**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 29 02:59:56 2008
Dec 29 03:04:34 <Dave> I wouldn't know.
Dec 29 03:04:41 <Dave> I don't do 2008.X anymore.
Dec 29 03:04:55 <KenYoung> Dave - what's your current stack?
Dec 29 03:06:00 <Slaxxin> shr?
Dec 29 03:06:05 <Slaxxin> fso
Dec 29 03:07:04 <Dave> 2007 and SHR
Dec 29 03:07:14 <Dave> Those are my two primary distros
Dec 29 03:07:38 <KenYoung> Dave, Why hang on to 2007?
Dec 29 03:08:52 <Dave> It's still awesome?
Dec 29 03:09:13 <Dave> I wouldn't be using it if it didn't do some things that no other distro did the same or well enough.
Dec 29 03:09:16 <Dave> ;]
Dec 29 03:14:56 <Slaxxin> awwww
Dec 29 03:15:16 <Slaxxin> dont wanna lose that bbt?
Dec 29 03:16:26 <Dave> bbt?
Dec 29 03:16:41 <Slaxxin> bad block table
Dec 29 03:17:58 <Dave> haha
Dec 29 03:19:23 <Slaxxin> shr gps working for ya ?
Dec 29 03:20:33 <Slaxxin> can i install tango to my desktop an track friends on ,,say a tomtom?
Dec 29 03:21:00 <Dave> probably ;D
Dec 29 03:21:08 <Dave> Will you be our friend, slaxin? :)
Dec 29 03:21:18 <Slaxxin> i try 
Dec 29 03:21:45 <Slaxxin> i will set my spot to   nyc
Dec 29 03:23:35 <Slaxxin> come join us off the coast of africa
Dec 29 03:23:56 <Dave> o_O
Dec 29 03:24:09 <Dave> What the fuck. I thought you were in texass or something :P
Dec 29 03:24:22 <KenYoung>  I think Slaxxin may be a pirate.
Dec 29 03:25:20 <Slaxxin> arrrrgg
Dec 29 03:26:14 <Slaxxin> chinese no take prisoners
Dec 29 03:26:29 <openmoko> fuckin' asian
Dec 29 03:30:57 <Slaxxin> i know u didint just call me asian
Dec 29 03:31:59 <Dave> ;p
Dec 29 03:33:12 <Slaxxin> no dave my daughter lives in dallas
Dec 29 03:33:49 <Slaxxin> i like next door to walmarts office in bentonville  Ar.
Dec 29 03:34:11 <Slaxxin> im a hick   not an asian
Dec 29 03:34:40 <KenYoung> Hooray for us hicks!
Dec 29 03:34:48 <Slaxxin> yeeehaaa
Dec 29 03:34:51 <Dave> :)
Dec 29 03:34:59 <Dave> hehe
Dec 29 03:52:41 <mwester> hurray for bib overalls! ;)   (sorry 'bout the walmart thing though, that has to suck)
Dec 29 03:52:43 <seameat> ok, time to ditch FDOM
Dec 29 03:53:15 <seameat> anyone using hackable1?
Dec 29 03:53:22 <KenYoung> I wish there were an FDOM version of 2008.12.
Dec 29 03:53:42 <seameat> KenYoung, FDOM is just cluttered. it irritated me
Dec 29 03:54:07 <KenYoung> seameat, You can uninstall a lot of the stuff if you don't like it.
Dec 29 03:54:25 <seameat> KenYoung, and perhaps it was me not looking hard enough, but i couldn't find a backspace on the keyboard and i couldn't figure out how to close out processes
Dec 29 03:54:40 <seameat> KenYoung, fair enough, ken :)
Dec 29 03:55:54 <KenYoung> seameat, There is a full keyboard is you select the "terminal" layout.
Dec 29 03:56:09 <KenYoung> Including backspace.
Dec 29 03:56:30 <Dave> :)
Dec 29 03:56:39 <KenYoung> seameat, Closing processes is the same under FDOM as with any other 2008.x distribution.
Dec 29 03:57:19 <seameat> KenYoung, i see, let me give it another shot then.
Dec 29 03:57:38 <seameat> KenYoung, i thought it was short press on power button
Dec 29 03:58:17 <KenYoung> seameat, No, that's kill process for 2007.x distributions.   Under 2008.x, a short power button press suspends.
Dec 29 03:58:53 <KenYoung> seameat, The button functions were more useful under 2007.x than 2008.x, IMHO, but that has nothing to do with FDOM.
Dec 29 03:59:22 <Slaxxin> seameat u tried shr?
Dec 29 03:59:25 * rooly snickers at people still using broken asu's
Dec 29 03:59:44 <seameat> Slaxxin, i have not
Dec 29 03:59:51 <Slaxxin> u need shr
Dec 29 03:59:57 <seameat> KenYoung, then how do you kill process?
Dec 29 04:00:21 <seameat> Slaxxin, lol. i'll give it a shot... i want to try lots of distros before i setlle on one
Dec 29 04:04:28 <KenYoung> seameat, Under 2008.x and FDOM, to kill a process you pull down the top bar, and hit the big "X".
Dec 29 04:05:18 <seameat> KenYoung, aahhhh ok
Dec 29 04:08:04 <Slaxxin> rooly which   os u running?
Dec 29 04:08:29 <rooly> qtopia 4.3.2
Dec 29 04:08:35 <rooly> stable and reliable
Dec 29 04:08:40 <rooly> except for when an sms waks it up
Dec 29 04:08:45 <rooly> doesn't always go thru
Dec 29 04:08:52 <rooly> lets see:
Dec 29 04:09:37 <rooly> no power managerment from ring themes, no sms doesn't always arrive propperly when causing a wakeup, and headphones don't work right
Dec 29 04:10:23 <rooly> to be specific, power management from ring themes causes qtopia to crash, but reboots fine with the power management enabled
Dec 29 04:10:59 <Slaxxin> there u have it folks
Dec 29 04:11:17 <rooly> oh, i forgot, qtopia apps crash when attempting a dns search
Dec 29 04:11:28 <rooly> but gprs works perfectly well
Dec 29 04:11:38 <rooly> on 4.3.2
Dec 29 04:11:41 <Slaxxin> bluetooth
Dec 29 04:11:59 <rooly> i havven't managed to get a headset working with any os, but qtopia is the closest
Dec 29 04:12:09 <rooly> bluetooth supports all but PAN
Dec 29 04:12:29 <rooly> windows doesn't seem to be able to tether it
Dec 29 04:13:00 <rooly> qtopia 4.3.2 is the most stable available
Dec 29 04:13:06 <rooly> except for maybe 2007.11
Dec 29 04:13:16 <rooly> but that one can't wake up, and if it does, has no sound
Dec 29 04:14:01 <rooly> qte 4.4.1 is kinda stable, and includes bluetooth, but the sms cloning is unbearable
Dec 29 04:15:07 <rooly> oh, the dialer app, during a phone call, doesn't always change visual state properly. it will still show itself as 'dialing' even tho you are talking
Dec 29 04:15:13 <Slaxxin> is the next qt near?
Dec 29 04:15:51 <rooly> mwester said something about 4.4.3 being in the repostory
Dec 29 04:16:03 <Slaxxin> everyone avoids that question 
Dec 29 04:16:29 <rooly> you'll have to ask the trolltech people
Dec 29 04:16:31 <Slaxxin> where?
Dec 29 04:16:39 <Slaxxin> oic
Dec 29 04:16:41 <rooly> iunno, maybe on their mailing list
Dec 29 04:19:27 <seameat> Slaxxin, ok, slaxxin, so if i want SHR I have to make my own image, correct?
Dec 29 04:21:25 <seameat> Slaxxin, nevermind, found the documentation
Dec 29 04:23:06 <Dave> mooooooooooooooooooooooo
Dec 29 04:23:23 <Slaxxin> u can   
Dec 29 04:23:52 <Slaxxin> just get an image
Dec 29 04:24:17 <seameat> Slaxxin, there is a pre-built image? do you know where i can find that? all i am finding is instructions for making my own
Dec 29 04:24:37 <Slaxxin> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D
Dec 29 04:25:45 <Slaxxin> that link is sorted" last modified" to ease your discomfort
Dec 29 04:26:30 <Slaxxin> they seem to be a little stale
Dec 29 04:26:39 <seameat> Slaxxin, awesome, thank you. now, i am kind of new to all this... all i need is the rootfs, correct? i am using the 2008.9 kernel and the latest u-boot
Dec 29 04:26:53 <Slaxxin> proly working on something large
Dec 29 04:27:28 <Slaxxin> well i would use a kernel from that page    but im a newb too
Dec 29 04:27:37 <seameat> ok i see
Dec 29 04:28:17 <rooly> slap in a mwester's kernel
Dec 29 04:28:42 <rooly> and its associated utility package
Dec 29 04:28:54 <rooly> and then it won't matter which OS you use
Dec 29 04:29:00 <rooly> it'll still wak up propperly
Dec 29 04:29:10 <rooly> (except for android...that doesn't run on a standard kernel)
Dec 29 04:29:25 <seameat> rooly, orly?
Dec 29 04:29:32 <rooly> yarly
Dec 29 04:29:47 <seameat> rooly, and where might i find this mythical kernel?
Dec 29 04:30:15 <rooly> i could tell you look in the wiki or on google...but i guess i'll go and find it for you
Dec 29 04:30:29 <seameat> lol if i google mwester, let's see...........
Dec 29 04:30:42 <seameat> sorry me asking you to find it was kinda lame haha
Dec 29 04:30:55 <Slaxxin> same as qtopias?
