**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 10 02:59:57 2008 Nov 10 03:26:21 if the .summary file is the same as tjhe .jffs2 file why is there 3 megs difference? Nov 10 03:26:25 shr Nov 10 03:27:46 i think one has something like a filetable included Nov 10 03:27:57 so it boots faster on the first round Nov 10 03:27:59 Be wary I'm regenerating the image Nov 10 03:28:14 ahhh Nov 10 03:28:24 im flashing right now Nov 10 03:30:04 Ainulindale does that mean a newer image is about to be avaliable? Nov 10 03:30:10 Yep Nov 10 03:30:13 Only one change Nov 10 03:30:15 I added midori Nov 10 03:30:21 good Nov 10 03:30:33 You should be able to opkg update; opkg install midori; opkg upgrade Nov 10 03:30:38 (upgrade because I changed the theme) Nov 10 03:30:52 ok Nov 10 03:31:15 phone an gps working well though? Nov 10 03:31:23 Yep Nov 10 03:31:29 yay Nov 10 03:31:29 Be wary though of two issues Nov 10 03:31:39 what? Nov 10 03:31:42 There's a known bug of kernel|frameworkd (don't know which) Nov 10 03:31:57 If you boot with the USB plugged in it'll suspend with no way to resume Nov 10 03:32:00 Just unplug the USB at boot Nov 10 03:32:05 And the second one is Nov 10 03:32:05 ok Nov 10 03:32:20 phone related apps may crash at boot if frameworkd is still settling Nov 10 03:32:28 We still didn't handle a graceful failure Nov 10 03:32:30 ok Nov 10 03:32:45 So just wait for the PIN dialog Nov 10 03:32:48 If you don't have a PIN Nov 10 03:32:50 Then wait :-) Nov 10 03:33:26 i had fdom Nov 10 03:33:44 an my debian installer is borked Nov 10 03:34:31 Well for my part I'm going to sleep Nov 10 03:34:34 See you Nov 10 03:35:24 thanks Nov 10 03:37:56 http://www.accurateit.com/details.asp?iid=1379 Nov 10 03:46:28 very nice Nov 10 03:50:53 i like Nov 10 03:52:31 Does anyone know if the lack of an "official" 2008.10 release means that as part of the back-to-basics strategy, there will be no further official 2008.x releases? Nov 10 03:53:10 im thinking that Nov 10 03:53:25 its going towards shr as far as i know Nov 10 03:53:48 i just installed shr an it looks very good Nov 10 03:54:06 slaxxin, Oh - I didn;t know that was the distribution they were concentrating on. Nov 10 03:54:28 well i could be wrong Nov 10 03:57:07 slaxxin: is there a missed call function in the new version by chance? Nov 10 03:57:22 of? Nov 10 03:57:28 shr? Nov 10 03:57:41 yes Nov 10 03:58:07 missed call function? Nov 10 03:58:12 oo Nov 10 03:58:16 hold on Nov 10 03:58:41 they just disappear on mine and I can't tell who called Nov 10 04:00:19 guess not Nov 10 04:04:45 slaxxin: o well Nov 10 04:09:20 i see rooly Nov 10 04:11:58 what Nov 10 04:13:01 at the gulf Nov 10 04:13:08 tango Nov 10 04:13:10 oh Nov 10 04:13:12 yeah Nov 10 04:13:21 's me Nov 10 04:13:26 i was the first person in louisiana with one Nov 10 04:13:45 yea im bain in fayettville arkansas Nov 10 04:14:09 are you traditional bible belt? Nov 10 04:15:11 i bevieve god exist but not nessecerily in a babtist church Nov 10 04:15:16 lol Nov 10 04:15:20 okay, we can be friends Nov 10 04:15:39 as long as your not male shovenist and have 13 kids, we can be friends Nov 10 04:17:17 lolol Nov 10 04:28:15 so the aux button is resume? Nov 10 04:29:09 on what Nov 10 04:29:17 no, the power button resumes Nov 10 04:29:19 shr Nov 10 04:29:44 hmmm Nov 10 04:30:19 sorry Nov 10 04:30:21 i don't know about shr Nov 10 04:30:43 might not be Nov 10 04:30:48 but iirc, the power button is the only thing with access to things like the pmu Nov 10 04:50:38 i deleted everything on the sdcard via shr's file manager Nov 10 04:50:52 which worked very well Nov 10 04:51:12 does suspending wipe out even vfat filesystems? Nov 10 04:51:36 ? Nov 10 04:51:52 i've had my filesystems wiped out on the sdcard several times now Nov 10 04:51:59 you mean suspending as in suspend/resume? Nov 10 04:52:01 but it's only been the linux fs Nov 10 04:52:02 yeah Nov 10 04:52:09 vfat seems to stay intact Nov 10 04:52:12 The answer is no, it should never do that. Nov 10 04:52:18 If it does, there's a bug. Nov 10 04:52:20 but it does Nov 10 04:52:28 iirc, it's a confirmed bug Nov 10 04:52:32 Try a newer kernel Nov 10 04:52:48 one such bug was fixed - but quite some time ago. Nov 10 04:52:48 i'm using the qtopia-distributed kernel Nov 10 04:53:28 There are several different ones that have been associated with qtopia and qt extended. Nov 10 04:53:49 the qt4.4.2 extended Nov 10 04:54:15 It points you to another site to get a kernel, right? Nov 10 04:54:53 what's the output from "cat /proc/version" Nov 10 04:55:12 does it not come in a .tgz file with the correct kernel? Nov 10 04:55:41 Not qtopia nor qt extended. Nov 10 04:55:50 If they contain a kernel, it would be very old. Nov 10 04:56:02 That's why the qt extended site points you elsewhere to get a kernel. Nov 10 04:56:58 But even so, IIRC the rootfs for qt extended has the "magic" commands to work around the broken kernels at suspend/resume, so you should never have corrupted fs. Nov 10 04:57:21 hmm Nov 10 04:57:36 they contain the "mwester's kernel" Nov 10 04:57:36 If you can reproduce a filesystem corruption, it would be a new problem, and should be reported. Nov 10 04:57:47 probably from an old kernel Nov 10 04:57:57 i figured the one distributed was the latest one Nov 10 04:58:16 rooly|away: that's why I ask -- I know what's in those kernels, that's why I'm thinking that this is a new problem and should be reported. Nov 10 04:58:27 lemme go get my phone Nov 10 04:58:51 It might be the SD card timing or something like that. Nov 10 04:59:55 okay Nov 10 04:59:57 here's the output Nov 10 05:01:06 linux version 2.6.24 mwester@mwester-stable.246698ff32d26f1d gcc version 4.1.2 ##4 preempt sun aug 3 2008 Nov 10 05:01:31 ick Nov 10 05:01:49 distributed with the qtopia flash images Nov 10 05:01:49 3 months Nov 10 05:02:15 rooly|away: at one time, anyway. Nov 10 05:03:20 Anyway, try an updated kernel. The latest stable for GTA02 @ http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels Nov 10 05:03:32 The good news is that might fix it. Nov 10 05:04:00 If not, at least it's up to date, and the bug report will be less likely to be closed by the kernel guys. Nov 10 05:04:11 What type and size of SD card? Nov 10 05:04:19 sandisk 8gig Nov 10 05:04:34 oooo Nov 10 05:04:58 it's been stable all along, but it only started messing up when i attempted to dual-boot Nov 10 05:05:01 hehe! what slaxxin said. Nov 10 05:05:14 it wiped out the second and 3rd partitions Nov 10 05:05:30 but kept the first 7-meg vfat fs Nov 10 05:05:30 sandisk is good, but there have been some troubles reported with the larger SD cards. Nov 10 05:05:49 i've never had problems with it as long as i kept it vfat Nov 10 05:06:45 I think vfat is simpler, so less likely to get corrupted. But you should be able to expect that any filesystem you put on the card will survive suspend/resume. Nov 10 05:07:03 i realize that. Nov 10 05:07:30 i also am not a very picky or upset-able person so bugs in alpha/beta software...don't bother me Nov 10 05:07:40 hard to believe, i know Nov 10 05:08:00 Well, that's good -- but it would annoy me if a bug kept wiping out filesystems. That's a bad problem, IMO. Nov 10 05:09:08 * mwester wonders if the toy budget would accomodate the purchase of an 8Gb uSD card. Nov 10 05:09:08 btw, i think i have found a point where wsod is caused Nov 10 05:09:11 vfat is less likely to get corrupted - or just less likely to notice it? Nov 10 05:09:18 mwester, 40 bucks Nov 10 05:09:22 maybe less Nov 10 05:09:39 cjb_ie: less likely -- there's no journal to play back when it's mounted. Nov 10 05:09:53 what about ext2 Nov 10 05:09:57 that's not journaled is it Nov 10 05:10:05 So technically, ext2 would be similar to vfat in that regard. Nov 10 05:10:14 ext2 corrupts tho Nov 10 05:10:23 Hmm.