**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 20 02:59:57 2008 Dec 20 03:01:46 :D Dec 20 03:03:18 I take that as a no. Dec 20 03:04:04 * Digital_Pioneer goes to give FDOM a shot. Dec 20 03:07:36 i prefer shr but whatever floats your boat Dec 20 03:08:24 havent looked at zhone lately but last i checked it was getting pretty reliable Dec 20 03:08:59 Zhone runs on FR? Dec 20 03:09:04 It's not listed on the wiki. Dec 20 03:09:17 kd8ikt: And I actually use SHR, I'm just trying other distros right now. Dec 20 03:09:40 so youre saying http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone doesnt exist? Dec 20 03:10:56 if i'm reading the history page correctly its been around since june 1st 2008 Dec 20 03:11:24 kd8ikt: It's not listed among the distros... I guess it's not actually a distro though. Dec 20 03:33:54 Digital_Pioneer: I believe zhone is a phone stack, not a distro Dec 20 03:34:09 Appears to be. Dec 20 03:38:49 wifi removed from settings? Dec 20 03:39:34 which settings? Dec 20 03:40:58 literally, "settings: Dec 20 03:43:09 balh, so far 2008.12 has crashed on me twice Dec 20 03:44:55 boot time is *alot* better Dec 20 03:45:02 and it crashed because i didn't have my sim in :-/ Dec 20 03:45:03 ooops Dec 20 03:55:00 awesome. and i can't crash it by opening and closing the top menu quickly... Dec 20 03:55:01 lol Dec 20 04:13:37 no crash on 200812 Dec 20 04:14:34 screen went black when i unplugged the charger Dec 20 04:15:18 seems to charge while in suspend Dec 20 04:15:24 gps works Dec 20 04:15:42 wakes to recieve a phone call Dec 20 04:15:59 an phone hasnt failed yet Dec 20 04:16:44 i have no illume Dec 20 04:17:41 or wrench Dec 20 04:48:39 now thats a good looking caculator Dec 20 04:49:23 comic reader dont work Dec 20 04:49:38 liquid war works Dec 20 04:49:56 openvibe works Dec 20 04:55:09 oboy hackable1 .jffs2 images Dec 20 04:55:14 mmmmm yummy Dec 20 05:44:33 well that didnt take long Dec 20 05:44:56 it was a pretty good feat getting it to 90 megs Dec 20 05:46:24 i couldnt get ilumu to work on om latest Dec 20 05:49:05 so is hackable using the FSO framework? Dec 20 06:35:24 dont appear so but i may be wrong Dec 20 06:40:33 thats too bad, minimal debian + fso framework + OMgui seems like perfection Dec 20 06:45:05 i dont know how to tell Dec 20 06:45:16 an i wiped it already Dec 20 06:45:44 90 megs Dec 20 06:48:35 good morning Dec 20 07:16:52 slaxxer: i don't think it does, since it sounds like it's based on work from before the FSO was adopted for mainline Dec 20 07:17:17 for example does hackable feature zhone (not totally indicative i realize) Dec 20 07:37:04 how is 2008.12? Dec 20 08:39:20 hi Dec 20 08:45:21 hii Dec 20 08:47:17 so has anyone tried 2008.12? Dec 20 09:23:31 hm.. whats the quickest/best image to get gprs/web-browser working on a gta01 ? Dec 20 11:26:48 hey guys i've just flashed the 2008.12. how can i install mplayer? i can't find it anywhere Dec 20 11:30:45 isn't just there anybody who knows how to install mplayer? Dec 20 11:36:38 sblanzio: and the obvious thing to try, "opkg update && opkg install mplayer" ? Dec 20 11:39:28 mplayer was removed because of patent trolls Dec 20 11:42:17 how do i know if i ave a gta02v5 or 4? Dec 20 11:43:22 Bish: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Revision Dec 20 11:43:35 i do not have a running os on it right now :D Dec 20 11:44:41 aren't all the consumer devices 2v5? Dec 20 11:45:13 dns53: comminity patent trolls or industry patent trolls? Dec 20 11:45:38 Bish: look at the SD slot if it has a resistor soldered on Dec 20 11:47:27 Yashy: a what :D? Dec 20 11:47:38 viq: : Dec 20 12:13:44 Bish: "something" - see if the lines leading