Dec 29 04:31:09 <rooly> not quite
Dec 29 04:31:14 <Slaxxin> i dont know
Dec 29 04:31:22 <Slaxxin> ok
Dec 29 04:32:32 <rooly> http://moko.mwester.net/index.html
Dec 29 04:32:43 <rooly> snoop around in there, and make sure you READ what you are downloading
Dec 29 04:32:52 <seameat> rooly, lol, just found it via gewgle. thanks rooly.
Dec 29 04:33:01 <seameat> rooly, indeed, reading is key
Dec 29 04:41:30 <seameat> rooly, ok, so i flashed mwester's kernel... what do i need to do with the 'minimal module set'?
Dec 29 04:44:24 <rooly|away> once your OS is installed, copy that over to the phone and extract it in the root
Dec 29 04:44:35 <seameat> rooly, ooooooooh ok
Dec 29 04:45:28 <rooly|away> mv file.tar.gz (or maybe its .tgz) /
Dec 29 04:45:40 <rooly|away> tar -xvzf file.tar (.tgz)
Dec 29 04:45:53 <seameat> rooly, great thanks. sorry about newbie questions :)
Dec 29 04:46:44 <rooly|away> np
Dec 29 04:46:50 <rooly|away> everybody is a nublet at some point
Dec 29 04:46:55 <seameat> :)
Dec 29 04:53:07 <rooly|away> okay
Dec 29 04:53:08 <rooly|away> going to bed
Dec 29 04:53:14 <rooly|away> gots to be up real early like
Dec 29 04:53:45 <seameat> thanks again rooly
Dec 29 05:25:44 <Digital_Pioneer> mwester: Ahhh, could it be? The kernel I downloaded from your site seems to be both usable, and free of the accelerometer bug! :)
Dec 29 05:36:47 <openmoko> Sun Dec 28 21:36:47 PST 2008
Dec 29 05:37:31 <Slaxxin> raster
Dec 29 05:38:30 <Slaxxin> how do i get the  terminal keyboard on 2008.12 with white keys an black background
Dec 29 05:40:16 <Digital_Pioneer> Slaxxin: There's a page on the wiki about switching keyboards.
Dec 29 05:41:10 <Digital_Pioneer> Anyone know what to do if udhcpc doesn't work? Specifically, it keeps saying "Sending discover..." over and over again, and it says "run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1" quite a bit too.
Dec 29 05:41:58 <Slaxxin> ya but i cant seem to figure out how to get that one keyboard
Dec 29 05:42:15 <Digital_Pioneer> What do you want? Matchbox?
Dec 29 05:42:20 <Slaxxin> rebooting will cure that
Dec 29 05:42:45 <Slaxxin> blackbacground
Dec 29 05:42:47 <Digital_Pioneer> The udhcpc issue? No, I've rebooted many times, and it's never helped.
Dec 29 05:42:53 <Slaxxin> oo
Dec 29 05:43:12 <Slaxxin> is the acess point open?
Dec 29 05:43:29 <Digital_Pioneer> Yes, though I've tried it on several different APs.
Dec 29 05:44:10 <Digital_Pioneer> It also complains about 99avahi-autoipd exiting code 1...
Dec 29 05:44:33 <Digital_Pioneer> Those scripts only exit code 1 if there is no parameter passed. Methinks udhcpc is broken.
Dec 29 05:44:41 <Digital_Pioneer> Not passing the parameter.
Dec 29 05:47:37 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, maybe not... IDK.
Dec 29 05:49:36 <Slaxxin> maybe some modules not installed
Dec 29 05:50:21 <Digital_Pioneer> Modules?
Dec 29 05:50:41 <Digital_Pioneer> I just switched to an mwester kernel, haven't been installing separate modules since then.
Dec 29 05:51:07 <Slaxxin> depending if u use some other kernel besides the recomended 1
Dec 29 05:51:34 <Slaxxin> the basic modules might be needed
Dec 29 05:51:34 <Digital_Pioneer> And I've not rebooted since installing modules for mwester kernel. Need I do that now?
Dec 29 05:51:42 <Slaxxin> oo
Dec 29 05:53:38 <Digital_Pioneer> Ah-ha!!
Dec 29 05:54:18 <Digital_Pioneer> I've figured out why my perfectly good stock battery isn't working right now, and I see any error about not getting a status property at boot. It's Qi's fault.
Dec 29 05:54:34 <Digital_Pioneer> Using u-Boot, that doesn't happen!
Dec 29 05:56:30 <Digital_Pioneer> The reboot did not fix the DHCP issue though.
Dec 29 05:58:01 <Slaxxin> i didnt install the modules an my wifi hooked up
Dec 29 05:58:28 <Slaxxin> meoem worked
Dec 29 05:58:29 <Digital_Pioneer> Calling avahi-autoipd manually appears to work.
Dec 29 06:04:03 <raster> Slaxxin: i dont use 2008.x - so i'
Dec 29 06:04:08 <raster> Slaxxin: i dont use 2008.x - so i'm the wrong one to ask
Dec 29 06:31:06 <Digital_Pioneer> Is there a way to make vala-terminal start with a smaller font? :\
Dec 29 06:39:49 <alphabeat1> anyone know how to debug the qt apps on 2008.12? they won't start and i can't find any output to work out what's wrong. not much in x.log or messages
Dec 29 06:40:13 <AntonTakk> try running them from a terminal?
Dec 29 06:40:41 <KenYoung> alphabeat1, Which apps are giving you trouble?
Dec 29 06:40:42 <Digital_Pioneer> AntonTakk: That's usually the first line of business.
Dec 29 06:41:15 <AntonTakk> Digital_Pioneer: yeah, if you happen to know much about troubleshooting *nix
Dec 29 06:41:22 <Digital_Pioneer> KenYoung: You can go ahead and hit two letters before hitting tab, you know. ;)
Dec 29 06:41:42 <Digital_Pioneer> AntonTakk: SSH in, run from terminal, and pastebin output for us. :)
Dec 29 06:42:13 <AntonTakk> Digital_Pioneer: no, my earlier comment was for alphabeat1 
Dec 29 06:42:14 <alphabeat1> dialer/contacts/messages
Dec 29 06:42:36 <alphabeat1> AntonTakk: qcop service just returns. i believe this is normal though
Dec 29 06:42:49 <Digital_Pioneer> Oh, I'm an idiot.
Dec 29 06:42:56 <AntonTakk> alphabeat1: probably, any output from the apps?
Dec 29 06:43:05 <KenYoung> Digital_Pioneer, Actually, no.   I don't know what you mean.   I do use tab completion for names - am I doing something wrong?
Dec 29 06:43:26 <Digital_Pioneer> AntonTakk and alphabeat1both get green in my client, I didn't look at them individually, just figured they were the same nick. :P
Dec 29 06:43:46 <AntonTakk> pfft  :-P
Dec 29 06:43:49 <Digital_Pioneer> KenYoung: No, I'm crazy. I thought anton was aking the question.
Dec 29 06:43:54 <Digital_Pioneer> *asking
Dec 29 06:44:30 <AntonTakk> alphabeat1: you know how to run a gui app when sshed in to the fr, right?
Dec 29 06:44:33 <alphabeat1> Digital_Pioneer: what client is that?
Dec 29 06:44:42 <Digital_Pioneer> alphabeat1: Konversation
Dec 29 06:44:43 <alphabeat1> AntonTakk: export DISPLAY=:0 yeah? 
Dec 29 06:45:01 <AntonTakk> alphabeat1: =:0.0 just to be sure, but yeah
Dec 29 06:45:44 <Digital_Pioneer> No, let's be absolutely certain. export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
Dec 29 06:45:46 <Digital_Pioneer> :P
Dec 29 06:45:52 <AntonTakk> hehe
Dec 29 06:46:25 <Digital_Pioneer> But, no, your hosts file might be really whacked. Best to use DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0
Dec 29 06:46:31 <Digital_Pioneer> :D
Dec 29 06:46:56 <AntonTakk> being exactly pedantically correct never hurt anyone, except the guy explaining schrodinger's cat to the impatient man with a shot gun  ;-)
Dec 29 06:47:40 <Digital_Pioneer> Schrodinger's cat? Please explain...
Dec 29 06:47:43 <f3ew> lol
Dec 29 06:47:47 <AntonTakk> hehe
Dec 29 06:47:56 <AntonTakk> Digital_Pioneer: really?
Dec 29 06:47:57 <Digital_Pioneer> But be quick, I'm in a bad mood and I got an itchy trigger finger.
Dec 29 06:48:03 <AntonTakk> pfft!
Dec 29 06:49:13 <AntonTakk> welp, night all, gots work in the morning :-\
Dec 29 06:49:53 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, honestly, I have no idea what shrodinger's cat is...
Dec 29 06:50:01 * Digital_Pioneer finds a wikipedia article.
Dec 29 06:50:07 <f3ew> Google: Schrodinger's cat
Dec 29 06:50:29 <AntonTakk> schrodinger's cat is a bit complicated for a quick irc explanation
Dec 29 06:51:06 <f3ew> It may or may not be dead
Dec 29 06:51:20 <KenYoung> It is and isn't dead.
Dec 29 06:51:55 <gecco> good morning
Dec 29 06:53:59 <AntonTakk> basically, the whole theory revolves around the impossibility of zombie cats  ;) - night all
Dec 29 06:54:04 <seameat> lol
Dec 29 06:55:10 <jonsmith1982> does it take into account that cats have nine lives?
