TeLLuS: you also get "dd: writing to `/tmp/mtdblock0': No space left on device"? Oct 15 07:25:00 the device is only 4MB big Oct 15 07:25:12 but i think this is far to less for the rootfs? Oct 15 07:26:18 beni_: i think it's the kernel partition Oct 15 07:26:45 rootfs one is mtdblock6 Oct 15 07:41:07 how can i mount /dev/mtdblock1 (boot_env)? i need mount /dev/mtdblock to see/change bootload configuration? Oct 15 07:41:38 geaaru: no you don't need to mount it Oct 15 07:42:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Accessing_the_bootloader_prompt Oct 15 07:45:12 yes i see, but is it possible when openmoko is already started directly from openmoko shell and not only from bootloader shell? Oct 15 07:48:59 i have no idea Oct 15 07:49:31 gromez: its on my desktop machine Oct 15 07:49:39 i try to mount the jffs image here Oct 15 07:49:43 rootfs image Oct 15 07:49:51 I don't think it was intended to be edited that way, but I'm sure it's possible Oct 15 07:52:05 G'Morning Oct 15 07:52:40 but boot_env (mtd2) is on jffs2 filesystem? Oct 15 07:52:59 s/on/a Oct 15 07:56:54 is there a problem on the FSO buildhost, there are no more updates for few days Oct 15 07:59:59 has anyone built 2.6.27 from git.openmoko.org (andy-tracking)? Oct 15 08:00:35 Doesn't work apparently re: lists Oct 15 08:00:46 hmm Oct 15 08:01:02 that would explain it then Oct 15 08:01:19 although i missed that in the lists somehow :/ Oct 15 08:38:17 hello guys Oct 15 08:38:33 i've just received my freerunner. what distro would you recommand to start? Oct 15 08:38:44 (and, if possible, why :) ) Oct 15 08:39:13 It's depend on what you wan't from your phone Oct 15 08:39:14 Qtopia 4.3 if you want a real phone Oct 15 08:39:33 4.4 has too many bugs. Oct 15 08:39:39 thanks. i'll have a look at qtopia first, iwas already downloading it Oct 15 08:39:49 i'd like to see how it behaves as a real phone first Oct 15 08:39:50 Om2008.9, if you want to follow the openmoko thought Oct 15 08:40:06 ok thanks. i'll install 2008.9 on my sd card Oct 15 08:40:18 expect more questions soon :) Oct 15 09:21:21 raster: ping Oct 15 09:21:24 yeah, flashing my first altered rootfs Oct 15 09:21:34 poong Oct 15 09:22:07 raster: were you able to create some dot dependency graphs for illume-image? Oct 15 09:22:34 raster: I was able to get the dot-file but somehow converting or opening it does not work. Oct 15 09:22:48 Kensan: put it online Oct 15 09:23:03 Kensan: yeah - but didnt help Oct 15 09:23:13 and yes Oct 15 09:23:18 conversion to something usable was useless Oct 15 09:23:21 i fixed it anyway Oct 15 09:23:23 found it eventually Oct 15 09:23:25 raster: put what online? Oct 15 09:23:50 is it possible see file on mmc memory from bootloader shell? i tried ext2ls /dev/mmcblk0p1 / but i have this message Oct 15 09:23:54 raster: I want so see how some package gets sucked in so having a dot graph would be nice... Oct 15 09:23:54 ** Block device /dev/mmcblk0p1 0 not supported Oct 15 09:24:07 lindi-: put what online? Oct 15 09:24:15 sorry, that was lindi- hehe Oct 15 09:24:33 Kensan: the dot file Oct 15 09:26:04 lindi-: for what purpose? Do you want it? Oct 15 09:26:12 Kensan: i tought i could help :) Oct 15 09:26:24 lindi-: oh ok. Oct 15 09:26:38 Kensan: i know it'd be nice Oct 15 09:26:50 but i found my solution and moved onto doing my work again :) Oct 15 09:27:17 raster: hehe very wise of you. Leave the crappy work to those who are into fixing crappy stuff ;) Oct 15 09:27:45 lindi-: I can mail it to you. I currently have nowhere to put it. Oct 15 09:28:21 hehehe Oct 15 09:28:22 indeed Oct 15 09:28:24 very wise Oct 15 09:28:25 :) Oct 15 09:30:22 is it the right place to post some questions about qtopia? Oct 15 09:30:54 WERD! Oct 15 09:31:05 re-marker works Oct 15 09:31:08 as... expected Oct 15 09:31:55 raster: re-marker? Oct 15 09:32:08 working on my edje editable thing Oct 15 09:32:15 text goes in ans markup Oct 15 09:32:22 but is converted to text and format nodes Oct 15 09:32:36 now i just have a revrser Oct 15 09:32:42 that can take format nodes and generate markup Oct 15 09:32:46 raster: nice! Oct 15 09:33:35 i just needed the reverse Oct 15 09:33:43 but i can edit text in an edje textblock Oct 15 09:33:48 just tyoe and whatever awya Oct 15 09:33:51 and it "works" Oct 15 09:33:54 i can get text back Oct 15 09:33:58 with markup in-place Oct 15 09:35:35 raster: what would be the "easiest" way to write a small elementary app? Read the e related docs on enlightenment.org? Oct 15 09:36:50 read the source Oct 15 09:36:52 read alarm Oct 15 09:36:59 and elementary_test Oct 15 09:37:01 (test.c) Oct 15 09:37:03 its dead simple Oct 15 09:37:18 raster: heh might give it a show Oct 15 09:37:20 shot Oct 15 09:37:33 hm is today going to be another typo day?.... Oct 15 09:38:26 every day is a typo day. Oct 15 09:38:43 Kensan: just keep Elementary.h handy for reference for all api calls Oct 15 09:38:49 other than that... Oct 15 09:38:53 it shoudl be dead simple Oct 15 09:39:01 cjb_ie: I am talking about typos that make it on rasters top 10 list... Oct 15 09:40:49 hm the dot conversion is still using 100% of cpu and getting nowhere... Oct 15 09:40:52 strange Oct 15 09:41:47 i wonder why in the rootfs there is some /boot/uImage. i thought that the kernel resides in its own partition? Oct 15 09:42:56 Kensan: did that to me - for ages Oct 15 09:42:59 i let it go for about 30 mins Oct 15 09:43:02 gave up Oct 15 09:43:13 raster: I will let it run for some time then. Oct 15 09:43:24 raster: it's only hogging one of my cores ;) Oct 15 09:47:54 raster: just swept through alarm: that's some nice to read c code mate! Oct 15 09:48:10 * Shleeee hopes they finish the base kernel/module release soon.. having 37+ different gits is silly Oct 15 09:48:12 :) Oct 15 09:48:18 raster: hats off to you. Elementary looks really easy to use. Oct 15 09:48:22 i keep wondering what the fuss is about python Oct 15 09:48:30 c can and is just as easy Oct 15 09:48:39 *IF* u have the right libraries in place with the right api's Oct 15 09:48:48 and all u need is someone to set that up for you Oct 15 09:48:51 and presto Oct 15 09:49:04 the intent fo elementary is to dumb down sdome stuff Oct 15 09:49:14 and make it brain-dead easy to slap widgets together Oct 15 09:49:16 in code Oct 15 09:51:57 raster: I should have looked at the code first... Oct 15 09:52:41 Kensan: thing to rememebr for me Oct 15 09:52:52 ALWAYS look at my .h files Oct 15 09:53:07 raster: well it's what I usually do but I am not back to 100% yet... ;) Oct 15 09:53:08 (once with capital letters at the start as they are api files - like Elementary.h) Oct 15 09:53:14 and then sample demo/test apps Oct 15 09:53:31 they tend to be quick and easy to grasp and get u started with simple copy & paste Oct 15 09:53:37 i prefer BOT to have docs Oct 15 09:53:40 err NOT Oct 15 09:53:49 imoh an api should be almsot self-explanatory Oct 15 09:54:00 for the common basic stuff u want to do Oct 15 09:54:04 until u are an avdanced user Oct 15 09:54:12 if u need docs to use it Oct 15 09:54:15 the api is crap Oct 15 09:54:24 a quick example Oct 15 09:54:31 and .h file shoudl be all u need for a while Oct 15 09:54:36 and once u are that far Oct 15 09:54:44 u can read the source to figure out the rest as u are now "advanced" Oct 15 09:54:45 :) Oct 15 09:55:20 haha Oct 15 09:55:53 * Kensan wonders if its really that easy to get to level 2 with raster's stuff Oct 15 09:56:10 hehehe Oct 15 09:56:26 if there';s one thing.. i've bene doing library api's in c... for a decade Oct 15 09:56:33 i sucked at the start Oct 15 09:56:37 but i've learnt a lot Oct 15 09:56:41 gtk inspired me a lot Oct 15 09:56:55 but i love making api's that are "brain dead to use" Oct 15 09:57:00 as frankly - i make them for myself Oct 15 09:57:07 whne i am writing coee i want to forget about the details Oct 15 09:57:28 i want to knwo the details have been "handled for me in jyst the right way to be efficient and pick up the messy pieces i leave behind when being lazy" Oct 15 09:59:17 hm... dot is still going at it. Oct 15 10:00:15 it will be for ages Oct 15 10:03:33 hm, if i boot my rootfs, shortly after the kernel took over control, i get alo of "Empty flash at 0xblah ends at 0xblahfoo" errors Oct 15 10:03:38 what des cause that? Oct 15 10:04:12 Check the MD5 CRC on the rootfs Oct 15 10:04:20 i took the OM2008.9-update rootfs tar.gz, modified some files, extracted kernel modules of a newer kernel and build it up to an jffs2 Oct 15 10:04:38 the modules do match the kernel in altsetting "kernel" Oct 15 10:04:57 Shleeee: how? Oct 15 10:05:09 meaning: what to check exactly? Oct 15 10:05:50 it looks to me like some problems with the kernel but i only can guess :/ Oct 15 10:07:25 the phone continues to boot up, but no networking etc is working Oct 15 10:07:51 for what reason is the /boot/uImage ? if the kernel is on its own partition? Oct 15 10:08:58 Is it a normal file? Oct 15 10:09:09 I mean - it's not a link or something? Oct 15 10:10:31 its a symlink to a uimage Oct 15 10:10:39 in same directory Oct 15 10:10:50 i googled a bit and it looks like these are jffs2 errors Oct 15 10:10:52 http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html Oct 15 10:11:09 so i think i did something wrong at constructing the jffs2 image Oct 15 10:11:20 but unfortunately i dont know how to fix this. Oct 15 10:11:41 i build with the following line: Oct 15 10:12:08 (debian testing) mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o $1 -e 0x4000 -n -d "myrootfs/" Oct 15 10:12:33 mkfs.jffs2 -V Oct 15 10:12:34 mkfs.jffs2: revision 1.60 Oct 15 10:12:38 is that too old? Oct 15 10:15:03 well, but something on the kernel isnt correct too. i did not get any devices (sound, net etc) Oct 15 10:23:20 this is the third freerunner shipped to me with a fscked NAND :s Oct 15 10:25:23 openmoko: 03mail * reea26c74b180 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [call echo] adding Ficgta01ModemHiddenFeatures, allows to send the known hidden at commands easily Oct 15 10:31:10 raster: something is different in the current illume images... booting takes a lot longer than the first couple images I tested. Oct 15 10:31:32 raster: exquisite somehow seems to stall Oct 15 10:32:30 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rd8068e77c75f 10/tests/ (README opreferencesd.py