**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 27 02:59:57 2008
Dec 27 03:19:14 <Slaxxer> wassup
Dec 27 03:19:35 <Slaxxer> qtx ready for another release   i suppose
Dec 27 03:20:11 <Slaxxer> 2008.12 works alot better
Dec 27 03:20:49 <Slaxxer> fdom  may give us another FDOM 
Dec 27 03:23:15 <Slaxxer> The invention of bread and beer has been argued to be responsible for humanity's ability to develop technology and build civilization.
Dec 27 03:24:17 <amarsh04> mentioning "bread and beer" conjure's up the scene in the movie "Babette's Feast" where the old men are fed a porridge of stale bread mixed with beer
Dec 27 03:25:48 <amarsh04> back in a few, installing kernel 2.6.28 on my desktop machine
Dec 27 03:44:45 <Slaxxer> lpotter    howdy
Dec 27 03:44:58 <Slaxxer> any news?
Dec 27 03:55:41 <Slaxxer> guess not
Dec 27 03:56:41 <IguanaNed> Hey Slaxxer
Dec 27 03:56:47 <Slaxxer> yea
Dec 27 03:57:07 <IguanaNed> What ditro are you using?
Dec 27 03:57:10 <IguanaNed> * distro
Dec 27 03:57:13 <Slaxxer>  2008.12
Dec 27 03:57:40 <Slaxxer> currently
Dec 27 03:57:43 <IguanaNed> I just loaded that lat night.. Is there no terminal app by default?
Dec 27 03:57:55 <Slaxxer> nope
Dec 27 03:58:34 <Slaxxer> ssh in then opkg install it
Dec 27 03:58:59 <Slaxxer> uno
Dec 27 04:02:22 <Slaxxer> i installed a few things with no problem
Dec 27 04:02:39 <Slaxxer> openmocow wont moo 
Dec 27 04:02:57 <Slaxxer> lololol
Dec 27 04:02:57 <Slaxxer> DAMMIT MAN
Dec 27 04:03:16 <ColdFyre> milk it
Dec 27 04:03:31 <Slaxxer> ooooommmMMMMMMMOOOOOO
Dec 27 04:04:03 <IguanaNed> lol is that what that app is for?
Dec 27 04:04:17 <Slaxxer> i think theres too much milking going on already
Dec 27 04:05:00 <Slaxxer>  tests sound   without actually having to work at it
Dec 27 04:09:24 <Slaxxer> for lack of an shr image    makes me wonder whats up
Dec 27 04:20:47 <Slaxxer> whats the best way to get the black babkground full keyboard on 2008,12
Dec 27 04:36:27 <IguanaNed> I have u-boot 1.3.2 any reason to upgrade it?
Dec 27 04:38:44 <mwester> probably not
Dec 27 04:57:58 <ColdFyre> dumb question, where can i find opkg packages for 2008.12?
Dec 27 05:29:18 <ColdFyre> better yet, what is the gui for configuring gprs?
Dec 27 05:34:12 <Slaxxer> opkg,org?
Dec 27 06:15:29 <ColdFyre> ya
Dec 27 06:15:39 <ColdFyre> when i run gprson, i get Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildSignaled: Process /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper received signal 4
Dec 27 06:29:56 <ColdFyre> god damnit, stuff is segfaulting now
Dec 27 06:32:47 <Slaxxer> well stopit]
Dec 27 06:37:52 <ColdFyre> don't know what the problem is, tangogps now segfaults along with a few toher things
Dec 27 06:40:11 <ColdFyre> screw it, reflash time, too broken
Dec 27 08:05:18 * devdas notes that OM 008.12 has gone down one bar in ~ 30 minutes
Dec 27 08:05:26 <devdas> and the phone gets _hot_
Dec 27 09:01:17 <undrwater> welcome
Dec 27 09:23:24 <Hopscotch> good morning
Dec 27 09:25:04 <openmoko> Hi
Dec 27 10:06:17 <booxter> hello guys! what's with svn? I can't update from it now:
Dec 27 10:06:19 <booxter> svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/opkg': could not connect to server (http://svn.openmoko.org)
Dec 27 11:10:09 <PBeck> ahoi
Dec 27 13:33:02 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r82c7c6a4d374 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): ogmsd: Refactor Modem.dataOptions() into "pppd-configuration" attribute in modem data storage.
