**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 15 14:38:29 2008
Dec 15 14:56:02 <Zorkman> could anyone in here upload http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary  to another place? i can't acces bearstech.com
Dec 15 14:56:17 <Zorkman> and with a public proxy i can only download 10MB
Dec 15 14:56:52 <Tig|> Zorkman, yeah 2 mins
Dec 15 14:57:40 <Zorkman> thanks Tig|
Dec 15 14:58:40 <Tig|> ETA 3 mins :)   
Dec 15 14:58:42 <Tig|> http://da.mned.co.uk/zork/
Dec 15 14:58:56 <Zorkman> thanks a lot!
Dec 15 14:59:21 <Tig|> no problem
Dec 15 14:59:30 <Tig|> what about the 10 meg limit?
Dec 15 14:59:35 <Tig|> it is about 80 meg
Dec 15 14:59:41 <Zorkman> no that's not the real problem
Dec 15 14:59:52 <Zorkman> problem is that my provider is unable to let me connect to bearstech.com
Dec 15 15:00:09 <Zorkman> but by using a proxy like the-cloak.com (which has blocked me for 5hours now) i can acces it
Dec 15 15:00:18 <Tig|> ah
Dec 15 15:00:21 <Zorkman> but other proxies have a max-filesize limit for files to download
Dec 15 15:00:22 <Tig|> gotcha :)
Dec 15 15:00:43 <Tig|> 1 min 10 remaining :)
Dec 15 15:00:51 <Zorkman> perfect
Dec 15 15:01:52 <Tig|> done!
Dec 15 15:02:16 <Tig|> let me know if you need anything else off there as all I am doing is sshing into my webspace and wgetting it across :)
Dec 15 15:02:19 <mrgarlic> haha.
Dec 15 15:02:34 <Zorkman> thanks again, downloading :)
Dec 15 15:02:49 <mrgarlic> so freerunner was sitting and charging and then just booted up. 
Dec 15 15:03:02 <mrgarlic> seemingly on its own.
Dec 15 15:03:32 <Tig|> ah it must have got to the stage where it could power up the power detection circuit
Dec 15 15:03:42 <DocScrutinizer> new kernel, blinking aux?
Dec 15 15:03:44 <Zorkman> mrgarlic: jup, happened to me also before
Dec 15 15:03:56 <DocScrutinizer> err uboot
Dec 15 15:04:16 <mrgarlic> could boot process have been started while battery was so low it just sat until it had enough energy to work.
Dec 15 15:04:29 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Dec 15 15:04:43 <mrgarlic> so interesting.
Dec 15 15:04:47 <DocScrutinizer> that's what werner's uboot does
Dec 15 15:04:53 <Tig|> basically when it is totally dead it does not have enough power to tell the charger to give it the full amount of power so it trickle charges until it can power up the charging circuit at which point it goes into full charge mode and powers on
Dec 15 15:05:00 <DocScrutinizer> flashing AUX slowly
Dec 15 15:05:06 <DocScrutinizer> + charging
Dec 15 15:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> Tig|: well kinda, yeah
Dec 15 15:06:10 <mrgarlic> i have extra battery.  but might invest in portable usb recharger.
Dec 15 15:06:15 <Tig|> well something like that,  as far as users are concerned :) 
Dec 15 15:06:31 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Dec 15 15:07:15 <Tig|> I cheat and jumpstart mine from a nokia battery and plug it in and then swap the battery for the dead one :)
Dec 15 15:27:31 <pjz> I spent the $3 and bought an external charger at some point
Dec 15 15:36:17 <Zorkman> watch out CVirus; Dave might make a remark about your nick :p
Dec 15 15:36:46 <CVirus> damn
Dec 15 15:37:07 <CVirus> looks like me and Dave are making a new internet meme :-p
Dec 15 15:37:13 <CVirus> Dave: we're gonna be famous
Dec 15 15:38:35 <Dave> bah :p
Dec 15 15:38:52 <CVirus> Wirus !!
Dec 15 15:39:23 * Dave fetches his shotgun
Dec 15 15:39:36 <CVirus> LOL
Dec 15 15:39:55 <Dave> I'm huntin' pesky wiruses, hehehehee :p
Dec 15 15:40:33 <CVirus> tard
Dec 15 15:41:18 <Dave> :D
Dec 15 15:47:56 <bricode> w
Dec 15 15:48:35 <Tig|> Dave!
Dec 15 15:55:09 <Dave> Yes
Dec 15 17:08:25 <slaxxin> wth
Dec 15 17:08:40 <slaxxin> hows the latest shr?
Dec 15 17:10:58 <Zorkman> i'm testing it atm
Dec 15 17:11:51 <slaxxin> any flaws?
Dec 15 17:12:35 <slaxxin> 1215?
Dec 15 17:12:40 <Zorkman> not that i have encountered
Dec 15 17:12:42 <slaxxin> 1214?
Dec 15 17:12:45 <Zorkman> but haven done gsm testing
Dec 15 17:13:04 <ragulp> who was talking about audio
Dec 15 17:13:06 <ragulp> ?
Dec 15 17:13:07 <Zorkman> *haven't
Dec 15 17:13:08 <ragulp> video?
Dec 15 17:13:33 <slaxxin> raster an glamo
Dec 15 17:27:04 <zwerg> Hi there.
Dec 15 17:27:41 <Dave> Greetings
Dec 15 17:28:28 <Zorkman> come on in and warm your feet zwerg
Dec 15 17:28:34 <Dave> :)
Dec 15 17:30:19 <zwerg> You wouldn't stand the smell.
Dec 15 17:31:08 <zwerg> I just wanted to ask whether the Freerunner hardware is suitable for everyday use or will be with further software development.
Dec 15 17:31:19 <zwerg> Or will there be another hardware release for the mass market?
Dec 15 17:31:43 <Dave> Both are likely, though the latter is more promising in terms of everyday use.
Dec 15 17:32:31 <zwerg> By "the latter" you mean a new hardware release?
Dec 15 17:32:37 <Dave> Yes
Dec 15 17:32:45 <Dave> There will be one or more in the future :)
Dec 15 17:32:49 <Dave> When, I cannot be certain
Dec 15 17:32:57 <Dave> It might be a while
Dec 15 17:33:19 <Dave> Though the freerunner is becoming more usable with more development, that much is certain.
