**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 26 02:59:57 2008
Nov 26 03:37:59 <nemik> hi
Nov 26 03:38:50 <nemik> so i really screwed up. battery discharged and cycling through NOR boot for a min then booting doesn't work because it shuts off after a few seconds of NOR boot. 
Nov 26 03:38:54 <nemik> this is the dumbest thing ever.
Nov 26 03:39:29 <cjb> nemik: you don't have a wall charger?
Nov 26 03:39:41 <nemik> andi do
Nov 26 03:39:47 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 03:39:57 <cjb> nemik: ?
Nov 26 03:40:00 <nemik> sorry. i do. but only a blackberry one. and for some reason it's not good enough for the openmoko
Nov 26 03:40:18 <nemik> i have a USB cable to a desktop though, that should be fine, no?
Nov 26 03:40:23 <cjb> nope
Nov 26 03:40:39 <nemik> i hate this phone
Nov 26 03:40:42 <cjb> you need the wall charger when it isn't able to boot enough to negotiate a full-power USB connection
Nov 26 03:41:09 * daMaestro stares at /topic focusing intent to see 2008.11 released
Nov 26 03:41:19 <nemik> my cat chewed the wire through that one.. :( soldering time. i'm not sure who i should be mad at more. her or the dumbasses who designed the hardware on this thing
Nov 26 03:41:26 <mwester> It should trickle charge if left "off" and plugged into the host, but it will take a loooong time.
Nov 26 03:41:54 <nemik> mwester: 24 hours or longer?
Nov 26 03:42:38 <mwester> If it takes longer than a couple hours of charging to get it to boot, then it isn't charging.  (or possibly the GSM was left running, so pull the battery out for a while, then re-insert before charging)
Nov 26 03:43:10 <nemik> i can't beleive they thought it acceptable to release a $400 piece of hardware with this kind of problem. it boggles my mind. 
Nov 26 03:43:31 <nemik> thanks mwester and cjb, i'll try that
Nov 26 03:44:20 <mwester> nemik:  in fairness to Openmoko, then didn't know it had this problem for the GTA02.
Nov 26 03:45:06 <nemik> ok....but you'd think this kind of thing might be tested for...
Nov 26 03:45:12 <mwester> nemik:  on the other hand, your statement is entirely true when it comes to the GTA03 --- they have chosen to use the very same (poorly-fitting) PMU chip for that.
Nov 26 03:45:27 <nemik> no way. so it'll have the same issue?
Nov 26 03:46:38 <mwester> Openmoko claims that it will not, but if it doesn't it will be because of extraordinary measures taken by the kernel to avoid the problem, not because the hardware is resilient in the first place.
Nov 26 03:47:12 <nemik> that's so sad. i just feel bad for them no
Nov 26 03:47:15 <nemik> now
Nov 26 03:47:23 <mwester> Basically, with better capacitors on the right power lines, and some other surgery, it is possible to start the CPU running without causing the PMU to shut down the power.
Nov 26 03:47:36 <Spanska> does anyone have an idea if the screen size will be increased with future releases of the phone?
Nov 26 03:48:01 <zash> Spanska: not before gta04 i guess
Nov 26 03:48:09 <Spanska> ah.. damn
Nov 26 03:48:21 <Spanska> when will gta04 be released?
Nov 26 03:48:49 <doc|home> Spanska: not any time soon I'd expect :)
Nov 26 03:48:52 <mwester> The hope for the GTA03 is that the use of cpu-freq (which isn't yet completly working for any of the other units) will permit the device to boot into Linux, where Linux can then determine if it has enough power to do things like blink an LED, or light up the backlight, or not. :(  I think it's pretty botched, personally).
Nov 26 03:49:17 <nemik> wow. relying on the kernel for that?!
Nov 26 03:49:27 <mwester> Spanska:  at this time there is no release date for the GTA03, and nothing is said on the GTA04 at all.
Nov 26 03:49:51 <mwester> nemik:  Yes.  The GTA03 eliminates u-boot, so there is nothing else that can manage the PMU at all.
Nov 26 03:49:56 <Spanska> I guess I'll just wait before doing any important development I guess :P
Nov 26 03:50:43 <nemik> that just seems like such a bad idea.
Nov 26 03:50:44 <mwester> The solution, basically, is that you need a cheap Nokia BL-6c battery as a spare, and a BL-6c external charger.
Nov 26 03:51:21 <nemik> it's a shame this is the only alternative to android.
Nov 26 03:51:34 <mwester> Ah, but it's not.
Nov 26 03:51:48 <Spanska> Android looks good... too bad it's not totally open
Nov 26 03:52:24 <mwester> Check out FSO's stated direction -- they are currently working on supporting other hardware with the framework.
Nov 26 03:52:58 <nemik> oh nice
Nov 26 04:10:21 <DocScrutinizer> nicolas.dufresne around here?
Nov 26 04:29:49 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r543745437cd4 10/packages/mokoko/mokoko_svn.bb: mokoko: adding conf file, tags, and alias
Nov 26 04:37:04 <slaxxin> sweet  me batterys back
Nov 26 05:00:40 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 05:10:04 <slaxxin> an hows dave today
Nov 26 05:11:45 <FxChiP> hallo Dave
Nov 26 05:13:23 <Dave> Hello fxchip :D
Nov 26 05:23:13 <raster> BOO
Nov 26 05:35:12 <FxChiP> well
Nov 26 05:35:14 <FxChiP> My news
Nov 26 05:35:20 <FxChiP> Is that
Nov 26 05:35:35 <FxChiP> I am not planning on buying an Apple system, ever, if I can help it, and I used to be a fan
Nov 26 05:35:47 <FxChiP> Their schizophrenia is growing dangerous
Nov 26 05:35:48 <FxChiP> :/
Nov 26 05:36:20 <zash> FxChiP: :D
Nov 26 05:36:53 <FxChiP> http://www.macrumors.com/2008/11/18/apple-incorporates-hdcp-copy-protection-in-new-laptops/ <--- foiajsdf
Nov 26 05:37:08 <FxChiP> Unfortunately a lot of PC makers have done this too :(
Nov 26 05:37:51 <zash> "Mini" DisplayPort
Nov 26 05:37:57 <zash> i say
Nov 26 05:38:46 <FxChiP> HDCP is not fun
Nov 26 05:39:00 <FxChiP> Therefore
Nov 26 05:39:02 <FxChiP> ASUS C90s
Nov 26 05:39:06 <zash> and thats why you don't buy media that requires it
Nov 26 05:39:06 <FxChiP> Or something similar
Nov 26 05:39:23 <FxChiP> or you find a way to decrypt the media anyhow
Nov 26 05:39:54 <FxChiP> Surely one must be able to extract the algorithms and keys from a device -- oh wait, The Fucking DMCA.
Nov 26 05:39:59 <FxChiP> I nearly forgot.
Nov 26 05:40:14 <rooly1> wait wait wait
Nov 26 05:40:20 <rooly1> there's a dmca for sex now?
Nov 26 05:40:30 <zash> HERE, HAVE A KEY AND A LOCK
Nov 26 05:40:41 <FxChiP> haha
Nov 26 05:41:05 <FxChiP> And now to make Dave happy, a rant about something closer to mine own "home"
Nov 26 05:41:08 <FxChiP> http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/11/21/apple-lawyers-hand-ipod-hash-cracking-site-a-dmca-notice
Nov 26 05:41:12 <FxChiP> ^ what the fucking shit
Nov 26 05:41:46 <rooly> okay, there's no need to talk about strange fetishes in here, man
Nov 26 05:41:52 <FxChiP> They used to use the mailing list I'm on to discuss details about the new hash they used on the iPhone OS 2.x
Nov 26 05:42:01 <FxChiP> And then Apple was like "here, have a DMCA notice"
Nov 26 05:42:04 <FxChiP> Because guess what
Nov 26 05:42:09 <FxChiP> The new hashing mechanism uses FairPlay
Nov 26 05:42:25 <FxChiP> The bastards did that on purpose
Nov 26 05:42:26 <FxChiP> :/
Nov 26 05:42:37 * zash can't put songs on his mp3-player
Nov 26 05:42:38 <zash> yay apple
Nov 26 05:42:45 <zash> (without special programs)
Nov 26 05:44:06 <FxChiP> yeah
Nov 26 05:44:12 <FxChiP> libgpod is generally good at that
Nov 26 05:44:27 <FxChiP> if your player is an iPod
Nov 26 05:44:36 <FxChiP> (or original iPhone/iPod Touch with 1.x firmware)
Nov 26 05:45:06 <FxChiP> (2.x firmware is Fairplay-ized, specially designed so Apple could slap folk with DMCA suits if they reverse-engineered it >:/ )
Nov 26 05:45:29 <rooly> lol
Nov 26 05:52:56 <AntonTakk> anyone know if there is a way to have zhone dump debugging output to a terminal (like if you ssh in and start it with DISPLAY=:0.0 zhone  ?
Nov 26 06:11:05 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r4824 10/developers/werner/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
Nov 26 06:11:05 <CIA-24> openmoko: Cleanup, and track myroot/werner.*
Nov 26 06:11:05 <CIA-24> openmoko: - myroot/werner.myroot, fake-calup/calup.myroot: wmiconfig now comes from the
Nov 26 06:11:05 <CIA-24> openmoko:  feed, so we don't need $wmiconfig anymore (and calup never needed it anyway)
Nov 26 06:11:05 <CIA-24> openmoko: - fake-calup/calup.init: don't wipe out /etc/fstab
Nov 26 06:15:26 <AntonTakk> got zhone to switch to call screen on placing an outbound call from the dialer  :)
Nov 26 06:52:29 <AntonTakk> there, not zhone switches between parts properly (as far as I have tested) for voice calls  :)
Nov 26 06:52:35 <AntonTakk> s/not/now
Nov 26 08:15:08 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r2790a7721d35 10/packages/opkg/opkg_svn.bb: opkg_svn.bb: fix a stupid typo that ruined everyone's build...
Nov 26 08:30:29 <methril> morning
Nov 26 08:34:05 <JackpotManie_> hello guys pls visit the page http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4476982/     thx
Nov 26 08:35:58 <jonkristian> JackpotManie_: why?
Nov 26 08:36:51 <jonkristian> pfft
Nov 26 08:37:00 <muxe> good question... just by the url i can tell its some kind of "game"
Nov 26 08:37:19 <jonkristian> and it's probably in german
Nov 26 08:37:53 <muxe> penner = bum :)
Nov 26 08:38:35 <jonkristian> Heh
Nov 26 08:43:09 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03charlie137 * r7290a8716291 10/src/libraries/qtopiapim/qsimcontext.cpp: [phonebook] Show a warning when we modify a contact name when importing to sim
Nov 26 08:45:27 <Hopscotch> good morning
Nov 26 10:45:49 <Wonka> aiee. in which SHR package is /usr/share/enlightenment/data/images/test.png?
Nov 26 10:46:22 <Wonka> e claims "Enlightenment found Evas can't load PNG files." because that file is missing...
Nov 26 10:46:52 <viq> Speaking of SHR, how do I get usb network going on it?
Nov 26 10:47:45 <jonkristian> viq: was it working before?
Nov 26 10:49:24 <viq> On 2008.*, 2007.* and debian yes. I didn't quite figure it out on SHR
Nov 26 10:49:38 <jonkristian> viq: is the usb0 interface up on the fr?
Nov 26 10:50:05 <jonkristian> viq: I think if you've used the wlan gui it brings it automaticly down
Nov 26 10:51:59 <viq> ah, yes, ifconfig usb0 up helped
Nov 26 10:52:52 <jonkristian> :)
Nov 26 10:53:11 <jonkristian> i think, in /etc/mofi/connect.sh you can disable that
Nov 26 10:55:49 <raster> Wonka: an opkg bug
Nov 26 10:56:11 <Wonka> raster: how to correct?
Nov 26 10:56:19 <raster> not sure
Nov 26 10:56:23 <Wonka> raster: symlink something?