Dec 27 13:39:05 <yoyo> hi
Dec 27 13:48:28 <Mortak> hi all
Dec 27 13:53:35 <Mortak> does anyone know how to fix the "An error ocurred, return value: -49936." opkg error? cant find anything about it, and i`m unable to install stuff
Dec 27 13:54:20 <jonkristian> hm
Dec 27 13:54:36 <jonkristian> isn't that when a package doesn't exists?
Dec 27 13:54:53 <Mortak> nope, even with existing packages
Dec 27 13:55:07 <jonkristian> hm
Dec 27 13:55:29 <jonkristian> did you kill package daemon?
Dec 27 13:55:34 <jonkristian> or whatever it's called
Dec 27 13:55:50 <Mortak> yes :(
Dec 27 13:55:57 <jonkristian> hm
Dec 27 13:55:59 <jonkristian> strange
Dec 27 13:56:01 <jonkristian> Not sure then
Dec 27 13:56:35 <Mortak> nooo!!!
Dec 27 13:56:47 <Mortak> :( dont want to reflash
Dec 27 13:57:08 <mirko-paroli> hi mortak
Dec 27 13:57:26 <mirko-paroli> if the daemon is only switched off you don#t need to flash
Dec 27 13:57:31 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: hi
Dec 27 13:57:34 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7d7d2f8b9ccd 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
Dec 27 13:57:34 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] Add TI-Calypso specific configuration option "ti_calypso_dsp_mode" to configure
Dec 27 13:57:34 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: DSP audio enhancements. Documentation for this option has been added to the sample configuration file.
Dec 27 13:57:34 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: (Some lowlevel details can be found in framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py)
Dec 27 13:57:38 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO ticket #274 and #253.
Dec 27 13:57:46 <mirko-paroli> can you run a opkg update ?
Dec 27 13:58:10 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: yes i can ;)
Dec 27 13:58:45 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: it looks normal (even the 404' s for the hashes)
Dec 27 13:58:54 <Mortak> or sigs
Dec 27 13:58:59 <mirko-paroli> is there still space on your hd ?
Dec 27 13:59:10 <Mortak> yes
Dec 27 13:59:17 <mirko-paroli> hmm
Dec 27 13:59:26 <Mortak> nowhere morre than 37%
Dec 27 13:59:32 <mirko-paroli> a) if you can run an update than the daemon is still there
Dec 27 13:59:35 <mirko-paroli> and running
Dec 27 13:59:56 <mirko-paroli> and you tried to install a package where you know the exact name?
Dec 27 14:00:05 <mirko-paroli> I usually misspell or sth to get those 5 digit errors
Dec 27 14:00:16 <Mortak> yes, like "classpath"
Dec 27 14:02:26 <mirko-paroli> hmm strange
Dec 27 14:02:38 <mirko-paroli> I assume a reboot didn't help
Dec 27 14:02:41 <Mortak> yeah :)
Dec 27 14:02:53 <Mortak> nope, didnt help
Dec 27 14:02:55 <mirko-paroli> it doesn't look like the usual 'can't find the package'
Dec 27 14:03:10 <Mortak> even the return value doesnt exist
Dec 27 14:04:07 <mirko-paroli> what was the last thing you did?
Dec 27 14:04:17 <mirko-paroli> an upgrade ?
Dec 27 14:04:59 <Mortak> i think so
Dec 27 14:05:26 <mirko-paroli> and the OM trac is offline
Dec 27 14:05:41 <mirko-paroli> one sec I'll check a mailinlgist
Dec 27 14:05:54 <Mortak> for a bugreport?
Dec 27 14:06:05 <mirko-paroli> yapp
Dec 27 14:06:29 <Mortak> i didnt found one, onli a french thread wich i dont understand :)
Dec 27 14:07:55 <Mortak> wow, my english is bad today :) (ignore my typos :) )
Dec 27 14:08:00 <mirko-paroli> which distro do you use, just out of curiousity
Dec 27 14:08:05 <mirko-paroli> no worries
Dec 27 14:08:16 <mirko-paroli> mine has gone down the drain the past couple of weeks
Dec 27 14:08:19 <Mortak> its a shr
Dec 27 14:09:56 <mirko-paroli> booting my neo now
Dec 27 14:09:58 <mirko-paroli> is shr nice?
