**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 27 02:59:57 2008 Nov 27 03:05:02 wow and debians missing a crapload Nov 27 03:05:15 ntp wireless-tools wpa_supplicant Nov 27 03:07:05 upgrade yet? Nov 27 03:07:16 might be dangerous Nov 27 03:07:28 everything is already newest Nov 27 03:07:36 o Nov 27 03:08:41 navit on there? Nov 27 03:16:22 tried hackable1 yet? Nov 27 03:16:41 debian with polish Nov 27 04:28:05 latest testing om wont boot at all Nov 27 04:53:25 latest shr? Nov 27 04:53:50 the time was 2100 Nov 27 04:54:13 baybe it was modified from earlier today Nov 27 05:00:13 well it was daily rootfs an a testing kernel Nov 27 06:23:11 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r725254e88702 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update to the latest stable kernel Nov 27 06:23:11 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r6c07171823f3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update to latest qtopia for #1610 Nov 27 06:25:13 Sarguns. Nov 27 08:03:55 Does anyone know their way around bitbake? Seems the smeg package is broken, smpeg has moved from CVS to SVN Nov 27 08:04:08 i've updated the URL but the folder now ends up named trunk and not smpeg Nov 27 08:14:43 good morning Nov 27 08:16:54 Gromgull: I think that's a subversion question. If you have url "http://some/project" that will check out to project. "http://some/project/trunk" will check out to trunk. "http://some/project/trunk somename" will check out to somename. Nov 27 08:17:29 yea Nov 27 08:17:34 viq: it is, and if it was just svn you can do svn co path folder Nov 27 08:17:42 and it would check it out to a differnet name Nov 27 08:17:48 but how to I amke bitbake do this? Nov 27 08:17:53 anyway - it was fixed in testing Nov 27 08:18:02 so now I just have to rebuild everything and it should be ok :) Nov 27 08:18:25 I know nothing about bitbake, but I would expect if you put in URL you could use that trick Nov 27 08:28:44 How long does it take some people here to do a clean openembedded build? Nov 27 08:35:26 hi all Nov 27 08:37:09 I want to update env for kerenel regardfing 2Gb Transend card. Just who can give me normal how-to ? Nov 27 08:37:39 Some people lost phone according emails :) Nov 27 09:13:38 Anybody got TangoGPS working with SHR, using GPS? Nov 27 09:13:54 I tested agpsgui, it can get a fix in ~ 50 sec, quite reliably Nov 27 09:14:17 but with tangogps, it keeps saying my geo pos is 0, 0 (i.e. no fix I guess) Nov 27 09:14:21 dent: I've been using tangogps on shr Nov 27 09:14:35 BUT is kees saying: number of sattelites: n/0, with n anything from 1 to 9 Nov 27 09:14:39 (changing) Nov 27 09:14:54 and the GPS time is updated to something which probably is not the FR time Nov 27 09:14:57 so something is going on Nov 27 09:15:08 FilipLinux4: just launching tangogps, and you can see your GPS pos? Nov 27 09:15:37 We have AGPS? Nov 27 09:15:40 yes, I mad some OSM tracks yesterday using it Nov 27 09:15:46 Neat. Nov 27 09:15:51 I didn't know that Nov 27 09:15:51 hmm... lucky you :) Nov 27 09:16:14 but the neo needs to sit next to the window if i want a fix inside Nov 27 09:16:19 Sargun: ? agpsgui has nothing to do with agps I guess :) - although I noticed some agps info on the wiki Nov 27 09:17:13 FilipLinux4: well, I managed to "fool" tango by running agpsgui, getting fix, then launching tango - then tango showed correct position, but this resulted in the gps pos not being updated any more Nov 27 09:17:21 I guess it confused both agpsgui and tango :) Nov 27 09:18:25 I've been looking at NavIt, because OSM coverage in my area is rather poor Nov 27 09:18:39 navit can use commercial maps Nov 27 09:19:26 f;li: where are yoy? Nov 27 09:19:36 hm, I was positively surprised by OSM in areas I'm interested in :) Nov 27 09:21:03 anybody knows what do the numbers "Satellites: x/y" in tango, tab "Trip" mean? Nov 27 09:21:08 I