Dec 15 17:33:25 <max_posedon> zmedico, it's depend on what you want from Freerunner for "everyday usage")
Dec 15 17:33:34 <max_posedon> *zwerg*
Dec 15 17:33:45 <Dave> Though I believe there are certain hardware issues which make it an unideal candidate for daily use.
Dec 15 17:33:55 <Dave> heh, yeah posideon :p
Dec 15 17:34:11 * mwester thinks Dave is practicing to be a politician, with the way he phrases that.
Dec 15 17:34:37 <SpeedEvil> At the moment, there is one fundamental hardware issue - an unfixable buzz which some users find makes calls impossible to make.
Dec 15 17:34:40 <zwerg> I heard about battery life issues for example.  Can Freerunner compete with ususal phones there?
Dec 15 17:34:45 <slaxxin> good job dave
Dec 15 17:34:47 <SpeedEvil> All of the others are annoyances.
Dec 15 17:34:49 <SpeedEvil> zwerg: no
Dec 15 17:35:02 <SpeedEvil> zwerg: about 10% of the power managment stuff has been done
Dec 15 17:35:28 <zwerg> SpeedEvil: And when talking only about the hardware?
Dec 15 17:35:29 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management
Dec 15 17:35:36 <max_posedon> hm... if you want use freerunner just for calls and sms
Dec 15 17:35:42 <SpeedEvil> zwerg: the hardware can do powersaving fine.
Dec 15 17:35:51 <max_posedon> power managment is good enough
Dec 15 17:35:55 <GNUtoo> hello, where are the files that are executed on suspend and on resume?
Dec 15 17:35:57 <SpeedEvil> zwerg: it's just the software isn't there.
Dec 15 17:36:09 <ragulp> i was wondering if there could be better prices if we would purchase just stocks of the board only
Dec 15 17:36:14 <ragulp> without cover display etc.
Dec 15 17:36:26 <SpeedEvil> Nope.
Dec 15 17:36:30 <ragulp> shit
Dec 15 17:36:37 <SpeedEvil> There was early talk of a 'parts' store.
Dec 15 17:36:42 <SpeedEvil> But that's not come to anything.
Dec 15 17:37:18 <GNUtoo> zwerg, i do not seem to have the buzz is it normal(i've the GPS hardware fix)
Dec 15 17:37:33 <ragulp> if i bring my develpment to a point where my company could purchase openmoko there would be for 10stocks per time a month
Dec 15 17:37:37 <SpeedEvil> gnu{-: some people don't seem to have a problem
Dec 15 17:38:01 <zwerg> SpeedEvil: What about power management in the Qtopia implementation for Freerunner?
Dec 15 17:38:12 <SpeedEvil> zwerg: I'm unsure
Dec 15 17:39:03 <GNUtoo> zwerg, i've SHR and it *seems* to resume 100% of the times at least manually....but ophonekitd can die...(it happened once)
Dec 15 17:39:05 <max_posedon> zwerg, hm... I recharged my battery, every 4th day, when I used qtopia.
Dec 15 17:39:05 <mwester> zwerg:  there's nothing special about power management in Qtopia/Qt Extended.
Dec 15 17:39:33 <max_posedon> zwerg, but it really depends on, how you use your phone
Dec 15 17:39:36 <GNUtoo> zwerg, ah yes and on SHR you may have to press more than once for hanging up
Dec 15 17:39:46 <GNUtoo> zwerg, but SHR has not been released yet
Dec 15 17:39:56 <max_posedon> (gps, wifi, bluetooth eat battery fast)
Dec 15 17:40:20 <zwerg> mwester: Question is if it's done or not ;-)
Dec 15 17:40:36 <ragulp> however, is openmoko powered up by usb?
Dec 15 17:40:42 <ragulp> i mean the power charger is usb?
Dec 15 17:40:44 <mwester> zwerg:  as SpeedEvil said, no.  The kernel support for proper power management is no where even close.
Dec 15 17:40:44 <GNUtoo> i have 4/5h of battery life without suspend...but with suspend I have a lot more(mabe more than one day i didn't test it so long)
Dec 15 17:41:03 <max_posedon> GNUtoo, upto 4days for me)
Dec 15 17:41:10 <zwerg> max_posedon: Sounds okay.  Key is, I need a new phone and want to hack on OpenMoko.  So I would need the phone just as normal and then hack from time to time.
Dec 15 17:41:10 <max_posedon> (with Qtopia or SHR)
Dec 15 17:41:18 <GNUtoo> max_posedon, wow...
Dec 15 17:41:44 <max_posedon> but I didn't used wifi/gps/etc, it just sleep a lot of time.
Dec 15 17:42:05 <GNUtoo> max_posedon, i have to disable the wifi before suspend and also rotate the screen as xrandr -o 0 for suspend...how do i do that? is there a file that I can modify and that is ran on suspend and on resume?
Dec 15 17:42:23 <max_posedon> I don't know)
Dec 15 17:42:49 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 15 17:43:02 <ragulp> is the neo freerunner charger usb only?
Dec 15 17:43:08 <Tig|> yes
Dec 15 17:43:19 <max_posedon> zwerg, I successfully throw out my old phone, and haven't big problems with neo)
Dec 15 17:43:28 <Tig|> ragulp, but it can charge in fast mode using a wallcharger
Dec 15 17:43:31 <ragulp> so it uses the only usb for supply
Dec 15 17:43:36 <zwerg> When you talk about suspend, phone features are disabled meanwhile, right?
Dec 15 17:43:48 <ragulp> Tig|: a wallcharger attached trough usb..
Dec 15 17:43:50 <ragulp> then
Dec 15 17:43:55 <ragulp> and it has no other usb
Dec 15 17:44:02 <Tig|> yes but the wall charger has a special resistor in it so it can deliver I think it is 1A 
Dec 15 17:44:04 <Zorkman> nope, they should be in deep sleep, but due to a bug for the moment deep sleep is disabled
Dec 15 17:44:08 <max_posedon> zwerg, no, gsm can wake up phone on any call/sms
Dec 15 17:44:15 <Zorkman> zwerg: when in suspend you can recieve calls and sms
Dec 15 17:44:23 <Tig|> it will charge off normal USB slowly or from the USB wall charger quickly
Dec 15 17:44:44 <zwerg> Ah, this is nice.  And the wakeup is fast enough to answer the call? ;)
Dec 15 17:44:54 <mwester> sometimes.
Dec 15 17:45:22 <max_posedon> zwerg, it's depend on patient of person, who calls you)
Dec 15 17:46:08 <max_posedon> as for me, I notify all my friend to be patient, asked them to don't write sms to me in russian).
