**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 19 02:59:56 2008 Oct 19 03:23:10 is it really necessary to tar the contents of a jffs2 rootfs, just to un-tar it on the SD card? or would mount and cp -p as root work? Oct 19 03:24:53 It shouldn't be necessary to start with a jffs2 rootfs in the first place -- is there not a .tgz or tar.gz rootfs to download? Oct 19 03:25:54 But no, tar is not necessary -- you must, however, make sure that whatever environment and tool you use to copy can preserve things like dev nodes, IIRC. Oct 19 03:49:25 is the sim-card hot-swappable? Oct 19 03:49:47 hehe Oct 19 03:50:12 it is behind the battery Oct 19 03:50:22 i do know this Oct 19 03:50:37 however, the freerunner is capable of remaining turned on for extended periods with no battery Oct 19 03:50:47 you mean with power over usb and without battery? Oct 19 03:50:55 if'n it's plugged into a suitable power source Oct 19 03:51:19 but anyway Oct 19 03:51:23 is the sim card hot-swappable Oct 19 03:51:28 I think it is not, but am not sure. Oct 19 03:52:29 hot plug system have to take care to connect ground before other contacts Oct 19 03:53:30 You should give it a try Oct 19 03:53:39 i am Oct 19 03:53:55 btw...my phone's been giving me sporadic problems with reading the sim Oct 19 03:54:44 cleaned the sim? Oct 19 03:55:34 hmm, haven't tried that Oct 19 03:56:26 to obvious ;) Oct 19 03:56:32 +o Oct 19 03:56:35 meh...iunno Oct 19 03:56:49 i wouldn't expect dust to get in the way of something that's always touching Oct 19 03:57:03 corrosion. Oct 19 03:57:10 ... Oct 19 03:57:27 physical damage from being thrown against the wall in frustration? Oct 19 03:57:31 lol Oct 19 03:57:37 nah, i love my phone Oct 19 03:57:43 except when it stops suspending properly Oct 19 03:57:55 btw...gestures causes it to stop suspending properly Oct 19 03:58:07 Or maybe the sim card just grew as tired of the calypso as the rest of us Oct 19 03:58:33 okay...seriously...facebook chat plugin for pidgin is a tad bit annoying Oct 19 03:58:44 Yeah, it's gotten rather more broken in the past week than usual. Oct 19 03:59:06 rooly|away: s/book/palm.jpg/ Oct 19 03:59:07 * mwester doesn't know anything about this facebook stuff... Oct 19 04:00:00 and you don't need to Oct 19 04:00:34 facebook pidgin plugin is a bit crappy because it actually simulates a webbrowser Oct 19 04:00:42 it sends http requests Oct 19 04:00:44 hahawhat Oct 19 04:00:49 Nope, sure don't. I hear that facebook stuff is not for old farts like me. ;) Oct 19 04:01:00 there we go Oct 19 04:01:06 you can't write a facebook apps without registering them on the developer plugin Oct 19 04:01:07 actually...my mom is on facebook Oct 19 04:01:11 and having this key code or whatever they call it Oct 19 04:01:21 so they plugin basically uses the web interface to facebook Oct 19 04:01:29 yeah Oct 19 04:01:41 CVirus: something like that, but as an xmpp gateway i want Oct 19 04:01:42 the* Oct 19 04:01:47 but not for facebook Oct 19 04:02:00 zash: no clue Oct 19 04:02:13 facebook is for plp without privacy Oct 19 04:02:24 mwester: facebook as as social network is really good .. what bothers me is people abusing it Oct 19 04:02:29 * mwester watches his main linux system as it nears the end of 36 hours of non-stop builds... and wonders if an upgrade is in order. Oct 19 04:03:02 mwester: beowulf clusters compilingness Oct 19 04:03:05 +of Oct 19 04:03:09 CVirus: Yeah, there are all sorts of horror stories about it -- probably mostly overblown, but there's some truth to the concerns. Oct 19 04:03:15 I remember raster once came up with an innovative idea of integrating facebook with the freerunner to fetch the phone numbers of any one who calls you from their facebook profile Oct 19 04:03:26 so you no longer need to use the dialer to input phone numbers Oct 19 04:03:34 that would totally kick ass Oct 19 04:03:39 auto-add to contacts? Oct 19 04:03:52 true ... right after the anonymous number calls you Oct 19 04:04:02 that with s/facebook/the local white/yellow/whatever-pages/site Oct 19 04:04:16 the application which is supposed to be installed on your freerunner shall contact facebook and find this number among your friend and add it to your phone's contact list Oct 19 04:04:25 zash: Actually, I need to convince m y better half that I need a dual CPU motherboard with a pair of quad-core extreme CPUs (3.2GHz), and 8GB RAM. :-D Oct 19 04:04:39 mwester: gentoo ? Oct 19 04:05:00 fedora 9 currently Oct 19 04:05:09 I wonder why are you compiling though Oct 19 04:05:10 but I'm building OM, and OE stuff. Oct 19 04:05:21 ah i see Oct 19 04:05:42 I'm trying to catch back up after some significant changes, and a complete rebuild seemed in order. It's just painful. Oct 19 04:05:45 could someone modify qtopia a little to make it recognize 10 and 11 digit numbers as the same? Oct 19 04:05:56 It doesn't? Oct 19 04:06:00 it doesn't Oct 19 04:06:00 a friend has a bunch of ex supercomputer nodes Oct 19 04:06:35 Those will suck some kilowatts Oct 19 04:06:50 rooly|away: 4.4 or 4.3? Oct 19 04:07:12 the integrated qtopia/x11 asu image version Oct 19 04:07:27 Ah, ok. (based on 4.3) Oct 19 04:08:09 CVirus: why not? Oct 19 04:08:11 what is the difference between fso-testing and fso-unstable images? Oct 19 04:08:14 this is the cool bit of an open phone Oct 19 04:08:22 being able to extend the core phone software to do anythign u like Oct 19 04:08:25 it is a cool idea Oct 19 04:08:26 integrate into existing social networks Oct 19 04:08:28 oh no! it's raster! Oct 19 04:08:31 company ldap servers Oct 19 04:08:36 and so on Oct 19 04:08:36 raster: a few lines of python code would do the job Oct 19 04:08:51 that's the kind of software that should be written in python actually Oct 19 04:08:57 imho python's pwoer isnt in writign the phonebook app Oct 19 04:08:59 write it in c Oct 19 04:09:03 damn you Oct 19 04:09:07 but the pwoer is to make small 5-liners that do this kind of stuff Oct 19 04:09:20 hehe Oct 19 04:09:31 ie a small applet that gets executed onb every incoming call if the number is unknown Oct 19 04:09:43 and in the background can try and figure out how it is via other means Oct 19 04:09:51 exactly Oct 19 04:09:54 in c suhc an app would be 500 lines Oct 19 04:10:00 * mwester needs that for business use. Oct 19 04:10:05 as just he base setup costs of c are higher Oct 19 04:10:06 Python + FSO Oct 19 04:10:19 Seriously - that's where the funding for that would come from. Oct 19 04:10:19 but for large apps the base cost diminishes as the big app's infra takes over Oct 19 04:10:38 Write the tools as an integration with salesforce.com -- people will pay for is. Oct 19 04:10:43 s/is/it/ Oct 19 04:10:44 mwester meant: Write the tools as an integration with salesforce.com -- people will pay for it. Oct 19 04:10:45 mwester: yup Oct 19 04:10:56 guaranteed vertical market there Oct 19 04:11:09 If you write it correctly, it could easly be used for facebook too Oct 19 04:11:20 being able to "save" the audio for a call Oct 19 04:11:31 Ooh yeah! Oct 19 04:11:35 and at the ned of the call send a .ogg (low bitrate/quality) to your sales partner Oct 19 04:11:36 or manager Oct 19 04:11:51 Just upload it as an attachment to the customer record... Oct 19 04:11:59 little tiny extensiosn that link together networks, social networks company infra (email/ldap/whatever) and your phone Oct 19 04:12:01 when you find a wifi you can use. Oct 19 04:12:08 yup Oct 19 04:12:15 THATS the power of an open phone Oct 19 04:12:19 yep Oct 19 04:12:31 erm...also Oct 19 04:12:34 I just love brainstorming Oct 19 04:12:35 honestly the "make the hw specs open" and a lot of the other open stuff is a distraction Oct 19 04:12:35 the settings app Oct 19 04:12:37 exposure Oct 19 04:12:37 its cool Oct 19 04:12:40 and its a base to work on Oct 19 04:12:47 erm...why does it not like my wifi's? Oct 19 04:12:57 but the real shiny sparkly stuff that will make an open phone more than just a niche geek toy is this kind of stuff Oct 19 04:13:00 minor detail, rooly|away Oct 19 04:13:04 wifi is broken Oct 19 04:13:05 badly Oct 19 04:13:21 that will take open to the market and shopw that its much mroe than a wild nerd fantasy Oct 19 04:13:52 It'll show that RIM had the right idea, but their execution was totally wrong (proprietary) Oct 19 04:14:11 and that apple got closer, but their ego killed them. Oct 19 04:14:22 yup Oct 19 04:14:23 bingo Oct 19 04:14:31 and 1 manfuacturer or vendor Oct 19 04:14:32 like rim Oct 19 04:14:33 or appl Oct 19 04:14:37 and that Palm got really close, and nobody knows what exactly happened to Palm... :( Oct 19 04:14:41 CANt integrate to EVERY little system out there Oct 19 04:14:43 be it ldap Oct 19 04:14:47 or facebook Oct 19 04:14:50 or salesforce.com Oct 19 04:14:59 or name 500+ more data sources/sharing systems etc. Oct 19 04:15:09 google apps? Oct 19 04:15:11 u just cant cover the stuff in 1 place Oct 19 04:15:13 so.. make it open Oct 19 04:15:20 let others cover it themselves Oct 19 04:15:27 hehe Oct 19 04:15:30 poor palm Oct 19 04:15:42 rooly|away: out-google google? Oct 19 04:15:52 dude Oct 19 04:15:55 that would so totally rock Oct 19 04:16:19 ya know...people keep talking about the gta's eventually running android Oct 19 04:16:42 but is android foss? Oct 19 04:16:46 rooly|away: no Oct 19 04:16:55 "we're going to" Oct 19 04:17:02 so yeah. that would kinda hurt the "open" part of an open source phone Oct 19 04:17:03 it will be, i'm told. Oct 19 04:17:15 android is apache license iirc Oct 19 04:17:20 yeah, and duke nukem forever is expected 3rd quarter 09 Oct 19 04:17:27 ROFL Oct 19 04:17:28 bah Oct 19 04:17:35 rooly|away: gta02 is not an open source phone. it's a free phone. Oct 19 04:17:36 who wants to be sandboxed Oct 19 04:17:37 and use java Oct 19 04:18:39 we all love java Oct 19 04:18:41 yay! Oct 19 04:18:52 java is free now. Oct 19 04:18:56 yeah. no. my coffee tasted bad the other day Oct 19 04:19:02 but yeah, it is still odd. Oct 19 04:22:19 will kernel even be modifiable on android? Oct 19 04:22:30 nemik: most likley not Oct 19 04:22:42 I think I'm going back to gentoo Oct 19 04:23:17 why so? Oct 19 04:23:18 android gives freedom to telecos and such, not end users Oct 19 04:23:41 I heard there will be a "kill switch" in android... Oct 19 04:24:14 yea, they want to be able to recall some apps Oct 19 04:25:11 zash: once we have the source, under a free license, we can do something cool with it. Oct 19 04:25:49 anyone got the new feenec mozilla mobile working on the freerunner? Oct 19 04:25:56 err fennec Oct 19 04:25:58 or .. do something cool with openmoko .. now .. ... Oct 19 04:27:33 nemik: apparently Oct 19 04:27:45 zash: absolutely. there's no reason why we can't take some cool google work and put it into OM though Oct 19 04:28:57 mattl: :D i think it should be easier to make android apps work on openmoko than, like, the reverse Oct 19 04:29:16 heh. Oct 19 04:29:32 but iduno Oct 19 04:29:33 hola Oct 19 04:30:42 * raster ptoohey's at android Oct 19 04:30:52 i fart in your general direction Oct 19 04:30:52 anyone know if the Neo is going to be ready for consumers soon? :P *waves his wallet around over his non-developer-brainpan* Oct 19 04:31:06 jeffszusz: zero chance Oct 19 04:31:09 gha Oct 19 04:31:20 well maybe if u use the qtexetnded images Oct 19 04:31:28 and hope kernel and other hardrware/drvier bugs get solved Oct 19 04:31:37 Give that until Christmas, at the earliest Oct 19 04:31:53 Assuming the Glamo/resume problem is even solvable. Oct 19 04:32:00 what's february look like? (current