**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 30 02:59:57 2008 Nov 30 03:36:59 this is just lovely Nov 30 03:37:24 so I can ping over bluetooth , but trying to actually SSH causes the connection to die Nov 30 03:37:35 I think I have hardware problems on my laptop Nov 30 05:06:39 shr went to sleep with wifi connected an when i woke it up midori hooked to google:) Nov 30 05:07:43 slaxxin: how is the current image working? I have one from 10/11 Nov 30 05:08:22 very well although i dont use the gsm at the moment Nov 30 05:08:37 Hm, there could be some programable buttons in some future revision of the device, they would be useful for the music player or games Nov 30 05:09:04 an the shutdown menu now works Nov 30 05:09:15 o nice! Nov 30 05:10:21 im thinking i might set the time on thin daily image Nov 30 05:11:08 vagaulme is sweet Nov 30 05:12:09 the wireless icon in the shelf gadgets is off by default? Nov 30 05:16:38 Oh, and there would be a version of openmoko for low entry phones? Nov 30 05:25:06 yay Nov 30 05:26:20 so ààà Nov 30 05:27:50 Dàà ü€ Nov 30 05:28:09 that dont look correct Nov 30 05:28:52 now to test my tom-tom car charger Nov 30 05:31:03 so the wifi should automaticly show a list of avaliable wireless networks listed by the most powerful one first an ask u if u wanna connect Nov 30 05:31:05 ? Nov 30 05:32:11 or maybe list the open ones first always on top Nov 30 05:47:11 wazssa Nov 30 05:48:10 mwester: you around? Nov 30 05:54:54 why is that settings button even there Nov 30 06:05:12 :p Nov 30 06:05:26 aaargh Nov 30 06:05:33 computer issues for the lose Nov 30 06:11:54 hrrm Nov 30 06:12:03 what's different between asu & shr? Nov 30 06:12:39 a lot? Nov 30 06:13:19 hrrm.. Nov 30 06:13:36 I'm hoping to find some docs on how to build shr with mokomakefile Nov 30 06:13:36 shr sweet Nov 30 06:14:42 I just need the damned ftdi_sio serial module Nov 30 06:16:54 duh, /me looks at shr.bearstech.com/Makefile Nov 30 06:20:18 opkg install kernel-module-ftdi-sio Nov 30 06:21:26 now.. what was the trick to build an x86 enviroment I could run in xnest? Nov 30 06:22:37 (basically, I just need to figure out how to write something in python that can make nice looking graphs) Nov 30 07:25:32 Nov 30 09:47:39 How many people are working on android for freerunner? Nov 30 09:49:17 spydon: the koolu team Nov 30 09:51:03 Still haven't seen the much wanted download option on the Koolu website though. Nov 30 09:53:04 But wasn't there some other guys too? Or was it the koolu team who released the last version? Nov 30 10:12:48 keep an eye on the wiki page Nov 30 10:15:50 wish QI would boot NAND Nov 30 10:15:53 jfs Nov 30 10:30:04 kd8ikt: it does... Nov 30 10:30:55 oh yea? Nov 30 10:31:04 i might have to try it out then Nov 30 10:31:30 i boasts speed improvements on booting but honestly i dont mind the min or so bootup Nov 30 10:32:05 it* Nov 30 10:37:23 mmp, how is our repo looking? Nov 30 10:37:49 tuxi: hello, I have not had time yet, working on my master thesis right now :) Nov 30 10:37:57 today I wanted to check out projects.openmoko.org Nov 30 10:38:08 ah.. okay, just keep me in focus Nov 30 10:38:35 tuxi: np, I'll try to put in some repo ASAP, but moreover, there was no internet connection at our dormitory this morining Nov 30 10:38:37 *morning Nov 30 10:39:58 students should be able to fix this ;-) Nov 30 10:41:06 thats when you fire up gprs Nov 30 10:41:32 and tether your lappy to it and lagh at your buddies crying that they cant check their myspace page ;) Nov 30 10:41:51 tuxi: :-)) Nov 30 10:42:21 If GPRS wasn't that much expensive :-/ Nov 30 10:42:42 yeah i should fork out the extra 20 or so $ a month for unlimited Nov 30 10:42:52 hmm, comming that to mind -- isn't there any equivalent of opera mini in opensource world? Nov 30 10:43:08 still thats is alot considering my dsl is like 30$ a month and way faster Nov 30 10:43:18 kd8ikt: still cheaper than here... (converted) $35 for 2GB prepaid, iirc Nov 30 10:44:20 (opera mini) it would be nice if midori/whatever could connect to any server via at least gzip compression :) Nov 30 10:45:17 yea midori is a bit resource intesnive Nov 30 10:46:27 wait whats exposure Nov 30 10:46:58 cause its eating 90% cpu Nov 30 10:48:05 cause midori isnt the resource hog its exposure Nov 30 10:49:30 :-) no idea what is exporuse... Nov 30 10:49:59 its some exore python script Nov 30 10:50:06 ecore Nov 30 10:50:29 i think its what ASU mostly uses for settings like sleep/backlight brightness Nov 30 10:50:51 killed it and sofar sogood Nov 30 10:51:07 kd8ikt: exposure is the settings app Nov 30 10:51:14 now midori uses less resources than htop Nov 30 10:51:23 It's taking 90% of the CPU for you? Nov 30 10:51:27 On SHR? Nov 30 10:51:30 Ainulindale: do i need it? Nov 30 10:51:35 it did when i fired up midori Nov 30 10:51:44 kd8ikt: Well, do you need it, it depends Nov 30 10:51:58 Depends on how much you need to be able to change settings Nov 30 10:52:04 (through an UI :-) ) Nov 30 10:52:12 never i make my settings in frameworkd.conf ;) Nov 30 10:52:23 kd8ikt: that's what does shr-settings Nov 30 10:52:30 Although through dbus calls Nov 30 10:52:33 oh well its dead now Nov 30 10:52:39 :D Nov 30 10:52:52 i'm sure it'll survive a reboot though Nov 30 10:53:41 i dont like the fact that a 15line python script can eat 100%cpu Nov 30 10:53:59 Heh Nov 30 10:54:00 like it was doing folding @home Nov 30 10:54:11 how can I call rasters keyboard automagically? Nov 30 10:54:34 (python) Nov 30 10:55:08 i might replace e/usr/bin/xposure.py with something that just echo's "dead" Nov 30 10:55:13 see what happens Nov 30 10:55:25 Well Nov 30 10:55:25 Nothing Nov 30 10:55:32 You could also opkg remove exposure Nov 30 10:56:21 chmod -x Nov 30 10:56:49 unless whatever calls it states 'python exposure.py' Nov 30 10:57:04 nope Nov 30 11:00:20 hey Ainulindale guess how i solved my gps problems Nov 30 11:00:43 You launched a GPS app? Nov 30 11:00:47 i went outside in the freezing cold for 30sec holding my phone in the air Nov 30 11:00:51 heh Nov 30 11:00:57 so you took my suggestion I see Nov 30 11:01:14 guess i havent left the house lately too Nov 30 11:01:28 Meh :-) Nov 30 11:02:33 wow exposure not running i can really tell a difference Nov 30 11:03:41 That's strange Nov 30 11:04:25 i think i'm on the 11-28 shr build Nov 30 11:04:40 its probably nothing or just me Nov 30 