Dec 27 14:10:00 <mirko-paroli> never tried it
Dec 27 14:10:33 <Mortak> oh yeah, i love it, i use it as a dayli phone atm
Dec 27 14:10:40 <Mortak> daily
Dec 27 14:10:45 <Mortak> whatever :)
Dec 27 14:11:32 <Mortak> hopefully my gprs flat card arrives today, then it rocks more 
Dec 27 14:11:54 <mirko-paroli> nice
Dec 27 14:12:05 <mirko-paroli> the FR as the daily phone, very, very nice
Dec 27 14:12:47 <lindi-> i use fr daily too. buzz is the only really problematic issue
Dec 27 14:13:12 <Mortak> phoning works flawlessly, suspend and resume is a littlebit slower than on the fdom distribution, but has working sound after resuming
Dec 27 14:13:48 <Mortak> even the alarm clock works ;) (but i set up a second alar mclock, just in case)
Dec 27 14:13:55 <Mortak> hrhr
Dec 27 14:13:58 <mirko-paroli> hrhr
Dec 27 14:14:43 <Mortak> i like the last.fm client, even my girlfriend likes it
Dec 27 14:15:15 <Mortak> but overall she hates me for buying the fr
Dec 27 14:15:36 <mirko-paroli> coz you got less time for/with her?
Dec 27 14:15:46 <Mortak> yeah :)
Dec 27 14:16:03 <Mortak> im always too late ;)
Dec 27 14:16:05 <kW> Hello, does anybody know why when building FSO, it fails with "grep: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la: No such file or directory"?
Dec 27 14:16:15 <lindi-> if i could only get my bt headset work i'd have a workaround for buzz
Dec 27 14:16:18 <Mortak> "sorry baby, had to reflash it again ;)"
Dec 27 14:16:27 <kW> I have "/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.a" and "/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so" but not "/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la" on my system.
Dec 27 14:16:57 <mirko-paroli> how are the phone apps?
Dec 27 14:17:17 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: me?
Dec 27 14:17:24 <mirko-paroli> yapp
Dec 27 14:18:10 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: everything works, BUT theres not really a popup or smth. for missed calls, i have to check the phonelog, but its ok for me
Dec 27 14:18:30 <Mortak> the phonelog has a desktop item
Dec 27 14:18:45 <Mortak> kW: cant you just link it?
Dec 27 14:19:12 <mirko-paroli> but it tells you when you missed a call or do you have to check everytime?
Dec 27 14:19:15 <mirko-paroli> every time
Dec 27 14:19:22 <kW> Mortak: what do you mean? I'm a bit unfamiliar about the difference between .so, .a, .la files
Dec 27 14:19:33 <Mortak> kW: me too :)
Dec 27 14:19:50 <Mortak> mirko: everytime, but my fr is always with me
Dec 27 14:19:57 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: 
Dec 27 14:20:25 <mirko-paroli> ah k
Dec 27 14:20:32 <mirko-paroli> so you kinda notice
Dec 27 14:20:39 <Mortak> right
Dec 27 14:21:06 <Mortak> maybe ill try another phoneapp
Dec 27 14:21:29 <Mortak> kW: just try it :)
Dec 27 14:21:38 <mirko-paroli> which package are you trying to install btw?
Dec 27 14:21:44 <kW> Mortak: I'm clueless, try what exactly?
Dec 27 14:22:18 <Mortak> kW: try to link some other libglib to the needet one
Dec 27 14:23:08 <Mortak> kW: "ln -sf /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la"
Dec 27 14:23:20 <kW> I see
Dec 27 14:23:28 <kW> you mean symbolic links...
Dec 27 14:23:42 <Mortak> kW: but again, im not really sure it works, but what can gone wrong?
Dec 27 14:23:51 <Mortak> "go"
Dec 27 14:23:57 <Mortak> kW: correct
Dec 27 14:24:04 <kW> Mortak: well, the ".la" files seem to be text files, while the ".so" files are binary (ELF) files
Dec 27 14:24:37 <Mortak> kW: hehe, ill check it, just a moment
Dec 27 14:25:21 <mirko-paroli> Mortak: which package are you trying to install btw? in opkg I mean
Dec 27 14:25:35 <mirko-paroli> go ?
