**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 24 02:59:57 2008
Nov 24 03:06:24 <slaxxin> the debian installer restarted atleast 7 times but has started installing on that flash card that was borked
Nov 24 03:06:34 <slaxxin> yay
Nov 24 03:48:14 <slaxxin> doom for debian
Nov 24 04:06:10 <slaxxin> anybody have the latest debian?
Nov 24 04:20:14 <Dave> :o
Nov 24 04:23:55 <slaxxin> when using vfat as filesystem for the first microSD card
Nov 24 04:23:55 <slaxxin>    partition, you should manully install the kernel, since dpkg
Nov 24 04:23:55 <slaxxin>    does not support non-POSIX filesystems:
Nov 24 04:23:55 <slaxxin>      http://bugs.debian.org/bug=315493
Nov 24 04:23:59 <Dave> nice
Nov 24 04:24:21 <slaxxin> spammage
Nov 24 05:46:59 <ajuonline> alephnull: 
Nov 24 05:47:10 <alephnull> Yes ?
Nov 24 05:47:24 <ajuonline> i am in bangalore :)
Nov 24 05:48:56 <alephnull> There was no response to my post on the list. I might not go after all.
Nov 24 05:49:15 <ajuonline> alephnull: but theres you me and f3ew 
Nov 24 05:49:32 <ajuonline> and harald is already downstairs :P in the same hotel
Nov 24 05:49:34 <ajuonline> i am in
Nov 24 05:49:41 * f3ew lands today evening
Nov 24 05:50:41 <alephnull> In that case, I am in too. I thought you guys weren't interested. I didn't get an reply from Harald either ...
Nov 24 05:51:27 <ajuonline> alephnull: harald might of course be busy
Nov 24 05:51:32 <ajuonline> but we can pull him in ;)
Nov 24 05:51:33 <f3ew> Oh, I confirmed in IRC, doing the whole double confirmation thing makes no sense
Nov 24 05:51:44 <f3ew> We catch him when he is free
Nov 24 05:52:06 <ajuonline> right
Nov 24 05:52:44 <alephnull> I don't have enough free time to come on all the days. How does wed (26th) sound ?
Nov 24 05:53:19 <ajuonline> alephnull: i have my workout that day
Nov 24 05:53:48 <alephnull> Ok, which day then ?
Nov 24 05:53:54 <ajuonline> and i might have to leave early that day as wel.
Nov 24 05:53:58 <ajuonline> make it the next day?
Nov 24 05:54:09 <alephnull> Thu (27th) ?
Nov 24 05:54:17 <f3ew> Fine by me
Nov 24 05:54:26 <f3ew> I am there till Saturday lunch
Nov 24 05:55:02 <ajuonline> ok
Nov 24 05:55:12 <ajuonline> thursday it is then
Nov 24 05:55:23 * ajuonline rechecks schedule to confirm
Nov 24 05:55:26 <alephnull> It's a date then. Thu 27th. 
Nov 24 06:01:49 <slaxxin> We are having an internal debate regarding the release now, so there is not much I can say about this at the moment.
Nov 24 06:09:41 <rooly> hello peoples
Nov 24 06:09:52 <rooly> mwester, where is that page of yours with all the kernels?
Nov 24 06:12:21 <alephnull> f3ew: How will we find you ?
Nov 24 06:13:40 <ajuonline> alephnull: the one who's an odd one out
Nov 24 06:13:41 <ajuonline> :P
Nov 24 06:13:50 <ajuonline> we can always make out who f3ew is in the crowd :D
Nov 24 06:13:52 * ajuonline runs
Nov 24 06:49:55 <alephnull> ajuonline: ok
Nov 24 07:27:50 <f3ew> alephnull, just ask
Nov 24 07:27:54 * f3ew is fairly well known
Nov 24 07:44:15 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tick * r4818 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
Nov 24 07:44:15 <CIA-51> openmoko: opkg: add a simple way to pass a path environment for pre/post scription execution when in offline mode.
Nov 24 07:44:15 <CIA-51> openmoko: Thanks for Christopher Hall <hsw@openmoko.com>
Nov 24 07:58:03 <elserpiente> peace
Nov 24 08:01:25 <rooly> christ
Nov 24 08:01:30 <rooly> why did they ever leave 2007.2?
Nov 24 08:05:55 <SpeedEvil> AIUI because someone thought ASU would be magic, and fix everything.
Nov 24 08:06:05 <rooly> i know, i know
Nov 24 08:06:35 <rooly> i betcha they watched the video blog of the guy wo titled it "openmoko train wreck"
Nov 24 08:06:37 <rooly> ...
Nov 24 08:06:51 <rooly> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk&NR=1
Nov 24 08:07:12 <rooly> seriously, i'd like to kill somebody after watching someone make such a mockery of the human race
Nov 24 08:07:47 <rooly> iphone != competitor to freerunner...
Nov 24 08:09:19 <rooly> power button ... equivalent of iphone menu button... right
Nov 24 08:10:31 <zash> Lets se you open a terminal on nonjailraped iphone ;)
Nov 24 08:12:27 <rooly> woo
Nov 24 08:12:45 <rooly> okay, lets see how 2007.2 works with an upgraded kernel and suspend stack
Nov 24 08:13:06 <Dave> :D!
Nov 24 08:13:07 <Dave> yay
Nov 24 08:13:22 <ajuonline> can i use the FR as a gsm modem connected to my PC ?
Nov 24 08:13:29 <rooly> you sure can
Nov 24 08:13:30 <ajuonline> and access it using AT commands et al?
Nov 24 08:13:35 <rooly> its called tethering
Nov 24 08:13:38 <rooly> look it up in the wiki
Nov 24 08:13:39 <ajuonline> ok
Nov 24 08:13:42 <elserpiente> ajuonline : i use 
Nov 24 08:13:42 <ajuonline> thanks :)
Nov 24 08:13:44 <elserpiente> :)
Nov 24 08:14:22 <rooly> well
Nov 24 08:14:25 <rooly> its not perfect
Nov 24 08:14:29 <rooly> but it suits my needs
Nov 24 08:14:43 * rooly is tangenting here, btw
Nov 24 08:15:12 <rooly> maybe i'm the only one, but the PHONE part of 2007.2 just seems to work better
Nov 24 08:15:30 <rooly> more consistent in operation, less crashing, etc
Nov 24 08:15:35 <rooly> dunno why
Nov 24 08:15:56 <rooly> okay, now for a stress test on the battery
Nov 24 08:15:57 <rooly> nn
Nov 24 08:17:05 <Dave> yeah :)
Nov 24 08:22:19 <elserpiente> who know quick access to fs of FR from M$?
Nov 24 08:23:22 <rooly> you can use putty's psftp program
Nov 24 08:23:41 <rooly> but alas, i am asleep
Nov 24 08:23:57 * Dave tests rooly's resume functionality
Nov 24 08:25:09 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb688012b25b6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update om-settings to latest.
Nov 24 08:29:13 <elserpiente> hm, it
Nov 24 08:29:33 <elserpiente> difficult use cmnd line to access to fs
Nov 24 08:30:14 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb117986c8ff 10/packages/python/ (python-lightblue_0.3.3.bb python-pybluez_0.14.bb): create python-lightblue bb recipe and update python-pybluez to version 0.14
Nov 24 08:30:15 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * rbda965a6a00f 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: Add python-lightblue 0.33 and python-pybluez 0.14
Nov 24 08:30:49 <elserpiente> running Ubuntu on VM and do access to fs via shell link of mc, but speed too slow :(
Nov 24 08:33:43 <gromez> elserpiente: winscp ?
Nov 24 08:33:58 <elserpiente> url?
Nov 24 08:34:05 <gromez> google
Nov 24 08:34:10 <elserpiente> lol
Nov 24 08:34:26 <elserpiente> will try
Nov 24 08:34:34 <gromez> it shoulb be winscp.sf.net
Nov 24 08:34:46 <gromez> s/shoulb/should/
Nov 24 08:34:46 <apt> gromez meant: it should be winscp.sf.net
Nov 24 08:34:57 <henk> winscp.net afair
Nov 24 08:35:08 <elserpiente> thanks, already found
Nov 24 08:35:16 <elserpiente> going to try
Nov 24 08:37:55 <elserpiente> wow there is far plugin, cool
Nov 24 08:43:02 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * rdcba56a40f80 10/packages/python/python-lightblue_0.3.3.bb: remove libopenobex dependency in python-lightblue recipe
Nov 24 08:44:12 <elserpiente> cool, i'm inside 
Nov 24 08:44:19 <elserpiente> thanks, guys
Nov 24 08:46:26 <elserpiente> 0.o speed 60 KBps, is it normal? Guess access via wifi will be much faster
Nov 24 08:48:26 <SpeedEvil> scp over usb should hit 500k/s+
Nov 24 08:50:51 <elserpiente> actually i copy file to mounted SDHC, but just tried copy file to root dir, the speed is 150KBps
Nov 24 08:51:31 <henk> 1.5MBit / 8 = x
Nov 24 08:51:40 * SpeedEvil would check his benchmarks, but is having not booting problems. (though I have a neo1973)
Nov 24 08:52:03 <elserpiente> !math 1.5*1024/8.0
Nov 24 08:52:33 <elserpiente> result 192
Nov 24 08:53:50 <henk> so 150 is close to the maximum speed possible with usb 1.1
Nov 24 08:53:59 <elserpiente> i see
Nov 24 08:54:33 <elserpiente> hm, is access via wifi should be faster?
Nov 24 08:54:49 <zash> ~50 Mbps?
Nov 24 08:54:52 <zash> or what is it
Nov 24 08:54:55 <henk> possible
Nov 24 08:55:56 <zash> wiki says b/g
Nov 24 08:56:43 <zash> and g is supposed to be 54Mbps
Nov 24 08:57:45 <elserpiente> is FSO have wifi gui apps?
Nov 24 09:04:45 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rd10a69e11287 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Made TCP address configurable
Nov 24 09:07:43 <KenSentMe> Does anyone if there are new Android images available? It seems like Sean McNeil's aren't atm.
Nov 24 09:17:26 <kd8ikt> last i checked it wasnt very usable anyway
Nov 24 09:17:30 <kd8ikt> yet
Nov 24 09:18:49 <KenSentMe> kd8ikt, i know, but i want it for testing purposes
Nov 24 09:20:17 <Hopscotch> good morning
Nov 24 09:35:31 <ajuonline> elserpiente: do you use your pc to access the FR as a modem?