Dec 29 07:01:33 <Digital_Pioneer> Hydrocyanic poison? Sounds fun. :)
Dec 29 07:22:28 <Digital_Pioneer> So... Anyone figured out how to get free internet from your cell phone company yet? }:)
Dec 29 07:23:15 <dns53> by free you mean the most expensive data avalable
Dec 29 07:24:27 <Digital_Pioneer> By free, I mean using their internet services without them knowing I'm doing it, or at least knowing who's doing it. C'mon, all you Linux hackers, surely someone's found a way! :P
Dec 29 07:25:10 <Shlee> Not too many blackhats in this room
Dec 29 07:25:25 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, too bad. Heheh
Dec 29 07:25:49 <Digital_Pioneer> I can get 1 cent/kb right now, and that'll get real expensive real quick.
Dec 29 07:57:25 <ColdFyre> i get free internet
Dec 29 07:57:33 <ColdFyre> but that's because my company pays my bill
Dec 29 08:01:31 <raster> no such thing as a free lunch
Dec 29 08:01:33 <raster> :)
Dec 29 09:55:38 <PBeck> ahoi
Dec 29 10:07:36 <Defiant-_> uhm...matchbox dev is dead, is it?
Dec 29 10:41:03 <kd8ikt> believe so
Dec 29 11:09:46 <Gilly> Heya! Just received my freerunner and updated to Om2008.12 :) Now I'm wondering how to setup Wifi. Don't see a "Wifi entry" in the settings what is the wiki guides to look for.
Dec 29 11:15:42 <henk> Gilly: only manually afaik
Dec 29 11:15:54 <henk> Gilly: no working reliable wifi gui atm
Dec 29 11:15:56 <Gilly> well, it seems i don't have a terminal program installed either :)
Dec 29 11:16:19 <Gilly> but i just compiled the kernel on my lappy and i'm going to test the usb networking
Dec 29 11:31:04 <Gilly> yay! got the usb up and running :)
Dec 29 11:41:01 <badcloud> !video ou
Dec 29 11:41:03 <cdbot2> Sorry, no search results were found.
Dec 29 11:51:31 <Gilly> has anyone worked on porting ghc (glasgow haskell compiler)? i read that some guy had xmonad running :)
Dec 29 11:56:14 <lindi-> debian has :)
Dec 29 11:56:55 <Gilly> oh, mm :) could check if it's usable on om
Dec 29 12:17:13 <Aciid> how do I login to my sim card to display contacts etc. the phone wont ask for a pin code
Dec 29 12:22:08 <lindi-> Aciid: what have you sent to the gsm chip so far?
Dec 29 12:22:51 <Aciid> I havent hooked up the usb ethernet yet, ill try to debug it first, I was just asking that will it display any authenication automaticly?
Dec 29 12:23:24 <Aciid> yes Im a fool because I didnt try anything before I asked sorry 
Dec 29 12:40:36 <edje2> hi all, is it possible to set the suspend time from a command prompt ?
Dec 29 12:59:04 <lindi-> edje2: suspend time?
Dec 29 12:59:53 <edje2> yup, in settings you can set it to 30 or 60 seconds. or off. can this also be done from the command line?
Dec 29 13:00:30 <edje2> or is it just an X setting ( changeable with xset -display :0 s 30 )
Dec 29 13:00:56 <lindi-> edje2: settings of what program?
Dec 29 13:01:27 <edje2> om2008.12 -> home -> settings -> susspend
Dec 29 13:01:49 <Shlee> Why the hell does om2008 release still have the install buttons at the bottom..
Dec 29 13:01:57 <edje2> the time before the FR goes sleep
Dec 29 13:20:25 <Shlee> What the fuck is the momment of truth?!
Dec 29 13:23:23 * CVirus is listening to Divine Moments of Truth by Shpongle on Are you shpongled? [Amarok]
Dec 29 14:05:27 <Bertthold_4> www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/
Dec 29 14:12:33 <Bertthold_4> www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/
Dec 29 14:14:35 <Mortak> hi all
Dec 29 14:18:38 <lumo> hi
Dec 29 14:19:16 <lumo> runs openmoko on a samsung arm9 processor ?
Dec 29 14:19:34 <Bertthold_4> www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/
Dec 29 14:20:50 <Bertthold_4> www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/
Dec 29 14:24:43 <jonkristian> wtf
Dec 29 14:25:06 <moritz> according to the documentation GPS on Debian on the Freerunner is supposed to "simpy work". So far I couldn't get tangogps to show my position at all. Is there anything known in this respect?
Dec 29 14:28:22 <jonkristian> openvibe loool
Dec 29 14:33:17 <christophe> moritz : have you tried to launch the gps utility provided by zhone at the same time ?
Dec 29 14:37:35 <moritz> Christophe: i tried with and without zhone.
Dec 29 14:37:58 <moritz> christophe: most of the time i have tried without zhone running and with gps enabled manually
Dec 29 14:38:51 <moritz> i wonder if my gps device might be broken. and by the way: i have the GTA02 with the hardware fix for the SD-card related problem
Dec 29 14:39:12 <christophe> well, you have to let the gps application in zhone open and lauch tangogps
Dec 29 14:39:25 <jonkristian> moritz: are you sure you are waiting long enough, prefferably outside?
Dec 29 14:39:38 <jonkristian> moritz: gps is a patience thing, most of the times.
Dec 29 14:39:38 <moritz> well
Dec 29 14:39:51 <moritz> yesterday night i was out and freezing my hands of waiting for a gps signal
Dec 29 14:39:52 <christophe> the first time you use your gps under debian it can take a LONG time ( 20 minutes ) to get the first point
Dec 29 14:40:01 <moritz> damn
Dec 29 14:40:02 <moritz> ;-)
Dec 29 14:40:08 <jonkristian> christophe: that's insane
Dec 29 14:40:18 <moritz> 20 min?
Dec 29 14:40:22 <jonkristian> christophe: well, maybe not, if you're inside.
Dec 29 14:40:25 <moritz> everytime i want to use gps?
Dec 29 14:40:54 <moritz> when i start the gps app inside zhone it shows me:
Dec 29 14:40:57 <moritz> "Lat: N/A"
Dec 29 14:41:01 <christophe> for me it take about 10 minutes but sometime it take 20 :/
Dec 29 14:41:01 <moritz> "Lon: N/A"
Dec 29 14:41:02 <moritz> and so on
Dec 29 14:41:16 <moritz> that's right so far? now i need to start tangogps?
Dec 29 14:41:38 <christophe> yes, and ... wait
Dec 29 14:41:51 <jonkristian> ...
Dec 29 14:41:57 * moritz is waiting
Dec 29 14:42:01 <jonkristian> put on some gloves if you plan to go outside;)
Dec 29 14:42:01 <christophe> on the second screen of the zhone's gps application you can see the gps signal
Dec 29 14:42:40 <moritz> hmm
Dec 29 14:42:42 <christophe> when it become green, that's it ! you know where you are :)
Dec 29 14:42:47 <moritz> the "second screen"?
Dec 29 14:43:15 <christophe> there is some 'tabs' with the button above the screen
Dec 29 14:44:07 <moritz> i only see buttons at the bottom of the screen
Dec 29 14:47:38 <moritz> i have the impression that my apps are doing nothing.
Dec 29 14:47:58 <moritz> no status messages nowhere like "trying to reach gps, trying to get a fix"
Dec 29 14:55:31 <christophe> moritz : I've try to get it working on a fresh debian install and it seems that there is a problem
Dec 29 14:55:49 <christophe> I can't get any gps signals :/
Dec 29 14:56:13 <moritz> ah
Dec 29 14:56:17 <moritz> nice to hear that
Dec 29 14:56:18 <moritz> =)
Dec 29 14:56:22 <christophe> and i'm sure that my gps is working with other distro
Dec 29 14:56:39 <moritz> i also failed to get it working with the OM distributions
Dec 29 14:57:03 <christophe> few weeks ago, i worked for me ...
Dec 29 14:57:22 <moritz> christophe: how did you verify that you don't receive any gps signals?
Dec 29 14:57:37 <moritz> something with gpspipe or any other diagnostic tool?
Dec 29 14:58:01 <moritz> or just with the zhone/tangogps guis?
Dec 29 14:58:12 <christophe> no, just with the second tab of the zhone gps program
Dec 29 14:58:28 <Pander> what was the fix for opkg update signature failures again? I have correct DNS entries that (seen) to work
Dec 29 14:58:31 <Pander> seem
Dec 29 14:58:34 <christophe> it's like a list of satelite
Dec 29 14:59:06 <christophe> i have to go, i'll be back in a few minutes
Dec 29 14:59:16 <moritz> ~
Dec 29 15:09:37 <Gilly> is there a way to send ctrl-d using the keyboard on om 2008.12 ?
Dec 29 15:11:16 <raster> no
Dec 29 15:13:58 <evolux> can someone help me compiling a cython module for the freerunner?
Dec 29 15:14:16 <evolux> i could not find cython in the toolchain
Dec 29 15:16:47 <evolux> sorry, i'll be back in 2 hours or so
Dec 29 15:27:46 <pcfe> Hello
Dec 29 15:28:08 <almien> anyone know how to make an app full-screen (in python/GTK if that makes a difference)
Dec 29 15:32:41 <laen> almien: isn't that a task for the WM?
Dec 29 15:34:14 <almien> laen: perhaps.  But if you have an app which only makes sense when it fills the screen, you don't want the user to have to fiddle with settings to make it work each time they run it
Dec 29 15:35:35 <almien> ok so how would you make (say) enlightenment set your app's window to full-screen each time it runs?
