**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 30 02:59:57 2008
Oct 30 03:03:32 <kd8ikt> how do i tell om-location to save map data to /media/card
Oct 30 03:04:38 <slaxxin> but it only worked 1 time:(
Oct 30 03:05:08 <kd8ikt> found it nvrmind
Oct 30 03:27:21 <slaxxin> shr has a lot of things to fix
Oct 30 03:51:59 <Dave> duh
Oct 30 03:57:17 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb35c39ec879 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update xserver-kdrive-glamo rev to let the
Oct 30 04:01:36 <slaxxin> shr has came a long way since i tried it   a while back
Oct 30 04:14:28 <chi> how do i pop up a virtual keyboard to use with xterm?
Oct 30 04:15:07 <chi> symlink a script to do it?
Oct 30 04:18:34 <slaxxin> tap in the eterm screen wont do it?
Oct 30 04:18:41 <slaxxin> x*
Oct 30 04:18:44 <chi> no
Oct 30 04:18:56 <chi> or didn't last time
Oct 30 04:18:59 <chi> i just reflashed
Oct 30 04:19:00 <slaxxin> 2008.9?
Oct 30 04:19:00 <chi> heeh
Oct 30 04:19:02 <chi> yes
Oct 30 04:19:27 <slaxxin> hit the qwerty at the top left?
Oct 30 04:19:49 <chi> hrm
Oct 30 04:19:53 <chi> i will try
Oct 30 04:20:48 <chi> don't see anything to click on =P
Oct 30 04:21:10 <chi> maybe i need to install something?
Oct 30 04:21:17 <slaxxin> did u install the illume theme?
Oct 30 04:21:21 <Skysurfer> try installing illume-config
Oct 30 04:21:27 <chi> oh yea gotta do that again
Oct 30 04:22:00 <chi> it seemed to fail everytime when i tried to before
Oct 30 04:22:22 <slaxxin> yup but a reboot fixes it
Oct 30 04:22:39 <chi> ooh
Oct 30 04:22:41 <chi> heeh
Oct 30 04:32:53 <slaxxin> illume looks good in om-testing
Oct 30 06:17:02 <LuYu> now that the android source has been released, is anybody using it on their openmoko?
Oct 30 06:17:31 <cjb_ie> i think mwester has made it work. i don't know if anyone's using it.
Oct 30 06:21:36 <emonkey> there are blogposts on the planet about that
Oct 30 06:37:17 <rooly> so hey
Oct 30 06:37:36 <rooly> is it just me, or does it seem like the fr doesn't suspend when it's connected to power
Oct 30 06:37:49 <rooly> at least, left to it's own cycle
Oct 30 06:38:36 <slaxxin> i have the latest om
Oct 30 06:39:10 <rooly> and?
Oct 30 06:39:44 <slaxxin> i have it turned off
Oct 30 06:40:14 <slaxxin> we will see
Oct 30 06:40:45 <slaxxin> it did
Oct 30 06:41:00 <rooly> okay, here's what i notice
Oct 30 06:41:06 <rooly> make sure the red light is on
Oct 30 06:42:13 <rooly> and that your suspend time after blank is set to 1
Oct 30 06:43:00 <rooly> let it go into suspend mode first
Oct 30 06:43:30 <rooly> then when it wakes back up, plug in your power, either usb or wall charger
Oct 30 06:43:37 <rooly> make sure the red light comes on
Oct 30 06:43:46 <rooly> then let it try to suspend
Oct 30 06:44:36 <rooly> if the red light goes off, it's in sleep
Oct 30 06:44:50 <rooly> lemme know if it sleeps or not
Oct 30 06:46:36 <Skysurfer> rooly, will your fr shutdown properly when it is having trouble suspending?
Oct 30 06:46:45 <rooly> yup
Oct 30 06:51:48 <kd8ikt> mplayer -playlist http://mfile.akamai.com/12885/live/reflector:38163.asx
Oct 30 06:52:15 <kd8ikt> i need to make an mplayer frontend ;)
Oct 30 06:52:18 <doc|home> what's that?
Oct 30 06:52:28 <kd8ikt> weather radar for my area
Oct 30 06:53:15 <kd8ikt> urlsnarf
Oct 30 06:53:27 <kd8ikt> 'ed it
Oct 30 06:56:10 <kd8ikt> i wonder howlong that link will be valid though
Oct 30 06:56:46 <kd8ikt> guess you'd need to parse it on the fly each time
Oct 30 06:57:37 <kd8ikt> do love mplayer's ability to play it all
Oct 30 07:02:31 <ColdFyre> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 what what i need to do to make use of that closed bug?
Oct 30 07:09:06 <quickdev> ColdFyre, it's not closed, there's only a workaround. Which distro are you using?
Oct 30 07:09:24 <ColdFyre> qtopia 4.4.1
Oct 30 07:10:29 <quickdev> http://moko.mwester.net/brc.html
Oct 30 08:04:10 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r6725b90d5c9d 10/packages/efl1/ (evas/boundary_check.patch evas_svn.bb): evas_svn.bb: Adding a boundary check to avoid dead lock and arbitrary memory access
Oct 30 08:19:35 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re0ff9ff70c4b 10/ (51 files in 17 dirs): bluemchen wiese: Allow to disable certain ugly packages globally
Oct 30 08:19:36 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cdb84ee7d80 10/ (51 files in 17 dirs): Merge branch 'enterprise-for-dev' into org.openmoko.dev
Oct 30 08:22:45 <DocScrutinizer> Dave: gurugentoo: [2008-10-30 01:42:50] <Dave> The worst part of all, is I could of swore I saw something about not booting with something plugged in... somewhere recently... perhaps on the wiki.
Oct 30 08:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-10-30 01:44:06] <gurugentoo> or put 5v out to the amp?
Oct 30 08:22:48 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-10-30 01:44:09] <Dave> That would certainly explain some things
Oct 30 08:22:49 <[Rui]> huh.... white screen of death with the daily build, without suspend
Oct 30 08:23:13 <[Rui]> just left it idle as i slept
Oct 30 08:23:21 <DocScrutinizer> DON'T BOOT FR WITH ANYTHING CONNECTED TO HS-JACK!!!!
Oct 30 08:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> t's not 5V but 3V3 that's frying one of the hs-speakers or your stereo during boot
Oct 30 08:24:43 <DocScrutinizer> see schematics GSM_DL path
Oct 30 08:25:09 <gurugentoo> DocScrutinizer: ah I had usb in my head hence the 5v
Oct 30 08:25:38 <gurugentoo> and point taken
Oct 30 08:25:48 <DocScrutinizer> USB I don't see any problem, though I will think about Dave's new adventure
Oct 30 08:41:45 <[Rui]> damn, no sound with a call on the daily???
Oct 30 08:42:15 <[Rui]> at least service operator messages are working now (I just got the sad news of 0.79€ of charge :))
Oct 30 08:42:17 <Hopscotch> good morning
Oct 30 08:44:42 <Shlee> QT 4.4.2 delayed?
Oct 30 08:49:01 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * re831694be8d5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update to the latest stable kernel.
Oct 30 08:52:03 <ColdFyre> Shlee:  i was told it is expected this weekend
Oct 30 09:03:33 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r27f481f7ddcd 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-debug.bb: task-openmoko-debug.bb: Apply ENTERPRISE_DISTRO condition for madplay
Oct 30 09:23:16 <KenSentMe> Is there a seperate mailinglist for Openmoko Android development?
Oct 30 09:26:49 <MrShleee> I couldn't find one
Oct 30 09:34:17 <KenSentMe> MrShleee, me neither, but i remember that it was mentioned somewhere
Oct 30 10:29:33 <kd8ikt> was having some fun with the daily testing images
Oct 30 10:29:50 <kd8ikt> cant figure out what to do about phone stuff
Oct 30 10:29:56 <PBeck> ahoi
Oct 30 10:29:57 <kd8ikt> gsm
Oct 30 10:31:13 <kd8ikt> any ideas?
Oct 30 10:31:34 <kd8ikt> qtopia-x11 phone apps?
Oct 30 10:31:53 <kd8ikt> frameworkd /zhone
Oct 30 10:32:15 <andred> kd8ikt: installing task-openmoko-qtopia-x11 worked for me
Oct 30 10:32:55 <kd8ikt> pulla in tons of stuff albiet
Oct 30 10:33:28 <kd8ikt> pulls*
Oct 30 10:34:11 <kd8ikt> i'm reflashing again cause i'm retarded
Oct 30 10:35:08 <kd8ikt> opkg remove package-kit assassin
Oct 30 11:59:15 <wilhelmb> can i install .deb packages on the openmoko?
Oct 30 11:59:28 <lindi-> wilhelmb: in debian you can
Oct 30 11:59:29 <[df]> if you have installed debian
Oct 30 11:59:42 <wilhelmb> okei, can i do it with apt-get?
Oct 30 11:59:47 <lindi-> wilhelmb: sure
Oct 30 12:00:04 <wilhelmb> no compiling?
Oct 30 12:00:09 <bumbl> wilhelmb: the .deb have to be for armv4 though
Oct 30 12:00:12 <lindi-> wilhelmb: no compiling needed
Oct 30 12:00:15 <wilhelmb> oki
Oct 30 12:00:24 <lindi-> wilhelmb: but you can apt-get --build source $package too if you like to compile
Oct 30 12:00:26 <wilhelmb> so no way to install x86 packages
Oct 30 12:00:37 <bumbl> no
Oct 30 12:00:38 <wilhelmb> oki
Oct 30 12:00:48 <lindi-> wilhelmb: why would you want that?
