**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 04 02:59:57 2008
Nov 04 03:03:46 <duffyd> hi, I'm trying to flash my neo but it's complaining that there are more than 1 DFU capable devices found
Nov 04 03:03:52 <duffyd> never seen this issue before - any ideas
Nov 04 03:04:11 <duffyd> I mean when I do a --list it does show 2 but this is first time I've seen this kind of behaviour
Nov 04 03:14:43 <mwester> duffyd:  unplug your bluetooth USB device (or turn off bluetooth from the keyboard or switch if it's built in).
Nov 04 03:15:04 <mwester> Or use the args to dfu-util to tell it which one to use.
Nov 04 03:15:16 <duffyd> mwester: cool, that would be it
Nov 04 03:15:20 <duffyd> I was trying to use the args but no dice
Nov 04 03:15:27 <duffyd> so will turn off bluetooth
Nov 04 03:15:30 <duffyd> dang new laptop :)
Nov 04 03:16:15 <duffyd> annoying thing is switch for wifi also controls bt
Nov 04 03:16:36 <duffyd> now that's great usability ;)
Nov 04 03:17:51 <duffyd> mmm how do I find out the vendor:product id
Nov 04 03:20:08 <Dave> gurugentoo :p
Nov 04 03:20:15 <Dave> 8W, apparently
Nov 04 03:51:36 <Dave> So... how about those new MBP's?
Nov 04 03:54:19 <slaxxin> i would bet that when fso 3 arrives a better debian will arrive also
Nov 04 03:54:42 <Dave> heh, slaxin
Nov 04 04:00:38 <duffyd> slaxxin: you using that on the neo or freerunner?
Nov 04 04:09:12 <kdubois> my freerunner has the really dead battery problem. its been charging for a week, and wont turn on :(
Nov 04 04:13:55 <stevenSn> kdubois: Did you try holding down AUX then pressing power?
Nov 04 04:14:49 <kdubois> yeah, but no bones
Nov 04 04:17:05 <Dave> kdubois: the problem is it's not actually charging, as evident by your results :P
Nov 04 04:18:09 <kdubois> right. what can i do if i dont want to get another battery?
Nov 04 04:18:32 <Dave> uhh
Nov 04 04:18:35 <Dave> Unsure! :D
Nov 04 04:18:45 <Dave> Usually I'd just jump-start it using another battery :\
Nov 04 04:19:38 <kdubois> yeah, i wish i could send it back to FIC so they could fix it
Nov 04 04:21:00 <mwester_> Try booting it up into NOR flash (follow the wiki instructions).
Nov 04 04:21:06 <mwester_> That's really your only hope at this point.
Nov 04 04:21:18 <Dave> It sounds like he can't even get to uBoot :\
Nov 04 04:21:26 <mwester_> If it won't do that, then you'll need to get some energy into the battery somehow.
Nov 04 04:21:57 <mwester_> The newer GTA02's will boot from NOR without a battery, and that's enough to get charging started, but the older ones can't do it.
Nov 04 04:22:23 <kdubois> yeah, i actually just discovered that the power strip the charger was plugged into for a week was off.. [doh] and i do have an older one...
Nov 04 04:22:53 <mwester_> A week shouldn't be enough to kill the backup battery for the PMU, though.
Nov 04 04:23:13 <SpeedEvil> mwester-trip: is that a firmware change?
Nov 04 04:23:15 <kdubois> no, before that, it was in my drawer for two months. i was punishing it for breaking
Nov 04 04:23:31 <kdubois> :D
Nov 04 04:23:44 <mwester_> SpeedEvil: I understand that it requires a larger capacitor on the Vsys line, and a newer u-boot -- both are required.
Nov 04 04:23:53 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Nov 04 04:24:02 <mwester_> kdubois: :(
Nov 04 04:24:17 * SpeedEvil holds up a charged 2KV 10uF cap, and screams 'We can repair it!'.
Nov 04 04:24:24 <kdubois> yeah, by breaking i mean, incapable of sending sms. now its really broken
Nov 04 04:24:36 <mwester_> 2KV  -- yeah, well, that'll be interesting anyway :-D
Nov 04 04:24:49 <slaxxin> gosh
Nov 04 04:25:29 <Dave> :D
Nov 04 04:25:51 <slaxxin> wasa
Nov 04 04:26:23 <mwester_> kdubois: you need to find someone with a Nokia phone that takes a BL-5 battery, and see if you can get it to charge your FR battery.  Or borrow the BL-5 to boot the FR to u-boot, and swap battery at that point.
Nov 04 04:26:28 <slaxxin> whats a good battery meter dor debian
Nov 04 04:26:42 <slaxxin> thats hoew
Nov 04 04:26:59 <slaxxin> a gui 1
Nov 04 04:27:09 <Dave> nice typing there, slaxxin :p
Nov 04 04:27:15 <kdubois> mwester_: i will begin the search...
Nov 04 04:27:17 <slaxxin> me hehe
Nov 04 04:27:36 <mwester_> slaxxin is asleep ;)
Nov 04 04:27:38 <slaxxin> even a cave man can
Nov 04 04:27:43 <Dave> haw
Nov 04 04:28:40 <slaxxin> fat fingered left 1 handed jab picking
Nov 04 04:29:54 <slaxxin> i keep notes though so i only ask a question 1 time mostly
Nov 04 04:30:56 <netx> anyone experiencing an bug in om2008.9 where, when the phone has been suspended for a while, when you click the button to unsuspend, it unsuspends but resuspends a few seconds later?
Nov 04 04:31:17 <slaxxin> yup
Nov 04 04:31:19 <netx> but then you click to unsuspend again and it unsuspends correctly
Nov 04 04:31:41 <slaxxin> or if u plug an uplug the charger
Nov 04 04:31:49 <netx> its pretty minor as far as bugs go, but still annoying
Nov 04 04:32:00 <slaxxin> but mine kinda locks up
Nov 04 04:32:27 <netx> yeah, another bug is when i need to charge the phone, i plug it in, nothing happens for a while, so i unplug it and replug it and it begins charging
Nov 04 04:33:05 <netx> re the suspend issue, mine seems to lock up sometimes iff i click the power button as it is resuspending
Nov 04 04:33:16 <netx> so i have learned to wait a few seconds before clikcing it the 2nd time
Nov 04 04:33:45 <netx> all in all though, om2008.9 is quite good though
Nov 04 04:33:59 <mwester_> You might try a newer kernel, and a newer u-boot, but that also may have risks.
Nov 04 04:34:06 <slaxxin> did u build it or fdom
Nov 04 04:34:26 <netx> yeah, i have seen some warnings that updates introduce new bugs, so i am waiting before i upgrade again
Nov 04 04:35:38 <puppe> trying to flash my kernel with this command:  sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ../Desktop/OM/200809/Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.uImage.bin
Nov 04 04:36:06 <puppe> but get this error message: 
Nov 04 04:36:06 <puppe> Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000...
Nov 04 04:36:06 <puppe> Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Nov 04 04:36:06 <puppe> Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
Nov 04 04:36:06 <puppe> dfuERROR, clearing status
Nov 04 04:36:07 <puppe> not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
Nov 04 04:36:07 <SpeedEvil> mwester-trip: can the CMOS battery be damaged by being flattened?
Nov 04 04:36:09 <puppe> Opening USB Device...
Nov 04 04:36:11 <puppe> No such Alternate Setting: "kernel"
Nov 04 04:36:20 <puppe> oh, sorry for that...
Nov 04 04:36:28 <puppe> any idea? help?
Nov 04 04:36:59 <mwester_> SpeedEvil: Good question -- I'm not sure what type of cell it is.  For all I know, it might be completely rechargeable.   Where's doc|home when you need him?
Nov 04 04:37:12 <mwester_> (I suppose the schematics might have the info, too)
Nov 04 04:37:41 <mwester_> puppe: power off the phone, and re-enter NAND flash.
Nov 04 04:37:57 <mwester_> ~pastebin
Nov 04 04:37:58 <apt> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Nov 04 04:37:58 <SpeedEvil> The schematics don't always have exact part numbers.
Nov 04 04:38:07 <raster> like
Nov 04 04:38:14 <mwester_> like?
Nov 04 04:38:15 <SpeedEvil> Of course any at all is good :)
Nov 04 04:38:15 <raster> "put some chip here that does something funky"
Nov 04 04:38:28 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the example.
Nov 04 04:38:33 * raster select his chip-of-funk
Nov 04 04:38:34 <mwester_> "put something here that pretends to be a GSM"
Nov 04 04:38:38 <puppe> Will do. Thanks mwester. Will do that to.
Nov 04 04:38:45 <mwester_> np
Nov 04 04:38:57 <raster> mwester_:  it'd definitely focusing on the "pretends" bit :)
Nov 04 04:39:00 <raster> it's
Nov 04 04:39:01 <raster> :)
Nov 04 04:39:07 <Dave> Raster!
Nov 04 04:39:19 <mwester_> But we can reflash it now.  That's progress. :)
Nov 04 04:39:19 <SpeedEvil> Forex an inductor - 22uH (say) but is it a RF filter, or a power device.
Nov 04 04:39:28 <mwester_> Ah.  
Nov 04 04:39:31 <Dave> 1.21JW?
Nov 04 04:49:14 <slaxxin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Manual_Debian#Sound
Nov 04 04:49:28 <slaxxin> that link needs repair
Nov 04 04:52:39 <doc|home> mwester_: me
Nov 04 04:52:40 <doc|home> ?
Nov 04 05:03:06 <mwester> doc|home:  You're supposed to be asleep!  :D    BTW, I checked the SIMs -- even the brand new one from AT&T works fine for me.
Nov 04 05:03:30 <doc|home> mwester: erm, I have no clue what you're talking about :) I'm in Canada. You must have me mistaken with someone else :)
Nov 04 05:03:31 <mwester> We were wondering if the backup battery for the PMU is rechargeable
Nov 04 05:03:44 <mwester> doc|home:  Ah, perhaps.  
Nov 04 05:03:51 <mwester> Never mind then!
Nov 04 05:03:57 <doc|home> hehe
Nov 04 05:04:02 <mwester> Unless of course you know about the backup battery ;)
Nov 04 05:07:34 <doc|home> yes, I am a master of all things battery backup relate... no, no clue, sorry
Nov 04 05:14:20 <raster> Dave:  dooov!
Nov 04 05:29:36 <puppe> Trying to do opkg update but get this message: Could not obtain administrative lock (even though the # indicates I am running as root, and I have not made any other user either)???
Nov 04 05:31:05 <gurugentoo> puppe: killall packagekitd
Nov 04 05:31:58 <puppe> Thanks guru
Nov 04 05:45:50 <puppe> when doing opkg update (and following with upgrade) I get this: http://paste.debian.net/20622/
Nov 04 05:46:06 <puppe> so I guess something is pretty wrong. Any ideas?
Nov 04 06:30:00 <Sargun> Dear OM, how are you guys doing considering Dash's state?
Nov 04 06:30:40 <swc|666> ?
Nov 04 08:05:55 <Daramarak> Good morning all (it is to me)
Nov 04 08:06:25 <Daramarak> I have problems with the suspend on 2008.9 is there any resolutions to this yet?
Nov 04 08:30:26 <gromgull> Anyone else notice problems with pre-formatted text getting messed up in the wiki? 
Nov 04 08:30:28 <gromgull> like here: 
Nov 04 08:30:34 <gromgull> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Building_a_hello_world_application&curid=2799&diff=58909&oldid=53441
Nov 04 09:01:05 <Daramara`> Anyone here knows about windows networking. Got my FR setup with putty has setup internet sharing with a another connection, but still my FR can only ping itself and the windows computer (192.168.0.202 and 192.168.0.200)
Nov 04 09:02:20 <Hire> because you need to abilitate the ip fowarding
Nov 04 09:03:17 <dns53> check the wiki for how to setup forwarding
Nov 04 09:09:44 <Daramara`> Hire:thanks
Nov 04 10:08:55 <TAsnn> where do the openmoko-3 apps in shr store their data?
Nov 04 10:09:02 <TAsnn> i.e contacts and messages
Nov 04 10:16:36 <jonsmith1982> is there no cpan module for the perl package?
Nov 04 10:21:27 <Daramarak> Do you setup the GPS and get a first fix on 2008.9 in the same way as with 2007?
Nov 04 10:22:22 <laen> Questions questions.. and no answers :P
Nov 04 10:24:34 <Daramarak> Yeah, I have to learn first, answer later.
Nov 04 10:32:05 <dns53> you turn it on and it gets the fix, i also use agpsui to toggle it as that also shows the signal graphs etc
Nov 04 10:33:06 <Daramarak> Ok, apgsui, i'll try that. Thanks. 
Nov 04 10:55:52 <TAsnn> how do i clear the cache in opkg?
Nov 04 10:55:56 <TAsnn> if there even is one
Nov 04 10:57:46 <XorA> cache?
Nov 04 10:58:35 <gromez> where .ipk are downloaded i think
Nov 04 10:59:02 <jonkristian> damn, sd is automounted, that's ok, but i can't umount it
Nov 04 10:59:57 <gromez> jonkristian: kill qpe or something like that
Nov 04 11:00:58 <jonkristian> So yeah, i formatted the sd, and quickly tried to create an fs on it
Nov 04 11:01:10 <jonkristian> It hangs on, Writing inode tables:
Nov 04 11:01:16 <jonkristian> Pretty wicked, huh
Nov 04 11:59:00 <Nobody96> moin
Nov 04 11:59:33 <kd8ikt> inpput output error?
Nov 04 12:15:46 <jonkristian> Can music be added to subfolders under Documents, like, Documents/Music/Artist/Album/*.mp3? I can't seem to find anything atm, with 2008.9 and qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer 
Nov 04 12:22:16 <jonkristian> Hm, media player seems to not work at all for me
Nov 04 12:23:51 <Hire> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
Nov 04 12:24:22 <Hire> image of android on FR is available now
Nov 04 12:24:38 <jonkristian> sweeeeeeet:D
Nov 04 12:24:57 <Shlee> does it have a keyboard ;)
Nov 04 12:25:07 <Shlee> or support the calypso?
Nov 04 12:25:32 <Hire> i don't know
Nov 04 12:25:36 <Hire> if you want you can test it
Nov 04 12:28:21 <jonkristian> Anybody got the qtopia-phone-x11-mediaplayer working on 2008.9 ?
Nov 04 12:32:58 <yabo> Android
Nov 04 12:32:59 <yabo> '
Nov 04 12:33:02 <yabo> how is it?
Nov 04 12:33:36 * [df]_ is about to have a look
Nov 04 12:33:55 <yabo> and how does Android and the freerunner work as a phone?
Nov 04 12:34:12 <yabo> atm im running debian off my sd-card, and qtopia from flash which i use for phone-stuff
Nov 04 12:34:20 <yabo> but im thinking about replacing qtopia with Android
Nov 04 12:34:24 <[df]_> I don't have very high expectations at this stage
Nov 04 12:35:20 <yabo> really?
Nov 04 12:35:41 <jonkristian> replacing qt-extended with 2008.9 was the best descition I've made:)
Nov 04 12:35:57 <yabo> really, jonkristian? why?
Nov 04 12:36:05 <Hire> if you want you can test the testing image
Nov 04 12:36:09 <Hire> it works nice
Nov 04 12:36:24 <Hire> and solved some issue as echo, resolv.conf and others
Nov 04 12:36:48 <jonkristian> yabo: Because I think it's better than qt-extended, nicer interface and it has wlan/gps
Nov 04 12:37:06 <jonkristian> only thing is, i can't seem to get the mediaplayer working
Nov 04 12:37:24 <yabo> how does it work as a phone?
Nov 04 12:37:28 <yabo> calling/messaging
Nov 04 12:37:29 <yabo> and ss
Nov 04 12:37:33 <jonkristian> it works good
Nov 04 12:37:33 <yabo> staying registered with gsm
Nov 04 12:37:38 <jonkristian> yeah, no problems
Nov 04 12:37:48 <yabo> what about echo?
Nov 04 12:37:51 <jonkristian> i've received calls when suspended, messages
Nov 04 12:37:58 <jonkristian> minimla
Nov 04 12:38:01 <jonkristian> minimal*
Nov 04 12:38:08 <jonkristian> At least those I've talked to said so
Nov 04 12:38:36 <yabo> alright
Nov 04 12:39:06 <yabo> last time i tried 2008.9 it was really slow, and the menu was buggy
Nov 04 12:39:32 <jonkristian> It's a little bit slow, but I haven't experienced anything being buggy.
Nov 04 12:39:35 <Shlee> QTextend has massive echo problems..
Nov 04 12:40:22 <Shlee> I doubt you'll be able to do anything with android at this point
Nov 04 12:48:45 <gromez> well, black screen while booting sean mcneil android image
Nov 04 12:50:06 <spydon> does anyone know the blog of that guying porting android to freerunner?
Nov 04 12:50:29 <gromez> http://benno.id.au/blog/ ?