Dec 27 14:26:05 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: doesnt matter, even with still installed packages i`ll get this errors
Dec 27 14:26:12 <mirko-paroli> oh
Dec 27 14:26:31 <Mortak> mirko: ignore "go" :)
Dec 27 14:26:45 <mirko-paroli> k
Dec 27 14:26:58 <Mortak> "s/gone/go"
Dec 27 14:28:28 <Mortak> maybe it works when the "--disable-gpg" version comes :)
Dec 27 14:32:36 <Mortak> kW: btw. i have only "libglib-2.0.so.0         libglib-2.0.so.0.1600.4"
Dec 27 14:33:15 <kW> Mortak: I have "libglib-2.0.a" at least
Dec 27 14:33:21 <kW> Mortak: but can you compile FSO with that?
Dec 27 14:33:46 <Mortak> kW: sorry, this is scheduled for tomorrow :)
Dec 27 14:35:25 <mirko-paroli> the only think I found remotly connected was resolved with a --force-overwrite
Dec 27 14:36:21 <kW> Mortak: mhh
Dec 27 14:36:41 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: that doesnt work too, still the same error :(
Dec 27 14:39:02 <mirko-paroli> I can't even get the sources, coz the server doesn't respond
Dec 27 14:39:15 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: :) my life sucks!
Dec 27 14:39:26 <mirko-paroli> I'll have to code a bit now, but I'll keep on checking on those servers
Dec 27 14:39:57 <Mortak> mirko-paroli: thx a lot for your help, ill file a bugreport later
Dec 27 14:40:09 <mirko-paroli> (the trac is offline too)
Dec 27 14:40:32 <Mortak> oh, damn
Dec 27 14:40:33 <mirko-paroli> no worries, I thought it was just a question of finding the right page or sth
Dec 27 14:40:55 <mirko-paroli> but there is a clear lack of documentation ;)
Dec 27 14:41:11 <Mortak> then i have some time now to check my mailbox for my gprs card ;)
Dec 27 14:41:19 <mirko-paroli> hehe
Dec 27 14:41:21 <mirko-paroli> indeed
Dec 27 14:41:24 <mirko-paroli> good luck
Dec 27 14:41:30 <Mortak> thx :)
Dec 27 15:01:00 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r97bd68d4a2f3 10framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Dec 27 15:01:00 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] Add TI-Calypso specific configuration option "ti_calypso_dsp_mode" to configure
Dec 27 15:01:00 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: DSP audio enhancements. Documentation for this option has been added to the sample configuration file.
Dec 27 15:01:00 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: (Some lowlevel details can be found in framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py)
Dec 27 15:01:05 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO ticket #274 and #253.
Dec 27 15:01:07 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org: Conflicts:
Dec 27 15:01:09 <CIA-48> freesmartphone.org:  ChangeLog
Dec 27 15:02:05 <parmaster> oooh nice more calypso support
Dec 27 15:03:22 <Tm_T> conflicts changelog ?!
Dec 27 15:04:32 <cesarb> Tm_T: it is probably a merge with something else which also changed the ChangeLog file
Dec 27 15:05:16 <Tm_T> I know, just kidding
Dec 27 15:15:31 <edje> hi all, i am trying to use minicom to give some modem commands directly, but it doesn't work. a chat script with the same commands does work however. any idead why minicom refuse to do the same commands?
Dec 27 16:48:44 <lindi-> edje: socat
Dec 27 16:48:53 <lindi-> edje: you have wrong terminal settings probably
Dec 27 16:49:39 <edje> lindi-: well i use the same as i use in the working chat script. it seems that the modem is blocking on the terminal
Dec 27 16:50:00 <edje> what is socat ?
Dec 27 16:50:30 <lindi-> edje: socat - Multipurpose relay (SOcket CAT)
Dec 27 16:52:03 <edje> ok, i will look into that. what i am trying to do is to get multiplexing working on 2008.12. any idea if that can be done? ( that is why i want to talk to the device in a terminal)
Dec 27 16:53:45 <lindi-> edje: i haven't managed to compile 2008.12
Dec 27 16:53:51 <lindi-> edje: have you?
