**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 05 02:59:57 2008 Nov 05 03:44:36 i voted for cynthia mcsomthing or other Nov 05 04:17:20 -_- Nov 05 04:43:29 [Please be Patient]. Nov 05 04:43:29 bad ass game installing... Nov 05 04:49:17 hehe Nov 05 05:15:47 anyone else playing with android on their fr? Nov 05 05:16:18 i tried making a call just to play and it worked Nov 05 05:16:36 neato Nov 05 05:16:38 hey i have a question Nov 05 05:16:41 volume on my end was extreemly quiet, bit they said they could hear me fine Nov 05 05:16:52 so android is just a bare kernel with a java userspace right? Nov 05 05:17:05 do you actually get the chance to do anything underneath the java userspace? Nov 05 05:17:12 and a bunch of apps, yes :) Nov 05 05:17:24 that sucks Nov 05 05:17:32 maybe the java stuff can be ported to moko Nov 05 05:17:38 have a download link? sounds like tinkering time Nov 05 05:17:39 to a normal kernel and normal linux os Nov 05 05:17:54 *hmm* Nov 05 05:18:11 i wonder if i could install debian on the g1 and then android on top of that just for kicks Nov 05 05:18:51 nm, the wiki got updated Nov 05 05:18:54 or stuff the moko guts into the g1 case Nov 05 05:20:36 fsobian Nov 05 05:21:30 im DOOMed Nov 05 05:22:20 debian is a very good base system Nov 05 05:23:36 that also brings another poiitn up Nov 05 05:23:46 can we run android on say a laptop running linux? Nov 05 05:24:15 it wouldn't be too usefull but ... *hmmm* Nov 05 05:30:26 fso on desktop Nov 05 05:32:42 holymoo: why would you want that? Nov 05 05:33:22 well on desktop it would be pointless indeed Nov 05 05:33:33 i would want a normal linux underneath Nov 05 05:33:47 with the ability to basically 'move android' out of the way to do normal linuxy stuff Nov 05 05:33:49 android != normal linux Nov 05 05:34:04 and 'move android back' onto the screen to do normal android stuff Nov 05 05:34:07 sure Nov 05 05:34:13 its just a google java environment Nov 05 05:34:38 so the real question is can it be run on a normal linux os, #android guys say more or less Nov 05 05:34:50 i don't think anyone has tried but its an interesting question Nov 05 05:35:07 it would also mean we wouldn't haveto reinvent linux tools like ssh in the android environment all over again Nov 05 05:35:40 or you could theoretically swap around between the qt environment here and linux and android if one wanted to Nov 05 05:35:45 total hackability Nov 05 05:35:54 theoretically Nov 05 05:36:56 lol RIGHT! Nov 05 05:36:58 hehe Nov 05 05:37:01 if android apps could be run in parallell with whatever linux apps it would be coul Nov 05 05:37:41 like j2me apps Nov 05 05:38:18 feels like a worthier goal then runnig android on fr Nov 05 05:38:33 any good stuff we can make ipks with? Nov 05 05:38:35 Android has special kernel needs, so you would need an appropriately hacked up kernel. Then also consider that Android takes over your display at the fb level -- so you would need a dual display desktop if you wished to run any standard X11-based desktop utils. Nov 05 05:39:22 dual displays hmmmm Nov 05 05:39:25 mwester: ala the qtx stuff? Nov 05 05:39:46 fb stuffs Nov 05 05:39:58 When you look closely, Qt Extended and Android will be battling for the same space in the market, and that space is definetly NOT desktop. Nov 05 05:40:34 zash: Yes, same concept as qtx Nov 05 05:40:55 Implemented differently of course. Nov 05 05:42:03 I think that if one starts by sketching out Android's architecture, and the typcial desktop, you'll find they conflict. On the other hand, you'll find that FSO fits pefectly onto the desktop type of environment. Nov 05 05:43:39 So while Android is cool stuff indeed, it's a platform for phones and multimedia -- while debian on the FR with FSO is a linux handheld that can do phone-like things. Pick your choice --- but to make Android to desktop linux will be very, very hard. Nov 05 05:44:07 JMO. That and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. Nov 05 05:46:02 mwester i agree with a minor correction Nov 05 05:46:11 you must separate the software from hardware Nov 05 05:46:36 practical on desktop hardware Nov 05 05:46:39 their implementation simply makes it hard to consider their two separate Nov 05 05:46:59 well thats how i see moko too Nov 05 05:47:01 i mean frankly Nov 05 05:47:14 I'm not sure what you mean by "moko" Nov 05 05:47:29 if kde had the resources and cpus were more powerfull, kde4 could be slimmed down to fit on a moko like device Nov 05 05:47:43 then all you would really be doing ui wise is making plasmoids Nov 05 05:47:44 infact Nov 05 05:47:57 Android seams easier to push to more people, more phone-company-friendly... but if I can have both Android and normal linux, that's super sweet Nov 05 05:48:28 i'm kinda poking around making a simplified plasmoid based interface that sits on one of the desktops as a media center sort of deal that just calls up applications into it self full screen for the media center feel Nov 05 05:48:44 the ui approach could be modified further to fulfil small screen resolution requirements Nov 05 05:48:46 holymoo: the real issue for the handheld devices is not cpu or resources any longer; it's screen real estate. I think kde would run pretty well on the FR. Nov 05 05:49:10 mwester ye totally agree... this is why i say kde4 Nov 05 05:49:22 the plasmoids + containments idea is so flexible Nov 05 05:49:54 you could fairly easily come up with a 'maybe okay' ui fairly quickly for something like the moko Nov 05 05:49:59 I agree on that. Pesonally, I think that the Nokia tablets (N800, N810) are perfect examples. Nov 05 05:50:15 mwester: cpu and ram are still a premium. given the wat firefox chomps thru 100's of mb of ram Nov 05 05:50:16 yes indeed Nov 05 05:50:18 :) Nov 05 05:50:34 raster: one would imagine that you wouldn't actually run normal desktop apps tho Nov 05 05:50:40 you would run slimmed down opera Nov 05 05:50:45 raster: firefox will run my 4GB desktop out of memory, it leaks so badly. Nov 05 05:50:46 oh sure Nov 05 05:50:48 slimmed down media players like mplayer or something Nov 05 05:51:14 i dont see u doing "full desktop apps/de's ported" Nov 05 05:51:18 kde on fr just wont happen Nov 05 05:51:19 or ngome Nov 05 05:51:23 u need to specialise Nov 05 05:51:30 only "de" that has a chance is e Nov 05 05:51:39 (Thats modern and has features) Nov 05 05:51:41 imho Nov 05 05:51:46 The point is not any one particular program, or user interface -- it's that the FSO framework allows us to CHOOSE what we want, and even mix and match -- while Android does not. Nov 05 05:51:47 i don't know the kde4 famework enough Nov 05 05:51:52 but thats because it's been very much kept lean and optimised Nov 05 05:51:56 for just this purpose Nov 05 05:51:56 :) Nov 05 05:52:10 i guess if one were to start trying to create special libraries for devices like moko you would end up with the qt environment moko is using now anyway Nov 05 05:52:13 so you may have a point Nov 05 05:52:39 holymoo: qtx and android are not just specialized graphics libraries. Nov 05 05:52:51 i know the idea of an atom cpu based moko style device is out of the question, but perhaps in a few generatios lower powered cpus with similar power will be available Nov 05 05:53:16 mwester *nod* yeah i am oversimplified by a huge margin right Nov 05 05:53:21 you are right Nov 05 05:53:49 atom is a waste of breath Nov 05 05:53:49 imho Nov 05 05:54:03 its nowhere near an ARM in terms of performance per watt Nov 05 05:54:16 and the ARM's are event lagging behind some technology wafting under my nose Nov 05 05:54:20 far behind Nov 05 05:54:45 i give intel points for trying though Nov 05 05:54:46 :) Nov 05 05:54:52 yeah that seemed to be the genral opinion out there too Nov 05 05:55:02 raster - when do you expect to see that new tech publicly announced? Nov 05 05:55:08 atom is definitely the low end of x86 power consumption Nov 05 05:55:17 but its an entire world from the ARM's Nov 05 05:55:21 and MIPS etc. Nov 05 05:55:36 Ken_Young: u'll know when its public Nov 05 05:55:36 :) Nov 05 05:55:43 * raster has nda's to adhere to Nov 05 05:55:59 nada's Nov 05 05:56:01 lol! Nov 05 05:56:12 oh and just WHAT tech are we talking about here? Nov 05 05:56:14 hehehe Nov 05 05:56:33 holymoo: some very interesting "cpu" design Nov 05 05:56:38 and i put "cpu" in quotes... Nov 05 05:56:43 ehe neato Nov 05 05:56:56 yeah one of the neato cpu ides out there is the cell processor Nov 05 05:56:56 as if uu stand back a bit and look at it... it no longer really looks like one Nov 05 05:57:12 if sony wants to double the power of that machine they just throw more cells at it Nov 05 05:57:30 think of something like the cell Nov 05 05:57:38 raster good enuf :) Nov 05 05:57:41 you have my full attention Nov 05 05:57:43 hehe Nov 05 05:57:47 but 1/3000th of the power consumption Nov 05 05:57:55 that would be amazing Nov 05 05:58:00 That sort of really cool stuff is a bit of a problem in handhelds, though. :( Nov 05 05:58:38 The ideal world would have a set of processors and shared memory, instead of isolated GPS, GSM, etc. Nov 05 05:58:49 raster, very exciting thanks for the crumbs, good enough for me Nov 05 05:59:24 I hope it got lasers :) Nov 05 05:59:38 lol! :) Nov 05 05:59:45 * mwester will settle for a phaser. Set to stun. Nov 05 05:59:58 * holymoo straps a freerunner to a guppy Nov 05 06:00:03 fear my open source power Nov 05 06:00:15 lol Nov 05 06:03:23 * raster hums to himself and holds back from commenting .... la la la.... Nov 05 06:03:33 me too Nov 05 06:03:34 nb Nov 05 06:03:35 i hate my country Nov 05 06:03:43 the stuff i have nda's for will be open source Nov 05 06:03:47 fully openly programmable Nov 05 06:03:50 so its relevant Nov 05 06:04:24 That's good. Nov 05 06:04:56 its just that before its out and shipping all the nda goop is meant to keep it quiet Nov 05 06:04:58 My comment was aimed at the idea of an MP handheld device, Nov 05 06:05:07 i know Nov 05 06:05:14 i will just whistle and go "la la la" Nov 05 06:05:18 :) Nov 05 06:05:40 So we can assume there are three "la" cores? Nov 05 06:05:49 no Nov 05 06:06:00 "la la la la" Nov 05 06:06:07 actually Nov 05 06:06:08 where the close-source folks will have the ability to run the GSM and GPS as processes along with the rest of the stuff -- saving power, adding flexibility. But because of the various laws around GPS and GSM, the open-source community will be unable to use that stuff. :( Nov 05 06:06:17 "LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA la la la la" Nov 05 06:06:18 :) Nov 05 06:06:25 :) Nov 05 06:06:42 Funny how things just get REinvented. Nov 05 06:07:07 raster ... thats all well and good, but it might be best not to say any more Nov 05 06:07:11 get the damned thing out there Nov 05 06:07:14 and get it everywhere Nov 05 06:07:23 now Nov 05 06:07:27 need to write up this seminar... Nov 05 06:07:33 and make it so popular that all the other bozos go out of business Nov 05 06:07:44 i'm just tired of bad hardware Nov 05 06:07:45 :) Nov 05 06:08:00 * mwester is tired of bad software! Nov 05 06:08:19 mwester lol!! Nov 05 06:08:19 * rooly is tired of bad business practices and limited devices Nov 05 06:08:24 * holymoo looks at gnome Nov 05 06:08:27 *muahaha* Nov 05 06:08:30 kiding Nov 05 06:09:08 * raster hugs his e Nov 05 06:09:43 tbh...i've never seen the problem with gnome...i do most of my work in the terminal anyway Nov 05 06:10:30 rooly: doing stuff in terminals ftw Nov 05 06:10:32 :D Nov 05 06:11:45 screen + terminal + compiz wobly windows ftw Nov 05 06:11:47 dwm + shitloads of xterms = win Nov 05 06:12:02 and cube Nov 05 06:12:08 meh...cube gets old Nov 05 06:12:12 compiz gets old Nov 05 06:12:27 Impresses chicks ;) Nov 05 06:12:30 but compiz on the FR ftw Nov 05 06:12:31 scale is useful thou Nov 05 06:12:43 aka exposé clone Nov 05 06:12:55 who's with me Nov 05 06:12:58 compiz on the fr Nov 05 06:13:07 oh yeah! Nov 05 06:13:16 i don't see how it could integrate, but still Nov 05 06:13:27 whatsitcalled Nov 05 06:13:32 i dont know, but i would be cool Nov 05 06:13:35 it Nov 05 06:13:39 rooly: hehe Nov 05 06:13:42 i am always cool Nov 05 06:13:48 the htc touch fluffy ui thingy Nov 05 06:14:20 TouchFLO Nov 05 06:18:57 touch my flo! Nov 05 06:19:28 XBMC on the FR! Nov 05 06:19:30 cool to use the accelometers to flip the cube around :) Do the accelometers use much power by the way? Nov 05 06:20:04 tho fr wont do this Nov 05 06:20:09 unless u want to do 3d in software Nov 05 06:20:14 u wont be seeing gl accel for it Nov 05 06:20:19 zash: I thought about that earlier today, would be sweet, not all the components though, but some Nov 05 06:20:28 and gl even then will only be a happening thnig in qvga if it were done Nov 05 06:20:49 pump out gta03 already Nov 05 06:21:43 so is the gta02 considered a success? Nov 05 06:21:50 put the gta03 on hold already. Nov 05 06:21:51 is it basically sold out? Nov 05 06:22:20 There should be NO distractions while there are such fundamental problems and missing bits Nov 05 06:22:21 gta03 will be software 3d too Nov 05 06:22:21 :) Nov 05 06:22:29 if u want it Nov 05 06:22:34 imho dont worry about 3d Nov 05 06:22:36 its a gimmick Nov 05 06:22:42 apple do well without Nov 05 06:22:51 in fact i'd say much better than all the "3d hacks" Nov 05 06:23:21 mwester: kill gta03 and use a decent soc :) Nov 05 06:24:00 okay Nov 05 06:24:03 this is getting annoying Nov 05 06:24:14 i'm using qtopia extended ...4.4.2 Nov 05 06:24:16 soc? Nov 05 06:24:22 heh! yeah. We can summarize the reasoning behind using the same SOC as: "We know all the things that are broken about it". Yeah, that'll make a *better* device, won't it. Nov 05 06:24:27 copu Nov 05 06:24:29 fredrin: system on chip Nov 05 06:24:30 system on chip Nov 05 06:25:08 and it keeps waking up for incoming sms and then just quitting before it downloads the sms Nov 05 06:25:43 eg Nov 05 06:25:49 an omap 3530 Nov 05 06:25:56 with some spiffy ddr3 ram Nov 05 06:31:36 invent a shrink ray, find the most overkill gaming rig ever Nov 05 07:05:59 hi, what is the distro that has the best phone functionality at the moment? Nov 05 07:23:41 can someone tell me whom should i contact if i have a problem with administrating my project mailinglist? Nov 05 08:07:57 morning Nov 05 08:23:43 does 2008.9 come packed with the matchbox-keyboard? Nov 05 09:16:23 android's interface is cool, and probably better than all the moko distros (including qt extended) it's also a lot more responsive, though i still think i will boot my shr ;] Nov 05 09:18:20 is tangogps ported to Qtopia ? Nov 05 09:18:49 its listed here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner Nov 05 09:33:33 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=m4NbsLmF9j0 Nov 05 09:42:19 how do you get up the microsd-slot? :| Nov 05 09:42:54 take some small screw driver and use it to pull oben the slot Nov 05 09:43:06 or a gentle fingernail Nov 05 09:43:12 take care not to damage anything Nov 05 09:43:14 pull which way? Nov 05 09:43:19 up Nov 05 09:43:29 the slot is not locket (at GTA2) Nov 05 09:43:35 oh Nov 05 09:43:39 i got it open Nov 05 09:43:40 thanks Nov 05 09:47:24 is there anything special about micro-sdhc cards? Nov 05 09:47:43 no Nov 05 09:48:02 but maybe the glamo does not like the card. Nov 05 09:48:21 in this case you may need to tweak a bit with uboot-env variables to tune the clockrate Nov 05 09:48:49 i, for example, has a 8gb sdhc transcend card, working out of the box with recent kernels and recent uboot Nov 05 09:49:08 (they are not that recent, already out for about 10 weeks or so) Nov 05 09:50:16 alright Nov 05 09:52:14 yabo: got problems with your card? Nov 05 09:52:23 dont know yet Nov 05 09:55:55 is there anything special with om2008.9 and ssh? oØ Nov 05 09:56:02 i cant seem to get in.. Nov 05 09:56:10 yabo: what did you try? Nov 05 09:56:14 wait Nov 05 09:56:18 i could login right from the start Nov 05 09:56:22 there we go Nov 05 09:56:33 :-D Nov 05 09:56:34 how do i clear the host keys again? Nov 05 09:56:44 offending key Nov 05 09:56:48 either rm .ssh/known_hosts Nov 05 09:56:58 or edit it and del the line with your freerunner's ip Nov 05 09:57:08 ~/.ssh ... Nov 05 09:57:17 alright, thanks Nov 05 09:57:33 ssh-keygen -R IP/hostname Nov 05 09:57:54 cooool! Nov 05 10:00:16 how do i mount the card? :-S Nov 05 10:02:24 very carefully Nov 05 10:02:48 lol Nov 05 10:03:03 have you ever been working with linux before, yabo? Nov 05 10:03:17 console-linux, that is Nov 05 10:03:21 ubuntu doesn't count Nov 05 10:03:47 better ubuntu than xandros... Nov 05 10:03:52 heh Nov 05 10:03:57 i said working Nov 05 10:03:59 not toying Nov 05 10:04:08 you can actually work with ubuntu Nov 05 10:04:22 xandros on eeepc has openoffice too, iirc Nov 05 10:04:31 oh Nov 05 10:04:33 right Nov 05 10:04:36 uhm Nov 05 10:04:38 nm Nov 05 10:04:54 yes, tomboy64. but i am not a very advanced user. i tried running fdisk -l to find the card but nothing pops up Nov 05 10:05:07 hrm. hrm. install OOo on FR? Nov 05 10:05:19 yabo: cat /proc/partitions Nov 05 10:05:21 Wonka: that was what came to my mind Nov 05 10:05:38 Wonka: there's a bug in the build scripts, see bugs.debian.org Nov 05 10:05:45 ah Wonka, thanks a bunch. Nov 05 10:05:52 the values are displayed in megabytes? Nov 05 10:06:18 so 8192 mtdblock3 is probably my card, or? Nov 05 10:06:30 huh Nov 05 10:06:37 what distro are you using? Nov 05 10:06:41 2008.9 Nov 05 10:06:59 it should be something like mmcblk0 Nov 05 10:07:14 and mmcblk0p1 or mmcblk0p2 for the partitions Nov 05 10:07:22 mornin Nov 05 10:07:24 i have no mmcblks, only mtdblock0-6 Nov 05 10:07:28 morning Nov 05 10:07:36 interesting Nov 05 10:07:52 checked the wiki what it has to say bout sd? Nov 05 10:08:01 not yet Nov 05 10:08:07 do that Nov 05 10:08:11 * yabo checks the wiki and finds out what it has to say about sd Nov 05 10:08:17 i'll flash a new image on my fr Nov 05 10:08:17 been meaning to get involved for time now, still a little shakey but if you's don't mind me lurkin and gettin the vibe, I'm really enthusiastic about this project Nov 05 10:08:34 theblackbox: feel free :) Nov 05 10:08:41 I was just wondering if anyone had any experiencce with the Samsung Q1 (hope that's not ot?) Nov 05 10:09:06 theblackbox: what processor's it run on? Nov 05 10:09:19 i tried to mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card Nov 05 10:09:27 hm... I'm pretty sure it's an intel something Nov 05 10:09:31 I'll find the spec Nov 05 10:09:38 i was told to specify a filesystem typ Nov 05 10:09:40 type* Nov 05 10:09:42 how do i do that? Nov 05 10:09:58 theblackbox: the arch i meant Nov 05 10:10:17 yabo: specify where? Nov 05 10:10:30 mount i guess Nov 05 10:10:36 ah, should be x386 (if that's still standard) Nov 05 10:10:51 lol not in handhelds Nov 05 10:10:57 #mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card; mount: you must specify a filesystem type Nov 05 10:10:57 handhelds usually run arm Nov 05 10:11:04 Intel Celeron M ULV (900MHz) or Intel Pentium M ULV (1.1 / 1.2 GHz) Nov 05 10:11:08 theblackbox: either i386 or x86 Nov 05 10:11:17 yabo: -t vfat Nov 05 10:11:22 -t ext2 Nov 05 10:11:24 -t ext3 Nov 05 10:11:30 alright thanks Nov 05 10:11:32 by the way Nov 05 10:11:48 ext2 and ext3, the difference is that ext3 is loggin what happens.. is that right? Nov 05 10:11:54 yabo: yup Nov 05 10:12:06 you can mount an ext3 system also as an ext2 Nov 05 10:12:13 gah Nov 05 10:12:37 and extend an ext2 system painlessly with a journal Nov 05 10:13:08 #mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card -t ext2; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtdblock3, missing codepage or other error Nov 05 10:13:20 yabo: looks like it isn't Nov 05 10:13:35 yabo: probably not even formatted Nov 05 10:13:41 tomboy64, http://www.samsung.com/uk/business/b2b/products/notebooks/ultra_mobile/q1.htm Nov 05 10:13:42 try fdisk -l /dev/mtdblock3 Nov 05 10:13:47 mega sexy kit ;) Nov 05 10:14:07 disk /dev/mtdblock3 doesnt containt a valid partition table Nov 05 10:14:18 Genuine Windows Vista® Business Nov 05 10:14:22 wtf? Nov 05 10:14:23 I know Nov 05 10:14:30 * theblackbox vomits Nov 05 10:14:45 yabo: cause it ain't the sd :) Nov 05 10:15:12 are you sure? it is the only item in /proc/partitions that is big enough Nov 05 10:15:19 yabo: type mount Nov 05 10:15:22 just mount Nov 05 10:15:41 or mount | grep mmc Nov 05 10:15:57 no mmc in that list Nov 05 10:16:08 then it's not recognized Nov 05 10:16:17 what do i do? Nov 05 10:16:24 you're sure you manually installed it correctly? Nov 05 10:16:44 i put the card in the sd-slot, thats all ive done Nov 05 10:16:48 * theblackbox might be totally out of bounds, but would dmesg be a useful source of info? Nov 05 10:17:00 might be Nov 05 10:17:12 do i need to do anything else? Nov 05 10:17:21 uhm Nov 05 10:17:26 dmesg | grep -i mmc Nov 05 10:18:17 mmc_set_power(power_mode=1, vdd=20 Nov 05 10:18:30 mmc_set_power(power_mode=0, vdd=0 Nov 05 10:18:40 that's not enough Nov 05 10:18:52 mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address ca49 Nov 05 10:18:59 that's what you're looking for Nov 05 10:19:16 i suppose you haven't installed it correctly Nov 05 10:19:23 what can i try? Nov 05 10:19:28 shut down your freerunner and remove it Nov 05 10:19:35 look whether it is correctly installed Nov 05 10:19:43 tomboy64, what flavour is openmoko dev'd from? Nov 05 10:19:59 theblackbox: scratch Nov 05 10:20:02 uhm Nov 05 10:20:05 openembedded Nov 05 10:20:06 nice Nov 05 10:20:14 openembedded is from scratch Nov 05 10:20:21 openmoko is based on openembedded Nov 05 10:20:29 as well as angström, iirc Nov 05 10:23:54 i dont know, everything looks right tomboy64 Nov 05 10:24:04 the cover was sort of stuck though Nov 05 10:24:09 had to use some force to open it Nov 05 10:24:53 yabo, so you've taken the card out and replaced it? Nov 05 10:24:58 yeah Nov 05 10:25:05 booting now Nov 05 10:25:09 does the dmesg | grep mmc show anything different? Nov 05 10:25:12 ahh Nov 05 10:27:47 yeah Nov 05 