**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 18 02:59:57 2008 Oct 18 03:00:01 what git repo will you be committing this work to? Oct 18 03:00:23 * mwester apologizes to his English teacher for ending a sentence a preposition with. Oct 18 03:00:41 mwester: local tree Oct 18 03:00:44 patch files go in svn Oct 18 03:00:57 as i dont have git commit access to oe Oct 18 03:01:08 You should get that changed. Oct 18 03:01:08 if i had access i'd be putting all my stuff in there Oct 18 03:01:15 right now its just a pita Oct 18 03:01:22 if i did a patch every few months - it'd be fine Oct 18 03:01:27 but i seem to have a small forest of them Oct 18 03:01:40 hos do u list patches? Oct 18 03:01:50 how Oct 18 03:01:51 in git Oct 18 03:02:00 (withotu generating formatpatch stuff) Oct 18 03:02:01 ? Oct 18 03:02:03 without Oct 18 03:02:17 I just use git diff Oct 18 03:02:36 i already committed my patches (locally) Oct 18 03:02:48 i just want the list git-formatpatch produces Oct 18 03:03:05 ok Oct 18 03:03:08 currently 13 patches Oct 18 03:03:14 writing better patches than the oner of the os,,,,,hmmmm,, sounds alot like the way slackware got its beginning Oct 18 03:03:19 *nuked a few from my last list) Oct 18 03:03:22 But honestly -- I use a gui tool gitk is the ugliest GUI I've seen in a while, but does a nice job of letting you view the branching structure and the individual patches that make it up. Oct 18 03:03:52 i dont like complex branching Oct 18 03:03:55 :) Oct 18 03:04:00 i like the svn/cvs model Oct 18 03:04:04 u have the 1 true head Oct 18 03:04:09 u commit to it when your shiut works Oct 18 03:04:15 I don't either -- I like short-lived branches, directly off the main trunk. Oct 18 03:04:17 or at leats its build/runtime disabeld and breaks nothing Oct 18 03:04:46 at least over tiem in e development it has resulted in a head that is incredibly solid Oct 18 03:04:54 as u have to always sync with changes Oct 18 03:05:04 u cant run off into your own branch world for ages and ignroe the mainline Oct 18 03:05:16 and then when u come back find all the stuff that doesnt patch/work etc. anymore Oct 18 03:05:33 also u tend to be more careful Oct 18 03:05:39 or worse, just merge your long-lived branch into the mainline without checking and break everything. Oct 18 03:05:45 you use compile and runtime ways of "having a branch" Oct 18 03:05:52 ie configure --enable-my-crap Oct 18 03:05:53 or Oct 18 03:05:59 myapp -enable-my-thing Oct 18 03:06:19 so int he end your playing is much mroe easily tested by people Oct 18 03:06:31 results in better quality as u get test results early and often Oct 18 03:06:42 but thats me :) Oct 18 03:06:47 i like that way of doing stuff Oct 18 03:06:53 anyway Oct 18 03:06:59 i probably shoudl get committ access Oct 18 03:07:15 i think i'm the only one who is maintainign or fixing the palmt650 stuff in oe Oct 18 03:07:21 as such the krenl doesnt build at all without my fixes Oct 18 03:07:23 Yeah, just ask mickey or one of the other OE core devs, I expect. Oct 18 03:07:25 :) Oct 18 03:07:29 yeah Oct 18 03:07:30 i should Oct 18 03:07:33 but for now... Oct 18 03:07:38 back to adding to my patch farm Oct 18 03:07:43 I can commit stuff for you (and happily will do so), but that's not ideal. Oct 18 03:07:52 mwester: yeah - its not Oct 18 03:07:58 mickey knows of my patch fark Oct 18 03:08:00 farm Oct 18 03:08:04 he's sucked some patches from it Oct 18 03:08:09 but others remain untouched Oct 18 03:10:55 hgmm Oct 18 03:10:57 do we need avahi Oct 18 03:10:59 yes or no? Oct 18 03:14:46 no? Oct 18 03:14:57 *shrug* Oct 18 03:15:15 * mwester wonders what it does for us? Oct 18 03:15:42 avahi does the zeroconf stuff Oct 18 03:15:56 * Kensan can't sleep Oct 18 03:16:09 yeah, it applies the default ip range when dhcp can't get an addy right? Oct 18 03:16:34 hmm... so it's basically useful for nothing much. the wifi doesn't really work, and there's only one system on the other end when it's plugged into USB. Oct 18 03:16:53 Sounds to me like that's something that can be deferred until the user decides they actually want it. Oct 18 03:17:01 *if* they ever want it. Oct 18 03:17:08 mwester: let me quote the webiste: "Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared." Oct 18 03:17:12 yeah...I don't care if my wifi is on 169.whatever or whatever it is when it can't connect Oct 18 03:17:17 so no, I don't think we need it Oct 18 03:17:20 :) Oct 18 03:17:42 hehe! An act of optimism must have put it in there to begin with. Oct 18 03:17:48 lol Oct 18 03:17:59 find printers Oct 18 03:18:10 Yeah, lets run cups on the phone too! Oct 18 03:18:15 lol Oct 18 03:18:27 maybe in debian... Oct 18 03:18:27 lol Oct 18 03:18:55 i just moved it off until much later in boot\ Oct 18 03:19:02 Well, let's make sure we have something worth printing then -- opkg install openoffice Oct 18 03:19:03 just was pondering if we want to iunstall it at all Oct 18 03:19:17 raster: I would say let's pull it out. Oct 18 03:19:25 I bet nobody notices. Oct 18 03:19:26 ugh Oct 18 03:19:31 need to find the thing that sucks it in Oct 18 03:19:36 ooo on the neo....*shudder* Oct 18 03:19:36 yea it would bee too cool to print an invoice using a nearby printer standing in the office waiting to get paid Oct 18 03:20:24 raster: maybe you just want to deactivate? Oct 18 03:20:48 it's hooked to dbus so it's bound to happen that somebody will find out about it... Oct 18 03:22:34 Reading the docs, I can't imagine how they'd know it's gone -- it doesn't work on point-to-point links, so it's only useful on wifi - and that doesn't really work yet at all. Oct 18 03:22:49 ok Oct 18 03:22:51 rcS.d Oct 18 03:22:53 So avahi is an utter and total waste of valuable flash space on the GTA01. Oct 18 03:22:57 hmm Oct 18 03:22:58 and getting a default IP on wifi when it can't connect is kinda pointless.... Oct 18 03:22:58 actually Oct 18 03:23:06 worry about that... later Oct 18 03:23:07 fgirs Oct 18 03:23:08 rebuild image Oct 18 03:23:20 * mwester makes a note of another useless bit of bloat to get removed from his rather-stuffed neo :) Oct 18 03:23:45 techiem2-r: the default IP is handled by dhcpcd -- different process. Oct 18 03:24:01 really? I thought avahi handled that when dhcp couldn't get an addy Oct 18 03:24:04 guess not Oct 18 03:24:04 lol Oct 18 03:24:24 I can't find ANYTHING in the docs for avahi that give me any idea of what could possibly be using it on the current Om images. Seriously. Oct 18 03:24:56 i suspect its ./angstrom/angstrom-zeroconf-audio.bb Oct 18 03:24:57 mwester: nothing does. Oct 18 03:25:13 hmm Oct 18 03:25:15 raster: might