phone contract with nonGSM company runs out on it's own then) Oct 19 04:32:01 tho a lot of people are holding out for an x based solution thats nicer to developers Oct 19 04:32:06 whch will take much longer Oct 19 04:32:21 jeffszusz: dicey Oct 19 04:32:30 hm Oct 19 04:32:41 my suggestion Oct 19 04:32:43 go to ebay Oct 19 04:32:53 nab yourself an old treo650 for about $150 Oct 19 04:32:58 u can get the "new" for that Oct 19 04:33:01 rusn palmos Oct 19 04:33:02 and works Oct 19 04:33:06 is reliable Oct 19 04:33:09 and cheap Oct 19 04:33:17 hm Oct 19 04:33:18 u can also boot linux on it for playtime Oct 19 04:33:30 and then wait for freeruner to stabilise Oct 19 04:33:34 if it isnt stable by feb Oct 19 04:33:40 u wont spend much $ Oct 19 04:33:49 and u will have a working phone unlocked for any network Oct 19 04:33:57 and if u get a fr later Oct 19 04:34:03 u have a toy to hack wioth and throw linux onto Oct 19 04:34:11 other than that the treo is quite nice Oct 19 04:34:38 I imagine it won't work on a 700p Treo, right? Oct 19 04:34:45 i was looking at the n95 or n96 or the sony ericsson xperia, if the Freerunner wasn't ready soon Oct 19 04:34:53 do you guys use the FR as your primary phone? Oct 19 04:34:54 as best i know Oct 19 04:35:01 650 is well under way for supoprt Oct 19 04:35:05 some suspend/resume stuff to fix Oct 19 04:35:19 and battery meter reading and it woudl be close to fr in functionality Oct 19 04:35:29 680 is almsot the same as 650 Oct 19 04:35:33 no idea beyond that tho Oct 19 04:35:38 zut Oct 19 04:35:53 nemik: i like to actually recieve calls. so no. :) Oct 19 04:36:09 need to let fso mature Oct 19 04:37:09 :( shame. i'm on the fence for trying one, but seems like i won't leave my ericsson for it Oct 19 04:40:57 well I have looked through man pages for cp and scp, and still not sure if either can preserve devnodes. I've got rootfs backed up to jffs2 files and want to mount-n-transfer Oct 19 04:42:22 nemik: basically if u want an extra toy to play with that may eventually be able to be your phone Oct 19 04:42:24 fr is good Oct 19 04:42:26 get it Oct 19 04:42:27 play Oct 19 04:42:29 have fun Oct 19 04:42:46 but i would not use it as your one and only phone Oct 19 04:42:56 its barely creeping up to that point righ tnow Oct 19 04:43:10 and i'td have to be solidly and well proven there before i would do that Oct 19 04:43:29 makes sense Oct 19 04:43:33 KenYoung: most (all?) the active develoeprs who've been working on the palm pdas and phones are in areas that don't have CDMA. IIRC 700p is CDMA phone? Oct 19 04:43:35 nemik it is my only phone, but I dont use the phone that much, and power mgmt is still not great Oct 19 04:43:51 Infoport: if you are doing this over a network, then tar is your best bet. Oct 19 04:43:54 BobOfDoom, Yes, it is CDMA. Oct 19 04:44:48 BobOfDoom, I'd be happy to run linux on my 700p even without phone functions. Oct 19 04:44:50 mwester I would either be using USB networking, or put the SD card into a usb-drive and plug into host Oct 19 04:46:28 Ok, if you put into a usb-drive, then see what happens if you use the -a options with cp, if yours has that. Also note that you'll have to copy as root, as only root can create dev nodes and preserve permissions on the host. Oct 19 04:46:51 That's primarily why most folks use tar files to do the copy/backups; it's just easier with perms. Oct 19 04:48:07 ok...SNL has gotten slow, I think it is time to reimage my SD boot Oct 19 04:49:12 does anybody know of a FREE method to open the OM CAD files? I have wanted to use Shapeways.com cheap 3D printing, and make a prototype back Oct 19 04:51:30 Infoport: http://www.osalt.com/autocad maybe one of those? Oct 19 04:51:53 fennec seems pretty good Oct 19 05:11:36 nemik do you know if any of those CAD programs handle ProE, STEP or IGES files? I wish to open the published CAD files from OM Oct 19 05:14:11 err...got to overcome the automount-with-nodev before transferring to the USBdrive Oct 19 05:14:13 no idea, sorry Oct 19 05:14:56 nemik well I will poke around on that site and see if it can tell me enough about the apps to find one. Thanks! Oct 19 05:15:05 no problem Oct 19 05:33:44 wow copying rootfs via a USBdrive (with SD inside) was so quick that I wasnt sure it had worked correctly Oct 19 05:34:34 sync Oct 19 05:58:12 hmm BRL-CAD seems to come for Linux as an archive full of .h files waiting to be compiled (plus my archive has an "unexpected EOF") Oct 19 05:59:48 I dont mind compiling, but I'd love for their wiki to tell me if it handles the right formats first (or give some compile instructions) Oct 19 06:20:12 grrr...BRL-CAD doesn't seem to be downloading well for me. anybody know of a free CAD program that can open a format given out by OM?(ie Pro/E, STEP, or IGES) Oct 19 06:32:09 Infoport: sadly, no and I've looked pretty hard Oct 19 06:32:45 I have an old student version of pro-e2000 that I use Oct 19 06:34:46 gurugentoo are you able to convert the ProE files into another format with it? I would love to have it (and so would the wiki) Oct 19 06:39:12 gurugentoo Shapeways.com is selling on-demand 3D printing, and has a sale on black for $0.97/cm3 through the 19th (today) but I havent been able to use the CAD files yet Oct 19 06:43:58 Infoport: the ekport options are very limited, though stl I believe is available Oct 19 06:44:09 er Oct 19 06:44:30 s/export/ekport/ Oct 19 06:45:06 yay for close together keys Oct 19 06:51:42 gurugentoo STL would be good, although the wiki is also hoping for DXF. I *think* I have seen STL supported by a free app though Oct 19 06:52:31 I'm not sure about exporting dxf...only 2-d as far as I know Oct 19 06:55:08 wow, I didn't realize how many parts there were inside Oct 19 06:56:16 gurugentoo Blender supports STL, so that would work! if you are able to export it, they would love it on the OM wiki, and I would love a copy too Oct 19 06:57:22 I'll take a look and see what I can come up with...I'm not sure this version will open the newer pro-e files but Oct 19 06:57:32 I'll try with the other formats Oct 19 06:58:37 ya, no-go on opening pro-e wildfire parts in proe2000i Oct 19 06:58:41 gurugentoo thanks! I'm more interested in the GTA02 files, but I'm sure others would appreciate the Neo files if you can Oct 19 07:07:12 gurugentoo well thanks for trying to convert the files...hopefully someone with a newer version will convert them at some point Oct 19 07:08:50 gurugentoo I wonder why OM hasn't converted the files to STL themselves-- surely they must have software that opens _their_ files Oct 19 07:17:47 Infoport: ah ok igs import works fine Oct 19 07:21:00 woah, some of these are really ocmplex Oct 19 07:21:05 complex Oct 19 07:27:05 gurugentoo *grin* I'll bet they are! probably makes using Shapeways.com a little beyond reach unless they are simplified, but it would be great to start with orig, exact specs from OM Oct 19 07:29:31 well I'm guessing you're not interested in the random internal pieces like the sim/microSD card holder I was looking at Oct 19 07:30:04 there are so many files that it's not immediately apparent which ones are the outer housing Oct 19 07:31:34 well I'm off... Oct 19 07:32:09 gurugentoo well, eventually I am interested in the whole thing, but yeah the back is what I was thinking of immediately Oct 19 07:32:54 gurugentoo do you think you would be able to export that to STL some time? Oct 19 07:35:02 gurugentoo if you can export them, and I'm not around, they'd love to host on openmoko.org Oct 19 08:22:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd00451a09fa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: move 'assert' to logger.warning, if unknown GSM number type found Oct 19 08:34:35 good morning Oct 19 08:50:45 when i boot from my uSD card, / is mounted ro, what did i do wrong? Oct 19 08:55:53 KaZeR: maybe you forgot to remount it rw? ;-) Oct 19 08:56:23 Does anyone know how I can make /dev/root appear? Oct 19 08:56:45 mount says it's mounted, i'd like to mount it again for backing it up Oct 19 08:57:28 i guess it's hidden by udev remounting /dev Oct 19 08:58:35 BobOfDoom, i did it via the terminal, otherwise ssh can't be started. but i'm using FDOM, and it should be done automatically Oct 19 08:58:47 i've also noticed a message about that at the early stage of boot Oct 19 08:59:19 there's a few possibilies Oct 19 08:59:33 1. you've got "ro" in your kernel command-line Oct 19 08:59:49 bad ro Oct 19 08:59:50 bad Oct 19 09:00:03 or in the fstab Oct 19 09:00:20 2. your partition is screwed and it's going ro to fsck Oct 19 09:00:31 3. your /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh is stuffed Oct 19 09:00:46 4. the world just hates you Oct 19 09:01:39 Gromgull: it'll be one of /dev/mtdblockX if you mean the flash partition Oct 19 09:02:11 /dev/mtdblock6 in fact Oct 19 09:02:13 thanks bob - I realised I could just use tar for backup now Oct 19 09:02:37 I just want to have a way to backtrack if applying the testing updates to stable 2008.09 really is as fatal as the say Oct 19 09:02:38 yeah, that's a better option, save messing with JFFS2.. which is a pain to mount Oct 19 09:02:50 (on a PC) Oct 19 09:03:01 yeah - I had fun with that yesterday Oct 19 09:03:08 it only took one kernel compile to make it work :) Oct 19 09:05:01 re Oct 19 09:08:57 thanks BobOfDoom & raster. i'll check that Oct 19 09:09:15 do you guys hate me? Oct 19 09:09:55 i wasn't any help Oct 19 09:10:21 i was just be sataler & waldorf Oct 19 09:10:34 err Oct 19 09:10:36 statler Oct 19 09:11:28 i was just trying to eliminate possibility #4 :) Oct 19 09:14:09 hi, any news about openmoko 2008.10? Oct 19 09:15:10 they have still 38 tickets open Oct 19 09:15:43 ah... and how many tickets closed? Oct 19 09:15:52 8 :( Oct 19 09:16:14 doh Oct 19 09:16:27 so we have to wait .... Oct 19 09:16:33 i think Oct 19 09:16:35 and about shr? news? Oct 19 09:17:07 they are approaching there first release Oct 19 09:17:26 ah... is there also a release day? Oct 19 09:17:30 not yet Oct 19 09:17:44 thanks for infos :P Oct 19 09:17:51 they has ask testers to test their images Oct 19 09:18:03 2 days ago Oct 19 09:18:24 and there are still enough work to do Oct 19 09:18:31 like make sending sms work Oct 19 09:19:10 ah... and the gui? how does it look like? Oct 19 09:19:29 same as ever Oct 19 09:19:42 the gui doesn't seem very nice Oct 19 09:19:52 e17+illume? Oct 19 09:19:57 yes Oct 19 09:20:03 with whatever it is that theme they like Oct 19 09:20:04 :) Oct 19 09:20:42 so what's new in shr? the dialer&the phone's part? Oct 19 09:20:50 ow, the global ui is the same as ever (only with to small icons), but the applications they made are also little basic Oct 19 09:20:53 (sorry for my bad english, I'm a student from Italy) Oct 19 09:21:13 a dialer and a message app Oct 19 09:21:21 -.