**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 19 02:59:57 2009 Jan 19 03:06:01 monday yet/ Jan 19 03:15:16 No, go away! Jan 19 03:18:04 wa ke up Jan 19 03:21:43 what no more ultraunstable? Jan 19 03:25:23 fso m5 going to come out about the same time as shr baby? Jan 19 03:25:42 maybe Jan 19 03:25:47 uncertain of fso at this point Jan 19 03:25:54 the milestones are really up in the air at this point Jan 19 03:26:05 really depends what bugs are quashed and how fast people can get around to it :) Jan 19 03:26:10 maybe late Jan 19 03:26:15 I'd ask in #openmoko-cdevel tomorrow :) Jan 19 03:26:38 ahhh i will see it when i see it Jan 19 03:26:52 yep yep :) Jan 19 03:26:53 be patient Jan 19 03:27:44 i installed the 2008.12 improved an i thought it was shr for about a week:) Jan 19 03:28:12 oh hehehee :P Jan 19 03:28:14 surprise! Jan 19 03:28:23 it was funny Jan 19 03:29:12 do u have the unstable shr installed today? Jan 19 03:29:43 i was hoping the sound problems were ironed out Jan 19 03:35:35 I'm not sure. Jan 19 05:43:04 he W.E. Phone drastically reduces the E waste and carbon footprint in comparison to a desktop computer by Incorporating a virtual laser keyboard and LED projector in a future mode Jan 19 05:58:35 hmmm Jan 19 05:58:40 debian for openmoko must be pretty stable Jan 19 06:03:20 not sure what you mean by that... Jan 19 06:54:15 good morning Jan 19 08:39:05 good morning Jan 19 09:26:52 hi Jan 19 11:53:14 I updated my openmoko to Om2008.12 Update today after not using it for about 2 months, wow what an improvement, better touchscreen, less freezing and much faster boot time, haven't made or received calls yet though Jan 19 11:55:39 projektdotnet: Haven't been able to get the full keyboard though. Jan 19 11:56:16 alephnull: i haven't tried as of yet, read something about having to edit a file in the ASU theme Jan 19 11:56:58 didn't wfm ... Jan 19 11:57:29 don't put too much energy in this release... om is not going to maintain it like it is atm. Jan 19 11:58:08 What is om planning to maintain then ? Jan 19 11:58:32 alephnull: the next releases are going to be based on fso Jan 19 11:59:01 henk: do you know if they'll have a decent front end that actually sends the tones from the keypad for those of us who like to delete voicemail messages? Jan 19 11:59:05 fso is the middleware so not much should change Jan 19 11:59:16 I see. I thought 2008.12 was based on fso. Wasn't 2008.8 ? Jan 19 11:59:21 dns: right... let's wait and see. Jan 19 11:59:24 shr is what i use Jan 19 11:59:30 alephnull: 2008.8 was not Jan 19 11:59:31 alephnull: i don't think so... Jan 19 11:59:41 that's 'asu' afaik Jan 19 11:59:49 ok Jan 19 11:59:52 2008.8 used the qtopia staci Jan 19 11:59:55 henk is right still just an updated ASU right now Jan 19 11:59:56 stack Jan 19 12:00:09 dns: i have shr in the nand, but i've given up on using the hardware as a phone actually. Jan 19 12:01:12 henk shr would be great if it resumed from suspend consistantly, i can make phone calls and receive sms Jan 19 12:01:34 all I can say is that if they can't get the GTA02 to work as a phone properly I'll probably NOT be purchasing future revisions, I spend $450 to have the phone and I've been stuck on my samsung that constantly restarts and is ready to be replaced Jan 19 12:02:26 I'm actually heavily considering purchasing a G1 Jan 19 12:02:37 dns: shr is nice basically, yes... Jan 19 12:02:53 hello Jan 19 12:03:32 has anyone used qt-extended in neo? Jan 19 12:03:33 it works as a phone if you use qtopia or the 2008.x series Jan 19 12:03:51 basus: yes Jan 19 12:03:55 basus i test all of them ocasionally Jan 19 12:03:56 dns: no. Jan 19 12:04:11 dns: have you read 'experiences with gta02' on the ML? Jan 19 12:04:24 i seem to have trouble to use third-party libraries with the new qbuild system Jan 19 12:04:45 henk i gave up on the mailing list months ago Jan 19 12:04:59 any ideas how they should be used? Jan 19 12:05:27 projektdotnet: what part are you working on? Jan 19 12:05:40 how would you compile it on your desktop? i believe it uses the same system and just cross compiles it for the hardware Jan 19 12:05:47 lindi-: ?? Jan 19 12:06:03 projektdotnet: of the phone software Jan 19 12:06:17 dns: ok, craig woodward posted his experiences with 2008.12. quite interesting imho. Jan 19 12:06:18 lindi-: I'm not, I don't know how to program Jan 19 12:06:20 projektdotnet make sure you get the dev phone from google so you can potentially change the os Jan 19 12:07:02 projektdotnet: then it's bit tricky. are you willing to learn? even with little programming knowledge you can do a lot of bug reporting Jan 19 12:07:09 henk i might check the archives Jan 19 12:07:18 i wonder why they had to stop using the qmake and build qbuild instead Jan 19 12:07:39 lindi-: I'd love to learn but haven't been able to wrap my head around anything harder than a bash script Jan 19 12:09:07 projektdotnet: if you have time you can always start learning. however if you don't then it's bit difficult to help indeed Jan 19 12:09:42 lindi-: I've got plenty of time, the job market out here is crap and my car died a couple months ago so I don't often leave the house lol Jan 19 12:12:02 lindi-: the question i have is