**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 17 02:59:56 2009
Jan 17 03:05:37 <rooly> so raster, still puttiung e on things
Jan 17 03:12:35 <khaije1> any response/feeling about Qt being LGPL'd?
Jan 17 03:16:41 <mwester> khaije1:  has no bearing on any of the current distros for the freerunner.
Jan 17 03:40:48 <Dave> yo rooly
Jan 17 04:41:20 <rooly> yo dave
Jan 17 04:41:22 <rooly> you called?
Jan 17 07:00:02 <gecco> good morning
Jan 17 07:02:26 <Dave> Ze Kaizer
Jan 17 07:02:34 <rooly> you
Jan 17 07:02:37 <rooly> hey you there
Jan 17 07:02:37 <Dave> rooly!
Jan 17 07:02:39 <rooly> stop
Jan 17 07:02:40 <Dave> :p
Jan 17 07:02:49 <rooly> what for call you did?
Jan 17 07:02:56 <Dave> Wtf?
Jan 17 07:03:03 <Dave> How much have you been drinking?
Jan 17 07:03:07 <rooly> quote yo rooly unquote
Jan 17 07:03:08 <rooly> nah
Jan 17 07:03:13 <Dave> :p
Jan 17 07:03:18 <rooly> i always speak like that
Jan 17 07:03:19 <rooly> well
Jan 17 07:03:21 <rooly> not always
Jan 17 07:03:22 <rooly> but often
Jan 17 07:03:33 <Dave> heh
Jan 17 07:04:16 <rooly> i found a really cool online bok
Jan 17 07:04:17 <rooly> book
Jan 17 07:04:20 <rooly> quite a good read actually
Jan 17 07:04:28 <Dave> and that would be?
Jan 17 07:04:34 <rooly> its...over...here
Jan 17 07:04:42 <rooly> schoolforadventurers.com or such
Jan 17 07:04:47 <Dave> o_O
Jan 17 07:05:05 <rooly> http://www.schoolforadventurers.com
Jan 17 07:05:17 <Dave> Okay, interesting.
Jan 17 07:05:22 <Dave> I'll have to take you up on it later.
Jan 17 07:05:24 <rooly> quite
Jan 17 07:05:27 <rooly> its a good read
Jan 17 07:05:37 <rooly> in 100 pages i've only found 3 or 4 typos
Jan 17 07:05:48 <rooly> but even beyond that, its well written
Jan 17 07:05:53 <Dave> hah:)
Jan 17 07:05:55 <Dave> good shit
Jan 17 07:05:59 <Dave> hey, at least it's not a blog, right?
Jan 17 07:06:06 <Dave> or worse
Jan 17 07:06:12 <rooly> lol
Jan 17 07:20:16 <rooly> great book
Jan 17 08:56:05 <root_at> hi, i have a problem. i finally got my gsm working, could phone people, get phoned etc...also after some reboots. but the last reboot doesnt work, there shows no sim request up..and after boot there is no gsm process, and at shutdown he says that he cant kill some processes, one is called gsps compatility daemon and the other is some framework thing...what did go wrong?
Jan 17 08:56:48 <Wonka> maybe frameworkd didn't start for some reason. try rebooting again.
Jan 17 08:56:57 <root_at> also did try for about 5 times
Jan 17 08:57:08 <root_at> always the same
Jan 17 08:57:41 <root_at> i thought i could start gsm by /etc/init.d/gsm0710muxd start, but this doesnt work
Jan 17 08:58:27 <Wonka> nope.
Jan 17 08:59:02 <Wonka> do a "ps ax" and look for a line with "python /usr/bin/frameworkd"
Jan 17 08:59:14 <rooly1> hold on
Jan 17 08:59:27 <rooly1> root_at: whats your os
Jan 17 08:59:32 <root_at> shr
Jan 17 08:59:38 <rooly1> oic
Jan 17 08:59:45 <rooly1> nvm then]
Jan 17 08:59:49 <Wonka> <- using SHR too
Jan 17 09:00:06 <rooly1> there is a known issue with 2008.12 adn gsm710muxd
Jan 17 09:00:36 <root_at> there shows up an line with "pythong /usr/bin/frameworkd"
Jan 17 09:00:44 <Wonka> i wish SHR would provide a newer frameworkd though...
Jan 17 09:00:46 <Wonka> 2009.01.17 06:15:04 ogsmd    INFO     <UnsolicitedResponseChannel via /dev/pts/1>: unhandled unsolicited data incoming: '%CGREG: 1,"2781","A2AE",1'
Jan 17 09:01:02 <Wonka> root_at: with one "g" less, probably :)
Jan 17 09:01:09 <root_at> yeah  ; )
Jan 17 09:01:19 <Wonka> ok, then frameworkd is there.
