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Nov 07 03:20:42 <daMaestro> ok ok ok ok
Nov 07 03:25:33 <daMaestro> the wiki has improved 100 fold since the last time i've done reading
Nov 07 03:25:40 <daMaestro> good work to anyone here that has helped with that
Nov 07 03:39:55 <Dave> KenYoung!
Nov 07 03:42:38 <KenYoung> Hi Dave.
Nov 07 03:43:54 <KenYoung> Dave - what distribution do you run on your Freerunner?
Nov 07 04:07:22 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r4766 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/pingh: 
Nov 07 04:07:22 <CIA-52> openmoko: - for better readability, output filled areas, not just lines
Nov 07 04:07:22 <CIA-52> openmoko: - added option -o file.png to output the plot to a file
Nov 07 04:13:09 <gurugentoo> ok I retract my echo complaint, I fixed it with gsmhandset.state
Nov 07 04:21:42 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r608273b69f73 10/packages/ncurses/ (ncurses.inc ncurses_5.4.bb): ncurses: Let ncurses replaces libncurses5
Nov 07 04:22:27 * daMaestro wonders if the gta02 doesn't need to be nand cleaned when flashing images
Nov 07 04:27:33 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r88fcd320b2f0 10/packages/dbus/dbus.inc: dbus: adding RPROVIDES and let dbus-1 becomes a virtual package
Nov 07 04:32:19 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r75404caf5c98 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.2.1.bb: dbus: Bump up PR for last RPROVIDES change
Nov 07 04:33:42 <daMaestro> so yeah, does anyone know if the nand needs to be cleaned? i just tried flashing the rootfs and kernel and my old ASU image still boots
Nov 07 04:33:53 <daMaestro> the new spash screen flashed ok
Nov 07 04:34:56 <daMaestro> http://fpaste.org/paste/8670
Nov 07 04:44:43 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03werner * r4767 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/pingh: - reduce the initial bin to avoid cluttering the output
Nov 07 05:08:43 <daMaestro> gah, and i just tried again and it's still booting the ASU
Nov 07 05:08:48 <daMaestro> this is shitty odd
Nov 07 05:09:11 <mwester> What are you trying to do?  booting from SD?
Nov 07 05:12:32 <AntonTakk> android on the fr would be useable if it had an on screen kb and a touch screen ui for answering calls  :)
Nov 07 05:15:58 <rhkfin> This morning my FR had paniced: red aux blinking, and no response over USB and it was hot. When I restarted, I think the vibra went twice off for a second or so. Weird.
Nov 07 06:20:31 <gurugentoo> is there a log file for fso debug messages?
Nov 07 06:21:56 <gurugentoo> like frameworkd messages for what state it's in
Nov 07 06:22:15 <JCC> morning
Nov 07 06:32:57 <ChandleWEi> how to restart x server in openmoko 2008.9
Nov 07 06:33:22 <gurugentoo> try /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Nov 07 06:33:32 <ChandleWEi> thx
Nov 07 06:34:04 <ChandleWEi> I can't use fdisk -l to find my dev ? how to use fdisk?
Nov 07 06:34:53 <cjb_ie> cat /proc/partitions maybe?
Nov 07 06:42:02 <ChandleWEi> I just would fdisk my micro sd card
Nov 07 06:43:43 <tomboy64> fdisk /dev/mmcblk0
Nov 07 06:48:52 <ChandleWEi> tomboy64: I think fdisk have some problem , I can't use fdisk -l and fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 nothing show me
Nov 07 06:49:23 <tomboy64> ChandleWEi: have you ever used fdisk before?
Nov 07 06:51:36 <ChandleWEi> I just use fdisk in my debian notebook, not use in openmoko
Nov 07 06:54:47 <tomboy64> it gives errors when you do fdisk /dev/mmcblk0?
Nov 07 06:55:53 <ChandleWEi> tomboy64: yes , I type fdisk -l nothing show me , and i type fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 it show me  fdisk: cannot read from /dev/mmcblk0
Nov 07 06:56:15 <tomboy64> then your sd-card isn't installed probably.
Nov 07 06:56:30 <tomboy64> open your fr, and make sure it's put in properly
Nov 07 06:56:50 <mwester> Kensan:  http://pastebin.ca/1247616
Nov 07 06:57:06 <mwester> Kensan:  sorry for the delay :(  My mistake.
Nov 07 06:57:11 <ChandleWEi> tomboy64: I'll try again ,thx your advice
Nov 07 07:16:43 <ChandleWEi> http://www.pastie.org/309360 It's my micro sd dmesg how to fix it ?
Nov 07 07:18:49 <beni_> ChandleWEi: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards
Nov 07 07:19:21 <beni_> especially the link to ticket 1743 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743
Nov 07 07:21:30 <ChandleWEi> beni_: thx
Nov 07 07:30:16 <beni_> ChandleWEi: hope it helps
Nov 07 07:48:53 <methril> morning
Nov 07 08:00:42 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4768 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): applied patch for bug#1109: Translations for openmoko-today are not possible
Nov 07 08:02:26 <ChandleWEi> beni_: thx Now I formted ext3 ,but how to format fat32 ,I can't find mkfs.vfat, whichi package I need to install
Nov 07 08:14:12 <paulproteus> dosfstools I think?
Nov 07 08:16:59 <ChandleWEi> have anyone know which package can format fat32 ?
Nov 07 08:19:15 <beni_> ChandleWEi: format it on yopur linux host
Nov 07 08:20:05 <beni_> that should most probably have mkfs.vfat
Nov 07 08:27:56 <ChandleWEi> beni_: My computer not micro sd read socket,openmoko no package to format fat32?
Nov 07 09:27:31 <Daramarak> top of the mornin everyone!
Nov 07 09:28:15 <gurugentoo> so...anyone use vpnc?
Nov 07 09:28:32 <gurugentoo> Daramarak: ya...I should sleep
Nov 07 09:29:25 <ChandleWEi> who flash android ok ?
Nov 07 09:29:43 <ChandleWEi> I flashed just get black screen.
Nov 07 09:33:08 <Daramarak> I hear that many encounters that.
Nov 07 09:37:01 <gurugentoo> ChandleWEi: you have to have a fat and ext3 partition set up on your sd card, you'll have to dig around for the instructions
Nov 07 09:38:00 <F4t> ChandleWEi, you also should have a working sim card, and let it boot for a while first time, it takes a while before logo appears
Nov 07 09:39:34 <ChandleWEi> f4t:thx ,I never input my sim card
Nov 07 09:40:00 <ChandleWEi> gurugentoo: thx ,I alread have fat and ext3
Nov 07 09:40:25 <F4t> ChandleWEi, my android managed to boot without sim after first time, but i hear people having trouble booting it without the sim
Nov 07 09:40:54 <F4t> ChandleWEi, btw, both fat and ext3 must be primary partitions...
Nov 07 09:41:23 <F4t> ChandleWEi, and both of them empty for te first boot
Nov 07 09:41:42 <ChandleWEi> f4t: need to set boot flag?
Nov 07 09:42:01 <ChandleWEi> in ext3 and fat partition?
Nov 07 09:42:31 <ChandleWEi> f4t: I alread set two partitions as primary
Nov 07 09:44:00 <ChandleWEi> f4t:thx again
Nov 07 09:44:19 <F4t> ChandleWEi, i didnt need to set boot flag on any of them...
Nov 07 09:44:59 <F4t> ChandleWEi, anyway, when at last i used sim and paritioned sd card, it still took alot of time to boot from the black screen, and i was ready to shut it down when the logo appeared :)
Nov 07 09:46:24 <ChandleWEi> F4t:very important information ,thx
Nov 07 09:46:55 <F4t> good luck
Nov 07 09:48:10 <ChandleWEi> F4t:thx
Nov 07 09:48:36 <ChandleWEi> F4t:^_^
Nov 07 10:08:04 <Daramarak> Is there an estimate on when milestone 4 will be released? (apart from 7 days ago)
Nov 07 10:17:37 <Shlee> When its done.
Nov 07 11:16:49 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03charlie * r4770 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (11 files): Update personal wiki
Nov 07 11:22:38 <`pwgen`> leinir: hello 
Nov 07 11:29:49 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03charlie * r4771 10/developers/charlie/ (README Tests/gsm/ test_gsm/): Some updates
Nov 07 11:32:36 <F4t> hey all, did anyone toy with wicd? i need to figure out how to make it stop messing with the wired connection, dont want it to touch it at all...
Nov 07 11:34:01 <dario> there's a new kernel on mwester download page, does anyone know something about it? it is been put there on november 4th
Nov 07 11:34:58 <Kensan_> dario: which one are you talking about?
Nov 07 11:36:17 <dario> http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-gc7283981_mwester-stable.bin
Nov 07 11:36:44 <Kensan_> dario: it contains the top three patches: http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/openmoko-kernel/knife-kernel.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mwester-stable
Nov 07 11:37:14 <Kensan_> dario: basically the touchscreen patch and two minor things.
Nov 07 11:37:52 <dario> Kensan_ is it all? why mwester hasn't updated the kernel page?
Nov 07 11:37:59 <Daramarak> ohhh, my openmoko alarmclock just rang, it is 12:37 here now, the alarm was set for 06:30, looks like my FR is having a bad day :)
Nov 07 11:38:51 <dario> Daramarak: it's just 367 minutes late... not bad
Nov 07 11:38:54 <F4t> which touchscreen path? the jitter? or the rightclick?
Nov 07 11:39:17 <dario> F4t it seems to be the jitter one
Nov 07 11:39:26 <Kensan_> dario: well I don't know when he built the previous patch so I can't tell if that's the whole diff but it seems like it. I assume since these aren't major patches and he is busy with other stuff he didn't update his website.
Nov 07 11:39:26 <Daramarak> dario: Yeah, I am glad it didn't ring later, then I might have been late for work.
Nov 07 11:39:33 <dario> judging from the webpage sent cy Kensan_
Nov 07 11:40:07 <Kensan_> Daramarak: it's the jitter patch from Tick.
Nov 07 11:56:32 <laen> Darn, Zhone is one buggy app.
Nov 07 12:28:29 <sledgeas> hello
Nov 07 12:29:09 <sledgeas> i am to write a component for Zimbra for my study course. I would like to write something for openmoko (better developing on FSO i think?) could you guys say what would be most wanted, or at least to start with? thanks
Nov 07 12:32:14 <quickdev> sledgeas, there are many things to do :)
Nov 07 12:32:23 <quickdev> what are you most interested in?
Nov 07 12:32:54 <qknight_> hey
Nov 07 12:33:08 <qknight_> i want to sync my qtopia based openmoko with kaddressbook
Nov 07 12:33:11 <qknight_> how to do that?
Nov 07 12:42:37 <F4t> can anyone help me understand why i have no sound using debian?
Nov 07 12:42:50 <F4t> i already resored alsa state, and still no sound...
Nov 07 12:43:31 <chaos__> hi!
Nov 07 12:44:19 <chaos__> has anyone tryed to get gestures running? i always get the following error when i start gesd2-neo2: ** ERROR **: Got result code 2 from requesting name
Nov 07 13:00:03 <F4t> okay, /dev/dsp belongs to alsa? or some other sound system?
Nov 07 13:00:48 <lindi-> F4t: /dev/dsp is OSS
Nov 07 13:04:25 <F4t> lindi-, thank you
Nov 07 13:22:55 <peter_> hi there, trying to install Android on the FR, anyone having success with it?
Nov 07 13:23:57 <chaos__> peter_: yes
Nov 07 13:24:28 <peter_> oh, great, it seems I am stuck somewhere after the Android kernel writing down all the Android files into the ext3 partition
Nov 07 13:24:40 <peter_> then it stops booting and the red AUX LED flashes
Nov 07 13:24:53 <dolf1074> peter_: Did you everything listed on http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-started-with-android-on-neo.html?