sim.py test.py tests.conf): Oct 15 10:32:30 freesmartphone.org: tests: Added 'request' decorator to the tests Oct 15 10:32:30 freesmartphone.org: This can be used to specify that a test can only be run under specific conditions (like if the sim card is present.) Oct 15 10:32:30 freesmartphone.org: The current test condition can be specify in the file 'tests.conf' Oct 15 10:32:33 freesmartphone.org: I also created a README file for the tests and started a sim test suite. Oct 15 10:32:45 md5sum Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 tmp.jffs2 Oct 15 10:32:45 8d5791cfd594e3e5247ac38f095958cc Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 Oct 15 10:32:46 259d21f5ecd495d13b8e90ede5046387 tmp.jffs2 Oct 15 10:32:59 and that just by untarring and rebuilding Oct 15 10:37:38 cant explain that to me. Oct 15 10:40:33 beni_: to generate the same hash-value it would need to be identical which it obviously isn't. Oct 15 10:42:43 Kensan: yes, something is different in my building Oct 15 10:42:47 but i dont know what Oct 15 10:43:07 the rootfs.tar.gz md5sum is the same as on downloads.openmoko.org Oct 15 10:43:20 so something here at my box must be different causing problems. Oct 15 10:45:28 beni_: well you cannot assume that simply issuing the same command will generate a "bit-identical" gz. Oct 15 10:46:28 well, i just build some jffs2 image. that results in errors i cant solve :( Oct 15 10:46:58 i dont know if the image file must be identical Oct 15 10:47:20 beni_: is there no info in the wiki? I have never packed a jffs2 image by hand... Oct 15 10:48:03 didnt find anything but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Oct 15 11:05:15 mmm. Oct 15 11:05:26 can anyone explain what i have to do with the alsa spec files? Oct 15 11:05:41 dialed friend has echo, and almost doesn't hear me Oct 15 11:05:58 also, i hear the conversation as if i was using the speaker mode instead of the normal mode Oct 15 11:07:02 as in, it's very loud, or the volume varies according to whether you're talking? Oct 15 11:07:51 very loud Oct 15 11:08:13 i thought it could be what caused the echo Oct 15 11:08:21 i'm using qtopia 4.3 right now Oct 15 11:10:05 mmm. looks like i need to copy the file to asound.state Oct 15 11:27:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0be912f962a4 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: readd parameter checking which seems to got lost on the way (tsss...) Oct 15 11:42:17 mwester_: did you read the latest Weekly Engineering News? Oct 15 11:45:43 i hope you all love the engineering news Oct 15 11:45:43 (or rather... most of you...) Oct 15 11:46:38 Of course we do! :) Oct 15 11:46:45 mickeyl: I was hoping that the focus would shift towards stabilization especially for the infrastrcture stuff (kernel etc) :) Oct 15 11:47:03 mickeyl: but quite frankly I did not expect that :) Oct 15 11:47:09 mickeyl: so it's a nice surprise. Oct 15 11:48:35 :) Oct 15 11:48:51 we had tons of discussions last month Oct 15 11:48:56 mickeyl: did the presence of the FSO-team have anything to do with that? ;) Oct 15 11:49:02 a small bit Oct 15 11:49:16 * CM_work hopes for some update on the GTA03 hw designs next week Oct 15 11:49:22 actually Sean and the guys realized that the software plan was too broad Oct 15 11:49:31 going back to the basics was the natural step Oct 15 11:49:35 mickeyl: awesome to hear! Oct 15 11:49:36 but it took learning it the hard way Oct 15 11:49:38 :) Oct 15 11:49:55 Better late than never.. ;) Oct 15 11:49:58 right Oct 15 11:50:03 mickeyl: yeah... I had lost a bit of hope actually that OM would turn around... Oct 15 11:50:17 mickeyl: so this is great news more than ever ;) Oct 15 11:50:25 yap, it is Oct 15 11:50:32 we did a whole lot of chaos Oct 15 11:50:35 but we're improving Oct 15 11:50:36 really Oct 15 11:50:41 Noticed there will be an OpenMoko Codesprint on FSCONS next weekend Oct 15 11:50:43 nice to hear ;) Oct 15 11:50:48 * CM_work will bring a GTA01 Oct 15 11:50:58 (codesprint) cool thing Oct 15 11:51:01 http://fscons.org/openmoko-codesprint/ Oct 15 11:51:14 I'm going to be on SYSTEMS fair in .de Oct 15 11:51:20 hope i can join next time Oct 15 11:51:25 :) Oct 15 11:51:47 mickeyl: yeah, I was never worried about userspace apps etc. especially with raster going at it like mad (elementary etc). But the basic infrastructure stuff: kernel etc was what had me worried a bit... Oct 15 11:52:23 mickeyl: Thanks for hanging in there and never giving up btw. It's an awesome project :) Oct 15 11:52:25 Kensan: right. We have hired a bunch of kernel devs now to improve that Oct 15 11:52:41 CM_work: thanks. I was close to leaving at multiple occasions Oct 15 11:52:46 mickeyl: cool :) Oct 15 11:52:48 Can imagine that Oct 15 11:52:50 Nice, hope to see the changes soon :) Oct 15 11:53:01 in the base image ;) Oct 15 11:53:05 mickeyl: well I've heard Doctor's are tough and stubborn *heh* Oct 15 11:53:14 Kensan: hahah, must be that, ya Oct 15 11:53:23 * mickeyl hates giving up Oct 15 11:53:24 really Oct 15 11:53:39 mickeyl: good for us :) Oct 15 11:53:47 Same here. And usually it's good, but some times very tiring.. Oct 15 11:54:01 * Kensan gives mickeyl a well deserved round of applause Oct 15 11:54:15 * mickeyl bows Oct 15 11:54:16 * Wonka claps hands too Oct 15 11:54:47 me too Oct 15 11:54:52 ~beer mickeyl Oct 15 11:54:53 * apt pours a pint of Piraat for mickeyl Oct 15 11:54:58 hehe Oct 15 11:55:04 Bah, not a Leffe Blonde? ;) Oct 15 11:55:07 mickeyl: seriously, with you off to other things this project would have been in for a rough ride... Oct 15 11:55:13 by the way, will there be support in frameworkd for online AGPS anytime soon? Oct 15 11:55:31 CM_work: looking forward to FOSDEM... Oct 15 11:55:48 Kensan: *nod* i would have felt very bad Oct 15 11:56:08 mickeyl: I guess Thomas will be glad to hear those news too. We were talking exactly about this issue at the moko party in Bern. Oct 15 11:56:14 Wonka: absolutely. once we have networking support in place, we're going to add the high level "locations" service which will do more of that Oct 15 11:56:27 what we did now was just the standalone subsystems Oct 15 11:56:38 the great things are still coming once we connect the information from various subsystems Oct 15 11:56:42 mickeyl: well there's only so much you can do. Obviously it is A LOT but still :) Oct 15 11:56:57 hello Oct 15 11:57:12 Kensan: absolutely true. that's why I'm very glad we have this new modus of operandi wrt. FSO and Openmoko Oct 15 11:57:14 cool :) Oct 15 11:57:40 like, whenever 'locations' will sense networking Oct 15 11:57:49 it will try to connect the agps server Oct 15 11:57:53 trying to grab some ephemeris Oct 15 11:58:00 (if enabled in prefs) Oct 15 11:58:12 same w/ ntpd etc. Oct 15 11:58:22 the fun stuff is really interconnecting the subsystems Oct 15 11:58:24 mickeyl: well with the team growing I hope this takes some weigth off your shoulders. Oct 15 11:58:34 i hope it will do so only if GPS currently has no fix? Oct 15 11:58:59 Wonka: ya, will come up with some heuristics Oct 15 11:59:17 Kensan: *nod* the danger is that i need to do more management as opposed to coding, but i think it's going to be allright Oct 15 11:59:35 but then, it should at least update it's almanach cache regularly, even if there's no active GPS user Oct 15 11:59:53 should be configurable not to do that too Oct 15 12:00:26 mickeyl: oh well, it's never perfect *heh* Oct 15 12:00:30 and i'd like to have much stuff doable via cli, so I can activate/deactivate stuff via cron Oct 15 12:01:41 ? Oct 15 12:02:35 hm what's with all the netsplits? Oct 15 12:03:31 splitnode! don't we love it? Oct 15 12:05:07 Wonka: that's for sure Oct 15 12:05:07 that's why i love to have dbus Oct 15 12:05:07 console-based scripting for free Oct 15 12:06:19 mmm. i've now installed 2008.9. it booted, and now i'm asked for the pincode. Oct 15 12:06:44 excepted that the keyboard has only letters. i don't see how to change it, am i missing something? (i bet i am ) Oct 15 12:07:23 KaZeR: read the topic of the channel please: you must slide your finder up for getting numbers Oct 15 12:07:24 mickeyl: just read the previous weekly engineering: great to hear about fso.org funding etc! Oct 15 12:07:37 uh apologies Oct 15 12:07:39 thanks Oct 15 12:07:54 no prob :) (It's a commonly asked thing) Oct 15 12:08:11 mickeyl: if everytime you go to Taipeh there's such a big push you should go there more often *hehe* Oct 15 12:08:25 dolf1074, yes i guess.. if it made its way to the topic :) Oct 15 12:08:56 Kensan: true, we're trying to bump the frequency a bit. i really hate these 14 hour plane trips though Oct 15 12:09:38 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd5f6a3e5a2ad 10/packages/tasks/task-python-everything.bb: [task-python-everything] Remove python-lightmediascanner Oct 15 12:09:52 mickeyl: yeah but it's gotten a lot better in the past years. I remember 32-hour flights to Japan... Oct 15 12:10:49 mickeyl: but with FDOM and 26 different games, you shouldn't be bored :p Oct 15 12:11:26 hehe Oct 15 12:11:57 hello, Oct 15 12:12:23 mathieu__: hi there Oct 15 12:12:28 I'm here because I want to develop something for the freerunner in a study project Oct 15 12:12:57 that would be a dasher-like "keyboard" for enlightenment Oct 15 12:13:34 but to do this in a schoolar project, I need to be mentor by someone from an society or organisation Oct 15 12:13:50 so, I'm wondering if someone would be intersting to mentor me Oct 15 12:15:05 mathieu__: where are you located? Grenoble? Maybe there's somebody from the openmoko group in france that could help you out. Oct 15 12:18:16 mathieu__: http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/ Oct 15 12:19:05 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f4efdc01a91 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-python-devel.bb: [task-openmoko-python-devel] Remove python-lightmediascanner Oct 15 12:22:48 I'm sorry network is unstable here... did you see what I send? Oct 15 12:22:56 and does anybody answer? Oct 15 12:26:21 mathieu__: where are you located? Grenoble? Maybe there's somebody from the openmoko group in france that could help you out. Oct 15 12:26:25 mathieu__: http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/ Oct 15 12:27:08 did you lookup the ip to find that ?! thx, i'll try that Oct 15 12:27:24 /usr/share/enlightenment ??? Oct 15 12:27:36 enlight_en_ment Oct 15 12:27:50 * beni_ thought that this was named enlightment Oct 15 12:29:30 mathieu__: i hope u've given it good thought. to do a vkbd you will either neet o learn a lot about x or build on/use existign code Oct 15 12:29:55 mathieu__: also be aware that imho dasher is a very slow and cumbersome input Oct 15 12:30:00 it sjuts kinda looks neat Oct 15 12:30:30 mathieu__: "14:21 -!