to contacts are clean, or is there "something" connecting two of them Dec 20 12:15:35 ahoi Dec 20 12:15:39 hey Dec 20 12:30:23 <^wd^> what is default ip in 2008.12 ? Dec 20 12:33:13 I think it hasn't changed, so it's 192.168.0.202 Dec 20 12:34:38 <^wd^> NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out Dec 20 12:34:40 <^wd^> :) Dec 20 12:34:53 <^wd^> reboot fr fix it :) Dec 20 12:46:24 viq I tried but i got: Collected errors: * Cannot find package mplayer. Dec 20 12:57:38 dns53: my device is A6 Dec 20 12:57:56 bought from koolu at october, iirc Dec 20 12:59:44 dns53, so is there a way to install mplayer? it's required by a lot of apps Dec 20 13:03:20 sblanzio: since it's not in the repositories, you'll have to build it yourself.. Dec 20 13:05:37 kk tnx Dec 20 13:38:30 sblanzio: you can get mplayer from SHR repo if its not in 2008.12 Dec 20 13:39:19 got disconnected, so not sure if you got a better answer Dec 20 13:39:53 is a mailing list system administrator present? Dec 20 13:41:00 Is there any easy way to programmatically raise the keyboard in Illume, with the AUX button perhaps? Dec 20 13:42:04 look at what the current launcher does Dec 20 13:44:22 quatrox: I wasn't sure where to begin looking. I don't know the internals of Illume at all. Dec 20 13:45:24 I guess I can just try to plow through /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume and see what I find. Dec 20 13:57:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra06be62ed80d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Dec 20 13:57:46 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: move numberToPhonebookTuple from gsm.const into modems.abstract.modem Dec 20 13:57:46 freesmartphone.org: We need to be able to override it per-modem (Freescale Neptune *cough*) Dec 20 13:59:40 hello! I have just flashed my openmoko with the 2008.12 update, and would like to configure the keyboard. Could someone point me in the right direction for information regarding this? Is the default keyboard matchbox? Dec 20 14:00:31 matchbox? holy fuck? Dec 20 14:00:33 read the wiki Dec 20 14:05:55 allrighty then. thank you for your help! Dec 20 14:08:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rac11349cdcaa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/modem.py freescale_neptune/modem.py): Dec 20 14:08:09 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] override numberToPhonebookTuple Dec 20 14:08:09 freesmartphone.org: Storing international numbers works on this modem now. Dec 20 15:18:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1a4abcb52a44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [ABSTRACT] strip " in response to +CPIN since some modems return this as a string Dec 20 15:18:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc0d3cebcd788 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Dec 20 15:18:56 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] send the magic SIM initialization commands, Dec 20 15:18:56 freesmartphone.org: so that the GSM 07.07 commands for reading the SMS message book work ootb. Dec 20 15:18:57 freesmartphone.org: Override one channel's modemStateSimUnlocked() as well to send the mandatory Dec 20 15:18:59 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ReadyStatus( True ) on time. Dec 20 15:32:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rebfe002459f0 10/docs/ogsmd/freescale_neptune/ (cfun.sample modem): document some more freescale neptune quirks Dec 20 15:34:17 Pio, I use fso4 and gprson.sh and gprsoff.sh scripts from the wiki. Works great Dec 20 15:35:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r15238037169d 10/docs/ogsmd/freescale_neptune/modem: