**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 03 02:59:56 2008 Nov 03 03:05:34 mmh i got a little question: assuming i write an Application for QT Extended - could it be possible to run it under Openmoko Linux - like i.e. KDE running under GTK and vice versa? Nov 03 03:06:00 *KDE application running under GTK and vice versa Nov 03 03:40:09 welp on the fast boot image the green polishing rag made it 4 swipes an the desktop was up----wow Nov 03 04:00:01 openmoko: 03tick * r4747 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/Makefile: Nov 03 04:00:01 openmoko: [opkg-utils] fix install fail problem Nov 03 04:00:01 openmoko: Thanks for khorben's patch :-) Nov 03 04:00:01 openmoko: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2072/patch-opkg-utils_Makefile_install_path.diff Nov 03 04:50:08 did the SHR build get updated for the changes in e by chance? Nov 03 05:24:54 guru! Nov 03 05:29:32 Dave? Nov 03 05:29:32 hehe Nov 03 05:29:38 YES Nov 03 05:29:39 SHR! Nov 03 05:30:25 is that an approval or a confirmation of my question? Nov 03 05:30:39 Sorry, I am unaware. Nov 03 05:30:44 ah k Nov 03 05:35:06 Zzz Nov 03 05:42:47 Ken! Nov 03 05:43:18 Hi Dave, I just uploaded a new orrery version, with a spiffy Moon Calendar page. Nov 03 06:08:26 Cool! Nov 03 06:08:27 :D Nov 03 06:13:38 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r467ed33e613c 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oevents: Added doc for AddRule, RemoveRule and TriggerTest Nov 03 06:16:11 openmoko: 03werner * r4748 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/report: Nov 03 06:16:11 openmoko: Make the reports more useful. Nov 03 06:16:11 openmoko: - report: show also the CPU load of ttcp runs Nov 03 06:16:11 openmoko: - report: print the standard deviation of all measurements Nov 03 06:16:11 openmoko: - report: if given an argument, chdir to it before looking for files Nov 03 06:58:59 I forsee more freerunner sales: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=183 Nov 03 06:59:06 God, you guys are pretty fucking awesome Nov 03 06:59:40 * SpeedEvil sighs. Nov 03 07:00:19 Me too, I just don't think that's what the community should be spending its time on. Nov 03 07:01:12 SpeedEvil, why the sigh? Nov 03 07:01:49 KenYoung, Does it really matter? More money for OpenMoko = working capital (sp). Nov 03 07:02:52 Sargun: because at one point it seemed like we might actually have a working phone platform before android came out. Nov 03 07:03:00 We don't? Nov 03 07:03:12 Not especially. Nov 03 07:03:27 only if you consider making phone calls on a mobile phone optional Nov 03 07:03:28 Sargun, Well, I'm wrong a lot, and people can obviously spend their free time doing whatever they want, but I can't help but think about how much the effort involved in porting ANdroid might have helped the OM distributions had those people put the effort there. Nov 03 07:03:39 Point me at a distro that's got reliable calls, suspend, sms, phone, ... Nov 03 07:03:52 I care more about FR as a hardware platform Nov 03 07:04:17 'as a hardware platform' - most of those are kernel level problems. Nov 03 07:04:31 Or at least some of the issues are. Nov 03 07:04:32 i would want openmoko to allow me to use its hardware. my application that is. Nov 03 07:04:34 :) Nov 03 07:04:37 open source is full of pointless duplications of functions ... its almost the nature of the beast Nov 03 07:04:40 I suspect that they will come up with a buggy version of ANdroid which does not in the end produce a phone which is any more reliable than 2007.2 or 2008.8 or qtopia or any of the other not quite good enough stacks. Nov 03 07:05:45 Well, I look at it this way: by producing a kickass hardware platform we've attracted the most attention in the industry Nov 03 07:06:04 I mean, if you look at the number of slashdot postings about OM vs. XYZ phone maker Nov 03 07:06:07 If there is not a stack for OM phones soon which is rock-solid for basic phone functions, and has decent batery life, it is had to see how the company can survive. Nov 03 07:06:09 for our size, we've got a lot more. Nov 03 07:06:11 GTA02 can't actually make calls for many people due to the buzz. Nov 03 07:06:23 Even if the software side is fixed. Nov 03 07:06:27 Yeah, I'll admit the hardware is pretty annoying. Nov 03 07:06:29 As we've seen with Qt Extended and Qtopia, existing stacks that expect a sane GSM have a difficult time (i.e. end up hacked up horribly) in order to deal with the Calypso. FSO is more flexible because it must accomodate that horror. I am interested to see how Android deals with the eccentricities of the Calypso. Nov 03 07:07:04 openmoko: 03john_lee * r4749 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Update URLs. buildhost is not available anymore. Nov 03 07:07:08 but the fact I can take Debian + FSO and turn it into exactly what I want, using what APIs I want (C, C++, Python, Java) Nov 03 07:07:11 qtextended accomodates buggy modems just fine Nov 03 07:07:26 thats what vendor plugins are for :) Nov 03 07:07:40 Sargun: device that suspends and powersaves properly notwithstanding Nov 03 07:07:56 SpeedEvil, yeah, we need major work, but for a 1st gen device, we're pretty fucking decent. Nov 03 07:07:58 I'm tired, and it's late -- let's discuss what the calypso and the horrible AT%SLEEP workaround needs beyond the existing plugin sometime tomorrow or so. :) Nov 03 07:08:33 that's why I've I put my job on the OM. I mean, getting the boss to buy 3 of these isn't easy Nov 03 07:09:20 SpeedEvil, Also, android is a brand, Google is a brand Nov 03 07:11:24 tag: measure a 9V battery on AC. Nov 03 07:11:26 oops Nov 03 07:12:12 * mwester notes SpeedEvil is giving someone bad advice ;) Nov 03 07:12:21 Actually not. Nov 03 07:12:35 He's trying to work out if his meter will measure AC with DC offset Nov 03 07:12:52 Hmmm... that would be a rather broken meter, IMO. Nov 03 07:13:08 mwester-trip: >50% of the cheapest meters do. Nov 03 07:13:43 Gack. I've never encountered such a thing, but perhaps standards have changed over the years I've been away from hardware. Nov 03 07:14:29 How can one measure something as simple as audio signal levels on anything other than transformer-isolated lines? Nov 03 07:14:33 Anyway... Nov 03 07:17:07 A) It's a meter, and it was $10, and it reads mains frequency sine waves and DC accurately. Nov 03 07:17:12 so, the hardware buzz isn't fixable in hardware? my OM is effected. Nov 03 07:17:14 B) anything else is a crapshoot Nov 03 07:17:41 second hardware=software Nov 03 07:18:33 As far as I know no. But I haven't really been keeping up. There is also no easy hardware mod. Nov 03 07:18:57 GSM noise in the audio? Nov 03 07:31:55 Hi all :) Nov 03 07:34:32 Is there an "easy" way to install terminal app to qtopia 4.4.2 or @ least an icon if it's there ? Nov 03 07:34:46 soz QTextended 4.4.2 Nov 03 07:34:47 ? Nov 03 07:36:02 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r5dcfeff8b408 10/illume/illume-config/ (e.src module.battery.src module.illume.src): illume-config: Sync with upstream brings in fixes for topshelf size Nov 03 07:41:50 *cough* ? Anyone awake ? ;) Nov 03 07:49:53 Maybe not ? Nov 03 07:49:55 :P Nov 03 08:27:31 openmoko: 03john_lee * r4750 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/playback.c: Nov 03 08:27:31 openmoko: Use alsasink instead of pulseaudio, for #1614, #1831. Patch written Nov 03 08:27:31 openmoko: by hedora. Nov 03 08:35:48 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb25c3e296726 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-mediaplayer2: remove pulseaudio, use alsa instead. Nov 03 08:37:48 morning Nov 03 08:40:26 mornin Nov 03 08:42:44 good morning Nov 03 08:47:06 when i plug in my openmoko, ubuntu tries to use it as a net connection. how do i stop this? Nov 03 08:56:53 ozzloy: but it does appear as usb net device Nov 03 08:57:40 lindi-: i don't want my computer to try to use it as one automatically though Nov 03 08:58:04 ozzloy: why not? Nov 03 08:58:34 because i just want to charge the phone. also the phone doesn't have a net connection Nov 03 08:58:45 and the laptop is within range of wireless anyways Nov 03 08:59:14 i tried #ubuntu, but i'm not getting much help Nov 03 08:59:28 ozzloy: ah so you are talking about changing default route Nov 03 08:59:42 ozzloy: of course you want to route packets to wlan and not to usb0 Nov 03 09:00:18 sure Nov 03 09:00:26 * cjb_ie wonders if wlan is using a similar 192.168.x.x and that's what's upsetting things Nov 03 09:00:48 can you help me do that? Nov 03 09:01:11 i have no experience in networkmanager Nov 03 09:01:45 k Nov 03 09:02:00 well i'm off to bed, will try to deal with this tomorrow Nov 03 09:02:36 thanks anyways lindi- Nov 03 10:06:45 Does someone happen to know why with 2008.9 usb networking with Linux doesn't work anymore for me? Should I go back to .8 or something? Nov 03 10:09:59 Yay, qtextended with mwester_ his kernel, does not boot anymore >_< Nov 03 10:11:36 anyone here from the land of australia..? Nov 03 10:14:05 ach, fixed the network problem with kernel update Nov 03 10:14:52 microtechno_: Yes. why? Nov 03 10:15:21 wondering if anyone knows anything more about the isp firewall that the gov wants to introduce Nov 03 10:15:27 laen: The QT 4.4.2 release comes with a recent testing release Nov 03 10:15:33 not the place i suppose to talk about it but just wondering Nov 03 10:18:37 microtechno_: no more unlicensed pr0n I'm affraid :( Nov 03 10:19:05 Hi I am using putty from my win machine at work, but when I log into the FR i can only ping 192.168.0.202 anyone who can offer any suggestions? Nov 03 10:19:07 dont have any of that... Nov 03 10:19:40 Shlee: what does that mean? Nov 03 10:19:51 Daramarak: route -n? Nov 03 10:19:53 microtechno_: well then you have nothing to worry about. All is good >:) Nov 03 10:21:09 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Nov 03 10:21:09 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Nov 03 10:21:09 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 Nov 03 10:21:12 Nov 03 10:21:49 just wondering because i hear that it is going to make our internet(s) even slower.. than they are... and aust isnt that fast in comparison to the rest of the world.. Nov 03 10:22:10 Daramarak: then ping 192.168.0.200 should work? Nov 03 10:24:09 lindi-: yes it should, but it does not. Nov 03 10:24:29 Daramarak: tcpdump on both sides please Nov 03 10:25:11 microtechno_: I've got an answer for you.. TOR Nov 03 10:25:19 or a VPN.. or a proxy... Nov 03 10:25:32 lindi-:tcpdump from a windows box? Nov 03 10:25:39 Daramarak: you have windows on your desktop too? Nov 03 10:25:41 mm.. that will be something that i am going to have to do Nov 03 10:25:56 This great firewall of Australia.. I'm fairly sure it is going to pass.. but it won't work, so they will remove it soon enough Nov 03 10:26:00 anyone know when there is another order of the FR coming into aust Nov 03 10:26:05 Daramarak: "only" as in the rest of your networking is broken from your windows machine? Nov 03 10:26:11 microtechno_: I have no details of the project you are talking about, but I would imagine one reason for slow connection is the amount of data going through the cables you have there. To make things faster I suppose there should be a new cable installed to the mainland Nov 03 10:26:32 microtechno_: The internet is like a series of tubes Nov 03 10:26:43 It's not a dump truck Nov 03 10:26:46 i know how it works.. done cnna Nov 03 10:27:20 the filter will slow the traffic though.. thats what the gov relese said that i read.. just wondering what others had heard Nov 03 10:27:22 I have full access to everything