Nov 24 10:04:55 <xMDKx> morning
Nov 24 10:36:49 <mokel1> how can i use pthreads in c for openmoko? i get always: undefined reference to `pthread_create'
Nov 24 10:40:26 <lindi-> mokel1: just like on your PC
Nov 24 10:40:32 <lindi-> mokel1: -lpthread
Nov 24 10:40:41 <max_posedon> mokel1, -lpthreads?
Nov 24 10:40:42 <mokel1> but how to integrate  in the makefile
Nov 24 10:40:50 <mokel1> i used the sample project
Nov 24 10:41:03 <lindi-> some openmoko specific?
Nov 24 10:41:14 <max_posedon> LDFLAGS=-lpthread
Nov 24 10:41:22 <mokel1> ok, thanks
Nov 24 10:41:43 <max_posedon> (if you use "classic" Makefile structure of course)
Nov 24 10:50:29 <frojnd> Hum. Is there a way to get openmoko chipper than it's original prise ?
Nov 24 10:50:35 <frojnd> I'm out of money :S
Nov 24 10:50:55 <Lijian> buy a secondhand one.
Nov 24 10:51:18 <frojnd> And since I just love learning c++ I'd like to participate for OM..
Nov 24 10:51:56 <Lijian> This is not a  openmoko shop,maybe.
Nov 24 10:52:27 <frojnd> Lijian: where can I buy a secondhand one
Nov 24 10:52:47 <frojnd> I suppose it has to be near me. Near Slovenia or at least Austria..
Nov 24 10:53:39 <max_posedon> ebay?) Or you can wait until gta03 will out, and many people will sell theirs gta02)
Nov 24 10:54:17 <frojnd> but gta03 is upgraded hardware ?
Nov 24 10:54:32 <max_posedon> btw, you can just use gta02 emulator, if you want only have practice on programming
Nov 24 10:54:37 <max_posedon> yes.
Nov 24 10:55:13 <frojnd> max_posedon: gta02 emulator :) How does this look. 
Nov 24 10:55:43 <max_posedon> qemu with some specific pathes
Nov 24 10:55:55 <max_posedon> *patches*
Nov 24 10:57:31 <frojnd> max_posedon:   | qemu              | Universal CPU emulator      | package
Nov 24 10:57:45 <frojnd> where do I get patches
Nov 24 10:58:11 <max_posedon> I don't know, check the wiki at openmoko.org.
Nov 24 10:58:18 <lindi-> svn.openmoko.org i think
Nov 24 10:59:17 <Lijian> gta01 was dead :(
Nov 24 11:01:38 <Lijian> However,was the leader.
Nov 24 11:50:25 <Ainulindale> Dave?
Nov 24 12:29:00 <Hire> someone has a link for the android's image?
Nov 24 12:41:15 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r70b9fdd0f86a 10/packages/meta/distro-feed-configs.bb: distro-feed-configs.bb: fix upgrade path from Om2008.9
Nov 24 12:46:40 <mokolade> Hire, the last image from sean_mcneil was broken and removed after a few days
Nov 24 12:47:01 <mokolade> Hire, the image from befora that I uploaded to rapidshare some time ago. You can find it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/164723347/androidfs-20081110.jffs2.html
Nov 24 13:08:23 <Hire> mokolade: how much is old?
Nov 24 13:08:27 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tony_tu * r4819 10/developers/tony_tu/certification/fcc_test/ (111 files in 9 dirs): Openmoko-agpsui2 mod for FCC certification use. Initial check-in for backup.
Nov 24 13:09:29 <Hire> mokolade: and it is possible to test google maps?
Nov 24 13:09:42 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rba210b227e40 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts-openmoko_1.0.bb: initscripts-openmoko_1.0.bb: change to RPROVIDES_${PN}
Nov 24 13:11:24 <mokolade> Hire: Not all functions are workings, such as wifi. So you can not test google maps
Nov 24 13:12:20 <Hire> :/
Nov 24 13:12:50 <Hire> do you know when sean_mcneil release a new image?
Nov 24 13:13:02 <mokolade> The rumors say they are going to release a new beta port of android first week of december. Maybe things start working then.
Nov 24 13:22:19 <mokel1> what dbus commands do i have to send, to register to gsm network?
Nov 24 13:22:52 <mirko-paroli> mokel1: using fso?
Nov 24 13:22:55 <mokel1> yes
Nov 24 13:23:16 <mirko-paroli> mokel1: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials/GSM_python
Nov 24 13:23:38 <mirko-paroli> mokel1: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials/GSM_python#Turning_the_antenna_on to be precise
Nov 24 13:23:45 <mokel1> a, thanks
Nov 24 13:23:57 <mokel1> now i will try this in c ^^
Nov 24 13:24:01 <mirko-paroli> hope it helps ;)
Nov 24 13:24:28 <mokel1> looks good
Nov 24 13:45:33 <root_sh>  а русско язычные есть ?
Nov 24 13:49:08 <wd> черт
Nov 24 13:49:12 <wd> есть же
Nov 24 13:57:46 <b0ib0t2> hi
Nov 24 13:57:52 <b0ib0t2> flashed to the latest qtopia
Nov 24 13:57:54 <b0ib0t2> ^^
Nov 24 13:58:05 <b0ib0t2> gprs doesent work yet tho :(
Nov 24 13:58:21 <b0ib0t2> cant wait till i can tether this bad boy to my laptop
Nov 24 14:39:51 <baba_melone> Hi, any QtExtended users here?
Nov 24 14:40:37 <max_posedon> yep
Nov 24 14:40:39 <henk> yes
Nov 24 14:40:56 <henk> baba_melone: are you doing a statistic?
Nov 24 14:41:03 <mokel1> :)
Nov 24 14:41:14 <mokel1> ok, contra vote: no
Nov 24 14:41:33 <henk> mokel1: he didn't ask 'are you using qte?' ;)
Nov 24 14:41:59 <henk> i'm not using it, i just suspected there is at least one qte user here, so yes is correct 'g'
Nov 24 14:43:17 <baba_melone> are there any feeds for freerunner available yet
Nov 24 14:43:25 <baba_melone> for qtextended
Nov 24 14:46:18 <mokel1> can i turn off gps of the framework? it doesnt work for me and i want to install the original gpsd
Nov 24 14:57:15 <lindi-> mokel1: yes
Nov 24 14:57:22 <mokel1> how?
Nov 24 14:57:35 <mokel1> in frameworkd.conf?
Nov 24 14:58:03 <lindi-> yes, disable = 1
Nov 24 14:58:11 <mokel1> oh, cool, thanks
Nov 24 14:58:44 <mokel1> is there a docu of all options of the framework?
Nov 24 14:59:34 <jonkristian> regarding shr, do i need to reflash for each snapshot, or can i stay up to date with opkg update && opkg upgrade?
Nov 24 14:59:55 <mokel1> jonkristian: i think upgrade ist enough
Nov 24 15:00:15 <jonkristian> is or isn't?
Nov 24 15:00:27 <mokel1> is
Nov 24 15:00:32 <jonkristian> ok
Nov 24 15:00:33 <mokel1> sorry, ist = german is ^^
Nov 24 15:00:36 <lindi-> mokel1: other than the source? ;)
Nov 24 15:00:45 <mokel1> yes
Nov 24 15:00:46 <lindi-> mokel1: it's changing so fast that the documentation would be out of date anyway
Nov 24 15:00:49 <mokel1> mmh
Nov 24 15:00:51 <mokel1> not good
Nov 24 15:01:39 <b0ib0t2> i'm using qtextended
Nov 24 15:01:41 <jonkristian> how is music playback on android, anybody know?
Nov 24 15:01:52 <b0ib0t2> just flashed it on last night
Nov 24 15:01:59 <b0ib0t2> was a toss up between debian and qte
Nov 24 15:01:59 <jonkristian> ouch, fdisk segfault:/
Nov 24 15:02:32 <b0ib0t2> who uses deb?
Nov 24 15:02:46 <lindi-> b0ib0t2: i use debian
Nov 24 15:03:26 <henk> i flashed hackable (debian-based) on mine yesterday... but i'll probably just use debian too.
Nov 24 15:04:15 <lindi-> my biggest issue right now is that wlan is not stable, no distro is going to help with that :/
Nov 24 15:05:10 <Weiss> lindi-: big improvements in that area on their way with the new kernel i think..
Nov 24 15:05:40 <lindi-> Weiss: with the vanilla sdio stack?
Nov 24 15:06:24 <Weiss> yeah
Nov 24 15:06:51 <lindi-> Weiss: ok, then i probably should start experimenting with it
Nov 24 15:06:52 <Weiss> or maybe the stability isn't affected.. i don't really know
Nov 24 15:06:58 <lindi-> ah, have you used it?
Nov 24 15:07:11 <Weiss> not yet - i'm going to start playing soon though
Nov 24 15:13:16 <b0ib0t2> lindi-, how do you feel qte and debian compare?
Nov 24 15:26:37 <jonkristian> mokolade: you are using android?
Nov 24 15:28:38 <lindi-> b0ib0t2: have not used qte
Nov 24 15:28:45 <mokolade> jonkristian: no, it's not yet fully functional on the freerunner. besides, google is evil, so I'll probably never use it :)
Nov 24 15:29:04 <jonkristian> mokolade: why is google evil?
Nov 24 15:29:05 <b0ib0t2> google is evil I agree
Nov 24 15:29:11 <rooly> qte is slowly creeping up to the quality of 2007.2
Nov 24 15:29:26 <b0ib0t2> i was excited to see qte had a browser
Nov 24 15:29:26 <rooly> aside from the sim read/write capability at least
Nov 24 15:29:39 <mokolade> jonkristian: well, thats just my opinion ;)
Nov 24 15:29:40 <rooly> b0ib0t2: it looks like your standard phone browser
Nov 24 15:29:47 <jonkristian> are there newer images than qte 4.4.2 ?
Nov 24 15:30:01 <b0ib0t2> however, if i set gprs to always on, qte locks up, just as qt did back in the day
Nov 24 15:30:03 <rooly> no, thats the newest
Nov 24 15:32:04 <jonkristian> i wish audio playback on shr would be as good as in fso
Nov 24 15:32:32 * rooly still touts the 2007.2
Nov 24 15:32:44 <rooly> i've got a copy still if anyone wants it
Nov 24 15:32:49 <jonkristian> rooly: i want
Nov 24 15:32:53 <rooly> i'll put it up
Nov 24 15:32:57 <jonkristian> cool
Nov 24 15:33:13 <jonkristian> Haven't tested 2007.2 since when i first got the fr
Nov 24 15:33:27 <b0ib0t2> rooly: url?