freescale neptune: more quirks Dec 20 16:38:55 INTERBUTTT AT LAAAAAAAAAAST Dec 20 16:39:21 marine cable fixed :-D Dec 20 16:42:03 * SpeedEvil buys CVirus satellite phone for backup. Dec 20 16:43:12 SpeedEvil: actually egypt is on a satellite backup link right now Dec 20 16:43:23 connection is too crappy Dec 20 16:44:57 What, is there one internet connection into Egypt?? Dec 20 16:46:35 I think there are two .. because the outage was of 80% Dec 20 16:46:55 besides, there's another one under construction ... to be finished in 9 months Dec 20 16:47:12 we're a 3rd world developing country .. you know :-) Dec 20 16:48:12 www.heise.de/mobile has mentioned FR once more ;-) Dec 20 16:50:56 CVirus: sometimes it seems .tw is all the same. At least when it comes to international connectivity Dec 20 16:52:58 yesterday I tried to dl a 107M file from one of our Germany-located servers - - ETA: 15h :-( Dec 20 16:53:33 Get someone to fly out with a USB drive. Dec 20 16:53:54 Lol - yeah Dec 20 16:54:07 hehe Dec 20 16:54:18 now I go back home, next to the server Dec 20 16:54:19 What is PMU ? Dec 20 16:54:32 Never underestimate the bandwidth of a colon full of microSDs in condoms on a 747. Dec 20 16:54:33 power management unit Dec 20 16:54:35 Power Management Dec 20 16:54:42 Unit? Dec 20 16:54:42 thanks Dec 20 17:02:33 hi, i can't switch to illume keyboard in 2008.12 with the description in the wiki, i dont even get a qwery button. what has changed? Dec 20 17:27:26 does anyone know how I can store phone numbers in SHR? Dec 20 17:28:24 'Contacts' does not save anything Dec 20 17:29:08 how to fix "ValueError: bad marshal data" when starting frameworkd Dec 20 17:29:10 ? Dec 20 17:30:11 Kung Fu? Dec 20 17:30:49 at least it makes the error go away Dec 20 17:30:53 no I tried Kungfu but it does not help ;) Dec 20 17:31:01 ohh Dec 20 17:37:39 mh, could anyone lead me the way to the german OM IRC chan, I think I read somthing about it's existance, but I'm not able to find it again ... anyone? Dec 20 17:38:34 It has not to be an official channel I'm just stuck in a translation Dec 20 17:38:40 I vaguely recall #openmoko-de Dec 20 17:38:43 Klischeepunk: it was something like neo1973-de or some such Dec 20 17:39:20 well fail on both ... nevermind but thanks :) Dec 20 17:43:24 ah Dec 20 17:43:29 neo1973-germany i think Dec 20 17:43:38 with a sinlge or double # Dec 20 17:45:31 the have a website with a wiki at http://www.neo1973-germany.de/ Dec 20 17:45:38 damn elitists :) Dec 20 17:46:33 thanks a lot :) Dec 20 17:48:11 well but the page seems broken since I'm not getting a reply - that much for the elitists Dec 20 17:49:07 :p Dec 20 17:49:28 Muhaha Dec 20 17:52:05 Klischeepunk: freeyourphone.de ? Dec 20 17:53:09 small but vivid Dec 20 17:54:10 less is more Dec 20 18:00:26 hey all, i was wondering.... can openmoko switch to the Tegra SoC? :D Dec 20 18:01:17 Tegra? Dec 20 18:02:07 Probably too high power use Dec 20 18:02:10 nVidia Tegra...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXYshhuJzh4&feature=PlayList&p=3094AF805137BBAE&index=0&playnext=1 Dec 20 18:02:44 I can't see anything giving power consumption numbers. Dec 20 18:03:46 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Tegra,5516.html Dec 20 18:03:51 As to if they can switch - sure - if you sponsor it. Dec 20 18:04:18 "This version is a sub-1 watt part and is rated at a power consumption of 0.6-1 watts. Considering the fact that this chip is capable of running HD video decoding and encoding (720p only), the power consumption rating is impressive." :) Dec 20 18:04:23 i think that was mentioned on the community list a while ago Dec 20 18:05:26 from what i've read so far, microsoft