**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 27 05:11:47 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 27 05:27:26 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 27 05:37:20 2009 Jan 27 06:41:27 hm, fatal error 100: cannot read from file: "edje" while building e Jan 27 06:49:09 Nobody is working at openmoko.com here? Jan 27 07:02:24 DocScrutinizer: but you are recording from gsm? Jan 27 07:05:05 DocScrutinizer: arecord |hd only shows constant stream of 0x80 Jan 27 07:37:53 morning Jan 27 08:17:32 hi there i can scan for my wifi -> but how do i get the keyboard to stay up Jan 27 08:17:36 so i can enter the password... Jan 27 08:18:52 hi Jan 27 08:18:52 is this possible ? Jan 27 08:20:05 asdfz: what keyboard? Jan 27 08:20:25 well on the andriod image i think you can get the keyboard up / i can via the menu Jan 27 08:20:29 but it doesn't stya Jan 27 08:20:31 stay* Jan 27 08:23:21 asdfz: no experience on that Jan 27 08:23:33 k Jan 27 08:23:45 asdfz: i'd check the source Jan 27 08:24:04 rofl..^^ Jan 27 08:24:16 asdfz: huh? that's a perfectly normal thing to do Jan 27 08:24:38 mmm yeah maybe Jan 27 08:30:22 openmoko: 03werner * r4907 10/developers/werner/bin/snmp: Utility to track changes to /proc/net/snmp Jan 27 08:37:50 good morning Jan 27 08:38:14 What do you mean? Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not Jan 27 08:38:55 argh. Jan 27 08:39:08 alias contains ";", /say ends there Jan 27 08:40:30 Wonka: it's a good morning whether you want it or not :-p Jan 27 08:41:25 *g* Jan 27 11:37:15 About when will GTA04 become available? Jan 27 11:37:36 Is it planned for 2009? Jan 27 11:38:26 04? Jan 27 11:39:03 I think first comes 03 Jan 27 11:39:56 and will 13 available? Jan 27 11:41:07 Yes, 03 will probably come first, but I'm still asking for the 04, or at least a GTA* with 3G support. Jan 27 11:41:27 wd: probably not. I think it's going to be skipped. Jan 27 11:42:16 johey: there's no dates even for 03 so it's quite impossible to speculate on such a thing. Jan 27 11:42:41 Okay, Kred. Thanks! Jan 27 11:43:03 johey: I recommend you to search the community for details about 3G. Jan 27 11:43:14 Then I'd probably go for a 02, since it may take a while for the 04. Jan 27 11:43:31 Will do. Jan 27 11:43:49 If possible I'd wait for 03 :) Jan 27 11:44:35 Depends on how much money is left after paying my bills. :) Jan 27 11:49:52 How often do you charge the battery of your Freerunner? This question goes to all users. I just want an average. :) Jan 27 11:51:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r027fd5d65d98 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: Jan 27 11:51:12 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: support setting environment variables for the Command action (closes: #242) Jan 27 11:51:12 freesmartphone.org: Thanks to Peter Strapp for the idea and a patch. Jan 27 11:51:13 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * reb4b6b398307 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: add some more debug messages Jan 27 11:52:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r70a3c2b1128e 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: Jan 27 11:52:31 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Check in all resource functions if a channel is None and warn Jan 27 11:52:31 freesmartphone.org: Under certain circumstances, i.e. with testdevices we don't have a Jan 27 11:52:31 freesmartphone.org: channel. Also remove stray shutdownChannel from commit Jan 27 11:52:33 freesmartphone.org: 0be860bbc94f497a877555fbb4c9c95107634ef3 Jan 27 13:42:28 i try to mount a squashfs-image on my microSDHC using SHR, the file is 1.8 GB big. it more or less works but some files are not there. when i do a "ls /mnt/", i get some "file or directory not found" errors. Jan 27 13:42:56 mounting the same file from the same sd card works on my desktop machine. Jan 27 13:43:10 is this the right place to ask? Jan 27 13:54:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re873af6cb4e4 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): otime: document org.freesmartphone.Time.Alarm Jan 27 14:01:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra1317f7256f4 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otime: add html and xml files Jan 27 14:21:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r833a43d963aa 10/otime/org.freesmartphone.Time.Alarm.xml.in: otime: clarify that we're limited to dbus system services Jan 27 14:22:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r283d50f0770b 10/html/org.freesmartphone.Time.Alarm.html: otime: regen html docs Jan 27 15:11:10 I am trying to install Qi bootloader using dfu-util, everything *looks* ok, but at the end nothing is changed and I still have u-boot, anyone? Jan 27 15:23:44 F|nger: you'll always have u-boot in NOR unless you do something involving a debug board. are you sure you're booting to NAND when you test? Jan 27 15:25:08 Weiss: How do I boot to nand then ? Jan 27 15:25:15 it's confusing me Jan 27 15:25:35 just press Power once (you don't even have to hold it) from the completely off status. don't press any other buttons.. Jan 27 15:25:53 ah lemme try that Jan 27 15:26:03 a second or so later the vibrator will buzz quickly (i found slightly stronger than it did with u-boot) and it'll get going Jan 27 15:29:13 Weiss: ok thanx ;-) It's booting ;) Jan 27 15:29:53 :D Jan 27 15:49:57 mwester-laptop: Do I need to change my fso feed from testing in order to get the fix for the zhone dependency issue? with the default feeds, it's not pulling it in. Jan 27 15:59:14 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r0583d9be9119 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: reenable workaround for the kernel that will be release with MS5 Jan 27 16:13:50 mickey mickey mickey, didn't we teach you to behave, didn't we? Jan 27 16:13:54 * Tm_T hides Jan 27 16:14:01 huh, what's up? Jan 27 16:14:15 nothing, just your nick reminded me about one old joke Jan 27 16:14:29 how are you sir? Jan 27 16:14:39 fine, thanks. you? Jan 27 16:14:44 excited? have party feeling? Jan 27 16:14:47 heh Jan 27 16:14:50 party... Jan 27 16:14:54 a full workday in front of me Jan 27 16:15:02 tired a bit, baby is bit keeping up but... Jan 27 16:15:11 mickeyl: oh but it's party day too Jan 27 16:15:36 KDE 4.2 getting released (;) Jan 27 16:15:50 * Tm_T cant wait all bashing reports to fill the blogosphere Jan 27 16:17:28 mickeyl: btw, have openmoko any list of jobs for summer of code projects or similar? Jan 27 16:18:14 good question Jan 27 16:18:21 i don't know whether we will run for that this year Jan 27 16:18:43 me and my team have zero resources this year to admin that Jan 27 16:18:53 so it's either someone else or nada Jan 27 16:19:12 i should send that to the list though Jan 27 16:19:15 so thanks for reminding Jan 27 16:19:23 I think GNU would be happy to help with that Jan 27 16:19:28 mickeyl: well, we do have local summer of code, and if there's ideas for projects, all we need is someone to be "supervisor" for code results and so on Jan 27 16:19:55 i have been toying with the idea to run as FSO team for gsoc Jan 27 16:20:05 ye Jan 27 16:25:37 mickeyl: anyway, I'm more than happy to provide students and partly local mentoring if you can provide projects and code supervision Jan 27 16:26:35 sounds not too bad, let me discuss this with the team Jan 27 16:29:44 mickeyl: as, I know about working and our local processes but (your) codebase is unknown Jan 27 16:30:46 does anyone know where to get a bb recipe for python-crypto? Jan 27 16:31:30 morgner: you mean another one than the one in OE? Jan 27 16:33:07 mickeyl: not, this would be sufficient. but can't find one here: git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded Jan 27 16:35:09 http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/python/python-pycrypto_2.0.1.bb is not what you're looking for? Jan 27 16:44:25 mickeyl: this seems to be the right one. i was looking for something named python-crypto Jan 27 16:44:28 thx Jan 27 17:21:07 I installed diversity-wifi, and decided it wasn't useful, so I removed