**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 24 02:59:57 2008 Oct 24 03:06:27 Dave: yeh ... i never manage to leave :/ Oct 24 03:06:37 i'm a sad git Oct 24 03:06:55 :D Oct 24 03:06:59 haha Oct 24 03:07:06 git ci sicu Oct 24 03:07:29 poor sicu :] Oct 24 03:07:51 :p Oct 24 03:08:04 apt: sicu is a git Oct 24 03:08:05 okay, sicu Oct 24 03:08:14 *shrugs* Oct 24 03:08:18 ~sicu Oct 24 03:08:19 well, sicu is a git Oct 24 03:10:19 ~dave Oct 24 03:10:20 i guess dave is mtnman Oct 24 03:10:39 * mwester was expecting something else Oct 24 03:10:55 me too :/ Oct 24 03:11:57 ~dave Oct 24 03:11:58 from memory, dave is the renowned inventor of the FR-clapper Oct 24 03:12:12 now that's better Oct 24 03:15:11 ~raster Oct 24 03:15:12 i guess raster is a seppo Oct 24 03:16:20 apt: no, raster is smooth as silk Oct 24 03:16:22 okay, BobOfDoom Oct 24 03:20:20 haha Oct 24 03:29:41 opkg install gspd Oct 24 03:29:51 haha Oct 24 03:30:35 sh: command not found: opkg Oct 24 03:31:57 Well, we know what slaxxin is doing... Oct 24 03:32:57 heh Oct 24 03:32:59 :) Oct 24 03:33:03 lol Oct 24 03:33:12 im slaxxin Oct 24 03:36:11 Try to make it more like lastest Raster Image like Oct 24 03:37:15 good luck? Oct 24 03:37:44 mokomake keeps dieing on me Oct 24 03:38:13 think this time it was gtk+fastscaling stuff Oct 24 03:39:03 * Sonicadvance1 uses magical powers of necromancy to bring mokomake back from the dead Oct 24 03:39:36 Whatcha mokomakin' Oct 24 03:39:44 hey whatdya know i googled gtk+fastscaling and up pops a bunch of previous chatter about openmoko failures Oct 24 03:39:55 i'm not alone! Oct 24 03:40:11 mokomake me some dinner! Oct 24 03:40:35 Can't. Oct 24 03:40:44 stove won't wake from suspend. Oct 24 03:42:11 :( Oct 24 03:42:14 sadness Oct 24 04:02:40 hmm Oct 24 04:03:50 maybe it needs a new uboot Oct 24 04:13:15 mwester: BWHAHAHAHHAHA! ok ok. THAT is a bad example. i agree. things like that make me want to vomit. :) it all depends on if you choose good api's. if you do and the api's are consistent - then you end up with quite a nice thing :) Oct 24 04:13:39 BobOfDoom: i am summoned. Oct 24 04:13:40 :) Oct 24 04:24:56 :D Oct 24 04:25:17 hmm Oct 24 04:26:28 what would u think of an sms app that displays smss with a particular persona s a speechy-bubble conversation? Oct 24 04:27:38 kind of like skype on windows Oct 24 04:27:39 ? Oct 24 04:27:58 http://emptyfield.com/blog/uploaded_images/Picture-2-777989.png Oct 24 04:27:59 like that Oct 24 04:28:40 hmm, ya that's kind of cool Oct 24 04:29:23 maybe add the option of adding a photo for each person? Oct 24 04:29:46 http://www.cellphonedigest.net/images/Mundu-combined.jpg Oct 24 04:29:47 there Oct 24 04:29:49 more examples Oct 24 04:29:55 but basically u get a list of text blocs Oct 24 04:30:01 in order of time/date Oct 24 04:30:05 and depending who it's from Oct 24 04:30:13 (one you sent or from someone else) Oct 24 04:30:20 your bubble may have a different point Oct 24 04:30:21 and yes Oct 24 04:30:27 option of a small photo/image for person Oct 24 04:30:33 and name/tme&date Oct 24 04:30:58 http://bp3.blogger.com/_1gnEMxvAzWI/SB7MR2rsZ2I/AAAAAAAAB5c/J3c1yLCLMhU/s320/SMS.jpg Oct 24 04:30:59 that Oct 24 04:31:05 basically what iphone did Oct 24 04:31:36 i like the idea Oct 24 04:31:42 i just wonder if tis a bit too kitchy Oct 24 04:32:23 I think you should have the option to switch to an irc-like chat view as well Oct 24 04:32:36 thats preetty much what it is Oct 24 04:32:46 just with pretty bubbles around each perso's line fo text Oct 24 04:32:47 :) Oct 24 04:33:18 cool Oct 24 04:33:52 but the q is.. Oct 24 04:33:55 is it really good Oct 24 04:34:07 i am thinkign that for sms stuff this is the best way to do it Oct 24 04:34:15 now to figure out how to get unlimmited sms with a pre-paid plan Oct 24 04:34:16 so list ALL sms's u recieved/sent Oct 24 04:34:22 all mixed ans sorted by time/date Oct 24 04:34:34 so a full record of everything u said, to who and what they said back Oct 24 04:34:39 and just have filter modes Oct 24 04:34:50 to "only show conversation with this persion" Oct 24 04:34:55 or "only show this person" Oct 24 04:34:58 or "this message" Oct 24 04:34:58 etc. Oct 24 04:35:09 i THINK this is the best way Oct 24 04:35:11 but... not sure Oct 24 04:35:29 a bit like the gmail conversations idea Oct 24 04:35:35 yes Oct 24 04:39:00 i'm flashing your e/illume image btw Oct 24 04:39:01 basically this impacts how i do my anchorview Oct 24 04:39:07 yay Oct 24 04:39:12 tho u wont have the 3 button controls Oct 24 04:39:16 i havent made an image with that Oct 24 04:39:26 much nicer than list of windows+home Oct 24 04:39:29 hmm meh Oct 24 04:40:59 http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg] Oct 24 04:41:00 http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg Oct 24 04:41:02 that one Oct 24 04:41:09 with the blakc boxes at the top Oct 24 04:41:16 with home/close etc. icons Oct 24 04:41:38 anybody fixed the wifi yet Oct 24 04:42:34 wow, have enough devices to test on? Oct 24 04:43:03 rooly|away: my wifi is still screwy lol, so not that I know of Oct 24 04:43:40 sometimes is works fine, but I usually have to reboot to get it ro reconnect Oct 24 04:44:28 I need more time to tinker Oct 24 04:45:32 grun no. i need more homies for my gang Oct 24 04:45:40 :) Oct 24 04:46:30 * mwester suggests an N800 Oct 24 04:47:08 rooly|away: I rebooted my WRT54G yesterday, it should be fine. Oct 24 04:47:14 mwester: already in my gang Oct 24 04:47:17 :) Oct 24 04:47:38 ooooh Oct 24 04:50:03 mwester: it has 2.6.x? Oct 24 04:51:59 Probably not, dd-wrt Oct 24 04:53:01 Or, if you meant the n800, Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Sep 2 10:13:14 EEST 2008 armv6l Oct 24 04:53:51 there a known good 2.6.25+ kernel tree for N8x0 out there somewhere? Oct 24 04:56:57 Kensan: pong Oct 24 05:06:12 hey spyre! Oct 24 05:07:38 Dave: hi Oct 24 05:07:50 :) Oct 24 05:09:25 I saw you were talking about gsmd2.. I just made a long overdue commit to it yesterday Oct 24 05:09:49 but fso api is most likely already been updated and I'm late again :) Oct 24 05:11:27 spyre: how well does gsmd2 work? Oct 24 05:11:35 at least as well as gsmd of old? Oct 24 05:12:48 raster: I also like the new keyboard Oct 24 05:12:58 raster: better than gsmd imho.. allthough now that I've been reassigned to different work project and am updating gsmd2 in my spare time without gsm modem (read: freerunner/neo), there might be some clitches :) Oct 24 05:13:03 hur thats illume's kbd Oct 24 05:13:14 it does have some issue - i dont deny, but its relatively usable Oct 24 05:13:29 spyre: gsmd2 has been "abandoned" Oct 24 05:13:34 or it's just considered to be "Done" Oct 24 05:13:35 ? Oct 24 05:13:52 or "obsoleted by frameworkd" Oct 24 05:13:53 ? Oct 24 05:14:25 basically frameworkd is causing much pain and i'm keen to find an alternative - but i'd liek to keep the fso api. (dbus) Oct 24 05:14:32 raster: it's development is just slowed down since earlier it's development was my day job.. now it's development is just a hobby Oct 24 05:14:50 and since I dont' have a lot of free time, I've been waiting for fso api to stabilize Oct 24 05:14:51 any reason it ceased being a day job? Oct 24 05:15:15 or just was able to be a day job to give it a burst Oct 24 05:15:19 then off to things that pay money Oct 24 05:15:25 and let it "do its job" ? Oct 24 05:16:21 it was my first project at Ixonos and now I've been reassigned (though I'd rather be doing gsmd2) Oct 24 05:16:31 aaah Oct 24 05:16:42 just wondering why u were put on it Oct 24 05:16:44 then taken off Oct 24 05:16:45 thats all Oct 24 05:16:46 eg Oct 24 05:16:58 project abandoned as it was seen as "worthless" Oct 24 05:17:01 or some reason Oct 24 05:17:46 raster: no nothing like that.. its more that paying projects are priorized :) Oct 24 05:18:10 sure Oct 24 05:18:10 allthough they were thinking of keeping me working on gsmd2 till the end of this year Oct 24 05:18:14 msakes perfect sense Oct 24 05:18:33 from the top of your head Oct 24 05:18:38 whats its mem foorptint? Oct 24 05:18:50 but if people keep using gsmd2 and find bugs I'll be happy to fix them.. and when fso api stabilizes for a while again, I'll update gsmd2 to match with it Oct 24 05:19:04 i probably should just build it Oct 24 05:19:08 yep :) Oct 24 05:19:13 ./freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb Oct 24 05:19:15 thats the bb? Oct 24 05:19:32 i might be happy to help Oct 24 05:19:34 not right now Oct 24 05:19:37 but in a few weeks Oct 24 05:19:41 I cant actually remember what that is :) Oct 24 05:20:02 yup Oct 24 05:20:03 thats you Oct 24 05:20:10 AUTHOR = "Ixonos Team" Oct 24 05:20:16 you should put your name there at least! Oct 24 05:20:26 spyre@inxonos :) Oct 24 05:20:38 My name's in the source code :) Oct 24 05:20:38 SRC_URI = "${FREESMARTPHONE_GIT}/gsmd2.git;protocol=git;branch=master" Oct 24 05:20:45 thats where u keep the up-to-date git tree? Oct 24 05:21:06 I actually didn't make that bitbake file, it was made by hepaajan_ Oct 24 05:21:14 yep Oct 24 05:21:44 aaah ok Oct 24 05:21:50 cool Oct 24 05:22:01 i'll pump out