from my win machine, but the FR do not seem to see anything outside itself. (Although it is communicating with the win matchine through ssh) Nov 03 10:27:31 well.. the proxy is a whitelist/blacklist and they are going to filter ip addresses only with no deep packet inspection Nov 03 10:27:53 Daramarak: sounds like your windows machine hasn't been set up to forward packets to the internet from your FR.. (?) Nov 03 10:28:45 microtechno_: please visit Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) for more information http://www.efa.org.au/ Nov 03 10:28:46 Weiss: does that explain why it cannot ping the gateway? Nov 03 10:29:00 thats faster that what i thought they where doing.. thought that it was going to be packet based filtering.. also heard a rumor that some ssl traffic would be blocked to stop vpn passthrough Nov 03 10:29:09 thanks i shall have a look Nov 03 10:29:23 sorry to change the topic :) Nov 03 10:30:00 About Australian Internet filter http://nocleanfeed.com/ (made by EFA) Nov 03 10:30:34 thats what i have been reading.. thanks Nov 03 10:30:44 Daramarak: muppet check: 200 is the windows end, 202 is the FR end? perhaps you told Windows to do some firewalling or otherwise not to respond to pings? Nov 03 10:32:53 microtechno_: I doubt you'll (as a nation) will be able to block the sensorship. They'll ram it through and then people forget it. The best thing IMHO is, that you start to run TOR node and support EFA and remind others about it. Nov 03 10:33:23 whats TOR..? Nov 03 10:35:08 ahh onion.. routing.. nice Nov 03 10:35:21 microtechno_: http://www.torproject.org/ right you found it :) Nov 03 10:35:35 thanks Nov 03 10:35:36 Shlee: i guess you were saying, that the testing release doesn't mean it stable, right? Nov 03 10:36:00 It's definetly not an answer, but it will defeat the prupose of sensorhip and tracking, to some extent atleast Nov 03 10:36:23 Kred_: obfuscated tcp sounds bit better Nov 03 10:36:48 Kred_: since tor won't help you with sites where you have to authenticate yourself Nov 03 10:37:26 obtcp is great... once they get the patches included in apache/firefox by default ;) Nov 03 10:37:53 Shlee: it's an apache modules so it does not need to be in official apache Nov 03 10:38:03 Weiss: 202 is the FR end, and 200 is the win end, and I turned off the firewall to test the connection. No luck. Nov 03 10:38:04 s/modules/module/ Nov 03 10:38:04 lindi- meant: Shlee: it's an apache module so it does not need to be in official apache Nov 03 10:38:10 nods Nov 03 10:38:43 lindi-: sure. By tracking I meant government tracking with systems such as recording visited urls. It's by no means a tool to protect from Google for example Nov 03 10:39:11 Kred_: but government surely can cooperate with google Nov 03 10:40:28 2009 is the year of encyption ;) Nov 03 10:40:38 lindi-: for sure Nov 03 10:40:41 Weiss: Thanks, after re checking I found that my corporations virusprotection also has some sort of firewall, now it works. Nov 03 10:45:03 I guess Shlee has me on ignore. Nov 03 10:50:36 What should I do, when opkg install dies to error 4? Nov 03 10:50:50 I tried killall packagekitd Nov 03 10:53:30 Kred_: tried doing it via ssh? Nov 03 10:53:48 Ah, guess that was through ssh. Nov 03 10:55:07 laen: I didn't think they had a working module.. that's good news for me Nov 03 10:55:46 I'll test it out later, sucks the Firefox code changes are too low level to a mod Nov 03 10:55:46 Oo. Nov 03 10:56:49 Daramarak: great Nov 03 10:58:27 laen: yes :) Nov 03 10:58:59 Also, is it normal that opkg update gives bunch of failed to download errors? Nov 03 10:59:14 The files that it claims to have trouble with are available Nov 03 11:01:07 Kred_: Yes, those are.. if i remember correctly, the checksums.. and the openmoko servers don't have those. Nov 03 11:01:25 So, it doesn't really matter too much, it still updates, just doesn't verify. Nov 03 11:02:40 It does say failed to download for file Packages.gz.. aah crap Nov 03 11:02:51 Of course routing isn't working :I Nov 03 11:02:55 Does anyone knows how to set micro and speaker volume with qtextended 4.4.2 ? the call options seems to have no effects Nov 03 11:03:17 (sound too loud during a call with a huge echo) Nov 03 11:06:13 laen: now it works. I forgot to set resolv.conf Nov 03 11:13:00 Kred_: ah yes, happens to me a lot too :) Nov 03 11:16:26 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r317 10/trunk/python-elementary/Makefile: Fix Makefile Nov 03 11:24:40 Since openmoko puts a daily kernel and rootfs in the dailly/ dir nowadays, isn't there a changelog on what changed from version to version? Nov 03 11:25:01 Check the git for stable-moko Nov 03 11:38:12 hi, i want to run om in emulation mode Nov 03 11:38:19 trying to run qemu on ubuntu Nov 03 11:38:29 following instructions from the developer's quide Nov 03 11:38:34 i downloaded moko make file Nov 03 11:38:36 make qemu Nov 03 11:38:40 make qemu-run Nov 03 11:38:44 i get the u-boot menu Nov 03 11:39:36 press space bar or enter Nov 03 11:39:54 but when i enter the option "Boot" Nov 03 11:39:56 nothing happens Nov 03 11:39:59 it does not boot Nov 03 11:40:08 and comes back to the boot menu (showing four options) Nov 03 11:40:42 E: Internal error: install .. during debian install approx 10mins into the install .. is this a problem with the card (4gb SDHC) Nov 03 11:40:54 you need to press the space bar Nov 03 11:40:54 Does someone happen to know how to open doors in doom Nov 03 11:40:57 yes Nov 03 11:41:00 when i press space bar Nov 03 11:41:03 booting starts Nov 03 11:41:18 i see a few message on the shell (where i run make run-qemu) Nov 03 11:41:22 lloyd_fedora: i can only ask you to google for "E: Internal error: install" Nov 03 11:41:23 but then it stops Nov 03 11:41:31 and the gui comes back to the old boot menu Nov 03 11:41:44 _HIRETTO- Nov 03 11:41:47 when i press space bar Nov 03 11:41:50 boot starts Nov 03 11:41:58 but soon comes back to the boot menu again Nov 03 11:42:05 strange Nov 03 11:42:21 after i see "neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on" on the shell Nov 03 11:42:31 may be i am missing some thing Nov 03 11:43:08 i think it too Nov 03 11:43:20 but i do't know sorry :( Nov 03 11:43:56 ok Nov 03 11:45:35 hmm.. annoying. I can't open doors in doom with FR! >:( Nov 03 11:45:55 :( Nov 03 11:48:25 grr Nov 03 11:50:40 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r4a472085b8fc 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): opimd: initial import Nov 03 11:55:58 Kred_: wonder how you do it. I installed Duke3d and at third try it didn't crash at start, but crashed after 20 seconds. Nov 03 11:57:04 Kred_: what distro are you running? Nov 03 11:57:16 laen: 2008.9 fresh install Nov 03 11:57:21 With updates Nov 03 11:57:34 Mmm. Nov 03 11:57:41 I don't know Duke works any better. In my previous tests the sound was awful Nov 03 11:57:45 In duke, that is Nov 03 11:57:59 Yeah, thats scary indeed. Nov 03 11:58:19 But its menus were usable. However later on, after updates something broke and duke froze on start Nov 03 11:58:46 Whole freerunner froze right? Nov 03 11:59:25 No just duke. However Xglamo didn't resize back to original size Nov 03 11:59:31 I had to reboot the whole system Nov 03 11:59:56 Mmm. Ik heep having the freerunner Freeze up. You got OM 2008.9 installed on the MicroSD? Nov 03 12:00:52 And Kred_ running the 2008.9 kernel too? Nov 03 12:01:46 laen: both 2008.9 are in use and in main memory or whatever it's called Nov 03 12:02:06 There's two versions of duke I see Nov 03 12:02:16 Weird. Then why do i seem to be the only one getting complete freezes. Nov 03 12:02:18 Rafa's and Charles-Henri's.. Nov 03 12:02:42 I'm started to get the feeling i spend 300 euro on a hardware faulty device. Nov 03 12:03:32 laen: I'm now in the process of installing Rafa's duke. I'll tell you what happens with it Nov 03 12:04:15 laen: have you tried Doom yet? Nov 03 12:17:41 laen: well it does start, but the sounds are just horrible Nov 03 12:29:08 laen: the another version by Charles-Henri is a bit better, but has no sound enabled and crashes Nov 03 12:47:49 Kred_: Since i have a feeling that i'm really having hardware problems on the freerunner, i guess i'm just gonna film everything i do with a webcam, in a quality where you can see stuff quite good, and put em online.. see if others get the same. Nov 03 12:50:05 :) Nov 03 12:50:54 I just hope it isn't so. I mean, damn, you can't even return those things :P Nov 03 12:52:37 Anyway, gotta wait till tonight, stuck with a qtextended rootfs which seems borked :) Nov 03 12:54:23 :I Nov 03 13:16:42 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r318 10/trunk/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.pyx: switch to evas.c_evas.SmartObject as base class Nov 03 13:31:08 Damn it, i can't turn on my fr Nov 03 13:31:29 Just shut it down, so it shouldn't be related to battery Nov 03 13:31:53 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rad3e959215e2 10/illume/illume-config/e.src: Nov 03 13:31:53 freesmartphone.org: illume-config: Bump config version. Nov 03 13:31:53 freesmartphone.org: One version behind upstream. The newest version requires a newer code base. Nov 03 13:31:53 freesmartphone.org: With this version we can go back to the real values for gadget size. Nov 03 13:31:53 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rdbd25062240e 10/illume/illume-config/module.illume.src: illume-config: Change gadget size back after version bump Nov 03 13:31:56 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rcb7aa9779f1d 10/illume/illume/freerunner.edc: illume-theme: correct key for filemanager Nov 03 13:34:12 jonkristian: take out the battery a few seconds and then try again Nov 03 13:34:34 i did it the second time, and it worked Nov 03 13:37:33 freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r7b23cbd2e94c 10/illume/illume-config/module.illume.src: illume-config: Back to 42 as gadget size, as we had before Nov 03 13:38:49 jonkristian: must have been a great relief when it worked Nov 03 13:39:54 Yeah, i panic'ed there for a second Nov 03 13:40:30 jonkristian: don't worry about it, everybody has had that at least once :) Nov 03 13:40:45 you're really gonna freak out when it doesn't work when you have removed the battery :) Nov 03 13:40:56 but you probably have an A6 so it won't be a problem Nov 03 13:40:59 That's what happened Nov 03 13:50:46 Finally something to read Nov 03 14:12:23 oh great the debian installer nuked my moko Nov 03 14:17:46 hey guys, seems we just killed #666 :-) Nov 03 14:18:59 ??? Nov 03 14:19:03 you killed the devil? Nov 03 14:19:08 wiwn great work jOERG_zzZZzz! Nov 03 14:20:29 well, moko10-beta2 seems to read all SIMs whereas MOKO8 isn't Nov 03 14:21:14 very nicely done Nov 03 14:21:49 hello =) Nov 03 14:21:50 this seems to me as very big news Nov 03 14:22:05 gonna notify my friend right away (he was a victin om the devil :)) Nov 03 14:22:09 llo fougner Nov 03 14:22:19 well I told you for days we're working on FW right now ;-) Nov 03 14:22:56 I Just received my Neo Freerunner today, and I think I want the 2008.8 build.. Nov 03 14:22:56 moko10 beta2 is the name of the firmware? Nov 03 14:23:28 Zorkman: yup, will publish in a few days I'd say Nov 03 14:23:46 thanks jOERG_zzZZzz!! Nov 03 14:23:47 I'd be happy if someone could explain upon request, so I don't fail :) Nov 03 14:24:01 Fougner: explain what? Nov 03 14:24:24 jOERG_zzZZzz: good job mate! Nov 03 14:25:34 crap how am i going to fix my uboot env Nov 03 14:25:53 kd8ikt: by reflashing it :) Nov 03 14:26:06 that wont fix the uboot env last i checked Nov 03 14:26:19 uboot variables like