- mathieu__ [n=mathieu@c49-6.vpnext.upmf-grenoble.fr] has joined #openmoko" so it's a fair guess ;) Oct 15 12:31:04 mathieu__: oh and yeah you should mull your ideas over with raster ;) Oct 15 12:31:39 raster, I thought about it a little already, and yes I have a lot to learn Oct 15 12:32:05 but I have 2 months full-time (january and february) to work on it Oct 15 12:32:27 and a few hours per week in novemeber and december Oct 15 12:33:54 and as you already do a keyboar module, I think a lot of work can be reused, isn't it? Oct 15 12:36:05 raster, do you think it's to much work? Oct 15 12:36:52 mathieu__: for me.. not much. the ui and x side anyway Oct 15 12:36:59 i need to invest more in the dictionary lookup Oct 15 12:37:05 tho i already did a chunk of that Oct 15 12:38:09 as I imagine it, ui and x would be the first part, than I could add fonctionnalities Oct 15 12:38:46 eg: dictionaniries, profile per application?, ... Oct 15 12:43:59 how can i install the keyboard in 2008.9? it seems the illume-config-illume package is not there anymore Oct 15 12:47:13 mathieu__: well first.. do you know how dasher works? Oct 15 12:47:34 mathieu__: before you lift a single finger in code - make sure you know your strategy - how exactly does it do its stuff? Oct 15 12:47:35 :) Oct 15 12:49:24 raster, actually I don't know exactly how its done, I just read information on the website and don't have yet look their code Oct 15 12:49:32 aha! Oct 15 12:49:42 as an excerise Oct 15 12:49:45 dont read their code Oct 15 12:49:50 dont read their docs Oct 15 12:49:57 u've seen the videos of how dasher works right? Oct 15 12:50:22 I have a course about tokenisation of natural language, I think that might help also Oct 15 12:50:33 yes, and i tried it on my laptop with the mouse Oct 15 12:51:17 ok Oct 15 12:51:25 then... how do you think it works? Oct 15 12:51:26 :) Oct 15 12:52:06 i think that they only do the prediction with the last letter Oct 15 12:52:12 and not the whole word Oct 15 12:52:42 eg, for each letter, they store the probability of each letter that could follow Oct 15 12:52:51 (sorry for my english) Oct 15 12:53:07 and how would they figure out that probability? Oct 15 12:53:08 :) Oct 15 12:53:23 or how could you make that probabiulity guess/calculation really good? Oct 15 12:53:24 :) Oct 15 12:53:41 the probabilty are same at the begining and learn from what is type Oct 15 12:53:50 sure Oct 15 12:53:53 or can be train with corpus Oct 15 12:54:01 ok Oct 15 12:54:05 corpus containing what exactly? Oct 15 12:54:51 that would depends who will use it, in the user language first Oct 15 12:55:04 well more abstractly Oct 15 12:55:06 that could be books in commons language Oct 15 12:55:19 or mails Oct 15 12:55:26 (note - i'ma sking this because i already know at least a solution... :)) Oct 15 12:55:29 ok Oct 15 12:55:37 so its a dict of words Oct 15 12:55:43 anything else? Oct 15 12:55:44 :) Oct 15 12:56:26 in a dict of words, every word is only once, in real text, often used words are find a lot of time Oct 15 12:57:29 correct Oct 15 12:57:37 so... how woudl you reflect this? Oct 15 12:57:39 would Oct 15 12:58:47 raster: markov? Oct 15 12:58:47 well, I didn't figure that yet Oct 15 12:59:26 :) Oct 15 12:59:29 where iw as getting at is this Oct 15 12:59:39 u likely need exactly the dict data illume uses Oct 15 12:59:45 a dictionay with frequencye data Oct 15 13:00:10 that seems to fit well Oct 15 13:00:13 abolition 14 Oct 15 13:00:18 abominates 1 Oct 15 13:00:27 achievement 48 Oct 15 13:00:47 door 305 Oct 15 13:00:49 etc. Oct 15 13:00:53 ok I understant, from a text in natural language you construct this dictionnary + frequencies Oct 15 13:01:02 actual storage mechanisms etc. u can worry about later Oct 15 13:01:14 but in principle u have data that has words and how often they are used Oct 15 13:01:18 as a person types Oct 15 13:01:20 you are right Oct 15 13:01:25 they start with equal frequency Oct 15 13:01:55 yes, i think so Oct 15 13:02:11 (actually thats wrong. before they start a word certian leters are much mroe likely than others to start words with - u can figure this out by summing the cumulative freq of all a word,s all b, all c, d, e, f rtc. words) Oct 15 13:02:15 when they select a letter Oct 15 13:02:17 eg "d" Oct 15 13:02:25 u know it can only now be all words that start with d Oct 15 13:02:30 so your search space is d* Oct 15 13:02:36 correct Oct 15 13:02:53 now the next letter is the relatvie freq based on a-z within all words that start with d Oct 15 13:03:01 sum the freq of da* Oct 15 13:03:02 of db* Oct 15 13:03:04 dc* Oct 15 13:03:05 dd* Oct 15 13:03:06 etc. Oct 15 13:03:18 and then that gives u relative frequency (likelihood) Oct 15 13:03:19 and so on Oct 15 13:03:21 per letter Oct 15 13:03:23 now.. Oct 15 13:03:33 I'm just a the beginning of the course for natural language, but i lerand that a finite automate can store a lot of word efficiently, Oct 15 13:03:37 u need to figure out a way to do the following whihc i dont rrememebr dasher addressing: Oct 15 13:03:41 1. capitalisation Oct 15 13:03:50 if i want to enter a person's name Oct 15 13:03:52 if we put the frequency on each letter, that could do the job? Oct 15 13:03:56 i want the first letter a capital Oct 15 13:04:08 2. still offer "impossible" letters if tis a proepr name for something not in the dict Oct 15 13:04:16 3. sumbols and numbers Oct 15 13:04:23 5. how to end a word Oct 15 13:04:30 6. up/down/left/rtigh arrow Oct 15 13:04:31 backspace Oct 15 13:04:33 enter Oct 15 13:04:36 etc. etc. etc. Oct 15 13:04:43 and within all thius Oct 15 13:04:45 exact :s Oct 15 13:04:50 you need a way for it to not occuyp the whole screen Oct 15 13:04:58 u ned to see the relative context Oct 15 13:05:02 ie the sentence u were editing Oct 15 13:05:18 so you need to figure out how to arrange it on screen Oct 15 13:05:20 and still be usable Oct 15 13:05:49 well, is there a way to reinstall illume? i get the e desktop now instead of the usual gui Oct 15 13:06:14 illume complained that its config is newer than it should be and "reset it to defaults" Oct 15 13:06:26 raster, that seems an interresting problem ;) Oct 15 13:10:53 raster, I'll have to work in next hour, I'll be back right after Oct 15 13:14:23 mathieu__: its a lot of stuff Oct 15 13:14:28 (to do) Oct 15 13:14:42 but make sure you think the problem through Oct 15 13:14:48 solve several of the subsystems in your head first Oct 15 13:14:57 figure out how you wil addres the ui Oct 15 13:15:03 figure out all the problems tyou will create in doing it Oct 15 13:15:10 think of all the possible use cases and apps out ther Oct 15 13:15:11 users Oct 15 13:15:22 rememebr too that the touchscreen is not very sensitive Oct 15 13:15:24 if you use a finger Oct 15 13:15:35 so "Dragging" means the mus ekeeps lifint off the screen often Oct 15 13:15:41 (even if your finger is touching) Oct 15 13:15:42 err Oct 15 13:15:45 mouse Oct 15 13:15:47 lifting Oct 15 13:16:10 * Kensan hands over the typo-crown to raster Oct 15 13:16:12 beni_: u can rm -rf ~/.e/ Oct 15 13:16:37 raster: btw. the dot conversion is still running *heh* somethings off. Oct 15 13:18:50 the "mus", are you swedish or something? Oct 15 13:19:14 or is that borrowed to/from germany Oct 15 13:20:30 Kensan: it wont do anything. give up :) Oct 15 13:20:38 zash: typo :) Oct 15 13:20:54 mouse Oct 15 13:21:03 :o Oct 15 13:21:24 Hello raster! Oct 15 13:21:53 raster: I totally forgot about it *heh* Well that's just too bad :( Oct 15 13:22:03 Dave: moo Oct 15 13:22:48 MOO Oct 15 13:25:19 set me up teh sources! Oct 15 13:26:38 mickeyl: but with FDOM and 26 different games, you shouldn't be bored :p Oct 15 13:33:41 anyone here know how to overcome this -- -msoft-float and -mhard_float may not be used together ?? Oct 15 13:34:20 swc|666: either stop using soft-float and hard-float together, or use -Wl,--no-warn-mismatch Oct 15 13:34:31 hmm Oct 15 13:34:47 what does one expect to accomplish by using them together? Oct 15 13:34:50 the former is probably the best plan. the latter will get you a binary output, but there is a fairly strong chance it won't run Oct 15 13:35:21 i'm trying to cross compile a driver and get stuck at that Oct 15 13:35:49 is it a driver with binary-only components? Oct 15 13:35:54 you could remove both and let the default be used Oct 15 13:36:13 if you have all the source, and you're building it from source, it probably means that you are accidentally compiling different object files with different CFLAGS or different compilers. Oct 15 13:36:22 for example, accidentally mixing eabi and oabi Oct 15 13:36:23 i have the source Oct 15 13:36:40 is this a kernel driver? Oct 15 13:36:46 yep Oct 15 13:36:56 okay, so it should probably be all-soft-float Oct 15 13:37:10 you need to figure out where the hard-float flag is coming from and stop it. Oct 15 13:37:24 i'm getting close Oct 15 13:37:45 stop dem had floaties Oct 15 13:37:53 hard hard hard floaties Oct 15 13:38:06 lol Oct 15 13:38:28 moo Oct 15 13:55:54 meh... i'm lost -- this driver needs my kernel to have ehci_hcd support -- is this even possible? Oct 15 13:58:55 the neo doesn't have ehci hardware (that's, you know, usb 2 stufF) Oct 15 14:00:40 joerg moo Oct 15 14:01:15 Hi dolf Oct 15 14:06:30 quick question should I be installing ipkgs for glibc or uClib on the FreeRunner [2008.