where do i start? Jan 19 12:13:59 gotta hurry to a bus... Jan 19 12:14:00 projektdotnet build a desktop app on your compuer first, get something working there then try and port it Jan 19 12:14:27 if you know python, perl or java things should be easy Jan 19 12:14:43 java, YUCK Jan 19 12:15:17 I'd probably go for python or perl but I REFUSE to touch java, if I can avoid it I won't even run anything written in java, slows down the PC way too much Jan 19 12:15:42 java sucks in startup time but makes up for it in the long run Jan 19 12:16:09 henk: Do you have a link for Woodward's post ? Jan 19 12:16:22 it is getting better and a running app will beat an optomised c app in many situations Jan 19 12:16:34 dns: I used to use java apps but they start sucking up memory and CPU, good example would be azereus Jan 19 12:16:54 err azureus rather Jan 19 12:22:15 Hey, what does "pass the bucket" mean? Jan 19 12:24:02 alephnull: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2009-January/004503.html Jan 19 12:24:10 Thank you. Jan 19 12:24:46 PaulFertser_: what's your native language? Jan 19 12:25:50 henk: Russian obscene language ;) Jan 19 12:26:47 PaulFertser_: 'to pass something' = 'to give something to someone', 'pass the buck' = 'make someone else responsible for something' i guess. Jan 19 12:30:35 henk: buck==bucket? What's the etimology of this one? And what did Alan Cox mean ( http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/7661 ) ? Jan 19 12:32:43 PaulFertser_: i couldn't find the idiom 'pass the bucket' at all, so i was assuming you meant 'buck'... wait a sec, i'll read. Jan 19 12:33:09 henk: i found "pass the buck" myself, i'm not that bad at googling ;) Jan 19 12:33:58 PaulFertser_: i was already wondering 'g' ok, i think it's not an idiom but rather an implication: he needs the bucket so he won't vomit on the floor, i guess... Jan 19 12:34:12 that's how i would interpret that. Jan 19 12:35:44 anyone in here using SHR and if so what is your opinion of the current release of SHR? Jan 19 12:35:50 henk: Oh, well, thanks a lot for the clarification :) Jan 19 12:36:45 PaulFertser_: i'm just guessing. that's what it would mean in german. ask a native english speaker to be sure, perhaps. Jan 19 12:37:39 henk: I've not heard 'pass the bucket' before, I've always seen Jan 19 12:37:42 pass the buck Jan 19 12:38:12 so I would assume that unless the original speaker meant pass the buck that you would be on the right track Jan 19 12:39:29 projektdotnet: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/7661 read the whole mail please. the context might give 'pass me a bucket' a meaning. Jan 19 12:39:49 projektdotnet: ah good :) Jan 19 12:40:57 henk: after looking over that it does appear the original poster is referring to having a place to vomit, I personally prefer the restroom, easier to clean (just a quick flush and it's gone) Jan 19 12:41:28 projektdotnet: hrhr ok Jan 19 12:42:31 now to test SHR, see how well that performs compared to 2008.12 Jan 19 12:42:51 err shr-lite rather Jan 19 12:45:19 projektdotnet: i tried shr (full), it was better than 2008.* Jan 19 12:45:35 shr full just has more apps Jan 19 12:45:41 Well you might want to wait for the latest unstable Jan 19 12:45:44 e seems slow Jan 19 12:46:10 Ainulindale: since I'm not using this as my day-to-day phone I am just playing around out of boredem right now Jan 19 12:48:57 e is as fast as the hardware can use, it works great on a palm trio Jan 19 12:50:09 dns: e is slow because something was borked in the image, that was the meaning of my comment Jan 19 12:50:47 and latest kernel seems to happily BSOD my work XP computer Jan 19 12:50:59 So it's a bit tricky to investigate right now Jan 19 13:03:37 shr-lite, the time is wrong, anyone know how to change that? Jan 19 13:09:49 nevermind, figured it out Jan 19 13:14:51 folks, need your help in making adb work on windows with openmoko Jan 19 13:19:00 hi there Jan 19 13:20:40 my regular cell broke so I'm tryin to use my freerunner as my regular phone. but the current distro I use ( OM2008.12 ) has some glitches make it hard to use. Has any of you a *stable/daily use* freeruuner and can recommend a distro/configuratino Jan 19 13:20:42 ? Jan 19 13:22:02 p0seid0n_: i'd try shr or hackable:1 Jan 19 13:22:31 k. "hackable" sounds not that stable ;-) Jan 19 13:22:53 but what about shr? do the use the new 2008.12 kernel ? Jan 19 13:23:31 p0seid0n_: I've got it on the current phone and although it is fairly stable there are some rather annoying issues on it, I'm going back to 2008.12 for now myself Jan 19 13:23:50 projektdotnet: what issues? (just curious) Jan 19 13:24:22 and i _really_ doubt 2008.12 is any better than shr. afaict it's (apart from 2007.2) the worst distro out there. Jan 19 13:24:26 henk: PIM and SMS issues (not being able to easily store new contacts, not being able to sms using contact's name, etc) Jan 19 13:24:30 2008.12 is pretty fast, but has still some suspend problems for me Jan 19 13:24:43 sometimes just does not wakeupt Jan 19 13:24:52 hey, being able to sms at all is a good start... Jan 19 13:25:29 henk: other than the annoying keyboard in previous 2008.x versions i hadn't had any problems Jan 19 13:25:35 * Weiss wonders how many of the problems people often report are due to bouncing calypso Jan 19 13:25:35 and the timestamp was correct Jan 19 13:26:10 projektdotnet: and you are sure you receive all the sms other people send you and you are sure all sms you send are received by who should receive them? Jan 19 13:26:47 p0seid0n_: shr or qtopia Jan 19 13:27:02 henk: right now my phone is inbound only anyway since my bill is a wee bit past due Jan 19 13:27:13 so most of the issues are moot Jan 19 13:27:19 ok Jan 19 13:27:51 was actually thinking about testing out koolu's new android images Jan 19 13:28:27 i tried qtopia once and it was pretty good. Jan 19 13:28:44 I've used it in the past, not the best but pretty usable overall Jan 19 13:28:59 but i don't think they use the 2008.12 kernel. and anything before that was pretty bad with suspend/wakeup Jan 19 13:35:42 hi. i am using shr and i am trying atm to use my bluetooth, but he cant find any device. i typed "echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset" and also with power_on but "hciconfig" doesnt echo a device and also hciconfig hci0 up says that there is no such device Jan 19 13:37:00 root_at: Are you using andy-tracking? Jan 19 13:37:15 root_at: have you suspended after boot? Jan 19 13:37:34 root_at: does suspend work with shr ? Jan 19 13:37:36 root_at: you should do echo 1 > power_on and echo 0 > reset Jan 19 13:37:51 suspend should work everywhere, why not? Jan 19 13:38:09 i just rebooted and it still doesnt work // my suspend works // whats andy-tracking? //will try echo 1 now Jan 19 13:38:31 projektdotnet: never managed to get android boot Jan 19 13:38:44 raph_ael: andy-tracking is a branch of git.openmoko.org/linux-2.6 Jan 19 13:38:52 still no hci0 after echo 1 > power_on Jan 19 13:39:09 raph_ael: did you have the sd card inserted and have it partitioned properly? android will not boot otherwise Jan 19 13:39:58 hciconfig echoes nochting at all, also not with -a and hciconfig hci0 says that there is no such device Jan 19 13:40:23 projektdotnet: did not use a sd card, maybe that's why Jan 19 13:40:33 lindi-: excuse me ? Jan 19 13:40:42 root_at: meant you Jan 19 13:40:52 ahh Jan 19 13:41:19 PaulFerster: cause my 2008.12 sometimes does not wake up from suspend Jan 19 13:41:32 raph_ael: indeed, without a properly partitioned SD card then android will never boot Jan 19 13:42:09 projektdotnet: well i'll retry but not sure it's really useful to try :) Jan 19 13:42:25 so i dont use andy-tracking, i think Jan 19 13:42:43 raph_ael: android still has a ways to go on the FR but I have been able to play with it on the G1, it's nice Jan 19 13:43:33 projektdotnet: does it have a package manager other than an iphone crappy appstore like ? Jan 19 13:44:12 raph_ael: I didn't try that, I was mostly checking out the browser and other built-in apps, I haven't looked at the dev model so I'm not sure there either Jan 19 13:45:45 oh Jan 19 13:46:02 well i should try a bit more my openmoko but it's barely day to day usable Jan 19 13:48:10 ok now its work, after typing in again echo 0 > reset..i think this ssh is a lil bit shitty? Jan 19 13:49:00 i am not sure if its my xterm(not using it long) or this ssh..but sometimes i type ifconfig eth0 and its really written there, but he echoes "eth: no such device" or similiar things Jan 19 13:55:30 hi folks, any of you guys know how to transfer file between openmoko with android and windows? Jan 19 14:00:16 vvbi: sorry, cant help you. but can you tell me how android works on your phone. Is it usable as a everyday phone ? Jan 19 14:00:39 does anyone know why my pc can find my neo but my neo cant find my pc? Jan 19 14:00:50 (talking about bluetooth, hcitool scan) Jan 19 14:02:10 root_at: because there are probably no services on the pc... Jan 19 14:02:47 my mobilephone finds my pc Jan 19 14:03:05 with mobilephone i dont mean my neo ; ) Jan 19 14:03:42 hm perhaps your pc doesn't want to be found? Jan 19 14:04:25 root_at: because the proper bluez services aren't setup Jan 19 14:04:35 ok scan doesnt find him, but i can connect Jan 19 14:04:47 root_at: a bluetooth USB device isn't active until it's had stuff done to it Jan 19 14:05:04 software installed to listen to it and configure it. Jan 19 14:05:11 how u mean "stuff done to it"? Jan 19 14:05:19 one bluez to bind them all, and in the darkness find them. Jan 19 14:08:49 p0seid0n: the phone is stable.. receiving and making calls are good/stable to my surprise... other thn that wifi/bluetooth does not work out of the box.. i am currently using an older version of koolu's build.. heard they have fixed that in the latest build Jan 19 14:09:38 vvbi: for me gsm doesnt work at the beginning, but wifi did work when i first time tried it, to my surprise Jan 19 14:22:40 i reckon it would be good to encrypt phone calls over gsm, with white noise encryption or something. Jan 19 14:22:59 do i need pand for a normal bluetooth connection(wanna try remoko)? Jan 19 14:23:53 root_at: what's a 'normal bluetooth connection'? ;) Jan 19 14:24:21 i just wanna try remoko Jan 19 14:26:06 it works, and its fun : D Jan 19 14:53:57 hi Jan 19 14:54:03 is this the right place to ask about building FSO? Jan 19 14:54:55 ysakaed: try #openmoko-cdevel Jan 19 14:55:25 thanks Jan 19 15:05:19 does anyone has any idea where i can find the android image for neo1973? Jan 19 15:27:55 why is libnotify not in the shr repo? and how can i install it it otherwise? Jan 19 15:32:07 root_at: yes perl-iwatch would be cool Jan 19 16:00:55 perl-iwatch? i need it for the gestures Jan 19 16:03:01 can i browse somewhere through the whole repo? so i could give opkg a url Jan 19 16:10:22 is the gprs guide in wiki still correct for 2008.12 ? Jan 19 16:10:44 Why is 2.5 jack choosen instead of some 3.5 variant? Jan 19 16:13:33 imme-emosol: space constraints, apparently. Jan 19 16:14:10 mwester: Is that really all there is to it, just the amount of space inside the phone?? Jan 19 16:14:14 okay... Jan 19 16:34:44 does anyone has any idea where i can find the android image for neo1973? Jan 19 16:36:41 nope, sorry Jan 19 16:52:47 could someone help me figure out why Enlightenment is segging an hour after I flashed the kernel and rootfs? Jan 19 16:56:54 or at least tell me which distro other than shr can work wake on event as gracefully? Jan 19 17:14:13 bah Jan 19 17:40:22 does anyone know why my freerunner stops when i try to connect with hcitool cc ? with hidd --connect its working Jan 19 18:39:47 does shr allow multiplexing of the gsm modul? i want to use gprs Jan 19 18:40:58 ohh i see, i just need gsm0710muxd Jan 19 18:42:32 enlightement and 30% CPU ^^ cant see it anymore Jan 19 18:46:57 how can i use gprs with shr? there is no gprson...and i dont need to install anything, do i? Jan 19 18:52:15 root_at: do you have working multiplexing in gsm/gprs? Jan 19 18:59:10 i am not sure, but i have gsm0710muxd Jan 19 19:01:56 husku: can i try this in any way, or do i have it for sure when i have gsm0710musx? Jan 19 19:02:05 gsm0710muxd* Jan 19 19:20:32 root_at: activate gprs using FSO instructions. Should work out of the box. Jan 19 19:25:30 hello Jan 19 19:25:44 i have a free runner Jan 19 19:25:51 o rly? : D Jan 19 19:26:05 lol Jan 19 19:26:16 i tried to install debian Jan 19 19:26:19 but no go Jan 19 19:26:28 PaulFertser_: the link to freeyourphone.de? Jan 19 19:26:56 ski||Z: did u look up the wiki? Jan 19 19:27:02 oh ya Jan 19 19:27:14 root_at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO Jan 19 19:27:19 it thought i followed it Jan 19 19:29:13 did u flash with dfu-util or with neotool(which uses dfu-util) and have u pressed the aux-button and then the power button? Jan 19 19:30:15 i used the install.sh Jan 19 19:30:19 from ... Jan 19 19:30:20 ski||Z: what went wrong? Jan 19 19:30:46 well first it failed at making aprtitions Jan 19 19:30:53 partitions* Jan 19 19:31:01 but i checked and they werre there Jan 19 19:31:16 so i proceeded from there Jan 19 19:31:21 everything went ok Jan 19 19:31:25 it seemed Jan 19 19:31:40 then i did the uboot change Jan 19 19:31:46 and rebooted Jan 19 19:32:01 now i get the openmoko splash then white screen repeatedely Jan 19 19:32:18 i can still boot the OM2008.12 Jan 19 19:32:51 ihave had this for a while and no time to play with it Jan 19 19:33:27 any ideas? Jan 19 19:33:41 <----newb Jan 19 19:34:10 hmmm lets see if i can get an error Jan 19 19:34:57 ski||Z: generally, you should use qi. read the wiki page about it, it is/will be the better bootloader. Jan 19 19:35:17 ok Jan 19 19:35:23 henk: :) Jan 19 19:35:25 i was hoping to get some advice Jan 19 19:35:33 there seems to be quite an ecosystem Jan 19 19:35:52 PaulFertser_: :-p Jan 19 19:36:24 henk: BTW, after your rework the Qi wiki page become very detailed and useful, i think somebody should propose to use Qi to the wider audience, e.g. on the community ML. Jan 19 19:36:26 ski||Z: since there is nothing to loose yet, i'd suggest you first switch to qi and learn about it ;) Jan 19 19:37:23 yeah i will Jan 19 19:37:28 just trying to boot it once more Jan 19 19:37:38 now it appears stuck on splash Jan 19 19:38:47 PaulFertser_: good to hear :) i'll probably do that as soon as the next boot problem is on the list 'g' Jan 19 19:39:41 PaulFertser_: but i can't guarantee... i'm rather busy the next 2 months i guess and especially the next 4 weeks... Jan 19 19:41:28 henk: yeah. I think i'll try to write a good advertising letter this week. It'd be better to have this letter written by a native speaker, but nobody seem to be going to do that, so i'll probably volunteer myself. :) Jan 19 19:42:31 i can't find anything about how to install qi Jan 19 19:43:06 PaulFertser_: i can proofread it if you want. my english is not too bad i guess. don't know how it compares to yours of course ;) Jan 19 19:43:13 ski||Z: the wiki page should tell you. Jan 19 19:44:03 henk: Mine is officially Cambridge certified :p Jan 19 19:44:27 PaulFertser_: then it's probably better than mine. i only had gymnasium english for 7 years. Jan 19 19:44:33 in germany... Jan 19 19:45:15 i took part in the IB classes but still not cambridge 'g' Jan 19 19:46:46 henk: Oh, i had an opportunity to prepare for Cambridge FCE exam at my institute. FCE is not that fancy, it's lowest level, not comparable to TOEFL. Jan 19 19:47:17 hm, i've heard of toefl... a friend of mine had to take it when he wanted to study at the mit. Jan 19 19:47:21 afair Jan 