bootargs Nov 03 14:27:57 Zorkman, for example, Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2, is that rootfs and kernel? Nov 03 14:28:08 Fougner: that is rootfs Nov 03 14:28:14 hehe, logical Nov 03 14:28:19 jffs2 format can be flashed with dfu-util Nov 03 14:28:30 I'm using NeoTool Nov 03 14:28:33 GUI Nov 03 14:29:06 so that should work, when I choose "Flash rootfs" ? Nov 03 14:29:10 jup Nov 03 14:29:18 after you flashed rootfs, best to also flash to a new kernel, Nov 03 14:29:30 and while you're at it, flash your u-boot also Nov 03 14:29:33 where do I find one? :) Nov 03 14:29:59 Zorkman, where do I find one? Nov 03 14:30:06 Fougner: downloads.openmoko.org Nov 03 14:30:36 everything that looks like *****uImage.bin is a kernel Nov 03 14:30:45 like for example http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing-om-gta02-20081103.uImage.bin Nov 03 14:30:58 whereas http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin is a u-boot Nov 03 14:32:14 thanks for sorting things out! Nov 03 14:34:39 np Fougner, everybody has to start somewhere Nov 03 14:35:43 Zorkman, true, I'm in the bootmenu now, and started flashing.. the Neo display : "Starting DFU DOWNLOAD to partition 'rootfs' Nov 03 14:36:02 DocScrutinizer: when could we expect a new stable gsm firmware? - I'm looking forward to qi too Nov 03 14:38:15 we just found we *maybe* fixed a bug in GSM-FW just 1h ago. We will do decent internal tests to verify the FW isn't bricking your device, and actually does some improvements Nov 03 14:38:47 Joerg! Nov 03 14:38:50 then we'll publish to customers Nov 03 14:39:14 whee Nov 03 14:39:21 Horray! Nov 03 14:39:31 DocScrutinizer: can you reveal how the firmware is built? ;) Nov 03 14:39:33 ah ok Nov 03 14:40:01 lindi-: by use of some nasty TI windows tools ;-) Nov 03 14:40:09 DocScrutinizer: ie. do you have full source or do you just link against some library Nov 03 14:40:33 we don't have full src, we do reverse engineering :-D Nov 03 14:40:59 inside the broken libs we link against Nov 03 14:41:22 fuckin'a Nov 03 14:41:42 DocScrutinizer: rright. but you at least were able to add your own hardware identification name (whatever it was called)? Nov 03 14:42:20 :D Nov 03 14:42:42 Joerg, you're naughty :p Nov 03 14:43:04 Zorkman, for how long should it be flashing? Nov 03 14:43:34 Fougner: 15min? Nov 03 14:44:18 Fougner: you have a progress bar Nov 03 14:44:55 uhm, ignore previous post :) I didn't see the progressbar on my computer's bash Nov 03 14:46:09 is it recommended to use the 2008.8.uImage with the 2008.8.rootfs? =) Nov 03 14:46:44 anyone know how i go about flashing a default u-boot_env Nov 03 14:46:55 cause like i have no backups Nov 03 14:46:58 Fougner: there is also 2008.9 if you didn't know: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ Nov 03 14:47:30 Zorkman, okay, could I use the 2008.9 kernel with the 2008.8 fs? Nov 03 14:47:45 I think so Nov 03 14:48:01 or else I just have to reflash ? =) Nov 03 14:48:40 reflashin a kernel is very fast Nov 03 14:49:28 lindi-: we have *some* sources Nov 03 14:50:11 Zorkman, the splash, why should I flash it? :) Nov 03 14:50:18 DocScrutinizer: ok Nov 03 14:50:35 DocScrutinizer: they don't happen to mention CBHZ anywhere? ;)) Nov 03 14:50:50 oh and btw, where do I find an u-boot image? Nov 03 14:51:00 but honestly this one just was a lib-fix done by TI that accidentally got reverted for MOKO8 and probably MOKO9 Nov 03 14:51:17 lindi-: CBHZ? Nov 03 14:54:29 DocScrutinizer: trac.freesmartphone.org is bit slow but the bug is that AT+CBHZ=1 causes horrible voice quality Nov 03 14:54:35 DocScrutinizer: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/151 Nov 03 14:55:05 hmmm :-/ a strange one. Nov 03 14:55:14 very strange Nov 03 14:55:26 it should not have _anything_ to do with voice quality Nov 03 14:55:56 yeah, calypso is kinda nasty Nov 03 14:56:24 whew that was a close one Nov 03 14:56:26 yesterday mickey found +CLIR is mux channel specific Nov 03 14:56:42 also a brain-damaged one Nov 03 14:56:43 not a big fan of u-boot Nov 03 14:57:20 Fougner: you don't have to flash the splash Nov 03 14:57:24 it's only a cosmetic change Nov 03 14:57:38 i need to make my own Nov 03 14:57:45 Zorkman, yeah, I thought so, but I did.. woho, got boots in my bootsplash now =D Nov 03 14:58:13 wow, this.. is.. cool... Nov 03 14:58:37 Fougner: the boots are froml 2008.8, not from flashing the splash Nov 03 14:58:56 aha. Nov 03 14:58:57 the splash you flashed just displays "openmoko" when you boot Nov 03 14:59:06 no it doesn't ^^ Nov 03 14:59:13 yes it does :P Nov 03 14:59:23 but I can't see :O Nov 03 14:59:37 Fougner you can see it while u-boot is loading Nov 03 14:59:51 the first few seconds after the FR powers up Nov 03 14:59:58 ah, well, have to look closer next boot Nov 03 15:00:12 but how can I get my old "loading-screen" back? Nov 03 15:00:31 that one with the progressba Nov 03 15:00:32 bar* Nov 03 15:00:56 Fougner: re-flash 2007.2 :) Nov 03 15:00:57 hmm, how do I unlock the screen? :o Nov 03 15:01:02 Zorkman, no way! Nov 03 15:01:03 :D Nov 03 15:01:14 unlock: hit auw Nov 03 15:01:16 *aux Nov 03 15:01:37 nothing happens =( Nov 03 15:01:59 if it is locked; a big bar with LOCKED on it will be displayed Nov 03 15:02:34 well, the screen was black.. Nov 03 15:02:51 but I pressed the powerbutton and something happened =) Nov 03 15:03:56 the aux-button is red :O Nov 03 15:05:32 so FR is charging, nothing to worry ;-) Nov 03 15:06:14 ah. hehe Nov 03 15:06:51 * DocScrutinizer tries another time to get away of terminal. CU Nov 03 15:06:53 I read the getting started before, but some things I just won't learn Nov 03 15:08:25 Fougner: when the screen is black it is because the FR is suspended Nov 03 15:08:38 you can change the settings if you don't want him to suspend Nov 03 15:08:41 Zorkman, aha, powersaving mode =D Nov 03 15:08:51 Zorkman, how do I get wifi on? =/ Nov 03 15:09:15 seems it couldn't be activated in the menu Nov 03 15:09:22 Fougner: that is a bit tricky, it mostly one works with some help of the terminal... Nov 03 15:09:28 if you used the menu Nov 03 15:09:34 I just want to update the phone =D Nov 03 15:09:54 you can try to udhcpc eth0 Nov 03 15:10:03 (over ssh or on the terminal) Nov 03 15:10:03 I have the FR connected to my computer.. can I get "internet" through here? Nov 03 15:10:11 yes, i will give you a link Nov 03 15:10:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Nov 03 15:11:06 and for the wifi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi Nov 03 15:11:09 but usb networking works Nov 03 15:11:26 (wifi is a bit.... strange.. sometimes :)) Nov 03 15:11:47 wow Nov 03 15:12:28 Zorkman, haha, okay, but, where's my terminal in the 2008.8? :O Nov 03 15:13:57 Fougner: if there is not one on the homescreen, you will have to install one Nov 03 15:14:06 i would recommend openmoko-terminal2 Nov 03 15:14:22 okay, first, I need to setup network :) thanks for everything Nov 03 15:14:46 get usb networking going, and then when ssh'd into the phone do opkg update && opkg install openmoko-terminal2 Nov 03 15:14:51 np Nov 03 15:14:52 approx how long will it be for gta04 to be released? :P Nov 03 15:14:56 long Nov 03 15:15:22 i want camera and 3g Nov 03 15:15:24 :| Nov 03 15:17:16 The gta04? :P Nov 03 15:17:23 lol Nov 03 15:17:31 Lets first give them loads of time to release the gta03 heh. Nov 03 15:17:48 heh Nov 03 15:18:28 give me a fab!! ;-) Nov 03 15:18:40 i wanna create HW for gta04 Nov 03 15:18:54 a DECENT fab Nov 03 15:19:31 how can I ssh into the phone? :O Nov 03 15:19:37 lol, C8* want to create gta04 hw :-D Nov 03 15:19:37 Fougner: set up sshd Nov 03 15:19:38 Camera.. whats next. Portable microwave, videocamera, flashlight, integrated bank chip functionality, remote car control.. Nov 03 15:19:58 laen: that would be cool Nov 03 15:20:04 *I* Nov 03 15:20:11 i got all that on my 5yr old nokia Nov 03 15:20:20 Ah not to forget, HDTV, a Blu-ray and DVD reader and recorder.. Nov 03 15:20:38 Subwoofer. Nov 03 15:20:44 5.1 sound Nov 03 15:21:45 laen: we didn't consider the microwave yet :-) Nov 03 15:22:15 DVD depends on ME and ID Nov 03 15:22:27 I mean, come on.. it's not about stuffing as much as possible into a phone.. it's a phone, it's about mobile stuff, phone is mobility, GPS comes naturally as you're on the way, as is wifi if you're walking around the house. And a linux platform to run it all, the extra you get from the linux OS is just cool. Nov 03 15:23:15 yeah as does G-meter, multitouch... Nov 03 15:24:05 we're not even sure if it's a phone at all :-D Nov 03 15:24:43 maybe gta04 will be a microwave oven Nov 03 15:25:35 joerg_42: if that microwave is as buggy as the FR.... it will be a weapon of mass distruction :D Nov 03 15:25:57 that's the plan :-D Nov 03 15:26:04 (don't get me wrong, i love my Fr, but I wouldn't control a 1kW device with it :D) Nov 03 15:26:29 speaking of, my microwave oven melted Nov 03 15:26:34 gonna try repairing it Nov 03 15:26:42 Multitouch is human interfacing. Nov 03 15:26:54 G-Meter/Movement detector jumps in on that. Nov 03 15:27:32 what is the g-mter good for? Nov 03 15:27:35 as does gyro, compass, barometer... Nov 03 15:27:38 what can it be used for? Nov 03 15:27:50 frank0: gesture Nov 03 15:27:56 gesture? Nov 03 15:27:58 Well Compass ok, barometer is a bit weird. Nov 03 15:28:01 wii Nov 03 15:28:14 barometer can be used as an altitude meter, no? Nov 03 15:28:20 but i think it would be overkill Nov 03 15:28:22 yup Nov 03 15:28:44 frank0: I want to be a millionare Nov 03 15:28:54 I personally would not have a very big use for it; more stuff is always cool, but they can conflict in so many ways... Nov 03 15:29:26 no chance for overkill with a softair gun ;-) baro is ~30ct Nov 03 15:29:36 [16:15:22] i want camera and 3g <-was to this one Nov 03 15:29:50 laen :D Nov 03 15:29:53 Zorkman :D Nov 03 15:30:08 bumbl: then you gotta work hard or win the lottery Nov 03 15:30:11 hoe gaat het met iedereen :] Nov 03 15:30:22 muy bien Davidov Nov 03 15:30:29 vree goe ;) Nov 03 15:30:43 wow dolf is a belgian also Nov 03 15:30:46 didn't even know that Nov 03 15:30:52 dolf1074 where are you from? Nov 03 15:30:57 brugge Nov 03 15:31:02 :D Nov 03 15:31:04 and have you killed already anybody by acccident with your Fr? Nov 03 15:31:10 Zorkman: baro is great for avionics Nov 03 15:31:20 not accidentally ;p Nov 03 15:31:22 Wtb a new FR. Nov 03 15:31:31 Joerg, especially when flying with freerunner :D Nov 03 15:31:34 joerg_42: so is a searchlight and an emergency beacon and a radar :) Nov 03 15:32:03 no I think joerg_42 means a lot of people throw their FR out of the window, that kind of avionics :) Nov 03 15:32:04 we consider gnuradio :-) Nov 03 15:32:10 that would be cool! Nov 03 15:32:26 thought there would be some problems with regulations Nov 03 15:32:38 tho radar is hard even with gnuradio Nov 03 15:32:57 heh Nov 03 15:33:07 I'm tracking the smugglers with open source! Nov 03 15:33:54 (avionics) think of paragliding Nov 03 15:34:52 could even get thermic info from others via wlan or gprs Nov 03 15:34:52 infrared could be cool if they really start using massive rfid tags Nov 03 15:35:20 ir is top ten Nov 03 15:35:40 especially for its universal remonster capabilities Nov 03 15:35:41 tho don't see rfid connection Nov 03 15:36:01 yeah wtf does IR have to do with rfid Nov 03 15:36:07 is it already decided that there will be a camera? Nov 03 15:36:11 *hint nothing Nov 03 15:36:14 Hell i'd buy a second FR which has the GPS hardware fix and is fully functional (so, only going cause the user is fed up with the flashing and stuff) Nov 03 15:36:15 Zorkman: yes Nov 03 15:36:56 yup Nov 03 15:37:06 way of