**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009 Jan 13 03:01:18 you don't even have to *do* anything for that to happen! :D Jan 13 03:15:50 yup Jan 13 03:16:13 which u use mwester? 4.4.2? Jan 13 03:16:34 shr? Jan 13 03:17:17 well see if it was the mplayer install Jan 13 03:17:34 echo "arch base 50" > /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf Jan 13 03:17:34 > echo "src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base" >> /etc/opkg/angstrom-feed.conf Jan 13 03:17:49 would that mess up 2008.12? Jan 13 03:18:00 -< Jan 13 03:18:12 _> Jan 13 03:33:42 Sargun: Have you had your vi today? Jan 13 03:38:45 heh Jan 13 03:55:27 hi Jan 13 06:53:47 good morning Jan 13 08:54:47 good morning Jan 13 09:49:03 hello guys Jan 13 10:32:09 hey all Jan 13 10:33:02 anyone hosting an .ipk of ipkg-utils, or is it still on a 'compile only' basis (for FR's architechture)? Jan 13 12:09:26 what do people like for network service discovery on WIFI? Jan 13 12:11:26 gambler: iwlist eth0 scan Jan 13 12:11:59 woow, SHR looks very good Jan 13 12:12:02 lindi-, i mean at a higher level. Jan 13 12:12:34 Is it true that FSO will be a "base" for Om200x.x distros? Jan 13 12:12:38 lindi-, eg. for nearby printers for example Jan 13 12:13:44 anyone know how to change the xoo screen size ? Jan 13 12:14:15 its tooo big , i changed the resolution to 1280 and it only shows half of it Jan 13 12:14:38 gambler: i don't automatically discover printers :) Jan 13 12:20:36 gambler: provide buttons for that Jan 13 12:20:45 so users can start the detection Jan 13 12:20:55 so it is in their hands wether to discover or not Jan 13 12:21:55 guys anyone has info on xoo ? Jan 13 12:39:27 gambler: xoo? Jan 13 13:18:14 gambler: avahi-discover or something like that should do it Jan 13 13:18:30 (if you have avahi, if not you can't really discover, i think) Jan 13 13:19:28 ping -b 255.255.255.255 Jan 13 13:19:31 :D Jan 13 13:19:34 + nmap Jan 13 13:19:41 heh Jan 13 14:01:32 is there any localization projects for openmoko ? Jan 13 14:03:04 or at least a localization system ? Jan 13 14:04:58 or the system has to be done separate and every app should be done separate to Jan 13 14:06:15 gfather: if apps uses (gettext or similar); then yes; done Jan 13 14:06:23 * zash__ had to do it Jan 13 14:06:38 BASH! Jan 13 14:07:36 hi. i am suffering under the bug #666, i am usign shr. i tried serveral time this thing with flashing gsm, how it is descriped in wiki.openmoko.org Jan 13 14:09:07 gfather: gettext is supposed to give you files in a format similar to orig="Some string to be translated" \n translated="En textsträng att översättas" Jan 13 14:09:09 i first tried the moko10.m0, then i tried the moko8.m0 Jan 13 14:09:41 gfather: the wiki is somewhat translated Jan 13 14:10:02 ahh , well that dosent help :) Jan 13 14:10:07 not for me Jan 13 14:10:25 i mean the wiki translation Jan 13 14:11:58 gfather: look for .po or .pot-files Jan 13 14:12:45 gfather: http://p.zash.se/s7g2wQ.txt Jan 13 14:12:53 .po is it Jan 13 14:13:25 if its .po Jan 13 14:13:36 that will help allot in translating Jan 13 14:13:58 another question Jan 13 14:14:11 do u know how to resize xoo screen /? Jan 13 14:14:32 gfather: haven't tried xoo Jan 13 14:15:09 if you can't resize with alt + middle-click-dragging Jan 13 14:15:24 or there is some -geometry 123x234 somewhere Jan 13 14:16:25 no Jan 13 14:17:28 then no idea Jan 13 14:17:52 maybe its controled by the xml file Jan 13 14:17:56 ill chek it now Jan 13 14:18:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnest <- it does say -geometry there, as a param to Xnest Jan 13 14:22:26 does anyone have a idea why my freerunner always says that my pin is wrong? Jan 13 14:28:07 an question easier to answer...how do i make sure that nothing is acessing gsm? Jan 13 14:29:12 root_at: kill everything accessing the modem /dev node Jan 13 14:29:45 should say somewhere on the wiki what it's called Jan 13 14:29:45 and to look up the processes i use lsof or fuser? Jan 13 14:29:59 i think so Jan 13 14:31:24 zash__: there is only written that i should kill every process accessing it, not how to do that Jan 13 14:31:53 root_at: kill $PID Jan 13 14:32:12 root_at: or kill -9 $PID Jan 13 14:32:27 stop the service if it's a service Jan 13 14:32:43 echo $PID receives nothing Jan 13 14:32:59 gfather: the om releases used gtk+, and some gnome-stuff like evolution-data-server Jan 13 14:33:01 well, i don't know the damned pid of your app :-/ Jan 13 14:33:04 gfather: i think Jan 13 14:33:50 root_at: get fuser or lsof to give you the $PID Jan 13 14:34:09 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r45cbd2739234 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add a simple GSM cell monitor Jan 13 14:34:41 lsof $PID receives very much : O Jan 13 14:35:09 this xoo thing is to anoying , ill wait to get my freerunner Jan 13 14:35:14 hahahaha Jan 13 14:35:19 root_at: lsof /dev/gsm Jan 13 14:35:32 that'll give you the processes accessing the gsm chip Jan 13 14:35:39 and their pids Jan 13 14:36:11 there is no /dev/gsm Jan 13 14:36:26 and xoo thing is to confucing :) Jan 13 14:36:31 aaaaaaaaaaaaah Jan 13 14:36:50 root_at: replace /dev/gsm with the device of the damned gsp chip Jan 13 14:37:08 i don't know it because my freerunner is only supposed to arrive sometime tomorrow Jan 13 14:37:25 root_at: try lsof | grep gsm Jan 13 14:38:19 so in om all the software runs directly as root? Jan 13 14:38:21 root_at: i would recomend