Nov 24 15:34:03 <rooly> working
Nov 24 15:39:10 <rooly> it will be here: http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/rooly/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 i'll tell you when its done
Nov 24 15:40:46 <rooly> its more accurately the 2007.11 image that still uses gtk
Nov 24 15:41:00 <rooly> you'll need to upgrade your kernel and modules from mwester's site
Nov 24 15:41:18 <jonkristian> ok, latest kernel and modules from mwester?
Nov 24 15:41:23 <rooly> yes
Nov 24 15:41:34 <rooly> suspend/resume works beautifully
Nov 24 15:41:50 <rooly> the first time, it may go a little slow tho
Nov 24 15:42:25 <rooly> you'll have to setup the repositories on your own tho
Nov 24 15:44:41 <b0ib0t2> irrlicht?
Nov 24 15:44:45 <b0ib0t2> you a 3d coder?
Nov 24 15:44:49 <jonkristian> done?
Nov 24 15:45:03 <rooly> game programmer / almost, about 3 minutes
Nov 24 15:45:20 <b0ib0t2> same here, game programmer
Nov 24 15:45:45 <b0ib0t2> not professionaly..
Nov 24 15:46:11 <rooly> not professionally either, but only because i'm in school for some reason
Nov 24 15:46:21 <Zorkman> make us a cool racegame with acceleromters then :)
Nov 24 15:46:27 <rooly> i was considering it
Nov 24 15:46:40 <Zorkman> stop considering ;)
Nov 24 15:46:45 <rooly> i still need to get irrlicht working better on the FR
Nov 24 15:48:00 <rooly> ntm, i'd probably be shunned from package deployment since i don't agree with the project leads that 2007.x was the best version
Nov 24 15:48:13 <rooly> done
Nov 24 15:48:14 <rooly> http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/rooly/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Nov 24 15:48:54 <rooly> gotta go
Nov 24 15:50:07 <b0ib0t2> HA! I wont believe irrlicht runs on FR till I see it
Nov 24 15:50:13 <b0ib0t2> I call BS
Nov 24 15:52:46 <b0ib0t2> unless the whitepapers were released for the gpu in the FR and I didnt hear about it, Irrlicht will not run on FR
Nov 24 15:54:12 <Weiss> b0ib0t2: you're aware of the community project to work on OpenGL drivers for Glamo?
Nov 24 15:54:42 <Weiss> the documentation is being released under NDA to the community members involved
Nov 24 16:01:05 <prjktdtnt> Weiss: lets hope something comes of it too!
Nov 24 16:01:27 <Zorkman> indeed
Nov 24 16:01:35 <Weiss> yeah
Nov 24 16:01:55 <Weiss> at the very least, there'll be community documentation available like what was originally promised (but noone at OM had time to do themselves)
Nov 24 16:02:03 <prjktdtnt> now if we do get better drivers theoretically the 2D would run faster too correct?
Nov 24 16:02:38 <Pyrasi> hi all
Nov 24 16:02:43 <jonkristian> holla
Nov 24 16:02:48 <Weiss> 2D stuff is already accelerated "as much as possible" (see some of Raster's posts on OM-Community for details)
Nov 24 16:02:48 <prjktdtnt> hello Pyrasi
Nov 24 16:03:08 <Zorkman> Weiss: but what is causing the slow scrolling???
Nov 24 16:03:11 <prjktdtnt> Weiss: gotta catch up on the om-com list, have a few hundred threads in my mailbox i need to read lol
Nov 24 16:03:22 <Weiss> but i think a good way to go could be to use OpenGL at quite a low level for major parts of the UI - making the GPU really *work* for us
Nov 24 16:03:31 <DocScrutinizer> Dave: booooh :-O
Nov 24 16:03:54 <Weiss> Zorkman: of what in particular? Raster said that EFL does a complete redraw for some scrolling for various reasons
Nov 24 16:03:56 <prjktdtnt> Weiss: would be nice to see some replacement apps for the QT apps that are in OM200x
Nov 24 16:04:31 <Weiss> the disadvantage is that 3D acceleration only works with a smaller framebuffer :(
Nov 24 16:04:58 <prjktdtnt> i stopped using it because the buzzing noise has become worse over the past few updates and because text messaging SUCKS with the current messaging app, since i have no programming knowledge and there aren't any actual bugs I'm seeing I just have to wait and test stuff when it becomes available
Nov 24 16:05:02 <Weiss> so we're basically limited to QVGA (the resolution will go higher, but then it won't scale nicely onto the LCD)
Nov 24 16:05:09 <Pyrasi> so I have debian installed on my GTA02 right now, and installed enlightenment for it yesterday...and it seems very nice and responsive, but I have noticed that all gtk applications look terrible when running e....is there something i can change to fix this?  When i was just using x w/ fbpanel everything looked fine...
Nov 24 16:05:27 <Zorkman> i can live with qvga games :)
Nov 24 16:06:29 <Weiss> Pyrasi: terrible in what way? i found i had to play with theming a little (in OM-testing)
Nov 24 16:06:55 <Weiss> Zorkman: could you live with QVGA *everything*? i've been wondering if perhaps that's the way to do, to get major acceleration *everywhere*
Nov 24 16:07:16 <Weiss> way to go*
Nov 24 16:07:33 <Weiss> i.e. doing all the icons as textured quads and making them fly around the screen
Nov 24 16:08:16 <Zorkman> Weiss: android and qt can have nice graphics with very decent speed
Nov 24 16:08:25 <Zorkman> why would we need to lower resolution to do the same?
Nov 24 16:08:41 <Weiss> to do it all with 3D prettiness :)
Nov 24 16:09:04 <Zorkman> for the the basic UI 3d will be overkill i thinkg
Nov 24 16:09:11 <SpeedEvil> 4D - it's the way of the future.
Nov 24 16:09:14 <Pyrasi> Weiss:  Well, i can play with the themes and get the font size down to a resonable size, but the image buttons are still much too large, and it seems like with any gtk app, the screen doesnt refresh correctly....(for instance, if i click i drop down menu in gVim, the menu stays drawn on the screen even after it should be gone....it seems the screen stays drawn as the menu until something else writes over that area.
Nov 24 16:09:15 <Zorkman> we have to think about batterly life
Nov 24 16:09:44 <prjktdtnt> Zorkman: android looked nice until a message with the dim effect pops up, looks like crap cause it constantly redraws the entire effect, if we had decent glamo drivers I have a feeling that wouldn't happen
Nov 24 16:10:17 <Weiss> Pyrasi: could you check which version of GTK you're using? sounds like bug 1946: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1946
Nov 24 16:10:37 <Pyrasi> has anyone actually been picked to be signed under the glamo NDA btw?
Nov 24 16:11:01 <Weiss> Pyrasi: yes, all the people who expressed an interest in helping have been sent it
Nov 24 16:11:23 <Pyrasi> oh awesome
Nov 24 16:11:44 <prjktdtnt> Anyone in here running FSO M4 right now?
Nov 24 16:11:46 <Pyrasi> Thanks Weiss, that does sound like what I was looking for....ill test it out
Nov 24 16:12:08 <jonkristian> debian can only run from sdcard, right?
Nov 24 16:12:10 <Pyrasi> prjktdtnt: Im running it in debian
Nov 24 16:12:28 <prjktdtnt> Pyrasi: how has SMS been working for you? I had problems with M3 not sending SMS
Nov 24 16:12:44 <prjktdtnt> also I couldn't delete voicemail messages because the keyboard didn't send the keypress tones
Nov 24 16:12:58 <prjktdtnt> so I wanted to wait to try M4 until I knew it would do those two things
Nov 24 16:13:15 <prjktdtnt> otherwise OM2008.x works for the most part
Nov 24 16:13:25 <Zorkman> try shr
Nov 24 16:13:31 <Ohmu_> Does anyone have any idea how many free runners were produced?
Nov 24 16:13:34 <Pyrasi> FSO works fine for it....seems to send the messages and alert on a send ...however zhone doesnt pick up the dbus call correctly i think and doesnt actually show you the new message until its restarted
Nov 24 16:14:04 <prjktdtnt> Pyrasi: Don't think I want to put up with 3 minute restart each time I get an SMS, I do a LOT of texting
Nov 24 16:14:04 <SpeedEvil> Ohmu_: My guess is 37874873847
Nov 24 16:14:14 <Weiss> Pyrasi: if it does look like that bug (i.e. your GTK is later that 2.10.14 and the symptoms are right), could you add a comment to that bug, and maybe file a Debian report pointing at that one and the upstream GTK report as well? i didn't realise it affected Debian as well, and it might help raise awareness amongst the GTK people
Nov 24 16:14:17 <SpeedEvil> Ohmu_: between that and 3 anyway.
Nov 24 16:14:19 <Ohmu_> SpeedEvil, that seems rather a lot
Nov 24 16:14:33 <prjktdtnt> Zorkman: it booted to an enlightenment desktop with no apps would run, maybe i had the wrong image, not sure
Nov 24 16:14:42 <prjktdtnt> ended up using 2008.x again
Nov 24 16:15:06 <Pyrasi> Weiss:  Will do.  Like i said, its interesting that it didnt affect me until i was running enlightenment.  I'm not sure why e is affecting gtk.
Nov 24 16:15:34 <Pyrasi> prjktdtnt:  Just restart zhone, not the whole freerunner
Nov 24 16:15:48 <Weiss> Pyrasi: that's very interesting. i had a suspicion that it was due to an interaction of the WM with GTK... (configure events not received as expected)
Nov 24 16:16:00 <prjktdtnt> Pyrasi: what about when I'm out and about, would get old quickly
Nov 24 16:16:10 <prjktdtnt> if i'm at my computer where i can just do it through SSH it isn't so bad
Nov 24 16:16:38 <Pyrasi> prjktdtnt:  Yea, i would just stick with 2008.x for now if you text alot
Nov 24 16:17:03 <Zorkman> anybody else using SHR and starling? it segfaults on me now
Nov 24 16:17:13 <prjktdtnt> Pyrasi: I just use my POS samsung t409 right now because the buzzing issue is so bad that my friends say it is impossible to hear me over voice on the OM
Nov 24 16:18:08 <Pyrasi> well on FSO the calls sound great.  I would suggest trying it out at least just to see what you think on the calls.
Nov 24 16:18:28 <prjktdtnt> Pyrasi: isn't there alternate front ends being made for FSO now (tichy and such)?
Nov 24 16:19:27 <Pyrasi> prfktdtnt:  Yea, thats why the zhone bugs arent top priority i believe.  I think tichy is supposed to have some kind of release this week (I think i read that somewhere on the lists)
Nov 24 16:20:06 <prjktdtnt> Pyrasi: I usually would have known but I'm so far behind on the lists it's not even funny lol
Nov 24 16:20:25 <prjktdtnt> 261 unread threads in my inbox that i use to watch the lists
Nov 24 16:20:34 <Zorkman> Pyrasi: do you know if they are going to use tichy on SHR also?