11:05:52 Yeah but nothing or just you comes up with a solution, I guess Nov 30 11:06:53 i told you my solution Nov 30 11:07:01 killall exposure.py :D Nov 30 11:19:29 any non-gui way to bring back the spanner in illume? Nov 30 11:21:03 spanner? Nov 30 11:21:06 restart x? Nov 30 11:22:13 hm playing around with dosbox + dukenukem1 Nov 30 11:23:27 any idea if the temperature sensor supports low temperatures Nov 30 11:26:55 lindi-: which tempsensor? Nov 30 11:28:00 kd8ikt: how that working out for ya? Nov 30 11:28:04 *how's Nov 30 11:30:05 not so well Nov 30 11:30:45 well depends on if the dos app uses graphics or not Nov 30 11:31:05 right now having framebuffer issues Nov 30 11:31:29 ie no video output Nov 30 11:32:45 yeah, i googled a bit and there's a video of some guy playing tomb raider on the sharp zaurus Nov 30 11:32:52 about 1 fps :) Nov 30 11:33:39 maybe if you ran it at qvga Nov 30 11:35:32 least i can play it on my laptop Nov 30 11:39:18 mmp, hoi! Nov 30 11:51:51 DocScrutinizer2: the one in the battery Nov 30 12:03:18 Fougner: hello :) Nov 30 12:03:53 It's a trap! Nov 30 12:04:24 Ainulindale: i rebooted and played around exposure.py seems is behaving now maybe it was some freak accident loop run amok Nov 30 12:04:50 GET TO THA CHOPPA! Nov 30 12:05:35 mmp, aah, long time no see =) Nov 30 12:05:39 Dave! Nov 30 12:05:54 hmm Nov 30 12:06:22 what code for filesystem should I choose in fdisk when formatting a SDHC ? Nov 30 12:06:47 that kinda depends Nov 30 12:07:03 What fs do you want? Nov 30 12:07:04 kd8ikt, depends on what? =) Nov 30 12:07:06 hehe Nov 30 12:07:09 well I don't know Nov 30 12:07:12 fat, ext2/3 ? Nov 30 12:07:22 why should I choose fat? ;) Nov 30 12:07:28 I'm running linux native on my laptop Nov 30 12:07:29 compatibility? Nov 30 12:07:44 then choose ext3 Nov 30 12:07:54 (83) Nov 30 12:07:55 and I don't let my mmcs play around with the other comuptahs! Nov 30 12:08:10 why ext3? :P Nov 30 12:08:12 just curious Nov 30 12:08:17 long story but NOR can boot from a kernel on vfat SDHC Nov 30 12:08:29 why does it really matter? it doesnt Nov 30 12:08:41 SO DO WHAT I SAY Nov 30 12:08:46 ^^ Nov 30 12:08:48 yeahyeah Nov 30 12:08:52 Case closed :p Nov 30 12:08:57 xD Nov 30 12:09:02 and now, mkfs.ext3 ? Nov 30 12:09:14 probably or use cfdisk Nov 30 12:09:17 or fdisk Nov 30 12:09:26 or mkfs, yes Nov 30 12:09:33 and if the card doesnt die like so many i've tried then you can always go back and re %#$% with it Nov 30 12:09:57 kd8ikt, what? Nov 30 12:10:09 i've gone through like 3 junk cards Nov 30 12:10:18 my moko didnt agree with them Nov 30 12:10:25 uhm Nov 30 12:10:28 sorry to hear Nov 30 12:10:34 I'm running Sandisk 8GB SDHC Nov 30 12:10:37 the only choice :P Nov 30 12:10:39 dnno why the fuss it likes sandisk Nov 30 12:10:54 sandisk is gooood Nov 30 12:10:56 quality ;) Nov 30 12:10:57 but anything else (shitbrands) failed for me Nov 30 12:11:07 ofc, transcend is good too Nov 30 12:11:14 but sandisk is the real deal :D Nov 30 12:11:15 hehe Nov 30 12:11:16 kingston Nov 30 12:11:17 shitbrands Nov 30 12:11:19 yeah Nov 30 12:11:21 exactley Nov 30 12:11:31 but what about "shitbrands" ? Nov 30 12:11:39 i though sandisk was like a fake scandisk brand Nov 30 12:11:43 I think I'll create a label callad "shitbrands" Nov 30 12:11:51 XDDDDDDDD Nov 30 12:11:54 hahah Nov 30 12:12:00 I'm sure you'll get a lot of business that way. Nov 30 12:12:00 scandisk, I remember that one Nov 30 12:12:07 ¬_¬ Nov 30 12:12:09 WIndows huh? Nov 30 12:12:20 that one checking the filesystem ^^ Nov 30 12:12:33 http://www.sandisk.com/ <-- Nov 30 12:12:51 but will mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 do? Nov 30 12:13:03 I meant scandisk :D Nov 30 12:13:08 i must be dislexic cause i see sandisk but i really see scandisk Nov 30 12:13:25 o_O Nov 30 12:13:34 maybe you should go back to bed then :p Nov 30 12:13:45 kd8ikt, 16GB SDHC coming up ;D Nov 30 12:13:58 but the FR supports up to 8 max eh? Nov 30 12:14:07 ARRGGGH Nov 30 12:14:41 umm, I mean, "no" *sigh* Nov 30 12:15:04 anyhow, they're world leader in flash memory cards =) Nov 30 12:15:15 mjr, what? =) Nov 30 12:15:31 sofar i'm good with 2GB uSD + 256MB flash NAND Nov 30 12:15:39 hheeh Nov 30 12:15:42 not like i'm torrenting with my phone Nov 30 12:15:49 I will Nov 30 12:16:03 LAMPP + torrentflux, or rtorrent Nov 30 12:16:07 or need to carry around AC/DC's discography Nov 30 12:16:10 dunno yet, which one to choose.. Nov 30 12:16:18 rtorrent Nov 30 12:16:19 hehehe Nov 30 12:16:32 kd8ikt, hard to navigate =) Nov 30 12:16:34 hehe Nov 30 12:16:37 can run like a deamon almost Nov 30 12:16:44 daemon? :D Nov 30 12:16:46 arrow keys are hard? Nov 30 12:17:07 oh, hah, the virtualkeyboard Nov 30 12:17:10 screen + rtorrent + forget about it Nov 30 12:17:30 kd8ikt, yeah Nov 30 12:17:35 also you can make a directory that it watches for new torrents and auto starts em Nov 30 12:17:51 so... less work in the longrun if oyu ask me Nov 30 12:17:53 oh, how to? Nov 30 12:18:16 yeah I know rtorrent has the extension to do most things automatically, but how? Nov 30 12:18:19 http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/browser/trunk/rtorrent/doc/rtorrent.rc?rev=latest Nov 30 12:18:28 I really would like to get the RSS-extension working Nov 30 12:18:31 ~/.rtorrentrc Nov 30 12:18:52 kd8ikt, yeah? Nov 30 12:19:11 I've got the rtorrentrc file already Nov 30 12:19:15 but what do to? =P Nov 30 12:19:22 to get the autochecking to work? =) Nov 30 12:19:47 found it Nov 30 12:19:49 pretend you're william shatner and go explore Nov 30 12:19:55 hahaa Nov 30 12:20:00 kd8ikt, funny guy ;) Nov 30 12:20:08 apt shoot kd8ikt Nov 30 12:20:09 * apt shoots kd8ikt in the ear with a glue gun! Nov 30 12:20:17 YEAH! Taste the one! Nov 30 12:20:21 and if you see an orion slave girl send her my way Nov 30 12:20:31 hmm Nov 30 12:20:38 * Fougner googles up "orion slave girl" Nov 30 12:21:12 oh, star trek Nov 30 12:21:32 hahaha fucking kd8 Nov 30 12:21:36 startrek alien/stripper/bellydancers Nov 30 12:21:44 hawt Nov 30 12:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9e3fd27960b1 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (device.py modems/__init__.py): ogsmd: refactor modem creation logic into modem factory method Nov 30 12:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r915393853264 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: timeouts are now