you read up some on *nix basics ;) Jan 13 14:38:30 or as a user who has sudo priviledges? Jan 13 14:38:56 soul9: unless they fixed it recently, there is only root Jan 13 14:39:03 after a lil bit of waiting it receives only the gsm process itself Jan 13 14:41:51 should i kill it? i did this once before, but then the flashing doesnt even work Jan 13 14:42:37 root_at: what are you trying to do? Jan 13 14:42:45 exept killing stuff Jan 13 14:43:27 i want to get my sim working..it always tells me that the pin is wrong, but he is right for sure Jan 13 14:43:40 now i need to flash gsm with any other firmware Jan 13 14:43:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Jan 13 14:45:13 is /dev/ttySAC0 the modem? Jan 13 14:45:46 oh xD seems to be the modem Jan 13 14:46:05 then lsof /dev/ttySAC0 should give you a table of stuff accessing that Jan 13 14:46:52 take the second column, which should be numbers, and kill -9 $thenumbers Jan 13 14:47:00 then do the lsof again Jan 13 14:47:02 again only the gsm process...btw i have ttySAC0 , 1 and 2 Jan 13 14:47:20 on 1 access nothing, on 2 getty Jan 13 14:48:20 does this matter? Jan 13 14:48:59 ttySAC0, 1, 2 as in ttySAC0, tty1, tty2 or ttySAC0, ttySAC1, ttySAC2 ? Jan 13 14:49:36 i would guess that ttySAC* is multiplexing-thingys Jan 13 14:51:55 ttySAC* are the physical serial ports on the device; ttySAC0 is the GSM modem, ttySAC1 is the GPS, and ttySAC2 is the console (connected to nothing unless you have a debug board). Jan 13 14:52:03 there is only ttySAC0 ttySAC1 ttySAC2 Jan 13 14:52:07 mwester: ack Jan 13 14:52:19 root_at: then only kill stuff on ttySAC0 Jan 13 14:52:21 thanks mwester Jan 13 14:52:47 lsof /dev/ttySAC0 | awk '{print $2}' | sort -nu | xargs kill -9 Jan 13 14:52:49 perhaps Jan 13 14:52:50 i did already...but now fluid always does nothing..when i first flahed a new firmware i didnt kill the gsm process and it at least flashed Jan 13 14:52:51 should work Jan 13 14:53:14 mwester: gta04 should have a serial port and come with a null modem cable! :-D Jan 13 14:53:47 * mwester is rather doubting that we'll ever see a gta0x > 3 Jan 13 14:54:07 mwester: why is that? Jan 13 14:55:32 How long has it been since the gta01 was first shipped --- and STILL the kernel cannot suspend/resume reliably... not to mention all the other very fundamental problems yet remaining. So with the introduction of the developers version of the google phone, and the new palm entry, there's a lot of competition for linux-capable smartphone hardware. Jan 13 14:56:45 mwester: sorry but palm is no alternative Jan 13 14:56:54 gui only with html and js sucks Jan 13 14:56:57 You simply have to look at the market space, and ask what it is that will sell phones for Openmoko-the-company, if they cannot fix the fundamental hardware support? I.e. open hardware is cool, but non-functioning open hardware is really no different from closed-hardware. Jan 13 14:57:02 (+css) Jan 13 14:57:05 bumbl: with linux under it! Jan 13 14:57:11 i think i will reflash shr and the root fs...may it helps Jan 13 14:57:25 zash__: limo uses linux too Jan 13 14:57:29 bumbl: the discussion is not on the software stack, it is on the hardware + the linux os ;) Jan 13 14:57:32 locked down nevertheless Jan 13 14:57:33 bumbl: in theory you should be able to replace the linux+webbrowseros with gnu/linux Jan 13 14:57:48 FSO already supports other hardware. Jan 13 14:58:05 yeah i know Jan 13 14:58:44 mwester: openmoko will serve its niche Jan 13 14:58:54 bumbl: No, you miss my point. Jan 13 14:59:17 could be Jan 13 14:59:23 bumbl: IF openmoko has found a niche, but cannot serve it because of broken hardware/missing OS support, my point is that OTHER vendors will fill that niche. Jan 13 14:59:34 yeah Jan 13 14:59:52 Openmoko has proven that there is a market for this device... now they must defend it from competition. Jan 13 15:00:04 but at the moment they are still alone in the niche "open" hardware open software Jan 13 15:00:11 I wonder if they are able to do that, as they cannot seem to focus on what is important to the users. Jan 13 15:00:41 but yes I think they will die soon if they can't deliver up to date hardware and working software soon Jan 13 15:00:50 bumbl: not so alone at all. You can buy the "unlocked" hardware used by the google phone. Jan 13 15:00:51 hm bad translation but there is a german proverb: competition enlivens the business (probably a bad translation of 'konkurrenz belebt das geschaeft') Jan 13 15:01:09 up to date hardware includes 3.75G Jan 13 15:01:43 henk: I think that is true -- perhaps a little competition is *exactly* what Openmoko needs Jan 13 15:01:44 mwester: you don't have the schematics - can't yet run debian/gentoo on it, etc Jan 13 15:02:06 but i think i got your point Jan 13 15:02:12 bumbl: lack of schematics has been inconvenient but not a problem for many many other reverse-engineering projects. Jan 13 15:02:17 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rd9d0a80e5444 10/src/zhone: display some more info in the GSM monitor Jan 13 15:04:06 bumbl: consider this thought -- if Nokia were to add a GSM to the basic design of the N800/N810 tablets, and turn that into a phone that would run all the same software (and kernel) as the N8x0 tablets, wouldn't we see a large number of the Openmoko users adopt that device with all the already-existing software? Jan 13 15:04:22 mwester: i think the combination of the new kernel with fso may solve a lot of