10:27:52 alot of lines now Nov 05 10:28:02 I/O errors and stuff oØ Nov 05 10:28:11 you broke it :-P Nov 05 10:29:12 are you joking or? :p Nov 05 10:29:44 yabo: see infos at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Nov 05 10:29:54 especially https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 Nov 05 10:31:31 SDSDQ-008G-E12M Nov 05 10:31:35 is that the name? Nov 05 10:31:59 its not listed Nov 05 10:32:06 SDSDQ-008G-E11M is though Nov 05 10:32:58 yabo: mine ain't listed, either Nov 05 10:33:02 works like a charm Nov 05 10:33:18 anyway Nov 05 10:33:54 i guess i should format it? Nov 05 10:34:04 hehehe yup Nov 05 10:34:12 if you know you have the device ... Nov 05 10:34:19 yeah Nov 05 10:34:22 yabo: fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Nov 05 10:34:25 mmcblk0 Nov 05 10:34:36 yeah it exists Nov 05 10:34:41 then fdsik -l /dev/mmcblk0 Nov 05 10:34:44 gr Nov 05 10:34:50 fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Nov 05 10:36:13 hey all, i know its a bit unrelated but does anyone know how to partition an sd card from a windows os? Nov 05 10:36:36 lol Nov 05 10:36:51 with vfat it shouldn't be a problem Nov 05 10:36:57 right-click and format Nov 05 10:37:08 but ext2/ext3 you can forget Nov 05 10:37:34 or try google Nov 05 10:37:50 tomboy64, F4t asked about partitioning, not formatting Nov 05 10:37:59 and yes, its quite OT Nov 05 10:38:05 open the management console there you will find a partitionong tool Nov 05 10:38:16 Kamping_Kaiser: oh, my bad Nov 05 10:38:44 so how do i make it ext2? Nov 05 10:39:06 yabo, using $otheros Nov 05 10:39:20 command not found Nov 05 10:40:51 what do i do? Nov 05 10:41:13 yabo, use not-windows to format. Nov 05 10:41:24 i cant use the freerunner? Nov 05 10:41:38 i dont have a card-reader Nov 05 10:41:42 you could. mkfs.ext2 probably. Nov 05 10:41:48 oh yes mkfs Nov 05 10:41:51 thanks Nov 05 10:41:57 np Nov 05 10:42:06 http://linux.die.net/man/8/mkfs Nov 05 10:42:21 (sorry, gathered you wouldn't have man) Nov 05 10:44:02 :-) Nov 05 10:44:55 bah sorry, got disconnected... Nov 05 10:45:24 slalomsk8er, windows doesnt allow me to delete partitions and/or add new ones on a removable storage devcice = my sd card Nov 05 10:46:02 F4t Nov 05 10:46:07 i dont know about sd-cards Nov 05 10:46:17 but Partitionmagic is great for partitioning Nov 05 10:46:24 could give that a shot.. Nov 05 10:46:37 yabo, thanks ill give it a try... Nov 05 10:47:11 ok Nov 05 10:47:20 QTextended 4.4.2 - 138 new messages Nov 05 10:47:43 They didn't fix the cloning issue.. wish I knew how to submit a bug report for this show stopper Nov 05 10:47:52 * yabo cheers at tomboy64, Kamping_Kaiser, beni_ and theblackbox Nov 05 10:47:54 thanks a bunch! Nov 05 10:48:02 np mate :) Nov 05 10:48:27 F4t, it probably wont let you partition it while its mounted (fyi) Nov 05 10:48:31 mornin' Nov 05 10:49:44 Kamping_Kaiser, can windows actually unmount something? :) Nov 05 10:50:12 not sure if thats a trick question or not Nov 05 10:50:28 Kamping_Kaiser, gaaaaaaah, mounted! I tried to install Debian all night, and the installscript wrote errors like "qpe is trying to access the card, please kill it"... Nov 05 10:51:14 lol Nov 05 10:51:23 haha Nov 05 10:51:38 i lost the freerunner i installed debian on :( i'm starting to wonder if i'll find it again Nov 05 10:52:08 hmm, would unmounting be the solution? Nov 05 10:52:59 perhaps. dpends what qpe is and why its access the device Nov 05 10:53:37 Fougner, qpe is the qtopia GUI.. Nov 05 10:53:47 it is constantly accessing the sd card Nov 05 10:54:01 in the guide to installing debian it says you need to stop it.. Nov 05 10:54:06 /etc/init.d/qpe stop Nov 05 10:54:09 he he Nov 05 10:54:13 before installing debian Nov 05 10:54:26 is there anybody who builds gentoo stages? Nov 05 10:54:32 F4t, well, and if /etc/init.d/qpe doesn't exist? Nov 05 10:54:41 we can consider our work to porting gentoo =) Nov 05 10:55:01 Fougner, what operating system are you using? qtopia? or something else? Nov 05 10:55:15 I did use the 2008.9 =) Nov 05 10:56:36 you coudl try 'killall qpe' Nov 05 10:56:40 could* Nov 05 10:57:33 or quit the gui from the moko, or something... Nov 05 10:58:31 I tried killall qpe Nov 05 10:59:08 anyway, I'm installing it now as we speak... I flashed SHR and booted.. Nov 05 10:59:21 the debian script, that is Nov 05 11:00:45 the partitioning part went ok? Nov 05 11:01:08 yup Nov 05 11:01:21 what I can tell.. Nov 05 11:01:27 good luck then, im off to reboot after installing some partitioning tool... :) Nov 05 11:02:06 aha, bye ;) Nov 05 11:07:33 ah, they figured out root access on android Nov 05 11:19:36 balrog-k1n: you working with android on the OpenMoko? I can't get it to work with my sim card, keeps complainin the pin code is wrong... Nov 05 11:20:04 F|nger: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-started-with-android-on-neo.html Nov 05 11:20:15 you need to disable PIN security on the sim Nov 05 11:20:16 thanks Nov 05 11:20:44 dolf1074: ok, lemme read that page; thanks for the hint ;) Nov 05 11:21:23 F|nger: i'm not Nov 05 11:21:34 The speed seems impressive.. hopefully we can get a working on-screen keyboard and working hardware stack sooner than later Nov 05 11:21:58 I also hope it sooner than later :) Nov 05 11:22:39 well, there is a onscreen keyboard in testing on Android, so that should speed things up Nov 05 11:22:59 testing on Android? Nov 05 11:23:06 it would be cool if someone modified all the paths to live together with a normal unix directory layout and packaged it all in ipkg or debian packages Nov 05 11:24:10 Shlee: what do you mean by testing on Android? Nov 05 11:25:09 I'm looking for the list. someone was working on a keyboard for G1/official repo patch Nov 05 11:26:12 Nice, hope it will land soon :) Nov 05 11:27:57 Out of interest, what is working? Nov 05 11:28:10 framebuffer? x? Nov 05 11:28:28 touch? speakers? mic? wifi? GPS? Nov 05 11:28:31 The gui is working Nov 05 11:28:39 touch is workgin Nov 05 11:28:45 sound is working Nov 05 11:28:51 some people can call Nov 05 11:28:56 all the rest isn't working Nov 05 11:29:13 That's impressive for a week.. Nov 05 11:29:25 wifi doesn't work yet Nov 05 11:29:27 gps too Nov 05 11:29:28 Hopefully the OM kernel patches can be used Nov 05 11:29:29 but however Nov 05 11:29:37 Yes, but Sean had early access to the source of Android Nov 05 11:29:41 that kernel is older and the android built too Nov 05 11:29:48 So Sean is already busy for longer than a week Nov 05 11:29:59 sean works on android porting for a years Nov 05 11:30:06 though it's still impressive Nov 05 11:30:07 year Nov 05 11:30:19 however I don't like it :) Nov 05 11:30:21 i prefer SHR Nov 05 11:30:33 I like the idea behind SHR Nov 05 11:30:44 But there's not much yet Nov 05 11:30:56 and the gui isn't that handy/inuitive Nov 05 11:31:26 Hire: My OM seems to have a real heavily buzz/echo.. I need to wait for them to fix those Nov 05 11:31:30 for now :) Nov 05 11:31:43 android? ahah, absolutely not Nov 05 11:32:02 if you want to fix the buzz and echo you can test the lastest FSO, SHR and OM testing Nov 05 11:32:14 android doesn't resolv those issues Nov 05 11:33:15 I know, therefor openmoko has to focus on the back to basic strategy :p Nov 05 11:33:34 Hire: Agreed. I'll test SHR if you recommend the latest stable? Nov 05 11:33:53 SHR isn't release test Nov 05 11:34:00 SHR isn't released yet Nov 05 11:34:38 for now Nov 05 11:34:43 test the OM testing Nov 05 11:34:46 Having a base release is a brilliant idea. and fixing the bigger issues will restore alot of faith in the project Nov 05 11:36:53 om needs to leave that crap of qtopia Nov 05 11:37:09 and help projects as fso and paroli to grow Nov 05 11:37:29 and we need an help from the community for SHR Nov 05 11:41:56 I know, but I can't find a manual for start to hack on the applications Nov 05 11:43:06 and I don't like working with bb. It takes to long and you can easily screw up your configuration and you need to start all over againg Nov 05 11:43:27 there aint no manuals for anything related to openmoko yet ... Nov 05 11:45:26 heh, manuals, thats called the source :-D Nov 05 12:02:46 wtf! Nov 05 12:02:50 uhm Nov 05 12:03:01 Hire: your icons are available as a package? :-D Nov 05 12:03:37 for now, no Nov 05 12:03:52 because Ainulindale doesn't respond to me about that Nov 05 12:05:38 :-( Nov 05 12:05:51 can i get them somewhere? as pngs? Nov 05 12:07:00 Hire: ? Nov 05 12:07:14 uhm Nov 05 12:07:19 i can upload them ... Nov 05 12:07:24 but... i am pretty lazy Nov 05 12:07:42 so why don't you wait when the pack is ready? Nov 05 12:07:56 it will be released very very soon Nov 05 12:08:10 once again stupid poll: is this bad? Nov 05 12:08:13 gah Nov 05 12:08:25 http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/mokoback_02.jpg Nov 05 12:15:00 openmoko: 03erin * r9c8c832f77f4 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [gsm/ficgta01] send SIM ready if we get %CSTAT: PHB,1 or %CSTAT: SMS, 1, Nov 05 12:15:00 openmoko: 03erin * r9f0eb58ab7cc 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [gsm/ficgta01] set Phone full functionality from AT+CFUN=0 to AT+CFUN=1 Nov 05 12:34:25 *angst* Nov 05 12:34:26 rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c Nov 05 12:34:26 rxerr: port ch=0xb5, rxs=0x00000001 Nov 05 12:34:32 what's that in my dmesg? Nov 05 12:34:39 (there's more of it) Nov 05 12:41:54 Wonka: dont worry, your phone just has been hacked and now failed in downloading (recieving) porn Nov 05 12:42:19 pff Nov 05 12:42:25 hello Nov 05 12:42:38 I have succesfully suggested to some people that OpenMoko might be a good platform Nov 05 12:42:43 now I need to show a demo Nov 05 12:42:51 how do you suggested demostrating web browsing? Nov 05 12:43:10 what kernel/image/whatever combination could run stable GPRS and browser? Nov 05 12:46:48 heh Nov 05 12:47:30 ke: so am I in deep trouble? Nov 05 12:47:47 debian, firefox? Nov 05 12:47:51 hello! Nov 05 12:48:00 someone running debian on the FR? :D Nov 05 12:48:06 you can get gprs working but i have not tried it, it does not matter about the image Nov 05 12:48:22 Fougner i have tested it out ages ago Nov 05 12:48:29 Fougner: yes. see #openmoko-debian too. Nov 05 12:51:49 hmm, I'm trying it right now, and I think I'm in Zhone.. bluish interface.. but how do I get to the fun stuff? Nov 05 12:52:07 the only thing I'm able to click is settings-icon Nov 05 12:53:31 Hi, building fso via the makefile for gta02 I have come to a full stop : Cannot find package gst-plugin-mad Nov 05 12:53:49 Any hints? Nov 05 12:55:04 macc: I solved it by replacing gst-plugin-mad with gst-plugin-ugly in packages/gstreamer/gst-meta-base_0.10.bb Nov 05 12:55:48 Thanks a lot, I'le try that. Nov 05 12:55:48 macc: but its not correct solution Nov 05 12:57:49 what would constitute the proper incantation? Nov 05 12:59:31 gst-plugin-mad http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~bilboed/gst-plugins-ugly/tree/ext/mad is in gst-plugins-ugly, but I