**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 03 02:59:57 2009 Jan 03 02:59:58 how do you flash it then? Jan 03 03:00:28 run dfu util really quickly as soon as i see the backlight come up Jan 03 03:00:46 when u boot it? Jan 03 03:00:50 * balrog-kun only has an early proto and doesn't know what the behaviour is supposed to be on normal hw Jan 03 03:01:14 yeah, just after it flashes the AUX button led for a moment Jan 03 03:01:27 then the backlight starts fading in Jan 03 03:01:28 does it start up USB before that then? Jan 03 03:01:46 that's about the 2nd second of the three second wait Jan 03 03:02:00 so i only got like one second to connect with DFU or terminal Jan 03 03:02:11 christ Jan 03 03:02:14 otherwise it starts to load linux Jan 03 03:02:24 i guess it's easy to change Jan 03 03:02:37 but on the other hand i wouldn't want to wait too long if i just want to boot Jan 03 03:05:50 any other ways to flash it? just take out the SD card would be easy.. Jan 03 03:33:28 will there be more shr ? Jan 03 03:33:51 :?) Jan 03 03:46:04 Hey, I'm getting complaints of bad echoing when I use speakerphone. Jan 03 03:46:17 I understand this is nothing new.... But has a fix been found? Jan 03 03:46:40 Searching the wiki is pointless; every other page has something about echo value > /sys/something Jan 03 03:47:10 Also, the volume has GOT to go up! Jan 03 03:47:36 I can barely hear them, even when using speakerphone. Jan 03 03:47:42 which os? Jan 03 03:48:02 SHR Jan 03 03:48:52 maybe when the next shr comes it will be fixed Jan 03 03:50:31 the mic being directly between the speakers =fail Jan 03 03:51:12 maybe some sound proof tape is in order Jan 03 03:51:12 LOL Jan 03 03:52:20 maybe some silicone closed cell foam would work Jan 03 03:53:01 How about some echo-cancelling software? Jan 03 03:53:03 :P Jan 03 03:53:15 maybe a little hardware noise-cancellation Jan 03 03:53:32 yea some of that Jan 03 03:53:54 but in liu of that, some software noise cancellation Jan 03 03:53:57 lui Jan 03 03:53:59 lue Jan 03 03:54:03 'loo' Jan 03 03:54:06 lew Jan 03 03:54:10 that word Jan 03 03:54:21 Hmm, lieu? Jan 03 03:54:40 lou Jan 03 03:54:42 lol Jan 03 03:54:42 Yes. :) :P Jan 03 03:54:44 Lieu Jan 03 03:54:52 yeah Jan 03 03:55:12 Yeah, I can't really do much to the hardware now. Jan 03 03:57:17 So it automatically swaps out the alsa configs (volumes) when you, say, accept a call or turn on the speakerphone? Jan 03 03:57:39 shouldn't that be implemented already? Jan 03 03:58:11 I would assume... I'm just trying to figure this thing out. Jan 03 03:59:16 can someone help me configure uboot to allow for bigger kernels, i have not used a serial console before and kermit does not like what i am typeing Jan 03 03:59:33 dns53: Use Qi? Jan 03 03:59:58 i could but i would prefer if i didn't have to Jan 03 04:00:10 i like the ability to multi boot of sd card Jan 03 04:00:28 There's always NOR. Jan 03 04:01:11 true but i'd like to try modifying it first Jan 03 04:01:32 not on the wiki? Jan 03 04:01:35 * Digital_Pioneer shrugs. Jan 03 04:01:47 I don't fool with uBoot internals. :) Jan 03 04:02:01 I tried the andy-tracking kernel, it didn't work. Jan 03 04:02:08 So I went back to uBoot. Jan 03 04:02:40 well i type what is on the wiki and kermit complains that it is not a valid command so kermit seems to be processing the commands instead of sending it to the opemnoko Jan 03 04:11:40 ok it works in putty Jan 03 05:46:39 So does anyone know of any echo cancellation working yet? Jan 03 05:47:20 "Working" being a flexible term. Making any noticeable difference, really. Jan 03 05:54:18 Hi Jan 03 05:54:38 Does any body know how to use android's adb under ubuntu ?? Jan 03 05:55:08 I am trying to install an android apk file on free runner which is running android Jan 03 05:56:00 not yet but i'll