**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 29 02:59:57 2008 Nov 29 03:03:35 slaxxin, yeah, ahah probably.. what about the latest 2008.11 ? =) Nov 29 03:04:07 2010.14? Nov 29 03:04:38 thats what i wanna know cause theres only a few days left Nov 29 03:05:15 2008.11 will be release in Q4 of 2010 Nov 29 03:05:30 2010.14 is scheduled for 2019 Nov 29 03:05:31 lol Nov 29 03:08:20 hahaha' Nov 29 03:08:21 wtf Nov 29 03:08:27 Dave! Nov 29 03:08:30 DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE =D Nov 29 03:10:24 don't shout at Dave Nov 29 03:10:33 only i can shout at Dave Nov 29 03:12:00 balrog-k1n, nooooooo Nov 29 03:12:09 :P Nov 29 03:12:23 I can shout at Dave too =) Nov 29 03:12:50 how much will you pay me? Nov 29 03:20:38 balrog-k1n, whooooaaaaaat? :o Nov 29 03:26:23 maybe im on a wild goose chase Nov 29 03:29:16 what? :D Nov 29 03:31:27 balrogkun, I believe Fougner now owes you $15 now :P Nov 29 03:33:30 :D Nov 29 03:33:32 Dave! Nov 29 03:33:35 my love =P Nov 29 03:33:38 whaat up? Nov 29 03:33:40 o_O Nov 29 03:33:52 haha Nov 29 03:33:59 o-O Nov 29 03:34:03 o_O Nov 29 03:34:04 * Nov 29 03:38:55 so, now that I have .. shr-20081128 installed Nov 29 03:39:14 how do I get gps on a gta01 working? Nov 29 03:39:57 gllin Nov 29 03:40:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd#GPS_on_GTA01 Nov 29 03:40:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin Nov 29 03:41:38 the Well of Information Nov 29 03:41:53 Affirmative. Nov 29 03:42:09 mt shr is acting up Nov 29 03:42:31 my new shutdown menu dont work Nov 29 03:42:47 :D Nov 29 03:42:51 dude it's like pre-alpha Nov 29 03:42:54 take a chill pill Nov 29 03:43:00 aint it cool Nov 29 03:48:38 hrrm Nov 29 03:48:46 so using a decent USB cable helps things Nov 29 03:51:35 has anyone played with ipv6 on the neo? Nov 29 03:52:40 dave would u help me with this error installing debian? Nov 29 03:52:44 Because dpkg, the Debian package manager, does not support non-POSIX Nov 29 03:52:44 filesystems, Nov 29 03:56:33 slaxxin: what's it doing? Nov 29 03:58:15 :D Nov 29 03:58:20 g8n Nov 29 04:01:02 slaxin, such as? Nov 29 04:02:59 i try to use Nov 29 04:03:12 SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all Nov 29 04:03:45 an i get these non-posix filesystem warnings Nov 29 04:04:06 about 8-10 times during the install Nov 29 04:05:19 http://pastebin.com/m2ddb2c96 Nov 29 04:06:02 sweet Nov 29 04:06:10 I take it that it ultimately fails? Nov 29 04:06:35 yes upon reboot it cant find kernel Nov 29 04:07:00 prolly because its not installed maybe/ Nov 29 04:07:18 do i need a newer uboot? Nov 29 04:11:49 oh lovely Nov 29 04:11:55 I am out of space apparently Nov 29 04:12:00 and can't install gllin Nov 29 04:12:05 shit Nov 29 04:12:10 make space? :) Nov 29 04:12:22 -sh: make: not found Nov 29 04:12:25 :P Nov 29 04:12:51 * hozer needs to remember where the hell he put is sdhc card Nov 29 04:15:03 YES YOU DO Nov 29 04:17:46 !!!!! GPS !!!! Nov 29 04:18:09 I have 2 satellites! (Sorry, this is the first time I've tried this) Nov 29 04:19:43 :D Nov 29 04:19:48 BE SUPER EXCITED! Nov 29 04:20:05 so when does it actually start telling me lat/long Nov 29 04:20:28 next day :) Nov 29 04:20:46 :D Nov 29 04:20:52 hozer, it needs to get a fix first Nov 29 04:20:53 be patient Nov 29 04:21:00 noooOOOOO ;) Nov 29 04:21:02 usually after it locks onto 3 or 4 Nov 29 04:21:09 hey! Nov 29 04:21:17 LOCKS Nov 29 04:21:23 282m Nov 29 04:22:33 I am so not going 3.3km/h :P Nov 29 04:22:45 :D Nov 29 04:22:57 yeah with the freerunner it's rather self-satisfying as we've found to programmers Nov 29 04:23:00 funny my gps seems to be broke Nov 29 04:23:18 as it will tell them they've gone five miles, after just an hour of sitting there on their chair Nov 29 04:23:21 ;p Nov 29 04:23:30 and it's .. like.. *mostly* all open source even Nov 29 04:23:47 fitness program :-) Nov 29 04:23:47 my stupid treo has some sort of GPS or something in it and I can't do jack with it Nov 29 04:24:28 :P Nov 29 04:24:31 sucks, right? Nov 29 04:24:38 whoa, you have a treo, hozer? :D Nov 29 04:25:13 755p Nov 29 04:27:52 dave wants to break it Nov 29 04:28:18 are you wanting to linuxifize a treo? Nov 29 04:29:55 well dammit. I'm just gonna have to get data service for neo again now that it actually does something ;) Nov 29 04:30:10 Install enlightenment/illume on it! Nov 29 04:30:26 your treo that is :) Nov 29 04:30:35 works great! Nov 29 04:30:55 hozer: may try to bt into your neighbour's cellphone Nov 29 04:31:05 woot Nov 29 04:31:20 hozer: free dataservice ;-D Nov 29 04:34:18 does the gta01 have BT? Nov 29 04:34:38 I can do something disgusting and use my verizon treo's BT Nov 29 04:36:56 last time I looked at one, it had IIRC Nov 29 04:37:22 it does. and it works, too. Nov 29 04:37:32 hrrm.. and I probably have to turn it on somehow too Nov 29 04:37:49 you need to install gllin Nov 29 04:37:58 might help Nov 29 04:38:02 um, for the BT? Nov 29 04:38:12 gllin is installed Nov 29 04:38:29 http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/11/linux-on-iphone.html Nov 29 04:38:34 Not entirely relevant, but Nov 29 04:41:34 great.. opkg is giving me "Could not obtain administrative lock" Nov 29 04:43:27 VERIZON? Nov 29 04:43:29 google is your friend Nov 29 04:43:30 somethin else is runnin Nov 29 04:44:04 screwverizon Nov 29 04:44:08 DocScrutinizer2: yeah, but it's easier to annoy all of you with it first ;) Nov 29 04:44:52 sure, but I'm not much of a help Nov 29 04:45:01 wait Nov 29 04:45:02 what Nov 29 04:45:06 What's this about Verizon? Nov 29 04:45:20 just know theres been sth similar Nov 29 04:45:23 I have a verizon treo, and someone seems to object ;) Nov 29 04:46:57 you need to kill a process IIRC Nov 29 04:47:09 nah, just google it Nov 29 04:48:30 well Nov 29 04:48:41 I ran out of space while installing and something is borked Nov 29 04:48:43 hahahahahha Nov 29 04:48:52 You have similarly woken the Fxchip! Nov 29 04:48:53 :D Nov 29 04:49:07 hozer, cocoboot ftw!? :D Nov 29 04:49:44 Verizon treo? Damn. Nov 29 04:51:16 tentacool Nov 29 04:59:47 So, how 'bout that AT&T, huh Fxchip? :P Nov 29 05:00:10 is there any provider fxchip likes? Nov 29 05:01:51 T-Mobile Nov 29 05:01:55 ftw Nov 29 05:02:13 * hozer finds Iowa Wireless to be pretty nice Nov 29 05:02:32 except that's bascially T-mobile Nov 29 05:03:06 wow Nov 29 05:03:15 thankyou openmoko-agpsui Nov 29 05:03:54 dunno how or why but it makes the pain go away Nov 29 05:10:48 kd8ikt: simple. Guss it reads efem and alm from internet Nov 29 05:11:05 *GuEss Nov 29 05:11:53 um, okay Nov 29 05:12:04 how the hell do I make a graph/chart with python-etk? Nov 29 05:12:46 * DocScrutinizer2 runs. maybe prepare coffee? Nov 29 05:15:28 but i dont think it does Nov 29 05:15:48 framework is working on it Nov 29 05:16:13 hrrm.. who/what is framework? Nov 29 05:16:33 well, at least the "a" suggests it does Nov 29 05:16:51 freesmartphone Nov 29 05:17:02 ah, cool Nov 29 05:17:11 aka FSO Nov 29 05:19:59 kd8ikt: of course it can/should do other tricks as well. Like storing efem/alm and then restoring it to ublox on next chip startup Nov 29 05:20:22 you can do thaqt? Nov 29 05:21:01 i need an antenna Nov 29 05:21:31 kd8ikt: have a 100y ephem table to look up efem for your supposed positionand tod Nov 29 05:21:59 100y? Nov 29 05:22:16 make that 20 Nov 29 05:22:22 nevermind Nov 29 05:22:45 hours? Nov 29 05:23:40 duh? why that? you can easily predict position of sats for much more into the future Nov 29 05:24:11 of course with increasing error Nov 29 05:25:25 don't even need a table. it's a few "simple" equations Nov 29 05:26:23 then why the fudge isnt it working Nov 29 05:26:27 take a grain of salt with that, had no coffee yet today Nov 29 05:28:28 btw: my N810 and my OMNIA both show TTFF of >10min sometimes, after coldboot and with agps disabled/not working atm Nov 29 05:28:41 holy crap Nov 29 05:28:47 that's terrible Nov 29 05:29:39 1h ago updated to maemo agps-beta2 on N810 ;-) Nov 29 05:29:55 * DocScrutinizer2 starts map app Nov 29 05:30:15 c'mon sucker Nov 29 05:30:30 and how's that working? Nov 29 05:30:31 :p Nov 29 05:32:19 FSCK!! have to reboot. agps borked gps-tty once again. "no gps found" Nov 29 05:32:34 back in a minute Nov 29 05:32:38 haha crap Nov 29 05:32:48 yeah I had something similar too Nov 29 05:32:52 (I think) Nov 29 05:37:06 once again... :-/ Nov 29 05:38:28 10 visible Nov 29 05:38:44 :) Nov 29 05:39:16 using none though? :P Nov 29 05:39:31 do youhave to register with ublox? Nov 29 05:40:15 FIX Nov 29 05:41:00 woot! Nov 29 05:41:03 TTFF ~2min. on a balkony Nov 29 05:41:04 a new record? Nov 29 05:41:24 nah,, not for N810 maemo Nov 29 05:41:40 :p Nov 29 05:44:18 "the 2008-10-19 days of your free test version have expired" muahahaa Nov 29 05:50:51 rofl Nov 29 05:50:56 nice :P Nov 29 05:51:06 Joerg - just what ARE you doing over there? :P Nov 29 05:51:51 also "Speicherort", probably a very crude translation of "store location" Nov 29 05:52:07 as in cache? or datadir? Nov 29 05:52:29 in fact means "location of storage" :D Nov 29 05:53:46 :P Nov 29 05:55:41 what I'm doing here? ATM enjoy the sunny weather after cold and rainy days, and sit on the balkony enjoy myself and the Saturday "day off" Nov 29 05:56:15 :D Nov 29 06:05:20 Nice :) Nov 29 06:14:22 caffeine. Ahhh, finally... :-) Nov 29 06:24:09 hah Nov 29 06:26:50 http://fold.it/portal/ Nov 29 06:51:43 :) Nov 29 07:01:48 freeshit w00t Nov 29 07:29:49 What should i fix to build image (error at : http://codepad.org/OYMyYu79) Nov 29 10:02:40 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r1a0933dfc564 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/sierra/modem.py: Nov 29 10:02:40 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix sierra modem Nov 29 10:02:40 freesmartphone.org: The channel now needs to be passed the modem object Nov 29 10:29:30 any ipkg expert online? Nov 29 10:40:22 can someone explain the different fso-images to me? Nov 29 10:40:40 i.e. what is the difference between -console, -illume and -? Nov 29 10:44:17 console has no ui, console only ... illume has the illume wm ... and the last one has all that plus zhone Nov 29 10:44:39 