Dec 29 15:40:09 <laen> No idea about enlightment.
Dec 29 15:40:26 <Dave> LANE
Dec 29 15:40:34 <laen> Openbox has such settings from it's menu, and per-app settings or per-app type settings can be done in rc.xml.
Dec 29 15:40:42 <laen> it's ae SEXY DAVE!
Dec 29 15:40:43 <laen> =)
Dec 29 15:41:06 <Dave> ;D
Dec 29 15:44:41 <laen> How are ya sexy?
Dec 29 15:50:59 <Dave> pimpin'
Dec 29 15:54:04 <laen> Sweet.
Dec 29 15:56:27 <Dave> ;)
Dec 29 16:08:50 <almien> for reference, answer was: call fullscreen() on gtk.Window object...
Dec 29 16:20:06 <MrShleee> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=713763707060529304&hl=en :)
Dec 29 16:20:27 <MrShleee> hopefully you can find a better quality video.. but this works
Dec 29 16:20:35 <MrShleee> Use your imagination
Dec 29 16:37:19 <christophe_> what does mean this line in the log of frameworkd : This TI Calypso device suffers from the recamping bug. Turning off sleep mode to recover
Dec 29 16:37:37 <yabo> Hello, are the wireless-drivers stable yet?
Dec 29 16:38:50 <mwester> yabo:  The new kernel has not had enough testing to be able to see how stable the wifi really is.
Dec 29 16:39:15 <yabo> alright
Dec 29 16:39:28 <yabo> also, im looking to install a terminal
Dec 29 16:39:46 <yabo> can we search the repositories somewhere?
Dec 29 16:40:33 <yabo> oh nevermind
Dec 29 16:41:58 <Dave> Hi Mwester :)
Dec 29 16:42:43 <yabo> I want to replace the 2008.12 standard keyboard with the one Debian comes with, how do i do that?
Dec 29 16:42:52 <yabo> Matchbox, i guess
Dec 29 16:43:48 <lindi-> yabo: debian comes with very many keyboards
Dec 29 16:43:59 <yabo> I use 2008.12
Dec 29 16:44:15 <yabo> and i want the matchbox-keyboard instead of the black qtopia-keyboard
Dec 29 16:46:37 <almien> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LED_clock
Dec 29 16:46:43 <almien> newish app
Dec 29 16:46:52 <hajmola> on 2008.12 when I switch to the illume theme, it segfaults all the time... 
Dec 29 16:47:40 <hajmola> anyone know any fixes?
Dec 29 16:48:05 <hajmola> nevermind, i found it on the wiki
Dec 29 16:49:16 <yabo> #opkg install nano | Collected errors: *Could not obtain administrative lock
Dec 29 16:49:17 <yabo> ?
Dec 29 16:50:00 <yabo> what is that?
Dec 29 16:51:33 <yabo> oh right, gotta kill packagekitd
Dec 29 16:51:35 <yabo> nevermind
Dec 29 16:57:12 <baba_melone> Hi, I have recently updated to Om2008.12, but now I dont know how to deactivate the default qtopia keyboard to use matchbox instead
Dec 29 16:57:25 * yabo hangs onto baba_melone and wants to know aswell
Dec 29 16:57:43 * Deubeuliou too
Dec 29 16:57:51 <yabo> mwester haaalp!
Dec 29 16:57:56 <Deubeuliou> with Rasterman's keyboard
Dec 29 16:59:10 <baba_melone> so theres no way to use matchbox, which I prefer
Dec 29 17:03:57 <hajmola> how's flac support in OM? can one of the media players play flac well?
Dec 29 17:04:45 <pcfe> khorben: rumor has it you have a laptop with all the latest images for the FreeRunner. am I correct in assuming that it's faster to reflash than to apply all the updates to a 2008-10-15ish device?
Dec 29 17:17:50 <evolux> can someone help me compiling a cython module for the freerunner?
Dec 29 17:17:58 <evolux> i couldn't find cython in the toolchain
Dec 29 17:18:05 <Digital_Pioneer> Cython?
Dec 29 17:19:27 <Digital_Pioneer> C-extensions for Python. Never heard of it.
Dec 29 17:19:42 <evolux> the successor of pyrex
Dec 29 17:20:18 <evolux> it's really cool, just write python code, add c types to your variables and cython compiles it into c code
Dec 29 17:21:23 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, thing is, I can't compile for FR. Can't get the toolchain up.
Dec 29 17:21:36 <Digital_Pioneer> And I know more C than I do python. LOL
Dec 29 17:24:31 <loufoque> when will an openmoko phone finally be usable as a mobile phone?
Dec 29 17:24:50 <Digital_Pioneer> loufoque: It's already usable as a mobile phone.
Dec 29 17:25:08 <loufoque> by usable, I mean it should have decent GSM support and battery life.
Dec 29 17:25:10 <Digital_Pioneer> It's already usable as a smartphone. You should just know a little about Linux first.
Dec 29 17:25:35 <Digital_Pioneer> *Mine* has fine GSM and battery life.
Dec 29 17:26:58 <loufoque> what about ticket 1662?
Dec 29 17:27:31 <loufoque> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1662
Dec 29 17:28:55 <Digital_Pioneer> *Shrug* I have not used mine much for an actual phone, but I've not had any trouble.
Dec 29 17:29:24 <Digital_Pioneer> Of course, I knew what to expect when I bought this phone, and I was willing to work with it.
Dec 29 17:29:42 <Digital_Pioneer> If you want a production quality phone... The G1 would probably be a better option.
Dec 29 17:30:13 <moritz> Digital_Pioneer: you can hardly state it IS usable as a mobile phone (for you) when you don't use it for your daily telephone needs.
Dec 29 17:30:33 <kW> Digital_Pioneer: could we hack the G1 as we could hack the freerunner?
Dec 29 17:30:38 <Digital_Pioneer> My daily telephone needs are virtually nonexistent.
Dec 29 17:30:55 <Digital_Pioneer> kW: No clue, but I doubt it. :) That's why I prefer the FR.
Dec 29 17:31:07 <kW> loufoque: I actually do use the freerunner as my primary phone
Dec 29 17:32:01 <Digital_Pioneer> I have the FR as an awesome piece of hardware more than as a phone, personally. :P
Dec 29 17:33:39 <kW> loufoque: I earlier experienced delayed TXT messages, and on Om2008.9 I experienced bugs once in a while which made it necessary to reboot, but after reboot (which still takes 2..3 minutes) everything works
Dec 29 17:33:46 <Digital_Pioneer> So does anyone know what happened to using it as a 3D mouse? From Valerio's blogpost, I would have thought it was mostly done... So where's the app? :(
Dec 29 17:34:06 <seameat> isn't the app ReMoko?
Dec 29 17:34:23 <Digital_Pioneer> seameat: That's the app, but accelerometer mouse appears to be NYI... :(
Dec 29 17:34:31 <loufoque> Digital_Pioneer: what's the G1?
Dec 29 17:34:37 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, ah, i see. i haven't tried it yet
Dec 29 17:34:46 <leinir> loufoque: The first Android phone :)
Dec 29 17:34:48 <Digital_Pioneer> loufoque: HTC Dream. Phone that runs Android.
Dec 29 17:34:52 <seameat> loufoque, G1 is an Android phone
Dec 29 17:35:15 <Digital_Pioneer> Exclusively from T-Mobile.
Dec 29 17:35:19 <Digital_Pioneer> (Bah)
Dec 29 17:36:08 <evolux> loufoque: FSO works really good for phone use
Dec 29 17:36:38 <Digital_Pioneer> loufoque: Anyways, if you get the FR and have GSM trouble, you might look at flashing an upgrade to your GSM chip. Fixed mine. Wouldn't recognize SIM at first.
Dec 29 17:37:00 <Digital_Pioneer> evolux: You have to build FSO yourself don't you? I couldn't find a jffs2...
Dec 29 17:37:42 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, i actually just got back from the AT&T store. they gave me a new SIM, no hassle and it works
Dec 29 17:37:55 <kW> Digital_Pioneer: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/
Dec 29 17:38:06 <Digital_Pioneer> seameat: Yup, mine was a little more persnickety. Heheheh
Dec 29 17:38:16 <Digital_Pioneer> seameat: Yours a 3G?
Dec 29 17:38:32 <Digital_Pioneer> kW: Well what do you know? Thanx!
Dec 29 17:38:34 <evolux> Digital_Pioneer: yes, i used the images kW mentioned
Dec 29 17:38:46 <evolux> Digital_Pioneer: btw, i also had troubles compiling apps with the toolchain
Dec 29 17:38:54 <evolux> Digital_Pioneer: as long as there are no dependencies, it works fine
Dec 29 17:39:01 <evolux> Digital_Pioneer: but my toolchain is also quite old
Dec 29 17:39:06 <Digital_Pioneer> I have an aclocal version mismatch.
Dec 29 17:39:07 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, yes actually
Dec 29 17:39:24 <Digital_Pioneer> It won't even run configure.
Dec 29 17:39:36 <Digital_Pioneer> seameat: Hmm, interesting. So's mine.
Dec 29 17:40:06 <Digital_Pioneer> So what's fso-illume vs. fso-image?
Dec 29 17:40:21 <kW> Digital_Pioneer: I do not know ;-)
Dec 29 17:40:44 <kW> Digital_Pioneer: for myself, I took the biggest image I could find
Dec 29 17:40:47 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm, well, I know what Illume means... So I'll take it. :P
Dec 29 17:47:05 <Digital_Pioneer> Ugh, stupid kernels... This one won't come out of suspension half the time! Ugh.