Jan 17 09:01:27 <Wonka> is there also a "ophonekitd"?
Jan 17 09:01:44 <root_at> yes
Jan 17 09:02:21 <root_at> what this gsps compatility daemon?
Jan 17 09:02:37 <Wonka> gps compatibility daemon
Jan 17 09:03:04 <Wonka> it's a daemon that translates the dbus gps interface to the gpsd gps interface
Jan 17 09:03:15 <Wonka> for clients who know gpsd but not the dbus interface
Jan 17 09:03:23 <Wonka> tangogps, for example
Jan 17 09:03:43 <root_at> i dont use tangogps atm, and i am not sure if this came up before
Jan 17 09:03:48 <Wonka> the "GPS and Map" application
Jan 17 09:04:02 <root_at> yeah, i know this tangogps
Jan 17 09:04:19 <root_at> would it help if i reflash the whole thing?
Jan 17 09:04:32 <Wonka> if this compatibility daemon is not running, it will hinder nothing but GPS
Jan 17 09:04:47 <Wonka> so no catastrophic failure :)
Jan 17 09:05:04 <root_at> but there is also something with frameworkd...
Jan 17 09:05:15 <Wonka> might help. don't know. didn't reflash for about a month, always just upgraded.
Jan 17 09:05:56 <Wonka> have you read /var/log/frameworkd.log, looking for error messages?
Jan 17 09:08:00 <root_at> 2009.01.17 09:59:40 frameworkd.subsystem WARNING  Can't claim bus name 'org.freesmartphone.otimed', check configuration in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf
Jan 17 09:08:02 <root_at> 2009.01.17 09:59:40 frameworkd.subsystem WARNING  service otimed doesn't have any busnames registered
Jan 17 09:08:04 <root_at> 2009.01.17 10:00:00 odeviced WARNING  (could not read from '/sys/class/power_supply/bat-th-gta01/present': [Errno 19] No such device)
Jan 17 09:08:05 <root_at> 2009.01.17 10:04:49 odeviced WARNING  (could not read from '/sys/class/power_supply/bat-th-gta01/present': [Errno 19] No such device
Jan 17 09:08:44 <root_at> oh, also some errors : O
Jan 17 09:09:37 <root_at> http://nopaste.biz/62280
Jan 17 09:12:47 <root_at> is there anyhing very bad, that could be the reason?
Jan 17 09:14:29 <lindi-> root_at: newer kernel?
Jan 17 09:15:11 <root_at> and in the ophonekitd.log is also one error, he claims about "failed to handle dbus error: user: 1.3 already requested GSM, 76 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Scale 2.000
Jan 17 09:15:38 <root_at> i have flashed uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
Jan 17 09:17:45 <root_at> lindi-: which should i flash?
Jan 17 09:18:41 <lindi-> root_at: what was a question
Jan 17 09:18:52 <lindi-> root_at: ah you answered
Jan 17 09:18:59 <lindi-> root_at: but that answer does not tell my what the kernel is
Jan 17 09:19:18 <lindi-> root_at: git branch and version number would tell
Jan 17 09:19:23 <lindi-> s/my/me/
Jan 17 09:21:08 <root_at> kernel-2.6.24
Jan 17 09:26:09 <root_at> lindi-: so i just need to reflash the kernel?
Jan 17 09:56:35 <DDevine> Greetings.
Jan 17 09:56:45 <root_at> hi
Jan 17 09:57:02 <DDevine> Is anybody running OM 2008.x on a Motorola A1200?
Jan 17 09:57:43 <DDevine> I have seen that 2007.x works, but I know there has been some changes between 2007 and 2008.
Jan 17 10:06:38 <PBeck> ahoi
Jan 17 10:12:14 <DDevine> I hope nobody replied while I was gone :(
Jan 17 10:12:23 <DDevine> Did they? - 
Jan 17 10:12:31 <mirko-paroli> nope
Jan 17 10:12:35 <mirko-paroli> there was no responses
Jan 17 10:12:38 <mirko-paroli> sry
Jan 17 10:19:52 <DDevine> Do you have an idea of what problems there could be with the upgrade?
Jan 17 10:37:04 <jopk> hi
Jan 17 10:42:37 <jopk> I'm trying to play videos on my freerunner ... 320*240 works quite well... with full 640 resolution the video is small but fine. If I change display to 320:240 res, the quality is much worse. on the black regions you can see grey stripes flimmering. any idea why? is there a way to make the whole display black, and play the vid on top of it? because the stripes match with the window behind...
Jan 17 10:42:39 <jopk> ...the vid output.
Jan 17 10:45:23 <root_at> which player r u using?