Nov 26 10:56:27 <raster> remove e-wm packages and re-install
Nov 26 10:56:30 <raster> no
Nov 26 10:56:33 <raster> not sure
Nov 26 10:56:37 <raster> but its an opkg bug
Nov 26 10:56:53 <raster> koen hit it and we debugged for a while - finding it was an opkg bug
Nov 26 10:56:56 <raster> it simply missed files
Nov 26 10:56:59 <Wonka> *remove* *install*
Nov 26 10:57:04 <Wonka> O.o
Nov 26 10:57:10 <raster> mught have to rebuild the .ipk/opk files
Nov 26 10:57:13 <raster> not sure
Nov 26 10:57:23 <raster> but not a packaging or upstream src bug
Nov 26 10:58:17 <viq> jonkristian: any ideas how can i bring a wlan interface down?
Nov 26 10:58:52 <jonkristian> viq: yeah, ifconfig eth0 down
Nov 26 10:59:39 <jonkristian> grr, unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Nov 26 11:00:15 <jonkristian> There's always something just messing up, hehe
Nov 26 11:00:28 <Wonka> raster: that file is not in that ipk...
Nov 26 11:00:43 <raster> yes
Nov 26 11:00:48 <raster> it was missing for some reason
Nov 26 11:01:00 <raster> why - dont know
Nov 26 11:01:07 <Wonka> ah, so not a bug on my side.
Nov 26 11:01:08 <raster> but it should have been packaged and installed
Nov 26 11:01:47 <viq> jonkristian: thanks
Nov 26 11:02:40 <Wonka> so, the question remains: where do i get that file now? ;)
Nov 26 11:03:00 <Wonka> some dirty workaround would be enough for now
Nov 26 11:03:59 <Wonka> *symlink*
Nov 26 12:06:26 <viq> Is it possible to get battery/power status on SHR?
Nov 26 12:20:20 <Ainulindale> viq: yes
Nov 26 12:22:04 <Fougner> Ainulindale, even for non-openmoko battery?
Nov 26 12:22:20 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 26 12:22:22 <Fougner> just the power (v)
Nov 26 12:22:24 <Fougner> Ainulindale, even for non-openmoko battery?09
Nov 26 12:22:32 <Fougner> =)
Nov 26 12:22:34 <Fougner> good
Nov 26 13:12:38 <henk> is it possible that Om2008.9 (updated to stable) slows down a lot when there is a lot of files on the sd card?
Nov 26 13:12:44 <henk> i.e. another distribution
Nov 26 13:12:46 <bumbl> Raigedas: 
Nov 26 13:12:51 <bumbl> sorry
Nov 26 14:18:39 <phobie> are there known gps problems in the latest shr images?
Nov 26 14:18:53 <phobie> I get no FF
Nov 26 14:19:32 <phobie> Already replaced gpsd with fso-gpsd
Nov 26 14:21:24 <phobie> and disabled resume
Nov 26 14:21:59 <phobie> s/resume/suspend
Nov 26 14:22:05 <Daramarak> Anyone which settings (OM2008.9) to adjust to turn up the volume on the built in microphone? People have problems hearing me when I accept/make calls
Nov 26 14:23:07 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 14:23:14 <Dave> Good day, Leinir
Nov 26 14:24:03 * leinir curtsies :)
Nov 26 14:25:53 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 14:26:19 <lindi-> Daramarak: the wiki has examples
Nov 26 14:26:30 <lindi-> Daramarak: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
Nov 26 14:27:37 <Ainulindale> phobie: no there's no known problem
Nov 26 14:27:47 <Ainulindale> I replaced gpsd by fso-gpsd and got a fix
Nov 26 14:27:53 <phobie> ok
Nov 26 14:28:17 <phobie> If I use a external antenna, must it be activated?
Nov 26 14:28:28 <Ainulindale> What is "it"? :-)
Nov 26 14:28:38 <phobie> the mmcx port
Nov 26 14:32:42 <Fougner> phobie, I got the external antenna working out of the box =)
Nov 26 14:37:56 <Daramarak> lindi-:Thanks, I hope it works. AlsaMixer works ok through ssh, but is a pain to use with the stylus.
Nov 26 14:39:42 <beni_> how does it come, that until now not even a basic mixer app is out?
Nov 26 14:39:49 <Ainulindale> There is one on illume
Nov 26 14:40:10 <beni_> how to access thatß
Nov 26 14:40:11 <beni_> ?
Nov 26 14:40:21 <Ainulindale> There's a mixer shelf gadget
Nov 26 14:40:27 <beni_> oh cool
Nov 26 14:40:29 <beni_> never seen that
Nov 26 14:42:35 <AntonTakk> add three lines to zhone and the ui changes for voice calls like it should  :)
Nov 26 14:43:20 <AntonTakk> testing ms 4.1 as a daily phone now
Nov 26 14:45:18 <mickey|ezx> need to bundle an update for frameworkd
Nov 26 14:45:24 <mickey|ezx> we had some important bug fixes since 4.1
Nov 26 14:46:43 <AntonTakk> mickey|ezx: accepting small patches to zhone?
Nov 26 14:47:58 <mickey|ezx> sure
Nov 26 14:48:15 <beni_> it has passed long time since i last updated my phone (om2008.9; 2 months or so). Will it be sufficient to run opkg upgrade?
Nov 26 14:48:23 <AntonTakk> do i just put a diff in a ticket on the trac, or?
Nov 26 14:48:24 <beni_> or do i need to reflash something?
Nov 26 14:48:33 <Dave> Hey Ainu :)
Nov 26 14:48:36 <mickey|ezx> AntonTakk: yes, please
Nov 26 14:48:47 <AntonTakk> k, will do
Nov 26 14:49:32 <Ainulindale> Dave: hey
Nov 26 14:49:41 <Ainulindale> I'll regenerate an image again today
Nov 26 14:49:48 <Ainulindale> With fso-gpsd and some stuff packaged in a better way
Nov 26 14:52:17 <Ainulindale> (such as our theme)
Nov 26 14:52:23 <Ainulindale> (which won't replace the existing one)
Nov 26 14:54:02 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: the last image is pretty sweet but the sms app crashes for me, is this a known issue?
Nov 26 14:56:17 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: DO you have a SIM?
Nov 26 14:56:31 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: yessir
Nov 26 14:56:53 <toggles_w> i have ms4.1 in flash, works ok, and shr on uSD
Nov 26 14:56:55 <Ainulindale> Ok then wait ten minute I'll keep you in touch
Nov 26 14:57:03 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: thanks
Nov 26 15:07:11 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: here again
Nov 26 15:10:00 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: would you please pastebin your /var/log/ophonekitd.log?
Nov 26 15:11:12 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: will do, i need to reboot, give me 5 or so
Nov 26 15:12:09 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: and flash latest please :-)
Nov 26 15:12:21 <Ainulindale> Do you prefer lite or fat image?
Nov 26 15:14:31 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: i'm running yesterdays is that ok?
Nov 26 15:15:55 <Ainulindale> It'll be faster and stabler on latest
Nov 26 15:15:59 <Ainulindale> And will use fso-gpsd
Nov 26 15:16:05 <Ainulindale> And will allow you to choose default illume or illume SHR
Nov 26 15:16:19 <toggles_w> ok, shr lite ok?
Nov 26 15:16:20 <Ainulindale> There's only latest lite, I'll generate fat in ten minutes
Nov 26 15:16:32 <toggles_w> nah, lit will be ok
Nov 26 15:16:39 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Nov 26 15:18:38 * SpeedEvil will too!
Nov 26 15:18:43 * SpeedEvil eats 7 biscuits.
Nov 26 15:19:10 <Ainulindale> Ok, latest boots in half the time
Nov 26 15:19:23 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 26 15:19:25 <Ainulindale> (but with no splash)
Nov 26 15:19:38 <Ainulindale> (the splash was seriously hammering the CPU it seems)
Nov 26 15:19:39 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: i have a 30 min download, it'll be a while
Nov 26 15:20:11 <Ainulindale> No problem
Nov 26 15:22:06 <Dave> :o
Nov 26 15:22:24 <Ainulindale> Dave: what?
Nov 26 15:24:36 <toggles_w> ~_~
Nov 26 15:24:37 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Nov 26 15:24:40 <Dave> Speedevil's fattening up on biscuits :p
Nov 26 15:24:58 * SpeedEvil is waiting for the lemon-chicken to do.
Nov 26 15:25:06 * SpeedEvil needs to baste. BRB.
Nov 26 15:25:54 <Dave> o_O
Nov 26 15:31:12 <Daramarak> It sounds like SpeedEvil is cooking something good.
Nov 26 15:32:12 <SpeedEvil> Chicken covered with lemon juice+lemon zest + salt + bay+rosmary+assorted other herbs + olive oil.
Nov 26 15:32:24 <Dave> DELICIOUS!
Nov 26 15:32:37 <SpeedEvil> +...
Nov 26 15:36:17 <AntonTakk> there, took me long enough but i got it submitted  :)
Nov 26 15:38:00 <Daramarak> Sounds very fine SpeedEvil. Cooking is one of my passions too.
Nov 26 15:39:08 <slaxxin> Ainulin will opkg upgrade get it today?
Nov 26 15:39:42 <Dave> After the packages are rebuilt ;)
Nov 26 15:40:13 <Ainulindale> Get it what slaxxin ?
Nov 26 15:40:22 <slaxxin> shr latest
Nov 26 15:40:27 <Ainulindale> You'll be missing stuff
Nov 26 15:40:33 <Ainulindale> I'd suggest to reflash again.
Nov 26 15:40:38 <slaxxin> yesterdays seemed to work
Nov 26 15:40:41 <Ainulindale> This should be the latest issue with that kind of stuff
Nov 26 15:40:43 <slaxxin> ok
Nov 26 15:40:47 <Dave> Ainulindale :(
Nov 26 15:40:48 <Ainulindale> From now on opkg upgrade should be safe
Nov 26 15:40:59 <Ainulindale> I seriously changed the way we build stuff
Nov 26 15:41:00 <Dave> Really, upgrade won't be the same as flashing?
Nov 26 15:41:03 <Ainulindale> Really
Nov 26 15:41:11 <Dave> Is this going to change?
Nov 26 15:41:17 <Ainulindale> Read my last remark
Nov 26 15:41:26 <Dave> Alright :)
Nov 26 15:41:28 <slaxxin> today it changes
Nov 26 15:41:39 <AntonTakk> Dave, yeah, sms are displayed in rpn now  :)
Nov 26 15:41:54 <Ainulindale> Fat image is here by the way
Nov 26 15:42:03 <Dave> Hooray!
Nov 26 15:42:13 <Dave> Perfect for Speedevil :P
Nov 26 15:42:17 <toggles_w> AntonTakk: rpn?
Nov 26 15:42:26 <slaxxin> rpn
Nov 26 15:42:26 <Ainulindale> And for these people who prefered the old battery theme
Nov 26 15:42:36 <Ainulindale> I packaged our theme as a true package
Nov 26 15:42:42 <AntonTakk> toggles_w: reverse polish notation - more or less the way yoda talks
Nov 26 15:42:47 <Ainulindale> So this should be modifiable
Nov 26 15:42:55 <Dave> Good shit
Nov 26 15:44:43 <slaxxin> testlab or not?
Nov 26 15:46:06 <Ainulindale> what?
Nov 26 15:46:11 <Ainulindale> testlab is a feature, not a version
Nov 26 15:46:29 <slaxxin> oo
Nov 26 15:46:30 <Ainulindale> get the 26th one
Nov 26 15:46:37 <slaxxin> i did
Nov 26 15:46:49 <slaxxin> what feature?