Dec 15 17:59:32 <bedboi> hi there
Dec 15 18:00:10 <bedboi> is neo1973 still supported?
Dec 15 18:00:25 <Tig|> yes
Dec 15 18:00:56 <bedboi> Tig|: what's the newest rootfs/kernel for neo1973?
Dec 15 18:01:15 <Tig|> ah,  which distro
Dec 15 18:01:23 <slaxxin> shr, an a few otheers
Dec 15 18:01:46 <Tig|> have a looky on the wiki distributions page
Dec 15 18:02:07 <slaxxin> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
Dec 15 18:02:25 <Tig|> SHR is my personal fav.
Dec 15 18:02:33 <slaxxin> i dont know if fso does or not
Dec 15 18:02:58 <slaxxin> i think fso is getting all the goodies   
Dec 15 18:04:17 <slaxxin> why is it that shr i have problems  installing stuff
Dec 15 18:04:34 <slaxxin> dependencies/
Dec 15 18:04:37 <slaxxin> '/?
Dec 15 18:05:01 <Tig|> dunno,  I can't find my freerunner at the moment :(
Dec 15 18:05:23 <mwester> Your coffee cup is on the USB cable - anyone can PLAINLY see that's your trouble, slaxxin.
Dec 15 18:05:41 <slaxxin> i can fix that
Dec 15 18:05:48 <mwester> (silly people, don't they know that restricts the flow of electrons???)
Dec 15 18:05:55 <mwester> Sheeesh.
Dec 15 18:05:58 <mwester> :P
Dec 15 18:05:59 <bedboi> is this ok for neo1973? http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2 
Dec 15 18:06:09 <Tig|> yeah only the ones can get through lying on their sides
Dec 15 18:06:17 <mwester> bedboi:  Nope! Hint: "gta02" in the filename!
Dec 15 18:06:28 <slaxxin> the heat from the cup causes restriction    therfore im    restricted
Dec 15 18:06:43 <bedboi> mwester: i thought it was ok, 'cause it's in neo1973 directory
Dec 15 18:06:45 <mwester> Tig|:  Yeah.  The healthy, plump ones that are *good* for your phone just off to your Windows system instead.
Dec 15 18:06:49 <slaxxin> no
Dec 15 18:07:14 <Tig|> mwester, who are you accusing of having a windows system? :P#
Dec 15 18:07:18 <mwester> bedboi:  hmmm.... maybe it's the gta01 & 1/2 ?
Dec 15 18:10:33 <slaxxin> anybody have latest om-testing with a  volume bar?
Dec 15 18:10:48 <slaxxin> an does it work?
Dec 15 18:11:36 <AntonTakk> i think i do, and i dunno cause i can't get the volume slider to actually move
Dec 15 18:17:29 <slaxxin> i made the rounds  an i guess  qtopia really keeps me from multitasking, unless im missing something, its back to shr
Dec 15 18:18:55 <Tig|> qtopia is ok as a basic phone but does not really take advantage of the whole open smartphone thing
Dec 15 18:19:53 <slaxxin> what about taking some things from qtx an putting them on debian?
Dec 15 18:20:02 <slaxxin> allowed/
Dec 15 18:20:03 <mwester> slaxxin:  HORRORS!!!
Dec 15 18:20:04 <slaxxin> ?
Dec 15 18:20:09 <slaxxin> lol
Dec 15 18:20:16 <LuYu> the kernel images are no longer in /framework/milestone3/
Dec 15 18:20:21 <LuYu> where are they now?
Dec 15 18:20:26 <mwester> slaxxin:  EGADS! NO!   That's what 2008.x is, and that's why it's such a huge mistake.
Dec 15 18:20:35 <slaxxin> oic
Dec 15 18:20:53 <Tig|> I still thing the openhand stuff was much nicer than the qt stuff
Dec 15 18:21:08 <slaxxin> so thats why it just doesnt work well
Dec 15 18:21:11 <mwester> openhand stuff was the right direction.
Dec 15 18:22:02 <slaxxin> why doesnt a group head off in that direction then?
Dec 15 18:22:26 <slaxxin> or is there another problem?
Dec 15 18:23:10 <slaxxin> qt is very nice
Dec 15 18:23:11 <mwester> The fundamental issue, IMO, is if the software is X-based, or not.  Qtopia/Qt Extended is not, and neither is Android -- so neither will meet what the community wants, although both will probably be excellent phone software stacks.
Dec 15 18:24:02 * Tm_T is preferring X/Qt(extended?)
Dec 15 18:24:05 <mwester> slaxxin:  the motivator behind SHR was to port the Openhand stuff to use the FSO framework -- but it was found that writing a new dialer and some apps from scratch was easier than porting the Openhand stuff.
Dec 15 18:24:19 <slaxxin> non-xbased is much faster -correct?
Dec 15 18:24:24 <lindi-> mwester: you should be able to run both framebuffer and X apps at the same time with some emulation quite easily though?
Dec 15 18:24:34 <lindi-> slaxxin: afaik it's not so simple
Dec 15 18:24:43 <mwester> slaxxin:  there should be little difference if it's all working correctly.
Dec 15 18:24:56 <mwester> lindi-:  theoretically, but it doesnt' seem to work very well.
Dec 15 18:25:27 <Tig|> I assume it does not work very well because FB apps don't expect X to be there at the same time
Dec 15 18:26:31 <mwester> lindi-:  apparently somebody at one point did create a Qtopia "app" or "library" that emulated X.  The issue is that so much software assumes so much -- it's far beyond the display and involves things like evetns (mouse, keyboard, buttons, etdc)
Dec 15 18:26:38 * mwester can't spell.)
Dec 15 18:27:24 <mwester> Om 2008.x went the other way -- they tried to port the Qtopia apps to use X.  It didn't work well either.
Dec 15 18:27:31 <lindi-> mwester: ok
Dec 15 18:29:49 <slaxxin> but the openhand did work well
Dec 15 18:30:03 <slaxxin> correct?
Dec 15 18:31:28 <Tig|> the front end stuff was ok it missed a few features but was work in progress,  the problem was the backend which had some big problems and limitations, also some people did not like the embedded evolution data server
Dec 15 18:32:06 <Tig|> but changing the backend code to use the new framework technology is not a simple process 
Dec 15 18:32:47 <ragulp> can battery be recharged at 3.6V?