a package and see if it makes my treo650 any happier Oct 24 05:22:08 because frameworkd does not Oct 24 05:22:10 :( Oct 24 05:22:32 arghhh, i'm going nuts. :( how do you suspend FSO? :( Oct 24 05:22:37 raster: most likely you'll be needing a plugin for treo's gsm modem Oct 24 05:23:28 raster: the basic set of at commands is so limited that we've been creating plugins for different vendors (and their extended at ocmmand sets) but I think hepaajan_'s last commit on gsmd2 was to make everything work with the basic command set Oct 24 05:23:41 spyre: i'm happy to try the one for the calypso for now Oct 24 05:23:49 especially observing when calls are disconnected is quite troublesome with basic at commands Oct 24 05:24:09 i'm sure it's nasty Oct 24 05:24:20 with every gsm modem having their own variation/take on it Oct 24 05:24:25 but need to start somewhere Oct 24 05:24:28 yep.. and no standard :) Oct 24 05:25:15 i'm more worried that on my treo i literally run out of ram - or almost, just with frameworkd Oct 24 05:25:18 and a gui Oct 24 05:25:19 basically the basic at command set just says OK when the other end disconnects..but also every command also replies with OK ;) Oct 24 05:25:24 no dialler or apps running Oct 24 05:25:31 startup is immensely slower Oct 24 05:25:31 heheh :) Oct 24 05:26:00 so u need to listen for an "unsolicited" ok Oct 24 05:26:08 one u were nto expecting Oct 24 05:26:54 but if you send a command while calling someone, you have no idea if the command was ok or if you got disconnected Oct 24 05:27:43 yup Oct 24 05:27:50 so u need a timeout Oct 24 05:28:10 oh Oct 24 05:28:19 u disallow gsm commands while on a call (the simple solution) Oct 24 05:28:34 or Oct 24 05:28:35 i would actually go for the latter Oct 24 05:28:44 as basically the modem has defined an operational limitation Oct 24 05:28:47 thanks to its "api" Oct 24 05:30:03 yeah, it'll probably break on the treo's modem Oct 24 05:30:10 treo's modem is a bit weird Oct 24 05:30:19 it won't respond to anything much in CFUN=0 mode Oct 24 05:30:24 what's new? :) Oct 24 05:30:30 and it likes to spout MRDY* crap at you Oct 24 05:30:33 it's not having fun Oct 24 05:30:34 thats why Oct 24 05:30:48 and some times it does \n\r instead of \r\n Oct 24 05:30:51 to ebnd lines Oct 24 05:30:58 does it always send \n? Oct 24 05:31:02 yep Oct 24 05:31:12 so can just strip \r Oct 24 05:31:12 then just ignore \r's Oct 24 05:31:14 yup Oct 24 05:31:30 CFUN=99 is better Oct 24 05:31:31 more c fun Oct 24 05:31:32 :) Oct 24 05:31:39 but it should be pretty easy to mod gsmd2 to work Oct 24 05:31:56 yup Oct 24 05:32:13 * mwester wonders if there is any way to intercept the comms between PalmOS and the GSM to help sort out the best way to do things. Oct 24 05:32:45 mwester: yeah.. I did it at one point, when I couldn't figure out what was going on with network unlcok pin stuff Oct 24 05:32:59 tehre's an evil hack in cocoboot that sets a memory breakopint Oct 24 05:33:17 so you can breakpoint writing to the UART register Oct 24 05:33:25 and dump whatever gets written Oct 24 05:33:27 crap Oct 24 05:33:30 missing dbus-binding-tool Oct 24 05:33:32 grrrr Oct 24 05:34:04 BobOfDoom: nice and evil Oct 24 05:34:04 raster: go ahead make a plugin for gsmd2.. I'd like to get a fresh perspective on it. Also new modem plugin implementations always discover missing features on gsmd2.. Oct 24 05:34:10 :) Oct 24 05:34:49 spyre: indeed. i know how that ticks :) u have to push things to find the weak spots of your design Oct 24 05:37:07 raster: actually its not my design, I came into the project half a year after it started.. allthough I have with hepaajan_ changed the design quite a bit Oct 24 05:38:34 spyre: thats fair enough Oct 24 05:38:48 damn u gsmd2... Oct 24 05:38:59 whats with Oct 24 05:39:00 | ../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool: line 6560: /usr/bin/dbus-binding-tool: No such file or directory Oct 24 05:39:02 grrr Oct 24 05:39:26 hard-coded paths of death! Oct 24 05:39:56 aha! Oct 24 05:40:00 bad MAkefile.am Oct 24 05:40:01 bad! Oct 24 05:40:06 $(LIBTOOL) --mode=execute /usr/bin/dbus-binding-tool \ Oct 24 05:40:10 spyre: see above Oct 24 05:40:11 :) Oct 24 05:41:42 raster: heheh :) Oct 24 05:42:51 * raster tests patch Oct 24 05:45:07 ummmm.... Oct 24 05:45:38 ooh Oct 24 05:45:40 theres more of them Oct 24 05:46:49 http://www.mobile-t-mobile.com/uimg/iPhon-vs-Rock.jpg (It wasn't in my lastog so i'm pasting this) Oct 24 05:48:53 nice looking stone Oct 24 05:50:56 * raster has a mission in life... to crush the iphone to a pulp with better ui gooeyness on linux... on an open platform Oct 24 05:51:10 spyre: doth thout want my patches sir? i have 3... Oct 24 05:51:18 err Oct 24 05:51:21 Am I missing a trick , I cant seem to get gprs networking to work under fat and dirty Oct 24 05:51:30 doth thou wanteth mine here patches Oct 24 05:51:43 raster: sure sir knight Oct 24 05:51:44 ha Oct 24 05:52:39 spyre: where shall i send my deliver of patches sir spyre! Oct 24 05:52:55 * raster rattles his basket of patches Oct 24 05:52:57 raster: my email is in AUTHORS file Oct 24 05:53:18 aaah indeed sir spyre Oct 24 05:53:19 raster: yeah.. and my name is Vesa Pikki, that would also help :) Oct 24 05:53:38 aaah but alas Oct 24 05:53:43 rm_work has deleted my tree Oct 24 05:54:08 /me runs off to the sources inn for an ale Oct 24 05:54:13 * raster runs off to the sources inn for an ale Oct 24 05:57:11 spyre: sir knight. thy maidens of patch cometh Oct 24 05:59:09 thanks :) Oct 24 05:59:20 btw have you gotten it compiled and/or running yet? Oct 24 05:59:50 compiled and package installed Oct 24 05:59:55 wondering how on earlt o run it Oct 24 06:01:50 hmm Oct 24 06:01:57 ooh ok Oct 24 06:01:58 hmm Oct 24 06:02:02 it didnt... never mind Oct 24 06:02:25 /etc/gsmd2/gsmd2.conf doesnt exist Oct 24 06:02:26 bugger Oct 24 06:02:40 ummm Oct 24 06:02:45 whats meant to go there? Oct 24 06:05:01 BobOfDoom: I summon ye! Oct 24 06:08:01 * mwester hands raster some better-smelling incense, and some brighter chalk for his mystic symbols Oct 24 06:08:17 * raster tries again with more incense Oct 24 06:08:27 BobOfDoom: I SUMMON YE! AWAKE! Oct 24 06:09:07 methinks we have a faulty BobOfDoom Oct 24 06:09:12 someone got a replacement? Oct 24 06:36:01 * BobOfDoom sparks Oct 24 06:36:12 * BobOfDoom slowly flickers into life Oct 24 06:36:24 raster: you called? Oct 24 06:36:40 AHA! Oct 24 06:36:56 you are slow to be summoned mr. doom! Oct 24 06:37:03 what serial port is the modem on? Oct 24 06:37:07 0,1,2,3? Oct 24 06:37:10 0 Oct 24 06:37:14 i get nada from any in minicom Oct 24 06:37:15 hmmm Oct 24 06:37:25 baud 460800 Oct 24 06:37:34 ooooo Oct 24 06:37:46 and it needs to be reset Oct 24 06:37:51 otherwise its stuck in mux mode Oct 24 06:38:03 buggewr Oct 24 06:38:07 minicom has no such option Oct 24 06:38:09 poobuttox Oct 24 06:38:13 it does Oct 24 06:38:17 it's just hidden Oct 24 06:38:19 :p Oct 24 06:38:23 there's something else you press Oct 24 06:38:23 umm Oct 24 06:38:25 * BobOfDoom checks Oct 24 06:38:48 damn u minicom Oct 24 06:38:51 damn you all to hell! Oct 24 06:38:54 I can't remember whether the kernel you're using has the modem stuff Oct 24 06:39:04 ooooh Oct 24 06:39:09 do you have a /sys/devices/platform/palmt650_gsm_pm Oct 24 06:39:12 or maybe its Oct 24 06:39:18 /sys/devices/platform/palmt650_pm_gsm Oct 24 06:39:35 yes Oct 24 06:39:36 got it Oct 24 06:39:45 ah cool Oct 24 06:39:52 aaah Oct 24 06:39:54 not powered on Oct 24 06:40:00 root@palmt650:/sys/devices/platform/palmt650-pm-gsm# cat power_on Oct 24 06:40:00 0 Oct 24 06:40:05 ok in minicom Oct 24 06:40:12 in comm paremeters option menu thing Oct 24 06:40:21 yup Oct 24 06:40:38 do you have? A B C 9600 D 38400.. etc? Oct 24 06:40:47 hmm Oct 24 06:40:48 no Oct 24 06:40:52 dang Oct 24 06:40:55 a is 300 Oct 24 06:40:57 b is 1200 Oct 24 06:40:57 maybe itsa debian patch Oct 24 06:41:03 ok Oct 24 06:41:06 the other hacky way Oct 24 06:41:09 is start minicom Oct 24 06:41:14 and in other term Oct 24 06:41:16 do stty Oct 24 06:41:20 and change the baud Oct 24 06:41:49 stty -F /dev/ttyS0 speed 460800 Oct 24 06:42:19 or it might be ospeed and ispeed instead of jsut speed Oct 24 06:42:21 I can't tremember Oct 24 06:43:35 ooh strabnge Oct 24 06:44:06 stty -F /dev/ttyS0 speed Oct 24 06:44:07 stty: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error Oct 24 06:45:18 erg Oct 24 06:45:20 oh Oct 24 06:45:25 do dmesg | grep FFUART Oct 24 06:45:36 nada Oct 24 06:45:42 dang nabbit Oct 24 06:45:50 ok Oct 24 06:45:57 maybe its missing the driver Oct 24 06:46:11 just a sec Oct 24 06:46:25 /sys/devices/platform/palmt650-pm-gsm Oct 24 06:46:28 is definitely there Oct 24 06:46:57 right, that's the power management Oct 24 06:47:02 seems like its missing the serial driver Oct 24 06:47:03 or.. Oct 24 06:47:04 actually Oct 24 06:47:09 ooh Oct 24 06:47:11 did you have phone on in palmos before booting? Oct 24 06:47:12 BAD kernelBAD Oct 24 06:47:29 * raster spanks the kernel Oct 24 06:47:31 hgmm Oct 24 06:47:31 no Oct 24 06:47:35 it doesnt even have a sim card in Oct 24 06:47:39 ah Oct 24 