Nov 04 12:50:54 <[df]_> gromez: me too
Nov 04 12:52:08 <Shlee> God speed coders :D
Nov 04 12:53:16 <spydon> gromez, thx, but I think I were on another blog before... :P
Nov 04 12:53:59 <FilipLinux4> gromez: , [df]_ : GTA02 ?
Nov 04 12:54:16 <gromez> FilipLinux4: yes
Nov 04 12:54:29 <gromez> spydon: this one http://perpetual-notion.blogspot.com/search/label/android ?
Nov 04 12:54:49 <spydon> yeah thats the one :P
Nov 04 12:54:51 <spydon> thx
Nov 04 12:55:46 <[df]_> FilipLinux4: yes
Nov 04 13:04:20 <Dave> hei jonkristian :)
Nov 04 13:05:23 <jonkristian> Dave: Heisann
Nov 04 13:05:32 <Tm_T> no hei hei
Nov 04 13:05:50 <Dave> :]
Nov 04 13:09:50 <jonkristian> wow, sound from the fr to a headset is really terrible.
Nov 04 13:15:21 <ernst> hi i flashed fr with android image http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 but i want to boo and i have a black screen 
Nov 04 13:15:40 <ernst> is this brocken ?
Nov 04 13:15:47 <laen> Verry brocken.
Nov 04 13:16:06 <ernst> do you know about android image ?
Nov 04 13:16:20 <dolf1074> I'm booting it now
Nov 04 13:16:42 <ernst> and ?
Nov 04 13:16:53 <dolf1074> black screen :(
Nov 04 13:16:57 <ernst> Fuck
Nov 04 13:17:06 <laen> Hey, calm down there.
Nov 04 13:17:06 <ernst> i 'm booting 10 minutes
Nov 04 13:17:20 <dolf1074> maybe because the images are build for the neo1973
Nov 04 13:17:24 <ernst> but the entry was removed from openmoko.org
Nov 04 13:17:34 <ernst> oh no
Nov 04 13:17:46 <ernst> can i use an old gta02 kernel ?
Nov 04 13:17:52 <ernst> with android support ?
Nov 04 13:18:05 <joerg_42> dolf1074: 1973 is without glamo
Nov 04 13:18:22 <laen> ernst: afaik there is no andriod release for the freerunner yet.
Nov 04 13:18:42 <joerg_42> so display driver is a big difference
Nov 04 13:18:42 <[df]_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 suggests it is a freerunner image
Nov 04 13:19:26 <ernst> hm
Nov 04 13:19:34 <dolf1074> yeah and on many places he says it's for the freerunner. But I only has seen a photo of a neo1973 with the android
Nov 04 13:23:05 <DocScrutinizer> dolf1074: hmm, they are hard to tell apart. MAybe on the device on the photo the frontcover of housing was swapped ;-) ?
Nov 04 13:23:38 <pazante> i have android running on my freerunner
Nov 04 13:24:14 <dolf1074> pazante, did you just flash the uImage and the jffs2 file?
Nov 04 13:24:21 <dolf1074> or did you do more?
Nov 04 13:24:22 <pazante> yes
Nov 04 13:25:05 <pazante> uImage change it so it had .bin
Nov 04 13:25:35 <[df]_> shouldn't make a difference should it?
Nov 04 13:25:35 <dolf1074> I just saw the uImage hadn't .bin as extention
Nov 04 13:25:38 <dolf1074> will try it
Nov 04 13:25:41 <dolf1074> you never now
Nov 04 13:25:58 <pazante> but it dosen't register to my network
Nov 04 13:26:29 <dolf1074> pazante: did you flash it with neotool?
Nov 04 13:26:55 <pazante> no with dfu-util
Nov 04 13:27:21 <dolf1074> will try that now, because it didn't work with just renaming the kernel.
Nov 04 13:27:55 <[df]_> same here - screen goes white for a second then black
Nov 04 13:28:07 <pazante> it takes a while for it to boot
Nov 04 13:28:23 <dolf1074> and the screen stays black?
Nov 04 13:29:35 <pazante> then after some time you see little android icons
Nov 04 13:29:54 <[df]> hmm, I'll try leaving it for longer, but I left it for a while before
Nov 04 13:30:33 <spydon> pazante, is it slow?
Nov 04 13:30:45 <pazante> no pretty fast
Nov 04 13:31:08 <dolf1074> and does sms already work?
Nov 04 13:31:12 <dolf1074> I assume no
Nov 04 13:31:17 <pazante> much faster then the other images
Nov 04 13:32:25 <pazante> i don't think there is a keyboard 
Nov 04 13:32:45 <spydon> nice ^^
Nov 04 13:32:55 <dolf1074> but can you receive sms?
Nov 04 13:33:05 <dolf1074> or calls
Nov 04 13:33:34 <pazante> it dosen't register to my network
Nov 04 13:33:37 <sicu> [20081104-142555] <pazante> but it dosen't register to my network
Nov 04 13:33:42 <sicu> ^^
Nov 04 13:34:25 <dolf1074> Than I wasn't on the channel ^^
Nov 04 13:34:41 <cjb_ie> sicu: your clock is about three seconds slow :-)
Nov 04 13:35:30 <sicu> cjb_ie: damn :p
Nov 04 13:38:54 <pazante> it suspended the phone and i had to remove the battery for it to work again
Nov 04 13:39:12 <emacsian> pazante: same here
Nov 04 13:39:35 <emacsian> but now it won't even boot up,
Nov 04 13:40:08 <pazante> mine boots just fine
Nov 04 13:40:43 <pazante> now it even registered to my network
Nov 04 13:42:03 <emacsian> I removed the battery again, looked like a kernel panic or something, the red light on the AUX button kept on blinking
Nov 04 13:42:06 <emacsian> boots fine now
Nov 04 13:45:04 <laen> emacsian: wish my light blinked :Ö
Nov 04 13:45:15 <laen> emacsian: what kernel are you using if i may ask?
Nov 04 13:45:48 <emacsian> the one from here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3#Images
Nov 04 13:50:49 <sakkara> hm tried  android on nand, works but it says my pin is not working...
Nov 04 13:51:06 <sakkara> and now my qt image on sd doesnt boot anymore --> kernel panic
Nov 04 13:51:13 <sakkara> =(
Nov 04 13:51:41 <[df]> is it possible android doesn't like the fact that there's no sim in my fr?
Nov 04 13:52:31 <ernst> what can i do to make my freerunner happy with android
Nov 04 13:52:42 <laen> Paint it happy colors :P
Nov 04 13:52:48 <dolf1074> cry like me
Nov 04 13:53:20 * [df] cries
Nov 04 13:53:27 <laen> lol
Nov 04 13:54:18 <[df]> what's the hardware release date for those of you that have it working?  mine's 20080722
Nov 04 13:58:41 <sakkara> [df]:  whats your problem?
Nov 04 13:58:52 <dolf1074> cannot boot android
Nov 04 13:59:46 <sakkara> what does it make instead?
Nov 04 14:00:01 <dolf1074> the screen stays black for ethernity
Nov 04 14:00:11 <sakkara> i also thought that, and wanted to remove bat, but after a while it booted...
Nov 04 14:00:57 <dolf1074> I will complain again in another 10 minutes :p
Nov 04 14:01:54 <Hire> argh
Nov 04 14:02:02 <Hire> my fr doesn't boot android 
Nov 04 14:02:10 <Hire> the screen is always black
Nov 04 14:02:17 <dolf1074> for how many minutes now?
Nov 04 14:03:27 <Dave> Good.
Nov 04 14:03:33 <Dave> It means you shouldn't be using it :P
Nov 04 14:04:30 <Hire> me?
Nov 04 14:04:32 <Hire> always
Nov 04 14:04:35 <Dave> huhu
Nov 04 14:04:39 <Hire> how much time I need to wait?
Nov 04 14:05:32 <Kensan_> Hire: maybe you can ping Bricode once he is on again.
Nov 04 14:05:32 <Dave> Until it's finished downloading all your personal information ^^
Nov 04 14:05:36 <FilipLinux4> android working/not working: are you connected torugh USB or charger ?
Nov 04 14:05:40 <Kensan_> Hi Dave
Nov 04 14:05:45 <FilipLinux4> using nor or nand boot ?
Nov 04 14:05:46 <Dave> Hail
Nov 04 14:06:05 * Hire pings bricode
Nov 04 14:06:17 <dolf1074> FilipLinux4: not connected to usb or charger | using nand boot
Nov 04 14:06:22 <Hire> but... isn't he in vacation?
Nov 04 14:06:29 <Dave> hah
Nov 04 14:07:49 <Kensan_> Hire: don't know. You could always post to the community or devel list i guess.
Nov 04 14:07:54 <TAsnn> hey, what's the correct wpa driver to choose in wifi-radar?
Nov 04 14:08:29 <FilipLinux4> dolf1074: maybe it enters suspend before finishing boot ? might try connecting it to power 
Nov 04 14:09:00 <dolf1074> trying...
Nov 04 14:09:34 <sakkara> ok guys, android not booting without sim and sd for me...
Nov 04 14:09:40 <sakkara> with it does
Nov 04 14:09:41 <Hire> <Kensan_>: i just do it :D
Nov 04 14:10:06 <dolf1074> sakkara: I have a sim and sd inserted
Nov 04 14:10:18 <Dave> What's an android? :P
Nov 04 14:10:53 <Kensan_> Dave: ask mwester
Nov 04 14:10:56 <Kensan_> ;)
Nov 04 14:11:08 <sakkara> dolf1074: hm sorry for you...
Nov 04 14:11:20 <[df]> hmm, I'll trying putting a sim in
Nov 04 14:11:29 * Hire slaps Dave for fun
Nov 04 14:11:45 <Fougner> hey guys!
Nov 04 14:11:47 <XorA> ~fish Dave
Nov 04 14:11:48 * apt slaps Dave around with a large trout
Nov 04 14:12:47 <ernst> whats about milestone 4 from fso ?
Nov 04 14:12:51 <toggles_w> oh yeah, that sounds like fun
Nov 04 14:15:09 <Kensan_> Hey XorA
Nov 04 14:16:43 <Kensan_> XorA: when you were working on boottime optimization, did you give upstart a try?
Nov 04 14:17:44 <XorA> Kensan_: I never made the system boot with upstart, with some of my checking I determined we had maxed out anyway so running parrallel tasks didnt help
Nov 04 14:19:05 <Kensan_> XorA: ah ok. My stripped down illume-image boots in ~47secs currently but kernel+uboot take about 20 secs alone... did you take a look at booloader/kernel?
Nov 04 14:19:09 <Dave> Xora!
Nov 04 14:19:36 <XorA> Kensan_: no, I looked only at userspace
Nov 04 14:19:51 <sakkara> @android testers: booting borks qt fs on sdcard, but with fsck it can be fixed
Nov 04 14:19:52 <Kensan_> XorA: ok thanks.
Nov 04 14:20:24 <[df]> adding a sim doesn't seem to have helped
Nov 04 14:20:39 <XorA> Kensan_: the general opinion seemed to be stop booting the phone like a desktop
Nov 04 14:20:41 <[df]> I have (or had?) debian installed on the sd, will that be affected?
Nov 04 14:21:09 <gromez> i've updating u-boot and it still doesn't boot
Nov 04 14:22:13 <sakkara> [df]:  maybe, try booting debian, if there is no problem it should be ok
Nov 04 14:22:49 <sakkara> i got kernel panic when booting qtex after android...
Nov 04 14:22:56 <Kensan_> XorA: ic. Do you happen to know what the OM people working on fastboot are currently looking at? If they are working on init I might move on and take a closer look at the kernel.
Nov 04 14:23:33 <XorA> Kensan_: no, they are hidden inside .tw office
Nov 04 14:23:36 <sakkara> i think android doesnt unmount sd on shutdown
Nov 04 14:23:52 <Kensan_> XorA: hehe ok.
Nov 04 14:25:32 <[df]> ah, debian's running a fsck during boot because it wasn't cleanly unmounted
Nov 04 14:27:01 <[df]> and is fine now
Nov 04 14:27:05 <[df]> no luck with android though :(
Nov 04 14:27:26 <[df]> does it have a serial console?
Nov 04 14:30:05 <Fougner> how can I adjust the sound output to use usual headphones? =)
Nov 04 14:31:49 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Nov 04 14:32:03 <SpeedEvil> Diddn't realise that WPA/WPA2 is looking weak.
Nov 04 14:32:25 <cjb_ie> meh. WEP for the win, and put everything through an ssh tunnel
Nov 04 14:33:20 <SpeedEvil> Not through algorithmic weaknesses so much.
Nov 04 14:33:40 <SpeedEvil> Just sheer brute force of modern graphics cards giving 100* boost over CPUs.
Nov 04 14:33:58 <mwester> Interesting attack approach.
Nov 04 14:34:09 <sakkara> yeah, but 100% boost is still very low for cracking wpa...
Nov 04 14:34:14 <SpeedEvil> 100*
Nov 04 14:34:37 <sakkara> hm, i heard of 100%-400%
Nov 04 14:34:38 <mwester> Well, when you consider that a dictionary-based attack is quite adequate for the typcial home router...
Nov 04 14:34:44 <Dave> :D
Nov 04 14:34:55 <Dave> Mmm... dictionaries
Nov 04 14:35:50 <mwester> I think someone did a study once on the number of PIN codes that are the last 4 digits of either phone number, street address, or social security number... it was frightening.
Nov 04 14:36:06 <mwester> I suspect the WPA keys are no different, just longer.
Nov 04 14:36:42 <Fougner> can someone recommend a simple working mediaplayer? :)
Nov 04 14:36:48 <SpeedEvil> 'The 100-fold increase in speed is achieved with two GeForct GTX280s per workstation; for 599 you can build a network of 20 workstations dedicated to recovering your lost WPA keys. This means that a WPA or WPA2 key could be cracked in days or weeks instead of years.'
Nov 04 14:36:58 <sakkara> yeah, but if i am on the street, and found a wpa network, i dont know the person...
Nov 04 14:37:14 <Dave> Virus.
Nov 04 14:37:36 <SpeedEvil> Dynamic keys of course aren't directly vulnerable.
Nov 04 14:37:36 <CVirus> Dave: 
Nov 04 14:37:36 <Dave> Mwester, so, how about that Android, huh? :p
Nov 04 14:37:42 <SpeedEvil> But you can of course record.
Nov 04 14:37:53 <toggles_w> Dave: !
Nov 04 14:38:16 <Dave> Toggles
Nov 04 14:38:30 <toggles_w> enuff with the android!
Nov 04 14:38:34 <sakkara> hm, i think there will be better algorithm to crack wpa in hours^^
Nov 04 14:39:03 <SpeedEvil> sakkara: The recent speedups have _not_ been due to algorithmic weaknesses.
Nov 04 14:39:15 <zogg_> heya
Nov 04 14:39:18 <SpeedEvil> sakkara: simply throwing 10000* the computer power at the problem.
Nov 04 14:39:32 <Dave> heh, yeh
Nov 04 14:39:44 <sakkara> SpeedEvil: yes, i know, but there will be better algorithm for using gpus
Nov 04 14:39:47 <zogg_> Where does qpe store sms and contacts? (2008.9)
Nov 04 14:41:29 <TAsnn> same question like zogg_ just about shr ;]
Nov 04 14:43:28 <Hire> shr doesnt't store contacts and sms for now
Nov 04 14:44:41 <ernst> whats about ms4 ?
Nov 04 14:55:59 <zogg_> theres no lsof either
Nov 04 14:56:00 <zogg_> :<
Nov 04 14:56:20 <toggles_w> mwester: my android doesn't boot, what did i do wrong?
Nov 04 14:56:26 * toggles_w ducks
Nov 04 15:00:20 <balrog-k1n> your android has the head screwed the wrong way
Nov 04 15:05:53 <dolf1074> toggles_w: have you a formatted sd in your freerunner?
Nov 04 15:07:56 <toggles_w> dolf1074: i do, but ive tried with, withought sim and sd
Nov 04 15:08:26 <dolf1074> I have the same problem
Nov 04 15:08:44 <dolf1074> android doesn't want to start whatever i do
Nov 04 15:08:46 <toggles_w> just a black screen? 
Nov 04 15:08:55 <dolf1074> yes
Nov 04 15:08:59 <KaZeR> i've just gave it a try here, and it works. i get a black screen for 1-2 min, then it starts
Nov 04 15:09:09 <leinir> KaZeR: Which SD do you have in it?
Nov 04 15:09:17 <toggles_w> i've left mine for 5 min easy
Nov 04 15:09:21 <KaZeR> 4gb, with 2 partitions
Nov 04 15:09:30 <leinir> Hmm... vfat or ext2/3?
Nov 04 15:09:35 <KaZeR> one of each
Nov 04 15:09:40 <leinir> first one?
Nov 04 15:09:45 <KaZeR> (i have FDOM on the uSD)
Nov 04 15:09:52 <KaZeR> vfat first, then ext3
Nov 04 15:09:59 <Daramarak> My pc cannot detect my FR (2008.9) as a bluetooth device, is this normal? 