Nov 07 13:26:15 <peter_> well, the only thing I have not done is to disable PIN security. Could that be it or would I not at least see the first graphic screen?
Nov 07 13:26:23 <dolf1074> Normally not
Nov 07 13:26:30 <sledgeas> quickdev: anything to start with then? :)
Nov 07 13:26:46 <dolf1074> You should see an loader and a screen asking for your pin
Nov 07 13:27:23 <chaos__> peter_:make sure you have formatted the sd-card with the partitions (ext3 and fat) und then with dfu-util flash it like here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
Nov 07 13:27:36 <dolf1074> The red led indicates, you have a fatal kernel error. But if you did everything listed on that blogpost, I cannot help you.
Nov 07 13:27:46 <peter_> yeah, did that, even upgraded uboot to the latest build
Nov 07 13:28:38 <dolf1074> You already tried to mount the two partitions when you on another distro?
Nov 07 13:28:41 <peter_> could there be something wrong in flashing? booted into NOR boot menu, then flashed the kernel, then booted into NAND menu and started
Nov 07 13:29:03 <dolf1074> did you flash the filesystem?
Nov 07 13:29:36 <F4t> how should i configure vlc to manage to play video on the moko? what device to use, etc...?
Nov 07 13:29:59 <peter_> yes, from Ubuntu, I actually created the partitions (SD Card, 200M FAT - 6, rest ext3) and after the crash, I see the Android files like dalvik-cache etc written to the ext3 partition when I mount the SD card in Linux again
Nov 07 13:30:12 <peter_> so it seems it is starting quite far
Nov 07 13:30:42 <dolf1074> Do you have r5 or r6 of the Neo FreeRunner?
Nov 07 13:31:17 <peter_> how can I tell?
Nov 07 13:31:26 <dolf1074> when did you get your freerunner?
Nov 07 13:31:36 <peter_> september, Sweden
Nov 07 13:31:45 <dolf1074> Than it is r6
Nov 07 13:32:28 <peter_> backside DATE CODE: 20080721
Nov 07 13:32:30 <sylar> hi, what's new with the new mwester kernel of 4 nov? oO
Nov 07 13:33:03 <dolf1074> Sorry can't help you. If it is r6, with good formatted sd, you have the same setup as me. And mine FreeRunner is working
Nov 07 13:33:16 <chaos__> F4t: where did you get the vlc player from? is there a precompiled package?
Nov 07 13:33:25 <peter_> strange. Debian, FDOM etc are working great
Nov 07 13:34:02 <dolf1074> yeah, I know
Nov 07 13:34:34 <F4t> chaos__, debian, apt-get install vlc
Nov 07 13:34:47 <peter_> could it be that there is some problem with the flashing? could the system start partly that long then?
Nov 07 13:34:59 <F4t> got audio working, once i switched to oss, alsa seems not to work...
Nov 07 13:35:03 <F4t> but still no video
Nov 07 13:36:23 <chaos__> peter_: try to partition and format the sdcard again, first delete the partitions with cfdisk (cfdisk /dev/mmcblk0), next step is to part the sd-card with with fdisk (fdisk /dev/mmcblko) and the last step is to format it with mkfs.ext3 and mkfs.vfat (for me it worked!!!)
Nov 07 13:37:02 <peter_> do I need to do that on the FR or can I use ubuntu with /dev/sdb etc?
Nov 07 13:37:41 <chaos__> peter_: i did all these steps from om2008.9 and then i restarted into NOR-boot menu and flashed the kernel and the jffs2 file-system
Nov 07 13:38:00 <jonkristian> Does android require a sim in the phone at all times?
Nov 07 13:38:07 <dolf1074> no
Nov 07 13:38:19 <dolf1074> most people can boot it whitout sim card
Nov 07 13:38:24 <jonkristian> cool
Nov 07 13:38:28 <chaos__> "most" ;)
Nov 07 13:38:33 <peter_> ok, thanks for the help, will try that, thanks for the help!
Nov 07 13:38:36 <jonkristian> How about the sd thing, where you have to re-partition
Nov 07 13:39:13 <dolf1074> You must have a sd card inserted and partitioned that way. Else android will not boot
Nov 07 13:39:25 <jonkristian> Ok
Nov 07 13:39:30 <jonkristian> dolf1074: using android now?
Nov 07 13:39:35 <chaos__> dolf1074: did you habe success with suspend mode?
Nov 07 13:39:53 <dolf1074> jonkristian: Not right now
Nov 07 13:39:55 <jonkristian> I wish i could use it with another system on the sd though
Nov 07 13:40:10 <lindi-> ril does not even mention suspend
Nov 07 13:40:37 <dolf1074> chaos__: yes, but it was very unreliable. If I had a sim card inserted and manually suspended it, I could unsuspend it. In all other situations, it didn't work 
Nov 07 13:40:38 <F4t> did someone think of overclocking the arm4?
Nov 07 13:41:29 <chaos__> dolf1074: me too ... android is an nice os, but the battery life is too short : /
Nov 07 13:41:56 <dolf1074> jonkristian: Normally, you can do that. You can make 4 partitions and than flash another system to the third and fourth partition and set uboot in multiboot
Nov 07 13:42:07 <lindi-> any idea why they used C for parsing AT commands?
Nov 07 13:42:39 <dolf1074> chaos__: yes, and without a virtual keyboard, it is rather not useful 
Nov 07 13:42:51 <Dave> hoi o/
Nov 07 13:43:42 <dolf1074> hey,
Nov 07 13:44:42 <chaos__> dolf1074: you are right! i found an interessting project here: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ ---> it's a android port to the htc vogue and a virtual keyboard is compiled into the kernel
Nov 07 13:45:43 <jonkristian> dolf1074: I only have the 512 card
Nov 07 13:45:43 <jonkristian> Im waiting for my paycheck, to buy a larger card, maybe sdhc:)
Nov 07 13:45:43 <jonkristian> ping
Nov 07 13:46:06 <jonkristian> ouch, every time i connect my fr i lose wireless on the laptop, lol
Nov 07 13:46:51 <dolf1074> nice, hope it will be ported to opendroid (openmoko + android) :p
Nov 07 13:46:51 <chaos__> lol
Nov 07 13:47:08 <chaos__> muhaha, nice name ; )
Nov 07 13:48:20 <peter_> flashing 2008.09 ...
Nov 07 13:49:27 <jonkristian> Hm, did calling/sms recently update in android?
Nov 07 13:49:35 <dolf1074> no
Nov 07 13:49:37 <dolf1074> why
Nov 07 13:49:39 <jonkristian> Or has it been functional since the first image
Nov 07 13:49:48 <dolf1074> yeah, it was functional
Nov 07 13:49:52 <jonkristian> I just don't remember seeing it as a feature when the first image came out
Nov 07 13:49:56 <jonkristian> ah, alright
Nov 07 13:50:16 <dolf1074> (expect for the stupid people like me who put there sim card the wrong way around in his freerunner)
Nov 07 13:50:40 <jonkristian> LOL
Nov 07 13:50:52 <jonkristian> I did that one time, scratched my head for a bit
Nov 07 13:51:29 <dolf1074> And I told everybody my Android was thumb because he said I didn't have a Sim card inserted :(
Nov 07 13:52:18 <jonkristian> I guess you were relieved to find out what was wrong then:)
Nov 07 13:52:34 <dolf1074> yeah
Nov 07 13:52:50 <dolf1074> but that was after I already flashed om2008.9
Nov 07 13:53:07 <jonkristian> ah
Nov 07 13:53:10 <dolf1074> I found it weird, that my SIM wasn't working there either
Nov 07 13:53:12 <jonkristian> that sucks
Nov 07 13:53:16 <jonkristian> hehe
Nov 07 13:53:27 <jonkristian> Ouch, it's always those stupid little things
Nov 07 13:53:44 <dolf1074> yeah
Nov 07 13:55:40 <jonkristian> hm, what's adb? http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/
Nov 07 13:56:01 <dolf1074> some script for communicating with the android
Nov 07 13:56:17 <gromez> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3#Tools
Nov 07 13:56:25 <jonkristian> thanks
Nov 07 13:56:28 <dolf1074> 'adb install blablab.apk' installs a andoird app
Nov 07 13:56:32 <jonkristian> ah
Nov 07 14:01:32 <jonkristian> can i force an umount of the sd card, it doesn't want to umount, says drive or rescourse busy
Nov 07 14:02:07 <gromez> jonkristian: try to kill qpe
Nov 07 14:02:21 <jonkristian> thanks
Nov 07 14:03:33 <DocScrutinizer2> fuser or lsof
Nov 07 14:05:19 <DocScrutinizer2> jonkristian: fuser even has an option to kill all processes occupying a particular file/dir
Nov 07 14:05:26 <jonkristian> DocScrutinizer2: sweet
Nov 07 14:18:17 <F4t> did anyone manage to make mplayer with glamo driver work for him?
Nov 07 14:37:48 <jonkristian> anybody able to ssh into android?
Nov 07 14:38:53 <jonkristian> usb
Nov 07 14:52:59 <bricode> jonkristian: Not at the moment. Same with adb.
Nov 07 14:53:24 <bricode> jonkristian: Currently I'm running it in a chroot under Debian for debugging purposes.
Nov 07 14:59:50 <phobie> what package is missing?
Nov 07 14:59:51 <phobie> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ogpsd was not provided by any .service files
Nov 07 15:00:16 <jonkristian> hmz
Nov 07 15:00:27 <jonkristian> My micro sd card adapter doesn't seem to wrk:/
Nov 07 15:01:51 <mwester> jonkristian:  how so?
Nov 07 15:02:12 <jonkristian> nvmd, just had to insert it a couple of 15 times
Nov 07 15:02:13 <sicu> ~scream
Nov 07 15:02:14 <apt> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Nov 07 15:02:15 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 07 15:02:47 <jonkristian> time to populate some media:)
Nov 07 15:03:22 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> hi i have a neo 1973
Nov 07 15:03:30 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> and  I need to install a working distro to it
Nov 07 15:03:50 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, you got the device?
Nov 07 15:04:11 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: no its lawgon's 1973
Nov 07 15:04:19 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> i am with him
Nov 07 15:04:35 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: you used this phone right?
Nov 07 15:04:37 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, where?
Nov 07 15:04:40 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, yeah
Nov 07 15:04:55 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, i was playing it with for a while
Nov 07 15:04:55 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: he is asking me to make it working for him..
Nov 07 15:05:04 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: he has come over for a workshop near my city.. so i joined in to conduct a Sahana workshop
Nov 07 15:05:10 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: he said, he bought it for you :P
Nov 07 15:05:15 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, :D
Nov 07 15:05:16 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: its not charging up or what
Nov 07 15:05:44 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, the battery must be completely drained..connect it to the USB and let it be there for a few hours
Nov 07 15:05:52 <sudharsh_> then switch it on to charge
Nov 07 15:06:05 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: does it show any light or activity on charging ?
Nov 07 15:06:34 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, no, afaik..since it doesnt have LEDs as the freerunner
Nov 07 15:07:03 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: tell me what do i need to make it a working phone
Nov 07 15:07:07 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> he will leave tomorrow
Nov 07 15:07:13 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> so
Nov 07 15:08:03 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, i think, the latest qtopia images should give him a working phone...am not sure about OM2008 on the neo1973..maybe someone here can enlighten us on that
Nov 07 15:09:44 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: ok looking.. can you link me to the page to install those images> i am on a slow connection at the moment
Nov 07 15:09:54 <jonkristian> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973
Nov 07 15:10:15 <jonkristian> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Flashing_the_Neo1973_GTA01Bv4
Nov 07 15:10:26 <sudharsh_> thanks jonkristian 
Nov 07 15:10:30 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, ^^
Nov 07 15:10:35 <jonkristian> hmz
Nov 07 15:10:48 <jonkristian> anybody got sd card error on android?