give it a try when mine boots Jan 03 07:04:35 yay! got my contatcs app to display a (curently unusably basic) gui :) Jan 03 07:41:30 AntonTakk: website? Jan 03 07:42:34 khaije1: none, atm, but tbh, there is nothing to really see yet, the ui curently consists of unlabeled colored boxes Jan 03 07:43:25 what stack are you using? Jan 03 07:43:58 intending to make it use fso once i get it able to do something usefull Jan 03 07:44:32 any particular lang, gui toolkit, or info-store ? Jan 03 07:44:53 c, efl, evolution data server Jan 03 07:45:59 i'm curious about trying some development on the freerunner myself... how did you find using the efl libs? Jan 03 07:46:18 amazingly easy, so far Jan 03 07:47:33 when i looked at it breifly i was a little confused by their evas concept, it seems like it decouples the gui from the application, almost like a appserver template Jan 03 07:47:51 did you have any encounter with this aspect of it? Jan 03 07:47:55 i mean, i have never even used C before starting on this app, and just in the last few hours i have gone from using a demo edje file containing single red square that closes the app to having 90% od the gui layout done in colored boxes Jan 03 07:48:19 yeah, part of what is making building the gui so fast Jan 03 07:48:54 i don't have to recompile the app each time i add an element to the app, only have to rebuild the app when i actually make the app use the button/etc Jan 03 07:49:20 why did you choose to go with c ? Jan 03 07:51:29 familiarity, i have not used C, but i have done some stuff in c++. which makes it far more fmiliar than python for me Jan 03 07:52:47 ook, i am in the process of brushing up on python to play with OM, and so far efl looks like the best gui to use (though i havent looked much at the bindings yet) Jan 03 07:53:23 it seems like one of the biggest problems with the OM project atm is a lack of a common data store, do you have any opinion on that? Jan 03 07:53:39 biggest problem is i haven't been able to get it to actually compile on the fr it's self, so i can't really guage my ui layout :) Jan 03 07:54:33 what about cross-compiling into a package? Jan 03 07:58:32 not really sure how to do that :) Jan 03 07:59:06 but adjusting the gui will be easy anyways, and i won't have to recompile the app for it Jan 03 07:59:17 so i'm not to woried Jan 03 08:08:00 Sean Moss is so funny: Jan 03 08:08:00 This past year, I've had too much email and too much technology. More Jan 03 08:08:00 and more I find myself looking for natural, handmade things. At the same Jan 03 08:08:00 time, though, I'm definitely not willing to give up my technology. I Jan 03 08:08:00 want both a phone that is digital, but in a strange way also analog. I Jan 03 08:08:01 hope to build one next year. Let's see if we can get there! Jan 03 08:13:09 hm a wooden phone with an oled Jan 03 08:58:48 good morning Jan 03 10:10:50 what to do if 2008.12 does not boot from sd with last message 'Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver'? Jan 03 10:12:13 then you used a gta01 image for a gta02 phone? Jan 03 10:13:32 no, i see this message in normally booting 2008.8, 2008.12 just stops in that point Jan 03 10:15:17 oh Jan 03 10:15:22 no idea then Jan 03 10:21:18 the same happend with all testing images later than Nov 27, the Nov 27 boots ok from sd Jan 03 10:24:43 how do you get usb networking working for android, i can ping it but it has no resolv.conf, does it use that? Jan 03 11:12:21 good morning Jan 03 11:25:38 ahoi Jan 03 12:36:43 \join #latex Jan 03 12:37:19 other way round. Jan 03 12:46:58 What's the events/0 bug caused by Jan 03 13:30:59 hello Jan 03 13:47:51 hello Jan 03 13:48:53 Sargun: what is event/0 really doing? Jan 03 13:49:19 apart from eating cpu, that ia Jan 03 13:49:21 haha Jan 03 13:49:25 handling interrupts? Jan 03 