it. as a result, iwlist eth0 scan returns "Failed to read scan data: resource temporarily unavailable". reinstalling diversity-wifi makes eth0 usable again Jan 27 17:21:52 is it messing with network files in /etc? that seems suboptimal. Jan 27 17:22:23 after all, uninstalling a package doesn't make the hardware go away Jan 27 17:22:45 SM2k: i don't think packages are allowed to modify files in /etc without asking user Jan 27 17:24:14 lindi-: I wouldn't know for sure. I did reboot at one point and that didn't fix it, so whatever's gone wonky is probably somehow config related (vs unlaoding a driver or something) Jan 27 17:29:18 Am I doing something wrong or has the fix for the zhone python dependency issue not yet hit the FSO feed? Jan 27 17:29:37 We talked about this last week, but opkg install zhone with either the testing or unstable feed still gives me the libpython2.5 error. Jan 27 17:31:45 was reading a discussion on http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1095866|a1095866 ... they make it sound like the firmware for the wifi card will never be updatable on the freerunner. is that true? Jan 27 17:32:05 probably Jan 27 17:32:12 lots of hardware has ROM firmware Jan 27 17:32:59 so far I came to the conclusion that all audio players I have tried on the FR suck in one way or the other. Does anyone know of a player that is actually usable? Jan 27 17:33:22 I've been using gmpc + mpd Jan 27 17:33:36 other than the volume control which is too hard to use with the stylus, it's been good for me Jan 27 17:34:00 moritz: you could try mokoko Jan 27 17:34:07 it works, but has almost no features Jan 27 17:34:15 (no random, no volume control...) Jan 27 17:34:26 just play pause, next and previous and scrolling through the playlist Jan 27 17:34:42 also nog "add file" button or whatever, you just set your patch in the config file Jan 27 17:34:48 I would be happy with something that turns my FR into a minimalistic mp3 player. :-) Jan 27 17:35:12 zorkman: sounds good. :-) Jan 27 17:35:43 moritz: http://code.google.com/p/om-mediaplayer/wiki/Mokoko Jan 27 17:39:48 .oO( neoPod anyone? ) Jan 27 17:40:06 ? Jan 27 17:40:59 hypothetical name for some mp3 player sw for the neo Jan 27 17:41:08 Amarok Mobile Companion ;) Jan 27 17:42:01 I don't understand that a good player hasn't been made by now... seems like there would be a ton of apps to port and even more people to want one :) Jan 27 17:42:44 No one software stack. Jan 27 17:42:58 No clear notice of what is not being worked on by OM. Jan 27 17:43:37 I would guess that an audio player isn't tightly boundled with a specific software stack. Jan 27 17:43:47 s/with/to/ Jan 27 17:43:47 moritz meant: I would guess that an audio player isn't tightly boundled to a specific software stack. Jan 27 17:43:49 morgner: that, and mp3 can't be included for legal reasons Jan 27 17:44:10 well, that's a detail. Jan 27 17:44:28 mp3 issue is irrelevant Jan 27 17:44:39 we all do use only ogg vorbis anyway Jan 27 17:45:07 Given a sane audio player that makes use of the appropriate APIs adding mp3 support could be archived by installing just some additional codecs. Jan 27 17:45:10 (as far as i know) Jan 27 17:45:30 Yup Jan 27 17:46:17 I've got another question... Jan 27 17:46:32 The problem is that you really want to integrate a music player with whatever music playback system's being used, so either you develop a plugin-based system (read: use phonon), or you end up potentially having to change the core of your player at some point Jan 27 17:46:45 s/music/media/ Jan 27 17:46:46 leinir meant: The problem is that you really want to integrate a media player with whatever music playback system's being used, so either you develop a plugin-based system (read: use phonon), or you end up potentially having to change the core of your player at some po... Jan 27 17:46:51 I'm not familiar with USB. My question is: would it be possible to make my FR act just like an usb mass storage device (usb stick)? Jan 27 17:47:16 So that I could plug it into my computer and it gets mounted and