always get n/0 Nov 27 09:22:50 dent: number of sats seen/used? Nov 27 09:23:12 I thought so, thx Nov 27 09:23:23 "x/0" means no fix yet Nov 27 09:23:29 yeah :-( Nov 27 09:24:05 no idea about GPS details... so, does a reasonable value in GPS Time field mean it was something obtained from some of the sattelites? Nov 27 09:24:29 or is it FR time until a fix is obtained? Nov 27 09:24:44 which GPS time field? Nov 27 09:24:50 never used tango, so a wild guess, and no idea about your last question Nov 27 09:25:19 lindi-: in tangogps, tab "Trip", there's "GPS time: ..." Nov 27 09:25:47 dent: yeah, if you have that right then you have received something from the satellites Nov 27 09:25:50 system time Nov 27 09:26:02 but yeah, probably time is from sat Nov 27 09:27:35 it's different from what ntpdate keeps in my box, and seems it might be the FR time Nov 27 09:27:48 I was jsut curious - if it means at least something is received by GPS Nov 27 09:27:53 sigh Nov 27 09:27:57 thanks anyway :) Nov 27 09:28:02 dent: how different? Nov 27 09:28:46 dent: it should be 19 seconds off Nov 27 09:28:53 really? Nov 27 09:29:07 I'll try to set completely off FR time, to see what tango says :) Nov 27 09:29:09 dent: since it has no leap seconds Nov 27 09:29:10 nah, wasn't that 13sec Nov 27 09:29:19 something in that order anyway ;) Nov 27 09:29:34 now my FR time is too close to the correct time :) Nov 27 09:30:04 is qwo in any repository available? Nov 27 09:30:26 i'd assume this display is just blank until some info from sat is seen Nov 27 09:31:11 would be really stupid to fill system time in there Nov 27 09:34:09 hm, staring TangoGPS and quickly changing to that tab yields some "1999" date Nov 27 09:34:27 BUT changing time to some nonsense revelas it gets updated to FR time:-( Nov 27 09:34:40 actually, GMT/UTC/something like that Nov 27 09:34:50 not local time (I somehow missed the one hr difference) Nov 27 09:57:00 morning Nov 27 09:59:26 hi, is there an image of the kernel patched with the "no_deep_sleep_patch"? Nov 27 10:00:37 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=conf/example/frameworkd.conf Nov 27 10:00:53 [odeviced.kernel26] Nov 27 10:01:21 with which kernel does it work? Nov 27 10:01:26 all Nov 27 10:01:37 its the /etc/frameworkd.conf Nov 27 10:01:42 FSO stuff Nov 27 10:01:45 config Nov 27 10:01:59 but the patch is added only 31h ago Nov 27 10:02:03 submitted Nov 27 10:02:18 well... Nov 27 10:04:58 compile it yourself Nov 27 10:05:10 thats what i did not want to do :) Nov 27 10:06:35 tsk tsk Nov 27 10:06:45 :) Nov 27 10:06:56 wsod? Nov 27 10:07:07 shoukd fb_blank bs 0 or 1 when i have problems Nov 27 10:07:08 yes Nov 27 10:07:37 i got the trick, but its not handy: you have to wear the fr in your pockets - display faced to your body Nov 27 10:07:50 no wsod. display other way round - wsod ^^ Nov 27 10:08:01 but thats not the fine way Nov 27 10:08:39 i changed idlenotifier stuff Nov 27 10:08:43 and nomore wsod Nov 27 10:08:50 i changed it, too Nov 27 10:09:14 10, 50, 1 Nov 27 10:09:52 i have zero's across the board Nov 27 10:10:06 except idle_dim = 20 Nov 27 10:10:29 still blanks the screen but.. no wsod Nov 27 10:10:58 do you use suspend? Nov 27 10:11:06 no Nov 27 10:11:09 thats is Nov 27 10:11:11 it Nov 27 10:11:17 i only have wsod after suspend Nov 27 10:11:18 suspend = 0 Nov 27 10:13:39 the order in frameworkd.conf doesn't matter? Nov 27 10:14:57 doubt it (there just settings under the headers [odeviced.input] Nov 27 10:15:09 [odeviced.idlenotifier] Nov 27 10:15:11 etc Nov 27 10:15:18 ok Nov 27 10:29:11 whats the difference between 'accel-rotate-qte' and 'accel-rotate'? qte = qtopia extended? Nov 27 10:31:57 morning Nov 27 12:37:00 Can anyone help me writing a bb file for a python module? Nov 27 12:37:05 I get ImportError: No module named setuptools Nov 27 12:37:09 when make runs setup.py ... Nov 27 12:57:37 /join #openmoko-devel