13:50:49 so, something causing a lot of interrupts will make event/0 eat cpu, right? Jan 03 13:57:20 feitingen, yes Jan 03 14:06:49 Sargun: so, since streaming stuff over wlan on the sdio bus which is on the glamo chip creates lots of interrupts, would using bluetooth or the usb generate the same amount of interrupts? Jan 03 14:07:02 I have no idea Jan 03 14:07:11 I stay at least 50 feet from hardware Jan 03 14:07:16 I try 60 Jan 03 14:08:42 i like some hardware, the glamo is not something i am fond of Jan 03 14:09:12 feitingen: bluetooth is basically usb from the cpu's point of view Jan 03 14:09:51 feitingen: and the usb uses ohci.. i think.. ohci generates one interrupt per packet (urb) so that may be less interrupts, but probably not a big difference Jan 03 14:10:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r140708477068 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: remove deprecated API in PowerSupply, add some new calls Jan 03 14:10:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r713a0e2b626e 10/ (28 files in 5 dirs): Jan 03 14:10:27 freesmartphone.org: Add the new module kobject patterns that wraps uevent and rtnetlink notifications. Jan 03 14:10:27 freesmartphone.org: This will be used to substitute route some polling in pdp and other modules. Jan 03 14:10:27 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: To assist netlink parsing, we include the cxutil and cxnet packages Jan 03 14:10:29 freesmartphone.org: from python-connexion in the framework. For more details, see Jan 03 14:10:31 freesmartphone.org: http://www.radlinux.org/connexion/wiki Jan 03 14:10:33 freesmartphone.org: Add cxnet and cxutil as per 0.4.6 SVN rev 1681 Jan 03 14:13:05 balrog-kun: so, is there any buses that uses less interrupts? i2c? Jan 03 14:14:43 feitingen: hard to tell.. what kind of bandwidth do you need? Jan 03 14:15:29 or is the problem that the interrupts should be handles in a less cpu intensive way.. Jan 03 14:16:35 That's part of it Jan 03 14:16:47 the ohter part is that the glamo has a 7(?)Mb/s bus. Jan 03 14:16:55 About the speed of a 16 bit ISA card. Jan 03 14:16:59 feitingen: it's various factors.. probably best to base on statistics when comparing rather than the theory Jan 03 14:17:11 And any data transfer to it locks up the CPU Jan 03 14:17:18 Totally Jan 03 14:17:28 feitingen: the openmoko wlan driver should give you 300KB no problem Jan 03 14:17:30 so read 1M/second from the SD, and you've used 13% of CPU Jan 03 14:17:50 feitingen: the USB should give you usb 1.1 speeds, i.e 12MB Jan 03 14:18:02 or mbit.. i don't remember Jan 03 14:18:06 (as the CPU spends 13% of its time getting the data, before any software stuff) Jan 03 14:18:07 bit Jan 03 14:18:08 i think MB/s Jan 03 14:18:21 1Mbyte that is Jan 03 14:18:41 so, using a bus directly connected to the cpu would be better, right? Jan 03 14:18:42 usb1 is going really well to push out a meg. Jan 03 14:18:50 feitingen: yes Jan 03 14:19:01 feitingen: USB isn't in principle heavyweight Jan 03 14:19:21 feitingen: yes, that's the theory Jan 03 14:19:26 Here I would insert benchmark numbers from a test I've just run, but meh. Jan 03 14:19:40 * SpeedEvil has misplaced his neo1973. Jan 03 14:19:44 if you have a poorly written driver, it can make no difference Jan 03 14:19:57 what other buses can i access without breaking my device? Jan 03 14:19:59 Err Jan 03 14:20:09 Ignore that err. Jan 03 14:20:23 feitingen: what are you trying to do again? Jan 03 14:21:27 what range of speeds do you need? Jan 03 14:21:28 SpeedEvil: just thinking out loud.. and i am wondering what i can use to add functionality to my freerunner Jan 03 14:21:40 feitingen: there are I2C and SPI solderable points. Jan 03 14:21:53 balrog-kun: 1 or 2 Mbit would be enough Jan 03 14:22:06 Look who I may have roped into getting a