**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 25 02:59:57 2008
Oct 25 04:40:31 <poisonapples> is the problem with 3g sim cards hardware or software?
Oct 25 07:42:23 <pantsd_> I want to re-build wpa_supplicant package, is there an easy way to do that without doing a full mokomake or bb equivalent?
Oct 25 08:01:41 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r55a9541182f5 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme-asu_svn.bb: illume-theme-asu: fix install argument
Oct 25 09:05:27 <Zoup> Eth0 is not detected and i got crcfail 0x1a3f on boot , any idea ? :)
Oct 25 09:38:25 <_hps> Hi.
Oct 25 09:38:43 <_hps> Is there any cure for this:
Oct 25 09:38:46 <_hps> root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# assassin 
Oct 25 09:38:46 <_hps> killall: packagekitd: no process killed
Oct 25 09:38:46 <_hps> DEBUG: (pkutil.c, 90): pk_e_dbus_init: E_DBUS initialing. 
Oct 25 09:38:46 <_hps> DEBUG: (pkutil.c, 179): pk_repos_ping: Get Network status online
Oct 25 09:38:46 <_hps> DEBUG: (dbupdate.c, 93): db_update_timestamp_check: The timestamp is 1224916067, now =1224919368
Oct 25 09:38:47 <_hps> DEBUG: (gears.c, 77): put_a_dim_on_screen: Put the dim on
Oct 25 09:38:49 <_hps> assassin: symbol lookup error: assassin: undefined symbol: evas_list_append
Oct 25 10:04:46 <PBeck> hi
Oct 25 10:05:23 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r69146d9c7fcc 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme-illume_svn.bb: illume-theme-illume: fix install argument
Oct 25 10:29:45 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2ee1b9ce0640 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/ (5 files): 
Oct 25 10:29:45 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add a dummy python script
Oct 25 10:29:45 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Initial code to invoke functions from python scripts.
Oct 25 10:31:47 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r518d4715d116 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: Oops. Forgot to add the test script
Oct 25 11:03:07 <bove3> what kernels are one supposed to use with fso?
Oct 25 11:12:57 <leachim_dot_eu> hi
Oct 25 11:13:24 <leachim_dot_eu> everybody know wehre i can get this style: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a021c845b2f5bc5f98e3b6a78ad925f7.png ???
Oct 25 11:13:53 <leachim_dot_eu> *where
Oct 25 11:22:09 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r57a30b1ec3bb 10/fsod/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
Oct 25 11:22:09 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: Add acinclude.m4
Oct 25 11:22:09 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: TODO: use this and create a vapi around config.h to remove hardcoding of paths
Oct 25 11:25:44 <Kensan> mwester: ping
Oct 25 11:25:48 <Kensan> mwester: did you see http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/openmoko-kernel.git ?
Oct 25 12:04:34 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rc9630bddaddf 10/init-fso-gpsd: Cleanup
Oct 25 12:04:35 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r3a59185dc564 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac fso-gpsd.c): Removed dependency on dbus-1
Oct 25 12:04:35 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r8f82d35ae83f 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.7
Oct 25 12:24:22 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4728 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/config/e.src: update to match upstream's first. known issue: icons wont show up.
Oct 25 12:27:22 <Zoup> any idea on this ? : https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2084 
Oct 25 12:52:13 <ccube> hi
Oct 25 12:52:18 <ccube> someone on here?
Oct 25 13:01:44 <Soulnoob> So... I'm not supposed to use a FSO kernel with FDOM?
Oct 25 13:02:22 <Zoup> Soulnoob: FDOM kernel is the same as Om2008.9 one
Oct 25 13:02:30 <Zoup> Soulnoob: FDOM has no kernel for its own 
Oct 25 13:02:48 <Zoup> Soulnoob: if you can use om2008 kernel with FSO , Fdom one will work too :) 
Oct 25 13:03:28 <Soulnoob> I think I have a FSO one on it now...
Oct 25 13:04:35 <Zoup> Soulnoob: no problem if FSO is working with om2008 
Oct 25 13:11:56 <Soulnoob> Hehe... allright. It's partly working, but that can be said about the phone in general.
Oct 25 13:12:39 <peter_b> hi
Oct 25 13:12:55 <peter_b> ig got poblems setting up uboot for debian
Oct 25 13:13:09 <peter_b> uboot-envedit always gives me a crc error
Oct 25 13:13:18 <peter_b> maybe because dfu-utild gives dfu_upload error -110
Oct 25 13:13:27 <peter_b> while reading env.orig
Oct 25 13:13:34 <peter_b> any ideas ?
Oct 25 13:27:28 <ccube> Hi
Oct 25 13:27:40 <ccube> which kernel is able  to boot my NEO?
Oct 25 13:27:42 <ccube> (GTA01)
Oct 25 13:28:01 <ccube> it always hangs on the message: Starting Kernel...
Oct 25 13:28:06 <ccube> then nothing happens
Oct 25 13:28:07 <ccube> :(
Oct 25 13:35:12 <ccube> nobody can help`
Oct 25 13:40:07 <balrog-k2n> ccube: which kernel is that?
Oct 25 13:40:52 <johngay> Mornin' everybody.
Oct 25 13:41:53 <ccube> 2.6.24
Oct 25 13:42:15 <ccube> i just recognized, that GTA01 isnt able to run 2008.8
Oct 25 13:42:16 <ccube> :(
Oct 25 13:42:40 <ccube> so i think, that i need an older release and older kernel
Oct 25 13:42:47 <ccube> is this correct?
Oct 25 13:42:51 <ccube> mmh
Oct 25 13:42:57 <balrog-k2n> ccube: it should be able to... just with special gta01 images
Oct 25 13:42:58 <ccube> or just a newer phone! :-D
Oct 25 13:43:05 <ccube> oh, nice
Oct 25 13:43:05 <balrog-k2n> and with the same kernel
Oct 25 13:43:20 <ccube> but where to get them?
Oct 25 13:43:35 <viq> ccube: you need a kernel marked for gta01
Oct 25 13:43:51 <balrog-k2n> somewhere at downloads.openmoko.org i hink
Oct 25 13:44:48 <ccube> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
Oct 25 13:44:56 <ccube> this looks correct
Oct 25 13:45:46 <viq> I guess
Oct 25 13:45:54 <ccube> ok, thanks a lot
Oct 25 13:45:55 <ccube> ill try
Oct 25 13:46:14 <ccube> :)
Oct 25 13:47:47 <johngay> Anyone play with Android since the sources were released?
Oct 25 13:51:50 <sicu> johngay: check http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/phase-one-of-porting-android-done.html and ML
Oct 25 13:54:20 <ccube> it just booted!! :)
Oct 25 13:54:44 <sicu> ccube: =]
Oct 25 13:55:46 <johngay> Cool! Glad to see progress so quickly!
Oct 25 14:02:33 <johngay> I had a slight fear that because it was from Google, there might be some resistance. Glad to see this community is above such pettyness (-;
Oct 25 14:03:12 <leinir> Community is too big to be made up only of zealots :)
Oct 25 14:06:00 <lindi-> i'm still bit sceptical on if it really is free software
Oct 25 14:07:41 * mwester is eager to see his phone work properly, and world hunger abolished.