Nov 04 15:10:08 <KaZeR> hang on, i'm changing my sim card, i'll also remove the usd
Nov 04 15:10:12 <leinir> right... i'm pondering what happens with ext2/3 as first partition on the sd
Nov 04 15:10:13 <balrog-k1n> i have just some USD
Nov 04 15:10:37 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: it's just a bluetooth device
Nov 04 15:10:47 <balrog-k1n> how long does the android take to boot on the HTC phone?
Nov 04 15:10:54 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: it's exactly the same - logically - as a bluetooth USB device plugged into your desktop
Nov 04 15:11:18 <Daramarak> SpeedEvil, no, I was unclear. It cannot find any device
Nov 04 15:11:44 <Daramarak> Even though I have turned bt ON on the settings in my FR
Nov 04 15:12:05 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: no - I mean - the bluetooth device is a generic device. It can do anything a bluetooth device plugged into your PC can.
Nov 04 15:12:24 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: however, you have to configure it on the FR end.
Nov 04 15:12:53 <SpeedEvil> I don't think the default 'on' does that on any distribution.
Nov 04 15:13:15 <Daramarak> SpeedEvil: Ill have to do some configurations first?
Nov 04 15:13:57 <dolf1074> I'm wondering what I do wrong. With/without sd. With/without sim. With/without charger. Nand/Nor boot. It wont work
Nov 04 15:14:20 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: what do you expect this bluetooth device to be?
Nov 04 15:14:36 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: a GPS, an audio device, a mouse?
Nov 04 15:14:46 <SpeedEvil> Daramarak: it can in principle be any of these.
Nov 04 15:14:55 <Daramarak> SpeedEvil, I was trying to connect to the FR, as a network device
Nov 04 15:15:37 <SpeedEvil> search the wiki for bnep
Nov 04 15:15:39 <jonkristian> Is the default device called Bluez ?
Nov 04 15:15:45 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if it'll be up-to-date
Nov 04 15:15:56 <dolf1074> toggles_w: is your u-boot updated to the lastest?
Nov 04 15:16:09 <toggles_w> dolf1074: nope, you think it needs to be?
Nov 04 15:16:15 <dolf1074> the mine is
Nov 04 15:16:15 <SpeedEvil> bluez is the software that handles the bluttooe
Nov 04 15:16:21 <dolf1074> but it doesn't work
Nov 04 15:16:30 <toggles_w> hmm...
Nov 04 15:17:00 <VDVsx> KaZeR, which u-boot do you have ?
Nov 04 15:17:07 <jonkristian> yesh, ofcourse, I was reffering to the naming of the device itself.
Nov 04 15:18:09 <Fougner> jonkristian, my hero!
Nov 04 15:18:31 <Fougner> do you know how to change sound output to headphones? =D
Nov 04 15:18:33 <KaZeR> VDVsx, good question :)
Nov 04 15:18:44 <KaZeR> VDVsx, without usd card it doesn't boot
Nov 04 15:19:11 <Fougner> Hold Aux and then press and hold powerbutton? =)
Nov 04 15:19:15 <dolf1074> KaZeR: can you tell us what partition you have on the usd card?
Nov 04 15:19:15 <VDVsx> KaZeR, are you boting normally or from nand ?
Nov 04 15:19:16 <FilipLinux4> can anyone with a working android on FR do a 'mount' to see which partitions get mounted ?
Nov 04 15:19:54 <KaZeR> uboot 1.3.2-moko12 may 9 2008 10:28:48
Nov 04 15:20:03 <jonkristian> Fougner: :D w000t
Nov 04 15:20:07 <SpeedEvil> jonsmith1982: I'd answer that, but my OM is currently under teh floor, and I have to unscrew the floor to get at it.
Nov 04 15:20:31 <jonkristian> Fougner: first, are you getting sound at all? second, if you are, just run alsamixer and change it.
Nov 04 15:20:36 <KaZeR> /dev/sdb1               1         245        7832    b  W95 FAT32
Nov 04 15:20:36 <KaZeR> /dev/sdb2             246      124880     3988320   83  Linux
Nov 04 15:20:44 <Fougner> alsamixer in the terminal then?
Nov 04 15:20:47 <VDVsx> KaZeR, humm, so the problem is related to the usd card :S
Nov 04 15:20:56 <jonkristian> Fougner: yesh
Nov 04 15:20:57 <sicu_> SpeedEvil: you're actually using it as a brick then ?
Nov 04 15:21:07 <KaZeR> VDVsx, booting normally, flashed as i did with other distros
Nov 04 15:21:19 <Fougner> I've tried it this morning, but it sounds awful in that small speaker
Nov 04 15:21:24 <SpeedEvil> sitwon: unfortunate accident where it slid down inside the wall.
Nov 04 15:21:46 <sicu_> SpeedEvil: heh, unlucky ;p
Nov 04 15:21:50 <Fougner> jonkristian, how can I change it in alsamixer? :S
Nov 04 15:21:55 <jonkristian> Fougner: sound is awfull in the headset too, at least for me
Nov 04 15:22:12 <jonkristian> Probably the worst sound I've heard in my entire lifetime
Nov 04 15:22:26 <jonkristian> which is approx. 25 years
Nov 04 15:22:50 <Fougner> oh.. you have outstanding memory then =)
Nov 04 15:23:57 <Fougner> but, alsamixer [-h] [-c <card: 0...7>]  doesn't make any sense to me..
Nov 04 15:24:37 <jonkristian> Fougner: just run alsamixer, not sure if it can be runned from the terminal on the phone though
Nov 04 15:25:24 <jonkristian> after you've made adjustments, just run alsactl store to save them
Nov 04 15:25:35 <Fougner> aaaaaaahaaaaa
Nov 04 15:27:33 <Daramarak> Fougner/jonkristian: After lowering the volume by 95% the sound of my FR was ok, my only problem was that I only had sound on one speaker.
Nov 04 15:28:02 <KaZeR> VDVsx,  i've noticed something else : with SD, new sim : didn't boot. then i plugged the usb cable, and it booted
Nov 04 15:28:09 <jonkristian> Daramarak: on the headphones?
Nov 04 15:28:13 <KaZeR> (it was plugged in my first attempt when it booted)
Nov 04 15:28:34 <Fougner> Daramarak, what option do I have to change to get the headphone(s) working? =P
Nov 04 15:28:52 <Daramarak> I just plugged them in, and it worked
Nov 04 15:29:27 <jonkristian> you might have to switch state file by hand, at least i had to, using 2008.9
Nov 04 15:29:32 <Daramarak> And it was the sound on the headphones I was talkning about that was ok.
Nov 04 15:30:02 <Fougner> <Headphon> 95<>95
Nov 04 15:30:12 <Fougner> jonkristian, where ? =)
Nov 04 15:30:14 <jonkristian> Daramarak: hm, strange
Nov 04 15:30:47 <Daramarak> I haven't had any problems with using the headphones for sound on 2007 or 2008
Nov 04 15:30:55 <jonkristian> hmx
Nov 04 15:30:57 <jonkristian> hmz
Nov 04 15:31:14 <Fougner> which medaplayer? =)
Nov 04 15:31:16 <Fougner> media*
Nov 04 15:31:26 <jonkristian> Daramarak: pcm then?
Nov 04 15:31:29 <jonkristian> what level?
Nov 04 15:31:36 <Daramarak> QTopia one, and while receiving calls
Nov 04 15:33:07 <Fougner> ah.. qtopia..
Nov 04 15:33:09 <Fougner> xD
Nov 04 15:33:20 <KaZeR> VDVsx, no usd, usb cable : black screen
Nov 04 15:33:56 <VDVsx> KaZeR, I got the same
Nov 04 15:34:02 <Pietrao> hi guys!
Nov 04 15:34:15 <VDVsx> KaZeR, but mine don't work with sd card also :(
Nov 04 15:34:34 <beniwtv> VDVsx: Android?
Nov 04 15:34:46 <Pietrao> someone know how to make android booting on flash?
Nov 04 15:34:50 <mokolade> yeah! after 2 hours of trying Android booted on my FreeRunner :) 
Nov 04 15:35:02 <Pietrao> may it be a problem of uboot?
Nov 04 15:35:09 <Hire> mokolade: how?
Nov 04 15:35:10 <beniwtv> mokolade: What did you do? (please please please) :P
Nov 04 15:35:48 <mokolade> made an vfat and ext3 partition on my SD card, it did't work with ext2
Nov 04 15:36:06 <Hire> and without sd card you can boot?
Nov 04 15:36:11 <mokolade> no
Nov 04 15:36:20 <Hire> oh i see
Nov 04 15:36:31 <Hire> thx, now I will try :)
Nov 04 15:36:36 <jonkristian> paranoid android maybe?
Nov 04 15:36:36 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 04 15:36:59 <mokolade> mye mulig
Nov 04 15:37:14 <beniwtv> mokolade: do you think the size matters? I use a 2GB card, and it doesn't seem to work (I'm going to check if it's not acccidentally ext3...)
Nov 04 15:37:55 <Pietrao> but are you trying to booy from sd or flash?
Nov 04 15:37:55 <mokolade> i used a 1GB card with a 8MB vfat partition and the rest for a ext3 partition
Nov 04 15:38:04 <mokolade> from flash
Nov 04 15:38:11 <Pietrao> mm
Nov 04 15:38:15 <dolf1074> and you didn't put anything on the partitions?
Nov 04 15:38:45 <Pietrao> so i should have the sd on the freerunner to boot android form flash?
Nov 04 15:38:48 <mokolade> got an Om2008.9  uImage on the vfat and nothing on the ext3
Nov 04 15:38:49 <johnsu01> there's no virtual keyboard for android though, is there?
Nov 04 15:38:53 <beniwtv> Pietrao: flash as well...
Nov 04 15:39:00 <awwaiid> Greetings
Nov 04 15:39:34 <dolf1074> johnsu01: no
Nov 04 15:39:41 <awwaiid> I've been disatisfied with the audio output quality on the freerunner. Has anyone played with a USB soundcard or have a guess as to whether it would work?
Nov 04 15:40:40 <mokolade> I see android makes some directorys and files on the ext3 partition
Nov 04 15:40:54 <Pietrao> sorry but i haven't understood
Nov 04 15:40:57 <mokolade> so maybe it just neds an ext3 partition to work on
Nov 04 15:41:10 <VDVsx> beniwtv, yup
Nov 04 15:41:31 <Pietrao> must i have the sd with an ext3 partition to bott android?
Nov 04 15:41:41 <beniwtv> mokolade: It's ext2 what I have, going to try ext3 now...
Nov 04 15:42:03 <mokolade> Pietrao.. it seems so
Nov 04 15:42:09 <Pietrao> ok thanks
Nov 04 15:44:41 <netx> ext3 on a microsd carD?
Nov 04 15:45:34 <beniwtv> Everyone: Got the boot logo now!
Nov 04 15:45:36 <beniwtv> :)
Nov 04 15:45:40 <dolf1074> me to
Nov 04 15:45:44 <dolf1074> :)
Nov 04 15:45:45 <beniwtv> netx: yup
Nov 04 15:45:46 <mokolade> ;)
Nov 04 15:45:53 <netx> isn't that a bad idea?
Nov 04 15:46:14 <dolf1074> So you need a sim, a sdcard (with fat32 and ext3 partition) and it will work
Nov 04 15:46:20 <toggles_w> beniwtv: just one ext3 or do you have vfat too?
Nov 04 15:46:26 <beniwtv> netx: It depends on how much Android uses the SD card... Let's see...
Nov 04 15:46:49 <beniwtv> toggles_w: vfat of roughly 8MB as the first, then ext3 the rest
Nov 04 15:47:01 <toggles_w> you think it needs vfat?
Nov 04 15:47:07 <toggles_w> n
Nov 04 15:47:07 <beniwtv> Takes a minute or so to show the logo, tough
Nov 04 15:47:44 <toggles_w> i'm going to try without
Nov 04 15:48:02 <mwester> Why vfat?  SD cards do wear-levelling, so there's no reason not to use a proper filesystem on them.
Nov 04 15:51:44 <toggles_w> mwester: hands off my android or i'll tell dave!
Nov 04 15:51:57 <beniwtv> dolf1074: success booting completely yet? :-/
Nov 04 15:52:03 <dolf1074> yes
Nov 04 15:52:30 <beniwtv> damn... it gets stuck on mine... How long did it take?
Nov 04 15:53:35 <dolf1074> a minute or two
Nov 04 15:53:42 <dolf1074> do you have the 2 partitions?
Nov 04 15:54:03 <sylar> hi, I booted successfully android but now It doesn't run anymore (I simply changed the partitions on my sd)
Nov 04 15:54:07 <beniwtv> yes... I get the boot logo, then it just sits there....
Nov 04 15:54:18 <KaZeR> note : mine boots, but cuts after a few seconds : it seems that the battery level matters
Nov 04 15:54:22 <leinir> sylar: Whatwere they before?
Nov 04 15:54:32 <KaZeR> (cuts once in android for my last test)
Nov 04 15:54:39 <toggles_w> sylar: ..and now
Nov 04 15:54:45 <desowin_> dolf1074: I just formatted both fat and ext3 partitions on my sd (2gb) and I have android boot logo now (before I had blank screen)
Nov 04 15:55:01 <dolf1074> and it doesn't go further?
Nov 04 15:55:16 <dolf1074> maybe try putting some kernel at the fat partition
Nov 04 15:55:24 <sylar> before I had 2 partitions, one of 35 mega ca (fat32) and the other of 490 ca (ext3) and now one of 512 (fat32)
Nov 04 15:55:32 <desowin_> it booted :-)
Nov 04 15:55:37 <toggles_w> sylar: it seems you need ext3
Nov 04 15:55:47 <Hire> i have do a far part big 50 mb
Nov 04 15:55:52 <Hire> is it too tiny?
Nov 04 15:55:57 <Hire> i don't have get a logo yet
Nov 04 15:55:59 <toggles_w> 09:41 < Pietrao> must i have the sd with an ext3 partition to bott android?
Nov 04 15:55:59 <toggles_w> 09:41 < beniwtv> mokolade: It's ext2 what I have, going to try ext3 now...
Nov 04 15:55:59 <toggles_w> 09:42 < mokolade> Pietrao.. it seems so
Nov 04 15:56:18 <beniwtv> har.... ok, red led flashing, kernel panic...
Nov 04 15:56:24 <sylar> thanks....
Nov 04 15:56:26 <beniwtv> :-/
Nov 04 15:56:34 <desowin_> it mounts ext3, atleast I can see the size of ext3 partition in the available space on sd card
Nov 04 15:56:41 <desowin_> (empty partition here)
Nov 04 15:57:03 <mokolade> my android ONLY works if there is one vfat partition and one ext3...
Nov 04 15:57:14 <Hire> argh
Nov 04 15:57:14 <sylar> but.... it isn't possible that!! because when it runs I used the first partition (fat32) and it runs well
Nov 04 15:57:22 <Hire> it doesn't boot !!!
Nov 04 15:57:27 <Hire> always black screen
Nov 04 15:57:50 <FilipLinux4> hire: only 1 partition on uSD ? or both fat & ext3 ?
Nov 04 15:57:51 <beniwtv> anoyone other than me got a kernel panic?
Nov 04 15:58:30 <Hire> both partition
Nov 04 15:58:37 <Hire> fat32 and ext3
Nov 04 15:58:43 <mokolade> i have 1. partition with 8MB vfat and 2. partition  with ext3, all EMPTY to start with
Nov 04 15:58:55 <Hire> 8 mb?
Nov 04 15:59:08 <Hire> i have a 50 mb fat32
Nov 04 15:59:16 <Hire> and 3g+ ext3
Nov 04 15:59:30 <Hire> ALL empty
Nov 04 16:00:09 <FilipLinux4> hire: SDHC 4GB uSD... haven't got a smaller one around ?
Nov 04 16:00:16 <mokolade> hmm
Nov 04 16:00:35 <toggles_w> it does not appear to boot with just an ext3 partition
Nov 04 16:01:03 <Pietrao> how much should the vfat partition big?
Nov 04 16:01:05 <mokolade> no, it seems it needs a fat partition too
Nov 04 16:01:12 <Hire> a much smaller?
Nov 04 16:01:12 <mokolade> mine is 8GB
Nov 04 16:01:14 <Hire> mmm... yes
Nov 04 16:01:16 <mokolade> MB
Nov 04 16:01:17 <mokolade> !
Nov 04 16:01:31 * toggles_w must reload fdom and reformat... 
Nov 04 16:01:32 <desowin_> 8MB here
Nov 04 16:02:05 <Pietrao> ok, so i make: partition 1 vfat 8Mb, partition 2 ext3.
Nov 04 16:02:19 <mokolade> yes
Nov 04 16:02:26 <Pietrao> ok
Nov 04 16:02:35 <beniwtv> Pietrao: yeah, it seems it looks for the second partition...
