**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 21 02:59:57 2009 Jan 21 03:03:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6d6601578266 10/ (ChangeLog framework/resource.py): Jan 21 03:03:01 freesmartphone.org: Resource: Fixed bug in checkedmethod and checkedsyncmethod decorators. Previously we only got Jan 21 03:03:01 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled when the status was unequal 'disabled'. This is wrong, since Jan 21 03:03:01 freesmartphone.org: we also can't use a resource during the state transitions, i.e. 'enabling', 'disabling', 'suspending', Jan 21 03:03:05 freesmartphone.org: and 'resuming'. This should fix some race conditions, or at least, make it more clear why you can't Jan 21 03:03:08 freesmartphone.org: access the device. Jan 21 03:21:46 latest she unstable look good? Jan 21 03:21:51 shr Jan 21 03:22:28 why were the previous images so -- big Jan 21 03:30:52 all these kernel modules dont look too good Jan 21 03:32:26 yay Jan 21 03:32:37 we have bootage Jan 21 03:39:08 2 minuits to boot Jan 21 03:53:46 * Digital_Pioneer decides to give Pidgin a shot as an IRC client. Jan 21 03:56:19 * Digital_Pioneer decides Pidgin just doesn't cut it, and switches back to Konversation. Jan 21 04:17:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5dbc91df2114 10/ (ChangeLog framework/resource.py): Jan 21 04:17:50 freesmartphone.org: resource: Added a 'checkedsignal' decorator that will enqueue a signal when the resource is not 'enabled'. Jan 21 04:17:50 freesmartphone.org: Signals will get sent after the resource has reached the 'enabled' status. Jan 21 04:17:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdc12f783c2a5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py: ogsmd: Wrap dbus signals with resource.checkedsignal decorator Jan 21 04:17:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re34650ea267c 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogspd: Wrap dbus signals with resource.checkedsignal **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 21 04:28:46 2009 Jan 21 05:23:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3182da2e8227 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix typo Jan 21 05:44:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6aec07373b4d 10/framework/resource.py: resource: fix typo Jan 21 05:49:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb681caab528f 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: fix NameError; Jan, please review! Jan 21 06:00:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3a1763ffe2ed 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: channel: remove unicode warning; it's quite normal we get unicode via dbus Jan 21 06:16:26 do 1 of the fso images(testing) have a phone app? Jan 21 06:17:19 all of them do Jan 21 06:17:52 well i just dl fso testing with no phone app i think Jan 21 06:18:04 zhone is the phone app Jan 21 06:18:12 it's there in my fso testing build, a little odd Jan 21 06:18:19 s/odd/old/ Jan 21 06:18:20 cjb meant: it's there in my fso testing build, a little old Jan 21 06:19:18 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090118-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jan 21 06:24:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2492089e161d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: Jan 21 06:24:40 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] convert signal strenghts to percentage in Jan 21 06:24:40 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving|Neighbour}CellInformation Jan 21 06:24:40 freesmartphone.org: rename cell_type_ind to ctype Jan 21 06:25:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r4bf4aadc525d 10/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog src/zhone): zhone: catch up with changes in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor Jan 21 06:28:48 2008.12 is Jan 21 06:29:07 ya dave it DOES work Jan 21 06:29:13 D Jan 21 06:32:57 now if i just had a bluetooth ui Jan 21 06:35:40 since i never read anything about gratitude towards OM ,,,, OM we do Appreciate U People,, so there a little Gratitude Jan 21 08:17:05 hi, when i try to connect with mickeyterm to the modem when a gprs connection is running it fails. is