06:47:47 well you don't need a SIM probably Oct 24 06:47:51 shouldnt Oct 24 06:47:52 but turn the modem on before boot Oct 24 06:48:02 i should be abel to at least talk to it to find out if i have a sim card! Oct 24 06:48:05 otherwise it seems to not detect serial Oct 24 06:48:06 hmm Oct 24 06:48:08 ok Oct 24 06:48:11 I need to fix that Oct 24 06:48:52 * raster does the cocoboot dance Oct 24 06:49:42 http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/zImage <-- if it's still missing try this.. Oct 24 06:49:48 oh Oct 24 06:49:57 and once you've booted with phone on Oct 24 06:50:04 echo 0 > pwoer_on; echo 1 > power_on Oct 24 06:50:05 to reset it Oct 24 06:50:09 out of MUX mode Oct 24 06:50:13 then it should talk to you Oct 24 06:50:14 I hope Oct 24 06:50:41 otherwise it'll be an anti-social bum Oct 24 06:52:20 * raster grumbles and sticks in his sim czard Oct 24 06:55:06 hmmmm Oct 24 06:55:08 phone still off Oct 24 06:55:12 how do i trun it on damnity Oct 24 06:57:10 hold red phoone button Oct 24 06:57:15 you mean ni palmso? Oct 24 06:58:00 hold red phone button until it does it's little dance Oct 24 06:58:04 and the leds starts flash Oct 24 06:58:07 and whatever Oct 24 06:59:20 ok, I gtg, going out for dinner, I'll be back in a few hours to hear the war story of how it went Oct 24 06:59:23 good luck Oct 24 06:59:26 ooho Oct 24 06:59:27 HOLD it Oct 24 06:59:29 damnit! Oct 24 07:00:39 oh, one other hint, once you've got it talking, if you do AT+CFUN=1 to power up the radio and connect it'll go to sleep and stop responding after a while Oct 24 07:00:49 to wake it up, use the wake file in that /sys directory Oct 24 07:00:58 toggle wake off and on Oct 24 07:01:07 and it should start talking again Oct 24 07:01:15 it's very temperamental that modem Oct 24 07:06:00 BobOfDoom: i'll see Oct 24 07:06:05 had to reboot with your kernel Oct 24 07:06:07 no UART Oct 24 07:06:38 looks like it'll take a while untill you get to try gsmd2 ;) Oct 24 07:07:36 spyre: booting now Oct 24 07:07:39 lets see Oct 24 07:10:36 hmm Oct 24 07:10:41 usb consol not workies Oct 24 07:10:41 booo Oct 24 07:13:52 BobOfDoom: evil man! that kernel doesnt have usbnet working properly :( Oct 24 07:33:41 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki 07gsmd2 * rd7357efab3a5 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Applied raster's patches to remove dbus-binding-tools' directories Oct 24 07:33:41 freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki 07gsmd2 * r6d30f165052e 10/ (README gsmd2.conf): Added default configuration file for gsmd2. Oct 24 07:55:41 yea Oct 24 07:55:51 pain in the butt eh? Oct 24 07:56:00 and no default console Oct 24 07:56:11 i gots no terminal to try fixin things Oct 24 07:58:17 wifi too Oct 24 08:18:06 spyre: thank you for the info about gsmd2. Oct 24 08:19:22 np Oct 24 08:25:37 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc14835d6eec 10/packages/efl1/evas-native_svn.bb: [evas-native] Add _GNU_SOURCE for preprocessor Oct 24 09:16:57 hi Oct 24 09:23:16 openmoko: 03john_lee * r4727 10/developers/raster/ompower/main.h: Update to match E svnrev 36882. Oct 24 09:31:04 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * re151c5a9326d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower: update to 4727 to match with EFL changes. Oct 24 09:48:31 raster: oh, right, I was playing with usb host Oct 24 09:48:33 raster: sorry Oct 24 09:49:08 bad bob! Oct 24 09:49:09 bad! Oct 24 09:49:10 :) Oct 24 09:50:26 oh, hey there's now a MIDI USB gadget driver XD Oct 24 09:50:36 and a printer one Oct 24 09:51:04 hmmm Oct 24 09:51:11 most interesting Oct 24 09:51:17 let your phone pretned to be a prt Oct 24 09:51:19 actually Oct 24 09:51:23 that would be pretty cool Oct 24 09:51:29 for windows weenies Oct 24 09:51:42 "i want to copy my business document to my phone? how do i do it?" Oct 24 09:51:46 "just print to it u fool!" Oct 24 09:51:47 :) Oct 24 09:51:51 LOL Oct 24 09:51:54 :D Oct 24 09:52:42 * BobOfDoom compiles Oct 24 09:52:42 Haha :D Oct 24 09:52:56 Hm, if itcould pretend to be a bluetooth printer... Oct 24 09:53:32 ok, I have build with openmake (maek setup and make inage)and can do make run-qemu. how do I know that I am running the latest stable for freerunner? Oct 24 09:54:27 download the image to "images" folder and make flash-qemu (at least that's how it worked 5 months ago when I last tried) Oct 24 09:54:54 raster: http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/zImage Oct 24 09:55:06 lets see what I've screwed up this time.. Oct 24 09:55:07 download all of uboot kernel and rootfs to that folder, Pander. Oct 24 09:56:28 GSM PM, check. UART drive, check. Ethernet gadget, check. MMC, check. Oct 24 09:56:33 hoppefully that one is good Oct 24 09:59:29 lets see Oct 24 10:01:18 usb ok Oct 24 10:01:26 pxa2xx-uart.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x40100000 (irq = 22) is a FFUART Oct 24 10:01:27 pxa2xx-uart.1: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x40200000 (irq = 21) is a BTUART Oct 24 10:01:27 pxa2xx-uart.2: ttyS2 at MMIO 0x40700000 (irq = 20) is a STUART Oct 24 10:01:28 pants on Oct 24 10:02:16 ok Oct 24 10:02:19 a stem along Oct 24 10:02:23 still no juice with minicom Oct 24 10:02:24 eats Oct 24 10:02:25 bbl; Oct 24 10:05:19 hi there Oct 24 10:05:54 is anybody from openmoko inc. available? Oct 24 10:08:51 no, they're all married to Sean Oct 24 10:10:02 20:00 in Taipei, most are out of the office ;) Oct 24 10:10:09 why? Oct 24 10:16:40 tch, part-timers Oct 24 10:34:08 Hmm, pointer of LionKMP is not working, there is no more flash-qemu, but a local and official version. What should I use to emulate testing-om-gta02-20081024.uImage Oct 24 10:34:36 ehm, sorry, let me check that Makefile for correct target name, moment. Oct 24 10:35:14 make flash-qemu-official Oct 24 10:35:21 or is this the way to go: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu Oct 24 10:35:29 whew doggie Oct 24 10:35:30 finished Oct 24 10:35:32 but that was unable to flash gta02 images (because Qemu emulated gta01 I think) Oct 24 10:35:46 I just want to get started with easy emulation and later also contribute fixes Oct 24 10:35:52 had a >=6 page research paper due today Oct 24 10:35:58 started it yesterday Oct 24 10:36:01 horay for being done Oct 24 10:36:02 i don't know what it does today, but maybe you'll need a gta01 image of the same. Oct 24 10:36:22 rooly|away: congratulations :) Oct 24 10:36:43 Pander: I don't use Qemu since I have the device. Oct 24 10:36:50 it's on the language surrounding copyright and patent infringement Oct 24 10:37:03 qemu was unusable slow on my Opteron 144 Sun workstation :( Oct 24 10:37:54 basically, i state that since an idea does not exist, it cannot be stolen. since IP is ownership of an idea, and an idea cannot be stolen, IP cannot be stolen, only infringed. and while both are still illegal, they are mutually exclusive of each other Oct 24 10:38:05 I have the device when I pick it up from the post office ;) but emulation is good to test before uploading, not? Oct 24 10:38:50 okay Oct 24 10:38:58 gonna go get a few hours of sleep Oct 24 10:39:00 g'night Oct 24 10:39:05 cya :) Oct 24 10:39:11 damn paper is due in like 3.5 hours Oct 24 10:39:42 Pander: well, it would be very cool to get info from Openmoko inc explaining how they really develop the software. But I don't think they use Qemu. Oct 24 10:40:38 Pander: there are so many ways described in the Wiki, just need to find the right one. :) (And I heard about another which is not even described there but sounds very good!) Oct 24 10:40:44 i believe they use crayons and a scrapbook Oct 24 10:40:51 I have seen just too many different download and how to emulate wiki pages so I'm a bit lost Oct 24 10:40:56 haha Oct 24 10:41:40 Pander: me too :( (Currently I am building sidplayer by OpenEmbedded, will see how it works :) ) Oct 24 10:41:57 but I don't know how to actually modify program, which is part of the big openembedded thing. Oct 24 10:42:34 perhaps it is better to formulate an exact question for the mailinglist, what is THE way to download latest stable, make your changes and be able to build, emulate and install on your device Oct 24 10:42:53 hey depends on WHAT you want to change. What you plan to change first? Oct 24 10:43:26 not that I will know the answer... :) Oct 24 10:43:41 hmm, first to get this development street working. changes would be in the applications and/or the system, but not too low level Oct 24 10:51:19 ok, I'll read answers to that on the list :) Oct 24 10:51:55 Any success/failure stories for any mail client using IMAP+SSL ? Oct 24 10:52:21 meanwhile make flash-qemu-official should flash the images, maybe gta01 only. Oct 24 10:52:50 viq: didn't test too much, but failed, Qtmail (Messages). Oct 24 10:53:07 then I saw somewhere that this feature is not ready yet, so I did not try again. Oct 24 10:56:05 ok Oct 24 10:56:17 That's one ;) Oct 24 11:06:22 raster: http://www.meshy.org/~ato/tmp/minicom.html Oct 24 11:07:29 BobOfDoom: │ E - Bps/Par/Bits : 460800 8N1 │ Oct 24 11:07:39 i just manually edited the minrc Oct 24 11:07:52 hmm Oct 24 11:07:58 no flow control eh? Oct 24 11:09:14 lemme check if it works with flow control Oct 24 11:09:19 I just turn it off from habit Oct 24 11:09:38 nothing Oct 24 11:09:41 identical minirc Oct 24 11:10:04 # Machine-generated file - use "minicom -s" to change parameters. Oct 24 11:10:04 pr port /dev/ttyS0 Oct 24 11:10:04 pu baudrate 460800 Oct 24 11:10:04 pu minit Oct 24 11:10:04 pu mreset Oct 24 11:10:05 pu rtscts No Oct 24 11:10:26 pxa2xx-uart.