*] Oct 15 14:07:00 raster, which sources should I build off of? Oct 15 14:07:57 Dave: what are you trying to build? Oct 15 14:09:29 Kensan, illume for z72 Oct 15 14:10:41 Dave: illume-image is all the same, you just need to adjuste the local.conf Oct 15 14:10:47 -e Oct 15 14:11:15 Dave: for the whole gang of 12^2? Oct 15 14:11:31 Dave: raster is building all images of his gang with the same scripts/sources etc. Oct 15 14:12:21 right Oct 15 14:12:23 everything else would be boring Oct 15 14:12:27 Joerg :D Oct 15 14:12:44 Kensan, give me the source! Oct 15 14:13:31 Dave: check out from Raster's SVN? Oct 15 14:13:41 Dave: svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe/ Oct 15 14:13:48 aha Oct 15 14:14:00 Dave: or which source are you talking about? Oct 15 14:14:05 yeah, that's it Oct 15 14:14:10 I didn't have the url handy though :p Oct 15 14:14:27 Dave: ah, that's where I come in *heh* Oct 15 14:14:32 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r318063bc158a 10/packages/e17/edje-viewer_svn.bb: [edje-viewer] The source code changed, remove the patch because it Oct 15 14:14:49 Indeed :) Oct 15 14:14:55 How big is it, by the way? Oct 15 14:15:47 w00t.. think i got it pb_ Oct 15 14:15:53 less than a TB Oct 15 14:16:14 ;-) Oct 15 14:16:39 quick question should I be installing ipkgs for glibc or uClib on the FreeRunner [2008.*] Oct 15 14:16:47 anyone know how to add zhone to the image once you build it? Oct 15 14:18:51 gee, great Oct 15 14:20:55 Dave: what do you mean? the illume rootfs? ~36 megs Oct 15 14:22:24 uggh Oct 15 14:22:34 stupid git Oct 15 14:23:31 Dave: computers are stupid but FAAAST Oct 15 14:24:20 great Oct 15 14:24:34 so now I get no information returned in much quicker time Oct 15 14:24:38 wonderful Oct 15 14:24:56 LOL, EXACTLY Oct 15 14:25:00 git is fast now? Oct 15 14:25:13 sorry capslock Oct 15 14:25:26 :P Oct 15 14:27:04 nyu: compared to doing same thing with a typewriter - sure Oct 15 14:27:24 In the meantime, the angstrom build using opie isn't bad Oct 15 14:27:37 wget http://edgyu.excess.org/kernel-walkthrough/2008-08-21/boot1.flv Oct 15 14:27:40 ops Oct 15 14:27:43 wrong window Oct 15 14:28:09 :o Oct 15 14:28:58 We meet again, Mr. Code. Oct 15 14:32:15 Dave-o: Staying out of trouble? Oct 15 14:32:37 Hardly :D Oct 15 14:32:54 Well, same here. Oct 15 14:33:00 heh, as always ;) Oct 15 14:33:03 Trying not to melt in all this rain down here. Oct 15 14:33:07 l Oct 15 14:33:28 But keeping busy. Will be into more fun in about a weeks time. Oct 15 14:33:38 oh noes, the "typing in the wrong terminal window" is spreading! Oct 15 14:34:35 virus? Oct 15 14:35:26 nice Oct 15 14:35:37 zomg Oct 15 14:36:00 * Dave scrutinizes the Doctor Oct 15 14:36:08 mad doctor! Oct 15 14:36:40 * Docscrutinizer2 snickers Oct 15 14:36:57 :D Oct 15 14:37:26 :o) Oct 15 14:38:03 Uggh, why do other ops have to be such dicks sometimes. Oct 15 14:39:03 xChat rather strange... Oct 15 14:39:23 on N810 at least Oct 15 14:39:58 So you have said Oct 15 14:40:04 I hear it's also a pain in the ass to setup :p Oct 15 14:40:49 hi, dave-apt Oct 15 14:42:17 Greetings user Oct 15 14:42:44 Greetings, Programs! Oct 15 14:42:53 all your packages are belong to me Oct 15 14:43:10 lol Oct 15 14:44:39 apt-dave search libmokoui2* Oct 15 14:47:17 So... many... zires... Oct 15 14:47:18 @_@ Oct 15 14:59:16 raster: dot finished! It created a 26 meg ps file :) Oct 15 14:59:23 shit Oct 15 14:59:25 how long? Oct 15 14:59:34 ~3 hours Oct 15 14:59:35 a bit more Oct 15 14:59:37 fuck Oct 15 14:59:45 someone needs to go optimise graphviz Oct 15 14:59:49 raster: let me open it, maybe it's crap Oct 15 15:00:42 raster: nice the default document viewer crashes Oct 15 15:00:52 whats the info Oct 15 15:00:56 "file f.png Oct 15 15:00:57 ? Oct 15 15:00:57 0penm00c0w? Oct 15 15:00:59 (size) Oct 15 15:01:14 raster: it's a 26 meg ps not png Oct 15 15:01:19 oooh Oct 15 15:01:20 ps Oct 15 15:01:45 craps Oct 15 15:02:40 three hours? Oct 15 15:03:05 raster: will try to convert it to png Oct 15 15:03:24 ps2pdf Oct 15 15:03:30 raster: that's probably gonna take another 3 hours *lol* Oct 15 15:03:32 god one way or another Oct 15 15:03:34 its hoorible Oct 15 15:03:35 hahahaha Oct 15 15:03:36 3hrs Oct 15 15:03:56 that's like the time it takes me to boot my freerunner Oct 15 15:04:01 and flash it Oct 15 15:04:21 raster: indeed. well if it used the other 3 cores... *hah* Oct 15 15:04:34 hahaha Oct 15 15:04:52 raster: pdf looks like utter crap, need to do it differently... Oct 15 15:05:09 Kensan, another three hours then? :( Oct 15 15:05:10 raster: ps2ascii maybe Oct 15 15:05:33 Dave: will see. Oct 15 15:06:01 raster: it means illume has too many dependencies ;) Oct 15 15:06:07 rut roh Oct 15 15:06:26 hahahahah Oct 15 15:07:07 raster: well I'll report back when I have something usable... opening the ps file fails... Oct 15 15:10:13 ahoi Oct 15 15:11:11 ahoi ahoi Oct 15 15:11:16 ahoy mateys Oct 15 15:11:54 Dave: intl pirate day was last month Oct 15 15:12:03 ;-) Oct 15 15:13:03 fuck that bullshit Oct 15 15:13:36 When's international nazi day? Oct 15 15:13:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day Oct 15 15:13:43 I'm sure that'll be big aroud this channel. Oct 15 15:13:44 dunno Oct 15 15:13:55 Heil ze moko reich! Oct 15 15:14:08 since like 50% of the developers are germans Oct 15 15:14:20 damn, i hate agile development.. Oct 15 15:14:21 Germans, not Nazis. Oct 15 15:17:25 Wonka, yeah yeah Oct 15 15:17:34 Wonka, honestly, the way some of the development is going... Oct 15 15:17:52 actually I Wish we had an evil overlord, dictating the way things would go... according to their "master plan" Oct 15 15:17:59 I nominate raster Oct 15 15:18:07 and his "raster plan" :p Oct 15 15:21:02 Hey Isajha Oct 15 15:21:34 hi Oct 15 15:26:50 openmoko: 03werner * r4713 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (4 files): Rebasing the WLAN patches and cleaning out old crud ... Oct 15 15:26:57 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e3de84fc4aa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Qtopia] Bump up Qtopia to eea26c74b18007142d7f02cb5633dffbfb63bd7a Oct 15 15:29:45 Dave: please drop that nazi thing before it gets ugly Oct 15 15:31:10 mwester_: did you notice the weekly engineering news? Didn't we talk about that yesterday? ;) Oct 15 15:33:47 should i be able to flash when i am in the nand menu? Oct 15 15:34:19 according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner flashing is done in the NOR boot Oct 15 15:34:32 but my boot menu says NAND Oct 15 15:34:39 Yes you can flash from NAND, the wiki is wrong Oct 15 15:34:57 tmt :( Oct 15 15:35:10 In fact, you should never need to use NOR flash ever, unless you have screwed up your NAND uboot. Oct 15 15:35:16 ok, so i only need NOR when things are real bad? Oct 15 15:35:35 because i read maybe this way the battery can be charged from zero Oct 15 15:36:08 NAND/NOR have no difference with battery charging. Oct 15 15:36:15 i dont have an external/standalone charger Oct 15 15:36:16 In fact, NOR will be worse, as it is older. Oct 15 15:36:51 mwester: can the NOR u-boot be flashed with the debug board? Oct 15 15:36:52 henkie_: that's true if NAND uboot is one of the broken versions Oct 15 15:37:16 yup Oct 15 15:37:25 mwester: ok stupid question. got the answer right away. Oct 15 15:37:26 Kensan: Yes, the ONLY way to flash NOR u-boot is with a GTA02 version of the debug board (not even the Neo version of the debug board can do it) Oct 15 15:38:01 neo version? Oct 15 15:38:10 DocScrutinizer, ah i see. so completly emptying the battery shouldnt be a real problem? Oct 15 15:38:14 :) I don't know the rev number. Oct 15 15:39:00 henkie_: Completely empyting the battery is a problem, regardless of what uboot you have. It might be slightly easier/faster to recover if you use a much newer NAND u-boot, though. Oct 15 15:39:20 henkie_: it's a problem when you got too small a capacitor on Vsys Oct 15 15:39:57 * mwester has detected a theme on the GTA02 -- it involves insufficient capacitance in general ;) Oct 15 15:40:17 Audio, SD card, Vsys.... Oct 15 15:40:42 ah ok Oct 15 15:40:53 i'll wait with flashing my u-boot for another time :) Oct 15 15:41:21 henkie_: also some newer NAND uboot versions seem to be buggy wrt boot on low bat Oct 15 15:43:14 henkie_: try boot-up without batterie, so you'll know Oct 15 15:47:42 Docscrutinizer2, good idea :) Oct 15 15:48:16 nice to read the focus is now on using it as a phone Oct 15 15:49:11 henkie_: that's the way I discovered the NAND bug Oct 15 15:56:45 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/gitweb?p=qtopia.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fc50673571e3c2b93c8fde928876d98280a22c8 <<-- this is for the OM 200x.x-distributions, right ? Oct 15 16:22:21 Joerg - the nand bug? :o Oct 15 16:23:31 not booting without bat, on a device that could on Factory NOR Oct 15 16:24:15 uboot that is Oct 15 16:24:27 :X Oct 15 16:26:38 Virus Oct 15 16:43:46 has anyone got smooth response with remoko as touchpad? Oct 15 17:20:59 * SpeedEvil ponders use-case for GPS + flash-camera. Oct 15 17:21:22 Stadium + enough users = flash up text. Oct 15 17:22:15 boooo ey - cool :) Oct 15 17:23:11 need adhoc wifi to sync Oct 15 17:23:27 you've got GPS for sync. Oct 15 17:23:29 or BT Oct 15 17:23:57 need some database for text Oct 15 17:24:10 yeah Oct 15 17:24:18 But GPRS even'd be fine for that. Oct 15 17:24:24 mustn't be hardcoded to image Oct 15 17:24:40 yup Oct 15 17:25:03 kove the idea Oct 15 17:26:06 blinkenlights automagically Oct 15 17:26:48 What about the GPS's inaccuracy? Oct 15 17:27:25 What inaccuracy? Oct 15 17:27:35 viq: let's get the us military version p Oct 15 17:27:37 :D Oct 15 17:27:37 :p Oct 15 17:27:47 bumbl: I'm all for it ;) Oct 15 17:27:48 Speedevil, evil scheming I see Oct 15 17:27:51 that's a clear DGPS scenario Oct 15 17:27:55 You get - for recievers close to each other about a meter and a half error. Oct 15 17:27:57 Designate one to be the reference point, then using wifi or bluetooth, use differential GPS to determine exact location relative to reference. Oct 15 17:27:58 Maybe 2. Oct 15 17:28:16 DGPS? Oct 15 17:28:27 google differential gps Oct 15 17:28:37 DGPS requires hardware Oct 15 17:28:46 nope Oct 15 17:28:48 oh, yeah Oct 15 17:28:53 fuckers Oct 15 17:28:57 not really Oct 15 17:29:16 :| Oct 15 17:29:16 DGPS can be done over the internet, even. Oct 15 17:29:21 hot Oct 15 17:29:31 well for max accuracy yes Oct 15 17:29:36 DGPS requires hardware of certain sorts. Oct 15 17:29:46 And for certain outputs to be available from the GPS. Oct 15 17:30:15 well for max accuracy yes Oct 15 17:30:57 as you need to sync raw RF-data Oct 15 17:31:19 Not quite - RF data will get you millimeters. Oct 15 17:31:30 You can get well sub-metre with other ways. Oct 15 17:31:54 true DGPS can Oct 15 17:33:08 with "poor man's DGPS" you shoul get around 1..2m Oct 15 17:35:02 :P Oct 15 17:35:06 hehe not bad Oct 15 17:35:11 coat hanger antenna? :P Oct 15 17:35:24 hi, anybody ever tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus ? Oct 15 17:35:37 running FSO milestone 3 ? Oct 15 17:36:21 the part section called 'python' is utterly out of date Oct 15 17:36:28 better use docs.freesmartphone.org for that Oct 15 17:36:29 i always get: failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. Oct 15 17:37:17 i don't get far: # ./hello.py Oct 15 17:37:17 Traceback (most recent call last): Oct 15 17:37:17 File "./hello.py", line 3, in Oct 15 17:37:17 bus = dbus.SessionBus() Oct 15 17:37:17 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py", line 219, in __new__ Oct 15 17:37:18 mainloop=mainloop) Oct 15 17:37:20 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/_dbus.py", line 108, in __new__ Oct 15 17:37:22 bus = BusConnection.