Dec 15 18:32:48 <Tig|> especially for people to just come in and do,  I assume openhand would be able to do it but the community does not have a pile of cash to pay their wages
Dec 15 18:33:16 <slaxxin> money
Dec 15 18:33:27 <slaxxin> is the problem
Dec 15 18:33:47 <ragulp> remember, if the problem is money
Dec 15 18:33:52 <ragulp> it's not a problem
Dec 15 18:33:58 <ragulp> it's an incoming solution
Dec 15 18:34:11 <Tig|> that is a very bad pun :)
Dec 15 18:34:19 <ragulp> lol
Dec 15 18:35:19 <ragulp> however
Dec 15 18:35:28 <ragulp> i was wondering if i could charge it at 3.6 v
Dec 15 18:36:01 <Tig|> no idea
Dec 15 18:36:40 <mwester> ragulp:  not using the phone.
Dec 15 18:37:21 <mwester> ragulp:  the phone requires the standard USB +5v (with the normal USB tolerance, which does not permit the voltage to go down to 3.6v)
Dec 15 18:41:57 <ragulp> now the last question
Dec 15 18:42:19 <ragulp> is there any way i can use the usb channel  and the power supply together?
Dec 15 18:42:28 <ragulp> i mean can i split the usb?
Dec 15 18:42:34 <SpeedEvil> the power supply and the USB are largely independant
Dec 15 18:42:35 <ragulp> is there another usb ?
Dec 15 18:42:46 <ragulp> so i need a usb splitter
Dec 15 18:42:50 <SpeedEvil> can you expand on what you mean?
Dec 15 18:43:03 <ragulp> i wouls like to test a usb pen
Dec 15 18:43:09 <ragulp> and have the power supply
Dec 15 18:43:16 <ragulp> on the phone
Dec 15 18:43:28 <ragulp> having the phone recharging while using peripherals usb
Dec 15 18:43:35 <SpeedEvil> yes, you can do that with the right cable, which may not be available commonly
Dec 15 18:43:44 <ragulp> yeah indeed
Dec 15 18:43:50 <Tig|> is that the famous Y cable?
Dec 15 18:43:51 <SpeedEvil> Do you own a far-eastern cable manufacturing plant?
Dec 15 18:44:00 <SpeedEvil> Or failing that, a soldering iron?
Dec 15 18:44:03 <Tig|> if it is then there are instructions to make your own on the wiki
Dec 15 18:44:11 <ragulp> yeah i do
Dec 15 18:44:16 <lindi-> i would want such a Y cable too
Dec 15 18:45:11 <ragulp> so it isnt a usb hub
Dec 15 18:45:27 <SpeedEvil> no
Dec 15 18:45:30 <ragulp> wait wiki wiki wiki
Dec 15 18:45:33 <ragulp> oh shit
Dec 15 18:46:09 <lindi-> ragulp: simple Y cable will do but i do not know if anybody sells those
Dec 15 18:46:45 <ragulp> i'll do it
Dec 15 18:46:52 <ragulp> usb 4 pins
Dec 15 18:47:01 <ragulp> thaz just 4! combos
Dec 15 18:47:26 <ragulp> i should see a pri card instead
Dec 15 18:47:44 <SpeedEvil> And only 12 of those will cause it to explode
Dec 15 18:47:49 <ragulp> hHHAHHHH
Dec 15 18:48:45 <Sargun> Hm, I'd be willing to use a USRP to help fix #1024.
Dec 15 18:49:05 <Sargun> Can an FR be powered soley from USP?
Dec 15 18:49:08 <Sargun> USB even.
Dec 15 18:49:12 <SpeedEvil> yes
Dec 15 18:51:03 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: you have USRP?
Dec 15 18:51:07 <lindi-> Sargun: sorry, meant you
Dec 15 18:51:25 <Sargun> No, but I'd buy one
Dec 15 18:51:27 <lindi-> Sargun: while you are at it, fix the CBHZ=1 issue
Dec 15 18:51:38 <Sargun> Especially if OM compensated me.
Dec 15 18:51:48 <Sargun> :-)
Dec 15 18:55:11 <Sargun> Alright, E-mail sent off to OM.
Dec 15 18:55:32 <Sargun> I'd be willing to get them a USRP + A Freerunner hooked up to an SSH session.
Dec 15 18:55:53 <Sargun> I can't guarantee them an RF insulated room unless they pay me for it
Dec 15 19:02:07 <Sargun> lindi-, No one here really uses HZ
Dec 15 19:06:09 <Digital_Pioneer> Just got my Freerunner. I bought it used, and it has Qt Extended on it... Does OM 2008.8 have a decent alarm clock?
Dec 15 19:06:12 <Digital_Pioneer> :P
Dec 15 19:07:41 <zwerg> Digital_Pioneer: What is the standby time with Qt Extended? :-)
Dec 15 19:10:06 <bumbl> Digital_Pioneer: Om 2008.8 doesn't have anything decent :(
Dec 15 19:10:38 <Digital_Pioneer> bumbl: Heheh, OK, how about FDOM? :P
Dec 15 19:11:05 <Digital_Pioneer> zwerg: Standby time? How long it waits before going to standby?
Dec 15 19:11:24 <bumbl> fdom is just om2008.8 which sucks a bit less at the cost of battery life
Dec 15 19:11:47 <bumbl> my opinion
Dec 15 19:12:10 <bumbl> i would stick with latest qt extended or go for shr (current builds are a bit unstable)
Dec 15 19:13:02 <lindi-> Sargun: HZ?
Dec 15 19:13:36 <Digital_Pioneer> I'll try SHR then. Is there a wiki page on how to flash new distros?
Dec 15 19:13:43 <Sargun> home zones.
Dec 15 19:14:00 <Sargun> Nor cell broadcast services.
Dec 15 19:14:07 <lindi-> Sargun: fso-frameworkd uses
Dec 15 19:14:13 <Sargun> lindi-, I know
Dec 15 19:14:23 <Sargun> but I'm saying it would be pointless for me to do it
Dec 15 19:14:43 <lindi-> still it would be interesting to know what happens?
Dec 15 19:14:58 <Sargun> not really
Dec 15 19:15:15 <Sargun> :-P
Dec 15 19:16:21 <AntonTakk> yep, volume slider on the curent testing 2008.x dialer works  :)
Dec 15 19:17:10 <AntonTakk> if it could receive mms and read the contacts on my sim i'd be quite happy
Dec 15 19:17:25 <Sargun> I can read contacts from my SIM
Dec 15 19:17:30 <Sargun> Not MMS yet.