Nov 26 15:47:21 <Ainulindale> It outputs package lists and such
Nov 26 15:47:42 <slaxxin> i did opkg upgrade
Nov 26 15:47:54 <slaxxin> but im gonna flash
Nov 26 15:48:25 <slaxxin> pick up the leaves in your yard   Dave
Nov 26 15:48:32 <slaxxin> haha
Nov 26 15:49:04 <slaxxin> really its been 22 years since i was in nyc
Nov 26 15:49:30 <slaxxin> carrier reefer school at carrier circle
Nov 26 15:53:34 <slaxxin> anybody used the hackable1 setup?
Nov 26 15:55:42 <Dave> Ainulindale, ETA? :)
Nov 26 16:01:30 <Fougner> =D
Nov 26 16:01:32 <Fougner> Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 26 16:03:11 <Dave> JOYGASM
Nov 26 16:04:54 <Ainulindale> Dave: ETA of what?
Nov 26 16:05:01 <Ainulindale> fat image?
Nov 26 16:06:40 <Dave> The image builds
Nov 26 16:06:46 <Dave> Time to completion
Nov 26 16:07:31 <Ainulindale> Err
Nov 26 16:07:39 <Ainulindale> 16:41:55 < Ainulindale> Fat image is here by the way
Nov 26 16:07:46 <Dave> :P
Nov 26 16:07:55 <Dave> Packages?
Nov 26 16:08:00 <Ainulindale> Everything's ready
Nov 26 16:08:35 <Dave> Hooray!
Nov 26 16:08:44 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 16:09:26 <slaxxin> eta=4 minuits
Nov 26 16:09:34 <slaxxin> done
Nov 26 16:12:36 <sleg> Hi all
Nov 26 16:12:38 <Ainulindale> Dave: if some software is missing from the repo, please tell me so
Nov 26 16:13:15 <slaxxin> so illume or illumeSHR?
Nov 26 16:13:15 <sleg> I'm not sure I'm in the right channel ...
Nov 26 16:13:48 <slaxxin> wat ya looking for?
Nov 26 16:13:57 <sleg> I have a problem with my GSM ... It tryed to flash it and it seems to be deadnow :(
Nov 26 16:14:18 <slaxxin> openmoko?
Nov 26 16:14:28 <sleg> Yes ... freerunner
Nov 26 16:14:29 <lindi-> slaxxin: you flashed gsm chip?
Nov 26 16:14:30 <Ainulindale> slaxxin: your choice
Nov 26 16:14:36 <lindi-> i mean sleg
Nov 26 16:14:39 <Ainulindale> illume SHR is our theme
Nov 26 16:14:41 <Ainulindale> and profile
Nov 26 16:14:45 <slaxxin> ok
Nov 26 16:14:51 <Dave> Alright
Nov 26 16:14:57 <Dave> Where's this FAT image?
Nov 26 16:15:02 <Ainulindale> Up your ass
Nov 26 16:15:09 <slaxxin> right there dave
Nov 26 16:15:11 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.tar.gz
Nov 26 16:15:19 <Ainulindale> For example
Nov 26 16:15:26 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081126-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary <= for flash
Nov 26 16:15:35 <Dave> :o
Nov 26 16:15:59 <Fougner> Dave =D
Nov 26 16:15:59 <Dave> That's the fat one? :)
Nov 26 16:16:06 <Fougner> hahha
Nov 26 16:16:08 <Fougner> fat
Nov 26 16:16:09 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Nov 26 16:16:11 <sleg> lindi: yes ... I tried but I got a 'Flash operation timeout' while it was flashing
Nov 26 16:16:12 <slaxxin> 15 megs shy
Nov 26 16:16:41 <sleg> lindi-, And now ... it does not answer :(
Nov 26 16:16:43 <slaxxin> same apps there though
Nov 26 16:17:02 <slaxxin> lost me green battery
Nov 26 16:17:21 <slaxxin> is it in the other profile?
Nov 26 16:17:26 <sleg> Does anybody know if a can wake it up ??
Nov 26 16:17:46 <Ainulindale> slaxxin: yes
Nov 26 16:17:56 <slaxxin> sleg did u reboot?
Nov 26 16:18:27 <sleg> Yes ... I reboot, reflash with Om200.08 ... SHR ... FSO ... Debian ...
Nov 26 16:18:32 <sleg> nothing work
Nov 26 16:18:36 <slaxxin> ooooo
Nov 26 16:18:56 <slaxxin> u reflash the gsm already?
Nov 26 16:19:02 <lindi-> sleg: the flash program is non-free, can't really help :/
Nov 26 16:19:03 <sleg> Now I'm on SHR and I installed libgsmd-tools
Nov 26 16:20:13 <sleg> slaxxin, I tried to reflash ... but it keep on 'Bootloader: (reset target)' ... But nothing append 
Nov 26 16:20:22 <Fougner> Ainulindale, what's the lite image doing? =)
Nov 26 16:20:26 <sleg> I'm afraid it's dead :(
Nov 26 16:20:27 <Ainulindale> It's on the wiki
Nov 26 16:21:43 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: no go.. http://pastebin.com/m65fecf96 will reboot and try again
Nov 26 16:21:46 <sleg> With gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F, I have a lot of timeout
Nov 26 16:22:35 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: what's the problem here?
Nov 26 16:24:09 <sleg> see the log : http://www.tsleg.com/freerunner/logGSM
Nov 26 16:25:08 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: everything  crashed, dialer, sms
Nov 26 16:25:20 <toggles_w> i think sms was because i was hitting it before it registered with tmobile
Nov 26 16:25:36 <toggles_w> but the dialer should have been registered when i tried it
Nov 26 16:25:38 <Ainulindale> On this log, you're registered
Nov 26 16:25:47 <Ainulindale> Please launch them using ssh and pastebin me what they say
Nov 26 16:27:00 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: command?
Nov 26 16:27:10 <Ainulindale> DISPLAY=":0" openmoko-messages
Nov 26 16:27:19 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: thanks
Nov 26 16:28:18 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m441a6e3c
Nov 26 16:28:34 <Ainulindale> ps auxw | grep ophonekitd, is it there?
Nov 26 16:29:13 <toggles_w> nope
Nov 26 16:29:23 <Ainulindale> Then it's normal you can't use them
Nov 26 16:29:28 <Ainulindale> Is there any change in the ophonekitd log?
Nov 26 16:30:33 <toggles_w> Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m930806b
Nov 26 16:30:57 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: would you please try DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& and tell me what it does in the end?
Nov 26 16:31:00 <Ainulindale> (Is it just exiting?)
Nov 26 16:31:16 <Ainulindale> toggles_w: please, let's talk about that in cdevel
Nov 26 16:33:24 <sleg> Nobody can help me for my dead GSM ?
Nov 26 16:33:38 <lindi-> sleg: are you sure its your GSM chip that is broken?
Nov 26 16:34:06 <sleg> lindi-, I think but I'm not sure
Nov 26 16:34:26 <SpeedEvil> sleg: where in the world are you and what SIM do you have from  what provider?
Nov 26 16:34:41 <sleg> lindi-, but I tried with libgsmd-tools ... nothing works ...
Nov 26 16:35:26 <sleg> lindi-, I'm in France (SFR provider), but It work fine before I tried to flash ...
Nov 26 16:35:48 <SpeedEvil> flash the GSM firmware>
Nov 26 16:35:49 <SpeedEvil> ?
Nov 26 16:35:50 <sleg> lindi-, It did not work with my other SIM card (Orange)
Nov 26 16:35:58 <sleg> SpeedEvil, Yes
Nov 26 16:36:25 <sleg> That's why I tried to flash the GSM
Nov 26 16:36:41 <sleg> But now it doesn't work at all :(
Nov 26 16:37:01 <sleg> Do you know how to use libgsmd-tools ?
Nov 26 16:38:16 <sleg> Every command I run gives me an empty answer
Nov 26 16:44:26 <SpeedEvil> :(
Nov 26 16:45:07 <sleg> SpeedEvil, Yes ... :(
Nov 26 16:45:21 <SpeedEvil> sleg: neo1973 or FR?
Nov 26 16:45:30 <sleg> SpeedEvil, FR
Nov 26 16:45:49 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I've very little insight on this - I've held off flashing my neo1973.
Nov 26 16:47:04 <sleg> What I don't understand is why the flash progress failed ... I can't see anything about this problem ...
Nov 26 16:47:26 <SpeedEvil> Did you log the process?
Nov 26 16:47:31 <SpeedEvil> Were there any error messages?
Nov 26 16:47:39 <sleg> While it was flashing, i got a 'Flash operation timeout'
Nov 26 16:50:14 <sleg> SpeedEvil, I did not keep the log, but it was a bit like http://www.tsleg.com/freerunner/flashlog
Nov 26 16:50:54 <sleg> SpeedEvil, It was still moving just before it failed ...
Nov 26 16:51:08 <SpeedEvil> :/
Nov 26 16:51:53 <sleg> To bad my phonecan not make phone calls anymore ... :'(
Nov 26 16:52:56 <mwester> sleg:  check the kernel or distro mailing lists for a thread about the same problem.
Nov 26 16:54:03 <Dave> Hmm
Nov 26 16:54:17 <sleg> mwester, thanks ... I will tell about my problem on the kernel ML ...
Nov 26 16:59:18 <sleg> Thanks all ... bye.
Nov 26 17:00:35 <Tig|> well loaded up with a SHR image I am going to give my FR another go as my main phone... 
Nov 26 17:01:30 <Tig|> I will need to change the ringtone and sms tone though :)
Nov 26 17:15:34 <TAsn> Tig|, that's a matter of seconds ;]
Nov 26 17:15:45 <TAsn> so I guess you are good to go.! ;]
Nov 26 17:16:09 <Tig|> TAsn: yeah I know,  just mooching around the freesound archive looking for a new tone :)
Nov 26 17:16:32 <TAsn> you know oggs are supported, right?
Nov 26 17:16:46 <TAsn> I used the metal version of the free software song ;]
Nov 26 17:17:06 <Dave> :)
Nov 26 17:17:30 <Tig|> noooooooooooooooooooooo
Nov 26 17:18:36 <TAsn> Tig|, aye ;]
Nov 26 17:18:43 <TAsn> I couldn't help it.
Nov 26 17:18:48 <TAsn> it makes me laugh every time.
Nov 26 17:19:05 <TAsn> my nokia ringtone was "Yo ho Yo ho a pirates life for me."
Nov 26 17:19:17 <Tig|> If I wanted to be embarrassed I would leave the default one on :P
Nov 26 17:20:10 <TAsn> touche.
Nov 26 17:22:00 <EtienneG> hi guys
Nov 26 17:22:14 <EtienneG> I just got my Freerunner, and it is running 2007.2
Nov 26 17:23:08 <EtienneG> it seems that the 2007.2 software repository is not on downloads.openmoko.org anymore; have it benn moved?
Nov 26 17:23:10 <jonkristian> cool
Nov 26 17:23:12 <muxe> juhu
Nov 26 17:23:21 <jonkristian> EtienneG: it's not supported anymore
Nov 26 17:23:28 <jonkristian> EtienneG: i'd suggest shr
Nov 26 17:23:30 <Dave> yarr
Nov 26 17:23:37 <jonkristian> DAVE
Nov 26 17:23:44 <jonkristian> arrrr
Nov 26 17:23:49 <Tig|> yarr
Nov 26 17:23:57 <jonkristian> Daarrrrve
Nov 26 17:24:26 <EtienneG> jonkristian, yeah, I got that and will upgrade shortly when time permit; is the 2007.2 repository still available somewhere, or it is gone completely?
Nov 26 17:24:33 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 17:24:45 <jonkristian> EtienneG: Not sure
Nov 26 17:24:47 <TAsn> hmm it's still there, or so I think.
Nov 26 17:24:48 <ccfly> hello :)
Nov 26 17:24:48 <EtienneG> jonkristian, shr == ???