__new__(subclass, bus_type, mainloop=mainloop) Oct 15 17:37:24 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 125, in __new__ Oct 15 17:37:26 bus = cls._new_for_bus(address_or_type, mainloop=mainloop) Oct 15 17:37:28 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. Oct 15 17:39:42 well Oct 15 17:39:53 it won't work w/ that sample since that sample is outdated Oct 15 17:39:56 but for reference Oct 15 17:40:07 if you need a session bus, call it like that: Oct 15 17:40:15 dbus-launch python ./hello.py Oct 15 17:40:51 excellent... Oct 15 17:41:10 now comes the interesting part... Oct 15 17:41:24 will update the wiki as soon as i get it going... Oct 15 17:41:29 cool Oct 15 17:41:43 you better check freesmartphone.org -> tutorials though Oct 15 17:42:02 just a bit afraid i mess up aonther entry... see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone Oct 15 17:42:09 since we have completey different APIs nowadays Oct 15 17:42:16 no idea what's happening there... see discussion tab Oct 15 17:42:38 i'll take a look at building it Oct 15 17:42:48 thx mate Oct 15 17:44:32 np Oct 15 18:10:40 mickey: can you help me again? Oct 15 18:10:53 i am a total python newbie... Oct 15 18:11:05 didn't more than a hello world yet... Oct 15 18:11:52 i am stuck at: proxy = bus.get_object("org.openmoko.Dialer", "/org/openmoko/Dialer") Oct 15 18:12:36 obviously "org.openmoko.Dialer" became "org.freesmartphone.Phone" Oct 15 18:13:02 but i am stuck with the second part... just reading http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ Oct 15 18:13:15 hmm Oct 15 18:14:31 am i right that teh second argument is the "object_path"? Oct 15 18:15:45 or **kwargs Oct 15 18:16:29 getting a gps fix seems to be harder with some images Oct 15 18:17:33 with some kernels, yes Oct 15 18:18:49 ah Oct 15 18:18:52 using http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels Oct 15 18:18:54 currently Oct 15 18:19:13 FSO keeps state across power downs, so it is much faster to aquire signal than other images (all other images, AFAIK, do a cold-start of the GPS with each power-up or resume from suspend. Oct 15 18:19:34 That kernel has the software SD card fix for the GPS. Oct 15 18:19:54 hmm, after 30 mins still nothing Oct 15 18:20:19 i do use it from behind a window. but it has succeeded earlier Oct 15 18:20:49 depends on "luck" Oct 15 18:21:07 position of sats Oct 15 18:21:20 weather... Oct 15 18:21:21 Well, different times make a difference then -- if you have limited your "view" of the sky, then the aquisition will also depend on the visibility of the sats in the field of "vision" Oct 15 18:21:55 :D Oct 15 18:22:04 i demand more sats! Oct 15 18:22:05 :) Oct 15 18:22:11 ahwell, time to run Oct 15 18:23:40 The next OpenMoko mobile should have a bigger screen, as for example the T-mobile G1 Oct 15 18:23:58 I want a 100% free software phone Oct 15 18:24:11 T-mobile G1 is not :P Oct 15 18:25:32 davi: I don't think you can make any difference saying that here (or atleast not by saying here only) Oct 15 18:26:38 If i want to create a QT-C++ application for 2008.8, where should i start? Oct 15 18:27:28 Kagee: get Qtextended sdk for starters, I think Oct 15 18:28:39 Tm_T, Could you let me know the OpenMoko pre-customer@mailing-list ? Oct 15 18:29:19 davi: no idea Oct 15 18:29:25 thanks Oct 15 18:29:32 Oct 15 18:29:34 you're welcome Oct 15 18:29:57 I will not buy an OpenMoko up to it have a bigger screen, add a camera Oct 15 18:30:01 has* Oct 15 18:30:08 Tm_T, "Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" ? Oct 15 18:30:55 Kagee: mmmm no, I think there's some guides in openmoko wiki Oct 15 18:31:22 davi: I cannot help you on that, 'cause I'm not making any desicions Oct 15 18:33:22 there's no such thing like "FIC Neo Freerunner" Oct 15 18:33:42 DocScrutinizer: how so? Oct 15 18:33:49 s/FIC // Oct 15 18:33:50 DocScrutinizer meant: there's no such thing like "Neo Freerunner" Oct 15 18:34:26 not exactly what I meant, but maybe you get the picture ;-) Oct 15 18:34:39 but there is a neo freerunning Oct 15 18:34:58 that's a Openmolo Neo FR, no FIC product Oct 15 18:35:07 moko Oct 15 18:35:26 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIw3cv8Zls&feature=related Oct 15 18:40:59 Ainulindale? Do you receive power button events in frameworkd? Oct 15 18:42:17 Hi, does anybody know, how long the battery life of the freerunner is running qtextended/qtopia Oct 15 18:43:27 I'm trying to unmount /media/card, but «qpe», «mediaser» and «quicklaun» is using /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite. Can i kill those prosesses? Oct 15 18:43:30 no, nobody does, as it always depends Oct 15 18:44:41 any DBUSers around? Oct 15 18:46:30 exactt, many ;) Oct 15 18:47:46 quickdev: been around at 20:10 CEST? 37minutes ago? Oct 15 18:49:09 don't think so Oct 15 18:49:31 exactt: i am a total python newbie... Oct 15 18:49:32 (20:10:59) LetoTo [n=paul@bas13-ottawa23-1177956459.dsl.bell.ca] hat den Raum betreten. Oct 15 18:49:32 (20:11:05) exactt: didn't more than a hello world yet... Oct 15 18:49:32 (20:11:53) exactt: i am stuck at: proxy = bus.get_object("org.openmoko.Dialer", "/org/openmoko/Dialer") Oct 15 18:49:32 (20:12:36) exactt: obviously "org.openmoko.Dialer" became "org.freesmartphone.Phone" Oct 15 18:49:32 (20:12:52) mazzen [n=mortel@pcp-35.wi-inf.uni-essen.de] hat den Raum betreten. Oct 15 18:49:34 (20:13:02) exactt: but i am stuck with the second part... just reading http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ Oct 15 18:49:37 (20:13:15) lindi-: hmm Oct 15 18:49:39 (20:14:31) exactt: am i right that teh second argument is the "object_path"? Oct 15 18:49:57 trying to get the python example here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus working Oct 15 18:50:54 how can i find out the porper value for the object path? Oct 15 18:51:36 ahh. hang on... Oct 15 18:53:29 exactt, next time pastebin Oct 15 18:53:49 ok thx... also an IRC newbie... Oct 15 18:55:21 exactt, play with mdbus, execute it with the -s option...then append a string shown...and append the next one etc...till you've got your complete call, it's quite intuitive Oct 15 18:55:42 ok will try that Oct 15 18:56:31 sweet :-D Oct 15 19:00:21 What are the diffences on opkg and ipkg ? Oct 15 19:01:04 opkg is upgraded version of ipkg Oct 15 19:02:02 I installed som python packages to card using this : wiki/Package_management Oct 15 19:02:13 it keeps using ipkg :-S Oct 15 19:02:28 are there any opkt-utils? Oct 15 19:05:14 hey guys, when the 2008.9 is "locked" what does it disable? does it affect any background processes or connections? Oct 15 19:05:32 quickdev: i tried: mdbus org.freesmartphone.ophoned /org/freesmartphone/Phone CreateCall "089420955344" Oct 15 19:05:44 but i get: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. Oct 15 19:07:23 exactt, I think you have to use mdbus with -s option on every call Oct 15 19:08:11 it returns "/org/freesmartphone/Phone/Test/089xxx" but nothing happens.. Oct 15 19:09:30 exactt, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD Oct 15 19:12:32 quickdev: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ophoned /org/freesmartphone/Phone CreateCall '089xxx' 'GSM' true ??? called InitProtocols first. still nothing... Oct 15 19:15:26 exactt, I have only worked with GSM interfaces yet Oct 15 19:15:33 try using the GSM interface first Oct 15 19:15:39 phone is an abstraction higher Oct 15 19:15:48 and not yet complete (VoIP support et. al.) Oct 15 19:16:27 ok i give it a try... Oct 15 19:16:35 thx a lot so far Oct 15 19:19:45 mickey|sofa, I don't get any key events. Is that a kernel issue? Oct 15 19:20:12 sounds like it Oct 15 19:21:01 open the device nodes to check Oct 15 19:21:03 bbl Oct 15 19:22:13 uh-oh -- which key events? ONKEYF and ONKEYR ? Oct 15 19:22:38 aux and power Oct 15 19:22:58 which kernel? Oct 15 19:23:17 Version: 2.6.24+r8+gitrf5b973489beb1a1239dfad53e3ad6e36ff7ee958-r8 Oct 15 19:24:14 * mwester curses all who confuse configuration management, version control, and release management. Oct 15 19:24:54 so it's an outdated one? Oct 15 19:26:09 Don't know. I have to go to the git history to match up that id with anything meaningful. Oct 15 19:26:23 fwiw, check whether anyone has a GRAB on the events Oct 15 19:26:25 (I commited a change that messed with the key events) Oct 15 19:26:46 works fine here w/ 2.6.24+r8+gitr7+35d910f40ce2c7c959edfbaa671f88e8da5fa6b1-r8 - Oct 15 19:26:56 mickey|sofa, how do I read from /dev/input/event* ? Oct 15 19:27:03 it's unix... Oct 15 19:27:06 "cat" Oct 15 19:27:31 or hexdump, if you prefer readable :) Oct 15 19:27:40 really need to spend time w/ wifey now Oct 15 19:27:45 I tried that...much binary rubbish Oct 15 19:27:45 good speed Oct 15 19:27:56 a, it was the accelerator :) Oct 15 19:27:59 Ok, that kernel is recent, but does not have the code I added to consume key events. Oct 15 19:53:55 is there an german channel? Oct 15 19:57:54 Xaseron, #neo1973-germany Oct 15 20:11:51 #openmoko-reich Oct 15 20:12:10 A release every thousand years? Oct 15 20:12:19 rofl Oct 15 20:14:13 A DNF gag would be too easy at this point Oct 15 20:15:30 hi all Oct 15 20:15:52 i got right today my freerunner wth om2008.8 and upgraded it successfully.. Oct 15 20:16:05 no setting up the timzone.. but can't found one für switzerland/zurich Oct 15 20:16:20 