iirc Nov 29 11:10:02 sicu: thanks Nov 29 11:10:03 ! Nov 29 11:12:16 the nor bootloader is pretty dumb.... Nov 29 11:12:56 i mean: why does it boot directly from nand flash and doesn't pass control to the bootloader in nand when you select 'Boot'? Nov 29 11:15:55 nand could be brocken Nov 29 11:17:22 morricone_: then you can reflash it via nor... Nov 29 11:17:38 who knows how to fix the autogen.sh script for building opkg? Nov 29 11:20:49 nevermind, think I almost have it, ubuntu forgets to link aclocal to correct file Nov 29 11:49:28 can uBoot boot from sd card while the kernel and the root fs are not on partition 1 and 2 respectively? Nov 29 11:50:41 evolux it needs ether vfat (with uImage.bin) and ext3, ext3 and ext3, or ext3 only Nov 29 11:51:00 evolux: it probably can, but i guess you'll have to modify the uboot env to make it that way. for qi you must have only one partition. Nov 29 11:51:36 is it possible to get with the aux button to get back to illume home screen (fso 4.1) Nov 29 11:59:12 hi all Nov 29 11:59:25 knows somebody, why mplayer is not available in repo? Nov 29 11:59:56 in which repo? Nov 29 11:59:59 official Nov 29 12:00:13 merlyn because of patent-trolls ... sadly Nov 29 12:00:29 in fso 4.1 its in Nov 29 12:00:30 roh: that's a pity, thanks Nov 29 12:00:31 but i am sure somebody will provide packages.. Nov 29 12:00:43 same as debian/ubuntu ;) Nov 29 12:00:58 :-) Nov 29 12:01:19 mmh, yesterday i got it from the fso repo Nov 29 12:07:09 =D Nov 29 12:25:56 thanks, dns53 and henk Nov 29 12:34:58 Moin Nov 29 12:35:51 Moin Moin =D Nov 29 12:36:09 Was bringt mir eig. wenn ich Taschendiebstahl auf 4 hab? Nov 29 12:36:12 Nur mehr einnahmen? Nov 29 12:36:21 LastKid_, english please? =) Nov 29 12:36:31 Heh? Nov 29 12:36:36 Where I'm here?! xD Nov 29 12:36:46 I don't know? Nov 29 12:36:50 Aren't I here for the Channel for Pennergame.de Nov 29 12:36:54 nope Nov 29 12:36:58 probably not Nov 29 12:37:00 Ouh!! xDDD Nov 29 12:37:02 this is the Openmoko-channelö Nov 29 12:37:05 =) Nov 29 12:52:49 hi, anyone experience with opkg? Nov 29 12:55:55 I've build the opkg from souce and all I get is opkg-cl and opkg-key, where is the binary to build opkg packages? Nov 29 12:59:58 om-make-ipkg? Nov 29 13:00:27 is a script thats included in the toolchain Nov 29 13:01:06 i could pastebin it for you i suppose Nov 29 13:10:35 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/om-make-ipkg Nov 29 13:11:16 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/om-make-ipkg: POSIX shell script text executable Nov 29 13:22:40 i think i need opkg-utils ;) Nov 29 13:24:42 ahoi Nov 29 13:25:36 hi Nov 29 13:31:05 sicu: i installed the image you thought contained zhone on my sd card, but there is only "htop", "screenshot", "terminal" and "numptyphysics" in the menu. Nov 29 13:32:42 opkg install zhone ? Nov 29 13:34:10 hm Nov 29 13:34:42 ok, then let's install all the additional packages... Nov 29 13:36:06 yes, I've just build my first opkg :) only one question, what to do with: opkg-build: 246: 0: not found Nov 29 13:43:51 hey Nov 29 13:44:17 I got the SHR running ... i installed gcc / g++, libstddevs ... Nov 29 13:44:21 but when i try to do Nov 29 13:44:25 ./configure Nov 29 13:44:33 it says no gcc was installed Nov 29 13:45:02 gcc seems to be called arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-gcc ... Nov 29 13:45:25 yea Nov 29 13:46:04 what should be done? Nov 29 13:46:49 ./configure something=arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi- Nov 29 13:47:04 ok ... makes sense ;) Nov 29 13:47:18 copiler prefix= pr somestch Nov 29 13:47:24 hello pieter :) Nov 29 13:47:27 maybe ./configure --help Nov 29 13:47:45 Zorkman = Thomas? Nov 29 13:47:50 nope, yorick :) Nov 29 13:47:52 hi btw ;) Nov 29 13:47:58 aa, alright Nov 29 13:48:06 goback to bed Zorkman Nov 29 13:48:20 ;D Nov 29 13:49:40 hehe, no i'm getting ready to pose some stupid questions ;-) Nov 29 13:56:30 root@om-gta02 ~/gnuboy-1.0.3 $ ./configure CC=arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-gcc --wi Nov 29 13:56:30 th-sdl Nov 29 13:56:30 checking for gcc... arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi-gcc Nov 29 13:56:30 checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Nov 29 13:56:36 .... what the... Nov 29 13:57:19 try CC=arm-angstrom-linux-gnuabi- Nov 29 13:57:29 same thing Nov 29 13:57:41 different Nov 29 13:57:54 output is the same i mean Nov 29 13:58:43 hm Nov 29 13:59:12 do any of the koolu people appear here? Nov 29 13:59:22 getting an account activated for their forums appears to be close to impossible Nov 29 14:01:52 i have an account why Nov 29 14:04:16 x-d Nov 29 14:04:32 xD Nov 29 14:04:51 >_< Nov 29 14:04:55 ^.^ Nov 29 14:04:58 ^^, Nov 29 14:05:05 -.- Nov 29 14:05:06 kd8ikt: never got the activation emails... Nov 29 14:05:10 ~_~ Nov 29 14:05:11 turns out that gmail is spamming them Nov 29 14:05:11 STOP DOING THAT! Nov 29 14:05:16 apt, shut up =) Nov 29 14:05:32 apt get Fougner some coffee Nov 29 14:05:33 * apt fetches Fougner some coffee Nov 29 14:05:56 sudo apt get Fougner some coffee Nov 29 14:06:26 sudo -u Fougner 'cd kitchen && make coffee' Nov 29 14:06:44 userdel Fougner Nov 29 14:06:50 kd8ikt, not nice :( Nov 29 14:06:56 zash, thanks =D Nov 29 14:07:51 Fougner: or buy a coffemachine with built in internet access+ webserver Nov 29 14:08:16 =D Nov 29 14:08:56 curl http://thecoffeemachine.local/make?type=black Nov 29 14:09:18 lol Nov 29 14:09:31 you know PHP? :P Nov 29 14:10:52 aircrack =D Nov 29 14:11:06 some train of thought Nov 29 14:11:23 ? :O Nov 29 14:13:01 hy everybody Nov 29 14:14:08 just tried to get the qemu emulation working. but when I start the script openmoko/download.sh I just get "Kernel is... not found" Nov 29 14:17:16 Fougner: what Nov 29 14:18:05 zash, you code PHP? :D Nov 29 14:18:12 i do Nov 29 14:20:16 hi Nov 29 14:20:21 zash, cool, are you good? :P Nov 29 14:20:26 anyone happy with the openmoko invisible shield? Nov 29 14:20:26 hi tuxi! Nov 29 14:20:41 anyone happy with.. WHAT? =D Nov 29 14:20:52 tuxi: i am Nov 29 14:21:08 Zorkman, invisible shield? Nov 29 14:21:10 although i have the full body cover, but that doesn't seem very nescessary Nov 29 14:21:12 jup Nov 29 14:21:21 its not very clean for me, will this be better after some time? Nov 29 14:21:36 guys, what are you talking about? -.- Nov 29 14:21:39 i mean white points not air Nov 29 14:21:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/InvisibleShield Nov 29 14:22:30 http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/iphone-linux/ Nov 29 14:22:43 lol Nov 29 14:22:52 Fougner: i think so Nov 29 14:22:55 when will openmoko run on the iphone? Nov 29 14:22:57 Wonka, you're like 12 hours late ;) Nov 29 14:22:57 :) Nov 29 14:23:12 zash, nice, what's you favourite IDE? Nov 29 14:23:20 Fougner: there are more important things than iphones... Nov 29 14:23:31 Wonka, like Willy Wonka =D Nov 29 14:23:40 Fougner: i use vim Nov 29 14:24:10 zash, oh... haha, I didn't expect you to ^^ Nov 29 14:24:37 tuxi, where did you get that cover? Nov 29 14:24:47 the "invisible shield" ^^ Nov 29 14:25:09 zagg.com Nov 29 14:25:25 but i wont recommend it Nov 29 14:30:20 tuxi: white points? Nov 29 14:30:36 tuxi, why not? Nov 29 14:30:46 not the expected result Nov 29 14:30:52 maybe it's because you clean it with a wrong kind of cloth Nov 29 14:31:15 perhaps... but ... well better than nothing Nov 29 14:31:15 i don't know about other phone-condoms, but i know the invisible shield is very strong... Nov 29 14:31:26 oka Nov 29 14:31:44 Zorkman: does the look improve with some hours? Nov 29 14:31:56 i have a clear screen.... Nov 29 14:32:07 mine not that clear Nov 29 14:32:12 it gets dusty and greasy but when i clean it it's ok again Nov 29 14:32:30 if i found some time i'll take some photos Nov 29 14:32:39 ehehe, 25$ :O Nov 29 14:32:43 ok, please do, i'm curious to what's the cause Nov 29 14:33:11 you live in the US? :P Nov 29 14:33:37 ey guys, is there a way to get a nice design on the UI, for FDOM and OM- distros? :p Nov 29 14:34:10 $Fougner: 11.95 for screen protection+free shipping worldwide+liflong warranty Nov 29 14:34:34 Fougner: you can install another theme Nov 29 14:34:51 Zorkman, oh, so it is THAT good? Nov 29 14:34:55 lifetime warranty =D Nov 29 14:35:01 hehe Nov 29 14:35:16 well, I use Belkin's iPhone shield Nov 29 14:35:44 just disassembled the Neo and then put the shield on the display Nov 29 14:35:58 here, Zorkman ? http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ Nov 29 14:36:28 Fougner: others are also possible, there is one with that green snake onthe background Nov 29 14:36:30 or is there another place to find the 2007.2-design? =D Nov 29 14:36:50 Zorkman, where to get those? I can't find them on the wiki Nov 29 14:36:57 except the 52grad.de Nov 29 14:37:16 sec, i'll try to find it... i used it on FDOM Nov 29 14:37:26 nice Nov 29 14:39:46 uh Nov 29 14:39:57 What kind of screen protector did alot of people end up buying for the Fr? Nov 29 14:40:12 I sort of put mine on a shelf and let it be for a few months, been busy. Never bought any for mine :/ Nov 29 14:40:22 And i need one now as im starting to use it again Nov 29 14:42:46 Fougner: still searching, thought i had it in my e-mails somehere but can't find it immediately Nov 29 14:43:58 Fougner: http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,649.0.html Nov 29 14:44:36 Kernel is... not found, is what i get if i try to make qemu Nov 29 14:44:42 anyone knows an solution? Nov 29 14:47:07 Zorkman, thanks Nov 29 14:47:41 np Nov 29 14:48:29 so what? the inisibleshield is something you'd wrap the entire phone in? Nov 29 14:48:48 Isnt that good? Nov 29 14:48:53 Wheres the invisibleshield? Nov 29 14:49:01 looks like it makes the phone slippery Nov 29 14:49:17 and it flop ot of your hand more often and smash ;) Nov 29 14:49:19 flexd: I use this.. http://www.clasohlson.no/Product/Product.aspx?id=55484352 Nov 29 14:50:03 yeah i shoulda used something like that threw it in my pocket one day with keys/godknows what else and it has a few scuffs Nov 29 14:50:04 kd8ikt: it isn't slippery, but the phone has a nicer "touch" without it Nov 29 14:50:32 Zorkman: albiet + that much bigger Nov 29 14:50:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/InvisibleShield <- atleast it makes it shiny as hell Nov 29 14:51:00 i prefer the ruber "matte" finish Nov 29 14:52:00 back to my screen though its got a few deep scuffs Nov 29 14:52:01 TeLLuS, how well does that work? Nov 29 14:52:31 i wonder if a screen overlay would fix that and further protect it Nov 29 14:52:46 It will make it less visible. Nov 29 14:52:54 it will certainly protect it. Nov 29 14:52:59 least the overlay can be easilly replaced Nov 29 14:53:16 If you had to choose Nov 29 14:53:28 Would you go with the invisibleShield or just a screen overlay? Nov 29 14:53:34 Screen overlay. Nov 29 14:53:37 No question Nov 29 14:53:43 hmm Nov 29 14:53:45 overlay i have the lil fag pag to store it in Nov 29 14:53:52 fagbag* Nov 29 14:53:54 Hmm Nov 29 14:54:02 I thought the invisibleShield protected the screen too Nov 29 14:54:03 But okay Nov 29 14:54:11 The whole case is quite robust, and won't be damaged by keys or stuff. Nov 29 14:54:13 *sigh* Nov 29 14:54:15 * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/e-wm-config-illume-shr_1.0-37812-r2.1_armv4t.ipk, error 0 Nov 29 14:54:17 (other than cosmetically) Nov 29 14:54:17 * Failed to download e-wm-config-illume-shr. