**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 31 02:59:57 2008 Oct 31 03:56:30 THANK YOU KEVIN DEAN Oct 31 04:41:56 so, which is the most usable distro day to day now. I lost track for a bit :/ Oct 31 04:42:19 phone distro? Oct 31 04:42:27 undrwater: free runner distro :) Oct 31 04:42:40 right...but for what purpose ;) Oct 31 04:43:06 er, day to day use :) Oct 31 04:43:15 including phone? Oct 31 04:43:19 yep Oct 31 04:43:28 prolly qtopia 4.3.x Oct 31 04:43:34 aww, crap :/ Oct 31 04:43:37 yep Oct 31 04:43:41 doc|home: debian for me Oct 31 04:43:52 I'd tried that, it wasn't *that* great. 4.4.1 was good, but too buggy just yet Oct 31 04:43:53 gurugentoo: no gentoo? Oct 31 04:43:56 gurugentoo: for calls too? Oct 31 04:43:59 debian is good Oct 31 04:44:21 4.4.2 is coming soon Oct 31 04:44:26 yeah Oct 31 04:44:28 doc|home: zhone is somewhat lacking in contacts, but works otherwise Oct 31 04:44:29 qtx* Oct 31 04:44:30 this weekend they hope Oct 31 04:44:47 gurugentoo: sound ok? sms messaging, resume? Oct 31 04:45:08 undrwater: gentoo is complicated...haven't gotten it going Oct 31 04:45:29 gurugentoo: haven't tried it yet...hoping to...if i can ignore my kids :P Oct 31 04:45:34 doc have u tried fdom? Oct 31 04:45:44 doc|home: actually hven't tried sms Oct 31 04:45:55 suspend resume works Oct 31 04:45:59 slaxxin: nope, have 4.4.1 on my machine right now Oct 31 04:47:11 has anyone heard the interference over FM radio while nand is running? Oct 31 04:47:42 slaxxin: should I? :) Oct 31 04:47:55 FDOM is nice Oct 31 04:48:05 you should TRY it Oct 31 04:48:40 hehe Oct 31 04:48:51 well if your waiting for 4.4.2 then buy a neopwn an share it with us Oct 31 04:48:57 I'm not dependent on my freerunner yet, still have my craporola so it's ok Oct 31 04:49:15 slaxxin: hah Oct 31 04:49:23 <--crapeo Oct 31 04:49:59 i've got 2 of them tho...going to try raster's image on the other Oct 31 04:50:11 is the neopwn distro available? Oct 31 04:52:30 its debian an it cost real money Oct 31 04:53:37 not the fake stuff we spent to get the neo Oct 31 04:53:54 nope Oct 31 05:03:51 hmmm, fdom's not in the comparison table Oct 31 05:05:12 fdom IS 2008.8 with many pre-installed apps and fixes Oct 31 05:05:31 ok, thanks Oct 31 05:07:40 * raster hugs his own images Oct 31 05:07:46 and lots of broken things too Oct 31 05:09:03 kd8ikt_: that's what makes it fun! Oct 31 05:09:15 * undrwater will install raster's treo image someday soon Oct 31 05:09:31 i need to do updated ones Oct 31 05:09:41 now with full intl lang support and wizardy goodness Oct 31 05:09:49 wooho Oct 31 05:09:53 *ooo Oct 31 05:10:46 kd8ikt_: like what? Oct 31 05:10:50 buys with some code atm tho Oct 31 05:11:12 need to fix slipwin window list Oct 31 05:12:13 what's that? Oct 31 05:12:52 the list of windows that slides up from the bottom Oct 31 05:29:42 exalt for moko? Oct 31 06:14:46 raster: have you given up on gsmd2? ;) Oct 31 06:18:32 spyre: i havent had time Oct 31 06:18:40 but it wants nothing to do with my treo Oct 31 06:18:52 probably because the serila port needsa a bizarre baudrate Oct 31 06:19:00 i havent tried on my fr lately Oct 31 06:19:11 i did get as far as having my treo modem work tho Oct 31 06:19:17 was missing kernel stuff Oct 31 06:20:38 yeah Oct 31 06:20:44 I started looking at it as well Oct 31 06:21:18 need to add a modem file for the bcm21xx with the 460800 baud and the weirdo wake signal Oct 31 06:21:40 anyway Oct 31 06:21:43 i learned my lesson Oct 31 06:21:51 don't upgrade from the angstrom repos Oct 31 06:22:10 raster: ok, keep me informed :) Oct 31 06:24:33 i am just busy fixing some illume stuff right now Oct 31 08:09:04 heh remoko is soo cool Oct 31 08:09:20 really freaked my friend out Oct 31 08:09:40 can you make phone calls with it? Oct 31 08:09:57 he's like lemmie see if i can hack into your phone through bluetooth i was like ok i'll turn it it on Oct 31 08:10:17 then he shit himself when i took over his