\ Nov 10 05:10:35 but i lie, that's not true Nov 10 05:10:45 ext2 doesn't corrupt Nov 10 05:10:57 the partition table corrupts Nov 10 05:11:09 ah, so if the journal is corrupt that leads to widespread fs corruption Nov 10 05:11:21 cjb_ie: yes, that's it exactly. Nov 10 05:11:52 so i guess...seeing no partition table, it just reads the devices as normal, sees a standard vfat fs and goes from there Nov 10 05:12:07 it's a bit astonishing there isn't some kind of consistency check on the journal before it's replayed Nov 10 05:12:23 the fs's don't corrupt mind you Nov 10 05:12:26 just the partition table Nov 10 05:12:55 cjb_ie: There is, I think -- the problem happens most often when the first write occurs immediately after mounting, when the journal contains data. Nov 10 05:13:17 But in this case, rooly|away noted that the partition table gets corrupted, so that's a different problem. Nov 10 05:13:54 The partition table is the first block(s) on disk, and are the ones that got messed up with that earlier kernel bug. Nov 10 05:15:47 * mwester suspects rooly|away is testing a newer kernel -- or repairing his SD card again. Nov 10 05:16:35 i'll be installing one momentarily Nov 10 05:52:13 mwester, that kernel update of yours definitely helped Nov 10 05:52:18 my phone is now even a bit faster Nov 10 06:00:01 from where do i get the latest uboot image so that i can boot from ext2 on uSD? Nov 10 07:22:37 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * reb9b4a4e388b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: change qtopia-phone-x11 to include Erin's commits to Nov 10 07:49:05 morning Nov 10 07:53:57 Morning :) Nov 10 07:54:22 mornin Nov 10 07:58:50 http://depts.washington.edu/aimgroup/proj/dollar/ Does this - stroke recogniser in JS work for anyone? Nov 10 07:58:54 not for me under ff3 Nov 10 08:12:55 SpeedEvil: Doesn't work for me either in FF3 Nov 10 08:13:29 SpeedEvil: But IE7 works Nov 10 08:14:00 And the upper right corner does say: "This page has been verified for Internet Explorer only." Nov 10 08:14:10 good morning Nov 10 08:14:27 Missed that. Nov 10 09:25:48 is Settings application still broken in Daily Testing? Nov 10 09:50:00 Is there any updates that might fix my suspend-resume problems in 2008.9? Nov 10 09:50:09 what problems? Nov 10 09:50:18 its worked fine for me since release Nov 10 09:51:13 it's getting better but not perfect Nov 10 10:19:43 Morning. Nov 10 10:20:40 hi Nov 10 11:06:04 openmoko: 03charlie * r4777 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (ATCommands Calypso DSB75 MC75i Todo emacs git strace): Update personal wiki Nov 10 12:57:00 I has returned. Nov 10 12:57:16 you has? Nov 10 12:59:26 just his kitteh Nov 10 12:59:47 and his bukkit Nov 10 13:15:29 there are new android images, with improved graphics! Nov 10 13:15:44 if someone doesn't know Nov 10 13:16:49 * XorA wants android on his kaiser Nov 10 13:18:06 Kaiser? Nov 10 13:18:14 what's android? Nov 10 13:18:17 You makin' a sandwich over there, Xora? Nov 10 13:18:43 Dave: HTC Kaiser, my phone :-) Nov 10 13:19:40 if only he were making a sandwich Nov 10 13:20:49 Ah :p Nov 10 13:20:56 igor, yes! Nov 10 13:21:15 see, all this food talk must have made methril hungry :p Nov 10 13:22:37 Good day Mr. Dave Nov 10 13:25:48 Hallo Kensan. Nov 10 13:44:38 what's cooking Nov 10 14:00:21 where is lpotteR? Nov 10 14:00:29 anybody know why he doesn't show op lately? Nov 10 14:01:09 well, it's the middle of the night for him at the moment. Nov 10 14:01:17 maybe you're just looking for him at the wrong times. Nov 10 14:01:38 yeah, but it's been a week, and i sporadically check irc and never find him in here, while he almost always used to be here Nov 10 14:02:24 I beleive he has kids, kids can do that to people :-) Nov 10 14:02:45 yeah, I think he does. several, I gather. Nov 10 14:03:05 i'll check back when his kids are on summercamp :) Nov 10 14:03:08 heh Nov 10 14:03:34 hi i was just starting with the qemu emulation of openmoko. Was doing everything as per http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu and as i does make run-qemu , the uboot boot menu comes. But as i try to boot, it comes back to the bootmenu itself. whats that i am missing? Nov 10 14:04:04 isn't supposed to show me the gui of openmoko? Nov 10 14:04:05 :) Nov 10 14:04:38 it says "loading kernel image.." and shows the openmoko logo and goes back to the boot menu.. Nov 10 14:10:41 Zorkman: I am pretty confident he reads email though... Nov 10 14:11:16 Kensan: it's also been a week since i've seen a post from him on the mailinglist Nov 10 14:11:40 and about all the problems with qt ext 4.4.2 i've only seen him respond to the problem with the mwester kernel Nov 10 14:11:49 so i thought he might be on a hollliday or something Nov 10 14:12:16 (nothing about broken bluetooth, terminal, no ring on incomming call or sms, no wake from usb with alarm clock....) Nov 10 14:12:58 i'm wondering if there will be new image soon (I know hypnotise has made one that fixes a lot of these things) Nov 10 14:33:33 hello guys, is there a away to put the ar6000 into the monitor mode? Nov 10 14:33:56 moin Nov 10 14:34:05 moin Nobody96 Nov 10 14:43:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r929c78f2e83f 10/setup.py: move theme file to proper location Nov 10 14:46:12 Bish: publically known, nope Nov 10 14:46:37 hm, sad day Nov 10 15:07:26 what other os can you install on the freerunner? Nov 10 15:07:31 I know about android Nov 10 15:07:51 but was there any other os installed on that phone? Nov 10 15:07:52 bentob0x: check the distributions page on the wiki Nov 10 15:07:59 fgs Nov 10 15:08:00 d'oh Nov 10 15:08:04 :D Nov 10 15:08:35 thx zash Nov 10 15:12:12 where can I find the openmoko software architecture? Nov 10 15:12:15 (only j/k) Nov 10 15:17:39 bentob0x: ? Nov 10 15:20:05 bentob0x: something like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Toolkits_.2F_Runtimes ? Nov 10 15:24:44 no it was a joke zash Nov 10 15:24:49 after your 'fgs' Nov 10 15:25:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:OpenmokoFramework08.png Nov 10 15:26:03 my 'fgs' was about android Nov 10 15:26:04 i hate it Nov 10 15:30:46 hehe k, I thought that you were 'fgs' for me asking an 'obvious' question without searching through the wiki first Nov 10 15:31:19 well, i'm happy debian runs on it Nov 10 15:31:23 ppl say that the wiki is an outdated mess Nov 10 15:31:38 well, ppl can help edit the wiki don't they? Nov 10 15:31:45 that's the idea of a wiki ... Nov 10 15:31:46 yes, they can Nov 10 15:31:52 there you go Nov 10 15:32:06 easier to criticise than help fixing it Nov 10 15:32:47 it is Nov 10 15:39:53 i tried to add some stuff about the 71234g sim from at&t but someone erased it then after they figured out what i was saying was right they put it back in 2 months later,, thats why we need a community Questions An Answers for newbs like me can go to for quick STRAIGHT-up answers Nov 10 16:09:17 Is there anyway to read out the battery capacity while charging? Nov 10 16:12:21 Daramarak, Not sure, but try "cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity" Nov 10 16:13:23 I guess 100 means 100% full ;) Nov 10 16:15:54 Yeah it works. Not very quick