be that. Oct 18 03:25:15 ... Oct 18 03:25:20 maybe not Oct 18 03:25:25 raster: let me check the depends.dot Oct 18 03:25:26 only sdr-im,age abd beagleboard Oct 18 03:25:39 raster: ah right, still converting to png... Oct 18 03:26:26 ./packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio.inc Oct 18 03:26:33 oh Oct 18 03:26:34 hmm Oct 18 03:26:36 bummer Oct 18 03:27:00 oh right...pulse uses avahi Oct 18 03:27:02 I didn't think Om images were still using pusleasuio Oct 18 03:27:06 but...2008.x doesn't use pulse Oct 18 03:27:08 hehe Oct 18 03:27:10 pulseaudio uses it so you can seamlessly stream audio to other avahi/pulseaudio devices in the local network Oct 18 03:27:15 hehe! Oct 18 03:27:25 no Oct 18 03:27:25 yeah...which is pretty cool if you can get it working Oct 18 03:27:29 i dotn have pulseaudio installed Oct 18 03:27:30 grrr Oct 18 03:27:53 2007.2 used pulse Oct 18 03:27:54 hehe Oct 18 03:27:57 ./conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf Oct 18 03:27:59 I think that avahi and pulseaudio is one of those things that can be re-investigated when the device boots and works properly. :) Oct 18 03:27:59 aja! Oct 18 03:28:18 and when they figure out how to let pulse work without killing the cpu Oct 18 03:28:19 lol Oct 18 03:28:19 mwester: totaly agree Oct 18 03:28:53 mwester: it's right there before "printing" Oct 18 03:28:53 DISTRO_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS += " \ Oct 18 03:29:14 raster: chop away Oct 18 03:30:10 angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc Oct 18 03:30:15 culprit Oct 18 03:30:18 found it Oct 18 03:30:20 chop chop Oct 18 03:30:27 hmm Oct 18 03:30:34 do we need an openssh-sfpt server? Oct 18 03:30:37 if we have dropbear Oct 18 03:30:39 really? Oct 18 03:30:43 lol Oct 18 03:30:48 openssh-sftp-server Oct 18 03:31:01 someone rescue that one from the chop too Oct 18 03:31:16 * raster is about to chop Oct 18 03:31:17 * Kensan hands raster a Katana Oct 18 03:31:38 everybody is doing scp anyways Oct 18 03:31:53 some people are using nfs but that's a whole other gang Oct 18 03:32:36 fuse & sshfs Oct 18 03:32:49 that's better. :) Oct 18 03:32:53 mmm Oct 18 03:33:40 wish I could do sshfs FROM my FR though Oct 18 03:33:41 hehe Oct 18 03:35:17 ok 2nd time. off to bed, for real Oct 18 03:35:34 haha Oct 18 03:36:04 raster: will ping when I am back. Oct 18 03:36:15 !logs Oct 18 03:36:16 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Oct 18 03:36:17 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Oct 18 03:36:18 Live-logs are available at Oct 18 03:36:19 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Oct 18 03:36:21 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Oct 18 03:36:30 have fun choping away Oct 18 03:36:55 opk Oct 18 03:36:59 full os build roaring along Oct 18 03:37:19 19 bloody patches Oct 18 03:37:59 and i still need to now add eina as a package Oct 18 03:38:02 and update efl for deps Oct 18 03:49:32 yeh, eina caused me some trouble when i was installing a couple of days ago Oct 18 03:49:43 i havent even updated my tree Oct 18 03:49:47 but eina came in this week Oct 18 03:50:22 so it was only just resently moved from proto then ? Oct 18 03:51:27 meant for desktop, not FR =] Oct 18 03:52:34 btw raster, the some of the latest pics on scap are from SHR Oct 18 03:52:53 seem to remember you asking ainulindale about images Oct 18 03:53:23 ewww Oct 18 03:53:25 most ugly Oct 18 03:53:57 stupid maemo-xchat replaces intercapitalized "S" of DocScrutinizer - grrr >:-( Oct 18 03:55:50 raster: haha ... they're not that bad ;p Oct 18 03:57:25 what's up doc? =] Oct 18 03:57:31 sicu: some people have ... lower expectations/standards :) Oct 18 03:57:46 *g* Oct 18 03:59:22 sicu: xchat "fixes" my nick presets Oct 18 04:00:42 hehe .. it knows best Oct 18 04:01:43 DocScrutinizer2: trust the xchat Oct 18 04:01:45 it knows better! Oct 18 04:03:04 lol. yeah also auto-caps can't be disabled it seems Oct 18 04:03:23 annoying Oct 18 04:21:10 Anyone aware of a QT 4.4 update? Oct 18 04:38:10 anyone know what i have to do to get GPS going on SHR Oct 18 04:38:42 tangoGPS comes with the image, but cannot get a fix :/ Oct 18 07:08:09 Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ Oct 18 07:29:13 blogspam Oct 18 07:29:50 <||Leto||> sicu: get openmoko-agpsui Oct 18 07:30:09 <||Leto||> sicu: then get an open space, outside a building, with clear view of the sky Oct 18 07:30:20 <||Leto||> sicu: you won't get a fix within a house Oct 18 08:17:20 dude, gnugo compiles for arm hehe Oct 18 08:17:32 it works pretty well on the fr Oct 18 08:18:40 what's gnugo? Oct 18 08:19:02 a Go program Oct 18 08:19:49 now I just need a gui other than the terminal Oct 18 08:20:38 ah, ok :) Oct 18 08:20:54 i thought of something mobile :) Oct 18 08:21:48 perhaps "GNU Go" would have been better Oct 18 08:22:32 ). Oct 18 09:04:14 hmm Oct 18 09:04:30 i haven't really used my FR in a while, havent had time with school and all, which image should i flash it with? Oct 18 09:04:37 Preferably for maximum usage capability :p Oct 18 09:04:48 I think it's flashed with some ancient qtopia image now. Oct 18 09:06:48 Hmm... It depends what you mean by usage capability, really :) Oct 18 09:07:15 Use-as-phone capability or go-insane-and-poke-about-with capability? :) Oct 18 09:07:22 hi all Oct 18 09:07:39 what feed do i need for my gta02 if i installed qtopia? Oct 18 09:07:53 qtopia or qtextended? :) Oct 18 09:07:57 i installed qtopia-4.3.3-gta02-rootfs.jffs2 Oct 18 09:08:07 Right, just a second (wrong channel ;) ) Oct 18 09:08:15 neo feed at http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo Oct 18 09:08:37 leinir: basically use as a phone, finger friendly, not going to crash everytime i press something. (or not likely to crash) Oct 18 09:08:47 leinir: so i need to change my feeds.. cause they point to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/... Oct 18 09:08:48 + being able to explore a bit :p Oct 18 09:09:08 flexd_: In that case, Qt Extended 4.4.1 :) Oct 18 09:09:20 noaXess: Ooh, that... Different feed, sorry :) Oct 18 09:09:21 leinir: right.. Oct 18 09:09:28 Guess i'll just have to find my phone then ;) Oct 18 09:09:34 noaXess: No, just try loading the actual site, it'll tell you what to do :) Oct 18 09:09:39 It's not possible to flash it from windows is it? Oct 18 09:10:31 NO idea, don't use it i'm afraid :) Oct 18 09:10:43 jep.. :) don't use win.. :) Oct 18 09:11:04 seems i can Oct 18 09:11:28 I usually have a linux machine available, but this machine is windows and i cba to put another machine up ;) Oct 18 09:13:08 