Nov 24 16:20:47 <prjktdtnt> also would it be better to flash -stable or -testing?
Nov 24 16:21:13 <bumbl> is it save to flash today's qi build?
Nov 24 16:21:26 <Pyrasi> Zorkman:  No idea....id imagine eventually it will be available for all distros and you could use it as you choose....err...at least all FSO based distros =P
Nov 24 16:24:43 <Pyrasi> Weiss:  If it helps, I should have the latest gtk version I'd assume (I cant check for sure right now, but I apt-get upgrade pretty regularly.....so if its in the debian-arm repos I probably have it)  I'll check for sure when I get home
Nov 24 16:25:57 <Weiss> Pyrasi: no problem (apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0 | grep Version)
Nov 24 16:26:17 <Weiss> Pyrasi: i'm most interested that it started when you changed window manager
Nov 24 16:26:51 <Pyrasi> Weiss:  Also, when the gtk apps were working correctly I was using matchbox as my wm.
Nov 24 16:30:44 <Weiss> Pyrasi: hmm.. i'll have to do some further poking about with that in mind...
Nov 24 16:45:02 <prjktdtnt> Is tichy actually running on the FSO again or is it still affected by the python-pygame bug that stopped it from running on M3?
Nov 24 17:09:10 <bumbl> hi
Nov 24 17:09:36 <bumbl> I want to flash latest qi on gta 02 [   ] qi-s3c2410-andy_28eb5ac9c9426e5f.udfu                                23-Nov-2008 21:49   25K  
Nov 24 17:09:53 <bumbl> qi-s3c2442-andy which one should I take
Nov 24 17:10:01 <bumbl> both show up when i grep dmesg
Nov 24 17:11:53 <mwester> neither?
Nov 24 17:12:04 <bumbl> mwester: ?
Nov 24 17:12:16 <mwester> What do you hope to get that would be worth the risk?
Nov 24 17:12:35 <bumbl> mwester: what risk? I still have NOR
Nov 24 17:12:53 <bumbl> correct me if I am wrong
Nov 24 17:13:00 <Zorkman> bumbl:
Nov 24 17:13:02 <rooly> so
Nov 24 17:13:13 <Zorkman> there is one for gta03 and one for gta02
Nov 24 17:13:26 <Zorkman> s3c2410 is gta02 i think, yoiu should check
Nov 24 17:13:27 <bumbl> but to brick the freerunner one would need to flash nor uboot which is only possible with a debug board
Nov 24 17:13:39 <bumbl> Zorkman: there are three in the directory
Nov 24 17:13:49 <bumbl> I haven't posted the one for gta03
Nov 24 17:13:57 <SpeedEvil> I _vaguely_ remember that 02 is 2440
Nov 24 17:14:08 <SpeedEvil> but you should check that with someone with a clue.
Nov 24 17:14:11 <bumbl> that would be s3c6410
Nov 24 17:14:24 <SpeedEvil> bumbl: that's 04
Nov 24 17:14:25 <mwester> bumbl:  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-November/006793.html   <----- you best read this thread all the way through before you do that.
Nov 24 17:14:34 <SpeedEvil> bumbl: 04 is some time out.
Nov 24 17:14:34 <Zorkman>  s3c2410 s freerunner
Nov 24 17:14:45 <mwester> 2410 is neo
Nov 24 17:14:46 <Zorkman>  s3c2410 is neo 1973 i mean
Nov 24 17:14:53 <mwester> 2442 would be fr
Nov 24 17:15:08 <mwester> gta03 is 64xx or somthing.
Nov 24 17:15:16 <Zorkman> s3c2442 is the neo freerunner
Nov 24 17:15:38 <mwester> But I still wonder why one would flash qi just yet -- what would make it worth the risk?
Nov 24 17:15:55 <Zorkman> mwester: not really a risk, is there?
Nov 24 17:16:08 <Zorkman> bumbl hasn't got a debug board so he can't brick something
Nov 24 17:16:08 <mwester> Zorkman:  did you read that URL I posted?
Nov 24 17:16:14 <jonkristian> flashing is always a risk, isn't it?
Nov 24 17:16:17 <Zorkman> no, i will do it now
Nov 24 17:17:25 <bumbl> mwester: faster booting time, successful, enthusiastic reports, testing
Nov 24 17:17:32 <bumbl> anyway: Only switching battery, charger & usb-connection numerous
Nov 24 17:17:32 <bumbl> > | times and trying again yielded two successful NOR bootmenus in about 80
Nov 24 17:17:32 <bumbl> > | tries, the second of which I gladly took to reflash U-boot.
Nov 24 17:17:55 <mwester> In theory, it should be recoverable.  In practice, the community has observed a lot of cases where the FR has problems with the PMU that render it exceedingly difficult to recover.   That thread is rather concerning, and I won't flash qi until someone has a reasonable explanation for what happened to that device in the thread, and how to avoid it in the future.
Nov 24 17:18:03 <bumbl> this happens quit often when I 
Nov 24 17:18:16 <bumbl> don't use the freerunner for some days
Nov 24 17:18:26 <bumbl> battery 100% charged
Nov 24 17:18:36 <mwester> bumbl:  Yep, it's good he recovered.   But an hour of fighting with cables and battery to get to NOR?  No, something is very very wrong.
Nov 24 17:18:49 <bumbl> mwester: as I said
Nov 24 17:18:57 <bumbl> I have all this trouble with uboot too
Nov 24 17:19:05 <Zorkman> very strange...
Nov 24 17:19:08 <bumbl> maybe not 80 times
Nov 24 17:19:12 <bumbl> but 15min
Nov 24 17:19:15 <bumbl> of trying
Nov 24 17:19:16 <Zorkman> is there a way you could check your nor uboot?
Nov 24 17:19:18 <bumbl> are enough too
Nov 24 17:19:24 <Zorkman> like equivalent of a md5 checksum
Nov 24 17:20:01 <mwester> But go ahead -- I'm just curious as to what "pot of gold" lies at the end of the rainbow, that would encourage someone to take such a risk.  There's really no benefit to qi at this point, except that it boots faster, and I guess if the risk is worth a few seconds of boot time, then it's a good thing for those folks. :)
Nov 24 17:31:17 <Dave> hehe
Nov 24 17:31:25 <jonkristian> Dave...
Nov 24 17:31:30 <Dave> :D
Nov 24 17:31:37 <jonkristian> \o/
Nov 24 17:32:05 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * re6a0ac0f4f1c 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: task-base.bb: pump for DISTRO_FEATURES
Nov 24 17:32:05 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb9936e7cec30 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state.bb: really update INITSCRIPT_PARAMS during upgrade.
Nov 24 17:32:06 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r7509076dda84 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-nodm-init.bb: xserver-nodm-init.bb: really update INITSCRIPT_PARAMS during upgrade.
Nov 24 17:32:06 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rd212874f5ceb 10/packages/opkg/opkg_svn.bb: opkg_svn.bb: use the new configure script during upgrade
Nov 24 17:32:25 <Dave> wow, a bunch of the shr apps don't work at all
Nov 24 17:32:31 <Dave> (that come with it)
Nov 24 17:32:40 <jonkristian> :/
Nov 24 17:32:54 <Dave> Yeah, that's rather discouraging, especially to the masses.
Nov 24 17:33:22 <jonkristian> I switched to 2008.9 , apparently never than 2008.9 at http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/
Nov 24 17:33:44 <jonkristian> I managed to bork my shr again, by adding the angstrom repo, lol
Nov 24 17:34:03 <bumbl> mwester: to me the problem sounds like it has todo with the weird battery problems as I have experienced similar problems (wait ~1h until it can boot) back in the 2007.2 times
Nov 24 17:36:22 <Dave> jonkristian oops ;p
Nov 24 17:36:31 <Dave> try again :)
Nov 24 17:39:10 * bumbl has to get a voltometer
Nov 24 17:39:31 <bumbl> s/voltometer/voltmeter/
Nov 24 17:39:56 <Dave> Bumble, what did you do now? -_-
Nov 24 17:41:04 <bumbl> I either have to buy one or lend it from a friend
Nov 24 17:41:48 <bumbl> Dave: I don't flash qi because I accept that mwester knows more about the thematic although I don't think this problem is Qi related
Nov 24 17:44:28 <Dave> hah
Nov 24 17:44:34 <Dave> ;)
Nov 24 17:44:37 <Dave> told you :D
Nov 24 17:46:10 <bumbl> mwester: would it be save to flash if one owns a debug board (ignore the fact that it might not be worth the work)
Nov 24 17:47:19 <mwester> bumbl:  That I do not know, don't know the problem with the device.  If it is the PMU, then it would be possible (but unlikely I hope) that the SoC would not be powered up enough to even respond to JTAG.
Nov 24 17:47:42 <mwester> It is really hard to imagine how this can happen, 
Nov 24 17:48:27 <mwester> but it seems risky enough that I personally will wait for a few days yet before I'll flash Qi (I do update u-boot rather often, though -- never had a problem.)
Nov 24 17:48:54 <bumbl> but if it's the PMU wouldn't an u-boot update affect it too?
Nov 24 17:53:04 <jonkristian> hrm
Nov 24 17:54:19 <mwester> bumbl:  that's what the discussion on the kernel mailing list is sort of about...
Nov 24 17:55:04 <mwester> There's really no reason for Qi to do anything different than u-boot, it seems -- on the other hand, Andy takes it as a serious concern, so I do to.
Nov 24 17:55:23 <mwester> er, "too" even.
Nov 24 17:58:18 <bumbl> hmm
Nov 24 17:59:24 <bumbl> from only reading this thread I would rather think this is a non problem (although I might be too unexperienced to say) but I'll wait how it develops
Nov 24 18:13:50 <Dave> Mmontour!
Nov 24 18:13:56 <mmontour> Hi Dave
Nov 24 18:14:08 <Dave> Hello :)
Nov 24 18:27:56 <kd8ikt> davapalooza
Nov 24 18:28:04 <Dave> \o/
Nov 24 18:41:39 <Dave> Any ideas where we can obtain these cool new looking SHR themes?
Nov 24 18:41:53 <Dave> Who is responsibly for those neat Blues themes recently posted on scap?
Nov 24 18:49:14 <kd8ikt> w omg windows
Nov 24 18:49:18 <kd8ikt> ew
Nov 24 18:49:53 <kd8ikt> and you like it!?!? :P
Nov 24 18:51:08 <Dave> uhh, no?