Oct 30 12:01:23 <wilhelmb> i figured it was more of the x86 packages than armv4
Oct 30 12:01:36 <wilhelmb> or what?
Oct 30 12:01:38 <dns53> you could use something that was written in python or some other interpreted language 
Oct 30 12:01:43 <lindi-> wilhelmb: ?
Oct 30 12:01:44 <bumbl> like you can't put gasoline into a diesel driven car
Oct 30 12:02:23 <wilhelmb> a diesel driven car, can run on gasoline
Oct 30 12:02:26 <wilhelmb> :P
Oct 30 12:03:35 <lindi-> wilhelmb: most debian packages are available for both x86 and arm
Oct 30 12:04:47 <wilhelmb> oki
Oct 30 12:05:02 <lindi-> wilhelmb: 23819 packages for x86, 22699 for arm
Oct 30 12:05:59 <wilhelmb> what is the difference between å x86 package and a armv4 package? difference in the source code or just å matter of compiling difference?
Oct 30 12:06:00 <Blackhex> Hello, I'd like to ask if some can help me start with Openmoko develompment with OpenEmbedded. I followed this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Developing_with_MokoMakefile so far, but now I want to for example know how can I make my changes public and how should I handle with changes in "openembedded/packages/*"?
Oct 30 12:06:34 <lindi-> wilhelmb: there might be some patches needed to compile on arm
Oct 30 12:06:42 <lindi-> wilhelmb: but most packages are the same
Oct 30 12:06:45 <bumbl> wilhelmb: really?
Oct 30 12:07:00 <wilhelmb> really what?
Oct 30 12:07:21 <bumbl> afaik not as gasoline is not autoignitating
Oct 30 12:07:51 <lindi-> Blackhex: afaik it's a git repository
Oct 30 12:08:52 <wilhelmb> gasoline ignites under pressure.
Oct 30 12:09:01 <wilhelmb> i have seen it myself
Oct 30 12:09:02 <Blackhex> lindi-: great, that simplifies a lot, I didn't notice before. Where can I submit patches?
Oct 30 12:10:01 <wilhelmb> is it possible to overclock the freerunner btw?
Oct 30 12:11:08 <alphaone> wilhelmb: I believe you can clock it to 500MHz
Oct 30 12:11:15 <wilhelmb> how?
Oct 30 12:11:31 <leinir> You can, but you'd have to lower the memory access speed
Oct 30 12:11:34 <alphaone> wilhelmb: I think in the kernel
Oct 30 12:11:44 <wilhelmb> is it a accessable bios?
Oct 30 12:12:01 <lindi-> Blackhex: again not really sure but i'd try https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Oct 30 12:12:16 <lindi-> wilhelmb: bios?
Oct 30 12:12:17 <wilhelmb> oki, the memory access speed is low enough as it is
Oct 30 12:12:31 <wilhelmb> lindi-: like on a pc
Oct 30 12:12:38 <Blackhex> Thanks. Another question please? If some headers or library is missing in configuration step, it's a bug or I just must to install that library manually with make build-package-something if it's already in OE?
Oct 30 12:12:46 <lindi-> wilhelmb: no such thing here
Oct 30 12:12:56 <wilhelmb> ok
Oct 30 12:13:58 <lindi-> Blackhex: again i am not sure but it sounds like a bug, mokomakefile should be completely automated
Oct 30 12:14:18 <Blackhex> In other word is there a mechanism for conditional compilation like use flags in Gentoo
Oct 30 12:14:34 <Blackhex> lindi-: Thanks aggain :-)
Oct 30 12:14:38 <bumbl> wilhelmb: then well put it the other way round or just forget it - but i think it is clear why x86 and armv4 don't go together; usually only x86 machines have something lie a bios
Oct 30 12:15:09 <lindi-> Blackhex: the *.bb files are bitbake recipes so i'd look at bitbake docs
Oct 30 12:15:19 <Blackhex> ok
Oct 30 12:15:24 <Ke> bumbl: like BIOS?
Oct 30 12:15:34 <Ke> not openfirmware or EFI?
Oct 30 12:17:03 <bumbl> Ke: ah yes, let's rephrase it: usually only x86 machines have a bios
Oct 30 12:17:17 <wilhelmb> when i say bios, i thing about an user interface on startup that i can use for changing clock speeds etxc
Oct 30 12:17:20 <wilhelmb> etc*
Oct 30 12:19:00 <lindi-> here it's just uboot and then linux
Oct 30 12:19:16 <lindi-> no proprietary code ran at boot
Oct 30 12:19:48 <bumbl> and soon qi + linux
Oct 30 12:20:21 <Shlee> qi + inferno >_>
Oct 30 12:22:14 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7773095695b3 10/ (39 files in 15 dirs): bluemchen wiese: Allow to disable certain ugly packages globally
Oct 30 12:22:19 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1fc7225f30a4 10/ (39 files in 15 dirs): Merge branch 'enterprise-for-stable' into org.openmoko.asu.stable
Oct 30 12:22:21 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0456018d26f5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-debug.bb: task-openmoko-debug.bb: Apply ENTERPRISE_DISTRO condition for madplay
Oct 30 12:23:00 * rwhitby wonders who the enterprise is ...
Oct 30 12:23:08 <Blackhex> And aggain, should I rather modify stable or devel branch?
Oct 30 12:23:39 <bumbl> rwhitby: maybe swisscom?
Oct 30 12:23:48 <Blackhex> probably devel, but everytime I do make update it need maual swich
Oct 30 12:24:19 <rwhitby> bumbl: but that's not a secret :-)
Oct 30 12:24:20 <arquebus> hey, want to hear something funny? I emailed Christopher Null who does tech reviews on Yahoo, and he cant do a review of the Freerunner because they wont give him a free sample to test. 
Oct 30 12:24:21 <Blackhex> and some of errors slows down my work
Oct 30 12:24:44 <rwhitby> arquebus: I don't blame them - it's not ready for a Yahoo tech review
Oct 30 12:25:04 <bumbl> arquebus: yeah that's how it should be
Oct 30 12:25:18 <bumbl> at the moment the freerunner won't get that good publicity
Oct 30 12:25:29 <arquebus> rwhitby- theyve reviewed worse, they just did a review of the iKit, which is what prompted me to email this guy
Oct 30 12:26:43 <arquebus> http://www.comsciences.com/product.htm
Oct 30 12:27:57 <Ke> linux 2.4 ??
Oct 30 12:28:09 <Ke> .19 ???
Oct 30 12:30:12 <fish_> User Interface GUI : Proprietary plus Trolltech QT/E 2.3.8
Oct 30 12:30:29 <arquebus> the iKit only has like 3 hours of battery life, and no cellular connectivity, a real winner, and it gets headline Yahoo review with photo and everything
Oct 30 12:39:39 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03john_lee * r4734 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (40 files in 3 dirs): 
Oct 30 12:39:39 <CIA-50> openmoko: from trac #1012
Oct 30 12:39:39 <CIA-50> openmoko: provided by HdR and Abraxa
Oct 30 12:42:15 <Shlee> arquebus: openpandora FTW
Oct 30 12:43:35 <arquebus> Shlee- I also mentioned Pandora in my email to Chrisopher Null, and he cant get a free sample of one of those either, what a jerk, if I made even a moderate income, I would just send one to that guy for free because I like this hardware so much
Oct 30 12:44:31 <Shlee> I think OM is waiting for the software to be more stable before they send out review hardware
Oct 30 12:44:51 <Ke> probably better
Oct 30 12:47:03 <arquebus> if anyone has a spare Freerunner or Pandora you want to send to this poor fellow, feel free http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null;_ylt=ArzA1Fzfro134hHO9Ea_XdMWLpA5
Oct 30 12:49:48 <Shlee> Spare? I'm still waiting for my first.
Oct 30 13:08:40 <tdobson> I have somewhat unexpectedly been given a 8gb microSDHC card....
Oct 30 13:08:51 <tdobson> i'm currently running fdom in flash..
Oct 30 13:09:18 <tdobson> what do people propose i do with the card in terms of paritions etc.
Oct 30 13:13:47 <chi> so SDHC will work in the neo?
Oct 30 13:13:56 <chi> sweet
Oct 30 13:13:58 <Wonka> it does. microSDHC at least
Oct 30 13:14:01 <Wonka> 8GiB here.
Oct 30 13:14:14 <chi> niice
Oct 30 13:14:18 <Wonka> got a debian on it.
Oct 30 13:14:20 <mjr> sdhc do too, you just need to arrange for exotic wiring solutions
Oct 30 13:14:36 <sylar> when will be realased om 2008.10?
Oct 30 13:14:39 <chi> the readers on my monitor do not support sdhc =\
Oct 30 13:15:02 <Wonka> the reader that came with the card does, expectedly...
Oct 30 13:15:10 <chi> but i go have a 4gig minisdhc 
Oct 30 13:15:14 <chi> not that that helps heh
Oct 30 13:15:50 <ulf> chi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards
Oct 30 13:15:55 <sylar> any news about openmoko 2008.10?
Oct 30 13:16:11 <Dave> :)
Oct 30 13:16:23 <sylar> (hi Dave XD)
Oct 30 13:16:46 <chi> thanks ulf =D
Oct 30 13:17:31 <ulf> np, but i need to fill the table with my cards i already tested
Oct 30 13:17:40 <chi> is fdisk on 2008.9?
Oct 30 13:17:54 <chi> can't check it, i'm at work heh
Oct 30 13:19:51 <toggles_w> Dave: !