Oct 25 14:08:36 <johngay> Hey mwester! I finally got around to flashing your kernel, modules and gtk fixes on my phone yesterday. I
Oct 25 14:08:44 * leinir is with mwester on those two ;)
Oct 25 14:09:04 * mwester was being sarcastic ;)
Oct 25 14:09:08 <johngay> 'm hoping to notice battery life-time improvements.
Oct 25 14:09:41 <mwester> I doubt you'll see that, other than perhaps as side-effects from slightly more stability ;)
Oct 25 14:10:11 <johngay> Well, a little is better than nothing.
Oct 25 14:10:27 <mwester> True enough.
Oct 25 14:10:39 <johngay> I still haven't found anything I like better than 2007.2 ATM.
Oct 25 14:12:02 <Dave> Me neither :)
Oct 25 14:13:31 <johngay> Alltough I am interested in trying qtExt. But I'm not willing to flash over my working set-up.
Oct 25 14:13:39 <Dave> sicu!
Oct 25 14:13:57 <Dave> leinir :)
Oct 25 14:14:09 * leinir curtsies to Dave :)
Oct 25 14:14:38 <leinir> QtExt works rather nicely - glitchy in places, sure, but the functionality is solid :)
Oct 25 14:15:20 <johngay> And if I could get a rootfs tarball to test on SD, I'd give it a trial.
Oct 25 14:16:03 <Dave> :D
Oct 25 14:17:24 <johngay> However, ljp says I should wait till the next update and ljp's the expert when it comes to QT around here (-;
Oct 25 14:18:06 <leinir> Not so sure about that, i think he'd likely know more about Qt than QT ;)
Oct 25 14:18:55 <Dave> leinir is qt ;)
Oct 25 14:19:09 * leinir uses it, and is happy that way ;)
Oct 25 14:19:18 <Dave> sure thing, QT
Oct 25 14:19:35 <cjb_ie> why not qT ... just to get all the variants in
Oct 25 14:19:51 <Dave> cjb :p
Oct 25 14:20:17 <johngay> As I said, I'd like to try it, but not enough to flash over the set-up I'm happy with.
Oct 25 14:20:27 <Dave> Whee, time to make jack-o-lanterns!
Oct 25 14:20:59 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4729 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
Oct 25 14:20:59 <CIA-49> openmoko: update illume-theme-asu to match upstream changes. big thanks to
Oct 25 14:20:59 <CIA-49> openmoko: raster.
Oct 25 14:21:21 <Dave> :D
Oct 25 14:21:25 <Dave> go go rasterman
Oct 25 14:22:55 <lindi-> has anyone experience on removing invisible shield in order to remove some dirt under it?
Oct 25 14:24:18 * raster points at john lee
Oct 25 14:24:20 <raster> he did it
Oct 25 14:24:28 <raster> me - i'm busy on e17 stuffsors
Oct 25 14:25:11 <raster> busy adding in pages to the first run wiz
Oct 25 14:25:55 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4730 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/build.sh: hmm not necessary to touch build.sh. revert it.
Oct 25 14:39:34 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * re0239578acda 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add illume-theme-illume (from raster)
Oct 25 14:39:35 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r71109c25eca7 10/packages/e17/e-wm_svn.bb: e-wm: fix merge error
Oct 25 14:39:35 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r23b56fb6dd0e 10/packages/e17/illume-theme-illume_svn.bb: illume-theme-illume: update PV to match the om format
Oct 25 14:39:36 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r26f1c7148a9c 10/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): illume-config: this package should not exist anymore.
Oct 25 14:39:39 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r6e18b2b89d16 10/packages/e17/illume_svn.bb: illume: add illume-config-illume, but not illume-config-asu. Planning
Oct 25 14:39:42 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r12cebcb435f3 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme-asu_svn.bb: illume-theme-asu: add correct DEPENDS
Oct 25 14:39:45 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r68fdd1bd1fbb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume-theme-asu: update srcrev to use the latest.
Oct 25 14:45:45 <q0b> quit
Oct 25 14:45:49 <q0b> ups.. sorry.. ;)))
Oct 25 14:46:11 <sigius> Why are these updates (by CIA-49) send to openmoko and not to openmoko-cdevel ?
Oct 25 14:48:13 <mwester> Because openmoko owns those.
Oct 25 14:48:44 <lindi-> sigius: they are sent to both?
Oct 25 14:49:05 <mwester> FSO are sent to both; AFAIK openmoko only sends here.
Oct 25 14:50:13 <sigius> yes, that looks about right (looking at irc history)
Oct 25 15:42:31 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4731 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc: 
Oct 25 15:42:31 <CIA-49> openmoko: It's okay to leave the MOD: ILLUME CFG part there. It won't show up
Oct 25 15:42:31 <CIA-49> openmoko: unless user enabled the gadget.
Oct 25 15:45:06 <Dave> oh snaps!
Oct 25 15:49:30 <freelock> hey there...
Oct 25 15:49:46 <freelock> anybody know if a debug version for a freerunner works with a neo?
Oct 25 15:49:58 <freelock> debug board I mean
Oct 25 15:53:27 <Fiyuri> http://www.clanplanet.de/_sites/index.asp?rn=&clanid=10972
Oct 25 15:53:39 <Infoport> freelock I'm pretty sure that the debug board is good for both gta01 and gta02 (as well as the Nokia N770 and the N810, and probably other stuff too)
Oct 25 15:53:53 <freelock> great, thanks
Oct 25 15:55:00 <Infoport> freelock I have the gta02, but I'm positive that the debug board is compatible with all, and have just been updated over time to be better and better
Oct 25 15:56:03 <freelock> I have a new employee who has a freerunner and debug board, so this is great news... means I can get more adventurous with u-boot stuff and he can bail me out!
Oct 25 15:57:05 <Infoport> freelock I havent gotten a lot of use out of my board-- set it up, started to use it once, but with FR it really isnt needed unless you plan on doing some serious low-level debugging, or *really* want to change the NOR u-boot (which I might tweak sometime in the future)
Oct 25 15:58:32 <Infoport> later folks!
Oct 25 16:00:03 <lindi-> Infoport: is it too late to ask if you have managed to record audio?
Oct 25 16:00:15 <lindi-> Infoport: here i just get kernel crash with arecord
Oct 25 16:03:12 <nemik> so for starting a new app to be distributed around, what would be the best SDK to use for this? QT?
Oct 25 16:03:53 <nemik> i guess in that case it could be used both on the 2008.x firmwares and qtopia, right?
Oct 25 16:04:33 <haakeyar> Just walked home here in rainy Norway, and even though I put my freerunner in my rainjacket pocket, it got really wet. When I got home, I immediately switched it off, unplugged the battery and wiped as much as possible of the water with toilet paper.
Oct 25 16:04:54 <haakeyar> Any tips for what more I could do to make sure it stays alive?
Oct 25 16:05:17 <haakeyar> Removing the front of the case maybe?
Oct 25 16:05:19 <Sup3rkiddo> haakeyar, dry it...really well...(no...microwave doesnt work)
Oct 25 16:05:21 <lindi-> haakeyar: if you have torx screwdriver i guess you could disassemble it more
Oct 25 16:07:27 <nemik> haakeyar: yes, disassemble more with torx and blow-dry gently (not too clase to components though) over a dry cloth. should be fine then
Oct 25 16:08:13 <cjb_ie> i hear oven at 50 deg C is good for such things if you can't get them open
Oct 25 16:09:12 <haakeyar> Ok, thanks. Hopefully I have a torx screwdriver lying around somewhere.