I can simply transfer files with cp? Jan 27 17:47:27 Yup, there's a mode-switch somewhere for it... Jan 27 17:47:42 Wow. Jan 27 17:47:47 If you use one of the OM stacks, there's an opk somewhere that does it :) Jan 27 17:48:30 SpeedEvil: legal reasons? Jan 27 17:49:12 morgner: Idiotic software patent stupidity Jan 27 17:49:53 leinir: got a link? Jan 27 17:50:21 morgner, http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/MP3-patent-problem-at-Openmoko--/111973 Jan 27 17:52:39 strange: a crypto-tool, that depends on a mp3-lib... Jan 27 17:53:10 ?! Jan 27 17:53:37 python-pycrypto depends on the package libgmp3 Jan 27 17:54:35 thats not mp3 Jan 27 17:54:37 hehe, sorry my fault. Jan 27 17:54:44 i just saw that myself Jan 27 17:54:46 i guess that's the GNU bignum library Jan 27 17:54:51 yup Jan 27 18:04:31 hello there.. i've got a question Jan 27 18:04:42 i had some strange problems.. Jan 27 18:05:49 with every distro for my sd-card, it's the same problem.. every said, i had just a read-only-system.. Jan 27 18:06:11 shr work's no, but om didn't work's Jan 27 18:06:35 i formated the first partition with vfat (the kernel loaded successfull) Jan 27 18:06:42 and the second with ext3 Jan 27 18:07:09 but i don't think, that ext3 is a read-only-system? Jan 27 18:07:14 :p Jan 27 18:08:09 weird Jan 27 18:09:40 skamster: try something like "mount / -o rw,remount". Also check your kernel boot parameters (e.g. in u-boot) to see if it's passing "ro" (which means to mount the root filesystem read-only). Jan 27 18:11:53 ehm.. could you give me a link in wiki with a description? Jan 27 18:12:08 i search shortly, but didn't found it.. Jan 27 18:12:23 and i didn't hack something in u-boot around Jan 27 18:12:56 but i buy from another moko-user, so everything is possible ;) Jan 27 18:15:10 Maybe start with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Environment (specifically look at the "bootargs" environment variable) Jan 27 18:16:03 setenv menu_9 Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts}\; mmcinit\; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 Jan 27 18:16:08 is it this line? Jan 27 18:16:10 :$ Jan 27 18:17:50 Yes. The 'setenv bootargs ... \;' part is what specifies the parameters passed to the kernel. Jan 27 18:19:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r53afc4c1428e 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): binding at least compiles now Jan 27 18:19:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r5ee7d6fafe10 10/src/multiplexer.vala: more Jan 27 18:19:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r309b846dcd6a 10/src/ (main.vala multiplexer.vala): Jan 27 18:19:35 freesmartphone.org: compiles and runs Jan 27 18:19:37 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: don't name a vala-function 'read', this will lead to funny SIGSEGV Jan 27 18:19:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * rc42fab6914e7 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add posixextra vapi and start wrapping read and write Jan 27 18:19:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * rfff66a00055d 10/ (Makefile.am gsm0710/gsm0710.vapi src/multiplexer.vala): complete read/write cycle to/from 0710 core<-->device, turn int results to bool in 0710 core mapping Jan 27 18:21:30 ahoi Jan 27 18:25:09 yeah.. i've installed the bootloader new, now it seem's to work.. :D Jan 27 18:49:08 has anyone had bad luck charging from other AC to USB chargers (other then the one that came with)? Jan 27 18:54:45 <_charly_> mrgarlic: bad luck? you mean with auto-recognizing for fast-charge? Jan 27 19:06:05 ehm, did someone know, where the links for the moko-menü are saved? Jan 27 19:06:58 menue? :) Jan 27 19:07:01 in shr Jan 27 19:07:10 illume icons ? Jan 27 19:07:12 yes.. sry, bad english, tired head Jan 27 19:07:18 exactly Jan 27 19:07:22 another german speaking :) Jan 27 19:07:23 :) Jan 27 19:07:31 <_charly_> /usr/share/applications/ Jan 27 19:07:32 you too? Jan 27 19:07:33 :d Jan 27 19:07:43 thx Jan 27 19:08:04 skamster: yep, .de not .ch though ;) Jan 27 