the usability/reliability problems Jan 13 15:05:06 mwester: i think we all agree that the current official openmoko software sucks and that the alternatives miss loads of different things - the current hardware design is far from being perfect too Jan 13 15:05:19 and there won't be a change soon Jan 13 15:05:24 I think the only reason that hasn't happened is because nokia doesn't consider the market big enough -- but if Openmoko, Android, and perhaps another company were to enter the space of semi-open linux-based smartphones, then one wonders if Nokia would move in -- and crush the competition. Jan 13 15:05:48 but still openmoko with fic has a good chance to survive Jan 13 15:06:01 they just have to provide better hardware Jan 13 15:06:06 bumbl: You're right :( It's sad, too -- now the position is that the gta03 is the go-to-market phone. How many chances does a company expect in order to get the basic hardware working? :( Jan 13 15:06:07 bugfree hardware Jan 13 15:06:36 i would buy a n8x0 immediatly if they would ship with gsm Jan 13 15:06:53 as the n8x0 runs kde fast Jan 13 15:07:13 and nokia pays developers for adapting kde even further Jan 13 15:07:26 bumbl: yes, i sincerely hope om has learned from it's hardware mistakes and will not make them again Jan 13 15:07:51 mwester: the problem is - who will buy gta03 Jan 13 15:08:18 gta02 owners won't at the beginning as they know that there might be unexpected errors Jan 13 15:08:27 Well, Openmoko expects that everyone who has bought the gta02 will go out and buy a gta03, so that they get working hardware. Jan 13 15:08:34 and john doe won't buy it because the hardware is outdated Jan 13 15:09:00 mwester: well I won't Jan 13 15:09:13 for tinkering the gta02 is enough Jan 13 15:09:15 bumbl: not having 3g or better doesn't make the hardware outdated Jan 13 15:09:35 AntonTakk: the soc isn't that new either Jan 13 15:09:42 The SoC is not well-suited. Jan 13 15:09:43 although it is far more powerful Jan 13 15:09:49 if i reflash the rootfs and the kernel, does this also effect the gsm modem? Jan 13 15:09:57 root_at: no Jan 13 15:10:01 root_at: no Jan 13 15:10:23 shit -.- ok what can i do if fluid does nothing at all every time? Jan 13 15:10:58 and i personally want to have a hardware keyboard in my next phone Jan 13 15:11:03 as gta03 lacks that Jan 13 15:11:13 i probably won't buy it Jan 13 15:13:43 we don't know for sure that gta03 lacks a keyboard, i fear it is likely, but we don't know for sure Jan 13 15:14:19 mwester: what makes the SoC not well suited? Jan 13 15:14:55 AntonTakk: hardware keyboards are hard to construct - i don't think gta03 wich should be an updated gta02 will have that one Jan 13 15:15:13 and the hardware sliding mechanics are patented afaik Jan 13 15:15:21 bumbl: case re-design was one of the planned changes Jan 13 15:16:18 It's generally lagging in a number of ways, compared to newer SoC designs. The ones that I think are most pertinent are the lack of zero-clock (TI OMAP can do that, massive power savings potential there, used in the N8x0 devices), and the arm core is an arm4 design, which has some other limitations. Jan 13 15:16:40 i just say it is very doubtfully that it will have that as it is very hard to do Jan 13 15:17:27 One can argue about other, more minor, things too, I expect, but few of those would be as visible to the end developers, I expect. But that's just my opinion, perhaps there are other much more capable SoC's out there (e.g. raster woudl know if there are some with better graphics on-chip). Jan 13 15:17:47 wow, so everything runs as root? Jan 13 15:17:54 damn, that aint very nice Jan 13 15:17:57 soul9: right now it does. Jan 13 15:18:24 what about qtopia? Jan 13 15:18:31 soul9: but it's not a serious security issue, as usually the phone will crash before a hacker can do any damage. ;) :P Jan 13 15:18:48 :-D Jan 13 15:18:49 soul9: qtopia is the same. Jan 13 15:18:52 mwester: i had the chance to ask raster about it a day or so ago, he seemed reasonably pleased with the 6410 on-chip gfx Jan 13 15:19:04 That's good then. Jan 13 15:19:11 ok Jan 13 15:19:34 well, at least now i now of a way to improve om without even having the phone yet ;-) Jan 13 15:19:42 root_at: GSM modem isn't touched unless you start messing around with FLUID Jan 13 15:19:51 soul9: we all hope and pray that some day, perhaps, if we get lucky, and live that long, that just maybe having everything running as root will be the most serious issue facing the device. Jan 13 15:20:07 yeah Jan 13 15:20:12 hope i didnt fuck it up : / Jan 13 15:20:21 root_at: did you play with FLUID? Jan 13 15:20:27 root_at: that's harder to do than the wiki implies Jan 13 15:21:21 soul9: openmoko leaves this to the community Jan 13 15:21:26 root_at: review the mailing lists for information on others who have had (and solved) similar problems, and review the wiki pages very carefully for instructions. if you miss *anything*, the most likely result is that the GSM won't talk to you. Jan 13 15:21:30 Or to fluid for that matter. Jan 13 15:21:52 bumbl: yes, and i'm part of the community, right? Jan 13 15:21:59 i just tried to flash this firmware then this again, then this...several times Jan 13 15:22:03 ;-p Jan 13 15:23:10 soul9: you are Jan 13 15:23:18 so if you want to start Jan 13 15:23:20 start Jan 13 15:23:22 :p Jan 13 15:23:46 whats unreliable about 2008.12's suspend Jan 13 15:23:46 :-) Jan 13 15:23:48 but first fix the angstrom "bug" that