powered devices using the tegra chip gonna start poping up after barcelona conference 2009... Dec 20 18:05:29 Then there is the issue of can I order 1 tegra chip now Dec 20 18:05:38 Can I order 1000, for a prototype run, ... Dec 20 18:06:01 http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_wtb.html Dec 20 18:06:02 Many of these sort of chips are basically unavailable. Dec 20 18:06:19 seems nvidia intends for it to be sold as a chip... Dec 20 18:06:30 Well... yes, of course they are. Dec 20 18:06:49 That doesn't mean they are interested in tiddly OEMs that are only going to buy a few thousand. Dec 20 18:07:26 true, i dont really know how this whole world works, im just wondering if its possible to suggest it to the om ppl Dec 20 18:07:29 Many vendors will actively discourage small orders. (>100000) Dec 20 18:07:38 ft: basically, I doubt it. Dec 20 18:08:05 f4l3_: it would push GTA03 out even further into the future. Dec 20 18:08:38 gta03 isnt such an amazing boost to hardware to worry about it being avalible further into the future... Dec 20 18:08:52 GTA03 is perhaps functional hardware. Dec 20 18:09:03 It's also a very significant boost over current hardware. Dec 20 18:09:49 SpeedEvil: don't exaggerate your expectations ;-) Dec 20 18:09:54 significant? didnt seem like that to me last time i've read it Dec 20 18:10:11 DocScrutinizer2: significant as in it's lost the glamo, and gained an internal accellerator. Dec 20 18:10:24 yup Dec 20 18:10:33 DocScrutinizer2: and hte chip has gotten a bit faster. Dec 20 18:10:46 DocScrutinizer2: I'm not saying it's a 14GHz 16 core device :) Dec 20 18:10:48 that can play 640x480 h264 movies at what speed? (in fps) Dec 20 18:10:50 for *now* *that* seems t be correct Dec 20 18:11:19 f4l3_: The question is - does it really matter if it plays h.264? Dec 20 18:11:33 * mwester really *wants* to see a movie on a tiny cellphone screen, rather than on his 52" tv. :P Dec 20 18:11:44 640*480 video even is really, really overkill on a 2.8" screen Dec 20 18:11:45 not h.264, tough it could help, but any 640x480 video, it does matter Dec 20 18:12:19 wouldn't it be cool to have svideo out on GTA03? Dec 20 18:12:27 i've watched movies on a screen less than half the size of the FR's before - it was surprisingly civilised (and just what i needed for a long boring train journey with many delays) Dec 20 18:12:29 DocScrutinizer, it would :) Dec 20 18:12:45 so go suggest it, demand it Dec 20 18:12:56 DocScrutinizer2: sure. I'd like the headset jack to be USB/composite/audio myself. Dec 20 18:12:59 no need if it cant play any descent rez movies anyway... Dec 20 18:13:21 DocScrutinizer2: the USB connector sucks so bad for docking. Dec 20 18:13:28 F4t: it schould be able Dec 20 18:13:32 should Dec 20 18:13:59 DocScrutinizer, GTA02 cant play anything larger then 320x240... can you imagine your tv at that resolution? :) Dec 20 18:14:04 SpeedEvil: ? Dec 20 18:14:19 ok, I got it ;) Dec 20 18:14:21 f4l3_: Oh Dec 20 18:14:35 f4l3_: I diddn't imagine f4 would be common. :/ Dec 20 18:14:40 lol, sorry my name is so similar... Dec 20 18:14:46 SpeedEvil: me neither ;) Dec 20 18:15:56 As to going for a new SoC. Dec 20 18:15:59 F4t: I imagine a 6410 being able to do 640*480 at a decent framerate Dec 20 18:16:13 It would basically be throwing away _all_ the work that's been done on GTA03 so far. Dec 20 18:16:17 And starting again. Dec 20 18:16:32 And 4 months down the line, there is going to be another 'Ooooh' chip available. Dec 20 18:16:42 SpeedEvil: nah, doesn't matter. We did this a couple of times now ;-) Dec 20 18:17:19 SpeedEvil, it would be great if they used any oooh chip... i cant believe playing 