FR: http://forum.tryv6.com/showthread.php?p=15&posted=1#post15 Jan 03 14:22:13 feitingen: are you trying to do fixed hardware extensions? Jan 03 14:23:02 USB is safe. Jan 03 14:23:59 SpeedEvil: yes Jan 03 14:24:14 feitingen, of what? Jan 03 14:24:29 feitingen: I wrote something on exactly this topic on the wiki. Jan 03 14:24:36 Unfortunately, I think it's been moved Jan 03 14:24:52 Basically, there are no good options at all. Jan 03 14:24:55 They all suck Jan 03 14:25:24 USB you can't connect to internally without desoldering the bluetooth module, which means removing the LCD, which is glued down. Jan 03 14:25:39 Or an external wraparound plug Jan 03 14:25:56 any means of getting power other than a battery shim is problematic. Jan 03 14:26:16 The only internal connector - the debug connector is a stupidly fine-pitch one. Jan 03 14:26:28 And will be very costly to source. Jan 03 14:26:37 i think i can use the i2c if i can access it Jan 03 14:26:46 Sure, you can solder to it. Jan 03 14:26:58 That's not a functional product though. Jan 03 14:27:06 and IIRC it will only go to 150kbits/sec Jan 03 14:28:18 SPI may be available too, I forget. Search the wiki for I2C Jan 03 14:28:47 so, hardware hackers are not very catered for Jan 03 14:31:57 disregard that, it is just that software people have an easier job on this it seems Jan 03 14:34:38 Not quite. Jan 03 14:34:47 Hardware hackers are very catered for. Jan 03 14:35:01 There are documented test-points, solder-points, even a debug connector. Jan 03 14:35:07 Schematics! Jan 03 14:35:33 they have open sources schematics Jan 03 14:35:42 But. Jan 03 14:35:43 but the gumstix are slightly easier Jan 03 14:36:03 feitingen, but the gumstix don't have 800 other features that the FR does Jan 03 14:36:12 The hardware sucks from the standpoint of hardware expansion in products that can be easily attached by the user. Jan 03 14:36:19 but there is no other cellphone a open as this Jan 03 14:37:08 true dat. Jan 03 14:37:26 SpeedEvil, doesn't the debug board do I2c? Jan 03 14:37:27 Not quite. Jan 03 14:37:31 Sargun: yes. Jan 03 14:37:44 SpeedEvil, what cell phone is more open? Jan 03 14:37:48 Sargun: but to make a hardware add-on, you need to use the debug connector Jan 03 14:37:56 yeah, just use the debug connector Jan 03 14:37:58 Sargun: the sparkfun 'rotary phone' one IIRC. Jan 03 14:38:09 Sargun: however, that isn't meaningful really. Jan 03 14:38:18 the debug connector is great for hacking. Jan 03 14:38:53 It's very bad for a easy product. Jan 03 14:38:53 For that, you really want USB somehow. Jan 03 14:38:53 Sargun: there is also a phone based on the gumstix Jan 03 14:38:53 wifi on my freerunner, FSO, does not work reliably, connections to my AP often fail. is there some solution? Jan 03 14:39:03 SpeedEvil, it's not that open. Jan 03 14:39:04 And the connector is damn near impossible to source, and very fragile too. Jan 03 14:39:19 SpeedEvil, does it run linux? Jan 03 14:39:43 Sargun: No. IIRC it's a rotary phone, a AVR micro, and a GSM module, and a battery Jan 03 14:40:05 Sargun: but it's got no closed firmware at all other than the GSM. Hence is more open. Jan 03 14:40:08 :) Jan 03 14:40:08 yeah, I know, I just kinda wanted to be an asshole. Jan 03 14:40:16 is there a good wifi gui? Jan 03 14:40:18 Admittedly, it's not actually very useful. Jan 03 14:40:30 SpeedEvil, wait, the FR's software is open other than the GSM firmware Jan 03 14:40:52 Sargun: and the GPS firmware Jan 03 14:40:57 Sargun: and the bluetooth firmware Jan 03 14:40:58 SpeedEvil, ok, two things. Jan 03 14:41:03 Sargun: and the glamo Jan 03 14:41:05 you don't have to use bluetooth. Jan 03 14:41:11 SpeedEvil, glamo doesn't use firmware. Jan 03 14:41:15 or er, yeah Jan 03 14:41:16 nevermind Jan 03 14:41:18 screw you. Jan 03 14:41:40 I mean, if you used