Oct 25 16:12:28 <Zoup> anyone problem with eth0 to be not detected ?
Oct 25 16:16:00 <nemik> so using 'opkg-target update' refers to Testing repo by default, but it gives me 404's. how do i change this to 2008.8 or something?
Oct 25 16:25:36 <evolux> i would like to write an application that does a live spectral analysis of data (for example) from the microphone and displays it on screen. is sdl a good choice (stable enough) for the graphics part?
Oct 25 16:25:58 <haakeyar> I didn't find any fitting screwdrives. I found several with the right shape (called torx?), but all were too big. I managed to unscrew one of the screws with a different screwdriver, but the other one is stuck and I don't want to use too much force with a screwdriver that doesn't fit properly.
Oct 25 16:26:29 <haakeyar> So... Oven at 50 deg c, as cjb_ie said. Is that a good idea?
Oct 25 16:29:09 <nemik> haakeyar: with so much plastic...i'm not sure i'd do that
Oct 25 16:49:18 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: '#openmoko.10-06.log:03:12 < DocScrutinizer> sure, set up arecord to record from ADC, and here you go'
Oct 25 16:50:01 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: does this mean you are not affected by http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2073?
Oct 25 16:56:39 <leinir> Right, time for everybody to air their opinion on the whole touchscreen vs/plus qwerty situation :)
Oct 25 17:04:56 <d-b> touchscreen + usb keyboard ftw
Oct 25 17:06:57 <leinir> touchscreen + slider keyboard ftw, where ftw means "good, except that it means mechanical parts, something which historically has proven itself breakage-prone" ;)
Oct 25 17:10:07 <leinir> which is why i voted 3 - smaller hvga touchscreen (i.e. same DPI, slightly smaller screen), plus hardware thumbfriendly qwertykeyboard ftw ;)
Oct 25 17:13:00 <SpeedEvil> Fuller face screen then the iphone, with SAW display with diamond coated front.
Oct 25 17:14:18 <d-b> SpeedEvil: oh yeah baby.
Oct 25 17:15:14 <Dave> :o
Oct 25 17:15:28 <Zorkman> Davidov!
Oct 25 17:15:33 <Dave> o.O
Oct 25 17:15:37 <Zorkman> how your prehistoric 2007.2 feeling today? :)
Oct 25 17:15:50 <Dave> Pretty fucking superior.
Oct 25 17:15:59 <leinir> Yes, a SAW display would absolutely rock :)
Oct 25 17:16:16 * Dave saws leinir
Oct 25 17:16:46 * leinir bleeds and stuff!
Oct 25 17:16:49 <nemik> so why does the sample app in the toolchain have pango dependencies pointing to "/home/build/..." ? damn this is frustrating
Oct 25 17:16:54 <Dave> :D
Oct 25 17:16:54 <leinir> Life on the bleeding edge... ;)
Oct 25 17:17:01 <Dave> DEBIAN
Oct 25 17:17:15 <SpeedEvil> SLACKWARE
Oct 25 17:17:37 <d-b> der-lehmann: 
Oct 25 17:17:42 <d-b> i meant debian
Oct 25 17:17:49 <d-b> ~apt
Oct 25 17:17:49 <apt> apt is probably not as cool as jbot
Oct 25 17:18:03 <SpeedEvil> ~jbot
Oct 25 17:18:04 <apt> jbot is probably a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or  [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass
Oct 25 17:18:37 <der-lehmann> d-b: yes?
Oct 25 17:18:58 <d-b> didn't mean to call your name i hit tab. sorry.
Oct 25 17:19:10 <SpeedEvil> http://www.falstad.com/circuits/transistors/oscillators/colpitts/ 404
Oct 25 17:19:13 <SpeedEvil> oops
Oct 25 17:19:26 <der-lehmann> no problem
Oct 25 17:38:47 <nicfer> I think that calls should be a separate service than networks
Oct 25 17:42:59 <nicfer> so you would be able to make calls no matter you use a wifi, gsm or 3G connection
Oct 25 17:43:47 <nicfer> althrough telephony service providers would be against it
Oct 25 17:48:32 <SpeedEvil> If your bill for calls goes down, your bill for data or rental goes up
Oct 25 17:58:26 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re1837a5a8ec8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/fsod-python-plugin.c: Add some error checking logic while loading python scripts
Oct 25 17:58:26 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re36d300c62e7 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/fsod-python-plugin.h: Remove a unnecessary declaration
Oct 25 18:22:58 <pd> hello
Oct 25 18:23:54 <pd> what shall i do next with cu -l /dev/ttyACM0? i have OM prompt on screen but nothing happend after exec command
Oct 25 18:25:42 <lindi-> pd: trying to talk to uboot?
Oct 25 18:25:50 <pd> lindi-: yes
Oct 25 18:26:30 <lindi-> pd: i use gnu screen with slowpaste 100 and picocom inside it
Oct 25 18:27:21 <pd> lindi-: ok but i get freeze after exec command
Oct 25 18:28:02 <lindi-> i'm trying to locate nandread instructions
Oct 25 18:29:00 <lindi-> pd: i don't use any 'exec' command with my uboot
Oct 25 18:29:25 <pd> lindi-: see output on http://paste-it.net/public/rb5e459/
Oct 25 18:31:16 <lindi-> exec is for executing uboot commands from memory?
Oct 25 18:31:35 <pd> lindi-: exec is shortcut from execute :)
Oct 25 18:31:43 <pd> this is not a uboot command 
Oct 25 18:32:13 <lindi-> oh
Oct 25 18:32:31 <lindi-> what command is it then?
Oct 25 18:32:51 <Dave> Hi Lindi :)
Oct 25 18:33:23 <pd> lindi-: i have fixed my issue :)
Oct 25 18:33:29 <lindi-> pd: what was it?
Oct 25 18:33:43 <pd> just set console to usb now and before to serial :D
Oct 25 19:09:07 <Zorkman> where can i find a kernel where the modules for usb are still in?
Oct 25 19:09:26 <Zorkman> i reflashed qt extended and used mwesters kernel, but i can't connect to it through usb
Oct 25 19:10:23 <lindi-> Zorkman: just add it yourself?
Oct 25 19:11:43 <Filip4BE> Zorkman: did you also download & install the modules from mwesters site ?
Oct 25 19:11:56 <Zorkman> Filip4BE: that was the problem i didn't do it
Oct 25 19:12:23 <Zorkman> don't feel much like reflashing today :)
Oct 25 19:12:34 <mwester> What do you mean about usb modules?  Which ones?
Oct 25 19:13:15 <Zorkman> mwester: I don't know:) connecting through usb just doesn't work anymore, I should have downloaded your files from the site but I overlooked it
Oct 25 19:13:57 <Zorkman> I thought it would be that g_ether stuff or whatever the name is and that I could just flash an older kernel that had all those things built in and not in modules
Oct 25 19:14:05 <mwester> If you mean to use networking over the usb port (i.e. ssh into the phone) those modules are built in to the kernel.
Oct 25 19:14:32 <Dave> Hello Mister Wester :)
Oct 25 19:14:32 <mwester> You'll have to look elsewhere for your trouble. :-o
Oct 25 19:14:52 <Zorkman> yeah no problem
Oct 25 19:14:59 <Zorkman> thanks for the kernel and the files anyway :)
Oct 25 19:15:26 <mwester> What makes you think that there are modules missing, then?