Dec 29 17:47:22 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, someone recommended the mwester kernel yesterday
Dec 29 17:47:27 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, it works great!
Dec 29 17:47:31 <Digital_Pioneer> That's what I'm using.
Dec 29 17:47:36 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, let me find the link
Dec 29 17:47:41 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, really?!
Dec 29 17:47:48 <Digital_Pioneer> Yup.
Dec 29 17:47:59 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, what distro are you using?
Dec 29 17:48:03 <Digital_Pioneer> Have to pull the stupid batt because it gets stuck in suspension, can't wake the darn thing up
Dec 29 17:48:08 <Digital_Pioneer> SHR.
Dec 29 17:48:26 <seameat> Digital_Pioneer, hmm. i didn't have that problem
Dec 29 17:48:53 <sicu> Digital_Pioneer: i think the illume image lack phone features ... it just illume iirc
Dec 29 17:49:17 <sicu> Digital_Pioneer: so do what kW did and go for the largest one there
Dec 29 17:49:36 <finnarne> hmm. I'm struggling to get my get the modem of my FreeRunner to work. I've been able to use it a couple of times, but then my provider connected my sim to another persons subscription, and now they've reprogrammed it, and I cant get it to work :( 
Dec 29 17:49:38 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, now you tell me. :P
Dec 29 17:50:19 <finnarne> I get ERROR in respons to AT+COPS (sorry for shouting) 
Dec 29 17:50:49 <sicu> hehe ... i only read through the past couple hrs just now ;p
Dec 29 17:53:41 <Dave> SICU
Dec 29 17:54:00 <sicu> =] dave
Dec 29 17:54:13 <sicu> what's new?
Dec 29 17:55:40 <Dave> Certainly not openmoko :P
Dec 29 17:57:38 <sicu> true :/
Dec 29 18:02:51 <Dave> :(
Dec 29 18:03:52 <Dave> I demand reparations!
Dec 29 18:08:02 <Dave> Lorns
Dec 29 18:13:15 * Digital_Pioneer repeairs Dave
Dec 29 18:13:36 <Digital_Pioneer> *repairs
Dec 29 18:14:45 <sicu> ~repair dave
Dec 29 18:14:46 * apt opens the toolbox, picks up the hammer and aims at dave's head
Dec 29 18:15:10 <sicu> aww .. heavy measures
Dec 29 18:15:42 <seameat> lol
Dec 29 18:17:01 <Dave> :p
Dec 29 18:17:10 <Dave> ow
Dec 29 18:17:19 <Dave> sicu... I'LL FIX YOU!
Dec 29 18:19:32 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, there IS a bot in here, ehh?
Dec 29 18:19:37 <Digital_Pioneer> ~help
Dec 29 18:20:13 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, here we are.
Dec 29 18:20:17 <Digital_Pioneer> ~lart Dave
Dec 29 18:20:17 * apt decapitates Dave conan the destroyer style
Dec 29 18:20:44 <[Rui]> hi, can a solar charger like those on http://www.solio.com/charger/explore-solio/tech-spec.html be used for charging a Freerunner?
Dec 29 18:20:44 <Digital_Pioneer> ~lobotomy apt
Dec 29 18:20:45 * apt pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on apt
Dec 29 18:21:22 <[Rui]> I don't understand much of electricity, it has as a DC Output 3V 2A but the OpenMoko charger is 5V 2A
Dec 29 18:21:45 * [Rui] hms... I must've tuned into a MUD instead of IRC... 
Dec 29 18:21:51 <Defiant-_> probably not
Dec 29 18:21:58 <Digital_Pioneer> [Rui]: LOL
Dec 29 18:22:08 <Digital_Pioneer> ~unlobotomy apt
Dec 29 18:22:33 <Dave> go north
Dec 29 18:22:37 <Dave> go east
Dec 29 18:22:51 <Dave> roll onion nw
Dec 29 18:23:09 * [Rui] casts of spell of silence on all those who don't know their electricity enough to help me :)
Dec 29 18:23:11 * Dave :)
Dec 29 18:23:39 <Dave> Rui, in answer to your solar question, I don't see why not.
Dec 29 18:23:55 <[Rui]> Dave: well, I don't see why not either, but I don't see why as well :)
Dec 29 18:24:07 <Digital_Pioneer> ~upsidedown [Rui]
Dec 29 18:24:09 <apt> [ı̣nȢ]
Dec 29 18:24:23 <[Rui]> I don't know if giving it 3V instead of 5V is a problem or not, or which are the consequences.
Dec 29 18:24:30 <[Rui]> is it just a matter of slower charging?
Dec 29 18:24:35 <Defiant-_> [Rui]: no thats A
Dec 29 18:24:46 * Digital_Pioneer loves bots.
Dec 29 18:25:11 <seameat> Dave, lol @ roll onion nw
Dec 29 18:25:17 <[Rui]> Defiant-_: so "probably not" was a message to me?
Dec 29 18:25:24 <Defiant-_> [Rui]: the moko charger might work with 3-5V but there is a high chance it does not (how much does the battery have?)
Dec 29 18:25:28 <Defiant-_> [Rui]: yes
Dec 29 18:26:09 <[Rui]> Defiant-_: in the battery it is written 3.7
Dec 29 18:26:29 <Defiant-_> [Rui]: then its a no instead of probably not
Dec 29 18:26:29 <[Rui]> the DC output of the solio sun charger is 3V 2A
Dec 29 18:27:15 <[Rui]> ouch, my poor brother spent a lot on that and my biggest use case won't work... that's why he shouldn't make this surprise gifts... :(
Dec 29 18:27:30 <Dave> seameat ;D
Dec 29 18:27:51 * Dave high-fives himself and seameat
Dec 29 18:28:04 <Digital_Pioneer> ~nickometer Dave
Dec 29 18:28:05 <apt> 'Dave' is 0.000% lame, digital_pioneer
Dec 29 18:28:09 <Dave> \o/
Dec 29 18:28:12 <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
Dec 29 18:28:24 <Dave> Unlike all YOU lamers.
Dec 29 18:28:31 <Dave> Defiant-_-;
Dec 29 18:28:33 <Digital_Pioneer> ~lart Dave
Dec 29 18:28:34 * apt throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Dave
Dec 29 18:29:01 * jonkristian stabs apt in the head on behalf of Dave
Dec 29 18:29:07 <Digital_Pioneer> ~lart himself
Dec 29 18:29:07 * apt takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays himself in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed
Dec 29 18:30:01 <seameat> Dave, hells yeah
Dec 29 18:30:18 <Dave> :D
Dec 29 18:30:27 <seameat> apt, lol
Dec 29 18:30:28 <apt> methinks lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
Dec 29 18:31:16 <Digital_Pioneer> Haha
Dec 29 18:31:52 <[Rui]> damn.
Dec 29 18:31:56 <[Rui]> Defiant-_: thanks :)
Dec 29 18:32:05 <Defiant-_> [Rui]: sorry to say that
Dec 29 18:32:07 <Dave> apt u
Dec 29 18:32:08 <apt> no jd666
Dec 29 18:32:36 <[Rui]> Defiant-_: what would be the consequences had I plugged them? nothing? I would ruin the battery sooner?
Dec 29 18:33:08 <seameat> apt, heh
Dec 29 18:33:09 <apt> heh
Dec 29 18:33:13 <Defiant-_> [Rui]: That depends on the electronic. I don't know. If you plug it into the openmoko probaly nothing will happen.
Dec 29 18:33:42 <[Rui]> Defiant-_: ah... ok
Dec 29 18:33:52 <Defiant-_> just: Don't use it to charge the battary directly if the battery is not supported
Dec 29 18:33:52 <Digital_Pioneer> Freerunners are smart. :)
Dec 29 18:34:25 <Defiant-_> LiIon batteries can explode...also Lipoly are worse...
Dec 29 18:34:26 * Digital_Pioneer tries FSO.
Dec 29 18:34:44 <[Rui]> Defiant-_: nice
Dec 29 18:34:57 <Montgoss> I've got a quick question.  anyone here?
Dec 29 18:35:04 <Digital_Pioneer> ~lart Montgoss
Dec 29 18:35:04 * apt puts Montgoss into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Montgoss's hair of
Dec 29 18:35:24 <Digital_Pioneer> Montgoss: Yeah, wassup? ;)
Dec 29 18:35:38 <Montgoss> when booting from microsd, can I/how do you mount the internal flash for access?
Dec 29 18:35:43 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, OK, I'll quit playing with the bot.
Dec 29 18:36:16 <Digital_Pioneer> I would expect it would have the same devnode...
Dec 29 18:36:40 <Montgoss> which devnode would that be?  :-/
Dec 29 18:37:22 <Defiant-_> yes the names are really....intuitive 
Dec 29 18:37:26 <Digital_Pioneer> Good question.
Dec 29 18:38:44 <Montgoss> i don't see anything obvious like /dev/internalflash...
Dec 29 18:39:37 <Defiant-_> look for something you would never think of beeing a flash drive. /dev/m.... something with lots of numbers and chars
Dec 29 18:39:47 <Defiant-_> :)
Dec 29 18:40:27 <Montgoss> i've got /dev/mtd# and /dev/mtd#ro for 0 through 6
Dec 29 18:40:40 <Montgoss> and some /dev/mtdblock# for 0 - 6
Dec 29 18:41:24 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, wow. FSO looks really good.