all the same features that were in the port-o-rotary, you'd be equally open Jan 03 14:41:40 hehe Jan 03 14:42:02 or closed rather ;-) Jan 03 14:44:30 In other news - more importantly - http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27836?utm_source=onion_rss_daily Jan 03 14:45:28 http://people.openmoko.org/roh/pic/2/thumb/SANY0001.JPG Jan 03 14:45:29 ooh Jan 03 14:45:47 The white Freerunner. it lives. Jan 03 14:45:48 sweet Jan 03 14:45:56 who did that ? Jan 03 14:46:25 I don't know, I was crawling around on OM's server Jan 03 14:46:27 and I found that Jan 03 14:46:28 Wasn't that the very earliest preproduction ones? Jan 03 14:46:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rebb4ade5e6f4 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): odeviced: kernel26: Use common KObjectDispatcher Jan 03 14:46:31 I blame a user named "roh" Jan 03 14:46:41 http://people.openmoko.org/roh/pic/2/thumb/SANY0013.JPG Jan 03 14:46:45 there was white/orange, and one or two all whites Jan 03 14:47:13 that's a neo1973 Jan 03 14:47:16 not a freerunner Jan 03 14:47:23 CVirus, I recently figured that out Jan 03 14:47:28 the cases are compatible IIRC Jan 03 14:47:39 Neo1973 looked cooler Jan 03 14:47:54 feitingen, you could pull I2C, SPI, or serial out of the FR. Jan 03 14:49:29 Sargun: what bandwidtht would i get? Jan 03 14:49:59 nevermind, google is my friend Jan 03 14:52:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1e152891148b 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: fix parameters in KObjectDispatcher callback Jan 03 15:03:27 Hi. When i want to flash the new bootloader for the Om2008.12, wich one should i use? Jan 03 15:04:51 mortenlysgaard: you probably dont need to, your current bootloader will most likely boot it ust fine Jan 03 15:05:15 i havent upgraded my bootloader in 6 months Jan 03 15:05:24 Are there any reason to upgrade it? Jan 03 15:06:17 only if you want qi, and that bootloader should go in NAND, i have never touched my NOR bootloader, and it boots everything i have put on my phone Jan 03 15:06:55 so, i would say no to that unless you want to use Qi instead of u-boot Jan 03 15:06:55 Okay, thanks Jan 03 15:07:15 No way, heard it's way to unstable Jan 03 15:07:46 and it only boots from the sd Jan 03 15:08:31 but i heard it is way faster than u-boot.. i will try it the next time i flashes the phone Jan 03 15:09:03 Hm.. Maybe me to, but only if it's stable Jan 03 15:11:40 Can the android build send recieve calls/sms? Jan 03 15:21:36 Shlee: it can call and receive calls, yes Jan 03 15:22:00 i hear there's some issues with sms on one side though (don't remember whether that was sending or receiving) Jan 03 15:24:29 does someboy remember if the nor uboot on freerunner can charge from wall charger? is there a way to see battery capacity? Jan 03 15:24:47 s/boy/body/ Jan 03 15:24:49 lindi- meant: does somebody remember if the nor uboot on freerunner can charge from wall charger? is there a way to see battery capacity? Jan 03 15:28:38 lindi-: it can from USB, never tested wall charger Jan 03 15:29:13 Is there something new with usb networking on 2008.12, i can't seem to get a connection Jan 03 15:29:46 soltys: is there some version of uboot that can show battery capacity? Jan 03 15:29:52 # neo1973 charger fast Jan 03 15:29:52 not implemented yet Jan 03 15:30:03 nor uboot does not seem to support freerunner specific stuff Jan 03 15:31:01 mortenlysgaard: is usb0 up on both sides? Jan 03 15:31:29 I don't know on the frerunner, it doesn't have a terminal Jan 03 15:31:39 mortenlysgaard: picocom /dev/ttyACM0 Jan 03 15:31:43 mortenlysgaard: works here Jan 03 15:32:11 mortenlysgaard: ah, wrong person :P Jan 03 15:32:25 mortenlysgaard: can't do much develoment with a distro without terminal :) Jan 03 15:33:11 lindi-; No, i know, but i've