the root directory is /home/root Jan 13 15:24:07 not yet, i have to recieve my phone before that Jan 13 15:24:12 Slaxxer: the bouncing calypso Jan 13 15:24:30 i dont get that problem Jan 13 15:24:39 lucky you Jan 13 15:24:50 i don't get it often either Jan 13 15:25:00 is a certain set of serial #'s that it happens to? Jan 13 15:25:48 afaik a firmwarebug Jan 13 15:25:59 + certain circumstances Jan 13 15:26:43 bumbl: just use the workaround Jan 13 15:27:20 ultra unstable wth Jan 13 15:28:14 ultra unstable boots shr/ Jan 13 15:28:18 ? Jan 13 15:28:44 is that the same as uberunstable? Jan 13 15:30:42 soul9: you can use qemu Jan 13 15:32:20 lindi-: i use the workaround Jan 13 15:32:33 but the workaround needs quite some battery time Jan 13 15:33:51 bumbl: have you measured that? Jan 13 15:38:22 131 megs yikes Jan 13 15:47:12 what could i do if the pin request doesnt show up? is there no command for the pin request? Jan 13 15:47:24 i am using shr, btw Jan 13 15:51:40 root_at, you can do it manually) Jan 13 15:51:52 but for latest SHR sim doesn't work at all. Jan 13 15:52:14 rly? y i am trying this^^ which kernel should i use then? Jan 13 15:54:16 I don't think that it is connected with kernel, I suggest you just take previos versions, not "ultraunstable" Jan 13 15:55:58 ohh a patch for qte 4.4. Jan 13 15:56:06 .2 for noise reduction \o/ Jan 13 15:58:59 max_posedon: can u tell me plz with which kernel/rootfs it will work? Jan 13 15:59:16 and how i can start the pin request manually? Jan 13 15:59:28 2.6.24 + 20081216 worked for me. Jan 13 15:59:46 You can send auth code directly via dbus: like this: Jan 13 16:00:18 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SendAuthCo Jan 13 16:00:18 de YOUR_PIN Jan 13 16:00:32 sry, i am tottaly new to this whole freerunner thing...2.6.24 seems to be the kernel, but 20081216? and where do i get it from? Jan 13 16:00:50 As for me - I disabled pin asking for SIM at all. Jan 13 16:01:14 http://build.shr-project.org/ Jan 13 16:01:33 and if you really new - I suggest you take qtopia or openmoko for begging Jan 13 16:01:49 anyway you should spend few hours at wiki.openmoko.org Jan 13 16:04:19 lindi-: not measured - just before that fix there was a time when i had 3-4 days standby time Jan 13 16:05:11 henk: oh Jan 13 16:05:21 well, for these two days i won't set up qemu.. Jan 13 16:06:17 i flashed this kernel http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ and this rootfs http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2 - so it isnt from ultraunstable Jan 13 16:07:33 Sargun: Have you had your vi today? Jan 13 16:07:39 bumbl: would be useful to measure Jan 13 16:08:01 root_at, neo1973?! Jan 13 16:08:12 yeah, someone told me to get this one Jan 13 16:08:40 i also mentioned that its from neo1973, he said it needs to be there, but u see in the filename, there is written gta02 Jan 13 16:13:39 isnt is ok? which did u take? Jan 13 16:28:15 root_at, I use om-gta02 versions (for kernel and rootfs) Jan 13 16:28:44 ou, so u dont use shr. Jan 13 16:38:21 what is SHR? Jan 13 16:39:18 its an advanced fso Jan 13 16:39:28 You shouldn't use it until you know what are you doint (c) SHR Team Jan 13 16:39:39 lololol Jan 13 16:40:21 an image from before 12-16.2008 is ok Jan 13 16:42:01 theres an ultra unstable to try if u are just trying out stuff Jan 13 16:42:42 if u are in a hurry to just install something that works do 2008.12 Jan 13 16:42:54 i want to try out things, but i also want to use it as my daily phone Jan 13 16:42:59 or pre 12-16-2008shr Jan 13 16:43:23 well lets doit Jan 13 16:43:35 does the rootfs and the kernel have to be pro 12-16-2008? my rootfs is from 12-16-2008 Jan 13 16:43:40 pre* Jan 13 16:44:35 the kernel takes 7 seconds to flash so yes please use matching kenels when u flash Jan 13 16:44:58 correct me if im wrong Jan 13 16:45:42 non-matching kernels may work Jan 13 16:45:43 i think mwesters kernel is nearly universal an some kernels do match Jan 13 16:45:45 but... Jan 13 16:45:57 yea Jan 13 16:46:59 ok..i will try some other kernels soom...i am atm upgrading Jan 13 16:47:36 what are u upgrading? Jan 13 16:48:18 it upgrades much things...also the kernel and kernel-modules etc..not that sure if this is good : / Jan 13 16:48:35 i just wrote opkg upgrade Jan 13 16:51:21 is it shr? Jan 13 16:52:11 yes Jan 13 16:53:11 i think i try the ruskie jffs2 file Jan 13 16:53:27 russian_ Jan 13 16:57:34 anyone built the toolchain with mokomakefile recently? mine is borking at edje-sdk due to missing header files Jan 13 17:03:18 openmoko: 03werner * r4884 10/developers/werner/wolfhammer/ (. Makefile wolfhammer.c): Hammer the Wolfson, for MICBIAS testing. Jan 13 17:09:21 is there a shr channel ? Jan 13 17:11:26 peter_b: no, ask here Jan 13 17:11:56 ok Jan 13 17:12:02 i get : Jan 13 17:12:19 git: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jan 13 17:12:29 while trying to build shr-unstable Jan 13 17:12:33 any ideas ? Jan 13 17:13:57 libcrypto.so.0.9.7 is missing?