Nov 26 17:24:55 <EtienneG> (sorry, I am new here)
Nov 26 17:24:56 <SpeedEvil> ~shr
Nov 26 17:24:57 <apt> from memory, shr is Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO.  See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release
Nov 26 17:25:02 <TAsn> EtienneG, wiki.openmoko.org
Nov 26 17:25:22 <jonkristian> unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Nov 26 17:25:26 <TAsn> SpeedEvil, someone should change that, shr has *nothing* to do with the 2007.2 software!
Nov 26 17:25:30 <jonkristian> Can i reset somehow?
Nov 26 17:25:35 <jonkristian> $$$
Nov 26 17:25:47 <TAsn> press the power button?
Nov 26 17:26:58 <mwester> Pull the battery out?
Nov 26 17:27:24 <TAsn> EtienneG, actually it seems it really isn't supported. i.e no live repos
Nov 26 17:27:28 <jonkristian> Actually, suspend worked, and that error was on the laptop when i plugged the fr
Nov 26 17:27:36 <EtienneG> reading up on this SHR thing: is it possible to do an in-place update from 2007.2 to SHR?
Nov 26 17:27:37 <TAsn> you can use the angstrom ones, though that won't help you a lot.
Nov 26 17:27:38 <jonkristian> suspend/unsuspend
Nov 26 17:27:45 <EtienneG> TAsn, bummer!
Nov 26 17:27:50 <TAsn> EtienneG, just flash it.
Nov 26 17:28:00 <TAsn> EtienneG, read the shr wiki page.
Nov 26 17:28:06 <TAsn> it knows more than we do ;]
Nov 26 17:28:17 * jonkristian bought a 8gb sandisk micro sdhc card today:D
Nov 26 17:28:19 <TAsn> the wiki is the smartest being here.
Nov 26 17:28:35 <TAsn> jonkristian, I bought mine a month ago, sooo much fun ;]
Nov 26 17:29:53 <jonkristian> And this:) http://www.clasohlson.no/Product/Product.aspx?id=28982690
Nov 26 17:30:28 <jonkristian> TAsn: cool, are you running debian or something, I plan to test hackable1:)
Nov 26 17:31:01 <TAsn> jonkristian, COOL! 
Nov 26 17:31:08 <TAsn> nah, I'm not running debian.
Nov 26 17:31:13 <TAsn> I really like shr
Nov 26 17:31:15 <Tig|> EtienneG: flashing is the easiest and it is not difficult and also the FR is designed so you can't break it by flashing it
Nov 26 17:31:57 <TAsn> (actually what I like is illume and the framework. shr is just a good mix of the both with cool themes and a few good apps)
Nov 26 17:32:07 <jonkristian> TAsn: yeah, can't wait to try it, it's charging up right now:) I thought about that SE one, but it's twice the price;)
Nov 26 17:32:28 <EtienneG> Tig|, that is most definitely good news
Nov 26 17:32:28 <TAsn> twice the price = half the pleasure ;]
Nov 26 17:32:34 <jonkristian> There I go again, all those commas:/
Nov 26 17:32:39 <EtienneG> now, I just need to settle on whcih distro to use
Nov 26 17:32:40 <TAsn> EtienneG, let the hacks begin...
Nov 26 17:32:48 <Tig|> EtienneG: I also suggest SHR  :)
Nov 26 17:32:55 <TAsn> EtienneG, we all suggest shr ;]
Nov 26 17:32:59 <jonkristian> EtienneG: trust me, you won't settle before you've tried 'em all:D
Nov 26 17:33:04 <TAsn> though after you get used to the phone
Nov 26 17:33:08 <jonkristian> Well, if you're like me, hehe
Nov 26 17:33:10 <Tig|> several times :)
Nov 26 17:33:11 <TAsn> dual boot with
Nov 26 17:33:19 <TAsn> debian/android/etc etc
Nov 26 17:33:23 <TAsn> just for the kicks ;]
Nov 26 17:33:34 <EtienneG> jonkristian, pity time is in such a high demand that I wonder when I will have the time to actually do so!  :)
Nov 26 17:33:43 * jonkristian wonder what he shall use his 8gb for
Nov 26 17:33:46 <jonkristian> EtienneG: Hehe
Nov 26 17:33:57 <TAsn> EtienneG, I failed my algebra test because I spent too much time on the moko ;]
Nov 26 17:33:58 <EtienneG> are the koolu people on this channel?  I would like to thank them for unit
Nov 26 17:34:10 <TAsn> EtienneG, some of them are, I can't recall the nicks though.
Nov 26 17:34:14 <EtienneG> they sponsored two units for a contest with LPI examdev, I won one
Nov 26 17:34:26 <TAsn> cool.
Nov 26 17:34:35 <TAsn> congrats. ;]
Nov 26 17:36:03 <Gromgull> Does anyone have any experience with the accelerometers? 
Nov 26 17:36:14 <Gromgull> If I make a reading... and then wait 3s and read again
Nov 26 17:36:36 <Gromgull> What do I get? i.e. does it add up over time, or is it just the current acceleration? 
Nov 26 17:36:41 <SpeedEvil> current
Nov 26 17:36:54 <Gromgull> so I have to keep reading a few times a second
Nov 26 17:36:57 <SpeedEvil> the output format is (IIRC) 8 bits - with the top at +-2G
Nov 26 17:36:58 <Gromgull> to keep track of things properly
Nov 26 17:37:06 <Gromgull> yeah - you can set it to 8G if you want
Nov 26 17:37:07 <SpeedEvil> what are you hoping to keep track of?
Nov 26 17:37:18 <Gromgull> movement :)
Nov 26 17:37:41 <TAsn> Gromgull, I suggest you look on rotate's and gestures's code
Nov 26 17:37:44 <SpeedEvil> you can't do (meaningfully) inertial positioning if that's what you mean.
Nov 26 17:37:54 <Gromgull> I was hoping to show a windows onto a large picture, then moving the moko around would move the window ...
Nov 26 17:38:03 <Gromgull> if you see what i mean... it kinda works, but it's not as natural as I had hoped
Nov 26 17:38:10 <SpeedEvil> The accellerometers tell you where 'down' is.
Nov 26 17:38:32 <SpeedEvil> They are totally insensitive (almost) to rotation around the down axis
Nov 26 17:39:02 <SpeedEvil> The almost is centripetal force.
Nov 26 17:39:16 <Gromgull> yes - this I realised... but if you hold the freerunner flat in front of you and push it forward
Nov 26 17:39:22 <Gromgull> this should register ?
Nov 26 17:39:34 <Gromgull> you can currently move the picture by tilting the thing, which is also nice
Nov 26 17:39:36 <Gromgull> but not what I wanted
Nov 26 17:39:37 <SpeedEvil> Well - the problem is that 16mg is the minimum sensitivity.
Nov 26 17:39:50 <SpeedEvil> which is 16cm/s/s
Nov 26 17:40:03 <Gromgull> right, so you have to move it pretty hard
Nov 26 17:40:04 <Gromgull> hmm
Nov 26 17:40:33 <Gromgull> and so if when I read I always get the current values, then what does sample_rate mean? 
Nov 26 17:40:33 <SpeedEvil> You can try to assume that the device is not accellerating vertically, work out what the 'down' angle is, and what your excess G is due to that.
Nov 26 17:40:59 <SpeedEvil> But that's not likely to work well as I understand it, as there is too much noise.
Nov 26 17:41:11 <Gromgull> For the time being I take a reading at the start, and assume this represents zero, i.e. you leave it lying on the table when you start...
Nov 26 17:41:14 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, it's how often the kernel polls the accels.
Nov 26 17:41:28 <Gromgull> right, so reading more often than sample_rate does not make sens
Nov 26 17:41:33 <Gromgull> e
Nov 26 17:41:58 <SpeedEvil> If you hope to be able to for example - slide it around on a table, and see what's 'under' the FR for example, then you can't do that.
Nov 26 17:42:16 <SpeedEvil> The accels are several times too noisy for that.
Nov 26 17:42:41 <SpeedEvil> Even the best ones will drift a metre in not much time at all.
Nov 26 17:42:58 <AntonTakk> really?
Nov 26 17:43:02 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 26 17:43:07 <Gromgull> bugger :) 
Nov 26 17:43:09 <SpeedEvil> 16mg is 16cm/s/s. 
Nov 26 17:43:25 <AntonTakk> makes you wonder just how usefull they can be outside of screen rotation
Nov 26 17:43:38 <SpeedEvil> that's 1m/s after only 6 seconds.
Nov 26 17:43:57 <SpeedEvil> And a position error of 3m
Nov 26 17:44:18 <SpeedEvil> (neglecting the fact there are three accels - and assuming you can't oversample out some of the noise)
Nov 26 17:44:21 <Gromgull> How good are the wii accelerometers? 
Nov 26 17:44:26 <Gromgull> are ours especially crappy? 
Nov 26 17:44:39 <SpeedEvil> Gromgull: IIRC about an order of magnitude better.
Nov 26 17:45:00 <SpeedEvil> But that takes you only to 1m after 20 seconds or so
Nov 26 17:45:13 <Gromgull> And three accels? I thought we had only two? 
Nov 26 17:45:16 <SpeedEvil> The ones in the FR are much smaller and have digital out
Nov 26 17:45:21 <SpeedEvil> 2 3 axis
Nov 26 17:45:24 <Gromgull> right
Nov 26 17:45:59 <SpeedEvil> In principle you can average the two accels.
Nov 26 17:46:20 <Gromgull> yes, i thought about this
Nov 26 17:46:23 <Gromgull> it should be pretty
Nov 26 17:46:24 <Gromgull> easy
Nov 26 17:46:27 <Gromgull> I'll try after dinner
Nov 26 17:46:30 <Gromgull> thanks for the help!
Nov 26 17:46:37 <Gromgull> it's much clearer now!
Nov 26 17:46:38 <SpeedEvil> But IIRC you get at best sqrt(2) improvement
Nov 26 17:46:43 <SpeedEvil> oh
Nov 26 17:46:44 <SpeedEvil> also 
Nov 26 17:46:48 <SpeedEvil> the page I wrote
Nov 26 17:46:50 <SpeedEvil> hangon
Nov 26 17:47:03 <Gromgull> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals ?
Nov 26 17:47:04 <Gromgull> this?
Nov 26 17:47:17 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals
Nov 26 17:47:20 <SpeedEvil> jk
Nov 26 17:47:22 <SpeedEvil> k
Nov 26 17:47:29 <Gromgull> :) 
Nov 26 17:47:31 <Gromgull> thanks
Nov 26 17:47:40 <SpeedEvil> good luck.
Nov 26 17:47:49 <SpeedEvil> And please prove me wrong by averaging and stuff :)
Nov 26 17:53:38 <jonkristian> is there a ui for bluetooth in shr, or is manually ftw! ?
Nov 26 17:53:48 <Dave> :p
Nov 26 17:54:07 <AntonTakk> doh!
Nov 26 17:55:02 <AntonTakk> need to see if i can change the default illume kb in fso m4 to automatically take 100% screen width so it gets bigger when you hold the phone in landscape
Nov 26 17:56:50 <Tig|> jonkristian: well you can turn it on with the settings app after that it is manual
Nov 26 17:57:21 <Tig|> i am having issues with the input from my bluetooth keyboard 
Nov 26 17:57:48 <Dave> :o
Nov 26 17:57:54 <Dave> Tig, you got it to work? :D
Nov 26 17:58:49 <Tig|> Dave: well it connects,  creates a device that recieves keypresses in /dev but they vanish into X and never appear
Nov 26 17:59:05 <Dave> yeah
Nov 26 17:59:10 <Dave> That's as far as I ever got too
Nov 26 17:59:18 <Dave> I heard someone got it working here, the other day :o
Nov 26 17:59:22 <Tig|> it is odd though as it used to work
Nov 26 17:59:35 <Tig|> in SHR iirc
Nov 26 17:59:39 <Tig|> not she FSO 
Nov 26 18:00:07 <Tig|> argh,  I thought I had it working in FSO before not SHR,  definately in 2007 and ASU
Nov 26 18:00:17 <Dave> :|
Nov 26 18:00:32 <Tig|> it was just a hidd --search and off it went :)
Nov 26 18:01:24 <Dave> :D
Nov 26 18:01:32 <Dave> yeah, I remember that... (the good old days) ;)
Nov 26 18:01:34 <Dave> alas
Nov 26 18:01:55 <Tig|> heh
Nov 26 18:02:17 <Tig|> at least we still have hidd,  that went at one point
Nov 26 18:03:35 <Dave> :x
Nov 26 18:06:51 <sicu> ~shr
Nov 26 18:06:53 <apt> methinks shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed.