Nov 27 12:57:41 ahem Nov 27 13:01:50 using SHR. does Mofi only support secured networks? the "Connect to selected" buttun hangs as it is pushed down, and nothing happens. I've also checked /var/log/messages on the dhcp server, no dhcp discover from the phone there eather. using latest image - but i've seen this earlier on an different open network before. i connected a WEP network at work today.. and that worked flawlessly. Nov 27 13:20:39 anyone know a good music player for SHR? Nov 27 13:20:44 starling keeps segfaulting on me Nov 27 13:21:04 Zorkman: mokoko? Nov 27 13:21:42 it isn't in the feeds for shr, where can i find it? Nov 27 13:22:13 http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/ Nov 27 13:22:33 http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/wiki/Mokoko_0_1 Nov 27 13:22:38 thanks valos[fr], i'll try it out Nov 27 13:24:19 valos[fr]: how do i add songs? can't find the info on their wiki page Nov 27 13:26:10 http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/wiki/Mokoko_0_1 Nov 27 13:26:23 You must create a mokoko.conf file Nov 27 13:30:12 One other question: What is the difference between depends and rdepends on the bb file? Nov 27 13:30:42 50% wrong window... Nov 27 13:46:34 valos[fr]: i've created that file, and made it point to my mp3's but it still doesn't show them, anyspecial hints? Nov 27 13:52:40 gromgull: rdepends lists packages needed for running the program Nov 27 13:52:51 but not necessarily needed for building Nov 27 13:53:03 or the other way Nov 27 13:53:37 thanks! Nov 27 13:54:01 I already got the answer in the openmoko-devel (i.e. the other 50% of the right window) Nov 27 13:54:11 but it was hard to find from bitbake docs Nov 27 13:55:39 oh ok :p Nov 27 14:09:00 mokoko doesn't show the files it has detected (when i run it over ssh i can see it detects the songs) anybody else has seen this behaviour? Nov 27 14:24:50 Zorkman: have you click on playing list? Nov 27 14:30:20 valos[fr]: when i click playing list it does nothing Nov 27 14:30:22 Zorkman: it's a strange behaviour, but you must click on text "Playing list" to see mp3 Nov 27 14:30:48 i'll try again (i'm restransferring mmy mp3's first) Nov 27 14:32:17 http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/wiki/Trac Nov 27 14:53:20 :D Nov 27 14:53:22 Dave! Nov 27 14:55:48 _ajuonline|sh: My apologies. Did you all meet ? Nov 27 15:03:26 jonkristian, ! Nov 27 15:04:43 :) Nov 27 15:05:38 PIZZA! Nov 27 15:05:48 * balrog-k1n wakes up Nov 27 15:07:14 hahah Nov 27 15:07:18 balrog-k1n, what up? :D Nov 27 15:08:10 i'll take that pizza thanks Nov 27 15:21:56 Does anybody know how to turn on GSM debugging in qtextended? My freerunner registers to the network in qtopia, but not in anything using FSO and I'm trying to figure out why. Nov 27 15:34:50 bonjour! Nov 27 15:34:57 where can i find the daily kernel builds? Nov 27 15:35:12 downloads.openmoko.org Nov 27 15:36:05 thanks... the kernels here, are they stable or stable-tracking? Nov 27 15:36:31 cause i'd like to get stable-tracking Nov 27 15:37:47 if you want stable-tracking, at the moment you have to build yourself (or i think andy had some preview images somewhere, but they'll be out of date by now) Nov 27 15:38:39 but compiling the kernel for OM isn't that hard (especially if you're brave enough to be trying stable-tracking) Nov 27 15:38:50 -tracking works with u-boot? Nov 27 15:38:54 or only wit qi? Nov 27 15:39:52 AIUI, you only need qi if your kernel is big (-moredrivers type of build), because uBoot can't cope with images over a certain size Nov 27 15:40:14 but my information may be inaccurate.. Nov 27 15:40:27 i haven't been keeping up with the kernel list as much as i shoul Nov 27 15:40:28 +d Nov 27 15:40:30 it think it isn't, i read somewhere something like that Nov 27 15:40:54 one more questions, are there instructions to compiling anywhere? Nov 27 15:41:01 *question Nov 27 15:41:26 not as much as there should be. some pointers on http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary Nov 27 15:41:30 i think there's a wiki page somewhere Nov 27 15:42:09 uh oh, you have awoken the Balrogkun, you fools! Nov 27 15:42:12 basically, git clone, git checkout, edit "build.sh" to point at your toolchain directory, cp ./arch/arm/configs/gta02_defconfig .config, then "./build dummy" Nov 27 15:42:36 Weiss: thanks a lot man, i'll go look around :) Nov 27 15:42:42 gobble-gobble? Nov 27 15:43:03 igor321: no problem Nov 27 15:44:45 maybe i was confused but i dont think so Nov 27 15:45:14 im sure i read that 2008,11 would arrive shortly Nov 27 15:45:21 Dave, hahahm, gobble-gobble? :D Nov 27 15:45:31 pie piepie Nov 27 15:45:31 moo? Nov 27 15:47:47 Dave, hha Nov 27 15:47:55 where's the "gobble-gobble" from? Nov 27 15:48:24 Where do you think, motherfucker? Nov 27 15:48:40 * Dave hurls a twenty pound turkey at fougner Nov 27 15:48:46 Dave: that wasn't nice things to say Nov 27 15:49:00 frozen of course Nov 27 15:49:03 Tm_T, you want to be next? :p Nov 27 15:49:10 downloading the snapshot from git is like 6 times faster than my connection... Nov 27 15:49:21 interesting Nov 27 15:49:23 Dave: next for what, sir? Nov 27 15:49:31 flogging Nov 27 15:49:39 * Dave readies his arsenal Nov 27 15:50:13 better u than me tm_T Nov 27 15:50:36 slaxxin: if you say so (;) Nov 27 15:50:52 Hah Nov 27 15:50:56 you're crazy Nov 27 15:51:06 Hahahahaha Nov 27 15:51:14 Fougner, I believe you're describing yourself. Nov 27 15:51:23 Fougner: I think I have heard that last 200 years or so Nov 27 15:52:49 yeah, but it's still true Nov 27 15:52:55 naming scheme of daily buids changes? does openmoko-asu-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz match testing-om-gta02-20081127.uImage.bin? Nov 27 15:53:51 yes it does Nov 27 15:54:12 thanks Nov 27 15:54:23 u gonna try it? Nov 27 15:54:45 i dl it but havent used it yet Nov 27 15:56:17 yes, want to try Nov 27 15:56:56 but last time i tried daily build i was not able to ssh into it Nov 27 15:57:28 and there was no apps to fix it Nov 27 15:57:40 i did yesterday an i couldnt get to the gui Nov 27 15:57:54 hanged at boot Nov 27 15:58:11 through it is possible what i messed something with network config Nov 27 15:58:11 i may had the wrong kernel Nov 27 15:58:46 i was trying 20081121 Nov 27 15:58:49 dave is eating turkey right noe i bet Nov 27 15:59:08 shr? Nov 27 15:59:09 om nom nom nom Nov 27 15:59:24 lol Nov 27 15:59:31 Ooh a turkey app for SHR would be a nice complement to openmoocow :D Nov 27 15:59:36 shake it and it gobbles! Nov 27 15:59:36 banna pudding Nov 27 15:59:42 :D Nov 27 15:59:50 it impressed me by successful boot with from 8gb sdhc without updating u-boot Nov 27 16:00:26 debian? Nov 27 16:00:49 i guess i gotta upgrade me u boot Nov 27 16:01:24 no, daily build 20081121 Nov 27 16:02:11 i ad 20081127 Nov 27 16:02:23 last night Nov 27 16:02:58 67 megs ----it must have some apps Nov 27 16:03:05 i don't want to update anything on internal flash ram without strong need Nov 27 16:04:04 the policy is not to provide any GUI apps except Setting and Installer on daily builds Nov 27 16:07:13 :) Nov 27 16:07:33 and i'am trying everything on sd card - i made backups of factory image, but there was reports that with this method (dfu-util upload) factory u-boot make broken images Nov 27 16:10:04 walkie: why do you need those backups, just flash the latest uboot and a recent image, done Nov 27 16:12:51 hey ronny Nov 27 16:14:16 factory 2007.2 already help me to identify weak electric contact in loudspeaker after i spent two days trying to get sound from there in 2008.9, and i want keep it Nov 27 16:18:41 :D Nov 27 16:27:38 zomg pyneo v2?? Nov 27 16:27:58 Dave! Nov 27 16:28:06 what's zomg pyneo v2? =) Nov 27 16:29:51 is there a downloadable android image ? Nov 27 16:34:53 yes Nov 27 16:36:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * re9b54e833f84 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.