Nov 04 16:02:49 <mokolade> true
Nov 04 16:03:10 <mokolade> and it makes a lot of files and directorys on the second ext3 partition
Nov 04 16:03:17 <Pietrao> i've just made the first partition fat32 30 Mb and didn't boot
Nov 04 16:07:26 <sylar> for me it runs with a 512 sd card with the first fat32 partition of half sd and the sencond ext3 of the other halt
Nov 04 16:07:29 <sylar> *half
Nov 04 16:07:48 <mokolade> I set the first partition to type 6 (FAT16) 8MB, and do a mkfs.vfat on it
Nov 04 16:07:58 <beniwtv> sylar: Did you get a kernel panic otherwise?
Nov 04 16:08:09 <mokolade> an the second partition to type 83 and mkfs.ext3 on it
Nov 04 16:08:13 <beniwtv> trying on a 512 MB card as well without success yet....
Nov 04 16:08:44 <sylar> no, no kernel panic
Nov 04 16:09:44 <leinir> yet another boot. The included 512 meg card, 1st partition is sector 1-245 type b vfat, 2nd partition is 246- type 83 ext3
Nov 04 16:09:49 <leinir> And i'm getting a boot logo :)
Nov 04 16:09:56 <mokolade> yiihaaa :)
Nov 04 16:10:02 <Jeti> I'm
Nov 04 16:10:21 <beniwtv> hmm... I'm always the one with no success :P
Nov 04 16:10:36 <mokolade> strange, usually I am :p
Nov 04 16:10:42 <Jeti> I'm now getting sim-card locked. Press menu for getting the main menu. How can I press that?
Nov 04 16:11:03 <mokolade> i have my sim unlocked
Nov 04 16:11:12 <Hire> beniwtv: you are not alone
Nov 04 16:11:41 <mokolade> seems the power button is "menu button"
Nov 04 16:12:19 <mokolade> you have to bee active on the touchscreen because it goes fast in to suspend, and there it hangs
Nov 04 16:12:35 <mokolade> have to take the battery out and start 
Nov 04 16:12:55 <Jeti> I only get that I have to type in my sim code
Nov 04 16:13:12 <Jeti> and if I type that in, it says that it's wrong :(
Nov 04 16:13:28 <mokolade> put you sim in another phone and deactivate pin code
Nov 04 16:13:46 <Jeti> mokolade: that might be handy :)
Nov 04 16:13:53 <cjb_ie> assuming you haven't got it wrong three times, in which case you'll need the PUK code
Nov 04 16:14:13 <TAsnn> hey, for some reason enlightenment does not find the icons when the /usr/share/applications/launcher writes just the name, i.e, enlightenment does not know where the pixmap dir is, where can i change that?
Nov 04 16:14:21 <Jeti> does calling already work on the android?
Nov 04 16:14:42 <mokolade> hmmm, lets see..
Nov 04 16:16:01 <mokolade> mine is currently not registered with the gsm network :(
Nov 04 16:16:40 <kd8ikt> love it, my slightly tweaked gsmhandset.state... the other party cant tell i'm on my moko
Nov 04 16:17:09 <leinir> Hmm... It looks quite swish, but it insists that there are no contacts on my sim
Nov 04 16:17:23 <johnsu01> kd8ikt: care to share? :)
Nov 04 16:17:35 <kd8ikt> wonder if its still on pastebin
Nov 04 16:18:01 <beniwtv> bbl
Nov 04 16:18:05 <kd8ikt> http://pastebin.com/f2f0810f
Nov 04 16:18:17 <kd8ikt> it was the smallest tweak ever 
Nov 04 16:18:45 <Fougner> kd8ikt, what do you use, distro, setup and so on.. ? =)
Nov 04 16:18:48 <kd8ikt> like i called myself while ssh'd in and modified alsamixer then stored the current state before it changed
Nov 04 16:18:56 <kd8ikt> (debian)
Nov 04 16:19:19 <kd8ikt> then replaced my gsmhandset state with my saved one
Nov 04 16:19:45 <kd8ikt> so i figure instead of using mine you tweak your own
Nov 04 16:20:02 <Fougner> kd8ikt, debian, is it stable?
Nov 04 16:20:05 <chi> anyone want to buy a neo?
Nov 04 16:20:05 <johnsu01> kd8ikt: thanks, I've done a lot of tweaking myself and haven't been happy yet
Nov 04 16:20:27 <kd8ikt> i like debian cause its just zhone running
Nov 04 16:20:48 <Fougner> zhone?
Nov 04 16:20:48 <kd8ikt> been pretty stable for me lately
Nov 04 16:20:56 <Fougner> yah, debian is niiiiice
Nov 04 16:21:05 <Fougner> but I mean, all hardware and stuff, works?
Nov 04 16:21:20 <kd8ikt> when i get it to suspend too it wakes up fine, no WSOD
Nov 04 16:21:24 <Fougner> you've tried 2008.9 and FDOM ?
Nov 04 16:21:39 <kd8ikt> FDOM is on my internal flash
Nov 04 16:21:46 <Fougner> what about it?
Nov 04 16:21:49 <Fougner> nice? =P
Nov 04 16:21:56 <kd8ikt> its fun
Nov 04 16:21:56 <Fougner> I'm flashing it now
Nov 04 16:21:59 <Fougner> okay, good
Nov 04 16:22:03 <kd8ikt> i like remoko
Nov 04 16:22:08 <Fougner> aha
Nov 04 16:22:18 <kd8ikt> think you need to install one extra thing for remoko to work i cant remember
Nov 04 16:22:39 <kd8ikt> but it pretty much runs out of the box
Nov 04 16:22:56 <kd8ikt> and its fun to show my friends duke nukem 3d
Nov 04 16:22:58 <Fougner> gah, the FDOM takes a while to flash xD
Nov 04 16:23:03 <Fougner> lol
Nov 04 16:23:05 <kd8ikt> i know its fricken huge
Nov 04 16:23:15 <Fougner> Zzzzz...
Nov 04 16:23:27 <kd8ikt> someone needs to start making jffs images of debian
Nov 04 16:23:39 <kd8ikt> cause i'd rather have that on my internal flash
Nov 04 16:23:44 <Fougner> how do you install it ?
Nov 04 16:23:53 <Fougner> it's in tar.gz now ?
Nov 04 16:23:55 <leinir> Hmm... apart from that weirdness with it not letting me see my SIM contacts, it seems to be doing pretty well :)
Nov 04 16:23:58 <kd8ikt> i used the installer http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
Nov 04 16:24:10 <kd8ikt> but watchout i think the uboot modify doesnt work
Nov 04 16:24:27 * johnsu01 is fixing the problems caused by the uboot modify as we speak :)
Nov 04 16:24:47 <kd8ikt> it sorta bricked mine so backup your uboot env   (df-util -a u-boot_env -R -U? backup name
Nov 04 16:24:49 <Fougner> "You can then use almost all of the packages available for Debian, with just one call to apt-get install. It’s still the same full featured Distribution that you know from your desktop or server."
Nov 04 16:25:07 <Fougner> AAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Nov 04 16:25:11 <Fougner> Wonderful
Nov 04 16:25:14 <kd8ikt> oh hey johnsu01 i have a backup of my uboot if you wants it
Nov 04 16:25:18 <kd8ikt> uboot-env
Nov 04 16:25:23 <Fougner> LAMPP-server on my cellphone xD
Nov 04 16:25:37 <johnsu01> kd8ikt: hm thanks, I might in a minute, but I'm already through most of the steps to build a new one so let's see if that works first
Nov 04 16:26:39 <Fougner> kd8ikt, so everything, gsm, sms, headphones and so on works out of the box?
Nov 04 16:26:42 <Fougner> in Debian, that is..
Nov 04 16:26:50 <johnsu01> heh, no :)
Nov 04 16:26:53 <kd8ikt> for debian? yea
Nov 04 16:26:59 <kd8ikt> works for me
Nov 04 16:27:05 <johnsu01> headphones do not work for me
Nov 04 16:27:10 <kd8ikt> i just installed it 2 days ago 
Nov 04 16:27:24 <kd8ikt> might be a glitch with the alsa state 
Nov 04 16:27:43 <kd8ikt> like a new alsa state isnt being loaded when the headphones are connected
Nov 04 16:27:50 <johnsu01> yes I think that's what's happening
Nov 04 16:27:54 <kd8ikt> i lost my headphones long ago
Nov 04 16:28:07 <kd8ikt> probably blew them too
Nov 04 16:28:21 <kd8ikt> like i heard you shouldnt turn on the phone with em plugged in
Nov 04 16:28:37 <Fougner> ehehe
Nov 04 16:28:46 <Fougner> what is zhone then?
Nov 04 16:29:02 <toggles_w> the zen phone
Nov 04 16:30:04 <Fougner> what is that=P
Nov 04 16:30:23 <kd8ikt> uses the FSO phone stack
Nov 04 16:30:26 <kd8ikt> dbus
Nov 04 16:30:29 <toggles_w> python phone script, demo app for http://freesmartphone.org
Nov 04 16:30:36 <kd8ikt> so if you played with FSO then you've used zhone
Nov 04 16:31:07 <kd8ikt> i love its simplicity
Nov 04 16:33:52 <Fougner> All I've tried is official 200*.* and soon FDOm
Nov 04 16:34:08 <kd8ikt> is http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/ that link working?
Nov 04 16:34:13 <kd8ikt> cause its not for me
Nov 04 16:34:32 <kd8ikt> think something is broken
Nov 04 16:34:38 <gromez> yes it works
Nov 04 16:34:41 <johnsu01> kd8ikt: I think my repaired u-boot is working now..
Nov 04 16:34:46 <SpeedEvil> usb love
Nov 04 16:34:47 <SpeedEvil> oops
Nov 04 16:34:49 <kd8ikt> but that is where my uboot backup is if you want it
Nov 04 16:35:40 <kd8ikt> it takes the uboot env back to default
Nov 04 16:36:51 <kd8ikt> alright i'm going out to vote etc bbl
Nov 04 16:37:07 <cjb_ie> vote early, vote often
Nov 04 16:37:07 <kd8ikt> ;)
Nov 04 16:37:28 <kd8ikt> the world hates america last i checked
Nov 04 16:37:29 <johnsu01> kd8ikt: cool, thanks
Nov 04 16:38:03 <kd8ikt> something about bush and the saudi's in bed selling expensive oil to the rest of the world
Nov 04 16:38:15 <kd8ikt> atleast thats how i see it
Nov 04 16:38:19 <cjb_ie> kd8ikt: we might hate it less if you vote wisely ;)
Nov 04 16:38:37 <kd8ikt> ralph nader?
Nov 04 16:38:42 <Fougner> kd8ikt, god bless America... you've got Jackass, Bill Ga(y)tes, and Billy Joel =D
Nov 04 16:38:58 <kd8ikt> i wouldnt say godbless
Nov 04 16:39:11 <kd8ikt> more like god damned
Nov 04 16:39:20 <kd8ikt> lol
Nov 04 16:39:23 <mwester> At least that's what certain of the candidates want.
Nov 04 16:39:47 <kd8ikt> who would you vote for?
Nov 04 16:39:55 <mwester> me
Nov 04 16:39:55 <Fougner> The only bad thing there, is Bill Gates :D
Nov 04 16:39:59 <Fougner> brb, food
Nov 04 16:40:01 <kd8ikt> i think i might go green party all the way
Nov 04 16:40:22 <kd8ikt> vote of confidence
Nov 04 16:40:31 <cjb_ie> kd8ikt: sounds like a wasted vote though
Nov 04 16:40:41 <kd8ikt> not to me
Nov 04 16:41:02 <kd8ikt> its like the silent majority that gets to speak up when at the ballot machine
Nov 04 16:41:04 <mwester> libertarian, I expect.  We desparately need a third party, so no independent votes can be considered "wasted"
Nov 04 16:41:14 <cjb_ie> but i forget you're not just voting for a president
Nov 04 16:41:14 <kd8ikt> pirate party ;)
Nov 04 16:41:29 <kd8ikt> oh yeah represenatives etc
Nov 04 16:41:36 <mwester> Anything is better than the two idjuts we have now.
Nov 04 16:41:39 <kd8ikt> GREEN GREEN
Nov 04 16:41:43 <mwester> :)
Nov 04 16:42:02 <kd8ikt> i want to see/hear about sarah palin the next 4 yrs
Nov 04 16:42:11 <kd8ikt> lol ;)
Nov 04 16:42:17 <kd8ikt> xoxoxox sarah palin
Nov 04 16:42:19 <cjb_ie> ireland's a sad case. i'd vote green, but the green party is so full of corruption here that i'm not sure it'd do any good
Nov 04 16:42:24 <cjb_ie> nailin' palin?
Nov 04 16:42:33 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 04 16:42:35 <cjb_ie> http://www.michaelpalinforpresident.com/
Nov 04 16:42:44 <kd8ikt> VPILF.com
Nov 04 16:42:56 <mwester> I'd vote for a Monty Python government.
Nov 04 16:43:05 <mwester> They can't do any worse, and I suspect lots better.
Nov 04 16:43:14 <SpeedEvil> Pre-emptive nuclear strikes against spain.
Nov 04 16:43:14 <cjb_ie> mwester: exactly what i was going to say
Nov 04 16:43:32 <cjb_ie> NOBODY EXPECTS THE PRE-EMPTIVE NUKES!
Nov 04 16:43:36 <kd8ikt> http://vpilf.net/wp-content/themes/ubminim/images/header.jpg
Nov 04 16:43:45 <mwester> Anyway, back to work for me...
Nov 04 16:43:48 <cjb_ie> *ahem* :)
Nov 04 16:44:00 <kd8ikt> a pre-preemptive strike
Nov 04 16:47:24 <kd8ikt>  /bomb_away
Nov 04 16:48:18 <kd8ikt> bombs*
Nov 04 16:54:14 <Fougner> hmm
Nov 04 17:06:20 <Fougner> when I start my FR the normal way, "openmoko" appears.. but it seems to be locked.. is this a problem with the usplash, or how can I solve it?
Nov 04 17:14:48 <laen> Fougner: flash the splash again, or the u-boot i guess?
Nov 04 17:15:27 <Fougner> the uboot?
Nov 04 17:15:50 <Fougner> I can press and hold the Aux + powerbutton to get the menu, and then boot
Nov 04 17:16:43 <Fougner> but when only holding thw power, "openmoko" appears, then... it's frozen
Nov 04 17:17:24 <sylar> hire: you said in the ml some minutes ago  that we'll have a news stable release soon: are you sure?
Nov 04 17:18:55 <laen> Fougner: try to flash the splash (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/Om2008.9.splash.gz) with: dfu-util -a splash -D Om2008.9.splash.gz
Nov 04 17:20:23 <laen> Fougner: and u-boot (http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin if you have a freerunner) with: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
Nov 04 17:34:19 <Fougner> laen, Wohooo!
Nov 04 17:37:31 <chi> does the hardware on the neo support 3g?
Nov 04 17:37:33 <johnsu01> so, with opkg upgrade I'm seeing a bunch of errors related to libglib-2.0-0
Nov 04 17:37:35 <SpeedEvil> No.
Nov 04 17:37:40 <johnsu01> such as
Nov 04 17:37:42 <johnsu01>  Package libgmodule-2.0-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0
Nov 04 17:37:47 <chi> or is it just a software limitation?
Nov 04 17:37:51 <SpeedEvil> chi: other than the silly option of plugging a 3G USB dongle in. (which you can do)
Nov 04 17:38:11 <chi> hrm
Nov 04 17:39:02 <SpeedEvil> Or bluetooth connection to a 3G phone, which you can also do.
Nov 04 17:39:16 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: why is that silly? ;)
Nov 04 17:39:31 <SpeedEvil> lindi-: because it's not sensible to use it as a phone
Nov 04 17:39:40 <SpeedEvil> lindi-: as the USB lead sticks way out and will break off.
Nov 04 17:39:51 <lindi-> http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/3gnettitikku1.jpg
Nov 04 17:53:48 <Fougner> hahaha
Nov 04 17:53:51 <Fougner> pingus!!!!!!
Nov 04 17:54:44 <Wonka> d2x on FR would be cool
Nov 04 17:55:16 <toggles_w> hmm, android runs, apparently you don't need to format the first partition either
Nov 04 17:55:41 <Wonka> toggles_w: does it have a keyboard yet?
Nov 04 17:56:02 <toggles_w> nope
Nov 04 18:01:02 <Pyrasi> sooo....does android just sit there on a black screen for anyone else?
Nov 04 18:01:14 <toggles_w> Pyrasi: on boot?
Nov 04 18:01:57 <Pyrasi> yea
Nov 04 18:02:19 <toggles_w> Pyrasi: you must have an sd card with 2 partitions, the second must be formatted etx3
Nov 04 18:02:33 <toggles_w> without that it just sits there
Nov 04 18:03:07 <Pyrasi> huh...well i have debian installed on the sd card....doesnt that have 2 partitions in ext3?
Nov 04 18:04:16 <toggles_w> from what i read debian is ext2
Nov 04 18:04:29 <toggles_w> Debian boots by default, from the MicroSD card, with an ext2 boot partition.