Dec 15 19:17:43 <Sargun> I've never used MMS before
Dec 15 19:17:49 <Sargun> Well, directly.
Dec 15 19:18:15 <Digital_Pioneer> Eek, lots of files in SHR download folder... Which ones do I need?
Dec 15 19:18:39 <SpeedEvil> *2442* AIUI
Dec 15 19:18:45 <SpeedEvil> If you've FR
Dec 15 19:18:47 <AntonTakk> Sargun: well, it seems anything that comes through tmobile's e-mail to sms gateway becomes an mms
Dec 15 19:18:58 <Sargun> odd.
Dec 15 19:19:26 <AntonTakk> which, unfortunately, includes e-mails from nagios  :)
Dec 15 19:19:53 <Sargun> I need some google linkage 
Dec 15 19:20:10 <AntonTakk> it also doesn't show gsm signal strength
Dec 15 19:20:19 <Digital_Pioneer> Do I just need shr-image-om-gta02.{jffs2,tar.gz}?
Dec 15 19:21:16 <Sargun> AntonTakk, you don't have IMAP?
Dec 15 19:21:46 <Sargun> <A href="http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24">smediatech</a> <A href="http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24">smedia</a> <A href="http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24">glamo</a> 
Dec 15 19:21:51 <bumbl> Digital_Pioneer: jffs2.summary
Dec 15 19:21:56 <Sargun> I would appreciate everyone putting that in their web page
Dec 15 19:21:56 <bumbl> +
Dec 15 19:22:04 <bumbl> wikipage dfu-util
Dec 15 19:22:39 <bumbl> + remember: at the moment it is a bit unstable because they are changing many things at the moment
Dec 15 19:23:21 <AntonTakk> Sargun: yeah, but for notifications like that sms is more efficient
Dec 15 19:23:38 <AntonTakk> and the phone doesn't have to check every so often
Dec 15 19:24:05 <Sargun> Push?
Dec 15 19:24:18 <SpeedEvil> SMS is push, yes
Dec 15 19:24:45 <Sargun> No, I mean, write push email.
Dec 15 19:26:26 <Digital_Pioneer> bumbl: A single jffs2.summary file and dfu-util? Which jffs2.summary? Heheheh
Dec 15 19:27:42 <bumbl> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary <- try this one, this is the latest + http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
Dec 15 19:28:13 <Digital_Pioneer> bumbl: OK, and what's so special about lite? Hehehe
Dec 15 19:29:08 <bumbl> well it is lite
Dec 15 19:29:27 <bumbl> you could take the latest "fat" one too if you want
Dec 15 19:29:59 <bumbl> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started
Dec 15 19:30:49 <Dave> Bears with tech... not a good idea :p
Dec 15 19:31:42 <igor321> bears are so cool though
Dec 15 19:31:52 * bumbl slaps Dave with one of his espionage freerunners
Dec 15 19:32:08 <zwerg> Digital_Pioneer: I actually meant how long the battery lasts if you are doing nothing special (GPS, Wifi, ...).
Dec 15 19:32:37 <igor321> 2 days 4 me
Dec 15 19:32:49 <igor321> gsm and suspend
Dec 15 19:33:11 <Dave> Four days, one moko, no brains.
Dec 15 19:33:11 <Digital_Pioneer> zwerg: Ahhhh, well, I just got it. It's still charging.
Dec 15 19:33:11 <bumbl> best: nearly a week
Dec 15 19:33:19 <bumbl> worst: 2-3h
Dec 15 19:36:51 <Digital_Pioneer> Using terminal on Qt Extended == freaking nightmare.
Dec 15 19:37:15 <igor321> i just had a long walk and i managed to type iwlist scan
Dec 15 19:37:24 <Dave> :D
Dec 15 19:37:27 <lindi-> bumbl: here it is around 25 hours in suspend
Dec 15 19:37:30 <igor321> was very proud of myself
Dec 15 19:38:00 <bumbl> yep recently i get around 26h
Dec 15 19:38:13 <bumbl> suspend + some usage
Dec 15 19:38:37 <Dave> wpw
Dec 15 19:38:40 <Dave> wow
Dec 15 19:38:58 <Dave> mooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Dec 15 19:39:02 <bumbl> some = minimal = eightball
Dec 15 19:39:19 <Digital_Pioneer> I just typed 'route default gw add 192.168.1.1' to realize add comes first after route... :(
Dec 15 19:41:00 <igor321> and there's no up or left key on that keyboard of qtopia's, you got pwnt
Dec 15 19:42:38 <cb22> I thought that GTA03 was going to have the same SoC as GTA02? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 says it's getting a 6410
Dec 15 19:42:50 <Dave> yeah
Dec 15 19:42:53 <Dave> It will
Dec 15 19:42:58 <igor321> yeah i also thought that, but i wuz wrong
Dec 15 19:42:59 <Dave> That's the plan, anyway.
Dec 15 19:43:06 <igor321> it's gonna rock!
Dec 15 19:43:13 <cb22> nice :)
Dec 15 19:43:32 <Digital_Pioneer> igor321: Yeah.
Dec 15 19:45:07 <Digital_Pioneer> WOOT! Got the freerunner online via terminal.
Dec 15 19:45:58 <Digital_Pioneer> Just set essid, IP, DNS servers, gateway... All with a keyboard with keys half the size of the stylus tip... Done.
Dec 15 19:46:32 <Digital_Pioneer> Please tell me I can get a bigger keyboard on SHR...
Dec 15 19:46:46 <igor321> it's much better
Dec 15 19:50:28 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, I have openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary and dfu-util. Anything else needed to flash SHR to freerunner?
Dec 15 19:50:52 <igor321> flash the kernel also
Dec 15 19:51:08 <viq> What's the difference between *jffs2 and *jffs2.summary ?
Dec 15 19:51:49 <kd8ikt> summary is faster
Dec 15 19:52:05 <kd8ikt> has like a FS summary
Dec 15 19:52:43 <Sargun> Reddit is broken.
Dec 15 19:52:49 <Digital_Pioneer> igor321: Which is kernel? modules-*.tgz?
Dec 15 19:53:41 <igor321> Digital_Pioneer: dunno where you're lookin, a file of 1 or 2 mb
Dec 15 19:53:50 <igor321> maybe uImage.bin or something
Dec 15 19:54:15 <Digital_Pioneer> igor321: OK, yeah. uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
Dec 15 19:54:34 <Digital_Pioneer> And will I need the modules tgz?