Oct 30 13:19:52 <chi> sweet only $20 for an 8g micro sdhc
Oct 30 13:20:06 <toggles_w> so... http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap ... do you think they'll make it?
Oct 30 13:20:10 * chi tackles Dave 
Oct 30 13:20:29 <tdobson> bah £1=$1
Oct 30 13:20:43 <tdobson> ? = pound
Oct 30 13:20:57 <sylar> mmm sandisk announced sdhc of 16 giga!
Oct 30 13:21:09 <mjr> micro?
Oct 30 13:22:19 <sylar> micro
Oct 30 13:22:33 <sylar> http://lh5.ggpht.com/billystoreit/SOXsjdXCcxI/AAAAAAAAAVA/fazGe9ImzVY/s400/SDSDQ-016G-E11M-EBAY-BOX.jpg
Oct 30 13:24:51 <chi> sylar, how much is it?
Oct 30 13:28:10 <Shlee> Milestone 4 is pretty much: FULLYWORKINGSYSTEM:ACTIVATE
Oct 30 13:30:13 <sylar> chi: It costs on ebay ca € 65
Oct 30 13:30:30 <sylar> Shlee: when the release day?
Oct 30 13:30:32 <bumbl> toggles_w: yeah i think we'll get ms4 until monday
Oct 30 13:30:32 * chi sticks with the 8g
Oct 30 13:31:48 <Shlee> 9 hours ;)
Oct 30 13:31:55 <bumbl> the question of the week: will openmoko stay a brokenmoko or will it get usable anytime soon
Oct 30 13:33:02 <sylar> Shlee: are you saying the thruth? (sorry for my bad english)
Oct 30 13:43:50 <Shlee> sylar: The release was marked as tomorrow. but they will need alot more time to continue development.
Oct 30 13:43:55 <Shlee> so it was more sarcastic
Oct 30 13:46:19 <sylar> lol
Oct 30 13:49:34 <Ke> calendar is just so far off if there is still problems with the basic infrastructure
Oct 30 14:09:57 <Dave> Yeah memory is cheap.
Oct 30 14:18:52 <Torikun> Qtopia on the freerunner has great battery life
Oct 30 14:19:00 <Torikun> It was fully charged in the morning
Oct 30 14:19:04 <CVirus> does it suspend ?
Oct 30 14:19:05 <Torikun> and it was not charging all night
Oct 30 14:19:07 <Torikun> Yes
Oct 30 14:19:13 <CVirus> and resumes ?
Oct 30 14:19:15 <Torikun> Yuo]
Oct 30 14:19:17 <Torikun> Yup
Oct 30 14:19:45 <CVirus> hmm
Oct 30 14:20:06 <CVirus> stock Qtopia with no changes can do that ?
Oct 30 14:20:17 <Torikun> The latest one , yes
Oct 30 14:20:50 <leinir> 4.4.1 with mwester's kernel :)
Oct 30 14:20:57 <Torikun> Yes!
Oct 30 14:21:37 <Torikun> and I made calls
Oct 30 14:21:40 <Torikun> and received calls
Oct 30 14:21:44 <Torikun> and texts!
Oct 30 14:22:24 <CVirus> mp3's ?
Oct 30 14:23:08 <bumbl> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=58561 <- was this one fake? nokia releases 4.4.2?
Oct 30 14:24:17 <bumbl> ahh - not compiled yet for the freerunner
Oct 30 14:25:29 <CVirus> Torikun: can it play mp3's ?
Oct 30 14:25:46 <Torikun> dunno
Oct 30 14:25:51 <Torikun> it has a browser though
Oct 30 14:25:53 <Torikun> and media player
Oct 30 14:26:11 <CVirus> earphones working ?
Oct 30 14:27:02 <Torikun> huh
Oct 30 14:27:03 <Torikun> dunno
Oct 30 14:33:48 <Wonka> by the way... has anyone started building car or motorbike docks for the FR? possibly including usb power and/or gps connectors?
Oct 30 14:40:46 <kd8ikt> gps antenna mounting isnt exactly rocket science
Oct 30 14:41:45 <kd8ikt> i personally dont think mine needs it cause when i'm out in the open it gets a signal every time
Oct 30 14:44:34 <kd8ikt> and a regulated power supply hookup
Oct 30 14:44:50 <kd8ikt> preffereably one with usb outputs ;)
Oct 30 14:45:20 <kd8ikt> cant you just hook up your normal charger to the battery?
Oct 30 14:45:43 <kd8ikt> wait a tick
Oct 30 14:46:00 <kd8ikt> that would be bad
Oct 30 14:47:08 <kd8ikt> power inverter
Oct 30 14:47:40 <kd8ikt> like this http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0695
Oct 30 14:48:07 <kd8ikt> 20$
Oct 30 14:50:13 <m0d0r> hi! how can i change wallpaper in 2008.8 ?
Oct 30 14:50:16 <m0d0r> ;-)
Oct 30 14:51:00 <lindi-> m0d0r: 1) find out what the current wallpaper is
Oct 30 14:51:09 <beni_> m0d0r: you need to decompile the edje theme, configure it to use your wallpaper and then recompile it
Oct 30 14:51:10 <lindi-> m0d0r: 2) grep for the name of the wallpaper in /
Oct 30 14:51:43 <m0d0r> hmmmm aha
Oct 30 14:51:50 <m0d0r> so it is not so easy ;-)
Oct 30 14:52:02 <beni_> lindi-: as far as i know, wallpapers aren't stored in filesystem
Oct 30 14:52:09 <beni_> at least, illume does not use the files there
Oct 30 14:53:03 <batchy> wallpaper is stored into the edje file iirc
Oct 30 15:01:14 <kd8ikt> re remoko is cool
Oct 30 15:03:44 <uhsf> i was here yesterday asking for the general opinion about Google Android being open source, which seemed not to be appealing to FreeRunner owners
Oct 30 15:04:33 <Elleo> uhsf: depends who you talk to, some people are busy attempting to port it already
Oct 30 15:04:46 <Elleo> others don't really care, as it's not what they're after in a phone platform
Oct 30 15:05:01 <uhsf> now this morning i just read an arcticle about OpenMoko working on an Android phone, what about THAT
Oct 30 15:05:24 <ieatlint> that's not a question
Oct 30 15:05:46 <lindi-> uhsf: that won't fix my wlan bugs :)
Oct 30 15:06:28 <uhsf> it's now clear that OpenMoko has no more real Free software intentions than Google
Oct 30 15:06:58 <ieatlint> by creating a device that can run android?
Oct 30 15:07:13 <lindi-> uhsf: openmoko inc?
Oct 30 15:08:03 <Deubeuliou> Hi
Oct 30 15:08:06 <ieatlint> i read info today talking about the gta03 likely being based on the samsung 6410 soc
Oct 30 15:08:53 <ieatlint> 667mhz arm11... usb2.0, real 3d, wvga res and a bunch of other intriguing specs
Oct 30 15:09:08 <Deubeuliou> I'm trying to size xterm's font up but trying "xrdb -load /etc/X11/Xdefaults" complains about /usr/bin/cpp missing
Oct 30 15:09:38 <Deubeuliou> installing cpp doesn't help
Oct 30 15:10:33 <sylar> ieatlint: where do you read this?
Oct 30 15:10:54 <ieatlint> mailing list, hah
Oct 30 15:11:28 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: strace?
Oct 30 15:13:56 <ieatlint> anyway, i spread only rumour, and i don't claim it to be fact
Oct 30 15:16:13 <Deubeuliou> lindi-, http://pastebin.com/d71404ad2
Oct 30 15:17:26 <Deubeuliou> the cpp error only comes when I don't use strace
Oct 30 15:19:00 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: are you saying strace changes the behavior of the program?
Oct 30 15:19:18 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: 195. open("./Xdefaults", O_RDONLY)           = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Oct 30 15:20:11 <Deubeuliou> hmmm I don't now, actually
Oct 30 15:20:17 <Deubeuliou> I'll try with the fll file name
Oct 30 15:20:30 <lindi-> fll?
Oct 30 15:20:36 <Deubeuliou> full
Oct 30 15:23:49 <Deubeuliou> http://pastebin.com/d352f8aac
Oct 30 15:24:54 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: DISPLAY=:0 strace -o strace.out -f -s50 xrdb -load /etc/X11/Xdefaults
Oct 30 15:26:26 <Deubeuliou> ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
Oct 30 15:26:26 <Deubeuliou> sh: /usr/bin/cpp: not found
Oct 30 15:26:39 <Deubeuliou> I send you the output file as well
Oct 30 15:27:21 <Deubeuliou> http://pastebin.com/d3ab4fd61
Oct 30 15:29:41 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: should be easy to see that /usr/bin/cpp does not exist
Oct 30 15:29:53 <lindi-> 312. 1926  execve("/usr/bin/cpp", ["/usr/
Oct 30 15:30:04 <lindi-> 314. 1926  <... execve resumed> )            = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Oct 30 15:30:23 <Deubeuliou> yeah, in fact, it doesn"t exists. but what is it(is it the compiler ?), and why does it need it
Oct 30 15:30:39 <Deubeuliou> installing cpp didn't create such a file
Oct 30 15:34:26 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: it's a preprocessor
Oct 30 15:34:32 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: apt-get install cpp fixes it here
Oct 30 15:34:40 <Deubeuliou> not here :s
Oct 30 15:34:46 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: in fact, i can't have xrdb installed without getting cpp automatically
Oct 30 15:34:52 <Deubeuliou> ah
Oct 30 15:34:59 <Deubeuliou> maybe I chould make a link
Oct 30 15:35:10 <Deubeuliou> *should
Oct 30 15:35:10 <lindi-> sounds like broken distro to me :)
Oct 30 15:36:35 <pb__> you might want to just fix your x scripts to use "xrdb -nocpp".