Dec 27 16:53:59 <edje> no, i just download it
Dec 27 16:54:10 <edje> flashed it, and so far so good
Dec 27 16:54:42 <lindi-> i don't understand how i could do development without being able to compile :/
Dec 27 16:55:00 <edje> and it seems that multiplexing is working too !
Dec 27 16:57:19 <thomasg> hi. does anyone know when the OM svn is going up again?
Dec 27 17:09:26 <cesarb> thomasg: no
Dec 27 17:25:50 <jadams> can someone suggest a distribution for me to use if I have the pre-freerunner neo gta01?
Dec 27 17:58:38 <RJ812> how to play media on FR?
Dec 27 18:12:27 <centaur5> Is anyone in here running Android able to tell me if suspend works? The distributions page has a ? on that feature.
Dec 27 18:13:32 <cjb> pretty sure it doesn't
Dec 27 18:14:38 <mwester> jadams:  SHR
Dec 27 18:16:17 <centaur5> Alright, I'll keep waiting til it does.  :)
Dec 27 18:16:56 <lindi-> centaur5: how about fixing it? ;)
Dec 27 18:17:45 <centaur5> lindi-: Oh, I'm not a programmer. I wish I was but I'm not logical to achieve anything.
Dec 27 18:20:26 <PBeck> ahoi
Dec 27 18:23:41 <jadams> mwester, thanks
Dec 27 18:25:57 <jadams> mwester, the jffs2 rootfs for gta01 images of shr is 70M, thought we only had 61M available...
Dec 27 18:26:13 <jadams> based on comment at bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release
Dec 27 18:26:13 <mwester> jadams:  you may have to use the lite version
Dec 27 18:26:17 <jadams> aha
Dec 27 18:26:36 <jadams> ty
Dec 27 18:26:40 <mwester> ;) avoid the uber-lite version, though -- it didin't work for me :D
Dec 27 18:28:06 <jadams> I've had the neo on a shelf for months
Dec 27 18:28:10 <jadams> going to see how things have progressed
Dec 27 18:48:25 <kW> Hello, when building FSO, I get "
Dec 27 18:48:27 <kW> NOTE: generating locale oc_FR (UTF-8)
Dec 27 18:48:28 <kW> memory clobbered before allocated block
Dec 27 18:48:30 <kW> qemu: uncaught target signal 6 (Aborted) - exiting
Dec 27 18:48:31 <kW> "
Dec 27 19:16:57 <Wonka> »Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at trac.freesmartphone.org.« (via https on port 443)...
Dec 27 19:17:22 <Wonka> i am at the 25c3 and do not want to create or use an account via http...
Dec 27 19:17:27 <Wonka> *up vpn*
Dec 27 19:20:36 <SpeedEvil> Just PM me your credit card details, and I'll get right on that.
Dec 27 19:59:36 <kW> Does anybody know why bitbake only has 1 thread despite BB_NUMBER_THREAD=4?
Dec 27 20:00:10 <Slaxxer> http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230315393088
Dec 27 20:27:40 <almien> is svn working for projects.openmoko.org?
Dec 27 20:28:06 <almien> "Error: Error while performing action: Commit failed (details follow): Can't create directory '/svnroot/ledclock/db/transactions/0-1.txn': Permission denied"
Dec 27 20:43:49 <nomeata> Hi. is Nathan Kinkade sometimes around here?
Dec 27 20:50:52 <edje> hi all, i might have found a bug, can anyone verify: on OM2001.12 after a fresh reboot, qpe runs with almost no cpu usage. during a call the cpu usage goes to 90%. and stays there after ending the call !
Dec 27 20:51:20 <edje> i sshed in on the freerunner and run top there
Dec 27 20:56:13 <edje> hmm... i think i found it already. qpe was busy reading /home/root/.config/Trolltech/qtmail_account.conf
Dec 27 20:56:35 <edje> after removing my imap acount it did quiet down....
Dec 27 22:45:39 <zogg_> soooo, how do i remove the gadget from desktop? :)
Dec 27 22:48:49 <quatrox> zogg_: remove  the <app_name>.desktop file
Dec 27 22:51:34 <zogg_> i mean, Enlightment's gadget
Dec 27 22:51:38 <zogg_> like the clock 
Dec 27 22:51:57 <zogg_> (2008.12 distro)
Dec 27 22:55:13 <quatrox> zogg_: I have no idea, but I guess it is in the theme
Dec 27 22:56:19 <almien> is there a problem with USB networking on FDOM distro?  ping doesn't work to the neo when it's plugged-in (worked in 2007-07 or whatever)
Dec 27 22:59:37 <zogg_> hm..