Oct 25 19:15:57 * mwester is totally confused now
Oct 25 19:16:27 <Filip4BE> Zorkman: have you already tried to unplug/replug usb ? 
Oct 25 19:16:38 <Zorkman> Filip4BE: yeah :)
Oct 25 19:16:49 <mwester> Ok - what does dmesg say on your host?
Oct 25 19:17:07 <Zorkman> mwester: i appreciate your help, but really, it isn't worth your time and troubles
Oct 25 19:17:13 <mwester> ?
Oct 25 19:17:16 <Zorkman> i'm going to reflash
Oct 25 19:17:23 <Zorkman> don't worry about it mwester :)
Oct 25 19:17:38 <Zorkman> i made a mistake
Oct 25 19:17:39 <mwester> Zorkman:  g_ether is built into the kernel -- your problems have nothing to do with the kernel or the modules.
Oct 25 19:17:46 <mwester> ok
Oct 25 19:18:04 <evolux> can someone tell me the mixer settings to use the built-in microphone via /dev/dsp?
Oct 25 19:18:50 <lindi-> evolux: /dev/dsp is OSS
Oct 25 19:18:58 <lindi-> evolux: use ALSA instead
Oct 25 19:20:46 <bernt> is there something for speech recognition?
Oct 25 19:21:01 <lindi-> bernt: quite broad question?
Oct 25 19:21:27 <bernt> software ... or so ;-)
Oct 25 19:22:18 <nemik> anyone running quemu with the 20081025 build?
Oct 25 19:22:58 <lindi-> bernt: sphinx maybe?
Oct 25 19:23:18 <nemik> after telling it to boot, instead of kernel it just takes me back to boot menu. but the kernel and rootfs images seems to be correct
Oct 25 19:23:28 <evolux> lindi-: i know, it's just for a quick hack
Oct 25 19:25:16 <evolux> hey, it works!
Oct 25 19:25:35 <Cervajz> Hi, do anybody have strange jerking when are you listing contact like me in Om2008.9?
Oct 25 19:25:45 <evolux> the question is now, how to package this little hack...
Oct 25 19:26:15 <Cervajz> (sorry for my english)
Oct 25 19:35:01 <CIA-49> openmoko: 03eldruin 07stable * r2b78a9413619 10/include/configs/smdk2440.h: uboot-fix-smdk2440-config.patch
Oct 25 20:03:30 <gurugentoo> are there any tricks to getting usb host mode working? I soldered my own cable and it's not seeing anything plugged in
Oct 25 20:03:44 <SpeedEvil> gurugentoo: have you twiddled the toggle?
Oct 25 20:04:06 <gurugentoo> echo'd host? yes
Oct 25 20:04:20 <gurugentoo> if that's what you mean
Oct 25 20:05:02 <gurugentoo> I get "-bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument" but dmesg shows "s3c2410: changing usb to host" so it looks like it was accepted
Oct 25 20:09:04 <spydon> gurugentoo, have you tried those scripts?
Oct 25 20:09:41 <mwester> gurugentoo:  what command give you that error; sounds like something went very wrong there.
Oct 25 20:10:07 <gurugentoo> echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode
Oct 25 20:10:17 <gurugentoo> gives me
Oct 25 20:10:21 <gurugentoo> -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
Oct 25 20:10:44 <gurugentoo> this is on debian...if that changes anything
Oct 25 20:10:56 <mwester> did you check your spaces (spaces on either side of "host" )
Oct 25 20:11:06 <timur_> what would be a reason for moko not being able to connect to a server and my laptop connecting successfully? both are on the same network. the server is 141.212.111.124 and it's listening on port 4323
Oct 25 20:11:17 <timur_> i can't even ping it on openmoko
Oct 25 20:11:20 <gurugentoo> mwester: no spaces
Oct 25 20:11:46 <SpeedEvil> timur_: you're connecting trough usb?
Oct 25 20:11:55 <timur_> SpeedEvil, no, wireless
Oct 25 20:11:59 <mwester> Try echo     "host"     >/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode        (spaced exagerated for clarity)
Oct 25 20:12:18 <timur_> i sshed to the moko to run the commands
Oct 25 20:12:21 <mwester> timur_:  gateway
Oct 25 20:12:32 <gurugentoo> mwester: same
Oct 25 20:13:02 <mwester> gurugentoo:  ok.  very strange.
Oct 25 20:13:12 <SpeedEvil> timur_: can you ping your wireless router?
Oct 25 20:13:14 <SpeedEvil> timur_: can you ping your wireless router?
Oct 25 20:13:17 <SpeedEvil> oops
Oct 25 20:13:21 <mwester> oops
Oct 25 20:13:23 <mwester> :p
Oct 25 20:13:47 <timur_> haha... used to be able to... doh now that went down
Oct 25 20:13:57 <gurugentoo> mwester: I'll try after a reboot?
Oct 25 20:14:14 <mwester> gurugentoo:  do you perhaps have something using that usb port in some other mode -- like perhaps you are ssh'd into it?
Oct 25 20:14:33 <gurugentoo> mwester: no, using wireless
Oct 25 20:14:38 <mwester> Ok
Oct 25 20:14:42 <mwester> what kernel?
Oct 25 20:14:45 <timur_> ok, i'll get back to you guys in a few
Oct 25 20:15:22 <gurugentoo> mwester: whichever debian installs by default, I can look...
Oct 25 20:16:52 <gurugentoo> mwester: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/uImage-2.6.24+r5+gitr1+ca19d156400f817960efe0d14680324b2ea34171-r5-om-gta02.bin
Oct 25 20:18:44 <timur_> all right, never mind guys :)
Oct 25 20:20:09 <gurugentoo> mwester: ok it now works after a reboot, still with that error 
Oct 25 20:38:43 <gurugentoo> how can I tell the backlight driver not to dim the screen when using a usb keyboard?
Oct 25 20:39:00 <gurugentoo> or have keyboard events keep it awake
Oct 25 20:42:21 <mwester> That would be a userspace thing, not the backlight driver.  the solution would depend on whichever distro you are using.
Oct 25 20:43:04 <gurugentoo> ah, it appears that killing zhone worked...I'll have to look into that
Oct 25 20:43:19 <gurugentoo> not the solution I was looking for really
Oct 25 20:46:03 <nomeata> Hi. Is Sebastian Ohl around here?
Oct 25 20:47:25 <Zorkman> how do i issue AT commands on Qtopia?
Oct 25 20:47:47 <Zorkman> i have The Bouncy Rubber Calypso bug
Oct 25 20:48:59 <Zorkman> or is there somewhere a working image with the ATLEEP=2 in it?
Oct 25 20:49:23 <Zorkman> AT% SLEEP=2 
Oct 25 20:50:44 <lindi-> Zorkman: you need an image to send a command to gsm?
Oct 25 20:51:58 <Zorkman> lindi-: no, but i can't find on the net how i can issue at commands in qtopia
Oct 25 20:56:24 <mwester> You can't :(
Oct 25 20:56:35 <lindi-> Zorkman: get the source and find some other AT command from it?
Oct 25 20:57:23 <Zorkman> lindi-: that is over my head :) I will have to wait...