per-modem Nov 30 12:22:25 finding an ugly chick in startrek is like searching for waldo Nov 30 12:24:38 nice theres even a wiki entry for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(Star_Trek) Nov 30 12:26:16 somebody said bellydancers? Nov 30 12:27:05 kd8ikt, you're sick =P Nov 30 12:27:08 inhuman xD Nov 30 12:27:19 Zorkman, no, he didn't run away to your spaceship again Nov 30 12:27:44 damn :) Nov 30 12:27:57 punctuation missed after "he didn't" Nov 30 12:28:06 hehe Nov 30 12:29:20 do I need to reserve memory on the card, like -m 1 or something? Nov 30 12:30:03 kd8ikt, is there a way to fetch the torrent-files to the dir by an extension.. simple that is.. Nov 30 12:30:25 ext3 works on the memorycard? :P Nov 30 12:33:28 mmp, worked on pymuse something more? Nov 30 12:33:52 Fougner: not yet, I have to do some school things right now :) Nov 30 12:34:00 oh, you're in school :P Nov 30 12:34:18 you finish today? Nov 30 12:34:21 well, yes, preparing my master's thesis ;) Nov 30 12:34:31 oh right. Nov 30 12:34:33 I'm not sure :) Nov 30 12:34:44 but pyMuse is more important, isn't it? Nov 30 12:34:50 ahh, no, I'm at dorm, just preparing things for tomorrow Nov 30 12:35:11 nothing's more important than satisfied thesis advisor ;) Nov 30 12:36:07 hehe, Nov 30 12:36:38 have you created a project for it on, let's say, SF yet? Nov 30 12:39:54 mmp, ? Nov 30 12:40:40 Fougner: not yet, been busy with work and school last days ;) Nov 30 12:41:10 I'd guess.. Nov 30 12:49:44 hi all Nov 30 12:49:59 hi Nov 30 12:53:39 I've installed task-openmoko-games Nov 30 12:53:58 but now I can't remove it :P Nov 30 12:54:20 and I've the screen bloated with game icons Nov 30 12:54:48 opkg Nov 30 12:54:58 Mornin' everybody Nov 30 12:55:21 morning Nov 30 12:56:15 ljp around? Nov 30 12:57:45 Don't C rasterman Nov 30 12:58:22 I've been playin' with qt-4.4.2 and Illume. Nov 30 13:11:39 Guess there's no one around. Nov 30 13:14:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7d51f0a1ef00 10/fsod/src/main.vala: Remove some redundant lines of code Nov 30 13:14:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rec99cb926f08 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: Exposing DBus objects written in python works now. Thanks Ainulindale Nov 30 13:31:56 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r840cba2a67b6 10/fsod/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Cleanup. We don't need the bindings to fsod now Nov 30 13:46:17 doesn't anyone get up early on Sunday any more? Nov 30 13:50:22 :P Nov 30 13:50:36 Mornin' Dave. Nov 30 13:51:03 Heh Nov 30 13:52:35 Finally found a rootfs tarball for qt-4.2.2 Nov 30 14:04:15 morning :) Nov 30 14:11:23 »ogpsd DEBUG Discarded data not UBX '\xb5\x00b\x01\x02«... Nov 30 14:11:25 aieee. Nov 30 14:11:34 where did that 00 come from? Nov 30 14:15:31 The null bucket? Nov 30 14:15:41 /dev/zero Nov 30 14:19:52 SpeedEvil: nope, was read from /dev/ttySAC1. Nov 30 14:59:57 Hi, can anyone explain why the Illume scrolling is so much smoother in the SHR image? Nov 30 15:00:41 peppertarts: because shr rocks Nov 30 15:01:26 peppertarts: are you using the same kernel in both cases? Nov 30 15:05:27 lindi: The kernel I had been using with an FSO image was around a week older. I'll give FSO another try with a recent kernel. I can't say I've spotted any kernel changes that would affect this though. Nov 30 15:16:27 I've been playin' with qtExt-4.2.2 Its qute but I can't get BT or WiFi workin )-: Nov 30 15:18:06 And the lack of ringtones is a bit annoying. Nov 30 15:21:49 But I do like the ballance info. Nov 30 15:48:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rab4a24f46524 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): ogsmd: start with support for the CINTERION MC75(i) Nov 30 15:49:23 yay Nov 30 15:57:28 hi all Nov 30 15:59:26 I am looking for some help with SHR... Nov 30 16:00:03 how to lock the screen on my freerunner? Nov 30 16:00:38 and I cant add any contacts Nov 30 16:00:44 thats all:) Nov 30 16:02:10 ClausReheis: SHR is still in early development and has not been officially realeased yet Nov 30 16:02:28 ClausReheis: as of now there is no screen-lock Nov 30 16:03:25 ClausReheis: and PIM has not been integrated yet, so there will be things lacking as far as contacts, messages, calendar etc Nov 30 16:04:18 sicu: thx! I buyed the freerunner in 09/08 and the shr is the best expirience since then anyway Nov 30 16:04:38 so I will wait Nov 30 16:04:42 whatever's already there (which is a lot compared to what was available only a few weeks ago) will improve greatly as soon as PIM is finished and integrated Nov 30 16:05:04 ClausReheis: good good =] Nov 30 16:05:26 opimd Nov 30 16:05:28 opimd Nov 30 16:05:30 opimd Nov 30 16:05:31 :p Nov 30 16:05:34 haha ;p Nov 30 16:06:07 ClausReheis: for locking the screen i normally just press powerbutton to suspend, this saves battery as well Nov 30 16:06:16 opiumd )))) Nov 30 16:06:23 sicu, ok! Nov 30 16:07:07 is it possible that shr has more advanced powermanagment then the om2008.9? Nov 30 16:08:28 no idea ... i don't use 2008.9 Nov 30 16:09:03 but if you press on the X button (in illume shelf) whilst on the home screen, you get a power menu Nov 30 16:09:28 So. Which image untill today best of the best ? Nov 30 16:09:33 so far i think suspend and shutdown works .... more will come Nov 30 16:10:10 the SHR devs are doing a great job =] Nov 30 16:10:40 sicu: Just tought that I had much more lifetime of the battery when using shr Nov 30 16:11:03 ClausReheis: but if you need it unsuspended but "locked" whilst doing for instance GPS testing, I normally just open the terminal and keep that window in focus whilst tangoGPS is running in the background Nov 30 16:11:47 it's not a lock ... but it keeps it somewhat out of mischief Nov 30 16:11:49 ;p Nov 30 16:13:10 Just hope you don't come back to a screen saying 'Play global thermonuclear war (y/n)' y Nov 30 16:13:44 fine Nov 30 16:14:23 SpeedEvil: haha =] Nov 30 16:27:48 but if you press on the X button (in illume shelf) whilst on the home screen, you get a power menu Nov 30 16:27:56 wow, that's one useful tip! ;] Nov 30 16:27:59 thanks. Nov 30 16:34:52 sicu: I get this one but I can only choose lock Nov 30 16:34:55 which does nothing Nov 30 16:35:12 except giving an error (missing pam support) Nov 30 16:41:17 bumbl: using latest ? Nov 30 16:42:28 opkg update ; opkg