is there any way to add this tz to om? Oct 15 20:19:00 or should i use /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT+1 Oct 15 20:20:25 what's the name of the module that provides the nat table? Oct 15 20:22:45 never mind :) Oct 15 20:24:47 iptables, route Oct 15 20:24:49 ? Oct 15 20:25:00 you really mean network adress table? Oct 15 20:26:00 i meant the kernel module that provides the support for the MASQUERADE target and the table in netfilter Oct 15 20:26:25 aha Oct 15 20:26:35 but it turned out to be a moot point because i forgot to compile it anyway Oct 15 20:26:37 on't no Oct 15 20:26:43 don't ^ Oct 15 20:26:43 I appear to have made my 2008.09 stop booting... it just stays at "Loading system..." any way I can get a rescue shell? Oct 15 20:27:10 don't what? Oct 15 20:27:33 don't know the name of the nat kernel modul :) Oct 15 20:27:34 Gromgull: reflash? Oct 15 20:27:37 Gromgull, maybe just reflash it? Oct 15 20:27:38 heh Oct 15 20:27:50 I've done quite a few things to the image - I would rather not reflash it now Oct 15 20:27:57 assuming there is another way? Oct 15 20:28:09 boot from SD Oct 15 20:28:39 you could copy the fs and then set it up through loopback on your computer and mess with it... Oct 15 20:29:19 jffs2 via mtdram? Oct 15 20:29:21 where to define, that my eth0 will automaticcaly connect to my wlan if i reboot my neo?.. in the moment i need to do that manually over the om terminal Oct 15 20:29:22 booting from sd could be a plan... Oct 15 20:29:26 hi there, gromgull: semms like I am experiencing similar problems since today morning testing upgrade Oct 15 20:29:39 timur: how would I copy the system when it wont boot? Oct 15 20:29:45 uboot Oct 15 20:29:47 can dfs-util reverse-flash? Oct 15 20:29:50 did not find a soloution yet Oct 15 20:31:42 Gromgull, --upload - upload from the DFU device into the given file[name]. Oct 15 20:31:48 sounds like something you want Oct 15 20:31:49 hrmf. could the debian people please package e17 and illume for debian-armel? Oct 15 20:31:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util Oct 15 20:34:23 anyone here running om-testing repository? Oct 15 20:36:34 http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-36127-2.html Oct 15 20:36:44 "shit and water resistant" Oct 15 20:51:45 wow.. my home is gone.. Oct 15 20:52:06 i can see only the little apps on top right, wlan, bt, gsm and bat Oct 15 20:52:08 :( Oct 15 20:53:43 Are the GTA01/2 batteries physically identical? Oct 15 20:54:36 * SpeedEvil is considering an external charger. Oct 15 20:57:30 * toggles_w recommends echo 500 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/force_usb_limit_dangerous Oct 15 20:59:18 <[Rui]> has anyone already tried raster's new image? Oct 15 20:59:27 <[Rui]> http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/ Oct 15 20:59:34 yes Oct 15 20:59:38 it's pretty Oct 15 20:59:39 wow i think i killed openmoko-today Oct 15 20:59:52 if i want start it over ssh.. then some error Oct 15 20:59:53 s Oct 15 20:59:57 <[Rui]> toggles_w: yes, I would hardly believe it otherwise.... but doesn it make/receive calls? Oct 15 21:00:06 Failed to get dbus connection: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session...... Oct 15 21:00:10 any idea? Oct 15 21:00:49 what i have done: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_OM_2007.2#What_does_the_keyboard_look_like.3F Oct 15 21:00:57 an then rebooted.. Oct 15 21:01:10 can that be the problem? Oct 15 21:01:17 [Rui]: no Oct 15 21:01:44 (openmoko-today:1546): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_theme_load_icon: assertion `GTK_IS_ICON_THEME (icon_theme)' failed Oct 15 21:02:03 <[Rui]> toggles_w: darn :( Oct 15 21:02:24 apparently there is a way to do it, but i haven't looked hard enough at figureing it out Oct 15 21:02:54 <[Rui]> toggles_w: well, thanks... you saved a couple of writes to my NAND :) Oct 15 21:03:42 topro: did you also have some issue with libglib-2.somethign when updating? Oct 15 21:03:58 [Rui]: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/032571.html Oct 15 21:04:43 gromgull: actually.. yes there were sme packages which could not be updated because they contained files provided by other packages Oct 15 21:04:53 I think it had something to do with libc Oct 15 21:05:50 And you left it unresolved? I -force removed the glib package, but forgot to readd it again later... doh! Oct 15 21:06:23 <[Rui]> toggles_w: I did that with the previous image, but it didn't work (no sound) Oct 15 21:06:27 yes, I left it unresolved so the packages didn't get upgraded Oct 15 21:06:42 <[Rui]> toggles_w: I'd make a call, and nothing... I didn't hear and the other side didn't either Oct 15 21:06:44 [Rui]: how did you do it? Oct 15 21:07:00 now it boots the kernel, starts the splash screnn, than hangs without green bar moving around Oct 15 21:07:05 <[Rui]> toggles_w: opkg install frameworkd zhone Oct 15 21:07:14 that didn't work for me Oct 15 21:07:21 dammit, what repo? Oct 15 21:07:29 i will try it out again when i get home Oct 15 21:07:59 <[Rui]> toggles_w: the fso repo Oct 15 21:09:03 [Rui]: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable Oct 15 21:10:22 <[Rui]> maybe Oct 15 21:10:35 <[Rui]> I think so, yeah Oct 15 21:10:39 [Rui]: ;-) Oct 15 21:10:45 [Rui]:thanks mate, i'll try again Oct 15 21:11:51 gonna leave now, maybe check back when I had some time to investigate tomorrow Oct 15 21:11:53 cu Oct 15 21:11:56 <[Rui]> yeah well... what the hell let's try it again, sam... Oct 15 21:16:18 can someone help Oct 15 21:16:27 i get this if i start openmoko-today: (openmoko-today:1598): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_theme_load_icon: assertion `GTK_IS_ICON_THEME (icon_theme)' failed Oct 15 21:16:49 ** (openmoko-today:1598): WARNING **: Failed to get dbus connection: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Cannot continue. Oct 15 21:17:55 <[Rui]> noaXess: are you launching from SSH? Oct 15 21:18:15 [Rui]: yes.. Oct 15 21:18:33 <[Rui]> did you first do export DISPLAY=:0 before? Oct 15 21:18:34 if i restart xserver-nodm can't get openmoko-today Oct 15 21:18:39 no Oct 15 21:19:12 [Rui]: same problem.. Oct 15 21:19:26 also if i do the export DISPLAY=:0 Oct 15 21:20:59 SpeedEvil: The two batteries have identical form factors, and can both be charged by a Nokia blc5 charger. Oct 15 21:21:24 [Rui]: i found this.. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2008-March/008081.html Oct 15 21:21:24 K Oct 15 21:25:48 <[Rui]> well, against my better judgement I tried it Oct 15 21:26:04 <[Rui]> usb0 isn't set up| Oct 15 21:26:06 <[Rui]> ! Oct 15 21:26:40 [Rui]: usb0 is down.. i connect over wifi to ssh Oct 15 21:26:54 but, does this have to do with openmoko-today? Oct 15 21:27:24 <[Rui]> noaXess: you like to have your phone rooted? Oct 15 21:27:44 [Rui]: rooted? don't understand? Oct 15 21:27:51 ssh root@ip Oct 15 21:28:08 We need to get more users. Oct 15 21:28:31 <[Rui]> noaXess: attacked by people with bad intentions Oct 15 21:28:53 [Rui]: i'm setting up it and then i will close all what i can do.. no problem in the moment.. Oct 15 21:28:57 just testing around Oct 15 21:29:50 [Rui]: should usb0 be up and configured default that openmoko-today can run? Oct 15 21:30:50 <[Rui]> noaXess: don't see why it would affect Oct 15 21:30:57 ok, me too. Oct 15 21:31:11 [Rui]: now why won't my om-today wnat run Oct 15 21:31:23 just a hint? Oct 15 21:32:07 the matchbox-window-manager is running like this: matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes -use_desktop_mode decorated -theme Moko -use_cursor no Oct 15 21:33:14 what i have don is "opkg remove -force-depends multitap-pad" to install the matchkox-keyboard-inputmethod.. Oct 15 21:33:36 can it be, that the remove command -force-depends has something removed that will be used for om-today? Oct 15 21:34:35 no have just removed the matchbox-keaboard-* and reinstalled multitap-pad Oct 15 21:34:38 but no change Oct 15 21:37:47 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r7cef687754b8 10/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Oct 15 21:37:47 freesmartphone.org: Implemented Device.Audio. Oct 15 21:37:47 freesmartphone.org: TODO : Oct 15 21:37:47 freesmartphone.org: - Implement methods : GetSupportedFormats, GetAvailableScenarios (which should be scenarii), PlaySound, StopSound, StopAllSounds, GetScenario. Oct 15 21:37:50 freesmartphone.org: - Implement a handler for SoundStatus signal in FrameworkdHandlers Oct 15 21:37:52 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * ra2e6cb5d1788 10/src/odeviced/ (2 files): Merge ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/libframeworkd-glib Oct 15 21:48:04 <[Rui]> well, what do you know... opkg install frameworkd zhone and now zhone won't even connect to dbus... well... let's try restarting X Oct 15 21:49:15 <[Rui]> nothing... reboot now Oct 15 21:49:26 [Rui]: ?? to me? Oct 15 21:51:25 hey guys, has anyone tried using any of the jvms available? any suggestions on which one to use Oct 15 21:51:26 ? Oct 15 21:51:39 hopefully something not buggy Oct 15 21:51:46 are there newer FSO images than MS3? Oct 15 21:52:04 timur: what do you intend to run with it? Oct 15 21:52:44 <[Rui]> ah... reboot seems to have helped Oct 15 21:52:58 lindi-, i'm gonna be writing a simple program that retrieves a media file from the internet and then outputs the bits to stdout, so i can play it with mplayer Oct 15 21:52:58 somone can help.. i can't run openmoko-today.. Oct 15 21:52:59 <[Rui]> now it's requesting the gsm resource... Oct 15 21:53:58 timur: ah and you want to write it in java? Oct 15 21:54:12 yea... so as not to muck about with cross compiling Oct 15 21:54:26 timur: python could be option too Oct 15 21:54:40 <[Rui]> U"#&/%"#&/%"#& bI just wasted a few ¢ no sound :( Oct 15 21:54:56 lindi-, you're right... sadly, i'm delegating this task to someone who doesn't want to learn python Oct 15 21:55:18 any suggestions with the VM? I used jamvm before and it worked pretty well, aside from a bug in toString Oct 15 21:55:32 i guess i'll go with it for now, since it's pretty small Oct 15 21:55:33 timur: jamvm with gnu classpath Oct 15 21:55:44 timur: so the bug is in gnu classpath, not jamvm Oct 15 21:56:01 lindi-, yea, fair enough Oct 15 21:56:37 timur: openjdk-6-jre is always an option Oct 