[ListProviders|RegisterWithProvider] done Nov 27 16:36:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * raa9ba0cf7d91 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.Retrieve[Phonebook|Messagebook] done Nov 27 16:36:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r458c30317a69 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 27 16:40:51 just tried daily 20081127 - not booting to GUI not connecting via ssh :( Nov 27 16:43:11 walkie: OM-testing? Nov 27 17:12:35 openmoko: 03mail * r1819dc7a500d 10/src/libraries/qtopia/ (qphoneprofile.cpp qphoneprofile.h): The qtopia phone profile supported only the Volume setting Nov 27 17:12:35 openmoko: 03mail * rc196ccd98e0f 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: Update the callscreen volume slider according to the new Nov 27 17:12:36 openmoko: 03mail * rc0de3a76bc40 10/etc/default/Trolltech/PhoneProfile.conf: Add the CallVolume setting to configuration (set by default at 4). Nov 27 17:16:20 hello, i try to compile libgnomevfs with the toolchain and get this error: http://paste.debian.net/22390/ at running ./configure Nov 27 17:16:58 but "pkg-config gnome-mime-data-2.0 && echo $?" tells me "0" Nov 27 17:18:51 you need to isntall the gnome-mime-data package into the tool chain: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Installing_additional_libraries_into_the_toolchain Nov 27 17:19:02 it's not enough to just have it installed on your host system Nov 27 17:23:07 i have installed it into the toolchaein Nov 27 17:23:11 toolchain Nov 27 17:28:10 $ opkg-target install gnome-mime-data Nov 27 17:28:11 Package gnome-mime-data (2.18.0-r0) installed in root is up to date. Nov 27 17:28:16 this is what i've done Nov 27 17:29:14 file:///home/brian/Desktop/openmoko-asu-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Nov 27 17:31:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rcd90c97cbc7f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: fix unimplemented method org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetNetworkCountryCode() -> ss Nov 27 17:31:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r8805db9320d2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/error.py: otapi: fix bogus error namespaces Nov 27 17:31:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rbeadf3939ddd 10framework/tests/ (org.freesmartphone.GSM.py test.py): tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetNetworkCountryCode() done Nov 27 17:33:04 man, I hate my isp. Nov 27 17:33:14 white_gecko: no idea then, sorry Nov 27 17:34:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rde2f5ce2f837 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Nov 27 17:34:14 freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 27 17:34:14 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Nov 27 17:34:14 freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py Nov 27 17:34:14 freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py Nov 27 17:35:37 TAsn, why? =D Nov 27 17:35:59 too many disconnects. ;[ Nov 27 17:36:16 hi Nov 27 17:36:34 merlyn, hey. do you hate my isp? Nov 27 17:36:58 TAsn, no, nothing against your internet service provider, why? Nov 27 17:37:11 because I do ;\ Nov 27 17:37:36 thats bad for you :-( Nov 27 17:37:39 yeah. Nov 27 17:37:48 I think I should change. ;] Nov 27 17:38:07 TAsn: :-( Nov 27 17:38:17 i am looking for androidfs.jffs2, but nowhere to find, on sean_mcneil it is now deleted Nov 27 17:38:34 well im off working out. Nov 27 17:38:36 cya. Nov 27 17:39:23 have anyone that image, to upload it somewhere please? Nov 27 17:39:27 openmoko: 03tick * r4829 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg.c: opkg: mark the pkg SF as !SF_FILELIST_CHANGED after write back. Nov 27 