Nov 24 18:52:10 <kd8ikt> i just tasted a lil vomit in the back of my throat
Nov 24 18:52:19 <kd8ikt> yuk
Nov 24 18:52:22 <bumbl> mhhmm
Nov 24 18:54:18 <Dave> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5bbdb9dd88f7f31e7c46bc612e5f2830.png
Nov 24 18:54:24 * Dave slaps kd8ikt
Nov 24 18:54:54 <zash> alarm-icon here is teh stylish: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a3a71d601e6d7d3cadbe02f961de86d4.png
Nov 24 18:55:08 <Dave> those kinds of icons and such
Nov 24 18:55:10 <Dave> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=5
Nov 24 18:55:22 <zash> CAN I HAS WIN3.11 THEME NAO?
Nov 24 18:55:28 <Dave> Evidently we can tell that it is one or more germans which are responsible :p
Nov 24 18:55:33 * Dave smashes zash
Nov 24 18:56:39 * zash gets smashed
Nov 24 18:56:48 * zash smashes all over the channel
Nov 24 18:56:50 <Dave> ROFL
Nov 24 18:56:53 <Dave> oh man
Nov 24 18:57:00 <Dave> opkg just keeps getting more hilarious...
Nov 24 18:57:05 <Dave> An error ocurred, return value: -49900.
Nov 24 18:57:24 <Dave> integer overflow anyone?
Nov 24 18:57:31 <Dave> hahaha
Nov 24 19:00:33 <bumbl> aka package not found
Nov 24 19:02:12 <Dave> right
Nov 24 19:02:18 <Dave> so opkg apparently calls that progress?
Nov 24 19:02:25 <Dave> error: -2 is now -49900 ?
Nov 24 19:02:31 <Dave> what the fuck is going on over there?
Nov 24 19:11:41 <kd8ikt> time to put a quarter in the swear jar
Nov 24 19:13:04 <Dave> :P
Nov 24 19:13:23 <Dave> kd8ikt, I thought it would have been more by now. Fucking economy.
Nov 24 19:13:54 <henk> hm in Om-stable: i can't umount /media/card because it's busy. i'm lacking lsof to find out what process is using it. how can i find out?
Nov 24 19:19:49 <dent> hi
Nov 24 19:19:57 <dent> how does one shut down SHR?
Nov 24 19:20:08 <dent> I tried poweroff/reboot/shutdown in terminal
Nov 24 19:20:18 <dent> but w/o success
Nov 24 19:20:33 <gromez> 10s press on PWR button
Nov 24 19:20:41 <henk> dent: try shutdown -h -P now. that worked with SHR and afair also Om2008.9
Nov 24 19:20:48 <dent> henk: thx
Nov 24 19:20:50 <Dave> init 0
Nov 24 19:20:59 <dent> gromez: yeah... thats' somewhat "harsh" power off
Nov 24 19:21:03 <dent> Dave: thX
Nov 24 19:21:03 <Dave> or 6 for reboot
Nov 24 19:21:05 <Dave> :)
Nov 24 19:21:18 <dent> I only tried telinit 1 :) which wasn't exactly what I wanted :)
Nov 24 19:21:23 <Dave> right :P
Nov 24 19:21:52 <dent> btw. otherwise I love SHR ;)
Nov 24 19:22:01 <dent> i.e. I fell in love last night :))
Nov 24 19:23:06 <walkie__> is there any way to set idle time from terminal in  2008.9?
Nov 24 19:24:29 <laen> Meh, bought a 2,5mm jack to 3,5mm plug-in today but can't get stereo sound. Bad el-cheapo plug or did more people get that?
Nov 24 19:25:08 <henk> is there a distribution that does _not_ automatically mount the sd card?
Nov 24 19:26:06 <Dave> laen, I've been using a proprietary one I bought for one of my real phones about a year or so ago, incidentally the poles must match up close enough since it works great with the freerunner :P
Nov 24 19:27:53 <laen> Yeah it looked really cheap on the inside as well. Bought me a usb-plug/usb-plug for connecting a keyboard (just for teh lol) of the same brand as well.. and that one wasn't quite stable either, works though :P
Nov 24 19:28:12 <Dave> :D
Nov 24 19:28:14 <Dave> sweet
Nov 24 19:28:16 <Dave> good deal then :P
Nov 24 19:28:56 <dent> oooh, I managed to have FR keep correct time after reboot :))
Nov 24 19:29:41 <balrog-k1n> dent: what time is it?
Nov 24 19:29:50 <dent> (I had wrong time set, and not knowing how to shut down correctly, the correct time was never set back to FR clock)
Nov 24 19:30:12 <balrog-k1n> 20:28?
Nov 24 19:30:33 <dent> 20:20:35 here :-P
Nov 24 19:30:38 <dent> eee 20:30 :)
Nov 24 19:30:43 <balrog-k1n> then it's not correct :p
Nov 24 19:30:55 <balrog-k1n> 20:30 is closer
Nov 24 19:31:03 <dent> well, I usually keep local_time+5min :))
Nov 24 19:31:10 <dent> but my old time was off by an hour and something
Nov 24 19:31:33 <dent> and setting time + poweroff caused kernel on boot to retrieve the wrong time from the HW
Nov 24 19:31:38 <dent> as the correct time was never set into HW
Nov 24 19:33:36 <dent> ok, *now* I recalled hwclock :)
Nov 24 19:34:06 <Dave> \o/
Nov 24 19:34:19 <Dave> at least it's not like my old laptop
Nov 24 19:34:35 <Dave> the clock drifted more than a ricer in tokyo drift :P
Nov 24 19:34:41 <dent> lol :)
Nov 24 19:34:53 <Dave> Yeah, it was pretty fucked up.
Nov 24 19:35:25 <rustybox> is there a way I can put the illume theme on OM2008.9?
Nov 24 19:35:43 <TAsn> rustybox, i think so.
Nov 24 19:35:52 <TAsn> just copy the theme and add it in 2008.9 ;]
Nov 24 19:36:01 <rustybox> haha... thanks?
Nov 24 19:36:34 <rustybox> nevermind, i found it
Nov 24 19:37:04 <bumbl> dent: hwclock --systohc should do the job
Nov 24 19:37:19 <Dave> yep :)
Nov 24 19:37:35 <Dave> otherwise it'll make you join the british commonwealth everytime you reboot :p
Nov 24 19:37:38 <dent> bumbl: yeah, now I recalled :)
Nov 24 19:37:53 <rustybox> wait... i didn't find it. Anyone know how to get the illume theme on OM2008.x?
Nov 24 19:37:59 <dent> Dave: doesn't sound too bad :))
Nov 24 19:38:02 <bumbl> Dave: where is the problem *me ducks and runs*
Nov 24 19:40:04 <Dave> >:D
Nov 24 19:40:17 <Dave> The time is the world doesn't run on GMT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Nov 24 19:40:30 <Dave> also the fact that having it be 5PM whenever you look down to your phone is retarded.
Nov 24 19:40:33 <SpeedEvil> Dave: we should fix that.
Nov 24 19:40:39 <Dave> Speedevil, agreed.
Nov 24 19:40:53 <Dave> Fix you, is more like it!
Nov 24 19:40:59 * Dave lunges
Nov 24 19:41:04 <SpeedEvil> Dave: please fix me.
Nov 24 19:41:12 * dent is lost
Nov 24 19:41:13 * SpeedEvil is borken.
Nov 24 19:41:15 <Dave> :D
Nov 24 19:41:36 <dent> is there any handling of the timezon as of now, in SHR?
Nov 24 19:41:41 <dent> or it just assumes GMT whatever...
Nov 24 19:41:56 <SpeedEvil> Local solar time is easy to compute.
Nov 24 19:44:02 <dent> ok, I see there's /etc/timezone
Nov 24 19:44:09 <Dave> yeah
Nov 24 19:44:13 <Dave> see if it does something :P
Nov 24 19:44:24 <dent> yeah, I was thinking if it's just laying around :))
Nov 24 19:56:27 <bricod1> Finally. Android sans prop codecs.
Nov 24 19:56:56 <Dave> heh
Nov 24 19:57:53 <bricod1> Dave: It's getting closer.
Nov 24 19:58:32 <Dave> YES
Nov 24 19:58:36 <Dave> This much is clear :)
Nov 24 19:58:53 <Dave> Though a slow process, the result may benefit the wait.
Nov 24 19:59:21 <dent> hm, so even a reboot works, it just needs some time
Nov 24 20:00:45 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r41285305ffd5 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-nodm-init.bb: xserver-nodm-init.bb: fix wrong usage of update-rc.d.bbclass
Nov 24 20:00:45 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r3f6d1d8dd79c 10/packages/alsa/alsa-state.bb: alsa-state.bb: fix wrong usage of update-rc.d.bbclass
Nov 24 20:02:26 <bricod1> Anyone know if the Wifi AP's are scanned with the ath driver or wpa_supplicant in most of the OM distros?
Nov 24 20:13:40 <mmaestri> i've heard that one of the latest shr images resembles a real phone. is that true?
Nov 24 20:14:17 <dent> yes, mostly :)
Nov 24 20:16:37 <TAsn> dent, so I should upgrade? ;] i.e opkg update upgrade?
Nov 24 20:17:20 <dent> TAsn: asking me? I'm just an innocent bystander :)
Nov 24 20:17:36 <dent> but I flashed yesterday and went all "wow"
Nov 24 20:17:36 <TAsn> ok, im doing it.
Nov 24 20:17:38 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 24 20:17:41 <dent> better than vista, for sure :)
Nov 24 20:17:47 <TAsn> dent, hehe ;]
Nov 24 20:17:52 <Sargun> dent, FSO is really hopping.
Nov 24 20:18:03 <TAsn> should I flash the newest fso on my pc as well?
Nov 24 20:18:16 <dent> try to flash than over your bios
Nov 24 20:18:18 <dent> :-P
Nov 24 20:18:27 <dent> s/than/that/
Nov 24 20:18:38 <mmaestri> dent: then if I download & flash the latest image from shr.bearstech .com, i'll be there?
Nov 24 20:18:49 <TAsn> my bios doesn't have an arm chipset
Nov 24 20:18:52 <Sargun> I think the first release of FR was Windows95, crappy but acceptable as it's a huge jump from traditional devices, then we hit Windows ME status because, and now we're hitting Windows XP status.
Nov 24 20:19:01 <Sargun> Hopefully we don't go to Windows Vista
Nov 24 20:19:20 <UndrWater> link to the image we're talking about?
Nov 24 20:19:21 <dent> :))
Nov 24 20:19:27 * UndrWater asks expectantly ;)
Nov 24 20:19:44 <UndrWater> hmmm...respectfully?'