-' Oct 19 09:21:33 * raster apologizes for his band english too Oct 19 09:21:54 I think we all speak bad english :p Oct 19 09:22:02 lol Oct 19 09:22:18 the only important thing is to understand... Oct 19 09:22:27 I agree Oct 19 09:22:41 thats the good thing with english Oct 19 09:22:43 even if its bad Oct 19 09:22:46 everyone understands Oct 19 09:22:51 before everyone speaks bad english Oct 19 09:22:53 and doesnt care Oct 19 09:22:54 :) Oct 19 09:23:10 yes, I agree... mmm but is there any news about boot time improvments? Oct 19 09:23:29 not that i've seen on any source Oct 19 09:24:05 I speed up debian and get serverx up in 22 seconds... but it is to improve... Oct 19 09:24:23 nice Oct 19 09:24:47 I'm one of the developer of http://telefoninux.projects.openmoko.org/ Oct 19 09:25:23 i thinjk boot speedusp havent been done Oct 19 09:25:29 more stability/workignness Oct 19 09:25:36 but why not use ibernate? Oct 19 09:25:38 aaah Oct 19 09:25:40 another one of u Oct 19 09:25:49 what? oO Oct 19 09:25:53 Sylar91: so basicly you're making another distro? Oct 19 09:26:02 hibernate reauires extra flahs space for saving Oct 19 09:26:06 yes :S Oct 19 09:26:09 and as such u cant RELY on there being an sd card Oct 19 09:26:18 so itsgeenerally a silly idea imho Oct 19 09:26:19 raster: it isn't a real problem... Oct 19 09:26:24 u never want to "boot anyway" Oct 19 09:26:30 once its stabel all u do is suspend (to ram) Oct 19 09:26:33 and unsuspend Oct 19 09:26:52 and the same problems with suspend to ram exist with hibernate to disk Oct 19 09:26:54 I think suspend to ram isn't the best idea... Oct 19 09:26:58 so until suspend to ram is 100% solid Oct 19 09:27:08 well it'd be better to zero-clock Oct 19 09:27:15 but thats further off - if ever Oct 19 09:27:28 Sylar91: i've your distro is stable and fast (and have lot's of apps like fdom), I will switch ;) Oct 19 09:27:28 hibernate is not an option Oct 19 09:27:34 mmm I've been looking at some OMAP presentations about zero clocking Oct 19 09:27:36 not for "power saving" Oct 19 09:27:36 really nice Oct 19 09:27:43 as u need gsm for example to be alive Oct 19 09:27:44 and rtc Oct 19 09:27:45 they can turn off the CPU without calling linux's suspend stuff Oct 19 09:27:49 lose all state Oct 19 09:27:49 as u have to wake up on interrupts Oct 19 09:27:53 and do it really fast Oct 19 09:27:55 and back on for the next tick Oct 19 09:27:56 like within a few ms Oct 19 09:28:09 BobOfDoom: i know. its awesome Oct 19 09:28:12 mmm I'll see Oct 19 09:28:16 BobOfDoom: its what we should get on the pxa Oct 19 09:28:31 BobOfDoom: as "best as possible" for the treo Oct 19 09:28:35 news about gta3? Oct 19 09:28:36 it frankly is the one-true power saving technique Oct 19 09:28:41 suspend to ram etc. is just an ugly hack Oct 19 09:29:07 yeah, I don't think there's anything stopping it from working on the PXA either, it's just gonna be a lot of effort to iron out all the driver issues Oct 19 09:30:39 BobOfDoom: yeah. i cant rememebr but i think standby is the mode we want Oct 19 09:31:00 but zero clock is just awesome Oct 19 09:31:07 asu just "dont care" about suspend/resume Oct 19 09:31:21 u just care abotu shutting down as many powersucking systems as u can whenever u can Oct 19 09:31:25 and dont poll stuff Oct 19 09:31:35 (or do it very infrequently) Oct 19 09:34:09 really all PCs should do it, desktops too Oct 19 09:34:25 "instant on" and save power whenever idle Oct 19 09:36:27 yup Oct 19 09:36:43 and kernels shoudl damn well lose that damn tick Oct 19 09:36:52 jiffies are for whimps Oct 19 09:39:04 sy btw. tell me more on telefonix Oct 19 09:39:09 what on earth are u trying to do? Oct 19 09:39:43 is it just fso on debian? Oct 19 09:44:14 raster: does debian on the freerunner have e17? Oct 19 09:44:21 no Oct 19 09:45:15 :( Oct 19 09:46:52 ask the debain port guys to make packages Oct 19 09:46:53 :) Oct 19 09:46:58 its all built and supported in OE Oct 19 09:47:46 e17 is not even in unstable on debian i386/amd64, only experimental... that might be it... Oct 19 09:48:06 tho i have to say Oct 19 09:48:13 i dont see the fascination of debian on fr Oct 19 09:48:17 its big and fat Oct 19 09:48:20 it doesnt fit on flash Oct 19 09:48:33 aksi the e packages ont contain packages for illuem as a module Oct 19 09:48:39 or the right config to make it work well Oct 19 09:49:36 yeah - so i will go for latest fso unstable and your illume.edj (they shoud be compatible) Oct 19 09:49:48 u will also need illume config Oct 19 09:49:54 (default config profile) Oct 19 09:50:12 i have been considering possibly merging illume int e's core tree Oct 19 09:50:16 not enabled by default Oct 19 09:50:22 but ship the illume config with e17 Oct 19 09:50:32 so all u need to do is flip to the illume profile and bingo Oct 19 09:50:43 can have e's default theme build an illume theme as well Oct 19 09:51:03 a a better merging of the 2 upstream Oct 19 09:52:20 although i like illume's new default theme by far more than e's desktop default theme Oct 19 09:52:55 illume's theme *IS* e's theme Oct 19 09:52:56 raster, the debian port guys say they are waiting for another illume snapshot to be released... Oct 19 09:53:06 the new b&w one that will be e's new default once its 100% feature complete Oct 19 09:53:12 i dont know why ... Oct 19 09:53:27 Gromgull: not sure why they have to wait for snaps Oct 19 09:53:31 but hey Oct 19 09:53:37 i'm in no hurry to support debian Oct 19 09:53:40 got code to write Oct 19 09:54:27 raster: ah good to hear that theme looks awesome Oct 19 09:55:05 i've been polishing opff some last small todo items for the theme to be complete Oct 19 09:55:46 raster are you going to do anything with your demo image or is it just there to show illume done right? Oct 19 09:55:49 hmm i should rebuild e17 too Oct 19 09:55:56 on my desktop Oct 19 09:56:46 dns53: i have added fsao back in Oct 19 09:56:49 but not zhone Oct 19 09:56:59 as its a bit intrusive and doesnt work well on on vga screens Oct 19 09:57:10 eventually i will profide dialler and sms editor Oct 19 09:57:12 and other apps Oct 19 09:57:21 alarm is there - tho doesnt work on wakeup from suspend Oct 19 09:57:31 bit by bit add things in Oct 19 09:57:39 i shoul have a notepad app easily done soon Oct 19 09:57:55 it looks fantastic so i'd be happy to use it once it is usable as a phone and i can run tango gps on it Oct 19 09:58:06 likely contacts will be last Oct 19 09:58:10 as its the more complex of them Oct 19 09:58:14 dialler is really easy Oct 19 09:58:23 (if its just entering a phone numebr to dial) Oct 19 09:58:30 handlign incoming calls is next easiest Oct 19 09:58:44 etc. Oct 19 09:59:09 dns53: using tangogps is easy to Oct 19 09:59:16 if fso is already installed Oct 19 09:59:32 just install tangogps and use fso-gpsd Oct 19 10:00:04 yeah i'll have to do that soon Oct 19 10:02:05 hmm e and illume + dialer,... + fso backend + roadmap or navit + stable = awesome Oct 19 10:02:17 bit by bit Oct 19 10:02:23 yeah Oct 19 10:02:24 i'm just working on the bits i know best first Oct 19 10:02:28 and polishing that turd Oct 19 10:02:41 FSO team is doing their stuff Oct 19 10:02:48 i hope om gets stability in hand Oct 19 10:03:03 mapping - havent thought of it Oct 19 10:03:10 there's a zillion map apps nowe Oct 19 10:03:12 now Oct 19 10:03:22 thats just added bonuses to me right now Oct 19 10:03:32 i might later do a nice media player Oct 19 10:03:37 as thats trivial to do with efl Oct 19 10:03:48 photo browser Oct 19 10:03:53 enjoy looks quite nice but an efl one would be nice too Oct 19 10:04:05 enjoy uses efl Oct 19 10:06:27 hmm - updating to 2008.08 testing makes the freerunner no longer boot :( Oct 19 10:06:31 it's stuck at "loading system" Oct 19 10:06:53 perhaps applying the testing packages wasn't such a good idea after all :) Oct 19 10:07:57 OM with working sleep/resume. increased battery life, working dialer, address book, sms and a volume control.... win Oct 19 10:08:27 raster: i thought guarana is not a part of the efl Oct 19 10:08:50 right now me ans gustave are a bit at odds on gurana vs elementary Oct 19 10:08:58 because hwe developed it closed to start with Oct 19 10:08:59 raster: i know Oct 19 10:09:05 at the same time as me doign elementary openly Oct 19 10:09:11 but he wants it to be used Oct 19 10:09:19 so either we split ala etk vs ewl Oct 19 10:09:20 or we merge Oct 19 10:09:27 he wants me to use grn Oct 19 10:09:34 * cjb_ie notes #openmoko has ten nicks in common with #osm (openstreetmap channel) on oftc. Oct 19 10:09:34 right nwo grn is not abale to do the things i need Oct 19 10:10:09 and i have a paying client that wants stuff Oct 19 10:10:28 and they want 3rd parties to depend on the elementary api Oct 19 10:10:41 so there will come a point where one will have mroe momentum than the other Oct 19 10:10:47 and the other will eithe r continu to compete Oct 19 10:10:49 or need to merge Oct 19 10:10:52 or give up Oct 19 10:11:01 i don't see the problem with elementary and guarana coexisting until the better one survives Oct 19 10:11:23 sure Oct 19 10:11:26 also different goals Oct 19 10:11:34 grn started as a set-top-box ui solution Oct 19 10:11:37 it won't be good to force a merge Oct 19 10:11:37 for tv screens Oct 19 10:11:39 and remote controls Oct 19 10:11:47 elm started for touchscreen ui's on phones Oct 19 10:11:51 ie tiny screens Oct 19 10:12:00 the good thing tho is Oct 19 10:12:02 unlike etk and ewl Oct 19 10:12:07 they both live on the same evas layer Oct 19 10:12:20 u literally shoudl be able to pack a gn widget into an elm container Oct 19 10:12:23 and vice-versa Oct 19 10:12:38 maybe the will need to co-exist Oct 19 10:12:48 and service 2 customer bases - ie evolution paths Oct 19 10:13:01 but they can happily coexist as we agree ont he same "boundary conditions" Oct 19 10:13:13 ie both use evas_objects as the base primitive Oct 19 10:13:38 use the same hints/parames in the same way (min/max size, align, weight - we currently agree on the same interpretations there) Oct 19 10:14:06 so i see currently no reason why in the near future u can put a grn combobox into an elm table Oct 19 10:14:18 or a elm clock widget into a grn layout Oct 19 10:14:19 etc. Oct 19 10:14:33 yeah that would be a good solution Oct 19 10:14:44 so u basically have 2 toyboxes to choose from Oct 19 10:14:46 u can use just one Oct 19 10:14:48 or just the other Oct 19 10:14:51 or mix and match Oct 19 10:14:57 depending on what u need Oct 19 10:15:20 raster: and is there a deadline given by swisscom until when they want to have a more or less usable image? Oct 19 10:15:38 hmmm kind of a bit fuzzy there Oct 19 10:15:44 but definitely withint ht next 4 months Oct 19 10:15:52 within the Oct 19 10:16:07 hmm sounds good Oct 19 10:16:27 my old phone sucks more every single day Oct 19 10:16:29 fixing up the illume image was also me just making a solid base for them to work on that at least 1. integrates with fso (all i did was comment out the fso packages that annoyed me for now) Oct 19 10:16:37 and i added elementary and the alarm app etc. Oct 19 10:16:41 and configured everything up nicely Oct 19 10:16:53 all swisscom will want in the end is likelyt their bubblekbd Oct 19 10:17:14 (its on a low priority list for me to fix that up to properly do the vkbd protocol stuff and do hints right etc.) Oct 19 10:17:22 and then do branding graphics stuff Oct 19 10:17:34 for me - i'm shipping the b&w look that is the new e17 look Oct 19 10:17:40 everything is b&w Oct 19 10:17:49 maybe with the odd splash of red Oct 19 10:20:08 i'm looking forward to it Oct 19 10:22:25 in the meantime you guys can write some cool apps for stuff Oct 19 10:22:34 theres tonnes of stuff that could be written Oct 19 10:34:47 todays testing image doesn't boot either... Oct 19 10:37:07 If I'm running FDOM and want to try pingus, I need newed sdl packages. Can I manually download them from testing/how likely it is to break my fdom? Upgrading to testing.. I've had some bad experiences about that :) Oct 19 10:40:46 i would manually download the sdl packages and only the sdl packages Oct 19 10:41:28 i'm trying to updage my NAND menu, but my save aren't stored on reboot (yes, i did saveenv :) ) can anyone tell me what's wrong? log : http://pastebin.com/m622b889d Oct 19 10:41:37 bumbl: yep, that's the plan.. Oct 19 10:42:22 ah - the broken boot is a known problem: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2071 Oct 19 10:43:12 yeah caused by wifi afaik Oct 19 10:47:20 hi Oct 19 10:47:55 the fix given on the ticket page works though Oct 19 10:48:02 editting the exquisite startup file Oct 19 10:52:06 and now it boots - but usb networking is broken Oct 19 10:53:22 Anyone know if ssh through wlan is disabled by default in FDOM? Oct 19 10:53:23 and the testing image doesn't even have the settings app Oct 19 10:53:31 so I cant join my wifi Oct 19 10:54:21 and I can't turn off suspend... Oct 19 10:54:24 this is a great experience :) Oct 19 11:00:23 Headlines designed to confuse. http://www.gallowaygazette.co.uk/latest-scottish-news/Hospitals-get-new-C-diff.4606675.jp Oct 19 11:04:38 Gromgull: you can turn off suspend by pressing the power button about 3 seconds Oct 19 11:05:08 Gromgull: in that menu what you get there, is powermanagement - disable Oct 19 11:05:27 doesn't pressing the power button trigger shutdown? Oct 19 11:06:34 Gromgull: pressing it LONG TIME does, short time will jsut standby it Oct 19 11:06:47 and inbetween will launch settings? Oct 19 11:06:52 ok, i'll try Oct 19 11:06:54 Gromgull: not if you don't press too long Oct 19 11:37:46 ulf: are you sure? I really cannot find the magic time between short click on powerbutton to suspend and long click to shutdown Oct 19 11:38:00 you say this will bring up a menu? Oct 19 11:38:10 why is there not settings application anymore anyway? Oct 19 11:41:52 Gromgull: what OS do you run on your openmoko? Oct 19 11:42:05 2008.09 testing Oct 19 11:42:07 Gromgull: Om2008.8? Oct 19 11:42:23 the bleeding edge Oct 19 11:42:27 Gromgull: hm, ok, and which revision do you have? Oct 19 11:42:47 sorry :) this info was in the initial questions... i installed testing, it has no settings app and usb networking doesn't work Oct 19 11:42:52 Gromgull: look for Revision at cat /proc/cpuinfo Oct 19 11:42:55 So I can't get access to it in any way Oct 19 11:43:06 hardware revision? v5... i guess Oct 19 11:43:22 i flashed the daily image testing image today Oct 19 11:44:20 hm, ok, i have the 2008.9 running but not the daily, so maybe there are some diffs there? Oct 19 11:45:06 i wanted something more up to date that testing, i tried updating with the testing repositories, but this failed Oct 19 11:45:12 i.e. the result wouldnt boto Oct 19 11:45:18 so I went to flashing the testing image Oct 19 11:45:20 Gromgull: if i press power for 3-4 sek i get a menu where i could choose poweroff or suspend and some other Oct 19 11:45:25 right Oct 19 11:45:31 here it just says shutdown Oct 19 11:45:34 immediately Oct 19 11:45:47 interessting Oct 19 11:46:12 so, that saves me time not to try the daily testing image Oct 19 11:46:15 but the real problem is that without settings to join a wifi network and without working usb, i can do nothing Oct 19 11:46:16 :) Oct 19 11:46:17 es Oct 19 11:46:17 yes Oct 19 11:47:30 Gromgull: hm, no wifi no usb, i would install new image on the micro sd and boot from there Oct 19 11:48:30 i have debian on the sd Oct 19 11:48:35 so this is fine Oct 19 11:48:41 then I can chroot into /mnt/flash and make it work Oct 19 11:48:42 i guess Oct 19 11:49:49 Gromgull: yes, that should work Oct 19 11:50:20 but this isn't the ideal way for new people to try the bleeding edge :) Oct 19 11:50:20 Gromgull: how is the debian image? does it work good, i mean everything working? Oct 19 11:50:34 yep - suspend works well, phone features ok Oct 19 11:50:37 no illume though Oct 19 11:50:41 so I have xfce Oct 19 11:50:42 which is nice Oct 19 11:50:47 it's like a mini-computer Oct 19 11:50:50 but not so much as a phone Oct 19 11:51:51 but standard phone apps work? like sms handling, making calls? Oct 19 11:52:10 i've not tried sms ... calls work well Oct 19 11:52:15 good audio quality actually Oct 19 11:52:20 good battery life as well - it seems Oct 19 11:52:26 zhone is quite limited though Oct 19 11:52:44 but I guess you can also install qtopia phone stack Oct 19 11:53:27 qtopica 4.3.3 i have on my sd Oct 19 11:55:19 the standard phone features work much better with qtopia but i don't know if there is a differnce to qtextendet Oct 19 11:57:06 it is an improvement Oct 19 12:12:59 hi Oct 19 12:14:01 exist a python module to work in bluetooth in openmoko ? Oct 19 12:14:37 talk about it with raster Oct 19 12:15:45 ok Hire Oct 19 12:16:11 * Hire invokes raster Oct 19 12:16:22 :-) Oct 19 12:17:21 I'd guess Mickey is the python-man Oct 19 12:18:46 and raster is the efl-man :) Oct 19 12:18:56 ah yem Oct 19 12:19:01 i have do a mistaken :\ Oct 19 12:19:23 akus join in #openmoko-cdevel Oct 19 12:19:49 ok Hire Oct 19 12:20:32 * Hire flashing FR Oct 19 12:23:37 akus u could use pretty much any language that has dbus bindings Oct 19 12:24:34 hmm - after rebooting in debian and chroot'ing to the testing image and installing terminal and settingsgui and then rebooting back into testing, it appears the problem is that the applications do not appear in teh launcher Oct 19 12:28:27 zedstar, where can i find some examples with bluetooth dbus ? Oct 19 12:28:54 akus google bluez python Oct 19 12:30:50 but http://wiki.bluez.org/ has code examples in python, c Oct 19 12:31:20 thanks zedstar Oct 19 12:31:22 ;-) Oct 19 12:31:25 * raster uninvokes himself Oct 19 12:32:16 sounds painful ;) Oct 19 12:32:47 hi Oct 19 12:34:41 i flashed my neo with neotool updating to om2008.9 rootfs, kernel (uImage correct?) and splash. now the kernel doesn't start up Oct 19 12:34:46 :( Oct 19 12:35:35 joan_: where did you put the uImage? Oct 19 12:36:04 hi, i tried to install new om2008.9 on my neo1973 but when i choice boot from microSd from my sd i see that kernel is loaded but then Oct 19 12:36:21 neo1937 reboot and start flash image 2007.11 Oct 19 12:36:36 where could be the problem? thanks in advance Oct 19 12:37:10 is there a way to start without splash and see log ? Oct 19 12:37:24 solved, i was booting the wrong image ;) Oct 19 12:38:10 hi all Oct 19 12:39:03 does anyone know how I can enable the sms button in zhone on debian and freerunner Oct 19 12:39:33 geaaru: did you delete the boot directory in the second partion on you sd? Oct 19 12:39:47 no Oct 19 12:40:31 geaaru: the uImage should just be found on the first partition Oct 19 12:41:10 k i will try. Oct 19 12:42:13 because it notifies me via audio when a new sms arrives but however there is no possibility to read it. Oct 19 12:43:16 Which version of Qtopia should i flash my phone with? Oct 19 12:43:18 4.4.3? Oct 19 12:43:24 4.3.3* Oct 19 12:43:37 4.4.1? Oct 19 12:43:41 7 Oct 19 12:43:46 raster: i see. Oct 19 12:48:20 ulf: i removed uImage from /boot directory of the second partition (with rootfs) but i have always some problem, i see bootloader that load kernel 2.6.24-.. but then openmoko restart and kernel is 2.6.22-... (with boot from nand) Oct 19 13:02:55 geaaru: hm, where do you put the uImage on partition 1? Oct 19 13:03:09 on root / Oct 19 13:03:26 ah ok, you have to put it in /boot Oct 19 13:03:38 but leave it also in / Oct 19 13:04:05 but kernel is loaded correctly... still from bootloader with ext2load, it is strange Oct 19 13:04:26 /sbin/init script check /boot directory when start? Oct 19 13:05:25 hm, i got i working with deleting /boot kompletly from the second partition and copied uImage.bin to /boot and / in the first partition Oct 19 13:07:10 +t Oct 19 13:07:24 s/kompletly/complete/ Oct 19 13:08:10 but uImage inside /boot directory is a link to /uImage or a file equals? Oct 19 13:08:58 i copied the file Oct 19 13:09:12 i didn't try with a link Oct 19 13:10:42 i try soon. Oct 19 13:13:20 doesn't work :'( Oct 19 13:14:48 geaaru: hm, maybe double check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia helps? Oct 19 13:24:15 I have about 150 contacts on my phone (a nokia N80) and i can send them all over bluetooth, but problem is the FR (with qtopia) seems to freeze up. anyone got any good ideas on how i can get them into my phone? Oct 19 13:24:29 My sim card is a bit ancient so it can only save like 50 of them :/ Oct 19 13:29:48 wtf Oct 19 13:29:56 I think i just accidentally deleted 50% of my contacts Oct 19 13:29:57 Yay me. Oct 19 13:43:29 so do i get i right that Qt Extended is the new Qtopia? Oct 19 13:43:47 yes Oct 19 13:44:38 argh Oct 19 13:44:41 qtopia is being stupid Oct 19 13:44:55 The pin keypad thing i get to press is tiny tiny up in the left ocrner :/ Oct 19 13:45:20 Tm_T: but Qtopia is still in development in parallel to Qt Extended right? Oct 19 13:45:30 ulf: no Oct 19 13:47:34 Tm_T: but here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 i find that "Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" Version: 4.3.3 is from 2008/10/16 and "Qt Extended flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" Version: 4.4.1 is from 2008/10/3 Oct 19 13:48:04 release date Oct 19 13:48:29 not related to development directly Oct 19 13:48:32 Great, my phone has gotten confused with time and I can't get it right. Oct 19 13:51:05 mwester_: ping Oct 19 13:51:10 hey, is there anythink new about using big (4GB Class 4) SDHC cards with freerunner? Oct 19 13:51:18 works fine Oct 19 13:51:34 SpeedEvil: for me no :P Oct 19 13:51:39 I personally have a 4G in my neo1973. Oct 19 13:51:45 Great. Oct 19 13:51:46 i have lot of mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command errors Oct 19 13:51:52 I know others have tried 4G in fr Oct 19 13:51:55 My phone just stripped every contact i have of norwegian characters >_< Oct 19 13:52:03 (æøå specifically) Oct 19 13:52:03 and kernel isn't able to read/write to my sd card Oct 19 13:52:07 UTF-8 much? :( Oct 19 13:52:08 *but* Oct 19 13:52:22 u-boot is able to boot kernel from sd card Oct 19 13:53:45 and sometimes when i'm trying to mount sd partitions, i have screen coruption (like when i'm doing cat some_file > /dev/fb0) Oct 19 13:53:46 so i think it's problem with glamo-mci stuff in kernel Oct 19 13:55:09 playing with sd clock kernel arguments doesn't help Oct 19 13:57:03 my card - Kingston 4GB Class 4 Oct 19 13:57:13 u-boots mmcinit returns http://hiciu.pastebin.pl/3015 Oct 19 14:01:12 Well, I can't crack this time problem )-: Oct 19 14:03:10 I've installed ntpclient, setup /etc/localtime to point to /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York date now tells me it's 10:02 but the today screen says it's 14:02 Oct 19 14:03:44 sounds like today screen is reporting UTC Oct 19 14:04:14 johngay: openmoko-today2? Oct 19 14:04:54 Originally, I never even set-up localtime, just set date, sync the hwclock and it just worked. But today it was an hour behind. Oct 19 14:05:01 2007.2 Oct 19 14:05:21 What ever version of today comes with that. Oct 19 14:05:34 johngay: i have the same problem Oct 19 14:05:40 openmoko-today2 is only in 2007.2 Oct 19 14:05:41 ;p Oct 19 14:06:08 I thought it was a screwed up daylight savings time setting, but now I've made it worse. Oct 19 14:06:24 i have Europe/Warsaw setted, but today is hour behind Oct 19 14:07:47 I know from LFS that /etc/sysconfig/clock is used to change from UTC or localtime hwclock, but my FR doesn't have this file and I don't want to screw things up more. Oct 19 14:08:36 BTW, I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane yesterday (-; Oct 19 14:09:03 http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3032tk8.jpg Oct 19 14:10:12 Cool Oct 19 14:10:18 * flexd_ wants to parachute Oct 19 14:10:21 johngay: hwclock --set --date=the date is the