Jan 17 10:46:30 <jopk> mplayer, without glamo
Jan 17 10:51:18 <ernst> hello i need help
Jan 17 10:51:31 <ernst> i flashed uboot first time with  qi-s3c2442 on fr 
Jan 17 10:51:47 <ernst> but i can not see the ubbot menu
Jan 17 10:51:54 <ernst> help me please
Jan 17 11:00:06 <Defiant-> gwaterpos is a nice idea
Jan 17 11:00:11 <Defiant-> *pas
Jan 17 11:00:54 <bipak> yes :D
Jan 17 11:01:00 <bipak> but its slow :(
Jan 17 11:01:18 <bipak> should be more smooth
Jan 17 11:01:32 <root_at>  /dev/mmcblk0 is the card, right?
Jan 17 11:04:03 <max_posedon> ernst, Main feature of Qi, that it doesn't have any menu.
Jan 17 11:04:27 <max_posedon> If you want nor-uboot menu, you can do "AUX+POWER"
Jan 17 11:12:31 <ernst> Thank you very much !!!!!!
Jan 17 11:15:46 <PaulFertser_> ernst: be prepared, NOR u-boot version is very-very old and therefore has some limitations. Don't count on it that much.
Jan 17 11:17:29 <root_at> i want to install qtextended on my card, do i need to upgrade uboot? or isnt it necessary to do that if i use fat16?
Jan 17 11:18:48 <max_posedon> root_at, qtextended can be installed only on jffs(nand) or ext2(ext3) on mmc. uboot upgrade isn't required.
Jan 17 11:19:46 <root_at> but i read that the old version of uboot cant load from a ext2 partition
Jan 17 11:20:16 <dns> you can use vfat with your uimage.bin and an ext3 with the original uboot
Jan 17 11:20:41 <root_at> i tried to mount the card with vfat but it said wrong fs type
Jan 17 11:21:15 <dns> you need to make the partitions yourself
Jan 17 11:21:25 <root_at> i did, with fdisk
Jan 17 11:21:30 <root_at> i also wrote them
Jan 17 11:21:49 <dns> then mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
Jan 17 12:36:05 <agg1n> why does the accelerometer input laggs if i rotate the FR fast?
Jan 17 12:38:04 <agg1n> if i do hexdump /dev/input/event3 and then rotate my FR the output stops for a second and then goes on :/
Jan 17 12:41:46 <Defiant-> agg1n: this is a known bug
Jan 17 13:07:04 <PaulFertser_> agg1n: accelerometers should work fine with andy-tracking, also they has a configurable threshold.
Jan 17 13:07:37 <agg1n> ok, thanks! :)
Jan 17 13:09:51 <gislan> is it normal that svn's trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/download.sh fails to locate kernel and rootfs ?
Jan 17 13:14:06 <zogg_> python libs are placed under /usr/lib/python2.5, right?
Jan 17 13:15:07 <Mortak> hi
Jan 17 13:15:41 <Sharwin_F> oh I see there's a huge upgrade on shr unstable :D
Jan 17 13:45:23 <Sharwin_F> hmm after uprading most of the apps crash at launching and the GUI to put the PIn number doesn't show anymore :S
Jan 17 13:50:51 <Sharwin_F> It looks like some packages doesn't upgrade (pygtk, gtk+, initscripts-openmoko among other)
Jan 17 13:51:57 <Sharwin_F> here's the error output: http://pastebin.com/m208fb918
Jan 17 13:56:45 <Sharwin_F> and apps crash because of gtk...
Jan 17 13:56:45 <Sharwin_F>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pythm/gtkgui/pythmgtk.py", line 3, in <module>
Jan 17 13:56:46 <Sharwin_F>     import gtk
Jan 17 13:56:46 <Sharwin_F> ImportError: No module named gtk
Jan 17 14:03:31 <jones> hey folks
Jan 17 14:12:48 <PaulFertser_> Hey guys :) Does anybody want to comment on patch to Qi documentation describing interactive UI? https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/qi-improve-ui/0001-Describe-interactive-UI-in-README.patch
Jan 17 14:12:52 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2bec920ce0d2 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpschannel.py om.py): 
Jan 17 14:12:52 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: fix disabling the device when it was never enabled before.
Jan 17 14:12:52 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: Daniel, please review this!
Jan 17 14:14:03 <mickeyl> PaulFertser_: Qi is raigned by Andy Green, no one else has the power to tweak that
Jan 17 14:14:07 <mickeyl> please put it on the mailing olist
Jan 17 14:14:09 <mickeyl> reigned, even
Jan 17 14:14:50 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: I know that :) It's just that i prepared a patch to the documentation and wanted user feedback for the wording.