Nov 03 15:37:17 kd8ikt: i'm also repairing my mw-oven, so sometimes i "talk shit"; I mean infrared would be cool and gnu radio also can do rfid i think Nov 03 15:37:19 Zorkman: though I don't know about the megapixelish. Nov 03 15:37:32 Zorkman: gnu radio is a lie! Nov 03 15:37:38 as in OM future always is speculative Nov 03 15:37:40 Zorkman: at least for low power low cost things. Nov 03 15:37:59 because it takes up too much processing power? Nov 03 15:38:06 SpeedEvil: probably true Nov 03 15:38:06 is there any news about mwester kernel? Nov 03 15:38:06 Basically. Nov 03 15:38:32 Zorkman: Actual hardware radios can use from 2-8 orders of magnitude less power or so. Nov 03 15:38:39 one day when 90% of the people will have gone crazy an bought a gtaX it will form the most powerfull supercomputer :) Nov 03 15:40:06 my friend has one of those HTC's with a camera that can decode those square barcodes Nov 03 15:40:17 SpeedEvil: we would need dedicated fpga or sth Nov 03 15:40:17 cant say i was much impressed Nov 03 15:40:39 cause all the images seem to carry most of the time are urls Nov 03 15:41:22 joerg_42: not 100% true - I'm doing software GPS on a much smaller device - but probably practically true in most cases. Nov 03 15:42:27 kd8ikt: there are _huge_ applications for a camera - other than taking piccys of drunk people. Nov 03 15:42:37 kd8ikt: of course, this relies on software. Nov 03 15:42:58 QRcodes Nov 03 15:43:42 2,953 bytes or 4,296 characters alpha numeric Nov 03 15:43:46 so wikipedia tells me Nov 03 15:44:45 or take pictures of the guy who stole your FR :) Nov 03 15:46:45 i suddenly want to try to make a QR code trojan Nov 03 15:47:08 :D Nov 03 15:47:12 with a buffer overflow, or how? Nov 03 15:47:21 i hope the Fr kills trojans as good as it does with good code :) Nov 03 15:47:28 lol Nov 03 15:48:02 Ah man, someone tell me i'm not the only one with FR freezes. Come on, make meh day better. Nov 03 15:48:18 laen: what freezes? Nov 03 15:48:37 lean: not today, but there have been other days :) Nov 03 15:49:12 mine didn't react on touch tomorrow morning - left it with running debian and connected to charger one or two days ago Nov 03 15:49:20 Well, freezes so you gotta remove the batt. Cause the kernel pacnicked in the background or an app crashed etc.. Nov 03 15:49:23 argh, today in the morning Nov 03 15:49:27 not tomorrow Nov 03 15:49:42 Wonka: you had to remove the batt too? Nov 03 15:50:03 laen: didn't have time to look into it further Nov 03 15:50:26 laen: but it should not freeze just from lying around for about 36h, nor? Nov 03 15:50:32 Zorkman: and you had need-to-remove-batt times too? Nov 03 15:51:43 Zorkman, the network won Nov 03 15:51:47 won't work Nov 03 15:51:48 * Nov 03 15:51:50 i think i fixed the buzzing sound on mine Nov 03 15:52:10 but it probably got ruined cause i didnt save the state Nov 03 15:52:12 turned it off, did you? :p Nov 03 15:52:33 no i called myself while ssh'd in an toyed with alamixer Nov 03 15:52:54 kd8ikt: buzzing is hw problem Nov 03 15:53:01 you can't fix it with software i think Nov 03 15:53:12 Zoooorkman, zeg nou eens :) Nov 03 15:53:15 but if you did it; GIMME GIMME GIMME :) Nov 03 15:53:33 laen: yes Nov 03 15:53:47 Fougner: did you follow the wiki? if you did it should work, really Nov 03 15:53:50 Okay, happy to hear it might just not be a hardware problem. Nov 03 15:53:50 Can alsamixer settings be imported, are they stored somewhere? Nov 03 15:54:02 alsa states Nov 03 15:54:08 i forget where they reside Nov 03 15:54:17 kd8ikt: are any released? Nov 03 15:54:23 laen :p Nov 03 15:54:24 Like, good default settings Nov 03 15:54:26 JONKRISTIAN! Nov 03 15:54:30 Dave: :) Nov 03 15:54:50 When you're smiling... yeah when you're smiling, Dave smiles with youuu! Nov 03 15:54:51 here kd8ikt: /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ Nov 03 15:55:02 laen: agreed:D Nov 03 15:55:12 \o/ Nov 03 15:55:13 all i did was lower one bar (i forget wich one) by one down arrow click and the buzz magicly disapeared Nov 03 15:55:19 * Dave does the happy dance with laen Nov 03 15:55:31 kd8ikt: share the state file:) Nov 03 15:55:39 I mean, #openmoko without Dave would be a lot more stressy people. But thats just a wild guess, i wouldn't wanna try it out heh. Nov 03 15:55:49 no kd8ikt: take a pattent and sell it for big bucks! Nov 03 15:55:53 dankje læn :] Nov 03 15:55:59 * Wonka stress-tests Dave Nov 03 15:56:01 think it was mono 95 Nov 03 15:56:04 [D:] Nov 03 15:56:35 kd8ikt: and is your volume high enough? (mic and speaker) ? Nov 03 15:56:52 why are you asking me? go fucking fart with it Nov 03 15:56:59 There are only 100^50*2^40 possible mixer settings. Just try them all. Nov 03 15:57:00 Zorkman, how do I use udhcpc ? Nov 03 15:57:13 hmm, shorting my battery terminals is likely ill advised. Nov 03 15:57:18 Fougner: you need ssh acces or a terminal on the FR Nov 03 15:57:28 TORIKUN Nov 03 15:57:31 Zorkman, I'm in the FR now Nov 03 15:57:34 Dave ! Nov 03 15:57:43 but I'll try the wifi Nov 03 15:57:46 Fougner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi Nov 03 15:57:55 Zorkman, yeah, I'm there now Nov 03 15:57:58 Fougner is in our FR's, stealing our mojo Nov 03 15:58:20 Zorkman, If you want to connect to an unsecured network run: Nov 03 15:58:20 udhcpc Nov 03 15:58:29 udhcpc eth0 Nov 03 15:58:31 ah Nov 03 15:58:45 sending discover? Nov 03 15:58:54 no!!, they'll find you!!! Nov 03 15:58:59 :| Nov 03 15:59:03 i find i have to enter a essid or epic failure Nov 03 15:59:19 Zorkman, I just want to connect to my wireless router! Nov 03 15:59:20 iwconfig eth0 essid OpenWrt ; udhcpc eth0 Nov 03 15:59:22 Anyone got wep working on 2008.9 ? Nov 03 15:59:23 Fougner: iwlist eth0 essid "YOURESSID" Nov 03 15:59:29 then udhcpc eth0 Nov 03 15:59:32 I'm in ur uggh Nov 03 15:59:38 freerunnnnnnner Nov 03 15:59:50 jonkristian: i got it working Nov 03 16:00:06 you have to be carefull in which order you give the key and the essid Nov 03 16:00:08 Zorkman: any magic settings i should look at Nov 03 16:00:17 Zorkman: do it through terminal+ Nov 03 16:00:18 ? Nov 03 16:00:29 :o Nov 03 16:01:16 <:| Nov 03 16:01:22 iwconfig != iwlist Nov 03 16:01:32 guys, buzz is iduced via MICBIAS voltage to the handset mic. there's no way to fix it with usual level mods in alsamixer Nov 03 16:01:35 bash conditionals are fun Nov 03 16:01:40 kd8ikt: sorry typo Nov 03 16:01:42 meant iwconfig Nov 03 16:01:46 How do you setup multiple networks with autodetecting and autoconnecting with wireless-tools/iwconfig? Nov 03 16:02:04 DocScrutinizer: u beg to differ Nov 03 16:02:11 I have a script to auto-connect to the strongest open wifi Nov 03 16:02:14 I've been a wpa_supplicant person so far.. but now iwconfig supports wpa and wpa2 too and wpa_supplicant freezes the moko.. interesting! Nov 03 16:02:15 i* beg to differ Nov 03 16:02:27 but since i suck at linux and programming it's probably very ugly laen Nov 03 16:03:05 i havent touched wifiweasel in a long time Nov 03 16:03:10 wpa_supplicant is nasty Nov 03 16:03:10 Zorkman, is a terminal included in the new 2008.9 rootfs? :D Nov 03 16:03:12 Zorkman: Join my project and learn Java Nov 03 16:03:12 lol Nov 03 16:03:29 Fougner: I installed it through the installer gui Nov 03 16:03:31 Torikun: i can program a little bit java, but it's been a long time Nov 03 16:03:42 Sweet Nov 03 16:04:01 Swing is kinda difficulkt Nov 03 16:04:10 tmobile works with the neo right? Nov 03 16:04:26 Yes Nov 03 16:04:29 I am using Tmobile Nov 03 16:04:32 jonkristian, the problem is that I have a hard time to setup a network connection =D Nov 03 16:04:43 chi: with the new firmware EVERY provider should work Nov 03 16:05:04 Fougner: Me too Nov 03 16:05:13 heh Zorkman it does not work with AT&T Nov 03 16:05:15 Dave: you heard of Chox lately? or did he abandon us completely? Nov 03 16:05:29 jonkristian, how did you get a connection then? :O Nov 03 16:05:29 chi: the new firmware is in testing, in a few days it will be available Nov 03 16:05:36 reaaaally? Nov 03 16:05:41 yes really Nov 03 16:05:57 Zorkman, yeah, I haven't. Nov 03 16:05:58 Zorkman, and it will work with the sims listed as bad for att? Nov 03 16:05:58 CHI Nov 03 16:06:00 except when they find an unexpected bug that makes it blow up your FR Nov 03 16:06:01 DAVE Nov 03 16:06:11 chi: yes normally it will Nov 03 16:06:22 Chi, weren't you the one pestering me about my SIM? and the bad ones on the wiki lately? :p Nov 03 16:06:33 bad chi! Nov 03 16:06:37 haha Nov 03 16:06:38 Dave, yes att does not carry any working sims up here in MN Nov 03 16:06:52 well I threw mine up on teh wiki Nov 03 16:07:06 MN=minnesota.? Nov 03 16:07:20 Yes Nov 03 16:07:35 Dave, i saw thank you =D Nov 03 16:07:40 ]:D Nov 03 16:07:44 MN = manganese :D Nov 03 16:07:50 Mn Nov 03 16:07:56 ah Nov 03 16:07:57 hehe Nov 03 16:08:11 Fougner: I only got a connection via usb at the moment Nov 03 16:08:17 Mmm... Nov 03 16:08:20 jonkristian, how did you do? :O Nov 03 16:08:53 Fougner: in short? http://rafb.net/p/7cnSQz78.html Nov 03 16:08:56 ok how do i save the current alsa state to a new file Nov 03 16:09:04 alsactl store ./filename? Nov 03 16:09:07 Fougner: then ssh root@192.168.0.202 -p 22 Nov 03 16:09:31 kd8, go for it Nov 03 16:10:34 is there any news about mwester kernel? Nov 03 16:10:57 kd8ikt: alsactl store ? Nov 03 16:11:03 alsactl store -f ./filename Nov 03 16:11:12 kd8ikt: just alsactl store and copy the state file Nov 03 16:12:01 alsactl store me some breakfast Nov 03 16:12:08 s/store/score/ Nov 03 16:12:08 Dave meant: alsactl score me some breakfast Nov 03 16:12:08 http://pastebin.com/f2f0810f Nov 03 16:12:09 :D Nov 03 16:12:50 works good for me i didnt hear any buzz on the remote side Nov 03 16:12:56 alsastore --buy breakfast Nov 03 16:13:53 there's an alsa store? :D Nov 03 16:13:57 is it in the mall? :P Nov 03 16:14:32 I see leinirs. Nov 03 16:15:20 well the buz wasnt as pronounced as it is by default Nov 03 16:15:36 gsmhandset.state Nov 03 16:15:37 extra-special buzz for you? Nov 03 16:15:47 yeah i need to go buy a beer now Nov 03 16:15:59 * Dave beers kd8ikt Nov 03 16:16:02 o/ Nov 03 16:16:17 lpotter is still hiding Nov 03 16:16:20 Really you only see one of me... ;) Nov 03 16:16:24 too bad we can't bug him :( Nov 03 16:16:25 :D 17:11 Dave >> is it in the mall? :P Nov 03 16:16:30 jonkristian, you made my day.. thanks Nov 03 16:16:45 those alsa state files are huge Nov 03 16:17:11 almost 1000 lines Nov 03 16:17:16 is there a way to update all my stuff in the GUI ? Nov 03 16:17:23 Hey, did OM 2008.9 get officially released or is OM 2008.8 the last _real_ release? Kinda confusing. Nov 03 16:18:00 :p Nov 03 16:21:44 how do I add entries to the applications menu in qtopia? Nov 03 16:22:04 /usr/share/applications/*.desktop Nov 03 16:22:22 heh Nov 03 16:22:25 q0b that folder is empty, i already checked Nov 03 16:22:25 cwb Nov 03 16:28:56 kd8ikt: which of the state files did you paste? Nov 03 16:29:04 gsmhandset.state? Nov 03 16:29:04 gsmhandset.state Nov 03 16:29:07 ok Nov 03 16:31:54 ieatlint: ping Nov 03 16:32:03 hi Nov 03 16:32:09 hey i found something for ya Nov 03 16:32:18 oh? Nov 03 16:32:19 still live in san fran right? Nov 03 16:32:24 yep Nov 03 16:32:28 http://cozybit.com/were-hiring/ Nov 03 16:32:33 heh Nov 03 16:32:41 80211s Nov 03 16:33:14 although i think i'm a bit far from an "embedded engineer" Nov 03 16:33:26 Is there a restart script for the alsa daemon? Nov 03 16:33:26 i probably am as well, hehe Nov 03 16:33:39 oh wait there is a junoir possition Nov 03 16:33:42 or will it activate the state file immediatly Nov 03 16:34:24 junior position Nov 03 16:35:08 jonkristian: what's alsa daemon? Nov 03 16:35:17 