19 19:50:27 you heard about TOEIC? Jan 19 19:50:51 PaulFertser_: i used the script from the link u sended me. when i do gprs-on now(i filled in the apn, username and the password is nothing so i have a x there too) he works for some seconds and echoes nochting, and i dont get internet connection, and when i do gprs-off then i get "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: DeactivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.NotFound" Jan 19 19:52:06 is it possible that i get this because my apn/username/password is wrong? Jan 19 19:53:54 root_at: check your frameworkd.log first. Then probably /var/log/messages. I'm not sure how exactly syslogd is configured on SHR though. Jan 19 19:56:25 How can I send chords like C-c or C-r to the terminal? Jan 19 19:56:59 which distribution are you using? Jan 19 19:57:10 I can do that easily with FSO, which has a keyboard with ctrl/alt chars on Jan 19 19:57:42 PaulFertser_: http://nopaste.biz/62548 this seems to be all the stuff in the log from the gprs Jan 19 19:59:02 root_at: See logread -f for output :) Jan 19 20:00:20 logread -f seems to echo nothing..but maybe cause i already did gprs-off Jan 19 20:01:33 root_at: check your syslogd configuration for that. Also, if you don't start gprs, does mickeyterm work for you? Jan 19 20:02:04 he echoed something now.. Jan 19 20:04:09 ok i think i found some instructions but I am a bit lost Jan 19 20:04:37 i don't even know if this is a GTA01,2,3 Jan 19 20:04:50 ski||Z: Freerunner is GTA02 Jan 19 20:05:18 k Jan 19 20:05:24 alright i graqbbed the file Jan 19 20:05:37 now it says to dfu Jan 19 20:06:12 root_at: i dont have a working setup, im also a bit lost with gsm0710muxd and pppd... Jan 19 20:06:14 im scared ill brick the thing Jan 19 20:07:05 is that it just get this file and dfu? Jan 19 20:07:14 Has anyone used omview? Jan 19 20:07:41 omview kept crashing on me Jan 19 20:07:59 It does not show the images Jan 19 20:08:30 And it crashes when I enter in a directory with files that are not images Jan 19 20:08:36 yep Jan 19 20:08:51 hmm, i think i got gprs working... Jan 19 20:08:52 Any app for image viewing? Jan 19 20:08:52 PaulFertser_: this echoes logread -f now: http://nopaste.biz/62551 Jan 19 20:09:25 emsyr: opkg.org ; ) Jan 19 20:09:57 root_at: What do you mean? Jan 19 20:10:04 root_at: that "virtual channel 8" is exceptionally bad. Jan 19 20:10:21 PaulFertser_: what does this mean for me? Jan 19 20:10:27 root_at: kill -9 Jan 19 20:10:28 hey it booted Jan 19 20:10:36 emsyr: visit www.opkg.org an look for a imageviewer Jan 19 20:10:41 it vibrated a little then booted from flash it looks Jan 19 20:10:42 like Jan 19 20:10:50 ?? Jan 19 20:10:58 root_at: OK. Thanx :) Jan 19 20:11:05 emsyr: np Jan 19 20:11:55 PaulFertser_: newline unexpected? Jan 19 20:12:31 root_at: where? Jan 19 20:14:25 oh, i think u didnt want me to type in "kill -9 " or did u? Jan 19 20:15:25 root_at: I wanted you to kill with SIGKILL the process named gsm0710muxd :) Jan 19 20:16:43 root_at: after you kill gsm0710muxd, FSO should restart it automatically but no extra channels will be used (and calypso can operate only 4), and you'll be able to connect to GPRS. Jan 19 20:17:11 root_at: gsm0710mux has some nasty problems, but that will improve really soon. Jan 19 20:20:08 still doesnt work..doing it with logread -f again Jan 19 20:22:38 how do i change what qi tries to boot Jan 19 20:23:33 PaulFertser_: http://nopaste.biz/62555 started so good : ( Jan 19 20:25:36 oh, i think most of this echoed things are not from the gprs Jan 19 20:25:54 root_at: Ah, that's sim pin. Do you really need it? It always messes something up ;) Jan 19 20:26:24 oh yeah, i read it but i forget to disable it. can i do it with the neo? Jan 19 20:26:40 root_at: What you really need then is: turn off the phone application. After that gsm0710muxd should be killed automatically. Then turn it on again. Then repeat the GPRS parts. Jan 19 20:26:46 root_at: no idea :) Jan 19 20:26:59 root_at: if you know the right AT command, then start mickeyterm and just do it ;) Jan 19 20:27:30 PaulFertser_: how fast is gprs supposed to be on neo fr? Jan 19 20:27:54 PaulFertser_: how u mean to turn of the phone app? i havent lauchned one Jan 19 20:30:34 root_at: Then do that and enter your PIN Jan 19 20:30:48 root_at: i don't know who the SHR phone app is called. Jan 19 20:31:12 ok trying to install debian again Jan 19 20:31:59 PaulFertser_: ahh you mean the dialog which ask for the pin. but he didnt show up again after i killed gsm Jan 19 20:32:11 root_at: restart the app that showed it Jan 19 20:32:54 as much as i know, its not possible to start this app, i need to reboot Jan 19 20:33:32 PaulFertser_: but at first i have to disable the pin anyway, and then this dialog shouldnt show up Jan 19 20:33:41 root_at: not possible, you can restart any app Jan 19 20:34:14 i asked mwester how to do start this app manually, and he just told me any dbus command Jan 19 20:34:46 root_at: i'll tell you the command to disable the pin soon Jan 19 20:35:09 PaulFertser_: you are too nice : ) Jan 19 20:36:31 root_at: ok, try to start mickeyterm now Jan 19 20:37:17 PaulFertser_: done Jan 19 20:37:33 type AT, press enter Jan 19 20:37:59 