haven't checked if its actually builded with it in OE Nov 05 13:02:08 i am trying to install debian Nov 05 13:02:12 but it wont seem to work Nov 05 13:02:22 SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all Nov 05 13:02:39 gets to "Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table" Nov 05 13:02:43 then it stops Nov 05 13:07:21 apparently it is because i have a big sd-card (8gb) Nov 05 13:09:48 works for me Nov 05 13:09:54 just hangs after some time... Nov 05 13:09:57 apparently there is a workaround on this page http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 Nov 05 13:10:00 but idont understand it Nov 05 13:10:28 what do i do? :S Nov 05 13:59:55 What a morning. I was very happy because the FR woke up to wake me, but when I went into my living room, my cat had eaten my FR headset! Nov 05 14:00:31 XD Nov 05 14:00:38 loool Nov 05 14:00:55 the weirdest FR story i've heard xD Nov 05 14:00:59 just bite your cat Nov 05 14:01:29 I wanted too, but it is still alive. Nov 05 14:01:43 damned cat :D Nov 05 14:01:53 Anyhow, is there any other headsets that can be used instead? Nov 05 14:02:13 all with 2,5mm jack i think Nov 05 14:02:20 Daramarak, she ate it completely? ;) Nov 05 14:02:36 nah, there were bits and pieces everywhere Nov 05 14:02:44 *meow* Nov 05 14:02:57 *roar* Nov 05 14:03:33 a friend of mine has a cat that eats her phone chargers, but not her husband's Nov 05 14:03:40 Daramarak: sorry, i tried to warn you about this last night Nov 05 14:03:51 Don't let the cat get your headset i said Nov 05 14:04:17 it's the high-tech version of "cat got your tongue?" Nov 05 14:04:26 hehe Nov 05 14:05:08 you should be proud of your geeky cat ;D Nov 05 14:05:16 Daramarak: would be nice on cold days, you could just plug in the tail and wrap the cat around your head Nov 05 14:05:39 jonkristian: LOL Nov 05 14:05:43 I sure wish i had a feature like that here in norway Nov 05 14:06:02 Yeah could be handy now that winter is coming Nov 05 14:09:51 Anyone have any recommendations for a headset then? Nov 05 14:09:57 Daramarak: yeah Nov 05 14:11:03 Daramarak: I have a http://digitalgiftstore.co.uk/images/l_00039972.jpg Nov 05 14:12:16 For earbuds, i'd recommend akg k340 Nov 05 14:13:11 With a mic? Nov 05 14:14:08 Daramarak: I'd go for a bluetooth receiver, sony ericsson has a nice cheap one Nov 05 14:14:30 With the FR? Would that be reliable? Nov 05 14:15:09 Daramarak: however, if you go for bluetooth, i'd definatley not buy anything high at price, since the overall audio quality will be noticeably worse on high end equipment. Nov 05 14:15:58 Not sure, right now im not using the fr for audio, i tried it a couple of days ago and the sound quality just sucked. Nov 05 14:16:33 which leads me to the question, is anybody getting a desent sound from the fr with a headset? Nov 05 14:16:34 I haven't experienced terrible sound yet. Very loud, but not very bad. Nov 05 14:16:50 Daramarak: what system? Nov 05 14:16:53 But I haven't done anything to get it so Nov 05 14:17:04 2008.9 Nov 05 14:17:11 I tried with 2008.9 and everything was peaking, even when i turned things down, they were. Nov 05 14:17:21 JONKRISTIAN Nov 05 14:17:27 DAVE Nov 05 14:17:48 Xora, how goes it? Nov 05 14:18:00 jonkristian, skjera? Nov 05 14:18:26 Programmerer ny nettside Nov 05 14:18:34 :P Nov 05 14:18:41 der? Nov 05 14:19:32 Dave: not bad, you? Nov 05 14:19:51 I am not sure but there might be differences on individual devices Nov 05 14:20:04 Alright, looking for new exciting purchases. Nov 05 14:20:18 Actually, I could use a good pair of headphones, jonkristian :p Nov 05 14:20:29 but I don't want to spend more than $300 Nov 05 14:20:30 Dave: :) Nov 05 14:20:39 I figure $300 could get me a pretty good set Nov 05 14:20:48 Yeah Nov 05 14:20:59 :D Nov 05 14:21:53 and likely then has ANC technology, but good ones, not shitty ones that don't do much of anything :p Nov 05 14:22:06 I mean I could just pickup a pair of studio headphones, but blah. Nov 05 14:22:21 Plus I'm not sure if I'd want to get a wireless pair. Nov 05 14:24:47 Is anyone using a wireless headset for the FR reliably? Nov 05 14:28:06 Does anyone know where the notification on calls and such take place? I sometimes work in a noisy environment and I would like to use a flashing image or something to call my attention instead of ringing. Nov 05 15:11:27 hello Nov 05 15:13:04 When I finish bitbake -c build but I change something in bb file and I want to run bitbake -c build aggain, how do I prevent to loose my modifications in package source? Nov 05 15:26:19 what is staging in OE? Nov 05 15:26:53 Tanuva Nov 05 15:29:11 hey there! anyone using shr and gps working? Nov 05 15:32:56 evening Nov 05 15:33:44 GREETINGS KENSAN Nov 05 15:34:39 Dave: always a pleasure Nov 05 15:34:41 greetings Nov 05 15:35:00 :) Nov 05 15:35:56 Dave: btw, debugboard serial console is still not working properly but I didn't have much time to look into it. Nov 05 15:36:12 Dave: I get garbled output but don't know what the reason is yet. Nov 05 15:37:44 domo arrigato ken-san Nov 05 15:38:08 maybe you have bad fen-shui and need to place the FR in a purple room, with rooms to the south Nov 05 15:39:26 Zorkman: heh, I am not that superstitious Nov 05 15:39:29 yet Nov 05 15:39:41 but the FR is.... Nov 05 15:40:05 there was a famous mathematician that had a horseshoe up on the wall of his office. Nov 05 15:40:20 apparently, he didn't believe in it, but he'd been told that it worked whether you believed in it or not. Nov 05 15:40:55 : Nov 05 15:40:56 d Nov 05 15:41:55 oops - a physicist rather than a mathematician: niels bohr. but the principle holds :) Nov 05 15:42:58 Kensan :( Nov 05 15:43:13 Dave: no worries, I'll pester mwester Nov 05 15:43:31 hm that rhymes... Nov 05 15:43:40 could be the new motto for the channel. Nov 05 15:58:30 Kensan, it's been mine for some time :D Nov 05 16:08:48 hellu!! Nov 05 16:13:09 hey, does the sdhc bug still exists? Nov 05 16:13:28 Hi, I'm trying to use MokoMakefile to build a toolchain ("make toolchain"0 and I'm getting the following error: NOTE: package meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0: started Nov 05 16:13:28 NOTE: package meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1: task do_populate_sdk: started Nov 05 16:13:28 ERROR: function do_populate_sdk failed Nov 05 16:13:28 ERROR: log data follows (/media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_populate_sdk.12909) Nov 05 16:13:29 | /media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/run.do_populate_sdk.12909: line 175: package_update_index_ipk: command not found Nov 05 16:13:32 NOTE: Task failed: /media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_populate_sdk.12909 Nov 05 16:13:35 Any suggestions? Nov 05 16:22:16 Hello, i am trying to install debian on my freerunner Nov 05 16:22:46 install.sh fails when it reaches Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table Nov 05 16:23:04 i think it might be because my card is too big Nov 05 16:23:11 there is a link to a workaround on the page Nov 05 16:23:14 but i dont understand it Nov 05 16:25:11 too big? Nov 05 16:25:22 wait no Nov 05 16:25:33 but i have a big sdhc-card (8gb) Nov 05 16:25:33 techiem2-r: thats what she said Nov 05 16:25:48 lol Nov 05 16:25:49 and apparently that makes the installer fail some times Nov 05 16:25:51 ah Nov 05 16:26:00 I installed to a 1GB partition on my 8GB card Nov 05 16:26:10 it's an old joke, but you gotta bust it out sometimes Nov 05 16:26:19 Dave said it too Nov 05 16:26:19 oh, smart techiem2-r. that solves it? Nov 05 16:26:43 well it worked Nov 05 16:26:44 lol Nov 05 16:26:53 I made a 100MB boot partition Nov 05 16:27:02 and 1GB main partition for it Nov 05 16:27:09 lol Nov 05 16:27:34 oh wait...10MB boot Nov 05 16:27:35 lol Nov 05 16:27:51 fat32 to make sure uboot is happy Nov 05 16:27:51 techiem2-r, do you think you could help me do it again? Nov 05 16:27:59 I could try Nov 05 16:28:00 lol Nov 05 16:28:05 been a couple months Nov 05 16:28:46 right now i have one big ext2-partition on the card Nov 05 16:29:16 i need to delete that, then fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Nov 05 16:29:23 = Nov 05 16:29:24 ? Nov 05 16:29:54 I think so... Nov 05 16:29:58 I think that's what I did Nov 05 16:30:02 i'd delete that _using_ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Nov 05 16:30:10 oh yes right Nov 05 16:30:12 ok Nov 05 16:30:14 pretty sure I manually partitioned it before doing the install Nov 05 16:30:18 but not 100% sure Nov 05 16:31:42 SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all Nov 05 16:31:47 maybe used that method Nov 05 16:31:54 *shrug* Nov 05 16:32:12 100mb p1 /boot Nov 05 16:32:23 6gb p5 /media/card Nov 05 16:32:42 1664mb / Nov 05 16:32:49 is there some order in which i need to make the new partitions? Nov 05 16:32:53 or anything special i need to do? Nov 05 16:32:56 on p2 Nov 05 16:33:08 256mb p3 swap Nov 05 16:33:14 is what i have Nov 05 16:33:16 and it works Nov 05 16:33:35 yabo: iirc not Nov 05 16:35:14 well Nov 05 16:35:23 yabo, what brand of the SDHC? Nov 05 16:35:28 sandisk Nov 05 16:35:36 okay Nov 05 16:35:45 well, I bought one yesterday and installed fine today Nov 05 16:35:51 Sandisk SDHC 8GB Nov 05 16:36:03 microSDHC* Nov 05 16:36:11 yes mine too Nov 05 16:36:13 umm Nov 05 16:36:13 Fougner, cool Nov 05 16:36:17 just what i bought today ;] Nov 05 16:36:21 SDSDQ-008G-E12M Nov 05 16:36:27 that is my card Nov 05 16:36:29 yabo, exactley Nov 05 16:36:30 damn i have android on my flash Nov 05 16:36:40 so i can't prepare the sd ;\ Nov 05 16:36:43 anyway Nov 05 16:36:48 i have to reflash ;\ Nov 05 16:36:54 what partitions am i making again? Nov 05 16:37:08 boot Nov 05 16:37:11 root Nov 05 16:37:13 maybe swap Nov 05 16:37:15 but I had the openmoko 2008.9 before, so the card was vfatted Nov 05 16:37:18 how big and stuff Nov 05 16:37:30 boot can be like 10MB (mine is) Nov 05 16:37:35 root whatever Nov 05 16:37:38 swap whatever Nov 05 16:37:39 lol Nov 05 16:37:42 I didn't do swap Nov 05 16:37:49 I made a 1GB root Nov 05 16:37:54 anyway Nov 05 16:37:58 rest of card holds maps, etc. Nov 05 16:38:02 fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Nov 05 16:38:07 n Nov 05 16:38:11 1 Nov 05 16:38:15 then what? Nov 05 16:38:28 wait Nov 05 16:38:29 n Nov 05 16:38:29 p Nov 05 16:38:35 then 1 Nov 05 16:39:02 +sizeM 10M Nov 05 16:39:08 as last cylinder Nov 05 16:39:13 makes a 10mb-partition? Nov 05 16:39:37 +10M Nov 05 16:39:51 not +sizeM 10M Nov 05 16:39:53 hmm, is there a way to install Debian without that script? Nov 05 16:39:56 value is out of range Nov 05 16:40:31 I mean, setup partitions manually and then copy files manually? Nov 05 16:40:32 ;D Nov 05 16:40:52 Fougner, have you encountered the filesystem header bug or what ever it's name is? Nov 05 16:42:20 TAsnn, uhm , say what? :P Nov 05 16:43:06 i can't recall the exact name Nov 05 16:43:27 though the one that erases sdhc file system table Nov 05 16:43:35 when the moko is suspended Nov 05 16:44:53 