Jan 17 14:14:59 <mickeyl> ah
Jan 17 14:15:05 * mickeyl reads
Jan 17 14:15:42 <mickeyl> s/a debugging parameters/debugging parameters/
Jan 17 14:15:59 <PaulFertser_> sure :)
Jan 17 14:16:04 <mickeyl> reads well
Jan 17 14:16:05 <mickeyl> thansk!
Jan 17 14:16:29 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: the POWER button patch is ready but i've not send it to Andy yet.
Jan 17 14:16:36 <mickeyl> cool
Jan 17 14:16:41 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: thanks for your feedback.
Jan 17 14:16:43 <mickeyl> may i ask about the async mux thing?
Jan 17 14:16:56 <muxe> mow
Jan 17 14:17:03 <mickeyl> heh
Jan 17 14:17:05 <mickeyl> no pun
Jan 17 14:17:20 <mickeyl> s/mux/muxer/ ;)
Jan 17 14:18:17 <PaulFertser_> I'm going to try to do it today evening. I've already tried to fix the ugliness of flushing in watchdog, but failed. I've sent a message to glib devs asking for clarifications. As to proper channel allocation scheme (don't return until the channel is open), i'll try to do it today's evening, thanks for the reminder.
Jan 17 14:18:43 <mickeyl> excellent.
Jan 17 14:18:47 <mickeyl> appreciating you working on that
Jan 17 14:19:05 <PaulFertser_> Any news from mato, btw?
Jan 17 14:19:13 <mickeyl> no word since weeks
Jan 17 14:19:25 <mickeyl> i guess he dived deep into 07.10 ;)
Jan 17 14:32:13 <mickeyl> one of these days, i want to continue evaluating the qtopia muxer code
Jan 17 14:32:40 <mickeyl> i'm into code layout asthetics and this looks so much cleaner than ours
Jan 17 14:38:23 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra8d89b8ff3e6 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogspd: according to Werner Almesberger, you need to turn on gpsd in order to turn it off *sigh*
Jan 17 15:01:27 <imme-emosol> How could I pre-install maps on the openmoko?
Jan 17 15:01:42 <Dave> Download the maptiles
Jan 17 15:01:53 <imme-emosol> I pointed the diversity-maps directory onto the /media/card/ path.
Jan 17 15:01:54 <Dave> tangogps has a download function built in, which is convenient :)
Jan 17 15:02:03 <Dave> okay
Jan 17 15:02:06 <imme-emosol> So, maybe I should just install tangogps...
Jan 17 15:02:13 <Dave> Yeah, I'm not sure how to do it with diversity :)
Jan 17 15:02:18 <Dave> Yeah you should just try it out.
Jan 17 15:02:19 <imme-emosol> I now have the one that comes with qtopia I thnk...
Jan 17 15:02:48 <Dave> Okay
Jan 17 15:03:06 <imme-emosol> And would there be some way to make Ctrl-Left , Ctrl-Right, Ctrl-w work on the freerunner shell>
Jan 17 15:03:31 <Dave> Hmm?
Jan 17 15:03:37 <lindi-> imme-emosol: it's up to the virtual keyboard, not business of the shell
Jan 17 15:03:51 <Dave> I really don't know. It all seems to depend on your terminal application
Jan 17 15:03:58 <Dave> lindi, oh really?
Jan 17 15:04:24 <imme-emosol> Dave: I have ash, does ash have such a thing, or should I install bash?
Jan 17 15:04:45 <lindi-> imme-emosol: what should those do?
Jan 17 15:04:57 <imme-emosol> go back and forth one word.
Jan 17 15:05:06 <imme-emosol> and delete one word back.
Jan 17 15:05:09 <lindi-> imme-emosol: sounds like a binding issue
Jan 17 15:05:26 <lindi-> imme-emosol: M-f goes forward one word, M-b goes backward one word
Jan 17 15:05:38 <lindi-> imme-emosol: M-d deletes one word
Jan 17 15:05:56 <lindi-> imme-emosol: maybe on your pc you have bound arrows to do the same?
Jan 17 15:06:34 <imme-emosol> It could be that ubuntu-dev's have bound those keys the same, yes.
Jan 17 15:06:53 <lindi-> imme-emosol: what does ctrl-right send?
Jan 17 15:07:02 <imme-emosol> 5C
Jan 17 15:07:06 <lindi-> right alone is ^[[C
Jan 17 15:07:11 <lindi-> imme-emosol: i mean when it works
Jan 17 15:07:12 <imme-emosol> Meta is alt, right?