Nov 07 15:10:54 <jonkristian> when accessing video/music etc..
Nov 07 15:10:58 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> ok thanks
Nov 07 15:11:16 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> android working on FR ?
Nov 07 15:11:27 <jonkristian> ya
Nov 07 15:11:30 <jonkristian> barely
Nov 07 15:12:43 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, "It is likely it will be some months before any 2008.x release works on the 1973. In the mean time, users are encouraged to use 2008.2 or FSO." from the wiki
Nov 07 15:12:58 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> bah ok :P
Nov 07 15:13:25 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: i hope you have me and know him well.. so tell me what shall i install for him :P
Nov 07 15:13:48 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> met him*
Nov 07 15:14:11 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, he is too old to have neo1973 (but dont tell him this)
Nov 07 15:14:59 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, flash qtopia then
Nov 07 15:15:19 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: link to download?
Nov 07 15:15:48 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: and your a bitch :P i will tell him that you said so.. he is a nice person :P and didnt he give you this phone ;)
Nov 07 15:16:14 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, hehe
Nov 07 15:17:16 <sudharsh_> AJuOnLiNE|sh, just a sec
Nov 07 15:25:28 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> sudharsh_: leaving for dinner
Nov 07 15:25:41 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> pm on lawgon's irc nick the link
Nov 07 15:25:47 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> we are at a college
Nov 07 15:25:49 <AJuOnLiNE|sh> ok?
Nov 07 15:26:00 <Ainulindale> Any C/gcc/makefile expert around to help me solve cc1: error: .libs/myfile.d: No such file or directory ?
Nov 07 15:26:03 <Ainulindale> (this file should be generated)
Nov 07 15:27:35 <Ke> not automake?
Nov 07 15:28:18 <prosoft> bricode: How's things coming along with the porting of android?
Nov 07 15:31:24 <Ainulindale> Ke: autotools were used
Nov 07 15:35:01 <bricode> prosoft: It's coming along. I've got a flesystem image building. Am doing kernel work.
Nov 07 15:35:57 <F4t> bricode, this is a different port from the one avalible?
Nov 07 15:36:20 <bricode> Different kernel yes. Slightly different filesystem image.
Nov 07 15:37:09 <bricode> Getting a build system up and running was a bit of a challenge.
Nov 07 15:38:53 <jonkristian> anybody running fdom? Just wondering how it is compared to qtextended/2008.9 in functionality.
Nov 07 15:50:13 <phobie> on the current fso the gps does not work how to fix that?
Nov 07 15:51:29 <slaxxin> fdom is more usable
Nov 07 15:51:37 <slaxxin>  mostly
Nov 07 15:51:50 <phobie> jonkristian: read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions and add something if you know more
Nov 07 15:52:14 <phobie> slaxxin: fdom is badly slow and I want to develop stuff
Nov 07 15:53:05 <simond> bricode: beep
Nov 07 15:53:22 <bricode> simond: bop
Nov 07 15:53:37 <phobie> the ogpsd_methods.py from git shows: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ogpsd was not provided by any .service files
Nov 07 15:54:05 <duffolonious> can the phone receive calls when in sleep (standby) mode?
Nov 07 15:55:22 <mwester> duffolonious:  if its working correctly, yes.
Nov 07 15:57:15 <duffolonious> mwester: ok, cool.  thanks
Nov 07 16:06:06 <phobie> Is the current dbus-tree documented somewhere?
Nov 07 16:08:41 <PBeck> ahoi
Nov 07 16:08:43 <Torikun> QTOPIA Extended has the best batterly life in the world
Nov 07 16:08:51 <Torikun> I phone has been in my bag for days
Nov 07 16:08:55 <Torikun> and fully charged
Nov 07 16:09:11 <Torikun> never mind
Nov 07 16:09:15 <Torikun> 30% left
Nov 07 16:09:22 <Torikun> Still a big improvement
Nov 07 16:10:31 <alphaone> yeah, noticed that as well
Nov 07 16:10:48 <quickdev> what's the difference?
Nov 07 16:10:50 <Torikun> GOod Job WT
Nov 07 16:10:52 <Torikun> *QT
Nov 07 16:13:34 <quickdev> alphaone, Torikun, but the kernel is the same? Userland improvements?
Nov 07 16:13:45 <Torikun> TThey use a modified kernel
Nov 07 16:13:56 <alphaone> quickdev: I always flash the latest kernel
Nov 07 16:14:25 <alphaone> Actually I am using fso-image
Nov 07 16:14:27 <alphaone> not qt
Nov 07 16:33:48 <quickdev> alphaone, could you imagine why the battery life is much longer on qt extended?
Nov 07 16:34:41 <alphaone> quickdev: We need "extended" in our name?
Nov 07 16:34:43 <alphaone> :-)
Nov 07 16:34:50 <alphaone> No, sorry, no plan
Nov 07 16:34:51 <quickdev> no, seriously ;)
Nov 07 16:35:19 <alphaone> I didn't even know that their battery life was so much longer until a couple minutes ago
Nov 07 16:42:28 <Ainulindale> quickdev: because it doesn't boot ?
Nov 07 16:47:46 <break_free> i have two partitions on my uSD card. mmcblk0p1 (8mb) and mmcblk0p2 (480mb), how do I delete them so I can put in paritions for android? 
Nov 07 16:48:13 <break_free> in fdisk it asks for parition number when I want to delete, but fdisk -l doesn't show the partition numbers
Nov 07 16:48:25 <techiem2-r> try cfdisk
Nov 07 16:48:27 <Dave> cfdisk?
Nov 07 16:48:32 <Dave> techy ;D
Nov 07 16:48:34 <techiem2-r> assuming it's there
Nov 07 16:48:40 <Dave> you can install it!
Nov 07 16:48:58 <break_free> what does cfdisk do better than fdisk? 
Nov 07 16:49:42 <Dave> just try it and see :p
Nov 07 16:49:55 <break_free> I shall 
Nov 07 16:50:46 <Dave> Good!
Nov 07 16:52:13 <F4t> Dave, wheres the fully ported android?
Nov 07 16:52:42 <Dave> Please be patient!
Nov 07 16:52:47 <dolf1074> F4t: fully ported android?
Nov 07 16:52:48 <Dave> While we convert the heathens!
Nov 07 16:53:41 <Dave> Dolf, I think he meant, have everything working.
Nov 07 16:53:47 <Dave> Which presently, it is not, I'm afraid.
Nov 07 16:54:08 <Kensan_> go spank bricode and Sean *hehe*
Nov 07 16:54:13 <dolf1074> ah zo
Nov 07 16:54:23 <Dave> better yet, lock them in a closet together
Nov 07 16:54:32 <Dave> ;p
Nov 07 16:54:50 <break_free> Dave, I heart cfdisk
Nov 07 16:55:03 <techiem2-r> :)
Nov 07 16:57:00 <bricode> break_free: what does fdisk -l /dev/whatever give you?
Nov 07 16:57:24 <bricode> break_free: You don't need to delete the partitions on the sdcard. Android creates a directory called /data on there.
Nov 07 16:58:13 <mwester> Dave is porting android for us, too?  Excellent!
Nov 07 16:58:22 <Kensan_> see, just mention his name and voilà: prime support. :)
Nov 07 16:58:27 <break_free> bricode, it gave me mmcblk0p1 and mmcblk0p2, but i deleted those
Nov 07 16:58:52 <Kensan_> bricode: sorry about the joking... I have no intention keeping you away from work ;)
Nov 07 16:59:03 <break_free> now I'm just making two partitions, one 256mb FAT32 and one 256mb ext3
Nov 07 17:00:10 <bricode> break_free: That should do it. 
Nov 07 17:00:25 <break_free> in cfdisk when I'm choosing type, is "extended" for ext3? 
Nov 07 17:00:28 <bricode> Kensan: No worries. Just waiting for a a fresh kernel compile
Nov 07 17:00:37 <bricode> break_free: nope, both should be priary
Nov 07 17:00:56 <Kensan_> bricode: oh cool. 2.6.26?
Nov 07 17:01:25 <bricode> Kensan_: Yes 2.6.26 with some cherry picked patches.
Nov 07 17:01:29 <Dave> Mwester, apparently.
Nov 07 17:01:33 <break_free> bricode, no I mean when i'm choosing the filesystem type
Nov 07 17:01:34 <Dave> By popular demand!
Nov 07 17:01:51 <Kensan_> bricode: nice. Keep me posted how that works out.
Nov 07 17:01:59 <bricode> Kensan_: Some of the stuff was irritating to backport to 2.6.24.
Nov 07 17:02:22 * mwester notes that *everyone* seems to be working on 2.6.26 or higher, when 2.6.24 is the only version that actually can resume from a suspend still...  how curous.
Nov 07 17:02:28 <Dave> yeah
Nov 07 17:02:37 <Dave> I was just about to inquire about 2.6.27
Nov 07 17:02:40 <Dave> heh
Nov 07 17:03:09 <mwester> If android requires 2.6.26, then Om will do 2.6.26.  Otherwise, I suspect Om will jump to 2.6.28
Nov 07 17:03:11 <Dave> Mwester, yeah, it seems some stuff was broken or overlooked...
Nov 07 17:03:14 <Kensan_> mwester: did you see the new repos at git.openmoko.org? The gta03-test-suite? Seems like full steam ahead with gta03...
Nov 07 17:03:21 <Dave> mwester - gah!
Nov 07 17:03:42 <mwester> Kensan_: I try not to watch that any more.  It raises my blood pressure too much.
Nov 07 17:03:42 <Dave> Kensan, and negative steam ahead with gta02 :*(
Nov 07 17:03:48 <Dave> Mwester - yeah :|
Nov 07 17:03:51 <Kensan_> Dave: 2.6.27 is awesome! *hehe*
Nov 07 17:03:51 <Dave> I'm with you.
Nov 07 17:04:00 <Dave> (less the mmHg)
Nov 07 17:04:00 <break_free> anyone? in cfdisk when I'm choosing the filesystem type, is "extended" equivalent to ext3? 
Nov 07 17:04:05 <mwester> break_free:  no
Nov 07 17:04:12 * Dave throws a bricked freerunner at kensan
Nov 07 17:04:20 <Dave> might as well be a brick :p
Nov 07 17:04:22 <break_free> mwester, I don't see a ext3 in the list
Nov 07 17:04:32 <mwester> break_free:  avoid extended whenever possible, because not all systems support that.
Nov 07 17:04:33 * Kensan_ catches it and sells it to some unsuspecting customer
Nov 07 17:04:35 <Dave> 83?
Nov 07 17:04:41 <mwester> break_free:  partitions are not filesystem types.
Nov 07 17:04:48 <Dave> Kensan, how DARE you profit from your beating!!
Nov 07 17:04:52 <break_free> my bad
Nov 07 17:04:57 <break_free> Dave, ah 83... thanks
Nov 07 17:05:04 <Dave> :)
Nov 07 17:05:10 <Kensan_> Dave: well how should I put it... "you gotta feed zee monkey"
Nov 07 17:05:26 <Dave> in this case, that would be... your significant other?
Nov 07 17:05:28 <Dave> ;p
Nov 07 17:05:47 <Kensan_> Dave: touché that one goes to you.
Nov 07 17:06:05 * Kensan_ bows to Dave
Nov 07 17:06:59 <Dave> :]
Nov 07 17:07:43 * mwester still needs a FR that shows the WSoD problem.
Nov 07 17:07:57 <mwester> Dave: you have loads of FRs -- got any with the WSoD problem?