Nov 26 18:08:07 <Dave> yeah, changed...
Nov 26 18:08:11 <Dave> for the queerer.
Nov 26 18:08:34 <milos_> has anyone saw the zzz phone? :)
Nov 26 18:08:59 <lindi-> s/saw/seen/
Nov 26 18:09:22 <Dave> zzz?
Nov 26 18:09:26 <Dave> The sleepy phone?
Nov 26 18:09:34 <Dave> sounds a bit like the freerunner on 2008
Nov 26 18:09:39 <Dave> it goes to sleep, but never wakes up :[
Nov 26 18:09:42 <sicu> haha
Nov 26 18:09:54 <Dave> SPDD
Nov 26 18:10:02 <Dave> SPDS
Nov 26 18:10:07 <Dave> Sudden Phone Death Syndrome
Nov 26 18:10:11 <Dave> it dies in its sleep :[
Nov 26 18:10:15 <Dave> poor wittle phone
Nov 26 18:10:54 <sicu> it's actually rather big
Nov 26 18:11:43 <milos_> their page is quite funny http://www.198china.com/zzzbook/
Nov 26 18:11:48 <Dave> yeah yeah ¬_¬
Nov 26 18:11:51 <Dave> hahaha china?
Nov 26 18:11:52 <milos_> it has blue tooth
Nov 26 18:11:55 <milos_> :)
Nov 26 18:12:39 <Dave> considering that webpage is just a placeholder for some flash animation... I'm never going there again.
Nov 26 18:12:56 <Dave> Plus the fact it's probably some chinese iphone ripoff, yeah.
Nov 26 18:13:12 <milos_> no, it's g1 ripoff
Nov 26 18:13:31 <Dave> oh haha
Nov 26 18:13:34 <Dave> from china?
Nov 26 18:13:37 <milos_> it has android
Nov 26 18:13:41 <milos_> yup
Nov 26 18:13:45 <milos_> 119$
Nov 26 18:13:46 <Dave> rofl
Nov 26 18:13:58 <Dave> CHINESE BE STEALIN' UR ANDROIDZ
Nov 26 18:14:03 <Dave> big bootleggin' baby!
Nov 26 18:25:04 <Tig|> odd I edited my default profile config file changed the message tone and it is still playing the old one
Nov 26 18:27:39 <Ainulindale> robtaylor?
Nov 26 18:41:46 <slaxxin> all your Androidz belongz to us
Nov 26 18:52:04 <DocScrutinizer2> i didn't dare to say...
Nov 26 18:52:41 <DocScrutinizer2> ARE belonz, btw
Nov 26 19:22:09 <Gromgull> Fun fun : http://flickr.com/photos/gromgull/3061157129/
Nov 26 19:31:55 <zerghase> Hi
Nov 26 19:46:05 <jaj> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.cvs/81283
Nov 26 19:46:33 <jaj> that makes me very happy, I need to test this ASAP
Nov 26 19:48:06 <viq> jaj: you have a FreeRunner?
Nov 26 19:48:14 <jaj> viq: yes
Nov 26 19:48:18 <viq> er
Nov 26 19:48:33 <viq> Yes, on this channel most people do ;)
Nov 26 19:48:40 <jaj> ;)
Nov 26 19:48:56 <mwester> Yes, we all come here to commiserate. :(
Nov 26 19:48:58 <viq> The proper question here would be "are you an OpenBSD user" ;)
Nov 26 19:49:05 <jaj> viq: yes ;)
Nov 26 19:50:14 <viq> Yes, I'm waiting for that port to mature too
Nov 26 19:50:27 <viq> jaj: and which distro are you using at the moment on your FR?
Nov 26 19:56:30 <jaj> viq: I have qtopia on the flash drive and debian on the SD card
Nov 26 19:56:58 <AntonTakk> mwester: if fso ms4.1 would suspend/resume properly and reliably it might just be usable as a daily phone here
Nov 26 19:57:55 <viq> Ah. I'm playing recently with SHR on the card
Nov 26 19:58:20 <AntonTakk> as it is, it can be as long as i'm not away from a power supply for to long so i don't have to suspend
Nov 26 19:59:10 <mwester> fso or shr?   (but I think they both suffer from the same problem)
Nov 26 19:59:35 <AntonTakk> fso - MS4.1 to be exact
Nov 26 20:00:12 <AntonTakk> put a little time in to applying some minor fixage to zhone and it's quite nice now
Nov 26 20:00:15 <mwester> Ok.   The WSoD or just misses the call that should wake it up?
Nov 26 20:00:41 <AntonTakk> won't unsuspend at all, no wsod, just stays black
Nov 26 20:00:49 <mwester> ooh.  ouch.
Nov 26 20:00:59 <mwester> debug board?
Nov 26 20:01:07 <AntonTakk> unfortunately, no
Nov 26 20:01:45 <mwester> ok.  so power button doesn't wake it, nor does plugging it into a host via usb?
Nov 26 20:01:53 <AntonTakk> nope
Nov 26 20:01:59 <AntonTakk> nor call
Nov 26 20:02:17 <mwester> Ok.  So really, we don't know if it even suspended, or if it won't resume. :(
Nov 26 20:02:31 <AntonTakk> interesting thing is when i called it, it didn't go right to voice mail
Nov 26 20:02:47 <AntonTakk> it acted like the fr should be ringing
Nov 26 20:03:36 <AntonTakk> well, i saw the text console as it went in to what I assumed was suspend
Nov 26 20:04:39 <AntonTakk> just tried it again and it seems to have resumed fine
Nov 26 20:04:41 <jaj> viq: have been by chance been able to successfully use dfu-util from openbsd?
Nov 26 20:04:53 <AntonTakk> maybe i was doin it wrong
Nov 26 20:05:33 <viq> jaj: no, AFAIK support for "usb reset" is missing from libusb
Nov 26 20:05:34 <mwester> Naw, I suspect there are still some bugs to be worked out.  But the thing is, they're not going to even get looked at on the current kernel; we have to switch to the newer one.  And that will be painful, with a lot of regressions.
Nov 26 20:05:35 <mwester> :(
Nov 26 20:06:21 <AntonTakk> hrm, resumed to answer the call  :)
Nov 26 20:07:02 <AntonTakk> resumed on usb plug-in
Nov 26 20:07:33 <AntonTakk> gonna let it charge up fully then suspend and see what the batt charge is like in an hour
Nov 26 20:08:41 <Kensan> mwester: hi there
Nov 26 20:09:27 <Kensan> mwester: did you read the mails about WSOD (1841)?
Nov 26 20:09:35 <mwester> yep
Nov 26 20:10:17 <Kensan> mwester: jbt driver sounds like a probable culprit imho...
Nov 26 20:10:36 <mwester> Since one assumes that Andy has access to an oven and a fridge (they have those in the UK, right? :p ) we look forward to a fix...
Nov 26 20:11:00 <Kensan> mwester: heh
Nov 26 20:11:37 <mwester> I've been married so long that my wife didn't even mention it the other day when she found the FR in our refrigerator.
Nov 26 20:11:53 <mwester> She's grown accustomed to strange things with electronics around here...
Nov 26 20:12:12 <Kensan> mwester: ah...
Nov 26 20:12:22 <jonkristian> Anybody tried the debian installer from within shr?
Nov 26 20:15:20 <jonkristian> It'll probably be no problem, but given that it says all official images should run fine, i thought i'd best to ask first:)
Nov 26 20:15:35 <bumbl> mwester: haha
Nov 26 20:19:28 <mwester> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/technology/personaltech/27pogue.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&em  <--- good read for those who wonder what sort of bar we have to meet in terms of usability for the general public.
Nov 26 20:22:08 <doc|home> heh, reading that reminded me of using the freerunner
Nov 26 20:22:12 <doc|home> the scroll stuff
Nov 26 20:22:15 <jonkristian> uhm
Nov 26 20:22:33 <doc|home> wtd, the storm doesn't have wifi?!
Nov 26 20:22:36 <mwester> :)  and the response times...
Nov 26 20:22:38 <doc|home> *wtf
Nov 26 20:22:42 <jonkristian> well, alot of the usability lies in the software, not if it's soft/hard keyboard
Nov 26 20:22:58 <jonkristian> I would guess*
Nov 26 20:23:13 <doc|home> "Freezes, abrupt reboots, nonresponsive controls, cosmetic glitches."
Nov 26 20:23:17 <doc|home> just like the freerunner!
Nov 26 20:23:22 <doc|home> we're in good company
Nov 26 20:23:25 <jonkristian> I'm not saying, because im not a developer of any kind, but I do know some things about useability.
Nov 26 20:23:34 <mwester> Yep,  and I really wonder what the reviewer would make of the on-screen keyboards (all 4,539 of them) we've had for the FR.
Nov 26 20:23:44 <doc|home> hahaha
Nov 26 20:23:45 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 26 20:24:17 <bumbl> mwester: one has to sign up
Nov 26 20:25:04 <mwester> http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0-0&fp=492dd5ab251170c3&ei=6q8tSc7SOKTMM-PgiCY&url=http%3A//www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/technology/personaltech/27pogue.html%3Fem&cid=1273925153&sig2=R7tR5JKSAeZYf3GuYv5YPg&usg=AFQjCNFnuSva-UPUJzfh05EBmclhkJgGMQ  <-- perhaps going via google works?
Nov 26 20:27:08 <bumbl> nope
Nov 26 20:30:32 <mwester> :(  Well, I certainly haven't signed up, so it must be based on something else, like where you're coming from?  Sorry...
Nov 26 20:31:11 <jonkristian> OMG
Nov 26 20:31:23 <jonkristian> My fr scared the crap out of me
Nov 26 20:31:28 <viq> ?
Nov 26 20:31:35 <jonkristian> No Sim, and it just started ringing
Nov 26 20:31:51 <jonkristian> lol
Nov 26 20:31:58 <viq> hehe
Nov 26 20:31:58 <jonkristian> alarm
Nov 26 20:32:21 * jonkristian watches too many scary movies
Nov 26 20:32:42 <mwester> I was just going to suggest that perhaps it was the spirits of the dead calling... :p
Nov 26 20:33:53 <jonkristian> I had a similar experience an hour ago, i was toothbrushing and all of a sudden my flat-mate stood behind me in there, newly awaken :O
Nov 26 20:34:35 <jonkristian> Tired face, black hair and black t-shirt, i jumped:D
Nov 26 20:39:09 <APz> I see a great opporturnity for a practical joke.
Nov 26 20:39:40 <APz> if the software notices there's no sim, it could randomly act like there was an incoming call, and if the call is answered, it could play back something scary
Nov 26 20:43:18 <apol> what is the qt extended state on openmoko?
Nov 26 20:45:18 <robtaylor> Ainulindale: ?
Nov 26 21:23:57 <slaxxin> jonkristion   iv tried to installl debian on sdcard 3 times   an fail is what happened
Nov 26 21:28:18 <Sargun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS Should FIC be changed to OpenMoko?
Nov 26 21:34:01 <AntonTakk> 49 hours in suspend, horible, as phones go, but "good enough" for now
Nov 26 21:34:58 <AntonTakk> roughly estimated
Nov 26 21:36:52 <slaxxin> whisk os u have anton
Nov 26 21:37:07 <slaxxin> shr
Nov 26 21:38:21 <AntonTakk> fso ms4.1
Nov 26 21:38:53 <slaxxin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gollum-OpenMoko.jpg
Nov 26 21:39:33 <AntonTakk> hehe  nice
Nov 26 21:42:10 <nemik> where are the latest FSO images to be downloaded?