Nov 04 18:04:34 <toggles_w> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
Nov 04 18:04:40 <Pyrasi> awww...i guess that would make sense....ext2 is the non journaling isnt it
Nov 04 18:04:43 <Pyrasi> that would make sense
Nov 04 18:04:46 <toggles_w> yep
Nov 04 18:05:10 <toggles_w> i was just looking into putting debian on my sd but figured it woudlnt work
Nov 04 18:06:32 <Fougner> god..
Nov 04 18:06:36 <Wonka> my debian on my 8GB microSDHC works just fine
Nov 04 18:06:45 <bumbl> toggles_w: and how is life on the other side of earth?
Nov 04 18:06:57 <Wonka> if freshly booted at least - seems to hang after some hours of non-usage
Nov 04 18:07:00 <Fougner> Wonka, does stereo headphones work out of the box? :D
Nov 04 18:07:08 <toggles_w> Wonka: with android? seems to me android requires ext3 and deb is ext2?
Nov 04 18:07:20 <Wonka> Fougner: never tried
Nov 04 18:07:31 <toggles_w> bumbl: lol, i don't know, i'm currently residing in the land of elections
Nov 04 18:07:32 <Pyrasi> you could probably put debian on ext3....but it would be alot slower
Nov 04 18:07:34 <Wonka> toggles_w: i got an ext2 /boot and rest ext3, iirc
Nov 04 18:07:42 <Fougner> ok
Nov 04 18:08:07 <bumbl> toggles_w: it's the other side of earth anyway
Nov 04 18:08:28 <toggles_w> Wonka: maybe i'll try, gotta flash back to 2008.9
Nov 04 18:08:34 <toggles_w> bumbl: ;-)
Nov 04 18:09:57 <bumbl> I had debian on an ext2 boot and ext3 root partition and it worked fine
Nov 04 18:10:29 <sakkara> toggles_w: android doesn't requires ext3, it boots nice from nand with ext2 sd
Nov 04 18:10:53 <sakkara> but it doesnt unmount sd when shutting down =(
Nov 04 18:11:02 <Fougner> bleh!
Nov 04 18:11:07 <Wonka> FAIL
Nov 04 18:11:11 <toggles_w> sakkara: thanks
Nov 04 18:12:02 <bumbl> at the moment
Nov 04 18:12:08 <bumbl> android == fail
Nov 04 18:12:50 <sakkara> its not usable, but it boots ;D
Nov 04 18:12:55 <bumbl> too much work which has yet to be done
Nov 04 18:12:56 <leinir> i had to create a pretty special setup for my SD to get android to boot...
Nov 04 18:13:08 <leinir> The included 512 meg card, 1st partition is sector 1-245 type b vfat, 2nd partition is 246- type 83 ext3
Nov 04 18:14:01 <sakkara> hm, i have qtex on sd 1st partition vfat, 2nd ext2 and it boots...
Nov 04 18:24:33 <toggles_w> it's very pretty and useable
Nov 04 18:24:43 <toggles_w> i guess java is faster than python ;-)
Nov 04 18:27:15 <ronny> yeah
Nov 04 18:27:38 <ronny> its pretty easy to be fast if there are massive limits to how you can express yourself
Nov 04 18:28:12 <toggles_w> ;-)
Nov 04 18:29:22 <Dave> So, how about that android... ~_~
Nov 04 18:29:27 <Dave> toggles_rofl
Nov 04 18:29:38 * toggles_w slaps dave
Nov 04 18:29:41 <toggles_w> quiet you
Nov 04 18:29:45 <Dave> NEVER
Nov 04 18:29:51 <toggles_w> ;-)
Nov 04 18:30:11 <toggles_w> like i said, its pretty and the most finger friendly of eveything ive tried
Nov 04 18:30:21 <toggles_w> as long as you can overlook the crash and no keybaord ;-)
Nov 04 18:30:40 <toggles_w> but i think it will be a good alternative system
Nov 04 18:30:41 <FilipLinux4BE> and no way to enter a pin for the sim
Nov 04 18:30:57 <nyu> finger friendly... is that the way it responds when you give it the finger?
Nov 04 18:31:05 <FilipLinux4BE> especially if the local providers enforce the use of a pin :-(
Nov 04 18:33:49 <toggles_w> nyu: lol
Nov 04 18:35:48 <lindi-> i just need debian and stable dialer program, no fancy ui needed :)
Nov 04 18:36:47 <lloyd_fedora_> does the android image work ??
Nov 04 18:38:41 <toggles_w> lloyd_fedora_: it boots but they still have a way to go
Nov 04 18:39:07 <lloyd_fedora_> toggles_w: the android image i downloaded does not boot .. i just get a blank screen
Nov 04 18:40:41 <Dave> lloyd_fedora, as is the case with many so far :)
Nov 04 18:41:22 <toggles_w> mwester: can you help lloyd_fedora_ ?
Nov 04 18:41:50 <toggles_w> lloyd_fedora_: you must have 2 partitions the second one must be ext2/3 and it should boot
Nov 04 18:42:07 <toggles_w> on your sd card... exact details are still being sorted out
Nov 04 18:43:24 <lloyd_fedora_> toggles_w: i flashed it to the phone .. will try it on the sd card
Nov 04 18:43:35 <Kensan> anybody got some experience in dissasembling the FR to attach a debugboard?
Nov 04 18:44:35 <toggles_w> lloyd_fedora_: no, you need to partition your sd card to have the two partitions
Nov 04 18:44:49 <toggles_w> then reboot
Nov 04 18:45:54 <lloyd_fedora_> toggles_w: k .. thanks
Nov 04 18:46:20 <toggles_w> lloyd_fedora_: format the second ext3/2
Nov 04 18:46:29 <Dave> Mwester, your doggy is silly.
Nov 04 18:52:17 <Kensan> mwester: ping
Nov 04 18:52:33 <opentrinity> hi, i have a problem...after suspend ring doesn't work....mplayer works (only from consolle)
Nov 04 18:52:45 <opentrinity> anyone could help me?
Nov 04 18:53:32 <Dave> Kensan: ding
Nov 04 18:54:04 <Kensan> Dave: do you have experience with FR & debugboard?
Nov 04 18:54:15 <Kensan> I am trying not to brick/destroy my FR
Nov 04 18:55:09 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r319 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (Makefile TODO elementary/elementary.pyx tests/test01.py): Added smart callback handling
Nov 04 18:55:48 <Dave> Kensan, then what are you doing with it?
Nov 04 18:56:02 <Kensan> Dave: trying to connect the debugboard to the fr
Nov 04 18:56:03 <Hire> Kensan: why not? it is fun to destroy something :)
Nov 04 18:56:06 <Dave> Also, I don't see how you could brick it, if you have the debug board.
Nov 04 18:56:17 <Dave> Hire, that's my job!
Nov 04 18:56:23 <Kensan> Dave: physically damage the phone. This is open hearth surgery!
Nov 04 18:56:23 * Dave destroys Hire
Nov 04 18:56:29 <Dave> Kensan - hah!
Nov 04 18:56:33 <Dave> Hardly :)
Nov 04 18:56:38 <Dave> you're not cutting anything :)
Nov 04 18:56:48 <laen> Pull!
Nov 04 18:56:57 <Kensan> you don't know my clumsy fingers...
Nov 04 18:57:03 <Kensan> I am a software guy
Nov 04 18:57:05 <Dave> oh :\
Nov 04 18:57:27 <Dave> Remind me never to let you operate on me, in the event of an accident! :D
Nov 04 18:57:50 <Kensan> I am no surgeon either
Nov 04 18:57:54 <laen> Soft fingers i guess?
Nov 04 18:57:59 <Dave> stick to the software :P
Nov 04 18:58:02 <Dave> laen :P
Nov 04 18:58:21 <laen> Soft fingers for softwear. Logical, heh :)
Nov 04 18:58:22 <Kensan> well I just want serial-console for kernel output
Nov 04 18:58:26 <Dave> yep
Nov 04 18:58:28 * Hire reborns and slaps with rage Dave
Nov 04 18:58:50 <Dave> Man, Hire, your English will never cease to amuse me.
Nov 04 18:58:54 * laen slaps Hire with a Dave
Nov 04 18:59:01 <Dave> Not to mention, of course, humiliate yourself.
Nov 04 18:59:07 * Kensan frantically pings mwester
Nov 04 18:59:08 <Dave> laen - YES!
Nov 04 18:59:11 <laen> =D
Nov 04 18:59:13 <toggles_w> lol
Nov 04 18:59:24 <Dave> ooooooooooh, kensan's gonna tell on you :P
Nov 04 18:59:26 * Hire hates Dave
Nov 04 18:59:36 <Kensan> kids please, daddy's operating.
Nov 04 18:59:38 <Dave> Yes... let the hate flow THROUGH you...
Nov 04 18:59:50 <laen> Shhh, Kensan needs some silence :)
Nov 04 19:00:02 <Dave> not too much though
Nov 04 19:00:06 <Dave> or he might drop a cable
Nov 04 19:00:09 * Hire feels the hate increase into himself
Nov 04 19:00:10 <Kensan> I should have just waited until somebody else fixes the kernel stuff *sigh*
Nov 04 19:00:19 <laen> Kensan: you mean.. in 2 years :O
Nov 04 19:00:23 <Dave> hah, but of course, you want to be on the front lines :)
Nov 04 19:00:26 <Dave> laen - huhu
Nov 04 19:00:39 <Kensan> Thou shalt experimenteth
Nov 04 19:00:47 <Kensan> or something along those lines
Nov 04 19:00:50 <Dave> just not with meth
Nov 04 19:01:49 <Kensan> well at least I can clean the display now...
Nov 04 19:02:11 <laen> How, what rootfs did you use? :P
Nov 04 19:02:50 <Kensan> the one which says "I am mwester and I endorse this rootfs"
Nov 04 19:03:01 <laen> I was just kidding.
Nov 04 19:03:18 <Kensan> me too, as always
Nov 04 19:03:36 <laen> I'm out of tabacco.
Nov 04 19:03:49 <Kensan> I am out of patience
Nov 04 19:04:04 <nyu> "I bless your computer my child"
Nov 04 19:04:16 <Kensan> I should have ordered a backup freerunner with the debugboard...
Nov 04 19:04:40 <laen> Kensan: well you knew you were going to buy a phone that wouldn't work, right?
Nov 04 19:04:53 <Kensan> yeah but when I bought it it was not my fault...
Nov 04 19:05:03 <Dave> haha
Nov 04 19:05:05 <Dave> regrets?
Nov 04 19:05:09 <laen> What was not your fault?
Nov 04 19:05:37 <Kensan> Dave: yeah, because of this whole openmoko bonanza I've met you
Nov 04 19:05:38 <toggles_w> i made him do it
Nov 04 19:05:40 <Kensan> *harrharr*
Nov 04 19:06:14 <Kensan> laen: when I bought it it was not my fault, that it didn't work. If I destroy it while trying to attach the debugboard it is my fault.
Nov 04 19:11:35 <Kensan> but seriously, nobody in here used a debugboard?
Nov 04 19:15:10 <sicu> Kensan: what's the issue?
Nov 04 19:15:18 <sicu> and no ... havn't used one yet
Nov 04 19:16:45 <sicu> luckily havn't had the need
Nov 04 19:17:05 <sicu> you trying to unbrick it? or messing with qi?
Nov 04 19:18:12 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * redc437ce5117 10/packages/e17/illume_svn.bb: illume: add RDEPENDS e-wm
Nov 04 19:18:16 <slaxxin> kensan u havr multiple mokos?'
Nov 04 19:18:25 <slaxxin> like dave?
Nov 04 19:19:06 <sicu> Dave has an army
Nov 04 19:19:26 <slaxxin> dave did u r&R your FRIED circuit?
Nov 04 19:20:03 <slaxxin> DangerDave
Nov 04 19:20:26 <slaxxin> proly has a stainlessSteel table
Nov 04 19:21:22 <Kensan> slaxxin: I have a FR and a Neo1973
Nov 04 19:21:37 <Kensan> and a debugboard which I don't know how to connect properly
Nov 04 19:22:08 <sicu> Kensan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3
Nov 04 19:22:16 <Kensan> sicu: yeah, I know
Nov 04 19:22:26 <sicu> not clear enough there then? :/
Nov 04 19:23:41 <slaxxin> if u look around there is a picture of the connector on the wiki in the hardware part
Nov 04 19:24:29 <Kensan> slaxxin: there's even pictures on how to connect the debugboard but my cable wont fit properly into the FR
Nov 04 19:24:46 <slaxxin> no way
Nov 04 19:25:35 <sicu> a few shots of tequila and a pair of pliers will work wonders
Nov 04 19:25:44 <slaxxin> maybe flipping it over is it
Nov 04 19:25:49 <uluatu> is there anybody here facing the problem of the black screen running android on freerunner?
Nov 04 19:25:56 <slaxxin> no
Nov 04 19:26:53 <toggles_w> slaxxin: stay out of android questions, thats mwesters territory
Nov 04 19:27:33 <uluatu> ok running now
Nov 04 19:27:34 <uluatu> thanks
Nov 04 19:30:35 <beniwtv> hi all
Nov 04 19:30:56 <beniwtv> beniwtv vs. android - round 2 starts now :P
Nov 04 19:31:49 <sicu> K.O.
Nov 04 19:32:15 <toggles_w> dammit.. i forgot the keys
Nov 04 19:32:24 <uluatu> beniwtv:  start it
Nov 04 19:32:42 <beniwtv> sicu: Pretty much... The first round didn't go that well... kernel panic (just got the boot logo)
Nov 04 19:34:16 <Kensan> DocScrutinizer: ping
Nov 04 19:34:29 <toggles_w> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1018213&cid=25629797 - haha!
Nov 04 19:39:02 <mwester> Dave:  Yes, the doggie is really quite pathetic.  But if you close your eyes, and let your sense of smell take control, you can discover the hidden "wolf-ness" ;)
Nov 04 19:39:11 <mwester> Kensan: is the patient terminal?
Nov 04 19:39:58 <ernst> can i use android image if i un use the sd card ?
Nov 04 19:40:36 <Kensan> mwester: what's the propper startup sequence for debugboard v3 and freerunner?
Nov 04 19:40:47 <jonkristian> ernst: afaik, android doesn't work with sd just yet.
Nov 04 19:41:51 <Kensan> mwester: I am not getting any output on the serial console
Nov 04 19:42:23 <mwester> Kensan:  Not sure what exactly you mean, but there is some "feedback" that happens -- I have success by connecting the debugboard to the host first -- that may trigger the FR to boot, which is ok.  Then you need to figure out which of the USB serial ports is the debug board and I found "cu" works best for the console.
Nov 04 19:42:48 <mwester> It is also possible that your default boot arguments are directing the kernel to ignore the serial console.
Nov 04 19:42:50 <ernst> jonkristian and without ?  does it work ?
Nov 04 19:43:09 <mwester> You need to have console set to ttySAC2 IIRC
Nov 04 19:43:54 <jonkristian> ernst: afaik, you must flash
Nov 04 19:44:02 <ccfly> hello folks :)
Nov 04 19:44:11 <toggles_w> mcfly!
Nov 04 19:44:13 <mwester> But first, is the debug  board connected properly to the FR?  The flat cable is a pain to get to fit, but it will insert all the way if yoiu try hard enough.  Push the reset button on the debug board and see if the FR responds...
Nov 04 19:44:43 <laen> Okay, totally unrelated to the Openmoko. Is it possible to see all variables set in a shell?
Nov 04 19:44:50 <mwester> env
Nov 04 19:44:52 <ccfly> env ?
Nov 04 19:45:07 <Kensan> mwester: ok
Nov 04 19:45:08 <laen> Sexy, i should have known that.
Nov 04 19:45:18 <Kensan> mwester: what should happen if I press the reset button?
Nov 04 19:45:25 <mwester> FR should reboot.
Nov 04 19:46:10 <mwester> That's actually the only way to assert a hardware reset on the FR  (without pulling the battery and unplugging everything).
Nov 04 19:46:12 <Kensan> mwester: ok it does
Nov 04 19:46:27 <mwester> Ok, good -- then you should have the cable making contact.
Nov 04 19:47:10 <Kensan> to connect to console from host: "cu /dev/ttyUSB1"
Nov 04 19:47:10 <mwester> Check the u-boot environment to make sure that the boot args set the console to ttySAC2
Nov 04 19:47:13 <Kensan> right?
Nov 04 19:47:20 <mwester> Only if it's tty USB1
Nov 04 19:47:24 <mwester> on mine it's not.
Nov 04 19:47:27 <Kensan> mwester: yeah it is
Nov 04 19:47:34 <Kensan> usb0 is openocd
Nov 04 19:47:44 <mwester> Do  you have ttyACM0
Nov 04 19:47:58 <Kensan> mwester: no
Nov 04 19:48:06 <mwester> if you have the FR connected to the host via USB, then it too will appear as a USB tty.
Nov 04 19:48:11 <mwester> SO then you'll have three.