with a stylus and a touchpanel. But ill write a script :) Nov 10 16:45:23 if my suspend takes longer than 10-30 minutes .. the resume will end up in an white display .. (on om2008/9 and on fs ms3) is this a known issue? or could it be sth else? Nov 10 16:47:15 It is a known issue http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 Nov 10 16:51:26 Does anybody use mofi here? Nov 10 16:53:27 q0b_: yes, definately a known issue, and there are ppl in here (mwester) desperate to get their hands on a FR showing thosesymptoms, so look out ;p Nov 10 16:54:23 sicu: ;) Nov 10 17:00:03 * mwester locates q0b_ 's address, and dispatches a swat team to "liberate" his FR. Nov 10 17:02:38 mwester: I didn't have much time to fiddle around with the debugboard over the weekend but I compared my uboot env with yours and the serial console still gives me crap. Nov 10 17:05:56 ;)) Nov 10 17:56:22 Is it possible to create submenues from the main panel in 2008.9? Nov 10 18:04:00 it seems that the fdom people did it Nov 10 18:04:42 The launch a separate program that displays another menu Nov 10 18:05:06 ok? Nov 10 18:06:32 viq: do you know the name of the program? Nov 10 18:06:39 nope Nov 10 18:08:31 moo Nov 10 18:09:36 It is hard to know if Dave is talking about the fdom program, or if he always sounds like that :) Nov 10 18:10:38 =D Nov 10 18:13:14 Anyone familiar with the ONKEY messages that the PMU unit spits out? Nov 10 18:14:29 hi Nov 10 18:22:36 would a bad sdcard cause zhone fail to connect to dbus? Nov 10 18:22:57 hi Nov 10 18:26:04 i changed my sdcard an now it works Nov 10 18:26:25 What currently gives a better Xglamo performance? SDcard, or the fr itself (NAND?)? Nov 10 18:26:42 In terms of.. for example, watching a small video with mplayer. Nov 10 18:28:58 i am getting an error when flashing the rootfs: download error -84. what does that mean? Nov 10 18:32:19 I have trouble installing lint-wifi I get a okpg: invalid magic. I do not like dabbling with invalid magic, can anyone show me some real magic? Nov 10 18:57:54 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2428ff1029bd 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): ogsmd: Adjust timeout values for GetAuthStatus and SmsSendMessage Nov 10 18:59:20 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r96fc9738e29f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 10 19:00:45 laen! Nov 10 19:02:13 Dave: get badk to work on my android keyboard Nov 10 19:02:34 is freesmartphone.org meant to replace openmoko? Nov 10 19:02:45 two different entities Nov 10 19:02:56 duffolonious: no, more like, complement Nov 10 19:03:00 moko = hardware, fso = phone stack Nov 10 19:03:23 ok Nov 10 19:03:33 Dave = android Nov 10 19:03:38 o_O Nov 10 19:03:43 ~_~ Nov 10 19:03:44 STOP DOING THAT! Nov 10 19:03:49 -_-; Nov 10 19:03:54 *_* Nov 10 19:04:54 ~fish Dave Nov 10 19:04:55 * apt slaps Dave around with a large trout Nov 10 19:06:15 Dave: Hey Nov 10 19:06:18 Did you try latest SHR? Nov 10 19:08:30 Howdy! Nov 10 19:08:41 Ainulindale, not yet, but I'm talkin to sicu about it at the moment :) Nov 10 19:09:15 It better not leak as bad as its predecessors. :| Nov 10 19:09:56 ahoi Nov 10 19:10:01 Dave: Leak? Nov 10 19:14:13 new shr? Nov 10 19:15:41 jonkristian: A bit new, yes Nov 10 19:15:53 jonkristian: no release yet, but yes, there are frequently new testing ones Nov 10 19:16:11 ok Nov 10 19:16:16 haven't tried shr yet Nov 10 19:16:36 been using 2008.9, qte, android. Nov 10 19:19:14 can you really call it 'using' android yet ? Nov 10 19:19:24 or have you made your own keyb ? Nov 10 19:20:50 jonkristian ;p Nov 10 19:20:58 Ainu, yes, LEAK Nov 10 19:21:11 jonkristian: tried new images of sean? whats new in it? Nov 10 19:21:36 sicu: ok, i've been testing, i guess you can't call anything using yet Nov 10 19:22:05 BluesLee: nope, been testing qte ;) Nov 10 19:22:16 DAVE! Nov 10 19:22:42 ja :D Nov 10 19:23:03 :D Nov 10 19:23:27 BluesLee: new images? Nov 10 19:23:40 BluesLee: you are talking about 20081104 , right? Nov 10 19:23:43 SEKRET KERNELZ Nov 10 19:23:57 jonkristian: android 10.11.08 Nov 10 19:24:03 Toggles, also sekret keyboardz :p Nov 10 19:24:03 omG!!! Nov 10 19:24:14 Where, plz Nov 10 19:24:20 hehe Nov 10 19:24:39 same palast Nov 10 19:25:07 uhm, wt? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Updates Nov 10 19:25:17 seans place Nov 10 19:25:26 ah Nov 10 19:25:32 but hey wait a minute Nov 10 19:25:44 no changelog? that's old-school, isn't it? Nov 10 19:25:52 i dont know Nov 10 19:26:01 try it and tell me more Nov 10 19:26:03 ;-) Nov 10 19:26:09 haha, noo Nov 10 19:26:12 u try Nov 10 19:26:17 fight fight fight fight! Nov 10 19:26:18 i'll do it the next time Nov 10 19:26:38 i am doing serious stuff with my juggling balls, getting the millet out of it Nov 10 19:26:54 * jonkristian smacks Dave's forehead with a sausage Nov 10 19:27:01 :O Nov 10 19:27:05 with one hand Nov 10 19:27:12 jonkkuk! Nov 10 19:27:15 :X Nov 10 19:27:28 hi guys, what do you use to read sim card data? is there a lib for that? Nov 10 19:27:31 Dave: hawhawhaw, very funny Nov 10 19:27:59 argh, now i have to backup my l33t qte settings/content. Nov 10 19:28:16 * Dave throws kubæsj at sicu Nov 10 19:28:48 kubæsj faktisk, moooooooooooko Nov 10 19:28:54 :D:D:D Nov 10 19:29:25 folkens Nov 10 19:29:51 oppfør dokk som folk! Nov 10 19:30:51 * sicu somehow isn't as amused by openmoocow anymore Nov 10 19:30:52 :) Nov 10 19:30:52 having kubæsj thrown in your general direction does something to a person Nov 10 19:31:02 sicu =[ Nov 10 19:31:05 hahaha Nov 10 19:31:08 >:) Nov 10 19:31:10 =] Nov 10 19:31:18 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r02c1d33689d3 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Make GetMessagebookInfo return integers (thanks quickdev!) Nov 10 19:31:41 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rbdea4c4ef1f0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 10 19:31:57 is this the new android kernel and image http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/uImage-android ? Nov 10 19:32:09 yesh Nov 10 19:32:13 haha sean mcneil Nov 10 19:32:18 plz test and report back Nov 10 19:32:26 Yes, report back to jonkristian! Nov 10 19:32:38 So then he can install it :P Nov 10 19:32:45 Yesh Nov 10 19:33:44 I read about a funny bug in android today, when you type commands in a sms, the get executed with root privs, lol Nov 10 19:34:57 o_o Nov 10 19:35:02 OMG EXPLOITZ!!1111 Nov 10 19:35:18 I didn't think you could type anything with android on fr Nov 10 19:38:31 jonkristian: it's the from HTC phone Nov 10 19:39:17 i see Nov 10 19:39:50 HEEEEEEEELLOOOOOOOOO! :D Nov 10 19:39:55 Dave, you're crazy Nov 10 19:39:55 OH. NO. Nov 10 19:40:01 bricode: Your Around? Nov 10 19:40:02 ~_~ Nov 10 19:40:02 yeeees Nov 10 19:40:03 STOP DOING THAT! Nov 10 19:40:06 Fucking fougner :p Nov 10 19:40:16 you want to? ^^ Nov 10 19:40:19 Return to the place from whence you come! Nov 10 19:40:55 you mama! Nov 10 19:40:58 your* Nov 10 19:40:59 ;D Nov 10 19:41:05 me mame Nov 10 19:41:10 ma memi Nov 10 19:41:31 javisst... ¬_¬ Nov 10 19:41:35 prosoft: Yep. Nov 10 19:42:02 Dave I LOVE YOU! Nov 10 19:42:04 Dave: would you care to explain what you're qualifying of leak? Nov 10 19:42:06 O_O Nov 10 19:42:09 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1207 Nov 10 19:42:16 ^- - the bug Nov 10 19:42:43 Ainulindale, for example, on 2007, I need to reboot the phone roughly once every 24hr because of terrible memory leaks. Nov 10 19:42:47 bricode: I'm