640x480 at descent framerate (without codec decoding) is considered descent nowadays... Dec 20 18:17:31 * SpeedEvil wants GTA03 without having to go into cryogenic suspension for it. Dec 20 18:17:38 f4l3_: why? Dec 20 18:17:47 F4t: it's a phone Dec 20 18:18:01 F4t: It has a display that is going to be much smaller than 4" Dec 20 18:18:25 SpeedEvil: :-D Dec 20 18:18:28 F4t: this is its fundamental role. It's not a media console, or a supercomputer. Dec 20 18:18:28 it has a usb host connector, which makes it a bit more then a phone... Dec 20 18:19:04 im pretty sure a phone doesnt NEED a usb host connection, or am i wrong? Dec 20 18:19:29 F4t: No, it doesn't. But the USB host was (almost) free. Dec 20 18:19:42 F4t: the price was perhaps $1.5 in parts. Dec 20 18:20:03 SpeedEvil: nnnnnnnot exactly ;-) Dec 20 18:20:28 DocScrutinizer2: not? Hmm. 2.5W converter might be a bit more than that I suppose. Dec 20 18:20:40 Not hugely more, or am I missing something. Dec 20 18:21:00 nope Dec 20 18:21:13 except design effort maybe Dec 20 18:21:32 Well - yes, of course, I carefully said 'in parts'. Dec 20 18:21:39 Everything else is icky to cost. Dec 20 18:21:45 yup Dec 20 18:22:17 F4t: we won't change CPU in next future I'd guess Dec 20 18:22:17 I can't find a price for the tegra chip, so I don't know if it's more expensive or not. Dec 20 18:22:35 I suspect it would be. Dec 20 18:22:35 Anyway, i just think the tegra soc can solve some space/power consumption problems, and deliver a punch... Dec 20 18:23:01 F4t: have you done any electronics design work? Dec 20 18:23:06 F4t: what's wrong with space/power of S3C6410? Dec 20 18:23:21 F4t: have you compared the datasheets of the devices? Dec 20 18:23:32 DocScrutinizer, its missing a gfx accelerator isnt it? Dec 20 18:23:40 F4t: advertisments are fundamentally advertisments. They lie lots. Dec 20 18:23:55 SpeedEvil: that's the answer to your question Dec 20 18:24:45 no i havent compared, and no i dont really understand electronics, was just thinking of the idea... Dec 20 18:24:51 seems like its not really practical... Dec 20 18:25:30 AFAIK there actually IS some gfx-acc in 6410 Dec 20 18:25:35 OM has - regrettably - a _tiny_ dev budget, compared to some of the companies that will be targeting this device. Dec 20 18:25:43 DocScrutinizer2: IIRC it's 2D+some 3D Dec 20 18:25:51 yup Dec 20 18:25:53 (the tegra device) Dec 20 18:26:39 and sourceability is a quite different story Dec 20 18:26:55 * SpeedEvil has fired off an email to nvidia, who knows. Dec 20 18:27:37 SpeedEvil, thanks... :) Dec 20 18:27:39 SpeedEvil: no use in that. I won't continue work on OM when we change the CPU another time ;-) Dec 20 18:28:19 maybe the nvidia guys would like to help out for some "we like opensource" reason? Dec 20 18:29:06 F4t: help out on what? starting over from scratch, with an architecture nobody in OM ever worked on? Dec 20 18:29:15 DocScrutinizer2: but it's ARM! Dec 20 18:29:17 DocScrutinizer2: :) Dec 20 18:29:26 :) Dec 20 18:29:30 bah, everything is "ARM" Dec 20 18:29:51 intel isnt arm, is it? Dec 20 18:29:59 OM should use the STM32. It's only $4, and has all of 20K RAM. Dec 20 18:30:10 20K RAM! who could imagine needing more than that. Dec 20 18:30:20 lol Dec 20 18:30:24 I don't care if it's arm, it's definitely a different family of SoC Dec 20 18:30:31 very Dec 20 18:30:40 any android expert here? Dec 20 18:30:49 Still the other extreme ("Keep the current badly broken stuff because at least we know how badly horribly broken it is") is bad, too --- the PMU chip, for example. The lack of the MCU is another. Dec 20 18:31:22 oh, mwester, whats ur opinion on the tegra soc? Dec 20 18:31:45 immature Dec 