19:09:29 Hello everybody, is OE the only way to compile the Xglamo server? Jan 27 19:10:14 :D Jan 27 19:10:34 the normaly german is also easyier than english for me Jan 27 19:11:32 skamster: ah you're not from the german part? Jan 27 19:11:43 doch.. Jan 27 19:12:06 normales deutsch ist für mich einfacher als normales englisch Jan 27 19:12:09 ;) Jan 27 19:12:14 das wollt ich sagen Jan 27 19:12:21 auch wenn ich aus der ch bin Jan 27 19:12:38 ah ok :) Jan 27 19:12:50 there is a german OM community btw: #neo1973-germany Jan 27 19:13:01 :D Jan 27 19:13:07 i like to learn english Jan 27 19:13:10 ;) Jan 27 19:13:45 i'm not telling you to leave here and join there ;) Jan 27 19:14:41 :D Jan 27 19:15:28 but.. ehm.. with the icon in the illume-menue.. it doesn't work.. there is a tangogps.desktop-file, but i didn't see it on the moko Jan 27 19:16:20 some ideas? Jan 27 19:16:47 it's strange, for me.. i just wanted to update tgps from 0.9.3 to 0.9.5 Jan 27 19:17:18 and then, i make a downgrade, cause it need depences i didn't have Jan 27 19:18:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfc11a940555d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/__init__.py: opimd: do not mess with system bus registration, the controller is doing that for you Jan 27 19:19:12 <_charly_> skamster: try to change the Categories line in the desktop file Jan 27 19:19:52 <_charly_> i read on the list that the correct category is Applications, not Application Jan 27 19:20:24 <_charly_> don't know if that works for you, but it's easy to try it :) Jan 27 19:21:00 yeah, it work's Jan 27 19:21:01 :d Jan 27 19:21:05 <_charly_> great :) Jan 27 19:21:06 charly_: by bad luck i mean its not working! Jan 27 19:21:12 your my 5-minute-hero :D Jan 27 19:21:38 <_charly_> hehe :) Jan 27 19:24:00 <_charly_> hm, i have 9 .desktop files on my freerunner, only one of them has category Applications Jan 27 19:24:37 _charly_, but have other categories which also makes the app to be displayed :P Jan 27 19:24:48 <_charly_> well, 9 files with Application Jan 27 19:26:01 <_charly_> yes, i'm just wondering. if there has to be a "s" at the end there shouldn't be that much wrong .desktop files Jan 27 19:29:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r05bbd7f9cdc6 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/alarm.py: Jan 27 19:29:48 freesmartphone.org: otimed: alarm trigger is now calling org.freesmartphone.Notification.Alarm() Jan 27 19:29:48 freesmartphone.org: on the root object Jan 27 19:42:29 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r7d53a210fa25 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] don't convert RXLEV to percentages (closes: #323) Jan 27 20:07:28 anyone know how to get mkfs.vfat in SHR Jan 27 20:10:25 * johnsu01 needs a newer frameworkd on SHR.. Jan 27 20:31:43 Ainulindale: if you give me magic trac powers I can close some obviously obsolete trac tickets such as http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/167 Jan 27 20:32:08 BTW, is the correct way to request a version bump (of tangogps in that case) as a trac ticket? Jan 27 20:32:28 hi is it possible to connect the neo via ssh to a pc via bluetooth? Jan 27 20:38:18 sylar91: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Bluetooth_networking_with_a_Linux_system Jan 27 20:38:21 ? Jan 27 20:39:00 spaetz: in this way the ssh is running via bluetooth? Jan 27 20:39:40 wow thanks Jan 27 20:40:09 you might have to modify the dropbear config to listen on the bluetooth network interface Jan 27 20:40:16 never done it myself. Jan 27 20:40:32 spaetz: thanks a lot! now i'm trying... Jan 27 20:42:24 spaetz: Yes I can give you this kind of power Jan 27 20:42:30 And yes, ticket is correct Jan 27 20:50:22 ok, will file a ticket for the new tangogps version than, thanks. my trac username is "spaetz" Jan 27 21:16:42 hi everyone Jan 27 21:17:07 I'm looking for advice on how to register a sim on the freerunner Jan 27 21:17:19 I have a german vodafone sim card Jan 27 21:17:42 at the moment when I try to make a call it says that the sim is not