17:39:42 openmoko: 03tick * r4830 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/hash_table.c: Nov 27 17:39:42 openmoko: opkg: making hash_table_insert works as real hash_table. Nov 27 17:39:42 openmoko: solving the update_file_ownership misbehaviour issue, and redundent installed files issue. Nov 27 17:39:56 its practically worthless anyway, merlyn Nov 27 17:40:24 rooly: I thought, the main problem (with dialogs) is fixed now, isn't it? Nov 27 17:40:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5fc078057dc7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix crossreference in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingMessage Nov 27 17:40:46 no suspend and no keyboard Nov 27 17:41:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9a448c5cff5f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: fix name for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetNetworkCountryCode() Nov 27 17:41:50 missing keyboard is bad :-( Nov 27 17:53:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb5aaa36de547 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add missing 'reason' parameter in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetCallForwarding() Nov 27 18:02:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rc832bb514cba 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.[Get|Set]CallingIdentification() done Nov 27 18:02:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rec3c0647d8a1 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 27 18:11:22 so, mwester, how about that fridge, huh? ;) Nov 27 18:11:29 How'd it work out? Nov 27 18:14:23 And freerunners keeps flashing on... Nov 27 18:25:36 do i need an > 512 mb sdcard for Om_2008.9_Update? Nov 27 18:28:08 is there a kernel source package? Nov 27 18:30:19 Dave: Conclusion: my FR works fine at 34 F, as well as approx 100 F, suspending and resuming without WSoD. Conclusion #2: FR's wrapped in plastic along with a debug board in refrigerator are, apparently, not worthy of comment in my house anymore. Nov 27 18:30:39 eric_j: git.openmoko.org Nov 27 18:30:44 thanks Nov 27 18:40:50 * sicu wraps his FR in tinfoil, places it in the refrigerator and patiently waits for a GPS fix Nov 27 18:41:47 hahahaha Nov 27 18:41:51 hm? gps is broken? Nov 27 18:43:54 do i need to flash uboot, from shipped os to 2008.9 update ? Nov 27 18:44:42 tuxi: does it work? then no... Nov 27 18:44:55 well i havent tried... Nov 27 18:44:59 but it can boot the old one Nov 27 18:47:59 new uboot needed for propagating resume-reason to kernel Nov 27 18:48:18 means? Nov 27 18:48:34 nobody makes use of resume reason so far, afaik Nov 27 18:49:16 basically, if all works, no need to update ;-D Nov 27 18:51:13 k Nov 27 18:52:20 DocScrutinizer: "if all works", I would like to see that freerunner ;) Nov 27 18:54:08 Zorkman: it is said that there is one behind the seven mountains. I think Snow White got one without problems Nov 27 18:54:12 is connman actually useful? Nov 27 18:54:27 if you have an app to make, say, a gps-snapshot every minute, and you find your FR doesn't suspend but stays awake for half the time, then you might want to update uboot for sure Nov 27 19:02:00 file:///home/checkob/download/Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2 Nov 27 19:02:07 ... sorry wrong content Nov 27 19:02:17 Starting download: [######dfu_download error -71 Nov 27 19:05:04 trying to flash from shipped os to 2008.9 Nov 27 19:05:09 anyone knows whats wrong here? Nov 27 19:05:22 google may know Nov 27 19:06:09 tuxi: try again Nov 27 19:06:14 then it should work Nov 27 19:06:27 k, lets see Nov 27 19:07:04 use correct -a and file Nov 27 19:07:43 sudo ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.9-gta02-20081117.rootfs.jffs2 should be correct i think Nov 27 19:08:14 yup Nov 27 19:09:07 You should take look to code of dfu to find out that is the meaning of that