PaulFertser_: done, but should this echo anything? Jan 19 20:38:08 Yes, it should answer OK. Jan 19 20:38:24 If it doesn't, quit mickeyterm and kill gsm0710muxd with -9 again. Jan 19 20:38:29 k Jan 19 20:38:34 Then don't try to start gprs, start mickeyterm again. Jan 19 20:39:44 he echoed automatically AT-Command Interpreter ready OK Jan 19 20:39:57 Great Jan 19 20:40:05 now enter AT+CPIN="yourpin" Jan 19 20:40:54 PaulFertser_: done, no echo Jan 19 20:41:14 root_at: to disable pin enter AT+CLCK="SC",0 Jan 19 20:41:50 PaulFertser_: have entered it, no echo, is this fine? Jan 19 20:42:08 root_at: hm, not sure. Try simple AT again Jan 19 20:43:12 no echo...i will kill gsm again, and if there is no at command interpreter ready OK at startup i type AT and then AT+CLCK="SC",0 otherwise just AT+CLCK="SC",0 Jan 19 20:44:16 hm..no echo at startup and also no echo after AT Jan 19 20:44:23 i will try it without ssh Jan 19 20:45:49 root_at: ssh shouldn't matter. Jan 19 20:47:24 i will put the sim into my mobilephone, then i will if it worked, if not i will try it with the mobile phone Jan 19 20:47:59 .wg 54 Jan 19 20:48:07 root_at: you should restart ophonekitd to get sim dialog etc again. Jan 19 20:48:41 so i should have killed gsm and restarted ophonekitd? Jan 19 20:49:00 root_at: gsm should be killed automatically as soon as you kill ophonekitd. Jan 19 20:49:08 root_at: But check that, it's not always the case. Jan 19 20:49:27 sim request from the other phone : / Jan 19 20:49:55 root_at: disable it anyway Jan 19 20:50:26 PaulFertser_: i think i disabled it now...must start the freerunner again Jan 19 20:52:43 cjb: I don't know which distribution I'm using -- it is whatever came on it. :-) Jan 19 21:01:50 PaulFertser_: logread -f now while gprs-on: http://nopaste.biz/62561 Jan 19 21:02:43 Is there no way to get NFS client in Openmoko? Jan 19 21:03:08 Browing around downloads.openmoko.org/repository by hand, I can only find nfsd Jan 19 21:03:15 Browsing* Jan 19 21:03:27 try opkg list Jan 19 21:03:30 root_at: AT+CPIN? times out... Too strange. Can you check if you have a network registration? Jan 19 21:03:52 for gprs? at my provider? Jan 19 21:04:12 root_at: for anything. Jan 19 21:04:18 opkg list|grep nfs is just the same Jan 19 21:04:20 root_at: for GSM calls, e.g. Jan 19 21:05:02 PaulFertser_: i can phone and i can write sms. but i am not sure about the gprs apn/username and password, also not sure if i have access to this Jan 19 21:05:08 I have all, armv4t, and om-gta02 -feed.conf files Jan 19 21:05:10 i will write an email to them Jan 19 21:06:02 root_at: i'm sure that's not the reason. AT+CPIN? times out, that's the culprit. Jan 19 21:06:03 thanks for ur help, looks like it should work Jan 19 21:06:29 not? : ( Jan 19 21:06:31 root_at: try again, is it any different the second time? Jan 19 21:08:38 did u say i have to kill ophonekitd? Jan 19 21:08:53 root_at: Not this time :) Jan 19 21:09:09 but i did -.- and it doesnt restart Jan 19 21:09:29 root_at: for some unknown reason i have never had any problems like that with GPRS. It just works for me. You can try to remove that PIN request in pppd parameters from the frameworkd sources (it's python code anyway). Jan 19 21:09:35 root_at: start it by hand then. Jan 19 21:10:23 i think i will try it tomorrow again, and i will write an email to my provider...need to write to them anyway Jan 19 21:12:45 where excactly from the frameworkd source? Jan 19 21:16:32 root_at: framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/pdp.py . But i don't see +CPIN? in options, maybe it was changed from MS4 times. Jan 19 21:17:20 s^pdp.py^modems/abstract/pdp.py^ Jan 19 21:17:38 ok thanks for everything. i will find out the username and the password and i found an how to on freeyourphone.de...maybe this helps me Jan 19 21:18:17 root_at: You're welcome. I hope we'll have more luck next time :) Jan 19 21:18:33 i hope so too : ) Jan 19 21:23:42 i am off now, cu Jan 19 21:27:42 Hm, in addition to not having a "control" key, I also don't have a "slash" key. Jan 19 21:27:49 This is going to make it pretty hard to use this terminal! Jan 19 21:29:56 * AntonTakk has decided to pick up a 16 gb usd on the way home to test in the fr Jan 19 21:30:10 assuming they have them ay this store Jan 19 21:48:40 Anton :) Jan 19 21:51:53 anyone know about qi Jan 19 21:51:59 i am trying to boot debian Jan 19 21:52:09 i get a message about dir creation failed Jan 19 21:52:12 hard to read Jan 19 21:54:49 debugfs dir creation failed Jan 19 21:54:59 ski||Z: I know about Qi Jan 19 21:55:10 so i wonder what the deal is here Jan 19 21:55:26 i installed qi as per sugestions Jan 19 21:55:36 now i get this message when i try to boot from SD Jan 19 21:55:48 a little vibe Jan 19 21:56:04 then man its sooo tiny Jan 19 21:56:10 i can read it Jan 19 21:56:16 the error code that is Jan 19 21:56:58 does it log that anywhere Jan 19 21:57:09 apt summon speedevil Jan 19 21:57:09 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing speedevil's coordinates Jan 19 21:58:28 maybe that is a kernel err Jan 19 22:00:01 do i actually have to have the boot on the same partition Jan 19 22:00:09 i made the appendGTA02 file Jan 19 22:00:13 with the root