lindi-: alsa Nov 03 16:35:28 jonkristian: alsa is a kernel subsystem Nov 03 16:35:59 advanced linux sound architecture Nov 03 16:39:01 jonkristian: i don't think it is associated with any particular daemon Nov 03 16:39:29 mkkay Nov 03 16:42:12 pypennotes is cool Nov 03 16:43:08 hey Sup3rkiddo :-) Nov 03 16:43:15 Just bugged you on linkedin :-) Nov 03 16:43:24 Ainulindale, hi, evening Nov 03 16:43:52 cool...checking Nov 03 16:47:40 Ainulindale, yay, added Nov 03 16:51:57 :-) Nov 03 16:53:09 Fougner: any luck with wireless? Nov 03 16:53:43 is anyone familiar with agpsui2? does it work? is it useful? Nov 03 16:53:44 jonkristian, nop, not yet.. But I got it working with the usb Nov 03 16:54:17 Fougner: cool Nov 03 16:54:18 if either, is a recipe available? Nov 03 16:55:28 Where to download ufb-util for linux i386? Nov 03 16:55:44 this link seem to be broken http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util Nov 03 16:56:33 apt-get install dfu-util Nov 03 16:57:19 can't find package Nov 03 16:57:27 using ubuntu8.04 Nov 03 16:57:46 it's at least in debian lenny Nov 03 16:58:51 ok. So where can I grab that one? Nov 03 16:59:01 Can I use the same? Nov 03 17:00:34 Man, it's pretty sad how slow the freerunner is. Nov 03 17:01:08 puppe: at least you could apt-get --build source it Nov 03 17:01:28 Found something called: dfu-programmer - device firmware update (DFU) based USB programmer for Atmel chips Nov 03 17:01:44 dfu-util works fine? Nov 03 17:01:51 and looking at this page it suggest it could perhaps be the same http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dfu-util Nov 03 17:02:18 Ah, apt-get source. Got it Nov 03 17:02:22 thanks Nov 03 17:02:24 puppe, use NeoTool? :D Nov 03 17:03:13 puppe: What's wrong with http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/dfu-util ? Nov 03 17:04:24 NeoTool. Nope. Is it a substitute? Do you have a link to it? Nov 03 17:04:35 puppe: no, it's a GUI Nov 03 17:04:54 aha, thanks Nov 03 17:05:27 Dave: oh, somehow I didn't see that link before. ??? Thanks a lot. I guess solves my problems :) Nov 03 17:05:40 :D Nov 03 17:05:49 :D Nov 03 17:15:14 hmm, I try to install mediaplayer Nov 03 17:16:15 what about it fougner? Nov 03 17:17:10 * jonkristian just spendt 10minuttes trying to figure out how to exit doom :D Nov 03 17:17:16 :D Nov 03 17:17:20 DOOM! Nov 03 17:17:24 * Dave dooms Zorkman Nov 03 17:17:51 I'm still holding out for Mortal Kombat Nov 03 17:17:56 or some clone of it :] Nov 03 17:17:59 it has sensible way to strafe? Nov 03 17:18:01 Doom that is Nov 03 17:18:30 Who would want to play a game like that with motion and movement? Nov 03 17:18:37 (i.e. gestures) Nov 03 17:19:08 Zorkman, "dep-resolution-failed" Nov 03 17:19:16 * Dave pictures serious bodily injury resulting from two or more players engaging in Killer Instinct on the freerunner Nov 03 17:19:16 Hm, /bin/sh: Link: not found Nov 03 17:19:17 openmoko-mediaplayer Nov 03 17:19:29 jonk, awesome Nov 03 17:21:14 Zorkman, also, I can scp files (mp3) over to the sdcard, but is there a GUI for a filemanager? =) Nov 03 17:21:54 midnight commander Nov 03 17:21:59 hahaha Nov 03 17:22:04 Fuck yeah! Nov 03 17:22:10 or gpe-filemanager? Nov 03 17:22:15 =D Nov 03 17:22:16 or is that abandoned? Nov 03 17:22:38 wish mc had fish:// like ftp:// Nov 03 17:23:00 cd ftp://user:pass@ftpserver.com Nov 03 17:23:10 why does it take so long for a simple app to be installed? Nov 03 17:23:43 must not be simple ;) Nov 03 17:25:43 hm, possible bug Nov 03 17:25:50 bitrate 1 M/bs Nov 03 17:26:09 on eth0, shouldn't that be 54? Nov 03 17:26:51 iwconfig eth0 rate 54 Nov 03 17:26:58 or auto Nov 03 17:28:47 auto sets it to 1 Nov 03 17:28:51 That's not good, right Nov 03 17:29:36 jonkristian: over USB 1.1? Nov 03 17:29:51 Weiss: no, im trying to get wifi working Nov 03 17:29:54 ah, sorry Nov 03 17:29:58 wasn't paying attention.. Nov 03 17:30:16 but the rate of the wlan card is up to 54? Nov 03 17:31:26 yeah mine says 54 Nov 03 17:31:41 gr Nov 03 17:31:43 jonkristian: what's the signal strength? Nov 03 17:31:44 might be the kernel youre using or something like being really far from the AP Nov 03 17:31:51 Weiss: at the moment, 0 Nov 03 17:32:18 also, you may be interested in some of the benchmarks on the kernel list recently.. they only put it below about 1Mb/sec and suspect there are limitations somewhere in the kernel Nov 03 17:32:22 kd8ikt: Im using Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin Nov 03 17:32:51 with Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.tar.gz Nov 03 17:32:52 on a sd Nov 03 17:32:53 When getting into the boot menu and choosing "Set console to USB" I get "Press [AUX] to return to boot menu." and is afterward promptly put back into the boot menu. Am I doing something wrong here or is that how it is supposed to be? Nov 03 17:32:56 ah no kidding? Nov 03 17:33:19 no thats a successfull cmd execution puppe Nov 03 17:33:20 kd8ikt: ? Nov 03 17:33:37 Weiss: Nov 03 17:34:01 ok... Nov 03 17:34:32 so you should be able to jump into the uboot prompt now Nov 03 17:35:17 chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 ; cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Nov 03 17:36:02 Ok thanks. Will have to read a bit more... Nov 03 17:36:19 Ieeeeee! Nov 03 17:36:23 Installing debian.. E: Internal error: install Nov 03 17:36:27 yeah cause you could really fubar some stuff in u-boot shell Nov 03 17:36:41 like i did earlier Nov 03 17:37:55 oh puppe Nov 03 17:38:10 i forgot you can backup your u-boot env Nov 03 17:38:17 incase u F something up Nov 03 17:38:59 dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U mybackup (i think) Nov 03 17:39:57 dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U bkup081103_u-boot_env.bin Nov 03 17:40:40 then if you want to restore it `dfu-util -s u-boot_env -R -D bkup081103_u-boot_env.bin Nov 03 17:40:50 er -a not -s Nov 03 17:41:28 Thanks kd8ikt Nov 03 17:41:48 What's the recommended kernel as of now? for 2008.9 ? Nov 03 17:41:52 Going through the wiki at the moment. Saving your stuff for later :) Nov 03 17:42:19 read 5 times act once Nov 03 17:42:32 more like 20 :D Nov 03 17:42:34 unless you're reading a retards post Nov 03 17:42:55 thats when wisdom comes into play Nov 03 17:44:50 jonkristian: recommended kernels http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images Nov 03 17:45:04 jonkristian: i think i already showed you that link Nov 03 17:49:47 cause i just ran into some wicked u-boot_env whoah's earlier and thank god i found a uboot_env.bin backup someone else made over the interweb it saved my arse Nov 03 17:50:45 hahaha Nov 03 17:50:48 debian's installer.sh is fail (i think it was because i didnt have dosfstools installed Nov 03 17:51:30 so it was having problems getting the kernel from the sdcard but for some reason the regular boot from flash option was fubared too Nov 03 17:51:47 i was seriously freaked Nov 03 17:51:55 sounds like Nov 03 17:52:24 but after i flashed the default uboot_env both boot fine now Nov 03 17:52:37 so dont let the debian installer mess with your u-boot Nov 03 17:53:07 i should probably edit that wiki page Nov 03 17:53:15 why would you ever want to? Nov 03 17:53:42 It's like: "Please hold, while we install our rootkit..." Nov 03 17:53:46 aah a new day Nov 03 17:53:49 (Tentacles ready) Nov 03 17:55:09 any plans of a desktop application that supplements the Neo, like for backup, sending sms/calling from the computer, copying music and films with transcode+++++ Nov 03 17:55:28 Ah, I see. Nov 03 17:55:33 not a bad idea Nov 03 17:56:00 i especially like the transcode part Nov 03 17:56:18 Free_maN: first we need it to actually work as a phone. Nov 03 17:56:20 :) What's the optimal video format for the Neo? Nov 03 17:56:23 any video > mpeg4 Nov 03 17:56:35 fredrin: it should probably do that before working on other stuff. Nov 03 17:57:25 SpeedEvil: transcode video? Nov 03 17:57:45 mencoder Nov 03 17:57:47 fredrin: work as a phone Nov 03 17:57:48 ffmpeg Nov 03 18:00:24 Thanks Dave and kd8ikt and everyone. Must say it is great to have help line over here. :) Nov 03 18:01:16 Sure :) Nov 03 18:02:51 omfg some SOB put an obama ad on my doornob Nov 03 18:04:22 kd8ikt: which state? Nov 03 18:04:29 Ohio Nov 03 18:04:33 we vote tomorrow Nov 03 18:04:36 well, then :) Nov 03 18:04:45 I'm actually kind of jealous Nov 03 18:04:57 I'm in MA Nov 03 18:05:00 where my vote counts for crap Nov 03 18:05:10 theres a fricken sign outfront that says NO SOLICITING. he's breaking the lawl Nov 03 18:05:11 at least yours matters Nov 03 18:05:23 *shrug* Nov 03 18:05:24 i'm telling Nov 03 18:05:40 i hate candidates that do that crap Nov 03 18:05:55 * mwester hates politicians in general. Nov 03 18:06:07 i want to move to canada or europe Nov 03 18:06:20 kd8ikt, you're welcome here =D Nov 03 18:06:28 where you live? Nov 03 18:06:30 kd8ikt: oh, you think the flyer is officially from the campaign? Nov 03 18:06:31 Sweden Nov 03 18:06:50 nice Nov 03 18:07:01 * mwester used to think .au would be good, but now they have some ridiculous internet police thing going on. Nov 03 18:07:16 Austria? Nov 03 18:07:18 i had a penpall from finland when i was in like 6th grade Nov 03 18:07:19 mwester-trip: uk is heading that way too. Nov 03 18:07:41 * cjb suspects he's going to like living the US much more when Obama is president :) Nov 03 18:07:47 i kinda want to go to china too Nov 03 18:08:11 kd8ikt: is ohio democratic or republican? Nov 03 18:08:19 bumbl: it is a swing state. Nov 03 18:08:24 demo i believe Nov 03 18:08:39 as homer said: this won't happen in America. Maybe in Ohio. But not in America Nov 03 18:08:47 but it sure will be interesting seeing the results of the vote Nov 03 18:08:59 why can Nov 03 18:09:14 why can't I find the maps for sweden in the repos :| Nov 03 18:09:33 kd8ikt: don't move to Europe Nov 03 18:09:34 Fougner: because you haven't packaged them Nov 03 18:09:41 our politicans are brain dead Nov 03 18:10:03 ours are evil. All of them. Not sure brain dead isn't better. Nov 03 18:10:19 we have few smart ones here Nov 03 18:11:06 howbout germany Nov 03 18:11:16 that would be another choice for me Nov 03 18:11:39 kd8ikt: i would not like to move to germany Nov 03 18:11:50 kd8ikt, why germany? P Nov 03 18:11:51 :P* Nov 03 18:12:04 beer and my last name is german Nov 03 18:12:12 Hahah Nov 03 18:12:16 might find some long lost distabt relatives Nov 03 18:12:22 xD Nov 03 18:12:27 Lutz Nov 03 18:12:33 * SpeedEvil passes kd8ikt some leiderhosen. Nov 03 18:12:40 mwester: brain dead = needs advisor = lobbies Nov 03 18:12:40 hmm, about sweden, if you're a beerdrinker you probably wouldn't like it here Nov 03 18:12:42 leider? Nov 03 18:12:48 * kd8ikt puts em on Nov 03 18:13:02 Fougner: agreed Nov 03 18:13:03 SpeedEvil: Lederhosen are even more common here in Austria Nov 03 18:14:17 Tm_T, you're swede? Nov 03 18:14:28 Fougner: nope Nov 03 18:14:38 okay xD Nov 03 18:14:54 but why do you agree? =) Nov 03 18:15:12 root@om-gta02:~# opkg update && opkg upgrade Nov 03 18:15:12 Collected errors: Nov 03 18:15:12 * Could not obtain administrative lock Nov 03 18:15:14 whyyyyyyyyy? Nov 03 18:15:20 Fougner: I know your stuff Nov 03 18:15:30 hehe, "Systembolaget" Nov 03 18:16:08 * mwester doesn't think "beer" when he thinks Sweden. Nov 03 18:16:17 Fougner: you have Installer open on the freerunner Nov 03 18:16:22 perhaps "expensive beer"? Nov 03 18:16:36 Abba? Nov 03 18:17:04 google-image searches is fun. Nov 03 18:17:08 Safe-search off. Nov 03 18:17:23 search for 'german' 'norwegian' 'swedish' ... Nov 03 18:17:35 * bumbl thinks about blondes when he thinks of Sweden Nov 03 18:17:39 * mwester has kids here... he'd thinks