cryptic 71 Nov 27 19:10:59 where can i find the code, flashing of the uimage file worked by the way Nov 27 19:11:23 It's an error from the USB stack I think Nov 27 19:13:47 [ 2419.877169] usb 4-2: device not accepting address 26, error -71 Nov 27 19:17:40 perhaps the http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util is broken? Nov 27 19:18:16 are you in nor? Nov 27 19:18:47 yes Nov 27 19:19:46 good ^^ Nov 27 19:22:15 now it dont even finds the freerunner in dfu util Nov 27 19:22:28 openmoko: 03werner * r4831 10/developers/werner/neobin/envi: Allow setting of editor through environment variable EDITOR. Nov 27 19:23:13 replug usb? Nov 27 19:23:23 reload usb module on host? Nov 27 19:24:09 k i'm trying Nov 27 19:26:52 Why is NOR good? Are you trying to flash the NAND u-boot, then? Nov 27 19:27:18 no i'm not trying to flash uboot Nov 27 19:27:29 Then use NAND u-boot. Nov 27 19:27:36 yeha i do Nov 27 19:29:14 wiki certainly causes confusion about NOR vs NAND Nov 27 19:30:08 hello, how do i get a GTK theme on SHR? preferably the "orange" Om2007 one Nov 27 19:30:24 Building_FSO in wiki suggests installing an icon theme, which I have Nov 27 19:30:41 wiki page needs to be totally rewritten to correct the NOR vs NAND (and add Qi info as well) Nov 27 19:30:52 and /usr/share/themes/Moko doesn't exist Nov 27 19:31:42 in shr: whats the difference between jffs2 and jffs2.summary? Nov 27 19:32:14 mwester, if i try to flash the jffs file i need nand uboot? Nov 27 19:38:29 tuxi: Use NAND u-boot for *everything* (the one and only time you EVER should use NOR uboot is to reflash uboot itself. All other times use NAND) Nov 27 19:38:49 how to get into nand u-boot? Nov 27 19:39:44 tuxi: hold power + then hold aux Nov 27 19:40:06 ah.. k Nov 27 19:40:13 but the wiki describes nor Nov 27 19:40:16 afaik Nov 27 19:41:18 mwester: why? i don't even have uboot in nand... what's bad about the nor uboot? Nov 27 19:41:19 tuxi: The wiki is WRONG. It has been for a long long time, yet nobody fixes it. I tried once, and someone added more text that just made it even more confusing. Nov 27 19:42:12 So, at least is good to white in head of wiki "I am wrong, fixme" Nov 27 19:42:18 -_- well so theres no good communication about the wiki Nov 27 19:42:24 henk: You can use NOR and NAND u-boots interchangeably ONLY if it is the case that the two u-boots are IDENTICAL. This is very seldom the case; the u-boot in NAND is most always newer than the one in NOR. Nov 27 19:43:21 hell how do i power off the neo in kernel panic? Nov 27 19:43:50 hold the power button for ten or so seconds Nov 27 19:44:02 mwester: that doesn't answer the question, does it? Nov 27 19:44:07 okay, giving fdom a try. Nov 27 19:44:11 When Om selected the version of u-boot to burn into NOR at the factory, it was selected with the criteria that it must be functional enough to flash a new u-boot to NAND -- anything beyond that was less important. So if you have any problems (bugs, changes, etc), ONLY the u-boot in NAND will have the fixes. Nov 27 19:44:26 henk: I think it answers the quesiton quite well? What part do you not understand? Nov 27 19:44:31 mwester: ah that does it :) Nov 27 19:44:40 i'm just too impatient, sorry :) Nov 27 19:45:01 tuxi: pull the battery. Nov 27 19:45:33 mwester: how about qi? how does it compare to uboot regarding such bugs? Nov 27 19:46:35 :-) Right now, Qi does not compare well, as it is not as functional as it needs to be! Nov 27 19:47:34 Qi works (bumbl found the reason it sometimes won't power up the phone -- you have to remove the SIM card (!!!!))... but it would be only suited for those who really want to play with the advanced (somewhat buggy and incomplete) stuff. Nov 27 19:47:42 Qi is a lot faster, though.... Nov 27 19:49:59 qi rocks Nov 27 19:51:16 O_o seems like i broke my usb port Nov 27 19:51:24 Oops. Nov 27 19:51:29 On that side? Nov 27 19:51:47