hmm, not what I've noticed Nov 05 16:46:04 btw, I've tried 2008.9 and FDOM (same interface), Debian, and now Qt Nov 05 16:46:19 cool Nov 05 16:46:28 im just flashing 2008.9 Nov 05 16:46:33 Qt seems to be quite nice, but I've heard the GPS and so on wont work.. true? Nov 05 16:46:43 and after that installing shr on the sd Nov 05 16:46:47 Fougner, no idea. Nov 05 16:46:56 i didn't like qt at all. Nov 05 16:47:05 android is nice, but doesn't feel like linux Nov 05 16:47:08 yah, SHR is quite nice too, but it seems a little bit buggy =) Nov 05 16:47:22 it just feels like a cool nokia phone Nov 05 16:47:27 Fougner, kinda buggy. Nov 05 16:47:30 xD Nov 05 16:47:33 but still fun Nov 05 16:47:40 yah, no doubt. Nov 05 16:47:44 ;] Nov 05 16:48:13 actually from what i have noticed, zhone is better than openmoko suite 3 aka shr Nov 05 16:48:19 but... I would like to have my FR as mediaplayer and phone for daily-use... Nov 05 16:48:26 but don't take my word on it. Nov 05 16:48:47 * Fougner tries to connect to his Freerunner... Nov 05 16:49:04 TAsnn, you mean Debian-based ? Nov 05 16:49:19 Fougner, i know. that's why i have android on my flash and shr on sd. Nov 05 16:49:26 Fougner, no. Nov 05 16:49:47 i just reflashed because i needed to partition my stupid sd ;] Nov 05 16:50:09 ok Nov 05 16:50:19 and that droid thingy has no ssh (from what i have seen) Nov 05 16:50:25 ah Nov 05 16:50:28 nice xD Nov 05 16:50:33 no ssh, and you're quite lost Nov 05 16:51:05 as i said, it doesn't feel like linux Nov 05 16:51:25 it doesn't even have the usual linux dir structure Nov 05 16:51:30 what would you expect? xD Nov 05 16:51:47 Fougner, a nicely wrapped fso ;] Nov 05 16:51:59 hehe Nov 05 16:52:10 instead i got a low bat suspending and not returning nokia ;] Nov 05 16:52:16 that even has snake.! Nov 05 16:53:12 ahaaa, let's see if I can get my uSD to work Nov 05 16:53:24 or scp some mp3 Nov 05 16:53:26 xD Nov 05 16:54:34 uhm, in Qt extended, opkg upgrade wouldn't destroy anything, would it? Nov 05 16:54:43 Fougner, i don't think so Nov 05 16:54:47 but hey, don't trust me Nov 05 16:55:00 i don't like qtopia i may just want to make you erase it ;] Nov 05 16:55:38 hehe, TAsnn, you run android and SHR? Nov 05 16:55:50 supposed to. Nov 05 16:55:59 though as i said i just flashed 2009 Nov 05 16:56:04 hehe, can you use it for something? =P Nov 05 16:56:09 2008.9 ? xD Nov 05 16:56:17 android? Nov 05 16:56:28 i actually don't experience any of the problems reported ;] Nov 05 16:56:32 flashed 2009? Nov 05 16:56:41 yeah, android and SHR? Nov 05 16:56:41 in the process Nov 05 16:56:52 yeah. Nov 05 16:56:54 mediaplayer? Nov 05 16:56:58 call / sms? Nov 05 16:57:00 as i said, that's my choice. Nov 05 16:57:03 in android? Nov 05 16:57:05 calls worked Nov 05 16:57:10 didn't try anything else Nov 05 16:57:13 ah Nov 05 16:57:27 please do, I'd be happy to hear about ti Nov 05 16:57:28 it* Nov 05 16:57:33 food, bbs Nov 05 16:57:38 hehe i need to flash it again before i try Nov 05 16:57:39 cya. Nov 05 16:57:41 im off as well. Nov 05 17:05:42 what would you say is the best kernel for (FD)OM? Nov 05 17:06:15 well, SHR is bound to have a few deficiencies seeing as it hasn't been released yet.. Nov 05 17:06:37 bipak_: no idea, but mwester's one worked fine for me Nov 05 17:06:55 :) Nov 05 17:08:41 how do i close programs in 2008.9? Nov 05 17:08:44 using the stylus Nov 05 17:09:54 press the illume shelf Nov 05 17:10:04 and then hit the "x" Nov 05 17:10:23 its where you suppose the qwerty button... Nov 05 17:10:45 "remove" Nov 05 17:10:55 alright Nov 05 17:11:07 why wont Messages open? Nov 05 17:17:50 yabo: have you restarted after you flashed? always wise to do Nov 05 17:26:24 I'm having trouble getting android to boot past the black screen :( Nov 05 17:27:07 I've tried partitioning both 2GB and 8GB cards Nov 05 17:27:09 but nothing :( Nov 05 17:29:23 malane: you flashed it to the phone? how big is you vfat partion and you ext3 partition? Nov 05 17:35:57 toggles :p Nov 05 17:36:13 ulf: I finally got it to work on a 2GB card that i'm borrowing from a friend Nov 05 17:36:17 during boot, "debugfs dir creation failed -19" ? Nov 05 17:36:21 o_O Nov 05 17:36:29 Togepi! Nov 05 17:36:29 Fougner, stop breaking things! Nov 05 17:36:34 That's my job! Nov 05 17:36:35 ulf: But I'm still unable to get it to work on my 8GB card. :( even if my second ext3 partition is <=2GB Nov 05 17:36:43 Dave, what :( Nov 05 17:36:47 :P Nov 05 17:36:53 malane, Sandisk? ;) Nov 05 17:36:59 yep Nov 05 17:37:07 I have debian running on an 8GB sandisk ultra ii Nov 05 17:37:12 SDHC? Nov 05 17:37:18 and i'm trying to use the non-ultra ii 8GB sandisk card to boot andriod Nov 05 17:37:20 yes Nov 05 17:37:31 one 8GB SDHC sandisk Nov 05 17:37:39 and one 8GB ultra ii SDHC sandisk Nov 05 17:37:51 it worked on the 2GB sandisk Nov 05 17:38:16 hm Nov 05 17:38:28 what is ultra ii? ^^ Nov 05 17:38:38 it's labeled for mobile devices Nov 05 17:38:47 but I think it just allows a faster clock speed Nov 05 17:38:56 ultra ii is some sandisk speed classification Nov 05 17:38:57 hm Nov 05 17:39:02 ah Nov 05 17:39:09 ultra iii is faster, ultra i slower Nov 05 17:39:28 I was having trouble putting debian on my 8GB uSD so arne anka suggested the ultra ii class, which wroks Nov 05 17:39:28 well, I have the 8GB SDHC from Sandisk.. red/black package, labeled "Sandisk Mobile" Nov 05 17:39:29 You won't need any ultra if you use the card exclusively with the freerunner... Nov 05 17:39:34 don't see why they made it - "sdhc class 4" should be enough, imo Nov 05 17:39:44 ULTRA ULTRA! Nov 05 17:39:56 the 8GB card I have debian on is sandisk mobile ultra Nov 05 17:40:10 this 8 gb class 4 microsdhc here does measly 274kbyte/s write speed in the supplied usb adapter Nov 05 17:40:14 Dave, stop drinking so much coffee =P Nov 05 17:40:15 *wait* Nov 05 17:40:29 What coffee? Nov 05 17:40:31 I have a regular (regular as in no extra labeling) 8GB sandisk card Nov 05 17:40:31 ok, peaks up to over 300kByte/s Nov 05 17:40:42 and iti s recognized by the freerunner but I could not boot debian Nov 05 17:40:45 extra labeling? Nov 05 17:40:50 Is that what we're arguing about now!? Nov 05 17:40:53 Dave: "ultra ii" Nov 05 17:40:53 and android didnt like it either, android wouldn't boot Nov 05 17:40:55 Wonka, what are you talking about? Nov 05 17:40:59 no ultra, no mobile labeling Nov 05 17:41:03 There's two different types of Ultras? Nov 05 17:41:03 just "sdhc 8gb" Nov 05 17:41:15 Dave: there are sandisk ultra i, ii and iii Nov 05 17:41:25 O_o Nov 05 17:41:29 anyway. gotta leave again. Nov 05 17:41:33 What's the difference, transfer speed? Nov 05 17:41:35 Quality? Nov 05 17:41:36 Dave: it's all marketing. don't bother Nov 05 17:41:39 my kingston will take a while atm Nov 05 17:41:43 either way android doesn't have a virtual keyboard for moko yet, and wifi doesn't work, so I'm sticking with qtopia/debian for now Nov 05 17:41:46 Dave: speed Nov 05 17:41:49 I see. Nov 05 17:41:53 Which on the moko, mean shit. Nov 05 17:41:55 :D Nov 05 17:41:58 Dave: afaik transfer speed but it doesn't matter with the FR anyway thanks to glamo Nov 05 17:41:58 ack. Nov 05 17:42:03 or perhaps an incompatability? o.O Nov 05 17:42:06 right :D Nov 05 17:42:08 Dave: it treats all the cards equally :) Nov 05 17:42:12 * Dave high-fives Kensan Nov 05 17:42:18 hey, at least they work, right? :P Nov 05 17:42:29 * Kensan high-fours Dave Nov 05 17:42:29 fucking freerunner... Nov 05 17:42:38 for some reason u-boot wouldn't boot off my non-ultra 8gb card Nov 05 17:42:39 Dave: hm... the proper answer would be: it depends. Nov 05 17:42:54 it booted off of a non-ultra 2gb, an ultra 8gb, but not a non-ultra 8gb Nov 05 17:43:27 what is the difference between non-ultra and ultra? Nov 05 17:43:52 transfer speeds Nov 05 17:43:59 okay Nov 05 17:44:20 I wish android wasn't dependent on a uSD Nov 05 17:45:21 What's the fastet way to transfere data into the FR now, execpt maybe taking out the SD card? Nov 05 17:45:45 wifi? Nov 05 17:45:47 hmm Nov 05 17:46:03 how fast is bluetooth? Nov 05 17:46:14 no sé Nov 05 17:50:41 slow Nov 05 18:07:38 guys, the maps for the GPS:es Nov 05 18:08:15 where can I collect and compile them? =) Nov 05 18:13:16 openmoko: 03werner * r4753 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (hack-disable-ecc.patch hif-linux-sdio.patch series): Nov 05 18:13:16 openmoko: Resurrected from the dead for performance comparison of direct Nov 05 18:13:16 openmoko: interrupt vs. SDIO interrupt. Nov 05 18:23:16 ahoi Nov 05 18:24:52 ultra xx Nov 05 18:25:13 Ultra XXX :D Nov 05 18:25:33 :o Nov 05 18:25:45 i've been outdone Nov 05 18:25:48 yet again Nov 05 18:27:49 so i guess my 8gb mSDHC class2 non-ultra card is the best of the best Nov 05 18:30:49 :o Nov 05 18:43:00 the doomport is really impressive Nov 05 18:52:56 Would you notice a speed increase if you threw away the shipped SD card and put in a high speed one? Or is the FR still reading top speeds and not reaching even the shipped SD card's capable speed? Nov 05 18:58:43 laen, doubtful Nov 05 19:13:30 hmm adroid boots Nov 05 19:13:36 cool Nov 05 19:13:41 yep :) Nov 05 19:13:46 but issn that usefull yet Nov 05 19:14:27 taking quite a while to boot actually... Nov 05 19:14:28 guru! Nov 05 19:14:39 there it goes Nov 05 19:14:43 hey dave Nov 05 19:15:09 Dave: ! Nov 05 19:17:17 hmm no wifi I see..and I'm guessing no keyboard either? Nov 05 19:18:27 honestly, it seems to me there's no really distro of use here.. either it has a lot of bugs and is unstable as heck, or, it lacks the bluetooth, wifi and GPS and stuff.. =( Nov 05 19:18:40 but there's potential... Nov 05 19:18:54 I would like to have Qt with GPS, Wifi and Bluetooth Nov 05 19:19:05 then FR would be ultimate.... or something Nov 05 19:19:17 working Debian maybe Nov 05 19:19:33 Fougner: Qt has GPS, Wifi and Bluetooth :O Nov 05 19:19:51 Fougner, qtopia comes very close... and debian... though debian is harder to use.. Nov 05 19:20:28 Which is my plan.. Debian on SD, Qt on NAND. Nov 05 19:20:55 Anyway, gotta go drive to meh mom, she has a TomTom :) Nov 05 19:21:47 YES Nov 05 19:21:48 BEHOLD Nov 05 19:22:25 Dave, you're craaaazy xD Nov 05 19:22:36 F4t, how can I get wifi installed ? :O GPS? :O Nov 05 19:22:37 I WANT! Nov 05 19:22:41 GIEF ME! Nov 05 19:23:08 Fougner: simple. Use iwconfig. Nov 05 19:24:19 laen, I R N00b! Nov 05 19:24:28 in order: "route del default gw 192.168.0.200" "ifdown eth0" "ifconfig eth0 down" "ifconfig eth0 up" "iwconfig eth0 key .." "iwconfig eth0 essid .." (those in that order) "udhcpc eth0" ..Win! Nov 05 19:24:30 I can't =( I'm too stupid Nov 05 19:25:17 or just a bit lazy? Nov 05 19:26:31 laen, was my exact plan until i saw android... now android is going to be my primary when it gets fixed up Nov 05 19:28:01 laen, ifdown eth0 gives me "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" Nov 05 19:31:08 Funger Nov 05 19:31:19 Fungie Nov 05 19:31:23 :o Nov 05 19:31:25 Lame! Nov 05 19:31:27 Fougner, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko Nov 05 19:32:23 jonsmith1982, already read it.. what parts do I have to do? Nov 05 19:39:48 F4t, still here? Nov 05 19:40:51 TAsnn, hi! ;) Nov 05 19:41:03 Fougner, no android yet ;] Nov 05 19:41:12 though 8gb seems to work ;] Nov 05 19:41:36 aha Nov 05 19:41:37 nice Nov 05 19:41:56 laen: does this really work successfully for you? Nov 05 19:42:04 and i installed a new screen protector Nov 05 19:42:13 laen: most of the time, udhcpc does not get any response for me Nov 05 19:42:15 i think it's better though it has it's issues ;] Nov 05 19:42:33 TAsnn, haha, installed ^^ Nov 05 19:42:50 what's wrong? Nov 05 19:43:26 hello when milestone 4 will be available ? Nov 05 19:43:28 when are we likely to see the boot time and echo fixes in the main openmoko image? Nov 05 19:44:40 distrobuted with the main moko image? Nov 05 19:45:37 yes Nov 05 19:45:48 sound is somehow really broken on my freerunner... Nov 05 19:46:08 the fancy fourier transform app doesn't work :( Nov 05 19:46:56 keyborder: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone4 Nov 05 19:47:26 hmm, I don't have an eth0 interface in Qt.. how do I do? :S Nov 05 19:47:51 Is there an alternative location to download dfu-util for linux? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util seems broken Nov 05 19:49:36 how would one help get milestone 4 out the door? Nov 05 19:50:16 Tig|: what do you think how long it takes to be ready? Nov 05 19:50:32 which image has the best wifi support? Nov 05 19:51:24 Hmm, Tig... Nov 05 19:51:57 KenSentMe: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/dfu-util Nov 05 19:52:15 Dave, thanks Nov 05 19:52:47 its nots the easiest to understand which distro is for what/why...etc. shr is the one that should be work on for creating applications on moko at present? Nov 05 19:52:55 Tig|: thanks Nov 05 19:53:02 hey guys, has anyone tried getting python-bluez on the moko? Nov 05 19:53:05 :) Nov 05 20:27:15 hello, is there any plan to port om2008.9 or FSO on the android G1 now that it has been rooted: http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=151&rb_v=viewtopic. is there a hardware and software(i mean things like the freeness of the drivers etc...) of both phones? Nov 05 20:29:15 rooted? wasnt it open in first place? Nov 05 20:32:59 Gnutoo: why would someone want to put broken software on something that already has a working phone stack that's (somewhat) open? ;) Nov 05 20:33:29 mwester, yea, good point there too :) Nov 05 20:34:53 mwester, mmm...you could have things such as wesnoth,doom,vim+gcc+make+gdb+gllibc-dev very easely on it with openembedded Nov 05 20:35:07 <[df]__> I dunno, because they're the sort of masochist that would buy a fr in the first place? :p Nov 05 20:36:01 the masochist who buy fr, want more stuff to run on it, not spread already running stuff to other devices which they dont have :) Nov 05 20:36:38 <[df]__> well if they're a rich masochist they might own both Nov 05 20:37:30 then they probably have a blog, and like to dismantle devices and take pictures.... Nov 05 20:38:12 hacker culture, you do things because can, especially when people say you can't or shouldn't Nov 05 20:38:24 Gnutoo: I agree that FSO should target the G1. I think that any effort by Om to do anything EXCEPT stabilize the current kernel and basic functionality would be reason for lynching. Nov 05 20:38:47 * SpeedEvil doesn't quite agree with that. Nov 05 20:38:50 mwester, agree Nov 05 20:38:55 But I've got some rope if anyone needs it. Nov 05 20:39:03 got stones? Nov 05 20:39:04 Om is still not fixing the suspend/resume problem, instead they are working ont he GTA03 Nov 05 20:39:09 SpeedEvil: so what then? Nov 05 20:39:13 <[df]__> well no-one said it had to be OM to do it Nov 05 20:39:29 [df]: who excpet Om likes the 2008.x software? Nov 05 20:39:45 and even Om is abandoning that. Nov 05 20:39:49 <[df]> fair point Nov 05 20:39:56 <[df]> ah, good Nov 05 20:40:11 im just cant wait for android to be fully ported... :) Nov 05 20:40:11 <[df]> I think it's insane maintaining multiple stacks rather than concentrating on fso Nov 05 20:42:05 debian-fso4 Nov 05 20:47:23 [df]: it's what made linux great Nov 05 20:47:25 slaxin - kinky Nov 05 20:47:47 Mwester :p Nov 05 20:48:15 Dave: android? Nov 05 20:48:48 no Nov 05 20:49:01 Dave: puuuuuuuuuhhhhhlllleeeeeeeeez? Nov 05 20:49:08 fuck that Nov 05 20:49:12 * toggles_w puts a cherry on top Nov 05 20:49:13 NoPhone4U! Nov 05 20:49:16 oh.. Nov 05 20:49:19 damn Nov 05 20:50:21 hahah Nov 05 20:50:37 Quiet, founger. Nov 05 20:50:38 Dave, you're mean! You made toggles_w (togepi) cry! =( Nov 05 20:50:44 You're causing much unrest. Nov 05 20:51:05 o.O Nov 05 20:51:10 ~_~ Nov 05 20:51:12 STOP DOING THAT! Nov 05 20:51:27 ~_~ Nov 05 20:51:27 STOP DOING THAT! Nov 05 20:51:31 drit i det! Nov 05 20:51:33 hmm Nov 05 20:51:45 ? Nov 05 20:51:46 apt get install kde4-desktop Nov 05 20:51:47 Founger, I see you there! Nov 05 20:51:48 * apt fetches install kde4-desktop Nov 05 20:51:56 ;D Nov 05 20:52:01 my name is Fougner, not Founger Nov 05 20:52:02 apt get a room Nov 05 20:52:03 * apt fetches a room Nov 05 20:52:05 ;D Nov 05 20:52:08 * Dave pets apt Nov 05 20:52:33 Fougner, hahaha, oh... and to think I've been calling you Funger for the past hour or two. Nov 05 20:52:36 hahaha Nov 05 20:53:33 Well, I'm quite patient =) Nov 05 20:53:53 heh Nov 05 20:53:56 ~_~ Nov 05 20:53:57 STOP DOING THAT! Nov 05 20:53:58 Good thing, too :p Nov 05 20:54:01 apt get ~_~ Nov 05 20:54:01 * apt fetches ~_~ Nov 05 20:54:06 Stop abusing my apt factoid! Nov 05 20:54:08 Muhahah, apt, obey me! Nov 05 20:54:25 Dave, should I stop abusing you too? Nov 05 20:54:46 Impossible! Nov 05 20:54:54 yeah, how could I... Nov 05 20:54:54 Fougner: kinky Nov 05 20:55:07 toggles_w, you think? Nov 05 20:55:07 trekant? Nov 05 20:55:16 Dave, circkel Nov 05 20:55:17 i think Nov 05 20:55:20 cirkel* Nov 05 20:55:37 Dave, .no? Nov 05 20:55:42 hmm, Dave `emerge android` didn't work.. Nov 05 20:55:47 GOOD Nov 05 20:55:50 It's broken Nov 05 20:56:04 Android doesn't work yet. Nov 05 20:56:05 Dave: fix it before i tell mwester Nov 05 20:56:05 * mwester tries. Nov 05 20:56:08 Come back later. Nov 05 20:56:08 hahaha Nov 05 20:56:11 "hocus pocus" Nov 05 20:56:13 Oooh, I'm SO scared. Nov 05 20:56:20 * Dave hides from mwester Nov 05 20:56:21 you will be Nov 05 20:56:21 Does it work now? Nov 05 20:56:42 mwester: whoaa.. it did.. Nov 05 20:56:50 * mwester listens to his dying disk drive. Nov 05 20:56:52 * Fougner thinks mwester is the most powerful wizard on this planet Nov 05 20:57:32 * mwester should go back to work for a couple more hours. Nov 05 20:57:36 * Fougner runs away Nov 05 20:58:20 * vininim puts on robe and wizard hat Nov 05 20:59:01 * F4t booting his android powered fr Nov 05 21:00:54 apt summon Fougner Nov 05 21:00:54 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing Fougner's coordinates Nov 05 21:00:58 YES Nov 05 21:01:03 vininim ;p Nov 05 21:01:14 Mwester, I dread that sound :[ Nov 05 21:01:18 It's so eerie Nov 05 21:01:36 and disturbing Nov 05 21:01:43 A COMPUTER SHOULD NEVER SOUND LIKE A TRAIN! Nov 05 21:03:15 ~punish Dave Nov 05 21:03:16 * apt forces Dave to install and use Windows Nov 05 21:03:24 mohahaha Nov 05 21:03:37 * Dave installs DR-DOS on sicu Nov 05 21:03:49 Dave: you upgrading from Om2008.9 ? Nov 05 21:04:06 toggles_w: yes he has ported os2 warp to arm :P Nov 05 21:04:09 hahahaha Nov 05 21:04:12 huhuh Nov 05 21:04:20 =] Nov 05 21:04:22 wheres bricode? i want a working android! :( Nov 05 21:04:26 whoa.. Nov 05 21:04:38 F4t: Dave is providing all andriod tech support from now Nov 05 21:04:44 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Nov 05 21:04:46 * Dave runs Nov 05 21:04:46 ouch Nov 05 21:05:05 what happend to brian? Nov 05 21:05:10 ~connect Dave Nov 05 21:05:12 * apt connect's Dave to the channel, permanently! There is no escape! Nov 05 21:05:23 heh Nov 05 21:05:32 Dave: what's wrong with our androids ? Nov 05 21:05:47 Dave: why doesnt the camera work? :D Nov 05 21:05:53 oooo an with this we go full circle: Dave, how do I get the numbers on the keyboard for my pin code on android :P :P :P Nov 05 21:06:14 do I really have to read the topic? :P Nov 05 21:06:16 * toggles_w rofls Nov 05 21:06:23 *grin* Nov 05 21:07:11 UGGH Nov 05 21:07:15 Stop harassing me! Nov 05 21:07:30 Start a thread, I might answer :) Nov 05 21:07:49 * Dave retreats Nov 05 21:08:25 * Tig| blocks Daves exit wit a pile of freerunners Nov 05 21:09:59 * F4t adds a pile of help-needing android runners Nov 05 21:11:08 um, this may be a stupid question, but i'm kinda stuck. how do i get configure/make scripts use the libraries in /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib rather than /usr/lib? Nov 05 21:11:27 i tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the linker Nov 05 21:12:16 timur: --interp-prefix=PREFIX where to find shared libraries, etc. Nov 05 21:12:30 toggles_w, thank you. let me give it a shot Nov 05 21:12:32 actually Nov 05 21:12:39 no, that qemu specific probabl Nov 05 21:12:42 --cross-prefix=PREFIX use PREFIX for compile tools [] Nov 05 21:12:51 oh ok Nov 05 21:13:04 why doesn't ./configure --help list such things that could be helpful? Nov 05 21:13:31 timur: i think it might be package specific, that stuff may only be qemu Nov 05 21:13:57 oh, and configure barfed that --cross-prefix is an unrecognized option Nov 05 21:14:05 yeah, sorry Nov 05 21:14:45 did you try LDFLAGS linker flags, e.g. -L if you have libraries in a nonstandard directory Nov 05 21:15:40 well, the problem is that configure grabs the GLIB from /usr/lib Nov 05 21:16:06 and then make runs the arm linker trying to link the objects against that x86 lib, which obviously fails Nov 05 21:16:28 and i can't find a way to force configure to look somewhere else for libraries, like /usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib Nov 05 21:16:35 ahh, i see.. can you hack configure? Nov 05 21:17:05 i think that'll be my next step Nov 05 21:17:16 just wasn't sure if there was some clean way of doing such things Nov 05 21:18:35 sorry mate, you're on your own, but if you have an android question, feel free to come back and ask Dave Nov 05 21:18:44 oh, brilliant. i didn't realize that libbluetooth is already on the moko, so i can stop trying to cross compile bluez and try to cross compile pybluez :) Nov 05 21:18:48 it's all good Nov 05 21:18:51 thanks anyway :) Nov 05 21:19:02 don't thank me, thank Dave Nov 05 21:19:07 hehe Nov 05 21:21:03 thank U Dave Nov 05 21:23:59 i need 2 more sdcards Nov 05 21:29:41 http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww&feature=related Nov 05 21:29:54 prolly got a moko on it Nov 05 21:36:53 omg, that's actually pretty scary Nov 05 21:37:08 I was like, wtf, return of the killerbee Nov 05 21:54:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ZTvCDIYmw&NR=1 Nov 05 21:54:38 now that is getting there Nov 05 21:56:41 Tried android yet? Nov 05 21:57:39 It's not bad - it lacks certain features, but for a tech