upgrade ; rm -rf ~/.e ; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Nov 30 16:44:14 TAsn: yeh, it's not very obvious unless you know about it ... but it will get mapped to the hw keys (pwrbtn) soon enough Nov 30 16:44:55 cool ;] Nov 30 16:45:03 is it an app? Nov 30 16:45:09 sicu! Nov 30 16:45:16 or just something in illume? Nov 30 17:27:46 Hey... I want to be able to tether my openmoko to use SSH with my laptop to my development system while I work Nov 30 17:28:00 anyone successful in using GPRS for tethering? What distro? Nov 30 17:42:38 Hydrant, would you please explain "tether" ? Nov 30 17:43:06 use the data connection from the cell phone from my laptop Nov 30 17:43:15 so let my laptop use the openmoko as a gateway to the internet Nov 30 17:43:22 ah Nov 30 17:43:37 haven't tried, actually Nov 30 17:43:47 I would imagine there is a way to do it with the freerunner Nov 30 17:44:13 yah, i have an iphone but Apple won't let me use the data connection, I might see something that says their not a good company Nov 30 17:44:22 I also have a freerunner for development work Nov 30 17:44:28 so GPRS is fast enough Nov 30 17:44:47 I don't want to have to buy another GSM phone just because I want to use my data plan :-( Nov 30 17:46:16 I see Nov 30 17:47:16 actually I don't know where to start looking. The Freerunner is under heavy development and I can't tell if the GPRS is working Nov 30 17:47:23 searched the wiki? Nov 30 17:47:24 I haven't actually been successful in using the data plan with the freerunner Nov 30 17:47:40 I've googled around a bit, but might not be using the right keywords Nov 30 17:49:16 Hydrant: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Tethering Nov 30 17:49:24 I've had it working with the neo1973 Nov 30 17:49:30 but I lost my scripts Nov 30 17:49:48 Obsession: http://community.livejournal.com/pkmncollectors/1296167.html (off-topic) Nov 30 17:51:28 does anyone use qi? Nov 30 17:51:52 Andy Nov 30 17:52:09 hehe, someone else? Nov 30 17:52:33 Yep. Nov 30 17:52:42 mwester: hey! Nov 30 17:52:55 SpeedEvil: it that you? your obsession? ;p Nov 30 17:53:01 No :) Nov 30 17:53:07 * SpeedEvil is not of that gender. Nov 30 17:53:12 hehe Nov 30 17:53:29 mwester: some simple questions, can i flash uboot back if i do not like qi? Nov 30 17:53:32 Or any more than vaguely knowledgable about it. Nov 30 17:53:44 BluesLee: you can alwysa flash beck Nov 30 17:53:53 BluesLee: u-boot in NOR in emergencies Nov 30 17:54:08 BluesLee: On the gta02, yes (although you may have to remove the SIM card for some unknown and extremely curious reason). Nov 30 17:54:43 mwester: why it looks first for a kernel on the sd and not in the rootfs of the nand? Nov 30 17:55:35 sicu: any idea what distro that is for? Nov 30 17:55:51 mwester: in the end i want to boot something from the nand and there should be a kernel somewhere ... i guess i will try it Nov 30 17:56:16 I rather suspect it is because a) nobody wants to port a jffs2 driver into Qi. But the real reason is b) the concept of using NAND as a rootfs for devices like the FR is being obsoleted by SD cards. Nov 30 17:56:35 BluesLee: What do you hope to gain from Qi? Nov 30 17:57:21 mwester: speed?! there are some guys who say that the overall speed also within the distributions is better though i do not understand it Nov 30 17:57:38 mwester: for instance with suspend/resume Nov 30 17:57:48 Hydrant: sorry, no idea Nov 30 17:58:02 Hydrant: and havn't tried it myself either Nov 30 17:58:10 mwester: why you use it? Nov 30 17:59:07 mwester: do you think its pretty instable? Nov 30 17:59:51 BluesLee: I don't use it. No benefit, only problems at this time. You asked if people were using Qi, and I said "yes" -- there are users of Qi. Nov 30 18:00:19 Someone will have to prove, by benchmark figures, that a bootloader can make a distro run better once booted. I don't beleive that. Nov 30 18:00:56 It does boot faster, though, and some claim it suspends/resumes faster. That's good, but not important to me. I'm trying to make it so that the phone doesn't have to be rebooted so often instead! ;) Nov 30 18:01:24 mwester: which kind of problems? Nov 30 18:02:00 But for those who use Qi, I think they will need kexec to make it useful (to replace the fundamentally broken command line handling, and fundamentally broken kernel search algorithm). So I'm working on kexec right now. Nov 30 18:02:54 kexec was a good think afair, starting a different kernel ... Nov 30 18:02:58 BluesLee: the problems are usability ones -- things like chanigng the default commadn line, things like selecting which kerenl to boot from, all the things that you usually do with env vars in uboot. They don't work well at this point (need tuning), and are (by design) nowhere close to as flexible. Nov 30 18:03:42 BluesLee: not to mention that I remain worried that you cannot even boot into NOR unless the SIM card is removed -- that seems to be very strange, and hints to me of something not yet understood. Nov 30 18:04:20 the latter is serious ...what do you mean with command line handling? Nov 30 18:04:56 if i forget about the distro, only kernel? Nov 30 18:06:34 if i put the correct kernel on the first ext partition i have everything should be fine Nov 30 18:06:51 have to read more about qi before trying Nov 30 18:07:42 yep - do read. And make sure you provide feedback to the devs on what sensible defaults should be. Nov 30 18:07:46 bbiab Nov 30 18:09:07 hi Nov 30 18:09:45 can I flash the freerunner to the lastest software using MokoMakeFile? Nov 30 18:10:30 I received the phone a couple of days ago and I'm still getting used to the environment :P Nov 30 18:15:47 i am a little bit irritated ... if i cannot use dfu-util in the nand after installing qi, how can i reflash uboot afterwards in nand? Nov 30 18:16:10 NOR flash Nov 30 18:16:14 is one option. Nov 30 18:16:18 Though there may be others. Nov 30 18:16:18 but Nov 30 18:16:33 IU've never used qu Nov 30 18:16:49 o_O Nov 30 18:17:15 Speedevil, are your fingers like two centimeters in diameter? Nov 30 18:17:33 Dave: no, but I'm holding a bowl of rice. Nov 30 18:17:37 :D Nov 30 18:17:51 SpeedEvil: but if i do a normal dfu-util -a u-boot in nor it will flash uboot in nor or not? Nov 30 18:18:06 I've heard conflicting success stories so far Nov 30 18:18:07 np: MC hammer - you can't touch NOR. Nov 30 18:18:17 (without a debug board) Nov 