there any way to connect to the modem while using gprs? Jan 21 08:29:37 good morning Jan 21 08:48:56 mokel: i can explain that Jan 21 08:50:57 mokel: calypso doesn't support exchange on more than 4 virtual channels. If GSM resource is requested, frameworkd allocates 3 channels. Jan 21 08:51:13 mokel: If you use GPRS, the 4th is used. Jan 21 08:51:28 mmh Jan 21 08:51:31 damn Jan 21 08:51:52 can i submit at commands via fso? Jan 21 08:52:16 i need to get the cellid. but when i use the getstatus command it isnt reported Jan 21 08:52:25 mokel: i think yes. Let me see. Jan 21 08:52:50 CREG?, COPS? and CSQ Jan 21 08:52:56 these commands i need Jan 21 08:53:15 bevor CREG? i send CREG=2 to get the cell Jan 21 08:54:30 mokel: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugInjectString ? Jan 21 08:54:41 yeah, thanks Jan 21 08:54:46 mokel: take a look at freesmartphone.org . There's an api description. Jan 21 08:54:55 i know Jan 21 08:55:04 but i didnt look everywhere Jan 21 08:55:17 And some recent changes should include commands for getting cellid etc. Jan 21 08:55:55 *grr* since the upgrade (SHR unstable) on the weekend, something always up-s my FR's eth0. i don't want that. Jan 21 08:55:58 that would be nicer Jan 21 08:56:06 the settings thingie doesn't let me disable it (yet) Jan 21 08:56:14 Wonka: unbind the module Jan 21 08:56:36 PaulFertser_: what does that mean? how would i do that? Jan 21 08:56:42 PaulFertser_: do you mean "rmmod ar6000"? Jan 21 08:57:01 _sometimes_ i do want WiFi, but never automatically... Jan 21 08:57:09 Wonka: echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-sdi/driver/unbind Jan 21 08:57:24 Wonka: And to enable wifi again, use echo s3c2440-sdi > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi/bind Jan 21 08:57:34 hm. Jan 21 08:57:41 what is s3c2440-sdi? Jan 21 08:57:53 Wonka: if you have wifi as a module, you can rmmod it as well with the same result Jan 21 08:58:11 s3c2440-sdi is S3C on-chip SDIO interface. Jan 21 08:59:28 mh... Jan 21 08:59:48 that's a workaround, nor, not a "real" solution... Jan 21 09:00:41 Wonka: not a real solution to what? Jan 21 09:00:44 mmh, cannot find the api for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugInjectString Jan 21 09:01:13 mokel: i think the easiest is to grep the sources. Jan 21 09:01:28 ok Jan 21 09:01:29 mokel: but the documentation should be good also. Jan 21 09:01:48 there is no docu or i do not find it Jan 21 09:02:15 Wonka: module unloading is equivalent to driver unbinding is equivalent to what is done on suspend. That's the prefered way to save power. Jan 21 09:02:39 mokel: are you using MS4? Jan 21 09:03:14 yes Jan 21 09:03:45 fso 4.1 Jan 21 09:04:52 PaulFertser_: not a real solution to not automatically "ifconfig up eth0" Jan 21 09:05:12 mokel: does mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugCommand AT work? Jan 21 09:06:06 Wonka: there is a thread on kernel ml about preferred wlan state on boot, if you're interested. Jan 21 09:06:59 PaulFertser_: mostly, i don't mind the module being loaded - should not be powered up as long it is down anyway, IMO - but i do mind if there are routes set automatically. also, i don't want my device to send any probe requests unless i did tell it to activate wlan. Jan 21 09:07:04 PaulFertser_: LKML? Jan 21 09:07:15 PaulFertser_: or some OM kernel ml? Jan 21 09:07:33 Wonka: no, openmoko kernel mailing list. Jan 21 09:07:34 * Wonka does not have too much time for OM at the moment... Jan 21 09:07:57 Wonka: ifconfig eth0 down doesn't save power. Jan 21 09:07:59 PaulFertser_: i think it should be easily configurable, with default to maximum power saving :) Jan 21 09:08:28 PaulFertser_: at least it should stop transmitting (and thus save at least the tx power) Jan 21 09:08:57 Wonka: Werner never recommended to bring interface down to save power, IIRC. Jan 21 09:09:05 PaulFertser_: takes a long time Jan 21 09:11:04 freeze of the command Jan 21 09:11:29 mokel: it shouldn't... Look at fso debug logs. Though sometimes strange is going on my phone as well. But i didn't upgrade frameworkd for a long time. Jan 21 09:11:45 mmh, ok Jan 21 09:12:05 but there isnt a official documentation for the debug commands? Jan 21 09:13:47 mokel: why should