Oct 30 15:36:57 <pb__> with modern gccs, you have to install the whole compiler (more or less) to get cpp, and that's quite a flash footprint.
Oct 30 15:37:47 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r371925fffa59 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update moko-gtk-engine to include the mediaplayer
Oct 30 15:38:36 <Deubeuliou> well, the command succeeded but the font is not any larger :p
Oct 30 15:38:42 <pb__> if you really do need cpp then you might want to find some old version of gcc (say, 2.95 or so) where it was still a separate binary and use that.
Oct 30 15:39:23 <Deubeuliou> I just made a link
Oct 30 15:39:42 <Deubeuliou> /urs/bin/cpp -> /lib/cpp
Oct 30 17:01:53 <lloyd_fedora> does anyone know the status of the android port to the freerunner
Oct 30 17:05:22 <ulf> lloyd_fedora: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
Oct 30 17:06:01 <lloyd_fedora> ulf: thanks
Oct 30 17:06:44 <LuYu> has anybody compiled the android source for the freerunner yet?
Oct 30 17:07:05 <ulf> lloyd_fedora: np, there is also a link on the distributions  page of www.openmoko.org
Oct 30 17:07:49 <ulf> LuYu: same link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 looks like yes
Oct 30 17:10:41 <LuYu> i hope he means .img images and not .png images ;-)
Oct 30 17:12:10 <ulf> LuYu: you mean he compiled .png images from source ... interessting
Oct 30 17:12:33 <LuYu> hahahaha
Oct 30 17:12:49 <LuYu> that would be an interesting compile
Oct 30 17:20:16 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r7299c3b04e52 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/input.py: 
Oct 30 17:20:16 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: input: deliver duration (i.e. number of seconds the key was held) also for the 'release' signal.
Oct 30 17:20:16 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: Note: This is a minor API enhancement which should be backwards-compatible since the docs told that
Oct 30 17:20:18 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: the duration field was previously only used for the 'held' signal.
Oct 30 17:20:20 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r74a8cf806d86 10framework/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: 
Oct 30 17:20:23 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: rules: change Suspend rule to only fire on a button release when the button has not been held for one second
Oct 30 17:20:26 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: or longer
Oct 30 17:20:58 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5f22e7b714ab 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Oct 30 17:26:12 <Dave> haha, lint
Oct 30 17:26:45 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r17446dca8b36 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: catch up with slight API extension in org.freesmartphone.Device.Input
Oct 30 17:35:38 <thomasgruebler> hello
Oct 30 17:35:44 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd91fe7109244 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: oprofile: Bump up preferred version of oprofile to 0.9.4 to match current kernel version
Oct 30 17:35:54 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rbfab3c500173 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: update strace to 4.5.15 due to #1829.
Oct 30 17:36:05 <thomasgruebler> where can i buy the debuc connector? not the board. i only need the connector.
Oct 30 17:36:32 <thomasgruebler> because i want to use the serial lines on the db connector
Oct 30 17:39:34 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r806f18d48bae 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: oprofile: Bump up preferred version of oprofile to 0.9.4 to match current kernel version
Oct 30 17:40:07 <bedboi> hi there
Oct 30 17:40:37 <bedboi> anyone can tell me what's the newest image/kernel for neo1973?
Oct 30 17:43:00 <kdean06> I've followed the instructions on the DebianOnNei1973 page, used the installer script and modified uBoot's menu entries. When I attempt to boot Debian, I get the error that uImage.bin can't be found (it IS on the first SD partition) and that there's a "bad magic number". 
Oct 30 17:43:16 <kdean06> Can anyone point me in the direction of correcting this so that I can boot Debian?
Oct 30 17:43:53 <kdean06> Neo. I'm not sure who Neil is.
Oct 30 17:50:43 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf5a2ef90e9d8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/power/power-helpers.c: Emit correcr signal when status changes. Catch up with frameworkd
Oct 30 17:50:44 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r659a26e5b49c 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h): 
Oct 30 17:50:44 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: catch up with frameworkd. Report held seconds for release event as well
Oct 30 17:50:44 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: (Untested)
Oct 30 17:52:15 <slalomsk8er> Hi, what is with the snv server? I can't get the source for the dfu-util :(
Oct 30 17:55:06 <Dave> svn?
Oct 30 17:55:15 <Dave> you want the source for it?
Oct 30 17:55:26 <Dave> the daily built binary is always available
Oct 30 17:55:31 <Dave> otherwise the source should be there as well
Oct 30 17:55:48 <Dave> I'm not sure it's in the same repository though.
Oct 30 17:58:49 <mjr> noniin, jaksoinpa viimein tehdä hupnet-login-skriptin, http://mjr.iki.fi/software/huplog
Oct 30 17:58:54 <mjr> tästä oli kerta joskus puhetta täälläkin
Oct 30 17:59:40 * Ke pats mjr 
Oct 30 18:00:12 <Dave> terve
Oct 30 18:00:22 <Ke> perkele!
Oct 30 18:00:26 <Dave> :D
Oct 30 18:00:44 <Dave> kiitos
Oct 30 18:00:48 <mjr> well oops, should've gone to #openmoko-fi
Oct 30 18:01:16 <mjr> I'm under killer medication, that's my story and I'm sticking to it
Oct 30 18:01:26 <Dave> o_O
Oct 30 18:01:50 <Dave> suuuuuuuuuuuuuure
Oct 30 18:01:55 <Dave> ¬_¬
Oct 30 18:02:17 <Ke> Dave: interesting vocabulary
Oct 30 18:02:23 <mjr> anyway, the script is a login script to a local uni webform auth wlan if somebody's interested in stuff like that
Oct 30 18:02:32 <mjr> adaptable to others certainly
Oct 30 18:03:26 <mjr> as-is useful to people not hanging around the uni of helsinki, doubtful
Oct 30 18:03:27 <Ke> hmm I have some perl script for hut wlan authentification as well
Oct 30 18:03:38 <techiem2-r> hmm
Oct 30 18:03:53 <Ke> but HUT is going for all open wlan \o/
Oct 30 18:04:13 * techiem2-r looks at script
Oct 30 18:25:57 <xnx> hi
Oct 30 18:33:57 <candrews> I just flashed my Freerunner with OM2008.9, and it wont' boot. It just hangs out at the nice new "openmoko" splash screen.
Oct 30 18:36:17 <uhsf> splash screens suck
Oct 30 18:37:44 <uhsf> on 2007.2, when the progress bar is full, it still needs almost one minute to boot
Oct 30 18:38:28 <uhsf> useless
Oct 30 18:42:15 <Blalien> Is there any info about the progress on Android for the Freerunner?
Oct 30 18:43:50 <toggles_w> 12:05 < ulf> lloyd_fedora: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
Oct 30 18:46:39 <Blalien> thanks
Oct 30 18:52:59 <uhsf> it'll be interesting to see if Android will make FR a stable phone before OpenMoko
Oct 30 18:54:43 <kd8ikt> lol
Oct 30 18:55:12 <ezekiel-v3> or how OpenMoko will make the G1 a better phone than it is with Android
Oct 30 18:56:04 <candrews> OpenMoko is all Free software, mostly GPL. It's an ideological different project versus Android. Android is all BSD/APL-style, and I bet many company will take the code and lock it away.
Oct 30 18:57:28 <ezekiel-v3> anyone who is clamouring to write some apps in that Java-esque language, raise your hand
Oct 30 18:58:39 <gurugentoo> c# ?
Oct 30 18:58:40 <ezekiel-v3> what's the GUI like? Anything as nice as the EFL stuff?
Oct 30 18:59:51 <bumbl> ezekiel-v3: use whatever java toolkit you like (swt,...)
Oct 30 19:00:04 <ezekiel-v3> nah - not c# - it literally is Java, or a java derivitive
Oct 30 19:00:18 <bumbl> initial java startup takes its time but then it's quite responsive
Oct 30 19:00:26 <kd8ikt> from what i understand... its just another dbus
Oct 30 19:00:46 <ezekiel-v3> kd8ikt: what is?
Oct 30 19:00:58 <ezekiel-v3> dbus is just a messaging bus
Oct 30 19:01:10 <kd8ikt> that lil green thing
Oct 30 19:01:29 <kd8ikt> android
Oct 30 19:01:44 <ezekiel-v3> I think you're confused
Oct 30 19:02:32 <ezekiel-v3> From http://code.google.com/android/documentation.html: The Android platform is a software stack for mobile devices including an operating system, middleware and key applications.
Oct 30 19:02:47 <ezekiel-v3> From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus: D-Bus is a message bus system, a simple way for applications to talk to one another.
Oct 30 19:03:16 <ezekiel-v3> maybe Android includes dbus
Oct 30 19:09:57 <Ackii_3aya> добрый вечер
Oct 30 19:29:23 <toggles_w> 5
Oct 30 19:43:35 <henkie> will the next milestone of fso be released tomorrow?
Oct 30 19:50:07 <opentrinity> a stupid question: I have to put my ogg or mp3 files only in Documents^
Oct 30 19:50:09 <opentrinity> ?
Oct 30 19:50:34 <opentrinity> where are setting for mediaplayer to browse my files
Oct 30 19:57:54 <alexxy> is there a way to add non latin characters to illume keyboard?