30 18:18:18 I think bumble flashed it with SIM in and was unable to reflash? Nov 30 18:18:58 SpeedEvil: if i flash u-boot from nor it flashes the guy to the nand? Nov 30 18:19:08 okay Nov 30 18:19:14 should, anyway Nov 30 18:19:33 you can't write NOR without a debug board Nov 30 18:19:51 no, but NOR can write to NAND Nov 30 18:20:02 Correct? Nov 30 18:20:03 SpeedEvil: okay ... everything i do in nor without a db will have an effect to nand Nov 30 18:26:02 NAND can write to NAND (u-boot is copied to RAM so you can dfu-util a new u-boot in place without booting from NOR). You cannot overwrite NOR with dfu-util at all, in any way, ever. :) Nov 30 18:26:37 So boot to NAND -- always to NAND -- unless something has Gone Very Wrong. Then, and only then, boot to NOR. Nov 30 18:27:11 * sicu slaps NOR with a wet and soggy debug board Nov 30 18:29:07 Hi @all, I'm trying to install debian to my moko. I first tried to use a vfat partition. But that failed and now I try to install with ext2. The debian howto say that I have to install fso-utils on my desktop to change the uBoot. I'm running a RPM-based system and I can't find any source-packages for fso-utils or something else. Does anyone know how to setup this stuff from source or where I can get these packages? Nov 30 18:29:53 Mwester, like when I corrupted my nand blocks, and it wouldn't boot? :D Nov 30 18:30:04 thank goodness for NOR :P Nov 30 18:30:21 do you still need the SD card to boot android? Nov 30 18:30:43 mwester: does power+aux has any effects when installed qi? Nov 30 18:31:33 balrog-kun: it was that way the last time i tried android, 2 weeks ago Nov 30 18:31:50 balrogkun! Nov 30 18:33:03 BluesLee: ah ok Nov 30 18:33:08 i'll try it another time :p Nov 30 18:33:33 what's the default usb0 ip in latest FSO builds? Nov 30 18:33:45 it doesn't seem to repond at 192.168.0.202 Nov 30 18:34:14 the wiki says i should rename the kernel to uImage-GTA0[123...].bin Nov 30 18:34:41 Has anyone setup debian for the moko here? Nov 30 18:36:54 sutixx : yes ? Nov 30 18:37:15 christophe: Have you used a deb based system for setup? Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb558a7245ad8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/test.py: Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add TODO Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add onetworkd and renamed test.py to otimed. Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 3.) Don't load .pyc files Nov 30 18:38:44 freesmartphone.org: 4.) Connection Propery no longer visible on DBus Nov 30 18:38:46 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc0ca5d5482cb 10/fsod/ (12 files in 6 dirs): Nov 30 18:38:51 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add TODO Nov 30 18:38:53 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add onetworkd python subsystem and move to otimed/ Nov 30 18:38:55 freesmartphone.org: 3.) Don't load .pyc files. PythonManager can import modules in directory (pretty redundant as of now) Nov 30 18:38:58 freesmartphone.org: 4.) Connection property no longer visible on DBus Nov 30 18:39:27 sutixx : ? Sorry, i 'm not sure i understand your question, i've installed debian from my ubuntu box folowing wiki's instruction Nov 30 18:39:57 hmm seems that fso testing and unstable autobuilds are older than milestone images :/ Nov 30 18:40:44 christophe: I ask, because the wiki says: "The default filesystem created by install.sh for the boot partition is ext2, but U-Boot needs the boot partition to be fat." And to change this I need a tool named "fso-utils" but I don't use a debian-based linx(rpm) and can't find any downloadable packages nor sourcecode to install this utils ;) Nov 30 18:41:57 And so I have to know if I have to install ubuntu/debian just for this task =P Nov 30 18:43:13 ok ;) i don't remember how i have done it Nov 30 18:43:25 sorry Nov 30 18:43:29 Damned =D Nov 30 18:50:04 Is there a subversion package for arm4? Nov 30 18:55:06 can someone help qith qi?;-) Nov 30 18:55:08 Qi will boot from any kernel named uImage-GTA0[123...].bin in the /boot folder in the root of an ext2 or ext3 partition on the uSD card. (Note: Qi expects the / (root) filesystem to be on the same partition as /boot!) Nov 30 18:55:23 Dave: Yes, but you may have to get it from the angstrom feeds. Nov 30 18:56:43 mwester: 1st part vfat 2nd ext3 with one folder /boot and the kernel uImage-GTA02.bin and the same uImage-gta02.bin Nov 30 18:57:24 Yes? Nov 30 18:57:39 mwester: i get a kernel panic... does qi expect a comple rootfs? Nov 30 18:57:45 ^complete Nov 30 18:57:52 Yes Nov 30 18:58:10 Who, what? Nov 30 18:58:10 Welcome to the assumptions built into Qi Nov 30 18:58:18 Mwester, aw crap, okay. Nov 30 18:58:25 Mwester, direct my wrath? Nov 30 18:58:55 at yourself? For not kindly requesting that subversion be added to the distro package feeds for your preferred distro? Nov 30 18:59:11 (to the distro maintainer, of course) Nov 30 18:59:17 Does anyone know why auto-suspend doesn't seem to work in FSOm4? It never suspends automatically even though the illume options say it should. Nov 30 18:59:27 mwester: what assumptions? Nov 30 18:59:55 Exactly what you are reading -- things like the kernel naming, that the kernel must be on the rootfs, etc. Nov 30 19:00:13 mwester: i should tar a complete rootfs on that partition? Nov 30 19:00:30 These are things that you can control in uboot, but since Qi has no environment variables, you must do it the way Qi wants it done, which is different than the way u-boot defaults were set. Nov 30 19:01:01 mwester: ahh okay, it doesnt use the nand rootfs?! Nov 30 19:01:16 * Dave polls the Wiki for Qi Nov 30 19:01:49 BluesLee: it can, I think -- but it cannot read the kernel from jffs2 partitions. the details I am not familiar with. (As I mentioned, the gain is not worth the pain to me) Nov 30 19:05:04 mwester: back to uboot again:-) Nov 30 19:05:56 whee Nov 30 19:06:25 i will do a rootfs backup first Nov 30 19:06:35 and extract it to the sd Nov 30 19:17:17 YES Nov 30 19:18:00 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/subversion_1.4.0-r1_armv4t.ipk ! Nov 30 19:21:12 MWester, any idea if those "unstable" angstrom built packages would be compatible (or more accurately, cause any major incompatabilities) with 2007? Nov 30 19:21:23 Other than say, with glibc :P Nov 30 19:22:20 (they didn't have it in their latest