Dec 29 18:41:31 <igor321> who in their right mind would prefer the qtopia keyboard over raster's
Dec 29 18:41:39 <igor321> what's wrong with these om people
Dec 29 18:41:58 <Tm_T> er?
Dec 29 18:42:02 <Defiant-_> everything is better then the om2008.x keyboard
Dec 29 18:42:26 <Defiant-_> oh btw: if you don't know rosetta, check it out - http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/
Dec 29 18:43:32 <Montgoss> i think it's mtdblock6, but it demands i specify a filesystem type, and none of the ones I've tried worked
Dec 29 18:43:50 <Montgoss> it says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtdblock6
Dec 29 18:44:19 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, I take it back. FSO is horrifyingly ugly, Zhone is really good looking. :P
Dec 29 18:45:48 <seameat> heh
Dec 29 18:45:58 <Montgoss> i tried vfat, ext2 and ext3.  same error every time
Dec 29 18:47:05 <[Rui]> igor321: something very wrong, definitly ;)
Dec 29 18:47:12 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, gave FSO a fair shot, back to SHR. :P Can I get Zhone on SHR?
Dec 29 18:47:32 <igor321> Defiant-_: did you try this on the moko?
Dec 29 18:48:06 <[Rui]> zhone is horrible, I wonder if tichy/paroli are already at least just as usable
Dec 29 18:48:24 <igor321> paroli looks really pretty
Dec 29 18:48:30 <igor321> i'm looking forward to it
Dec 29 18:48:59 <Digital_Pioneer> [Rui]: *Shrug* It looked good to me, and it read my texts correctly.
Dec 29 18:49:25 <[Rui]> Digital_Pioneer: yeah, but it definitly sucks
Dec 29 18:49:33 <Digital_Pioneer> [Rui]: Why's that?
Dec 29 18:49:51 <[Rui]> Digital_Pioneer: refresh from screen rotation is so bad I can hardly find the words to define it
Dec 29 18:49:58 <[Rui]> specially during a call...
Dec 29 18:50:11 <Dave> roll rui n across bearskin rug
Dec 29 18:50:19 <jonkristian> Alternatively, you can stand on your head.
Dec 29 18:50:27 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, heheh. I can't figure out how to make it go to speaker, but other that that it's OK with me.
Dec 29 18:50:46 <[Rui]> I'd bother trying to fix if it wasn't being replaced already :)
Dec 29 18:51:00 <Digital_Pioneer> Zhone's getting replaced?
Dec 29 18:51:11 <[Rui]> Digital_Pioneer: yeah, it's just a showcase right now
Dec 29 18:51:29 <[Rui]> «see, it makes calls, sms»
Dec 29 18:51:33 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm. So how do I get Paroli in SHR?
Dec 29 18:51:43 <[Rui]> «it may be a pain to use, but it shows it works»
Dec 29 18:52:18 <[Rui]> Digital_Pioneer: unfortunately, last I checked paroli isn't yet fully migrated to tichy plugins, and tichy wasn't running very well in the fso milestones
Dec 29 18:52:23 <Temris_> Montgoss, try jffs2
Dec 29 18:52:58 <Defiant-_> igor321: installed rosetta yesterday evenning on debian
Dec 29 18:53:01 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm, too bad. :(
Dec 29 18:53:07 <Montgoss> Temris_:  thanks, that was it
Dec 29 18:54:55 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, Paroli screenshots are not exactly pretty, but it looks functional enough.
Dec 29 18:55:29 <[Rui]> Digital_Pioneer: yeah
Dec 29 18:55:41 <[Rui]> Digital_Pioneer: but all I read is that it's a pain to set it up
Dec 29 18:55:53 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah.
Dec 29 18:56:00 <Digital_Pioneer> I'll wait for packages. :)
Dec 29 18:56:19 <Digital_Pioneer> Until then, I'll work with Zhone if I can. If not, the stupid openmoko-* apps. :\
Dec 29 18:58:32 <Montgoss> which alsa state file is used during a phone call?  is it gsmhandset?
Dec 29 19:00:07 <Digital_Pioneer> I would assume.
Dec 29 19:00:31 <Montgoss> i try not to assume  ;-)
Dec 29 19:00:47 <Digital_Pioneer> It's a dangerous habit.
Dec 29 19:09:11 <feitingen> what has happened with portmap in 2008.12?
Dec 29 19:13:06 <Slaxxin> nice community update
Dec 29 19:13:39 <Slaxxin> is it time to move to fso?
Dec 29 19:14:07 <pcfe> if by interrupting an opkg upgrade I managed to remove the wireless entry on a new phone with the Qt image, which package do I want to manually install to get wireless settings back?
Dec 29 19:19:04 <[Rui]> feitingen: is it finally removed by default?
Dec 29 19:19:31 <feitingen> it is nowhere to be found, i cant see it in the repositories
Dec 29 19:20:53 <almien> on SHR, why does the screen dim/blank after a few seconds, and how can I turn that off? (both settings/suspend mode and e/illume's power settings, blank time have no effect)
Dec 29 19:21:00 <[Rui]> feitingen: that's more weird, but it is a good thing that it doesn't come by default anymore!
Dec 29 19:31:21 <btw> for SHR what packages will i have to flash to the phone?
Dec 29 19:32:31 <Digital_Pioneer> btw: You mean what rootfs and kernel?
Dec 29 19:32:44 <btw> yea and do i need the modules packages there?
Dec 29 19:33:10 <Digital_Pioneer> btw: You don't need them, no. Personally, I'd take them just to be sure.
Dec 29 19:33:13 <btw> right now i'm downloading uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 29 19:33:20 <Digital_Pioneer> All needed modules are compiled into the kernel, though.
Dec 29 19:33:41 <Digital_Pioneer> Looks good.
Dec 29 19:33:44 <btw> alright
Dec 29 19:34:03 <btw> if i decide to install the modules how should i do that? i mean - they are not flashable images, are they?
Dec 29 19:34:10 <btw> they appear as a tgz bundle
Dec 29 19:34:25 <Digital_Pioneer> Nope. scp the tgz to the phone, extract it to /
Dec 29 19:34:44 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, you can also just download it directly to the phone. ;)
Dec 29 19:34:50 <btw> right :)
Dec 29 19:35:55 <btw> hmm maybe i could try to put shr on the sd card, the beast will boot up from there too, won't it? :)
Dec 29 19:37:02 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, but it may destroy the card's partition table and nasty things happen.
Dec 29 19:37:38 <btw> oh yea i just went to read about that :)
Dec 29 19:38:24 <btw> well, safe and sure is the way to go then :P i received my unit today so i'm still discovering what's outta there to put on it and how to work with it
Dec 29 19:47:07 <king> I am trying to flash my openmoko with QTExtended and FDOM. I am going to use the mwester-stable kernel images for both. I know that I require the stable-modules too enbale functionality. My question is, how do I load / use / integrate those modules into the kernel?
Dec 29 19:48:11 <king> someone please?
Dec 29 19:50:31 <king> c'mon...
Dec 29 19:51:06 <mwester> I think the page should say how to do that -- but it's a very simple procedure, so easy to miss on the page.  download the tar file with the modules to the phone's "/" dir, then just "tar xzf <tarfile>" to extract them.  Type "depmod -a" for good measure (shouldnt' be required, but just in case), then reboot. 
Dec 29 19:55:39 <king> mwester, Oh you mean that can be done_after_flashing the phone. I thought I will have to integrate it somehow before doing it.
Dec 29 19:55:49 <king> mwester, And yes, I totally missed the info on the page!
Dec 29 19:56:23 <king> mwester, This is treacherous landscape I am traversing through. Don't know a thing I am doing with the phone!
Dec 29 19:58:19 <king> mwester, ‎I understand that I do not need to copy over the modules for the OM2008.12 distro, just for the QTExtended and FDOM. Would you please confirm this?
Dec 29 20:00:01 <mwester> king:  the modules in the root ("/") filesystem must match the kernel that is flashed to the device for each and every distro.  If you flash the kernel that is associated with a particular jffs2 or tar.gz rootfs image, then you need to do nothing additional.
Dec 29 20:00:29 <mwester> If you, regardless of image, flash a different kernel, then you need to locate the matching modules for that kernel and install them into the rootfs you are using.
Dec 29 20:01:51 <king> mwester, Right, so the OM2008.12 update gave me its own kernel so I won't need to copy over the modules, but as FDOM and QTExtended packages ask me to use your kernel packages I will have to copy over the modules. Is this correct?
Dec 29 20:02:32 <mwester> king: True.
Dec 29 20:03:01 <king> mwester, And BTW I couldn't find any kernel that is associated with FDOM or QTExtended, they just gave me link to yours. That means that none exists. Or do they?
Dec 29 20:04:41 <mwester> A kernel existed at one time on the original images from which FDOM and Qt Extended derived their images -- but they choose not to use those kernels, probably because they tended to be older, or less stable.
Dec 29 20:05:06 <Dave> woof woof
Dec 29 20:05:38 <mwester> In general, you should use the kernel that matches a given image, but there some who choose other kernels (either newer, or more stable, or self-built).
Dec 29 20:06:20 <king> mwester, Thanks a lot man! It is nearly dawn here and I am getting really dizzy trying to make sense of all this. 
Dec 29 20:06:50 * king sees how nearly and really rhyme in a nice way
Dec 29 20:07:28 <mwester> You will hurt yourself trying to make sense of some of this... especially the actions of Om-the-company.... :P :D
Dec 29 20:08:59 <king> mwester, I will start getting your internal jokes soon :)
Dec 29 20:09:02 <king> thanks again
Dec 29 20:11:46 <kobh> isnt the 2008.12 gui built around python and gtk?