newer had a problem to connect with it before, even without any terminal Jan 03 15:33:21 soltys: i'd like to know if this is charging or really only "play_only" as 'neo1973 charger status' says Jan 03 15:35:48 mortenlysgaard: to get a connection you must reboot it after the first boot Jan 03 15:35:55 sounds weird, but works Jan 03 15:38:00 feitingen; Ja, fant ut det ;) Jan 03 15:38:10 feitingen; Det virker n� Jan 03 15:41:14 lindi-: dont know how to check... i just plug it to USB and boot ;) Jan 03 15:41:49 soltys: hmm Jan 03 16:17:50 ahoi Jan 03 16:18:31 hi :) Jan 03 16:21:44 i forget, where was expos fetching its modules? Jan 03 16:22:10 i need to edit the bluetooth on/off thing Jan 03 16:22:55 hi Jan 03 16:22:59 im trying to use a bluetooth keyboard Jan 03 16:23:02 i've never used one before Jan 03 16:23:10 i follwed the instructions on teh wiki Jan 03 16:23:12 whenever i turn on bluetooth i have to restart the bluetooth daemon, so i thought the settings gui should do it Jan 03 16:23:19 and the keyboard somewhat works, but a lot of buttons dont work Jan 03 16:23:32 orzo: i am using one now on the moko ;) Jan 03 16:23:34 for exapmle, the letter E consistently doesnt show when i press it Jan 03 16:23:58 orzo: what keyboard? Jan 03 16:23:58 well i'm wondering if i have a defective keyboard or if theres something that could go wrong and cause this Jan 03 16:24:22 Xema Bluetooth keybard, aka BT600, aka Freedom keyboard Jan 03 16:24:26 Es aro usoloss anyway Jan 03 16:25:03 try to start xev and see if it registers something when you press it, i had to make a xmodmap file for my keyboard Jan 03 16:25:13 well Jan 03 16:25:17 i'm just looking at the console now Jan 03 16:25:19 not x Jan 03 16:25:22 it didnt work in x Jan 03 16:25:25 but it semi works in the console Jan 03 16:25:42 many of the keys work, but some dont Jan 03 16:25:45 you used hidd right? Jan 03 16:25:48 yes Jan 03 16:26:01 if some keys work, they all should, right? Jan 03 16:26:14 i mean i cant login because i have to type an e Jan 03 16:26:37 well, some bluetooth keyboards have weird keymaps and need modification Jan 03 16:26:42 oh Jan 03 16:26:49 ok Jan 03 16:26:52 well then Jan 03 16:27:14 should i set it up for X and nevermind the console? Jan 03 16:27:47 that was what i did Jan 03 16:28:28 Hi. I just changed the root password on my freerunner, and ssh stopped working. Any way to get it back? I tried resetting the password to no avail. Jan 03 16:28:56 i suppose i need to add it in xorg.conf Jan 03 16:29:08 i'm using debian heh Jan 03 16:31:42 i added a line in /etc/X11/Xsession, with debian, tilde/.Xmodmap should work Jan 03 16:32:12 intrestring comments Jan 03 16:34:55 Anyone knows what's the laste news/fix on the echo issue? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 Jan 03 16:35:12 what do i put in xorg.conf? Jan 03 16:35:19 for the keyboard Jan 03 16:35:21 it has no entry Jan 03 16:36:58 Sean answers some questions by the community Jan 03 16:37:23 i had to scroll down manually Jan 03 16:38:49 orzo, there should not be anything there about the keyboard Jan 03 16:42:42 feitingen: i see a cached gentoo wiki page showing a InputDevice section using driver evdev for a bluetooth keyboard Jan 03 16:44:02 orzo: that may work for you, but i didnt touch my xorg.conf Jan 03 16:44:29 does your xorg.conf have anything for a keyboard? Jan 03 16:55:06 orzo: i cant see that i have any xorg.conf file, i am still on the 2008.12 Jan 03 16:56:27 hi, I released the first version of ecalc -> opkg install http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/ecalc_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk Jan 03 16:57:44 mortenlysgaard: afaik i don't have any echo anymore Jan 03 16:58:07 sylar91: wow, thanks! Jan 03 16:58:21 mortenlysgaard: i'm using a patched fso Jan 03 16:58:33 feitingen: feedbacks? :) Jan 03 16:59:03 as soon as i have installed it ;) Jan 03 16:59:36 faitingen: ah ok, I thought you have already done the installation :) Jan 03 17:00:22 hm Jan 03 17:00:28 (EE) Bluetooth Keyboard: cannot open input pEvdev Jan 03 17:02:28 sylar91: edje.c_edje.EdjeLoadError: Does not exist (file='main.edj', group='main') Jan 03 17:02:48 by the way, how far is the wikipedia-on-freerunner project? Jan 03 17:02:51 evolux; Where did you get that patched wersion Jan 03 17:02:59 mortenlysgaard: hm, let me see Jan 03 17:03:08 feitingen: you have to "cd /usr/share" before to run ecalc Jan 03 17:03:10 i had wikipedia running on FDOM Jan 03 17:03:50 feitingen: sorry but I haven't included a .desktop file to do this automatically so you have to create one yourself Jan 03 17:04:05 feitingen: now it runs? Jan 03 17:04:42 mortenlysgaard: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414 Jan 03 17:04:53 mortenlysgaard: search for N0187 Jan 03 17:04:54 sorry, cd /usr/bin Jan 03 17:05:38 Ah, stupid i don't have fso Jan 03 17:06:06 =( Jan 03 17:06:17 mortenlysgaard: what do you have? Jan 03 17:06:29 Om2008.12 Jan 03 17:06:34 sylar91: that is a pretty cool calculator app :D Jan 03 17:07:18 feitingen: thanks! Jan 03 17:07:54 mortenlysgaard: ok, then you cannot use that, sorry Jan 03 17:08:53 evolux; How's fso working for you now, stable? Jan 03 17:09:32 feitingen; Hvilken bl�tannthumbpad er det du bruker? Jan 03 17:09:42 mortenlysgaard: it's the best distro i had Jan 03 17:09:52 mortenlysgaard: though i didn't try 2008.12 but only fdom Jan 03 17:10:07 mortenlysgaard: it's fast and quite stable and suspend works Jan 03 17:10:28 evolux; Do you use it as a phone? Jan 03 17:10:33 mortenlysgaard: but the pim software is limited to sim-card features Jan 03 17:10:43 sometimes i miss some smses Jan 03 17:11:05 but it even wakes up for a call and that also fast enough Jan 03 17:11:10 evolux; Yeah, i had that problem too, and i couldn't see any call log Jan 03 17:11:24 ah yeah, fso does not have a call log Jan 03 17:11:31 at least i think Jan 03 17:12:58 fso is still very primitive, but i hope they catch up :) Jan 03 17:13:39 It will, qt is just a temorary thing, untill we've got something better Jan 03 17:13:47 sometimes it is better to be primitve than bloated and slow ;-) Jan 03 17:14:27 by the way, is anybody interested in a usable offline wikipedia? Jan 03 17:14:29 fso seems to be very slow for me, but so does qt Jan 03 17:14:54 unless i use qt outside of x, but that is out of the question Jan 03 17:15:17 mortenlysgaard: i use the targus ACB31UK Jan 03 17:15:49 and sometimes an apple keyboard Jan 03 17:19:45 feitingen; Ikke dumt Jan 03 17:26:05 I had an outgoing call and got an incomming which I rejected. The GUI showed that an outgoing call was active also after the other end hung up. I lost my GPRS link also. There was no way to exit the GUI that showed an active outgoing call. I use SHR. Is this a known bug? Jan 03 18:12:34 how to restore gsmhandstate.state ? Jan 03 18:14:00 alsactl -f gsmhandstate.state restore ? Jan 03 18:16:20 yea Jan 03 18:16:33 or yay Jan 03 18:16:38 yay Jan 03 18:17:05 too many settings Jan 03 18:17:39 nobody taken the time to edit alsa? Jan 03 18:24:32 settings all necessary? Jan 03 19:35:09 does hackable:1 has the same sd corruption problem that debian has? Jan 03 19:36:21 <^wd^> what problem has debian? Jan 03 19:38:38 no suspend it corrupts the partition table Jan 03 19:38:46 *on Jan 03 19:41:28 suspend for long times that is, because it was working ok yesterday Jan 03 19:42:59 Hello, I am looking to make some buttons that i can push with the pen, i want the buttons to send keystrokes when pushed but i don't know how to do this; how do you simulate keystrokes on the openmoko (or in linux)? Preferably using Python Jan 03 19:45:59