correct way to set the time on the rtc (or set the time with date then run hwclock --systohc) Oct 19 14:10:44 where "the date" is a date compatible string Oct 19 14:10:51 (see man date for the format) Oct 19 14:10:57 Is the next official image going to use Raster's e17 illume? Oct 19 14:11:35 emacsen: afaik no Oct 19 14:12:00 that's a huge shame. It's beautiful Oct 19 14:13:37 Elleo, I followed -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time but now today is 4 hours off? Oct 19 14:17:31 and you did the hwclock --systohc stage? Oct 19 14:18:03 Yes. Oct 19 14:18:15 dunno what to suggest then Oct 19 14:18:30 Now I have to go put qtopia back to make this POS usable Oct 19 14:18:59 It was only off by an hour before I changed /etc/localtime Oct 19 14:19:06 Elleo, johngay: hwclock and date have nothing to do with it Oct 19 14:19:23 afair it's bug in lubjana, which is used by openmoko-today2 Oct 19 14:19:27 libjana* Oct 19 14:19:33 johngay: what is the output of ´date´ ? Oct 19 14:20:27 Sun Oct 19 10:20:02 EDT 2008 Oct 19 14:22:39 (Given the timezone is correct)... what does it show after you set it correctly? Oct 19 14:23:20 That is the correct time, but the today screen is showing 14:20 Oct 19 14:23:55 for me: Oct 19 14:23:56 Sun Oct 19 16:23:48 CEST 2008 Oct 19 14:24:03 and today is showing 14:23 Oct 19 14:24:47 i said, this is bug in libjana/openmoko-today2, any other program handles timezone correctly Oct 19 14:25:44 I'm having problems getting networking to work with my FR and ubuntu. I've tried the howtos on the wiki, but I'm getting very inconsistent results Oct 19 14:26:09 ah, I thought I had timezone working, but I did not check that... Oct 19 14:26:26 Anyone got a root tarball of qtextended? I'd like to try it out, but I don't want to flash my phone until I know I'll like it. Oct 19 14:27:47 I often get "no route to host" when atrying to connect to my FR over UBS Oct 19 14:28:11 I've tried: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Oct 19 14:29:03 I have to do: "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add 192.168.0.202 usb0" each time after I disconnect the usb cable. Oct 19 14:29:32 (because I've been too lazy to automate it) Oct 19 14:29:34 I have to only setup /etc/network/interfaces Oct 19 14:31:38 "ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add 192.168.2.202 usb0" and then Oct 19 14:31:38 "ssh root@192.168.2.202" gives: "ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.202 port 22: No route to host" Oct 19 14:31:59 good afternoon Oct 19 14:32:15 I have a little problem with upgrading Om2008.9 Oct 19 14:32:27 Cervajz: hello Oct 19 14:32:58 dos1: with "# freerunner auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192 post-up /etc/network/freerunner start pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop" ? Oct 19 14:33:23 Cervajz: hi! but don't say "good morning" or "good afternoon" - for me it's 16:32 now, for johngay it's 10:32 now, etc. ;] Oct 19 14:33:51 dos1: Heh, I'm sorry, here is 16:35 Oct 19 14:34:10 ;) Oct 19 14:35:25 nikolajsheller: http://wklej.org/id/11557/ Oct 19 14:36:02 anyway, when I try upgrade something thru Installer, it ends with error : "gpg faiulre" Oct 19 14:36:09 I'm sorry for my English Oct 19 14:36:21 I think this is cosmetic Oct 19 14:36:24 Cervajz: my english is bad too, i'm from poland ;] Oct 19 14:36:50 Hello, i want to forward a port on my router to a virtual machine (running vmware in windows). Anyone know what i could try? The virtual machine is online with nat and uses the same connection as the windows-machine. Oct 19 14:36:53 Cervajz: openmoko repositiories aren't signed, it's normal if it displays on "opkg update" Oct 19 14:37:01 dos1: Nice, you're my neighbour (I'm from czech republic) Oct 19 14:37:34 nikolajsheller: I'm not so good with routing. I put mine on the same subnet as my lan (192.168.0.202) I'm not sure if you have to account for using 2.202 in some way. Oct 19 14:38:06 So I've tried opkg update and opkg upgrate, but there is error with dbus package Oct 19 14:38:15 ...maybe paste the routing table? (tho I'm not the one to tell good from bad) Oct 19 14:38:16 Soulnoob: ok? and you dont get routing problems with you lan? Oct 19 14:38:16 opkg upgrade* Oct 19 14:38:30 on 2008.08 - are kernel modules used for usb-ethernet and audio? Oct 19 14:38:32 Not yet, afaik. Oct 19 14:39:04 (Maybe if they are difficult to spot) Oct 19 14:40:10 Wait a moment please, I will post "output" Oct 19 14:41:00 nikolajsheller: hold on, I gotta try connecting to my old server and moko at the same time. Oct 19 14:43:32 nikolajsheller: I'm having two ssh sessions up now, so I guess not. Oct 19 14:43:53 I could not login tho, I have forgotten what password I used on it. Oct 19 14:43:55 :) Oct 19 14:43:55 Soulnoob: ok! good news. Thank you for checking! Oct 19 14:44:20 that a completely different issue :) Oct 19 14:47:43 has anybody tried booting openmoko on the ROKR E6 Oct 19 14:48:56 hello room Oct 19 14:49:13 hello venkat Oct 19 14:54:53 So there is the error message "after opkg -test upgrade": Oct 19 14:54:53 Collected errors: Oct 19 14:54:53 *Package=dbus-1, 3 matching providers Oct 19 14:54:53 *dbus Oct 19 14:54:53 *dbus Oct 19 14:54:54 *dbus Oct 19 14:54:56 Do you know, what it means? Oct 19 14:54:58 Thank you Oct 19 14:58:41 By the way, do you know what means "...return value: 17" (opkg install pidgin) Oct 19 15:05:43 OK. a reboot fixed my time problem. I seem to remember some obsolete O/S that needed rebooting regularly? Oct 19 15:08:01 Anyone got a root tarball of qtextended? I'd like to try it out, but I don't want to flash my phone until I know I'll like it. Oct 19 15:11:26 johngay, it's on the wiki Oct 19 15:11:53 oh sorry, root tarball... Oct 19 15:11:56 maybe not Oct 19 15:16:23 anyone know about anyone having a norwegian dictionary for the predictive keyboard in qtopia? Oct 19 15:18:52 look at this: http://alasal.be/openmoko/keyboard/ Oct 19 15:19:06 and info about installing; http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-howto-change-your-keyboard.html Oct 19 15:31:34 <[Rui]> hi, can someone with Om2008.9 or Om2008.8 do me a favor? Oct 19 15:31:53 <[Rui]> Basicall just paste to me in /priv the contents of each file in /etc/opkg/* Oct 19 15:31:57 <[Rui]> :) Oct 19 15:34:22 <[Rui]> nevermind, I found them somewhere else Oct 19 15:34:24 <[Rui]> thanks anyway Oct 19 15:44:42 raster: so what's the name of this b&w e17 theme? Oct 19 15:54:53 sicu: http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/ Oct 19 15:59:17 Kensan: thx =] Oct 19 16:03:56 uhuh Oct 19 16:03:59 Now the red led is glowing :( Oct 19 16:04:04 but why o_0 Oct 19 16:04:34 flexd_: is it blinking? Oct 19 16:04:37 no Oct 19 16:04:45 No blinking, it's just turned on Oct 19 16:04:49 have you usb cable connected? Oct 19 16:04:54 It's charging Oct 19 16:05:02 dos1: i have Oct 19 16:05:03 mwester: oh Oct 19 16:05:14 It wasnt lit up before when it was charing Oct 19 16:05:16 charging* Oct 19 16:05:35 flexd_: it's buggy Oct 19 16:05:36 ;) Oct 19 16:05:45 Standard Om-defined behavior -- kinda sums up everything we know about Om --- rather than use the LED by the power button to indicate charging state, they *DEMANDED* to use the red led behind the AUX button. Oct 19 16:05:48 now it stopped. Oct 19 16:05:52 But still charging Oct 19 16:06:06 :/ Oct 19 16:06:15 FSO does it right. Oct 19 16:06:21 Red indicates something is bad. Oct 19 16:06:33 That's what many folks tried to tell them. Oct 19 16:07:09 so what's the blue light then ... usb connected but not charging ? Oct 19 16:07:24 sicu: wireless/bluetooth Oct 19 16:07:25 and argh Oct 19 16:07:32 it keeps suspending even though i told it not to Oct 19 16:07:34 SSH dies then :/ Oct 19 16:07:46 blue light = fully charged Oct 19 16:08:23 mickeyl: thx, that makes more sense Oct 19 16:08:47 *nod* the AUX's button LED should be used to indicate missed events Oct 19 16:09:02 or app-custom things Oct 19 16:09:43 Surely, it has that name for a reason Oct 19 16:10:10 Red means something bad... in some parts of the world ;) Oct 19 16:10:46 Or that you got some lipstick on something ;) Oct 19 16:10:57 i'm using my leds in that way: Oct 19 16:11:26 blue - discharging; orange - charging; purple - wifi activity; red - nand flash using Oct 19 16:11:48 i want the AUX light to morse-code the whole text message upon received SMS, so that you wont have to activate the screen Oct 19 16:11:58 * mwester truely wonders if the person making these sorts of decisions at Om has ever really used any complicated hand-held electronics device before. Oct 19 16:12:18 * mwester notes sicu's request, and begins implementing it. Oct 19 16:12:20 sicu - so wrote app which do it ;) Oct 19 16:12:31 it will be easy to write Oct 19 16:12:43 mwester: i want the phone to just *work* Oct 19 16:13:07 mwester: surely that app will use fso framework? ;) Oct 19 16:13:09 I like the idea of a free (open) phone and everything, but at the moment i'm sort of gimped on time and i have no time/interest to develop anything Oct 19 16:13:11 dos1: no need to ... i have mwester to do all the coding to my every whim, no matter how crazy Oct 19 16:13:21 I'm like 5 steps away from selling my Fr and buying a iphone >_< Oct 19 16:13:30 or just a normal flip-flip 1$ phone Oct 19 16:13:52 flip-flop* Oct 19 16:14:04 flexd_: you tried qtexendet or qtopia Oct 19 16:14:05 * mwester wonders if he should mention to flexd_ that out of the last four Om devices auctioned off on eBay (US) only one actually got a single bid. Oct 19 16:14:20 Nokia SMS audio signaling: dididi dada dididi Oct 19 16:14:22 ulf: im using qtextended now Oct 19 16:14:26 mwester: >_< Oct 19 16:14:41 I'll just find a local person to buy it Oct 19 16:14:43 flexd_: and what's not working? Oct 19 16:15:15 flexd_: get a hop-on / hop1800 Oct 19 16:15:22 ulf: it's slow, it lags, it crashes, it freezes, it's a invisible maze to type messages, it crashes more, it suspends every 5 bloody seconds even though the settings are set to off. Oct 19 16:15:26 aka ... -- ... Oct 19 16:15:29 sicu: hm? Oct 19 16:15:35 flexd_: http://www.hop-on.com/pr_042888.html Oct 19 16:15:43 flexd_: so use qtopia 4.3 Oct 19 16:15:44 ;] Oct 19 16:15:57 hmm Oct 19 16:15:58 or 2007.2, if you have time to configure it once Oct 19 16:16:00 Or just a used iphone Oct 19 16:16:16 so why have you buyed freerunner? Oct 19 16:16:17 The beauty of an iphone is: They probably tested and developed this thing for 5 years before we even knew it was coming. Oct 19 16:16:30 dos1: because i like the idea of a free phone, developing my own applications and such Oct 19 16:16:37 that was a year ago, i have alot less time for such now. Oct 19 16:17:05 The bad thing about an iphone is that it costs a lung, is not open/free, has a big ass fanboy club i do not want to be a part of. Oct 19 16:17:13 there's also a much more complicated Morse code I didn't get to decode yet ;-) Oct 19 16:17:21 vs the Fr/openmoko having a great community, but stuff doesnt work much :P Oct 19 16:17:23 anyway bbl dinner. Oct 19 16:17:50 i think selling fr now isn't good idea Oct 19 16:18:05 DocScrutinizer: get decoding then ;] Oct 19 16:18:09 mwester: ping Oct 19 16:18:18 flexd_: start lending your FR to geeks on the condition that they must fix at least one bug every two months :) Oct 19 16:18:22 i would wait to using fso framework officialy by openmoko with tichy and parioli Oct 19 16:18:51 i've practically not used the FR at all Oct 19 16:19:10 I havent even taken off the original screen protector because it's not