15 21:57:00 and gcj with gnu classpath too Oct 15 21:57:09 lindi-, i think i'll give jamvm a shot. trying another vm shouldn't be a big deal Oct 15 21:57:43 thanks Oct 15 22:00:59 could some give me the kill command for the installer app off hand Oct 15 22:01:13 <[Rui]> "&%#&%"# no fscking sound at all, even fiddling with alsamixer Oct 15 22:01:21 err, kill -9 pid, where pid is the pid? Oct 15 22:01:33 or use killall with the name of the thing Oct 15 22:01:51 yeah, but whats the name of the install app Oct 15 22:02:04 kill -9 is a bad idea Oct 15 22:02:27 its alright ive got it Oct 15 22:02:37 hehe ps helps with those things :) Oct 15 22:02:49 thanks Oct 15 22:03:05 if i start openmoko-today i get some errors and this: GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running Oct 15 22:03:08 yea, kill -9 is a bit drastic, but does the installer app have state that has to be saved? Oct 15 22:03:20 any idea to fix this? Oct 15 22:04:08 a ps ax | grep dbus gives me 8 lines of running dbus deamons Oct 15 22:04:14 daemons ^ Oct 15 22:06:05 no help, hint tip? Oct 15 22:13:23 <[Rui]> CRINGE white screen of death with just a couple of minutes of idle on raster's new image Oct 15 22:13:33 <[Rui]> that does it... back to Om2008.9 :) Oct 15 22:15:21 * ljp waits for another flash to finish Oct 15 22:15:38 <[Rui]> on http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ ... how (if I should) do I install gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin ? Oct 15 22:17:30 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rc079416582d0 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-powersupply.h: Oct 15 22:17:30 freesmartphone.org: Followed odeviced PowerSupply "lowercasing". Oct 15 22:17:30 freesmartphone.org: TODO : Listen to quickdev for a bit and do this g_error thing on unknown constants. Oct 15 22:18:13 im trying an opkg update, and im getting sig check failed Oct 15 22:18:22 for all repos Oct 15 22:18:33 That's normal Oct 15 22:18:42 Packages are still updated Oct 15 22:18:46 ah okay Oct 15 22:18:52 (Package definition I mean) Oct 15 22:23:09 i need help, info: openmoko-today can't run: http://pastebin.com/d4bef338d Oct 15 22:23:47 i treid the "gconf problem" on bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 but no way Oct 15 22:32:38 just all are sleeping? :) Oct 15 22:33:13 i dont have any packages available to me Oct 15 22:33:18 om2008.9 btw Oct 15 22:33:20 <[Rui]> damn it, I don't think daily boots either :( Oct 15 22:33:34 <[Rui]> jones_: did you do opkg update ? Oct 15 22:33:38 yeah Oct 15 22:33:54 <[Rui]> jones_: sure you got internet access from the phone? Oct 15 22:33:57 list and list_installed both give 656, so theres none available Oct 15 22:34:10 i can ping google Oct 15 22:34:13 jones_, did you check if your repos are correct? Oct 15 22:34:17 for opkg Oct 15 22:34:35 i did fiddle last time.... Oct 15 22:34:44 can't nobody help? Oct 15 22:34:47 but updating worked, save from sig file failure Oct 15 22:35:35 <[Rui]> jones_: that's weird Oct 15 22:35:48 hrm you sure it downloaded packages.gz for each? Oct 15 22:36:56 its not complaining Oct 15 22:37:46 i can't run openmoko-dates too.. over ssh with first export DISPLAY=:0 Oct 15 22:37:49 same error Oct 15 22:38:35 something is wrong with my d-bus daemon Oct 15 22:40:52 it might be a curl thing Oct 15 22:40:58 ill try it from my laptop Oct 15 22:41:11 :( i will be ignored.. even no: "sorry no idea" :( Oct 15 22:41:57 sorry i have no idea noaXess Oct 15 22:42:38 thanks for response :) Oct 15 22:42:48 but i thing i found my problem.. bad. thing Oct 15 22:43:14 i have done ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Zurich /etc/timezone instead of ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Zurich /etc/localtime Oct 15 22:43:15 bad Oct 15 22:43:27 where can i get the file/etc/timezone?? Oct 15 22:43:33 its a fresh install Oct 15 22:45:52 or what is the content of /etc/timezone? Oct 15 22:46:13 what are the repos i should have define Oct 15 22:46:14 d Oct 15 22:47:05 i got it back my openmoko-today.. uff Oct 15 22:47:49 fdom is, like, very fat. Oct 15 22:48:11 duke3d produces a mass of ugly and loud sounds and then crashes... Oct 15 22:50:32 <[Rui]> noaXess: I'm reinstalling Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 so let's talk again in a few minutes :) Oct 15 22:51:13 [Rui]: no my problem is solved.. my fault.. i have overwritten /etc/timezone instead of a link for /etc/localtime.. tztz :) Oct 15 22:55:24 Wonka: made sure accelerometers are on? Oct 15 22:55:34 Wonka: hexdump /dev/input/event{2,3} Oct 15 22:56:45 <[Rui]> noaXess: ah Oct 15 22:57:06 <[Rui]> sicu: I've noticed that the accelerometers' aren't trustworthy Oct 15 22:57:16 [Rui]: but thans for response. Oct 15 22:57:18 <[Rui]> driver problem or just that they're a piece of garbage? Oct 15 22:58:39 <[Rui]> noaXess: well, it's installing anyway since I need a working phone :) Oct 15 22:59:09 id like wifi on my phone, and something to use the bluetooth Oct 15 22:59:21 but right now the uni network presents challenegs Oct 15 23:00:06 [Rui]: not sure, they work fine after a fresh restart ..... well, at least for a while anyways :/ Oct 15 23:00:26 what do you use them for? Oct 15 23:01:18 <[Rui]> sicu: maybe a driver problema Oct 15 23:01:23 can there be any problem, if i set a root password? i'm new in om :) Oct 15 23:01:37 jones_: well, they can be used for countless things, in this case they are used to move around in duke nukem 3d by tilting the FR in the direction you want to move Oct 15 23:01:44 <[Rui]> sicu: but before this new weird behaviour, cjb's and mine versions of rotate blocked after a while Oct 15 23:02:24 <[Rui]> ok step no1, pay attention to boot, so I can disable suspend ;) Oct 15 23:02:39 [Rui]: that's probably down to the same issue, as they both rely on accelerometers being functional :/ Oct 15 23:03:23 will have to look into it when i have more time next week i think Oct 15 23:03:23 <[Rui]> sicu: yeah, what I meant is that I don't believe it's a problem with software that reads from them :) Oct 15 23:04:33 I'd like some help from some git knowledable people in here if possible. Oct 15 23:04:46 I'm trying to get some branch off of the u-boot git-repository Oct 15 23:05:05 [Rui]: ah, gotcha ... you're probably right, seeing as all the software i have tested so far that relies heavily on accelerometers seem to crash&burn after a while :/ Oct 15 23:05:28 and I'm wondering how to do that exactly. Oct 15 23:06:09 pooze: you might have more luck taking your query into: #openmoko-cdevel Oct 15 23:06:22 ok, thanks. Oct 15 23:06:53 it is getting late though, so kinda depends who's still awake Oct 15 23:07:34 updated twice and im still not seeing any packages Oct 15 23:07:51 most developers are europeans? Oct 15 23:10:55 and crazy Oct 15 23:16:18 ok, another question then... my freerunner doesn't boot up anymore after todays upgrade on 2008.9 testing. But I'd like to copy my phonebook entries. Oct 15 23:16:22 how could I do that? Oct 15 23:16:46 obviously I can't just wait for updates packages to fix the problem, since I can't get to the point of actually trying to upgrade. Oct 15 23:16:59 it stops before usb-networking is activated Oct 15 23:17:20 go into uboot Oct 15 23:17:25 and there seems to be a bug in the uboot that prevents be from uploading the root-filesystem to my local machine. Oct 15 23:17:32 and use dfu-util to upload the rootfs jffs2 image Oct 15 23:17:43 them convert jffs2 to a working filesystem Oct 15 23:17:54 then Oct 15 23:17:58 you're stuffed Oct 15 23:17:59 :) Oct 15 23:18:00 there is a fix to the uboot however, but I'm very unfamiliar with git, so I don't seem to manage to get the right branch Oct 15 23:18:31 u could try an alternate image on sd-card Oct 15 23:18:33 raster: moin Oct 15 23:18:35 boot that from uboot Oct 15 23:18:39 [ http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/gitweb?p=u-boot.git;a=tree;hb=zecke ] <- this is the branch I want, in case somebody else knows how to get it Oct 15 23:18:42 and mount rootfs flash from there Oct 15 23:18:53 Docscrutinizer2: moo! Oct 15 23:19:31 pooze: try something like "git checkout zecke" after you've cloned the repository Oct 15 23:19:48 raster: I was pondering on that, but reading the wiki I found that I needed to fdisk and format partitions on the sd-card in order to put anything there Oct 15 23:19:57 which in turn means I need a working freerunner... unfortunately Oct 15 23:20:14 pooze: u can dsik it from your desktop Oct 15 23:20:23 err Oct 15 23:20:24 fdisk Oct 15 23:20:40 (or laptop) Oct 15 23:20:50 assuming u have a micro-sd to sd card adapter with you Oct 15 23:20:57 I'd love to.. if I get my hands on a computer with an sd-slot Oct 15 23:20:57 or a microsd-slot on your lap/desk Oct 15 23:21:06 and u have a desktop/laptop... Oct 15 23:21:10 aaah Oct 15 23:21:25 so u'll need to get your hands on one that Oct 15 23:21:27 then Oct 15 23:21:29 mmontour: "git checkout zecke" reports no file with name zecke found. Oct 15 23:21:35 i know i'm drowining in sd/cf slots Oct 15 23:21:40 lappy has one Oct 15 23:21:42 monitor has one Oct 15 23:21:52 sd card reader in a drawer somewhere Oct 15 23:21:58 <[Rui]> raster: hi there, do you know your image triggers the WSoD just with a dimmed screen? Oct 15 23:21:59 another laptop has one Oct 15 23:22:09 my n800 has 2 of them i can use Oct 15 23:22:11 raster: :) I'll have a look at work tomorrow if I can find one. Oct 15 23:22:23 zaurus has one i can use... treo650 has one... Oct 15 23:22:30 i'd be amazed u dont have one smoewhere Oct 15 23:22:41 [Rui]: doesnt happen to me. Oct 15 23:22:53 [Rui]: :) Oct 15 23:23:03 <[Rui]> raster: well, I had flasshed the 10-02 rootfs and uImage you provided Oct 15 23:23:19 <[Rui]> raster: other than that, I only installed frameworkd and zhone Oct 15 23:24:07 [Rui]: the wsod seems to affect some people with some phones Oct 15 23:24:08 <[Rui]> raster: I did point to the unstable fso feeds, but I didn't upgrade the system. Oct 15 23:24:08 and not others Oct 15 23:24:32 i know i've not seen it Oct 15 23:25:27 hi there. i recently bought a freerunner. i have one main issue with... telephone calls. 