present Jan 27 21:17:58 any ideas on what tools to run? Jan 27 21:20:22 doopa, i use a prepaid card from t-mobile d. registered at once in the network because of disabled pin... Jan 27 21:21:26 you think the pin might be the problem Jan 27 21:21:35 I'd really hate to have to get a new number. Jan 27 21:21:42 never tried with enabled pin Jan 27 21:21:48 How much was the new sim? Jan 27 21:22:20 doopa: you think it's a 3G sim? Jan 27 21:22:20 I'm pretty sure the pin is enabled though I have used the same sim on different phones without problems Jan 27 21:22:21 its an older sim i had still on a shelf Jan 27 21:22:27 ah Jan 27 21:22:37 soul: it could be 3G Jan 27 21:22:54 the chip on the 3G sims are much smaller Jan 27 21:23:06 so you could see the differenrence imo Jan 27 21:23:17 (at least that's what they write on the wiki) Jan 27 21:23:42 oh, and _check the wiki ;-D_ Jan 27 21:24:17 soul9 I will check again Jan 27 21:25:19 if it is, you just go and tell them you want a non-3G sim, i don't think you need to loose your number Jan 27 21:27:44 has everyone elses sim cards just worked Jan 27 21:27:46 ? Jan 27 21:28:06 this is the only part of the freerunner I can't get working and its rather embarrassing Jan 27 21:29:22 All sim cards that I have tried have worked perfectly Jan 27 21:29:35 :( Jan 27 21:30:09 where do you live? Jan 27 21:30:49 Heidelberg, DE Jan 27 21:31:03 okay Jan 27 21:31:10 But I have a UK and Ireland sim I tried there as well Jan 27 21:31:15 though it was 3G Jan 27 21:31:22 I wasn't expecting it to work Jan 27 21:31:34 doopa: What provider did you tried? Asking so I can avoid this one :) Jan 27 21:31:44 I thought my german one was 2G as it was the cheapest one I could fine Jan 27 21:31:45 d Jan 27 21:32:10 defiant - its vodafone. Though to be honest I think most german telcos are crap Jan 27 21:34:04 doopa: might be. I'm living without a mobile phone for a few years now Jan 27 21:34:15 (not counting the gta02) Jan 27 21:35:13 defiant - while the freerunner is mobile I don't know if its right to call it a phone yet ;) Jan 27 21:41:39 looking at the wiki - can't tell the diff between working and non-working Jan 27 21:41:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards Jan 27 21:41:55 Anyone care to point out what I may be missing Jan 27 21:42:14 * doopa must remember to take photo of sim. Jan 27 21:42:32 second row? Jan 27 21:43:02 sorry col Jan 27 21:43:35 yeah - I think I'll update the wiki with photos for this one. Jan 27 21:43:54 I read about flashing the firmware - anyone know what the deal is with that? Jan 27 21:47:07 doopa: flashing GSM firmware? Jan 27 21:48:02 paul: Yeah Jan 27 21:48:44 doopa: the deal with that is that if you have a 2G-capable 3G SIM card, it will work after you flash GSM modem with the moko10 version. Jan 27 21:49:08 doopa: if you don't flash, it won't work. Jan 27 21:49:49 paul: The page about that looks pretty scary atm Jan 27 21:50:05 doopa: please cite the scariest part Jan 27 21:51:34 there are chances to _completely_ brick your GSM modem Jan 27 21:51:50 'nings Dave Jan 27 21:52:01 doopa: there're chances to completely destroy your FR if you drop it from a skyscraper. Jan 27 21:52:11 paul: I just want to know if it will be improved soon. Jan 27 21:52:42 paul: I understand. I wanted to gauge how serious this warning was. Like to know how many other people have done the same and it worked Jan 27 21:53:46 doopa: If you weren't too scared to read, you'll see that "there are chances to _completely_ brick your GSM modem on messing around with FLUID". It's amazingly easy to avoid -- DON'T mess with FLUID. That's all. Jan 27 21:55:16 doopa: the firmware is there. And is working for many people. All the necessary utilities are available. The procedure was tested by various users. Calypso _has_ ROM bootloader. Jan 27 21:55:40 paul: So in the section Launch the Fluid binary is that all one line? Jan 27 21:56:49 doopa: that's 3 lines. In bash scripting you can type \ at the end of the line and it means that the following line is appended to the first (\ vanishes). Jan 27 21:57:02 s/bash/shell/ Jan 27 21:57:02 PaulFertser_ meant: doopa: that's 3 lines. In shell scripting you can type \ at the end of the line and it means that the following line is appended to the first (\ vanishes). Jan 27 21:58:03 but I could type it in one line Jan 27 21:58:15 doopa: sure, without \ Jan 27 21:58:42 yeah Jan 27 22:00:15 paul: and I can do this all over ssh? Jan 27 22:00:49 doopa: i think that's the easiest way. Jan 27 22:00:57 doopa: and the only recommended Jan 27 22:02:07 paul: thanks Jan 27 22:02:52 doopa: you're welcome. Good luck with update, read the wiki carefully and follow the instructions. If something goes wrong, there's always a possibility to recover, just come here and ask. Jan 27 22:03:26 paul: I'll let you know. Think I'll grab a smoke and a cuppa first. Jan 27 22:04:59 doopa: and "Don't panic" :) Jan 27 22:05:55 where's my towel ;) Jan 27 22:07:12 42! Jan 27 22:11:10 * VilleWitt notes the discussion of 3G cards... He has one that did not play well. Jan 27 22:11:35 My neighrbors SIM worked flawless in my phone - with pin Jan 27 22:11:50 Maby that upgrade would fix my sim card probs... Jan 27 22:12:33 btw, it's even pictured under "works" in the wiki... Jan 27 22:12:43 PaulFertser_: How many success have you heard of ? Jan 27 22:16:36 VilleWitt: i didn't count. What i can say is that there're no known to developers cases of completely unsuccessful attempt. Jan 27 22:17:37 k Jan 27 22:18:34 btw, is there a way to see whitch firmware is already present? Mine was delivered quite resently...? Jan 27 22:18:49 VilleWitt: there is. What distro are you running atm? Jan 27 22:19:00 Debian Jan 27 22:19:27 and also the 2008.12 on internal Jan 27 22:19:45 paul: when it says to ensure nothing else is using the modem do I run lsof /dev/whatever Jan 27 22:20:26 doopa: what distro are you running? Jan 27 22:20:40 2008.12 Jan 27 22:21:06 VilleWitt: does mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo work? Jan 27 22:21:28 doopa: i don't recommend and will not guide the process with that distro. Jan 27 22:22:35 jep Jan 27 22:22:38 paul: fair enough Jan 27 22:22:56 VilleWitt: alternatively, you can launch mickeyterm and issue AT+CGMR command there. Jan 27 22:23:10 paul: are you openmoko employee? Jan 27 22:23:18 doopa: NO :) Jan 27 22:24:00 paul: what difference will the distro make to flashing the firmware on the chip - just curious Jan 27 22:24:03 Moko9-beta1 Jan 27 22:24:12 nice - thx Jan 27 22:24:56 VilleWitt: you better upgrade. Better using ROM bootloader, there were some reports that moko9beta1 is difficult. But ROM works regardless. Jan 27 22:25:44 So, you are telling me thath I should (no warranty blabla) go for 10 ? Jan 27 22:26:19 ...difficult, how? Jan 27 22:26:37 doopa: mostly unexpected access to modem hardware (like what if some script decides to restart qpe?) Jan 27 22:27:00 doopa: if you trust your distro and knowledge, any distro will work. But i don't trust 2008.x. Jan 27 22:27:13 btw, bluetooth keyboard is really nice and works flawless! Jan 27 22:27:42 paul: :( Jan 27 22:27:47 VilleWitt: I'm not sure. Probably usual bootloader didn't react as it should or something. Maybe it doesn't matter at all. But you better upgrade to moko10. Use ROM bootloader. Jan 27 22:27:57 doopa: 2008.x is dead anyway, forget about it. Jan 27 22:28:51 zhone rocks... That isn't avalible on 2008.12 is it? Jan 27 22:29:03 For sure Jan 27 22:30:06 pardon my german... http://www.heise.de/tr/Abhoersicher-dank-Offenheit--/artikel/121937 Jan 27 22:30:34 there's a company selling open source gsm crypto phones Jan 27 22:30:58 i'd like it if openmoko was able to place calls to them Jan 27 22:31:04 (and other way round) Jan 27 22:31:11 (with crypto of course) Jan 27 22:33:22 VilleWitt: i did upgrade from debian. But i was sure that nothing will mess with the modem and its power interfaces. Jan 27 22:35:28 Well, I could play with the init levels and make a minimal debian... That would btw be handy when testing new applications... Jan 27 22:35:52 Wonka: It's says the