mouse Oct 31 08:11:06 i neaed to make a fullscreen keyboard Oct 31 08:14:04 and yes i cans makes calls Oct 31 08:14:37 \o/ Oct 31 08:19:27 hi Oct 31 08:19:30 is the remoko dev in here? Oct 31 08:19:48 fish! :) Oct 31 08:19:51 yesterday I upgraded my FSO install and ended up with broken terminal Oct 31 08:19:52 hi Wonka Oct 31 08:20:00 is this a known issue/are there any workarounds? Oct 31 08:20:06 no but i''m playing with it Oct 31 08:20:09 dÃ¤remot sÃ¥ verkar det funka dÃ¥ligt, jag fÃ¥r bara ett resultat tillbaks :) Oct 31 08:20:17 sorry, wrong chat Oct 31 08:20:27 infact i'm typing on my moko now Oct 31 08:21:19 nice Oct 31 08:21:26 what client? kd8ikt Oct 31 08:21:53 remoko bluethooth Oct 31 08:22:39 ttake over mouse &keyboard [hid] Oct 31 08:23:02 human interface device Oct 31 08:23:23 same way reg cheap bluetooth mice work Oct 31 08:25:26 is there an alarm clock in debian that will wake the FR from suspend? Oct 31 08:26:24 the whole suspend proccess is a bit vague to me Oct 31 08:27:35 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td797028 this might work Oct 31 08:29:42 hi everyone, i'm running openmoko testing, and when I run an application like TangoGPS, the fonts and buttons are gigantic. I used to have 2008.9, and it was much smaller (like i could see all the butons on the screen) Oct 31 08:29:47 anyone know how to fix this? Oct 31 08:35:02 is it a gtk application font problem? Oct 31 08:35:24 i think it might be enlightenment related Oct 31 08:35:27 wm Oct 31 08:36:11 oh.. Oct 31 08:36:29 ok, let me set the default wm to illume (from asu) and see if that helps Oct 31 08:36:39 seeing from the screenshots, the buttons aren't dark grey anymore Oct 31 08:36:53 cdrum_: create a /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 with the following content: "gtk-font-name="Serif 5" Oct 31 08:36:59 cdrum_: that shoud fix it Oct 31 08:37:30 ok andred, I'll try that, thanks. will let you know if that fixes it Oct 31 08:39:26 Tha'ts it Oct 31 08:39:33 andred: thanks, that worked Oct 31 08:39:47 cdrum_: yw Oct 31 08:53:15 This weeks XKCD == EPIC Oct 31 08:59:02 Someone should update the frontpage.. QTExtend 4.4.2 was released Oct 31 09:08:50 weird, I cant get my OM into DFU mode.. Oct 31 09:22:00 Shlee: it was updatd yesterday, but someone took it off i guess Oct 31 09:39:49 anybodu running current fso-testing? Oct 31 09:40:16 openmoko-terminal2 and pidgin stopped working for me :-/ Oct 31 09:45:22 good morning Oct 31 09:49:41 hello, please what does this message mean? ERROR: grass-6.3.0: http://grass.itc.it/grass63/source/grass-6.3.0.tar.gz has no entry in conf/checksums.ini, not checking URI Oct 31 09:50:23 better say how do I add checksum Oct 31 10:19:11 morning Oct 31 10:39:37 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8-3mVf72zLE Oct 31 10:43:50 can i make a backup from freerunner with dfu-util ? can onyone give me a howto ? Oct 31 10:45:01 well, I don't have DFU util here, but it can both download and upload Oct 31 10:45:20 as a jffs2 ? Oct 31 10:45:21 I guess -U would be the switch, do a dfu-util -h to find out Oct 31 10:45:54 well depends of what is it you want to backup - if you mean the root partition, then yeah, it should be a JFFS2 image Oct 31 10:46:25 can you give me the commands ? Oct 31 10:46:30 i'm a user Oct 31 10:46:45 sorry, I'm at work on a windoze box... no dfu-util here :-/ Oct 31 10:46:56 ok Oct 31 10:47:09 anyway opening a terminal window and doing "dfu-util -h" is easy Oct 31 10:49:27 dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U output.jffs2 Oct 31 10:49:43 btw. I just found: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 Oct 31 10:49:48 so maybe upload is broken Oct 31 10:49:49 and note that you must have the FR connected directly to the usb controller (no hub) Oct 31 10:52:05 thanks Oct 31 10:52:46 ok, 4.4.2 doesn't read my contacts from the sim. Oct 31 10:52:57 show stopper.. :( Oct 31 10:53:12 and it's worth noting