> Jan 13 17:15:03 looks like Jan 13 17:16:22 but why ? Jan 13 17:17:01 damn Jan 13 17:17:51 or maybe the version is incorrect Jan 13 17:17:59 pretednd i never asked :-) Jan 13 17:18:07 or its too old like me Jan 13 17:18:20 mine was too new Jan 13 17:18:33 got 0.9.8 instead of 0.9.7 Jan 13 17:18:46 was that the problem Jan 13 17:18:51 yeah Jan 13 17:18:54 for now ... Jan 13 17:18:54 cool Jan 13 17:19:15 gta03? Jan 13 17:19:29 there is a gta03 supposed to come out? Jan 13 17:19:31 openssl-native failed :-( Jan 13 17:20:33 im installing the russian community build of shr Jan 13 17:21:51 is your build working ? Jan 13 17:21:56 soul9: eventually Jan 13 17:23:59 still installing Jan 13 17:24:20 yeah,it's not soon, though? Jan 13 17:24:36 otherwise i'd bash my head for purchasing a gta02 just now :-D Jan 13 17:24:56 which kernel should i use with shr-russkie Jan 13 17:31:14 brian__: havebt really tested 2.6.28 Jan 13 17:31:24 well first i will try 2008.12 kernel an if that dont work its shr unstable latest Jan 13 17:31:58 i need the .28 kernel for shr wheres it at? Jan 13 17:33:32 aal i see is the .24 kernel Jan 13 17:33:51 i have boots thats not good Jan 13 17:34:10 well its up with the 2008.12 kernel Jan 13 17:34:32 it looks like a fdom shr lolol Jan 13 17:34:45 soul9: late this would be a *very* optimistic guess Jan 13 17:34:58 :) Jan 13 17:35:00 ok Jan 13 17:35:12 soul9: speaking as one that's been following it. Jan 13 17:35:20 soul9: don't look for it til you see it :) Jan 13 17:35:23 soul9: I would be astonished at GTA03 before august. Jan 13 17:35:33 ok.. Jan 13 17:35:34 very very nice Jan 13 17:35:37 soul9: and not really surprised if it diddn't hit before christmas. Jan 13 17:35:47 somebodys gotta see this Jan 13 17:35:56 see waht ? Jan 13 17:36:03 is there a page which documents the gta03 hardware? Jan 13 17:36:09 SpeedEvil: ^? Jan 13 17:36:09 russian shr Jan 13 17:36:14 peter_b: i try not to ask questions like that Jan 13 17:36:16 soul9: it's not publically decided as to what it is. Jan 13 17:36:37 hmm Jan 13 17:36:54 and where did the gta name come from? :-D Jan 13 17:36:57 In that I've had comments from people who should know that the GTA03 page on the wiki does not describe the current thinking. Jan 13 17:37:01 this is nothing but sweet Jan 13 17:37:04 (in private) Jan 13 17:37:47 ok, i see Jan 13 17:38:02 soul9: there is the gta03 speculation page, but it is just that: speculation Jan 13 17:38:10 AntonTakk: it's not Jan 13 17:38:23 AntonTakk: it's occasionally been updated by people who actually know. Jan 13 17:38:32 oh Jan 13 17:38:34 AntonTakk: the occasionally part is the problem though Jan 13 17:38:35 hrm Jan 13 17:38:39 yes Jan 13 17:39:03 still, don't get your hopes up for anything inparticular based on that page Jan 13 17:39:09 Yes. Jan 13 17:39:19 the russian shr has by default the good black background illume keyboard Jan 13 17:39:33 THANK YOU RUSSIA Jan 13 17:39:38 lolol Jan 13 17:39:58 Slaxxer: does the russian shr have trouble using you as a daily phone? ;) Jan 13 17:40:46 well i just booted it with 2008.12 kernel so i will just have to test it Jan 13 17:41:09 do only i have probs with opkg atm? it cant get the lists, it says signature check failed, and later at the collect of the error it says 404 Jan 13 17:41:46 root_at: i have dependancy resolution problems with it installing the evolution dev packages Jan 13 17:41:58 so fbreader works well to Jan 13 17:43:04 can u opkg update AntonTakk ? Jan 13 17:43:05 phone works Jan 13 17:46:23 so far all the apps work on the russian shr Jan 13 17:47:03 an there alot of applications Jan 13 17:47:45 hi Jan 13 17:49:41 wassup Jan 13 17:50:43 Slaxxer: the accellerometers answer that. Jan 13 17:51:29 tango has a dark background an a neon green scheme:) Jan 13 17:55:04 yay i finally got my phone on Jan 13 17:56:46 wtf is this signature check failed? what can i do against this? or what i am doing wrong? i connect to wlan(it works, i can ping) then i write opkg update Jan 13 17:58:42 root_at, I think tha'ts because the repos dont have any signature file :) Jan 13 17:59:04 so, nobody can opkg update atm? Jan 13 17:59:28 did u opge upgrade? Jan 13 17:59:36 opkg Jan 13 17:59:48 no, it didnt work Jan 13 18:00:00 an did it download a bunch of stuff? Jan 13 18:00:24 i am not sure if anything has had no error Jan 13 18:00:31 root_at, it just downloads the packages, but not the signatures Jan 13 18:00:50 check this file /etc/resolv.conf for a public ip address Jan 13 18:01:04 Hey Jan 13 18:01:30 there are 2 nameservers in there, as it should be? Jan 13 18:01:52 Can anyone tell me the right way to customize my Freerunner with the OmImage2008.12? I tried several approaches in the wiki which seem outdated. Is it ready for runtime customization or do I have to customize they Image's source and recompile myself? Jan 13 18:02:03 ping -c 5 www.yahoo.com Jan 13 18:02:42 cnwdup install the russian-shr Jan 13 18:02:58 u wont be unhappy anymore Jan 13 18:03:13 i can ping, but i have no browser installed Jan 13 18:03:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore Jan 13 18:04:41 this is the latest an the greatest by far sofar Jan 13 18:05:06 slaxxer: I was pretty unhappy with regular shr... Customization was easy, yes. But everything screwed up when trying to save changes. Jan 13 18:05:13 i used the 2008.12 kernel on that russian fs Jan 13 18:05:33 works great Jan 13 18:05:43 I don't think my issues were kernel related. More like statusbar crashes after changing the theme, etc. Jan 13 18:05:58 so just flash the rootfs an be happy Jan 13 18:07:06 I'd rather be happy compiling I guess. Is there (recent) documentation about setting up a chroot for cross compiling? Jan 13 18:09:26 Anyone using the Qwo input methode with the Illumne keyboard? Jan 13 18:09:34 is it easy to switch between those? Jan 13 18:10:21 you can use the illume configuration to change keyboards Jan 13 18:10:53 peter_b: nice Jan 