built 2007 pkg repo) Nov 30 19:28:03 mwester: feedback for qi? Nov 30 19:30:05 :D Nov 30 19:30:33 BluesLee: yes - send it to the kernel mailing list. They would appreciate any success stories, and I also think that if Qi needs different defaults, they need to hear that from users (developers just argue with each other). Nov 30 19:30:59 Shhhh! Doc is here. Nov 30 19:31:14 craps Nov 30 19:31:15 mwester-laptop: it makes the system faster Nov 30 19:31:43 mwester-laptop: booting procss, suspend/resume and scrolling is faster Nov 30 19:31:50 Lies! Nov 30 19:32:25 Dave: no! Nov 30 19:32:51 Dave: dont ask me why, try it yourself Nov 30 19:34:01 Dave: i removed all ext filesystems off the sd card (mkfs.ext3), then qi bootet from the nand one Nov 30 19:34:16 :o Nov 30 19:34:27 Dave! Nov 30 19:34:30 gremlins! Nov 30 19:34:30 i can live with that guy Nov 30 19:34:43 Dave! =D Nov 30 19:39:19 mwester-laptop: my first impression: amazing ... why the hell scrolling in the adressbook is faster with a changed bootloader? Nov 30 19:40:53 mwester-laptop: even rotation via xrandr -o is faster Nov 30 19:41:43 BluesLee: No disrespect, but I need someone to benchmark that for me. Prove it with measurable, repeatable figures. Otherwise it's just a perception (which is important, too, but different). Nov 30 19:42:21 mwester-laptop, how to do that? Nov 30 19:43:05 i am fine with qi as long at it works well and makes no problems Nov 30 19:43:18 Fougner: don't know - that's the challenge for anyone who has a perception that something is better/faster/greener/etc... Nov 30 19:43:37 BluesLee, what are you up to? =) Nov 30 19:43:46 oh Nov 30 19:44:10 so, mwester has it been shown that once converted to Qi, one can flash back uBoot. Nov 30 19:44:23 Fougner: the bootloader as a performance stopper?! Nov 30 19:44:32 Dave: i did it 30 minutes ago Nov 30 19:44:35 Dave: ;) no, that's just a perception. Nov 30 19:44:41 hah Nov 30 19:44:42 hehe Nov 30 19:44:50 shr stayed hooked to wifi all night an day an rehooked right up:) Nov 30 19:44:54 Blueslee, so you tried out qi, then went back to uboot? Nov 30 19:44:56 (NAND) Nov 30 19:45:08 BluesLee, don't want to be negative, but I think that sounds very weird Nov 30 19:45:19 i tried qi, kernel panic (i know why) and then back to qi again Nov 30 19:45:24 probably we're all in shock Nov 30 19:45:26 o_O Nov 30 19:46:04 slaxxin, connection encrypten, not encrypted? Nov 30 19:46:09 Dave =D Nov 30 19:46:44 tjyzz ma! Nov 30 19:47:08 root@om-gta02:~/qemu# opkg install gdb Nov 30 19:47:08 An error ocurred, return value: -49900. Nov 30 19:47:16 yay for descriptiveness Nov 30 19:47:17 wow Nov 30 19:47:31 Fougner: shr is more responsive than before Nov 30 19:48:06 i should advertise something i dont know Nov 30 19:48:07 as I said, sounds weird, but the future will tell us what's real :) Nov 30 19:48:19 ^shouldnt Nov 30 19:48:31 yeah Nov 30 19:48:33 it works for me;-) Nov 30 19:48:40 balrogkun: A.K.A. Package not found Nov 30 19:48:41 and just for me, hehe Nov 30 19:48:48 I like how -2 became -49900 Nov 30 19:48:58 and neither were descriptive OR helpful (what crap) :D Nov 30 19:49:41 oh.. Nov 30 19:49:43 DAAAAAAAVE =D Nov 30 19:49:48 apt shoot Dave Nov 30 19:49:49 * apt shoots Dave in the foot with a glue gun! Nov 30 19:49:55 o_O Nov 30 19:49:59 no injuries Nov 30 19:50:05 apt shoot Dave again Nov 30 19:50:05 * apt shoots Dave again in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! Nov 30 19:50:18 YAAAAAH Nov 30 19:50:30 apt shoot Dave multiple times Nov 30 19:50:31 * apt shoots Dave multiple times in the foot with a spitwad! Nov 30 19:50:42 spitwad? Nov 30 19:50:45 Dave: yea i figured :( Nov 30 19:50:51 first time i'm using opkg Nov 30 19:51:13 normally i'd just download the package, and unpack it Nov 30 19:53:06 oh, heh Nov 30 19:53:10 Get over it, man :) Nov 30 19:53:59 * balrog-kun enters the unhappy with all openmoko software state Nov 30 19:54:29 haha a new OSS Nov 30 19:54:57 Now I can finally release an imflamitory articles about OSS ;) Nov 30 19:56:02 I have a partially implemented phone software stack based on JIT whitespace compilation. Nov 30 19:56:13 balrog-kun: if you think opkg's user feedback is bad, you should see the source code. It looks like a homework assignment for a student in Comp Sci 101. Nov 30 19:56:34 mwester, lol. ;] Nov 30 19:57:20 I have! Nov 30 19:57:26 * Dave shudders Nov 30 20:01:15 mwester-laptop, haha, and the homework assignment is mine =D Nov 30 20:04:35 arse Nov 30 20:04:48 had to put sim in the old phone Nov 30 20:05:36 Tig|, don't swear :D Nov 30 20:05:51 will punt in bug reports when I can work out proper reproductions Nov 30 20:06:02 Apologies Fougner Nov 30 20:06:46 Hei Tig :] Nov 30 20:06:52 Yo Dave! Nov 30 20:07:05 s'kjera? Nov 30 20:07:15 qwertipu Nov 30 20:07:37 o.O Nov 30 20:07:48 oh, do you have one of those new-fangled fucked up german keyboards too? Nov 30 20:07:49 :p Nov 30 20:07:54 or is one going to converse in an understandable language :) Nov 30 20:08:54 ooo we could switch to DE layout and converse in the worlds worst cipher since secretaries discovered wingdings :) Nov 30 20:09:58 anyway Nov 30 20:10:18 Dave: anyjoy in the world of making calls? Nov 30 20:13:05 <{E|fo}> I'm unable to find any xorg.conf in FSO4 so I can attach a BT keyboard. Does it make any sense? any package that delivers that file? thanks Nov 30 20:13:27 well yes Nov 30 20:13:40 I had the same problem Nov 30 20:14:09 how can i didsbale suspend from the cammand line? Nov 30 20:14:14 if you take the brace off the beginning of your nick then it makes it easier for me to reply Nov 30 20:14:15 disable* Nov 30 20:15:03 well the command line usually in OM is root so erm not easily, you could rename the binary but what are you trying to do? Nov 30 20:15:26 Tig, who makes calls on a freerunner? Nov 30 20:15:30 That's just ASKING for trouble :P Nov 30 20:15:47 Well I did and now I have to take her out to dinner somewhere nice Nov 30 20:16:38 those update instructions to testing didnt work for me. Nov 30 20:17:03 Tig|: I'm unable to find any xorg.conf in FSO4 so I can attach a BT keyboard. Does it make any sense? any package that delivers that file? thanks Nov 30 20:17:35 yeah had the same problem here, suspect the x-glamo interface somewhere Nov 30 20:17:45 could connect the keyboard Nov 30 20:17:56 could generate events in /dev Nov 30 20:18:21 logread