in Wisconsin, so if there's anything that I could download to help you out.. now's my chance :D Nov 10 19:43:14 and after four days or so running straight, the system holds up, because, presumably it runs out of memory or some such. Nov 10 19:43:23 it just doesn't respond anymore. Nov 10 19:43:36 I've found this to be the case, in varying degrees, across all the distros so far. Nov 10 19:43:49 Though of course we know what the worst offenders were (of 2007) ;) Nov 10 19:44:08 Dave: What this has to do with SHR? Nov 10 19:44:29 A lot, though not necessarily directly. Nov 10 19:44:30 prosoft: Well, if you want to play around with Android, Sean has some images posted at http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ Nov 10 19:44:48 brian, do you and sean get along? Nov 10 19:44:49 A week running, my phone is still responsive, Dave Nov 10 19:44:59 I think you should actually test stuff before having opinion about it Nov 10 19:45:03 Ainulindale: shr? Nov 10 19:45:12 jonkristian: What? Nov 10 19:45:18 Running shr? Nov 10 19:45:20 Ainu, I wasn't trash-talking SHR, moreover, I wasn't even referring to it specifically. Nov 10 19:45:23 jonkristian: Indeed Nov 10 19:45:26 Sean should make a torrent Nov 10 19:45:28 Dave: Yes you did =) Nov 10 19:45:31 of the android image Nov 10 19:46:01 Well that's very encouraging to hear, Ainu. Nov 10 19:46:06 In fact, let me flash it right now! Nov 10 19:46:16 Then maybe I can actually pester you about real issues on it :P Nov 10 19:46:26 Wait until I regenerate it then Nov 10 19:46:35 cover your eyes kids ... dave's flashing Nov 10 19:46:36 I just included modfi Nov 10 19:46:40 -d Nov 10 19:46:49 oh really? Nov 10 19:46:53 sicu :P Nov 10 19:46:53 Ainulindale: can you point to the latest when ur done Nov 10 19:46:53 And I built a lite image for people like me not wanting useless stuff Nov 10 19:47:01 jonkristian: it'll be on shr.bearstech.com Nov 10 19:47:02 Cool! Nov 10 19:47:09 It's not "officially" released yet Nov 10 19:47:10 ok Nov 10 19:47:15 We don't consider it stable enough regarding our goals Nov 10 19:47:24 (In fact we lack a graceful failure feature) Nov 10 19:47:33 Yeah, I like to have a freerunner with EVERYTHING on it, to show off to people or play around with, but then I prefer my development phone with nearly nothing on it, and use it as a daily use phone sometimes too. Nov 10 19:47:38 it can boot from sd, right? Nov 10 19:47:43 s/phone/freerunner/g Nov 10 19:47:43 Dave meant: Yeah, I like to have a freerunner with EVERYTHING on it, to show off to people or play around with, but then I prefer my development freerunner with nearly nothing on it, and use it as a daily use freerunner sometimes too. Nov 10 19:47:55 apt: Quiet you! Nov 10 19:52:17 Currently regenerating midori.. Nov 10 19:52:32 Dave: We've been in touch. Nov 10 19:54:05 Ainulindale, could you regenerate frameworkd again please? Nov 10 19:54:29 Yes, waita minute Nov 10 19:54:52 I just borked the midori bb recipe Nov 10 19:55:11 (the one I did) Nov 10 19:55:23 heh Nov 10 19:56:10 Dave: what'cha running now? Nov 10 19:56:22 On the freerunner? Nov 10 19:56:26 yeh Nov 10 19:56:39 I think I want to try out Android after all :D Nov 10 19:56:39 2007 is still my main distro :D Nov 10 19:56:50 * Dave installs DR-DOS on Fougner Nov 10 19:56:56 WHAAAAAAAT? Nov 10 19:57:03 what's DR-DOS? Nov 10 19:57:12 I want DSL! Nov 10 19:57:22 Dave: so you boot that off of sd, or what? Nov 10 19:57:58 nope Nov 10 19:58:11 haha, DR-DOS is back !!! Nov 10 19:58:34 /o\ Nov 10 19:59:08 Ainulindale, I committed libframeworkd-phonegui, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl and ophonekitd Nov 10 19:59:12 \o/ Nov 10 19:59:21 Which are the changes? Nov 10 19:59:26 what's DR-DOS? Nov 10 19:59:26 Fougner: Building Android right now is pretty painful. Nov 10 19:59:44 Ainulindale, the full sim message storage dialog Nov 10 20:00:01 hahaha Nov 10 20:00:17 Ok :-) Nov 10 20:00:47 grrr, Dave what is DR-DOS? Nov 10 20:00:58 Muwahahahahaha Nov 10 20:01:01 Freedos thingy. Nov 10 20:01:07 digital research dos Nov 10 20:01:24 whata? Nov 10 20:01:29 NO Nov 10 20:01:34 NO? Nov 10 20:01:42 Dos clone without an MS licence or something. Nov 10 20:01:46 Annoying, shitty, and aggravating hell :D Nov 10 20:01:56 nah ... it's pure bliss Nov 10 20:01:57 laen, stop helping! :P Nov 10 20:01:59 But eehm.. Nov 10 20:02:04 DAAAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEEE <3 Nov 10 20:02:05 ? Nov 10 20:02:09 sicu :O Nov 10 20:02:20 I make people leave. Nov 10 20:02:23 How are ya? Nov 10 20:02:26 DAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEE is MIIIINEEE <3<3<3 Nov 10 20:02:27 And how is Fougner :) Nov 10 20:02:35 FOUGNEERRRR <3 Nov 10 20:02:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS Nov 10 20:02:38 oh hi laen ! =D Nov 10 20:02:43 hvordan sier du assrape pÃ¥ Norsk? Nov 10 20:02:43 o hai :D Nov 10 20:02:44 Ainulindale: Give a heads up when img's are done then:) Nov 10 20:02:52 Dave: skinkerytter Nov 10 20:02:53 ;p Nov 10 20:02:57 :D Nov 10 20:03:03 That's what Dr Dos is like ;D Nov 10 20:03:06 lol Nov 10 20:03:22 jonkristian: I will don't worry Nov 10 20:03:56 I don't worry, im just bored Nov 10 20:04:03 Fougner and laen... Nov 10 20:04:15 trekant? :P Nov 10 20:04:40 humptydumptyphysics Nov 10 20:04:55 :D Nov 10 20:05:07 Dave, sick Nov 10 20:05:16 hey all, its not exactly moko related, but how do i list supported filesystems that mount can take? Nov 10 20:05:30 hmm Nov 10 20:05:43 try list it in fdisk? =P Nov 10 20:06:22 Fougner, im pretty sure not everything there is supported by mount,.... or am i wrong? Nov 10 20:08:13 F4t, you never know ;) Nov 10 20:08:33 but you really think mount is the limit? Nov 10 20:08:52 Ok, fixed midori. Nov 10 20:08:56 I think you can mount whatever you want, then the filesystem "drivers" are in the kernel or something? Nov 10 20:09:07 F4t: cat /proc/filesystems Nov 10 20:09:39 Ainulindale, thanks Nov 10 20:09:44 You're welcome Nov 10 20:10:47 fo some reason though iso is missing from that list... ? Nov 10 20:10:51 for* Nov 10 20:10:58 I had a OpenMoko Freerunner on my hands today. I do not like it. It looks old. Old design. Nov 10 20:11:12 had? what happened to it? Nov 10 20:11:28 I want something that looks as an iPhone but works as an OpenMoko Nov 10 20:11:48 yuck! Nov 10 20:11:55 hehe, iPhone is so glossy Nov 10 20:11:55 F4t, it is my co-worker phone Nov 10 20:12:03 retro is the new loud Nov 10 20:12:19 hehe, jonkristian you're right :P Nov 10 20:12:39 design designed just for design is not design Nov 10 20:13:20 and Steve Jobs >= EVIL Nov 10 20:13:32 oops, did i say that out loud Nov 10 20:13:32 * leinir just tried out the new android images :) Nov 10 20:13:33 Greater than? Nov 10 20:13:35 :D Nov 10 20:13:37 Leinir, and? Nov 10 20:13:40 design made for function and simplicity is good Nov 10 20:13:51 Dave: or equal to Nov 10 20:13:52 made out of crappy materials = fail Nov 10 20:13:52 They're quite nice, a lot more pleasant to use than the previous one :) Nov 10 20:14:09 leinir: suspend? Nov 10 20:14:13 toggles_w: Nope ;) Nov 10 20:14:21 leinir, you recommend me to try it ? I just want a phone that's easy and stable to call and sms with Nov 10 20:14:21 Leinir, but deep down, you'll always be a qt whore? Nov 10 20:14:24 :) Nov 10 20:14:24 leinir: dizzzam.. Nov 10 20:14:34 And also no wifi on mine, and it doesn't seem able to see the contacts on my sim Nov 10 20:14:43 hehe Nov 10 20:14:45 good one Nov 10 20:14:57 Fougner: There's a couple