that some laptop (and even some desktop) usb ports may not be directly connected to a root usb controller Oct 31 10:55:06 hm, let me try again... anybody running recent fso-testing? Oct 31 11:01:20 more evidence the gta03 will use the samsung 6410 soc... "adds 6410 bitbang support ready for GTA03 pmu init later" on a patch just applied to the tree Oct 31 11:02:38 http://www.arm.com/community/display_product/rw/ProductId/2644/ for specs Oct 31 11:16:25 yeah Oct 31 11:17:14 ok, i'll take that as an "unofficial confirmation" then :) Oct 31 11:17:32 :-) Oct 31 11:17:41 and an excited outlook... indeed, as steve said, the issues with the gta02 will indeed "not be an issue" :) Oct 31 11:23:10 * twolife is away: Je suis occupé Oct 31 12:15:58 lint. Oct 31 12:23:51 Dave: ! Oct 31 12:30:42 Yes, it is I! Oct 31 12:41:14 account list Oct 31 12:41:19 ups, wrong window Oct 31 12:55:40 * twolife is back (gone 01:32:29) Oct 31 13:00:42 is there a way to hide the installer? Oct 31 13:05:55 hi all Oct 31 13:06:08 what is the exact license on the openmoko icons set? Oct 31 13:26:11 they can fall under the app or the lib part in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/License Oct 31 14:03:28 esc key in qwerty? Oct 31 14:03:42 gah, stuck in vi Oct 31 14:03:43 =/ Oct 31 14:03:59 oh there it is Oct 31 14:04:00 heheh Oct 31 14:30:57 anybody here using recent fso-testing? Oct 31 14:35:13 dent Oct 31 14:35:19 meta-question! Oct 31 14:36:07 ? Oct 31 14:36:26 I'm here whole day lurking and periodically asking... Oct 31 14:36:44 why? Oct 31 14:37:06 well, I upgraded FSO on my neo... and ended up with broken terminal Oct 31 14:37:18 dent, it's known Oct 31 14:37:25 aha, I thought so Oct 31 14:37:33 dent: instead of asking to ask, just ASK Oct 31 14:37:33 where can I find more info on that? Oct 31 14:37:48 I did, like twice... eventually almost gave up Oct 31 14:37:54 anyway thx for re now Oct 31 14:38:32 dent: no you didn't ask Oct 31 14:39:24 instead of asking "has anybody used foo?" ask "I tried foo and had this and this problem, whattodo?" or so Oct 31 14:39:55 09:19:50 < dent> yesterday I upgraded my FSO install and ended up with broken terminal Oct 31 14:39:58 09:20:00 < dent> is this a known issue/are there any workarounds? Oct 31 14:39:59 that's it... Oct 31 14:40:01 10:39:48 < dent> anybodu running current fso-testing? Oct 31 14:40:04 10:40:15 < dent> openmoko-terminal2 and pidgin stopped working for me :-/ Oct 31 14:40:08 not that it would be particularly important now Oct 31 14:40:22 so... where can I find more info on that issue pls? / are there any known workarounds/solutions? Oct 31 14:40:48 I tried to peek info FSO mailing lists, maybe I just missed it Oct 31 15:09:05 how do i get qt extended all i can get is a 54 meg php file? Oct 31 15:09:20 operator malfunction Oct 31 15:22:29 slaxxin: try the direct link: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=98 Oct 31 15:22:49 slaxxin: sorry this one: http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz Oct 31 15:23:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r542b0ca2c131 10framework/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Oct 31 15:23:26 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] add TI-Calypso specific modem option called 'ti_calypso_deep_sleep'. Oct 31 15:23:26 freesmartphone.org: Valid values are: 'never', 'adaptive' (default), and 'always'. See Om bug #1024. Oct 31 15:23:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf70161d1e34f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Oct 31 15:23:50 slaxxin: or rename your php file into qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz Oct 31 15:26:17 OK Oct 31 15:27:28 i thought it was a jffs2 file? Oct 31 15:46:45 ok Oct 31 15:48:49 54 megs is lightweight Oct 31 15:51:45 Hello, I managed to compile gdal but there is build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gdal-config file installed which gives (when