been in use, i could probably sell it for almost the same price i got it. Oct 19 16:19:35 mwester: are you also seeing a couple "connect(): no such file or directory" on bootup? Oct 19 16:19:42 Kensan: Usage: ping [-c count] [ -T timestamp option ] [ -Q tos ] [hop1 ...] destination Oct 19 16:19:45 flexd_: which uImage do you use, from where? Oct 19 16:19:50 sicu: i'd use 'morse' cmdline but I can't write the code down, or feed it directly to morse Oct 19 16:19:58 Kensan: where does one observe this? Oct 19 16:21:07 sicu: i'd expect it's "Nokia" though Oct 19 16:21:33 mwester: right after init starts. Oct 19 16:21:46 DocScrutinizer: why nokia ? Oct 19 16:21:51 I'll take a look more closely -- gotta run out for lunch right now. Oct 19 16:21:54 mwester: I guess some app is missing a socket or something like that. Oct 19 16:22:04 mwester: right, enjoy your meal :) Oct 19 16:36:51 Hi ho, does someone happen to know how to make Mac and FR usb connection to work each time? I mean, I've used FR on all three usb ports that I have, but now OS X doesn't seem to understand, that FR's connected Oct 19 16:46:28 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 16:46:32 Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 267080 Oct 19 16:46:39 is here somebody, who knows much about sd over glamo driver? Oct 19 16:47:01 why u-boot can read kernel from sd card (which is on first partition, 20MB FAT16), when kernel is unable to mount that partition? (error -110 and buffer I/O errors) Oct 19 16:50:05 dos1: kernel can read some blocks but not all? Oct 19 16:50:35 lindi-: no, it seems it can't read from card at all Oct 19 16:50:59 dos1: why does it start reading from block 267080? Oct 19 16:51:09 root@om-gta02:/# cat /dev/mmcblk0 Oct 19 16:51:09 cat: /dev/mmcblk0: Input/output error Oct 19 16:51:20 lindi-: i don't know - that are first errors Oct 19 16:51:34 dos1: it should read partition table first Oct 19 16:51:40 later it displays 1, 2, and some other blocks Oct 19 16:52:03 lindi-: it knows about /dev/mmcblk0p1, 2, 3 (which is extended) and 4 Oct 19 16:52:21 but it doesn't know about logical paritions on extended one Oct 19 16:52:34 and i'm unable to read any partition Oct 19 16:53:01 dos1: how can it know about those? Oct 19 16:54:23 root@om-gta02:~# ls /dev/mmcblk0* Oct 19 16:54:24 /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk0p3 /dev/mmcblk0p4 Oct 19 16:54:48 root@om-gta02:~# cat /dev/mmcblk0* Oct 19 16:54:48 cat: /dev/mmcblk0: Input/output error Oct 19 16:54:48 ... Oct 19 16:54:48 cat: /dev/mmcblk0p4: Input/output error Oct 19 16:54:49 dos1: udev? Oct 19 16:55:12 yes, on openmoko distros is udev ;p Oct 19 16:55:27 root@om-gta02:~# fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Oct 19 16:55:27 fdisk: cannot read from /dev/mmcblk0 Oct 19 16:55:28 dos1: ok so linux has successfully read at least one sector Oct 19 16:55:42 dos1: otherwise it would not know that you have those partitions Oct 19 16:56:29 after that commands, last dmesg lines are: Oct 19 16:56:30 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 Oct 19 16:56:30 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 16:56:30 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 Oct 19 16:56:30 Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 Oct 19 16:56:31 dos1: does cat /proc/partitions show the expected partitions? Oct 19 16:56:54 Kensan: 179 0 4018176 mmcblk0 Oct 19 16:56:55 179 1 24066 mmcblk0p1 Oct 19 16:56:55 179 2 1044225 mmcblk0p2 Oct 19 16:56:55 179 3 1 mmcblk0p3 Oct 19 16:56:55 179 4 128520 mmcblk0p4 Oct 19 16:57:09 (and mtdblock*) Oct 19 16:57:27 dos1: is the sd-card working correctly? Have you tested with your workstation/desktop? Oct 19 16:57:35 Kensan: yes Oct 19 16:57:41 it mount and has data on in Oct 19 16:57:42 it* Oct 19 16:58:04 hour ago i was listening music from it on laptop ;] Oct 19 16:58:31 (on freerunner card didn't work previously too) Oct 19 16:59:23 i was playing with glamo_mci kernel-line commands Oct 19 17:00:04 when i didn't do anything, kernel hadn't known about any partition on card Oct 19 17:00:47 when i turned down sd clock, it see partitions, but is unable to read from it Oct 19 17:01:19 sd_drive = 3 or 0, both won't work Oct 19 17:01:32 sd_idleclk = 1 or 0, both won't work Oct 19 17:02:19 what does "i was playing with glamo_mci kernel-line commands" mean? What did you do? Is it possible you corrupted the sd-card? please take it out and test with your laptop again. Oct 19 17:02:32 sd_max_clk = now i have 5000000, i was playing with it, but even 1 won't work Oct 19 17:02:46 Kensan: card is ok Oct 19 17:03:27 sd_post_power_clock = now i have 1000000, other values - the same as in sd_max_clk Oct 19 17:03:30 dos1: did you restore the kernel command line as before you changed it? Oct 19 17:03:58 sd_slow_ratio = 8, i didn't change it Oct 19 17:04:10 Kensan: i have old uboot-env, i can check Oct 19 17:04:16 dos1: does dmesg show anything unusual? Oct 19 17:04:26 many i/o errors Oct 19 17:04:52 well... Oct 19 17:07:38 sicu: echo '-.-. --- -. -. . -.-. - .. -. --. .--. . --- .--. .-.. .'| morse -d Oct 19 17:07:52 Nensan: with original u-boot env it powers down Oct 19 17:08:17 sicu: 6210 kurzmitteilungs-Signal "Ansteigend" Oct 19 17:08:45 sicu: so it's not "Nokia" obviously ;-) Oct 19 17:09:15 <_Bill_> DocScrutinizer: lol Oct 19 17:09:49 Nensan: glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci_set_ios: power down. Oct 19 17:09:49 mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card Oct 19 17:09:49 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci_set_ios: power down. Oct 19 17:09:55 _Bill_: I planned to do this for 7 years now ;-D Oct 19 17:09:58 and /dev/mmc* is gone :P Oct 19 17:10:48 now thanks to sicu and audacity I finally found out Oct 19 17:13:57 ulf: mwester's image? Oct 19 17:14:08 I got it today, off the page from the wiki Oct 19 17:21:54 How are the icons on the desktop updated? From /usr/share/applications/ to /home/root/.e/e/appshadow or what? (fso-unstable) Oct 19 17:22:51 After installing agpsui I get no icon and whant to fix that. Oct 19 17:24:23 yo Oct 19 17:24:50 phobie: /usr/share/applications/ Oct 19 17:25:12 anyone knows if 4.7µF instead of 5µF in a capacitator will be enough to fix the harmonic interference betwen gps and sdcard? Oct 19 17:25:44 yes the openmoko-agpsui.desktop file is there but not visible on the desktop Oct 19 17:26:23 phobie: so change icon/categories Oct 19 17:27:29 DocScrutinizer: haha, yeh, i was so much help ;p Oct 19 17:27:51 in some old kernel (from april) sd card doesn't work too, but framebuffer seems to be faster ;D Oct 19 17:28:19 sicu: you asked! :-) Oct 19 17:28:37 BUT Oct 19 17:28:59 some old kernel(TM) sees all partitions! Oct 19 17:29:17 even logical on extended one Oct 19 17:30:07 but it's unable to read from them too Oct 19 17:30:59 dos1: thanks the agpsui desktop was missing a category... Oct 19 17:32:20 phobie: so in thanks for me, make my sd card working with freerunner :D Oct 19 17:32:22 mwester: (morse) implementing looks like a script 3liner ;-) Oct 19 17:32:22 ^^ Oct 19 17:33:12 farnsworth? Oct 19 17:34:30 if some old kernel(TM) can see all partitions, there is a hope - it's software problem Oct 19 17:40:21 dos1: does it help if I pray? Oct 19 17:40:33 phobie: maybe Oct 19 17:40:35 ;] Oct 19 17:41:09 oh! Oct 19 17:41:12 dos1: can you share with us exactly what your entire command line looks like? Oct 19 17:41:31 with mwester kernel it reads from card! Oct 19 17:43:02 mwester_: now i'm using default arguments, but later i was using: Oct 19 17:43:42 s/later/previously Oct 19 17:43:43 ^^" Oct 19 17:43:44 bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot bootdelay=1 glamo_mci.sd_drive=0 glamo_mci.sd_idleclk=1 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=5000000 glamo_mci.sd_post_power_clock=1000000 Oct 19 17:44:24 mwester_: but now, with your kernel, all primary partitions work Oct 19 17:44:39 only logical on extended one aren't recognised Oct 19 17:45:31 Ok. I found a corner case when I implemented the slow clock stuff for the gta01; I was wondering if there might be the same issue with the glamo impl. -- but your command line won't trigger it. Oct 19 17:47:30 what is the command to lock the screen Oct 19 17:48:31 mwester_: now in dmesg are many i/o errors, but at least it reads primary partitions ;) Oct 19 17:48:42 and now i'm using default kernel command line Oct 19 17:48:55 root@om-gta02:/media# cat /proc/cmdline Oct 19 17:48:56 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) Oct 19 17:49:10 Ok, that's fine. Oct 19 17:49:19 What sort of I/O errors are you seeing? Oct 19 17:49:45 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 Oct 19 17:49:45 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122 Oct 19 17:49:45 mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command Oct 19 17:49:45 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 Oct 19 17:49:45 Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 Oct 19 17:50:28 many like that, but with other sector/block numbers Oct 19 17:50:41 or error code, like: Oct 19 17:50:41 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 Oct 19 17:50:41 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 17:51:15 What is error code 110 (from errno.h)? Oct 19 17:53:26 Also, can you scan back in the log and see what the last message regarding setting power and clock for the glamo-mci device was? Oct 19 17:53:39 $ gcc-e 'errno=110;perror("");' Oct 19 17:53:40 Connection timed out Oct 19 17:54:04 good trick, lindi- ! Oct 19 17:54:42 mwester_: http://wklej.org/id/11614/ Oct 19 17:56:21 mwester_: would you like to see more dmesg messages? Oct 19 17:56:22 ;) Oct 19 17:56:41 All normal. It's operating at 16.6 MHz, so it's past the slow-start and all. Oct 19 17:57:38 First thing to try would be to slow down the max clock, and verify that it is actually honoring the setting. Oct 19 17:58:24 so boot with the command line parameter to limit the speed to something really low: 250000 or so... Oct 19 17:59:17 mwester_: sd_max_clk? ok, i will try Oct 19 18:02:56 oh, 128MB swap is like fresh breath for 2007.2 :D Oct 19 18:03:47 Swap does help. Oct 19 18:07:55 now i can run opkg with all apps running :D previoulsy i must start X with only xinit, or stop X and do upgrade from ssh :x Oct 19 18:11:31 oh Oct 19 18:11:51 after some time screen blanked and in dmesg was many errors: Oct 19 18:12:15 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8021 Oct 19 18:12:15 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8121 Oct 19 18:12:15 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 18:12:15 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 7810212 Oct 19 18:12:15 Read-error on swap-device (179:0:7810220) Oct 19 18:14:49 mwester_: now it's i/o error again when i try to mount some partition Oct 19 18:15:08 root@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/cmdline Oct 19 18:15:08 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot bootdelay=1 glamo_mci.sd_idleclk=1 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=250000 quiet mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) Oct 19 18:15:20 i will try without sd_idleclk Oct 19 18:21:07 mwester_: root@om-gta02:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 Oct 19 18:21:07 /dev/mmcblk0p1: Input/output error Oct 19 18:21:07 mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock Oct 19 18:21:25 root@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/cmdline Oct 19 18:21:26 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=250000 