Jan 17 15:07:23 <lindi-> imme-emosol: alt can be meta
Jan 17 15:07:32 <lindi-> imme-emosol: over the wire it sends esc
Jan 17 15:07:33 <imme-emosol> So, right now it isn't.
Jan 17 15:07:43 <imme-emosol> 'cause alt-d does nothing.
Jan 17 15:07:50 <lindi-> imme-emosol: esc d
Jan 17 15:08:23 <imme-emosol> hm ctrl-w worksdoes nothing either.
Jan 17 15:08:39 <imme-emosol> does nothing either was about the esc d   :P
Jan 17 15:08:51 <lindi-> esc d in bash should definitely remove one word
Jan 17 15:09:26 <imme-emosol> i'm in ash on the openmoko
Jan 17 15:09:33 <imme-emosol> uhm, freerunner.
Jan 17 15:09:45 <lindi-> imme-emosol: i doubt ash uses gnu readline
Jan 17 15:10:06 <imme-emosol> alt shift f   goes to end of line...
Jan 17 15:11:55 <imme-emosol> ctrl d   deletes one char
Jan 17 15:12:06 <imme-emosol> ctrl a   goes to beginning of line.
Jan 17 15:12:26 <imme-emosol> Does someone have a reference for me to the keyboard commands of ash?
Jan 17 15:22:38 <lindi-> imme-emosol: those are the keyboard commands of gnu readline
Jan 17 15:22:47 <lindi-> imme-emosol: ash probably supports some small subset of it?
Jan 17 15:25:12 <imme-emosol> I think so.
Jan 17 15:25:27 <imme-emosol> ash really is busybox, which is defined as being a small subset.
Jan 17 15:25:45 <imme-emosol> well nevermind, I'll just deal wiit it for the moment, it's no big inconvenience...
Jan 17 16:24:07 <PBeck> ahoi
Jan 17 16:47:56 <morgner> +
Jan 17 17:27:13 <Ventolinmono> hello does anybody knows how to see which Om Release is installed on my GTA02?
Jan 17 17:30:29 <zash_> Ventolinmono: try `uname -a` and check if there is any /etc/*release* or similar
Jan 17 17:34:21 <Ventolinmono> ok : i got gta02 2.6.24
Jan 17 17:35:44 <zash_> Ventolinmono: that would be the kernel
Jan 17 17:37:14 <Ventolinmono> zash: thanks i just got my phone yesterday and im also new to linux (ubuntu) so how do i open the system and root folders to chek the /etc/*release
Jan 17 17:37:40 <zash_> Ventolinmono: wait, what do you see if you boot it and look on the screen?
Jan 17 17:38:10 <Ventolinmono> the small fast white letters?
Jan 17 17:38:16 <Ventolinmono> and the openmoko logo
Jan 17 17:38:23 <zash_> Ventolinmono: when it's done
Jan 17 17:38:36 <Ventolinmono> the today page
Jan 17 17:38:51 <zash_> so, om2007.something i guess
Jan 17 17:39:02 <zash_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
Jan 17 17:39:11 <zash_> Om 2007.2 is the base-system which is installed on FreeRunner when it leaves the factory.
Jan 17 17:40:05 <Ventolinmono> ok, going to flash to the 2008.12
Jan 17 17:40:39 <zash_> good luck!
Jan 17 17:41:20 <Ventolinmono> ja thanks zash, any tips for my first flashing ?
Jan 17 18:34:01 <swab> is there a trick to using the keypad with applications that don't support it by themselves? (like to enter a url in dillo)
Jan 17 18:35:51 <lindi-> swab: xvkbd works with any app
Jan 17 18:38:55 <swab> lindi-, ah, great :) is there an opkg package already or should i install from their website?
Jan 17 18:43:03 <lindi-> swab: no idea, i use debian
Jan 17 18:43:47 <swab> ah, i see
Jan 17 18:44:07 <swab> monday i will get some sd-cards and try around with other distros :)
Jan 17 18:44:29 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm, Newegg has a $7 4GB MicroSD w/ free shipping. Sounds like a good deal, no?
Jan 17 18:44:50 <Digital_Pioneer> Or am I overestimating the value of MicroSD cards?
Jan 17 18:45:41 <thrashold> I would go for something bigger, 8 GB or more. :) More space is always handy :)
Jan 17 18:46:15 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, I want at least 8.
Jan 17 18:46:17 <swab> is it right that more than 8G arent supported?
Jan 17 18:46:25 <Digital_Pioneer> I didn't think they were...
Jan 17 18:46:31 <Digital_Pioneer> I've never seen one, personally though.
Jan 17 18:46:57 <zash_> why didn't they use standard SD?
Jan 17 18:47:46 <Digital_Pioneer> Because it's massive?'