preview, which is essentially what the current freerunner image is, it's pretty good stuff :) Nov 05 21:57:57 sounds good Nov 05 21:58:20 functionality? like sms/calling etc.? Nov 05 22:02:43 Works if you don't have your sim protected :) Nov 05 22:02:54 That is, you can't type in texts, since there's no softkeyboard :) Nov 05 22:04:01 cool, maybe i should try it Nov 05 22:04:15 I mean flashing, it doesn't degrade the phone in any way, right? Nov 05 22:04:37 The volume is apparently really bad, the wifi doesn't work, nor gps Nov 05 22:04:56 hmmk Nov 05 22:06:00 and of course, suspend doesn't work ;) Nov 05 22:08:11 leinir, i managed to make a call in the android, though didnt hear anything, other side heard me Nov 05 22:08:22 and almost managed to recieve a call Nov 05 22:08:26 Hehe :) Nov 05 22:08:59 i never did try the phone stuff in android, so i'm just conveying what i picked up :) Nov 05 22:09:52 F4t, i managed to receive and make a call with android Nov 05 22:09:55 sound was good ;] Nov 05 22:10:06 how did you recieve a call? Nov 05 22:10:10 anyone know what package the python fcntl module lives? Nov 05 22:10:16 i clicked everywhere... just couoldnt answer it Nov 05 22:10:28 popped a window ;] Nov 05 22:10:46 ....? Nov 05 22:10:56 TAsnn: cool Nov 05 22:11:08 Too bad android can run off of sd Nov 05 22:11:12 yeah. Nov 05 22:11:19 i got the window that says "Incoming call" and all, but couldnt actually accept it Nov 05 22:11:47 Might sound silly, but does flashing degrade the phone in any way, if you do it too much. Nov 05 22:11:58 yes Nov 05 22:12:18 i guess flash memory does have its limit, but its counted in the 100 thousands or something Nov 05 22:12:34 any writing on the flash will wear it slightly, but it shouldn't be a real factor within the phones lifetime Nov 05 22:12:46 unless you go gung-ho and purposefully wear it out Nov 05 22:12:50 ok, that's what i thought Nov 05 22:12:54 hehe Nov 05 22:12:59 how would 1 blank flash the freerunner? Nov 05 22:13:04 I've only flashed the phone like two times. Nov 05 22:14:41 hey all.. Nov 05 22:15:06 does anybody know how to change the timeout for suspend in 2008.x without using settings? (as it doesn't start) Nov 05 22:17:34 what is "blank flash" Nov 05 22:19:12 mwester: blank flash from 19th of september I think is the latest image.. then I changed to the testing repos and did opkg update && opkg upgrade Nov 05 22:19:34 it's ticket 2088 that hit me. Nov 05 22:19:46 so I was wondering if it's possible to change that setting from the commandline somehow Nov 05 22:20:40 hi Nov 05 22:21:05 how can I send my appointments from evolution to the freerunner calendar app? pls Nov 05 22:23:13 ok, so, i'm confused. i power on BT but then running hcitool scan returns "No such device" what's uh going on? Nov 05 22:30:33 is it not possible to turn BT on by echo 1 to power_on in sys? Nov 05 22:30:43 it just stays off when i do it Nov 05 22:31:43 mwester: i think he means rm -rf * that is in flash Nov 05 22:39:09 timur_: what image are you using Nov 05 22:39:45 Tig|, the 2008.9 one Nov 05 22:40:08 is there not a gui option to turn on BT? Nov 05 22:40:18 interestingly, if I use the settings applet, the device powers on and off fine Nov 05 22:40:27 there is Nov 05 22:40:41 i'm trying a little tool to turn on BT and scan and then turn off in the background Nov 05 22:40:46 *trying to write Nov 05 22:42:49 by the way, i don't know if anyone cares or if someone did it already (i couldn't find it), but i have a PyBluez module working. I could probably put it up somewhere for others to use **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 05 22:48:18 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 05 22:48:39 2008 Nov 05 22:48:54 um, so any idea anyone? i don't want to read the gui tool's source :) Nov 05 22:52:50 timur_: make sure the modules is not in reset Nov 05 22:52:53 *module Nov 05 22:53:14 i.e. try writing 0 into reset and the 1 into power_on Nov 05 22:53:22 balrog-k1n, ok, let me give it a shot Nov 05 22:53:47 you should see dmesg find something connected to usb then Nov 05 22:54:27 ok, i tried Nov 05 22:54:29 it Nov 05 22:54:33 nothing in dmesg Nov 05 22:54:37 and no device shows up Nov 05 22:54:43 hciconfig can't find anything Nov 05 22:54:54 hello Nov 05 22:55:01 how about usb drivers, are they compiled? Nov 05 22:55:15 where can i change the repository-server to use on 2008.9? Nov 05 22:55:25 i presume so, because when i power it on/off with the gui thing it does load the usb device Nov 05 22:55:31 and then hciconfig can use it as well Nov 05 22:55:35 oh ok Nov 05 22:55:51 also, writing anything to the power_on file causes the usb device to disappear Nov 05 22:55:54 it doesn't show in hciconfig -a, right? Nov 05 22:56:02 nope Nov 05 22:56:21 maybe the gui inserts and removes modules? Nov 05 22:56:25 in fact, cat /sys/.../power_on returns 0 Nov 05 22:56:42 nope, lsmod does not show any modules loaded Nov 05 22:56:44 when i turn it on Nov 05 22:58:25 i wonder what they did to 2008.9... which brings me to my next question where is the source for all this stuff? i found the projects page, but it doesn't seem to be there Nov 05 22:59:17 timur_, i think what your looking for is in /usr/bin/exposure.py Nov 05 23:00:12 jonsmith1982, thank you. i'll look through it :) Nov 05 23:00:55 So Nov 05 23:01:02 i want to use the matchbox-keyboard on 2008.9 Nov 05 23:01:09 what do i do? Nov 05 23:01:28 does http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_install_it.3F still apply? Nov 05 23:04:03 yabo: hm Nov 05 23:04:21 yabo: I got the qwerty, and didn't do anything other than opkg update/upgrade Nov 05 23:05:41 #opkg update Nov 05 23:05:51 * Could not obtain administrative lock Nov 05 23:05:52 ? Nov 05 23:06:01 yabo: try Nov 05 23:06:20 killall packagekitd Nov 05 23:06:25 =D Nov 05 23:06:50 openmoko: 03mickey * r4754 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libbb/ (libbb.h xfuncs.c): opkg: attached patch fixes build failures with gcc 4.3.2. patch by Enrico Scholz -- thanks! Nov 05 23:06:56 Fougner: hi bro, what's up? Nov 05 23:07:10 openmoko: 03mickey * r4755 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog autogen.sh): opkg: remove ChangeLog, add AUTHORS, remove maintainer-mode Nov 05 23:07:25 jonkristian, gooooodd thx, how r u? Nov 05 23:08:29 Fougner: I'm good, been a rough day, trying to decide if i should continue watching the wire season 5 or flash android:D Nov 05 23:09:11 jonkristian, which is more creative? Nov 05 23:09:22 jonkristian, the .sig-errors are to be ignored right? Nov 05 23:09:23 flash android of course!!!!! Nov 05 23:09:25 ^^ Nov 05 23:09:29 yeah Nov 05 23:09:35 alright Nov 05 23:09:37 thanks Nov 05 23:09:40 Uhm, the most creative would be to sleep Nov 05 23:09:43 256mb for pictures video is not enough Nov 05 23:10:11 uhoh, I could fit my pr0n collection on that ;) Nov 05 23:11:39 hmm, i'll fight with it later. thanks for the help guys. Nov 05 23:11:56 hm, what does edje-utils utilize? Nov 05 23:12:11 slaxxin, yeah that's a funky little limit Nov 05 23:12:16 jonkristian Nov 05 23:12:31 after the opkg update, it says Installer twice down at the bottom Nov 05 23:12:32 :-| Nov 05 23:12:48 yabo: opkg upgrade and reboot Nov 05 23:13:11 oh yes i suppose thats smart.. Nov 05 23:17:30 openmoko: 03werner * r4756 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/report: Skip measurements for which no file is available. Nov 05 23:19:01 jonkristian, how do you spawn the keyboard? :S Nov 05 23:20:12 yabo: spawn the keyboard? Nov 05 23:20:28 yeah, how do i bring it out? Nov 05 23:21:17 yabo: it just came automaticly at the top left corner, for me. Nov 05 23:21:43 you need to install illume-config or something like that Nov 05 23:21:48 from the command line Nov 05 23:23:29 yeah Nov 05 23:27:04 oh ok Nov 05 23:31:20 still cant see any keyboard Nov 05 23:31:55 tried to install the matchbox-keyboard using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_install_it.3F, but the keyboard didnt seem to work Nov 05 23:33:49 oh Nov 05 23:33:55 perhaps it is because i removed multitap-pad Nov 05 23:35:57 i just got my freerunner yesterday, and android seems the most responsive of all the images i've tried, ain't that weird? Nov 05 23:37:43 responsive? Nov 05 23:38:59 jonkristian, "quick" or "fast" Nov 05 23:39:10 ah, like that Nov 05 23:39:43 ;P Nov 05 23:39:52 fastest response, maybe Nov 05 23:40:09 how can i stop the screen from fading to black from a shell? Nov 05 23:40:27 light starts, then after 2 seconds it fades out again Nov 05 23:40:38 yabooooo Nov 05 23:40:39 :O Nov 05 23:40:47 just turn it off in settings Nov 05 23:40:49 debian? Nov 05 23:40:51 xD Nov 05 23:40:54 2008.9 Nov 05 23:41:02 yeah jonkristian, but i cant reach the settings because my screen is black Nov 05 23:41:21 yabo: press the power button Nov 05 23:41:25 one small click Nov 05 23:41:43 thats in suspend mode Nov 05 23:41:49 yeah johncylee Nov 05 23:41:53 jonkristian* Nov 05 23:41:59 but it fades out again after 2 seconds Nov 05 23:43:02 click on the taskbar then the spanner that appears to turn off suspend Nov 05 23:43:16 i yanked the battery Nov 05 23:43:28 btw... hai Fougner :-R Nov 05 23:45:22 star trek Nov 05 23:45:41 is The Next Generation the only serie with jean luc picard? Nov 05 23:45:48 No. Nov 05 23:45:56 He popped up in voyager and DS9 Nov 05 23:46:00 Umm. Nov 05 23:46:02 yabo: first episode of ds9 ;) Nov 05 23:46:06 Enterprise? Nov 05 23:46:11 well Nov 05 23:46:24 the only series where he is in pretty much every episode Nov 05 23:46:26 ? Nov 05 23:46:39 yeah Nov 05 23:46:50 and in some st-movies of course Nov 05 23:47:04 Did he pop up on enterprise? Nov 05 23:47:21 you mean enterprise-the-originals (tos)? Nov 05 23:47:22 hell no Nov 05 23:47:24 Anybody teste gestures with the 2008.9 image? Nov 05 23:47:29 datenmaulwurf: no Nov 05 23:47:31 not on ST:ENT Nov 05 23:47:47 s/gestures.