Dec 27 23:06:38 <GNUtoo> almien, mabe try ifup usb0 on the openmoko
Dec 27 23:08:53 <almien> "usb0 already configured"
Dec 27 23:51:45 <Slaxxer> wassa
Dec 27 23:52:22 <Slaxxer> 2008.12 is doing a much improved job in suspend
Dec 28 00:03:16 <uhsf> so, 2008.12 should be released in the next 5 days?
Dec 28 00:03:39 <Slaxxer> lol
Dec 28 00:07:06 <Slaxxer> released as in?
Dec 28 00:07:43 <SpeedEvil> Released as in it's let out of its cage, to roam the city, and kill users!
Dec 28 00:08:07 <uhsf> lol why? as in the only slightly stable release yet dates back to almost 2 years ago
Dec 28 00:09:48 <uhsf> afaik 2007.2 is still the only usable release
Dec 28 00:10:56 <viq> I'm rather happy with SHR
Dec 28 00:13:25 <uhsf> GSM not working properly after x hours, Cannot dial numbers starting with * or #, Neo turns off before reaching x, Charging stops even while connected to the charger... people here all seem to go blind about these flaws that turns out this project into a big joke after all this time
Dec 28 00:15:15 <uhsf> if only the processor was x86 i could install arch linux on the neo and start everything myself from there.
Dec 28 00:21:06 <openmoko> uhsf: why doesn't arch run on ARM?
Dec 28 00:26:23 <uhsf> agree arch should have arm architecture support
Dec 28 00:26:56 <khaije1> does arm have x86 compatibility?
Dec 28 00:27:29 <uhsf> i don't think so
Dec 28 00:27:41 <lindi-> fortunately not :)
Dec 28 00:28:20 <viq> I think there was someone building arch for FR
Dec 28 00:28:41 <jonkristian> that would rule
Dec 28 00:34:48 <openmoko> If the arch community was strong enough, the would do it
Dec 28 00:35:35 <openmoko> they
Dec 28 00:42:18 <ColdFyre> how you yo use illume instead of that terrible standard default letter only pad?
Dec 28 00:42:25 <ColdFyre> (yes, i installed it)
Dec 28 01:08:30 <Sargun> o.O
Dec 28 01:08:37 <Sargun> They un-K-lined me
Dec 28 01:15:34 <cjb> Anyone know whether you can add an unlimited data plan to an AT&T GoPhone?
Dec 28 01:15:50 <cjb> (or any prepaid plan)
Dec 28 01:16:53 <jhass840> check their site, I think you can
Dec 28 01:17:08 <cjb> I'm looking at it, can't see it so far
Dec 28 01:17:55 <jhass840> You may be able to IM a customer service rep and ask them
Dec 28 01:18:46 <cjb> thanks, will try
Dec 28 01:19:45 <jhass840> https://www.wireless.att.com/support/content.do?page=support-home (see Technical Support Chat)
Dec 28 01:21:54 <cjb> just did, they said 5MB for $10/mo
Dec 28 01:23:02 <jhass840> wow, that's not a lot of data
Dec 28 01:23:07 <cjb> no kidding
Dec 28 01:23:26 <jhass840> so you can check your e-mail like once
Dec 28 01:23:30 <cjb> haha
Dec 28 01:23:57 <Ansible> just flashed 2009.12 tonight
Dec 28 01:24:11 <jhass840> I think they have data plans, but they're separate from go phone plans
Dec 28 01:24:18 <openmoko> 2009.12? Holy crap? They've already started doing 2009 releases?
Dec 28 01:24:20 <Ansible> if it goes to standby it never comes back that I can tell, have to reboot.  should I reflash?
Dec 28 01:24:22 <jhass840> Ansible: 2009.12?
Dec 28 01:24:29 <Ansible> wup 2008.12
Dec 28 01:24:35 <jhass840> oh okay
Dec 28 01:24:54 <jhass840> Ansible: you could check out SHR
Dec 28 01:25:51 <Ansible> yeah, better?  I'm looking for something to use as a basic phone, my old phone is dying and now I have to start using the OM or get something else
Dec 28 01:26:04 <openmoko> oooooh.