Nov 26 21:42:26 <slaxxin> hows everything in fso 4.1?
Nov 26 21:42:35 <slaxxin> nov 20
Nov 26 21:42:54 <slaxxin> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/?C=M;O=D
Nov 26 21:43:11 <Tig|_> does anyone know how the SHR new text message notification works? 
Nov 26 21:43:17 <nemik> thanks slaxxin 
Nov 26 21:43:42 <Tig|_> as I have found a bug but not sure how to dig out more info on it
Nov 26 21:45:34 <AntonTakk> nemik: and with three one line additions to zhone you can have it switching to the active call screen like it should :)
Nov 26 21:45:52 <AntonTakk> well, two, and the third returns to the main menu when you end a call
Nov 26 21:46:11 <nemik> oh nice
Nov 26 21:46:23 <nemik> i haven't tried a non-illume image yet, i'll see how it works
Nov 26 21:47:30 <AntonTakk> the normal fso image has illume, it just also has zhone, which it starts automatically once x/e are up
Nov 26 21:47:52 <nemik> ah ok
Nov 26 21:48:25 <AntonTakk> zhone is just a phone app, like the qtopia apps all rolled in to a single python script
Nov 26 21:48:52 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r327 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Update test application
Nov 26 21:50:42 <timur> hey guys, anyone know if/where hotshot.py is in the repo/
Nov 26 21:50:43 <timur> ?
Nov 26 22:01:07 <mmaestri> hi
Nov 26 22:05:43 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07zhone * r605686fc96d1 10/ (data/themes/toby/zhone_call.edc src/zhone): Show the name from the phonebook (in addition to the number) during call
Nov 26 22:06:18 <slaxxin> welll i hope 4.1fso is better than the other
Nov 26 22:06:35 <kd8ikt> cant say i've tried it yet
Nov 26 22:06:54 <slaxxin> shr for the past 2 weeks
Nov 26 22:07:05 <kd8ikt> me2
Nov 26 22:07:05 <AntonTakk> slaxxin: with minor mods to zhone i can make and receive calls and sms and suspend reliably
Nov 26 22:07:16 <kd8ikt> nice
Nov 26 22:07:24 <kd8ikt> hat kernel?
Nov 26 22:07:24 <slaxxin> its on the wiki right?
Nov 26 22:07:45 <AntonTakk> kd8ikt: the one that is with the ms4.1 rootfs
Nov 26 22:07:55 <AntonTakk> slaxxin: no, the fso trac
Nov 26 22:07:56 <kd8ikt> ok
Nov 26 22:08:29 <slaxxin> i have only had 1 sms work correctly in all the time i have been doing this
Nov 26 22:09:35 <kd8ikt> i wish i could attach screenshots too
Nov 26 22:09:49 <AntonTakk> slaxxin: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/258
Nov 26 22:09:59 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r4826 10/developers/werner/bin/lab4: 
Nov 26 22:09:59 <CIA-24> openmoko: Rearranging my desktop ... put console window on top. ttyACMx is on its
Nov 26 22:09:59 <CIA-24> openmoko: way out anyway.
Nov 26 22:10:22 <kd8ikt> nice does that work now?
Nov 26 22:10:40 <AntonTakk> kd8ikt: i been using it today
Nov 26 22:10:59 <AntonTakk> made and received a call last night and then again this morning w/o reboot or poweroff
Nov 26 22:11:14 <kd8ikt> heh i remember having to goto contacts click call and wait a bit then swap to dialer and you could see the in progress call
Nov 26 22:11:23 <AntonTakk> had it plugged in to usb all night to charge
Nov 26 22:11:38 <AntonTakk> kd8ikt: that's one of the ones I fixed
Nov 26 22:11:47 <kd8ikt> nice
Nov 26 22:12:45 <AntonTakk> place a call from dialer or contacts > activate call and go to active call screen, hang up > release call and go to main menu
Nov 26 22:14:17 <kd8ikt> http://tinyurl.com/5nxtel
Nov 26 22:15:48 <slaxxin> how to make the modifications?
Nov 26 22:16:38 <anttna> Gromgull: {Fun fun : http://flickr.com/photos/gromgull/3061157129/} are you making a fixie from a freewheel?
Nov 26 22:17:38 <AntonTakk> slaxxin: look at the diff in the trac, add the green lines to zhone with vi
Nov 26 22:17:49 <slaxxin> ok
Nov 26 22:18:03 <AntonTakk> it's only three lines, after all
Nov 26 22:20:42 <slaxxin> /etc/zhone?
Nov 26 22:20:49 <slaxxin> i dont know
Nov 26 22:20:52 <AntonTakk> /usr/bin/zhone
Nov 26 22:20:56 <slaxxin> ok
Nov 26 22:20:57 <AntonTakk> which zhone
Nov 26 22:20:58 <Gromgull> anttna: I am trying :) 
Nov 26 22:20:58 <slaxxin> thanks
Nov 26 22:21:10 <EtienneG> he there
Nov 26 22:21:17 <kd8ikt> what those lines arent there ?
Nov 26 22:21:39 <AntonTakk> kd8ikt: nope, thats why they need added
Nov 26 22:21:48 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 26 22:22:06 <EtienneG> just installed Qt-Extended 4.4.2 on my FR ... is Bluetooth, Wifi and GPS working on that distribution?
Nov 26 22:23:46 <anttna> Gromgull: 	anttna: I am trying :). I don't think that would be very safe!. Have you ever had a rear wheel lock on a fixie? 
Nov 26 22:24:17 <Gromgull> You locking the readwheel with your feet? 
Nov 26 22:24:21 <Gromgull> eh
Nov 26 22:24:22 <Gromgull> rearwheel
Nov 26 22:24:51 <Gromgull> the issue being that the lockring may unscrew if you lock the wheel?
Nov 26 22:25:10 <kd8ikt> i musta missed the previous conversation
Nov 26 22:25:21 <kd8ikt> cause thats over my head
Nov 26 22:26:18 <Tig|_> EtienneG: not an expert on qt extended but I did not think they had working wifi or bluetooth (no image has a decent gui bluetooth system yet)
Nov 26 22:26:58 <Tig|_> there is a GPS app for QT extended in the wiki but not used it
Nov 26 22:28:05 <kd8ikt> finnaly got a sandisk
Nov 26 22:28:31 <AntonTakk> yeah, i'll need a good sized usd is i'm gonna start using the fr full time
Nov 26 22:28:45 <kd8ikt> 2GB (traded my junk 4GB) that om didnt like
Nov 26 22:28:56 <AntonTakk> i was thinking 8
Nov 26 22:29:18 <kd8ikt> that'd be nice too 
Nov 26 22:30:28 <anttna> Gromgull: say if your chain comes off and locks in between the frame and sprocket: not cook if your blasting through traffic etc. Not a skid on purpose - very scary and maybe letha
Nov 26 22:31:02 <Gromgull> anttna: but this is equally dangerous on a fixie with a proper fixie hub?
Nov 26 22:31:14 <Gromgull> i.e. with a reverse threaded lockring
Nov 26 22:32:07 <anttna> Gromgull: yes but i just don't like the idea of a home made fixed sprocket. Have you read sheldon's page on this?
Nov 26 22:32:29 <Gromgull> yes, he brazed his 
Nov 26 22:32:44 <Gromgull> that's how I realised that this could work 
Nov 26 22:33:36 <AntonTakk> kd8ikt: i think another big usage improvement would be if the illume kb layouts expanded to take advantage of having more screen realestate in landscape
Nov 26 22:34:30 <anttna> Gromgull>	yes, he brazed his. OK my mistake I remembered (thought) his page saying it was a no no. my fault 
Nov 26 22:34:46 <Gromgull> anttna: http://sheldonbrown.org/bass/index-one.html
Nov 26 22:34:48 <Gromgull> yes
Nov 26 22:34:49 <kd8ikt> i agree
Nov 26 22:34:56 <Gromgull> he says it's a bit dodgy and the brazing came apart later
Nov 26 22:35:00 <Gromgull> but then it just starts coasting
Nov 26 22:35:01 <mmaestri> i'm having networking issues, my fr cannot connect to the internet via my laptop. i'm using shr
Nov 26 22:35:03 <Gromgull> and no harm is done
Nov 26 22:35:21 <Gromgull> I do not rely on skid-braking anyway... i have a front brake for this
Nov 26 22:35:34 <kd8ikt> ifdown usb0; ifup usb0?
Nov 26 22:35:40 <mmaestri> my lan is on the range 192.168.0.x and I cannot change it because of my shitty router
Nov 26 22:36:06 <mmaestri> kd8ikt: i can connect to the fr via ssh
Nov 26 22:36:11 <kd8ikt> [###################
Nov 26 22:36:20 <kd8ikt> (i'm flashing)
Nov 26 22:36:40 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 26 22:37:08 <quatrox> AntonTakk: some people (like me) prefer the keyboard the way it is now. Therefore it would be a good solution to make it easy to swap orientation with the aux btn
Nov 26 22:37:33 <kd8ikt> whats aux do now?
Nov 26 22:37:40 <quatrox> nothing
Nov 26 22:37:52 <kd8ikt> blasphemy
Nov 26 22:39:05 <Tig|_> heh
Nov 26 22:39:09 <quatrox> well, in SHR, the aux btn event is not used to anything
Nov 26 22:39:27 <kd8ikt> i had mine as a backlight lock button 
Nov 26 22:39:31 <sicu> mmaestri: if you have both in the same range, try this --> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 up; route del 192.168.0.0/24 usb0; route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw usb0
Nov 26 22:39:41 <kd8ikt> so i couldnt wake it from touching the pad only aux
Nov 26 22:40:59 <AntonTakk> quatrox: why do you prefer having the kb squashed in the center with blank space on the sides?
Nov 26 22:41:15 <AntonTakk> just curious
Nov 26 22:41:52 <anttna> Gromgull: i have a front brake for this, then you'll go faster. Hey i'll stop talking off topic incase it is annoying others. Be safe :)
Nov 26 22:41:57 <mmaestri> sicu
Nov 26 22:42:34 <mmaestri> when I do route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw usb0 it says "host unknown"
Nov 26 22:42:43 <quatrox> AntonTakk: I don't. I guess I misunderstood. I meant that the total area used for the keyboard (including the free space), is big enough.
Nov 26 22:43:13 <Gromgull> anttna: thanks! Some day we'll find a topic that intersects fixie/openmoko :)
Nov 26 22:44:06 <quatrox> AntonTakk: and the 'q' button should not be moved closer to the edge
Nov 26 22:44:14 <AntonTakk> quatrox: ah, i'm talking only when th phone is on it's side (landscape) i think it would be great if the keys would expand a bit and spread out to have some dead space BETWEEN then instead of around them, i think it would make it much easier to type an sms for instance
Nov 26 22:44:30 <quatrox> because then it would be very difficult to use fingers
Nov 26 22:44:51 <quatrox> ahh
Nov 26 22:44:53 <quatrox> ok
Nov 26 22:45:00 <quatrox> I never tried that
Nov 26 22:45:08 <anttna> Gromgull: well i want to do some open street mapping on my bike so a nice bike mount would be nice :), or maybe saving a picture from a helmet cam. But i'm not sure this would be possible
Nov 26 22:45:09 <^wd^> mmaestri, gw specifies nexthop IP
Nov 26 22:45:36 <mmaestri> yes, i just did what sicu said
Nov 26 22:45:37 <Gromgull> Helmet USB cam attached to the moko on the handlebars? :) 
Nov 26 22:45:40 <^wd^> mmaestri, dev for device, but its must be auto
Nov 26 22:46:02 <mmaestri> ...and then checked that it was wrong
Nov 26 22:46:21 <anttna> Gromgull: yip
Nov 26 22:46:23 <Gromgull> anttna: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2008/08/11/an-openmoko-bike-ride
Nov 26 22:46:24 <^wd^> mmaestri, ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 up
Nov 26 22:46:25 <Gromgull> there is this
Nov 26 22:46:34 <^wd^> on desktop
Nov 26 22:46:51 <^wd^> and try ping 192.168.0.202
Nov 26 22:46:58 <anttna> Gromgull: good on ye
Nov 26 22:47:08 <Gromgull> that's not mine though!