used in other software building process) with --libs argument path to libgdal.la file. Shouldn't be that libgdal.so? How can I change gdal bb script to do proper "install" (There is only build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gdal-1.3.2-r0/gdal-1.3.2/.libs/libgdal.so file present Oct 31 16:12:55 hi everyone Oct 31 16:15:15 how many hours can the battery works with a moderate use? Oct 31 16:15:24 I mean always like a phone Oct 31 16:15:30 anda a little as GPS Oct 31 16:15:34 The software isn't there yet. Oct 31 16:15:43 It doesn't properly power save. Oct 31 16:15:45 What can I do about "ERROR: QA Issue: package gdal contains bad RPATH", please? Oct 31 16:16:13 yes, I've read about it, but I'm still interested ;) Oct 31 16:16:27 that's why I want to know how long can it work Oct 31 16:17:09 I used the phone with Qtopia 3.3.2 three days without charging Oct 31 16:17:14 depends on a lot of factors Oct 31 16:17:53 zuarko: a week standby, probably - with adequate software. Oct 31 16:17:57 zuarko: the software isn't there yet. Oct 31 16:18:47 kd8ikt, I suposse you mean about what things you do with it, how long you talk... Oct 31 16:18:53 A week standby. 24h mp3, 7 or so hours 'active' are probably sane numbers with optimal software. Oct 31 16:18:59 How are you gentlemen? Oct 31 16:18:59 exactly Oct 31 16:19:04 However, the powersaving software isn't there yet. Oct 31 16:19:07 Largely. Oct 31 16:19:14 Needs more op-amps Oct 31 16:19:16 with qtextended without suspend, my batt holds 4-5 hours.... Oct 31 16:19:19 trick or treat bitsches Oct 31 16:19:44 * SpeedEvil throws a LM324 at DaveLab. Oct 31 16:19:57 DaveLab: dev? Oct 31 16:20:15 Bob, I've been very impressed. My zire has been 2 weeks without AC power and when brought out of resume it says it still has roughly 38min of battery left. Oct 31 16:20:22 * kd8ikt puts on a scary mask (speedevils's face) Oct 31 16:20:25 Blackhex, how are you? Oct 31 16:20:33 Kd8ikt, trick-or-treat? Oct 31 16:20:46 DaveLab: fine, just fithing with gdal + grass, err :-( Oct 31 16:21:30 Uhh, may I ask, how it's going? Oct 31 16:21:45 Since you seem a bit... disappointed. Oct 31 16:22:21 I just stopped at lot of "ERROR: QA Issue: package gdal contains bad RPATH" messages after whole day of constant compilation error fixing Oct 31 16:23:22 there's a lot of info and I'm half way reading it Oct 31 16:23:26 At least you're not one of the many people bitching at me about Bad magic number on the latest uBoot :p Oct 31 16:23:41 So, hey, at least it's something different for me :D Oct 31 16:24:00 the Standby mode is an "active" mode? Oct 31 16:24:09 I mean, you can receive calls? Oct 31 16:24:19 Yeah, well, the power saving scheme names are misnomers. Oct 31 16:24:23 or is a half-shutted down mode? Oct 31 16:24:26 It never really shuts down. Oct 31 16:24:40 It's still on (stays hot), unfortunately. Oct 31 16:27:20 I haven't downloaded it yet, but I suposse openmoko it's written in C++, isn't it? Oct 31 16:28:26 not really, no Oct 31 16:28:36 it contains thousands of components Oct 31 16:28:41 all written in different languages Oct 31 16:28:43 kernel is C Oct 31 16:28:48 current userland mostly C Oct 31 16:28:54 current UI mostly C++ Oct 31 16:29:00 next-gen middleware mostly Python Oct 31 16:29:06 next-gen UI mostly Python as well Oct 31 16:29:13 some Java components Oct 31 16:29:15 etc. Oct 31 16:29:20 oh, ok Oct 31 16:29:44 next-gen middleware is dbus-based, so you can have fun with everything that talks dbus Oct 31 16:30:08 hehe Oct 31 16:30:13 this really looks great Oct 31 16:30:20 I've discovered it yesterday Oct 31 16:31:53 How do you upgrade Qt extended> Oct 31 16:32:18 Torikun: you can use update package Oct 31 16:33:08 Where is that? Oct 31 16:33:18 I jnow that opkg does not work with qt well =) Oct 31 16:33:44 opkg update your kernel and base utils Oct 31 16:33:58 that always crashed my phone in the past Oct 31 16:34:00 qtopia is everything in /opt/Qtopia Oct 31 16:34:13 I udpated sucessfully sometimes .