flexd_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner there is a windows part Oct 18 09:13:13 Windows: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=166&release_id=162 Oct 18 09:14:43 leinir: if i flash the rootfs, will the current rootfs will be overwritten and some settings will still be available? Oct 18 09:15:47 If you flash the rootfs, it'll also overwrite all your settings (as they're in /etc or /root iirc) :) Oct 18 09:16:03 ok.. means a fresh install Oct 18 09:16:20 hm.. look: more /etc/version -> 200809300955 Oct 18 09:16:34 is that not a om stamp.. or is it also a qtopia time stamp Oct 18 09:16:54 where do i see what qtopia version i have installed? Oct 18 09:17:17 system info :) ok Oct 18 09:17:19 hm.. Oct 18 09:17:30 4.3.3 Oct 18 09:17:41 now.. how to upgrade to 4.4.1 without reflashing it? Oct 18 09:18:55 looks like there's more effort involved in setting up a winblows machine for flashing the FR, than it would be to reformat, install linux and flash FR from there =] Oct 18 09:19:09 or boot from livecd ... ;] Oct 18 09:20:09 sicu: and there's a problem with that? Oct 18 09:23:08 sicu: i cba to do that :p Oct 18 09:23:19 Guess i'll just hook it up to my server in the closet.. Oct 18 09:23:47 hehe ... none whatsoever ... just trying to discourage flexd_ from his windows plans :p Oct 18 09:23:55 ant it worked =] Oct 18 09:25:17 i miss my lite brite Oct 18 09:25:54 on a neo freerunner need i the feed armv4t? Oct 18 09:25:57 sicu: If it works in windows i might aswell do it Oct 18 09:26:43 flexd_: the server in your closet runs windows ? Oct 18 09:26:56 sicu: no, but it's like 5 meters away Oct 18 09:27:13 cba to go all the way when im sitting 30cm from a usb outlet on my windows box :p Oct 18 09:31:43 haha ... lazy Oct 18 09:32:12 if i do a opkg upgrade i get this: http://pastebin.com/d7cbb7fa5 Oct 18 09:32:29 any idea why this problem with libgmodule-2.0-0? Oct 18 09:34:12 and also libgthread-2.0-0 Oct 18 09:37:17 ? Oct 18 10:19:18 raster: ping Oct 18 10:19:55 poong Oct 18 10:20:03 raster: ah there you are :) Oct 18 10:20:09 * Kensan is tired Oct 18 10:20:20 raster: did you get your git repos fixed= Oct 18 10:20:21 ? Oct 18 10:20:24 yes Oct 18 10:20:32 building image with changes (bootup speedups etc.) Oct 18 10:20:39 nice! Oct 18 10:20:58 moo Oct 18 10:21:31 got proper patches ready Oct 18 10:21:35 just need to actually test Oct 18 10:22:07 raster: right. What did you change wrt init stuff? Oct 18 10:22:21 raster: did you chop a couple other things? Oct 18 10:23:25 0014-bootfast-improve-boot-speed-by-removing-useless-bi.patch Oct 18 10:23:25 0015-boot-faster-move-avahi-to-level-51-for-init-late.patch Oct 18 10:23:25 0016-move-xserver-earlier-to-S40-for-faster-boot.patch Oct 18 10:23:25 0017-boot-faster-move-dropbear-to-S60-so-its-up-after-x.patch Oct 18 10:23:25 0018-boot-faster-move-bluez-to-pri-55-after-x.patch Oct 18 10:23:26 0019-remove-avahi-and-openssh-sftp-server-not-needed-fo.patch Oct 18 10:23:36 for now thats all Oct 18 10:23:46 raster: I will take your latest changes then once you push them and work on mdev Oct 18 10:23:50 0014 remosed bootmisc uselessness Oct 18 10:24:08 raster: right, that's all the things we discussed this morning :) Oct 18 10:25:20 can't install any package the provides libgmodule.. Oct 18 10:25:26 Package libgmodule-2.0-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 Oct 18 10:25:30 Package libgmodule-2.0-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 Oct 18 10:25:32 any idea? Oct 18 10:25:40 But that file is already provided by package * libglib-2.0-0 Oct 18 10:26:16 Kensan: well some more in rcS.d Oct 18 10:26:23 like network coming up later Oct 18 10:26:24 etc. etc. Oct 18 10:26:45 raster: great. Oct 18 10:30:04 ok Oct 18 10:30:06 lets see if it boots Oct 18 10:30:08 at all Oct 18 10:31:29 hey.. will i be ignored here? Oct 18 10:31:59 noaXess: no generally not but it seems nobody knows a solution to your problem. Oct 18 10:32:01 Kensan: it boots Oct 18 10:32:06 raster: cool :) Oct 18 10:33:20 need a the armv4t feed on the om-gta02? Oct 18 10:33:23 unfortunately cant compare apples vs apples Oct 18 10:33:40 need i ^ Oct 18 10:33:47 different ubtoo timeouts on these 2 fr's Oct 18 10:33:55 and the new image has most of frameworkd back in Oct 18 10:33:59 raster: ah ic Oct 18 10:34:22 i think theres abotu a 10 second headstart on my old one Oct 18 10:34:25 raster: well then it's more "realistic" Oct 18 10:34:36 hmm Oct 18 10:34:44 cant spot a different in boot time :( Oct 18 10:34:56 hm... Oct 18 10:35:12 let me level out uboot land Oct 18 10:40:02 raster: ldconfig alone gives you ~15 secs Oct 18 10:47:38 hmmm Oct 18 10:48:01 uboot on one of my fr's loads and decompresses kernle much faster than the other Oct 18 10:48:03 odd Oct 18 10:48:09 about 5 seconds Oct 18 10:48:49 hmm Oct 18 10:48:51 neck and neck Oct 18 10:49:42 WOOOOOOOOOOOOO Oct 18 10:49:49 1256 root 20 0 19736 12m 5092 S 1.0 10.3 0:27.34 python Oct 18 10:49:51 damnit Oct 18 10:49:53 frameworkd Oct 18 10:49:55 eating up ram Oct 18 10:50:27 thats about 7m or ram chewed up there Oct 18 10:50:30 * raster is disturbed Oct 18 10:51:47 oh :( Oct 18 10:52:10 i was right to remove it frommy image Oct 18 10:52:25 for what is ju7st a back-end data/marshaller Oct 18 10:52:31 and event collector Oct 18 10:52:33 thats horrible Oct 18 10:52:38 e uses less ram Oct 18 10:53:06 (about 4m) Oct 18 10:53:17 and thats for hefty pixel/image/theme and font data Oct 18 11:04:56 * Gromgull wonders on the relationship between paroli, tichy and zhone Oct 18 11:05:16 zhone is only a test program Oct 18 11:07:12 so zhone is only there while we wait for paroli Oct 18 11:07:34 or anything else that competes with it Oct 18 11:08:36 and tichy is just a UI framework that will be used for paroli Oct 18 11:09:15 * raster goes back to mulling his competing ui in c Oct 18 11:10:36 Your c based FSO frontend? Oct 18 11:10:53 no :) Oct 18 11:11:11 his tichy competitor? Oct 18 11:11:41 i will do a dialler and sms and contact app in c Oct 18 11:11:42 anyway Oct 18 11:11:52 so basically all of the front end Oct 18 11:12:22 and a nice notifer? Oct 18 11:12:28 as 2007.2 Oct 18 11:13:18 this sounds interesting - i always thought it a bit risky (i.e. slow) to write such a central part in python Oct 18 11:23:27 raster: did you commit your patches? Oct 18 11:24:26 Kensan: no Oct 18 11:24:28 not yet Oct 18 11:25:28 raster:is there illume for debian? Oct 18 11:26:06 Kensan: have now Oct 18 11:26:13 admiral0: no that i know of Oct 18 11:27:13 raster:can enlightenment have some panels on one workspace, but not on another? Oct 18 11:27:23 yes Oct 18 