quiet mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) Oct 19 18:22:07 i don't see sd clock in dmesg messages, because firsts are : Oct 19 18:22:13 and Oct 19 18:22:13 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2136645 Oct 19 18:22:13 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 Oct 19 18:22:13 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 18:22:13 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48195 Oct 19 18:22:13 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48197 Oct 19 18:22:15 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48199 Oct 19 18:22:17 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48201 Oct 19 18:22:19 (...) Oct 19 18:22:42 but Oct 19 18:23:05 sorry, i have it ;) Oct 19 18:23:55 SD power -> 3200mV Oct 19 18:23:55 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 0kHz div=255 (req: 0kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:23:55 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:23:55 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:23:55 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:23:56 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 Oct 19 18:23:58 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 Oct 19 18:24:00 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 Oct 19 18:24:02 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 Oct 19 18:24:04 mmc_set_power(power_mode=2, vdd=15 Oct 19 18:24:06 SD power -> 2700mV Oct 19 18:24:59 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:24:59 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:24:59 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 250kHz div=199 (req: 250kHz). Bus width=0 Oct 19 18:24:59 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 250kHz div=199 (req: 250kHz). Bus width=2 Oct 19 18:24:59 mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 0002 Oct 19 18:25:00 mmcblk0: mmc0:0002 SD4GB 4018176KiB Oct 19 18:25:02 mmcblk0:(...) p1 p2 p3 <<6> Oct 19 18:25:04 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8310 Oct 19 18:25:06 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 18:25:08 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2136640 Oct 19 18:25:10 Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 267080 Oct 19 18:25:12 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 Oct 19 18:25:14 mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command Oct 19 18:25:16 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2136640 Oct 19 18:25:18 Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 267080 Oct 19 18:25:20 > p4 Oct 19 18:25:22 oh, sorry, too much lines :x Oct 19 18:25:55 hehe, pastebin does spring to mind :p Oct 19 18:28:05 i know about pastebin (or wklej.org, polish equivalent), but it's my laziness ;) Oct 19 18:28:19 is perl likely to be included in to the rootfs? Oct 19 18:42:17 mwester_: i flashed orginall uboot-env again and it has screen corruption on starting again - like when it worked Oct 19 18:42:34 it's booting now Oct 19 18:43:20 but it isn't working... Oct 19 18:47:03 hmm, i'm wondering, why it sometimes works, and sometimes not Oct 19 18:47:13 with the same kernel and cmdline Oct 19 19:09:56 Hi. Is anyone using the FSO image regulary, and can tell me if I can mute it reliably? I.e. is it safe to use at the university, without having to turn it off during corses? Oct 19 19:10:43 I didn't know it had any facility to silence the device. Oct 19 19:11:38 mwester_: I thought the latest release had some preferences, but I’m not sure if they are functional. Also, somebody might have hacked something up. Oct 19 19:11:59 nomeata: you can mute it with the alsa-mixer Oct 19 19:12:41 they worked here is brief testing but not really used them in anger Oct 19 19:13:17 Flyser_: but won’t, upon an incoming call, these settings be overridden by the different alsa profile loaded? Oct 19 19:13:29 (or at least after the call?) Oct 19 19:13:47 afaik the profiles are not functional in ms3. maybe they work in fso-testing, I am not sure Oct 19 19:14:10 nomeata: I don't think so Oct 19 19:32:21 http://digg.com/gadgets/A_very_unique_and_competitive_mobile_device_was_released Oct 19 19:32:28 Digg it, please. :) Oct 19 19:33:24 mwester_: roughling feathers? ;) Oct 19 19:33:53 I hope so. Oct 19 19:35:02 I just wish those in charge of the active distros for the device (FSO, SHR, Qt Extended) would monitor the kernel list, and represent their interests as well as Sean does his super-secret distro. Oct 19 19:35:19 mwester_: super secret distro? Oct 19 19:35:25 Yeah. Oct 19 19:35:30 SSD Oct 19 19:35:31 ;> Oct 19 19:35:36 Unless you know what distro or company Sean works for? Oct 19 19:36:06 anyone got an idea how far from "stable phone" the software stack is atm ? Oct 19 19:36:18 2008.9 is good Oct 19 19:36:26 hasnt crashed for a while now Oct 19 19:36:37 mwester, I have a very nice setup on my Freerunner atm, I have raster's image with frameworkd and zhone, still not useable day to day but less so than the others Oct 19 19:36:41 FDOM is good (FDOM is about the same as 2008.9) Oct 19 19:37:06 mwester_: I have no idea. I don't actually know what Sean is doing. Need to read some more... Oct 19 19:37:23 the problem is I really think that 2007 made a better phone than the 2008 stuff does Oct 19 19:37:39 The last ABI change that slipped through, completely uncontested, was to change the meaning of the /sys node that indicates if bluetooth is powered up or not. I didn't make a fuss over that, because I couldn't believe that nobody cared that suddenly every existing distro would be wrong about if bt was powered or not. Oct 19 19:37:40 Tig|: it's all water under the bridge.. Oct 19 19:37:42 Tig|: i think that too Oct 19 19:37:43 cant say im too keen on 2008.9, very very very basic Oct 19 19:37:57 Kensan: openhand is still available Oct 19 19:38:21 i'm using 2007.2 Oct 19 19:38:26 im gonna try rasters image tonoight Oct 19 19:38:49 rasters image = fso with different look and feel Oct 19 19:38:57 how is the battery life with rasters image? Oct 19 19:39:11 Tig|: I was more hintig at, that OM made a complete turn-around to do other things instead of doing it right. 2007.2 was actually pretty close to usable minuse the stability issues. which they are planing to focus on now... a year later Oct 19 19:39:28 tbh I am shocked that OM really has not been amazing as it has had all of the right ingredients Oct 19 19:39:38 Kensan: agreed Oct 19 19:39:48 mwester_: it seems that fragmentation goes straight through om's office and everything else of course. Oct 19 19:39:54 Kensan: i have wrotten simple daemon, which spawns matchbox-window-manager when it crashes Oct 19 19:40:11 dos1: I am talking about stable gsm stuff. Oct 19 19:40:23 Kensan: oh, gsm stuff works stable to me Oct 19 19:40:31 dos1: lucky you. Oct 19 19:40:34 only openmoko-messages is too sloooow Oct 19 19:41:04 the day i use the sms app, i could read incomming messages Oct 19 19:41:11 2008.9 is much sexier Oct 19 19:41:17 Kensan: I think mickyl and the framework people have the right idea but openhand should have been left to carry on with the PIM suite Oct 19 19:41:28 as they are different areas Oct 19 19:41:48 i want 2007.2 software using fso framework... Oct 19 19:41:49 shr ;) Oct 19 19:41:59 Tig|: mickey is doing fine with fso and all but what's the rest of om doing? Oct 19 19:42:20 from a user perspective it is not apparent what progress has been made from 2007 and wtf are the OM people working on Oct 19 19:42:21 Tig|: gsm firmware, kernel issues etc Oct 19 19:42:38 Kensan: that is exactly what I was wondering Oct 19 19:44:00 the ASU / 2008 release was a mess and OM knew this. It is a bit odd that FRs are shipped with the 2007 image and then get to downgrade to a new image Oct 19 19:44:33 Tig|: imho the whole "let's port qt ontop of X with some e thrown into the mix" was a waste of time. Oct 19 19:44:37 2007.2 shipped image is bigger crap than 2008.8 Oct 19 19:44:48 i liked images from buildhost.openmoko.org Oct 19 19:45:03 Tig|: It had possibilities, they just didn't give raster the permissions he needed to make nifty Oct 19 19:45:15 Look at what he's doing on his own now Oct 19 19:45:34 (with help, of course, but still, hands untied and all that) Oct 19 19:45:43 Kensan: I think it was the idea that they could grab the qtopia pim stack that allured them unfortunatly it is crap for smartphones Oct 19 19:45:44 it was "management driven" so to speak ;) Oct 19 19:46:20 is there a page for raster's image? Oct 19 19:46:26 leinir: agreed I am running his image atm then bolting stuff on, it is wonderful Oct 19 19:46:43 Gromgull: rasterman.com Oct 19 19:46:49 there are linkys :) Oct 19 19:48:03 tbh after booting raster's image I was surprised, this chunk of plastic had suddenly been updated to 2008 Oct 19 19:49:03 Tig|: how smooth works raster's image on freerunner? Oct 19 19:50:00 works ok here, under heavy load I would be tempted to drop some of the rates down but this is an image for just testing stuff Oct 19 20:12:28 * jones boots rasters image Oct 19 20:13:11 * jones is impressed by the splash screen Oct 19 20:13:34 hmm Oct 19 20:13:59 jones: can you send me splash screen theme? Oct 19 20:14:42 jones: it will be in /usr/share/exquisite/data/themes/ Oct 19 20:16:17 dos1: cant see taht happening Oct 19 20:16:32 sorry, networking is an issue where i am Oct 19 20:16:44 jones: ok Oct 19 20:16:52 just grab it from the source Oct 19 20:17:37 i have slow connection so i want to download only splash theme Oct 19 20:19:00 the image is available as source files Oct 19 20:19:22 oh, so ok, i will look on it Oct 19 20:19:23 i think its either linked on rasterman.com Oct 19 20:19:25 its in svn Oct 19 20:20:57 agpsui has a connection to the gps but tangogps and gpspipe only shows failed nmea results Oct 19 20:21:03 is it just me or is the image empty? Oct 19 20:21:07 where is the problem? Oct 19 20:22:52 phobie: maybe in gpsd Oct 19 20:24:00 dos1: does tangogps not support fso-gpsd? Oct 19 20:24:09 it should Oct 19 20:26:44 so is there nothing in rasters-image Oct 19 20:29:09 jones: which url? Oct 19 20:29:44 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081012-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is ok... Oct 19 20:37:07 nah, i just expected more, that would be fine if life was simple... Oct 19 20:39:30 its a very nice image though Oct 19 20:40:37 phobie: i have the same issue with tangoGPS Oct 19 20:40:57 no problem getting a fix with agpsui though :/ Oct 19 20:41:09 hm Oct 19 20:41:26 there is no wireshark on the fr ;) Oct 19 20:44:18 in debian there is Oct 19 20:47:34 yes, but I think debian is too big for a smartphone Oct 19 20:50:08 I wrote a short python script to analyse the problem Oct 19 20:50:38 tangogps uses the fso-gpsd over tcp, bit the deamon sens bad nmea data Oct 19 20:59:50 How do I add a dir (where all my scripts are) to the path? Oct 19 21:00:20 (FDOM) Oct 19 21:00:20 export PATH=$PATH:/your/dir ? Oct 19 21:00:30 that's only for this session.. Oct 19 21:00:33 or check somewhere in /etc/profile or /etc/bash* ? Oct 19 21:00:40 hmm.. okay, thanks Oct 19 21:02:16 yep, /etc/profile has PATH defined, cool, thanks! Oct 19 21:02:43 phobie: what distro? Oct 19 21:03:24 Q: when my freerunner is powered of and I connect it to the charger, the AUX led blink four times slowly. Is there any significance to this ? Oct 19 21:03:41 yo Oct 19 21:04:33 again: anyone knows if a 4.7µF capacitator will be ok for fixing the interference betwen sdcard and gps ? (we