Oct 30 19:58:42 <alexxy> or how make another layout and dictionary?
Oct 30 20:11:05 <tomboy64> is there something i need to install in order to get bluetooth on my om2008.9 running?
Oct 30 20:11:13 <tomboy64> hcitool dev doesn't show any devices
Oct 30 20:11:39 <tomboy64> hcitool scan tells me no such device
Oct 30 20:11:45 <SpeedEvil> you have turned it on?
Oct 30 20:11:55 <SpeedEvil> lsusb show it?
Oct 30 20:11:56 <tomboy64> in the settings-app it says so
Oct 30 20:12:24 <tomboy64> uhm
Oct 30 20:12:26 <tomboy64> no
Oct 30 20:12:28 <tomboy64> ?
Oct 30 20:12:31 <tomboy64> lsusb
Oct 30 20:12:33 <tomboy64> Bus 1 Device 1: ID 0000:0000  
Oct 30 20:12:35 <tomboy64> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Oct 30 20:13:41 <tomboy64> /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on is 1
Oct 30 20:13:43 <SpeedEvil> Ok - then it's not on.
Oct 30 20:13:53 <tomboy64> ok
Oct 30 20:13:58 <tomboy64> how do i switch it on then?
Oct 30 20:14:01 <SpeedEvil> try echoing 1 to that
Oct 30 20:14:05 <tomboy64> i did
Oct 30 20:14:09 <SpeedEvil> hmm.
Oct 30 20:14:21 <SpeedEvil> you've not been doing host mode stuff?
Oct 30 20:14:30 <tomboy64> uh?
Oct 30 20:14:34 <tomboy64> like?
Oct 30 20:14:37 <SpeedEvil> prolly not hten
Oct 30 20:14:40 <tomboy64> ^^
Oct 30 20:14:42 <SpeedEvil> trying to plug stuff into the USB
Oct 30 20:15:24 <tomboy64> nu
Oct 30 20:15:33 <tomboy64> well, i have it connected to my laptop
Oct 30 20:15:38 <tomboy64> and sshing into it
Oct 30 20:15:40 <SpeedEvil> No, not that.
Oct 30 20:15:43 <tomboy64> :)
Oct 30 20:15:55 * SpeedEvil is out of ideas.
Oct 30 20:16:06 <SpeedEvil> Past 'turn it off and on again'.
Oct 30 20:17:28 <tomboy64> let's try
Oct 30 20:18:48 * DocScrutinizer likes the idea of wasting 0.3mA for a nice little LED for each subsystem to show state
Oct 30 20:19:27 <SpeedEvil> 0.3mA isn't very visible in bright light.
Oct 30 20:20:04 <DocScrutinizer> so you are't supposed to develop in bright sun ;-) Devels are creatures of the night :-D
Oct 30 20:21:13 <DocScrutinizer> get Urself a black bag, if you can't stop developing during daytime
Oct 30 20:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: how 'visible' are the LEDs on the 100Bt RJ45 receptacle on the backside of your desktop PC? Still they're incredibly useful
Oct 30 20:48:18 <bricode_> ezekiel-v3: Android does in fact contain dbus.
Oct 30 21:01:37 <kd8ikt> omg omg omg fso M4 out in in 100min
Oct 30 21:02:10 <kd8ikt> but we all know nothing thats probably not going to happen
Oct 30 21:02:16 <cjb> ooh
Oct 30 21:02:28 <kd8ikt> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap
Oct 30 21:10:11 <rpx__> Hey guys, I am suffering from the WSoD problem, nothing have happend for 3 weeks, is it time to return the phone?
Oct 30 21:10:53 <kristian_paul> there is way to use radio on free runner?
Oct 30 21:11:38 <kristian_paul> not streaming
Oct 30 21:11:45 <mjr> it has some four radios, three two-way. Elaborate.
Oct 30 21:12:18 <mjr> it does not receive FM broadcast radio, if you mean that
Oct 30 21:12:18 <kristian_paul> i mean listen fm radio
Oct 30 21:12:23 <SpeedEvil> Four?
Oct 30 21:12:29 <SpeedEvil> kristian-m: not directly
Oct 30 21:12:30 <Flyser> he means GPS
Oct 30 21:12:35 <kristian_paul> umm
Oct 30 21:12:44 <SpeedEvil> kristian-m: you could in principle connect a USB radio
Oct 30 21:12:51 <kristian_paul> yeap
Oct 30 21:13:07 <kristian_paul> i wainting for  GTA03 to buy and openmoko
Oct 30 21:13:15 <kristian_paul> i really need edge and camera
Oct 30 21:13:32 <kristian_paul> but radio is not a priority
Oct 30 21:13:33 <SpeedEvil> kristian-m: don't expect it for christmas.
Oct 30 21:13:41 <kristian_paul> :-(
Oct 30 21:14:31 <rpx__> anyone who know a good way to make the wsod "better" or bearable
Oct 30 21:15:19 <rooly> you could have it play a fun christmas carol, rpx__
Oct 30 21:15:27 <rpx__> hehe
Oct 30 21:15:35 <rpx__> true, 
Oct 30 21:16:15 <rpx__> I heard about one guy who solved it by changing the screen (physically)
Oct 30 21:16:25 <rpx__> so it seems hardware related
Oct 30 21:17:26 <rpx__> Do you think it worth try to exchange the phone, so I have one that works? (and plays christmas carols)
Oct 30 21:18:06 <kd8ikt> or a kernel
Oct 30 21:18:08 <wilhelmb_> have anyone tried to play avi-files on the GTA02?
Oct 30 21:18:21 <kd8ikt> mplayer
Oct 30 21:18:39 <wilhelmb_> is it powerful enough?
Oct 30 21:18:39 <Flyser> wilhelmb_: there is an article about that in the wiki
Oct 30 21:18:46 <Flyser> yes and no
Oct 30 21:19:00 <rpx__> kd8ikt: is there any kernel, old or knew, without the WSoD?
Oct 30 21:19:15 <wilhelmb_> Flyser: oki, thx
Oct 30 21:19:15 <Flyser> only @320x240 and with reencoding
Oct 30 21:19:47 <rpx__> kd8ikt: I wouldn't mind "downgrading" if i got ride of the WSoD
Oct 30 21:20:00 <Flyser> and the quality is not "good"
Oct 30 21:20:28 <Flyser> maybe it running the cpu at 500mhz helps a little bit
Oct 30 21:21:22 <kd8ikt> mplayer -playlist http://dir.xiph.org/listen/2465301/listen.m3u
Oct 30 21:25:03 <rooly> haha, holy crap, that rocks, kd8ikt
Oct 30 21:26:03 <kd8ikt> http://dir.xiph.org/index.php
Oct 30 21:27:35 <rooly> neat
Oct 30 21:28:01 <rooly> are there any releases of dillo with ssl built in?
Oct 30 21:28:17 <rooly> all the other web browsers crash on my school's network
Oct 30 21:28:32 <Ke> even elinks?
Oct 30 21:28:56 <rooly> it has to do with the network authentication they use
Oct 30 21:29:05 <Ke> heh
Oct 30 21:29:25 <rooly> i have to log-in to a webpage each time the wireless network is aquired
Oct 30 21:30:03 <rooly> and minimo and the repo one both don't work
Oct 30 21:30:07 <kd8ikt> captive portal
Oct 30 21:30:10 <kd8ikt> :P
Oct 30 21:30:12 <Ke> yeah it's a common practice, just those pages typically do not crash browsers
Oct 30 21:30:33 <kd8ikt> it will if you fill it with garbage flare
Oct 30 21:30:56 <rooly> i don't think the page itself would crash, but for first time use a device has to register with the network
Oct 30 21:31:05 * SpeedEvil found a page which (with FF3) crashed X.
Oct 30 21:31:15 <rooly> ?
Oct 30 21:31:17 <rooly> wow
Oct 30 21:31:44 <dodo1122> window 20
Oct 30 21:31:50 <dodo1122> oops
Oct 30 21:32:10 <Ke> linux 2.6
Oct 30 21:32:29 <rooly> i hate pointless research papers...
Oct 30 21:32:57 <Ke> studying chemistry?
Oct 30 21:33:07 <rooly> no, english 102...
Oct 30 21:39:40 <Dave> drooly
Oct 30 21:43:17 <rooly> Drape
Oct 30 22:49:05 <rooly> guys
Oct 30 22:49:13 <Dave> gals
Oct 30 22:49:21 <rooly> why does uboot use debug by default to boot?
Oct 30 22:56:43 <Dave> Because it's retarded?
Oct 30 23:03:53 <Dave> :]
Oct 30 23:18:40 <Dave> slow freerunners
Oct 30 23:18:45 <Dave> they're so depressing
Oct 30 23:19:29 <gurugentoo> slow software you mean hehe
Oct 30 23:20:02 <moo---> Dave: saying slow means that you managed to boot up one :)
Oct 30 23:20:38 <KenYoung> My fist personal computer had a 150 kilohertz CPU.   THAT was a slow machine.
Oct 30 23:20:55 <KenYoung> ooops, first, nost fist.
Oct 30 23:21:14 <SpeedEvil> My first computer had a 'Slow mode'
Oct 30 23:21:34 <SpeedEvil> (Z80, 1K, most of its time in slow mode was spent doing the screen painting)
Oct 30 23:21:58 <Tig|> SpeedEvil: you mean a non-turbo mode :)
Oct 30 23:22:09 <cjb_ie> ZX80? ZX81 ?