Nov 24 20:19:52 <UndrWater> lurkers come out of the woodwork
Nov 24 20:19:56 <mmaestri> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Nov 24 20:19:59 <bumbl> Sargun: yep I hope we jump vista and go straight to gentoo
Nov 24 20:20:02 <mmaestri> dated today
Nov 24 20:20:08 <dent> :))
Nov 24 20:20:16 <dent> anybody looked into timezones btw?
Nov 24 20:20:24 <Tig|> oooo there are updates today?   time for opkg uprgade :) 
Nov 24 20:20:25 <dent> I'm little bit looking around that now...
Nov 24 20:20:36 <dent> hehe, how many ppl woke up :)
Nov 24 20:20:52 <dent> you have highlight for "update" and "flash" I guess :)
Nov 24 20:21:23 <UndrWater> updating my zaurus today too :) finally have a working kernel
Nov 24 20:22:49 <jonkristian> what kernel is good to use with shr? the one in that repo? uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin , or mwester's maybe?
Nov 24 20:23:25 <Sargun> bumbl, I run Gentoo.
Nov 24 20:24:20 <Sargun> I was thinking of running Gentoo on my FR, but last time I installed Gentoo on a MicroSD card, it was slower than Bush's mind, and went bad within a few hours. 
Nov 24 20:26:30 <mmaestri> jonkristian: don't know. I'm using a 17nov dated kernel from freesmartphone.org, testing branch, and it works well
Nov 24 20:28:15 <bumbl> Sargun: slower than Mr. Bush's mind ... that's not hard. I think Bush is quite smart. He got really rich during his presidency
Nov 24 20:28:15 <UndrWater> looks like that's the latest kernel
Nov 24 20:29:04 <Sargun> bumbl, he was already quite rich. 
Nov 24 20:29:12 <bumbl> Sargun: I know
Nov 24 20:29:47 <jonkristian> It doesn't matter how slow your mind is, if you cant sp-sp-sp-sp-sp-eeeee-ak it.
Nov 24 20:29:49 <bumbl> but he "optimised" his gain and the gain of his friends
Nov 24 20:46:06 <Gast_826_> jojo
Nov 24 20:52:16 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rae6d54de2c59 10/packages/alsa/alsa-lib_1.0.15.bb: ttf-dejavu_2.23.bb: fix PR, should be "r1" instead of "1"
Nov 24 20:52:16 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c67a359d9e2 10/packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu_2.23.bb: ttf-dejavu_2.23.bb: fix PR, should be "r2" instead of "2"
Nov 24 20:54:19 <rawtatoor> anyone have any idea why my u-boot menu  gets to the point that says "loading kernel" and then the whole thing resets?
Nov 24 20:54:35 <rawtatoor> I'm using qemu btw
Nov 24 20:56:15 <b0ib0t2> qtE here
Nov 24 21:03:09 <jonkristian> wow, http://rafb.net/p/4AieTW18.html
Nov 24 21:03:52 <jonkristian> that looks like something seriously whacky is going on with my distro, happened when i tried to do usb networking.
Nov 24 21:12:52 <spacepluk> hi all
Nov 24 21:13:03 <Tig|> hi spacepluk
Nov 24 21:13:26 <spacepluk> I'm a total newbie and I'm trying to setup a dev/testing environment using qemu
Nov 24 21:14:28 <spacepluk> I'm trying with the images at http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
Nov 24 21:15:41 <bumbl> spacepluk: isn't qemu borked?
Nov 24 21:15:55 <rawtatoor> spacepluk; Using mokomakefile it was as easy as typing `make qemu` -- but for some reason it isn't booting right
Nov 24 21:16:50 <spacepluk> bumbl: borked?? :?
Nov 24 21:17:09 <bumbl> the last time i tried it didn't work
Nov 24 21:17:27 <spacepluk> I can see the U-Boot menu but selecting boot just seems to reboot the VM
Nov 24 21:17:49 <rawtatoor> yeah -- why the hell is it doing that?
Nov 24 21:18:28 <bumbl> anyway bye
Nov 24 21:18:56 <rawtatoor> gee that was helpful
Nov 24 21:19:08 <spacepluk> heheh
Nov 24 21:19:44 <rawtatoor> I guess I'll try it with different images 
Nov 24 21:20:28 <spacepluk> rawtatoor: please, let me know if you make any progress :)
Nov 24 21:20:52 <rawtatoor> sure thing
Nov 24 21:25:24 <mmaestri> i've installed shr at last
Nov 24 21:25:40 <mmaestri> looks nice, but...
Nov 24 21:25:50 <mmaestri> first, that ugly battery icon
Nov 24 21:26:12 <b0ib0t2> workin on a zombie shooter game... i'd looove to port it to the FR... 
Nov 24 21:26:39 <mmaestri> and of course, networking
Nov 24 21:27:02 <Tig|> the battery icon is straight from illume 
Nov 24 21:27:19 <Tig|> personally I don't think it is that bad
Nov 24 21:27:25 <mmaestri> usb networking works, i can ssh my fr, it is broken somehow
Nov 24 21:27:46 <mmaestri> that i cannot see the internet through that connection
Nov 24 21:28:03 <mmaestri> Tig|: i like more the fso battery icon
Nov 24 21:28:09 <toggles_w> mmaestri: ip forwarding on your box?
Nov 24 21:28:13 <mmaestri> but i can live with that
Nov 24 21:28:23 <Tig|> mmaestri: I have it working fine here,  are you sure the problem is not on the box on you are connecting via
Nov 24 21:28:54 <Tig|> or try mofi and connect via wifi,  SHR is the first image where wifi works out the box to a wpa network :) 
Nov 24 21:28:59 <mmaestri> don't know, i've never touched box cfg, and every image i've flashed worked well
Nov 24 21:29:06 <jonkristian> Tig|: only wpa?
Nov 24 21:29:18 <Tig|> well not tested others
Nov 24 21:29:24 <jonkristian> I use wep, and i see that mofi sees it as wpa
Nov 24 21:29:39 <jonkristian> Tig|: are yours working?
Nov 24 21:29:48 <Tig|> only use WPA here, but in the interest of science I may be forced to go down the pub with it  :) 
Nov 24 21:29:54 <Tig|> mine works fine :) 
Nov 24 21:30:08 <jonkristian> Tig|: any special thing you had to do?
Nov 24 21:30:19 <Tig|> nope! just put in the password \o/
Nov 24 21:30:32 <jonkristian> I've never gotten wifi to work, with any image:/ Well, my router saw it one time, but probably just for a second.
Nov 24 21:30:43 <jonkristian> sweet
Nov 24 21:30:55 <Tig|> I did a happy dance :) 
Nov 24 21:31:29 <jonkristian> Im going to try wpa then, but i have to wait until my flatmate's has gone to bed, so i don't ruin their p0rn streamcasts, lol
Nov 24 21:31:39 <Tig|> then clicked on vagalude and it connected to last.fm and I had streaming audio on my FR!
Nov 24 21:32:14 <jonkristian> that is very nice, did you use a passphrase or hex or?
Nov 24 21:32:21 <Tig|> passphrase
Nov 24 21:32:40 <mmaestri> that's my box /etc/network/interfaces config about usb0 : http://www.mibbit.com/pb/WxS4SR 
Nov 24 21:32:47 <UndrWater> mofi is damn slow...cause of py?
Nov 24 21:33:01 <jonkristian> dunno, but it's damn slow here aswell
Nov 24 21:33:15 <Tig|> it is slow but I think it is more that it does not notify you on what it is up to 
Nov 24 21:33:34 <jonkristian> Something like networkmanager would be awesome
Nov 24 21:33:47 <jonkristian> it handles roaming perfectly on my laptop
Nov 24 21:34:00 <jonkristian> and not to mention, automaticly.
Nov 24 21:35:21 <Tig|> mmaestri:   personally the automatic stuff on the wiki for deb/ubuntu has never worked here
Nov 24 21:35:38 <Tig|> try the basic three commands and see if it works
Nov 24 21:35:55 <Tig|> oh and also remember to add a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf
Nov 24 21:38:13 <Tig|> also stand on one leg and point the FR north 
Nov 24 21:39:54 <Tig|> also with todays SHR update after you have updated reboot the phone as there has been a frameworkd update and phone apps will crash until it has been rebooted or it did here
Nov 24 21:40:29 <Tig|> then turn around three times and throw some salt over your shoulder
Nov 24 21:40:36 <mmaestri> ok, ok
Nov 24 21:40:39 <Tig|> right shoulder though
Nov 24 21:40:49 * Tig| is enjoying this wine :) 
Nov 24 21:47:49 <mmaestri> Tig|: where should be the problem if i have usb networking between my laptop and the fr, but i can access internet from it?
Nov 24 21:48:00 <mmaestri> an iptables issue?
Nov 24 21:48:17 <Tig|> you can't access the net from the FR
Nov 24 21:48:19 <mmaestri> i'm following the steps from the wiki
Nov 24 21:48:26 <mmaestri> right
Nov 24 21:48:28 <Tig|> right lets step through this
Nov 24 21:48:45 <Tig|> can you ping your desktop/laptop from the FR
Nov 24 21:49:11 <Tig|> can you ping your router that the desktop/laptop is connected to?
Nov 24 21:49:17 <mmaestri> yes
Nov 24 21:49:25 <Tig|> to both?
Nov 24 21:49:29 <mmaestri> to the first question..
Nov 24 21:49:40 <mmaestri> wait
Nov 24 21:50:05 <mmaestri> from the fr i cannot ping the router
Nov 24 21:50:10 <Tig|> aha!
Nov 24 21:50:26 <Tig|> so there is your block,  what is the OS on the desktop/laptop?
Nov 24 21:50:33 <mmaestri> ubuntu
Nov 24 21:50:43 <Tig|> /etc/init.d/ufw stop
Nov 24 21:50:57 <Tig|> then retry on the FR
Nov 24 21:51:06 * Tig| grumbles about ufw 
Nov 24 21:51:09 <mmaestri> and ufw is...?