Nov 07 17:08:00 <mwester> :p
Nov 07 17:08:08 <Dave> Mwester, I thought be discussed this before.
Nov 07 17:08:15 <Dave> Mwester, I believe I've experienced it twice.
Nov 07 17:08:21 <Dave> but only when trying 2008
Nov 07 17:08:27 <Dave> then I stopped trying it. :p
Nov 07 17:08:41 <Dave> I've gotten the OMSoD a few times though. :\
Nov 07 17:08:51 <Dave> Though I think that was the result of a former kernel bug
Nov 07 17:08:53 <mwester> Well, I can understand that.  One attempt at 2008.x is bad enough.
Nov 07 17:09:17 <Dave> Mwester, I believe I made three, two ended up in aggravation so I trashed it.
Nov 07 17:09:39 <Dave> Like 1/6-7 boots was WSoD or some shit, and I couldn't tolerate that.
Nov 07 17:09:42 <bricode> I only tried 2008.x when it was formerly known as ASU.
Nov 07 17:09:52 <Dave> formerly known as the artist...
Nov 07 17:10:05 <Kensan_> formerly known as WTFBBQoD
Nov 07 17:10:07 <Dave> formerly known as ... stinky cheese.
Nov 07 17:10:21 <Dave> Kensan, that's where you'll be cremated.
Nov 07 17:10:26 <mwester> Kensan_: your debug board?
Nov 07 17:10:33 <Dave> hah!
Nov 07 17:10:34 <Kensan_> mwester: at home
Nov 07 17:10:38 <Dave> Is that still fucked up?
Nov 07 17:10:49 <Kensan_> mwester: will give it another shot later
Nov 07 17:10:52 <mwester> ah, hence the "_" on your nick.
Nov 07 17:10:53 <Kensan_> mwester: are you around?
Nov 07 17:10:57 <Kensan_> mwester: indeed
Nov 07 17:12:03 <mwester> I are around - right now.  Got more meetings this afternoon, and then the weekend.  And for some reason, three customer visits next week, followed by three more the week after, all in different cities. So my time to work on this stuff will be limited a bit.
Nov 07 17:12:34 <Kensan|work-supp> mwester: yeah, that sentence was not very clear. Are you around in 2-3 hours?
Nov 07 17:13:04 <mwester> For a short while.
Nov 07 17:13:24 <Dave> Mwester, by the way, just to give you a little info - The main thing to note is that OM2007 or some variant has always been my primary distro on the devices, hence, I did not experience much of the same issues "moving forward".
Nov 07 17:13:27 <mwester> Then I'll be around again in about 5 hours.
Nov 07 17:14:55 <nemik> anyone does Qt dev here? i'm confused about it
Nov 07 17:14:56 <Kensan|work-supp> mwester: ok 5 hrs sounds ok.
Nov 07 17:15:00 <mwester> Dave: I'm just kidding you, really -- IMO either Om needs to focus on fixing the GTA02 glamo resume problem, or if they truely are going to leave that dangle for the community to fix, then they should provide a recent GTA02 with the problem to some volunteers to work on.
Nov 07 17:15:26 <mwester> I'm not saying "give", more like "loan"
Nov 07 17:16:16 <Kensan|work-supp> mwester: more like: do something about this... please.
Nov 07 17:16:22 <kobh> hello
Nov 07 17:16:29 <kobh> i am on 2008.9
Nov 07 17:16:45 <kobh> how do i register to the gsm-network?
Nov 07 17:16:51 <kobh> scratch that
Nov 07 17:17:06 <kobh> what do i do to enable sms/calling?
Nov 07 17:18:21 <Dave> Yeah.
Nov 07 17:18:30 <Dave> Mwester, I'll see what I can do :)
Nov 07 17:18:53 <Dave> kobh: haha. good question!
Nov 07 17:19:02 <Dave> Though I'm guessing you really weren't joking.
Nov 07 17:19:03 <mwester> Kensan|work:  I guess I'll send an email to the kernel list to see if Andy did commit (or will commit) a hack to do a full hardware reset of the glamo on unblank and resume so that the 2.6.26 stuff is somewhat usable.  It isn't going to get any easier to migrate to newer kernels by waiting, and since Android is already 2.6.26 we're going to have to split support efforts, which is pointless.
Nov 07 17:20:07 <Kensan|work> mwester: well the longer om waits the more man-power the upstreaming effort will consume...
Nov 07 17:20:24 <toggles_w> hmm android will bet ready on 2/6/26? Im not sure I can wait
Nov 07 17:20:33 <toggles_w> Dave: fix me a keyboard
Nov 07 17:20:36 <Kensan|work> mwester: at least Werner is running his stuff by Ben...
Nov 07 17:20:40 <Dave> Toggles, first things first!
Nov 07 17:20:45 <kobh> no funnehs, all serious. When i try to dial numbers, i am told to shoo, because i am not connected to gsm
Nov 07 17:21:13 <Dave> God, the OM team is what seems to be nothing more than a soap opera these days. :)
Nov 07 17:21:16 <mwester> There's also distro issues to consider -- the /sys naming conventions will change with 2.6.26, so FSO and Qtx will need updates too.
Nov 07 17:21:34 <Dave> yeah, qtx, get with the program.
Nov 07 17:21:41 <mwester> Dave: did you see the latest Testing Report email ;)
Nov 07 17:21:48 <Dave> Oh geeze, no...
Nov 07 17:22:08 <Dave> Dude, I'm telling you, reading the ml these days is better than daytime television!
Nov 07 17:22:39 <mwester> 1 new bug opened, three closed.   Good ratio, but the absolute numbers are, um, concerning.
Nov 07 17:23:03 <Kensan|work> mwester: I am not so worried about fso. Things will get fixed there quite quickly I believe.
Nov 07 17:23:15 <Dave> Disturbing.
Nov 07 17:23:18 <Kensan|work> mwester: as long as the kernel work moves forward... back-to-basics remember?
Nov 07 17:23:21 <Kensan|work> *sigh*
Nov 07 17:23:24 <mwester> Yep.  QTx is well-abstracted, so that will be an easy update too.
Nov 07 17:23:42 <Dave> Yeah, unfortunately it doesn't seem like there's enough b2b going on in here and now.
Nov 07 17:23:43 <mwester> But it will take some time and there will be Great Confusion(tm)
Nov 07 17:23:48 <Dave> It concerns me greatly.
Nov 07 17:24:09 <Dave> It frequently seems that progress and time with OM are nearly inversely proportional.
Nov 07 17:24:34 <Dave> They are undoing themselves in some areas. -_-
Nov 07 17:24:42 <Kensan|work> mwester: well as past discussion have shown, userspace breakage is not on the top of the list of concerns I fear...
Nov 07 17:25:01 <Dave> Kensan, I just hope it's still ON the list! :x
Nov 07 17:25:25 <mwester> Kensan|work:  :)  there's a bright spot of light -- Werner seems to be very well organized and focused on the troublesome wifi -- it now works as a module (which was the gating issue preventing it from being powered on/off properly) and he's on the latency problem.  All good.
Nov 07 17:25:53 <Kensan|work> mwester: yes, he's been focused on his share of issues all along.
Nov 07 17:26:25 <Kensan|work> mwester: and he has uttered some concerns about sending patches mainline and that if they don't change their workflow it will (again) eat up a ton of time.
Nov 07 17:26:52 <Kensan|work> mwester: it's because he knows ho it's supposed to work.
Nov 07 17:26:55 <Kensan|work> imho
Nov 07 17:26:57 <mwester> :)
Nov 07 17:27:30 <Kensan|work> but there does not seem to be enough momentum to finally crush the suspendresume stuff
Nov 07 17:28:00 <mwester> The charging logic is broken; I'm afraid I don't share Andy's optimism that it will end up fixed as a side-effect of the reorg of the code for upstream, but it does seem reasonable to not bother to fix it on the 2.6.24 kernel...
Nov 07 17:28:19 <mwester> So overall, I agree with the direction, except for the suspend/resume focus.
Nov 07 17:29:30 <mwester> heh - and the decaying video data issue -- that's rather intruiging.  I suspect that if someone "pulls on that thread" we might find another clue to the glamo's internal behavior.
Nov 07 17:29:59 <Kensan|work> yeah, that was a rather puzzling read :)
Nov 07 17:31:36 <Dave> SEKRETZ
Nov 07 17:31:56 <Dave> Mwester, I hope I can help :)
Nov 07 17:32:15 <Dave> Seeing how I always seem to have time, when it comes to breaking the freerunner.
Nov 07 17:32:21 <Dave> haha oh great
Nov 07 17:32:53 * Dave just picked up a pile of papers and found another freerunner lying in a box of extra spearmint
Nov 07 17:37:10 <break_free> so I tried flashing the android images... but now my phone won't boot past the splash... should I wait or is something wrong
Nov 07 17:37:52 <F4t> break_free, you see the splash image?
Nov 07 17:38:00 <Wonka> np: The Clash - Should I Wai^W Stay Or Should I Go
Nov 07 17:38:03 <F4t> break_free, i mean the android logo?
Nov 07 17:38:09 <break_free> F4t, the openmoko one, not the android logo
Nov 07 17:38:33 <F4t> break_free, wokring sim inserted? sd card partitioned with 2 partitions fat and ext3 both primary?
Nov 07 17:38:40 <Dave> haha
Nov 07 17:38:42 <break_free> F4t, yes
Nov 07 17:38:57 <Dave> at least it's not the blank screen, right? ;p
Nov 07 17:39:03 <break_free> haha, yeah
Nov 07 17:39:07 <F4t> break_free, black screen? or back-lit back screen?
Nov 07 17:39:12 <F4t> black*
Nov 07 17:39:14 <break_free> it's just stuck at the openmoko splash screen
Nov 07 17:39:17 <break_free> backlit
Nov 07 17:39:21 <Dave> o_O
Nov 07 17:39:33 <F4t> so stuck on black or stuck on openmoko splash screen?
Nov 07 17:39:36 <Dave> CONFLICTING INFORMATION DETECTED; ABORTING ASSISTANCE
Nov 07 17:39:40 <F4t> LOL
Nov 07 17:39:54 <break_free> F4t, i'm stuck at the openmoko splash screen
Nov 07 17:40:22 <F4t> break_free, never happened to me, i got stuck in black screen a while, but never on the openmoko logo...
Nov 07 17:40:29 <F4t> break_free, did you try to boot from the nand?
Nov 07 17:40:30 <break_free> weird, should I reflash? 
Nov 07 17:40:38 <break_free> from uboot? 
Nov 07 17:40:51 <F4t> btw, did you flash kernel AND the rootfs?
Nov 07 17:41:06 <break_free> F4t, yeah, i believe so :)
Nov 07 17:41:23 <F4t> try booting from nand... (did you ever update your uboot?)
Nov 07 17:41:56 <break_free> i haven't updated the uboot... but booting from nand i get a backlit blank screen which looks more promising
Nov 07 17:43:00 <F4t> break_free, wait about 5 minutes in the back-lit black screen, see if android logo appears
Nov 07 17:43:40 <break_free> F4t, got the android  logo and pulsing dude
Nov 07 17:44:25 <break_free> F4t, it worked, thanks
Nov 07 17:44:57 * mwester wishes he had some idea what his android "make" is doing... :D
Nov 07 17:45:00 <F4t> break_free, np, have fun, and dont discharge the batery too much (dont think android is capable of charging from usb)
Nov 07 17:45:19 <toggles_w> mwester: looking for the keyboard
Nov 07 17:45:30 <break_free> oh... that sucks
Nov 07 17:45:42 <break_free> F4t, it's showing the charging icon
Nov 07 17:45:47 <mwester> target thumb C++: libwebcore <= external/webkit/WebCore/html/HTMLButtonElement.cpp
Nov 07 17:46:09 <mwester> I'd like to know where it found a C++ compiler... or if it built it's own toolchain already... :D
Nov 07 17:46:27 <F4t> break_free, it also lit the orange led in the power button for me, but watch the battery power level, mine never raised
Nov 07 17:46:51 <mwester> The orange led suffers a bit from lack of information.