he'll not try that. ;) Nov 03 18:20:03 Second image on 'german' after the flag. Nov 03 18:20:06 http://www.indiewire.com/ipop/GermanKnowles.jpg Nov 03 18:20:09 (worksafe) Nov 03 18:20:37 bumbl, blondes, heheh ;) Nov 03 18:21:22 P: Extracting login Nov 03 18:21:23 tar: crc error Nov 03 18:21:30 I guess thats bad? :P Nov 03 18:22:32 heh Nov 03 18:23:12 hello Nov 03 18:23:26 hm, time for my fortnightly "which distribution should I run on my Freerunner?" dilemma Nov 03 18:23:51 heh Nov 03 18:24:24 can someone help me with projects.openmoko? I always get a "Permission denied (public key)" even after uploading the pubkey Nov 03 18:24:26 cjb: let me know if you find a solution for your dilemma Nov 03 18:25:59 cjb: i guess the logical.. debian on SD, qtopia on the system itself if you really wanna use it daily, unless you wanna keep testing, you're up for * on it. Nov 03 18:26:22 what's the modules for? i mean, are they necessary? i got all the distros running without them, what do they do? Nov 03 18:26:35 laen: ah, I'm on FSOv3 at the moment Nov 03 18:26:52 TAsnn: never heard of linux modules before? Nov 03 18:27:19 today i tried to write a new phone app that'd just work but it seems to be quite tricky :) Nov 03 18:27:32 lindi-, i have Nov 03 18:27:38 i just wonder why does it work without em Nov 03 18:27:50 cjb, maybe you should try SHR one day ;) Nov 03 18:27:50 or did you already? Nov 03 18:27:54 all the important stuff might be compiled into kernel Nov 03 18:28:11 TAsnn: you need them for example for iptables or usb keyboard afaik Nov 03 18:28:12 quickdev: I'm a little confused about what it is Nov 03 18:28:17 quickdev: does it use the FSO shell? Nov 03 18:28:52 TAsnn: since those features you use are compiled in in your kernel Nov 03 18:29:02 lindi-, thanks Nov 03 18:29:10 ulf, exactly what i was asking Nov 03 18:29:18 what do they do Nov 03 18:29:34 iptables and usb keyboards are the answers i expected ;] Nov 03 18:30:11 TAsnn: hm, i think i don't understand you question? Nov 03 18:30:32 TAsnn: s/you/your/ Nov 03 18:30:33 you do Nov 03 18:30:35 you did* Nov 03 18:30:40 i got the answers i wanted Nov 03 18:30:44 thanks ;] Nov 03 18:30:53 ok :) Nov 03 18:31:07 cjb, it's based on FSO, yes Nov 03 18:31:19 quickdev: what's different about it to FSO? Nov 03 18:31:58 cjb, it has some basic EFL C phone apps, dialer, messaging, contacts Nov 03 18:34:40 Don't the modules that come with mwester's kernel provide the stuff so the qtextended image doesn't break as quick? Nov 03 18:35:36 Booting the qtextended without those gives errors, so i guess they're not optional there. Never seen other modules though. Nov 03 18:47:25 laen: The modules are for completeness, mainly. In common cases, none of them are ever used, which IMO is a good thing. Uncommon cases that might need the modules would be for WPA with wireless. Nov 03 18:48:15 So I suspect a lot of people just ignore the errors and don't bother with the modules. Which is unfortunate, because as some point they will need them, and by then they will have completely forgotten that they didn't install the modules... Nov 03 18:48:38 WPA isn't really an uncommon case... Nov 03 18:48:55 Ah, maybe that's why the FR freezes when i do internet/networking stuff in the internet menu item. Nov 03 18:49:07 indeed leinirAWAY, but you're not away are you ;) Nov 03 18:49:11 missing module should never cause crash Nov 03 18:49:22 Only just got back :) Nov 03 18:49:28 Welcome back! :) Nov 03 18:50:44 leinir: since WPA doesn't work worth a **** on the FR, it's uncommon for the FR! ;) Nov 03 18:51:39 Well, wireless-tools support wpa and wpa2, so i see no real -need- for wpa_supp though. Nov 03 18:52:12 I mean i got used to wpa_supplicant cause of the wpa/2 lack in wireless-tools. Nov 03 18:52:24 mwester: Well, that's true :) Nov 03 18:52:31 Now thats gone.. wireless-tools interest me again. Nov 03 18:53:32 Werner has been working on the wireless, and I understand that we'll have to have the wifi driver itself be a module. Nov 03 18:54:02 Apparently, the only way to re-initialize the Atheros code after you have powered off the wifi is to unload/reload the module. Nov 03 18:54:50 So that's why I have not bothered to put the WPA-required crypto drivers in-kernel; if we need to have the wifi be a module, we might as well have all the wifi-related stuff be modules. Nov 03 18:56:00 is the FR charging the battery in suspended mode? Nov 03 18:56:21 yes, should Nov 03 18:56:22 or what happens when in suspended mode? Nov 03 18:56:27 Hi, anyone tried mokoko in FSO-testing? Nov 03 18:56:57 anyhow, I'm out of here.. think I should install Qt next :D bye Nov 03 18:57:51 i get the following error installing mokoko in FSO Nov 03 18:57:51 Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for mokoko: Nov 03 18:57:51 * libeina0 (>= 0.0.1+svnr36882) * Nov 03 18:58:08 mwester: do you suffer from #666? Nov 03 18:58:16 i do? Nov 03 18:58:47 not very helpfull that tip Nov 03 18:58:48 joerg_42: Due to amazing good luck, I actually have three sims, and not a single one of them suffers from #666. Nov 03 18:59:05 But I have kids, so I can steal a couple more sims to test something, if required. Nov 03 18:59:22 :-/ ;-) so no tester for fixed FW Nov 03 18:59:29 Oooh Nov 03 18:59:30 mwester: hi Nov 03 18:59:38 Ok. Nov 03 19:00:03 I shall snag a couple of sims later today when the kids come home from school, and see if any have the 666 problem. Nov 03 19:00:17 mwester: let me know if you see 666 Nov 03 19:00:24 I'll do that. :) Nov 03 19:00:30 ( Nov 03 19:00:33 k Nov 03 19:00:38 :) Nov 03 19:00:42 mwester: andy already put the patch in stable eventhough I said I didn't do any serious testing... Nov 03 19:01:07 andy is very liberal with stable ;) But it looks like a low-risk patch. Nov 03 19:01:22 I need to get it onto the knife-kernel yet, will do that after work todya. Nov 03 19:01:49 mwester: well yes, but still... it's called "stable" and people would think that's for a reason. Nov 03 19:01:59 Interesting news on the WSoD bug -- possibly temp. sensitive. Nov 03 19:03:05 I tried with my v5 FR (put it in a condensation-prevention-container, and placed it in my thermal test chamber) -- still can't get mine to WSoD :( Nov 03 19:03:08 mwester: about hw-ecc to actually use an image with hw-ecc one would need an updated uboot that also uses hw-ecc to flash the image properly, right? Nov 03 19:03:17 I think so. Nov 03 19:03:30 A side effect would be that you can't boot from NOR anymore. Nov 03 19:03:33 mwester: oh, how come? where does that info about temperature come from? Nov 03 19:03:33 mwester: (temp) WAAAAH Nov 03 19:03:46 mwester: well my debugboard is in the mail ;) Nov 03 19:04:16 Kensan: bug tracker -- email to distro list. Nov 03 19:04:19 this morning. Nov 03 19:05:11 The symptoms the reporter adds to the bug report would explain, to some degree, the WSoD only happening after suspend for 20 minutes or longer -- if the parts have cooled in that timeframe. Nov 03 19:05:37 mwester: hm maybe I should subscribe to that list... Nov 03 19:06:05 It's a long shot, but every little clue might help someone ask the Glamo mfgr the right question to fill in the missing bit of information that would help that thing resume reliablly. Nov 03 19:06:15 mwester: this could also be deteriorating info in video ram Nov 03 19:06:21 or register Nov 03 19:06:36 Would that also possibly deteriorate faster as temp changed? Nov 03 19:06:44 yup Nov 03 19:06:47 Well. Nov 03 19:06:58 That sounds more probable than anything else. Nov 03 19:06:59 so ok, temp dependent Nov 03 19:07:08 ohhhh Nov 03 19:08:10 Based on the emails on the om kernel list, that's the only big issue remaining that keeps us from moving up to the 2.6.26 kernel... so close@! Nov 03 19:08:25 distinguish refresh from pure temp: switch on from suspend every 5min for few sec Nov 03 19:08:37 hi .. is there a way to configure the gsm pin, so that is no pin entry dialog after a reboot? (om 2008/09) Nov 03 19:09:15 but first I need one that exibits the WSoD problem -- hard to debug when mine works just fine! :) Nov 03 19:09:23 if it's refresh, it won't show up when U refresh every x min Nov 03 19:09:56 by refresh you mean the video ram, or just bring up the power to the glamo and turn if off again? Nov 03 19:10:11 if its temp it will cool down despite tsec on every few min Nov 03 19:10:40 true Nov 03 19:10:50 go from suspend to power up and back to suspend Nov 03 19:11:05 so all the ram and regs gets a refresh Nov 03 19:11:15 anyway, gotta get back to work right now. Good stuff -- I'll see if I can borrow a sim that won't register. Nov 03 19:11:32 cool :-) Nov 03 19:13:23 qt is nice. but bluetooth and wifi don't work Nov 03 19:13:31 tell me about it Nov 03 19:13:33 :D Nov 03 19:13:38 i just did :D Nov 03 19:14:09 better than 2008 though. are calls/sms over suspend working? haven't tried that yet Nov 03 19:14:39 I preffer 2008.9 over qt Nov 03 19:14:51 Haven't tested both much though Nov 03 19:14:56 tried FDOM? Nov 03 19:16:07 not yet Nov 03 19:16:58 i plan to mostly use it as a portable gsm/sms/http server though. so i'd just use whatever's most stable and easiest to develop for Nov 03 19:17:19 I added the angstrom repo today to get navit, and now it's updgrading everything from angstrom Nov 03 19:17:27 indeed Nov 03 19:17:55 whom can I contact if i don't manage to login to my project at projects.openmoko.org? Nov 03 19:22:27 Too bad qt runs under fb Nov 03 19:22:50 err you can build it with X11 too Nov 03 19:24:43 cd #openmoko-debian Nov 03 19:24:46 whoops :P Nov 03 19:25:17 strange, i have libfftw3 installed in the toolchain but i cannot find a package file Nov 03 19:25:42 i'm developing an application that depends on that package and copying the library manually to the FR works but i don't want to include it in the package Nov 03 19:25:52 (in my own package) Nov 03 19:26:24 evolux: are you sure it's called libfftw3 on fr? Nov 03 19:26:45 jonkristian: opkg list | grep fftw gives no result on FDOM Nov 03 19:26:56 hm Nov 03 19:27:18 evolux: sorry, not sure then. Nov 03 19:27:40 dinnertime, at last:D Nov 03 19:28:34 i have a file libfftw3-3.control in the toolchain, but I don't know where that's from... Nov 03 19:30:47 hm, there is a package at angstrom-distribution.org Nov 03 19:31:21 nemik: is the battery indicator always going up on qt for you? Nov 03 19:32:00 always going up? what do you mean? Nov 03 19:34:10 nemik: like it's charging Nov 03 19:34:28 nemik: even if usb isn't connected Nov 03 19:34:31 yea, but only when it's charging Nov 03 19:34:35 oh, no. not otherwise Nov 03 19:34:51 hmz Nov 03 19:34:54 maybe if i unplug though it might not stop that animation? i'll try that when i get home Nov 03 19:35:06 should go away if you restart for sure though with the usb disconnected Nov 03 19:35:18 nemik: it works if i unplug now, but last night it continued to indicate charging Nov 03 19:35:24 yeah Nov 03 19:35:28 strange Nov 03 19:35:34 open sores software Nov 03 19:36:03 yeah, also test, if you set the alarm, and set snooze a couple of times, and then turn of snooze, it'll continue to vibrate Nov 03 19:36:11 does someone know anything about openmoko-agpsui2? Nov 03 19:37:36 Hello everybody Nov 03 19:38:29 hi Nov 03 19:38:37 I am flashing to 2008.9 now on a FR straight from the factory. Have backed up everything, should I also flash the uboot? Nov 03 19:39:27 Mwah. Nov 03 19:39:30 No real need. Nov 03 19:40:04 Ok, good. Sounds a bit scary. Nov 03 19:40:53 Not really scary, unless you're flashing your NOR and don't have a debug board :) Nov 03 19:41:52 You can't flash your Nor withour a debug board Nov 03 19:42:08 Which makes it scary if