Dec 15 19:55:24 <igor321> i don't think you will :)
Dec 15 19:57:01 <Digital_Pioneer> OK.
Dec 15 19:58:34 <Digital_Pioneer> How do I go about ensuring the battery will survive the entire flash? Heheheh
Dec 15 19:58:45 <Digital_Pioneer> i.e. How do I see how much life it has?
Dec 15 19:59:20 <igor321> there's an indicator, you'll see it as soon as it boots ;)
Dec 15 20:02:30 <Digital_Pioneer> I think I'll let it charge a few hours just to be sure. :)
Dec 15 20:07:25 <Digital_Pioneer> Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but from the wiki it appears the FR will charge faster from wall power than USB. Is this correct?
Dec 15 20:07:37 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: yes
Dec 15 20:07:53 <feitingen> i can confirm that
Dec 15 20:08:09 <Digital_Pioneer> Also, I seem to have read that after completely charging, it will begin discharging even if it's still plugged in. Is this true as well?
Dec 15 20:08:26 <Psi> that seems odd
Dec 15 20:08:50 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: that has been fixed in andy-tracking
Dec 15 20:08:54 <Digital_Pioneer> Psi: Yes, but then it has to be booted to charge, which seems odd too. Heheheh
Dec 15 20:08:59 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: after the rework of PMU stuff
Dec 15 20:09:13 <Psi> Digital_Pioneer: heh
Dec 15 20:09:19 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: wall charger can give 1A, your PC only 500mA
Dec 15 20:09:36 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, so after charging, it uses USB power and doesn't discharge battery. Excellent.
Dec 15 20:09:50 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: yes
Dec 15 20:10:30 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, and that is already present in SHR? Or just this... Andy-tracking? (IDK what that is)
Dec 15 20:10:44 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: andy-tracking is a branch of linux-2.6.git
Dec 15 20:11:06 <Digital_Pioneer> And is the fix in SHR? Do you know?
Dec 15 20:11:13 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: what kernel does SHR have?
Dec 15 20:11:52 <Digital_Pioneer> lindi-: Looks like I'll be flashing 2.6.24-oe3
Dec 15 20:12:09 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: "2.6.24-oe3" does not carry enough information to me
Dec 15 20:12:28 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: except that it most likely does not have this since andy-tracking is now following 2.6.28
Dec 15 20:12:53 <Digital_Pioneer> uImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin Is the full filename...
Dec 15 20:13:03 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, that's a pain.
Dec 15 20:13:34 <Psi> hm.. how long should 'opkg install zhone' sit there for saying 'installing zhone bla to root..' ?
Dec 15 20:13:48 <lindi-> commit fb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7
Dec 15 20:13:48 <lindi-> Author: Andy Green <agreen@pads.home.warmcat.com>
Dec 15 20:13:48 <lindi-> Date:   Fri Dec 5 11:03:59 2008 +0000
Dec 15 20:14:38 <Digital_Pioneer> lindi-: So what's that in idiot n00b terms? :P
Dec 15 20:14:53 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: which part?
Dec 15 20:19:43 <Digital_Pioneer> Does it have it or not? I'm guessing not.
Dec 15 20:20:58 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: i am not entirely sure
Dec 15 20:21:08 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: since i do not know which exact commit added it
Dec 15 20:22:05 <Digital_Pioneer> lindi-: OK, well, thanks anyways. :)
Dec 15 20:58:51 <Psi> hm.. fso milestone 4.1 image is quite good, seems stable and the terminal works great. Even woke up from suspend when i called it and seems to last a fair while in suspend before the battery dies :)
Dec 15 20:59:35 <Psi> i think once the horrible echo is fixed i can actually use it as a phone :)
Dec 15 21:02:03 <Dave> Maybe :P
Dec 15 21:02:57 <Psi> heh
Dec 15 21:03:16 <Psi> well, it is looking a huge amount better than the last time i looked :)
Dec 15 21:05:26 <Dave> If you add enough monkeys...
Dec 15 21:29:49 <Tig|> you get Shakespeare
Dec 15 21:30:06 <Tig|> sorry was on the phone
Dec 15 21:30:47 <poco> mmm... anyone using shr here?
Dec 15 21:31:45 <viq> yes
Dec 15 21:33:23 <Ainulindale> Yes too.
Dec 15 21:33:41 <poco> which files should i use to give it a try? what are all the jffs2 files in the images directory?
Dec 15 21:33:52 <poco> the ones starting with openmoko-xxx
Dec 15 21:34:02 <Ainulindale> viq: that one is for you :-)
Dec 15 21:34:20 <poco> particulary the ones with glibc inside their name
Dec 15 21:34:36 <viq> :P
Dec 15 21:34:38 <Ainulindale> They all have glibc in their name IIRC.
Dec 15 21:34:51 <poco> some don't
Dec 15 21:34:56 <poco> 	shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 15 21:34:57 <Ainulindale> They're symlinks.
Dec 15 21:35:01 <viq> poco: jffs2 are the ones to flash to your phone, tar.gz are to be extracted onto a card
Dec 15 21:35:14 <Ainulindale> See the matching timestamps.
Dec 15 21:35:15 <poco> Ainulindale, ah yes indeed 
Dec 15 21:35:34 <poco> so suspend works on shr?
Dec 15 21:35:46 <Ainulindale> Yes.
Dec 15 21:35:46 <viq> depends which image :P
Dec 15 21:35:57 <poco> :)
Dec 15 21:36:03 <Ainulindale> viq: depends on the user who upgrades while he should reflash :-)
Dec 15 21:36:09 <viq> :b
Dec 15 21:36:09 <Ainulindale> Bad, baaaaaaaad, user
Dec 15 21:36:16 <Ainulindale> As I told on the ML
Dec 15 21:36:22 <Ainulindale> This won't be that way as soon as we switch to unstable
Dec 15 21:36:28 <Ainulindale> We'll freeze some stuff on testing
Dec 15 21:36:35 <Ainulindale> And go on with our mad developer skills on unstable
Dec 15 21:37:28 <viq> Uh, yeah, mailing lists, I guess I should have a look at those ;)
Dec 15 21:40:51 <slaxxin> mmmmm yummy  new stuff
Dec 15 21:41:16 <slaxxin> phone?
Dec 15 21:41:33 <slaxxin> voip?