Nov 07 17:47:27 <mwester> I'd like to see it "pulse" in a pattern that would indicate if it's the 100ma low charge, the 500ma USB charge, or the 1A charge.
Nov 07 17:47:48 <mwester> I just haven't gotten around to actually writing any patches to do that. :)
Nov 07 17:47:49 <F4t> would you like it to bring you cofee?
Nov 07 17:47:53 <mwester> Yes.
Nov 07 17:47:58 <mwester> Tick has one with legs.
Nov 07 17:48:01 <F4t> and patch its own code...
Nov 07 17:48:02 <mwester> That's a start.
Nov 07 17:48:06 <F4t> hehe
Nov 07 17:48:37 <mwester> The led is a kernel thing, so that's independent of user-space.
Nov 07 17:51:36 <break_free> anyone working on a on-screen keyboard for android? 
Nov 07 17:52:08 <toggles_w> break_free: Dave is
Nov 07 17:52:13 <break_free> nice
Nov 07 17:52:26 <toggles_w> break_free: kidding
Nov 07 17:52:39 <toggles_w> but he takes all android questions for noone pesters mwester
Nov 07 17:52:47 <F4t> Dave is also working on a real downloadable sliding keyboard, to make it like the G1 device...
Nov 07 17:52:57 <toggles_w> and the camera drivers
Nov 07 17:53:07 <Dave> and a cup holder
Nov 07 17:53:23 <F4t> sun-bed?
Nov 07 17:53:27 <Kensan|work> Dave: we should call mwesters clients and tell them that he is busy ;)
Nov 07 17:53:32 <toggles_w> after the kitchen sink
Nov 07 17:53:47 <break_free> haha
Nov 07 17:54:09 <Dave> :p
Nov 07 17:54:27 <toggles_w> dammit where did the debina packages go?
Nov 07 18:16:14 <bricode> mwester: beware the Android toolchain is broken for ARMv4.
Nov 07 18:16:35 <Dave> \o/
Nov 07 18:16:59 <Dave> Beware, the coming droid army...
Nov 07 18:17:23 <mwester> bricode:  Does it build to completion, or does the build fail?
Nov 07 18:19:02 <bricode> mwester: Oh, it builds to completion. But when you run it, it just crashes with an illegal instruction.
Nov 07 18:19:07 <bricode> Super handy.
Nov 07 18:19:14 <Dave> hot
Nov 07 18:19:30 <Dave> that's almost as good as trap error -13
Nov 07 18:19:52 <bricode> I've been cursing so uch in the last week as I had to build a new toolchain, patch the tree (with patches from Sean and Ben), and build.
Nov 07 18:19:56 <bricode> Ditto with kernel.
Nov 07 18:20:14 <mwester> Ah, ok.  Well, it'll do for my 9-5 job.  (it turns out that one of my customers will be working with Android, so I need to do a little work to support them -- kinda nice when your real job and your hobby intersect (even though I really don't like Java at all))
Nov 07 18:21:43 <bricode> I've got a toolchain should you like it.
Nov 07 18:30:44 <Dave> Mwester :)
Nov 07 18:35:12 <muhxe> my debian installation alwasy exits because unmount fails, because "device is busy", but i cant tell which programm blocks the card
Nov 07 18:35:28 <muhxe> does someone knows a solution?
Nov 07 18:35:41 <F4t> /etc/init.d/qpe stop
Nov 07 18:35:47 <muhxe> i did that
Nov 07 18:35:52 <F4t> killall qpe
Nov 07 18:36:08 <muhxe> in fact the second one is what i did ;)
Nov 07 18:36:17 <muhxe> the first one didnt work afterwards
Nov 07 18:36:19 <F4t> not much else should be accessing the sd card... :-
Nov 07 18:36:20 <cjb_ie> see if you have fuser or lsof to tell you what's keeping stuff open
Nov 07 18:36:21 <F4t> :-/
Nov 07 18:38:05 <muhxe> mhh sh
Nov 07 18:38:29 <muhxe> fuser /media/card tells me a pid which should be sh
Nov 07 18:38:51 <muhxe> :)
Nov 07 18:39:22 <jonkristian> splash-write not found in qte, any ideas?
Nov 07 18:39:53 <jonkristian> nvmnd, hehe
Nov 07 18:41:20 <peter___> hi there, I am wondering if there is any possiblity to get some output or boot log from the Android kernel on the SD card where the other stuff is written (ext3 partition) or console?
Nov 07 18:45:28 <muhxe> ok i rebooted and now nothing blocks my SD, thanks
Nov 07 18:47:40 <bricode> peter___: Android is fairly difficult to get into and debug at the moment. I've been running it in a chroot environment under Debian for debugging.
Nov 07 18:47:46 <nemik> so...qt for embedded, is that different from qt-extended?
Nov 07 18:52:36 <peter___> bricode: thanks! so, if I am getting the red flashing LED, data is written to the ext3 partition on the SD card, I am basically out of luck and have to wait until something more verbose is available to track this down?
Nov 07 18:53:19 <bricode> Red flashing LED usually means kernel panic from what I've seen.
Nov 07 18:53:48 <peter___> yeah, question is why, the SD card is clearly ok, there is the android data on it, dalvik cache etc
Nov 07 18:54:06 <bricode> What type of sd card are you using?
Nov 07 18:54:15 <peter___> 1 GB SD, not HC
Nov 07 18:54:36 <peter___> FAT 200M, rest ext3
Nov 07 18:54:51 <bricode> Humm. Weird.
Nov 07 18:55:05 <bricode> Did you flash the rootfs and kernel to the internal nand/
Nov 07 18:55:16 <F4t> I have 4GB SDHC, android boots aswell
Nov 07 18:56:26 <peter___> well, I flashed after booting into NOR mode, but I am not too sure about exactly what the difference between NOR and DFU mode is, seems dfu-util reports more stuff in DFU mode than in simple NOR mode?
Nov 07 18:56:49 <peter___> adn after that I started from the NOR menu, and after that from the NAND menu
Nov 07 18:57:03 <bricode> peter___: I've had some problems with NOR and almost exclusively use NAND booting.
Nov 07 18:57:32 <peter___> so, you get into NAND menu, flash, and start from NAND?
Nov 07 18:57:51 <bricode> No. NOR menu, flash, nand menu, boot.
Nov 07 18:58:31 <peter___> ok, will try that ...
Nov 07 19:01:18 <peter___> thanks for the help guys!
Nov 07 19:01:40 <peter___> not that it is working but for trying :)
Nov 07 19:02:15 <bricode> I've had problems with a 2GB and a 4GB card.
Nov 07 19:05:19 <peter___> if the card doesn't work, then there would not be any data on the partitions right? it is in my case so I guess that part is working
Nov 07 19:05:44 <peter___> there are the apps deployed under /data, the /dalvik-cache is there and a bunch of other stuff
Nov 07 19:05:55 <bricode> peter___: Android is pretty fussy. If it can't open/change a file, it dies.
Nov 07 19:06:03 <bricode> Also, it takes a fiar while to boot up.
Nov 07 19:13:10 * mwester wonders when somebody is going to edit that totally bogus wiki page that encourages everyone to use NOR u-boot when flashing --- rather like telling skydivers to use the reserve chute first.
Nov 07 19:13:44 * Fougner wonders when mwester will fix the wiki
Nov 07 19:14:00 <Fougner> Hi mwester :D
Nov 07 19:14:58 * toggles_w hates it when he has to use the reserve
Nov 07 19:15:35 <Fougner> haha toggles_w 
Nov 07 19:16:00 <toggles_w> i'm serious, its $60 + a bottle of whiskey plus the wait for the repack
Nov 07 19:16:45 <toggles_w> luckily for me, it's only happend once and i had a stu on the front of me, so the biz covered all but the whiskey ;-)
Nov 07 19:16:50 <mwester> Whatever you do, do NOT rush the guy or gal packing your reserve.
Nov 07 19:17:01 <toggles_w> mwester: it was my x wife
Nov 07 19:17:03 <mwester> I jumped once.  And only once.
Nov 07 19:17:34 <cjb_ie> so would you recommend giving them the whiskey after the repack, then?
Nov 07 19:17:50 <mwester> A week after I jumped, one of the instructors (the one who packed the chutes for us) was killed when her chute wouldn't open correctly, couldn't be cut away for some reason, and tangled the reserve.
Nov 07 19:18:00 <toggles_w> yeah, it's part of the tradition, you give them a bottle for saving your life
Nov 07 19:18:02 <mwester> I decided once was enough.
Nov 07 19:18:11 <jonkristian> any sort of gps app for qte atm? looking at tangogps but it doesn't say anything about qte.
Nov 07 19:18:37 <toggles_w> mwester: that sucks, i've been in the sport over 10 years, i loose a friend about once every 3
Nov 07 19:18:51 <mwester> It's a dangerous sport.   A heck of a rush, though.
Nov 07 19:19:12 <toggles_w> most deaths have resulted from their other "fun" activities though
Nov 07 19:19:43 <toggles_w> a typical satuday http://www.tommywatson.com/phlog/060624/
Nov 07 19:21:55 <toggles_w> mwester: skydive chicago?
Nov 07 19:30:20 <mwester> toggles_w:  Not sure.  It was a place near Ottawa, IL   I think they closed some time ago.
Nov 07 19:31:39 <toggles_w> nope, chicago is still in buisiness..
Nov 07 19:33:04 <mwester> And it was longer than 18 years ago, too, now that I think about it... (dang, I'm old!)
Nov 07 19:33:20 * SpeedEvil passes mwester some slippers.
Nov 07 19:34:11 <mwester> Got some right here, beside the little table with my bifocals and the glass for my false teeth. ;)
Nov 07 19:34:18 <jonkristian> oh skydiving:)
Nov 07 19:34:41 <jonkristian> My sister skydives, I've only tried tandem, but it's amazing:D
Nov 07 19:35:39 <Kensan> mwester: ping
Nov 07 19:36:07 <mwester> splat
Nov 07 19:36:24 <holycow> i found skydiving horribly boring
Nov 07 19:36:39 <Kensan> mwester: are you busy or could you help me get the debugboard going?
Nov 07 19:37:00 <mwester> I have 15 or 20 minutes before I need to leave for my next meeting.
Nov 07 19:37:15 <Kensan> oh k
Nov 07 19:37:30 <mwester> Did you see my pastebin?
Nov 07 19:37:42 <neldoreth> no
Nov 07 19:38:03 <Kensan> mwester: err no, which one?
Nov 07 19:38:17 <mwester> From yesterday (late) with the env info
Nov 07 19:38:52 <Kensan> found it
Nov 07 19:39:08 <nemik> any of you guys tried the new qt 4.5 snapshots?
Nov 07 19:39:13 <neldoreth> yeah
Nov 07 19:39:23 <nemik> how is it?
Nov 07 19:41:14 <jonkristian> qt or qte?
Nov 07 19:41:58 <nemik> see, i don't get that, what's the difference? there's a qt-embedded i'm trying now. so that's not qte?
Nov 07 19:42:04 <nemik> i don't get their naming things
Nov 07 19:42:10 <jonkristian> nemik: got an url?
Nov 07 19:42:24 <jonkristian> qt-embedded, never heard of, im running qte 4.4.2
Nov 07 19:42:36 <nemik> http://trolltech.com/products/products/device-creation/embedded-linux
Nov 07 19:42:53 <jonkristian> on your fr??