Oct 25 21:00:10 <The> Hey, anyone here using the SHR?
Oct 25 21:04:41 <lindi-> Zorkman: grep -r AT .?
Oct 25 21:07:29 <The> Hello? Anyone here using the SHR distro?
Oct 25 21:08:59 <Zorkman> not me The
Oct 25 21:09:45 <The> craps
Oct 25 21:09:50 <The> i don't get a sim pin..
Oct 25 21:09:53 <The> dialog
Oct 25 21:38:20 <Shrimpy_> when i ssh into my phone it asks for the key password and i though there was not supposed to be a password. can anyone help thanks
Oct 25 21:38:34 <The> it is blank
Oct 25 21:38:36 <The> just press enter
Oct 25 21:38:55 <Shrimpy_> The: i have tired that but always seems to be  failure
Oct 25 21:39:00 <The> ok
Oct 25 21:39:02 <The> weir
Oct 25 21:39:03 <The> d
Oct 25 21:39:15 <Shrimpy_> any advise?
Oct 25 21:39:16 <Dave> o.O
Oct 25 21:39:16 <mwester> "key password"
Oct 25 21:39:18 <Zorkman> Shrimpy_: you sure you're ssh'in to the right address?
Oct 25 21:39:32 <Dave> Are we playing password right now? :D
Oct 25 21:39:55 <Soulnoob> Shrimpy: you have set a password on you rsa key
Oct 25 21:39:58 <Shrimpy_> Zorkman: postive. i dobule check the ip address with "ifconfig" before ssh
Oct 25 21:40:00 <Soulnoob> ?
Oct 25 21:40:04 <Zorkman> root@192.168.0.202
Oct 25 21:40:12 <Zorkman> did you add the "root"?
Oct 25 21:40:22 <zash> key?
Oct 25 21:40:29 <Shrimpy_> Zorkman: negative. let me try that. thanks
Oct 25 21:40:35 <Zorkman> maybe you're trying to log in as Shrimpy_@192.168.0.202
Oct 25 21:41:12 <Shrimpy_> Zorkman: thank you i'm stupid
Oct 25 21:41:24 <zash> sounds like something that you would get if you mess with public keys
Oct 25 21:41:37 <Zorkman> np, the noob power is high in me, I only thought about it because sometimes i also forget the "root" :)
Oct 25 21:41:59 <Shrimpy_> Zorkman: Well have a great night
Oct 25 21:42:03 <Dave> opkg install mwester
Oct 25 21:42:03 <Shrimpy_> others take care!
Oct 25 21:42:17 <Soulnoob> If you add a passphrase to your rsa key, you will need to enter it in order to use it. This is better than logging in via password, because it's done on your host.
Oct 25 21:43:55 * Soulnoob has just settled down after a exhausting moko field test. 
Oct 25 21:44:14 <Soulnoob> (Biking in hard wind)
Oct 25 21:44:38 <Soulnoob> I got my first wsod, too. :(
Oct 25 21:47:13 <mmu_man> anyone working on the android port to freerunner ?
Oct 25 21:47:26 <daMaestro> mmu_man, http://planet.openmoko.org/
Oct 25 21:47:36 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: yes, sean mcneil
Oct 25 21:47:50 <mmu_man> interesting
Oct 25 21:48:10 <mmu_man> I'll be trying to port Haiku, could help I suppose
Oct 25 21:49:13 <mmu_man> Thirdly all the hardware-specific code has to be replaced by function for calling the Neo FreeRunner hardware. Because the code in Android thinks he's talking to a HTC G1.
Oct 25 21:49:22 <mmu_man> ugh, they don't have any HAL ??
Oct 25 21:49:25 <mmu_man> that's lame
Oct 25 21:49:43 <mmu_man> I expected better from a team made from ex Be, Inc. engineers :D
Oct 25 21:56:13 <balrog-k2n> ugh, this android post is FUD
Oct 25 21:57:10 <mmu_man> ?
Oct 25 21:57:17 <mmu_man> care to develop ?
Oct 25 21:58:01 <balrog-k2n> well, there's nothing to do in porting the kernel to openmoko or the software to ARMv4
Oct 25 21:59:00 <mmu_man> there shouldn't be much asm code in it unless they are porting the asm generated from gcc I suppose :D
Oct 25 21:59:04 <balrog-k2n> you just a apply the patches and your kernel is ready... you just compile android for armv4 and it's ready... same as when you want to run ASU or FSO
Oct 25 21:59:27 <mmu_man> well maybe they have some asm optimized memcpy or other
Oct 25 21:59:36 <mmu_man> or maybe it's for the JVM
Oct 25 21:59:57 <mmu_man> AFAIK they have their own bastardized one
Oct 25 22:00:09 <balrog-k2n> yes, but it's cross platform
Oct 25 22:00:20 <balrog-k2n> i'd rather assume the author of the post has no idea what he's talking about
Oct 25 22:00:46 <mmu_man> eh
Oct 25 22:01:38 <tomboy64> ugh?
Oct 25 22:01:54 <mmu_man> oh
Oct 25 22:03:23 <mwester> balrog-k2n:  Since I don't know to what you refer, I cannot comment specifically.  But, I can state that there ARE very specific parts of the patches for Android that use ARM assembly, and DO require rewriting for OM.
Oct 25 22:03:58 <balrog-k2n> mwester: you mean kernel patches?
Oct 25 22:03:58 <mwester> And yes that's stupid, but I presume Android had deadlines and left that up to the community to fix, much like Om has left a whole lot for us to fix.
Oct 25 22:04:01 <mwester> NO
Oct 25 22:04:08 <mwester> User space stuff as well.
Oct 25 22:04:36 <balrog-k2n> mwester: one thing i know is you can just take gcc, the kernel patches, follow the normal process and get android running on an x86
Oct 25 22:04:46 <balrog-k2n> that's further from armv5 than armv4
Oct 25 22:05:34 <mwester> I presume you refer to the "goldfish" emulator?  I don't think that's reprentative...
Oct 25 22:05:41 <mwester> representative, even.
Oct 25 22:05:52 <swetland> the generic android kernel drivers are quite portable. the userspace code does have some bits of arm assembly in it and some of those were written assuming v5t or later
Oct 25 22:06:03 <balrog-k2n> mwester: goldfish is arm
Oct 25 22:06:20 <mwester> But whatever.  It matters not a whit, since Android on Om is not going to make a usable phone currently anyway.
Oct 25 22:06:30 <balrog-k2n> i mean like running debian on x86
Oct 25 22:06:59 <balrog-k2n> you download the packages or you take an x86 toolchain, you take the source, compile it and voila, it runs
Oct 25 22:07:54 <mwester> Well, I guess then the community will be delighted when you do so, and leave behind the several folks who are working on (among other things) unnecessarily translating ARM assembly.
Oct 25 22:07:56 <mwester> :p
Oct 25 22:08:14 <Soulnoob> :)
Oct 25 22:08:38 <swetland> there's some good effort underway to sort out v4t support and generally clean up architecture specific support in the build
Oct 25 22:08:42 <swetland> http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting/browse_thread/thread/5edf8d06370f0d7
Oct 25 22:09:18 <kk> help
Oct 25 22:09:27 <swetland> I wouldn't be surprised if Ben doesn't have patches submitted soon, assuming nobody else gets there first (I've seen other v4t cleanup efforts underway as well)
Oct 25 22:11:13 <mmu_man> great, I'm too busy with Haiku anyway :D
Oct 25 22:17:11 <mmu_man> Haiku would really look great on a runner I think... http://embedded.hug-nordic.org/
Oct 25 22:21:12 <Dave> Hallo balrogkun
Oct 25 22:23:58 <balrog-k2n> Dave, iHola!