*$// Nov 05 23:47:58 as kirk told him in ST:7, he didn't even shit into his pampers when Kirk was already saving the world Nov 05 23:48:39 anyone know a good tutorial on using toolchain to compile kernel modules for OM (2008.9) ? I tried the rt73.ko module for WiFi stick - compiled but not working :( Nov 05 23:52:20 tng is on tv here these days you see Nov 05 23:52:25 ive never seen star trek before Nov 05 23:52:28 but i quite like this Nov 05 23:53:10 don't look too much into the details... try not to care for plotholes and stuff Nov 05 23:53:24 there are worse series Nov 05 23:53:35 but there's also much better sf on the market Nov 05 23:53:39 It's fine as long as you don't take it too seriously. Nov 05 23:53:40 sf? Nov 05 23:53:55 yabo: Science Fiction Nov 05 23:53:59 SpeedEvil: ack Nov 05 23:54:02 oh Nov 05 23:54:11 much better? Nov 05 23:54:13 like what? Nov 05 23:54:20 please dont say stargate Nov 05 23:54:25 ah now Nov 05 23:54:27 no Nov 05 23:54:30 Babylon 5. Nov 05 23:54:40 don't know too much about B5 Nov 05 23:54:46 Lexx. Nov 05 23:54:55 all that FTL is... just wrong :) Nov 05 23:55:00 mostly Nov 05 23:55:18 i'd like to see Niven's Known Space stuff on TV Nov 05 23:55:25 what do you like, Wonka? Nov 05 23:55:28 that's quite hard sf Nov 05 23:55:29 That would be interesting. Nov 05 23:55:36 Wonka: protector would be good too. Nov 05 23:55:44 SpeedEvil: that's known space universe Nov 05 23:55:54 Wonka: yes - not the kzin era though. Nov 05 23:56:00 Pern'd work well. Nov 05 23:56:10 some years before, yes Nov 05 23:56:33 the kzinti lesson was... nice :> Nov 05 23:56:36 As would the Honor Harrington series. Nov 05 23:56:44 yabo: i seem to like quite hard sf. Nov 05 23:57:00 what is hard sf? Nov 05 23:57:18 scientifically correct sf Nov 05 23:57:22 yabo: Fiction based on unreal yet self-consistent predicates. Nov 05 23:57:32 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MohsScaleOfSciFiHardness Nov 05 23:57:49 i want to remove the illume-keyboard and use the matchbox-keyboard Nov 05 23:58:01 any ideas on accomplishing this? Nov 05 23:58:07 yabo: This is not the keyboard you are looking for. Nov 05 23:58:08 http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/index.html - cool SF site Nov 05 23:58:13 why? Nov 05 23:58:36 i want e17, illume and illume-keyboard on debian... Nov 05 23:58:39 i like the matchbox-keyboard... everything else ive tried (the qt-extended and standard 2008.9 ones) are crap Nov 05 23:58:44 my fav: battlestar-galactica (the new ones) Nov 05 23:58:53 and get rid of this matchbox-keyboard Nov 05 23:59:07 or at least get a decent layout for it Nov 05 23:59:13 i tried... but it sucks Nov 05 23:59:18 Wonka, you run debian on your FR? Nov 05 23:59:27 yes Nov 06 00:00:03 have you installed something on it. except included apps? Nov 06 00:00:11 only packages Nov 06 00:00:20 I would like to know how I can get it a bit more useful Nov 06 00:00:27 and my self-written "button daemon" Nov 06 00:00:33 hmm Nov 06 00:00:44 Fougner: i mostly use it for GPS atm. tangogps rocks. Nov 06 00:00:58 ah, but how did you get it installed? Nov 06 00:01:12 and how do you access TangoGPS? Nov 06 00:01:24 Fougner: aptitude install tangogps Nov 06 00:01:29 that easy? Nov 06 00:01:30 Fougner: it's in debian Nov 06 00:01:38 Fougner: yes Nov 06 00:01:45 what about menus to start it? o.O Nov 06 00:02:00 Fougner: i use matchbox-window-manager and fbpanel Nov 06 00:02:18 ah Nov 06 00:02:33 aptitude install matchbox-window-manager fbpanel Nov 06 00:02:37 right? Nov 06 00:02:38 Fougner: wrote a config for fbpanel with buttons for tangogps, xterm and zhone Nov 06 00:02:54 yes Nov 06 00:02:58 as I said, I know nothing about it xD Nov 06 00:03:11 and also openmoko-panel-plugin Nov 06 00:03:23 can tell you more tomorrow - need to go to bed now Nov 06 00:03:35 okay, thanks, sweet dreams :) Nov 06 00:04:49 openmoko: 03werner * r4757 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/pingh: Nov 06 00:04:49 openmoko: Histogram maker that takes the guesswork out of choosing the bin size. Nov 06 00:04:49 openmoko: It's so simple - why haven't I thought of this years ago already ? Nov 06 00:05:30 hello mOko Nov 06 00:05:57 giggle Nov 06 00:05:58 moko! Nov 06 00:06:24 well, people are going to bed now, no? ^^ Nov 06 00:06:33 Most likely Nov 06 00:08:37 Wonka, name a hard sf series you like please Nov 06 00:08:57 yabo, Wonka went to bed ;) Nov 06 00:09:16 oh look.. Nov 06 00:09:18 okay :p Nov 06 00:09:59 xD Nov 06 00:10:15 yabo, du e norsk? ^^ Nov 06 00:10:34 ja Nov 06 00:10:36 :-R Nov 06 00:10:39 kult Nov 06 00:10:40 coolt =P Nov 06 00:10:43 jea :D Nov 06 00:10:44 artig Nov 06 00:11:07 hehe Nov 06 00:11:32 * Fougner brags about his freerunner Nov 06 00:11:52 I wanna try qtExt-4.4.2 )-: Nov 06 00:12:01 trondheim? Nov 06 00:12:06 :) Nov 06 00:12:33 trondheim är en stad ;D Nov 06 00:12:55 nordvästra delen av Norge, har jag fel? Nov 06 00:13:31 ah, now that explains a lot! "could not connect to org.freesmartphone.frameworkd -- is the framework daemon started?" Nov 06 00:19:27 where can I find a frameworkd.conf ? Nov 06 00:32:53 muh, modemet ville ikke mer. Nov 06 00:37:51 Anyone missing sshd on their FSOm4? Nov 06 00:41:29 benlake: you should be looking for dropbear instead Nov 06 00:44:03 mwester: indeed Nov 06 00:44:07 well crap Nov 06 00:44:13 I can ping it, but 22 is refused Nov 06 00:49:53 yabo, hi! :D Nov 06 00:51:19 hai Fougner Nov 06 00:54:37 yabo, what's up? :P Nov 06 01:07:03 hi, anyone tried to compile android with Sean McNeil patches? Nov 06 01:11:56 anyone has any ideia how to create uImage-android and android.jffs2 from android compilation output? Nov 06 01:17:00 no? Nov 06 01:29:47 What's the most stable/functional distro? 2008.9? Nov 06 01:34:02 I'm still using 2007.2 Nov 06 01:34:43 fdom Nov 06 01:34:50 qtx Nov 06 01:35:11 debian works well just needs some icon work Nov 06 01:39:25 johngay: I use 2007.2 but cann't update? Nov 06 01:42:46 Of course you can't update :P Nov 06 01:42:53 Unfortunately :( Nov 06 02:03:41 Is there any plans for 3g on the next version of the freerunner? Nov 06 02:04:11 No. Nov 06 02:04:18 Or rather - it doesn't look likel.y Nov 06 02:05:00 Simply as there hasn't been a cheap, open-source interface, small, low power, available 3G chipset. Nov 06 02:05:07 EvilRunners Nov 06 02:05:12 i gottya Nov 06 02:05:30 Not to mention that tehre are several 3G standards worldwide. Nov 06 02:05:49 it's true, Nov 06 02:06:12 Though I haven't seen the designer recently. Nov 06 02:06:22 * SpeedEvil searches for the magic-8-openmoko-ball. Nov 06 02:06:35 but if they were able to implement hsdpa etc, if the open source chipset was availiable, Nov 06 02:06:48 there would be alot of phones sold Nov 06 02:06:58 It's a clear and obvious choice if it's possible. Nov 06 02:07:14 The problem is that OM is _tiny_. Nov 06 02:07:31 An order for 5000 won't get many chipset makers to pick up the phone. Nov 06 02:08:59 yeah Nov 06 02:10:35 SpeedEvil: sucks, doesn't it? Nov 06 02:10:43 Pretty much. Nov 06 02:10:47 i guess a serious youtube advertising campaign. might do something, but there is hardly anyone in the open source world that doesnt know about it already Nov 06 02:11:00 * SpeedEvil has sort-of-that problem, but with quantities of 5-50. Nov 06 02:11:04 how popular is the iphone in india? Nov 06 02:11:07 SpeedEvil: here's movement in that dept tho Nov 06 02:11:18 raster: great! Nov 06 02:11:26 well attempts at it Nov 06 02:11:33 byt peopel with more clout than om Nov 06 02:11:37 RASTER Nov 06 02:11:53 let's see Nov 06 02:11:54 raster: FIC? Nov 06 02:11:58 hahahaha Nov 06 02:12:00 dude Nov 06 02:12:11 fic is probably one of om's PROBLEMS in getting parts Nov 06 02:12:13 * SpeedEvil has no clue of the current corporate setup. Nov 06 02:12:13 not a solution Nov 06 02:12:18 yep Nov 06 02:12:22 you dont know the half of it! Nov 06 02:12:25 Dave: yo Nov 06 02:12:36 raster: I don't know more than that! Nov 06 02:12:48 just suffice to say Nov 06 02:13:27 fic coming to the rescue is like asking sata for help with handing out the xmas presents Nov 06 02:13:28 :) Nov 06 02:13:29 raster, sheesh Nov 06 02:13:40 dont take the analogy too far! Nov 06 02:13:45 raster: SATA is great with christmas presents! Nov 06 02:13:47 haha Nov 06 02:13:53 err Nov 06 02:13:55 satan Nov 06 02:13:56 :) Nov 06 02:13:56 :) Nov 06 02:14:00 rofl Nov 06 02:14:03 I thought you meant santa Nov 06 02:14:32 there are good reasons for ti's reluctance to help with the calypso Nov 06 02:14:37 and not because it's eol'd Nov 06 02:15:28 * SpeedEvil wishes for a simple world, where every datasheet has a 'buy now' button and is complete. Nov 06 02:15:39 i was more thinking Nov 06 02:15:45 every chip has a "buy now" button Nov 06 02:15:53 and along with the buy comes the full datasheet Nov 06 02:16:02 with no strings attached Nov 06 02:17:47 That would be nice. Nov 06 02:18:03 hot! Nov 06 02:18:08 Why didn't we get that? Nov 06 02:18:11 And they have to give you copies of the firmware when it's EOLd. Nov 06 02:18:52 SpeedEvil: copies of the src Nov 06 02:18:55 and build tools Nov 06 02:19:03 And a puppy. Nov 06 02:21:06 and the puppy's full pedigree Nov 06 02:21:24 :o Nov 06 02:21:39 SpeedEvil: how's your omap toys coming? Nov 06 02:21:55 raster: STM32 - not omap. Nov 06 02:22:03 raster: having fun with the hardware design. Nov 06 02:22:10 raster: tradeoffs are fun! Nov 06 02:22:29 ooh Nov 06 02:22:38 i thought it was omap 3xxx Nov 06 02:23:06 YOU REALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THAT EASY? Nov 06 02:23:09 raster: No - STM32. Fun - 20K RAM, 64K of ROM, 32 bit 70MHz and goes down to 0.5mA@2V Nov 06 02:23:42 hmm Nov 06 02:23:43 1mw Nov 06 02:23:47 not bad Nov 06 02:23:50 raster: I'm trying to make a core board that I can plug into about a dozen projects that I've got ready to go. Nov 06 02:24:02 it'ad work as a nice pmu Nov 06 02:24:07 raster: 'ready to go' in the 'a few pages of local wiki' Nov 06 02:24:22 raster: the nicest thing is ROM RS232 bootloader. Nov 06 02:25:27 raster: that's operating - it's lots lower power if you only keep the clock awake. Nov 06 02:29:00 much less than the 2442 :) Nov 06 02:29:11 when "running" Nov 06 02:30:53 http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome if you want hardware fun (-; Nov 06 02:31:31 o.O Nov 06 02:31:50 raster: yeah - well no external RAM or MMU, or ... Nov 06 02:32:02 darn Nov 06 02:32:52 SpeedEvil: sounds like a useful pmu tho... Nov 06 02:33:09 1w in the scheme of things inst much Nov 06 02:33:11 i mean 1mw Nov 06 02:33:29 raster: possibly, yes. 1%/day. Nov 06 02:34:04 yeah Nov 06 02:34:06 just thinking Nov 06 02:34:34 1000mah or 1200/1500 Nov 06 02:35:13 the battery in the gta02 Nov 06 02:35:17 1200mah @ 3.7v Nov 06 02:35:22 thats 185 days of runtime Nov 06 02:35:26 But anyway - it's an order of magnitude less than the GSM modem. Nov 06 02:35:29 (assuming nothing else is on) Nov 06 02:35:35 yeah Nov 06 02:35:36 exactly Nov 06 02:35:55 thats hwy i was thinking "nice - no major impact, but easy to develop for arch" Nov 06 02:35:57 ie arm Nov 06 02:36:03 familiar stuff Nov 06 02:36:52 Whacha workin on? Nov 06 02:37:18 Me? Framework for an assortment of products for ebay. Nov 06 02:37:50 I'm a bit of a hardware phreq (-; Nov 06 02:38:36 But it's past my bedtime. Nov 06 02:39:06 And I gotta finish my jumps before I can spend any more money on H/W )-: Nov 06 02:39:32 * SpeedEvil is trying that much more tricky thing of getting H/W to make money. Nov 06 02:39:53 * SpeedEvil heats up the molten metal and pours it into the moulds. Nov 06 02:39:55 You mean a printing press? Nov 06 02:40:17 SpeedEvil: making your own moulds? Nov 06 02:40:18 Random electronics for ebay Nov 06 02:40:32 Everything from GPSs to mobile phones. Nov 06 02:40:40 (of very, very little brain) Nov 06 02:40:48 hehe Nov 06 02:40:51 After I finish my jumps, I want to try -> http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome Nov 06 02:41:51 man the freerunner screen is awesome... Nov 06 02:42:31 Anyway, nite all. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 06 02:59:57 2008