Nov 07 19:43:28 <nemik> i'm just compiling it now, haven't tried running it
Nov 07 19:46:20 <Kensan> mwester: have you seen such a message when connecting to uboot? "Unrecognized hardware revision 0x305. Defaulting to GTA02v6."
Nov 07 19:46:50 <mwester> No.  I wonder if your u-boot is a bit old, though.
Nov 07 19:47:10 <jonkristian> qt for embedded linux
Nov 07 19:47:10 <jonkristian> hm, no idea
Nov 07 19:48:21 <Kensan> aug 26 2008
Nov 07 19:54:23 <nemik> jonkristian: is wifi and bluetooth working for you on 4.4.2? and are you using mwester's kernel?
Nov 07 20:08:36 <jonkristian> nemik: yes and yes
Nov 07 20:09:08 <jonkristian> nemik: actually, i haven't tested wifi yet, but i can scan and stuff, so i guess it should work
Nov 07 20:09:20 <nemik> hmm i'm doing somehting wrong then. tells me BT is off and not found
Nov 07 20:09:39 <jonkristian> nemik: there's a new image for 4.4.2
Nov 07 20:09:44 <jonkristian> nemik: which as bt
Nov 07 20:09:59 <nemik> ah, got a link?
Nov 07 20:10:17 <jonkristian> http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with-SystemRingTones.jffs2
Nov 07 20:10:31 <jonkristian> that's the one im using, wit mwester's kernel, working very well i think
Nov 07 20:10:48 <nemik> nice! thank you
Nov 07 20:11:16 <jonkristian> at least 'til now, yeah no problem
Nov 07 20:11:18 * jonkristian goes to watch the final episode of the wire
Nov 07 20:22:44 <Fougner> =D
Nov 07 20:35:33 <uhsf>  /leave
Nov 07 20:36:10 <toggles_w> does fso daily support suspend at all?
Nov 07 20:36:37 <Basheri> vois mennä->
Nov 07 20:36:50 <Basheri> sorry, wrong channel
Nov 07 20:39:20 <dent> anybody looked into the FSO terminal issue? (http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/196)
Nov 07 20:43:25 <samgee> dent, I've been trying to for the past few days, but I can't figure out how to get started
Nov 07 20:43:38 <samgee> where is the source for that?
Nov 07 20:43:57 <dent> lol similar here :)
Nov 07 20:44:09 <dent> well, look into the bitbake recipe I guess
Nov 07 20:45:40 <samgee> why can't there be any easy instructions on where to get the source and how to work with it? :(
Nov 07 20:45:56 <Sargun> samgee, there aren't
Nov 07 20:46:01 <Sargun> what are you trying to develop with?
Nov 07 20:46:18 <mwester> samgee:  because building entire distros is not an easy thing?
Nov 07 20:46:35 <samgee> Sargun, I can't even figure that out
Nov 07 20:46:59 <samgee> mwester, I get that, but openmoko seems to be all over the place
Nov 07 20:47:20 <dent> I guess the thing it to grasp OE/bitbake.. then it should be easier
Nov 07 20:47:30 <Sargun> samgee, I would say easiest development methodology: install Debian + FSO, then develop in Python
Nov 07 20:47:33 <dent> pity that whatever I read a month ago I forgot again
Nov 07 20:47:37 <mwester> samgee:  Yes, because the bits for Linux are all over the place.
Nov 07 20:49:09 <samgee> ok, but I want to fix the terminal bug, how would I do that?
Nov 07 20:49:21 <samgee> that specific to OM, isn't it?
Nov 07 20:50:40 <dent> I'd say... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO
Nov 07 20:50:46 <dent> get the environment set up
Nov 07 20:50:58 <dent> (but I'm also a noob, so...)
Nov 07 20:52:22 <mwester> I think dent is right.  Step one is to get the environment right.  As a side effect of that, the environment will know where the bits all come from, and that question too will be answered.
Nov 07 20:53:27 <samgee> ah, ok, I thought it was possible to get started with just one (or a few) packages and gcc
Nov 07 20:53:36 <samgee> I'll do some more experimenting later
Nov 07 20:53:47 <dent> well, ypou could get the toolchain...
Nov 07 20:53:53 <samgee> gotta go now, but you're not rid of me that easy :)
Nov 07 20:54:00 <dent> but that somehow didn't work for me
Nov 07 20:54:05 <dent> samgee :)_
Nov 07 20:54:20 <dent> I'm also trying to poke around that terminal issue, as it's annoying :)
Nov 07 20:54:51 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03werner * r4772 10/developers/werner/ttcp/ (. Makefile README stderr.patch): Build process for old SGI ttcp.
Nov 07 21:03:02 <sepultina> hello
Nov 07 21:07:12 <q0b> hi! .. is it possible to save the pin on the fr? (om2008/09)
Nov 07 21:08:25 <dolf1074> Do you mean that you want to disable the PIN security on your SIM ?
Nov 07 21:08:59 <dolf1074> That can you do with Qt extended and only with that distribution
Nov 07 21:09:03 <q0b> yes .. or just store my gsm pin on the device, that it can be automatically used
Nov 07 21:09:26 <dolf1074> You cannot store it on the device
Nov 07 21:10:03 <dolf1074> but you can disable the pin security by putting you SIM into another worikng phone and disable PIN security
Nov 07 21:11:19 <q0b> dolf1074: when you're talking aboutn pin security.. it is already possible for me.. to just not enter the pin and use the my fr .. 
Nov 07 21:12:08 <dolf1074> yes (but you can't call or sms)
Nov 07 21:12:29 <dolf1074> just close the application that ask for the PIN
Nov 07 21:12:30 <q0b> dolf1074: i want to "auto"-enable gsm .. since i've testing and programming around the keyboard interfacing .. it's kind of tricky to use the phone in the progress
Nov 07 21:13:04 <q0b> dolf1074: or is there a way to start the pin-entry programm later?
Nov 07 21:13:35 <dolf1074> probably yes
Nov 07 21:13:39 <dolf1074> but I don't know how
Nov 07 21:17:36 <q0b> dolf1074: thanks anyhow.. 
Nov 07 21:40:19 <sepultina> Can i use "dfu-util" in debian sid or is it only for ubuntu?
Nov 07 21:41:15 <yabo> sid?
Nov 07 21:41:23 <F4t> sid = unstable
Nov 07 21:41:40 <Ke> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dfu&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
Nov 07 21:41:41 <BluesLee> sepultina: use it with whatever you want
Nov 07 21:41:44 <yabo> i think dfu-util works on all distros
Nov 07 21:41:49 <yabo> worked for me on slackware
Nov 07 21:42:08 <Ke> learn to use packages.debian.org
Nov 07 21:42:44 <Moniker42> someone talk me out of buying an android G1 :P
Nov 07 21:42:56 <Ke> you suck
Nov 07 21:43:55 <sepultina> Ke: Ah yes, now i can see it. Thanks
Nov 07 21:45:03 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 07 21:45:57 <Moniker42> heh... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/2961546255_29d9fbec38.jpg
Nov 07 21:46:32 <Moniker42> ah, seriously though, i'm not looking to troll -- has anyone here considered a G1 and decided against in favour of the freerunner? :P
Nov 07 21:47:53 <F4t> g1 could be cool, but its a pretty limited system unless you "root" it..
Nov 07 21:47:56 <Wonka> when i bought my FR, the G1 was not out yet
Nov 07 21:48:00 <F4t> and no usb-host capabilities :)
Nov 07 21:48:03 <Wonka> but i'd still take the FR
Nov 07 21:48:16 <F4t> i agree with wonka :)
Nov 07 21:48:21 <jonkristian> Yeah
Nov 07 21:48:30 <sepultina> Sorry again, first update the kernel and then the rootfs? or no reason?
Nov 07 21:48:34 <dolf1074> With the G1, you have a working system. Who wants that :p
Nov 07 21:48:53 <jonkristian> Yeah, it doesn't really tickle my brain
Nov 07 21:48:58 <Wonka> dolf1074: the rest of the Android port won't take very long, i think
Nov 07 21:49:11 <mwester> Wonka:  but it still won't make a working phone.
Nov 07 21:49:11 <dolf1074> Wonka: it will take a long time
Nov 07 21:49:14 <Wonka> sepultina: should make no difference
Nov 07 21:49:19 <Ke> Moniker42: android has practically nothing to with openmoko
Nov 07 21:49:23 <Wonka> sepultina: especially with neotool
Nov 07 21:49:28 <dolf1074> Wonka: because an onscreen keyboard isn't made that quick
Nov 07 21:49:29 <Moniker42> yes
Nov 07 21:49:45 <jonkristian> Who said anything about a non-working phone? My FR works great
Nov 07 21:49:50 <Moniker42> but openmoko was firmly on my christmas shopping list until a few weeks ago ;)
Nov 07 21:49:52 <m0nt0> yeah, may be also the WSoD solution wouldn't take too long, so you'll got a fully functional phone also with the FR
Nov 07 21:49:53 <Wonka> dolf1074: "aptitude install xvkbd matchbox-keyboard" and you got two :)
Nov 07 21:50:06 <dolf1074> Wonka: not on android
Nov 07 21:50:18 <Moniker42> will Android ever be able to run on the freerunner?
Nov 07 21:50:21 <toggles_w> jonkristian: as a paper weight?
Nov 07 21:50:22 <mwester> jonkristian:  Please share!  Do you have patches?
Nov 07 21:50:26 <Wonka> mwester: hm, i made one call yet, and that one worked perfectly... ;)
Nov 07 21:50:37 <dolf1074> Moniker42: It already does
Nov 07 21:51:07 <Ke> btw with gta03 have holder for the touchscreen stylus?
Nov 07 21:51:15 <Ke> will
Nov 07 21:51:35 <mwester> Wonka:  ah.  well if that's the measure of "working"...
Nov 07 21:51:40 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03werner * r4773 10/developers/werner/poke/Makefile: Add standard make targets "clean" and "spotless".
Nov 07 21:51:41 <jonkristian> mwester: No, im using qte-4.4.2 with bt fix and your kernel
Nov 07 21:52:07 <Wonka> mwester: i meant, i don't remember any echo or other bad voice quality
Nov 07 21:52:22 <mwester> jonkristian:  IMO that's probably the closest to working, but there's a looooong list of prtty basic things that are non-functional or missing altogether. :(
Nov 07 21:53:17 <mwester> bluetooth, battery life, wifi, bugs 666 and 1024,... just to name a few of the big ones we (or Om) still need to fix.
Nov 07 21:53:33 <jonkristian> Yeah
Nov 07 21:54:10 <jonkristian> mwester: what's wrong with bluetooth?
Nov 07 21:54:27 <jonkristian> Seems to work pretty well here, i can search devices and pair them aswell.
Nov 07 21:54:57 <drscream> mwester: i've heard that you are searching an openmoko freerunner that has the wtod (white screen of death) problem?
Nov 07 21:55:55 <Kensan> mwester: did you see werners commit? I wonder what he is up to, poke sounds like a funny tool :)
Nov 07 21:56:56 <Ke> btw how far are typical openmoko kernels from mainline linux?
Nov 07 21:57:27 <Kensan> Ke: what do you mean by far? The current stable is 2.6.24 so
Nov 07 21:57:52 <Ke> how much of the code has been merged into mainline linux
Nov 07 21:58:07 <Ke> judging by that number, not much
Nov 07 21:58:36 <Kensan> Ke: yeah pretty much.
Nov 07 22:00:37 <Ke> that's sad =o(
Nov 07 22:01:28 <Kensan> Ke: see here for the current patchset against 2.6.28-rc3: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=mokopatches-tracking
Nov 07 22:01:47 <Ke> yay, there is some effort then
Nov 07 22:01:49 <Kensan> Ke: obviously that's not working
Nov 07 22:02:07 <Kensan> Ke: hmm... not as much as would be needed.