Dec 29 20:18:25 <kobh> where can i find a list of opkg errorcodes?
Dec 29 20:50:08 <leavittx> hi!
Dec 29 20:50:22 <leavittx> i've just bought om
Dec 29 20:50:23 <leavittx> !
Dec 29 20:50:38 <leavittx> how can I connect to wi-fi?
Dec 29 20:52:03 <kobh> leavittx, search on openmoko.org
Dec 29 20:52:53 <kobh> I am getting a pygtk error, i could not import gtk in python earlier, so i did opkg install python-pygtk. now however i get gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display
Dec 29 20:54:46 <leavittx> hm
Dec 29 20:54:52 <leavittx> what about wifi?
Dec 29 20:55:35 <kobh> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi
Dec 29 20:55:39 <seameat> leavittx, what distro are you using?
Dec 29 20:55:53 <bumbl> leavittx: read the starter guide @ wiki.openmoko.org and then flash a sane distribution
Dec 29 20:56:05 <bumbl> s/sane/sane and actual/
Dec 29 20:56:05 <apt> bumbl meant: leavittx: read the starter guide @ wiki.openmoko.org and then flash a sane and actual distribution
Dec 29 20:56:05 <Digital_Pioneer> kobh: Is DISPLAY set?
Dec 29 20:56:08 <seameat> leavittx, yeah, what bumbl said
Dec 29 20:56:33 <leavittx> ok
Dec 29 20:56:35 <leavittx> sorry
Dec 29 20:56:52 <kobh> Digital_Pioneer, i dont know. how do i do that?
Dec 29 20:56:55 <Temris> kobh, export DISPLAY=:0
Dec 29 20:57:07 <seameat> leavittx, heh no worries. the wiki starter guide is very very helpful
Dec 29 20:57:08 <almien> copying SHR or FDOM to the device will give you 'mofi' as one of the programs on the main desktop, which lets you connect to wifi
Dec 29 20:57:11 <kobh> do i need to do this every time?
Dec 29 20:57:27 <almien> where SHR and FDOM replace all the software on the device in one big upload
Dec 29 20:57:30 <Digital_Pioneer> kobh: Or if you want to be obsessively specific, export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0
Dec 29 20:57:32 <Digital_Pioneer> ;)
Dec 29 20:57:40 <kobh> alright cewl, thanks!
Dec 29 20:57:41 <kobh> but
Dec 29 20:57:46 <kobh> do i need to do this every time?
Dec 29 20:58:17 <Digital_Pioneer> kobh: Whenever you run a GUI program from SSH, you need to export DISPLAY=:0 first.
Dec 29 20:58:33 <kobh> aha
Dec 29 20:58:38 <Digital_Pioneer> I just dropped it into my .bashrc, to make life simple. :)
Dec 29 20:58:49 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: or not use -Y or -X
Dec 29 20:59:03 <kobh> this wont happen if i try to import gtk on the freerunner with my pen and the illume-keyboard then?
Dec 29 20:59:05 <Digital_Pioneer> lindi-: Hmm?
Dec 29 20:59:22 <lindi-> Digital_Pioneer: ah, ignore previous line
Dec 29 20:59:30 <Digital_Pioneer> lindi-: Will do. :)
Dec 29 20:59:48 <Digital_Pioneer> kobh: No. In a GUI terminal, DISPLAY is set because it's being used. :)
Dec 29 20:59:56 <lindi-> i always just attach to the same screen that has right environment variables set
Dec 29 21:00:10 <kobh> oh yes i see
Dec 29 21:00:11 <kobh> thanks a bunch!
Dec 29 21:00:17 <Digital_Pioneer> Sure. :)
Dec 29 21:00:27 <lindi-> $ cat /home/scratch/neo/2008-12-25/home/lindi/.screenrc
Dec 29 21:00:28 <lindi-> setenv DISPLAY :0
Dec 29 21:01:02 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahh, lindi- was smart enough to drop privs too. :P
Dec 29 21:01:26 <kobh> ?
Dec 29 21:01:27 <lindi-> did that ages ago
Dec 29 21:01:28 <kobh> oh btw
Dec 29 21:01:35 <kobh> how did you do this automatically did you say?
Dec 29 21:01:36 <lindi-> after having written some files to /
Dec 29 21:01:41 <kobh> .bashrc? i dont know what that is
Dec 29 21:02:11 <lindi-> (tangogps did not really appreciate HOME=/ very much and decided to create directories under /)
Dec 29 21:02:56 <leavittx> but I have no wifi menu in settings((
Dec 29 21:03:28 <kobh> is that like rc.d123 only for bash instead of runlevels?
Dec 29 21:04:17 <lindi-> kobh: man bash has a long explanation
Dec 29 21:04:27 <Temris> kobh, I would put export DISPLAY=:0 in /home/root/.profile rather than .bashrc, because bash is not always default shell
Dec 29 21:05:26 <kobh> .profile is run every time i login as root?
Dec 29 21:05:52 <leavittx> so?
Dec 29 21:06:00 <Temris> yes
Dec 29 21:06:48 <kobh> cewl, thanks!
Dec 29 21:08:06 <Digital_Pioneer> kobh: ~/.bashrc is a file that gets evaluated by BASH when it starts. The phone does not ship with BASH, however, so you may want to install it. :)
Dec 29 21:10:40 <kobh> by the waykidoki
Dec 29 21:10:44 <kobh> okidoki*
Dec 29 21:10:46 <kobh> also
Dec 29 21:10:58 <kobh> do you know how to make the matchbox-keyboard work?
Dec 29 21:11:30 <kobh> i followed the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
Dec 29 21:11:49 <kobh> but whenever i try to run it, it shows up for a split second while the loading-star is still there and then it disappears
Dec 29 21:11:50 <kobh> ???
Dec 29 21:13:42 <vanous123> anybody knows how to temporarily disable screen blank and suspend on SHR (FSO)? xset seems not to work. need to keep navit visible while driving :)
Dec 29 21:15:48 <lindi-> vanous123: i disabled odeviced.idlenotifier
Dec 29 21:16:37 <almien> lindi-: how do you do that?
Dec 29 21:16:50 <vanous123> lindi-: how did you do it? via mdbus call?
Dec 29 21:16:56 <lindi-> [odeviced.idlenotifier]
Dec 29 21:16:59 <lindi-> disable = 1
Dec 29 21:17:02 <lindi-> in frameworkd.conf
Dec 29 21:17:13 <vanous123> lindi-: i see
Dec 29 21:19:24 <kobh> lindi-, do you know how i can resolve my issue with the keyboard? :-|
Dec 29 21:19:43 <lindi-> kobh: i am using xvkbd
Dec 29 21:20:15 <kobh> on 2008.12?
Dec 29 21:20:25 <lindi-> kobh: with icewm
Dec 29 21:20:25 <kobh> well, 2008.whatever and not qtopia or anything?
Dec 29 21:21:23 <kobh> alright well...
Dec 29 21:23:38 <almien> vanous123: let us know what the battery life turns out to be with screen like that?
Dec 29 21:24:08 <vanous123> almien: well, i have a charger in my car so i keep it plugged
Dec 29 21:24:21 <vanous123> almien: but i can make a test
Dec 29 21:24:24 <vanous123> lindi-: disable = 1 for  [odeviced.idlenotifier] works well, thank you. 
Dec 29 21:24:54 <almien> hmm, didn't work for me. changed it to disable=1 and rebooted, and it's just blanked again
Dec 29 21:25:09 <vanous123> lindi-: would there be a way to change the suspend value by mdbus?
Dec 29 21:26:10 <vanous123> almien: this are my lines  from /etc/frameworkd.conf 
Dec 29 21:26:10 <vanous123> [odeviced.idlenotifier]                                                                                                                                                     
Dec 29 21:26:10 <vanous123> disable = 1                                                                                                                                                                 
Dec 29 21:26:10 <vanous123> #disable screenblank                                                                                                                                                        
Dec 29 21:26:12 <vanous123> suspend = 60                                                                                                                                                                
Dec 29 21:26:15 <vanous123> ignoreinput = 2,3 
Dec 29 21:26:55 <lindi-> almien: i disabled many other susbystems too, maybe they are needed
Dec 29 21:33:54 <peppertarts> Hi all, does anyone know why the daily FSO images are no longer being built? The last build of fso-unstable was early October.
Dec 29 21:35:01 <leavittx> do you reccomend 2008.12?
Dec 29 21:37:02 <peppertarts> I've just tried to do a build using openembedded and I'm getting a segfalt when it attempts to build glibc anyone else hit this problem?
Dec 29 21:37:19 <almien> lindi-: found it - I had entered an extra [odeviced.idlenotifier] section instead of appending to the existing one
Dec 29 21:50:18 <vanous123> lindi-: ok, have done it by mdbus
Dec 29 21:50:31 <vanous123> lindi-: 
Dec 29 21:50:31 <vanous123> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetState busy
Dec 29 21:50:31 <vanous123> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetTimeout idle_dim 0  
Dec 29 21:50:31 <vanous123> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetTimeout suspend 0
Dec 29 21:51:09 <vanous123> lindi-: this is while disable = 0 in fr..d.conf
Dec 29 22:02:38 <peepsalot> anyone interested in buying a freerunner for parts or something.  the usb port is broken, doesn't charge or communicate over USB.  AFAIK it still boots fine if you have a way to charge the battery
Dec 29 22:03:47 <max_posedon> Why do you think that usb is broken?