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0x40100000 (irq = 22) is a FFUART Oct 24 11:10:26 pxa2xx-uart.1: ttyS1 at MMIO 0x40200000 (irq = 21) is a BTUART Oct 24 11:10:26 pxa2xx-uart.2: ttyS2 at MMIO 0x40700000 (irq = 20) is a STUART Oct 24 11:10:40 palmt650_gsm: Setting GSM power to 0 Oct 24 11:10:40 palmt650_gsm: Setting GSM power to 1 Oct 24 11:10:51 i've reset that sucker a dozen times Oct 24 11:10:51 :/ Oct 24 11:10:58 serial port is dead Oct 24 11:11:01 no sim card tho Oct 24 11:11:01 hmm Oct 24 11:11:20 did you use that minicom binary I pasted? Oct 24 11:11:28 I know this isnt the qtopia channel, but does anyone know if this is a known bug? : Oct 24 11:11:32 oh no Oct 24 11:11:33 not the bin Oct 24 11:11:34 I mean linked from the minicom.html Oct 24 11:11:41 try that one, from debian Oct 24 11:11:48 The phone goes mad, displays no menu items and does not allow me to enter a pin code. (theres no numbers to press!) Oct 24 11:11:57 maybe yours doesn't actually do 460800 even if you hack the config Oct 24 11:12:34 if that doesn't help then I'm completely out of ideas Oct 24 11:14:01 aaaah Oct 24 11:14:02 yes Oct 24 11:14:10 it does limit ti even if the config says otherwise Oct 24 11:14:19 AT.. .okaaaay! Oct 24 11:14:22 baybeeey Oct 24 11:14:25 LD Oct 24 11:14:26 :D Oct 24 11:14:28 woohoo Oct 24 11:14:42 ATPANTSON Oct 24 11:14:42 ERROR Oct 24 11:14:43 poo Oct 24 11:14:48 doesnt grok PANTSON Oct 24 11:15:32 * Kensan_ snikers Oct 24 11:16:02 MRDY is happi Oct 24 11:16:27 i guess this means... gsdm2 will need soem luv Oct 24 11:17:08 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2df03f6fc98d 10/packages/efl1/ (eina_svn.bb files/Eina_Bool_casting_problem.patch): [eina] Add a patch to eina Oct 24 11:17:10 raster: are you taking a closer look at gsmd2? Oct 24 11:17:24 yesh Oct 24 11:17:28 *huc* Oct 24 11:17:32 *hic* Oct 24 11:18:38 cool. Testing on the treo? Is it a drop-in replacement for ogsmd? Oct 24 11:19:05 not completely Oct 24 11:19:08 but could be i think Oct 24 11:23:27 * mickey|munich shakes head Oct 24 11:23:37 and smiles Oct 24 11:23:38 it couldnt be? Oct 24 11:23:45 oh it can Oct 24 11:24:57 it should very much make life on the treo... sane Oct 24 11:24:58 spyre will surely catch up with the new API Oct 24 11:25:06 although you will miss the other framework goodies Oct 24 11:25:06 tried frameworkd Oct 24 11:25:11 yeah Oct 24 11:25:14 known Oct 24 11:25:18 one thing at a time Oct 24 11:25:18 :) Oct 24 11:25:22 heh Oct 24 11:25:26 you still dreaming of a pure-C system right? Oct 24 11:25:33 or considering asm already? :D Oct 24 11:25:37 heh Oct 24 11:25:51 more draming of a system that works :) Oct 24 11:25:55 frameworkd is just too heavy for the treo Oct 24 11:25:56 raster: don't we all Oct 24 11:26:02 the boot is slowed down massively Oct 24 11:26:15 * Kensan_ nods Oct 24 11:26:20 x/e/ui come to a grinding halt as sd io and cache thrashing kick in Oct 24 11:26:32 can just run the tterminal app Oct 24 11:26:42 and then basically have 1m free Oct 24 11:26:54 and it takes a few minutes for terminal to start Oct 24 11:26:54 :( Oct 24 11:27:09 (whereas without fwd it's a few seconds) Oct 24 11:27:29 so as such there is no choice but to look at alternatives Oct 24 11:27:48 BUT keep an api that is the same as fso Oct 24 11:27:55 that way it all plays nice Oct 24 11:28:10 mickey|munich: I'm waiting for you to stabilize FSO API ;) Oct 24 11:30:17 spyre: org.freesmartphone.GSM.* will be announced as 0.9 within the next 6 weeks Oct 24 11:30:29 i'm very confident with it as it stands Oct 24 11:30:42 mickey|munich: awesome Oct 24 11:31:08 mickey|munich: that's good news Oct 24 11:31:41 mickey|munich: i probably asked this already but have you managed to see return values of method calls with dbus-monitor? Oct 24 11:31:51 mickey|munich: it'd greatly help me in debugging frameworkd Oct 24 11:32:07 lindi-: did not try again Oct 24 11:32:13 try enabling eavesdropping mode in dbus Oct 24 11:32:53 mickey|munich: i did Oct 24 11:33:00 mickey|munich: i can see all signals and calls but no returns Oct 24 11:36:36 raster: did you see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002768.html ? Oct 24 11:39:02 Kensan_: yes saw. didnty look @ chart tho Oct 24 11:39:37 their enlightenment start time is pretty long Oct 24 11:39:59 especially until enlightenment_init (The splash slave process) Oct 24 11:40:20 oooh Oct 24 11:40:22 no exqusitie boot Oct 24 11:40:24 that may be why Oct 24 11:40:52 where's device initialization? Oct 24 11:40:56 hm Oct 24 11:41:37 funny that bootchart spots e's zombie children Oct 24 11:41:45 (until it finally reaps their returns) Oct 24 11:43:35 "I have Android nearly fully functional on the Freerunner." That was fast Oct 24 11:44:18 lindi-: try asking on the dbus mailing list Oct 24 11:44:23 * mickey|munich bbiab, taking the train to FRA now Oct 24 11:49:24 Shlee: Who? :O Oct 24 11:49:26 * flexd_ wnats Oct 24 11:51:01 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-October/002747.html Oct 24 11:59:37 cool Oct 24 12:48:11 openmoko still beta ??? Oct 24 12:48:30 omfg sdcard whoahs Oct 24 12:51:08 * kd8ikt throws his freerunner against the wall Oct 24 12:51:47 the wall breaks Oct 24 12:52:45 this is really bugging me Oct 24 12:53:10 Nice Oct 24 12:53:51 Dave: fix my computer Oct 24 12:54:22 sudo might help :D Oct 24 12:54:29 What, cut off it's reproductive parts? ;) Oct 24 12:54:44 sudo rm -rf / ; echo problem solved Oct 24 12:55:04 echo: command not found Oct 24 12:55:04 ;) Oct 24 12:56:11 is it just me or are others having SDHC issues? Oct 24 12:58:15 haha Oct 24 12:58:24 kd8, corruption or IO issues? Oct 24 12:58:32 then yes Oct 24 12:58:33 <--- No SDHC -- no SDHC issues. Oct 24 12:58:37 io Oct 24 12:58:39 o_o Oct 24 12:58:58 IO errors kinda coincide with corruption Oct 24 12:59:03 kd8ikt: i have no more SDHC issue with latest kernels Oct 24 12:59:58 daily? Oct 24 13:00:18 at least those from FSO Oct 24 13:00:36 i didn't try the one from OM Oct 24 13:01:01 mwester kernel is ok too Oct 24 13:01:01 It isn't designed for HC.. the kernel has recent patches to improve the compatability/stability Oct 24 13:01:04 so try that out Oct 24 13:02:36 glamo-mci error ofter 0xblah Oct 24 13:07:03 usb booting sounds more viable at the moment Oct 24 13:15:02 guess i could try this uboot sd clock hack see if that fixes it Oct 24 13:15:32 kd8ikt: have you tried the latest mwester kernel ? Oct 24 13:15:43 Yes, folks are reporting SDHC issues. But what we need is a bug report with lotsa details (if one doesn't exist already) -- especially including things like the mfgr of the card and size so someone can duplicate it. Oct 24 13:17:17 my card isnt exactly top shelf Oct 24 13:17:41 2GB i baught for like 10$ Oct 24 13:19:25 2GB is not SDHC Oct 24 13:19:58 Ah, well that's what the devs needs to know. It should work with all cards, but the right timings would be different for THAT problem than another reported on IRC yesterday (which was with a Sandisk 4GB card, which should be the reference card, IMO). Oct 24 13:20:56 The driver needs to adapt, and I think it's not doing that as well as it used to, or perhaps its "adapting" too well and getting the final timings wrong... Oct 24 13:21:05 so... Oct 24 13:26:14 hang myself? Oct 24 13:37:22 No static library support for platform/compiler linux-gnueabi-arm-g++-static Oct 24 13:37:24 Either that, or open a bug report with all the specifics (card mfgr, capacity, filesystem types and partitioning, and any bits of log file or output you can get . Oct 24 13:37:40 Hi, I get that when trying to build a program in OM OE bitbake Oct 24 13:37:42 thats a lot of work Oct 24 13:37:52 kd8ikt: Yep. Oct 24 13:38:03 Available platforms: cygwin-arm-g++ cygwin-ipaq-g++ cygwin-sharp-g++ freebsd-g++ linux-a Oct 24 13:38:03 rm-g++ Oct 24 13:40:02 uff Oct 24 13:40:12 today i can't study :\ Oct 24 13:40:28 http://pastebin.ca/1235668 here is the error output paste. Oct 24 13:40:32 i feel so depressed Oct 24 13:40:37 * Hire1 *sigh* Oct 24 14:04:10 fdom-latest went all night on 1/2 battery in suspend an woke up this morning an dialed a call Oct 24 14:04:26 YAY Oct 24 14:05:20 omg Oct 24 14:38:15 Ahoi seemänner :D Oct 24 14:49:37 openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * rd79040adc749 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Locations] Bump up the rev to 88ecdbab66d1586a8d12a6f83bb40e25336d3086. Oct 24 14:50:28 lol Oct 24 14:50:41 :) lovely nickname Oct 24 14:52:51 hi all Oct 24 14:55:41 hi Oct 24 15:01:24 short question, what version of openmoko are you all running? Oct 24 15:03:08 There is no short answer to such a vast question. To which firmware image to you refer? Oct 24 15:04:25 freerunner, i just upgraded to 2008.9 but the phone pin is only alpha, not numeric. discovered that this bug is from august and still not fixed. hance my question Oct 24 15:05:58 Pander: check channel topic Oct 24 15:06:17 Pander: Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard Oct 24 15:07:57 2008.8 or 2008.8-update? Oct 24 15:09:10 makes no difference to that issue iirc ... slide finger up on both Oct 24 15:11:51 yeeeee haaaaa Oct 24 15:12:25 testing images now works Oct 24 15:13:08 got me little italian-spanish owned openmoko an ready to ride:) Oct 24 15:13:39 gotta try the neopwn Oct 24 15:14:27 sicu: thanks, so 2008.8-update is sort of the most stable/workable at this moment? Oct 24 15:15:10 That's rather like asking which desert has more water. Oct 24 15:15:12 :) Oct 24 15:15:39 mwester: haha Oct 24 15:15:57 i think fdom-latest release is well done Oct 24 15:16:17 slaxxin: no major issues so far then ? Oct 24 15:16:20 It depends on what you want the device to do. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions will provide some info Oct 24 15:16:43 lint-wifi hooked me up on an open wifi Oct 24 15:17:31 tangogps hooked up in 3 minuits insidee the house with no ext antenea Oct 24 15:18:10 suspended overnight with no reboot an still operates well as a phone Oct 24 15:18:34 is the touchscreen lockable? Oct 24 15:18:55 there are alsa issues as far as i can tell Oct 24 15:19:15 yes Oct 24 15:19:32 slaxxin: I'm upgrading. ^_^ Oct 24 15:19:56 how do u use the upgrade script? Oct 24 15:20:08 i flashed a new image Oct 24 15:21:38 oh, I guess I wont do upgrade, just untar the image Oct 24 15:21:50 re Oct 24 15:22:05 What kernel to use? Oct 24 15:22:23 hey, i'm thinking of flashing FSO milestone 3, but does it have a contact importer yet? I have tons of contacts and if it doesn't have one it's kinda useless to me Oct 24 15:22:35 why is it that the freerunner dont get a fix with gps??? Oct 24 15:22:38 wiki says .. Oct 24 15:22:48 wiki says naaaaaaaahhhhhh Oct 24 15:23:00 lol Oct 24 15:23:01 warlock, what distro are you running? Oct 24 15:23:16 20080913 Oct 24 15:23:24 soo 2008.8-update with FDOM is 'advisable' ;) Oct 24 15:23:27 FDOM Oct 24 15:23:49 hm, i got a fix with FDOM Oct 24 15:23:58 the most resent Oct 24 15:24:03 yup Oct 24 15:24:04 although I haven't tried the newer FDOM Oct 24 15:24:14 very quickly Oct 24 15:24:21 anyone know if FSO has a contact importer? Oct 24 15:24:27 nope i do see blue dbm lines in the test tool but i dont get a fix Oct 24 15:24:58 * Soulnoob did not get a fix with gta-01 kernel on gta02 hw. Oct 24 15:25:20 did u turn it on in settings? Oct 24 15:25:36 haha Oct 24 15:26:10 *duh* :P Oct 24 15:26:32 warlock: Have you ever had gps working? It's not the capacitor thingie? Oct 24 15:26:37 hello Oct 24 15:26:48 i have installed pythm Oct 24 15:26:54 Soulnoob: how did you manage to boot a gta01 kernel on a gta02??? Oct 24 15:26:57 where do i have to put my music? Oct 24 15:27:14 mwester: it's the magic kernel ! Oct 24 15:27:21 the capacitor is solderd in and nope it never worked.... :( Oct 24 15:28:02 my gps has never worked either, but I've not put much effort into investigating why Oct 24 15:28:16 mwester: I dont know if I did. But I had gps dates going crazy at some point. I checked the download directory and could find a gta01-image in there Oct 24 15:28:36 mwester: I can try it again, Oct 24 15:28:42 Soulnoob: No don't do that! Oct 24 15:28:45 GPS worked for me even back with OM2008.8 Oct 24 15:28:54 :D Oct 24 15:29:08 without external antenna??? Oct 24 15:29:19 THe GTA01 kernel is intended for the GTA01 hardware, if it boots at all on the GTA02 that's a) amazing b) wrong and c) certainly not going to work correctly. Oct 24 15:29:24 warlock, yeah Oct 24 15:29:26 i thought maybe the signal is to weak Oct 24 15:29:30 hmzzzz\ Oct 24 15:29:47 warlock, it did take a minute or two, and I had to be outside.... Oct 24 15:30:05 for installing FDOM, you need also Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin ? Oct 24 15:30:10 mwester: Yeah, I could not ssh to it. The diode on my usb hub shut off (it never did that) Oct 24 15:30:13 ok... outside... im only did try it inside.... Oct 24 15:30:21 white_gecko: you can add music with pythm itself! Oct 24 15:30:29 so maybe ..... ill try it later after work :) Oct 24 15:30:37 warlock, yeah you aren't going to get a fix inside Oct 24 15:30:38 der-lehmann: wher? Oct 24 15:30:40 s/never did/normally never do/ Oct 24 15:30:40 Soulnoob meant: mwester: Yeah, I could not ssh to it. The diode on my usb hub shut off (it normally never do that) Oct 24 15:30:51 der-lehmann: and how Oct 24 15:31:03 click on the last tab Oct 24 15:31:11 yes+ Oct 24 15:31:24 OK thats obvouse then... thnx break_free Oct 24 15:31:29 there is only mpd Oct 24 15:31:31 +i Oct 24 15:31:42 and a very small scrollbar Oct 24 15:31:44 and mplayer Oct 24 15:32:05 both inactive and disconnected Oct 24 15:32:11 warlock, np Oct 24 15:32:30 actived mplayer Oct 24 15:32:49 is OM going to use qtextended for telephony? Oct 24 15:33:04 4.4.1 Oct 24 15:33:46 you got ist? Oct 24 15:34:00 break_free: no Oct 24 15:34:01 i think i have to install mplayer first Oct 24 15:34:21 ppls laterzzzzzz Oct 24 15:34:24 not a bad idea Oct 24 15:34:30 :-) Oct 24 15:34:32 mwester, is there a reason? I really like 4.1.1, it's pretty slick Oct 24 15:35:03 hmmm, about FDOM, is this the URL? http://www.tuxbrain.com/fdom_en.html If so, on the OM wiki is an old version. Oct 24 15:35:04 now i have mplayer installed Oct 24 15:35:15 break_free: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1336450|a1336450 Oct 24 15:35:21 Thank goodness for that too Oct 24 15:35:43 now i have activated mplayer Oct 24 15:36:11 but how do i add music? Oct 24 15:36:26 go to the third tab Oct 24 15:36:45 yes Oct 24 15:37:24 do you have music on your sd card? Oct 24 15:37:33 in my home directory Oct 24 15:37:52 1 ogg and 2 mp3 Oct 24 15:38:26 do you see a directory list Oct 24 15:38:32 no Oct 24 15:39:07 mplyer is active anc connected Oct 24 15:39:18 i see "Dir | File" and an empty list Oct 24 15:39:30 mplayer acive connected Oct 24 15:40:02 hi! is there a developer channel .. (channel in the topic seems empty) Oct 24 15:40:08 mwester, so will OM have it's own telephony? Oct 24 15:40:26 sorry that all waht i know Oct 24 15:40:33 hm ok Oct 24 15:40:39 but thankyou Oct 24 15:40:44 i will look later Oct 24 15:40:56 i have to leave now Oct 24 15:41:03 but thankyou very muche Oct 24 15:41:06 or test anozher mediaplayer Oct 24 15:41:08 break_free: If they can make money from that, but there's no reason for them to do so any more. Oct 24 15:41:32 They are supporting other projects instead -- I think that's a better model. Oct 24 15:41:50 mwester, ah I see Oct 24 15:42:18 We'll be able to choose from Qtopia/QT Extended, or Android, or the FSO framework. Oct 24 15:42:44 slightly less fragmented then :) Oct 24 15:42:49 Om should just be providing open hardware, and the necessary libraries and kernel support for those three middlewares. Oct 24 15:43:20 That will let Om focus, and give us the widest and best choices of what to use. Oct 24 15:43:39 The only problem is that it leaves us (users) without a good choice at the moment. Oct 24 15:44:12 I think QT Extended has the most promise for a short-term solution, assuming that Om can fix the hardware/driver problems that have plagued the FR since it was shipped. Oct 24 15:44:29 Personally, I think FSO is the most interesting to the community. Oct 24 15:44:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * raf45354b4046 10/fsod/ (18 files in 14 dirs): Rename FSO namespace to FSOD Oct 24 15:44:45 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf61a894da217 10/fsod/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Oct 24 15:44:45 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Use GLib's log wherever possible instead of g_message Oct 24 15:44:45 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Change the factory signature of subsystems. Now it should be Oct 24 15:44:45 But there is also a lot to be said for Android, especially if you are a Java person. Oct 24 15:44:47 freesmartphone.org: Init (FSOD.Service service) Oct 24 15:44:49 freesmartphone.org: 3.) Add fsod-python-plugin vapi. Initialize Python Interpreter Oct 24 15:45:32 i've got a problem with the MokoMakefile queue (with some freesmartphone.org packages nearly at the end) .. someone here who can help with that? Oct 24 15:46:10 Nobody knows until you describe the problem (and maybe pastebin the logs) Oct 24 15:46:32 i think they've changed from svn to git .. Oct 24 15:46:38 wait.. log is coming.. Oct 24 15:46:54 NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/py-odeviced_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_190_.tar.gz Oct 24 15:46:57 --2008-10-24 16:58:59-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/py-odeviced_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_190_.tar.gz Oct 24 15:47:00 Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 Oct 