of known problems that are showstoppers for that, really :) Nov 10 20:15:20 There's no softkeyboard, and there is no button to answer calls (the G1 has a hardware button for picking up calls) :) Nov 10 20:15:34 oh god Nov 10 20:15:39 * Dave presses leinir's buttons Nov 10 20:15:45 * leinir murrs ;) Nov 10 20:15:47 how am I supposed to call someone then? :o Nov 10 20:15:59 Android + Debian = Heaven? Nov 10 20:16:02 Fougner: You call people by using the dialer app - that much works :) You just can't pick calls up :) Nov 10 20:16:04 Fougner: you can call out through the onscreen dialer Nov 10 20:16:15 bricode: android + debian = logic error ;) Nov 10 20:16:21 leinir, thaaa, but how am I supposed to pick em up? Nov 10 20:16:26 Android is a complete stack :) Nov 10 20:16:52 Hmm, I want to use my FR as a webserver Nov 10 20:16:54 :D Nov 10 20:16:55 leinir: That happens to run happily in a chroot environment on it :) Nov 10 20:16:59 Fougner: You can't yet :) Nov 10 20:17:23 leinir, oh... good.... ^^ Nov 10 20:17:38 Fougner: So no, if you want something which works day-to-day, android isn't it :) Nov 10 20:18:01 If you want to use it as a phone, Qtextended. If you want to use it as an OS, Debian. Done! :) Nov 10 20:18:02 (SHR image is currently being generated...) Nov 10 20:18:14 sweet Nov 10 20:18:14 Penetrated? o.O Nov 10 20:18:30 Dave: Oh so now you're using your freerunner as a butt plug ? Nov 10 20:18:36 With openmoocow I'm sure Nov 10 20:18:40 hahaha Nov 10 20:18:41 laen, Qt seems to be very clumsy Nov 10 20:19:01 for example, write sms xD Nov 10 20:19:08 That might explain sicu's sudden dislike of openmoocow... Nov 10 20:19:08 :p Nov 10 20:19:08 Mwah. Just don't do more then calling and make sure you got the latest kernel. Nov 10 20:19:13 Fougner: there are other keyboards :) Nov 10 20:19:14 Writing English texts is super-nice :) Nov 10 20:19:18 laen o.O Nov 10 20:19:36 laen, for example+ Nov 10 20:20:01 Hm? Nov 10 20:20:12 You're talking about the keyboards in Qtextended Nov 10 20:20:13 ? Nov 10 20:20:42 If you are writing an SMS, upper right corner has a very tiny keyboard selection thing. Nov 10 20:21:17 You can also go Options -> Change Input :) Nov 10 20:21:37 * laen looks at Dave and Fougner quickly booting up their Qt's Nov 10 20:21:44 In between guys Nov 10 20:21:46 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots Nov 10 20:21:58 thanks Ainulindale, interested in SHR here :) Nov 10 20:22:07 laen, I mean that it's very hard to write a sms with that small keyboard xD Nov 10 20:22:18 Ainulindale: looks veeeery good :) Nov 10 20:22:31 Calcolator! :D Nov 10 20:22:32 Fougner: Ah oh well, it's no bigger then matchbox's :) Nov 10 20:22:44 Dave: :p moocow is off limits now ... illegal in some parts of the world Nov 10 20:22:46 Screenshot was made by an italian Nov 10 20:23:28 moocow? Nov 10 20:23:33 aaha Nov 10 20:23:36 well, looks nice Nov 10 20:23:47 what's fixed in this latest release? Nov 10 20:23:55 "fixed" ? Nov 10 20:24:10 :p Nov 10 20:24:13 made Nov 10 20:24:21 sorted out Nov 10 20:24:23 Look at the screens, it'll tell you what we did Nov 10 20:24:24 changed Nov 10 20:24:29 icons Nov 10 20:24:33 that's all I can see? Nov 10 20:24:37 * Dave confiscates Fougner's enter key Nov 10 20:24:37 Fougner: teh sex. Nov 10 20:24:50 laen, say what? Nov 10 20:24:58 Just look at them! Nov 10 20:25:08 * Fougner hits Dave with the rest of his keyboard Nov 10 20:25:28 * laen throws stylus pens at Fougner Nov 10 20:25:35 haha Nov 10 20:25:38 * jonkristian ducks Nov 10 20:25:41 * Dave pelt Fougner with freerunners Nov 10 20:26:11 :o Nov 10 20:26:15 STOP IT! Nov 10 20:26:16 you hit me Nov 10 20:26:22 need mediiiic! Nov 10 20:26:34 * Dave fires a tranquilizer at Fougner Nov 10 20:27:02 ...eeek... Nov 10 20:27:15 ..zzzz... Nov 10 20:27:34 * laen wonders if that tranquilizer was tasty alcohol Nov 10 20:27:41 nah Nov 10 20:27:46 it was really a laxitive Nov 10 20:27:48 i filled it meself Nov 10 20:27:56 Yikes :P Nov 10 20:27:57 hahaha Nov 10 20:27:58 haha Nov 10 20:28:03 I'm not feeling very well... :S Nov 10 20:28:04 * Dave high-fives rooly Nov 10 20:28:09 schwing Nov 10 20:28:12 :D Nov 10 20:28:15 hahahaha Nov 10 20:28:25 isn't this teh bestest channel >_< Nov 10 20:28:31 it is.. Nov 10 20:28:33 But of course it is! Nov 10 20:28:34 laxitive + moocow = projectile mess Nov 10 20:28:37 * Fougner runs away... Nov 10 20:28:40 hahaha Nov 10 20:28:42 openmoomess? Nov 10 20:28:46 :p Nov 10 20:28:46 roflmao Nov 10 20:28:47 lol Nov 10 20:30:42 christ man Nov 10 20:30:46 debian is on the g1 Nov 10 20:30:54 and? Nov 10 20:30:56 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ <= jffs2 is here Nov 10 20:31:00 I didn't test it, but it should work Nov 10 20:31:10 nothing really Nov 10 20:31:14 it's just funnyu Nov 10 20:31:21 Currently generating the lite image Nov 10 20:31:25 debian runs on everything doesn't it Nov 10 20:31:38 I'm gonna read loads of stuff upcoming days, and try to help out the Gentoo team :) Nov 10 20:32:06 Cause if i can get Gentoo running as swell as Debian does on it.. i don't need anything else anymore :P Nov 10 20:32:23 except a phone Nov 10 20:32:33 I'll write that! :P Nov 10 20:32:47 But uh, there's still Zhone. Nov 10 20:32:57 :P Nov 10 20:34:35 Ainulindale: is that for the fr aswell? Nov 10 20:34:54 Look at the directory Nov 10 20:34:59 There's a shr-gta02 image Nov 10 20:35:02 ah, see it Nov 10 20:35:13 It's getting bigger and bigger Nov 10 20:35:16 92mb today Nov 10 20:35:22 There's too much stuff for me Nov 10 20:35:24 (Hence the lite image) Nov 10 20:35:50 Ainulindale: what kinda a kernel works good with this? Nov 10 20:35:58 jonkristian: Same directory, uImage is here Nov 10 20:36:19 * laen hands jonkristian a pair of glasses Nov 10 20:36:27 Anyway, going to eat Nov 10 20:36:32 Have a good meal! Nov 10 20:37:09 Oh come on, when there's more than one uImage how would i know that all are the same. Nov 10 20:37:50 Size and time? Nov 10 20:38:19 yeah yeah, hehe Nov 10 20:38:25 :P Nov 10 20:42:17 hi Nov 10 20:42:29 I'm once again trying to get the toolchain working Nov 10 20:42:42 wich I guess should be easy, but again it explodes on my box, sigh Nov 10 20:43:02 when trying to compile the openmoko-sample2, I get: ../libtool: line 807: X--tag=CC: command not found Nov 10 20:43:17 that's after om-conf (that seems to pass ok) Nov 10 20:43:30 i.e after, omconf, when I do make Nov 10 20:43:59 this is on ubuntu 8.10... I tried the same on gentoo and there it explodes with a different (also libtool-related) issue Nov 10 20:44:26 I guess it has to do with libtool/auto-whatever versions Nov 10 20:45:28 everyone else was lucky enought to get this working? :) Nov 10 20:50:19 ooh ATT added autopay to GoPhone Nov 10 20:50:27 hurr Nov 10 20:50:59 * techiem2-r hugs his $25 every 90 days prepay plan for his FR Nov 10 20:51:00 hehehe Nov 10 20:51:14 :) Nov 10 20:54:37 I got a freerunner for a week, borrowed from a friend, it has andriod installed. is there a way to reset it to factory system? Nov 10 20:56:11 smhar: you either flash the distribution you want into internal memory, or install it onto SD card and boot that Nov 10 20:56:28 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rb4fc84fef759 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Increase {Get,Set}AntennaPower timeout Nov 10 20:56:41 <_charly_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Nov 10 20:57:27 viq: so I need to do this with the computer connected? I just started reading the 'USB