13 18:10:57 peter_b: have you tried it? Jan 13 18:11:11 yes Jan 13 18:11:42 anygood? Jan 13 18:11:54 qpe is nice but im still faster with the pen and the terminal kb Jan 13 18:12:28 hi, how do I boot into nand? Jan 13 18:12:45 qpe might be good for the phne stuff like sms but not for the terminal imho Jan 13 18:13:02 simoo: power button first, then aux button Jan 13 18:13:31 cnwdup: maybe http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/debian-chroot-toolchain.txt Jan 13 18:13:39 fredrin: Ah ic thanks, so that's different to aux button then power? Jan 13 18:13:48 Hello. Both in shr unstable and ultraunstable [yes I know what unstable means] I have this error: ophonekitd: undefined symbol: frameworkd_handler_new. What can be wrong? Jan 13 18:13:54 it's more about getting the toolchain to work, though Jan 13 18:13:54 simoo: yepp Jan 13 18:14:08 lol ultraunstable Jan 13 18:14:17 fredrin: thanks Jan 13 18:16:33 aii, b0rk happend when i tried to install qwo Jan 13 18:16:34 Collected errors: Jan 13 18:16:34 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qwo: Jan 13 18:16:34 * imlib2 libconfig * Jan 13 18:33:49 peter_b: Any suggestions on how to change illume's configuration? I read about decompiling the edj files, but edje-tools isn't avialable on the Freerunner's repo. Jan 13 18:34:08 dent: I bet it'll be helpful though. Thanks. (-: Jan 13 18:34:25 cnwdup: n/p Jan 13 18:39:54 does anybody know when and where in the kernel does a process gets it task_struct->comm member filled up ? Jan 13 18:41:09 ashbert: a task can rewrite it at any time, right? Jan 13 18:41:16 true Jan 13 18:41:22 but i need only the 1st point Jan 13 18:41:30 when you run a process for the 1st time Jan 13 18:41:31 ashbert: well, somewhere during syscall_execve() Jan 13 18:41:50 i thought so too ... looking through fork as well Jan 13 18:41:51 ashbert: why are you asking? Jan 13 18:41:57 ashbert: fork does not affect that Jan 13 18:42:14 ic Jan 13 18:42:38 im on a fun project ... trying to authenticate applications by hashing their code pages Jan 13 18:43:01 ashbert: authenticate? Jan 13 18:43:25 yea ? Jan 13 18:43:29 Why, rather than trusted execution? Jan 13 18:43:48 yea i want to avoid selinux Jan 13 18:43:59 and the likes Jan 13 18:44:01 ashbert: but in what way do you want to authenticate them? Jan 13 18:44:24 crypto hash of their text segments ? Jan 13 18:44:32 data segs may change Jan 13 18:44:41 will change Jan 13 18:44:45 why? Jan 13 18:45:00 coz the bss merges with the data seg Jan 13 18:45:23 and values of variables and buffers will also chagne during run time Jan 13 18:45:27 I mean - why are you doing something that'd be much easier with selinux Jan 13 18:45:38 or similar means of signing binaries Jan 13 18:45:40 ashbert: i'm still not sure what you are trying to achieve Jan 13 18:45:53 hehe its part of a larger thing really ... Jan 13 18:45:55 that already exist, and require no coding. Jan 13 18:46:22 true, but i really dont selinux .. setting up policies is still a nightmare Jan 13 18:46:36 ashbert: again, what is the larger thing? ;) Jan 13 18:46:44 i think the kernel can do stuff auto , although it breaks the user/kernel paradigm to an extent Jan 13 18:47:31 i cant spill the beans just yet unfortunately .. will have to wait till march Jan 13 18:47:32 :p Jan 13 18:48:54 but FWIW, i really dislike selinux, and i think the kernel..through this code hash mechanism and do the same if not more in a better way..(authetication i mean) Jan 13 18:49:03 *can Jan 13 18:50:26 i think flush_old_exec is what i was looking for .. thanks chaps Jan 13 18:52:15 I just did something wrong, could someone please put his /etc/enlightenment/default_profile on pastebin for me? Jan 13 18:52:29 ashbert: are you trying to make it only possible to execute signed code? Jan 13 18:54:03 no not really... only some certain processes Jan 13 18:54:24 i dont need the whole system to execute signed code Jan 13 18:54:46 in fact, im assuming the whole of userspace apps to be in the threat model Jan 13 18:56:07 can anyone try a opkg update now, and tell me if it works? there seem to be no *.sig files on the server? Jan 13 18:57:41 root_at: There aren't any, and have never been any (AFAIK). Jan 13 18:57:55 opkg update will work just fine, but can't check the archives. Jan 13 18:58:13 so y is my opkg trying to download them? Jan 13 18:58:41 You know, since disabling the gpg signatures is a matter of a single line in the build configuration, one wonders why Om leaves this error in the package distro mechanism... Jan 13 18:59:17 but it's been that way since the first opkg version almost two years ago, and they've not fixed it. Jan 13 18:59:50 * mwester is the release manager for SlugOS, which also uses opkg -- and gpg signatures have been disabled there from the first day opkg was used. Jan 13 19:03:26 but it doesnt work fine...i want to install something that is need to update firmware of gsm: Jan 13 19:03:41 opkg install s3c24xx-gpio_1.0\+svnr4130-r2.1_armv4t.ipk Jan 13 19:03:43 Multiple packages (s3c24xx-gpio and s3c24xx-gpio) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Jan 13 19:03:45 Multiple packages (s3c24xx-gpio and s3c24xx-gpio) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Jan 13 19:03:47 Installing s3c24xx-gpio (1.0+svnr4130-r2.1) to root... Jan 13 19:03:48 Collected errors: Jan 13 19:03:50 * Package s3c24xx-gpio md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Jan 13 19:04:05 ♚ Jan 13 