Nov 26 22:47:24 <mmaestri> ^wd^:  already up, and ping works
Nov 26 22:47:35 <mmaestri> i'm connected via ssh to the fr
Nov 26 22:47:41 <mmaestri> that's not a problem
Nov 26 22:47:46 <^wd^> ouch
Nov 26 22:47:53 <^wd^> what the problem?
Nov 26 22:48:02 <mmaestri> my problem is, I cannot connect to the internet via my laptop
Nov 26 22:48:16 <mmaestri> through usb connection
Nov 26 22:48:17 <quatrox> AntonTakk: I just tried the keyboard in landscape mode and agree with you:)
Nov 26 22:48:23 <^wd^> on fr by default gw over 192.168.0.200
Nov 26 22:48:23 <Tig|_> really should we not be looking at a BT image transfer to the FR#
Nov 26 22:48:40 <^wd^> is it exist?
Nov 26 22:49:06 <^wd^> on desktop enabled ip_forwarding and may be nat ?
Nov 26 22:49:13 <mmaestri> yes
Nov 26 22:49:38 <mmaestri> the thing is, i've tried other images before, and never had this problem
Nov 26 22:49:46 <mmaestri> it happened with shr
Nov 26 22:49:57 <quatrox> kd8ikt: how did you configure the aux btn to act like a backlight switch?
Nov 26 22:50:17 <^wd^> what if u ping far ip from fr?
Nov 26 22:50:25 <lindi-> Tig|_: btw image transfer?
Nov 26 22:50:42 <mmaestri> ^wd^: like google's ip?
Nov 26 22:50:47 <kd8ikt> it was kinda default
Nov 26 22:50:50 <^wd^> yes
Nov 26 22:51:27 <mmaestri> it says network is unreachable
Nov 26 22:52:06 <^wd^> ping far ip of ur desktop ?
Nov 26 22:52:14 <^wd^> inet interface
Nov 26 22:52:23 <quatrox> kd8ikt: ahh... now I know what you mean... well - it could do something more. Double push, push-hold, etc,
Nov 26 22:52:44 <mmaestri> you say my public ip?
Nov 26 22:52:52 <Tig|_> mmaestri: idiotic mistake should be BT transfer from the camera to the transmission device
Nov 26 22:53:10 <quatrox> I miss the power btn menu we had in OM2007.2 - OM2008.8
Nov 26 22:53:18 <^wd^> if ur public ip on host which has usb0 with 192.168.0.200
Nov 26 22:53:41 <Tig|_> quatrox: atually that was handy
Nov 26 22:54:28 <Tig|_> quatrox:  I think the reasons that the devs are shying away from that kind thing is that that it ties it to specific hardware
Nov 26 22:54:39 <quatrox> mmaestri: what is your current setup? FR->Linux PC->Internet?
Nov 26 22:55:21 * jonkristian just got bt audio streaming working on the laptop, one down, one to go.
Nov 26 22:55:25 <mmaestri> quatrox: yes
Nov 26 22:55:30 <quatrox> Tig|_: All devices has one btn, no?
Nov 26 22:55:48 <mmaestri> with a router between internet and my linux pc
Nov 26 22:55:49 <lindi-> jonkristian: with bt headset?
Nov 26 22:55:51 <Tig|_> but it may be adressed as many things
Nov 26 22:55:53 <quatrox> mmaestri: and the linux pc can connect to internet?
Nov 26 22:56:19 <quatrox> mmaestri: I can send you the script I use:)
Nov 26 22:56:34 <AntonTakk> quatrox: i think a 4x10 layout similar to my htc herald could work nicely in landscape, if the keys were sized right spaced well
Nov 26 22:57:29 <AntonTakk> no single character being more than two button presses
Nov 26 22:57:39 <Tig|_> quatrox: they are trying to avoid hardcoding stuff to specific devices as really they are at a 1.0 stable stage
Nov 26 22:57:57 <Tig|_> they are NOT at
Nov 26 22:58:15 <mmaestri> quatrox: please...
Nov 26 22:58:29 <quatrox> mmaestri: on the linux host: wget http://om.quatrox.org/om/fr_usb.sh
Nov 26 22:58:34 <mmaestri> yes, i'm on that connection
Nov 26 22:59:08 <jonkristian> lindi-: this one, http://www.clasohlson.no/Product/Product.aspx?id=28982690
Nov 26 22:59:34 <jonkristian> lindi-: with my akg headset i have pretty amazing sound quality.
Nov 26 22:59:43 <AntonTakk> raster: sorry to bother, but would the illume kb layout rules allow for custom or dynamic key size/spacing?
Nov 26 23:00:04 <jonkristian> now if i can just get this thing paired on the freerunner, i guess ill wait 'til debian is installed;)
Nov 26 23:00:55 <jonkristian> lindi-: You can plug-in whatever into that dongle there, sorta like the one from SE
Nov 26 23:01:24 <raster> AntonTakk: can you be more detailed in what you want?
Nov 26 23:01:54 <sicu> quatrox: mmaestri has both his FR and laptop in the same range / private subnet
Nov 26 23:02:11 <AntonTakk> raster: like if the screen goes from vertical to landscape, could they keys perhaps space out a little more to take advantage of the extra width
Nov 26 23:02:14 <quatrox> sicu: aha
Nov 26 23:02:44 <^wd^> then better way - bridge usb0 and eth0
Nov 26 23:03:04 <quatrox> or add an iptables rule for it
Nov 26 23:03:19 <^wd^> ugly
Nov 26 23:03:26 <sicu> mmaestri: if the script didn't work for you, try to have a look here and see what works for you: http://jthinks.com/better-freerunner-networking
Nov 26 23:03:29 <^wd^> but its way
Nov 26 23:03:50 <quatrox> well, bridge requires kernel support... not sure if he needs to recompile
Nov 26 23:04:10 <raster> AntonTakk: as such - no.
Nov 26 23:04:12 <quatrox> iptables should be enabled by default
Nov 26 23:04:25 <raster> as keys are described relative to a virtual vkbd region
Nov 26 23:04:30 <raster> and on rotate there are 2 choices
Nov 26 23:04:38 <raster> keep that region and scale to aspect ratio
Nov 26 23:04:44 <mmaestri> root@om-gta02 ~ $ ping google.com ping: bad address 'google.com' root@om-gta02 ~ $  
Nov 26 23:04:44 <raster> or expand it and use even more screne space
Nov 26 23:04:52 <raster> right nwo rotate handling has a few bugs anyway
Nov 26 23:05:15 <AntonTakk> ah, so that would require an option to break aspect ratio
Nov 26 23:05:17 <^wd^> mmaestri, ofcouse if u cat route - u cant resolve
Nov 26 23:05:35 <^wd^> s/cat/cant/
Nov 26 23:05:35 <apt> ^wd^ meant: mmaestri, ofcouse if u cant route - u cant resolve
Nov 26 23:06:49 <AntonTakk> raster: what about doing a layout specifically for landscape orientation? and just let it be nearly useless in portrate? is that possible?
Nov 26 23:08:03 <EtienneG> I found an online repository that is still live for 2007.2 at buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2 ... is the guy operating it known to be reliable?
Nov 26 23:08:22 <quatrox> mmaestri: did you try to adjust your netmask?
Nov 26 23:08:26 <mmaestri> ^wd^: still the same thing
Nov 26 23:08:48 <mmaestri> no i didn't touched the netmask, i'm using the script now
Nov 26 23:08:54 <mmaestri> and still nothing
Nov 26 23:08:56 <quatrox> it will not work
Nov 26 23:08:57 <sicu> mmaestri: still the same after bridging ?
Nov 26 23:09:31 <quatrox> mmaestri: the script I sent you needs some adjustments
Nov 26 23:09:31 <AntonTakk> welp, night all
Nov 26 23:09:54 <quatrox> mmaestry: try bridging or adjust the netmask and routing table
Nov 26 23:10:08 <quatrox> * mmaestri 
Nov 26 23:10:57 <^wd^> mmaestri, if u use same segment - why don change fr link to other?
Nov 26 23:11:32 <sicu> mmaestri: if your default route out is eth0, then bridge eth0 and usb0 with --> brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0;brctl addif br0 usb0;ip l s br0 up  <--  Your freerunner would then appear on the LAN ‘directly’, be part of DHCP on the LAN
Nov 26 23:12:16 <^wd^> and reconfigure br0 as was eth0 before
Nov 26 23:12:40 <^wd^> u mayb lose inet for time
Nov 26 23:13:57 <mmaestri> ^wd^: i was thinking on change the fr - pc segment
Nov 26 23:14:15 <^wd^> on fr: ifconfig utf0:1 10.0.0.1 up
Nov 26 23:14:39 <^wd^> on desk: ifconfig usb0 10.0.0.2 up
Nov 26 23:14:49 <^wd^> s/utf/usb/ ofcouse :)
Nov 26 23:14:50 <kd8ikt> wow still having networking issues
Nov 26 23:14:56 <kd8ikt> myg0t
Nov 26 23:15:20 <quatrox> hmm
Nov 26 23:15:22 <mmaestri> kd8ikt: blame it on the latest shr...others worked like a charm to me
Nov 26 23:16:05 <^wd^> btw, about network... anyone tryed to bond eth0 usb0 and pneb0 ? :)
Nov 26 23:16:08 <Gromgull> python-opengl on the freerunner anyone? 
Nov 26 23:16:57 <kd8ikt> hm
Nov 26 23:17:09 <quatrox> this made me think that the FR should have an alias by default (usb0 and usb0:0) in a different sub net
Nov 26 23:17:13 <quatrox> in the distro
Nov 26 23:17:49 <kd8ikt> i need to start partitioning my 2GB decisions decisions
Nov 26 23:17:51 <^wd^> if it has terminal and vkeyb - no :)
Nov 26 23:18:12 <^wd^> but it she good idea
Nov 26 23:18:19 <mmaestri> i should go for a while now, when i come back i'll try your latest advices. hope it works...thanks everyone
Nov 26 23:18:27 <^wd^> is is
Nov 26 23:18:56 <quatrox> *it is*
Nov 26 23:18:59 <quatrox> :P
Nov 26 23:19:02 <lindi-> kd8ikt: 8M /boot and rest for /? ;)
Nov 26 23:19:38 <kd8ikt> swap be worth it?
Nov 26 23:19:39 <^wd^> quatrox, mb and usb0:1 with dhclient on int when its up? :)
Nov 26 23:19:48 <^wd^> on it
Nov 26 23:20:03 <^wd^> so many beer :)
Nov 26 23:20:41 <lindi-> kd8ikt: add swap file if you really need it later
Nov 26 23:21:15 <quatrox> is there a graphical way to enable BT in SHR?
Nov 26 23:21:56 <lindi-> quatrox: can't you just add a menu entry and then you have graphics?
Nov 26 23:22:10 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf7a6730579ac 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: bring SINGLELINE and MUXED4LINE up to speed again
Nov 26 23:23:00 <quatrox> lindi-: menu entry to what? You mean just write a simple script and create a menu link for it?