11:27:42 shelf in e Oct 18 11:27:44 :D Oct 18 11:27:44 in shelf config Oct 18 11:27:49 in advanced Oct 18 11:27:53 fantastic Oct 18 11:28:06 raster: ok, I will rebuild here and take that as a base Oct 18 11:28:06 ok Oct 18 11:28:14 thank you Oct 18 11:28:32 raster: maybe I will remove all the phone stuff for the time being... Oct 18 11:28:34 debian will be e17 for me now :D Oct 18 11:28:34 being Oct 18 12:05:17 hello Oct 18 12:05:54 对不起 测试 Oct 18 12:28:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5c89c8b8495c 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: improve error specs, clean up, bump version Oct 18 12:28:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5b2e4fdf7b30 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousage: fix potential errors detected by pychecker Oct 18 12:28:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1f9002235a49 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: ogsmd: send +CSMS=1 only after the SIM has been unlocked Oct 18 12:38:48 Hi. Has anyone looked at gbrainy? Looks like something that would be fun on the freerunner. I tried to crosscompile, but it requires gnome-sharp-2.0, which isn't in http://dev.bec-systems.com/feed/openmoko/mono/. Oct 18 12:40:07 Another problem with it is that it doesn't allow a smaller window than 500x655, but it doesn't use all the space inside the window, so that could hopefully be changed without too much modification onf the code. Oct 18 12:41:45 then modify away Oct 18 12:41:46 :) Oct 18 12:46:41 Yup, will probably look more at it, but if anyone else feels like having gbrainy on the FR, feel free to give it a try. I have to do my homework before I can do more (bah... I don't like to have homework in the weekends). ;) Oct 18 12:48:03 * SpeedEvil passes haakeyar a dog, with a nametag 'Homeworkeater'. Oct 18 12:49:56 SpeedEvil: does the "dog" have a lanyard hole? :-) Oct 18 12:50:17 Depends how hard you try? ;) Oct 18 12:50:42 :-D Oct 18 12:54:33 I've been fiddleing with my freerunner for a couple of days. Is there a way to synchronize Evolution with PIM on openmoko? Oct 18 13:03:53 is there a way to enter "ctrl+F7" on N810-hw-keyboard? Oct 18 13:05:13 (maemo actually) Oct 18 13:07:13 nikolajsheller, i don't know the answer to your question but i am also interested in this. btw, what pim do you use? Oct 18 13:07:26 DocScrutinizer2: none i know of Oct 18 13:12:49 hmm,xmodmap? Oct 18 13:16:08 avtobiff: I want to use evolution. I would like to share contacts/calendar/mail between the openmoko and my desktop Evolution Oct 18 13:16:11 if they used e and illume Oct 18 13:16:20 i'd say "writ e akbd file that has F1-FN keys" Oct 18 13:16:21 :) Oct 18 13:17:47 actually "chr" key seems to have no modifier properties at all Oct 18 13:18:19 also there seem to be unused valid combinations like ctrl-BS etc Oct 18 13:18:53 missinig ALT key is a PITA Oct 18 13:19:13 * raster points at alt in the Termiona.kbd for illume Oct 18 13:19:15 admittedly Oct 18 13:19:19 missing function keys Oct 18 13:19:26 but hey Oct 18 13:19:31 u can only fit so much in Oct 18 13:19:32 :) Oct 18 13:20:09 do things like "doubleclick" e.g. the ctrl key? to get ALT Oct 18 13:20:35 already have an alt Oct 18 13:20:37 "_ Oct 18 13:20:41 :) Oct 18 13:20:43 so no need Oct 18 13:20:53 hey, I bought N810 to learn how to do *better* on NEO ;-) Oct 18 13:22:21 painfully miss my "ALT-." in terminal of N810 ;-) Oct 18 13:40:27 Free programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ Oct 18 14:15:00 has anyone experience with mounting hte jffs2 images? Oct 18 14:15:08 i.e. on a "normal" computer? :) Oct 18 14:16:05 wiki has instructions Oct 18 14:17:38 yes, but i get errors :) Oct 18 14:17:42 mount: special device /dev/mtdblock0 does not exist Oct 18 14:20:18 does anyone have a toolchain set up for neo1973 that could compile 1 file for me? Oct 18 14:22:28 xzcvzx i have Oct 18 14:25:22 xiangfu: http://rafb.net/p/1dclTd43.html Oct 18 14:25:28 if you wouldnt miond Oct 18 14:25:29 mind* Oct 18 14:27:28 WHAT "your heeaadd hurts too much to think" Oct 18 14:31:52 * Gromgull ponders "mount: unknown filesystem type 'jffs2'" Oct 18 14:32:01 xzcvczx: you don't have a debian machine around? Oct 18 14:32:43 lindi-: i am on a ubuntu one currently, but my download speed is very slow at the moment and i dont have the toolchain Oct 18 14:36:10 xzcvczx: apt-get install emdebian-tools && sudo emsetup --arch armel && arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -o hello hello.c fork for something so simple here in debian uns Oct 18 14:36:13 +table Oct 18 14:36:23 s/fork/works/ Oct 18 14:36:52 xzcvczx: i got this: xz.c:(.text+0x1d4): undefined reference to `pow' Oct 18 14:37:05 xzcvczx: you forgot to link libm Oct 18 14:37:28 xiangfu: gcc -o altitude altitude.c -lm -Os Oct 18 14:38:40 xzcvczx: http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/altitude is what i get Oct 18 14:38:46 xzcvczx: with arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc altitude.c -o altitude -Os -lm Oct 18 14:39:10 xzcvczx: got it Oct 18 14:40:14 cheers Oct 18 14:42:27 lindi-: and thanks for the advice about emdebian-tools, hadn't see that before Oct 18 14:42:46 xzcvczx: i use it to build debian packages with distcc Oct 18 14:53:10 lindi-: gah unfortunately emsetup == fail for me Oct 18 14:56:19 xzcvczx: where's the bug report? Oct 18 14:59:20 xzcvcz: hi what is that Oct 18 15:04:12 lindi-: ah working now just req'd a apt-get update Oct 18 15:04:27 xiangfu: something i want to time on a newo Oct 18 15:04:32 neo* Oct 18 15:05:36 hence why it doesnt actually print anything out Oct 18 15:16:04 the greatest tragedy of my openmoko adventure is that I cannot get openmoocow to work Oct 18 15:19:27 root@om-gta02:~# alsamixer Oct 18 15:19:27 alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device Oct 18 15:19:28 ugh... Oct 18 15:19:38 duh, sorry, didn't watch Oct 18 15:19:53 sorry wrong channel Oct 18 15:20:32 hi, i'm try to boot from microSD with my neo1937 but i have this error: No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext2 cramfs romfs Oct 18 15:20:57 Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block... Oct 18 15:21:02 s/ext2/ext3 Oct 18 15:21:26 this means that are supported only ext3 cramfs or romfs filesystem ? Oct 18 15:21:33 thanks in advance for any replies Oct 18 15:28:05 xzcvczx: seems you comment the printf Oct 18 15:29:40 hallo Oct 18 15:30:47 ich wurde aus dem pennergame-chat gekickt und hab einfach mal den nchstbesten channel ausprobierz xD Oct 18 15:30:59 xzcvczx: i compile a new one for you with "include " and uncomment the printf