you do. Nov 03 19:42:11 so without a debug board, you're unable to brick your Neo FreeRunner just by flashing Nov 03 19:42:22 openmoko.org has invalid info about symbian openness "A proprietary OS: Symbian is a closed source OS developed by Symbian Ltd," Nov 03 19:42:35 afaik symbian is fully open source now Nov 03 19:42:48 Update the wiki then? Nov 03 19:43:13 ok, that is good then Nov 03 19:43:14 does peer review agree? Nov 03 19:43:14 Hallo Nov 03 19:43:17 :D Nov 03 19:43:22 Hey schat :P Nov 03 19:43:30 hey klootviool :P Nov 03 19:43:36 Hoe hangt t? Nov 03 19:43:39 lol Nov 03 19:43:42 :D Nov 03 19:50:50 dave lamer Nov 03 19:51:14 sounds like that could have been his last name... Nov 03 19:57:26 how's shr, is it usable? Nov 03 20:05:12 TAsnn: if you want test it Nov 03 20:05:30 i actually downloaded it Nov 03 20:05:36 im just thinking whether to flash it Nov 03 20:05:40 or put it on a memory card Nov 03 20:09:24 is there a stopwatch application for the FR? Nov 03 20:21:47 I have just flashed the 2008.9 image, now after booting it uses a long time flashing jffs2 messages over the screen, is this normal? Nov 03 20:22:58 hm? explain? Nov 03 20:23:09 i had that when i flashed a rootfs.tar instead of a rootfs.jffs2... Nov 03 20:23:32 oh, I might have done that.... Nov 03 20:23:34 hehe, yah offcourse :P Nov 03 20:23:49 no worries, flash it again with the right file, ending in .bin Nov 03 20:23:51 shutdown and try again Nov 03 20:26:30 I can use the jffs2 file then? Nov 03 20:27:10 ah ye that one Nov 03 20:28:05 TAsnn: Isn't shr just bare bones? Nov 03 20:28:23 i am now using the rootfs.jffs2 and the ulimage.bin, then it is right? Nov 03 20:28:23 TAsnn: I don't think i'd flash it:) Nov 03 20:28:28 jonkristian: wondering about that too, just read the site and wasn't impressed :) Nov 03 20:28:37 jonkristian, haven't tried yet, though i assume it's the same as 2007.2 Nov 03 20:28:51 Take a look at this, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Nov 03 20:29:01 daramarak: uImage you mean, yes. Nov 03 20:29:05 N/A Should explain alot, hehe Nov 03 20:30:33 nerf, used the ballpoint instead of tip pen again Nov 03 20:34:51 The instance I noticed that there was a ballpoint and a tip pen, I knew I bound to do that mistake. Nov 03 20:36:51 didn't write with the tip-pen yet though :P Nov 03 20:37:05 and i allready emptied the battery after 4 days :P Nov 03 20:37:56 Hehe, I am bound to do that to. Our cat keep chasing the laser around in the livingroom :) Nov 03 20:38:28 Yeah played with the Golden Retrievers of my gf with it :P Nov 03 20:41:58 How do you get your ICCID? Nov 03 20:44:12 Strange booting a jffs went much better than booting a tar.gz... Nov 03 20:46:12 mickeyl: around? Nov 03 20:48:18 Sup3rkiddo: Nov 03 20:48:42 how do I do numbers on the 2008.9 keyboard? Nov 03 20:49:06 dam: turn the phone upside down, that's what teh accelerometers are for. Nov 03 20:49:14 (seriously,...) Nov 03 20:49:26 I think it's an up-stroke from the letter or somethign Nov 03 20:50:01 daramarak: drag thumb vertical Nov 03 20:52:08 * jonkristian wonders if he should flash back to 2007.2 again Nov 03 20:52:32 mickeyl: leaving you a pm. please respond whenever you are back. Nov 03 20:56:08 jonkristian, have you tried illume-config? Nov 03 20:56:21 spydon: yes Nov 03 20:56:44 jonkristian, then you are free to go back ^^ Nov 03 20:57:44 spydon: current status, qt-extended flashed and 2008.9 on sd Nov 03 20:58:17 jonkristian, I see, how are qtopia working these days? :P Nov 03 20:58:19 spydon: I have trouble with gps and wlan on both, so right now im not sure what to do Nov 03 20:58:54 Pretty good, except it doesn't work with gps, bt or wlan, calling/sms works without problems. Nov 03 20:59:01 hehe okay, I have no idea... Hack android into it? ;) Nov 03 20:59:06 :D Nov 03 20:59:16 spydon: what are you running? Nov 03 20:59:24 2008.9 :P Nov 03 20:59:33 spydon: flashed? Nov 03 20:59:44 yes Nov 03 20:59:52 Im thinking about trying Qi, tried it? Nov 03 21:00:07 what is it? :S Nov 03 21:00:14 future bootloader Nov 03 21:00:21 ah yeah I heard of that Nov 03 21:00:35 has someone already tried to plug an umts usb stick into the fr (while usb is on hostmode with 5v power supply mode) .. is the hardware working? (w/o driver, just power and usb?) Nov 03 21:00:45 improved the boottime quite a lot I heard Nov 03 21:00:50 spydon: so it appears Nov 03 21:01:30 spydon: hm, maybe i'll just flash 2008.9 , I got trouble with it after i added the angstrom feed Nov 03 21:02:05 jonkristian, yeah Ive had to reflash a couple of times because of the angstom feed too :P Nov 03 21:02:07 I wanted to try navit, but after adding the feed, running opkg upgrade was using that repo, and now things are borked Nov 03 21:02:13 sucks Nov 03 21:02:20 yeah Nov 03 21:04:39 do you have some kinda sync between the neo and your computer? Nov 03 21:05:18 jonkristian, I only use scp but ive heard that there are some kind of sync app Nov 03 21:06:02 I mean for syncing contacts and sms's and stuff like that Nov 03 21:06:33 ah ok, hmm I don't know... Nov 03 21:07:11 but they should be in a folder or file somewhere too... :P Nov 03 21:08:45 http://www.xs4all.nl/~fambreg/freerunner/fr_usb_kabel.jpg Nov 03 21:09:04 heh Nov 03 21:09:06 nice Nov 03 21:10:03 good one Nov 03 21:10:15 I want to use my bluetooth keyboard sooner or later:) Nov 03 21:14:50 Hm, adressbook is in home root folder, but where do sms's reside? Nov 03 21:15:08 Im reading this, not sure how to backup sms'es, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup Nov 03 21:15:17 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY" rev 0x00 Nov 03 21:15:26 er, wrong button ;) Nov 03 21:16:08 :) Nov 03 21:16:38 jonkristian: I'dlook whether the same db file doesn't have messages too Nov 03 21:16:53 hm Nov 03 21:17:46 viq: ah, it's there, in Applications/qtmail Nov 03 21:17:52 Time to flash:) Nov 03 21:27:09 Ahh, 2008.9 is a great step forward from 2007 Nov 03 21:30:38 Does illume config take a insane amount of time to install? Nov 03 21:32:16 do it from the command line see if it prompts for anything. Nov 03 21:33:10 Is it possible to cancel Nov 03 21:33:31 i dont think it matters it will just timeout. Nov 03 21:34:16 or just killall packagekitd. Nov 03 21:41:32 flashing will remove everything on the phone, right? Nov 03 21:42:16 I don't have to do any preparations like remove stuff beforehand? Nov 03 21:44:57 you shouldn't have to do that if you dont have any separate partitions with stuff or something... Nov 03 21:45:44 I get error Nov 03 21:45:49 No space left on device Nov 03 21:46:04 I have stuff on the sd card Nov 03 21:46:20 that shouldn't matter if you are flashing the phone... Nov 03 21:47:43 hey guys! how do I install Qt ? =) Nov 03 21:47:58 the usual way, with dfu-util? Nov 03 21:49:44 Fougner: yeah, i like neotool Nov 03 21:50:25 jonkristian, thanks again ;D Nov 03 21:50:50 I can use mwester uImage then? Nov 03 21:50:54 for the kernel Nov 03 21:51:09 Fougner: yes you can Nov 03 21:51:17 goodie Nov 03 21:51:27 Fougner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Nov 03 21:51:29 Under Images Nov 03 21:51:40 uhm, so, I guess Qt is the recommended sotware for daily use? Nov 03 21:51:42 A good overview of recommendations Nov 03 21:51:57 Fougner: I'm flasing from qt to 2008.9 at the moment Nov 03 21:52:10 some people trying paroli? I don't get it started Nov 03 21:52:28 I get: EdjeLoadError: Does not exist (file='/home/root/paroli-read-only/data/themes/default/edje/paroli-default.edj', group='paroli_new') Nov 03 21:52:31 I didn't like qt that much Nov 03 21:53:31 cool shr has a cool splash Nov 03 21:53:50 too bad i don't get to see the progress bar, it's too slow ;] Nov 03 21:54:04 it still didn't even move a mm Nov 03 21:54:15 oh, i guess it's not supposed to Nov 03 21:54:15 ;] Nov 03 21:54:22 got beyond that. Nov 03 21:54:51 TAsnn, it's known and will be fixed, but one after one :) Nov 03 21:55:13 hehe ok ;] Nov 03 21:55:14 jonkristian, okay, why? Nov 03 21:56:13 oh btw, what connection is it, for the GPS? Nov 03 21:57:49 Fougner: Well, for one, bt/wlan and gps doesnt work Nov 03 21:57:56 For the second, no cool apps Nov 03 21:58:12 aha, okay Nov 03 21:58:14 For the third, i had no problems calling/sms'ing with 2008.9 Nov 03 21:58:24 well, GPS would come in handy Nov 03 21:58:27 okay.. Nov 03 21:58:29 Yeah Nov 03 21:58:34 maybe I should stay with 8.9 then Nov 03 21:58:51 but what GPS-antenna should I use? Nov 03 21:58:56 I mean connection? =) Nov 03 21:59:17 connection? Nov 03 21:59:33 shit i installed shr and chose minimalist instead of illume ;] Nov 03 21:59:54 jonkristian, MMCX? Nov 03 21:59:56 MCX? Nov 03 21:59:58 i chose to load the illume module from config, just rebooted let's hope everything will boot as expected Nov 03 22:06:45 i wonder', how can i fix it? Nov 03 22:09:29 nvm, just cleaned the home dir. Nov 03 22:14:39 Fougner: not sure what you mean Nov 03 22:15:10 spydon: turned out it was my laptop running out of space, hehehe, phew Nov 03 22:18:28 jonkristian, you know, the GPS-jack, on the phone Nov 03 22:19:04 jonkristian, hehe isnt that like worse then if the freerunner would run out of space? ;) Nov 03 22:20:25 spydon: :D Nov 03 22:20:39 spydon: getting stuffed with all sorts of things in / Nov 03 22:20:50 hehe I c ^^ Nov 03 22:21:00 Since i now run gnome, i found it wise to erase everything related to kde Nov 03 22:21:01 :D Nov 03 22:21:34 hehe smart :P Nov 03 22:21:38 Hm Nov 03 22:22:03 I need some special norwegian characters, like æøå, any ideas if these are available for 2008.9 somewhere? Nov 03 22:25:27 Yeah, I would like to know that too :) Nov 03 22:26:00 daramarak: I found them in the same keyboard on qt-extended Nov 03 22:26:11 but they're gone in 2008.9 Nov 03 22:27:09 daramarak: Where have they gone... Nov 03 22:28:39 When I try to ssh into the FR I get a password challenge in 2008.9, the blank isn't working Nov 03 22:28:47 hm Nov 03 22:38:11 damn, i added gadgets to the illume desktop in shr Nov 03 22:38:14 how can i remove them? Nov 03 22:39:40 Hm, there has to be a way to get the norwegian characters that are shipped with qt-extended over to 2008.9 Nov 03 22:41:21 Does any of the web browser actually work? Nov 03 22:41:38 Have not tested, but they should Nov 03 22:47:16 how do I get the mediaplayer to work in 2008.9 :| Nov 03 22:47:35 or is there a 3rd party alternate player available? =) Nov 03 22:47:45 Gotta run out, friend wanted to play pool and drink, I can't say no to that, can i:D Nov 03 22:49:03 Fougner: just add music to Documents/ Nov 03 22:49:19 Fougner: if you installed it, it should be in the main menu Nov 03 22:53:52 jonkristian, no, I mean, I got an errormessage when I tried to install it before Nov 03 22:56:31 jonkristian, how do I change keyboard layout in 2008.9 ? Nov 03 22:56:39 for example, in the terminal? Nov 03 23:02:49 moo Nov 03 23:02:59 Fougner: opkg install illume config && /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Nov 03 23:03:16 raster: evening Nov 03 23:03:25 That'll get you, for one, a nice querty keyboard. Search for keyboard on teh wiki. Nov 03 23:04:13 Kensan: no morning damnit! :) Nov 03 23:04:27 raster: rise and shine! *heh* Nov 03 23:04:51 raster: btw, Andy put the jffs2-gc patch in stable already. Nov 03 23:04:51 Rise and shine Mister Freeman, rise and shine.. Nov 03 23:04:59 wakie wakie hands off.... your keyboard Nov 03 23:06:16 raster: once your "passion" for git is not so flamboyant anymore, give this a read: http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/ Nov 03 23:06:20 ;) Nov 03 23:06:55 Nice! Nov 03 23:07:00 Thanks Kensy :) Nov 03 23:07:20 wow, Kensy, that's