Networking' section Nov 10 20:57:27 how well does android work? Nov 10 20:59:06 rooly: it works ok. I could make and receive calls, but no sms as there is no input system. did not check the bluetooth and wifi Nov 10 20:59:09 smhar: there is no "factory settings". Let me put it in other words what you just asked, to make it clearer for you: "Hi, I borrowed from a friend a laptop that was sold with SUSE, but now it has ubuntu installed, how do I reset it to factory settings?" Nov 10 21:00:35 viq: that is clear now, although I uses none of them, :-) Nov 10 21:00:52 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd9a0e574e415 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 10 21:02:30 viq: since I will be using it for only a week, do you recommend a specif distro for me, Nov 10 21:03:12 try them all, one day with each :P Nov 10 21:03:30 I am not a good person to advise you on that. Nov 10 21:03:33 viq: I want to show case it to several people in this week so I want it to work, reasonably Nov 10 21:06:35 smhar: then you'd better ask someone who actually knows something about it, not me :P Nov 10 21:09:56 torindel: have you put any howto's up on the gentoo-wiki or somewhere else? Nov 10 21:10:46 * jonkristian booting shr for the first time Nov 10 21:10:57 i like the splash:) Nov 10 21:16:01 Uhm Nov 10 21:16:29 Ainulindale: should i be greeted with a desktop, like a regular e17 desktop? Nov 10 21:24:18 jonkristian: No Nov 10 21:24:30 If you didn't choose illume as a profile, it'll be borked, and that's normal Nov 10 21:24:34 Then if it is Nov 10 21:24:37 Stop X Nov 10 21:24:41 Then rm -rf ~/.e Nov 10 21:24:53 ok Nov 10 21:29:50 does the roof fs image for fdom include the kernel as well? Nov 10 21:34:11 does the roof fs image for fdom include the kernel as well? because the NeoTool asks for this Nov 10 21:40:17 and should I flash when freerunner is on or off? because when it is off I got an error of device not fount Nov 10 21:40:26 s/fount/found Nov 10 21:43:08 salman: have looked at this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Before_using_dfu-util Nov 10 21:45:45 weirdedout: doing now.. the problem is when I connect the usb with new I loose wireless network and connection to the net Nov 10 21:49:36 so the openmoko is finally ready for purchase?!? Nov 10 21:49:54 define "ready" ;) Nov 10 21:54:22 Hello to everyone. Nov 10 21:54:40 I just bought a new Openmoko Freerunner Nov 10 21:55:33 I've added Angstrom and ScaredyCat repos and done opkg update. Nov 10 21:55:58 But I can't install any application. Nov 10 21:56:08 salman: That I cannot explain. But flashing shouldn't need a network connection. Nov 10 21:56:18 Can you help? Nov 10 21:56:31 Thanx... Nov 10 21:56:43 emsyr: which distro are you running? Nov 10 21:56:49 2007.2 Nov 10 21:57:39 emsyr: what error comes back? Nov 10 21:58:12 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Nov 10 21:58:19 ok.. I downloaded the rootfs.jffs2 file for fdom is this all? do I need a kernel image too? I want to flash the freerunner that has andriod installed Nov 10 21:58:33 Collected errors: Nov 10 21:58:46 Cannot find package openmoko-dates2. Nov 10 21:58:57 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' Nov 10 21:59:05 That' all. Nov 10 21:59:40 emsyr: that would suggest that the package is not in the repos you have configured, I am not sure exactly the state of support with the 2007 image at the moment Nov 10 21:59:48 salman: if you have installed android previously you probably need the kernel image also. Nov 10 22:00:24 Tig|: what would you suggest? Nov 10 22:00:48 all that , all that Nov 10 22:01:12 emsyr: it really depends on what you want to do with your phone a good start would be the distributions page on the wiki Nov 10 22:01:13 > # Om2007.2 is not supported anymore. Most bugs in the Trac related to that distro have been closed with status "community". Nov 10 22:01:15 set the cloac with the terminal on the latest SHR? Nov 10 22:01:20 from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/November_2nd%2C_2008 Nov 10 22:01:43 I'd suggest to move on... although it depends what do you expect form your FR :) Nov 10 22:02:52 dent: It's supposed that these apps run on 2007.2 Nov 10 22:03:22 At least this is written in the wiki. Nov 10 22:05:07 emsyr: 2007.2 was killed by Om. The funeral service was held, the body was displayed for the mourners for some time, now it has been buried, the dirt put back in the hole, and a tombstone erected. It's best to find another image to work with... Nov 10 22:05:27 so, If get this the openmoko will all the nobelievers be impressed, or will it just make an ass out of the open source movement Nov 10 22:05:29 holla back Nov 10 22:05:34 ya mean Nov 10 22:06:07 Dave: so, did you flash SHR? Nov 10 22:06:54 So you say to move on to 2008.1 Nov 10 22:07:50 2008.9 Nov 10 22:09:00 Mmmmmdppphhphppphppmmmpphh!!!! <--- me biting my tongue to keep from saying what I really think about 2008.x Nov 10 22:09:16 But yes, that is one of the current firmwares Nov 10 22:09:39 Maybe Qtopia is better??? Nov 10 22:09:48 mwester :)) Nov 10 22:10:20 You really need to consider what applications you need, and base your choice on that... there are entirely too many images/firmwares, and none of them are really working completely yet. Nov 10 22:10:44 Qt Extended (Qtopia) is a vey good one, but it will not run any standard X-based applications. Nov 10 22:12:35 mwester: have you installed 2008.9? Nov 10 22:13:58 emsyr: Yes. Nov 10 22:14:18 I've installed most of them, actually. Nov 10 22:14:25 And didn't like it? Nov 10 22:14:50 I did not find 2008.9 to be in any way usable. Nov 10 22:15:17 Others like it. Nov 10 22:15:38 What do you suggest? Nov 10 22:16:09 But it seems to me, that most people avoid 2008.9, and install something called "fdom" which is supposed to be just 2008.9 with lots of applications added and bugs fixed... Nov 10 22:16:45 Personally, I use Qt Extended, because it is the closest to something that works. SHR is very close to a release (that uses FSO underneath). Nov 10 22:17:16 Debian is used by many, and is a cool idea -- but doesn't work for me because it isn't much of a phone, more of a small desktop. Nov 10 22:17:18 IMO Nov 10 22:17:46 mwester: i'd only need a reliable gsm program on top of debian Nov 10 22:17:51 ok... flashing of fdom and kernel is completed but I got a kernel panic: not syncing: no init found. try passing init= opt Nov 10 22:17:55 It's really rather cool that there are so many choices, but it does mean that work is spread out instead of focused on making any one work well. Nov 10 22:18:07 ok... flashing of fdom and kernel is completed but I got a kernel panic: not syncing: no init found. try passing init= opt Nov 10 22:18:16 mwester: current state of fso-frameworkd+zhone unfortunately is not that. today for example it did not ring at all when an incoming call was made Nov 10 22:18:39 lindi-: zhone is a demo/debug program only, so I'm not surprised really. Nov 10 22:18:53 SHR might run on debian -- that could be good. Nov 10 22:19:03 But youl'd have to talk to the SHR team about that. Nov 10 22:19:25 That'll be easy Nov 10 22:19:27 mwester: i've also tried to remove brightness control and handling of AUX from frameworkd (fortunately it is configurable) Nov 10 22:19:38 mwester: since i'd really want it to only do GSM stuff for me Nov 10 22:20:20 mwester: yeah i looked at the shr phone app but it had some library dependencies that nobody had packaged yet Nov 10 22:20:39 