Nov 04 19:48:15 <mwester> VERY confusing.
Nov 04 19:48:19 <Kensan> hm yeah
Nov 04 19:48:39 <mwester> I plug things in in a specific order to un-confuse me.
Nov 04 19:48:55 <mwester> The FR doesn't get plugged in at all until after it's booted and I have a console.
Nov 04 19:49:43 <mwester> That way I know I have the correct TTY, because the u-boot usb tty is gone, replaced bythe kernel network driver over USB
Nov 04 19:50:50 <mwester> Also, you may not have a getty running on the port once it boots, so there's no guarantee that you'll be able to log in.
Nov 04 19:51:09 <mwester> I have to do something to trigger a kernel message to see if it's working or not, sometimes.
Nov 04 19:51:15 <Kensan> mwester: console was not set properly in uboot-env need to reflash...
Nov 04 19:51:53 <mwester> I just set up a different boot menu option in u-boot to boot with the console set.
Nov 04 19:52:23 <Kensan> oh, now its booting without battery
Nov 04 19:52:24 <Kensan> funny
Nov 04 19:52:27 <ernst> i flasht now with android image an i habe a black screen but i have remove the micro sd card 
Nov 04 19:52:31 <beniwtv> Speaking about debug, is is possible to have the kernel serial console over the normal usb cable?
Nov 04 19:52:49 <ernst> does anyone have it too ?
Nov 04 19:53:15 <mwester> beniwtv:  no
Nov 04 19:53:29 <beniwtv> ernst: You need two empty partitions on the SD card, the first vfat and the second ext3 (not ext2), otherwise there is the B(black)SOD
Nov 04 19:53:39 <beniwtv> mwester: thanks, was just wondering...
Nov 04 19:54:18 <ernst> beniwtv thanks i test it
Nov 04 19:54:37 <uluatu> ernst: put the uSD, android require that with at least an empty ext3 partition
Nov 04 19:55:06 <mwester> There has been talk of putting a serial to USB chip on the PCB with a micro connector hidden, so that you would not need a debug board to see the console, but that has not been implemented.
Nov 04 19:55:18 <beniwtv> ernst: that being said, I just get as far as the boot logo, I get a kernel panic afterwards... But it may work for you...
Nov 04 19:55:49 <beniwtv> Others got it working at least :P
Nov 04 19:55:51 <zogg_> Anybody experienced problems with messages spanning through 2 sms' on 2008.9?
Nov 04 19:58:16 <beniwtv> zogg_: How many characters has this SMS?
Nov 04 20:00:29 <zogg_> Cant really say, 1st part of it got truncated and merged with other sms of the same sender.
Nov 04 20:00:49 <Daramarak> Anyone got any idea why my FR wifi connection has 81% packet loss and 100-800ms ping time. I am aprox 6 meters away from the AP
Nov 04 20:01:10 <mwester> Daramarak:  no.  but this is common.
Nov 04 20:01:34 <mwester> Om (Werner, specifically) is looking at it.
Nov 04 20:01:34 <Daramarak> mwester: So it is an issue with the FR
Nov 04 20:01:58 <mwester> Yes, with the wifi chip or the driver, nobody yet knows.
Nov 04 20:02:45 <Daramarak> interesting... has it got a trac ticket?
Nov 04 20:03:01 <laen> Does this apply to all main kernels (om, mwester, debian, etc)?
Nov 04 20:03:02 <mwester> Dunno, I expect it does.
Nov 04 20:03:15 <mwester> And yes, the wifi issue applies to all kernels.
Nov 04 20:03:20 <laen> Kay.
Nov 04 20:04:06 <Schugy> that's bad
Nov 04 20:04:31 <laen> Nah.
Nov 04 20:04:37 <laen> Thats interesting though :)
Nov 04 20:04:39 <mwester> Very bad.  There are other problems too, that also need fixing.  But no reason to think they won't all be worked out, eventually.
Nov 04 20:05:01 <mwester> The bottom line is that the driver from Atheros is not very good (to be kind).
Nov 04 20:05:19 <beniwtv> Yeah, I'm waiting for my bluethooth before I even think about WiFi...
Nov 04 20:05:33 <Daramarak> Sad really, the wifi is one of the most appealing hw facets of the FR
Nov 04 20:05:42 <laen> True.
Nov 04 20:05:43 <Schugy> i wonder what will be available first, a gta03 or a coloured or aluminium cased pandora, both should work with wifi
Nov 04 20:05:53 <laen> Hows the bluetooth btw? Didn't try that yet.
Nov 04 20:06:51 <beniwtv> laen: Works mostly for file tranfer, etc... But I get a kernel oops as soon as I use rfcomm to pair with the car handsfree (has a workaround, though)
Nov 04 20:07:24 <mib_ofos7b> has anyone gotten the android image to boot yet?
Nov 04 20:07:27 <mib_ofos7b> in here
Nov 04 20:07:44 <beniwtv> mib_ofos7b: some have... I'm still trying, though
Nov 04 20:07:48 <mwester> bluetooth should work for networking as well; that was working on the Neo long ago.
Nov 04 20:08:13 <malane> I haven't been able to yet, keep getting the blank screen.  I've tried creating two partitions on an 8gb uSD and both formatted to ext3
Nov 04 20:09:30 <toggles_w> malane: http://pastebin.com/m613aaf6
Nov 04 20:11:37 <laen> So i guess you can use bluetooth for networking/internet right?
Nov 04 20:11:39 <malane> thanks
Nov 04 20:11:58 <laen> Shouldn't be too hard to config on any OS i guess.. interesting.
Nov 04 20:14:11 <malane> how do you set a partition type in fdisk?
Nov 04 20:14:16 <toggles_w> t
Nov 04 20:15:04 <Kensan> mwester: did you take the pcb all the way out of the case?
Nov 04 20:15:16 <malane> thanks
Nov 04 20:15:28 <toggles_w> no wukkas
Nov 04 20:15:58 <mwester> No.  just the front panel.  I found that lifting the GPS antenna out and placing it aside (without unplugging it) made access easier,  to get the flat cable plugged in.
Nov 04 20:16:32 <Kensan> mwester: yeah, that's how I am doing it but it looks a bit unstable...
Nov 04 20:16:47 <mwester> It is fragile, I fear.
Nov 04 20:16:48 <Daramarak> I have tried to run the numpty-physics game on the 2008.9 but I get an error that Enlightenment failed to start it. Is the game only working on 2007? 
Nov 04 20:17:27 <malane> I've played it on FDOM before (which is 2008.x)
Nov 04 20:17:30 <malane> although it's very slow
Nov 04 20:17:59 <mwester> At one point I used some sticky tape to hold the boards and cables to the desk, to lessen the risk that I would catch a cable and pull something loose, or break the connector.
Nov 04 20:19:24 <mwester> I also stripped the outer insulation off my USB cable to the debug board for an inch or so, so that it was very flexible at the end of the cable -- that made the debug board stay in place on the desk better (otherwise just messing with the cables behind my desk would make the debug board slide around.)
Nov 04 20:19:58 <mwester> Now I have four little rubber feet glued to the bottom of the debug board.  :)
Nov 04 20:21:08 <cjb_ie> it's good to be all LRFed up
Nov 04 20:22:35 <Kensan> mwester: yeah I need to figure something out
Nov 04 20:22:51 <Kensan> currently all the usb cables run over my keyboard which makes typing a bit hard...
Nov 04 20:23:35 <beniwtv> interesting... I'm not quite sure if I'm lucky or something, but the rfcomm bug seems to be gone in 2.6.26 that ships with the android image... I just reflashed Qtopia to verify the kernel can boot, and it does... :)
Nov 04 20:24:44 <mwester> Duct Tape rules!!!
Nov 04 20:25:01 <Hire> ANDROIDDDDDD
Nov 04 20:25:03 <Hire> nooooooo
Nov 04 20:25:03 <Kensan> mwester: hm still doesn't show anything
Nov 04 20:25:09 <Hire> we are FFUUUU----
Nov 04 20:25:12 <Kensan> somethings odd.
Nov 04 20:25:13 <Hire> FFFFFUUUUUCCCCC-----
Nov 04 20:25:27 <beniwtv> Hire: ??
Nov 04 20:25:42 <malane> hm
Nov 04 20:25:59 <mwester> Kensan: can you access u-boot via the serial console?
Nov 04 20:26:03 <malane> toggles_w: those instructions didn't seem to help
Nov 04 20:26:18 <Kensan> mwester: hold on, gotta do something else for a sec
Nov 04 20:26:22 <malane> Hire: are you trying to get android running?
Nov 04 20:26:35 <Hire> naaahhh
Nov 04 20:26:39 <toggles_w> malane: you format second partition as ext3
Nov 04 20:26:39 <Hire> i get it working
Nov 04 20:26:45 <Hire> and i see it very sucks :D
Nov 04 20:26:45 <malane> toggles_w: I did
Nov 04 20:26:50 <Hire> as ducks
Nov 04 20:26:55 <toggles_w> malane: also try making 2nd partition < 2G
Nov 04 20:27:02 * Hire pings Dave
Nov 04 20:27:03 <toggles_w> you're using 8G card right?
Nov 04 20:27:05 <malane> toggles_w: that could have been it
Nov 04 20:28:03 <toggles_w> malane: my card is 2G it boots with that pastebin from this morning
Nov 04 20:28:20 <laen> Nerf. Trying to install Debian to the SD card, but everytime before it finishes, the FR freezes somewhere.
Nov 04 20:28:59 <beniwtv> I gave up trying to install Android... I have now my old Qt Extended again... And the only thing I'm missing is my bt car handsfree
Nov 04 20:29:12 <beniwtv> Android: 2 beniwtv: 0 (for now)
Nov 04 20:29:32 <Hire> beniwtv waits some day
Nov 04 20:29:39 <Kensan> mwester: so I got the debugboard connected to the host and I got /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1
Nov 04 20:29:49 <Hire> for a better images and kernel
Nov 04 20:30:15 <Kensan> mwester: if I turn on the phone and go into nand uboot I should be able to connect to it via /dev/ttyUSB1, correct?
Nov 04 20:30:17 <beniwtv> Hire: yup... and for a virtual keyboard as well...
Nov 04 20:30:29 <Hire> if you wait some days
Nov 04 20:30:39 <malane> hm
Nov 04 20:30:45 <Hire> you will get a full functional android
Nov 04 20:31:24 <malane> toggles_w: I made p1 8M and p2 1024M, of types 6 and 83 respectively. p2 formatted ext3
Nov 04 20:31:30 <malane> toggles_w: and I still can't boot :(
Nov 04 20:31:44 <bumbl> mwester_: it seems android solves problems
Nov 04 20:32:14 <bumbl> android (in the video) seems to be as fast as lightning compared to the om software
Nov 04 20:32:15 <beniwtv> Now if I could just figure out why my bt headset has no sound in QT Extended... when everything else works, I'd be 100% ok for now. Strange thing is I get static sound in the headset once the call starts, but no call sound :-/
Nov 04 20:32:43 <beniwtv> bumbl: video? Is there already one with a FR or a neo? :P
Nov 04 20:33:07 <bumbl> beniwtv: check out planet.openmoko.org
Nov 04 20:34:08 <mwester> Kensan:  Yes.
Nov 04 20:34:10 <Kensan> mwester: hm... somethings still off.
Nov 04 20:34:44 <beniwtv> woha! I get to old for this I think... You go away two hours and they have made a video of android already :P
Nov 04 20:35:46 <toggles_w> malane: sorry mate, i'm all outta idears
Nov 04 20:36:30 <Kensan> mwester: should leds5&7 be blinking?
Nov 04 20:36:45 <malane> toggles_w: thanks anyway
Nov 04 20:37:37 <bipak_> does the battery usually get loaded even if the phone is off?
Nov 04 20:37:51 <mwester> Kensan:   I'm not sure... my debug board is not currently connected. :(
Nov 04 20:38:14 <bipak_> my fr won't turn on anymore
Nov 04 20:39:04 <norro> I'm interested in bipak's problem too. i have the same poblem right now
Nov 04 20:39:15 <Kensan> mwester: hm I am getting no connection to uboot via serial. I need to recheck if it's set to ttySAC2
Nov 04 20:39:15 <Pander> I had the same thing
Nov 04 20:39:15 <beniwtv> bipak_: AFAIK no, but you can try the workaround described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues
Nov 04 20:39:23 <norro> battery seems to be empty and i can't get it workin
Nov 04 20:39:28 <Pander> perhaps it turns on when you power it with USB from your desktop/laptop, it did the trick for me
Nov 04 20:39:34 <beniwtv> The one with the AUX key (worked for me)
Nov 04 20:39:46 <Pander> batt was also emtpy, charging with adapter was no use
Nov 04 20:40:05 <bipak_> i always load it with the over usb power
Nov 04 20:40:08 <norro> beniwtv: what was it that worked for you?
Nov 04 20:40:35 <mwester> Kensan: I need to leave for a little while, but if you cannot get it working, I'll re-connect my FR and we can compare settings to find out what is not right.
Nov 04 20:40:36 <beniwtv> norro: "Some users have reported that Neo FreeRunner is able to boot on USB power alone using the NOR u-boot, thus: press AUX, plug USB power, select boot. Reports of success would be appreciated. "
Nov 04 20:40:49 <bipak_> ah
Nov 04 20:41:05 <norro> i think i tried that already, but i will do again
Nov 04 20:41:29 <Kensan> mwester: Well, I'll fiddle around with it some more :)
Nov 04 20:41:34 <Kensan> mwester: Thanks alot!
Nov 04 20:41:46 <bipak_> beniwtv: that worked!
Nov 04 20:41:48 <beniwtv> norro: make sure you take out the battery, and plug in the USB cable
Nov 04 20:42:35 <toggles_w> whao, thats cool
Nov 04 20:42:41 <Kensan> mwester: will have more questions when you are back *haha*
Nov 04 20:43:21 <norro> beniwtv: removed the battery. then holding aux and plugged in the usb cable. no reaction :(
Nov 04 20:43:28 <bipak_> beniwtv: the androids are back, thanks :)
Nov 04 20:43:49 <bipak_> norro: removed battery, put it back, press aux, plug in the usb cable
Nov 04 20:43:59 <bipak_> that should fire up the nor uboot
Nov 04 20:44:12 <norro> bipak_: holding aux while plugging in?
Nov 04 20:44:14 <beniwtv> bipak_: you're welcome
Nov 04 20:44:20 <bipak_> norro: yes
Nov 04 20:45:35 <norro> bipak_: still no reaction. anything to do with the power button?
Nov 04 20:45:43 <bipak_> no
Nov 04 20:45:46 <beniwtv> norro: try what bipak_ suggested, if there's no reaction, also try pressing the power button. 
Nov 04 20:46:15 <bipak_> norro: maybe you need wait a bit after removing the bat
Nov 04 20:46:19 <norro> okay. i hope i will not break my fingers when doing that. ;)
Nov 04 20:46:24 <bipak_> lol
Nov 04 20:47:20 <bipak_> did you put the battery back in?
Nov 04 20:49:35 <norro> i did
Nov 04 20:49:46 <norro> no reation at all
Nov 04 20:49:49 <bipak_> :\
Nov 04 20:50:12 <norro> will it work without the battery inside?
Nov 04 20:50:52 <bipak_> dunno
Nov 04 20:50:53 <joerg_42> yup, if it boots
Nov 04 20:51:03 <toggles_w> mine wont go into nor without a batt
Nov 04 20:52:23 <bumbl> mine does not boot without batt either
Nov 04 20:52:29 <joerg_42> btw: try charger! more power than PC-USB
Nov 04 20:52:32 <beniwtv> norro: I just removed the battery and it did go into NOR...
Nov 04 20:52:50 <bumbl> but as I have a spare nokia battery it's not a problem
Nov 04 20:53:08 <norro> so just holding aux and then plugging the charger in? without battery?
Nov 04 20:53:17 <beniwtv> Strange, seems some versions of the FR do not boot. Do you know what version you have? v5 v6?
Nov 04 20:53:26 <beniwtv> norro: yes
Nov 04 20:53:38 <norro> beniwtv: where i can i see the version?
Nov 04 20:53:45 <joerg_42> norro: yup
Nov 04 20:55:10 <Pander> perhaps the charging needs a bit of time when batt is really drained before the device will start up
Nov 04 20:55:50 <norro> Pander: i already "charged" it (if one can use this word in this case) for two hours
Nov 04 20:55:55 <beniwtv> norro: Try this: Plug in the charger. Wait for two seconds or so. Then press and hold AUX, while you also press and hold the POWER button. It makes a noise and it should enter NOR (this has worked for me).
Nov 04 20:55:56 <Pander> anyone here assebled into the collective? (read: anyone running android?)