20 18:32:01 * DocScrutinizer waits for mwester to fork his own hw-branch Dec 20 18:32:03 'ning all Dec 20 18:32:13 let the vendors with 500,000 units work the bugs out of the tegra soc. Dec 20 18:32:45 ill grow old by then... :-/ Dec 20 18:33:05 how can I create desktop launchers in SHR? Dec 20 18:33:12 DocScrutinizer: why must everything be a fork? The problem is that Om has some management (and a kernel dev) that refuse to listen. Frankly, lately I've been laughing my *** off as I note all the times I end up being right after Andy goes off on one of his tears. Dec 20 18:33:24 * SpeedEvil passes f4t a trouser rolling machine. Dec 20 18:33:50 mwester: agree ;-D Dec 20 18:34:19 symlinks in ~/.e/e/appshadow/ is automatically generated, and if I create them manually, they get deleted Dec 20 18:34:24 * F4t thanks SpeedEvil Dec 20 18:34:27 hahaha Dec 20 18:34:33 But it is what it is, I guess, so we'll make the best of it. I just need to complain about it once in a while. :P Dec 20 18:35:08 mwester: go ahead. So I don't need to do ;-) Dec 20 18:35:37 Well, you have to work more closely with Om, but I cannot imagine how frustrating that must be sometimes. Dec 20 18:35:51 don't ask Dec 20 18:36:22 ;) Some day, though, I'd like to hear the story of whatever it was that triggered your quiz (RC) yesterday! :D Dec 20 18:36:42 :P Dec 20 18:37:09 What's going on now? Dec 20 18:37:10 * mwester thinks someone should write a book about Openmoko some day. Dec 20 18:37:31 mwester: why not start now Dec 20 18:37:49 just collect all wiki pages Dec 20 18:38:01 and mails Dec 20 18:38:09 and logs from irc Dec 20 18:38:13 and publish it Dec 20 18:38:15 mwester probably meant another type of book Dec 20 18:38:18 quatrox: No, not the stuff in the wiki. Kinda like "The Soul of a New Machine" book. Dec 20 18:38:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine Dec 20 18:39:05 ahh... Dec 20 18:39:19 or "SMS, Cries and smedia spec sheets" Dec 20 18:39:33 mwester: good idea -- i've been thinking about rereading it recently -- and openmoko version would be great :) Dec 20 18:39:39 And Glamo NDAs Dec 20 18:39:44 I loved that book... Dec 20 18:39:45 * quatrox discovered it is late and need to find xmas presents Dec 20 18:39:54 Is the hardware in FR that broke though? Dec 20 18:39:59 Quadduc: have you looked down the back of the sofa? Dec 20 18:40:00 I never saw that movie Tig| (Sex, Lies and Videotapes) Dec 20 18:40:03 FxChiP: most isn't Dec 20 18:40:19 FxChiP: it could be a functional phone apart from two moderately minor issues Dec 20 18:40:27 FxChiP: GSM buzz, and echo Dec 20 18:40:30 "moderately minor?" Dec 20 18:40:33 amarsh04, not got around to it here but it s a famous title and I needed to parody something :)# Dec 20 18:40:41 SpeedEvil, battery life? Dec 20 18:40:41 Wait -- the power isn't the fault of hardware? Dec 20 18:40:45 FxChiP: the rest can all be sorted in softwarey muhc. Dec 20 18:40:54 battery life is almost entirely software Dec 20 18:40:57 are there functional phones that use the gsm chip that fr does? Dec 20 18:41:06 90% of the poower managment stuff is unimplemented Dec 20 18:41:09 Tig| - it was quite a low budge movie Dec 20 18:41:19 Does anyone know *how* to implement the power management stuf thoug Dec 20 18:41:22 though* Dec 20 18:41:23 amarsh04: that's a very good question, and one I've wondered from time to time as well! Dec 20 18:41:28 s/budge/budget/ Dec 20 18:41:28 amarsh04 meant: Tig| - it was quite a low budget movie Dec 20 18:41:35 amarsh04, low budget movie for a low budget phone :) Dec 20 18:41:53 FxChiP: There is much room for experimentation, but yes, the concepts are well understood. Dec 20 18:42:06 FxChiP: the implementation is a real tough job, though. Dec 20 18:42:14 mmm Dec 20 18:42:19 mwester: sounds like the book is already there. Dec 20 18:42:27 And it's not impossible there may be hardware bugs lurking. Dec 20 18:42:29 I didn't mean the how as in how one would go about it, I mean the how as in how one would get the hardware in on it Dec 20 18:42:37 FxChiP: and its complicated immensely by the fact that Om wants to push the changes into the mainstream kernel. Dec 20 18:42:42 FxChiP: the software drives the hardware Dec 20 18:43:17 FxChiP: the fundamental concept is to power off or slow-clock as much hardware as you can at any given time. The challenges involve managing that... Dec 20 18:43:18 FxChiP: consider it as a entry level car. Dec 20 18:43:48 mwester, surely someone must have used the gsm chip otherwise why is it about, I mean unless it was a test run there must have been a big product run to get the low volume stock Dec 20 18:43:52 FxChiP: If you give this car to David Coulthard, then he's going to drive it round a circuit a hell of a lot faster than an untrained 8 year old. Dec 20 18:43:59 FxChiP: the car is exactly the same. Dec 20 18:45:20 I hated the closed aspect of dial-up modem development - back in the fidonet days those of us who ran bbs's did free interoperability tests for modem manufacturers Dec 20 18:45:23 haha Dec 20 18:46:17 * amarsh04 also found out that his telco had non-compliant network echo cancellors. Fortunately the telco replaced them with compliant echo cancellors Dec 20 18:46:37 haha Dec 20 18:47:22 in my telco's case they spent over a million dollars replacing the non-compliant echo cancellors Dec 20 18:47:55 we take echo cancellation for granted these days except when it doesn't work Dec 20 18:48:48 * FxChiP nods Dec 20 18:48:54 I like echos Dec 20 18:48:56 Mwahaha Dec 20 18:48:56 amarsh04: yup, then they are nagging OM why our phone is such a crap Dec 20 18:49:53 hmmm, if only I there was a audio in on my FR, could use the GSM chip as a guitar FX gismo :) Dec 20 18:49:58 * mwester will happily settle for bluetooth headset support that works well, which will solve both echo and buzz problems at the same time. Dec 20 18:50:02 * amarsh04 remembers some free echo cancellation software used by a free telephony project Dec 20 18:51:01 mwester: with my last day in TPE I consider buzz and echo as solved issues Dec 20 18:51:18 * Tig| still likes his FR and thinks it has probably provided him with his moneys worth of entertainment time :) I just wish I could remember where I have left it :( Dec 20 18:51:22 DocScrutinizer2: for existing hardware? Dec 20 18:51:32 DocScrutinizer2: or that you won't have to deal with them. Dec 20 18:51:35 even for existing hw - yes Dec 20 18:51:36 DocScrutinizer- awesome! Dec 20 18:51:43 mods? Dec 20 18:52:54 (existing hw) It's just a question of marketing and service now. no more technical problem Dec 20 18:53:03 super DocScrutinizer2 Dec 20 18:53:07 DocScrutinizer i mean Dec 20 18:53:15 thanks for all the hard work Dec 20 18:53:24 :) Dec 20 18:53:29 welcome, that's my job Dec 20 18:53:44 I promised to you, didn't I Dec 20 18:54:15 but still it's great news to hear :) Dec 20 18:54:15 DocScrutinizer, woot! thanks! Dec 20 18:54:27 well, I'm really sorry but the "no bass on hs" issue still unsolved Dec 20 18:54:51 ok, we got more bass on A8 Dec 20 18:54:51 thought it was also possible to solder a cap and fix it, am i mistaken? Dec 20 18:54:55 Use the phone speaker as a subwoofer. Dec 20 18:55:02 Zorkman: right Dec 20 18:55:11 SpeedEvil: :-D Dec 20 18:55:24 01 has the same bass problem? Dec 20 18:55:25 DocScrutinizer: will that cap fix make it sound like an A8? Dec 20 18:55:52 http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html <-- Thoughts? (Android Dev Phone 1) Dec 20 18:55:58 this end user is less concerned with music playback bass at the moment :) Dec 20 18:56:05 I'd suggest you fix it decent and use a 47uF or even 100uF Dec 20 18:56:19 not the 4.7uF we were able to lace to A8 Dec 20 18:56:26 Place Dec 20 18:57:03 what would give the best result? 