a first. Nov 03 23:07:41 Thats what you get for posting such a cute link! :P Nov 03 23:07:49 * Kensan doesn't like being called girly names Nov 03 23:08:03 Thanks Kensan :) Nov 03 23:08:20 * Kensan waits for Dave's thunder of jokes Nov 03 23:09:33 I guess Dave's kinda asleep. Nov 03 23:10:05 Another hero fallen... Nov 03 23:10:57 maybe he got tired of his FR and bought an Android phone. Nov 03 23:11:14 * Kensan waits for mwester's grand entry Nov 03 23:36:33 hi all Nov 03 23:36:47 I cannot find it anywhere - is there python-pyqt for ASU? Nov 03 23:36:58 or 2008.9 Nov 03 23:37:01 openmoko: 03werner * r4751 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/hif-can-do-async.patch: Nov 03 23:37:01 openmoko: Updated status of sync/async mode. Nov 03 23:37:01 openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: remove obsolete CONFIG_AR6000_GTA02_DIRECT_IRQ Nov 03 23:37:01 openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: we can do sync/async, but it doesn't always help Nov 03 23:39:41 * SpeedEvil ponders GTA03 cases http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Kid-Tough-Digital-Frustration-Free-Packaging/dp/B001BLZ3YA Nov 03 23:44:24 Where can I get a virgin uImage (kernel), uBoot (stable), Uboot-environment? Nov 03 23:44:28 SiNiESTrO: photobot? Nov 03 23:44:37 argh Nov 03 23:44:43 wrong nickname :D Nov 03 23:44:52 SpeedEvil: photobot? or rather pixxotron? Nov 03 23:45:19 Wonka: I was just wondering about one that was designed to be chewed and used to hammer things with. Nov 03 23:58:39 when I try to install openmoko-mediaplayer, I get error "dep-resolution-" Nov 04 00:01:30 Man, fuck cellphones. Nov 04 00:01:54 kinky Nov 04 00:03:43 Dave: fuck cellphone companies Nov 04 00:03:50 networks Nov 04 00:05:08 no, those are cool. just owned by big companies that suck Nov 04 00:05:34 They have to be owned by big companies pretty much due to the inherent physics. Nov 04 00:06:10 ya, but is the suckiness because of physics? Nov 04 00:06:21 No. Nov 04 00:06:32 Just much of the bandwidth problems. Nov 04 00:06:45 And the inherent charging for it. Nov 04 00:07:04 ya, economics might as well be physics Nov 04 00:13:18 I asked about the new G1 at a T-Mobile shop the other day. Nov 04 00:13:48 I've got a G1. The Freerunner is more fun. Nov 04 00:14:59 KenYoung: can you flash stuff onto the g1? Nov 04 00:15:59 The guy told me that if I tried to run my own apps on the G1, the battery life would drop <30minutes and I should buy a crackberry instead. Nov 04 00:16:28 zash, Yes. For example, if you plug it into a linux PC, it looks like a USB drive. Probably works on Windoze too. Nov 04 00:16:29 rawtatoor, SpeedEvil you're both right and wrong at the same time. Nov 04 00:16:32 I wonder if google knows that T-Mobile are pushing crackberry's over their G1? Nov 04 00:16:51 KenYoung: as in, replace the whole os? Nov 04 00:17:05 nice, john Nov 04 00:17:09 johngay, The battery life IS poor. On the other hand, the Freerunner... Nov 04 00:17:17 haha Nov 04 00:17:32 is marginally better, yet lacks usability? :D Nov 04 00:17:47 zash, Oh, I didn't understand your question. I don't see any easy way to replace the OS, but I haven't tried. Nov 04 00:17:50 G1 is thinner than FR and features a sliding keyboard and standard headphone plug, i wish the FR had a sliding keyboard and standard headphone plug Nov 04 00:17:57 not having any geoloc info Nov 04 00:18:01 wrong window Nov 04 00:18:12 YEAH Nov 04 00:18:15 my software is ready Nov 04 00:18:25 fully packaged and multimediaized Nov 04 00:18:41 http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/fourier.html Nov 04 00:19:52 evolux, What is the low frequency cutoff? Nov 04 00:20:10 Cool. Nov 04 00:20:23 nice Nov 04 00:20:32 KenYoung: hm, let me think Nov 04 00:20:35 Oh, nice moon maps, by the way, Ken. :) Nov 04 00:21:02 Dave, Thanks! Send suggestions for new features, please. Nov 04 00:21:37 I heard the G1 will only run signed stuff? Nov 04 00:22:12 Oh, my. Nov 04 00:22:15 HILARIOUS Nov 04 00:22:24 KenYoung: the standard setting does 512 samples for each "frame" at 44100 hertz and 16 bit Nov 04 00:22:28 If you need assistance with your wireless sink, please press 1 now. Nov 04 00:23:08 evolux, But I was wondering more about the low frequency end. Nov 04 00:24:11 evolux, Can it detect below 10 Hz? Nov 04 00:24:21 hah Nov 04 00:24:50 KenYoung: hm, i don't think so Nov 04 00:25:16 I guess for really low frequencies, the accelerometers would be better. Ever thought of allowing them to be sampled as an option? Nov 04 00:25:20 KenYoung: perhaps by increasing the number of samples Nov 04 00:25:40 KenYoung: the accels are 8 bit +-2G Nov 04 00:25:52 hahaha Nov 04 00:25:56 So 64 counts/G Nov 04 00:26:07 Still it could be need to see the spectrum of vibrations below audio. Nov 04 00:26:07 I wonder how much it would cost to start my own wireless provider. Nov 04 00:26:34 Dave: $30 Nov 04 00:26:35 I figure it'd be fairly simple. Nov 04 00:27:07 http://www.fon.com/en/ Nov 04 00:28:05 KenYoung: with a sample size of about 2205, you could get to 10 hertz, but i don't know if the microphone is good enough for these frequencies Nov 04 00:28:26 KenYoung: what are you planning to do? Nov 04 00:29:09 evolux, But the accelerometers would work there. I don't have an immediate need, but there have been many times I've wanted something like that when looking at telescope drive systems. Nov 04 00:29:24 Speedevil, yeah, cool, but that's not what I had in mind. Nov 04 00:32:44 Dave: 'fairly simple' :)) Nov 04 00:33:20 sonar Nov 04 00:33:28 uggh Nov 04 00:33:49 In other news, I don't believe that there is one good phone available for use within in the united states. Nov 04 00:34:05 have the speaker make a click and the mic record the timings Nov 04 00:34:25 Dave, What do you want, that isn't available? Nov 04 00:34:32 think that could work? Nov 04 00:34:41 * mwester_ is quite happy with the treo 650 Nov 04 00:34:51 Hey mwester! Nov 04 00:35:29 I'd say I'm getting about an extra hour with your kernel and gtk+ patches (-; Nov 04 00:36:26 So, any constructive ideas other than sonar? Nov 04 00:36:29 :P Nov 04 00:37:57 no thatd probably be a waste of time Nov 04 00:38:49 i havent seen a WSOD lately Nov 04 00:40:03 * mwester_ wants one. Nov 04 00:40:31 can someone tell me the name of the accelerometer kernel module? or is it possible to deactive them? i don't get any data from /dev/input/event2 Nov 04 00:41:31 /sys/class? Nov 04 00:41:40 somewheres in the sysfs Nov 04 00:41:59 hm Nov 04 00:42:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs Nov 04 00:43:22 was there a reference at some stage for gossamer threads being used to access the mailing lists? Nov 04 00:43:33 lis302dl Nov 04 00:45:56 mwester_: was that for me? Nov 04 00:46:15 nope, accelerometers Nov 04 00:46:39 evolux wanted to know... Nov 04 00:46:45 I wonder if 4mil is enough to start... Nov 04 00:53:27 hm, i can read the dump file, but not /dev/input/event? Nov 04 00:53:37 and the dump file also changes on orientation change Nov 04 00:59:30 strange Nov 04 01:01:26 bah. Nov 04 01:26:27 ljp around? Nov 04 01:26:38 a bit Nov 04 01:27:19 Any chance of a tarball rootfs for qtExt-4.4.2? Nov 04 01:27:49 yes, I will once I updated the rootfs. Nov 04 01:29:28 OK. I really want to try qtExt but I'm not willing to flash yet and I don't have the requisite mods compiled on my box to convert the jffs2 image. Nov 04 01:29:48 I wouldn't bother if I were you :p Nov 04 01:30:39 I'm getting more and more frustrated by 2007.2's slowness and I want to code in qt for my FR. Nov 04 01:31:15 traitor. Nov 04 01:31:43 laen: earlier, he wasn't talking about the qwerty keyboard, he was talking about æøå keys, which are missing, because they are norwegian/danish characters. Nov 04 01:31:55 YES Nov 04 01:32:04 jonkristian =[ Nov 04 01:32:10 Dave: :) Nov 04 01:32:23 but I like qt. Nov 04 01:32:35 needz moar bokmål! Nov 04 01:33:38 Time for bed Nov 04 01:33:53 hade Nov 04 01:33:54 nite jonkristian Nov 04 01:34:07 Good night guys:) Nov 04 01:34:12 Dave: btw, Norsk? Nov 04 01:34:29 ja, snakker Nov 04 01:35:49 møøø Nov 04 01:38:54 A møøse bit my sister once. Nov 04 01:39:14 mynd you, møøse bites can be very painful Nov 04 01:42:58 hah Nov 04 01:43:05 there's a moose loose in the hoose! Nov 04 01:44:13 * mwester_ desperately needs coffee. Nov 04 01:44:49 * johngay turns on the coffee pot Nov 04 01:44:57 Dave: Qt is the future Nov 04 01:45:14 Gosh I hope not. Nov 04 01:45:35 qt is 'a' future. Nov 04 01:45:42 * mwester_ doesn't necessarily like it, but with Android *not* X11, it seems that the future for mobile devices may not include X11... Nov 04 01:45:46 That's fine. Nov 04 01:46:43 well, certainly gtk is not the future Nov 04 01:46:43 Is it possible to build a gtk+ toolkit for Qt? Nov 04 01:46:56 There's a lot of software for gtk Nov 04 01:47:04 X11 is quite big for mobiles anyway. Nov 04 01:47:27 X11 became too big for anything, IMO -- classic case of trying to be all things to all people. :( Nov 04 01:47:53 ljp, how hard would it be to port other GUI tools to use qtExt instead of X? Nov 04 01:48:28 Or is it possible to run a small specialized X server in a QtExtended "window" so that X apps would be fooled into being happy? Nov 04 01:48:33 not sure, surely not a simple task Nov 04 01:48:46 mwester_: xqt Nov 04 01:49:00 did just that, but its stuck in qt2 Nov 04 01:49:33 There is quite a bit of support for other GUI kits. Nov 04 01:51:09 ljp: I *almost* had a working FSO-based rootfs for Qt Extended (needed some hand tweaking, but it's running on my FR now) -- some big FSO changes just got committed so I need to deal with that in order to commit it. Nov 04 01:51:24 ljp: the big problem is the toolchain is turning out to be a nightmare to build correctly. :( Nov 04 01:51:33 bummer Nov 04 01:52:02 I can get it all to work with the old toolchain, but many complaints at runtime about version problems with libstdc++ Nov 04 01:52:21 But the new toolchain has pkg_config problems. Nov 04 01:52:57 Or rather, it and Qt Extended disagree on how pkg_config should be handled, and my pkg_config foo is pretty close to zero. :( Nov 04 01:53:09 Never-the-less, I continue to work on it. :) Nov 04 01:53:29 mwester_: I just stick the libstdc++ in the toolchain on the device :) Nov 04 01:53:45 Oh. Nov 04 01:53:49 :-D Nov 04 01:53:57 That explains a lot! :D Nov 04 01:54:02 qtext expects pkgconf {prefix} to be set correctly Nov 04 01:54:30 In the latest toolchains, sysroot is used so that the {prefix} is always /usr/... Nov 04 01:55:05 And the configure script stuff hardcodes a reference to /usr/bin/pkg_config instead of using the one provided by the toolchain. Nov 04 01:55:36 Anyone tried kubuntu-8.10 with KDE-4 yet> Nov 04 01:55:39 But when I fix that, everything except dbus-1 works -- for some reason it barfs on that dependency. Nov 04 01:59:03 johngay: yes Nov 04 01:59:40 mwester_: sometimes dbus packages put includes in lib/dbus-1/include Nov 04 01:59:57 i hate that Nov 04 02:00:07 Yes, that's where it is in the new toolchain. Nov 04 02:00:15 that so retarded Nov 04 02:00:44 whats next.. putting libs in include/ ? Nov 04 02:00:50 I think I may have broken that in my hacking about with it, to be fair. Nov 04 02:01:16 According to pkg_config it is supposed to be in .../usr/include/dbus-1/... Nov 04 02:05:29 Er, yes, that was my mistake. It's in /usr/include/dbus-1 now, as it should be. So why does configure puke all over, complaining that it cannot find the dbus header files??! Grr. Nov 04 02:28:06 oh god Nov 04 02:28:09 dual core atoms? Nov 04 02:35:53 like helium? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 04 02:59:57 2008