Jan 17 18:47:47 <lindi-> zash_: it's much larger?
Jan 17 18:47:47 <zash_> SDHC's in 32GB exists
Jan 17 18:48:46 <Toaster`> Ok, I need some basic *nix help.  I'm trying to `ln -s`  a file to a named link in the same directory, and it's not letting me.  Any idea why?
Jan 17 18:48:56 <Digital_Pioneer> Ahhh, Radio Shack... Can't beat a deal like that! $55 for an 8GB microSD w/ adapter.
Jan 17 18:48:59 <zash_> Toaster`: same name?
Jan 17 18:49:19 <Toaster`> zash_: no
Jan 17 18:49:26 <Toaster`> different names
Jan 17 18:49:30 <zash_> Toaster`: what does it say
Jan 17 18:49:57 <Toaster`> Operation not permitted
Jan 17 18:50:15 <zash_> Toaster`: do you have write-permission?
Jan 17 18:50:34 <Toaster`> it's on my FR where I'm root, so I should hope so
Jan 17 18:51:11 <Digital_Pioneer> Unfortunately, Newegg has no 8GB microSDs in stock now, it seems.
Jan 17 18:51:18 <zash_> Toaster`: can you paste the full command?
Jan 17 18:51:23 * Digital_Pioneer only ever buys electronics from Newegg.
Jan 17 18:52:35 <Toaster`> zash_: Sure, "ln -s mesdeliv.wav sms_tone".  I'm trying to abstract my ringtones out of the *.ymal files to make my life easier
Jan 17 18:52:51 <Digital_Pioneer> Toaster`: Should be able to just `ln -s /path/to/real/file /path/to/symlink`
Jan 17 18:53:17 <Toaster`> Digital_Pioneer: I know, I tested it on my desktop and all is fine there.  But no go on my FR
Jan 17 18:53:21 <Digital_Pioneer> Toaster`: If you're sure there's no file sms_tone to destroy, you can `ln -sf` and that might do it.
Jan 17 18:53:42 <Toaster`> Digital_Pioneer: new and clean directory.  And I had tried that as well
Jan 17 18:53:51 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm.
Jan 17 18:54:02 * Digital_Pioneer blames busybox.
Jan 17 18:54:20 <zash_> Toaster`: what file-system is it?
Jan 17 18:54:35 <Toaster`> zash_: it's on my SD card
Jan 17 18:54:45 <zash_> Toaster`: and it is formatted with what?
Jan 17 18:54:52 <Toaster`> fat
Jan 17 18:55:01 <zash_> does fat have symlinks?
Jan 17 18:55:04 <lindi-> no
Jan 17 18:55:09 <Toaster`> ahh
Jan 17 18:55:12 <Toaster`> that would do it
Jan 17 18:55:31 <Toaster`> And so I learn.  Thanks guys
Jan 17 18:55:35 <zash_> :D
Jan 17 18:55:45 <Sharwin_F> Has someone been able to "opkg update & upgrade" shr-unstable successfully today? I get errors on gtk+, pygtk and initscripts-openmoko and then apps crashed at lanching cause there's no pygtk
Jan 17 18:56:02 <Sharwin_F> and I can put in the PIN number to use it as a mobile >.<
Jan 17 18:56:44 <laen> Ssshhhh!
Jan 17 18:56:59 <Tm_T> it's not a phone!
Jan 17 18:57:01 * Tm_T hides
Jan 17 18:57:10 <Sharwin_F> *can't
Jan 17 18:57:43 <Sharwin_F> mmm at this moment no... but i can throw it to someone... so it's "useful" anyway... xD
Jan 17 18:58:08 <Digital_Pioneer> Toaster`: Ahhh, the curse of crappy filesystems. :)
Jan 17 18:58:11 <laen> I think it works, my openmoko. I don't get called that much anymore, lovely!
Jan 17 18:59:09 <laen> My phonebill has shrunk too. So, i've got no complaints about my sweet moko at all =)
Jan 17 18:59:16 <Toaster`> Digital_Pioneer: Pretty much.  Knowing that I've sorted it out now.  Next time I update my SD card, I'll have to put something useful on there :)
Jan 17 18:59:17 <Sharwin_F> lol
Jan 17 18:59:28 <Digital_Pioneer> Toaster`: Indeed. :P
Jan 17 18:59:44 <mirko-paroli> laen: a big an joyful LOL
Jan 17 19:00:10 <Sharwin_F> but I' like to at least be able to run apps on my freerunner when I'm bored...
Jan 17 19:00:18 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, seems any time I try to answer an incoming call it hangs up on it anyways.
Jan 17 19:00:28 <Digital_Pioneer> So when I call them back, ophonekitd seems to crash after the call.