Nov 24 21:51:15 <Tig|> uncomplicated firewall
Nov 24 21:51:38 <Tig|> they turned it on a while ago but sometimes its rules get really screwed up
Nov 24 21:51:52 <mmaestri> well i've stopped it
Nov 24 21:52:05 <mmaestri> but is the same
Nov 24 21:52:30 <Tig|> right have you tried the standard default commands from the wiki,  not the ubuntu ones
Nov 24 21:52:38 <mmaestri> yes
Nov 24 21:53:15 <mmaestri> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/d26nnL 
Nov 24 21:53:30 <Tig|> have you actively set up any other network security systems on the desktop/laptop
Nov 24 21:53:36 <mmaestri> nope
Nov 24 21:54:05 <Tig|> erm what is the IP that the desktop/laptop uses to connect to the router
Nov 24 21:54:26 <mmaestri> 192.168.0.101
Nov 24 21:54:38 <mmaestri> the router being 192.168.0.1
Nov 24 21:55:05 <viq> You don't want the same network on the "real" network and FR
Nov 24 21:55:32 <Tig|> can I make a recommendation just to save a world of pain and issues you change the lan range off the 192.168.0.x network
Nov 24 21:55:44 <mmaestri> no i don't, so i use ip addr add 192.168.0.200/28 dev usb0
Nov 24 21:56:19 <viq> mmaestri: do what Tig| suggests
Nov 24 21:56:40 <jonkristian> I seem to be having alot of issues with usb networking and kernel 2.6.27 , my lan isn't 192.x.x.x either
Nov 24 21:56:47 <viq> just change your LAN to for example 192.168.79.0, or whatever else you like
Nov 24 21:57:13 <mmaestri> i'll do it, but cannot understand why it worked before without it
Nov 24 21:57:15 <roh> jonkristian sure you don't have them with older kernels?
Nov 24 21:57:36 <roh> mmaestri order of entrys in the routing table matters when you have overlapping netmasks
Nov 24 21:57:37 <mmaestri> the only thing i did was flash with the shr image
Nov 24 21:57:45 <Tig|> it is one of those technically you can do it because of the subnet you are specifying but I have found it can be a pest 
Nov 24 21:57:53 <jonkristian> roh: well, not 100%, but it's been working like clockwork every time, except lately, i get this, http://rafb.net/p/4AieTW18.html
Nov 24 21:58:50 <UndrWater> hmm...contacts shouldn't crash if sim card is not in phone
Nov 24 21:58:51 <roh> jonkristian yikes...
Nov 24 21:58:54 <mmaestri> ok, i'll try that. thanks Tig| viq & roh 
Nov 24 21:59:03 <jonkristian> roh: indeed
Nov 24 21:59:10 <Tig|> no problem :) 
Nov 24 21:59:14 <jonkristian> that was my initial thought aswell
Nov 24 21:59:17 <roh> jonkristian recent thinkpad? i guess you should investigate if its something 'unrelated' like timers or so
Nov 24 21:59:21 <mmaestri> byeeeeeee
Nov 24 21:59:30 <jonkristian> roh: fairly recent, t61p
Nov 24 21:59:43 <Tig|> UndrWater: I have never got contacts to load without a sim in,  I assumed it was trying to read it
Nov 24 22:00:16 <UndrWater> Tig|: right...but i'd like to read my contacts (non-sim ones) even if i don't have the sim card in
Nov 24 22:00:19 <roh> hm.. also acpi has its fingers in there... nih
Nov 24 22:00:45 <UndrWater> hrm...wonder if i import from sim...
Nov 24 22:01:24 <roh> jonkristian ah.. and now i see it.. try with a nontained kernel. nobody will help you debug it.
Nov 24 22:01:36 <roh> means -> no nvidia.. if the bug is gone... you know
Nov 24 22:02:13 <jonkristian> roh: actually, i have been messing with nvidia today
Nov 24 22:02:18 <jonkristian> and yesterday
Nov 24 22:02:45 <roh> well.. try not loading it at all. work on console fo these tests.. and try to get the error
Nov 24 22:03:03 <jonkristian> thanks, ill give it a test
Nov 24 22:03:24 <roh> binary modules have the tendency to massively fuck up stuff when kernels change. there is no abi ;)
Nov 24 22:03:42 <jonkristian> hehe, yeah
Nov 24 22:03:44 <viq> Absolute Backwards Incompatibility? ;)
Nov 24 22:05:27 <roh> viq linux doesnt have any. atleast by design. if there is one, its just there out of convenience/lazyness and not due to concept (which is good)
Nov 24 22:05:56 <DieMumiee> the most annoying thing is that the community cannot fix bugs that arise from dependencies between oss and closed software..
Nov 24 22:06:55 <roh> DieMumiee well.. thats how it is on the binary world. nothing new. if you do not like it. do not give companies like nv money
Nov 24 22:07:20 <DieMumiee> well i could use nouveau
Nov 24 22:07:26 <viq> If I buy equipment, I am going to try hard not to have nvidia inside
Nov 24 22:07:47 <roh> DieMumiee if you do not have any req. ;) yes.
Nov 24 22:08:24 <roh> i am on a x1600 in a T60p here.. and it still is 'some' pain (unregular lockups, 1-2x a week) with 'xorg-ati, mesa and drm from git
Nov 24 22:09:03 <viq> How's the performance of that thing? I am considering getting the exact same model off of a friend
Nov 24 22:09:22 <roh> but it does xvideo, xrandr, opengl, ans composite if i want.. compared to what was  possible with the ati binary driver its enormous
Nov 24 22:10:01 <roh> it performs well enough. i do not want to play games or so.. just some google earth or so is maximum 3d usage
Nov 24 22:10:13 <roh> xvideo and multihead/xrandr is much more imporant
Nov 24 22:12:12 <jonkristian> ouch: Starting Xserver JFFS2 notice: check_node_date: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0e06c4e4: read 0xb268a454, calculated 0xb32b1190
Nov 24 22:12:19 <jonkristian> latest shr
Nov 24 22:15:37 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: you should have waited until the image was generated fully
Nov 24 22:16:14 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: ouch
Nov 24 22:16:28 <jonkristian> it's 71MB
Nov 24 22:16:54 <Ainulindale> Well, I didn't even have time to test it anyway
Nov 24 22:17:15 <jonkristian> I thought maybe it was because i turned it off by holding power
Nov 24 22:17:29 <Ainulindale> So it booted?
Nov 24 22:17:41 <jonkristian> yeah, it just stuck before loading x
Nov 24 22:17:50 <jonkristian> im re-flashing that image now
Nov 24 22:17:52 <Ainulindale> How long?
Nov 24 22:18:04 <jonkristian> it never started x
Nov 24 22:18:13 <Ainulindale> How long? (again)
Nov 24 22:18:26 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: well other people are trying it right now
Nov 24 22:18:36 <Ainulindale> Keep me in touch, I'm away for a while, need to rest my eyes
Nov 24 22:18:39 <Ainulindale> But I'll be there later
Nov 24 22:18:46 <Ainulindale> I'm still stuck with this dumb locale issue
Nov 24 22:18:51 <jonkristian> How long what? It just hanged there after trying to start x-server
Nov 24 22:18:55 <Ainulindale> They won't get in the image, it's bugging me
Nov 24 22:19:01 <jonkristian> yeah, i saw that, you can't chose lang
Nov 24 22:19:02 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: On the exquisite screen?
Nov 24 22:19:10 <Ainulindale> (the E thing)
Nov 24 22:19:18 <jonkristian> yupp
Nov 24 22:19:38 <Ainulindale> Then how did you see it hanged after x-server?
Nov 24 22:19:48 <jonkristian> everything was gone, but i just clicked next and chose illume after that
Nov 24 22:19:54 <Ainulindale> So it booted
Nov 24 22:20:10 <Ainulindale> Then the wrong CRC could be an issue like that, yes
Nov 24 22:20:17 <Ainulindale> I had that one time
Nov 24 22:20:18 <jonkristian> i started it first, and everything was working, but then i halted it by pressing power for a few sec's and when i was going to boot it again, it hanged
Nov 24 22:21:10 <Fougner> hello guys =D
Nov 24 22:21:29 <fredrin> Fougner: hay
Nov 24 22:21:34 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: there's no software to power it off, right? Is there a bugreport for this, would be useful.
Nov 24 22:21:44 <jonkristian> Fougner: :D
Nov 24 22:23:23 <Fougner> jonkristian, hiyaa!
Nov 24 22:24:24 <jonkristian> :)
Nov 24 22:24:33 <jonkristian> How's it going
Nov 24 22:25:57 <Fougner> well
Nov 24 22:26:14 <Fougner> I always install SHR, then after a day or so, I go back to FDOm
Nov 24 22:26:24 <Fougner> and you? ^^
Nov 24 22:27:39 <jonkristian> Im flashing shr atm, im confident i will get wlan working on it tonight
Nov 24 22:33:46 <slaxxin> ooo no its downloading a bunch of diff languages   in opkg
Nov 24 22:34:18 <ptitjes> jonkristian: BTW 'init' is okay to poweroff the phone...
Nov 24 22:38:13 <Fougner> jonkristian, wlan, why? =)
Nov 24 22:38:25 <Fougner> I'm interested in WLAN ;D
Nov 24 22:39:37 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03werner * r4820 10/developers/werner/myroot/werner.myroot: 
Nov 24 22:39:37 <CIA-51> openmoko: - werner.myroot: use task-proper-tools
Nov 24 22:39:37 <CIA-51> openmoko: - werner.myroot: netkit-telnet and wmiconfig have arrived in the feed
Nov 24 22:44:54 <quatrox> werner: I have to GTA02 here. Both has same u-boot, uboot-env, kernel and distro. I tried the same sdhc card on both. On one it works fine, and one the other one I get "Kernel panic- not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0)"
Nov 24 22:45:14 <jonkristian> hm, wpa or wpa2 , what's recommended?
Nov 24 22:45:14 <Wonka> _really_ same u-boot_env?
Nov 24 22:45:25 <Wonka> jonkristian: wpa2, definitely
Nov 24 22:45:31 <Wonka> jonkristian: tkip is breakable
Nov 24 22:45:53 <jonkristian> ok, i've been using wep until now:D
Nov 24 22:46:06 <jonkristian> i also have wpa+wpa2
Nov 24 22:46:09 <quatrox> Wonka: I just flashed the one that was not working with the env from the one that worked. It did not help
Nov 24 22:46:23 <Wonka> hm...
Nov 24 22:46:38 <Wonka> jonkristian: definitely switch off wep and wpa1 everywhere.