anyone need a documentation, there's a source :p Jan 21 09:14:17 PaulFertser_: still, I think it would be sane to shut down devices as far as possible when they are not used... Jan 21 09:14:40 Wonka: i agree. Jan 21 09:18:14 mokel: i think i know what's wrong Jan 21 09:18:19 by the way: how can i figure out what i have to use with the mdbus command? sometimes i have to use org.freesmartphone.frameworkd sometimes org.freesmartphone.ogsmd ... Jan 21 09:18:24 ? Jan 21 09:18:49 mokel: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugCommand AT\\r\\n Jan 21 09:21:35 PaulFertser_: no reaction Jan 21 09:22:27 perhaps restarting zhone helps Jan 21 09:23:21 yeah Jan 21 09:23:24 now it works Jan 21 09:41:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8f3c1e138e2f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix specs for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor Jan 21 09:41:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc8e17d96bc08 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] txlev is not a signal strength, but a power level indicator Jan 21 09:53:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r909434ec501a 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: submit correct busname in ListObjectsByInterface to dbus-hlid Jan 21 10:05:30 freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07gsm0710muxd * rb8949ff6ef8f 10/src/gsm0710muxd.c: (log message trimmed) Jan 21 10:05:30 freesmartphone.org: Implement proper channel allocation and dealloction Jan 21 10:05:30 freesmartphone.org: With this patch the muxer will allocate channels in a clean way, it will Jan 21 10:05:30 freesmartphone.org: not return a pts until the modem is really ready to operate on this Jan 21 10:05:32 freesmartphone.org: channel. It will also retry the command several times until the channel is Jan 21 10:05:34 freesmartphone.org: allocated. Jan 21 10:05:36 freesmartphone.org: Channel deallocation is also greatly improved, now we send a correct code to Jan 21 10:42:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r635dcb2c8acf 10/src/zhone: serving cell + up to 6 neighbour cells = 7 cells :D Jan 21 10:53:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r253a9e1fa78c 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: set busname also for interfaces. Thanks beniwtv for spotting Jan 21 10:55:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r6967636e9595 10/setup.py: fix typo in setup.py Jan 21 11:48:08 Is there an example of Glade usage on OpenMoko GTK Python development? Is glade used or does everybody use their own build up scripts? Jan 21 11:55:59 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rcedaa8a6dd70 10/ (data/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.mo setup.py): add ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.mo and adjust setup.py Jan 21 12:36:50 hello guys Jan 21 12:37:12 on om 2008.12 i dont have terminal or wifi , is that normal ? Jan 21 12:39:08 gfather: Is the installer missing on your Image? Jan 21 12:39:19 no Jan 21 12:39:58 installer is there , but no terminal which is strange , and wifi is not in settings Jan 21 12:40:11 install the terminal Jan 21 12:40:15 i thought these are basic settings Jan 21 12:41:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb10138017b9f 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: learn how to convert doubles Jan 21 12:41:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r087b97c22ac9 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: Jan 21 12:41:19 freesmartphone.org: '-r' option now prints return values for methods Jan 21 12:41:19 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Depending on the dbus language binding, this may emit parameter names or not Jan 21 12:41:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rf894801916cc 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: learn how to convert doubles. Thanks yoyo Jan 21 12:42:20 but from what i tested the most stable functions are on om 2008.12 Jan 21 12:42:33 calls and messages and stuff all orks like charm Jan 21 12:42:42 orks = works Jan 21 13:00:02 cd /names Jan 21 13:00:05 sorry Jan 21 13:13:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2a37e3135f71 