Jan 17 19:01:14 <Digital_Pioneer> So... How usable is shr-unstable compared to shr-testing?
Jan 17 19:01:47 <Toaster`> Weird I'm using my FR as my daily phone without many troubles at all
Jan 17 19:01:51 <Toaster`> SHR-testing
Jan 17 19:02:51 <Sharwin_F> is here any shr developer which applies a bit of magic to the feeds to make my openmoko launch apps? :D
Jan 17 19:04:08 <moritz> Hi
Jan 17 19:04:13 <Sharwin_F> hi :)
Jan 17 19:06:20 <laen> Toaster`: which distro?
Jan 17 19:06:34 <moritz> I would like to try to use my Freerunner as a "usb sound card", through the PulseAudio server. I installed several pulseaudio related packages, including pulseaudio-server, but I don't have /etc/init.d/pulseaudio. (I am using Om.2008). Three questions: how can I figure out which package provides that init script? does pulseaudio generally work? how can I set it up?
Jan 17 19:09:41 <Toaster`> laen: SHR-testing
Jan 17 19:13:08 <lindi-> moritz: pulseaudio is ran as normal user mostly
Jan 17 19:22:55 <Toaster`> hrm, it doesn't seem to be working as planned.
Jan 17 19:24:10 <Toaster`> I can play the linked files directly, but incoming calls aren't playing them
Jan 17 19:24:55 <Toaster`> What does frameworkd use to play ringtones?
Jan 17 19:54:43 <Toaster`> Can anyone help me with a dbus audio question?  Specifically, I'm trying to play an audio file via dbus, and not having success.  Any dbus gurus out there to help?
Jan 17 19:58:25 <Toaster`> ok, hold on my last
Jan 17 20:00:50 <Sharwin_F> someone using FSO? is unstable working well or I'd use testing?
Jan 17 20:01:08 <Toaster`> does dbus follow symlinks properly?  IE: ...PlaySound "symlink" 0 0; where symlink -> file.wav?
Jan 17 20:01:34 <Toaster`> I know the above fails, but I'm  trying to find out where
Jan 17 20:09:21 <Toaster`> And it seems that dbus won't follow symlinks.  Crap
Jan 17 20:09:39 <Toaster`> Anyone have any ideas how to make it work?
Jan 17 20:39:44 <CIA-47> openmoko: 03werner * r4889 10/developers/werner/bin/ (gg ggq): Extended gg to also work with "quilt edit" (through ggq)
Jan 17 20:46:30 <Sharwin_F> Last fso-testing image gets frozen at some point while loading the kernel... Starting freesmartphone.org gspd compatibility daemon: (ok)
Jan 17 21:08:40 <Deubeuliou> I'm trying to compile with gcc on the FreeRunner, but I get this error:
Jan 17 21:08:43 <Deubeuliou> gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
Jan 17 21:09:05 <Deubeuliou> I don't know wich package contains this
Jan 17 21:09:07 <cjb> binutils
Jan 17 21:09:21 <Deubeuliou> ok. I can't install it :/
Jan 17 21:09:35 <Deubeuliou> (maybe I should update)
Jan 17 21:10:37 <Deubeuliou> No, I still can't install it: An error ocurred, return value: -49936.
Jan 17 21:11:40 <Deubeuliou> i seems not to be in the repos. I'm using SHR
Jan 17 21:12:01 <Deubeuliou> s/i seems/it seems/
Jan 17 21:12:01 <apt> Deubeuliou meant: it seems not to be in the repos. I'm using SHR
Jan 17 21:12:48 <Sharwin_F> has somebody booted successfully last testing/unstable FSO image? it doesn't boot T_T
Jan 17 21:30:19 <baba_melone> Hi, Im trying to use FSO (ms 4.1) now, but there are some problems im having with it. Firstly, it doesnt work anymore after a opkg upgrade, the x server doesnt start anymore, and it produces no error messages. Besides (without upgrading) I tried and install zhone, but it didnt work, I get the python error: SyntaxError: encoding problem: with BOM
Jan 17 22:05:46 <XTaran> Hi. .oO( Oh, that's quite a lot of people in here... :-)
Jan 17 22:06:13 <henk> hi XTaran 
Jan 17 22:07:02 <henk> XTaran: you might be interested in #openmoko-debian and #neo1973-germany as well, i think ;)
Jan 17 22:07:27 <XTaran> henk: Hey, how do you know? :)
Jan 17 22:07:48 <XTaran> henk: Well, Switzerland, but yeah. :)
Jan 17 22:09:01 <XTaran> henk: Ok, I'll try #debian-openmoko first with my questions -- since the install scripts for debian didn't work here.