19:04:24 oops Jan 13 19:08:11 root_at: just type "opkg install s3c24xx-gpio" -- it will get the correct version from the feeds and install that. Jan 13 19:12:11 thx Jan 13 19:26:30 when i type in "echo "AT@POFF" >/dev/ttySAC0" (killed all process accessing ttySAC0) it takes some time...when i didnt kill it i doesnt take long...is this bad? Jan 13 19:29:32 root_at: is that necessary? why not just cut power from gsm? Jan 13 19:29:51 i need to upgrade it Jan 13 19:30:05 i just follow this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Jan 13 19:30:20 root_at: maybe you get timeout Jan 13 19:30:41 because the GSM is off Jan 13 19:30:47 just guessing Jan 13 19:32:21 its possible that its off, but how can i activate it? ober the settings its not possible Jan 13 19:33:19 try: /etc/init.d/gsm0710muxer start Jan 13 19:34:55 so this process need to run...its the one i killed before Jan 13 19:36:02 when you start the muxer, it will power on the gsm Jan 13 19:38:59 muxed? Jan 13 19:39:15 its started automatically at bootup Jan 13 19:39:19 gsm0710muxer Jan 13 19:39:31 then send the AT%POFF Jan 13 19:40:32 then you can stop gsm0710muxer Jan 13 19:40:57 then you are sure the GSM is off Jan 13 19:46:49 i have no gsm0710muxer, just a gsm0710muxd Jan 13 19:47:18 ahh Jan 13 19:47:31 and i think i shoudnt stop it, cause of "FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 ..." Jan 13 19:47:35 sorry, that is the one I meant Jan 13 19:48:00 I am not sure if you should stop it or not Jan 13 19:48:05 ok Jan 13 19:48:33 I didn't read the wiki (yet) Jan 13 19:51:55 after the start of fluid should come a (reset Target) and if i stop it, this never appears, but if its running it appears. but it doesnt start flashing after the s3c24xx-gpio b7=1 Jan 13 20:09:00 the dialer on the russian-shr has missed call numbers that are unique Jan 13 20:10:29 We are at 83%! Jan 13 20:12:11 whatcha doing dave? Jan 13 20:12:15 D Jan 13 20:12:58 my russkie shr looks too much like om Jan 13 20:13:08 but i like it Jan 13 20:13:52 have to remove 600 megs mp3's Jan 13 20:13:57 :( Jan 13 20:14:26 or just convert them right there Jan 13 20:15:59 the led clock program stays good through suspend but how are u supposed to read it during that time? Jan 13 20:16:54 or is it that its supposed to be plugged in the wall during that time anyways? Jan 13 20:17:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore Jan 13 20:24:03 why does mm_struct->start/end_code show different values than /proc//maps Jan 13 20:24:15 actually, the start_code address is the same in both cases .. the end_code value is different Jan 13 20:24:41 /proc/ maps prints the values from the VMA FWIW Jan 13 20:24:53 but i dont understand why these give different end values Jan 13 20:31:37 cnwdup: still there ? Jan 13 20:32:41 peter_b: Jep Jan 13 20:34:23 you where asking about configuring qpe ? Jan 13 20:35:24 peter_b: I am asking about how to configure illume and thus enlightenment. Jan 13 20:35:43 I don't know what qpe means, though. (-: Jan 13 20:38:07 dont you have the wrench symbol in the top bar ? Jan 13 20:48:40 hoi Jan 13 20:50:05 peter_b: Which symbol? I have the arrow for the drop down menu, clock, battery and something I think denotes wireless connectivity. Jan 13 20:55:25 cnwdup: waht distro are you using ? Jan 13 20:55:43 OmImage 2008.12 (I am still wondering if thats the proper name ^^) Jan 13 20:56:09 ok Jan 13 20:56:12 *Om 2008.12 Jan 13 20:56:42 the last i used was 2008.8 Jan 13 20:57:04 * peter_b is using shr now Jan 13 20:57:25 ok Jan 13 20:57:29 Thanks anyways. Jan 13 20:58:50 np Jan 13 21:09:56 hi, this is going to sound silly but how do I change symbols for the keyboard that comes with 2008.12? Like caps? numbers? lower-case ? Jan 13 21:12:07 try sliding your finger up on the keyboard Jan 13 21:13:11 not got 2008.12 here but if that does not work look for an ABC button on the top right of the keyboard and if you press it you shoud get a pop up asking which keyboard layout you want Jan 13 21:13:49 ? if I do that to the right it puts a space, to the left it puts a backspace Jan 13 21:14:02 slide from the bottom of the keyboard to the top Jan 13 21:14:09 upwards Jan 13 21:14:35 aaaaah! thanks! Jan 13 21:14:45 no problem Jan 13 21:14:59 it has been in the topic for about 9 months now :) Jan 13 21:15:31 well 7 months :) Jan 13 21:17:36 well thanks Jan 13 21:18:19 no problem :) enjoy :) Jan 13 21:21:01 Gyb, are you a Glade guy too? Jan 13 21:21:15 Gyb__: Jan 13 21:21:43 fredrin, nope Jan 13 21:22:49 Gyb__: I thougt i just saw you joine #glade3 @ GimpNet, or it's maybe me that's just not used to xchat... Jan 13 21:23:09 I just did something wrong, could someone please put his /etc/enlightenment/default_profile on pastebin for me? Jan 13 21:25:21 fredrin, yeah, that's true, but I'm just camping there ;-) Jan 13 21:26:11 Gyb__: cool, me too, I'm a friend of Tristan and xJuan IRL :) but just a Glade3 fanboy don't contribute, yet Jan 13 21:27:13 fredrin, they're both doing a great work Jan 13 21:28:11 Gyb__: and cool guys aswell, think Tristan, maindeveloper, is coming out with some big things soon Jan 13 21:28:25 if I helpe him with some things first though, heheh Jan 13 21:28:27 * fredrin lazy Jan 13 21:28:38 heheheh Jan 13 21:29:05 <- eating now Jan 13 21:29:11 cya Jan 13 21:29:13 :) Jan 13 21:29:31 mirko-paroli: sim auth works but ... :) Jan 13 21:29:45 but? ;) Jan 13 21:30:22 people and msgs stuff not working ? Jan 13 21:30:31 should