lines Oct 18 15:31:54 wtf. Oct 18 15:32:40 Gromgull: you hvaen't installed all modules needed perhaps? Oct 18 15:34:40 raster: sent you another oneliner. Oct 18 15:36:32 lindi-: i've not touched the modules, this is default 2008.09 image Oct 18 15:36:35 i ran opkg upgrade though Oct 18 15:36:55 Gromgull: lsmod? Oct 18 15:37:02 Gromgull: zcat /proc/config.gz? Oct 18 15:37:04 no modules are loaded Oct 18 15:37:22 hmm... no modules? Oct 18 15:40:30 Hallo Oct 18 15:41:16 Hi Dave Oct 18 15:41:54 Dave: fried a Zire today yet? Oct 18 15:42:20 No! Oct 18 15:42:26 They're sitting next to me, being good :) Oct 18 15:42:52 Dave: did you put one in the mail for me? ;) Oct 18 15:43:05 xiangfu: lol, i don't need it to print anything out, hence why it was commented. Oct 18 15:43:19 xiangfu: just going to be using time ./blah to see how long it takes Oct 18 15:44:53 mickey|bbl, http://rafb.net/p/1yddpC62.html - could you have a quick look? power up antenna fails with a TIMEOUT (in frameworkd), not in dbus anymore.. Oct 18 15:45:00 Kensan :D Oct 18 15:45:22 time blah? Oct 18 15:46:18 quickdev: that looks pretty strange. are you using port forwarding by any chance? the contents is completely wrong / missing, looks like it's reading zero's from the ptys Oct 18 15:46:44 err wait Oct 18 15:46:46 that was event1 Oct 18 15:46:57 xzcvczx: hi here is the output of my gta02 --> root@om-gta02:~# time ./altitude Oct 18 15:46:57 pressure at 3000m is 100965.124462pascals Oct 18 15:46:57 reconvert to meters is 3012.182553m Oct 18 15:46:57 Command exited with non-zero status 36 Oct 18 15:46:57 real 0m 2.30s Oct 18 15:46:58 user 0m 2.25s Oct 18 15:47:00 sys 0m 0.01s Oct 18 15:47:11 quickdev: i can't see CFUN in your dump Oct 18 15:47:19 yeah, that's missing Oct 18 15:47:33 ok, so it doesn't even get so far Oct 18 15:47:37 let me dig further Oct 18 15:47:40 mickey|bbl, I get a sim auth status signal, but no response to set antenna power Oct 18 15:48:01 ah, here we are: Oct 18 15:48:10 2008.10.18 17:34:56 ogsmd INFO : HUP on socket, trying to recover Oct 18 15:48:18 for some reason the channel hangs up Oct 18 15:48:31 this is using port forwarding, right? Oct 18 15:48:36 yeah Oct 18 15:48:40 netcat and pty Oct 18 15:48:41 xiangfu: ah ok, my neo has just booted so i will be testing it on that in a minute Oct 18 15:48:43 yep Oct 18 15:48:50 that's the artefact i had as well Oct 18 15:48:58 now it would be great if you could look into that Oct 18 15:49:25 the recovering on HUP does not work, i know, but if it HUPs at all, then the problem lays in the lower level Oct 18 15:49:25 mickey|bbl: hey, just wondering whether an attempt at getting a static binary of gllin has been requested, i realise that it may be slightly bigger but it would avoid the need for the wrapper? Oct 18 15:49:49 mickey|bbl, we have to find why there are HUPs, right? Oct 18 15:49:53 xzcvczx: "getting" from where? Oct 18 15:49:55 quickdev: correct Oct 18 15:50:09 xzcvczx: we can no longer expect any support from Broadcom on that Oct 18 15:50:26 xzcvczx: I'd rather have someone looking into andrewzjs just-in-time OABI shim Oct 18 15:50:30 mickey|bbl: oh, ok Oct 18 15:50:48 * SpeedEvil wishes for a source leak. Oct 18 15:50:55 SpeedEvil: don't we all. Oct 18 15:51:14 Iphone uses the same one. Oct 18 15:52:21 it would be nice also as it means if you add a altimeter to the device you can get more accurate position data Oct 18 15:52:58 and so you can strap a neo/iphone onto the back of a missile :P Oct 18 15:53:58 You can't really do that, consumer GPSs shut down if acceleration or speed exceed certain limits. Oct 18 15:54:12 What!? Oct 18 15:54:29 Dave: ITAR limits Oct 18 15:54:39 Dave: cut out at 60000ft/1000kts (both) Oct 18 15:54:46 huh? Oct 18 15:54:50 That's one of the reasons why interface to GPS needs to be closed source, so you can't circumvent that. Oct 18 15:54:54 Dave: it's a missile. Oct 18 15:54:59 Dave: a munition rather Oct 18 15:55:00 What's a missile? Oct 18 15:55:04 Dave: a non-limited GPS Oct 18 15:55:08 Dave: in terms of US law. Oct 18 15:55:14 Fuck the US? Oct 18 15:55:35 Dave: indeed, why use their positioning system? Oct 18 15:55:35 Dave: right next to it in the legislation is kick motors for satellites that are useful for dropping satellites off orbit onto targets. Oct 18 15:55:52 mickey|bbl, http://rafb.net/p/3ZOBy121.html Oct 18 15:56:03 Goldeneye? Oct 18 15:56:05 gsm0710muxd[28606]: gsm0710muxd.c:569:pseudo_device_read(): Write to a channel which wasn't acked to be open. Oct 18 15:56:35 is gsmd black now? Oct 18 15:56:44 or is that a terrible pun? Oct 18 15:57:25 viq: i was commenting that if the source was leaked for gllin you could disable the limits Oct 18 15:57:32 Ah Oct 18 15:58:05 Yeah. And someone would get into a lot of trouble, I believe. Oct 18 15:58:10 quickdev: this is a muxing problem. Please talk to emdete for more details. Occasionally we see this on the device as well but after some chars, it works Oct 18 15:58:18 somehow it makes more problems when forwarding Oct 18 15:58:42 may this be the hup problem? Oct 18 15:58:55 might be related, but not exactly that Oct 18 15:58:58 viq: only if they got caught :P Oct 18 15:59:08 HUP is when the pty gets closed, right? Oct 18 15:59:19 viq: it's only actually a US treaty, which forbids exports Oct 18 15:59:20 and the muxer will never close a pty Oct 18 15:59:26 only when the client opens and closes the pty Oct 18 15:59:42 so i think the problem still is in the signalling Oct 18 15:59:46 * mwester observes that those who have the ability to launch something that travels that fast and that high almost certainly already has access to GPS devices without the limits. Oct 18 15:59:50 I do not like the T-Mobile G1 mobile shape design. And its software is not free software. Oct 18 16:00:06 mwester_: yeah i was acutally going to say that as well Oct 18 16:00:44 * mwester 's GTA01 just got a GPS fix sitting on his desk, on its back... perhaps the SD card clock *does* make a difference for the GTA01 as well. Oct 18 16:01:31 Mwester! Oct 18 16:01:34 mwester_: really, i saw someone ask that on the mailing lists but i havent seen any proof yet Oct 18 16:01:58 mwester: the difference between 'AND' and 'OR' is important to some. Oct 18 16:02:00 Yes, someone very important asked about that ;) Oct 18 16:02:09 mwester: you can launch a high altitude balloon cheap. Oct 18 16:02:17 Hooray! Oct 18 16:02:22 mwester: well under $100 Oct 18 16:02:23 Remember, Lawnchair Larry :) Oct 18 16:02:43 SpeedEvil: you show me a weather balloon that goes faster than 1000kts :P Oct 18 16:02:55 haha Oct 18 16:02:55 xzcvczx: many misimplement the limits. Oct 18 16:02:59 rockets? Oct 18 16:03:05 xzcvczx: and it cuts out at 60kft Oct 18 16:03:56 Amateur balloons often hit 30Km+ Oct 18 16:04:08 With assorted random cameras hung off them. Oct 18 16:04:15 mickey|bbl, damn, it's working fine now, I forgot to kill gsmmuxd on my neo when I rebooted Oct 18 16:04:19 And GPS, and RF beacons. Oct 18 16:04:41 quickdev: oops :) Oct 18 16:04:56 quickdev: ya, the modem will happily let you acquire tons of muxed channels Oct 18 16:05:04 only the first 4 will respond though :D Oct 18 16:05:10 i am surprised the cameras can still function at those sort of altitudes Oct 18 16:05:25 File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py", line 193, in _hup Oct 18 16:05:25 assert source == self.serial.fd, "HUP on bogus source" Oct 18 16:05:25 AssertionError: HUP on bogus source Oct 18 16:05:30 xzcvczx: -40C is probably more of a problem than the lack of atmosphere. Oct 18 16:05:44 SpeedEvil: yeah i did realise that Oct 18 16:05:50 mickey|bbl, I get that...but I don't know if that bugs functionality Oct 18 16:05:55 I'll test a few things Oct 18 16:06:02 -20 is most electronics minimum limit Oct 18 16:06:44 :O Oct 18 16:07:14 xzcvczx: minimum specified limit. Oct 18 16:07:25 xzcvczx: the electronics can rarely read the manual. Oct 18 16:07:30 quickdev: perhaps it's just the timing that's upsetting the modem or the muxer Oct 18 16:07:30 The amateur rocketry package I saw many years ago was completely encased in styrofoam packaging, and used the heat from the electronics onboard to keep the gear at a functioning temperature. Oct 18 16:07:41 i wouldnt want to push cmos sensors too far past that thought Oct 18 16:10:04 http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/#panoramas Oct 18 16:12:15 raster: the immage I built has some kernel issues on boot (bluetooth and sound related). Oct 18 16:12:55 who needs atmosphere anyway ?:D Oct 18 16:14:16 np: Russ Abbot - Atmosphere. Oct 18 16:15:57 anyone know how to jack up the volume on mic2? Oct 18 16:16:14 i've already turned the vol to 3 in gsmhandset.state, but it is still hella quiet Oct 18 16:16:51 * Dave shrugs Oct 18 16:16:55 alsamixer? Oct 18 16:17:31 SpeedEvil, do you know if that's legal? What if there's an airplane? :) Oct 18 16:17:45 any other settings which would improve the volume coming across the handset mic? Oct 18 16:18:07 Dave: alsamixer=<3 Oct 18 16:18:22 quickdev: if you live near an airport i would talk to ATC otherwise big amount of sky small amount of planes relatively speakinbg Oct 18 16:19:00 yeah, but there will be laws retricting the sky usage, hehe.. Oct 18 16:19:04 quickdev: the actual time it spends at normal altitudes is fairly small. No airplanes at 30Km. Oct 18 16:19:12 Well, now that the SR71 isn't flying. Oct 18 16:19:22 althought there is legally speaking restricted airspace above 13000feetish Oct 18 16:20:06 Yeah - it's usually legal to launch balloons - you generally need to talk to someone, and may need to drive a few miles. Oct 18 16:20:10 very interesting project..hehe Oct 18 16:20:54 FAQ: Even though the chance of collision is very small, there was an aluminium foil inside the capsule for radar reflection. Control towers should have been able to track it. As for legality, as far as I can tell, it's permitted for that weight without requirements to notify any authority. Oct 18 16:21:32 sicu: that particular sort of radar is not the main one used anymore. Oct 18 16:21:56 and would be doubtful it would work unless your were right beside the airport Oct 18 16:33:34 ~seen abraxa Oct 18 16:33:35 ~seen abraxa_ Oct 18 16:33:37 i haven't seen 'abraxa', mickey|bbl Oct 18 16:33:38 abraxa_ was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 45d 24m 48s ago, saying: 'thebishop: Well, there are no "variants" manufactured, so no variants to buy. You'd have to get a complete phone and toss the parts you don't want'. Oct 18 16:33:46 ~seen abraxa__ Oct 18 16:33:47 abraxa__ was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 109d 18h 25m 58s ago, saying: 'Ghiottone: I looked earlier but unfortunately I can only find the user manual that we already have :('. Oct 18 16:34:16 ~seen suprkiddo Oct 18 16:34:17 i haven't seen 'suprkiddo', mickey|bbl Oct 18 16:34:19 ~seen supr3kiddo Oct 18 16:34:20 i haven't seen 'supr3kiddo', mickey|bbl Oct 18 16:34:23 *sigh* Oct 18 16:34:29 all these weird nicks Oct 18 16:34:35 ~seen sup3kiddo Oct 18 16:34:36 mickey|bbl: i haven't seen 'sup3kiddo' Oct 18 16:34:37 ~seen sup3rkiddo Oct 18 16:34:38 sup3rkiddo was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 8d 13m 11s ago, saying: 'summatusmentis,'. Oct 18 16:38:32 mickey|bbl: theres no such thing as weird nicks Oct 18 16:43:15 mickey|bbl: oe's openmoko kernel is not really functional, especially f1201f2ad74e7f4b6715b9b609bf3be1d2e609fc seems to mess up audio and bluetooth :( Oct 18 16:44:04 that's a revision number of which SCM? Oct 18 16:44:19 * Kronk flashes back to FDOM on his Freerunner Oct 18 16:44:41 mickey|bbl: oe git Oct 18 16:45:15 mickey|bbl, http://rafb.net/p/TzdqK888.html - I killed my application and relaunched it....I didn't call release when killing....I understand the behaviour..but I should fail more gracefully? Oct 18 16:45:26 mickey|bbl: I don't quite understand koen's commit msg. Oct 18 16:46:25 mickey|bbl: on boot alsa says: "No soundcards found" bluetooth seems to work fine though. Oct 18 16:46:43 mickey|bbl: simply judging by the syslog. Oct 18 16:48:11 mickey|bbl: something else seems to be off to, since I get "jffs2_scan_inode_node() crc failed" messages. In the end the rootfs gets mounted RO. Oct 18 16:48:28 yeah Oct 18 16:48:29 ahoi Oct 18 16:48:31 i keep getting the same Oct 18 16:48:34 no idea what's going on there Oct 18 16:48:41 and no time to investigate unfortunately Oct 18 16:50:20 quickdev: yes, it should fail more gracefully. can you make a ticket please? Oct 18 16:50:25 need to run now Oct 18 16:51:00 mickey|dinner: right. Maybe I get some time to look into it... Oct 18 16:55:42 mwester: ping Oct 18 16:56:43 drazak :) Oct 18 17:03:40 anyone here has openmoko running under qemu? Oct 18 17:04:51 Kensan: was you the guy with the loud speaker yesterday? Oct 18 17:05:04 hah Oct 18 17:07:06 bipak: eh I don't think so. Oct 18 17:07:12 okay :> Oct 18 17:07:17 too many nicks.. .p Oct 18 17:07:27 bipak: there's only one Kensan Oct 18 17:07:29 *heh* Oct 18 17:07:36 lol Oct 18 17:08:14 thats obviously true Oct 18 17:08:27 tell that my brain Oct 18 17:09:14 or is there? Oct 18 17:09:45 lol :D Oct 18 17:09:54 brain make moko do what now? Oct 18 