Oct 25 22:58:25 <pantsd_> anyone know why the I might keep on getting auth timeouts with wpa_supplicant and WEP?
Oct 25 23:01:34 <slick666> hello openmoko channel
Oct 25 23:01:55 <gurugentoo> slick666: hi
Oct 25 23:01:57 <slick666> I'm trying to build the qemu emulation on my machine and am looking for some help
Oct 25 23:02:15 <gurugentoo> slick666: interesting...me too
Oct 25 23:02:21 <slick666> lol
Oct 25 23:02:40 <slick666> where are you stuck?
Oct 25 23:03:07 <gurugentoo> well I'm trying to do it in gentoo, more reading about it at this point
Oct 25 23:03:16 <slick666> ah
Oct 25 23:03:21 <slick666> I'm working with Ubuntu
Oct 25 23:03:37 <slick666> I've followed the wiki but I'm getting an error that I can't seem to find online
Oct 25 23:04:55 <slick666> well if no one's active right now I'm going to go get some food
Oct 25 23:05:00 <slick666> be back soon yall
Oct 25 23:08:43 <Shrimpy_> hello, has the debian install script changed location. cause i get a : wget bad address
Oct 25 23:10:11 <gurugentoo> dns/connection problem?
Oct 25 23:10:45 <gurugentoo> does `wget google.com` work?
Oct 25 23:10:58 <Zorkman> does browsing in pythm work???
Oct 25 23:11:14 <rooly> does anyone else lose 5 minutes on the clock even after resetting the time manually?
Oct 25 23:11:26 <Zorkman> i'm using pythm from the latest FDOM but i can't change directories to locate my music
Oct 25 23:11:52 <gurugentoo> rooly: works fine here
Oct 25 23:12:05 <rooly> what's your provider
Oct 25 23:12:47 <gurugentoo> rooly: I'm using debian if that's what you're asking
Oct 25 23:12:54 <rooly> no
Oct 25 23:13:00 <gurugentoo> time server?
Oct 25 23:13:21 <rooly> you're not using the phone om so i'm pretty sure you can't help me
Oct 25 23:13:26 <gurugentoo> k
Oct 25 23:13:40 <rooly> *os
Oct 25 23:24:47 <Dave> Greetings
Oct 25 23:27:09 <Zorkman> meetings
Oct 25 23:41:11 <Zorkman> does anybody know who made http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a021c845b2f5bc5f98e3b6a78ad925f7.png ?
Oct 25 23:41:19 <Zorkman> or if it is available?
Oct 25 23:52:08 <gurugentoo> Zorkman: ooo...pretty
Oct 25 23:52:17 <Zorkman> indeed
Oct 25 23:52:24 <Zorkman> but how to get our hands at it? :)
Oct 25 23:52:48 <Dave> yeah
Oct 25 23:54:37 <gurugentoo> any idea when it was taken?
Oct 25 23:55:09 <gurugentoo> o wow midnight last night
Oct 25 23:55:19 <gurugentoo> I want
Oct 25 23:55:34 <Dave> recently
Oct 25 23:55:35 <Dave> yeah
Oct 25 23:56:10 <Dave> UGGH
Oct 25 23:56:18 <Dave> Mwester - I cannot fucking stand this gsm modem anymore!
Oct 25 23:56:36 <Dave> or the software to go with it.
Oct 25 23:57:43 <Zorkman> and the firmware :)
Oct 26 00:00:34 * mmu_man hands Dave his Sportster 56k
Oct 26 00:09:31 <Dave> hot
Oct 26 00:15:21 <Dave> RASTER
Oct 26 00:15:28 <masked> lol raster
Oct 26 00:15:36 <raster> grrrr
Oct 26 00:15:48 <masked> are you in .au atm?
Oct 26 00:15:50 * raster is about to chop heads off
Oct 26 00:16:02 <gurugentoo> raster: mind if I help?
Oct 26 00:16:18 <masked> lol raster
Oct 26 00:16:22 <masked> let it rest
Oct 26 00:16:32 <masked> it's history now
Oct 26 00:16:37 <raster> yes
Oct 26 00:16:53 <masked> home?
Oct 26 00:17:54 <masked> should come to vic and i'll buy you a beer.
Oct 26 00:18:04 <masked> that's free beer raster.
Oct 26 00:18:59 <raster> that's an expensive free beer
Oct 26 00:19:09 <raster> to go all the way to smelly land :)
Oct 26 00:19:17 <raster> no need to get smelly in melly
Oct 26 00:19:48 <masked> but think of all the things you can do with free beer, even get paid to drink it, for a while anyway
Oct 26 00:19:53 <masked> then things go pair shaped
Oct 26 00:20:02 <masked> nah i'm a good 150km from melbourne
Oct 26 00:20:13 <masked> north of
Oct 26 00:21:11 <masked> all the pubs and clubs in .au smell like B.O. now that they've banned smoking
Oct 26 00:22:13 <masked> raster: i'll even shout you a really good e build
Oct 26 00:22:35 <masked> i know that must sound enticing to y
Oct 26 00:22:38 <masked> ou*
Oct 26 00:25:19 <raster> masked:  not in sydney
Oct 26 00:25:26 <raster> well depends whihc ones
Oct 26 00:25:35 <raster> theres your old-style pubs which yes - are smelly
Oct 26 00:25:44 <raster> and your newr  upmarket jobs
Oct 26 00:25:48 <raster> that are all nice and non-smelly
Oct 26 00:26:42 <masked> yah i was in melbs this week and discovered the belgium beer bar at the eureka on southbank
Oct 26 00:26:57 <masked> man, i tell ya what, i also discovered beer that day.
Oct 26 00:27:09 <raster> hhahaha
Oct 26 00:27:17 <masked> 1 leffe blonde and i was hooked
Oct 26 00:27:24 <raster> th readoak 100m up the road is pretty good
Oct 26 00:27:28 <raster> they do belgian-like brews
Oct 26 00:27:34 <raster> a block down is the belgian beer cafe too
Oct 26 00:27:40 <raster> and the bavarian beer cafe...
Oct 26 00:27:54 <masked> i love sydney
Oct 26 00:27:54 <raster> there's always exquilibrium that has 64 beers on tap diagonally oppostie me
Oct 26 00:28:01 <Dave> :)
Oct 26 00:28:11 <masked> i've only spent little time there, but when i'm there i dont want to leave
Oct 26 00:28:20 <raster> the sanctuary hotel immediately outside my front door for an ok beer range but nice foot $11 for a steak
Oct 26 00:28:48 <raster> if u know your way around - u'll find pretty much every beer here u want
Oct 26 00:29:20 <masked> ok so the beer has you surrounded and doesn't want you to leave
Oct 26 00:29:47 <masked> but you have to pay for it
Oct 26 00:30:27 <masked> how does it feel to be on australian 'broadband'?