Nov 04 20:56:20 <joerg_42> Pander: charging usually needs boot to work. thats the *problem*
Nov 04 20:56:21 <beniwtv> Pander: AFAIK, the FR does not charge while off
Nov 04 20:57:56 <Pander> aha
Nov 04 20:58:59 <Pander> I tried a lot, I heard the speaker squick a bit each time I pressed the power button but no booting or whatsoever. think that it started booting when connected to my laptop and then also started charging
Nov 04 20:59:53 <beniwtv> Pander: Yes, it makes a sound, and eventually if you leave the power button pressed it will go into NOR
Nov 04 20:59:56 <norro> i get no reation at all no matter what i do: holding the aux button, holding power button, holding both, with or woithour battery ...
Nov 04 21:00:43 <norro> i wonder if i do something really stupid without seeing it. but i already tested the charger with my other phone
Nov 04 21:01:18 <beniwtv> norro: This is a FR right? Not a neo 1973?
Nov 04 21:01:23 <joerg_42> press Aux. Hold. Insert charger. wait and hold. press and hold power
Nov 04 21:01:54 <joerg_42> release aux
Nov 04 21:02:00 <norro> joerg_42: with battery inside?
Nov 04 21:02:37 <joerg_42> try both, but drained batt should be same as no batt at all
Nov 04 21:02:51 <norro> ok
Nov 04 21:03:02 <Dave> Joerg :D
Nov 04 21:03:22 <joerg_42> when device is up to display, insert batt and charge
Nov 04 21:04:00 <F4t> hi, did anyone manage to boot into android yet? :)
Nov 04 21:04:14 <joerg_42> if no success to boot, try same procedure another ~5 times
Nov 04 21:04:42 <beniwtv> F4t: Someone had success ... see planet.openmoko.org for a video
Nov 04 21:05:05 <joerg_42> if still no access -> bad luck, see alternative escapes of drained-batt deadlock
Nov 04 21:06:03 <joerg_42> *success
Nov 04 21:06:12 <F4t> saw aa video on youtube,
Nov 04 21:06:25 <beniwtv> joerg_42: Do you think there is any difference between the wall charger and the USB cable? 
Nov 04 21:06:27 <F4t> also read on the blog that you need a fat and ext3 partition on the sd... or it wont boot..
Nov 04 21:06:31 <beniwtv> I just tested with the cable...
Nov 04 21:06:44 <joerg_42> beniwtv: sure
Nov 04 21:06:45 <beniwtv> F4t: true
Nov 04 21:07:11 <F4t> beniwtv, ill have to wait till they fix it, got debian on my sd...
Nov 04 21:07:13 <joerg_42> charger does 1A unconditionally
Nov 04 21:07:25 <joerg_42> even 2
Nov 04 21:07:29 <F4t> beniwtv, mayb ill used the 512 sd, but its such a pain to switch cards
Nov 04 21:07:48 <joerg_42> USB you never know
Nov 04 21:08:00 <beniwtv> F4t: yeah, it's the same for me... But I couldn't get it to work on the 512 MB... 
Nov 04 21:09:07 <beniwtv> joerg_42: hmm... maybe it starts only with 500mA, but that would be silly would it?
Nov 04 21:09:16 <F4t> beniwtv, black screen at boot?
Nov 04 21:09:40 <joerg_42> yeah silly, for NOR
Nov 04 21:09:54 <beniwtv> F4t: no, I get the logo, but then a kernel panic... The same kernel boots with Qt extended just fine...
Nov 04 21:11:17 <norro> so guys. i tried it some times now with and without battery inside. no luck. i gues i have to find a fitting nokia mobile phone or a fitting battery charger. thanks anyway for your time
Nov 04 21:11:55 <norro> if you can tell me how to find it i can tell you the version of my phone for the records
Nov 04 21:12:23 <beniwtv> joerg_42, norro: Just tried with the wall charger, and it goes into NOR. Would have been silly :P 
Nov 04 21:12:24 <joerg_42> noaXess: datecode
Nov 04 21:12:43 <noaXess> joerg_42: ???
Nov 04 21:12:52 <joerg_42> sorry
Nov 04 21:13:09 <joerg_42> addrd to norro
Nov 04 21:13:09 <norro> autocompletion, i guess :)
Nov 04 21:13:16 <joerg_42> yup
Nov 04 21:13:48 <norro> sp date code is 20080617
Nov 04 21:14:48 <beniwtv> mine is 200808-something maybe that's it...
Nov 04 21:15:13 <F4t> beniwtv, i dont even get the boot logo...
Nov 04 21:15:37 <joerg_42> beniwtv: yup
Nov 04 21:16:15 <joerg_42> different capacitor on Vsys
Nov 04 21:16:27 <beniwtv> joerg_42: so v5?
Nov 04 21:16:38 <joerg_42> think so
Nov 04 21:16:45 <joerg_42> not sure
Nov 04 21:16:54 <F4t> does anyone know of an application for xfce/xserver/debian to zoom where the mouse cursor is, so you could use fingers instead of stylus...?
Nov 04 21:17:19 <lindi-> F4t: i use my fingernails :)
Nov 04 21:17:21 <beniwtv> hmm.. maybe anyone from the hardware team can confirm that, and add it to the Wiki if true...
Nov 04 21:19:12 <joerg_42> beniwtv: what exactly?
Nov 04 21:19:46 <joerg_42> beniwtv: bootissue is known and I guess documented
Nov 04 21:20:05 <beniwtv> joerg_42: I'm thinking that maybe v5 does not boot that way... We could add that to the Wiki, so that people don't waste time trying it...
Nov 04 21:20:12 <bipak_> F4t: you need an ext2/3 partition on mmcblk0p2 for getting android to boot
Nov 04 21:20:26 <vininim> halp, how do I fix lag on national postal services for freerunner shipping? =P
Nov 04 21:20:34 <joerg_42> I don't know for sure which datecode we got big C
Nov 04 21:20:56 <joerg_42> also some A5  *do* boot
Nov 04 21:22:52 <samgee> does anybody know where /etc/profile on FSO comes from?
Nov 04 21:23:01 <samgee> it seems to reset every time I reboot
Nov 04 21:26:46 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d851d7e051c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): python-pygame: Blacklist smpeg and build pygame without smpeg
Nov 04 21:27:27 <norro> beniwtv, joerg_42: i just advised two friends of mine (german) to try to boot their freerunners without battery (holding aux, plugging charger). also no reaction, also data code 200806..
Nov 04 21:27:58 <holycow> hey guys, anyone running android on their moko?
Nov 04 21:28:00 <F4t> bipak_, i have debian,with ext2 on p2...
Nov 04 21:28:19 <bipak_> holycow: had it running for 30minutes
Nov 04 21:28:20 <bipak_> ;)
Nov 04 21:28:42 <bipak_> F4t: so android should boot. but i'm not sure what happens with your debian install
Nov 04 21:29:11 <bipak_> holycow: it's quite fast
Nov 04 21:29:17 <joerg_42> norro: yup, odds are it won't work for A5.. tho occasionally it will
Nov 04 21:29:29 <bipak_> but no wlan, no bluetooth.. nothing works yet :)
Nov 04 21:29:38 <bipak_> pffff
Nov 04 21:30:14 <norro> joerg_42: so just trying it again and again? is there any chance it will do?
Nov 04 21:31:40 <joerg_42> yup, up to ten times maybe. also different temp etc might impact. but usually some A5 boot, others dont
Nov 04 21:32:20 <joerg_42> most don't tho
Nov 04 21:33:46 <joerg_42> get Urself a noname spare nokia batt for 5€, then swap bat after boot
Nov 04 21:34:04 <joerg_42> to charge 
Nov 04 21:34:37 <norro> joerg_42: okay
Nov 04 21:34:42 <norro> thanks
Nov 04 21:34:57 <joerg_42> np
Nov 04 21:35:55 <paulproteus> norro, Where are you based?
Nov 04 21:36:20 <joerg_42> ahh, one thing: removing SIM and sd might help (less power)
Nov 04 21:36:40 <norro> paulproteus: germany
Nov 04 21:36:51 <paulproteus> Cool.
Nov 04 21:37:06 <norro> is it? :)
Nov 04 21:37:10 <joerg_42> PLZ?
Nov 04 21:37:21 <norro> why?
Nov 04 21:37:43 <joerg_42> maybe we're neighbours :-)
Nov 04 21:38:03 <joerg_42> 90xxx here
Nov 04 21:38:04 <norro> i see! switched from 4422x to 8033x.
Nov 04 21:38:40 <norro> 90xxx is where? bavaria?
Nov 04 21:38:50 <joerg_42> yup. N
Nov 04 21:39:11 <toggles_w> soo.. anyone know why debian wont boot for me? I followed the guide, raun configure-uboot.sh get my menu but the phone just continously crashes/reboots 
Nov 04 21:39:41 <beniwtv> whoa! I lived in Bavaria before (near Regensburg). Now I'm in Spain, though
Nov 04 21:40:01 <joerg_42> cool :-)
Nov 04 21:40:04 <beniwtv> well, near Regensburg but well to the North
Nov 04 21:41:53 <norro> joerg_42: so i can come by and you fix my freerunner? ;)
Nov 04 21:42:45 <joerg_42> maybe :-) not for next 7 weeks tho. TPE ;-)
Nov 04 21:44:35 <beniwtv> toggles_w: do you see any error message before it crashes / reboots?
Nov 04 21:45:27 <beniwtv> Also, sometimes the packages can be corrupted (they're using sid). In that case, you can try in another day (or two).
Nov 04 21:45:29 <toggles_w> beniwtv: actually, it's weird.. says it can't read uImage
Nov 04 21:45:39 <toggles_w> do i need to update uboot to read ext2?
Nov 04 21:45:53 <beniwtv> toggles_w: yes
Nov 04 21:46:16 <beniwtv> or use a fat partition as the first partition and the rest ext2
Nov 04 21:46:28 <toggles_w> beniwtv: thanks, i will look for a uboot
Nov 04 21:47:59 <beniwtv> toggles_w: I think it was also explained on the Wiki on debian.org,.... uboot must be at least 200805 + IIRC
Nov 04 21:48:01 <opentrinity> anyone could help me with audio propblem after suspend?
Nov 04 21:49:50 <toggles_w> beniwtv: yeah, but it's fine print, real men don't read the instructions ;-)
Nov 04 21:50:34 <toggles_w> beniwtv: much better, found and booting, thanks
Nov 04 21:50:47 <beniwtv> toggles_w: np
Nov 04 21:53:49 <Daramarak> opentrinity: there is some information about this on the wik, have you read it?
Nov 04 21:54:36 <opentrinity> i read there is a bug...removing navit and speech...they solve it
Nov 04 21:54:42 <opentrinity> but this is not my case
Nov 04 21:55:54 <opentrinity> ...audio works...but after suspend doesn't work....
Nov 04 21:56:16 <opentrinity> sorry not all...audio mplayer works...only rongtones
Nov 04 21:56:34 <opentrinity> does'nt work
Nov 04 21:56:51 <opentrinity> OMG sorry for mistakes
Nov 04 21:57:49 <beniwtv> opentrinity: don't worry :)
Nov 04 21:58:00 <beniwtv> we all make mistakes
Nov 04 21:58:05 <opentrinity> :-)
Nov 04 21:58:40 <DocScrutinizer2> that's more fun :-)
Nov 04 21:58:50 <opentrinity> ?
Nov 04 21:59:01 <DocScrutinizer2> ;-)
Nov 04 21:59:29 <DocScrutinizer2> no mistakes, no  fun
Nov 04 21:59:36 <opentrinity> anyone could help me to debug the audio problem...
Nov 04 22:00:23 <beniwtv> opentrinity: sorry to not be more of a help, but I never got that problem here...
Nov 04 22:00:37 <Kensan> DocScrutinizer2: I am trying to get my debugboard working with my FR. Would you know why I get /dev/ttyUSB0-3 instead of only 0 and 1 like it says in the wiki?
Nov 04 22:00:38 <toggles_w> is there a keboard for debian?
Nov 04 22:00:50 <Kensan> it's a v3 debugboard
Nov 04 22:01:06 <beniwtv> toggles_w: if you have the default install, it should be on the AUX button
Nov 04 22:01:32 <DocScrutinizer2> Kensan: no, sorry :-/
Nov 04 22:01:50 <toggles_w> beniwtv: thanks mate, you're full of answers!
Nov 04 22:02:08 <Kensan> DocScrutinizer2: ok thanks.
Nov 04 22:02:13 <beniwtv> toggles_w: np :P
Nov 04 22:02:19 <toggles_w> sweet, so now all we need is illume ;-)
Nov 04 22:02:51 <beniwtv> yeah... but I run XFCE currently with the matchbox WM, and I'm modding it into a smartphone
Nov 04 22:03:02 <beniwtv> and it works quite well...
Nov 04 22:03:10 <toggles_w> cool
Nov 04 22:09:42 <Kensan> mwester: ping
Nov 04 22:10:35 <Kensan> hm.. I am only getting garbled output on the serial console.
Nov 04 22:11:42 <beniwtv> well, gotta go
Nov 04 22:12:29 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03werner * r4752 10/developers/werner/scr2ppm.pl: Added command for taking a screen dump from a shell, not only with JTAG.
Nov 04 22:33:43 <Daramarak> This alsamixer is too much for me. Anyone got a clue how I can get music on both ears on my headphones (jack, not bt)
Nov 04 22:47:00 <ccfly> good night :)
Nov 04 22:52:32 <DocScrutinizer2> Daramarak: alsactl restore -f /usr/share/scenarios/stereoheadset.state
Nov 04 22:54:56 <Daramarak> DocScrutinizer2: Cannot Open, no such file or directory
Nov 04 22:55:29 <DocScrutinizer2> missing "openmoko" somewhere in the path ;-)
Nov 04 22:55:43 <Dave> Kensan, still getting that weird usb dbb issue? :p
Nov 04 22:55:58 <Dave> Joerg - Missing Openmoko somewhere in development is more like it :p
Nov 04 22:56:05 <Dave> or the other way around
Nov 04 22:57:34 <DocScrutinizer2> ~muffle dave
Nov 04 22:58:13 <DocScrutinizer2> hi Dave :-)
Nov 04 22:59:34 <Daramarak> I do not have a stereoheadset.state, but a headset.state
Nov 04 22:59:41 <Daramarak> is that it?
Nov 04 22:59:50 <Daramarak> Doc?
Nov 04 22:59:53 <DocScrutinizer2> sound good
Nov 04 23:00:21 <zogg_> night night
Nov 04 23:00:32 <DocScrutinizer2> should switch on headset mode in amp
Nov 04 23:00:45 <Daramarak> Yes it did, thank you very much
Nov 04 23:00:51 <DocScrutinizer2> np
Nov 04 23:00:57 <DocScrutinizer2> :-)
Nov 04 23:02:58 <Daramarak> I was thinking of the batteryproblem norro, and a load of others have. If the problem is that the FR uses to much power to power it from the charger, wouldn't it be possible to start it in another state, with the screen turned off and other power consuming parts?
Nov 04 23:04:04 <Dave> Joerg - hey, don't you muffle me, mister! :P
Nov 04 23:04:10 <DocScrutinizer> that's what new uboot actually tries to do. First brownout however is before we can set any state, during reset of CPU
Nov 04 23:04:45 * DocScrutinizer throws sweet waffles on Dave
Nov 04 23:04:48 <Daramarak> Ah, I see
Nov 04 23:05:34 <Dave> :D
Nov 04 23:05:46 <Dave> I'm so sweet now!
Nov 04 23:06:36 <Daramarak> So when the device gets its juice it is built in such a way that it powers up everything before the software even runs?
Nov 04 23:07:10 <Daramarak> Then there is not much hope for a SW solution at all
Nov 04 23:09:13 <Daramarak> Except refusing to power up when the battery has critical low power, so that the brownouts is less likely to happen.
Nov 04 23:25:56 <Dave> KenYoung!
Nov 04 23:26:40 <KenYoung> Hi Dave, what's new tonight?
Nov 04 23:27:13 <Dave> I might test 2.2 more if I have time :)
Nov 04 23:27:24 <Dave> So if you don't hear feedback from me tonight, expect it soon :)
Nov 04 23:27:30 <KenYoung> Please, please please send suggestions for changes.
Nov 04 23:27:38 <Dave> I have a big project deadline tomorrow, but I'm eager to play with it.
Nov 04 23:27:48 <Dave> I'm even more inclined since it gets darker sooner now!
Nov 04 23:27:48 <Dave> :D
Nov 04 23:29:42 <KenYoung> I'd be interested in your ideas about how I should handle time.   Almost everything is displayed in UT now, and I'm sure that will be off-putting to many users.   One the other hnad, since you can set the time and location to anywhere (well, from 3000 BC to 3000 AD), it's hard for me to figure out how to show local times in a way that is not confusing.
Nov 04 23:30:15 <Dave> Yeah, such as myself :)
Nov 04 23:30:17 <mokolade> yiihaa! I did a reinstall of Android and now GSM works. I can make and recieve calls :)
Nov 04 23:30:29 <Dave> mokolade, I hope it lasts :)
Nov 04 23:30:43 <Dave> Ken, I'll take a look at that :)
Nov 04 23:30:53 <KenYoung> Please do.   I need ideas.