24 15:47:03 Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. Oct 24 15:47:05 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Oct 24 15:47:08 2008-10-24 16:58:59 ERROR 404: Not Found. Oct 24 15:47:10 NOTE: Fetch svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software;module=py-odeviced Oct 24 15:47:13 svn: File not found: revision 305, path '/trunk/software/py-odeviced' Oct 24 15:47:16 NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: Fetch command export PATH=/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/sbin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/sbin:/home/stemmer/work/openmoko/bitbake/bin:/usr/loc Oct 24 15:47:21 ... Oct 24 15:47:23 svn: File not found: revision 305, path '/trunk/software/py-odeviced' Oct 24 15:47:25 NOTE: package py-odeviced-0.7.9+svnr190-r0: task do_fetch: failed Oct 24 15:47:26 use pastebin ... Oct 24 15:47:42 the http download links seems already quite strange .. Oct 24 15:47:44 sorry.. Oct 24 15:48:45 i think the reason my gps worked with latest fdom is that i had opkg upgrade to 20081022 when i put fdom on the first time Oct 24 15:49:37 heres the link: http://pastebin.com/m42c0423f Oct 24 15:51:49 any idea? Oct 24 15:56:35 other question: is there a "perfect" host os and version (e.g. a specific debian or sth), for the MokoMakefile construct? i'm running current gentoo .. and i got about 200 version conficts, broken packages etc. during the build process .. Oct 24 16:01:32 hello, i need ElementTree because i need gdata.service...and i've om2008.8...and it seems that element tree needs a .so file so just copying the files won't work Oct 24 16:01:52 what should i do to get element tree running on the openmoko? Oct 24 16:02:00 s/2008.8/2008.9 Oct 24 16:07:45 Did anyone have success using linphone (voip client) ? Oct 24 16:09:38 yang, me using the binary in command line Oct 24 16:10:58 yang, i've also tried ekiga in debian Oct 24 16:11:12 oh Oct 24 16:11:20 well ekiga on a neo? Oct 24 16:14:17 yang, yes on a freerunner...but i had to disable the echo cancelation and silence detection because it ate too much cpu...instead on the linphone binary command line uttility i was able to activate it Oct 24 16:14:23 Hi ! I'm a Qt programmer and i want to compile some programs for om2008.9 but i dont know where to start, i've tryed the wiki "devellopement with eclipse c++ and Qt but it did'nt find Qt librairies :/ Can some one tell me how i can compile Qt's programms ? Oct 24 16:15:51 GNUtoo: sounds promising, which codec deos it use? Oct 24 16:16:06 yang, don't remember...mabe speex Oct 24 16:16:17 ok Oct 24 16:17:19 christophe, i didn't try to devellop C/C++ apps for the openmoko but i know you can use openembedded in order to cross-compile apps linking them to the good libraries Oct 24 16:17:52 rwhitby`: ping? Oct 24 16:18:46 according to top, events/0 is eating up 20-50% of my cpu on my moko Oct 24 16:19:28 GNUtoo : thks, i'll look at this Oct 24 16:20:26 stephelton: Yep, that would be the accelerometers, IIRC Oct 24 16:22:31 yang: I had a post about linphone on the OM mailing list. Oct 24 16:22:47 url Oct 24 16:23:14 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone Oct 24 16:23:21 Apparently someone posted it to the wiki. Neat. Oct 24 16:24:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6e5f822f417e 10/framework/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Oct 24 16:24:51 freesmartphone.org: Resource System: work around the fact that the dbus-python bindings do not really Oct 24 16:24:51 freesmartphone.org: support handling methods for one object by two different classes, Oct 24 16:24:51 freesmartphone.org: not even when it's just an ancestor. Oct 24 16:24:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbf83ba3e5103 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py: oeventsd: call init on base class, even if this does nothing Oct 24 16:27:40 bricode: yeah i found it there Oct 24 16:28:11 yang: Haven't looked at it too closely since except to try and get a gui version up and running on Debian. Oct 24 16:28:40 Unfortunately since the screen is the size it is, the GUI is extremely difficult to navigate and is unusable. Oct 24 16:28:54 bricode: it has a remark that it doesnt function in the last 2008/8 OM build, so you tested it on previous ones? Oct 24 16:29:30 yang: I was running it on Qtopia at the time. The latest builds probably wouldn't work if they use Pulseaudio. Oct 24 16:29:44 To get at the ALSA stuff, you need to kill pulse. Oct 24 16:29:49 ok Oct 24 16:30:17 i am gonna bug you later, when i am about to install it Oct 24 16:42:31 i set my ring to http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/linus.au now linus speaks to me from my pants when anyone calls Oct 24 16:42:39 Toggles! Oct 24 16:42:44 it can be quite disconcerting a times Oct 24 16:42:47 Dave: ! Oct 24 16:42:49 Yeah... Oct 24 16:42:54 That's just wrong. Oct 24 16:43:00 ;-) Oct 24 16:43:16 I remember when that used to come with every distro, how times change Oct 24 16:43:33 ... for the better. Oct 24 16:43:41 what does linus say? Oct 24 16:43:46 * Dave rolls his eyes Oct 24 16:43:48 i have no speakers on this box Oct 24 16:43:49 =\ Oct 24 16:43:59 "Hi my name is linus torvalds and i pronounce leeenux as leeenux" Oct 24 16:44:04 haha Oct 24 16:44:27 Linux Oct 24 16:44:55 * toggles_w slaps Dave Oct 24 16:44:56 Not leenux, or leyenux, or leighnux Oct 24 16:45:02 GNU/Leeenux Oct 24 16:45:51 uggh Oct 24 16:46:01 Ask him how he fucking pronounces GNU too, huh? Oct 24 16:46:12 probably geennyuuuu Oct 24 16:47:23 leenooks Oct 24 16:47:45 haha Oct 24 16:47:56 chinooks? Oct 24 16:48:08 nukes? Oct 24 16:48:13 nuclear wessels? Oct 24 16:48:18 nuclear_eclipse! Oct 24 16:51:57 http://alp.access-company.com/ - that UI looks likable Oct 24 16:52:01 like 2007.2 Oct 24 16:55:58 Evening Oct 24 16:56:26 mwester: ping Oct 24 16:57:45 mwester: makes sense. i've got a pretty stock setup at the moment; what would be using the accelerometer? Oct 24 17:00:40 Kensan: pong Oct 24 17:00:52 stephelton: Dunno - check the mailing lists for discussion Oct 24 17:01:06 mwester: did you get a response from cesarb about git repos? Oct 24 17:01:16 Hello, can openmoko-uboot read kernel directly from rootfs nands partition? like from /boot/uImage file? Oct 24 17:01:26 Nope. So after work today I'll set up a clone repo and put my branch on it. Oct 24 17:01:37 JaMa: standard feature. Oct 24 17:02:11 JaMa: your default NAND boot environment should have a boot option that does that, good for an example at least. Oct 24 17:03:18 mwester: ok good to know. Oct 24 17:05:00 hi Dave Oct 24 17:05:13 how goes it? Oct 24 17:08:08 YES Oct 24 17:08:09 Hello! Oct 24 17:12:13 What's new with you, nuclear_wessels? Oct 24 17:12:23 mwester: I haven't found any such example, is "fsload 0x32000000 /boot/${sd_image_name};" looking right? for loading kernel from rootfs on mtdblock6? Oct 24 17:13:33 The wiki is your freind! :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Oct 24 17:14:35 uggh, why is the freerunner plagued with so many IO issues. Oct 24 17:16:12 mwester: but all examples there are from SD :/ Oct 24 17:17:30 I can't wait until v3! Oct 24 17:19:37 gta? Oct 24 17:20:04 JaMa: Isn't that what you are wanting? Oct 24 17:20:39 JaMa: http://nop0.blogspot.com/2008/09/having-multiple-distributions-on.html Oct 24 17:26:39 mwester: no, that's I already have :), I wanted to have menu entry for booting another kernel on nand partition where rootfs is (ie from file /boot/uImage) Oct 24 17:29:07 sicu: same problem, all from sd.. but maybe I should forget the idea to put another kernel to nand and just use different names on sd.. Oct 24 17:30:00 JaMa: You'll have to check the docs for u-boot to see what the command syntax would be, or if it actually has drivers to read a jffs2 filesystem. I rather doubt that they are compiled in, if they even exist. Oct 24 17:30:22 It's a conspiracy! Oct 24 17:30:35 mwester: ok, thanks a lot Oct 24 17:36:54 mwester: thanks Oct 24 17:39:18 I keep thinking that says jomamma Oct 24 17:39:37 Jama: The right way to handle this is to have a mini-kernel/rootfs in flash that is always booted by u-boot (or qi on the gta03) -- that kernel would present the boot menu to the user, and allow them to boot from SD card, or JFFS2, or anything else that the kernel can read (it could even load an experimental kernel using tftp or nfs!) -- this way we don't have to worry about u-boot limitation. Oct 24 17:40:23 Jama: Building that mini-kernel/rootfs is something that is yet to be done, but most of the parts are already in OE for other projects; we just need to put them together for Om. Oct 24 17:50:27 JaMa: i know it's for sd, but just thought a similar logic would apply (nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000) Oct 24 17:50:56 JaMa: i dont know enough about this tough, evidently mwester does =] Oct 24 17:54:39 sicu: but this nand read.e reads i think whole partition "kernel" on nand.. fsload should be able to read jffs2 (used on rootfs), but for now I created a uboot menu entry for loading /boot/uImage-alt