Dec 28 01:26:07 <Ansible> well basic phone + text notes + contacts
Dec 28 01:26:56 <jhass840> Ansible: SHR is pretty awesome, it comes with Pidgin too so you can IRC from your phone
Dec 28 01:27:28 <Ansible> cool.  guess I'll read up on it...  does it incorporate the 2009.12 fixes?
Dec 28 01:28:16 <jhass840> I think so, it's kinda hard to explain.  It's more or less the most stable release for the phone at this time
Dec 28 01:51:42 <Slaxxer> 2008.12 is as stable
Dec 28 01:51:59 <Slaxxer> i like it better
Dec 28 02:05:38 <ColdFyre> i still can't get gprs working on 2008.12
Dec 28 02:19:02 <jhass840> ColdFyre: Did you see the wiki, it has information about how to get it working
Dec 28 02:19:31 <ColdFyre> i get freedesktop errors when i follow the steps
Dec 28 02:19:49 <ColdFyre> (when i run sgprson)
Dec 28 02:19:54 <ColdFyre> minus typos
Dec 28 02:20:36 <jhass840> hmmm, I don't know
Dec 28 02:21:16 <ColdFyre> yeah, strange =/
Dec 28 02:22:02 <ColdFyre> i at least did get enlightenment working, and it's so pretty
Dec 28 02:24:13 <jhass840> are you using SHR?
Dec 28 02:24:32 <jhass840> oh wait, you already said. nevermind
Dec 28 02:26:12 <Slaxxer> Ainulindale    whats going on?
Dec 28 02:26:16 <Slaxxer> :)
Dec 28 02:26:39 <jhass840> My GPS worked exactly once.  After that, it continually reports my position as somewhere off the coast of Africa.  I assume this is because my clock is set 5 hours ahead.  Hopefully when I get my SIM the issue will be resolved
Dec 28 02:26:58 <Slaxxer> lololol
Dec 28 02:27:33 <Slaxxer> thats where they pile om users that cant get attached
Dec 28 02:27:54 <jhass840> my phone currently believes it is 2:26 AM
Dec 28 02:28:03 <mwester> jhass840:  I doubt that its a clock issue - from a cold start the GPS should get everything it needs from the satellites.
Dec 28 02:28:08 <Slaxxer> dont think that matters
Dec 28 02:29:28 <Slaxxer> shr jhass
Dec 28 02:29:40 <jhass840> that's what I'm using
Dec 28 02:29:56 <jhass840> tangoGPS
Dec 28 02:30:13 <Slaxxer> latest  .jffs2?
Dec 28 02:30:51 <jhass840> should be, I took the one that was uploaded on decembe 17th.  It was the newest one I saw
Dec 28 02:31:08 <Slaxxer> had that problem to
Dec 28 02:32:03 <jhass840> Slaxxer: were you able to fix it?
Dec 28 02:32:50 <Slaxxer> nope i just moved on to 2008.12   although 1 of the previous shr images workes in tango   
Dec 28 02:33:06 <Slaxxer> -e
Dec 28 02:33:09 <jhass840> you know, read about the hardware issue with the GPS and I was relieved to discover I have the fix for it already.  But I've become concerned that there may be more in the future
Dec 28 02:33:21 <jhass840> correction, I read about the error
Dec 28 02:38:12 <mwester> jhass840:  the software fix is better than the hardware only solution, and is the right thing to do anyway -- so the GPS/SD card problem is actually a very minor problem of all the issues with the device.
Dec 28 02:39:31 <jhass840> Oh okay
Dec 28 02:40:15 <jhass840> I'm not planning to get rid of the thing because...I just got it...and I want it to destroy the IPhone
Dec 28 02:40:28 <mwester> Oh it's not gonna do that.
Dec 28 02:41:17 <mwester> different market, to a great extent.
Dec 28 02:41:22 <jhass840> Well, I don't know.  I'm not aware of any IPhone apps that allow people to run terminal commands
Dec 28 02:42:23 <jhass840> I mean the IPhone is just a glorified phone.  The freerunner is a miniature computer that doubles as a phone
Dec 28 02:42:57 <mwester> That's perhaps the best example of exactly the different markets.  The typical iphone purchaser would look at you like you had three legs if you said that to them.  term emulation/shell access is just something that the typical iphone user has absolutey no use for.