10/framework/resource.py: resource: fix error in delayed sending signals Jan 21 13:17:59 hi all Jan 21 13:18:41 i was readin the planet feed and googled and looked around but i still haven't been able to figure out: what is gridpad??? Jan 21 13:22:12 khaije1: google openmoko gridbag, it's the first hit? Jan 21 13:22:16 khaije1: google openmoko gridpad, it's the first hit? Jan 21 13:23:14 this (http://trac.om.vptt.ch/trac/log/trunk/GridPad) doesn't tell me what it _is_ though.. Jan 21 13:23:44 i think i found it's text entry method? i was hoping to find videos of how it works, do you know of any? Jan 21 13:25:25 khaije1: but it says it right there "GridPad!, a simple character recognition" Jan 21 13:25:58 khaije1: http://trac.om.vptt.ch/trac/browser/trunk/GridPad/src/GridPad.c Jan 21 13:26:29 thats fine, i had since looked aroun on the same blog to find more info... do u know of any videos though? Jan 21 13:27:02 khaije1: videos? Jan 21 13:27:17 ya of the software in use Jan 21 13:27:30 i'd just run it to see :) Jan 21 13:27:43 can someone tell me , does multiplexing work out of the box with 2008.12? Jan 21 13:27:49 oh no, it uses e17 svn head. then it's not so easy for me Jan 21 13:27:59 multiplexing? Jan 21 13:28:05 yea Jan 21 13:28:16 what is that? Jan 21 13:28:23 with QTE i cant get on the net, and use the phone Jan 21 13:28:27 its one or the other Jan 21 13:28:33 unless i get multiplexing working Jan 21 13:28:37 ah Jan 21 13:28:38 weird Jan 21 13:31:08 xteraco: i believe there is a current effort to make this possible but i dont know the latest development status Jan 21 13:31:25 i think mickeyl is working on this? Jan 21 13:31:49 i went to set it up at work once, and my distro didnt have iptables!!! Jan 21 13:31:57 havent tried to get it working since Jan 21 13:32:27 :) iirc it's a bleeding edge ability Jan 21 13:32:48 what is? Jan 21 13:32:55 gsm multiplexing Jan 21 13:33:11 for vox & data that is Jan 21 13:33:18 i'm pretty sure fso has been doing that for a while now Jan 21 13:33:29 i could be wrong thou Jan 21 13:35:28 AntonTakk: it has done it always afaik Jan 21 13:43:44 simultaneously? Jan 21 13:44:48 damn i want a freerunner :( Jan 21 13:45:12 cayres: you sure? Jan 21 13:45:21 why's that Jan 21 13:45:34 just asking Jan 21 13:45:50 I'm pretty sure unless someone here wants to convince me otherwise Jan 21 13:45:54 cayres: most people find they can't rely on it as their daily phone Jan 21 13:46:06 really? Jan 21 13:46:16 its not stable? Jan 21 13:46:23 you did read the front page of the wiki, right? Jan 21 13:46:29 not recently Jan 21 13:47:18 "Openmoko is currently selling the Neo FreeRunner phone to advanced users and will start selling it to the general public as soon as the software is more developed." - wiki front page Jan 21 13:47:26 cayres: If you are like most of us who wants something they can play with and NOT something they can use, you want to buy it Jan 21 13:48:15 cayres: certainly, if you want it for what it can/will be, buy one, if you want a daily phone, hold off Jan 21 13:48:19 well I'm definately a "play with it" kind of guy, but I would also expect basic functionality Jan 21 13:48:20 its a good daily phone for me Jan 21 13:48:27 but i'm pretty technical Jan 21 13:49:04 it takes and makes calls, every day... and soon it will tether to my laptop for net access Jan 21 13:49:11 xteraco: i am too, but i find having to reboot my phone multiuple times a day cause it has stopped working properly unacceptable Jan 21 13:49:14 its all i could want in a phone ^^ Jan 21 13:49:32 why is it so unstable Jan 21 13:49:34 weird Jan 21 13:49:38 i never had to reboot mine Jan 21 13:49:45 i keep it plugged in a lot though Jan 21 13:49:53 cayres: the software is still very young :) Jan 21 13:50:17 hmm Jan 21 13:51:12 cayres: if you have an existing phone, it can be as simple as keeping your curent phone near by, just in case Jan 21 13:51:54 I do but its not gsm Jan 21 13:51:59 cayres: you don't need to use the unstable software Jan 21 13:52:00 ah Jan 21 13:52:02 how's the wifi? Jan 21 13:53:30 cayres: much better now that it uses the normal SDIO stack Jan 21 13:53:32 not sure I want to fork out $350 atm though Jan 21 13:54:40 most irritating issues right now for me are: hardware buzz issue when gsm uses high power, trying to record audio easily causes an OOPS due to bug Jan 21 13:54:50 cayres: don't get me wrong, i bought mine and i love it and do not regret it, but it is curently a "toy with a hopefully bright future" sitting on my desk at home Jan 21 13:55:54 xteraco: what sfotware stack do you use? Jan 21 13:56:00 AntonTakk those kinds of statements worry me about the hardware becoming obsolete before it becomes fully functional software wise Jan 21 13:56:22 qte Jan 21 13:56:36 sec, i'll get the version Jan 21 13:56:58 xteraco: that explains it, qte is probably the closest software to being consumer ready atm Jan 21 13:56:59 You have a pot to set the desired level. Jan 21 13:57:01 oops Jan 21 13:58:20 qte 4.4.2 Jan 21 13:58:30 latest, then Jan 21 13:58:54 perhaps i'll try it untill fso ms5 comes out Jan 21 13:59:30 have you tried 2008.12? Jan 21 14:00:00 no, the last time i found 2008.x usable was 7/15 of last year Jan 21 14:00:20 (before it was officially released) Jan 21 14:00:55 did you guys buy in a bulk group? Jan 21 14:01:04 i did not Jan 21 14:01:41 nor did i Jan 21 14:01:44 i bought 2 Jan 21 14:01:47 :) Jan 21 14:01:53 sell me one :P Jan 21 14:02:00 xteraco: however, i find that a smart phone w/o some sort of "today" screen is just bad Jan 21 14:02:17 "today" screen? Jan 21 14:02:19 what is a today screen? Jan 21 14:02:58 like a news/weather/inbox alerts thingy? Jan 21 14:03:00 'It's march the 1st, there are 5 waiting messages, and you have an appointment at 5' Jan 21 14:03:00 xteraco: like qte's startup screen, has quick access to the main functions and maybe lists missed calles, number of new sms, etc Jan 21 14:03:21 upcoming calendar entries Jan 21 14:04:09 its getting close to tax time... perhaps I'll get one if i get a return lol Jan 21 14:06:14 i'm just hoping the gta03 has more buttons on it, imho, a call/hangup, a couple soft buttons and something resembeling a directional pad with a "enter" button in the middle Jan 21 14:06:28 as a minimum Jan 21 14:07:42 would be nice to have a button for quick access to the camera software, assuming a cam makes it in to the 03, and a hardware method for adjusting the volume Jan 21 14:11:50 camera would be nice Jan 21 14:12:05 thats a far streatch tho, considering the webcam on my eee doesent even work Jan 21 14:12:10 camera would be bad Jan 21 14:12:17 why? Jan 21 14:12:53 what typically controls the mouse? Jan 21 14:12:53 There are lots of company who doesn't allow you to bring a telephone with camera to work Jan 21 14:15:57 Socketed cameras exist. Jan 21 14:17:12 yeah, perhaps a removable camera and/or an alternate back with no camera hole Jan 21 14:18:04 -_- Jan 21 14:18:29 hey dave Jan 21 14:48:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r58fe3bf29b56 10/src/gsm0710muxd.c: bring back closing the devices, otherwise the modem stays on Jan 21 14:48:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * rb22cb80b6d6e 10/ (ChangeLog src/muxercontrol.c): send org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel, if AllocChannel fails Jan 21 14:48:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r86917f58b820 10/configure.ac: release as 0.9.3 Jan 21 14:55:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3675de401686 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: document org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel Jan 21 15:05:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07refs/tags/0.9.3 * r86917f58b820 10gsm0710muxd/configure.ac: release as 0.9.3 Jan 21 15:06:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r188cf6671aef 10/AUTHORS: add Paul to authors Jan 21 15:07:36 Freaking mickey, is on a rampage. :) Jan 21 15:08:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * raae188c6b03d 10/ChangeLog: spelling++ Jan 21 15:11:59 brian ¬_¬ Jan 21 15:12:18 Dave: Long time no chat. How's it up in the NE? Jan 21 15:12:48 frigid Jan 21 15:20:27 Tasn! Jan 21 15:20:42 Dave, ! Jan 21 15:20:50 talk fast cause I'm not really here for long ;] Jan 21 15:21:32 :P Jan 21 15:21:36 Okay, just hi then :) Jan 21 15:22:31 hehe hi ;] Jan 21 15:22:45 yo Jan 21 15:30:34 looks like fso m5 is near Jan 21 15:39:46 How usable is an OpenMoko FreeRunner? I just