for testing of "secondary kernel" :) Oct 24 17:57:16 Jama: ahh, and what i found was for using 1 kernel for multiple distros, as opposed to what you were wanting to do Oct 24 17:58:10 sorry, should've read more closely Oct 24 18:03:51 aaaah girls! Oct 24 18:04:12 Dave: not here, move along Oct 24 18:04:35 did u know a girl use openmoko? Oct 24 18:04:58 der-lehmann: I know many girls, but that's another story Oct 24 18:06:57 well, very nice .) Oct 24 18:21:39 hey Oct 24 18:28:29 I use an freerunner on my girl! Oct 24 18:28:30 :p Oct 24 18:32:03 Like a brick? Oct 24 18:35:08 or a clapper? Oct 24 18:35:26 * SpeedEvil decides not to mention /sys/... Oct 24 18:48:40 anyone know approximately when gta 3 should be around? Oct 24 18:49:16 hmm Oct 24 18:49:34 I'm holding out for s-video capabilities Oct 24 18:49:40 is there a reason why the initscript for gsm0710muxd has been removed from the package? Oct 24 19:23:19 Hi all, anyone can tell me what parameters in the kernel command line I need to set up the glamo framebuffer for a boot splash on the freerunner? Oct 24 19:38:27 damn Oct 24 19:38:34 stop buying freerunners! :/ Oct 24 19:38:44 two weeks delay Oct 24 19:38:45 * vinicius rages Oct 24 19:48:57 :o Oct 24 19:48:58 i hope they have to make 10,000 more Oct 24 19:50:00 wats going on dave? Oct 24 19:50:10 Dave i mean Oct 24 19:55:06 slaxxins Oct 24 19:58:16 which u useing today?/ Oct 24 20:02:16 visit toutoutout.net Oct 24 20:04:38 hehe Oct 24 20:07:26 i get lots of CRC errors on booting , any idea ? Oct 24 20:10:39 col Oct 24 20:15:28 <_charly_> hi :) Oct 24 20:15:47 Hello Oct 24 20:28:16 hmm Oct 24 20:29:49 What's that? Oct 24 20:30:03 Mr. Dave Oct 24 20:32:00 KENSAN Oct 24 20:32:59 Dave: what's up? Oct 24 20:33:27 finger Dave Oct 24 20:33:34 HEY! Oct 24 20:33:39 hahaha! Oct 24 20:33:40 We'll have none of that now! Oct 24 20:33:40 I'd rather not... Oct 24 20:55:56 hi, does your freerunner work without a battery, with just the power chord attached? I'm trying to figure out whether my battery is broken Oct 24 20:56:14 ...or the whole phone Oct 24 20:56:20 hannes-s: yeah mine works w/o battery Oct 24 20:56:37 sh*t :/ Oct 24 20:56:48 huh? Oct 24 20:57:02 hannes-s: i have had issues with shoddy usb cords, fwiw Oct 24 20:57:03 it has to be booted for it to charge Oct 24 20:57:16 or it's possible your battery completely discharged Oct 24 20:57:17 it "should" work without battery (except for the gsm part), yes Oct 24 20:57:18 and it cannot even boot Oct 24 20:58:36 no, it doesn't show any sign of life. the battery is completely discharged (just ~2V between + and cc), but i guessed it should work with just the power chord attached. Oct 24 20:59:11 the chord isn't broken, as I can measure some voltage ( Oct 24 20:59:15 (~1.6V) Oct 24 20:59:39 battery needs more juice to jumpstart it Oct 24 21:01:31 hannes-s: do you have a nokia phone battery? Oct 24 21:01:46 no :/ Oct 24 21:02:09 Do you have a lightning storm, a mountain castle, and an assistant called Igor? Oct 24 21:02:45 yeah, but unfortunately Igor is out on holiday ;-) Oct 24 21:03:23 any other ideas on how I could check the phone without a working battery? Oct 24 21:03:59 hannes-s: got a lab PSU? Oct 24 21:05:17 what's a _lab_ PSU? Oct 24 21:05:36 hannes-s: a power supply with variable voltage and current, and typically readouts of both. Oct 24 21:06:05 in particular, configurable ability to limit current Oct 24 21:06:29 nope, just the standard-psu and a multimeter Oct 24 21:06:38 it's variable Oct 24 21:07:31 It's possible to do it with a resistor and a USB lead, but unless you know, I wouldn't recommend it. Oct 24 21:10:21 sounds a little too risky for me, i guess Oct 24 21:10:39 hannes-s: try: insert battery, hold Aux, insert USB cable. See if you can get to the u-boot menu Oct 24 21:10:42 Have you left it plugged in while on USB conenctred? Oct 24 21:12:19 SpeedEvil, yes, about 24hrs, but nothing happened Oct 24 21:13:36 hannes-s: :( Oct 24 21:13:42 mmontour, doesn't work Oct 24 21:18:08 Mmontour! Oct 24 21:22:50 if you have more applications than fits on one home screen, how do you see next page? Oct 24 21:32:06 anyone know when gta 3 is supposed to be released? Oct 24 21:32:45 never Oct 24 21:32:47 :p Oct 24 21:32:52 Not for quite some time. Oct 24 21:33:06 hmmm, that's what I thought Oct 24 21:33:27 but you sound like you're sure Oct 24 21:33:35 why for some time? Oct 24 21:34:10 gta 1 is the 1973, right? Oct 24 21:34:34 yes Oct 24 21:34:56 let's see the time difference between that and the freerunner then... Oct 24 21:35:09 hah Oct 24 21:35:19 that might not be a bad estimate (for starters) :P Oct 24 21:35:31 badcloud: GTA02 is not even working properly, it is going to be at least a year until GTA03 imho Oct 24 21:35:46 right Oct 24 21:35:59 just out of curiosity, what are some of the loose ends? Oct 24 21:36:14 *sigh* seems i can't force myself to wait for the gta04 then Oct 24 21:36:17 "not even working properly" is a bit harsh. There are still issues that need to be resolved. Oct 24 21:36:43 04? they haven't come out with 03 Oct 24 21:36:45 the same procedure to link with ssh today doesn't work...:-( Oct 24 21:37:04 badcloud: suspend+resume, GSM stability, power management (user-space stuff), full userspace stack Oct 24 21:38:06 wow, that's a mouthful Oct 24 21:38:23 nah, sw-pillepalle. Buzz is a PITA e.g. Oct 24 21:38:37 looks like there's still a lot of work until the phone is close to being comfortable Oct 24 21:39:28 as far as 1973 and FR, the distance is a year apart Oct 24 21:39:49 even though that might not be good basis for predicting when 03 would show up Oct 24 21:40:26 sure it's not Oct 24 21:40:46 but I'll wait until the end of time before I buy a closed interface phone like iphone Oct 24 21:40:51 regardless of hardware Oct 24 21:43:37 soldering 0402 killed my brain, back, and eyes. *yawn* Oct 24 21:44:02 heh, try 0201s Oct 24 21:44:08 lol Oct 24 21:44:32 those feckers stick onto the soldering iron Oct 24 21:44:41 yup Oct 24 21:44:46 :-/ Oct 24 21:45:22 iron is an utterly unmatced tool for SMT Oct 24 21:45:34 heh, 0201 sounds like no fun Oct 24 21:45:44 lost connection Oct 24 21:45:48 sorry Oct 24 21:45:57 DocScrutinizer2: when all you have is a hammer... Oct 24 21:47:07 make hammerade? Oct 24 21:47:23 gnnhnnhn, kill 500,000 0402 with one hit of hammer :-) Oct 24 21:48:00 oh there's only about 20000 on a 6" reel Oct 24 21:48:07 ...it's time to fix an iPhone Oct 24 21:48:24 the tape takes up a /lot/ more space than the components contained therein Oct 24 21:48:37 99.999% is tape Oct 24 21:49:21 wonder how many 0201 you'd fit in a cubic centimetre Oct 24 21:49:33 lessee... 0201 = approx 0.5mm x 0.25mm Oct 24 21:49:43 x 0.25mm Oct 24 21:50:08 so 32 in a cubic mm Oct 24 21:50:27 50,000 Oct 24 21:50:29 32k in a cubic cm. yow. that's mindboggling. Oct 24 21:50:49 usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr fa:34:68:61:5d:4a Oct 24 21:50:49 inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 Oct 24 21:50:49 inet6 addr: fe80::f834:68ff:fe61:5d4a/64 Scope:Link Oct 24 21:50:49 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Oct 24 21:50:49 RX packets:13 errors:18868 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 Oct 24 21:50:54 why all this errors? Oct 24 21:52:08 is pyroute usable on the freerunner? Oct 24 21:52:30 it looks really nice, but on wikipedia it says that pyroute on the fr would be slow Oct 24 21:53:49 please help i'm disperate :-/ Oct 24 21:54:20 this afternoon i try only udhcpc Oct 24 21:54:48 ...now ssh does'nt work...where i wrong? Oct 24 22:06:36 opentrinity: tried different cable? Oct 24 22:14:28 hi all Oct 24 22:15:13 I have installed Om2008.8_updates (on an SD card), then opkg update && opkg upgrade and w00t - the application icons are *small* Oct 24 22:15:43 wheree/how can I make them nice'n'big again (I think they were 64x64, now they're 16x16) Oct 24 22:16:01 I've been asking google but to no avail Oct 24 22:16:33 #openmoko_pl Oct 24 22:16:36 argh Oct 24 22:25:16 KenYoung! Oct 24 22:25:46 Hi Dave - How are things with you tonight? Oct 24 22:26:48 Alright :) Oct 24 22:26:53 Going out in a bit. Oct 24 22:27:06 I'll try to check out the night sky ;) Oct 24 22:27:20 Good good good! Oct 24 22:27:25 It's overcast Oct 24 22:27:26 but we'll see Oct 24 22:27:33 It's really hard to see anything around the city :\ Oct 24 22:27:48 fucking light pollution :( Oct 24 22:27:49 Which city? Oct 24 22:27:58 Any city... Oct 24 22:28:02 True :P Oct 24 22:28:05 (NYC) Oct 24 22:28:17 though I must say, some light pollution can be good Oct 24 22:28:31 How so? Oct 24 22:28:44 I really did like those September Eleventh memorialistic 0.5MW Lights they had up on 9/11 this year Oct 24 22:28:47 :P Oct 24 22:28:54 Don't need to take out flashlight to look for keys? ;) Oct 24 22:28:57 I was more impressed by the power requirements, but yeah it was nice :P Oct 24 22:29:42 I can't quite bring myself to say light pollution is ever good. Oct 24 22:30:02 heh, true :p Oct 24 22:30:07 it can look nice a lot of the time Oct 24 22:30:10 but yeah, it's never great Oct 24 