17:09:55 i think it was kensan2 Oct 18 17:10:01 brainmoko? Oct 18 17:10:14 mindmoko Oct 18 17:10:57 huh oO Oct 18 17:11:08 sense I make not! Oct 18 17:11:17 lol Oct 18 17:11:23 :D Oct 18 17:11:31 i think you read to much lines here Oct 18 17:11:31 :D Oct 18 17:12:12 make: don't know how to make sense. Stop in #openmoko Oct 18 17:12:13 haha Oct 18 17:12:20 viq :P Oct 18 17:12:21 aw Oct 18 17:12:34 :P Oct 18 17:12:58 Dave is just here to spice things up. His comments always aim at messing with our minds. Oct 18 17:13:01 be ware Oct 18 17:14:25 how do I take a screenshot in 2008.09? Oct 18 17:15:18 i think dave knows that Oct 18 17:15:18 :P Oct 18 17:16:58 ~_~ Oct 18 17:16:59 STOP DOING THAT! Oct 18 17:17:31 Gromgull: cat /dev/fb? > dump.raw Oct 18 17:17:34 Gromgull: use "import -window root snapshot.png" ? Oct 18 17:19:08 import from imagemagick? Oct 18 17:19:22 yep Oct 18 17:19:30 dunno if it works though Oct 18 17:19:32 not opkg gettable? Oct 18 17:19:41 aww Oct 18 17:20:57 Gromgull: gpe-scap Oct 18 17:23:08 thanks Kenzan! Oct 18 17:23:39 Kensan: pong Oct 18 17:24:15 mwester: have you built an linux-openmoko_2.6.24-git-r10 kernel lately in upstream oe? Oct 18 17:24:30 is anyone using SHR? Oct 18 17:24:32 I don't use oe kernels -- I build them, but don't flash them. Oct 18 17:24:43 :o Oct 18 17:24:49 you walk a fine line, mwester ;) Oct 18 17:25:10 mwester: defconfig-oe is borked. Oct 18 17:25:15 just_asking_a_qu: Ainulindale and sicu are Oct 18 17:25:21 SICU!? Oct 18 17:25:22 i can't ssh my SHR running freerunner Oct 18 17:25:29 Kensan: ;) every defconfig except mine is borked ;) Oct 18 17:25:40 mwester: hehe touché Oct 18 17:26:10 IMO we might as well have a random defconfig generator; it would be hard to have any more differences between all the distros and their kernels. Oct 18 17:26:15 What does it do wrong? Oct 18 17:26:25 * mwester thinks this might be an excuse to put it right Oct 18 17:26:55 mwester: bt and audio get builtin. oddly enough Alsa does not find a soundcard anymore. Oct 18 17:26:58 Mission statement generator! Oct 18 17:27:04 just_asking_a_qu: I tried it, but ran out of space on flash and time to try SD Oct 18 17:27:08 make randconfig, its all there Oct 18 17:27:31 mwester: then jffs2 crc errors which lead to rootfs being mounted RO. Oct 18 17:27:52 mwester: just build a kernel with om-defconfig -> looks ok. Oct 18 17:28:14 Kensan: good! :) I'll poke at it when I get FSO building again here, and make some other commits to rationalize it a bit. mickey|dinner can revert it if someone objects, but I doubt anyone will have any bit issues with a bit of cleanup. Oct 18 17:28:42 koen's commit msg says that the modules are builtin to workaround some toolchain brokenness. I don't quite understand though since oe is still a bit vodoo for me. Oct 18 17:29:00 A commit message? What the date/time stamp on that? Oct 18 17:29:07 mwester: gimme a sec Oct 18 17:29:24 mwester: f1201f2ad74e7f4b6715b9b609bf3be1d2e609fc Oct 18 17:29:36 mwester: Date: Fri Oct 17 13:39:06 2008 +0200 Oct 18 17:30:03 Ok, so very recent. Oct 18 17:30:04 mwester: maybe they fixed the toolchain issues in the meantime... Oct 18 17:30:35 I think that's bleed-through from when angstrom was going to get rid of OABI compat, perhaps. Oct 18 17:30:38 mwester: kernel compilation went through ok eventhough sound & bt were built as modules Oct 18 17:30:52 mwester: hm ok. Oct 18 17:30:58 I see no need for those to be modules, do you? Oct 18 17:31:12 mwester: btw, the defconfig also has some crap in it I think... Oct 18 17:31:39 You're building fso I presume? Oct 18 17:31:41 is anyone running SHR? Oct 18 17:31:44 mwester: is CONFIG_MACH_HXD8=y needed? Oct 18 17:31:50 Nope Oct 18 17:31:57 mwester: rasters illume-image Oct 18 17:32:03 Hello wurp Oct 18 17:32:21 Oh, I don't have that image in OE, I think. Oct 18 17:32:29 raster: so upstream oe which uses linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb Oct 18 17:32:31 Kensan, do you share your builds? Oct 18 17:32:55 KaZeR: well I can but they don't really work so I don't know who would be interested ;) Oct 18 17:33:07 ah.. if they don't work.. Oct 18 17:33:10 :) Oct 18 17:33:45 KaZeR: actually I can't share them that easily since my public server is still a couple weeks out. Oct 18 17:34:03 mwester: so upstream oe which uses linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb Oct 18 17:34:39 Yep. It'll take a bit to get the cross tools built for that. Oct 18 17:34:39 mwester: rasters stuff is located at http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe/ Oct 18 17:34:47 Ok. Oct 18 17:34:56 mwester: he has all the scripts there Oct 18 17:35:11 mwester: he's maintaining his local patches there. Somebody should get him commit access to oe... Oct 18 17:35:22 mwester: would make things easier imho Oct 18 17:36:36 mwester: where can I fand your kernel-configs? do you "maintain" one for gta02? Oct 18 17:38:03 * Dave checks mwester's "site" again Oct 18 17:39:51 Dave: care to share the url? Oct 18 17:40:14 Dave: nvm :) Oct 18 17:40:24 puppies! Oct 18 17:40:45 YES Oct 18 17:41:06 Kensan: They are always in /proc/config.gz (or whatever that location is), but here's a URL: http://pastebin.ca/1230321 Oct 18 17:41:07 i've read the networking section of the openmoko page and done everything it said, and i still can't ssh into the damn thing Oct 18 17:41:47 fucking irritating calypsos Oct 18 17:41:50 mwester: thanks Oct 18 17:41:56 np Oct 18 17:42:10 Mwester, no more kernel updates? :( Oct 18 17:42:44 Dave: Nope, I'm not excited about the latest patches on the stable branch. Oct 18 17:43:25 mickey|dinner: using the OM defconfig for gta02 instead of the defconfig-oe solved it for me. The toolchain breakage describe in the commit msg seems to be fixed now... Oct 18 17:43:43 mwester: why is that? Oct 18 17:43:48 "News flash! HUGE power savings for the FR!! Patch applied!!!" (fine print: "with this patch, not only may you experience the WSoD on resume, now you'll get that pleasure and joy when it merely blanks the screen!) Oct 18 17:44:28 mwester: ah that one... why did they slap that onto stable? Oct 18 17:44:56 Mwester :( Oct 18 17:45:15 bbl Oct 18 17:45:17 Depressing. Oct 18 17:45:35 Om had no business keeping that patch on stable as soon as that was reported -- it should have gone to a developer branch and been used to debug that Glamo problem more thoroughly. But instead it sits on stable... And Andy can't figure out why the release builds from Om and Oe don't pull the tip of his stable branch by default... ??!!! Oct 18 17:47:07 at least now a smaller bit of code than suspend/resume