Dec 15 21:47:27 <LostInSpace> anybody ever played with s3c24xx gpios using devmem2?
Dec 15 21:50:17 <mwester> why with devmem2?  does the s3c24xx-gpio command not suffice?
Dec 15 21:50:46 <LostInSpace> haven't tried compiling a c software for that devmem2 seemed to be the easiest way to go
Dec 15 21:51:14 <LostInSpace> is there an already written code to get status of all gpios on the s3c2410 for example? pull ups etc etc?
Dec 15 21:52:39 <mwester> s3c24xx-gpio
Dec 15 21:52:52 <mwester> should be present on all the current images.
Dec 15 21:53:28 <LostInSpace> source code (i'm not exactly runnign and openmoko device)
Dec 15 21:53:35 <LostInSpace> but it is using an s3c2410 proc =)
Dec 15 21:53:42 <LostInSpace> where can i get it?
Dec 15 21:54:01 <LostInSpace> just if you know quickly otherwise i'll google it =)
Dec 15 21:55:07 <mwester> If it's part of the base Om images, then search the package repos; the detailed description will have the source URL.
Dec 15 22:13:07 <poco> just booting on an shr and got a: "openmoko-messages was interrupted by a Segmentation Fault."
Dec 15 22:13:14 <poco> :(
Dec 15 22:15:18 <poco> gsm functionnalities seems not working in fact
Dec 15 22:15:50 <poco> and dbus not working
Dec 15 22:22:20 <sicu> poco: is ophonekitd running ?
Dec 15 22:22:26 <poco> no
Dec 15 22:22:27 <poco> it dies
Dec 15 22:22:34 <poco> after being unable to connect to dbus
Dec 15 22:22:51 <sicu> killall -9 ophonekitd
Dec 15 22:23:02 <sicu> DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&
Dec 15 22:23:08 <poco> yep
Dec 15 22:23:25 <sicu> then wait for PIN dialog, unless you've disabled it
Dec 15 22:23:41 <poco> sicu, i didn't
Dec 15 22:23:42 <poco> http://rafb.net/p/fBRbjm89.html
Dec 15 22:23:46 <poco> got that error log
Dec 15 22:23:50 <poco> an no pin dialog
Dec 15 22:24:16 <poco> just flashed shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
Dec 15 22:24:21 <poco> and booted
Dec 15 22:24:36 <poco> the "settings" menu gives me "unknown" on many items like the gsm
Dec 15 22:24:43 <poco> (which works under other distros)
Dec 15 22:24:54 <sicu> ahh .. I had that yesterday
Dec 15 22:25:11 <sicu> settings will give you unknown until ophonekitd is running
Dec 15 22:25:23 <poco> ah ok
Dec 15 22:25:27 <sicu> try a proper restart
Dec 15 22:25:32 <poco> as for dbus it seems rurnning
Dec 15 22:25:37 <poco> yes i am rebooting
Dec 15 22:25:55 <sicu> yes, but for some reason it's unavailable
Dec 15 22:26:06 <poco> is there any dbus-client?
Dec 15 22:26:28 <poco> i booted up using usb cable btw
Dec 15 22:28:07 <sicu> poco: there is mdbus: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus#Accessing_the_services
Dec 15 22:28:15 <poco> mmm... still got "unknown" status after reboot
Dec 15 22:29:03 <sicu> and ophonekitd still getting busy dbus ?
Dec 15 22:29:07 <poco> and similar error log
Dec 15 22:29:12 <Dave> I thought that said Accusing the services 
Dec 15 22:29:13 <poco> yes
Dec 15 22:29:17 <Dave> which could also be true :P
Dec 15 22:30:12 <sicu> ;p
Dec 15 22:30:45 <sicu> poco: did you flash testing or unstable ?
Dec 15 22:30:55 <poco> i don't know
Dec 15 22:31:19 <poco> files are timestamped of today
Dec 15 22:31:36 <poco> shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
Dec 15 22:31:45 <poco> testing it seems
Dec 15 22:33:13 <poco> sicu, i will try unstable then
Dec 15 22:33:32 <sicu> poco: i'm on testing, and it works fine =]
Dec 15 22:33:57 <sicu> poco: there are issues with unstable, so i would stick to testing
Dec 15 22:33:59 <poco> mdbus seems finding services
Dec 15 22:35:12 <poco> sicu, which version are you using?
Dec 15 22:36:02 <sicu> poco: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081215-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary and http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24-oe3+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r0-om-gta02.bin
Dec 15 22:36:49 <TeLLuS> How do I use the headset on om2008.9? Only the option spekerphone or gsmspeakerout.state makes sound come out of the headset. Then it will still use the mic in the handset.  Is it better in testing or any other state file that work?
Dec 15 22:37:39 <poco> sicu, is there a difference between the .jffs2 and the .jffs2.summray?
Dec 15 22:37:42 <poco> .summary
Dec 15 22:39:15 <poco> sicu, otherwise i am using the non-lite version of the rootfs
Dec 15 22:42:22 <sicu> poco: iirc, the .summary file speeds up the mount time of jffs2
Dec 15 22:42:46 <sicu> poco: so nothing that would solve the issues you're having
Dec 15 22:42:46 <poco> nice
Dec 15 22:43:36 <quatrox> poco, what is the issue?
Dec 15 22:44:55 <sicu> [081215-232341] <poco> http://rafb.net/p/fBRbjm89.html
Dec 15 22:45:01 <sicu> ^ quatrox
Dec 15 22:47:21 <poco> quatrox, the app seems unable to connect to dbus
Dec 15 22:47:43 <poco> ophonekitd i mean
Dec 15 22:48:05 <sicu> poco: shouldn't really be necessary, but i reflashed the lite image yesterday to get rid of that issue :/
Dec 15 22:48:13 <poco> wait
Dec 15 22:48:33 <poco> seems it is doing something else this time
Dec 15 22:48:51 <poco> sicu, the dbus/ophonekit issue?
Dec 15 22:49:01 <sicu> poco: yes :/
Dec 15 22:49:08 <sicu> poco: what's it doing now?
Dec 15 22:49:14 <poco> working :)
Dec 15 22:49:18 <sicu> hehe nice
Dec 15 22:49:22 <poco> at least it ask for a pin code
Dec 15 22:49:32 <poco> after a reboot and some DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&
Dec 15 22:50:06 <poco> and an ssh connect/disconnect/connect if it has anything to do with it
Dec 15 22:50:31 <poco> and i'm even receiving a sms!