mwester: does it have a simple "dialer" that only needs GSM support from frameworkd? Nov 10 22:26:04 hi guys, does any one know if there is a easy way to read sim card data? a library or something else other than AT commands? Nov 10 22:36:51 vivijim: many ways Nov 10 22:37:01 vivijim: look at zhone source code for example Nov 10 22:38:41 lindi-: I'm going to take a look! Thanks Nov 10 22:43:24 OK!!! Nov 10 22:43:41 I did it. Installed apps on 2007 Nov 10 22:54:50 Hi, Does anyone know whether Freerunner/1973 specific Android bugs are being tracked anywhere? Nov 10 23:06:02 mwester: Around? Even had problems of only receiving certain type of events on /dev/input/event4? Nov 10 23:06:27 mwester: It seems that with my latest kernel, I only get "long press" event messages from the PMU. Nov 10 23:06:59 peppertarts: Not at the moment. Koolu plans to have something once a stable codebase is formed. Nov 10 23:18:41 bricode: Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open. Nov 10 23:20:56 peppertarts: Do you have a particular question? Nov 10 23:24:48 Hm, http://planet.openmoko.org/ the post regarding android, sms (done), that doesn't mean we're able to send sms'es with the fr, right? Nov 10 23:26:02 jonkristian: No keyboard to do it well. Nov 10 23:26:21 hm Nov 10 23:26:58 So basically we would have to wait until the first quarter of 2009, and even longer. Nov 10 23:27:33 By then I recon the om will be getting really wicked:) Nov 10 23:27:35 Not necessarily, but that's when Google will supposedly have an onscreen keyboard included. Nov 10 23:28:26 Yeah, i see. It doesn't look very promising towards others doing that though, since there's no easy way for it:) Nov 10 23:28:47 But it's still an awesome project:) Nov 10 23:28:58 jonkristian: There was someone who did a kernel based one for the HTC Vogue. Nov 10 23:29:06 What about speech recognition, lol Nov 10 23:29:12 bricode: cool Nov 10 23:30:03 bricode : how about this one http://www.android-community.org/content/show.php/Shapewriter?content=89637 ? Nov 10 23:30:07 Maybe there might be some good speed recognition apps out there for linux that can be portet:) Nov 10 23:30:15 s/speed/speech Nov 10 23:30:34 Sphynx has ARM packages I believe. Nov 10 23:31:23 as far as reading that post on what it does, it seems to still be dependent on keystrokes Nov 10 23:31:45 FilipLinux4BE: Saw that one. Not sure if it requires the program to be "keyboard" enabled or not. Nov 10 23:32:05 bricode: No particular question. I have just started looking into why Android appears to restart when you tap the bottom item in sound settings. I just wanted to make sure I'm not wasting my time. Nov 10 23:32:22 there's a nice video of it on http://www.shapewriter.com/android.html Nov 10 23:32:50 I hope android get's sd booting capabilities, i would definatley use it as a second system:) Nov 10 23:33:28 jonkristian: It's in the plans. Nov 10 23:34:03 there's also slideit i see:) Nov 10 23:34:06 bricode: awesome Nov 10 23:35:05 Once I get a stable kernel working on it, I'll be doing some image enhancemnets. Nov 10 23:45:01 bricode: sphinx, and have seen this? http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ Nov 10 23:45:40 jonkristian: Yep. Looked pretty interesting. No idea on performance though. Mind you, I was doing SR on a P-90 many moons ago. Nov 10 23:45:51 :) Nov 10 23:46:01 I am going to test it on my laptop here Nov 11 00:05:04 Are there any good documentation regarding porting of apps to om? Nov 11 00:09:30 ah, the wiki is soo great:) Nov 11 00:09:59 jonkristian: start on the wiki, pick a distro first and then look at the openembedded stuff for making a buildhost Nov 11 00:10:49 currently looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Openmoko_from_scratch#How_to_build Nov 11 00:11:42 that will get you 2007.2 Nov 11 00:11:44 I got pointed to that from this, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_an_ipk_package_from_sources , might be outdated? Nov 11 00:11:59 what distro are you looking at? Nov 11 00:12:26 the om, actually, first off i am just wanting to learn this. Nov 11 00:14:46 there are a few distributions that run on the om hardware : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions the distro being pushed at the moment by om is the 2008.09 version but later images will use the new framework being built in the FSO images Nov 11 00:15:07 i see Nov 11 00:19:33 :\ Nov 11 00:20:03 jonkristian, jobber du sent i kveld? ;p Nov 11 00:20:19 Dave: :) Nov 11 00:20:38 Dave: jobber sent nÃ¥r jeg føler for det, I am my own Lord:) Nov 11 00:21:15 ja ja ;p Nov 11 00:21:35 moko moko moko Nov 11 00:22:46 Dave: hva er din unskyldning? Nov 11 00:22:58 Dave: titter litt pÃ¥ http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ Nov 11 00:26:31 hahaha Nov 11 00:27:16 kul ^^ Nov 11 00:27:22 yeah Nov 11 00:28:14 Hi Dave - I'm hoping you'll send me your 277 page, 6 point font list of recommendations for changes to "orrery". Nov 11 00:30:50 Hello! Nov 11 00:30:55 haha Nov 11 00:31:29 I sure hope so :) Nov 11 00:31:43 Ken did you ever get my question last time? Nov 11 00:32:01 What question was that? Nov 11 00:32:17 Simply put, how do I zoom out!? Nov 11 00:33:52 You zoom in by circling the region of interest - to zoom out, just press the zoomable area for more than 1/4 second without moving your finger (much). Nov 11 00:35:41 oy Nov 11 00:36:08 hmm Nov 11 00:36:10 okay then! Nov 11 00:36:18 Is oy good or bad in this context? Nov 11 00:36:34 Well that isn't very intuitive... Nov 11 00:36:43 but it's not bad, now that I've just got the hang of it Nov 11 00:36:50 I wish we could have stateful zoom levels Nov 11 00:36:56 How would you recommend doing it? Nov 11 00:36:58 but hey, one step at a time I suppose Nov 11 00:37:18 Like I just zoomed in on Deneb Kaitos Nov 11 00:37:25 then I zoomed in on two of it's major stars Nov 11 00:39:55 The reason I didn't go with zoom levels is that circling se.eemed more intuitive, and is continuously variabl Nov 11 00:40:36 yes :] Nov 11 00:40:40 But I'll admit the unzoom is non-obvious. It is explained on the wiki page though. Perhaps inadequately. Nov 11 00:40:43 one sec Nov 11 00:41:19 arcsec? Nov 11 00:42:43 counter-clockwise circle zooms out -rigght? Nov 11 00:43:08 slaxxin, Sadly, no - any circle zooms in. Nov 11 00:44:37 shr is giving no usb interface Nov 11 00:49:42 slaxxin: Huh? Nov 11 00:49:44 You're mistaken Nov 11 00:49:50 That happens only if you launch mofi Nov 11 00:49:57 Because mofi does ifconfig usb0 down Nov 11 00:50:08 You can modify that looking at /etc/mofi/connect.sh Nov 11 00:53:28 Hello Nov 11 00:55:25 I encountered a weird problem. I've flashed Om2008.09 into my FR and then I've upgraded to testing repository. Device restart and then all I can see is black screen and "INSTALLER" on the bottom. Nov 11 00:55:29 Where are icons?! Nov 11 00:55:44 ;-) any help? Nov 11 00:57:03 ok Nov 11 00:58:10 how to shut down shr Nov 11 00:58:41 hold power? Nov 11 00:58:56 Prolly. Nov 11 00:59:04 testing is a bare distro Nov 11 00:59:06 Or ssh and type 'shutdown -h now' Nov 11 01:00:01 slaxxin: well. All I have done is flashed Om2008.9 and `opkg update && opkg upgrade` Nov 11 01:00:15 And now it's brickey ;P Nov 11 01:01:02 and then I've upgraded to testing repository? Nov 11 01:01:17 reflash Nov 11 01:01:18 Hey Ainu :) Nov 11 01:01:58 KenYoung - fuck Nov 11 01:02:05 somehow I think I broke the map display Nov 11 01:02:06 :x Nov 11 01:02:09 it won't "reset" Nov 11 01:02:58 Dave: yes? Nov 