Oct 26 00:30:33 <raster> that's fine by me
Oct 26 00:30:35 <raster> paying for it
Oct 26 00:30:42 <raster> i actually have pretyt much cut down on beer
Oct 26 00:30:44 <raster> no time
Oct 26 00:30:49 <raster> have code to do
Oct 26 00:30:51 <raster> as for boradband
Oct 26 00:30:56 <raster> not quite japan
Oct 26 00:31:04 <raster> but a damn side better than it was when i left
Oct 26 00:31:06 <raster> i have 24mbit
Oct 26 00:31:13 <masked> hell no
Oct 26 00:31:14 <raster> and its snappy
Oct 26 00:31:18 <masked> yeah
Oct 26 00:31:27 <masked> im on 8mbit here
Oct 26 00:31:36 <masked> calling tio tomorrow to fix the situation
Oct 26 00:33:39 <raster> at least i can avoid the telstra line charges these days
Oct 26 00:33:50 <masked> i'm building a wireless network all across the city, and i need adsl2+ at the gateways
Oct 26 00:34:04 <masked> yeah, naked dsl is good
Oct 26 00:34:16 <raster> nekkid
Oct 26 00:34:24 <raster> as such tho
Oct 26 00:34:29 <raster> .au recently got a lot cheaper
Oct 26 00:34:32 <raster> with the falling aussie
Oct 26 00:34:36 <masked> i can call telstra tomorrow and get adsl2+ on, but if i go through anyone else i can't because im on a sub-exchange
Oct 26 00:34:36 <raster> i'm ok with it
Oct 26 00:35:22 <masked> which telstra have neglected to inform anyone about and infact deliberatly list on the database that i'm connected to the main exchange in the centre of town
Oct 26 00:35:55 <raster> aaah
Oct 26 00:36:03 <raster> thus no one 4else knows hwo to hook u up
Oct 26 00:36:12 <masked> hence why when i checked the broadband checker to see if i can get naked adsl2+ through internode, it reports yes
Oct 26 00:36:25 <raster> internude
Oct 26 00:36:37 <masked> but any attempt get knocked back
Oct 26 00:36:48 <gurugentoo> that seems to be a common theme
Oct 26 00:37:11 <masked> yes
Oct 26 00:37:20 <masked> but you see here in my city
Oct 26 00:37:43 <masked> this was the first location telstra enabled adsl2+ before any other provider
Oct 26 00:37:55 <raster> smellstra
Oct 26 00:38:02 <Dave> haha
Oct 26 00:38:05 <Dave> assy
Oct 26 00:38:13 <Dave> Give it to us!
Oct 26 00:38:16 <masked> hel$tra
Oct 26 00:38:34 <Dave> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a021c845b2f5bc5f98e3b6a78ad925f7.png
Oct 26 00:38:50 <masked> and the only reason they could do that was because of the sub-exchanges
Oct 26 00:39:25 <masked> which is likely to be considered anti-competative nature
Oct 26 00:39:33 <masked> if i play it out right
Oct 26 00:39:55 <masked> Dave: that looks fugly
Oct 26 00:40:57 * Zorkman disagrees
Oct 26 00:41:28 <Dave> >:o
Oct 26 00:41:41 <raster> it does look a little arse
Oct 26 00:41:55 <Dave> Then make something better.
Oct 26 00:41:56 <Dave> Huh?
Oct 26 00:42:02 <raster> i have
Oct 26 00:42:26 <masked> it looks cheap and tacky, not laid out right, not utilising space, and looks like something that should never be used in a production environment
Oct 26 00:42:27 <Dave> heh
Oct 26 00:42:52 <balrog-k2n> the cow is sexy
Oct 26 00:43:05 <masked> the cow is the worst part
Oct 26 00:43:25 <masked> it really shows how much effort gets put into openmoko
Oct 26 00:43:33 <masked> openmoko at its pinnicle
Oct 26 00:43:40 <balrog-k2n> it might be a dog though
Oct 26 00:44:05 <Dave> yes
Oct 26 00:44:08 <Dave> moo
Oct 26 00:44:08 <masked> best thing about the whole lot
Oct 26 00:44:11 <masked> is the font rendering
Oct 26 00:44:22 * raster points to illume's default illume theme and e17's b&w
Oct 26 00:44:32 * Dave slaps masked around a bit with a large raster
Oct 26 00:44:33 <Zorkman> it utilises space as good as the standard 2008.x does...
Oct 26 00:44:44 <masked> b&w?
Oct 26 00:44:48 <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg
Oct 26 00:44:53 * mmu_man pets http://embedded.hug-nordic.org/
Oct 26 00:44:57 <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/files/b_and_w_e.png
Oct 26 00:45:22 <balrog-k2n> no cow?
Oct 26 00:45:33 <mmu_man> moooo
Oct 26 00:45:44 <BobOfDoom> I think it might be a hybrid of a cow and a sheep
Oct 26 00:45:53 <BobOfDoom> it looks too fluffy to be a regular cow
Oct 26 00:46:05 <masked> Zorkman: yeah, and you can't use the standard 2008.x release for anything anyway
Oct 26 00:46:18 <masked> its by no way an indication of anything
Oct 26 00:46:30 <Zorkman> masked: true; but still i prefer it over the standard 2008.x theme
Oct 26 00:46:36 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: does it actually run on neo1973?
Oct 26 00:46:38 <masked> that home bar at the top is atleast 3 times the same it should be
Oct 26 00:46:56 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: or is it a mockup?
Oct 26 00:47:08 <mmu_man> just a very old mockup
Oct 26 00:47:20 <balrog-k2n> ah
Oct 26 00:47:20 <mmu_man> I've yet to finish my m68k port before looking at ARM
Oct 26 00:47:24 <raster> 3 times the same?
Oct 26 00:47:30 <viq> raster: just curious, what underlying OS are you using?
Oct 26 00:47:36 <raster> viq:  linux
Oct 26 00:47:42 <viq> which distro?
Oct 26 00:47:46 <raster> oe
Oct 26 00:47:53 <masked> raster: size*
Oct 26 00:47:56 <masked> typo
Oct 26 00:47:57 <viq> On your desktop?
Oct 26 00:48:07 <raster> masked: the scap one?
Oct 26 00:48:18 <Weiss> BobOfDoom: it's "quality programmer art", and masked: that's a very cynical interpretation
Oct 26 00:48:27 <masked> yep
Oct 26 00:48:37 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: one of the screens says Device: Sony Ericsson m600i
Oct 26 00:48:41 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: does it run on this?
Oct 26 00:48:43 <raster> hmm
Oct 26 00:48:48 <raster> well the top space is wasted
Oct 26 00:48:54 <raster> thatys an earea to put gadgets
Oct 26 00:48:59 <raster> only one there is the confiog gadget
Oct 26 00:49:06 <viq> raster: OE on your dekstop too?
Oct 26 00:49:10 <raster> imho the home/list of apps is silly there
Oct 26 00:49:15 <raster> viq:  of course not
Oct 26 00:49:15 <raster> :)
Oct 26 00:49:22 <mmu_man> balrog-k2n surely no, we don't have an ARM port yet
Oct 26 00:49:29 <viq> Well, that's what I'm asking about ;)
Oct 26 00:49:36 <mmu_man> I guess it's the only pic the webmaster found :p
Oct 26 00:49:36 <masked> if your using that much space you should have a lot of functions or a few very powerful ones that deserve to be big
Oct 26 00:49:37 <Weiss> masked: it's just a bit of fun by someone who can't draw to save his life. the author's real aim is to work on kernel stuff, and is learning right now to try and get to a stage where he can make a contribution
Oct 26 00:49:45 <raster> viq:  aaah. use ubuntu on desktop
Oct 26 00:49:54 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: :(
Oct 26 00:49:56 <BobOfDoom> Weiss: But I like it... a hybrid cow/sheep makes perfect sense.  You can get wool *and* milk from it.