Nov 24 22:46:52 <jonkristian> mmkay:)
Nov 24 22:46:54 <jonkristian> thanks
Nov 24 22:47:16 <jonkristian> just hope it plays well with my iwlagn
Nov 24 22:47:28 <Wonka> i got "unknown-block(2,0)" when i had "rootfs=auto" on the cmdline... "rootfs=ext3" worked, though
Nov 24 22:47:51 <quatrox> interesting
Nov 24 22:48:04 <jonkristian> brb, hopefully
Nov 24 22:49:07 <Fougner> guys
Nov 24 22:49:44 <Fougner> is there a way to check content on a CD/DVD through terminal
Nov 24 22:49:58 <Fougner> without "mount csbvhsbd" and then ls
Nov 24 22:52:25 <quatrox> Wonka: I have rootfstype=ext2 and the partition is ext2
Nov 24 22:52:56 <Wonka> rootfstype i meant, not rootfs, of course :)
Nov 24 22:53:02 <Wonka> my rootfs is ext3
Nov 24 22:53:26 <Wonka> i wondered that auto didn't work but ext3 did
Nov 24 22:54:23 <quatrox> anyway - I think there is minor variations in the HW
Nov 24 22:54:27 <Fougner> how can I compile my GTK app on the moko?=
Nov 24 22:54:49 <lindi-> Fougner: in debian you do it just like you do on your PC
Nov 24 22:55:11 <quatrox> Wonka: and both gta02v5 reports crc errors on the sdhc card
Nov 24 22:55:28 <Fougner> lindi-, I'm on the OM2008.9
Nov 24 22:55:29 <Fougner> FDOM
Nov 24 22:55:35 <lindi-> Fougner: no idea then
Nov 24 22:55:38 <Fougner> eh
Nov 24 22:55:46 <Fougner> maybe it's not using GTK? =/
Nov 24 22:55:57 <lindi-> Fougner: maybe install package that contains gtk.h
Nov 24 22:56:01 <Fougner> Kensan! raster! =D
Nov 24 22:56:04 <Fougner> help meeee
Nov 24 22:56:39 <Fougner> is there a way to search the repo or something for opkg ?
Nov 24 22:56:40 <Fougner> =D
Nov 24 22:56:57 <lindi-> i don't know
Nov 24 22:57:41 <jonkristian> That was alot easier than i thought it would be:)
Nov 24 22:57:51 <Fougner> jonkristian, whaT? =D
Nov 24 22:58:05 <quatrox> Wonka: I guess I am lucky that it always work on the second GTA. I tried adjusting the glamo sd speed and current and setting a delay in uboot so that the driver gets time to load.
Nov 24 22:58:13 <lindi-> Fougner: in debian i apt-file search gtk/gtk.h and see 'libgtk2.0-dev: usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h'
Nov 24 22:58:39 <jonkristian> Fougner: changed from wep to wpa
Nov 24 22:58:53 <Fougner> ah
Nov 24 22:59:17 <lindi-> hmm, git is confusing
Nov 24 22:59:21 <jonkristian> Fougner: I remember before, I always had hassle with wpa, but it worked like a charm, networkmanager is awesome:)
Nov 24 22:59:28 <Fougner> oh
Nov 24 22:59:38 <Fougner> the latest SHR ?
Nov 24 22:59:48 <quatrox> Wonka: I think I will try a C. What is strange, is that both work great with the 512M card that was included in the box
Nov 24 23:00:15 <jonkristian> Fougner: no, on my laptop, haven't tested the latest yet, but someone has a working wlan with wpa and shr
Nov 24 23:00:30 <jonkristian> Fougner: Don't remember who it was, but he told me earlier
Nov 24 23:00:52 <Fougner> oh
Nov 24 23:00:54 <Fougner> nice
Nov 24 23:00:57 <Fougner> GUI ? =D
Nov 24 23:01:29 <jonkristian> Fougner: he just entered the passphrase in the gui, yeah
Nov 24 23:01:45 <Fougner> that's nice
Nov 24 23:02:02 <jonkristian> But i mean, there's lot of strange wireless equipment out there, so im not yaaay'ing before i see it actually working:D
Nov 24 23:02:22 <Fougner> hehe
Nov 24 23:04:07 <Wonka> i am slightly annoyed about some gsm problems here.
Nov 24 23:04:44 <Wonka> ATM, pppd keeps sending IPCP ConfReqs and seems not to get an answer...
Nov 24 23:05:19 <lindi-> Wonka: does not sound like gsm problem
Nov 24 23:05:36 <lindi-> Wonka: can you put full pppd debug output online?
Nov 24 23:05:41 <Wonka> minutes ago, it did get answers
Nov 24 23:05:46 <Wonka> even an IP
Nov 24 23:06:01 <Wonka> but afterwards, not a single ip packet came in from outside
Nov 24 23:06:40 <Wonka> http://pastebin.com/m5a722b61
Nov 24 23:07:48 <lindi-> odd
Nov 24 23:08:51 <Wonka> from the same pppd process:
Nov 24 23:08:53 <Wonka> http://pastebin.com/m45805d54
Nov 24 23:09:37 <Wonka> i am a little astonished about line 29 ff.
Nov 24 23:10:06 <Wonka> requesting the same as already requested in 27 and acked in 28
Nov 24 23:15:59 <quatrox> Wonka: You just got an ConfAck. Are you sure you shouldn't receive more in order to configure things?
Nov 24 23:17:03 <quatrox> I don't know that protocol
Nov 24 23:19:29 <Wonka> it has already worked with that config
Nov 24 23:20:19 <Wonka> i even had an ssh connect with that config
Nov 24 23:21:12 <Wonka> like now... http://pastebin.com/m4d52d247
Nov 24 23:21:52 <Wonka> eh. not quite. i got an IP, ssh I'm still trying
Nov 24 23:24:11 <Wonka> outgoing ssh hangs... netstat says "ESTABLISHED"...
Nov 24 23:35:21 <lindi-> Wonka: ping?
Nov 24 23:35:44 <Wonka> wuss?
Nov 24 23:37:00 <lindi-> Wonka: can you ping?
Nov 24 23:45:47 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r898d7ae0a41d 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Fixed a possible race condition
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rdafc2d0bc390 10framework/tests/ (org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py test.py): 
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: tests: finally start with full test coverage for the FSO API compliance
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: (yes, this is just a small start, but it's now underway)
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1178441afcb0 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/mediator.py: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r43c7d23d21b4 10/odevice/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.xml.in: odeviced: catch up with API changes in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd34ccf2b6cfe 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: otapi: fix mandatory and optional argument names for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: odevice: update docs for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.*
Nov 24 23:54:28 <jonkristian> hm, i can ping 192.168.0.200 whish usb0 is on, but i can't ssh to it
Nov 24 23:55:07 <sicu> aren't you meant to ssh to 192.168.0.202 ?
Nov 24 23:55:12 <sicu> not 200
Nov 24 23:56:04 <jonkristian> just get a no route to host
Nov 24 23:57:06 <sicu> yes ... that is 200 ... you should be using 202
Nov 24 23:57:26 <sicu> or do you get same on 202 ?
Nov 24 23:58:10 <jonkristian> i get no route to host on 202
Nov 24 23:58:17 <jonkristian> i can't ping 202 either
Nov 24 23:58:35 <jonkristian> in dmesg when i plug-in the device, i get usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, b2:7f:7e:c2:62:8b
Nov 24 23:59:26 <jonkristian> im just going to reboot everything here
Nov 24 23:59:53 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00e4b7670532 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 00:07:04 <jonkristian> :/
Nov 25 00:07:24 * rooly sighs
Nov 25 00:07:40 <rooly> i can't choose between bluetooth support or a decent contacts browser
Nov 25 00:20:03 <lindi-> rooly: for what? ;)
Nov 25 00:24:11 <rooly> for qte, lindi-
Nov 25 00:34:55 <jonkristian> Oueep
Nov 25 00:38:40 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r42c560495a7a 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: improve result for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetFeatures()
Nov 25 00:38:40 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r251269341099 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/ (mediator.py modem.py): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] create the MiscChannel on /dev/mux6 for now
Nov 25 00:38:41 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd2cc665ea0fb 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.GetFeatures() done
Nov 25 00:49:48 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2cf0eec4c9c4 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.[Get|Set]AntennaPower done
Nov 25 00:50:03 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8efae2ed1ae9 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 00:50:31 <ptitjes> time to sleep ! bye!
Nov 25 00:58:10 <linuxxr> pong
Nov 25 00:58:27 <alx_> ping
Nov 25 00:58:29 <alx_> :D
Nov 25 00:59:53 <linuxxr> i can just see it now
Nov 25 01:00:39 <alx_> ?
Nov 25 01:00:57 <linuxxr> thanksgiving turkey pops out the oven  at 12:30 pm   an at 1237 the release of 2008.11
Nov 25 01:01:23 <alx_> does anyone know where to buy anothe flat debug cable and another connector (like the one on the debug board) ?
Nov 25 01:04:32 <linuxxr> slackware 13
Nov 25 01:10:20 <linuxxr> toodays shr?
Nov 25 01:43:09 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03werner * r4821 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/experiment-s3cmci-suspend-softly.patch: 
Nov 25 01:43:09 <CIA-51> openmoko: *** WORK IN PROGRESS. DOESN'T DO ANYTHING USEFUL YET. ***
Nov 25 01:43:09 <CIA-51> openmoko: Try to restore S3C MCI state such that Atheros module can be kept up
Nov 25 01:43:09 <CIA-51> openmoko: and running during suspend.
Nov 25 01:51:22 <linuxxr> they did it
Nov 25 01:51:40 <linuxxr> shr fixed numptyphysics
Nov 25 01:53:26 <sicu> there was never anything wrong with it, was there ?
Nov 25 01:54:01 <gurugentoo> didn't work for me initially, one of the updates fixed it, perhaps unintentionally
Nov 25 01:54:25 <sicu> probably an update upstream ...
Nov 25 01:54:43 <sicu> all you had to do really was: opkg install libpng3 .... a missing dependancy
Nov 25 01:55:17 <linuxxr> today is the first shr numpty game for me in two weeks
Nov 25 01:55:22 <sicu> =]
Nov 25 01:55:25 <sicu> have fun
Nov 25 02:00:39 <linuxxr> no more big green battery
Nov 25 02:00:56 <linuxxr> i thought it was a cool battery
Nov 25 02:01:18 <Dave> :P
Nov 25 02:01:25 <Dave> good riddance
Nov 25 02:02:04 <gurugentoo> I still see the green battery after a update/upgrade...when was it changed?
Nov 25 02:02:56 <linuxxr> well i did the opkg upgrade yesterday
Nov 25 02:02:59 <Dave> When what where how?
Nov 25 02:03:48 <linuxxr>  an i had the lite image today an i just now put shr glib an it too has a small battery
Nov 25 02:04:02 <linuxxr> thats odd
Nov 25 02:05:06 <linuxxr> how--- thats me
Nov 25 02:09:45 <sicu> you need to opkg remove [some file or other] and opkg update and opkg install [some file or other] for the theme changes to take effect
Nov 25 02:10:34 <sicu> i might be more help if i remembered what exactly, but i'm tired, and now at least you know .... ;p
Nov 25 02:13:24 <sicu> could be opkg remove shr-theme and shr-settings
Nov 25 02:13:33 <sicu> not sure though
Nov 25 02:13:39 <sicu> ^ gurugentoo
Nov 25 02:20:56 <gurugentoo> sicu: aha, thx
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