11 01:03:04 slaxxin: well. because src/gz daily-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/* is in distro feeds as a default. Nov 11 01:03:17 Dave - Yes, you've discovered my secret shame. About 1 in a dozen of so zooms glitches the system, and you can't zoom out. You have to restart the program. Sorry,. I'm looking for that bug. Nov 11 01:03:21 slaxxin: yep, holding power to shutdown Nov 11 01:03:56 Oh well. I'll reflash. Nov 11 01:03:57 :| Nov 11 01:04:00 Okay, Ken :P Nov 11 01:04:11 At least you don't have to reflash. Nov 11 01:04:19 Sorry about the bug. Nov 11 01:04:37 Note that when that happens, it seems panning is disabled? or no longer functions. Nov 11 01:04:43 it simply switches between the two display modes Nov 11 01:04:51 (wherever the contents may be) Nov 11 01:05:07 And there's a little green blob in the upper left corner, correct? Nov 11 01:05:13 yeah! Nov 11 01:05:20 it seems like a mush of labels or something Nov 11 01:05:21 :) Nov 11 01:05:25 That's my bug! Nov 11 01:05:30 Hooray!? Nov 11 01:05:33 smash it Nov 11 01:05:43 It's yours. Nov 11 01:05:45 no dave no Nov 11 01:05:47 You have panned to Sgr A*, and gotten too close. Nov 11 01:05:50 At least I've reproduced it rather quickly :) Nov 11 01:06:18 Hm. Quick survey: What distro you are using? Nov 11 01:06:44 SHR :-) Nov 11 01:06:54 ike, Are you asking someone in particular, or everyone? Nov 11 01:07:04 I believe it was open to the floor. Nov 11 01:07:22 You as all of you right now Ken ;-) Nov 11 01:07:29 One phone still has 2007.2, the other FDOM. Nov 11 01:07:42 2008.9 primary, playing with debian Nov 11 01:10:07 ike, did you notice there was a poll about this posted on the Openmoko Planet section on Nov. 5 (en francais)? Nov 11 01:10:31 hmmm...is it possible to boot several distros from a single flash card? i.e. can a bootloader be setup on it to launch say, debian, qtopia, etc. Nov 11 01:10:51 KenYoung: this poll is biased Nov 11 01:11:02 As it takes into account SHR, which hasn't released officialy so far Nov 11 01:11:05 Mon Dieu! Nov 11 01:11:12 Ouais, mon dieu :-) Nov 11 01:11:19 KenYoung: oh! I didn't. Sorry. Nov 11 01:13:14 More orrery! Nov 11 01:13:18 * Dave restarts Nov 11 01:13:29 Hm. So another question: which repository should I use with Om2008.09 release? Nov 11 01:13:30 Send suggestions for changes! Nov 11 01:14:45 KenYoung: nice poll. thanks for a tip. pitty i don't understand french. Nov 11 01:14:59 however numbers are fully understandable. :-) Nov 11 01:15:23 Yup, FDOM is a big hit. Nov 11 01:20:30 shr is a big hit Nov 11 01:21:21 Duh Nov 11 01:21:52 what dave u gonna break shr to? Nov 11 01:26:36 Probably ;D Nov 11 01:26:40 I'm a wrecking machine!! Nov 11 01:26:46 BOOM!! Nov 11 01:27:42 Dave - I'll have time to look for that bug tomorrow. As far as I know, you and I are the only ones who have seen it. I get no bug reports from anyone. Nov 11 01:30:17 Ken, yeah, no one else seems to comment at all? :| Nov 11 01:30:30 Though I think it's evident there ARE in fact other users. :) Nov 11 01:32:20 Well, the gFOrge site reports 1500 downloads. Nov 11 01:33:24 Right! :D Nov 11 01:33:28 slaxxin: SHR is a big hit? Nov 11 01:34:04 hah Nov 11 01:34:07 Not quite yet ;) Nov 11 01:34:15 He told so, I was just wondering why Nov 11 01:41:52 media player works well an headphones Nov 11 01:42:09 although no gps yet Nov 11 01:42:26 GPS is working here Nov 11 01:42:53 i see my friends but no personal becon Nov 11 01:43:33 gpsd? Nov 11 01:47:14 Hmm? Nov 11 01:47:39 Don't worry, WE see you, slaxxin >:) Nov 11 01:47:53 Hey Joerg :) Nov 11 01:48:58 hey, Dave. morning! :-) Nov 11 01:49:22 ;D Nov 11 01:49:33 i see u too dave Nov 11 01:50:18 :D Nov 11 01:50:20 Good. Nov 11 01:50:25 I hope my stalker isn't there. Nov 11 01:50:46 me too Nov 11 01:50:49 heh Nov 11 02:02:44 * techiem2-r recompiles desktop kernel Nov 11 02:06:30 holy blood, customs office is being so slow. Nov 11 02:07:41 So I'm looking to finally get a SIM card for my OpenMoko Nov 11 02:07:46 I've never had a phone/GSM before Nov 11 02:07:55 So I need to buy a SIM card and I want prepaid T-Mobile Nov 11 02:08:09 What's the best place online to buy this for myself? Nov 11 02:08:40 * mwester-laptop bought his at eBay Nov 11 02:08:59 :D Nov 11 02:09:41 * mwester-laptop looks for Dave's commits for the Android keyboard project... Nov 11 02:09:44 mwester-laptop: Was it a prepaid T-Mobile SIM card? Nov 11 02:10:36 yep - prepaid, t-mobile. Nov 11 02:11:25 * techiem2-r wishes tmobile covered his area Nov 11 02:14:08 mwester-laptop: So I'm new to this whole thing... the SIM card came with a phone number and you didn't giev T-Mobile any of your personal info to activate it? Nov 11 02:14:21 And what kind of plan is it? In terms of how much you can call and text? Nov 11 02:15:48 You get a card -- you get a number assigned when you activate it. You don't need any personal info of any significance (they asked for an email address I think). Nov 11 02:16:31 In the UK, you need to supply DNA, a retina-print, and a full sexual history to buy one. Nov 11 02:16:47 There are multiple pricing structures, but basically you put in a certain amount of $ every month or three, the more you put in, the more calls or text messages you get, but also the longer it takes before they expire. Nov 11 02:17:07 Seriously - it's just money and no details. Nov 11 02:17:08 That's the catch here -- if you don't use the balance in the prescribed time period, you lose the balance. Nov 11 02:18:17 So in the timeframe where the GTA01 couldn't make calls, I ended up putting the minimum additional $ on every period, just to keep it working -- I had $75+ credit built up before the GTA01 could even place a call. :D Nov 11 02:18:25 mwester-laptop: /me have a something similar, prices per minute/sms goes up 1 month after refilling Nov 11 02:19:28 No data plans on the simple pay-as-you-go plan, though. :( Nov 11 02:20:04 At least UK is slightly less screwy (t-mobile) no timeout of balance, and 1 pound/day cap on data fee. Nov 11 02:21:01 mwester-laptop: "no data plan" as in you can't use data or just insane price Nov 11 02:21:20 I can't use data - I have to change to a different plan. Nov 11 02:23:16 You have to switch to a monthly plan, a pre-paid monthly plan ---- and that makes no sense at all, financially (the only folks that would do that would be the ones forced to do it, because it's a rip-off) Nov 11 02:23:26 hehe Nov 11 02:23:39 I can use data on GoPhone prepaid...at $.02/KB Nov 11 02:23:44 lol Nov 11 02:23:50 * mwester-laptop computes that per MB Nov 11 02:23:53 Gack! Nov 11 02:23:55 haven't actually tried... Nov 11 02:26:22 course, you can add in data for like $20/month Nov 11 02:26:34 or something Nov 11 02:26:38 *shrug* Nov 11 02:26:40 wifi ftw Nov 11 02:26:41 hehe Nov 11 02:38:22 just get the monthly plan an share with someone if money is an issue Nov 11 02:51:12 Is openmoko running a full blown xorg server? Nov 11 02:53:18 Devnn: yes Nov 11 02:54:09 Devnn: the wiki mainpage says "The Openmoko stack, which includes a full X server [...]" Nov 11 02:55:55 I read the wiki, yet full X server can be ambigious as in 'full support' or actually full package. There's a tiny X server branch in the xorg source which I'd like to know more about. That could also provide the 'full X server' as opposed to a framebuffer layer. Nov 11 02:56:38 Do you know what the footprint of the X server alone is? Nov 11 02:56:56 no **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 11 02:59:57 2008