in general triggers the WSoD Oct 18 17:47:13 perhaps it can be debugged now... Oct 18 17:47:17 Why does my new image have no sound? Oct 18 17:47:22 and no kernel modules loaded... Oct 18 17:47:23 versus "oh there is some race condition that I can't figure out at all" Oct 18 17:47:24 hmm Oct 18 17:47:29 mwester: where can you follow the patches that go into the stable branch? Oct 18 17:48:08 oh hot Oct 18 17:48:17 I found a bunch of Hg Cells Oct 18 17:59:48 is sound compiled as a module or built in for 2008.08? Oct 18 17:59:55 09 Oct 18 17:59:56 i guess Oct 18 18:24:33 finally installing debian on my freerunner Oct 18 18:25:04 just_asking_a_qu: good idea! Oct 18 18:25:17 there is also #openmoko-debia Oct 18 18:25:18 n Oct 18 18:25:23 cool Oct 18 18:33:43 welcome artur_ Oct 18 18:33:46 and goodbye :) Oct 18 18:34:29 mwester: are you also seeing "connect(): no such file or directory" messages after init loads? Oct 18 19:05:25 hey guys, anyone had any luck disabling the power management stuff on the wireless card for the phone? Oct 18 19:49:53 i can't power on my phone. i just tried 3 different batteries Oct 18 19:50:15 i have no more batteries. what can i do now? Oct 18 19:56:35 you're phone won't turn on? Oct 18 20:00:10 yes Oct 18 20:02:04 tried just plugging it into the wall charger and praying? Oct 18 20:02:23 yeah tried that Oct 18 20:02:33 wait, sans battery? Oct 18 20:02:39 Have you tried holding down the the AUX button before pressing power? Oct 18 20:02:39 no, with the battery Oct 18 20:02:48 is this the dead battery question perchance? Oct 18 20:02:55 tis Oct 18 20:03:08 3 dead batteries simultaneously? Oct 18 20:03:28 aux then power works Oct 18 20:03:32 \0/ Oct 18 20:03:58 plug in the wall charger and just wait Oct 18 20:04:08 take battery out, put battery in £10 nokia from supermarket charge for a bit then swap or use battery from other device fully power up FR then while plug in swap the battery Oct 18 20:04:17 or do that Oct 18 20:05:19 I have had zero sucess with the plug it in and wait option, I suspect this is not compatable with the low level sw on shipping freerunners Oct 18 20:05:41 i really don't think it's just a dead battery, i keep 1 battery in the bag always. charged, for situations like this Oct 18 20:05:57 and the other one was already charged Oct 18 20:06:23 i could see the one in the phone being drained, but not both of the others Oct 18 20:06:30 there might be new versions available but i have not flashed anything lower level than the kernel here and plugging it in and leaving it for over two days does not work :( Oct 18 20:07:06 well aux -> power -> boot worked Oct 18 20:07:14 ozzloy: iirc if you remove the battery and leave it for x hours it will fully reset and do a clean wipe, the exact time is on the wiki Oct 18 20:07:37 the fr will reset itself? Oct 18 20:08:00 if it has zero power ie no battery in Oct 18 20:08:56 interesting. it booted into the qtopia extended image i had in there before Oct 18 20:09:07 hehe ok I'm almost done making a calendar for zhone, is there any special format that patches are supposed to be sent in? Oct 18 20:09:08 so i don't think that it reset itself Oct 18 20:09:12 that is all user state data will go, boot loader will still be in so you can still load new software Oct 18 20:09:39 ozzloy: the exact time is on the wiki somewhere, it is todo with clearing all data Oct 18 20:09:50 k Oct 18 20:09:54 unless I was reading about the gta01 Oct 18 20:10:07 I am getting very old :( Oct 18 20:17:46 i don't see it. but for now i'm just glad my fr booted cuz i needed to make some phone calls Oct 18 20:18:56 * rooly|away snickers Oct 18 20:50:59 where can I browse the code for om2008.x? Oct 18 20:51:56 can anyone play mp3 with qt extended 4.3? Oct 18 21:04:23 hey all Oct 18 21:05:26 hello! I was at Qtopia, and it looks like QTExtended has only been released for gta01, with gta still on Qtopia 4.3.3 -- is this correct? Oct 18 21:07:10 doh! nevermind...I see it just is at the top, and not in descending order with the rest Oct 18 22:39:35 mwester: ping Oct 19 00:31:44 Why is "events/0" using 1/3rd of my cpu? Oct 19 00:31:47 Hello. Oct 19 00:36:02 gmaxwell: it loves to spin and do pirouettes Oct 19 00:36:23 Seems rebooting it resolved the issue. :) Oct 19 00:37:39 its a known bug Oct 19 00:37:43 been around for many months Oct 19 00:42:10 raster, Thats really the answer I was looking for. Oct 19 01:36:23 Hello. Oct 19 01:36:31 I posted an article about the OpenMoko. :) Oct 19 01:37:12 Tetracomm: =] where? Oct 19 01:42:20 sicu: ON Digg. Oct 19 01:42:22 On. Oct 19 01:45:15 Tetracomm: URI? Oct 19 01:45:41 Tetracomm: URL? Oct 19 01:46:41 http://digg.com/gadgets/A_very_unique_and_competitive_mobile_device_was_released Oct 19 01:53:53 where can I find infos on how to make arch-independent i/opkg packages on my debian desktop? Oct 19 01:54:08 * davi is looking at it Oct 19 01:55:01 Tetracomm, The colors makes it hard to read http://www.kompulsa.com/cstnews.php#openmokorelease Oct 19 01:55:20 Ok, I just changed the colour. Oct 19 01:55:25 Were they too dark? Oct 19 01:55:31 davi Oct 19 01:56:22 The problem was not too dark but lack of contrast between font colors and background colors Oct 19 01:56:31 Tetracomm, ^ Oct 19 01:56:57 Ok. Oct 19 01:57:09 davi: Look again, I just changed the colours. Oct 19 01:57:26 http://www.kompulsa.com/cstnews.php#openmokorelease Oct 19 01:57:30 Same problem Oct 19 01:57:39 I get it white only Oct 19 01:57:44 when mouse is over Oct 19 01:58:03 Odd. :( Oct 19 01:58:04 openmoko: 03werner * r4724 10/developers/werner/pmu/ (. Makefile main.c pmu.c pmu.h): Utility to directly read/write PMU registers. Oct 19 01:58:12 Tetracomm, And such white has even poor contrast with the background Oct 19 01:58:20 Oh yes, it turns white. Oct 19 01:58:56 Maybe the easier solution could turn fonts black and background white, but Oct 19 01:59:12 perhaps you want a dark site Oct 19 01:59:40 If you want a dark site you should choose a font color _and dept_ which makes it easier to read Oct 19 02:00:02 Oct 19 02:00:12 For example, I do not like as http://gnuherds.org/ looks Oct 19 02:00:57 Ok. Oct 19 02:08:39 Are there any mobile devices that can sync with KDE/Kontact ? like syncing the to-do list, appointments, contact list, ... etc ? Oct 19 02:09:46 whether the device is running linux or not Oct 19 02:21:19 is there a separate channel for FSO development? Oct 19 02:34:24 paroneayea: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Infrastructure#IRC Oct 19 02:36:22 thanks zash! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 19 02:59:56 2008