spec? Jan 19 22:00:22 PaulFertser_, ? Jan 19 22:01:16 ski||Z: A little vibe? What partition do you have you kernel on? (type, number) What partition do you have your rootfs on? Jan 19 22:03:02 boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ext2 i think Jan 19 22:03:07 i can mount them they are there Jan 19 22:04:05 i want to cut and paste but i cant Jan 19 22:04:09 i am on vnc Jan 19 22:04:12 :) Jan 19 22:04:40 i think it finds the kernel Jan 19 22:04:43 not sure though Jan 19 22:04:50 i think the debugfs is a kernel err Jan 19 22:06:03 i see someone else saying that this happens all the time Jan 19 22:06:10 must be unable to mount the root fs Jan 19 22:07:28 then i get power supply error Jan 19 22:07:35 failed to report status properly Jan 19 22:07:57 wierd Jan 19 22:08:08 PaulFertser_, ?? Jan 19 22:08:37 ski||Z: I'm here, yes. Have you modified /boot/append-GTA02 ? Jan 19 22:08:54 ski||Z: do you have a boot directory on /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? Jan 19 22:09:03 yes Jan 19 22:09:04 ski||Z: what's there? Should be only root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 in your case Jan 19 22:09:06 and yes Jan 19 22:09:18 right and loglevel=8 Jan 19 22:09:25 on the next line Jan 19 22:09:31 i guess i could remove that Jan 19 22:09:38 i wanted some messages Jan 19 22:09:55 it gives 2 messages Jan 19 22:10:00 then boots flash Jan 19 22:10:17 i think the battery might be bad Jan 19 22:10:34 nope Jan 19 22:11:04 ski||Z: you could try with "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 loglevel=8 rootdelay=1" in /boot/boot/append-GTA02 Jan 19 22:11:12 ski||Z: If you feel a vibe, it means Qi doesn't find the kernel on the first boot partition. Jan 19 22:11:31 bernt: no need in console=tty0 and rootdelay=1. Recent Qi has it by default. Jan 19 22:11:57 ski||Z: check file name etc. No vibe should be felt if you're booting kernel from the first uSD partition. Jan 19 22:12:04 ski||Z: missing uImage-GTA02.bin in /boot/boot ? Jan 19 22:12:33 ok Jan 19 22:12:40 PaulFertser_: by default? if append can add words to command line is there a way to remove them? Jan 19 22:13:14 just have uImage.bin Jan 19 22:13:22 does it have to be named just so Jan 19 22:13:36 yes or make a link Jan 19 22:13:38 ski||Z: sure it's wrong Jan 19 22:13:43 k Jan 19 22:13:52 ski||Z: uImage-GTA02.bin is the correct name Jan 19 22:14:16 lindi-: no need to, really. ;) Jan 19 22:15:14 lindi-: I think you can overwrite rootdelay with rootdelay=0 though. But console=tty0 doesn't harm anyway, no need to worry about it. Jan 19 22:15:23 lindi-: I think you can set a value thats like removing the command ... Jan 19 22:15:26 * ski||Z crosses fingers Jan 19 22:17:04 PaulFertser_: but i'm sure there are options that can't be canceled out Jan 19 22:17:17 ski||Z: and ... Jan 19 22:17:22 nope Jan 19 22:17:29 but i think the vibe is gone Jan 19 22:17:44 tryin again Jan 19 22:17:56 still there Jan 19 22:17:58 some other messages on the screen? Jan 19 22:18:00 hmm Jan 19 22:18:04 nope same Jan 19 22:18:11 lindi-: i think Qi has reasonable defaults ;) Jan 19 22:18:21 i'll have alook maybe i typo Jan 19 22:18:30 PaulFertser_: but they keep changing? ;) Jan 19 22:18:31 ... Jan 19 22:19:45 uImage-GTA02.bin is there Jan 19 22:19:55 a link to the vmliuz Jan 19 22:20:25 ski||Z: sounds somehow strange ;) vmliuz? Jan 19 22:20:40 ski||Z: double-check all the filenames, please. Jan 19 22:20:41 vmlinuz... Jan 19 22:21:01 2.6.24... Jan 19 22:21:12 stuff looks right Jan 19 22:21:13 ski||Z: is it in the /boot directory on the partition itself? Jan 19 22:21:13 to me Jan 19 22:21:25 hmmm Jan 19 22:21:34 nope Jan 19 22:21:42 should i move into a dir named boot Jan 19 22:21:44 And it should be Jan 19 22:21:46 Yes Jan 19 22:21:56 wierd that installer is totally broke Jan 19 22:22:00 :) Jan 19 22:22:05 ill try that Jan 19 22:22:46 ski||Z: When i installed Debian, the installer didn't support Qi at all. I've read the installer code myself and did the most important steps by hand. Jan 19 22:25:50 can i get the cell id where my openmoko is? Jan 19 22:26:07 kernel -panic Jan 19 22:26:40 ski||Z: But no vibe anymore? Jan 19 22:26:52 let me make sure Jan 19 22:27:35 no vibe Jan 19 22:27:41 no root fs Jan 19 22:27:52 flashing AUX Jan 19 22:28:17 ski||Z: add loglevel=8 then and investigate further Jan 19 22:28:37 some messages about nfs server Jan 19 22:29:10 no nfs server available giving up Jan 19 22:29:25 ski||Z: it's ok. Why does it panic, that's the question. Jan 19 22:29:25 nfs? Jan 19 22:29:41 its says its trying to mount the root fs via nfs? Jan 19 22:29:49 it says trying floppy Jan 19 22:29:53 then panic Jan 19 22:30:22 ski||Z: Anything about SD card? Jan 19 22:30:35 nope Jan 19 22:30:58 unable to mount root fs Jan 19 22:31:12 i have seen that when i dont have the fs type compile into kernel before Jan 19 22:31:18 ski||Z: are you running with loglevel=8? Do you have append-GTA02 in place? I mean, it should be in /boot on the same partition in the same directory as the kernel. Jan 19 22:31:37 i think so Jan 19 22:31:43 i took logelevel 8 out Jan 19 22:31:47 here ill put it back Jan 19 22:32:06 ski||Z: don't forget to have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 