Dec 28 02:42:59 <jhass840> but I guess you're right, the average person has no real use for a miniature computer
Dec 28 02:43:38 <Ansible> hmmm, ok installed SHR.  Much more snappy than 2008.12.
Dec 28 02:43:44 <Ansible> Dialer doesn't work though
Dec 28 02:43:52 <mwester> I think that if OM is successful, and they seem to insist on trying to not be, they will probably eat into the market for the Nokia N810 type of devices.
Dec 28 02:44:24 <SpeedEvil> OM are working behind the scenes.
Dec 28 02:44:26 <Shlee> If I cannot play ScummVM on it, it's not a computer... if I cannot make a call on it, it's not a phone.
Dec 28 02:44:47 <mwester> :P  so... what does that make the FR right now?
Dec 28 02:44:50 <SpeedEvil> When they become the world government, they will mandate OM as the only computer operating system. Where will symbian be then!
Dec 28 02:45:17 <jhass840> you can make phone calls on the freerunner.  I know someone who uses it as their primary phone
Dec 28 02:45:47 <Ansible> jhass what do they run on it?
Dec 28 02:45:55 <Shlee> I tried to use it for afew months as my primary - Waiting for a solution to the hardware issues.. echos and noise
Dec 28 02:46:48 <jhass840> Ansible: SHR
Dec 28 02:47:10 <Ansible> crap, I probably installed the wrong kernel or something
Dec 28 02:48:29 <jhass840> Ansible: Don't use SHR lite
Dec 28 02:48:39 <Ansible> SHR looks pretty good though, hope I can get it working
Dec 28 02:48:48 <Ansible> I'm using the 12-16 files
Dec 28 02:49:34 <Ansible> maybe too bleeding edge
Dec 28 02:51:06 <Slaxxer> yup
Dec 28 02:51:24 <Slaxxer> your edges are bleeding
Dec 28 02:51:47 <Slaxxer> 12-14
Dec 28 02:51:53 <Slaxxer>   or 12-15
Dec 28 02:51:54 <Ansible> ow
Dec 28 02:52:26 <Ansible> I'll try that out
Dec 28 02:52:39 <jhass840> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/  I used uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 28 02:53:05 <jhass840> worked fine for me
Dec 28 02:54:06 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, just beware. Pretty much every 'stable' kernel has the accelerometer bug, so if you want to use those much, you may want to use an unstable kernel.
Dec 28 02:54:35 <Ansible> ah...  yeah I used the one with the latest date.  kernel was the same as the 'latest' I think
Dec 28 02:54:39 <Digital_Pioneer> I've found a way to fix the bug from boot to boot, but doing it seems to fix event2 while killing event3 entirely.
Dec 28 02:54:51 <Ansible> accelerometer is the least of my worries now!
Dec 28 02:54:57 <Digital_Pioneer> OK. :)
Dec 28 02:55:00 <jhass840> Digital_Pioneer: accelerometer bug?
Dec 28 02:55:23 <Digital_Pioneer> jhass840: Yeah, the accelerometers tend to only give data when the phone is not moving.
Dec 28 02:55:38 <Ansible> though if everything else works it will give me something to complain about.
Dec 28 02:55:39 <Digital_Pioneer> That makes them useless for pretty much everything except rotation scripts.
Dec 28 02:55:46 <Ansible> hehe DP thats pretty useless!
Dec 28 02:55:49 <jhass840> Digital_Pioneer: Oh, well mine don't seem to work at all anyway
Dec 28 02:56:12 <jhass840> So as far as I'm concerned, I don't have that bug
Dec 28 02:56:18 <Digital_Pioneer> jhass840: Easy enough to check. Just hexdump /dev/input/event2, then shake the phone. If the data stream remains constant, you don't have it.
Dec 28 02:57:11 <Digital_Pioneer> You may want to play with their settings. Send values to the files in (I think) /sys/devices/platform/lis302.(1 or 2)/
Dec 28 02:57:52 <jhass840> Digital_Pioneer: Well, nothing seems to be bothering me
Dec 28 02:58:00 <jhass840> Digital_Pioneer: That's what I meant
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