Nov 26 23:23:07 <quatrox> sure
Nov 26 23:23:28 <lindi-> quatrox: menu entry to enabling bt
Nov 26 23:23:38 <lindi-> quatrox: doesn't even need a script
Nov 26 23:24:15 <quatrox> hmm
Nov 26 23:24:31 <^wd^> i think need some usefull gui for any network config
Nov 26 23:25:22 <quatrox> lindi-: I will look around... I am not sure how to do things without using scripts, but I think I figure it out
Nov 26 23:26:41 <quatrox> grrrr
Nov 26 23:26:55 <^wd^> quatrox, scripts under gui
Nov 26 23:27:13 <^wd^> and configurable common configs
Nov 26 23:27:21 <^wd^> by icons
Nov 26 23:27:31 <quatrox> sounds nice
Nov 26 23:28:06 <quatrox> when I woke up my fr from suspend, only half the screen size where used
Nov 26 23:28:25 <quatrox> and it had a high freq. sound
Nov 26 23:28:27 <quatrox> not good
Nov 26 23:28:41 <mwester> Add to the WSoD bug
Nov 26 23:29:14 <mwester> #1841 -- sounds like it might be related (and important)
Nov 26 23:29:42 <^wd^> wsod? sounds like in times whe be300 was everywere :)
Nov 26 23:30:06 <mwester> White Screen of Death
Nov 26 23:30:21 <^wd^> yeah yeah :)
Nov 26 23:31:21 <^wd^> be300 - it was very hackable cassiopea on wince
Nov 26 23:31:23 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5bef0c8608b1 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): cosmetics
Nov 26 23:36:32 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r4827 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/experiment-s3cmci-suspend-softly.patch: 
Nov 26 23:36:32 <CIA-24> openmoko: Surprise, readl is not good at setting registers.
Nov 26 23:36:32 <CIA-24> openmoko: Also disable interrupts during surgery.
Nov 26 23:42:24 <dent> sigh... I did an update on SHR
Nov 26 23:42:38 <dent> and it seems ho have broken all that worked
Nov 26 23:46:02 <dent> also the update changed the shelf clock and battery gadgets into something ugly (imho, that is)
Nov 26 23:46:22 <dent> is there any way (apart from downgrade) to get those old battery and clock gadgets back?
Nov 26 23:50:12 <Gromgull> Can someone tell me what git branch to use with the MokoMakefile to match the testing packages?
Nov 26 23:50:55 <jonkristian> lindi-: :)
Nov 26 23:52:21 <quatrox> hmm... stupid question: I can view a ticket and I can create a new one... but I cannot figure out how to add something to one that already exists....
Nov 27 00:02:42 <quatrox> mwester: I don't know how to add something to a bug report
Nov 27 00:03:55 <quatrox> mwester: I logged in and I can view the report (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841)
Nov 27 00:04:09 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r4828 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/experiment-s3cmci-suspend-softly.patch: Final backup before splitting it.
Nov 27 00:11:55 <quatrox> ahh - missed the e-mail validation because of my filters...
Nov 27 00:27:22 <nomeata> Hi. Has anyone here used mumpot before?
Nov 27 00:33:26 <kd8ikt> pot?
Nov 27 00:35:00 <slaxxin> welp  fso up a running zhone
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Nov 27 01:30:42 <kd8ikt> just installed debian
Nov 27 01:31:25 <slaxxin> from shr?
Nov 27 01:31:29 <kd8ikt> nice but its wsoding me on backlight resume
Nov 27 01:31:38 <kd8ikt> ugh fso actually
Nov 27 01:31:53 <kd8ikt> m41
Nov 27 01:32:13 <kd8ikt> both are wsoding me ;(
Nov 27 01:32:45 <kd8ikt> so i'm going to... edit some configs and possibly change kernels and see how that works
Nov 27 01:36:59 <kd8ikt> like the lil "topshelf" it has
Nov 27 01:37:06 <kd8ikt> (debian)
Nov 27 01:47:52 <kd8ikt> rootfs                1.9G  321M  1.5G  18% /    ;D
Nov 27 01:48:21 <kd8ikt> melike having space
Nov 27 01:58:07 <raster> god debian is still fat
Nov 27 01:59:08 <kd8ikt> and getting bigger 
Nov 27 01:59:24 <kd8ikt> i installed nano ;)
Nov 27 02:00:15 <kd8ikt> and told frameworkd to forget about idle_lock idle idle_dim
Nov 27 02:00:18 <kd8ikt> etc
Nov 27 02:00:34 <raster> :(
Nov 27 02:03:31 <jonkristian> I must say, debian with xfce and escpecially tangogps feels smoother than on shr.
Nov 27 02:03:45 <jonkristian> Well, I mustn't, but I did.
Nov 27 02:07:14 <kd8ikt> (raster)illumme ?
Nov 27 02:09:01 <kd8ikt> whats the jffs2 partition? mtd6?
Nov 27 02:09:10 <raster> ?
Nov 27 02:09:17 <kd8ikt> i vant to mount it
Nov 27 02:09:31 <raster> check mount
Nov 27 02:09:57 <kd8ikt>  mount /mnt/flash/
Nov 27 02:09:58 <kd8ikt> yay
Nov 27 02:10:16 <kd8ikt> i hardly had to do anything ;)
Nov 27 02:12:38 <jonkristian> kd8ikt: what u running on deb?
Nov 27 02:13:27 <kd8ikt> fresh install
Nov 27 02:13:43 <kd8ikt> like 20min ago
Nov 27 02:13:51 <slaxxin> Because dpkg, the Debian package manager, does not support non-POSIX
Nov 27 02:13:51 <slaxxin> filesystems, the Debian kernel package can not be installed.  More
Nov 27 02:13:51 <slaxxin> information are available at http://bugs.debian.org/315493.
Nov 27 02:14:06 <jonkristian> ah, me too
Nov 27 02:14:06 <KenYoung> raster, Do you have time for a question?
Nov 27 02:14:21 <raster> KenYoung:  sure
Nov 27 02:14:48 <slaxxin> yea the top shelf in debian is too cool
Nov 27 02:15:09 <KenYoung> raster, Thanks.   On the Freerunner, what would be the fastest way to move a small number (9) of small images (roughly 25x25 pixels) around the display?
Nov 27 02:15:41 <kd8ikt> orrery?
Nov 27 02:15:49 <KenYoung> kd8ikt, Yup.
Nov 27 02:15:55 <kd8ikt> :)
Nov 27 02:16:18 <raster> KenYoung:  solid rectangles
Nov 27 02:16:28 <raster> with alpha?
Nov 27 02:16:37 <KenYoung> raster, Dirty rectangles method?
Nov 27 02:16:57 <raster> do they overlap?
Nov 27 02:17:05 <raster> are the images solid
Nov 27 02:17:11 <raster> or do they have an alpha channel
Nov 27 02:17:16 <raster> that was my q
Nov 27 02:17:16 <raster> :)
Nov 27 02:17:20 <KenYoung> raster, No, no overlas, solid rectangles.
Nov 27 02:17:28 <KenYoung> (no overlaps)
Nov 27 02:17:32 <raster> if you want the absolute fastest way i need to find your constraints
Nov 27 02:17:37 <raster> ok
Nov 27 02:17:42 <raster> do the images ever overlap eachother?
Nov 27 02:17:54 <KenYoung> raster, Nope, never.
Nov 27 02:18:02 <raster> then XCopyArea
Nov 27 02:18:12 <raster> draw them to the window once
Nov 27 02:18:27 <raster> the XCopyArea rectangles of the window around
Nov 27 02:18:32 <KenYoung> raster, OK, that's straight-forward and I understand it.   Thanks!
Nov 27 02:18:48 <kd8ikt> but alpha blending snds pretty cool
Nov 27 02:18:50 <raster> wont get too much faster than that - on the glamo
Nov 27 02:18:53 <raster> as that will be accelerated
Nov 27 02:19:03 <raster> if you had them overlap
Nov 27 02:19:24 <raster> then you'd want to just draw to a backing pixmap with dirty rects covering all the "Changed regions"
Nov 27 02:19:32 <raster> and then xcopyarea to the frontbuffer
Nov 27 02:19:36 <KenYoung> raster, OK,  I thought there might be some way to load them into glamo memory and have it move them around, or some other exotic thing.
Nov 27 02:19:37 <raster> (window)
Nov 27 02:19:45 <raster> yes
Nov 27 02:19:46 <raster> pixmaps
Nov 27 02:19:50 <raster> thats what pixmaps are
Nov 27 02:19:59 <raster> but the window is in video ram anyway
Nov 27 02:20:08 <raster> so you copy from video raom to video ram
Nov 27 02:20:11 <raster> with an xcopyarea
Nov 27 02:20:18 <raster> no intermediate copies or draws
Nov 27 02:20:28 <raster> no temporary buffers
Nov 27 02:20:40 <KenYoung> raster, Great - I didn't realiz]e the pixmaps resided there.
Nov 27 02:21:31 <KenYoung> What happens if the glamo runs out of memory for pixmaps.   That certainly won't happen with my tiny images, but what if a lot of clients request big pixmaps and the glamo runs out of memory?
Nov 27 02:22:13 <raster> pixmaps reside in video ram if:
Nov 27 02:22:36 <slaxxin> ./install.sh all
Nov 27 02:22:52 <raster> 1. you have enough spare video ram for them. x will keep what it thinks is the most "commonly used" pixmaps in video ram - ones that dont fit will move to system ram (and move back to video ram) as/when/if needed and x decides its a good idea
Nov 27 02:23:30 <raster> 2. nothing else has stolen video ram (eg opengl) and forces the pixmaps to move out
Nov 27 02:23:53 <raster> so if it runs out - x will try its best to keep a working set in there
Nov 27 02:23:58 <raster> but you're out of video ram
Nov 27 02:23:59 <raster> too bad
Nov 27 02:24:05 <raster> you suffer the perfromance penalties
Nov 27 02:24:06 <raster> like
Nov 27 02:24:13 <raster> "what happoens if i'm out of ram"
Nov 27 02:24:18 <raster> you swap to disk
Nov 27 02:24:20 <raster> and get slow
Nov 27 02:24:21 <raster> :)
Nov 27 02:24:36 <raster> any number of x clients can be using video ram
Nov 27 02:24:40 <raster> so its not just up to you
Nov 27 02:26:27 <raster> it all depends on what you do, the constraints and your desire for doing more stuff in future
Nov 27 02:28:13 <KenYoung> raster, Thanks again for the info.
Nov 27 02:28:19 <raster> np
Nov 27 02:34:00 <kd8ikt> i bet i know what slaxxin is doing
Nov 27 02:34:20 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 27 02:35:30 <slaxxin> trying to do
Nov 27 02:36:19 <slaxxin> so when i did install.sh all   i didnt get the error
Nov 27 02:36:44 <slaxxin> Because dpkg, the Debian package manager, does not support non-POSIX
Nov 27 02:36:44 <slaxxin> <slaxxin> filesystems, the Debian kernel package can not be installed.  More
Nov 27 02:36:44 <slaxxin> <slaxxin> information are available at http://bugs.debian.org/315493.
Nov 27 02:37:37 <kd8ikt> oh
Nov 27 02:37:51 <kd8ikt> mkfs.ext2 
Nov 27 02:37:59 <Sargun> Dave.
Nov 27 02:38:43 <kd8ikt> SD_PART1_FS=ext2 ./install.sh  
Nov 27 02:38:57 <slaxxin> yea but i get those errors
Nov 27 02:39:09 <kd8ikt> shouldnt this time
Nov 27 02:39:20 <slaxxin> oo
Nov 27 02:39:52 <kd8ikt> later go back and copy/backup then reformat it to vfat to boot it
Nov 27 02:40:04 <jonkristian> i just did ./install.sh all
Nov 27 02:40:25 <kd8ikt> funny cause when i did that it made both partitions ext
Nov 27 02:40:40 <jonkristian> and that is bad because?
Nov 27 02:41:08 <kd8ikt> u-boot recognises vfat+ext 
Nov 27 02:41:16 <kd8ikt> on my bootloader prompt atleast
Nov 27 02:46:19 <jonkristian> ah, i added ext2
Nov 27 02:52:02 <slaxxin> how to add et2 jonkristion
Nov 27 02:52:09 <slaxxin> ext2?
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