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? Nov 29 14:54:26 im gonna flash my phone with fdom, and go buy one of those overlays :) Nov 29 14:54:31 second time, on "opkg update ; opkg upgrade" Nov 29 14:54:32 Question is just if that overlay works okay Nov 29 14:54:40 Open it up, and put the overlay over the screen, and put it back on. Nov 29 14:54:44 They work fine. Nov 29 14:55:39 mornincat /dev/ttySAC1 Nov 29 14:55:58 0_o Nov 29 14:56:52 SpeedEvil, kk :) Nov 29 14:56:56 I'll go get one then Nov 29 14:57:00 flexd: Cut and paste.. ;) Work well for me.. Nov 29 14:57:04 Gonna try using the pone on a daily basis now. Nov 29 14:58:42 user.debug kernel: rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c Nov 29 14:58:52 when sean puts a new android root fs online i'll try to use that as daily phone Nov 29 15:02:02 Wonka: Well that may be my fault Nov 29 15:02:11 Wonka: GTA01 or GTA02? Nov 29 15:07:03 Wonka: Ping? Nov 29 15:08:41 Ainulindale: pong. might also be my fault - didn't change /etc/network/interfaces to "my" settings, so i could ssh in, but it could not network out. Nov 29 15:09:08 Oh, too bad Nov 29 15:09:10 Ainulindale: and i didn't really bother to read the error messages, assuming it just complained about not finding .sig files Nov 29 15:09:17 Ainulindale: it's upgrading now Nov 29 15:09:19 Well anyway I regenerated the package-index Nov 29 15:09:24 Wonka: don't forget to rm -rf .e and restart X Nov 29 15:09:36 Ainulindale: why remove .e? Nov 29 15:09:42 Ainulindale: won't a reboot suffice? Nov 29 15:09:44 Changes in the config Nov 29 15:09:53 Not sure about that Nov 29 15:10:00 So as a security measure, do that :-) Nov 29 15:10:01 Does my phone have to be charged to flash it? :/ Nov 29 15:10:11 'k... Nov 29 15:10:18 (I would think so, but can it run off the usb power while flashing?) Nov 29 15:12:54 what are the most common/default/easy sound formats openmoko can play? wav, ogg, mp3? Nov 29 15:13:27 * Wonka would like to find any AMR player at all... Nov 29 15:16:12 ubuntu can play amr via two different codecs Nov 29 15:16:49 however some license issues, see launchpad.net for details Nov 29 15:28:17 argh Nov 29 15:28:20 I cant seem to turn my FR on :S Nov 29 15:29:14 was it discharged completely? it needs a trick, see wiki Nov 29 15:30:48 It might have been Nov 29 15:30:52 I havent used it in a while Nov 29 15:32:45 I tried booting it in NOR-boot too, nothing so far Nov 29 15:33:37 lucky i have an extra battery to bootstrap it Nov 29 15:33:57 (old nokia batt) Nov 29 15:34:07 I do have a nokia N80 Nov 29 15:34:19 It's a BL-5B battery, it's a bit smaller. Nov 29 15:34:23 same output? Nov 29 15:34:36 I'm not sure, gonna try booting once more. Nov 29 15:34:37 3.?4?7? Nov 29 15:35:42 FR battery = 3.7V Nov 29 15:35:46 Nokia battery = 3.7V Nov 29 15:35:56 Both li-ion batteries Nov 29 15:36:03 does mAh matter? Nov 29 15:36:44 its pretty much identical in shape and size, just fr battery is slightly longer. Nov 29 15:36:57 more mah Nov 29 15:36:57 flexd: mAh matters Nov 29 15:37:19 flexd: thats how long you can draw x power from it Nov 29 15:37:20 ;D jinx Nov 29 15:37:21 Does it matter in a way that it will break the phone Nov 29 15:37:31 Or does it matter that it just wont keep it running that long Nov 29 15:37:31 probably not Nov 29 15:37:44 I only want it to run long enough for me to connect usb charger, then plug in normal battery Nov 29 15:38:08 rolls eyes Nov 29 15:38:14 this is pointless Nov 29 15:38:16 ? Nov 29 15:38:28 https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery Nov 29 15:38:33 * kd8ikt puts a gn to his head Nov 29 15:38:34 bl-5b is on the list of compatible replacements. Nov 29 15:38:47 my u keys is dying Nov 29 15:38:48 760/890 mAh it seems Nov 29 15:39:50 good morning all Nov 29 15:40:27 new to IRC, got a question Nov 29 15:40:44 uh, booting it with bl-5b worked fine, but how the hell am i supposed to change over? :P Nov 29 15:40:55 been trying to get gestikk working, a mouse gesture library Nov 29 15:41:25 while installing it, i seemed to have borked something with X, it is no longer recognizing touch screen input events Nov 29 15:41:57 I've reduced my xsession to just matchbox-window-manager (running debian), and mouse pointer no longer moves in response to touch Nov 29 15:42:37 if I stop nodm, and cat /dev/input/input1 i see stuff...anyone got a clue where to look? I don't see any errors in dmesg or xsession-errors Nov 29 15:43:27 flexd: if enough juice is comming through usb via say plugging in a usb2 host it will still run when hotswaping the batt Nov 29 15:53:45 kd8ikt, i got it started up Nov 29 15:53:52 Flashing it atm Nov 29 16:32:11 TeLLuS, did you cut the protector to proper size? Nov 29 16:32:26 You sort of have to i guess, but slightly larger than the screen itself? Nov 29 16:33:05 The really ewasy way Nov 29 16:33:08 open it up Nov 29 16:33:12 put it on the top of the screen Nov 29 16:33:16 cut round with scissors Nov 29 16:33:24 SpeedEvil, that's the way I did it :D Nov 29 16:33:26 (a bit carefully - but still - easy) Nov 29 16:33:37 flexd: Yes Nov 29 16:33:44 the result is awesome Nov 29 16:34:00 covers eeeeeverywhere Nov 29 16:34:36 SpeedEvil, I'll just measure the screen and cut this square piece of plastic so it's maybe 2-3mm bigger in each direction Nov 29 16:34:52 oh GOD what I want GTA03 to be equipped with 3.5mm stereoplug =D Nov 29 16:35:11 Fougner: yes Nov 29 16:35:13 I want the GTA03 to have a better screen Nov 29 16:35:20 :D Nov 29 16:35:21 or rather, not one "down" in a hole atm Nov 29 16:35:25 like it is now Nov 29 16:35:32 A screen the same way a iphone has a screen would be nice :) Nov 29 16:35:59 flexd: Well, I did it about half a mm smaller then the external sceen just to fit it in in place. Nov 29 16:36:00 I want a screen at least double the size of the case. Nov 29 16:36:27 SpeedEvil, how is that possible? o_O Nov 29 16:36:34 Fold out OLED! Nov 29 16:36:39 Engineering problem. Nov 29 16:36:44 xD Nov 29 16:36:49 I WANT A PORTABLE 42" 1080p SCREEN ON MY PHONE Nov 29 16:36:54 maybe 'not down in a hole' can be achieved using a different case on the gta02? Nov 29 16:36:54 I just specify the goal. Nov 29 16:37:07 pieterc, yeah maybe Nov 29 16:37:07 ^^ Nov 29 16:37:20 SpeedEvil, you're not nice to them, are you? ^^ Nov 29 16:37:35 zash, why not a 50" ? Nov 29 16:37:43 or a LED projector? Nov 29 16:37:51 hah, a projector Nov 29 16:37:52 Fougner: or 150" Nov 29 16:37:53 =D Nov 29 16:37:54 would be cool Nov 29 16:37:57 yeah Nov 29 16:37:59 and a laser keyboard;) Nov 29 16:38:00 LCD, not plasma Nov 29 16:38:05 Fougner: but then it would need to be quad HD Nov 29 16:38:12 o_O? Nov 29 16:38:28 pieterc: isn't laser keyboards retarded Nov 29 16:38:39 you're retarted Nov 29 16:38:39 ;) Nov 29 16:38:42 no Nov 29 16:38:44 I don't know Nov 29 16:38:47 never tried one Nov 29 16:38:49 no feedback Nov 29 16:38:57 same problem as touchscreens Nov 29 16:39:10 zash, and four bluray-lasers, so you can watch four FHD movies simultaneously Nov 29 16:39:12 but keyboards are supposed to be usable without looking at them Nov 29 16:39:32 that's a good point Nov 29 16:40:10 Fougner: bluray? screw that, a shitload of multi terabyte harddrives ftw Nov 29 16:40:23 but, but? Nov 29 16:56:07 opkg install x11vnc Nov 29 16:56:10 a biiiig help Nov 29 16:58:09 Wonka: tried synergy? Nov 29 16:58:15 does synergy work on om Nov 29 16:58:23 zash: no, don't even know it Nov 29 16:58:56 Wonka: it's kind of like vnc, without the images Nov 29 16:59:01 xD Nov 29 16:59:06 no images? WHAT THE? Nov 29 16:59:15 DAve! Nov 29 16:59:19 as in, it does not transmit the screen back Nov 29 16:59:25 only keyboard/mouse events Nov 29 16:59:33 Dave, where art thou? Nov 29 16:59:42 apt locate dave Nov 29 16:59:43 * apt whips the black sheet away from dave showing the world dave's evil plans Nov 29 17:00:06 lol Nov 29 17:00:17 zash, who coded apt? Nov 29 17:00:19 ~whereis Dave Nov 29 17:00:23 Fougner: iduno Nov 29 17:00:33 hehe Nov 29 17:00:39 ~_~ where is dave? Nov 29 17:00:41 okay, Fougner Nov 29 17:00:47 apt whereis dave Nov 29 17:00:53 apt NINJA Nov 29 17:00:54 ninja is probably http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net Nov 29 17:00:54 apt get dave Nov 29 17:00:55 * apt fetches dave Nov 29 17:01:39 lollermofi Nov 29 17:01:51 apt kill Fougner Nov 29 17:01:52 * apt shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoquark gun at Fougner Nov 29 17:02:08 >:) Nov 29 17:02:27 Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee). Nov 29 17:02:32 apt cry Nov 29 17:02:33 * apt cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. Nov 29 17:02:47 apt commit suicide Nov 29 17:02:48 Hehe my survival instinct prevents me from killing myself Nov 29 17:02:57 YES Nov 29 17:02:58 sudo killall apt Nov 29 17:03:01 CANNOT SELF-TERMINATE Nov 29 17:08:35 apt: sudo pkill apt Nov 29 17:08:49 apt kill apt Nov 29 17:08:50 * apt shoots a super-inverse pseudoelectron gun at apt Nov 29 17:09:08 hrm... Nov 29 17:09:13 tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Nov 29 17:09:22 * Wonka looks slightly puzzled Nov 29 17:09:37 Wonka, what's going on? Nov 29 17:09:58 Dave: i am just asking myself why X listens on tcp Nov 29 17:10:11 Dave: or better, why tcp listening is not disable Nov 29 17:10:11 d Nov 29 17:13:30 oh! Nov 29 17:13:35 o.O Nov 29 17:27:30 ssh root@openmoko -X Nov 29 17:34:50 Password: Nov 29 17:35:27 hm... when trying to upgrade the FDOM via opkg it returns: * libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.2) * Nov 29 17:36:22 Is there a bluetoogh on gta01 howto? Nov 29 17:36:48 the latest shr release does not seem to have an obvious way to turn it on/off Nov 29 17:38:09 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh Nov 29 17:38:26 I've searched the entire house, the entire garage and both the cars Nov 29 17:38:35 what is up ? Nov 29 17:38:36 and i still cant find the damn toolset with a t6 torq >_< Nov 29 17:38:45 * flexd wants to take off the front cover on his FR Nov 29 17:40:00 flexd: i can't remove my front cover due my warranty would expire Nov 29 17:40:14 hozer: bluetooth info for gta01 is on the wiki Nov 29 17:40:16 There's a warranty on FR's? o_0 Nov 29 17:40:34 In my case there is 2 years of warranty Nov 29 17:40:39 i bought it in Benelux... Nov 29 17:40:45 cool Nov 29 17:41:31 hozer: and the settings menu (surprise!) has the menu item to power on/off bluetooth. Nov 29 17:41:46 (but if you want more than just power on /off via gui, you'll have to write it yourself. Nov 29 17:41:49 ) Nov 29 17:43:22 is there anywhere an working qemu tut? Nov 29 17:43:42 on the wiki it works right? Nov 29 17:43:51 I did that 1 week ago Nov 29 17:43:53 i guess... Nov 29 17:43:58 but i won't use it Nov 29 17:44:14 no it doesnt work Nov 29 17:44:22 oh :( Nov 29 17:44:58 mwester: I can't seem to figure out the settings stuff ;) I did find the docs.. but hciconfig dev doesn't seem to work Nov 29 17:45:03 i get kernel... not found Nov 29 17:46:34 Nov 29 07:42:23 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1177]: WARNING: Timeout: device started but not connected Nov 29 17:47:58 mmp: have you put your project to any source control thing yet? Nov 29 17:51:01 hozer: I just flashed the latest SHR for the gta01, went to the settings menu, turned bluetooth on, and hciconfig dev is happy. Nov 29 17:53:26 Mwester, neat :) Nov 29 17:56:27 haha, sleep while 2 Nov 29 18:13:45 no gps fix :( Nov 29 18:21:24 what dfu-utl dfu_download error -71 means Nov 29 18:23:07 ahoi :) Nov 29 18:31:18 is there a power nap app for openmoko? Nov 29 18:33:40 esa-petri: iirc the wiki said something about that any error messages indicate a probable failed transfer ... so just try again Nov 29 18:34:27 tuxi: not yet Nov 29 18:34:32 esa-petri: i've had error-110, never 71, and wiki says nothing about it Nov 29 18:34:50 tuxi: sorry for the delay, I'm just at work... Nov 29 18:35:46 ah.. k Nov 29 18:35:54 tell me if so Nov 29 18:36:12 if you want i would participiate in your project Nov 29 18:36:36 tuxi: any helping hand is good, if python won't be a problem :) Nov 29 18:37:07 no shouldn't be and would be a good start for me in openmoko development Nov 29 18:52:40 hello, sorry for potentionaly dumb question, but how do you force 802.11b mode on a 802.11b network on freerunners internal wifi? Nov 29 18:52:57 sorry, *on a 802.11g network Nov 29 18:54:23 I've really been googling a lot and can't find anything, iwconfig eth0 modu doesn't work and I can't find any iwpriv command to do it, so I guess its done somehow else ? Nov 29 18:57:25 well, please could somebody point me to some documentation on the ar6k-ng driver ? please, I just can't find it... Nov 29 18:58:35 is it even possible to do that? Nov 29 18:58:57 change modulation? dunno, can't find datasheet Nov 29 19:00:40 I understand this card is kind of atypical since it is on some SDIO bus ? Nov 29 19:02:09 really it's nice openmoko wiki is pointing to datasheet with 2 colorful pages full of advertising text, no registers/commands/whatever :) Nov 29 19:03:05 * sparrow waves Nov 29 19:04:35 well, accton page (manufacturer of the module) doesn't provide any datasheet either, so I guess this is yet another non-open part of freeruner or does it have some kind of standard interface ? Nov 29 19:09:32 jc: the chip can uses other busses too Nov 29 19:09:46 but i don't think sdio is atypical Nov 29 19:10:36 balrog-kun could you pls point me to some docs ? Nov 29 19:11:07 jc: all the docs that exists are in the driver code from atheros Nov 29 19:11:30 balrog-kun, oh, is it part of the vanilla kernel? how is it called please? Nov 29 19:11:46 you see, I just got freerunner and I'm SO excited to get online Nov 29 19:12:05 jc: it isn't, there's a driver in the openmoko kernel, but this one i don't think it has the docs Nov 29 19:12:16 there's a sourceforge project with the oringinal code from atheros Nov 29 19:12:21 but my wap is horribly broken and on any linux machine (including freerunner) when connected via 802.11g, the link crashes whenever you transmit larger data Nov 29 19:12:34 they're pretty good as for a wifi card, but obviously you don't get direct access to the radio or antyhing like that Nov 29 19:13:04 oh, so no faking of nintendo ds wireless multiboot stations, shame :) Nov 29 19:13:37 yep, not from your phone :p Nov 29 19:14:12 ok, so newest revision of the driver is in openmoko kernel, right ? Nov 29 19:14:41 yes Nov 29 19:15:01 in this repo? git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git Nov 29 19:16:57 aah that seems to be a large one :) thanks for pointing me, I'll have a look :) Nov 29 19:17:10 maybe it'll give me finally a reason to replace the damn wap Nov 29 19:18:39 I was wondering if anyone has been playing with the FSO release? Nov 29 19:18:53 I have :) Nov 29 19:19:03 completely unstable Nov 29 19:19:07 broken suspend Nov 29 19:19:08 lol Nov 29 19:19:25 ooh sorry, I got it confused, I meant fdom Nov 29 19:19:31 Ah Nov 29 19:19:54 There are alot of distro's, so its easy to get mixed up ;) Nov 29 19:20:53 well, only thing I managed to enjoy on this pda so far is to flash the leds/backlight/vibrator and frighten people with remote pulseaudio :D Nov 29 19:21:11 =) Nov 29 19:21:18 sooo fun Nov 29 19:21:23 jc - Did you just get your freerunner? Nov 29 19:21:29 yes :) Nov 29 19:21:38 yesterday :) Nov 29 19:21:46 Its a fun device to play with Nov 29 19:21:55 absolutely Nov 29 19:22:14 but all those alsa controls ale frightening :D Nov 29 19:22:19 I must admit, that I just unpacked mine. Put it away for 2 months. Nov 29 19:22:46 I guess it's really hard to get it working Nov 29 19:23:43 Well, almost all the distro's are still under development. Nov 29 19:23:50 I didn't find any of the 'already complete' distros usable, mostly because of hardware issues Nov 29 19:24:09 but there seems to be a chance, if you use latest experimental kernel, maybe stuff will work Nov 29 19:26:09 Afternoon everybody! Nov 29 19:26:24 aaah still cloning the repo, I just caaaan't wait to try minimo and get on the web via wifi :) Nov 29 19:26:42 hello :) Nov 29 19:26:55 rasterman around? Nov 29 19:28:33 jc - One of the things I was working on was adding support on my fr to control an Arduino project Nov 29 19:28:46 sparrow, I work with AVRs too :)) Nov 29 19:28:49 Just playin' with Illume, but I guess it's only the WM working ATM? Nov 29 19:29:19 sparrow, I guess you could connect it via uart over usb/bluetooth ? Nov 29 19:29:34 sparrow, theres a neat avr-usb library Nov 29 19:29:51 jc - Yeah, I was using bluetooth. Nov 29 19:30:56 sparrow I don't have much experience with bluetooth yet unfortunately :) So did you manage to get it working ? Nov 29 19:31:42 jc - Yeah, I got it working under Om 2007.2 Nov 29 19:32:01 sparrow thats the default firmware, isn't it ? Nov 29 19:32:41 sparrow, just out of curiosity, how do you establish serial link over bluetooth in linux? I think on windows its done through sockets Nov 29 19:34:33 jc - It was pretty easy because of the bluez framework. There is a serial driver in the support software Nov 29 19:35:00 sparrow and in what did you do the frontend? :) Nov 29 19:35:17 anyone know of a simple image viewer for SHR? Nov 29 19:35:25 jc - gtk python Nov 29 19:35:51 sparrow so pygtk? did you use glade? :) Nov 29 19:36:21 thats just amazing, all this on a mobile device, so simple to do a neat frontend to control an embedded application :) Nov 29 19:36:29 I so have to do that with my avr uv lamp :)) Nov 29 19:42:17 Arg0naut: omview or gpe-gallery Nov 29 19:42:27 use X-Ray, much faster;-) Nov 29 19:42:57 just out of curiosity, does anyone use gnome on theyr phone? ;P Nov 29 19:43:10 I mean with metacity and everything :) Nov 29 19:43:42 DocScrutinizer2: thx, never tried that on the FR =] Nov 29 19:44:34 sicu: xray? be careful! kills microphone at >40kV Nov 29 19:45:46 but probably a covinient method to erase flash ;-) Nov 29 19:46:49 xray does it too? I thought only UV light did that Nov 29 19:47:14 nope, every ionizing radiation does Nov 29 19:47:38 is it destructive ? Nov 29 19:47:43 uv, xray, gamma Nov 29 19:47:58 yup, for microphone Nov 29 19:48:21 oh.. poor neo.. Nov 29 19:48:22 i'll bring the FR with me next time i'm up for a CAT scan Nov 29 19:48:46 it'd be deaf for the rest of its lifespan Nov 29 19:49:04 unless you connect a hearing aid I guess :)) Nov 29 19:49:14 not completely tho, buzz will stay XD Nov 29 19:49:34 haha Nov 29 19:49:43 X-) Nov 29 19:49:50 and yeah, of course you can use a headset still Nov 29 19:50:13 doctor is he going to be ok? thell me the truth ! Nov 29 19:50:36 well.. he had some serious radiation exposure but the adc doesn't seem to be affected.. Nov 29 19:50:56 after you reflashed calypso (given the bootloader needs to survive) Nov 29 19:51:06 doesnt it have jtag ? Nov 29 19:51:44 ooh don't tell me its possible to brick the fr :) Nov 29 19:52:27 in fact I dunno if jtag could debrick calypso Nov 29 19:52:54 or jtag might get