bought one, hoping that I could use it as my regular phone, but I'm ready to fix things a bit if required. Jan 21 15:40:06 * mwester-laptop feels sorry for kstar Jan 21 15:40:29 "a bit" is an understatement Jan 21 15:40:35 Aww, is it worse than being on a trunk version of your Desktop Environment? Jan 21 15:40:40 Far worse Jan 21 15:40:57 Hmm, interesting Jan 21 15:41:04 * Weiss has been using it as his regular phone for a while now, with not very much tweaking Jan 21 15:41:07 hi kstar Jan 21 15:41:08 Sup3rkiddo already warned me, but anyway, I'd like to play around Jan 21 15:41:11 Yep, it's a lot of fun if you have your expectations set correctly. Jan 21 15:41:14 fale: Heya Jan 21 15:41:21 ...but i think i got lucky regarding volume, echo, noise and BRC Jan 21 15:41:22 But it is *NOT* a reliable day-to-day phone. Jan 21 15:41:23 fale: You too an openmoko guy? Jan 21 15:41:39 kstar: yep, I have an openmoko Jan 21 15:41:44 fale: Great Jan 21 15:41:53 Weiss: Jan 21 15:41:55 Hmm Jan 21 15:42:15 mwester-laptop: I have a couple questions about the dev elopment of qtextended, but lpotter is away Jan 21 15:43:09 mwester-laptop: I'm using the freerunner as day-to-day phone ;) Jan 21 15:43:25 Nice Jan 21 15:43:31 That's the assurance I required. Thanks. Jan 21 15:43:49 kstar: but I'm using qtextended, not FSO Jan 21 15:44:29 fale: I'm new to these terms. Hold on while I google :-) Jan 21 15:44:45 kstar: rgr ;) Jan 21 15:46:18 based on my own and at least one other person's experience, i really think a lot of the unreliability issues (missed calls, silent calls, suspend/resume and so on) are to do with the bouncing GSM modem problem Jan 21 15:46:51 #1024? Jan 21 15:46:54 exactly Jan 21 15:46:59 We hateses it. Jan 21 15:47:13 Weiss: I have not real problem such that Jan 21 15:47:43 and if you additionally get lucky and find your combination of provider+software doesn't give you any of the audio problems, then you're away... Jan 21 15:48:12 Weiss: maybe is an fso problem? or is a kernel problem? Jan 21 15:48:18 Right, but that is very few in my experience. Jan 21 15:48:38 fale: i had major problems, and a very bouncy Calypso, but after getting the hardware replaced because of an unrelated problem, i no longer have any problems at all. and nothing significant seems to have changed in the softare during the gap Jan 21 15:49:17 mazzelpik :P Jan 21 15:49:27 another person found that all their problems (matching my symptoms) went away when they applied the Calypso deep sleep prevention thing Jan 21 15:49:36 Weiss: then, probably, was an hw problem Jan 21 15:49:58 of course Jan 21 15:50:23 someone have tryed android? Jan 21 15:51:36 Speaking of android, there's a fresh channel at #freerunner-android Jan 21 15:52:22 thx bricode Jan 21 15:52:33 * kstar is waiting to lay his hands on the FR Jan 21 15:53:02 Is there anything really drastic, that is broken? Jan 21 15:53:11 yep. Jan 21 15:53:24 software workarounds for most, but not all Jan 21 15:53:27 Is there a list of that somewhere, so that I know what's wrong? Jan 21 15:53:32 search the wiki Jan 21 15:53:34 :) Jan 21 15:53:37 Thanks Jan 21 15:53:53 I have to run off to work, otherwise I'd find the link -sorry! Jan 21 15:54:13 i would say that, if you're lucky with GSM stuff, then one of the biggest things is that wifi is completely, totally and utterly broken... Jan 21 15:54:37 Weiss: it seems to work in andy-tracking Jan 21 15:54:54 Ah, but werner is close to fixing all the wifi issues. The biggest problem I see is that we still have no user-implementable fix for the GSM buzz. Jan 21 15:55:26 Everything else *I* can live with, but that's a killer. (Of course, others may have different needs and may find some of the other issue to be "unlivable". Jan 21 15:55:36 (now I *really* must go! :D ) Jan 21 15:56:29 mwester-laptop: there, use bluetooth headset :) Jan 21 15:56:31 +is Jan 21 15:56:48 or usb-headset Jan 21 16:06:36 only audio problem i have is speakerphone echo Jan 21 16:06:38 lindi-: So a USB headset fixes the buzz issue? Jan 21 16:07:35 kstar: sure Jan 21 16:07:50 kstar: since the issue is an issue with the mic bias voltage Jan 21 16:18:24 lindi-: Oh, okay Jan 21 16:18:59 lindi-: You mean that the swing limits are too low or