Dec 29 22:04:31 <max_posedon> My freerunner, for example. works well not with all usb-mini_usb cables, may be your the same.
Dec 29 22:08:12 <peepsalot> max_posedon, because after accidentally tripping over the plugged in USB cable, it no longer seems to charge or communicate over USB.
Dec 29 22:08:30 <Dave> rut roh
Dec 29 22:08:44 <peepsalot> it booted for a while after, but since I can't charge now, I can't confirm 100% that it still boots
Dec 29 22:09:07 <Dave> because you cannot get it to boot, or what?
Dec 29 22:09:16 <mwester> You could try to find someone to fix it -- where are you located?
Dec 29 22:09:56 <peepsalot> i'm in austin, i'm not really interested in getting it fixed for myself.  I don't have enough time to devote to this anymore
Dec 29 22:10:07 <Dave> heh
Dec 29 22:10:14 <Dave> You sound like most of us, now :)
Dec 29 22:10:19 <peepsalot> if anyone wants to buy it cheap they can try their luck at fixing it themselves
Dec 29 22:10:27 <Dave> heh
Dec 29 22:10:38 <peepsalot> or scrap it for parts
Dec 29 22:10:59 <Dave> useless parts
Dec 29 22:11:08 <peepsalot> screen at very least must be worth someting? :-(
Dec 29 22:11:09 <Dave> other than a nice vga display :p
Dec 29 22:11:12 <Dave> right :P
Dec 29 22:13:05 <peepsalot> well, i'd hate to throw it in the trash
Dec 29 22:13:14 * peepsalot sighs
Dec 29 22:13:34 <moritz> before you throw it into the trash, send it to me
Dec 29 22:13:46 <mmontour> peepsalot: I'd list it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Classifieds 
Dec 29 22:17:02 <Dave> oooh!
Dec 29 22:18:54 * mwester opens the cookie jar, and checks to see if there's enough loose change to buy peepsalot's FR
Dec 29 22:20:09 <Dave> heehee :)
Dec 29 22:20:25 <Dave> Mwester, getting Lady Basil an '02? ;)
Dec 29 22:22:02 <mwester> Yep!
Dec 29 22:23:01 <JaMa_> Hi, is there any update on emulating gta02 in qemu?
Dec 29 22:23:25 <anttna> hi all, i'm going to phone 3m tomorrow and enquire about buying some Vikuiti™ Protection Film ARMR200. Has anyone tried it?
Dec 29 22:23:27 <anttna> http://solutions.3m.co.uk/wps/portal/3M/en_GB/vikuiti-uk/home/products-solutions/protection-and-films?WT.svl=Protect2
Dec 29 22:27:50 <anttna> was it something i said? :)
Dec 29 22:28:59 <mwester> Yes.  You said:  "Has anyone tried it?"    :-)  Presumably nobody here right now has tried it!
Dec 29 22:30:24 <anttna> no worries
Dec 29 22:33:49 <Dave> poor peepsalot
Dec 29 22:34:53 * mwester transfers the cookie jar change to paypal, just in case peepsalot is serious.
Dec 29 22:35:08 <Dave> :D
Dec 29 22:35:13 <Dave> Mwester, but are you ? ;)
Dec 29 22:35:35 <peepsalot> $40 + shipping?
Dec 29 22:36:05 <mwester> I grow more and more concerned about the fragile debug board connector each time I plug my gta02 into the debug board -- having one on the debug board at all times would be a good thing. :)
Dec 29 22:36:14 <mwester> peepsalot:  done.
Dec 29 22:36:47 <mwester> send me an email to work out the details when you get a chance: mwester (at) dls (dot) net
Dec 29 22:36:49 <mwester> :)
Dec 29 22:37:41 <peepsalot> ok
Dec 29 22:37:50 <Dave> $40 !?
Dec 29 22:38:49 <lindi-> mwester: could you set that up for running continuous regressions tests? ;)
Dec 29 22:38:58 <peepsalot> oops did I lowball myself?  well it's better payout than the trashcan
Dec 29 22:40:02 <Dave> haha
Dec 29 22:40:11 <Dave> lindi, freetoaster?
Dec 29 22:41:34 * almien using mine to replace £9 alarm clock at the moment ;) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:LED_clock.jpg
Dec 29 22:43:49 <Tig|> almien,  I knew there was a practical use for a freerunner :)   
Dec 29 22:44:46 <Tig|> just a thought, when running it that way,  does the battery last the night :P
Dec 29 22:45:07 <almien> ask me tomorrow
Dec 29 22:45:14 <Tig|> heh
Dec 29 22:45:30 <Tig|> around 10am ?
Dec 29 22:46:28 <Tig|> display seems very bright, is that just the camera or have you cranked up the brightness
Dec 29 22:46:35 <almien> I guess it would be convenient to keep the display on overnight, so that it's properly empty when you need to wake up :(
Dec 29 22:47:07 <almien> oh, that's a 2-sec exposure or something.  but the display is "on" at its normal brightness (just mostly displaying black)
Dec 29 22:47:52 <Tig|> hmmmm the perfect phone for lazy people,  the alarm clock drains all the battery so the alarm does not go off and therefore the phone does not ring when the boss phones to see if you are ok :)
Dec 29 22:48:29 <almien> I need to find the controls to change brightness from within python sometime...  it should ideally get dimmer during the night, and brighter in morning
Dec 29 22:56:08 <almien> to be fair, the normal LED alarm clocks always plug into mains power...
Dec 30 00:30:14 <kd8ikt>  
Dec 30 01:04:00 <StealthCP> need some help with my SHR, looking for a photo browser
Dec 30 01:04:22 <StealthCP> and perhaps a nicer media player, is it possible to use the one from Qtopia?
Dec 30 01:29:28 <kd8ikt> http://www.opkg.org/category_4.html 
Dec 30 01:55:35 <rooly|away> SOOooooo
Dec 30 01:59:35 <max_posedon> I'm SHR user, just did opkg update && opkg upgrade, but phonelog still doesn't working
Dec 30 01:59:58 <max_posedon> error : `The name org.smartphone.opimd was not provided`
Dec 30 02:00:08 <pingvid> aloha all
Dec 30 02:00:17 <rooly|away> allo
Dec 30 02:00:24 <pingvid> who's looking for a job that can script like a sonofabitch
Dec 30 02:00:45 <pingvid> apparently no t 'gopi'
Dec 30 02:00:51 <rooly|away> i can script like a kid...and i'm male...but my mother isn't a dog so...
Dec 30 02:01:07 <pingvid> im hearing a lot of potential
Dec 30 02:01:13 <rooly|away> 'not i' said the dog
Dec 30 02:01:15 <pingvid> you can script in flash?
Dec 30 02:02:01 <rooly|away> jesus christ man. i just said no
Dec 30 02:02:12 <pingvid> it was kinda confusing
Dec 30 02:02:19 <pingvid> i can script like a kid... etc
Dec 30 02:02:34 <rooly|away> that was more a pun
Dec 30 02:02:36 <rooly|away> watch this:
Dec 30 02:02:55 <rooly|away> script like a kid...script kid...script-kiddie
Dec 30 02:04:05 <rooly|away> well
Dec 30 02:04:07 <rooly|away> i thought it was funny
Dec 30 02:04:46 <pingvid> deff dont quit yur day job to be a comedian
Dec 30 02:05:16 <rooly|away> anywho, pingvid maybe you chould check out the developr's channel, or possibly one of the foss flash player communities
Dec 30 02:05:25 <pingvid> wheres that?
Dec 30 02:05:36 <rooly|away> check the topic
Dec 30 02:06:06 <rooly|away> #openmoko-cdevel
Dec 30 02:06:17 <pingvid> thanks
Dec 30 02:06:18 <pingvid> my bad
Dec 30 02:06:22 <rooly|away> np
Dec 30 02:06:24 <rooly|away> here to help
Dec 30 02:07:36 <rooly|away> mmm mm mmm tgif spinach dip
Dec 30 02:08:20 <pingvid> haha dream big buf
Dec 30 02:08:21 <pingvid> bud
Dec 30 02:08:59 <rooly|away> i can't help it...i'm a rather large person
Dec 30 02:09:27 <pingvid> whatever dude - i wish i had a TGIF near me
Dec 30 02:09:38 <rooly|away> oh....i got this from wall mart
Dec 30 02:09:46 <pingvid> either way
Dec 30 02:09:51 <pingvid> fucking canada.
Dec 30 02:10:04 <rooly|away> it IS canada's fault
Dec 30 02:10:17 <rooly|away> whats that phone company that's really asshole-ish in canada?
Dec 30 02:11:59 <pingvid> all
Dec 30 02:12:02 <pingvid> there are three
Dec 30 02:12:08 <pingvid> and the three own all of the little ones
Dec 30 02:12:10 <pingvid> rogers
Dec 30 02:12:11 <pingvid> telus
Dec 30 02:12:30 <rooly|away> mr. rogers telephone company
Dec 30 02:12:34 <pingvid> yes
Dec 30 02:13:23 <pingvid> i gotta get me some wallmart
Dec 30 02:14:02 <rooly|away> try sam's club. then you can get a pallete of tgif spinach dip
Dec 30 02:14:17 <pingvid> while im at it... why dont i just go see lady liberty
Dec 30 02:14:39 <rooly|away> and eat some good ol' fashoined new york pizza
Dec 30 02:15:10 <rooly|away> hey, and since you'll be in the neighborhood, stop by LA and Miami
Dec 30 02:17:58 <pingvid> yeah.. maybe boston?
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