Oct 30 23:22:11 <SpeedEvil> Run-length compressed char screen buffer, painted to video from RAM.
Oct 30 23:22:16 <SpeedEvil> ZX81 actually
Oct 30 23:22:33 <cjb_ie> the screen buffer was compressed?!? mad.
Oct 30 23:22:41 <Tig|> I have a Speccy 16K powerhouse here :) 
Oct 30 23:22:53 <SpeedEvil> Well - charset in ROM, chars in RAM
Oct 30 23:23:12 <Tig|> (the 32K versions were for ricers and gentoo users :P )
Oct 30 23:23:23 <SpeedEvil> cjb: yes - I'm not sure if it was proper run-length, or just eliminating spaces at the end of the line
Oct 30 23:24:33 * cjb_ie ponders: 32x24 chars on screen. yowch, that'd occupy most of 1k of ram
Oct 30 23:24:41 <cjb_ie> at 1 byte/char
Oct 30 23:24:58 <Tig|> Sinclair Basic did have a good way of forcing correct syntax though :)   remember the flashing K cursor :)
Oct 30 23:25:09 <cjb_ie> oh, you could fool that
Oct 30 23:25:24 <cjb_ie> with key repeat, or just moving the cursor before whatever you just inserted
Oct 30 23:26:14 <Tig|> I remember it could be a little sod,  and that if you did not use the command key and typed it, it would not work
Oct 30 23:28:37 <cjb_ie> yeah, it was a different token :)
Oct 30 23:29:10 <Tig|> that and using symbol lock to do the quote marks etc :)
Oct 30 23:29:53 <cjb_ie> don't forget extended mode
Oct 30 23:30:07 <cjb_ie> and graphics mode!
Oct 30 23:30:25 <cjb_ie> POKE 23609,10
Oct 30 23:30:35 <cjb_ie> bip, bibip, bip
Oct 30 23:30:52 <Tig|> meeee meeeeeeeppppp CKKKKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXKXXXXKKXKXKXKX
Oct 30 23:31:08 <cjb_ie> Tig|: ram pack wobble?
Oct 30 23:31:16 <Tig|> loading from tape :)
Oct 30 23:31:38 <cjb_ie> oh, my QL sounded like that one time when a screw fell out of the underside of the keyboard onto the PCB
Oct 30 23:32:24 <Tig|> eek
Oct 30 23:32:57 <cjb_ie> it was fine afterwards though :)
Oct 30 23:33:09 * SpeedEvil never did the QL.
Oct 30 23:33:12 <Tig|> heh :)
Oct 30 23:33:41 * cjb_ie wrote 68008 assembler that hit the screen ram directly for speed
Oct 30 23:34:02 <cjb_ie> 512x256 pixels at 2bpp - 32k. starting at address 131072
Oct 30 23:34:05 <SpeedEvil> ZX81->Spectrum->PCW512->Amstrad 386 PC->random clones
Oct 30 23:34:26 <Tig|> my early machine experience went Speccy 16k to BBC B to Amstrad PC1640 (early PC) - 486SX :)
Oct 30 23:34:29 <cjb_ie> the hardware could address a second framebuffer starting at 163840
Oct 30 23:34:45 <cjb_ie> but all the sinclair ROMs mapped the system variables there
Oct 30 23:34:54 <SpeedEvil> Only used the Beeb at school.
Oct 30 23:35:18 <SpeedEvil> With these monitors that if you touched the edge of the screen shocked you.
Oct 30 23:35:31 <cjb_ie> superbasic was nice, but mindbuggeringly slow, especially to load
Oct 30 23:36:18 <Tig|> SpeedEvil: CUB monitors with steel casings  :)
Oct 30 23:36:27 <SpeedEvil> Tig|: CUB rings a bell.
Oct 30 23:36:41 <Tig|> my god they could generate some static :)
Oct 30 23:36:44 <cjb_ie> (any binary files scatterloaded, so they were guaranteed to get in in one complete rev of the microdrive (about 7.5s) - but basic programs weren't saved as binary, they were saved as text - so it was more like a complete rev of the microdrive per 512byte sector)
Oct 30 23:37:05 <SpeedEvil> Err
Oct 30 23:37:10 <SpeedEvil> Wasn't it two revs?
Oct 30 23:37:12 <cjb_ie> (the microdrive motors took longer than the inter-sector gap to spin up or spin down)
Oct 30 23:37:15 <SpeedEvil> mobius strip and all?
Oct 30 23:37:29 * SpeedEvil is suffering from bit-rot of that era.
Oct 30 23:37:31 <cjb_ie> okay, one logical rev
Oct 30 23:37:38 <cjb_ie> i never heard about them being mobius strip
Oct 30 23:38:01 <cjb_ie> but it would make sense, doubling storage per head
Oct 30 23:39:39 <SpeedEvil> Wikipedia doesn't say mobius - but...
Oct 30 23:40:45 <Ke> moebius
Oct 30 23:47:18 <Dave> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
Oct 30 23:50:54 <Tig|> nn all
Oct 30 23:53:24 * SpeedEvil turns Ke inside out.
Oct 30 23:53:29 <Dave> eek
Oct 30 23:55:10 <Dave> fucking usb
Oct 30 23:55:50 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03werner * r4735 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (6 files): 
Oct 30 23:55:50 <CIA-50> openmoko: s3cmci currently doesn't work with our SDIO, although it did not too
Oct 30 23:55:50 <CIA-50> openmoko: long ago. To find the cause, we revert all the recent changes, and
Oct 30 23:55:50 <CIA-50> openmoko: examine them one by one.
Oct 30 23:56:08 <Dave> heh
Oct 30 23:56:21 <DocScrutinizer2> duh, 7.5sec/rev??? use turbotape!
Oct 30 23:56:45 <Dave> Joerg :D
Oct 31 00:03:42 <Dave> oh man
Oct 31 00:03:49 <Dave> I wish my freerunner had a punchcard slot :\
Oct 31 00:04:34 <SpeedEvil> 9 edge forward.
Oct 31 00:04:43 <SpeedEvil> OTOH.
Oct 31 00:04:47 <SpeedEvil> Camera will do that.
Oct 31 00:04:54 <Dave> :D
Oct 31 00:05:07 * SpeedEvil adds that to category:'reasons for a camera'
Oct 31 00:05:16 <Dave> hah
Oct 31 00:05:22 <Dave> good call
Oct 31 00:07:03 <DocScrutinizer2> add a *decent* laserpointer for card punch
Oct 31 00:07:20 <Dave> :D
Oct 31 00:07:22 <Dave> yay
Oct 31 00:07:32 <Dave> oh and none of this shit usb either please
Oct 31 00:07:38 <Dave> I'm tired of ALL the issues
Oct 31 00:07:42 <Dave> and exploding cables/buses
Oct 31 00:08:10 <SpeedEvil> Exploding buses are generally caused by religious differences.
Oct 31 00:08:31 <muxe> -.-
Oct 31 00:08:39 <Dave> hahaha
Oct 31 00:08:45 <Dave> nice.
Oct 31 00:08:47 <Dave> And yeah
Oct 31 00:08:49 <DocScrutinizer2> btw: just printed 140 p. on my HP 1505 laser, and it started SMOKING :o
Oct 31 00:09:01 <Dave> This is like what, the twentieth time I've suggested that jihadists use freerunners.
Oct 31 00:09:11 <Dave> Joerg - sounds hot :D
Oct 31 00:09:11 <SpeedEvil> doc|home: inform it that your office is a non-smoking area.
Oct 31 00:09:14 <Dave> literally XD
Oct 31 00:09:19 <Dave> hahaha
Oct 31 00:10:50 <DocScrutinizer2> wonder what's going to happen on 400p :-\
Oct 31 00:11:44 <SpeedEvil> If it's first use, it can just be contamination on the fuser roller heaters burning off.
Oct 31 00:12:34 <Dave> rofl
Oct 31 00:12:37 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Oct 31 00:12:38 <Dave> I blacklisted my own public key.
Oct 31 00:12:57 <Sargun> Hahaha
Oct 31 00:13:06 <Sargun> When will I get my 3rd GTA02?
Oct 31 00:13:11 <Sargun> I ordered 3, I only got 2.
Oct 31 00:13:13 <Sargun> I'm sad.
Oct 31 00:13:16 <Dave> Oh snap!
Oct 31 00:13:26 <Dave> Let's revolt!
Oct 31 00:13:36 <Sargun> -_-
Oct 31 00:13:41 * Sargun kills Dave 
Oct 31 00:15:47 <Dave> :O
Oct 31 00:15:51 <Dave> moidah!
Oct 31 00:38:16 <chi> ok so i got a second sim for my neo
Oct 31 00:38:26 <chi> it doesn't work either!
Oct 31 00:38:29 * chi cries
Oct 31 00:41:08 <gurugentoo> t-mobile works for me
Oct 31 00:41:14 <chi> i use at&t
Oct 31 00:41:17 <chi> i
Oct 31 00:41:21 <gurugentoo> ouch
Oct 31 00:41:23 <chi> 'm locked into a contract
Oct 31 00:41:52 <gurugentoo> weird how they're not compatible
Oct 31 00:43:50 <chi> the first sim had issues because it's contact points were not centered so the clip that holds it on shorts out the sim
Oct 31 00:44:53 <chi> it was a 71234g and someone in here said they had the same problem and to get a 712340 it worked great for him. 
Oct 31 00:45:01 <chi> not so good for me =/
Oct 31 00:45:11 <chi> at&t had no other types of sims to try
Oct 31 00:45:17 <chi> what do i doooo?!