100uF or even more? Dec 20 18:57:48 FxChiP, erm they want me to pay $25 as a dev fee before I can look at more detailed phone specs? Dec 20 18:57:49 Zorkman: 100uF really is enough I'd say. gets you sth like 20Hz on a usual hp Dec 20 18:58:32 true Dec 20 18:59:46 Zorkman: the real problem is we got no more volume free inside the can, toplace decent caps in there Dec 20 18:59:48 ok, thanks DocScrutinizer Dec 20 19:00:25 but prrobably after buzz now bass is my next project ;-) Dec 20 19:01:00 So buzz was configurable out with mixer settings? Dec 20 19:01:05 Or something more exotic? Dec 20 19:01:35 SpeedEvil: I always told there'S no way to eliminate buzz via mixer settings Dec 20 19:01:45 Yes, you did. Dec 20 19:02:38 We take the ripple off MICBIAS with a big C for a5/6/7, and we have some beads for A8 Dec 20 19:02:54 Oh - so it's hardware mod Dec 20 19:03:01 yup Dec 20 19:03:03 right. Dec 20 19:06:57 downloads.freesmartphone.org is down, does anyone know who is responsible? or perhaps knows how to contact rod whitby? according to the wiki he maintains the images there... Dec 20 19:08:13 quatrox: Did you get the answer about adding application to desktop from someone already? (if not, I can provide the answer :) Dec 20 19:12:17 Hey, how do I get the IMEI number for my FR? Dec 20 19:12:29 It's under the battery isn't it? Dec 20 19:12:54 IDK. :) Dec 20 19:13:07 !seen morphis Dec 20 19:13:08 I found 5 matches to your query (sorted): morphis_ morphis morphis|feiern morphis|afk morphis|essen. morphis_ (n=morphis@p54898097.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 20 hours, 15 minutes ago stating (Client Quit). Dec 20 19:17:38 Digital_Pioneer: *#06# Dec 20 19:17:41 ;-) Dec 20 19:17:54 DocScrutinizer: That's what they told me, but when I used it, dialer crashed. Dec 20 19:18:11 lol Dec 20 19:18:28 I'm sure I did something stupid, but please, tell me what it was. :P Dec 20 19:18:46 no idea. use the wrong dialer? Dec 20 19:19:09 use it now, instead of waiting another year? ;-) Dec 20 19:19:25 the modem can do it Dec 20 19:19:55 so when the dialer crashed, I'd file a bug against this particuar dialer Dec 20 19:22:05 DocScrutinizer: Openmoko-dialer? Dec 20 19:22:55 azaghal: I don't think so Dec 20 19:25:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raf4a94a2016e 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: [QUALCOMM MSM] new modem abstraction based on singleline Dec 20 19:29:29 quatrox: Add a .desktop entry in ~/.local/share/applications Dec 20 19:29:53 DocScrutinizer: According to term output, the resource is not enabled. Is this because the phone has no SIM?... Dec 20 19:30:51 quatrox: In /usr/share/applications you can see some samples on how the .desktop files look like :) Dec 20 19:31:00 How can I dial *#06# if the dialer crashes with it? :P Is there a CLI dialer I can use? (I already got the IMEI from beneath the battery, but still want to know how to dial for it) Dec 20 19:31:01 azaghal: not appshadow? Dec 20 19:31:04 Nope Dec 20 19:31:24 I've spent some time playing with the same thing, so in the end I put them there :) Dec 20 19:31:45 azaghal: thanks:) Dec 20 19:31:48 In fact, you'll notice that most .desktop entries from /usr/share/applications appear on the desktop ;) Dec 20 19:31:50