1) the speaker and microphone goes completely dead after a while, how do i fix this? 2) when the microphone (and speaker) works the volume on the mic is very low. how do i raise the mic volume? (i took a quick peek at alsamixer and i didn't feel comfortable with those tens of devices there) Oct 15 23:25:28 <[Rui]> raster: whithin the same hardware revision? Oct 15 23:25:32 raster: sure U r using 02? ;-) Oct 15 23:26:09 raster: U know: glamo Oct 15 23:26:35 pooze: did you first clone the repository with "git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git"? Oct 15 23:26:37 [Rui]: i have 2 fr's Oct 15 23:27:02 <[Rui]> raster: yeah... I saw your "gang" :) Oct 15 23:27:29 avtobiff: 10s? 100s! Oct 15 23:27:38 one was a production model Oct 15 23:27:43 so i think a06 Oct 15 23:27:50 the other - same but untested Oct 15 23:27:53 Docscrutinizer2, sorry? Oct 15 23:28:01 ie not production but ":unknown if everythign works" Oct 15 23:28:07 but everything does (seem) to work Oct 15 23:28:19 not soing to go open up the cases to get the board id's Oct 15 23:28:20 :) Oct 15 23:28:23 but i think a06's Oct 15 23:28:27 alsamixer Oct 15 23:28:48 Docscrutinizer2, ? Oct 15 23:29:19 ssh in Oct 15 23:29:23 and run alsamixer Oct 15 23:29:27 alsamixer has >90 controls Oct 15 23:29:43 one of those somewhere will change mic volume Oct 15 23:29:44 :) Oct 15 23:29:49 <[Rui]> raster: btw, speaking of your image... when you can, either increase the top bar so the clock is bigger or make it "digital" :) Oct 15 23:29:56 there are at least four that are named "Mic" Oct 15 23:30:00 <[Rui]> raster: I can read pointers very well, if I can see them :) Oct 15 23:30:32 [Rui]: i have increased size Oct 15 23:30:38 that was the size sean insisted on for asu Oct 15 23:30:42 its too small imho Oct 15 23:30:49 i've already upped it in upsteram source Oct 15 23:31:08 <[Rui]> raster: 2008.9's font size is good, readable Oct 15 23:31:18 along with havign removed the list of apps and now gone to 3 button mode Oct 15 23:31:25 <[Rui]> raster: but the clock pointers... I can't tell the time with a glance I have to really concentrate Oct 15 23:31:36 <[Rui]> raster: sweet Oct 15 23:31:36 does the neo have a vibrator as phone signal? Oct 15 23:31:37 its just e17's clock theme Oct 15 23:31:44 i havent done anything special for fr for it Oct 15 23:32:21 noaXess: yes. you can get your jollies. :) Oct 15 23:32:29 :) Oct 15 23:32:41 an is it enabled default for messages an ring? Oct 15 23:32:48 nfi Oct 15 23:32:54 nfi? Oct 15 23:33:05 no f**king idea Oct 15 23:33:15 ok Oct 15 23:34:49 noaXess: vibrator has to be handled by userland phone app Oct 15 23:35:26 * raster buzzes @ Docscrutinizer2 Oct 15 23:36:08 noaXess: more generally, by the task that starts audio signal as well Oct 15 23:36:45 raster: why? wrong? Oct 15 23:37:05 Docscrutinizer2: ok Oct 15 23:38:55 <[Rui]> is Louis Montagne or Alexandre Solleiro around? Oct 15 23:39:01 so I'd guess there should be some signaling daemon Oct 15 23:40:31 <[Rui]> great, finished all my activities for restoring an usable phone, news experiences only on the weekend :) Oct 15 23:40:32 ...which in turn asks profile-daemon about ringtone, volume, and vibrator Oct 15 23:43:21 Docscrutinizer2: is the userland app available for om2008.8? Oct 15 23:44:11 <[Rui]> btw, anyone knows how the address book sorts? Oct 15 23:44:17 <[Rui]> It seems quite random, ro me Oct 15 23:44:18 <[Rui]> to me Oct 15 23:45:02 noaXess: no idea of 2008 Oct 15 23:45:10 [Rui]: insertion order? Oct 15 23:46:03 <[Rui]> cjb: no way... only like that??? Oct 15 23:47:09 [Rui]: patches welcome, I'm sure Oct 15 23:47:11 <[Rui]> and it seems that "echo 'EnableFindBar=1' >> /home/root/.config/Trolltech/Contacts.conf" doesn't work anymore.. :( Oct 15 23:48:10 how can i activate the qtopia qwerty keyboard? Oct 15 23:48:29 <[Rui]> cjb: but isn't qtopie here for ... like... years? Oct 15 23:48:31 Docscrutinizer2: no. just vibrating. :) Oct 15 23:49:04 <[Rui]> I'm not complaining... just amazed :) Oct 15 23:51:22 <[Rui]> nite Oct 15 23:52:14 simple.. how can i see wich om version is on my neo?? Oct 15 23:53:00 err, /etc/*version*? Oct 15 23:53:33 200804240820 Oct 15 23:53:49 that is? om2008.8? or 2008.4 Oct 15 23:59:36 hm i think i have just 2008.4.. need to upgrad to latest stable 2008.8 or 2008.9.. Oct 15 23:59:44 but.. now time to sleep :) Oct 15 23:59:47 bye all.. Oct 16 00:50:35 openmoko: 03werner * r4714 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (7 files): Oct 16 00:50:35 openmoko: - rebasing continues ... Oct 16 00:50:35 openmoko: hif-linux-sdio.patch: Oct 16 00:50:35 openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: removed setting of EMPC (allow card to draw more Oct 16 00:50:35 openmoko: than 200mA) in SDIO_CCCR_POWER Oct 16 00:50:36 openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: forgot to initialize queue_lock Oct 16 01:19:54 openmoko: 03werner * r4715 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (4 files): Oct 16 01:19:54 openmoko: - rebasing continues ... Oct 16 01:19:54 openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: make arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c Oct 16 01:19:54 openmoko: (gta02_spi_mmc_bdinfo) an array, to better match style of similar uses Oct 16 01:19:54 openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi.patch: added board and driver registration and updated for new Oct 16 01:19:58 openmoko: style Oct 16 01:24:12 raster: oh shits yo, you can apparently overclock the hell out of the z72 :D Oct 16 01:24:20 I already cooked one :P Oct 16 01:24:48 thank god you have backups Oct 16 01:24:49 :) Oct 16 01:25:05 but... one homie down Oct 16 01:25:18 no no, it still works Oct 16 01:25:25 ooh Oct 16 01:25:26 but it would chernobyl after about a minute on Oct 16 01:25:28 what cooked then? Oct 16 01:25:35 well I hope it's all good Oct 16 01:25:39 it kept failing on me Oct 16 01:25:45 probably because it was overheated Oct 16 01:25:52 I guess it wasn't meant to run at 500+MHz? Oct 16 01:25:54 :P Oct 16 01:26:00 or 300 for that matter Oct 16 01:26:30 I did it with two of them, and just went by the clocks on the display, if time stopped, I knew it was in trouble :P Oct 16 01:26:50 the casing got superhot and I had to pop it out real quick Oct 16 01:28:52 hmm Oct 16 01:28:54 i suspect not Oct 16 01:29:39 :) Oct 16 01:31:27 often these arms can clock up and down a lot Oct 16 01:31:35 they have wide ranges where they in theory can run Oct 16 01:31:39 but running "stabilly" Oct 16 01:31:52 given there is no active cooling (fans) Oct 16 01:31:55 letalone even a heatsink... Oct 16 01:32:06 they just tend to aim for a certain freq in production Oct 16 01:32:21 then if neded clock it down for actual release to a stable clock speed Oct 16 01:32:27 eg freerunenr could do 500mhz Oct 16 01:32:28 in theory Oct 16 01:32:30 but it wasnt stable Oct 16 01:32:34 for various reasons Oct 16 01:32:36 thus its 400 Oct 16 01:35:29 Is there an FSO release that has a working testing or unstable feed? Oct 16 01:43:08 ARM CPUs are neat. Oct 16 01:43:18 we should get ourselves a set of microfans. Oct 16 01:43:22 Water cool it ;-P Oct 16 01:43:53 Sarguns Oct 16 01:43:59 YES Oct 16 01:44:28 raster, right Oct 16 01:44:30 aluminum Oct 16 01:44:40 Sargun, I should design one :) Oct 16 01:44:57 but I don't think consumers would look highly to carrying around a goldfish with their smartphone ;) Oct 16 01:46:00 Sargun_Screen: actually in all honesty -= do not bother with active coling. power suck Oct 16 01:46:06 passive - but heatsinks Oct 16 01:46:10 :) Oct 16 01:46:15 make the back or sides of the device a metal frame Oct 16 01:46:17 aluminum Oct 16 01:46:18 I'll mod one of mine out Oct 16 01:46:18 aluminium Oct 16 01:46:20 yeah Oct 16 01:46:22 make sure its attached to all the chips Oct 16 01:46:27 so the whole case IS the heatsink Oct 16 01:46:29 that'd be enough Oct 16 01:46:31 make sure to include a free ovenmit with purchase :D Oct 16 01:46:34 make for a much toucher frame Oct 16 01:46:48 raster: I was joking. Oct 16 01:46:57 Sargun, we're not. Oct 16 01:47:09 or just a heatsink built into the case Oct 16 01:47:13 make the phone out of glass. Oct 16 01:47:18 mm Oct 16 01:47:20 make the inside out of ceramic Oct 16 01:47:21 sexy Oct 16 01:47:24 iphone is already doing that Oct 16 01:47:37 but glass would be better Oct 16 01:47:47 upgrade to supercooled liquids! Oct 16 01:47:51 insulator though Oct 16 01:50:34 Hmm Oct 16 01:50:56 how about a permenent case Oct 16 01:51:34 permanent? Oct 16 01:51:42 Unopenable? Oct 16 01:51:45 Sounds more like Apple. Oct 16 01:51:46 http://www.timet.com/cod-p20.htm Oct 16 01:52:09 haha, sweet. Oct 16 01:52:38 theres a startup custom freerunner cases Oct 16 01:52:44 hot Oct 16 01:53:07 still crush the screen though Oct 16 01:53:22 :\ Oct 16 01:53:25 shitty Oct 16 01:55:48 so is there going to be a 2008.10 or not dave? Oct 16 01:56:15 All sources point to Oct 16 01:56:18 Segmentation fault Oct 16 01:56:24 :X Oct 16 01:56:33 Well, that doesn't bode well, for the Openmoko 8-ball :D Oct 16 01:57:08 o well Oct 16 01:57:15 Oh well, oh hell. Oct 16 01:57:43 i put 20080927 om on Oct 16 01:57:54 seems to work ok Oct 16 01:58:07 not eatting the battery Oct 16 02:00:03 OM NOM NOM Oct 16 02:00:12 fucking bipolar telephones Oct 16 02:00:16 mm, lithium ion Oct 16 02:00:20 needing all that lithium in their diet :p Oct 16 02:00:22 heh, yeah Oct 16 02:07:58 so does the blue power button in debian mean the battery is full? Oct 16 02:10:16 Why not? Oct 16 02:35:41 slaxxin, it means it's happy. Oct 16 02:51:10 just upgraded to 2008.09 Oct 16 02:51:33 does anyone know what the splash image is for? Oct 16 02:52:14 the boot? like all splash images it is to entertain you while you wait Oct 16 02:53:04 but, if i just flashed to 2008.09, do i need to also flash the splash? Oct 16 02:53:24 or is that only if i opkg'ed from 2008.08? Oct 16 02:53:47 splash image Oct 16 02:53:56 (on partiton) is displayed by uboot Oct 16 02:53:59 before kernel starts Oct 16 02:54:10 to keep u amused while uboot pauses and loads kernel Oct 16 02:54:14 ok Oct 16 02:54:15 until kernel is up and inits fb Oct 16 02:54:45 ah, ok. nah, i rather like watching the kernel messages scroll Oct 16 02:54:56 i don't Oct 16 02:54:57 its ugly Oct 16 02:55:38 if i was ginving the phone to my mothr, i would use the splash **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 16 02:59:58 2008