-) Oct 31 16:34:23 I seen package manager Oct 31 16:34:26 but nothing there Oct 31 16:35:04 update for qt extended is here http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=88 Oct 31 16:35:07 ah i am fining Oct 31 16:35:23 that's only for third party applications which is currently not much used Oct 31 16:35:25 can not connect to server Oct 31 16:35:26 dam Oct 31 16:36:28 I wish wireles worked Oct 31 16:36:31 the browser looks cool Oct 31 16:36:45 and where can i download the source files? It seems it's in openmoko.com but I don't find the link Oct 31 16:37:16 zuarko: of what? Oct 31 16:37:29 When will wifi work on qt? Oct 31 16:37:42 the core Oct 31 16:38:01 zuarko: of what? :-) Oct 31 16:39:15 you can use MokoMakefile to build ASU stable or testing from sources Oct 31 16:39:17 Blackhex: Update was not working because there is not feed for 4.4 yet =( Oct 31 16:39:56 one moment blackhex, I've founded the framework model, I'll tell you in a moment ;) Oct 31 16:40:00 Torikun: http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-flash.tgz Oct 31 16:40:21 Torikun: as far as I know there are no updates in feed for 4.3 too. There are only few additional packages Oct 31 16:40:37 Do you know when wifi will work? Oct 31 16:40:51 Batter life on qt is amazing Oct 31 16:41:16 no, but someone told me that on 4.3 wifi worked Oct 31 16:41:32 Mine never detects anything Oct 31 16:41:56 in console it does Oct 31 16:41:58 so mine detects even on 4.4.1 but I can't connect Oct 31 16:42:34 iwlist eth0 scan detects Oct 31 16:42:38 but gui does not Oct 31 16:43:08 and what qt extended you have? Oct 31 16:43:46 4.4.2 Oct 31 16:44:09 so I can't tell you I didn't manage to try 4.4.2 yet Oct 31 16:44:29 Ah Oct 31 16:45:33 Blackhex: What keyboard do you use Oct 31 16:46:08 on qt? that white full keyboard Oct 31 16:46:35 hard to type Oct 31 16:46:42 w/o pen Oct 31 16:46:58 sometimes even with :-) Oct 31 16:47:20 I have to relocate now, I may be back soon... Oct 31 16:48:10 take care Oct 31 16:49:36 I see the architecture includes frameworks as gsreamer and odeviced, but I supossed modified versions are used Oct 31 16:50:37 does anyone know how to use the "Qt Extended update for Neo" to upgrade a qtextended image? Oct 31 16:52:02 dario__: The 4.4.2 does not have the update repo yet Oct 31 16:52:14 Dunno about image Oct 31 16:53:17 Torikun: what? I'm talking about the package that can be found @ qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads Oct 31 16:56:45 ah Oct 31 17:03:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r8221db85397b 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Oct 31 17:03:24 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetStatus(): make sure network provider is always shown in Oct 31 17:03:24 freesmartphone.org: alphanumerical format. Thanks Alastair Johnson for spotting. Oct 31 17:03:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5202e7d02890 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Oct 31 17:06:44 wassa Oct 31 17:08:13 Hi. I was just wondering. Anyone have experiences with hardware usb keyboard? Oct 31 17:24:11 android on a moko ,, haha that will MAKE u guys step up to the plate lololloll Oct 31 17:24:20 I am waiting slaxxin Oct 31 17:24:58 almost embarassing Oct 31 17:24:59 Openmoko is a fail Oct 31 17:25:12 they are going to release a new phone in 6 months when they can not even product a functional OS Oct 31 17:25:14 for now it is Oct 31 17:25:28 Pretty soon, there will be 3 phones that do not function Oct 31 17:25:42 6 month, yeah right. It will be a year before the phone hit the market Oct 31 17:25:48 Trust me Oct 31 17:25:49 soon Oct 31 17:25:52 these are developmental phones Oct 31 17:25:55 they will be releasing a new one Oct 31 17:25:56 lol Oct 31 17:26:04 We , the customer are getting screwed Oct 31 17:26:09 they should use 1 phoen and make it work