Nov 04 23:31:01 <lindi-> mokolade: can you log the traffic it is sending to /dev/ttySAC0?
Nov 04 23:31:19 <Dave> lindi is hungry for your debug logs :)
Nov 04 23:32:25 <mokolade> have no clue how to do that
Nov 04 23:33:16 <mokolade> I can ping the phone when connected to USB on 192.168.0.202 but there is no sshd 
Nov 04 23:33:47 <mokolade> and with no on-screen-keyboard I can not do anythin on the phone
Nov 04 23:35:54 <Fougner> ;D
Nov 04 23:36:32 <Dave> cool
Nov 04 23:37:47 <mokolade> but I am impressed about Android on the FreeRunner. It's pretty fast compared to OM200X, FSO, FDOM... 
Nov 04 23:38:17 <Dave> but unusable as of presently?
Nov 04 23:38:23 <Dave> or pretty useless, in your opinion?
Nov 04 23:39:07 <Dave> Rui.
Nov 04 23:39:07 <mokolade> without WIFI, GPS it's pretty useless compared to the other distros
Nov 04 23:39:13 <Dave> :]
Nov 04 23:39:37 <[Rui]> Dave: heya!
Nov 04 23:39:42 <mokolade> but HEY I can make/recieve calls :P
Nov 04 23:39:54 <mokolade> and show off :)
Nov 04 23:39:57 <[Rui]> mokolade: so do I, with the DAILY even
Nov 04 23:40:07 <KenYoung> mokolade, How good is the sound on calls?
Nov 04 23:40:40 <mokolade> I have used FDOM the last couple of months, have been working prety good
Nov 04 23:40:50 <[Rui]> btw, paroli question... can I run paroli if I installed qtopia? can I simply prevent qtopia from running by moving aside the script from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/?
Nov 04 23:41:22 <Dave> cool
Nov 04 23:41:39 <trains> mokolade: before you did the reinstall what appeared onscreen when you booted android?
Nov 04 23:42:40 <mokolade> I hope they can make framework in C++ or something so it uses less memory, with OM200X, FDOM the Freerunner have very little memory left if ANY...
Nov 04 23:43:44 <ronny> mokolade: im desperately hoping for vala - dbus is just pain in c++
Nov 04 23:44:31 <Dave> heh
Nov 04 23:48:25 <trains> mokolade: you said "mokolade: yiihaa! I did a reinstall of Android and now GSM works. I can make and recieve calls :)" did you simply reflashed Sean McNeil images?
Nov 04 23:48:43 <Fougner> :D
Nov 04 23:48:59 <Dave> I think he was also being a tad overzealous.
Nov 04 23:50:39 <ljp> isnt that illegal?
Nov 04 23:50:46 <ljp> being overzealous
Nov 04 23:51:21 <mokolade> trains: the same as now, exept now GSM suddenly works 
Nov 04 23:51:36 <mokolade> KenYoung: The clock is 2AM here so I have not had the chance to test audio quality yet..
Nov 04 23:51:46 <Daramarak> My predictive keyboard had some icons in the top right corner, but now they are gone. They had a choice for a terminal mode that made all keys accessable. Do anyone know what I have to do to reenable them=
Nov 04 23:51:49 <Daramarak> them?
Nov 04 23:52:14 <KenYoung> mokolade, OK, I'm sure a lot of people will want to hear your results, when you can get them.
Nov 04 23:52:38 <mokolade> well, I did infact not reinstall, I just repartition and formatted the SD card and copyed some images on the fat partition
Nov 04 23:52:59 <mokolade> it used some more time during boot, I think it scans for images/music on the SD card
Nov 04 23:53:46 <mokolade> I really do not know WHY GSM suddenly worked
Nov 04 23:54:13 <mokolade> I did not believe it was implemented
Nov 04 23:54:29 <trains> mine presents a gray box in the botton saying that it's locked, to press menu to unlock. when i press menu it asks for the PIN, i enter the pin and it always say the PIN is incorrect
Nov 04 23:54:46 <mokolade> It was a positive surprise :)
Nov 04 23:55:11 <trains> and after ~30 sec, it goes black and bye bye
Nov 04 23:55:17 <mokolade> i disabled the pin the day I got my freerunner
Nov 04 23:55:30 <trains> hum
Nov 05 00:04:42 <trains> IT WORKS!!! :)
Nov 05 00:04:58 <trains> i disabled the pin and i just made a call :)
Nov 05 00:07:20 <Fougner> heh
Nov 05 00:08:29 <Fougner> I try to install debian, but the installscript tells me:
Nov 05 00:08:32 <Fougner>  Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card.  You need to
Nov 05 00:08:32 <Fougner>    stop it with `/etc/init.d/qpe stop` or `killall qpe`    
Nov 05 00:08:32 <Fougner>    and then restart the installation!
Nov 05 00:09:57 <mokolade> trains: go in to settings / sound & display / screen timeout and disable timeout
Nov 05 00:09:57 <mokolade> then it wont go black on you :)
Nov 05 00:10:44 <mokolade> trains: great ;)
Nov 05 00:17:34 <trains> mokolade: that is my current problem :) I will try that
Nov 05 00:18:08 <Dave> once you go android you never go back?
Nov 05 00:18:10 <Dave> eh mokolade?
Nov 05 00:18:33 <trains> mokolade: do you see a terrible flickering in animations?
Nov 05 00:19:10 <mokolade> Dave: what I really want is Debian! Love the freedom of a regular linux distro. but with a phone interface (not zhone)
Nov 05 00:19:46 <Ainulindale> mokolade: try SHR :-)
Nov 05 00:19:55 <Ainulindale> Or the SHR tools on top of debian
Nov 05 00:20:05 <mokolade> thats the only thing I haven't tried
Nov 05 00:20:12 <mokolade> okey
Nov 05 00:20:14 <Ainulindale> And that's the only thing I run for a month
Nov 05 00:20:21 <Ainulindale> Ok, I'm partial, I'm a SHR developer
Nov 05 00:20:30 <Ainulindale> But nevertheless, it's usable on a day to day basis :-)
Nov 05 00:20:52 <mokolade> that's cool :)
Nov 05 00:22:28 <Dave> SHR!
Nov 05 00:22:34 <Fougner> Ainulindale, I'm trying to install debian now, afterwards you can help me ;)
Nov 05 00:24:57 <Ainulindale> Fougner: Won't now
Nov 05 00:25:02 <Ainulindale> It's 01:24 here
Nov 05 00:25:07 <Ainulindale> I ought to sleep
Nov 05 00:25:12 <Ainulindale> But I'm looking at CNN
Nov 05 00:25:40 <Ainulindale> And I'm amazed at the stupidity level reached by it
Nov 05 00:25:57 <Ainulindale> They just showed an hologram journalist
Nov 05 00:26:10 <mokolade> I'll have to try that one day
Nov 05 00:26:11 <Ainulindale> s/showed/shew/
Nov 05 00:26:12 <apt> Ainulindale meant: They just shew an hologram journalist
Nov 05 00:26:19 <Ainulindale> Oh anyway, too tired to speak correctly
Nov 05 00:26:47 <Fougner> Ainulindale, oh, we're in the same timezone then ;D
Nov 05 00:27:48 <mwester_> The stupidity of American network TV and the tragedy that Americans call "journalism" is on display to the world today.  Sorry. :(
Nov 05 00:28:53 <Ainulindale> Fougner: Paris here
Nov 05 00:29:18 <Ainulindale> mwester_: Don't think that french journalism is better
Nov 05 00:29:35 <Ainulindale> There are ties between journalists and politicians here
Nov 05 00:29:45 <Ainulindale> Untold, but existing
Nov 05 00:30:01 <Fougner> Ainulindale, oh nice =)
Nov 05 00:30:40 <mwester_> I keep wondering when journalism was made to be "entertainment", with special effects and productions.
Nov 05 00:30:46 <mokolade> can I find some SHR images anywhere for some quick testing?
Nov 05 00:30:50 <Fougner> not the journalists.. you live in Paris, that's nice
Nov 05 00:31:06 <Ainulindale> mokolade: shr.bearstech.com
Nov 05 00:31:09 * mwester_ has never been to Paris
Nov 05 00:31:15 <Ainulindale> There's currently two problems we know about
Nov 05 00:31:18 <Ainulindale> Two majors problem I mean
Nov 05 00:31:31 <Ainulindale> There's a bug with frameworkd suspend and GSM resource
Nov 05 00:31:31 * Fougner has been in Paris twice at least
Nov 05 00:31:34 <Ainulindale> Causing the daemon to fail
Nov 05 00:31:38 <Ainulindale> I will fix that on wednesday
Nov 05 00:31:38 <trains> mokolade: did you made any phone call?
Nov 05 00:31:48 <Ainulindale> And a bug due to the version of shared-mime-info in OE
Nov 05 00:31:55 <Ainulindale> That will also be settled wednesday
Nov 05 00:32:04 <mokolade> Ainulindale: thanks, shall download and test some tomorrow :)
Nov 05 00:32:15 <Ainulindale> mokolade: remember
Nov 05 00:32:17 <mokolade> trains: only from my nokia to my freerunner and back
Nov 05 00:32:18 <Ainulindale> first boot is long
Nov 05 00:32:20 <Ainulindale> that's normal
Nov 05 00:32:23 <mokolade> okei
Nov 05 00:32:23 <Ainulindale> other boots aren't
Nov 05 00:32:33 <Dave> Mwester - you didn't miss much
Nov 05 00:32:43 <Ainulindale> And at boot, wait for the PIN window before trying to use apps and complain about the fact they don't work :-)
Nov 05 00:32:47 <Dave> Mwester, if you ever go, don't carry a wallet.
Nov 05 00:32:48 <Ainulindale> They currently need SIM PIN registration
Nov 05 00:33:02 <Ainulindale> Once I'll fix the GSM issue I'll fix this asweel
Nov 05 00:33:06 <Ainulindale> s/weel/well/
Nov 05 00:33:06 <apt> Ainulindale meant: Once I'll fix the GSM issue I'll fix this aswell
Nov 05 00:33:15 <mokolade> so I have to enable the pin again on the sim card?
Nov 05 00:33:24 <Ainulindale> Ah, you don't have pin
Nov 05 00:33:30 <Ainulindale> then don't mind what I said
Nov 05 00:33:33 <Ainulindale> It'll work
Nov 05 00:33:36 <mokolade> :)
Nov 05 00:33:48 <trains> mokolade:  did you notice the very low sound on the Neo side?
Nov 05 00:33:50 <Ainulindale> If it fails though, wait a minute or so, frameworkd may be long to settle at first
Nov 05 00:34:01 <Ainulindale> If you see the network registered in illume, it'll work
Nov 05 00:34:06 <mokolade> trains: yes
Nov 05 00:35:06 <Ainulindale> This man on CNN looks a lot like Lex Luthor
Nov 05 00:35:46 <ljp> it is Lex
Nov 05 00:35:49 <Dave> It's a conspiracy!
Nov 05 00:35:52 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 05 00:35:57 <Dave> Wait, is Lex Luthor running for president?
Nov 05 00:36:02 <Dave> I wasn't aware that he was.
Nov 05 00:36:23 <Ainulindale> Dave: He's also tok hold of your brain
Nov 05 00:36:25 <Ainulindale> +o
Nov 05 00:36:29 <Ainulindale> Please reboot the universe at once
Nov 05 00:37:13 <mwester_> "Midnight at the Well of Souls", I believe.
Nov 05 00:37:38 <Ainulindale> Too bad the results are tonight, I'd like to see them live
Nov 05 00:37:38 <mwester_> (where Nathan Brazil rebooted the universe, once again)
Nov 05 00:38:01 <Ainulindale> mwester_: Are we talking about the same cucumber error facts ?
Nov 05 00:38:07 <mwester_> Ainulindale: Bah.  The results won't be visible until a year or so.
Nov 05 00:38:15 <Ainulindale> mwester_: heh :-)
Nov 05 00:38:26 <Ainulindale> I forgot you were old, hence living in florida
Nov 05 00:38:43 <mwester_> :p  Chicago.  I *KNOW* what the results will be.
Nov 05 00:38:55 <Ainulindale> And what will they be then ?
Nov 05 00:39:52 <mwester_> Remember Al Capone?  The Chicago Mob didn't go away, they just discovered politics -- more brutal, and more profitable.
Nov 05 00:40:13 <Ainulindale> I can't say if you're dead serious or dead sarcastic :-)
Nov 05 00:40:21 <mwester_> Both.
Nov 05 00:40:29 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 05 00:40:33 <Ainulindale> You filthy swine
Nov 05 00:41:34 <Ainulindale> Anyway, going to bed now, else I won't have the strength to whine tomorrw
Nov 05 00:41:36 <Ainulindale> +o
Nov 05 00:41:40 <mwester_> gn
Nov 05 00:41:42 <Ainulindale> (Damn crappy connection, eats my keys)
Nov 05 00:41:49 <mwester_> :)
Nov 05 00:42:05 <Ainulindale> mwester_: Good luck surviving the riots
Nov 05 00:42:06 <mwester_> yeah, yeah - blame the connection.  We know you're shorting us keystrokes!
Nov 05 00:42:26 <mwester_> Ainulindale: heh!  That's what my wife said as she left for work this evening.
Nov 05 00:42:35 <Ainulindale> mwester_: I gave my "o" key as a warranty for my mortgage
Nov 05 00:43:09 <Ainulindale> Anyway, off I go. See you
Nov 05 00:43:13 <mwester_> I told her that I'd sic my dog on any Obamites that come after me with pitchforks and torches ;)
Nov 05 00:47:27 <ljp> meanie
Nov 05 00:48:40 <mwester_> Yep.  Death by yappy little dog.  Terrible way to go...
Nov 05 00:49:38 <ljp> yappies are the worst
Nov 05 00:54:14 <braydon> anyone else get a dependency problem with install mplayer?
Nov 05 00:54:15 <mokolade> cya
Nov 05 00:54:33 <braydon>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for mplayer: *  mplayer-common *  libmp3lame0 (>= 3.96.1) * 
Nov 05 00:55:20 <mwester_> I wonder if that's a side effect of some recent OM changes in the feeds...
Nov 05 00:56:12 <mwester_> If I understand correctly, certain libraries that are potentially "issues" are not going to be in the official feeds, much like distros such as Fedora do not include those libs.
Nov 05 00:56:23 <mwester_> mp3 is one such problematic technology.
Nov 05 00:56:56 <braydon> i see.
Nov 05 00:57:11 <braydon> what about mplayer-common?
Nov 05 00:57:35 <mwester_> Can't say about that one.
Nov 05 00:58:12 <mwester_> Perhaps it's an inconsistency in the feeds that will be cleared up with the nightly build?
Nov 05 00:59:28 <braydon> I am also not able to download the sig files....
Nov 05 00:59:37 <braydon> libmp3lame0
Nov 05 00:59:41 <braydon> oops
Nov 05 00:59:51 <braydon> "Signature check failed"
Nov 05 01:05:48 <mokolade> well, here goes nothing. booting SHR for the first time...
Nov 05 01:05:58 <mokolade> what profile should I select?
Nov 05 01:09:14 <slaxxin> shr looked real nice
Nov 05 01:09:32 <Dave> This CNN.com feature is optimized for Adobe Flash Player version 8 or higher.
Nov 05 01:09:33 <Dave> You are currently using Flash Player 0
Nov 05 01:10:48 <ljp> flash this!
Nov 05 01:10:57 <Dave> That's what I said!
Nov 05 01:12:20 <mokolade> I want more RAM for gta03, preferable 256MB
Nov 05 01:13:03 <mokolade> on another note, SHR looks good :)
Nov 05 01:13:15 <mokolade> it's working too :)
Nov 05 01:13:32 <Fougner> mokolade, SHR, would you please give a short explanation of what it is?
Nov 05 01:14:27 <mokolade> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/   -   screenshots: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots
Nov 05 01:15:16 <braydon> was just looking at the screenies... could be worth a try
Nov 05 01:16:12 <mokolade> you can change profiles, making it look a little different
Nov 05 01:17:34 <Dave> KenYoung, you around?
Nov 05 01:21:35 <braydon> mokolade, are you installing on the card?
Nov 05 01:30:20 <Fougner> mokolade, wow... looks like a very simple solution.. perfectly simple
Nov 05 01:36:52 <Fougner> hmm, think I should try SHR out
Nov 05 01:36:55 <Fougner> nite
Nov 05 01:37:56 <trains> In SHR, how do i shutdown?
Nov 05 01:39:35 <mokolade1> hmfr, lost connection for a while...
Nov 05 02:36:52 <Dave> KenYoung, How do I zoom OUT, conveniently, once zoomed in on a particular area?
Nov 05 02:40:27 <swc|666> in Soviet Russia, zoom out not very convenient
Nov 05 02:42:02 <Dave> Guess not
Nov 05 02:42:15 <Dave> spy satellites too busy filming themselves ;p
Nov 05 02:52:38 <swc|666> lol
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