messages looks fine but looks like an x thing Nov 30 20:18:29 Tig|: i installed the xglamo server but no xorg.conf appears, so you mean working at a lower level Nov 30 20:18:48 at a console level apparently it works Nov 30 20:19:04 but somewhere in the stack it does not get through at the moment Nov 30 20:19:29 nver found an xorg.conf here either Nov 30 20:20:06 Tig|: OK, thanks. I'll keep trying Nov 30 20:20:53 I think it is something to do with the keyboard control not adding the hci stuff Nov 30 20:21:12 but I am interested and playing with the exact same thing :) Nov 30 20:28:34 how the hell are you susposed to update to testing? that doesnt work!!!!Q Nov 30 20:29:24 how do i cancel suspend from the command line? Nov 30 20:29:36 There is no command line when it's suspended Nov 30 20:29:51 cancel suspend from happening! Nov 30 20:30:02 not wake up from suspend! Nov 30 20:30:08 Ah Nov 30 20:59:36 anyone else had problems with the update to testing instructions in the lastest weekly update? Nov 30 21:31:31 apparently i was confused about there going to be a 2008.11 om release Nov 30 21:31:43 :) Nov 30 22:15:06 ping leachim_dot_eu can I just ask are you the same leachim from hermitscave ? (long shot) Nov 30 22:16:25 o_O Nov 30 22:30:44 time for bed :( Nov 30 22:30:51 nn all Nov 30 22:37:28 COMPLY Nov 30 22:42:28 tuxi_: hello, looks like projects.openmoko.org is the most simple and straightforward candidate... Nov 30 22:43:44 mmp! =D Nov 30 22:43:49 Fougner: :) Nov 30 22:44:22 okay, so create the repo their Nov 30 22:44:54 tuxi_: ok; just in case you had something better :) this is standard gforge+svn setup :) Nov 30 22:45:48 no svn and gforge should be great i think Nov 30 22:47:11 I have never used gforge, though... (nor trac, but I at least have rough idea there:) Nov 30 22:47:38 me neither... just svn for personal backup and version control Nov 30 22:49:13 same here:) Nov 30 23:03:45 so i'm going to sleep gn8 Nov 30 23:03:59 does anyone know how to compile a working SHR image? Nov 30 23:09:17 spanska: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki should at least point you in the right direction Nov 30 23:10:25 this doesn't work Nov 30 23:10:34 I tried it all and it's a no go Nov 30 23:16:51 mmp, heey Nov 30 23:17:02 Fougner: yes? :) Nov 30 23:17:03 mmp, is it done yet? =) Gforge ? Nov 30 23:17:31 application for new project is submitted, now it's on openmoko people to either reject or accept it Nov 30 23:24:44 oh well, making qemu doesn't work either.. great Nov 30 23:26:44 Fougner: good night :) Nov 30 23:44:49 I'm so good at breaking things! Nov 30 23:44:51 :x Nov 30 23:48:22 heh Dec 01 00:16:20 Ken! Dec 01 00:24:39 Hi Dave. Dec 01 00:26:36 Does anyone have a 'gecho' binary in it's path? Dec 01 00:28:55 :) Dec 01 00:45:13 hey Dec 01 00:46:22 anyone interested in making a y cable, can find my little howto at http://om.quatrox.org/om/ Dec 01 00:46:22 it has pictures and part numbers Dec 01 00:48:49 quatrox, That looks handy. Have you linked an appropiate wiki page to it? Dec 01 00:48:52 nice Dec 01 00:49:37 KenYoung: not yet - I will fix improve the schematics first Dec 01 00:50:09 quatrox, The perfect is the enemy of the good. Dec 01 00:50:28 haha Dec 01 00:50:31 true, true Dec 01 00:55:02 hi Dec 01 00:55:13 any activity here? ;) Dec 01 01:03:16 silent world ;) Dec 01 01:03:20 yeah ;) Dec 01 01:03:32 I need someone to talk to ;) Dec 01 01:03:46 me in a hurry, sorry Dec 01 01:03:58 msn is empty, girlfriend's gone, ... only place i can go is the irc of openmoko Dec 01 01:04:04 guess how desperate I am ;) Dec 01 01:04:12 haha, no problem Dec 01 01:06:44 updated the schematics:) Dec 01 01:06:49 pieterc, You're going about it in the wrong way. Say something like "Can someone help me get Windows Mobile running on my Freerunner?" or "Will the gta04 have one or two glamo chips?" . Dec 01 01:07:26 Can I remove the white screen of death using opkg?: opkg remove wsod? Dec 01 01:07:27 ;) Dec 01 01:07:56 <^wd^> why windows mobile? vista only :) http://stavcom.ru/vistaonfr1.jpg Dec 01 01:08:16 pieterc: you can remove wsod by rm -rf /* Dec 01 01:08:26 lol Dec 01 01:08:39 but it is not recommended Dec 01 01:08:45 ^ws^ : seems like you got an ugly virus there Dec 01 01:08:48 haha Dec 01 01:09:09 man rm|grep rf Dec 01 01:10:14 man rm|grep -- -r; man rm|grep -- -f Dec 01 01:12:51 doesn't work for me, shell says "command not found" ;-) Dec 01 01:13:04 I must be honest, i did not know the rm -rf command... but seems some funny things happened with that;) Dec 01 01:13:09 http://www.justpasha.org/folk/rm.html Dec 01 01:14:09 shell doesn't take any cammond any more :-((( Dec 01 01:14:52 cammonds are pretty hard to take actually Dec 01 01:15:06 since cammonds are pretty hard to swallow Dec 01 01:15:20 and as we all know Dec 01 01:15:24 Shell does not swallow Dec 01 01:15:30 i asked her once Dec 01 01:15:37 I said: Swallow Bitch Dec 01 01:15:47 ... Dec 01 01:16:06 quattrox spoiled my cammondpie Dec 01 01:16:52 It's too late over here Dec 01 01:16:57 think i'm going to sleep;) Dec 01 01:16:58 need sleep Dec 01 01:17:19 (and free-coke) Dec 01 01:17:37 can I delete "rm -rf /*" out from history, to ame shell work again? Dec 01 01:18:14 s/ame/make/ Dec 01 01:18:16 DocScrutinizer2 meant: can I delete "rm -rf /*" out from history, to make shell work again? Dec 01 01:18:32 DocScrutinizer: no. You'll have to do: cd /; git --reset hard Dec 01 01:18:57 doesn't know git ;-) Dec 01 01:19:23 cleartool uncheckout? Dec 01 01:20:18 quatrox, you're swede? =) Dec 01 01:22:43 btw: dd to partition with infile /dev/random is muuuuch better Dec 01 01:23:10 Fougner: no, I am from Norway Dec 01 01:23:50 oh.. =) Dec 01 01:24:07 Norway... how much hours of light you got ? Dec 01 01:24:20 i mean, how much hours of day ;) Dec 01 01:24:21 many Dec 01 01:24:27 I have electricity Dec 01 01:24:34 :) Dec 01 01:24:35 of day ;) Dec 01 01:24:46 not sure Dec 01 01:25:09 until 4pm I think Dec 01 01:25:21 I'm in Belgium, and i'm suffering from the not enough daylight syndrome ;) Dec 01 01:25:33 over here till 4:40 pm Dec 01 01:25:45 but the thing is... I wake around 2:20 Dec 01 01:25:52 so i only got 2 hours of sun ;) Dec 01 01:26:10 well, I usually don't notice the daylight except when I am at work and the sun is shining on my screen Dec 01 01:26:20 right Dec 01 01:26:43 ok.. I really gotta sleep now Dec 01 01:26:45 bye! Dec 