Jan 17 22:09:09 <XTaran> henk: OFTC or Freenode btw?
Jan 17 22:09:12 <henk> XTaran: the partitioning part?
Jan 17 22:09:15 <henk> XTaran: both
Jan 17 22:09:27 <henk> XTaran: ah the two channels... freenode
Jan 17 22:09:28 <XTaran> henk: Nope, the configure nand uboot part
Jan 17 22:09:54 <XTaran> henk: Right, the question was about the channels. :)
Jan 17 22:10:26 * XTaran got an endless loop after using http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh
Jan 17 22:11:10 <XTaran> But I'll check #debian-openmoko for that first. Thanks so far. :)
Jan 17 22:12:12 <henk> ah, i did my env by hand... good luck
Jan 17 22:12:14 <henk> bbl
Jan 17 22:12:33 <XTaran> Argh, #openmoko-debian, not #debian-openmoko. :)
Jan 17 22:16:08 <PaulFertser_> XTaran: i advice you to take a look at Qi, it's simpler and more robust than u-boot.
Jan 17 22:17:12 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: Could be an option, thanks for the hint.
Jan 17 22:18:19 <PaulFertser_> XTaran: wiki doesn't have the info yet, but you can choose what you want to boot even with Qi. Pressing AUX while the red LED is on skips current boot possibility.
Jan 17 22:18:45 <PaulFertser_> XTaran: Qi works faster and predictable, and doesn't depend on any kind of environment, that is too easy to mess up.
Jan 17 22:19:54 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: #openmoko-debian helped, I need a newer uboot version. Will try that. If that fails, too, I'll try Qi.
Jan 17 22:20:42 <PaulFertser_> XTaran: go ahead, but remember, u-boot for FR has some known bugs with access to larger SDs and is no more maintained.
Jan 17 22:21:45 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: uboot is no more maintained? That
Jan 17 22:21:49 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: uboot is no more maintained? That's new to me.
Jan 17 22:22:05 <PaulFertser_> XTaran: it's no more maintained for GTA02
Jan 17 22:22:12 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: I'll keep that in mind since I have an 8 GB microSD.
Jan 17 22:22:15 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: Ah, ok.
Jan 17 22:22:33 <XTaran> PaulFertser_: Interesting though. Wouldn't have expect this.
Jan 17 22:23:13 <PaulFertser_> XTaran: u-boot is support hell. And it doesn't make much sense to port more and more drivers from Linux to u-boot anyway.
Jan 17 22:32:14 <badcloud> anyone know of a yaml editor/mp3 converter?
Jan 17 22:32:34 <lindi-> yaml editor and mp3 converter sound entirely different things? ;)
Jan 17 22:32:42 <badcloud> yup
Jan 17 22:33:16 <badcloud> one, the other, or both would be stellar
Jan 17 22:37:50 <lindi-> badcloud: dunno, i just edit yaml with emacs. would mp3 converter mean that it reads mp3 and produces something else?
Jan 17 22:39:39 <badcloud> hmmm, I'm not familiar with the yaml format, so I don't know
Jan 17 22:39:46 <lindi-> it's just text
Jan 17 22:39:53 <badcloud> gotcha
Jan 17 22:39:57 <badcloud> thanks
Jan 17 22:40:44 <badcloud> I'll try using emacs
Jan 17 23:16:00 <imme-emosol> How do I find out what distro I am currently using... :S
Jan 17 23:16:11 <imme-emosol> I think it's om2008.8   but I'm not sure. :S
Jan 17 23:27:22 <PaulFertser_> imme-emosol: install SHR and you'll know for sure ;)
Jan 17 23:27:36 <imme-emosol> ghehe... :)
Jan 17 23:30:50 <imme-emosol> I'm not that confident just yet...
Jan 17 23:33:11 <imme-emosol> Where can I browse the opkg repo, like aptitude/apt-get 's search command ?
Jan 17 23:33:38 <sakkara> opkg list | grep bla
Jan 17 23:34:12 <imme-emosol> hmmm crude...   (liking it...)
Jan 17 23:48:08 <DocScruntinizer2> s/ grep bla/ less/
Jan 17 23:48:59 <imme-emosol> DocScruntinizer2: That's really _to_ crude...   I will have to read... :P
Jan 17 23:49:59 <DocScruntinizer2> imme-emosol: nah, don't worry. you'll probably need to install less first ;-)
Jan 17 23:51:05 <imme-emosol> DocScruntinizer2: lol. It know redirect stdin to vi... :P
Jan 17 23:51:53 <DocScruntinizer2> *that's* really sophisticated :P
Jan 17 23:56:28 <imme-emosol> shouldn't in the gst-plugins-good package be code to read .au-files?
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