Nov 07 22:02:24 <Kensan> Ke: I think except for the resume issue it is pretty close on 2.6.26
Nov 07 22:03:11 <Kensan> Ke: simply having a git-branch which tracks upstream does not automatically mean the amount of work to get the patches upstream will get any less...
Nov 07 22:03:45 <Ke> wouldn't that still be the proper thing to do
Nov 07 22:03:47 <Fougner_> mwester, jonkristian said his phone worked well with your kernel and a bt-patch?
Nov 07 22:03:57 <yabo> hai, I'm using om2008.9. when i try to extract files with tar (zxf) i get tar: invalid tar magic
Nov 07 22:03:59 <yabo> what is wrong?
Nov 07 22:04:02 <Kensan> Ke: if (and that's a big if) someone were to at least test-compile the tracking branch one would get a heads up on compile breakage but thats about it.
Nov 07 22:04:08 <Kensan> Ke: of course
Nov 07 22:04:27 <Kensan> Ke: the goal must be to get everything (well almost) upstream.
Nov 07 22:04:43 <Ke> yes
Nov 07 22:05:28 <mwester> Somebody has bluetooth headset working with Qtx? 
Nov 07 22:09:28 <mwester> Ke: Om has a kernel dev they hired to get the working bits cleaned up and submitted upstream to the kernel.  For the GTA03 they proactively hired the kernel manager for the Samsung SoCs to write the support for the processor, so that support will be part of the mainstream kernel from day 1.
Nov 07 22:10:04 <Kensan> mwester: is balaji doing the cleaning/submitting?
Nov 07 22:10:25 <mwester> yabo:  There should be a package you can install to provide the full "tar" binary; IIRC the problem is that the busybox version of tar that's part of the base install was missing an option when it was built, so it cannot handle certain types of tar files.
Nov 07 22:10:29 * Ke hugs mwester 
Nov 07 22:10:30 <mwester> Kensan:  Yep.
Nov 07 22:10:35 <nemik> mwester: i'll try a BT headset when i get home; have to flash new Qtx with bt fix first
Nov 07 22:10:49 <mwester> Kensan:  BTW, I need to take back something I said earlier today.
Nov 07 22:10:52 <Kensan> mwester: is the stable-2.6.26 not kept up to date? It does not contain all patches on stable
Nov 07 22:11:09 <Kensan> mwester: what's that?
Nov 07 22:11:13 <mwester> Balaji found the charging problem already.
Nov 07 22:11:33 <Kensan> mwester: charging problem?
Nov 07 22:11:48 <mwester> Yeah, the one where the GTA02 won't charge when plugged into USB.
Nov 07 22:12:36 <mwester> Turns out it was a simple defconfig option, it needed a new config item to tell it what the max current was, and without it, it defaulted to zero charge current.
Nov 07 22:12:47 <Fougner_> nemik, what's Qtx? =)
Nov 07 22:12:48 <Kensan> mwester: yeah just read the mail :)
Nov 07 22:13:14 <mwester> Stable-2.6.26 is supposed to be current; it will be missing patches that do not apply or are not relevant to that kernel release.
Nov 07 22:13:16 <Kensan> mwester: well to "2" *hehe*
Nov 07 22:13:38 <Kensan> mwester: well the jitter patch is not in there. and also the jffs2-gc one.
Nov 07 22:13:43 <mwester> Since that's what Android is based on, I would expect that Andy should be keeping close watch on it.
Nov 07 22:14:05 <mwester> Hmmm... Ok.  good point on the two patches.
Nov 07 22:14:35 <mwester> Perhaps Andy just needs a reminder to apply those...
Nov 07 22:14:36 <Kensan> mwester: well jffs2 is neglectable but I imagine the jitter is of more interest.
Nov 07 22:15:29 <yabo> oh thanks, mwester
Nov 07 22:15:55 <Kensan> mwester: do you have the bug# of the resume-bug handy?
Nov 07 22:16:08 <mwester> WSoD bug?
Nov 07 22:16:31 <mwester> 1841
Nov 07 22:16:41 <Kensan> mwester: yeah, thanks.
Nov 07 22:17:31 <Kensan> mwester: I wanted to try so many things this weekend but now other stuff with higher prio has come up :(
Nov 07 22:17:41 <mwester> uh-oh.
Nov 07 22:18:26 <mwester> Ok.  I'm still working to get an updated rootfs and toolchain for Qtx that's been taking all my free time.
Nov 07 22:18:52 <mwester> But it just built - finally.  And the rootfs is mostly good.  :)
Nov 07 22:19:12 <mwester> So if there's something we need to do to fix the Bluetooth, I'm really interested to know!
Nov 07 22:19:14 <yabo> mwester, where can i find the package of which you spoke? i looked in rabenfrost.net/celtune and downloads.openmoko.org and i could not find it
Nov 07 22:19:49 <mwester> It would be something like "opkg install tar", and should be in your standard feeds, I would expect.
Nov 07 22:20:23 <yabo> oh okay
Nov 07 22:20:24 <yabo> thanks
Nov 07 22:20:30 <Kensan> mwester: Qtx?
Nov 07 22:20:36 <Kensan> mwester: how come?
Nov 07 22:21:02 <mwester> how come what?
Nov 07 22:21:20 <mwester> how come I'm building a toolchain and rootfs for Qtx?
Nov 07 22:21:35 <mwester> because nobody else would.
Nov 07 22:21:37 <mwester> :(*
Nov 07 22:21:41 <mwester> er, :(
Nov 07 22:22:00 <drscream> mwester: i could mail you a freerunner with a wsod bug, if you interessted please contact me :-)
Nov 07 22:22:33 <mwester> drscream:  Cool.  are you in the US somewhere?
Nov 07 22:22:51 <Kensan> mwester: yeah, I didn't know you were working on Qtx too :)
Nov 07 22:22:53 <drscream> nope in germany 
Nov 07 22:23:07 <Kensan> drscream: even better :)
Nov 07 22:23:37 <yabo> so i have this open wlan-network here
Nov 07 22:23:46 <yabo> what do i do to connect? :|
Nov 07 22:24:03 <yabo> i dont get linux and wlans
Nov 07 22:24:36 <mwester> drscream:  Ok.  Thanks - I'll keep that in mind; I'm going to bug Michael Shiloh (Om) a bit first to see if Om can loan one here in the US.  If that doesn't work, I'll ping you!
Nov 07 22:25:42 <drscream> ok no problem, if you are interessted you can contact me via mail: openmoko@cyber-tec.org
Nov 07 22:27:00 <mwester> Kensan:  I believe in the concept of FSO -- and I think that making it easy for Qtx to be based on an FSO (i.e. non-Openmoko) rootfs and kernel is going to be the long-term best solution.  Mickey agrees, but nobody has had time to create the trimmed-down rootfs, or the toolchain.  So I decided to do it.
Nov 07 22:27:33 <mwester> I thought it would be a lot simpler than it turned out to be...  in a lot of ways, kernels are a lot easier :)
Nov 07 22:28:09 <Kensan> mwester: seriously, where do you take all that energy? You put so much hard work into this it makes everybody else look like fscking freeloaders
Nov 07 22:28:09 <mwester> anyway, 2 minutes to my last meeting of the day -- and then the weekend.  Back a bit later!
Nov 07 22:28:12 <Kensan> :)
Nov 07 22:30:52 <dent> yabo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi
Nov 07 22:31:02 <yabo> thanks
Nov 07 22:31:22 <dent> n/p
Nov 07 22:39:50 <yabo> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
Nov 07 22:40:16 <yabo> i take it i need to make it dhcprequest to 192.168.1.1 or whatever is the dhcp-server right?
Nov 07 22:40:26 <duffolonious> yabo: if dhclient doesn't work for you, just set your ip manually
Nov 07 22:40:34 <duffolonious> ... and set the route manually (kind of sucks)
Nov 07 22:40:57 <Kensan> yabo: no, the dhcp request goes out to broadcast: the dhcp server should reply
Nov 07 22:41:07 <duffolonious> I have to do that because dhclient appears to not like the dhcp offer from my router
Nov 07 22:41:24 <Kensan> duffolonious: how come? what does it say?
Nov 07 22:41:35 <duffolonious> yabo: oh, if you aren't getting an offer than you have a different problem
Nov 07 22:41:56 <yabo> oh, so DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 means it looks through 255.255.255.255 for a dhcp-server?
Nov 07 22:41:57 <duffolonious> Kensan: it does DHCPREQUEST on eth0
Nov 07 22:42:12 <duffolonious> then I get an offer "DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.1" or some such thing
Nov 07 22:42:30 <duffolonious> and then the phone sends a DHCPDECLINE 
Nov 07 22:42:33 <yabo> i didnt get DHCPIFFER
Nov 07 22:42:36 <yabo> offer*
Nov 07 22:42:37 <yabo> but i got
Nov 07 22:42:44 <duffolonious> and is goes on like this for ... ever
Nov 07 22:42:46 <yabo> DHCPACK from 192.168.2.1
Nov 07 22:43:10 <yabo> i also got DHCPDECLINE on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
Nov 07 22:43:18 <Kensan> duffolonious: hm, maybe you can raise the log level? It should say why it is declining.
Nov 07 22:43:53 <yabo> how do i set my ip manually?
Nov 07 22:43:58 <duffolonious> Kensan: ok, will do.
Nov 07 22:44:05 <Kensan> oh wait
Nov 07 22:44:26 <Kensan> it means that the phone believes the ip address that was offered is already taken
Nov 07 22:46:51 * yabo pokes
Nov 07 22:46:58 <yabo> so what do i do? i want to get online :|
Nov 07 22:47:28 <Kensan> duffolonious: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1082155
Nov 07 22:47:34 <Kensan> yabo: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1082155
Nov 07 22:47:58 <Kensan> yabo: Use udhcpc instead of dhclient
Nov 07 22:48:14 <Kensan> udhcpc eth0
Nov 07 22:48:39 <yabo> thanks!
Nov 07 22:49:12 <yabo> wohoo
Nov 07 22:49:16 <yabo> thanks a bunch, kensan!
Nov 07 22:49:31 <Kensan> :)
Nov 07 22:49:32 <yabo> maybe someone could add that to the wiki?
Nov 07 22:49:41 <yabo> the wiki tells you to 
Nov 07 22:49:41 <yabo> root@om-gta02:~# ifup eth0
Nov 07 22:49:42 <yabo> root@om-gta02:~# wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
Nov 07 22:49:42 <yabo> root@om-gta02:~# udhcpc eth0
Nov 07 22:49:47 <yabo> wait
Nov 07 22:49:49 * yabo facepalms
Nov 07 22:49:53 * yabo headdesks
Nov 07 22:49:55 * yabo headwalls
Nov 07 22:49:55 <Kensan> heh
Nov 07 22:50:41 <duffolonious> btw, the openmoko does work on at&t 71234 O
Nov 07 22:50:48 <duffolonious> (sim card)
Nov 07 22:52:07 <yabo> mwester, are you still here?
Nov 07 22:52:39 <yabo> opkg install tar does not work.. i tried opkg list | grep tar, but i couldnt find anything that looks like what i need
Nov 07 22:53:07 <duffolonious> Kensan: so use udhcpc.  I wonder where I set that so the GUI will use that instead of dhclient.
Nov 07 22:53:44 <yabo> by the way, to get the make command. do i need to opkg install automake? is that correct?
Nov 07 22:54:04 <Kensan> duffolonious: what distro are you using?
Nov 07 22:54:19 <duffolonious> Kensan: openmoko
Nov 07 22:54:34 <Kensan> duffolonious: as a quick workaround you could soflink dhclient to udhcpc
Nov 07 22:54:46 <duffolonious> Kensan: sure
Nov 07 22:54:55 <duffolonious> I'll do that.