01 01:26:47 me too Dec 01 01:26:48 bye Dec 01 01:35:12 http://www.justpasha.org/folk/whowhat.html Dec 01 01:46:09 ok, back to the real battle of wsod ;) Dec 01 01:53:20 DocScrutinizer2: I am sorry about the rm... I didn't think anyone would do that. Very sorry Dec 01 01:55:11 I killed more FR than you possibly ever could posess. don't worry ;-D Dec 01 01:55:17 Hmmm would be easy to add some more buttons to the freerunner? Dec 01 01:55:47 yes Dec 01 01:55:56 mechanically: no. Layout:no way. Electrically:.np Dec 01 01:56:10 usb? Dec 01 01:56:14 bt? Dec 01 01:56:17 sure Dec 01 01:56:23 thousands Dec 01 01:56:27 many options Dec 01 01:56:43 * mwester-laptop thinks that until the WSoD is fixed, a giant yellow "RESET" button on the back cover would be good ;) Dec 01 01:56:56 lol Dec 01 01:57:18 I focus on wsod, tho theidea is appealing Dec 01 01:57:48 :) Easy too -- just a NC pushbutton to interrupt the battery... Dec 01 01:58:25 nc like "not connected" in our schem? ;) Dec 01 01:58:51 It could be -- if the WSoD is fixed! :D Dec 01 01:58:59 why not just remove the bat each time... i never use the back cover anyway Dec 01 01:59:06 Otherwise, normally-closed Dec 01 01:59:15 maybe the real meaning is "null component", never know Dec 01 01:59:32 Well, some more buttons would be cool mainly for games but there are a lot more of uses Dec 01 01:59:51 quatrox: I even have a bit of tape on the battery to make it easier to pull out on mine. Dec 01 02:00:05 lol Dec 01 02:00:21 low number of buttons on FR is on purpose, don't ask whose Dec 01 02:01:12 nicfer: bluetooth buttons would be perfect for that Dec 01 02:01:13 hehe! Dec 01 02:01:25 mwester-laptop: (tape) want my royalties Dec 01 02:01:32 :p Dec 01 02:01:51 You'll have to contract with a patent troll! Dec 01 02:02:02 lol Dec 01 02:02:56 and you get sued, because the glue on the tape is patented (I guess) Dec 01 02:03:19 waaaah :-/ Dec 01 02:03:35 lol Dec 01 02:04:04 quatrox: shut up and start hosting mp3 on your server ;-) Dec 01 02:04:18 mp3? Dec 01 02:04:22 no way Dec 01 02:04:35 om2008 WITH mp3 Dec 01 02:04:38 I only use flac and ogg vorbis Dec 01 02:04:45 we can't do anymore Dec 01 02:04:45 * mwester-laptop uses mp3. Dec 01 02:04:52 And windows too.l Dec 01 02:05:02 * mwester-laptop is pragmatic that way. Dec 01 02:05:16 I feel sorry for you, mwester Dec 01 02:05:55 Dunno why... I'm happy :) Dec 01 02:06:01 is that vista you are using? Dec 01 02:06:09 Right now? Fedora 8 Dec 01 02:06:12 Hear! hear! Dec 01 02:06:12 or the new windows 7? Dec 01 02:06:38 fedora is nice Dec 01 02:06:54 Don't do vista. but not for anti-windows stuff, just because I don't need the admin hassles. XP is enough to deal with. Dec 01 02:07:15 * mwester-laptop wonders if he should mention that his primary phone runs PalmOS Dec 01 02:07:55 keewl Dec 01 02:08:17 My goal is have all in one device Dec 01 02:08:33 I'd like that, but display is the problem. Dec 01 02:09:00 yup, vista on FR :D Dec 01 02:09:46 Naw, has to be Red Hat Enterprise Linux on the FR. Dec 01 02:09:49 works! seen a photo ;) Dec 01 02:10:35 photo of RH E? Dec 01 02:10:42 well, RHEL should be kinda feasibe actually Dec 01 02:11:02 photo of vista :p Dec 01 02:11:03 export DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0.0 startx Dec 01 02:11:06 ahh Dec 01 02:11:13 vnc Dec 01 02:11:33 hah Dec 01 02:11:42 :-) Dec 01 02:11:49 hmmm any 2008.11 images Dave ? Dec 01 02:11:54 Nope Dec 01 02:11:56 Dave, now. doitnow. Dec 01 02:12:02 :[ Dec 01 02:12:04 Busy Dec 01 02:12:05 ewww, wsod waiting for me Dec 01 02:12:08 hahaha Dec 01 02:12:11 quatrox: but that requires another computer -- the ideal goal would be a bluetooth keyboard and a direct video connection to a flat panel monitor. Dec 01 02:12:13 Looking forward to tomorrow, Joerg? :) Dec 01 02:12:18 Back to work :P Dec 01 02:12:28 right now dave Dec 01 02:12:53 TZ U know? Dec 01 02:13:19 Monday morning for you alread, DocScrutinizer2? Dec 01 02:13:23 mwester-laptop: Kuluu "Works Everywhere" Dec 01 02:13:36 yup, and I'm late Dec 01 02:13:42 c u, guys Dec 01 02:14:52 I KNOW Dec 01 02:14:58 Later J Dec 01 02:15:01 Good luck :p Dec 01 02:15:10 Make sure to take the FRs out of the fridge ;) Dec 01 02:15:53 Mwester, I find it musing how as far as we have come from the original concept, the more we delve into the myriad of problems surrounding the freerunner, the closer and closer it becomes to fulfilling its initial perception of being a shower radio ;) Dec 01 02:16:39 * quatrox must slee 3 hours, then off to work:( Dec 01 02:17:01 s/slee/sleep/ Dec 01 02:17:31 hehe! Dec 01 02:17:40 Dave: loool Dec 01 02:17:57 mwester, seriously, we see them showing up in fridges, barbecues, what's next!? Dec 01 02:18:01 See my point? ;) Dec 01 02:18:10 quatrox->sleep(10800); Dec 01 02:18:23 duh, apt not substituting in /me's? Dec 01 02:18:50 No, that wouldn't make sense, then she would become everybody's bitch :p Dec 01 02:18:53 * Dave pets apt Dec 01 02:19:22 apt take cookie Dec 01 02:19:34 apt ? Dec 01 02:19:38 wtf Dec 01 02:19:53 ~.~ Dec 01 02:19:53 ~cuddle Dave Dec 01 02:19:54 * apt grabs Dave and cuddles until Dave begs for mercy Dec 01 02:20:15 ahh, Dec 01 02:20:23 ^_^ Dec 01 02:20:28 apt: take cookie Dec 01 02:20:33 apt: botsnack Dec 01 02:20:33 :), Dave Dec 01 02:20:42 I like you too, apt. Dec 01 02:20:45 But not too much. Dec 01 02:20:47 apt: you're useless Dec 01 02:20:48 * apt starts crying and hides from mwester-laptop in the darkest corner of the room. :( Dec 01 02:21:07 * mwester-laptop feels bad now Dec 01 02:21:10 * DocScrutinizer2 beats apt with a newpaper Dec 01 02:22:27 :O Dec 01 02:22:32 Mwester: apologize! Dec 01 02:22:57 When I use "make download-images" with qemu, it says Kernel is... not found. How come? Dec 01 02:23:17 ~IRC Dec 01 02:23:18 "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." Dec 01 02:23:47 on that note i'll hit the sack Dec 01 02:23:52 n8 Dec 01 02:24:03 * quatrox apt Dec 01 02:31:50 hrm.. so weird Dec 01 02:56:05 apt: where are you? Dec 01 02:56:06 I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W Dec 01 02:56:50 that'd be here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=42.37512+N,+72.51999+W&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.339735,59.501953&ie=UTF8&ll=42.370974,-72.526588&spn=0.162333,0.23243&t=h&z=12&iwloc=addr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 01 02:59:58 2008