dont have a 5µF staffed) Oct 19 21:05:42 ronny: is there a need for a hw fix? I'd like to see some comparison.. Oct 19 21:06:51 rhkfin: early freerunners have a harmonic interference betwen sdcard and gps - a capacitator put betwen the contacts for the sd card clock fixes i Oct 19 21:07:16 ronny: there are software fixes in place that make the hardware fix largely unnecessary. Oct 19 21:07:47 But if you wish (and have the ability to do the sort of soldering required), a 4.7 is plenty close enough to 5 to work. Oct 19 21:08:14 And I think it's picofarads, not microfarads, isnt' it? Oct 19 21:08:25 oh, ok, i might have confused ;P Oct 19 21:08:30 ronny: i second what mwester said.. Oct 19 21:08:56 well, we got a lab to do that stuff at the uni, and the lab-engineer wants to fix it for me Oct 19 21:09:03 he builds such stuff all the time Oct 19 21:09:04 sicu: it is because the agpsui directly accesses /dev/ttySAC1 but tangogps and gpspipe use the buggy fso-gpsd. Oct 19 21:10:04 sicu: fso-unstable 2008-10-08 Oct 19 21:10:18 phobie: ok, thanks Oct 19 21:10:22 ronny: I wrote a mail to the .. support list (community? not sure..) asking for comparing results with/without hw fix Oct 19 21:19:22 ronny: If he's qualified to do the work, and it will cost you nothing, then there seems to be no reason NOT to do the hardware modification! Oct 19 21:19:42 * mwester would do it in a moment, if he could solder such tiny contact. Oct 19 21:20:06 mwester: do you know if there's a significant improvement? Oct 19 21:20:26 I have no figures comparing it to the software fix. Oct 19 21:20:32 ok.. Oct 19 21:21:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO The commands listet first here, do they build a QEMU-file, or files i can flash to my freerunner ? Oct 19 21:23:05 mwester: alsi i think it will helpfull, i an a few others will do a presentation/discussion about openmoko/freerunner in our embedded systems lecture at the uni Oct 19 21:24:58 * Kero wonders when someone will comment on his FSO bug report... it's been sitting there for a week without... Oct 19 21:26:47 * rhkfin thinks that kero could link his bug report here to make some more people go there.. Oct 19 21:29:39 hehe. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/182 Oct 19 21:31:30 somehow, I do not expect many ppl suffer from it, or it would have been solved ages ago... Oct 19 21:43:35 have anyone tried gajim on freerunner? Oct 19 21:44:28 22:50:39 < phobie> tangogps uses the fso-gpsd over tcp, bit the deamon sens bad nmea data <-- could you sent me the relevant nmea sentences? Oct 19 21:48:02 is it possible to have navit and/or pidgin running in qt-extended? Oct 19 21:48:34 and are there things to consider when configuring gprs in qt-extended? Oct 19 21:52:18 anyone? Oct 19 21:52:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO The commands listet first here, do they build a QEMU-file, or files i can flash to my freerunner ? Oct 19 21:57:38 [x] flash to my freerunner Oct 19 22:08:17 How are you gentlemen? Oct 19 22:08:23 and raster Oct 19 22:17:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * ra8b0308debc7 10/src/zhone: Oct 19 22:17:36 freesmartphone.org: Catch up with new SMS API in zhone Oct 19 22:17:36 freesmartphone.org: This prevented zhone from actually sending the messages. Oct 19 22:31:32 hi. I'm using fdom but after some changes I can't hear anything when calling. Is there a way to restore the volume to its default values? pls Oct 19 22:32:26 . Oct 19 22:40:36 alsamixer Oct 19 22:46:05 ColdFyre ok but what value should I assign to what controls? Oct 19 22:46:36 iirc, the elvels were @ 79% Oct 19 22:46:39 levels,too Oct 19 22:58:19 heh, coldfyre Oct 19 22:58:54 * ColdFyre shrugs Oct 19 22:59:07 Hey Dave. You'll never guess what I got upto yesterday. Oct 19 23:00:46 your locked yourself in a zebra cage full of mimes? Oct 19 23:01:31 13,500 ft. One-way ticket. Oct 19 23:11:13 I heard that if enough of your Digg an OpenMoko article, it might get your article to the front page and get you many more customers. Oct 19 23:11:44 Anyone here done any work on tichy? Oct 19 23:12:03 I was trying to rewrite the keyboard to be querty but then there is a funny looking glitch with the button styles Oct 19 23:13:59 http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8e2ad4884d.png Oct 19 23:14:31 i've seen openmoko on digg before Oct 19 23:14:38 it never gained much ground Oct 19 23:14:40 the problem happens because to get the correct layout it required I had to resize the keys to 46 instead of 56 px Oct 19 23:14:53 (in the math for keyboard.py anyway) Oct 19 23:42:24 * Soulnoob has seen digg before... Oct 19 23:55:53 Anyone alive? Oct 19 23:57:31 . Oct 19 23:57:45 * techiem2-r is a zombie Oct 19 23:58:04 define alive Oct 20 00:02:09 * Kagee is not dead Oct 20 00:23:55 * mwester is most definitely not alive Oct 20 00:27:52 * ColdFyre pokes mwester for a new qtopia kernel Oct 20 00:28:17 * mwester suggests that might not be a good idea Oct 20 00:28:35 * ColdFyre asks why Oct 20 00:30:04 * mwester points out that some of the very recent changes for the kernel have resulted in some GTA02s exhibiting the WSoD when unblanking the display, rather than just on resume. Oct 20 00:30:56 * mwester then wonders if perhaps the decision of which kernel to run should be left to the end user to choose, and maybe just a cautionary note on the web page would suffice... Oct 20 00:31:21 * ColdFyre nods and goes off to get KFC Oct 20 00:35:09 hi fellow users Oct 20 00:53:46 So does Debian run okay on the FreeRunner? Oct 20 00:54:29 mhm Oct 20 00:55:36 what's the point anyway ? Oct 20 00:56:18 cuz you CAN Oct 20 00:56:33 and you get the nice debian repositories Oct 20 00:56:34 hehe Oct 20 00:56:44 I thought the point of having a distribution was to have relevant software Oct 20 00:56:47 just because you can doesnt mean you should Oct 20 00:56:55 I don't think debian (or gentoo or whatever ..) is relevant to the freerunner Oct 20 00:57:16 if it can take advantage of the hardware, it's relevant Oct 20 00:57:28 after all, it's just a small computer with a gps and gsm modem built in Oct 20 00:57:29 :) Oct 20 00:57:32 debian-arm cannot. at least, not the stock install Oct 20 00:57:49 you won't have x11+window manager tweaked for small screen for instance Oct 20 00:58:02 actually I'm running xfce on my debian install Oct 20 00:58:12 nor any useful applications to place calls, manage contacts ... all that kind of stuff that most people expect from a phone :) Oct 20 00:58:19 zhone is there Oct 20 00:58:24 you'll end up cross-compiling them some how Oct 20 00:58:26 given, it's light, but it's there Oct 20 00:59:02 I don't use debian much, just boot it once in a while to play with Oct 20 00:59:04 yeah, it's not the stock debian of course but those debian/fr guys have packaged the fso stack, such as it is Oct 20 00:59:07 and you *will* loose hairs, friends, and time doing all that Xcompile Oct 20 00:59:24 I haven't had to crosscompile anything... Oct 20 00:59:40 not yet. you'll end up having to at some point .. Oct 20 00:59:42 ref. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Oct 20 00:59:52 I've got the main stuff Oct 20 01:00:05 zhone, tango, gpsdrive, etc. Oct 20 01:00:25 I installed wesnoth but it doesn't scale down to the screen size so it wasn't usable Oct 20 01:00:28 lol Oct 20 01:00:59 unless you want to spend 3/4 of your game dragging the screen around Oct 20 01:00:59 lol Oct 20 01:01:07 yep Oct 20 01:01:23 I guess the folks handling wesnoth havent thought of the lo-fi displays Oct 20 01:01:28 lol Oct 20 01:01:29 probably not Oct 20 01:01:35 nethacks works fine on the shell though :) Oct 20 01:01:39 haha Oct 20 01:01:42 s/on/through/ Oct 20 01:01:42 w0 meant: nethacks works fine through the shell though :) Oct 20 01:01:51 wonderful bot Oct 20 01:01:53 :) Oct 20 01:02:44 I did manage to get furyband to compile on 2008.9, but for some reason the X version wouldn't run and when I ran it in shell on ssh the screen didn't render right Oct 20 01:02:49 will have to try in debian Oct 20 01:02:49 does anyone do MIDI-over-ethernet from the moko yet ? Oct 20 01:02:56 o.O Oct 20 01:03:13 a friend of mine got a nice little control app for the iphone ... allowing him to control stuff on his main music rig from the phone Oct 20 01:03:22 I want the same thing :) Oct 20 01:03:34 cool Oct 20 01:03:51 I got ReMoko working the other day Oct 20 01:03:54 what about remoko Oct 20 01:03:57 that's fun to play with Oct 20 01:04:13 ye, looks nice Oct 20 01:04:30 oddly enough it wouldn't connect to windows on hte same machine Oct 20 01:04:31 lol Oct 20 01:04:45 bt manager kept giving auth errors or some such oddity Oct 20 01:04:49 such is windows.... Oct 20 01:04:50 ow Oct 20 01:05:01 perhaps remoko could trigger some midi crap on the host Oct 20 01:05:21 do you know cheap, linux compatible, bluetooth usb dongles ? Oct 20 01:05:46 yeah, billion ones are pretty cheap Oct 20 01:06:11 so noname crap for nothing should be supported Oct 20 01:06:14 good to know Oct 20 01:06:19 lol Oct 20 01:06:28 yeah, hehe Oct 20 01:06:40 i've just bought the cheapest i could find Oct 20 01:06:45 I wonder if the remoko UI is easily customizable Oct 20 01:06:45 dlink and billion Oct 20 01:06:48 both worked Oct 20 01:07:35 its written in python Oct 20 01:07:46 Why am i in openmoko? Oct 20 01:07:58 What is this channel about? Oct 20 01:08:15 Why are you in the universe? Oct 20 01:08:30 what is the universe about ? Oct 20 01:08:34 si-m1: nice Oct 20 01:09:03 I gotta try out a bt headset sometime Oct 20 01:09:28 have someone tryed these bt keyboards ? Oct 20 01:09:36 probably Oct 20 01:09:36 hehe Oct 20 01:09:37 I found a reference to it a while ago Oct 20 01:09:50 that would be nice too Oct 20 01:09:57 cept BT keyboards tend to be $$ Oct 20 01:09:59 and now I don't know what to chase. I'm willing to get one. stylus is painful for shell usage Oct 20 01:10:12 can always hook up a usb kb Oct 20 01:10:20 yeahhh ? Oct 20 01:10:38 uhm would be funny to walk around in the city with my usb keyboard.. Oct 20 01:10:54 I have a rolly one Oct 20 01:10:55 hehe Oct 20 01:10:59 rolly ? Oct 20 01:11:07 rubber rollup type Oct 20 01:11:08 hehe Oct 20 01:11:19 it was like $10 at Staples so I grabbed it Oct 20 01:11:44 http://www.onehandedkeyboard.com/imagesfolder/halfsmall.JPG Oct 20 01:11:47 nice and small one Oct 20 01:11:53 he he Oct 20 01:12:14 cool Oct 20 01:12:47 I have to check this. brb Oct 20 01:12:48 looks like it would take some getting used to though Oct 20 01:12:58 yeah Oct 20 01:13:11 supposedly you can learn to type almost as fast as with a normal one Oct 20 01:13:26 nice Oct 20 01:13:36 except for special characters i suppose Oct 20 01:13:53 mhm Oct 20 01:25:31 can anyone help me with GPRS? Oct 20 02:33:26 hahaha Oct 20 02:33:27 hello all! how is the QTextended DNS setup? is this the same issue witrh resolvconf that 2008.8 had? Oct 20 02:33:34 the qtopia dictionary has linux in it Oct 20 02:37:03 Qtopia used to do DNS/networking ok, but QTextended seems to need more help Oct 20 02:40:06 lpotter, are you here? Oct 20 02:50:31 grrr...the 2008.8 instructions don't work with Qtopia/QTextended Oct 20 02:53:15 anybody flashed with QTextended and had to fix networking to reach websites? Oct 20 02:58:05 Infoport: works fine for me with the USB connection Oct 20 02:58:19 Infoport: I haven't tested over wifi or gprs Oct 20 02:58:52 just have to scp /etc/resolv.conf root@freerunner:/etc/resolv.conf ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 20 02:59:57 2008