22:30:16 and mostly due to stupid designs Oct 24 22:30:37 When I was a kid, I shot out the streetlights near my house. Oct 24 22:33:15 hahaha Oct 24 22:33:22 You're such a rebel :p Oct 24 22:37:52 hi again Oct 24 22:37:59 Greetings Oct 24 22:38:21 I have an Om2008.8_update on an SD card Oct 24 22:38:31 I have made an opkg upgrade and now: Oct 24 22:38:42 1. app icons in Home are tiny Oct 24 22:38:59 2. Settings manager (settings-daemon) hangs upon starting Oct 24 22:38:59 mwester here? Oct 24 22:39:09 hah Oct 24 22:39:18 that doesn't sound too good Oct 24 22:39:24 3. Installation GUI (assasin) does not start Oct 24 22:39:25 Uh oh, IT'S YOU Oct 24 22:39:49 basically 1 and 3 are non-issues for me Oct 24 22:39:54 Yes, it's me. You didn't expect to see ME again, did you? Oct 24 22:39:55 but I need settings manager Oct 24 22:40:10 any ideas? google doesn't help much here Oct 24 22:41:53 Hahaha Oct 24 22:42:03 Have you retarted since your opkg upgrade, rysiek? Oct 24 22:42:15 hah, at least 3 times ;) Oct 24 22:42:40 strace tells me it hangs on poll() call Oct 24 22:42:51 oh Oct 24 22:42:52 hmm Oct 24 22:43:00 that sounds normal Oct 24 22:43:06 but that it's not receiving a signal Oct 24 22:43:13 or something isn't connecting properly Oct 24 22:43:16 as we can tell :) Oct 24 22:43:25 thank you captain obvious ;) Oct 24 22:48:12 hah, sorry :) Oct 24 22:48:32 It's my job! ;) Oct 24 22:48:55 no prob Oct 24 22:56:51 Gran Hermano 24 Horas Directo Gratis http://www.granhermano10-gh10.blogspot.com/ Oct 24 23:07:01 Gran Hermano 24 Horas Directo Gratis http://www.granhermano10-gh10.blogspot.com/ Oct 24 23:10:07 hmm Oct 24 23:10:46 what feed do I need to add to my Om2008.8_update to get python-optparse, pyton-pyrtc, python-pyyaml and framework-config Oct 24 23:11:15 check the wiki Oct 24 23:11:26 yeah, doing that Oct 24 23:11:28 but should be point to downloads.openmoko.org Oct 24 23:14:25 Multiverse-feed.conf arch.conf om-gta02-feed.conf all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf angstrom-feed.conf neo1973-feed.conf Oct 24 23:14:29 my feeds Oct 24 23:15:22 hmm Oct 24 23:15:23 okay Oct 24 23:15:35 no python-pyyaml available, though: * Cannot find package python-pyyaml. Oct 24 23:16:28 uhh Oct 24 23:16:35 check in the celtune repository? Oct 24 23:18:02 checking Oct 24 23:19:23 :D Oct 24 23:19:31 Chances are it's in there. Oct 24 23:19:41 But it's not necessarily the latest version. Oct 24 23:20:03 bullseye Oct 24 23:20:06 :D Oct 24 23:20:20 Celtune generally tends to house the packages missing from the main OM feeds :) Oct 24 23:21:11 got it, I will comply ;) Oct 24 23:24:26 can't find optparser, though Oct 24 23:24:38 :x Oct 24 23:24:40 there's always something Oct 24 23:24:47 you can always try to opkg search for it Oct 24 23:24:56 opkg search *optparser* Oct 24 23:24:56 ? Oct 24 23:25:14 null and void Oct 24 23:25:27 o.O Oct 24 23:25:28 :| Oct 24 23:25:29 oh well Oct 24 23:25:59 I remember I had the bugger Oct 24 23:26:06 hmmm Oct 24 23:30:07 pyyaml also not here Oct 24 23:30:09 ffs Oct 24 23:30:14 time to go to sleep Oct 24 23:40:15 hi everybody Oct 24 23:41:38 i have a simple question: is it possible to wake up the phione after some defined time? let's say that when it's in suspend i want to wake it up every 10 minutes and then put it back to sleep, is it possible? Oct 24 23:44:33 see if your firmware has "atd" Oct 24 23:50:10 ohh mwester thanks for your kernels! :D Oct 24 23:50:31 well i know "at" and similar (cron crontab,...) Oct 24 23:50:49 but do they works when the FR is in suspend mode? Oct 24 23:51:32 can i do "at now+10minutes wakeup.sh ; apm -s" or something similar? Oct 24 23:52:12 m0nt0: have some modem call you every 10 mins Oct 24 23:52:35 lol not a good solution Oct 24 23:53:01 also mine wants to be a bad workaround for the wsod Oct 24 23:54:02 in my case it happends when the phone is in suspend for more than 20mins, so i'd like to wake it up and then send it bak to sleep after a second when it's in suspend Oct 24 23:54:24 it's not good, but the battery should last enought this way Oct 24 23:56:01 creative solution... Oct 24 23:56:54 And yes, if the atd (or equivalent for your firmware) does it correctly, it should set the RTC to wake the device at the correct time. Oct 24 23:57:32 mwester, yeah a dirty workaround, but it could work :D Oct 24 23:59:02 tomorro there is the linux day (don't know if only in italy) and i want to get my FR with me, but i need a phone and the batery should last at least 10 hours, whithout suspend is really difficult Oct 25 00:04:41 do I use Aux or PwrBtn to move down in uBoot options? Oct 25 00:04:56 Aux Oct 25 00:05:02 Pwr selects Oct 25 00:05:10 great ... thx Oct 25 00:05:16 er, I mean, Pwr executes the selected item Oct 25 00:06:32 where are in 2008.x the button behaviour defined? Oct 25 00:09:27 argh .... my attempt at running fdom from sd failed :/ Oct 25 00:09:36 s3c2410: debugfs dir creation failed -19 Oct 25 00:09:36 Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel Oct 25 00:10:08 you broke it. Oct 25 00:10:22 You'll have to send it to me, now. Oct 25 00:10:25 hmmm ... how ? Oct 25 00:10:26 haha Oct 25 00:10:51 I have a replacement for you, already set up to boot from SD. Oct 25 00:10:52 that was not a: 'how do i send it to you?' ;p Oct 25 00:11:15 (never mind that the replacement is a european-only Neo1973) Oct 25 00:11:17 i'm sure there's a catch Oct 25 00:11:43 * mwester suspects that this won't work. Oct 25 00:12:07 hehe ... you should've waited a couple of hrs ... i might've been tired enough Oct 25 00:12:17 and perhaps fed up with this :p Oct 25 00:12:19 First thing to check is the rootfs= in your u-boot options. Oct 25 00:12:22 sicu: the debugfs warning is a red herring, i've hit it too and it's fixed in current kernel (the warning only) :p Oct 25 00:13:11 Make sure that you have the correct partition specified. Oct 25 00:13:28 and how/where do i do that? Oct 25 00:13:46 where you set it in the first place . Oct 25 00:13:49 u-boot. Oct 25 00:13:53 just received my mSD today ... so this is all new to me Oct 25 00:14:00 hmmm... Oct 25 00:14:23 ok, so did you change any u-boot env vars? Oct 25 00:14:26 i've been using internal flash uptil now Oct 25 00:14:29 nope ... Oct 25 00:14:36 Ah. Oct 25 00:14:50 oh no. Oct 25 00:15:33 Ah. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD <--- very helpful page. Oct 25 00:15:43 (thought it got deleted, but I just can't spell) Oct 25 00:15:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Populate_SD_card told me that it might not be necessary Oct 25 00:16:02 but guess i will have to =] Oct 25 00:16:18 biatchez! Oct 25 00:17:06 sicu: You should at least check to make sure it's right. Oct 25 00:17:26 hehe ... guess i will have to now :p Oct 25 00:17:26 If the boot entry is right in u-boot, then check your new root filesystem to make sure that it is laid out correctly. Oct 25 00:17:39 ok ... thanks Oct 25 00:20:27 hmm Oct 25 00:20:44 * mwester hums along Oct 25 00:20:56 someone here who could tell me why gsm0710muxd has had its initscript removed? Oct 25 00:21:13 Does anything use it? Oct 25 00:21:33 FSO? ASU? Qtopia? Oct 25 00:21:56 yo momma? Oct 25 00:22:35 'twas a serious question, really. Trying to help... Oct 25 00:24:27 But in any case, AFAIK Qtopia doesn't use an external mux, and neither did ASU (it uses the Qtopia framework), and last time I looked FSO has its own internal python mux that was not a separate executable. Hence the question. Oct 25 00:36:48 oh Oct 25 00:37:08 mwester: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=295 Oct 25 00:37:26 this is a tutorial for getting gprs running with a gui Oct 25 00:37:44 along with easy management of wlan (??) Oct 25 00:39:32 i want to have gprs running. simply and reliable switched on and off. without cl-interaction - e.g. with gui. and being callable at the same time. Oct 25 00:45:16 oh Oct 25 00:45:20 and that all in 2008.9 Oct 25 00:45:32 btw - when is the next point release scheduled? Oct 25 00:52:37 mwester: does this look ok for having followed the wiki?: http://pastebin.com/d7ee351b6 Oct 25 00:55:24 mwester: i set partition1 as fat and partition2 as ext2 Oct 25 00:57:43 do i have to write: uImage.bin or is ${sd_image_name} ok? Oct 25 00:58:24 sigh .... guess i'm too tired ... will try this stuff tomorrow i guess Oct 25 01:11:56 raster: how's your treo doing? Oct 25 01:12:37 raster: any success with gsmd2? Oct 25 01:39:20 when will be the next release? Oct 25 02:09:22 woot, I just got a sweet new tiny flexible keyboard for my FR Oct 25 02:11:52 the layout is a bit odd...it's kind of lacking the home/end/pgup/pgdn Oct 25 02:12:04 o well Oct 25 02:23:59 there really should have been a usb adapter included with the phone, especially considering the price Oct 25 02:26:42 gurugentoo, What kind of adapter? Oct 25 02:27:06 usb A to micro usb Oct 25 02:27:43 to let you plug in devices Oct 25 02:27:50 like a keyboard Oct 25 02:28:08 gurugentoo, OK, I understand now. Oct 25 02:46:57 wow, 900 finally back in stock **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 25 02:59:57 2008