bricked as well Nov 29 19:53:09 I gues they should have put 'don't carry along on your next cat scan' sign under the lao c` quote on the 'manual' :) Nov 29 19:53:22 *ss Nov 29 19:53:48 dunno how jtag programming works but I think it accesses directly the flash chips ? Nov 29 19:54:14 I think that should be implemented in gates on the chip :) Nov 29 19:54:35 jup, but still there's some kinda protocol where some fw might be needed for Nov 29 19:54:55 well, does it erase rom cells also? :) Nov 29 19:54:57 * hozer curses at hci/bluethooth on his macbook Nov 29 19:55:00 but I guess thats mask programmed Nov 29 19:55:13 depends on rom Nov 29 19:55:41 I seem to have bluetooth up on the neo, but the macbook (running linux) is not finding the bluetooth adapter Nov 29 19:56:33 if it's gate-on-isolation type:yes, if it's fuse-type or mask:no Nov 29 19:56:56 lets take a peek into the datasheet... Nov 29 19:58:03 usually you won't find out about e.g. type of rom the calypso rom-bootloader resides in Nov 29 19:59:02 well.. if jtag is connected directly to the cpu, there should be some info about the programming in there, right ? Nov 29 19:59:19 I think some flash even resides on-chip Nov 29 19:59:28 floating-gate-on-isolator most common technology now Nov 29 19:59:56 sure, the bootloader Nov 29 20:00:00 well.. only one way to find out definitely Nov 29 20:00:17 but guess whos not putting his money on the line :D Nov 29 20:00:19 dentist ;-) Nov 29 20:00:44 yep we sure do have lots of laboratories with many scary radiation symbols around here :D Nov 29 20:01:07 mainly, that would be the local nuclear power plant, I guess Nov 29 20:01:43 'hey, would you mind attaching this to a rod and lowering it in there for a moment? pleeease its for a reaserch project' :)) Nov 29 20:01:46 well killing mic wasn't a joke. datasheets say "not more than 40kV" iirc Nov 29 20:01:59 isnt that voltage ? Nov 29 20:02:11 electrostatic mic! ;-) Nov 29 20:02:34 that one with the permament electrostatic charge material ? Nov 29 20:02:44 that's also "hardness" of radiation Nov 29 20:02:59 yup Nov 29 20:03:24 will be no longer charged, after xray Nov 29 20:03:44 same as flashrom Nov 29 20:04:25 so the jfet in it would have permanently zero gate-source voltage so only some power noise is amplified after that... Nov 29 20:04:25 Is it possible to sync an OpenMoko to Mac OSs and Ubuntus? Nov 29 20:04:53 completely deaf Nov 29 20:04:57 thats cruel Nov 29 20:05:00 * DocScrutinizer2 makes a notice to ask the chip manufs about xray sensitivity Nov 29 20:05:49 * jc searches SC32442B datasheet for x-ray :D Nov 29 20:06:01 jc: on the point Nov 29 20:06:11 still searching Nov 29 20:06:26 what a suprise, nothing... Nov 29 20:07:21 not even a esd note anywhere Nov 29 20:07:27 I'm more concerned abot ar6k fw Nov 29 20:08:12 (2442) probably some other document Nov 29 20:08:24 oh, do you have its docs ? Nov 29 20:08:38 I can't find how to force 802.11b modulation on 802.11g network Nov 29 20:08:49 ESD should be mentioned near ABS MAX RATINGS Nov 29 20:09:18 that would be in electrical section right? can't find them.. Nov 29 20:09:35 we don't have docs on wifi fw Nov 29 20:09:35 ooh now I see it its at the tp Nov 29 20:10:11 well only logic levels and temeperature in abs ratings Nov 29 20:10:21 :-/ Nov 29 20:10:27 wtf? Nov 29 20:10:40 thats lame Nov 29 20:10:57 for extended periods: -25 to 85 deg. celsius Nov 29 20:11:22 yeah I know it's even hard to find sth about current Nov 29 20:11:31 on VDD Nov 29 20:11:49 ohh currents not here either :) Nov 29 20:11:54 now THATs lame :0 Nov 29 20:11:55 :) Nov 29 20:12:03 no power dissipation, nothing Nov 29 20:12:09 nope Nov 29 20:12:12 only voltage supplies Nov 29 20:12:37 well whatever, lets just be glad it works :)) Nov 29 20:13:06 I'm not soldering this thing into any projects of mine in the near term anyway :D Nov 29 20:13:28 I bet Nov 29 20:13:52 probably even hard to source in single qty Nov 29 20:14:02 looks like some tiny bga package Nov 29 20:14:06 fbga... Nov 29 20:14:22 yep Nov 29 20:14:33 maybe they give out samples ? Nov 29 20:14:46 maybe Nov 29 20:14:58 oh and they give evaluation boards Nov 29 20:15:21 well I got the ultimate evaluation board riiight here :D Nov 29 20:15:34 since its not usable as a phone/pda, whatever else would it be? :D Nov 29 20:16:10 HAH .. So how would I get a *reliable* usb bluetooth dongle? Nov 29 20:18:16 hrrm, so apparently if I just wait around long enough it decides to wokr Nov 29 20:20:14 Hmm... didn't know that could be used as a verb. :p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOKR Nov 29 20:21:29 god's country radio? Nov 29 20:21:51 mwester: to WOKR: send out educational bullshit all day and night? Nov 29 20:23:19 programmers typo all the time, get used to it :D Nov 29 20:23:38 ROTFL Nov 29 20:23:41 This network targets persons 35-64 Nov 29 20:23:45 * mwester nveer mkes tpyos. Nov 29 20:23:45 maybe if they didn't you could suspend your FR :))) Nov 29 20:23:48 * hozer curses more Nov 29 20:23:50 damn, i don't fit Nov 29 20:23:57 just kidding :D Nov 29 20:24:10 I need a way to get into my neo without using USB so I can use it as a usb master Nov 29 20:24:27 bt/wifi ? Nov 29 20:24:40 or that onboard serial console/i2c or something ? Nov 29 20:24:41 no wifi on the gta01 ;) Nov 29 20:24:49 * mwester suggest bluetooth PANU/NAP, with a bridge on the NAP side -- works very nicely for him with SHR. Nov 29 20:25:05 (and an NSLU2 w/SLugOS as the NAP bridge device) Nov 29 20:25:20 normal BNEP should work too (and be easier to set up) Nov 29 20:25:32 Yep. Nov 29 20:25:33 mwester: that requires some other device with working bluetooth ;) Nov 29 20:25:47 hozer: your second Neo1973 Nov 29 20:26:00 * mwester starts to count... Nov 29 20:26:11 * hozer beats balrog-kun Nov 29 20:26:14 oooh finally i got the openmoko kernel repo cloned :)) Nov 29 20:26:34 actually.. what are gta01's going for on ebay? Nov 29 20:27:02 varies all over the place. but not too many gta01, mostly over-priced FRs. Nov 29 20:27:27 I'll take a gta01 with busted screen or something Nov 29 20:27:50 mwester: does NSLU2 have built in BT? Nov 29 20:28:04 No - I use an eBay BT dongle Nov 29 20:28:09 bt module with uart costs about $30 converted from our currency Nov 29 20:28:11 $5 Nov 29 20:28:26 so any old random BT dongle should work? Nov 29 20:28:34 Pretty much Nov 29 20:28:35 I think rfcomm, despite being veeery slow is reliable ? Nov 29 20:28:56 almost; I've heard reports of some obscure bt dongles not working properly, but most do, really Nov 29 20:29:14 good luck Nov 29 20:29:25 * hozer wonders if the frogpad BT comes with a dongle Nov 29 20:29:31 It's hard to find any that aren't the cambridge silion units anymore, they seem to own the market at this point. Nov 29 20:29:52 * hozer will make a bestbuy run then later Nov 29 20:30:11 what do I need to make a gta01 a USB master? Nov 29 20:30:24 echo a value to the right sys node Nov 29 20:30:33 will it supply power? Nov 29 20:30:34 (and a cable, of course) Nov 29 20:30:40 that it won't Nov 29 20:30:44 Very limited power. 100ma at best. Nov 29 20:30:53 nnno, not at all Nov 29 20:30:56 Er, FR will supply power, gta01 will not. Nov 29 20:31:18 I just want to talk to the fttdi serial chip on a watts-up? power meter Nov 29 20:31:41 that's rather irrelevant Nov 29 20:31:51 isnt that usb-serial converter ? Nov 29 20:31:52 whatever you want to talk to needs power Nov 29 20:31:55 can I run the radio and the cpu on 100ma? Nov 29 20:32:01 it can be self powered Nov 29 20:32:19 okay, so I need a 3-way cable anywey Nov 29 20:32:40 put 5v on the power lines from a usb hub? Nov 29 20:32:42 jc, can be, though even then there's a good chance it'll want to see 5V on the usb cable to talk Nov 29 20:33:11 Hey, who wrote the dialer in SHR? Nov 29 20:33:13 if I recall correctly, usb master initiates all communication Nov 29 20:33:24 they're all new apps Nov 29 20:33:35 can I get a three headed cable anywhere, or am I going to be cutting up cables? Nov 29 20:33:36 (dialer and SMS app) Nov 29 20:33:50 jc, doesn't matter if the device is blissfully ignorant of the usb master being present Nov 29 20:34:00 hozer, I think you need to take out you wire stripper ;] Nov 29 20:34:12 which ftdi chip is it ? Nov 29 20:34:17 aanyway, yeah, just get a three-pronged cable and feed power into it Nov 29 20:36:03 jc: ID 0403:6001 Nov 29 20:36:20 btw to connect for example a usb flash to my freerunner, I just need a mini to normal usb socket cable ? Nov 29 20:36:28 the first is VID ? Nov 29 20:36:40 yes Nov 29 20:36:59 jc, pretty much yes. Nov 29 20:37:01 FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC Nov 29 20:37:08 thats exactly the one we use in our avr projects Nov 29 20:37:18 'cause the freerunner can be configured to give power, as said Nov 29 20:37:21 well, the same ID, dunno if the same chip Nov 29 20:37:31 mjr, thx Nov 29 20:37:47 jc: I am also thinking about just reworking the wattsup meter to put 5v on the usb bus Nov 29 20:37:55 well, would be useful if you knew the exact designation of the chip Nov 29 20:38:02 this id seems to be generic ftdi usb-uart Nov 29 20:38:26 hozer do you have it connected to usb right now and have the lsusb utility ? Nov 29 20:38:31 yeah.. I will have to open the case. Although I would find a 3-head cable useful anyway Nov 29 20:38:33 jc: yes Nov 29 20:39:00 hozer in lsusb -v you should see full name of the device Nov 29 20:39:59 idVendor 0x0403 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd Nov 29 20:40:00 idProduct 0x6001 8-bit FIFO Nov 29 20:40:00 bcdDevice 6.00 Nov 29 20:40:00 iManufacturer 1 Nov 29 20:40:00 iProduct 2 Nov 29 20:40:00 iSerial 3 Nov 29 20:40:12 so its actually dtdi usb-fifo Nov 29 20:40:18 I think i saw one too.. Nov 29 20:40:53 its a low speed device, right ? Nov 29 20:41:09 I am pretty sure Nov 29 20:41:25 lets see.. Nov 29 20:42:27 it could be: FT245R, FT245BM, FT245BL, FT245BQ and FT8U245AM Nov 29 20:43:23 and on the first one: Nov 29 20:43:24 # Support for bus powered, self powered, and high-power bus powered USB configurations. Nov 29 20:45:44 this is the device it is in ? http://www.smarthome.com/9055/Watts-Up-Power-Meter/p.aspx Nov 29 20:45:59 so uh.. anyone have any hint of what OM is preparing for christmas? Nov 29 20:46:23 * mjr hopes working low-level hardware support... Nov 29 20:46:32 a stable kernel release with all hardware working? :) Nov 29 20:46:43 high-five! Nov 29 20:47:13 I would so love to give a hand, but I just don't orient in the kernel that much yet :/ Nov 29 20:48:00 jc, hmm, sounds almost like it might possibly acknowledge being connected to a powerless host... Nov 29 20:48:33 I know from practice FTDI chips can work that way, but for sure only the uart ones Nov 29 20:49:29 I think the only reason they have the self powered/host powered configuration is so that they can send a correct descriptor Nov 29 20:49:42 but anyway Nov 29 20:50:05 you could make a 'pass through' Nov 29 20:51:09 a 5V external power source, possibly with 7805 to keep things simple and two diodes to only power the client device Nov 29 20:51:55 ooh right, diodes are not necessary if you don't connect +5V from the host Nov 29 20:52:19 and of course you might want to power both... Nov 29 20:52:28 wouldnt it damage the host ? Nov 29 20:53:11 01, no, 02, you probably want to make sure it's configured right... Nov 29 20:53:36 i think the initial pull up is arbitrary 3.3V to one data pin, so +5V from host isn't involved, right ? Nov 29 20:53:46 don't know about damage though, but I wouldn't test my luck Nov 29 20:54:07 well.. I certainly wouldnt source current into a usb host :) Nov 29 20:54:18 maybe with usb otg its possible, i havent read that yet.. Nov 29 20:55:32 Into a standard host, no. We talked about nonstandard ones (gta01 in particular), where the lines don't ever do anything else than take in power Nov 29 20:55:49 (and, as an aside, the 02, where it's configurable, as said) Nov 29 20:56:21 btw. why is there usb 1.1 in both devices ? Nov 29 20:56:33 because that's what the socs provide Nov 29 20:57:12 of course I'm refering to the choice of the cpus :) Nov 29 20:57:28 I think its a shame... Nov 29 20:57:53 afaik 2.0 capable ones were rather expensive when developed... Nov 29 20:58:16 oh.. ok... Nov 29 21:02:13 hey folks... i was wondering if anyone had an ideo as to where i could find something talking about gprs for att on qtextended... or is there another board for qt? Nov 29 21:02:22 idea* Nov 29 21:02:48 well, it would be possible to try the net bonding driver to pass data through usb/bt/wifi simulataneously and acheive combined speed maybe... Nov 29 21:04:03 well.. i was just wanting to connect at all... if that was for me... Nov 29 21:04:29 gprs is working? :) Nov 29 21:05:11 i haven't been able to get it to... the logs say that my ttySAC0 device was an unrecognised option through the gui Nov 29 21:07:46 that just reminded me, why is the wireless interface in default called eth0? ;P Nov 29 21:08:47 no clue.. i guess because technically it IS an ethernet device... just not quite the same media Nov 29 21:09:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS Nov 29 21:09:11 ask the driver guys Nov 29 21:09:27 makies sense though... my wifi on my lappy is eth1 Nov 29 21:09:34 mine is wifi0 :) Nov 29 21:09:43 on my laptop quite the same Nov 29 21:10:02 eth1, wlan0, and ath0... multiple devs... Nov 29 21:10:08 but wifi isnt exactly ethernet on the second layer, right ? Nov 29 21:10:17 only similar ? Nov 29 21:10:39 hmm.. can't remember... Nov 29 21:10:42 not really Nov 29 21:10:47 yeah.. simmilar Nov 29 21:11:31 it has arp and stuff but it also has some deterministic data flow features that totally differentiate it from bare bone ethernet Nov 29 21:12:12 but yeah, it's just frustrating.. my choices are using neo w/o gprs, or my 8125 that works awesome with it... but really, i bought a neo... i don't want ppl seeing a wm device on me.. it's like a vegan at a steakhouse Nov 29 21:12:36 (layer) I'm quite sure PHY is different Nov 29 21:12:51 physical layer is of course different :D Nov 29 21:12:59 since wifi is wireless and ethernet is wired :D Nov 29 21:13:35 I didn't really try gprs yet, i'd love to have at least wifi working.. Nov 29 21:13:45 yea Nov 29 21:15:09 I think theres absolutely not enough information yet to get people into the hacking mood on freerunner hardware Nov 29 21:15:32 besides the cpu datasheet, thats the strong point Nov 29 21:16:11 is there any gtk engine which would use the same themes/colors as illume? Nov 29 21:16:40 or any other way to make etk <=> gtk difference less visible? Nov 29 21:17:12 (actually, gtk on freerunner with its default engine is not very usable...) Nov 29 21:17:31 (speaking about default gtk engine, not the openmoko one) Nov 29 21:18:18 dunno, I didn't like it either Nov 29 21:18:26 I'm switching to gtk only... Nov 29 21:19:05 as for the window manager part, I don't really know what works reliably and fits on a pda.. Nov 29 21:19:11 e keeps crashing on me Nov 29 21:20:28 i had e crash alot... that's why i've been using qtopia... it's been awesome, keeps the charge well and works pretty well with wifi Nov 29 21:21:12 I'm afraid of installing debian.. what if it doesn't recharge the battery... Nov 29 21:21:54 I didn't really see qtopia yet, is it usable, as in everything hardware works ? Nov 29 21:23:14 i've only got the 512 that came with it, and a 2g sd that doesn't play well with formatting, gotta restart everytime... and when i tried debian on the 512.. i really didn't get too far into it.. Nov 29 21:23:24 jc: from my point of view, gtk theme is good on normal PC, but on this device (with display DPI like on FR:) it's simply not useable witnout pen and constantly looking on the display. Nov 29 21:23:27 mmm what is the status of A-GPS? The wiki is kind of confusing. Nov 29 21:23:48 wiki is kind of confusing on many places Nov 29 21:23:55 well.. bluetooth gui doesn't work with new image, but other than that.. i've heard that you have to install gps apps, but it comes with alot Nov 29 21:24:15 mmp, I agree Nov 29 21:24:54 * mmp switched to SHR yesterday, and found that there are lots of gtk apps :( Nov 29 21:25:03 bxyrk so calling and stuff and wifi works ? Nov 29 21:25:06 with not very tuned default settings Nov 29 21:25:10 yeah.. i have to have places on the screen that just about no matter what go back.. driving + making calls on debian... scary Nov 29 21:25:51 yeah.. volume seems low.. but i get no problems.. every now and then.. incoming calls start with speakerphone.. but hardly any problems Nov 29 21:26:00 and what about the 'linux from scratch' aproach? :) Nov 29 21:26:13 you know, everything by hand Nov 29 21:26:37 and a capable armv4t crosscompiler of course :D Nov 29 21:26:57 hmm.. closest i've come to that was gentoo... did one install.. then switched to ubuntu.. i just don't have the time to tinker anymore Nov 29 21:27:07 ..on desktop.. Nov 29 21:27:08 I use gentoo on all my computers and servers.. Nov 29 21:27:29 its actually quite comfy when you get used to it Nov 29 21:27:42 hi Nov 29 21:27:48 hello Nov 29 21:28:11 could some one do me a favour and is able to build libxcomp for the gta02? Nov 29 21:28:31 woglinde is arm crosscompiler sufficient for that task ? Nov 29 21:28:41 binutils+gcc Nov 29 21:28:49 i've used it alot.. and i like.. but installs are scary.. and with a broken desktop, a borrowed lappy and only the hdd being mine and no funds for it all.. it gets scary Nov 29 21:28:51 +libc I think Nov 29 21:28:58 jc x too Nov 29 21:29:06 jc I could do it my self Nov 29 21:29:12 but that would be last 4 hours Nov 29 21:29:19 I do not want waited yet Nov 29 21:29:27 jc with openembedded of course Nov 29 21:29:29 libxcomp is some part of xorg ? Nov 29 21:29:34 jc nope Nov 29 21:29:42 its working with x stuff Nov 29 21:29:50 but comes from nomachine Nov 29 21:30:08 so its not a really a part of xorg Nov 29 21:30:25 if you heard of the nx server Nov 29 21:30:56 so its part of some X implementation called nx ? Nov 29 21:31:09 its a compression lib for x protocl Nov 29 21:31:14 nomachine? Nov 29 21:31:21 oh Nov 29 21:31:30 so you can use x-connection even over modem connections Nov 29 21:31:36 www.nomachine.com Nov 29 21:32:12 want to try it on the freerunner Nov 29 21:32:20 but zecke forget to copy me this lib Nov 29 21:32:24 well I think I don't have the necessary requiered libraries compiled Nov 29 21:32:39 only thing I did with arms yet was flashing leds and reading sd cards Nov 29 21:32:43 jc but you have the gcc and glibc ready from oe? Nov 29 21:32:45 so it would take time I guess Nov 29 21:32:54 I have them compiled by hand Nov 29 21:32:59 oh Nov 29 21:33:30 with cflags that seem to be compatible with freerunner as a matter of coincidence Nov 29 21:33:38 i got it just yesterday (freerunner) Nov 29 21:33:47 but I didn't try any compiled binary yet... Nov 29 21:34:30 since I can't get the damn wifi working :D Nov 29 21:39:31 btw. do you know if wakeup from rtc is working ? Nov 29 21:40:06 I think alarms apps use that, and seems to work Nov 29 21:40:51 thx Nov 29 21:47:20 anyone know what pander's irc nick is? Nov 29 21:48:12 anybody know how to turn off password request when SSH'ing to the FR ? Nov 29 21:48:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r87a53672b66b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (13 files in 9 dirs): ogsmd: cosmetics Nov 29 21:48:43 sicu: use ssh keys Nov 29 21:49:07 I've tried editing dropbear and adding DROPBEAR_EXTRA_ARGS="-s", but after doing that it won't let me in anymore :/ Nov 29 21:50:57 viq: i have created SSH key on desktop and copied the .pub to the FR Nov 29 21:51:38 sicu: make sure the authorized_keys is not group/world writeable Nov 29 21:51:54 sicu I guess you should allow passwordless root, dunno how but I think it has to do with dropbearconfig and pam Nov 29 21:52:17 hmmm Nov 29 21:52:27 ok, thanks ... i will look into it Nov 29 21:54:01 ooh you mean completely request keyboard interactive login ? Nov 29 21:54:15 yes, viq is right, you should use ssh key then Nov 29 22:11:17 could anyone point me in the right direction on how to compile a kernel module using the toolchain? Nov 29 22:12:10 Can the Freerunner vibrate when it