Nov 07 22:55:52 <Kensan> yabo: what do you want to compile?
Nov 07 22:56:07 <Kensan> yabo: do you really want to compile on the phone?
Nov 07 22:56:17 <Kensan> s/want/need/
Nov 07 22:56:18 <apt> Kensan meant: yabo: do you really need to compile on the phone?
Nov 07 22:56:37 <yabo> yes
Nov 07 22:56:49 <yabo> i think so?
Nov 07 22:56:55 <yabo> to install stuff that is not ipk
Nov 07 22:57:48 <dent> yabo: there's a bitbake recipe for tar in openembedded
Nov 07 22:57:50 <Kensan> yabo: you could cross-compile which would be a lot faster.
Nov 07 22:58:08 <Kensan> yabo: there's a lot of software in openembedded...
Nov 07 22:58:12 <yabo> i dont know how, Kensan
Nov 07 22:58:30 <yabo> to cross-compile, that is
Nov 07 22:58:33 <yabo> i never figured it out
Nov 07 22:58:55 <Kensan> yabo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Nov 07 22:59:39 <yabo> alright thanks, ill take a look
Nov 07 22:59:43 <yabo> but i still want make on my phone
Nov 07 22:59:48 <yabo> what can i do?
Nov 07 22:59:59 <yabo> i have installed gcc
Nov 07 23:00:44 <Kensan> yabo: install automake and friends
Nov 07 23:01:03 <Kensan> there's packages for those
Nov 07 23:01:14 <Kensan> you should be able to ipk/opkg them
Nov 07 23:01:39 <yabo> root@om-gta02:~# opkg install automake
Nov 07 23:01:39 <yabo> Installing automake (1.9.6-r0) to root...
Nov 07 23:01:39 <yabo> Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/automake_1.9.6-r0_armv4t.opk
Nov 07 23:01:39 <yabo> Collected errors:
Nov 07 23:01:39 <yabo>  * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/automake_1.9.6-r0_armv4t.opk, error 0
Nov 07 23:01:41 <yabo>  * Failed to download automake. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'?
Nov 07 23:01:52 <yabo> let me know if i should stop pasting stuff like that..
Nov 07 23:02:03 <Kensan> yabo: did you "opkg update"?
Nov 07 23:02:15 <Kensan> yabo: can you ping downloads.openmoko.org from the phone?
Nov 07 23:02:23 <yabo> yes and yes
Nov 07 23:03:05 <Kensan> yabo: hm.
Nov 07 23:03:14 <Kensan> yabo: can you wget the opk?
Nov 07 23:04:27 <yabo> no
Nov 07 23:04:39 <yabo> but that reminds me i can download it in a browser and scp
Nov 07 23:05:06 <Kensan> yabo: somebody else had a similar issue if I remember correctly but I don't remember what the real reason was.
Nov 07 23:05:50 <yabo> wget did not work at all
Nov 07 23:05:52 <yabo> it stopped at 
Nov 07 23:06:08 <yabo> Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org (88.198.93.219:80)
Nov 07 23:06:11 <yabo> then nothing more
Nov 07 23:07:20 <slaxxin> YABO DID U PUTan ip in /etc/resolv.conf?
Nov 07 23:07:41 <Kensan> slaxxin: I assume so otherwise he would no be able to ping downloads.openmoko.org
Nov 07 23:07:46 <yabo> yeah dns is configured, (note the Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org (88.198.93.219:80))
Nov 07 23:07:58 <yabo> and opkg usually works
Nov 07 23:08:25 <yabo> what more than automake do i need to get the make -command?
Nov 07 23:08:32 <yabo> or must i reboot or something?
Nov 07 23:08:53 <yabo> it is installed now, but i still get -sh: make: not found
Nov 07 23:09:19 <Kensan> yabo: how about make ;)
Nov 07 23:09:38 * yabo grins
Nov 07 23:10:05 <Kensan> yabo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/make_3.81-r0_armv4t.opk
Nov 07 23:10:35 <yabo> sorry.. i try not to be the lazy and annoying noob, but every now and then i fail..
Nov 07 23:10:51 <yabo> now i got
Nov 07 23:11:06 <yabo> ./bin/sh: gcc: not found
Nov 07 23:11:20 <yabo> but i thought i installed gcc..
Nov 07 23:11:34 <nemik> isn't easier to just cross-compile than do all this on phone?
Nov 07 23:11:41 <Kensan> nemik: it is
Nov 07 23:11:47 <yabo> Package gcc (4.1.2-r12) installed in root is up to date.
Nov 07 23:12:08 <nemik> maybe it uses cc instead of gcc?
Nov 07 23:12:15 <Kensan> nemik: but yabo wants make on his phone 
Nov 07 23:12:29 <Kensan> yabo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gcc_4.1.2-r12_armv4t.opk
Nov 07 23:12:30 <nemik> with OM, anything is possible
Nov 07 23:12:33 <Kensan> ehm
Nov 07 23:12:33 <Kensan> wait
Nov 07 23:12:40 <Kensan> yabo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/gcc-symlinks_4.1.2-r12_armv4t.opk
Nov 07 23:12:46 <Kensan> maybe?
Nov 07 23:13:08 <yabo> installing
Nov 07 23:13:20 <dent> also maybe "opkg files gcc" might be useful, to see what it actually installed
Nov 07 23:13:55 <yabo> gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
Nov 07 23:15:17 <Kensan> well I am off. need to get some sleep
Nov 07 23:15:22 <Kensan> yabo: good luck
Nov 07 23:15:31 <yabo> thanks for all your help, Kensan!
Nov 07 23:15:49 <dent> on my ubuntu box there's cc1 in /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.2/cc1
Nov 07 23:15:58 <Kensan> sure
Nov 07 23:16:01 <dent> cc1 is some gcc's internasl helper
Nov 07 23:16:10 <Kensan> night all
Nov 07 23:16:19 <dent> night
Nov 07 23:16:45 <dent> yabo: try find /usr -name cc1
Nov 07 23:16:50 <dent> if it's really missing
Nov 07 23:17:01 <dent> or just gcc can't find it for some reason
Nov 07 23:18:39 <yabo> dent, i got no output
Nov 07 23:18:58 <dent> then it's really missing
Nov 07 23:19:13 <dent> maybe the gcc package is broken, I'd guess not many ppl tried it :)
Nov 07 23:19:36 * lindi- hides and points out to apt-get install gcc :)
Nov 07 23:19:58 <dent> btw I get
Nov 07 23:19:59 <yabo> 2008.9, lindi- :-R
Nov 07 23:20:00 <dent>  * Failed to download http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/gcc_4.1.2-r14.1_armv4t.ipk, error 0
Nov 07 23:20:07 <dent> too, when I try to install gcc
Nov 07 23:20:22 <yabo> yeah dent, i got problems with opkg earlier too "failed to download"
Nov 07 23:20:32 <dent> I noticed
Nov 07 23:20:39 <dent> while from pc I can d/l it without problems
Nov 07 23:21:03 <dent> nah, my dns is broken... didn't notice :)
Nov 07 23:21:35 <yabo> oh
Nov 07 23:21:40 <yabo> so
Nov 07 23:21:52 <yabo> im out of options and have to cross-compile? :R
Nov 07 23:22:19 <dent> I'trying to install gcc to see what happens :)
Nov 07 23:22:28 <yabo> okidoki
Nov 07 23:22:33 <dent> but as everyone suggested crosscompile anyway... :-P
Nov 07 23:22:56 <yabo> i wont have access to a desktop for much longer, so i need it on mah phone :-|
Nov 07 23:23:49 <dent> arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
Nov 07 23:23:52 <dent> the same...
Nov 07 23:23:55 <yabo> muh :|
Nov 07 23:24:33 <yabo> i have to go now
Nov 07 23:24:41 <yabo> bai
Nov 07 23:24:47 <yabo> thanks for all the help!
Nov 07 23:24:58 <balrog-k1n> dent: i did download some .ipk's from some openmoko.org site once and had a working gcc
Nov 07 23:25:59 <dent> yeah I guess that's the secret
Nov 07 23:26:09 <dent> I'm trying to install g++ now to see what happens
Nov 07 23:26:59 <dent> hm... the final frontier: crosscompile on the FR for the PC :))
Nov 07 23:37:41 <trains> hi
Nov 07 23:37:51 <trains> openmoko tichy wiki says "Unfortunately tichy won't work yet, because of a bug in python-pygame in openmoko feeds. "
Nov 07 23:38:11 <trains> does anybody know where i can get a working version of pygame 
Nov 07 23:38:12 <trains> ?
Nov 07 23:56:50 <fookrquaker> hi all
Nov 07 23:59:48 <Tetracomm> Hello
Nov 07 23:59:49 <Tetracomm> .
Nov 08 00:00:11 <Tetracomm> Are there any OpenMoko emulators that will work in Qtemu?
Nov 08 00:00:31 <SpeedEvil> qtemu?
Nov 08 00:00:37 <SpeedEvil> you mean qemu?
Nov 08 00:02:04 <Tetracomm> No, Qtemu.
Nov 08 00:02:08 <Tetracomm> with the GUI.
Nov 08 00:03:25 <SpeedEvil> No idea.
Nov 08 00:03:34 <SpeedEvil> It works in qemu.
Nov 08 00:03:39 <SpeedEvil> (though I've not used it)
Nov 08 00:06:32 <tdobson> anyone fancy looking over my fdom-centric om presentation?
Nov 08 00:06:49 * tdobson willannouce it to lists a little bit later on
Nov 08 00:07:03 <fookrquaker> wassup
Nov 08 00:07:18 <tdobson> http://files.tdobson.net/openmoko/freerunner/presentation/
Nov 08 00:08:43 <SpeedEvil> yay 3310
Nov 08 00:09:16 <SpeedEvil> (and you can use the screen in assorted electronics hardware)
Nov 08 00:13:41 <leinirAWAY> tdobson: It's called Qt, not QT ;)
Nov 08 00:14:09 <leinirAWAY> (The QT thing is an abreviation for something that fruit company in Californianland makes ;) )
Nov 08 00:16:00 <leinirAWAY> Other than that it doesn't look bad :)
Nov 08 00:16:55 <leinirAWAY> The content is debatable, of course, but that's not what you asked for feedback on, and i'm on my way to bed, so i can't really do much commenting on that anyway right now ;)
Nov 08 00:19:52 <d-b> poh some one got andriod onto the freerunner neat.
Nov 08 00:20:14 <borg_> link?
Nov 08 00:22:09 <d-b> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
Nov 08 00:25:39 <tdobson> leinirAWAY: thanks anyway :)
Nov 08 00:26:33 * tdobson pushes to list
Nov 08 00:27:36 <techiem2-r> mozilla spelled wrong.
Nov 08 00:27:37 <techiem2-r> :)
Nov 08 00:28:12 <techiem2-r> other than that cool
Nov 08 00:28:13 <techiem2-r> hehe
Nov 08 00:46:29 <jonkristian> hirrhirr
Nov 08 00:52:44 <slaxxin> hrmmmm    waiting on fso m4 an debian
Nov 08 00:56:22 <jonkristian> :)
Nov 08 00:57:10 <jonkristian> I wan't something new, something open, something borrowed something..... helooMoKO
Nov 08 01:01:52 * mwester takes away jonkristian's beer, and suggests it's time to find a taxi home. :p
Nov 08 01:20:42 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 08 01:21:07 <jonkristian> Time to put on a video and sleep in:)
Nov 08 02:35:23 <recluze> hi all.... I have a query regarding openmoko and apache Harmony class library for java. Has anyone had harmony running with any VM within gta02? 
Nov 08 02:45:09 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r2652c7b0ebc4 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: xserver-kdrive-glamo: make xserver-kdrive a virtual package
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