Oct 26 00:50:02 <viq> Ah, thanks.
Oct 26 00:50:04 <raster> masked:  mind u that much space is only used when it slides out
Oct 26 00:50:09 <mmu_man> balrog-k2n feel free to help :p
Oct 26 00:50:13 <viq> BobOfDoom: or neither ;)
Oct 26 00:50:13 <raster> normalyl u onyl see the X, ^ etc. icons
Oct 26 00:50:31 <raster> so thats "temporarily expanded" mode
Oct 26 00:50:44 <masked> yeah
Oct 26 00:50:48 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: so someone drew all these screens pixel by pixel?
Oct 26 00:50:57 <masked> but in that case, it's expanded simply for no reason
Oct 26 00:51:05 <raster> u want it biggish so u can hit the damn controls
Oct 26 00:51:11 <mmu_man> balrog-k2n no, likely from real shots + cropping
Oct 26 00:51:18 <raster> masked:  he's expanded it int he screenshot to show off all his icons
Oct 26 00:51:21 <Zorkman> BobOfDoom: a normal sheep also gives you milk, doesn't have to be a hybrid sheep/cow :)
Oct 26 00:51:22 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: ah ok
Oct 26 00:51:27 <raster> so u knwo whats up there thats normally hidden
Oct 26 00:51:37 <raster> its a signle screenshot of the ui in a transitory state
Oct 26 00:51:40 <mmu_man> actually Haiku runs pretty well on eeePC and friends
Oct 26 00:51:44 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: well.. visually it's not much more impressive than gpe (~2004)
Oct 26 00:51:47 <masked> raster: yeah
Oct 26 00:51:52 <masked> but theres nothing there.
Oct 26 00:52:05 <raster> so u're being critical of something for the reason of wasting space
Oct 26 00:52:09 <mmu_man> balrog-k2n we don't really favor eyecandy, more simplicity and consistency
Oct 26 00:52:09 <masked> but Home, a hammer and a shifter
Oct 26 00:52:09 <balrog-k2n> mmu_man: but it would be cool to have another kernel supporting the GTA :p
Oct 26 00:52:12 <raster> which is actually not its normal state
Oct 26 00:52:12 <raster> :)
Oct 26 00:52:25 <mmu_man> well I have the patched qemu running, just need to port to ARM
Oct 26 00:52:25 <raster> its only the "i want to go control some extra stuff" state
Oct 26 00:52:56 <masked> ok point taken
Oct 26 00:52:59 <raster> i personalyl stuck a pager there and added in virtual desktops again
Oct 26 00:53:03 <raster> i like my virtual desktops
Oct 26 00:53:04 <raster> :)
Oct 26 00:53:26 <raster> i might consider adding code to illume to impose layout policy on a per-desktop basis
Oct 26 00:53:34 <raster> so 1 desktop can be "fullscreen windows"
Oct 26 00:53:38 <raster> another be windowed mode
Oct 26 00:54:00 <raster> tho thats will up the complexity...
Oct 26 00:54:03 <raster> that
Oct 26 00:54:33 <masked> at 640x480 u dont really need windows
Oct 26 00:54:37 <masked> just containers maybe
Oct 26 00:55:03 <raster> some people like it
Oct 26 00:55:09 <raster> use it as a miniature desktop
Oct 26 00:55:11 <raster> i agree
Oct 26 00:55:14 <raster> its dubiously useful
Oct 26 00:55:24 <raster> but there's a whole standard windowed wm lurking there
Oct 26 00:56:08 <masked> ok
Oct 26 00:56:41 <masked> i'm passing out at the kb from sleep dep, valium and seroquel.
Oct 26 00:56:48 <masked> l8r
Oct 26 01:00:08 <Dave> Hey Bob :)
Oct 26 01:00:16 <Dave> masked o_o
Oct 26 01:00:19 <Dave> yeah.... okay
Oct 26 01:00:32 <Dave> Anyhoo, I'd still like it, and I think you'd agree with me, Zorkman.
Oct 26 01:00:56 <Zorkman> indeed I do
Oct 26 01:01:03 <Dave> :D
Oct 26 01:01:37 <Zorkman> and I would overall like to see more people pimping their freerunner and posting the result :)
Oct 26 01:02:21 <Dave> heh, yeah, I suppose
Oct 26 01:02:27 <Dave> mostly on the user end
Oct 26 01:12:39 <raster> PIMP!
Oct 26 01:15:49 <Dave> :D
Oct 26 01:19:52 <Zorkman> this []D [] []\\//[] []D is going to bed
Oct 26 01:19:55 <Zorkman> goodnight all
Oct 26 01:26:03 <Dave> \o/
Oct 26 01:40:04 <slaxxin> users?
Oct 26 01:40:09 <Dave> Yes.
Oct 26 01:40:11 <Dave> LIKE YOU
Oct 26 01:40:17 <Dave> noob
Oct 26 01:40:48 <slaxxin> nice chain   DAVE
Oct 26 01:42:29 <slaxxin> so what is it tonight        fso again?
Oct 26 01:43:43 <slaxxin> openmoookooo is an ugly cow
Oct 26 01:44:52 <ixs> I'll drink to that.
Oct 26 01:45:22 <slaxxin> dave..  were drying up over here
Oct 26 01:46:56 <slaxxin> wheres the free beer   thats what i want
Oct 26 01:47:26 <slaxxin> apt wheres the free beer
Oct 26 01:47:59 <ixs> you'll be needing apt-cache
Oct 26 01:48:33 <slaxxin>  i need alot of things i know nothing about
Oct 26 01:49:11 <ixs> i see
Oct 26 01:50:17 <slaxxin> d                 a                  v                 e
Oct 26 01:50:27 <slaxxin> no napping
Oct 26 01:50:51 <ixs> I'm afraid I can't do this.
Oct 26 01:51:06 * ixs is now known as hal
Oct 26 01:51:06 <Dave> :)
Oct 26 01:51:25 <slaxxin> yaaaa didit
Oct 26 01:52:56 <BobOfDoom> apt: where is free beer?
Oct 26 01:52:56 <apt> somebody said free beer was in the ice box behind the couch.  Try also http://freebeer.org/
Oct 26 01:53:15 <slaxxin> ooo   thank u
Oct 26 01:54:12 <slaxxin> so whos the debian user here?
Oct 26 01:55:19 <gurugentoo> I'm using debian...
Oct 26 01:55:23 <slaxxin> i have debian on sd an i wanna use the maps on /media/card/debian for tango on fdom/flash
Oct 26 01:56:25 <gurugentoo> hmm, sorry I haven't used gps/tango yet
Oct 26 01:56:39 <slaxxin> so i set the conf in tango to read maps from /media/card/root/maps?
Oct 26 01:57:18 <gurugentoo> sounds correct
Oct 26 01:59:19 <Dave> guru :)
Oct 26 02:00:10 <gurugentoo> Dave: hehe
Oct 26 02:13:28 <Dave> :)
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