be Jan 13 21:30:49 you don't see messages and contacts in the windows= Jan 13 21:30:50 ? Jan 13 21:30:58 yes Jan 13 21:31:11 and the launcher crash ? Jan 13 21:31:12 ah my guess is you opened them before the data from the sim was loaded Jan 13 21:31:18 oh Jan 13 21:31:21 that should not happen Jan 13 21:31:35 which ref are u using? Jan 13 21:31:42 the sim contacts should be in contacts ? Jan 13 21:31:51 yes SIM contacts should be there Jan 13 21:31:53 hmm git version from yesterday Jan 13 21:31:59 ok that one should work Jan 13 21:32:16 can you get me the log again Jan 13 21:32:18 ? Jan 13 21:32:49 self build ^^ Jan 13 21:34:49 can't open file Jan 13 21:35:04 ehm Jan 13 21:35:27 ^^ contacts/phone Jan 13 21:35:37 ah Jan 13 21:35:44 tat one is empty Jan 13 21:35:55 that is only an info Jan 13 21:36:03 it won't make paroli crash Jan 13 21:36:07 shouldn't anyways Jan 13 21:36:12 doesn't on my phone Jan 13 21:36:32 mom log is too long.. search usb cable Jan 13 21:36:42 k Jan 13 21:39:25 strange Jan 13 21:39:43 can read the contacts from sim and messages Jan 13 21:40:04 but? Jan 13 21:40:20 all buttons on desktop crashes Jan 13 21:40:33 all paroli thinks Jan 13 21:40:38 hmm Jan 13 21:40:45 but paroli itself is still running? Jan 13 21:42:28 the process is *paroli* ? Jan 13 21:42:57 how can i check this Jan 13 21:43:14 paroli-launcher --launch Paroli-Dialer Jan 13 21:43:22 that should start the dialer Jan 13 21:43:30 did you run build ? Jan 13 21:43:39 or do you launch from the folder? Jan 13 21:43:43 setup.py build and install Jan 13 21:43:56 the launcher icon is new Jan 13 21:44:02 how did you see that the msgs and contacts was empty ? Jan 13 21:44:34 i see an empty window Jan 13 21:44:42 only add @ msgs Jan 13 21:44:47 ah k Jan 13 21:45:13 so you can use some icons? Jan 13 21:45:16 sry tell Jan 13 21:46:20 yes tele works Jan 13 21:46:38 calls and thinks Jan 13 21:47:07 but first start of people crash thinks ^^ Jan 13 21:47:11 An exit code of 1 was returned from dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.tichy.launcher /Launcher org.tichy.Launcher.Launch string:Paroli-Contacts. Jan 13 21:47:41 and the paroli log to that? Jan 13 21:47:52 last row is quit Jan 13 21:47:59 without any error Jan 13 21:48:29 hey all Jan 13 21:48:33 hmm not good Jan 13 21:49:23 hmm ending the call quits the launcher ? Jan 13 21:49:37 it certainly shouldn'T Jan 13 21:50:13 anyone know how to paste into the terminal from the illume clipboard? Jan 13 21:51:08 @mirko i quit the tele window. was this wrong ? Jan 13 21:51:24 ah Jan 13 21:51:31 yes don't use the top bar Jan 13 21:51:35 it kills the process Jan 13 21:51:42 ah Jan 13 21:51:43 you have to klick the colorful bar Jan 13 21:51:45 sry Jan 13 21:51:53 we are working on an alternative Jan 13 21:52:56 ah Jan 13 21:54:59 testing sms. contacts are there Jan 13 21:57:07 see no messages Jan 13 21:57:13 but sound 4 sms Jan 13 21:57:40 hmm Jan 13 21:57:44 the view might not be updated Jan 13 21:57:57 if you close it via the top of the windwow Jan 13 21:58:05 and reopen it you should see them Jan 13 21:59:07 nope Jan 13 21:59:15 hmpf Jan 13 22:00:09 log says 5 messages on sim . total messages = 0 lol Jan 13 22:00:23 outsch Jan 13 22:00:32 anything else ? Jan 13 22:00:37 in the log i mean Jan 13 22:01:34 k i need a smoke back in 5 min Jan 13 22:03:04 mirko-paroli: ok.. only this WARNING can't get messages : 'direction' Jan 13 22:08:49 nothing? pasting from outside the terminal? Jan 13 22:16:30 no idea ;) Jan 13 22:16:37 rofl Gwaterpas Jan 13 22:25:54 cu Jan 13 22:29:45 rob did it work? Jan 13 22:31:40 sry phone call Jan 13 22:31:55 waterpas ? Jan 13 22:33:12 mirko WARNING can't get messages : 'direction' Jan 13 22:33:17 thats all Jan 13 22:33:55 which ref did you use exactly? Jan 13 22:34:17 ref ? Jan 13 22:34:25 the git version Jan 13 22:34:33 sry Jan 13 22:34:35 rev Jan 13 22:35:28 hmm not a git pro ^^ Jan 13 22:35:46 if you go into the git directory Jan 13 22:35:52 do a Jan 13 22:35:54 cat .git/refs/head/master Jan 13 22:36:04 and it tells you the revision Jan 13 22:36:28 can you paste the last 3 lines from the log? Jan 13 22:36:38 not sure which messages paroli can't read Jan 13 22:38:09 rev = 9b1167e5614f025abe99754f4dafb4ccb4c03ba2 ? Jan 13 22:38:24 rob79 yapp Jan 13 23:22:41 it seems the russiian shr came with some personal info:) Jan 13 23:22:54 phone #'s Jan 13 23:23:05 calander events Jan 13 23:24:08 an the keyboard is exactly what i have been looking for Jan 13 23:24:17 good job Jan 13 23:51:57 openmoko: 03werner * r4885 10/developers/werner/wolfhammer/wolfhammer.c: Jan 13 23:51:57 openmoko: Changed frequency from 50Hz to 40Hz, to avoid confusion with mains. Jan 13 23:51:57 openmoko: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/a6-nrw-fft.png Jan 14 00:03:52 best contacts app is Sketch. :) Jan 14 00:21:57 n8 Jan 14 00:57:42 openmoko: 03werner * r4886 10/developers/werner/wlan/ (. connman/ connman/Makefile connman/detect.c connman/rtnl.c): connman compatibility test. Jan 14 01:01:08 xb Jan 14 01:01:09 oops Jan 14 02:25:53 openmoko: 03charlie * r4887 10/developers/charlie/Paroli/paroli_0.2+gitr1+018fb1813a61b690249cd2e4cad483e26b9f2bd2-r0_armv4t.ipk: Add paroli ipk snapshot Jan 14 02:49:24 woo Jan 14 02:49:26 i'm back Jan 14 02:51:50 wow, battery life has certainly improved in 2008.12. Jan 14 02:55:59 so Jan 14 02:56:08 anyone have the iGo bluetooth keyboard? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 14 02:59:57 2009