Oct 31 00:45:35 <chi> you do just stick it in and turn on the phone right?
Oct 31 00:45:52 <gurugentoo> yep
Oct 31 00:45:52 <chi> theres no special software to run?
Oct 31 00:45:56 <Dave> Chi!
Oct 31 00:46:01 * chi kicks rocks
Oct 31 00:46:05 <chi> hi Dave =\
Oct 31 00:46:52 * chi is sad
Oct 31 00:47:07 <slaxxin> just go to a different at&t store till u find  a sim with the contacts more centered  an it will cost u at most 6 bucks
Oct 31 00:47:36 <chi> it looks like it touches fine now
Oct 31 00:47:40 * chi shrugs
Oct 31 00:48:09 <gurugentoo> maybe part is touching that shouldn't?
Oct 31 00:48:16 <chi> and the same sim worked for ... shit i forget his name
Oct 31 00:48:23 <chi> someone in here heh
Oct 31 00:48:24 <slaxxin> its not supposed to touch the tab
Oct 31 00:48:36 <chi> yes the first one did touch the tab
Oct 31 00:48:41 <chi> the second one does not
Oct 31 00:48:44 <slaxxin> ok
Oct 31 00:48:48 * chi pulls it apart again
Oct 31 00:52:15 <chi> as far as i can tell it lines right up
Oct 31 00:52:39 <slaxxin> wont register?
Oct 31 00:52:58 <chi> let me boot and get the exact message
Oct 31 00:53:23 <slaxxin> so which sim u have now?
Oct 31 00:53:41 <chi> 71234D
Oct 31 00:53:46 <slaxxin> ahhh
Oct 31 00:54:01 <chi> and the old one was a 71234g
Oct 31 00:54:27 <slaxxin> did u check the site about that 71234D card?
Oct 31 00:55:52 <chi> i got the url at work
Oct 31 00:56:36 <chi> CRAP 
Oct 31 00:56:38 <chi> it is listed
Oct 31 00:56:43 <yerba> debian run on HTCG1?
Oct 31 00:56:44 * chi kicks the wall
Oct 31 00:57:22 <yerba> anyone used Acer/Asus phones. do they run debian ?
Oct 31 00:57:31 <chi> as does not register
Oct 31 00:57:34 * chi cries
Oct 31 00:57:58 <slaxxin> AT&T    Failed to register    71234 D   US    see below   Safire    Switched to T-Mobile    Got strong Signal Bars with 2007.2 image despite "Registering...". Actually managed to dial and remote phone showed number, but never completed a full call. Dialer kept crashing. Pre-paid brand new sim,
Oct 31 00:58:14 <yerba> 2k7.2 is old innit
Oct 31 00:58:20 <yerba> isnt it up to like 2009.0 or smth
Oct 31 00:58:21 <slaxxin> straight from the wiki
Oct 31 00:58:40 <slaxxin> u need a 71234O
Oct 31 00:59:04 <chi> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card
Oct 31 00:59:08 <chi> there are even pictures!
Oct 31 00:59:11 * chi head desks
Oct 31 00:59:28 <chi> both of the ones i got are wrong!
Oct 31 00:59:38 <slaxxin> that 71234G card i had would work sometimes   if u moved it around just right
Oct 31 00:59:40 <yerba> i can deal with the broekn OS. . but not broken HW. any idea when GTA03 is coming? im thinkiing of just getting a G1 and upgrading to moko later
Oct 31 00:59:59 <slaxxin> buy it from walmart
Oct 31 01:00:08 <yerba> well the reuqird dataplan is suck
Oct 31 01:00:10 <yerba> 55 a month for a phone?
Oct 31 01:00:14 <yerba> im fine with wifi for data
Oct 31 01:00:22 <yerba> can you text w/o a data plan?
Oct 31 01:00:25 <yerba> i am clueless on this shit
Oct 31 01:00:34 <yerba> if 40 a month only includes phone minutes and not even text, thats just sad
Oct 31 01:00:44 <yerba> i'll just do SIP and set up some roving 802.11 auto-connector
Oct 31 01:01:03 <yerba> but if G1 cant really run anything outside the Androd Java-Jail then its def wait for gta03
Oct 31 01:01:41 <yerba> all i could find for 'g1 shell' was some Java console
Oct 31 01:01:45 <yerba> accessed thru some hacked appp
Oct 31 01:01:53 <yerba> and it was juust some sandboxed java console, not bash
Oct 31 01:02:40 <slaxxin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
Oct 31 01:02:44 <yerba> its just with FIC/Acer/Asus/HTC all makking phones, we'll proably see some consolidation. i dont really see FIC succeeding imo
Oct 31 01:02:58 <Dave> good
Oct 31 01:03:05 <slaxxin> as per the wiki there are some 71234G cards that do work
Oct 31 01:04:48 <yerba> hopefully MSI enters the phone game. i liked my 12" notebook from them. lated 3 years longer than any thinkpad i had
Oct 31 01:05:18 <chi> slaxxin, i no longer have that one
Oct 31 01:05:37 <chi> i will go back to a third at&t as soon as i can
Oct 31 01:05:38 <chi> heh
Oct 31 01:07:06 <Dave> :|
Oct 31 01:07:08 <yerba> Ekiga+SIP/IAX DID + outgoing minutes will cost about $8 a month based on my past exp with a netbook. so its an issue of the SMS then
Oct 31 01:07:14 <yerba> are there free SMS gateways over HTTP or sometyhing?
Oct 31 01:07:23 <yerba> knowing SMS, the telcos wanna rape you to send messages to them.?
Oct 31 01:07:25 <chi> it's my own fault i should of searched the site
Oct 31 01:13:28 <yerba> ok well, youre as useless as openmok
Oct 31 01:15:20 <chi> =/
Oct 31 01:27:22 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03werner * r4736 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (fix-mmc-busy-loop-on-bytes.patch series): fix-mmc-busy-loop-on-bytes.patch: prevent s3cmci from hanging.
Oct 31 01:28:08 <Dave> chi, my AT&T 3G sim works fine...
Oct 31 01:28:51 <chi> Dave, is yours listed as good on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_and_not_working_AT.26T_card ?
Oct 31 01:29:21 <Dave> No idea
Oct 31 01:29:23 <Dave> It's a fireball
Oct 31 01:29:25 <chi> i have tried two and i just found out now that both are listed as bad
Oct 31 01:29:27 <Dave> It works
Oct 31 01:29:31 <chi> fireball?
Oct 31 01:29:33 <Dave> yes
Oct 31 01:29:48 <chi> can you pull it out and check the id number?
Oct 31 01:29:53 <Dave> uggh
Oct 31 01:29:56 <chi> no worries duude
Oct 31 01:29:59 <Dave> :P
Oct 31 01:30:06 <chi> i know which ones are good now
Oct 31 01:30:20 <chi> i will print it off and make a bunch of calls to track one down
Oct 31 01:30:35 <chi> heh from work becuase i have no other phone
Oct 31 01:30:37 * chi pouts
Oct 31 01:31:50 <Dave> it looks like the one there on the wiki page
Oct 31 01:32:12 <Dave> I didn't realize people were still whoring that
Oct 31 01:32:19 <chi> ha
Oct 31 01:32:48 <chi> i got both of the two pictured under Not Working SIM pics 
Oct 31 01:32:48 <chi> AT&T 
Oct 31 01:33:08 <Dave> haha that compat table blows
Oct 31 01:34:16 <Dave> Want me to pull it and check?
Oct 31 01:34:29 <chi> it's up to you
Oct 31 01:34:30 <chi> but yeaa
Oct 31 01:34:32 <chi> =D
Oct 31 01:34:39 <Dave> or wait, I cloned it, so I might have the other one nearby with the info written on the card
Oct 31 01:34:42 <Dave> one sec
Oct 31 01:34:45 <chi> hrmz
Oct 31 01:35:09 <Dave> yeah here we go
Oct 31 01:35:14 <Dave> what did you want to know?
Oct 31 01:35:18 <chi> the id number
Oct 31 01:36:01 <chi> 7123?
Oct 31 01:36:09 <Dave> 71234
Oct 31 01:36:23 <chi> 71234?
Oct 31 01:36:29 <chi> no trailing letter
Oct 31 01:36:30 <chi> ?
Oct 31 01:36:45 <Dave> I should add myself to the wiki table then huh
Oct 31 01:36:46 <Dave> haha
Oct 31 01:36:51 <Dave> I gave someone this info MONTHS ago
Oct 31 01:36:56 <chi> ha
Oct 31 01:37:00 <chi> slacker =P
Oct 31 01:37:22 * Dave rips open his freerunner
Oct 31 01:37:25 * DocScrutinizer2 seems to remember a warning OWTTE numbers mean nothing and its only the shape of contacts U can tell type of card from
Oct 31 01:37:52 <Dave> should I bother to upload a picture of it to the wiki then, Joerg? :P
Oct 31 01:37:58 <Dave> like so many have clearly done
Oct 31 01:38:11 <Dave> speaking of which, My two T-mobile SIMs work fine with it too
Oct 31 01:38:19 <DocScrutinizer2> someone asked for exactly this
Oct 31 01:38:41 <Dave> Exactly what? Pictures of working SIMs? :P
Oct 31 01:38:53 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Oct 31 01:39:04 <DocScrutinizer2> IIRC
Oct 31 01:39:22 <Dave> Will do :D
Oct 31 01:39:54 <chi> if i didn't i should have
Oct 31 01:39:55 <chi> =P
Oct 31 01:39:58 <Dave> Haha, let me shut the device off properly first.