receives a phone call? Nov 29 22:12:21 Spanska, yes Nov 29 22:12:59 "meeting" mode, if you are useing qtextended Nov 29 22:13:04 max_posedon: is this supported in FSO? Nov 29 22:14:03 I think yes, but didn't know anything about it Nov 29 22:14:53 What does qtextended GUI's look like? Nov 29 22:28:58 umm... Nov 29 22:29:04 what the heck? Nov 29 22:29:07 emacsian? Nov 29 22:29:29 I wonder if they look like me with a goatee Nov 29 22:53:15 mmm how does one connect to an AP in latest lint-wifi in FDOM? Nov 29 23:01:00 good news everybody! Nov 29 23:01:16 glamo is much faster with the latest kernels Nov 29 23:01:27 really? Nov 29 23:01:30 i'm seeing a cca. 50% improvement in fps Nov 29 23:01:35 woot! Nov 29 23:01:42 yupp Nov 29 23:01:50 i'm also really excited Nov 29 23:01:56 cheers igor3234 opening a beer here to celebrate :) well done all :) Nov 29 23:01:57 waow :) Nov 29 23:02:12 yeah, bottoms up everybody :) Nov 29 23:02:19 50% increase? that is a hell of a lot :) Nov 29 23:02:25 yep, 50% is a lot Nov 29 23:02:27 where did it all come from? Nov 29 23:02:42 from a patch that increases the glamos clock Nov 29 23:02:46 by 60% Nov 29 23:02:48 :) Nov 29 23:03:17 is it stable at that? or was glamo not being run at full clock speed? Nov 29 23:03:33 according to the commit logs it's stable Nov 29 23:03:50 i'm testing it with an opengl app someone posted on the ML Nov 29 23:04:00 it used to give me 9 fps or so Nov 29 23:04:15 I can't mount my SD card on my computer: I formated it in 2 partitions: an ext3 and a fat. I can mount the fat, but not the ext3 Nov 29 23:04:18 i got 14,3 now Nov 29 23:04:32 that's about 50% right? :) Nov 29 23:04:35 sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/mokoroot/ Nov 29 23:04:43 any idea when it is due to hit the FSO or SHR trees or is this long term stuff? Nov 29 23:04:57 returns "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2, Nov 29 23:05:17 and a dmesg tells that VFS is unable to find an ext3 fs Nov 29 23:05:30 Tig|: well you can try it right now, i'm also using the new bootloader, and it boots a half minute sooner Nov 29 23:05:51 i didn't touch SHR, just different kernel and bootloader Nov 29 23:10:22 igor3234: where did you get the kernel images from or did you build it from source? Nov 29 23:10:50 http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ Nov 29 23:11:11 thanks :) Nov 29 23:11:36 np :) Nov 29 23:12:52 igor3234: should I replace modules in /lib/modules too? Nov 29 23:14:07 i didn't Nov 29 23:14:16 igor3234: ok Nov 29 23:14:47 someone tried hackable 1 yet? Nov 29 23:14:50 seems nice... Nov 29 23:15:51 everybody trying the new kernel, bear in mind, neither the bootloader nor the image fully work the first time Nov 29 23:15:58 i have no reason why Nov 29 23:16:01 *idea Nov 29 23:17:28 scummvm is finally smooth, and no sound breakage, thank you kernel team, i'm opening up a can of stella :) Nov 29 23:17:50 igor, you make a belgian smile ;) Nov 29 23:18:27 and i'm helping your economy too ;) Nov 29 23:18:53 is there any particular reason why openmoko distributions use gtk 2.10, instead of gtk 2.14 (so far I've seen fastscaling patch...) Nov 29 23:18:54 hm... actually Stella ain't that good anymore ;) Nov 29 23:19:00 50% Brazilian now;) Nov 29 23:20:02 bah, it's good enough for me :) Nov 29 23:20:40 safir for the win :p Nov 29 23:21:48 igor3234: opening a box of Raznjici Nov 29 23:22:43 raznjići rock my world ;) Nov 29 23:22:51 *ražnjići Nov 29 23:23:02 (and what about bakalar for Christmass ;)) Nov 29 23:23:02 hope noone minds utf-8 :) Nov 29 23:23:14 ( i don't have those characters on my keyboard:D Nov 29 23:23:23 yeah i'm gonna eat a lot of that this year :) Nov 29 23:23:32 no idea what those are:d Nov 29 23:23:45 oh Nov 29 23:23:49 Wikipedia seems helpfull ;) Nov 29 23:24:10 what specific article are you looking at? Nov 29 23:24:16 i also wanna learn :) Nov 29 23:24:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_cuisine Nov 29 23:25:23 how extensive :D Nov 29 23:26:14 neat;) Nov 29 23:28:12 http://www.dfki.uni-kl.de/~grimnes/2008/10/dilbert/dilbertrequirements.jpg Nov 29 23:28:31 change the last sentence to: I can make a program that makes a mooo cow appear on the screen... Nov 29 23:29:43 openmoocow, what a great piece of software it is Nov 29 23:30:00 openmoko's own killer app :) Nov 29 23:30:16 How many casualties so far? ;) Nov 29 23:30:26 We should change that cartoon and put it on to the jokes page;) Nov 29 23:31:05 pieterc: I don't understand.... what needs changing? Nov 29 23:31:30 the last sentence of this cartoon i referred to Nov 29 23:31:37 change fish by moo cow Nov 29 23:32:05 pieterc: apologies I was being sarcastic :) Nov 29 23:32:29 -sigh- ;) Nov 29 23:34:16 _____ Nov 29 23:34:16 < Moo > Nov 29 23:34:16 ----- Nov 29 23:34:16 \ ^__^ Nov 29 23:34:16 \ (oo)\_______ Nov 29 23:34:18 (__)\ )\/\ Nov 29 23:34:21 ||----w | Nov 29 23:34:23 || || Nov 29 23:34:40 ^^ Nov 29 23:34:45 er... nice? :d Nov 29 23:34:46 cowsay, also a great piece of software ;) Nov 29 23:34:48 kd8ikt: NO U Nov 29 23:35:11 igor3234: my u-boot can't get the new kernel? which u-boot version should I used? Nov 29 23:35:27 i didn't work with u-boot for me Nov 29 23:35:31 only with qi Nov 29 23:35:40 hello OpenMoko community ; I gave up a party tonight, after I starting SSH'ing into my GTA02... Nov 29 23:35:53 i partied yesterday so i can ssh today Nov 29 23:36:16 -looks confused- Nov 29 23:36:36 valos[fr]: don't forget to read about qi on the wiki, it's confusing at first Nov 29 23:36:45 I think my microSD card is dead .... I got a plenty of I/O Error in dmesg when trying to mkfs.ext2 ... however, mkfs.ext2 doesn't complain itself Nov 29 23:36:54 can you flash using qi? Nov 29 23:37:02 I mean, use dfu Nov 29 23:37:02 dont think so Nov 29 23:37:08 i thought... Nov 29 23:37:10 no, u have to use the NOR uboot for that Nov 29 23:37:12 and then, I can't mount the partition. (I don't have this problem with a fat FS) Nov 29 23:37:15 oh Nov 29 23:37:15 okay Nov 29 23:37:34 but it's faster, the wiki page claims 40 seconds Nov 29 23:37:48 fsck.ext2 can't perform, even when specifying a rescue superblock. Nov 29 23:38:06 anyone has any idea to check whether my card is definitly dead or not ? Nov 29 23:38:21 i wouldn't know :/ Nov 29 23:38:39 tried to reformat it entirely yet? Nov 29 23:39:06 yes. I made a shred, then I made a vfat FS on the whole card (after fdisk'd it) Nov 29 23:41:08 hm Nov 29 23:41:15 is there a known optimal transfer size to use with dfu-util when error -110 keep happening during backup ? Nov 29 23:42:28 no idea... Nov 29 23:42:55 (no idea on both problems;)) Nov 29 23:45:06 apparently, the lower transfer size, the quicker I get an error (more or less)... Nov 29 23:45:45 ok. I was planning to buy a bunch of cards, anyway Nov 29 23:47:23 ive had problems with everything except a sandisk Nov 29 23:48:31 I bought 3 different SDHC cards this afternoon, thinking I'd give them a benchmark and update the wiki Nov 29 23:48:49 kd8ikt, ok, I take note Nov 29 23:49:09 are the class 2 / class 4 / class 6 labels to be taken seriously ? Nov 29 23:49:37 HIYA! Nov 29 23:54:13 * Nov 29 23:54:38 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/timeline Nov 29 23:54:38 whoah i almost pasted 66 lines Nov 29 23:57:53 shr completed? Nov 29 23:58:01 thats great Nov 29 23:58:29 milestone 1 Nov 29 23:59:03 great to hear it live;) Nov 30 00:00:36 hi all, anyone got the White Screen of Death? What're the solutions? I'm on SHR Nov 30 00:00:55 yeah but its using FSO framework wich is still a bit, bare Nov 30 00:00:59 what would be some of the limitations of trying to set up a dual boot (if at all possible) of openmoko+WM on a WM device? Nov 30 00:01:42 in terms of the openmoko end Nov 30 00:02:06 peelooo: opkg remove WSoD Nov 30 00:02:17 pieterc, haha Nov 30 00:02:21 pieterc :D Nov 30 00:02:37 ;) Nov 30 00:02:43 slaxxin: SHR is not released, and has not reached first milestone yet Nov 30 00:03:07 whats that link i posted Nov 30 00:03:34 13.49 yesterday? Nov 30 00:03:48 slaxxin, maybe that meant to be "now we're finished at this trac site" Nov 30 00:03:57 "we move on to our own trac" =) Nov 30 00:04:06 it was only marked as completed in OM trac to block new tickets there, as SHR has had their own trac at bearstech for a while now Nov 30 00:04:18 ok Nov 30 00:04:43 :( Nov 30 00:05:07 omfg spammers http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/263 Nov 30 00:05:09 am i the only one with the WSoD on FSO/SHR? got this from mailing list, but doenst solve anything: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33595.html Nov 30 00:07:25 okay, so I went to best buy and got a rocketfish bluetooth dongle, but it seems to only show up as a keyboard/mouse HID device, not a bluetooth adapter Nov 30 00:07:37 haha, kd8kit, do you think it's pointed at the right consumer croud? Nov 30 00:09:03 it's a broadcom BCM2045B2 chip Nov 30 00:10:02 ugh it already has bluetooth... Nov 30 00:10:13 or is this for your computer? Nov 30 00:10:49 for the computer Nov 30 00:10:52 peelooo: try this --> http://brokenmoko.pastebin.com/d11eca7dc Nov 30 00:11:15 I have a macbook that's supposed to have built in bluetooth, but it never shows up after a resume from suspend Nov 30 00:11:41 thanks sicu Nov 30 00:12:33 let me know if it works Nov 30 00:13:06 so I figured I'd try the bestbuy rocketfish bluetooth adapter Nov 30 00:13:12 but I should have known better ;) Nov 30 00:13:26 hozer: what does lsusb say after resume? Nov 30 00:14:30 I did pick up a 4G sdhc for $15, and a nice reader for $5 Nov 30 00:14:32 peelooo: though you will end up with a screen with 100% brightness all the time ... not very battery friendly :/ Nov 30 00:15:19 this is what I get: Starting bluetooth: hcid hid_devicesSwitching device 05ac:1000 to HCI mode failed (Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character) Nov 30 00:15:55 sicu: arf... where does this bug come from? would it be solved in next releases? Nov 30 00:16:10 hid2hci Nov 30 00:16:22 peelooo: i don't suffer from WSoD, but that is what i use when using GPS etc Nov 30 00:16:42 hozer: maybe that one would help you: http://pastebin.com/m74fe14fe Nov 30 00:17:16 sicu: thanks, crossing finger and let's see if it change n next releases :) Nov 30 00:17:45 peelooo: you might get lucky =] Nov 30 00:17:51 :) Nov 30 00:18:09 hum... strange, it's still diming even with this conf Nov 30 00:18:20 peelooo: do you have WSoD only when resuming from suspend? or from screen dimming too? Nov 30 00:18:56 i think it's just from suspend, because wake up already few time after diming Nov 30 00:19:17 did you reboot? Nov 30 00:19:23 ah, then all you need is the suspend=0 then Nov 30 00:19:27 or atleast restart frameworkd Nov 30 00:20:13 yes, complete reboot after modifying /etc/frameworkd.conf Nov 30 00:20:20 wow, my freerunner is hot Nov 30 00:20:43 weird. shouldn't still be dimming then :/ Nov 30 00:21:08 yes, weird... Nov 30 00:21:31 vininim: they get hot while charging (more so on the normal charger not connected to a computer) Nov 30 00:21:44 they do also get warm if you play with them for hours on end Nov 30 00:21:59 that would be the case Nov 30 00:22:12 wonka: that seemed to do something Nov 30 00:22:17 will let if off for a while, duke3d just hang it anyway Nov 30 00:22:20 now bnep is loaded and I can't figure out what is using it Nov 30 00:23:12 (and people don't call me anyway... so ronery.. :) ) Nov 30 00:23:17 vininim, OR, you can change your home screen background to Heidi Klum =D Nov 30 00:23:57 eeewwww Nov 30 00:25:00 also, tested navit today and it looks promising Nov 30 00:27:26 ARGH! Nov 30 00:28:48 what? Nov 30 00:29:28 Fougner: i didn't want to make that joke ;) Nov 30 00:30:14 pieterc, why? :O Nov 30 00:30:46 dunno ;) Nov 30 00:31:40 -playing duke 3d ;) - Nov 30 00:35:31 pieterc, what's the fps in Duke? Nov 30 00:37:23 hm... how do i check that? Nov 30 00:37:27 wooo! I have working bnet! Nov 30 00:37:38 30ms latency though Nov 30 00:37:49 hmmm, not sure Nov 30 00:37:50 * hozer needs to compile NetPIPE for the neo!! Nov 30 00:38:04 maybe there's some command switch Nov 30 00:38:05 sicu: same problem wit all frameworkd.conf set to 0 :/ stll seems to suspend, and definitly dim, weird Nov 30 00:38:23 :/ Nov 30 00:38:56 peelooo: you always had this ... or did it start occuring after an upgrade ? Nov 30 00:39:17 always this Nov 30 00:40:15 badcloud: i don't find a way to check, but i don't think it's very high Nov 30 00:40:24 gotcha Nov 30 00:40:26 thanks Nov 30 00:41:04 RISE AGAINST! =D Nov 30 00:41:40 Does anyone know if there is something I can buy at like Best Buy when I go out today to either replace or recharge my dead neo battery? Nov 30 00:42:05 nokia battery charger Nov 30 00:42:08 Specific charger, or battery kind.. Nov 30 00:42:12 i use an old nokia that has a battery that is compatible Nov 30 00:42:24 Ok, the wiki says a nokia brand one, won't charge it? Nov 30 00:42:27 use the nokia+cable to charge it then swap em Nov 30 00:42:54 bootup with nokia enable usb2 500mah draw hotswap battery then i'm done Nov 30 00:42:59 So look for a nokia charger not branded by nokia, according to the wiki? Nov 30 00:43:26 so here's a question... why can't we run without a battery ? Nov 30 00:43:30 ugh dont you have any nokia junk cellphones or a friend with a nokia? Nov 30 00:43:39 I did but I threw them out. Nov 30 00:43:43 Unfortunately. Nov 30 00:44:42 unfortunalety you threw out your best option for recovery from an extremely low battery Nov 30 00:45:08 I'm using the nokia original BL-5C battery (1070mAh) Nov 30 00:45:15 well, you can plug it into the neo, it will just take forever, right? Nov 30 00:45:28 not forever Nov 30 00:45:35 I did that a couple of times yet Nov 30 00:45:50 well, just way longer than you want to wait ;) Nov 30 00:45:51 it's better than buying new stuff;) Nov 30 00:46:12 yeah, but it's late, you should go to bed and wait till tomorrow ;) Nov 30 00:46:27 (ok, over here it's late, sorry, don't know where you at;)) Nov 30 00:46:40 hah.. I was gonna ask Nov 30 00:46:55 I've got a good 4-5 hours of hacking left Nov 30 00:47:02 hozer: The gta01 can't run without battery because there's something rather bad that happens in the PMU circuitry that will actually damage the device. The gta02 can run without battery -- it just cannot power the GSM without battery, as the GSM pulls far too much power (in short bursts) for the radio transmitter. Nov 30 00:47:06 then tommorow I probably have to do homework :) Nov 30 00:47:36 right, homework Nov 30 00:47:40 good u remind me Nov 30 00:47:40 ;) Nov 30 00:47:44 HAH Nov 30 00:48:00 * mwester uses a BL-6C battery and no-name (eBay) charger -- works great when I flatten the real batteries. Nov 30 00:48:17 ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent 699 MB Seeding 1,458.24% Nov 30 00:48:29 udev lookup_group specified group scanner unknown Nov 30 00:48:30 mwester: what happens if I replace the battery on a gta02 with big capacitor Nov 30 00:48:54 arc reactor? Nov 30 00:49:14 hah Nov 30 00:49:45 hozer: If it's big enough, and you don't blow up the PMU trying to charge it, then it might actually be able to power the GSM (if you have the wall charger; the power budget will be exceeded from the USB port if you have backlight on, bluetooth on, wifi on, and GSM on). Nov 30 00:50:14 kd8ikt: Yeah, sloppy udev packaging or sloppy udev coding, not sure which. harmless, AFAIK. Nov 30 00:50:44 I am thinking more foionr an embedded applicat Nov 30 00:50:48 arg.. Nov 30 00:50:54 more for an embedded application Nov 30 00:51:17 Keep the battery if you need the GSM running. Nov 30 00:51:45 but the battery will degrade eventually Nov 30 00:52:00 mwester: thasts from shr 11-28 Nov 30 00:52:08 I'd like to drop these things in a box with solar panels out in a field and have them report back stuff Nov 30 00:52:28 status report : stolen by kd8ikt Nov 30 00:52:44 There's just waaaay too much hardware and low-level coding to sort out down at the PMU level if you want to deviate from what Openmoko has found to work -- which is more "black art" than science, as far as I can tell. Nov 30 00:52:52 :D Nov 30 00:53:08 bah, open source the PMU code ;) Nov 30 00:53:13 kd8ikt: It's udev 24, and does it on a bunch of distros. The passwd file isnt' in sync with udev. Nov 30 00:53:23 hozer: It is open source. Nov 30 00:53:38 Nov 29 14:50:46 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1355]: WARNING: org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Satellite: GetSatellites: Nov 30 00:53:42 Nov 29 14:50:48 om-gta02 user.info fso-gpsd[1355]: WARNING: Timeout: device started but not connected Nov 30 00:53:57 * hozer will have to go dig around with the pmu code one of these days Nov 30 00:54:07 hozer: it's just that the interactions and the behavior is not documented clearly, or in some cases documented at all. Openmoko is solving some of the problems by means of scopes and instrumentation of the various power busses. Nov 30 00:54:28 yeah... is this bad chipset documentation? Nov 30 00:54:49 [feedback]: http://lwn.net/Articles/308912/ Nov 30 00:54:52 The issue is not the SoC itself, nor the PMU, rather it's the interaction of the SoC, the circuit board layout, the other chips on the power busses, the USB port, and all that stuff... Nov 30 00:55:26 - The Openmoko phone is 2G while the iPhone is 3G. Nov 30 00:55:26 - The iPhone has a camera. Nov 30 00:55:35 yeah, I expect that as there are more revs this stuff will all get sorted out Nov 30 00:55:54 hozer: basically at that level in the phone, you are dealign with analog electronics, and all the uncertainties of analog signals. :( Nov 30 00:56:11 that's my favorite thing :) Nov 30 00:56:47 Openmoko (and anyone else) have no choice but to offer the same or preferably better features, if they want to get very far. Nov 30 00:57:03 hrrm... at some point it would be nice to have an open source simulation model of the circuit board Nov 30 00:57:16 .. bbl Nov 30 00:57:51 I'll solve a sudoku and go to bed Nov 30 00:57:55 bye all ;) Nov 30 00:57:57 x Nov 30 01:03:05 and /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd ... even when executed to stop i still see an instance of it Nov 30 01:03:20 killall fsp-gpsd Nov 30 01:05:15 wouldnt happen to know what $log means? log=Nov 29 15:01:22 om-gta02 user.debug kernel: rxerr: port ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c Nov 30 01:07:55 looks gps related and maybe why i cant get a fix!argh Nov 30 01:10:31 rxerr is a diagnostic from the serial driver -- the rxs is the receive status bits, and I think that value indicates a framing error Nov 30 01:10:50 usually encountered when baud rate is wrong on the port. Nov 30 01:11:04 ah ha Nov 30 01:12:46 cant wait to see some fso auto gps/net ntp sync Nov 30 01:15:08 kd8ikt, I can't wait to see wifi working, or a dialer on Illume that works Nov 30 01:15:33 I'm waiting out for video output Nov 30 01:16:05 dont you have some scumsoft mobile? Nov 30 01:17:58 me? Nov 30 01:18:11 what do you mean by ?that Nov 30 01:18:33 coulda swore you said you had a windows mobile phone Nov 30 01:18:39 nope Nov 30 01:18:51 I was thinking of getting one Nov 30 01:19:06 bleh Nov 30 01:19:08 but I don't think I'd want to sponser closed-souce anymore Nov 30 01:19:16 I'm with you there Nov 30 01:19:38 I'm just getting ansy waiting for the gta 03 to come out Nov 30 01:19:50 i'd probably go iphone before it came to scumsoft Nov 30 01:20:02 makes more sense Nov 30 01:20:31 scumsoft? Nov 30 01:20:32 but it's all the same to me, wouldn't want to buy something closed-s Nov 30 01:21:09 http://spacequest.wikia.com/wiki/ScumSoft Nov 30 01:23:58 I was more the Leisure Suit Larry gamer Nov 30 01:24:40 yeah but unlike ll i can actually "get some" Nov 30 01:25:01 ll? Nov 30 01:25:15 and get some? Nov 30 01:25:19 not following you Nov 30 01:25:23 leisuresuit larry Nov 30 01:25:26 larry laugher Nov 30 01:25:27 right Nov 30 01:26:12 well, I wasn't very good at the game, so... Nov 30 01:29:45 =D Nov 30 01:29:49 what up? Nov 30 01:31:56 night Nov 30 01:58:47 http://deine-nackte-weihnachtsfrau.net/?id=2667561 Nov 30 02:42:28 shr sure looks very good Nov 30 02:53:15 slaxxin: Indeed :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 30 02:59:57 2008