something? Jan 21 16:24:39 kstar: gsm interference just seems to get where it is not supposed to get to Jan 21 16:28:19 lindi, that sneaky bastard Jan 21 16:29:42 lindi-: Okay Jan 21 16:30:58 Anyway, I'll try it out myself and see how painful it is :-) Jan 21 16:36:55 anybody been fooling around with Android yet? Jan 21 16:37:56 stongo: we prefer to not get any diseases Jan 21 16:38:46 stongo: You can join #freerunner-android. Also see http://git.koolu.org Jan 21 16:38:49 haha that's the great thing, to stds from machines Jan 21 16:39:16 ok thanks bricode Jan 21 16:39:43 * fale can switch soon to android Jan 21 16:40:24 android is not interesting platform to use IMO Jan 21 16:40:33 Tm_T: why? Jan 21 16:40:34 slaxxin: for speakerphone to work without echo you most probably need to adjust AT%Nxxxx parameters Jan 21 16:40:58 fale: can I easily use already existing applications? Jan 21 16:41:14 Tm_T: I dunno Jan 21 16:41:25 fale: IIRC its too tied to Java, I don't like Java, not to write it nor use it Jan 21 16:41:27 Tm_T: Yes, depending on the applications you are looking at using. Jan 21 16:41:59 bricode: aye, for some people sure it's good Jan 21 16:42:14 slaxxin: also I'd guess FSO doesn't care yet to issue different AT%N commands when switching between speakerphone and handset (mickey, correct?) Jan 21 16:44:13 Joerg :D Jan 21 16:44:31 hi dave Jan 21 16:45:14 Hallo :) Jan 21 16:48:39 kstar: depending on your gsm-provider you might never encounter buzz issue (your callee to be exact). Also note there's a "not useraplicable fix" (following mwester's wording) for buzz, and newest generation of devices has this fix implemented already Jan 21 16:49:19 DocScrutinizer2: Nice work on the fix btw. Jan 21 16:49:29 thanx Jan 21 16:49:31 DocScrutinizer2: Okay. I'm guessing that I'll be getting Old stock, anyway. But I did read about the fix. Jan 21 16:50:40 hooray for hardware Jan 21 17:01:14 * Shlee hopes a solution to the buzz is found.. I have no problem supporting the OS community but id love a working phone too Jan 21 17:09:54 hehe Jan 21 17:37:22 wow, millions of people Jan 21 17:37:42 where? Jan 21 17:37:46 here Jan 21 17:37:53 really? Jan 21 17:37:55 i was expecting a couple Jan 21 17:38:04 Why can I see only 353 of them? Jan 21 17:38:08 haha Jan 21 17:38:43 354 here Jan 21 17:39:26 Defiant-: your client pragma origin 0? Jan 21 17:39:55 DocScrutinizer2: I usually don't count myself Jan 21 17:40:01 In the future, I would like to buy a new smart phone, either something what can run googles andromeda or openmoko running linux Jan 21 17:40:19 yup, another way to say it ;) Jan 21 17:40:37 Is openmoko reading for the public yet? Jan 21 17:40:45 *ready Jan 21 17:40:47 dustybin: andromeda? Jan 21 17:40:56 err, neo running openmoko Jan 21 17:40:57 thats something to do with google Jan 21 17:41:03 yep neo Jan 21 17:41:24 android? Jan 21 17:42:07 dustybin: You want something to use or something to play with? Jan 21 17:42:28 you can run android on neo fr Jan 21 17:42:54 Defiant-: use Jan 21 17:43:03 anyone know any easy way to intstall debian on openmoko? Jan 21 17:43:03 DocScrutinizer2: aye ok Jan 21 17:43:34 frankS2: You did notice the wiki page and install.sh script? Jan 21 17:43:39 yes Jan 21 17:43:44 i was thinking about a jffs2 img Jan 21 17:43:56 frankS2: not easy enough? Jan 21 17:43:59 nah Jan 21 17:44:00 will there be any new hardware changes to the neo? Jan 21 17:44:12 Defiant-, not easy enoguh :( Jan 21 17:45:16 * Dave googles DocScrutinizer Jan 21 17:45:40 what is Qtopia? Jan 21 17:45:55 dustybin: you might want to start reading the wiki Jan 21 17:46:01 ok :D Jan 21 17:46:05 dustybin: which changes would you like to see? Jan 21 17:46:18 dustybin: It gives you a good hint about the distributions and hardware Jan 21 17:46:44 dustybin: Also, personally I wouldn't recomment the openmoko hardware for "just using" yet. Jan 21 17:47:14 Defiant-: ?? Jan 21 17:47:56 hmm? Jan 21 17:48:06 can the freerunner be emulated under qemu? Jan 21 17:48:45 i fiddled around with my alsamixer and now i can't get it to work for normal phone calls.. i looked at the wikipage and checked the mixer settings and find that whenever i start the caller, it seems to *disable* the proper channels.. Jan 21 17:49:06