software is open source... Is it FOSS? Jan 27 22:35:56 paul: I'm only just beginning so I wanted to see what would work first before playing too much Jan 27 22:36:14 paul: Which distro (s) do people recommend. Jan 27 22:37:24 haslam: for GSM firmware flashing? Read the wiki page carefully, that's mandatory if you want to flash. (it is fso-console image) Jan 27 22:38:01 well, have had my phone for 3 days now, have tested almost all - not console - but debian is by far the better atm. It is however, not a "phone like" experience Jan 27 22:38:11 paul: Its already flashed ;) no problems Jan 27 22:38:25 paul: but about the verification stage at the bottom... Jan 27 22:38:38 haslam: what distro did you use? Jan 27 22:38:46 haslam: what's about that? Jan 27 22:39:12 ville: 2008.12 Jan 27 22:39:44 paul: is the last command missing some backslashes ? Jan 27 22:40:15 haslam: echo -en 'AT+CGMR\r' >/dev/ttySAC0 ? no, it doesn't. Jan 27 22:40:42 paul: k Jan 27 22:44:06 VilleWitt: if i was to perform gsm flashing right now, i'd just killed zhone. Then verified that gsm0710muxd is also killed (frameworkd does that after the last consumer of GSM resource vanishes). And then did the flashing as described. There's always ROM bootloader if something goes wrong. Use my advices at your own risk ;) Jan 27 22:45:38 yeah - just wanna see what has happend the last 6months so that I can make a jugdement whenever asked... takes some time, but it's nice to know what going on... Jan 27 22:45:52 Can't wait for actual app. development thou... Jan 27 22:46:10 * VilleWitt likes Ada! Jan 27 22:47:22 ville: Dear god help us. But seriously - thats the kind of crap got me interested in this project. Running random stuff on a tiny little device. Jan 27 22:47:51 Good luck guys, i gotta sleep :) See you tomorrow :) Jan 27 22:47:52 All: I have signal and carrier infos Jan 27 22:47:53 VilleWitt: it is not FOSS. it is only open for purposes of review. but it should be possible to write compatible software... Jan 27 22:48:08 paul: thanks Jan 27 22:48:20 Wonka: yeah, I guess Jan 27 22:49:06 haslam: Well, im just a advocate of strong typing... Can't help it I like Ada! Jan 27 22:49:19 :p Jan 27 22:57:46 what kind of device is aux/power button to the kernel? what handles a press of those buttons? Jan 27 22:59:39 henk: no idea off the top of my head but a good area to start looking is googling the SHR development site about how they got the power button to show up as an x event Jan 27 23:03:50 well, it would make sense if it was "button"... have seen it in normal gentoo and debian.... Jan 27 23:06:53 PaulFertser_: killing zhone made the panel icon do look "disabled", as frameworkd shut it down... Good sign, good sign indeed... Jan 27 23:25:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4bd27f784af3 10/framework/ (config.py subsystem.py): track busmap in config for simple access to the proper bus connection from each and every module Jan 27 23:25:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb06930b7ca96 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (5 files): Jan 27 23:25:30 freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix object paths appearing. This has been broken since Jan 27 23:25:30 freesmartphone.org: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=8551825260f31baea9b8b3900d92e4e98d4c6a17 Jan 27 23:27:32 Tig|: good idea, thanks Jan 27 23:29:06 I remember seeing it over in that direction, apologies I am only popping on here when time allows Jan 27 23:35:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r3eeee558eba7 10/src/zhone: fix maximum rxlevel in monitoring now that fso has changed as well *cough* **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 27 23:37:37 2009 Jan 27 23:42:34 hi Jan 27 23:43:04 is there anyone in here who works on the openembedded openmoko-image Jan 27 23:43:52 I've just build it for my ipaq 21x port and it takes a bit of fiddling Jan 27 23:44:13 generally speaking though, its pretty good, its a lot better then the other iamges I've used (gpe opie etc) Jan 27 23:54:14