Dec 15 22:51:01 <poco> and after charging a bit the battery also
Dec 15 22:51:04 <sicu> you could always turn on DEBUG in /etc/frameworkd.conf incase it happens again, so we get more useful debugging data
Dec 15 22:51:13 <sicu> poco: but great that you got it going =]
Dec 15 22:51:29 <poco> sicu, thanks i will note that debug process
Dec 15 22:51:43 <poco> sicu, yes thank you :) seems shr is very user friendly
Dec 15 22:52:17 <sicu> yes, i love it
Dec 15 22:52:31 <sicu> the SHR team is doing a great job
Dec 15 23:02:50 <poco> sicu, thanks you for your help btw
Dec 15 23:03:17 <Wonka> hrm. which scenario do i have to load to have pcm audio playback come out of the handset speaker? the one being at my ear when i hold the FR like a phone handset, not the one being at the left side...
Dec 15 23:04:01 <quatrox> Wonka, try one of the old state files
Dec 15 23:04:09 <Wonka> "old"?
Dec 15 23:04:31 <Wonka> i tried /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state from the debian packages
Dec 15 23:04:46 <Wonka> not handset-like
Dec 15 23:05:11 <sicu> poco: no problem =]
Dec 15 23:05:40 <quatrox> try on from the good old OM2007.2 (which was preloaded on your fr when you received t)
Dec 15 23:05:58 <quatrox> just copy the state files
Dec 15 23:06:56 <quatrox> ohh
Dec 15 23:07:03 <quatrox> Wonka: nm
Dec 15 23:07:10 <quatrox> I read wrong
Dec 15 23:07:13 <CIA-67> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07refs/tags/upstream-1.6 * r8445f339fad9 10gsm0710muxd/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog data/gsm0710muxd src/gsm0710muxd.c): upstream-1.6
Dec 15 23:08:33 <CIA-67> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07refs/tags/upstream-1.4 * r7515d2ce72f0 10gsm0710muxd/ (14 files in 3 dirs): upstream 1.4
Dec 16 00:43:35 <hozer> hrrrm
Dec 16 00:44:00 <hozer> I just managed to put something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that prevents E from starting up
Dec 16 00:44:35 <hozer> it's supposed to be in the background.. how can I get in and edit the file on the rootfs?
Dec 16 00:44:59 <hozer> is there a way to edit or move files from uboot?
Dec 16 00:45:06 <slaxxin> nano?
Dec 16 00:45:13 <slaxxin> oo
Dec 16 00:45:23 <hozer> I can't get vala-terminal
Dec 16 00:45:34 <hozer> I need the equivalent of 'init=/bin/sh'
Dec 16 00:45:41 <hozer> but that doesn't work so well on a device with no keyboard
Dec 16 00:45:56 <lindi-> just attach a keyboard
Dec 16 00:46:07 <hozer> is usb-hid built in?
Dec 16 00:46:14 <lindi-> i don't know what kernel you run
Dec 16 00:46:23 <hozer> shr
Dec 16 00:46:27 <hozer> shr-testing
Dec 16 00:46:33 <lindi-> and with what config
Dec 16 00:46:42 <hozer> heh
Dec 16 01:48:22 <slaxxer> over here
Dec 16 02:17:43 <slaxxin> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
Dec 16 02:18:15 <slaxxin> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
Dec 16 02:18:30 <slaxxin> ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200
Dec 16 02:18:51 <mwester-laptop> bash: iptables: command not found
Dec 16 02:19:17 <mwester-laptop> bash: sysctl: command not found
Dec 16 02:19:36 <mwester-laptop> bash: ifconfig: wrong window selected
Dec 16 02:19:41 <slaxxin> lol
Dec 16 02:22:55 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahhh, finally got back my internet... :)
Dec 16 02:26:31 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, so it would appear Mofi does not work if your network has no DHCP... :\
Dec 16 02:32:39 <ColdFyre> been slow in the world of new releases coming out..
Dec 16 02:32:41 <slaxxin> i dont know if mofi works if u do have dhcp
Dec 16 02:33:27 <Digital_Pioneer> I don't have DHCP, and mofi doesn't work. :)
Dec 16 02:38:12 <Dave> huh?
Dec 16 02:38:28 <Dave> what's wrong with iwconfig?
Dec 16 02:39:19 <Digital_Pioneer> That's what I use, but the keyboard in there isn't exactly massive. ;)
Dec 16 02:39:36 <slaxxin> we need mofi
Dec 16 02:39:43 <Dave> NO WE DON'T
Dec 16 02:40:05 <slaxxin> what do we need then dave/
Dec 16 02:40:19 <Dave> More flux capacitors?
Dec 16 02:40:22 <Digital_Pioneer> I don't need no mofi, I just prefer a GUI when I'm tangling with WPA.
Dec 16 02:40:27 <slaxxin> auto wifi
Dec 16 02:40:43 <Dave> autowifi beam out!
Dec 16 02:41:22 <slaxxin> a flux capacitor would work
Dec 16 02:43:01 <Dave> :]
Dec 16 02:54:49 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, so the settings program in SHR doesn't work. I click them, and I get a green flash, and that's it. Is this not yet implemented or something?
Dec 16 02:55:03 <slaxxin> mee to
Dec 16 02:55:14 <slaxxin> others dont happen to
Dec 16 02:55:33 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmmm.
Dec 16 02:55:48 <Digital_Pioneer> How about the GPS? How do I use it?
Dec 16 02:55:52 <Dave> :p
Dec 16 02:57:17 <slaxxin> it does work in shr
Dec 16 02:57:28 <Digital_Pioneer> Of coooourse it doesn't.
Dec 16 02:57:37 <Digital_Pioneer> Why not, dare I ask?
Dec 16 02:57:40 <slaxxin> sure it does
Dec 16 02:57:53 <Digital_Pioneer> Oh, my bad, I misread.
Dec 16 02:57:59 <Digital_Pioneer> Thought you said it didn't work.
Dec 16 02:58:12 <slaxxin> although it took almost 30 minuits yesterday
Dec 16 02:58:28 <Digital_Pioneer> So how do I use it? TangoGPS doesn't have any idea where I'm at.
Dec 16 02:58:34 <slaxxin> dave said that
Dec 16 02:59:03 <nkinkade> Digital_Pioneer: Does tangoGPS even see any satellites?
Dec 16 02:59:41 <Digital_Pioneer> nkinkade: No clue.
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