there as well. Jan 19 22:32:53 yep Jan 19 22:32:55 its there Jan 19 22:33:02 ill just double check everything Jan 19 22:38:11 all looks good Jan 19 22:38:16 but can't mount root fs Jan 19 22:38:48 ski||Z: do you see any mmc/sd messages now? Jan 19 22:38:57 nope Jan 19 22:38:59 none Jan 19 22:39:03 hard to read Jan 19 22:39:15 just something about trying to mount root fs via NFS Jan 19 22:39:18 str4ange Jan 19 22:39:34 no NFS server available it says Jan 19 22:39:51 why would it do that? Jan 19 22:40:01 ski||Z: btw, you can try to move your kernel from the first partition to the second, delete it on the first (Qi will try to use the second instead). Remove /boot/append-GTA02 altogether. Jan 19 22:40:19 hmmm? Jan 19 22:40:23 just copy boot over Jan 19 22:40:43 ok will do Jan 19 22:41:11 ski||Z: remove the /boot from the first partition or Qi will try to use instead. Jan 19 22:41:34 ski||Z: in fact, you shouldn't have created a separate boot partition in the first place. Jan 19 22:41:44 well the installer did that Jan 19 22:41:54 this silly script i tried to use Jan 19 22:42:02 quite unsuccessfully i might add Jan 19 22:48:25 looks better Jan 19 22:48:29 lots of messages now Jan 19 22:48:46 stopped at key code ... Jan 19 22:49:05 what now? Jan 19 22:49:16 still booting Jan 19 22:49:31 xstarting Jan 19 22:50:37 schweeeeet Jan 19 22:52:59 ty PaulFertser_ Jan 19 22:53:04 and bernt Jan 19 22:53:10 now i can go on playing Jan 19 22:53:19 crap i should edit that install script Jan 19 22:54:08 ski||Z: So, what was the problem source? Jan 19 22:54:46 ski||Z: i think you should report you semi-successful report to nomeata who's the script author. Jan 19 22:54:49 hmm Jan 19 22:54:55 misnamed kernel link Jan 19 22:54:58 no boot dir Jan 19 22:55:06 and the extra partition Jan 19 22:55:20 once i renamed and moved it Jan 19 22:55:26 it was all good Jan 19 22:55:51 ski||Z: same like me .. the result all in one partition! Jan 19 22:55:51 ski||Z: but i guess it should work even when the kernel is on the first partition and the rootfs on the second, shouldn't it? Jan 19 22:56:02 it should but did not Jan 19 22:56:17 i mean all docs i can find say it should but as far as i could tell no go Jan 19 22:56:57 I'm not shure but I think I had it working with this, but I dont like it ;-) Jan 19 22:57:03 now to get xfce going Jan 19 22:57:09 ski||Z: Could you try to download andy-tracking kernel, put it on your first partition, add an appropriate append-GTA02 (with loglevel=8 and root=/dev/mmcblk0p2) and report what you see on the screen? Jan 19 22:57:29 i could Jan 19 22:57:37 where do i get any-tracking kernel Jan 19 22:57:48 ski||Z: I think i can read all the kernel messages from the screen fairly well, i don't understand your problems with that. Jan 19 22:57:51 it seemed to try to get the root from NFS Jan 19 22:58:00 my eyes are bad Jan 19 22:58:01 http://people.openmoko.org/andy , IIRC Jan 19 22:58:02 i guess Jan 19 22:58:07 ski||Z: xfce use to much memory, therefor I use blackbox or some other wm Jan 19 22:58:13 ok Jan 19 22:58:15 i may to Jan 19 22:58:17 too Jan 19 22:58:37 i guess i never realized how bad my eyes were Jan 19 22:58:42 and i have glasses too Jan 19 22:58:49 this text is too small for me Jan 19 22:59:13 but I decided to use fbpanel ... Jan 19 22:59:16 ski||Z: Are you near-sighted? Then you can take off you glasses and put the screen nearer to the eyes ;) Jan 19 22:59:29 nope Jan 19 22:59:33 gets blurrier Jan 19 22:59:54 bernt: i'm afraid fbpanel leaks memory, haven't you noticed that? Jan 19 23:00:36 at the moment not, but I will look at it ... Jan 19 23:08:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfd201914434e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: Jan 19 23:08:49 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: channel: refactor actual reading and writing from/to the source into seperate method Jan 19 23:08:49 freesmartphone.org: (to be able to override in descendents) Jan 19 23:08:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raad11d52528c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] bypass serial abstraction while reading/writing; use faster posix read/write. Jan 19 23:59:59 16 gb micro sd card mounts ok in the freerunner :) Jan 20 00:00:20 sweet! Jan 20 00:00:23 * Dave high-fives Anton Jan 20 00:00:48 the down side is, i bought the two 8 gigs yesterday :-| hehe Jan 20 00:01:19 one per phone, now i'll have to buy a 16 g for my other phone since it works in it as well Jan 20 00:11:56 ...the card reader in my desktop doesn't do sdhc..... Jan 20 00:19:54 A Jan 20 00:20:09 oops Jan 20 00:23:26 hi, how do i extract the hackable1-ext2 partition to sd? Jan 20 00:24:13 it's not possible using file roller Jan 20 00:26:18 loop mount it? Jan 20 00:26:53 i just try file-roller as su Jan 20 00:28:46 Anton, good results with the µSD :) Jan 20 00:29:26 Dave: so far, ripping a bunch of CDs to do a large transfer to it as a test Jan 20 00:29:44 haha, nice :) Jan 20 00:29:45 er, many small transfers, anyways Jan 20 00:30:15 i ll give it a boot-test Jan 20 00:33:13 seems to work... used file-roller as su Jan 20 00:38:39 good n8 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 20 02:59:57 2009