Oct 31 17:26:23 hardware hardware Oct 31 17:26:31 no os no os Oct 31 17:27:18 well its looking better Oct 31 17:27:40 Not really Oct 31 17:28:01 Torikun: i love my debian phone. Oct 31 17:28:08 Torikun noobs :o Oct 31 17:28:21 freerunner is a devel phone Oct 31 17:28:39 if you want a end-noobs-user you need to wait the om2009 Oct 31 17:28:43 Hiretto: mmm om2008.... is very usable Oct 31 17:28:44 that is not getting much development when a newer phone will be relesed soon Oct 31 17:28:59 i don't know, i dont use it Oct 31 17:29:01 Torikun: yeah it will Oct 31 17:29:10 and, so what? Oct 31 17:29:22 the new phone, gta03, will be released with om2008 Oct 31 17:29:24 Qtopia works very will except for wireless Oct 31 17:29:25 d-b: no, it isn't Oct 31 17:29:26 om2009 Oct 31 17:29:45 um..... why not rofl Oct 31 17:29:46 The os is not very good, I think they should slow down and focus on that Oct 31 17:30:19 Torikun: i think the om2008 needs a fix. debian boots faster rofl. Oct 31 17:30:49 Torikun, the new phone will not be released 'soon'. Where do you get that from? Oct 31 17:31:16 you don't know how is the om2009 Oct 31 17:31:45 Btw, Om is at the moment focusing on the basics part. So actually make the device work. Oct 31 17:31:45 My sources Oct 31 17:31:49 they are saying about 6 months Oct 31 17:32:10 Torikun: probably more when released Oct 31 17:32:25 And for gta02, they also said 6 months and 1,5 year later it still wasn't there Oct 31 17:32:42 this is coming from a important person in the company Oct 31 17:32:59 torpor: when? Oct 31 17:33:01 Torikun: so was the info re the gta02 Oct 31 17:33:03 Torikun: when Oct 31 17:33:07 I dunno Oct 31 17:33:09 he would not say Oct 31 17:33:13 soon was all I heard Oct 31 17:33:18 they wanted to keep people interested Oct 31 17:33:27 Torikun: Openmoko does not use conventional date operators. Oct 31 17:33:28 hopefully they will keep the freerunner going Oct 31 17:33:37 for a long time Oct 31 17:33:55 This phone has potential with Android Oct 31 17:34:00 Torikun: 6 months after January 2008 isn't June 2008. Oct 31 17:34:03 Torikun: community projects are also here now. Oct 31 17:34:24 I want to port my backup program to the free runner =) Oct 31 17:34:24 Torikun, openmoko doesn't tell anybody a time for when something has to be ready. It was so for gta02, it was so for om2008.8. So now they would told it to someone in Germany and you know that? Oct 31 17:34:39 + i want geode + firefox Oct 31 17:35:02 http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/10/introducing-geode/ Oct 31 17:36:31 Torikun: my backup program is a shell script Oct 31 17:36:56 Mine is kinda like that but in java with more functianlity, uses tar in the bg Oct 31 17:37:17 http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=210 Oct 31 17:37:25 I want to port it to the openmok Oct 31 17:40:14 eeeeep java my ram Oct 31 17:42:13 port man port Oct 31 17:42:41 i have patience Oct 31 17:43:11 i thinkdebian may win the race Oct 31 17:43:38 slaxxin: ....only when fso is ready. Oct 31 17:49:23 showers. Oct 31 18:01:18 Torikuns Oct 31 18:01:23 Dave: ! Oct 31 18:01:36 sup Oct 31 18:01:48 Hello! Oct 31 18:01:55 Just breaking stuff, you know Oct 31 18:01:58 Same old, same old :p Oct 31 18:01:58 up in the hood my bruddah Oct 31 18:02:01 ah Oct 31 18:03:45 :p Oct 31 18:06:31 does anyone now where the 'splash-write applet not found' originates? Oct 31 18:07:20 exquisite Oct 31 18:07:22 or the lack thereof Oct 31 18:07:45 I wish it did find it Oct 31 18:07:47 I believe it originally was the case due to the lack of an appropriate symlink Oct 31 18:07:53 I believe exquisite now fixes this (??) Oct 31 18:09:41 Pander: "applet not found" is a message of busybox Oct 31 18:10:33 Pander: that one comes from "splash-write" being symlinked to "echo" when exquisite is removed, which itself is a symlink to busybox, which does not know what to do when called as "splash-write". Oct 31 18:10:34