Oct 31 01:40:09 <Dave> I've blow up enough shit these past few days.
Oct 31 01:40:13 <DocScrutinizer2> I donät mind, I'll try to fix calypso Fw to kill #666
Oct 31 01:40:41 <Dave> Joerg, did you hear, somehow the usb bus shorted my battery, and surged my speakers
Oct 31 01:40:50 <chi> whoa
Oct 31 01:40:52 <Dave> Quite exciting, I guess.
Oct 31 01:40:58 <Dave> Though I wasn't so entertained.
Oct 31 01:41:25 <Dave> I still haven't bothered to check whether or not it simply shut down or fried my notebook's USB bus.
Oct 31 01:44:19 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: I'd guess same effect would be possible by a setup without FR, by simply connecting USB to speaker-cable 2.5
Oct 31 01:44:47 <Dave> well, joerg
Oct 31 01:44:53 <Dave> I'm assuming that's essentially what happened
Oct 31 01:45:04 <Dave> I [re]started the moko with both connected
Oct 31 01:45:08 <Dave> it didn't end very well
Oct 31 01:45:10 <Dave> :(
Oct 31 01:45:18 <Dave> so I hope we have a warning about that somewhere
Oct 31 01:45:19 <Dave> ALSO
Oct 31 01:45:50 <Dave> I found that (or confirmed, if someone already mentioned it somewhere?) starting the moko with other usb devices connected can result in bad juju
Oct 31 01:46:15 <KenYoung> I had never heard that.
Oct 31 01:46:27 <Dave> Hey Ken
Oct 31 01:46:44 <KenYoung> Hi Dave - sounds like you're having a rough night.
Oct 31 01:46:45 <Dave> I recall discussing it with someone else here within the past week.
Oct 31 01:46:52 <Dave> haha, a rough week is more like it - heh
Oct 31 01:47:02 <Dave> It wasn't too bad, I just had the freerunner use wireless, since it burnt out the usb :D
Oct 31 01:47:03 <KenYoung> Sorry to hear it.
Oct 31 01:47:14 <Dave> but now it's having battery issues again
Oct 31 01:47:29 <Dave> Joerg, the power issues are by far what annoy me the most unacceptable.
Oct 31 01:50:16 <Dave> So, I guess I'll add mine to the wiki and then you can see, okay Chi?
Oct 31 01:50:17 <Dave> :p
Oct 31 01:55:19 <chi> yay i got qwerty =D
Oct 31 01:55:55 <Dave> yay I took a picture of my (long-awaited?) working AT&T SIM :p
Oct 31 01:55:56 <Dave> woo
Oct 31 01:57:00 <chi> did i miss the url?
Oct 31 01:57:17 <nicfer> I've read in a blog that you'll launch the freerunner with android installed, is that right?
Oct 31 02:00:34 <slaxxin> not
Oct 31 02:00:56 <Dave> Hmm
Oct 31 02:01:02 <slaxxin> a link to that blog
Oct 31 02:02:58 <Dave> haha fuck
Oct 31 02:03:21 <Dave> I'm like, let's upload my SIM card picture to the wiki... oh WAIT, I can't plug in my flash card reader, because the freerunner burnt out my usb bus on that side...
Oct 31 02:03:25 <Dave> nice... nice...
Oct 31 02:03:25 <Dave> haha
Oct 31 02:05:22 <slaxxin> how did u burn it out dave?
Oct 31 02:05:47 <slaxxin> forcing 1A?
Oct 31 02:05:53 <mbafk> slide finger up!
Oct 31 02:05:58 <mbafk> didnt think of that
Oct 31 02:06:07 <Dave> no
Oct 31 02:06:15 <slaxxin> coffee?
Oct 31 02:06:17 <Dave> NO
Oct 31 02:06:23 <slaxxin> BEERR
Oct 31 02:06:45 * Dave pours coffee and beer on slaxxin's head and adds some electricity
Oct 31 02:06:48 <slaxxin> y jumper/
Oct 31 02:07:01 <slaxxin> mmmmmm good
Oct 31 02:07:20 <slaxxin> ahhhhhh
Oct 31 02:07:52 <slaxxin> car battery?  lololol
Oct 31 02:08:31 <slaxxin> awwwww
Oct 31 02:09:09 <slaxxin> come on tell me sos i dont fry mine
Oct 31 02:09:28 <slaxxin> i only have 1
Oct 31 02:12:16 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: your home stereo burnt your USB, not the FR!!!
Oct 31 02:17:53 <Dave> :O
Oct 31 02:18:02 <Dave> Joerg - the freerunner was the conduit!
Oct 31 02:20:26 <DocScrutinizer2> I'd really like to hear a judges opinion on that, when OM is starting a lawsuit for damage of reputation
Oct 31 02:24:35 <nicfer> it appeared first on gizmodo, later on a blog in spanish
Oct 31 02:25:25 <slaxxin> ok i c dave was embarrased
Oct 31 02:25:30 <Dave> or damage of my audio hardware
Oct 31 02:25:34 <DocScrutinizer2> I'm definitely fed up with hearing "FR explodes", "FR boils Ur brain", "FR causes tsunami in sync with solar eclypse" an what else Dave names it
Oct 31 02:25:46 <Dave> hahaha
Oct 31 02:26:06 <nicfer> http://gizmodo.com/5070738/openmoko-gta02-handset-rumored-to-join-the-android-party
Oct 31 02:26:12 <Dave> Defamation of my alter ego who happens to live in an alternate universe.
Oct 31 02:26:19 <Dave> :D
Oct 31 02:26:32 <nicfer> heh, 'a device similar to the Freerunner named GTA02
Oct 31 02:26:48 <nicfer> while the freerunner is actually the GTA02
Oct 31 02:41:43 <ulix> hello 
Oct 31 02:41:51 <ulix> anyone here
Oct 31 02:42:01 <ulix> i need help with dfu-util
Oct 31 02:42:07 <ulix>  please
Oct 31 02:42:07 <chi> 327 people here =P
Oct 31 02:42:25 <chi> what seems to be troubling you?
Oct 31 02:42:56 <ulix> ok you'll see i want to upload my courrent rootfs using dfu-util
Oct 31 02:43:15 <chi> k
Oct 31 02:43:30 <ulix> i use "dfu-util -a rootfs -U image -R"
Oct 31 02:44:04 <ulix> but it gets stuck on "dfuIDLE, continuing  Transfer Size = 0x1000
Oct 31 02:44:25 <chi> wish i could help more i'm fairly new and that is over my head
Oct 31 02:44:26 <chi> =/
Oct 31 02:44:42 <ulix> have you and idea of wat mithg be happening
Oct 31 02:44:49 <ulix> ok
Oct 31 02:44:54 <ulix> i understand
Oct 31 02:46:14 <mbafk> ulf: are you running dfu-util as root?
Oct 31 02:46:33 <mbafk> erm ulix :)
Oct 31 02:47:04 <ulix> yea
Oct 31 02:47:09 <ulix> sorry
Oct 31 02:47:49 <ulix> because i think is a bug, i was hopping some of the gurus be around 
Oct 31 02:48:47 <ulix> but better yet could you tell me a way to save my configuration, so i can simply download the backup
Oct 31 02:48:57 <ulix> to the gta02
Oct 31 02:50:00 <DocScrutinizer> ulix: you want to transfer rootfs *from* FR *to* your PC?
Oct 31 02:50:01 <mbafk> i saved my images like this: http://acet.rdg.ac.uk/~mjeg/blog.php?p=1222708636
Oct 31 02:50:07 <ulix> yea 
Oct 31 02:50:10 <mbafk> look at the second blue box
Oct 31 02:50:22 <mbafk> that is copying FR to a linux pc 
Oct 31 02:50:30 <mbafk> bootloader and all
Oct 31 02:50:38 <ulix> ok
Oct 31 02:51:02 <ulix> i will try that now
Oct 31 02:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> dfu-util has a bug so it uploads until (I guess) the end of the 256MB NAND, then quits with an error msg
Oct 31 02:51:55 <ulix> oooo
Oct 31 02:52:00 <DocScrutinizer> takes an eternity, and not sure whether U can use the created file for anything at all later on
Oct 31 02:53:08 <ulix> aja
Oct 31 02:53:15 <ulix> that a bummer
Oct 31 02:53:23 <ulix> thats a bummer
Oct 31 02:53:43 <DocScrutinizer> seems nobody ever uses dfu-util -U, as you can use scp much more selectively and comfortably
Oct 31 02:53:53 <ulix> mbafk, what version of dfu-util you have?
Oct 31 02:54:54 <ulix> aja
Oct 31 02:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> ulix: most easy way however is to copy from NAND to SDcard for a backup
Oct 31 02:55:14 <ulix> wrong question, what version of ub-bot you have 
Oct 31 02:55:32 <ulix> i will investigate that
Oct 31 02:55:52 <mbafk> ulix: my laptop is off at the mo
Oct 31 02:56:16 <ulix> ok
Oct 31 02:56:19 <ulix> dont worry 
Oct 31 02:56:27 <mbafk> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util
Oct 31 02:56:29 <mbafk> that one
Oct 31 02:56:36 <ulix> i will try to copy from nand to sd
Oct 31 02:56:44 <mbafk> -> bed
Oct 31 02:56:46 <mbafk> good luck
Oct 31 02:56:58 <ulix> thanks everyu one 
Oct 31 02:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> welcome
Oct 31 02:57:28 <ulix> like arnold say " I'll Be Back"
Oct 31 02:57:37 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
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