**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 29 02:59:57 2009 Jan 29 06:04:08 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r260d1b8ed645 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpschannel.py: ogpsd: repair ogpsd for GTA01 Jan 29 07:32:31 moin Jan 29 09:03:23 is the unstable SHR image stable enough to use? i cant find a download for the testing image. Jan 29 09:03:39 Yes, it's stable enough, it'll hit testing soon Jan 29 09:04:08 oh so there isnt a download for the testing image? Jan 29 09:04:45 downloading unstable now Jan 29 09:05:33 or isnt a testing image at all yet Jan 29 09:05:52 there is but it's not up to date at all Jan 29 09:06:01 it'll be updated when we'll release Jan 29 09:09:00 ok. which would you recomend. SHR or OM2008.12? ive been using 2008.12 with illume for a while Jan 29 09:10:52 the main reason im looking at SHR is because i would like to try out sms-sentry which doesnt seem to run on 2008.12 Jan 29 09:11:05 wehttamb: How dare you to ask that question to one of the SHR leaders? ;) Jan 29 09:11:36 oh. i didnt relise that. i can guess which one you would say is better Jan 29 09:12:24 wehttamb: and the most important which one HE will say is better. Anyway, 2008.x is dead! Jan 29 09:12:38 PaulFertser: wow wow wow ! Jan 29 09:12:46 Please don't call me like that :-) Jan 29 09:12:55 My head isn't big enough to burst just because SHR is the coolest thing ever :-p Jan 29 09:13:25 Ainulindale: what's your official SHR position then? Jan 29 09:13:28 :) Jan 29 09:13:34 Well, yes, but I don't publicize that Jan 29 09:13:51 I consider myself mainly as the community "manager" Jan 29 09:13:56 (w.r.t. SHR) Jan 29 09:14:00 ok. i think ill install shr now. Jan 29 09:15:08 sounds like it will get me further Jan 29 09:15:45 Well Jan 29 09:15:50 I have no idea about that wehttamb Jan 29 09:15:55 I'm happy to use it on a day to day basis Jan 29 09:16:02 But some people would rather use another distro Jan 29 09:16:05 That's their c hoice Jan 29 09:16:15 I'd rather use something brought up by the community for the community :-) Jan 29 09:16:28 as long as it will run without crashing constantly then should b good enough for me Jan 29 09:16:42 yea. that makes sense Jan 29 09:16:44 Well these days it's kind of slow, due to a bug in e Jan 29 09:16:50 But there's a workaround Jan 29 09:17:00 (Meanwhile we're working on eradicating this bug) Jan 29 09:17:24 ok. i guess i can find the workaround on the wiki? Jan 29 09:17:29 Anyway, 2008.x was designed to suck :) Jan 29 09:17:38 haha Jan 29 09:18:42 PaulFertser: tsss :-) Jan 29 09:18:49 You're a worse troller than me :-) Jan 29 09:19:56 Ainulindale: for sure, i've never wanted to troll. I just dislike 2008.x with passion :) Jan 29 09:20:12 So do I Jan 29 09:20:21 I'm not keen on paroli either Jan 29 09:20:25 I'd rather use plain old C Jan 29 09:20:43 also. im currently doing yr 12 software and i have to write a program for my major assesment. i would like to write something for the phone but im not shure what would be usefull. it would ideally be something in python Jan 29 09:20:58 And we're building something we think is better than what was tichy Jan 29 09:21:03 More related to UMAF in fact Jan 29 09:21:06 with strategies and such Jan 29 09:21:57 any ideas on what i could write? Jan 29 09:25:09 Something that does my job for me? Jan 29 09:25:09 i would like it to be useful and something i could contribute to the comunity when im finished Jan 29 09:26:04 what would that be? Jan 29 09:30:19 Is the Qt Extended rootfs under GPL? Jan 29 09:32:13 kstar: whole rootfs? i somehow doubt it Jan 29 09:33:02 lindi-: I don't like the word 'firmware' Jan 29 09:36:08 lindi-: Nice. It says GPL. Jan 29 09:36:53 lindi-: On http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 Jan 29 09:41:52 kstar: you trust "License GPL"? Jan 29 09:42:15 lindi-: Shouldn't I? Jan 29 09:42:48 kstar: i wouldn't trust such simple statements from upstream, they are often false :) Jan 29 09:43:05 kstar: download the source and see if the files at least have proper copyright notices Jan 29 09:43:31 kstar: they have not even specific which version GPL it is Jan 29 09:44:45 lindi-: Right. Good point. I'll do that. Jan 29 09:45:12 kstar: can you find the source? the source tarball i found contains binaries like assistant.exe configure.exe Jan 29 10:00:03 how can i get SHR to connect to my laptop over USB? is there something special i have to do? Jan 29 10:03:41 wehttamb: should be the same procedure as with the other distros Jan 29 10:04:05 yea im doing that put i cant ping the device Jan 29 10:05:57 when i was trying to use it before the power light was blue. now its red. is that making any difference? Jan 29 10:08:36 restarting the device fixed it. could have been because it was the first time i booted shr Jan 29 10:11:55 wehttamb: yeah, first time does that Jan 29 10:12:53 Ainulindale: yea. its all working now Jan 29 10:34:31 Hello all, I flashed FSO MileStone4.1 which did not include zhone by default so I did an opke install of it. It doesn't seem happy though and presently won't run. Anybody got this working Jan 29 11:08:14 is there a mirror somewhere of framework-settings? the site with the packages is down. Jan 29 11:13:29 or does anyone have a copy of it they could possibly upload? Jan 29 11:15:10 copy of what? Jan 29 11:15:56 the framework-settings ipk Jan 29 11:16:07 the site is down that the wiki links to Jan 29 11:16:56 its meant to b at http://stosb.com/openmoko/fso-settings_0.4_armv4t.ipk but i cant even access stosb.com Jan 29 11:19:43 isn't it also in the repositories of shr? Jan 29 11:20:35 ill have a look. both the shr wiki and the openmoko wiki both link to that Jan 29 11:21:29 just curious wehttamb: ar eyou using shr testing or unstable? Jan 29 11:21:45 and if you have shr questions, the best place to be is in fact #openmoko-cdevel Jan 29 11:21:49 Zorkman: unstable Jan 29 11:22:09 ok thanks. might go over to there Jan 29 11:23:04 its not really a shr problem as much as the site thats hosting the file just being dead Jan 29 12:25:45 hi, is anybody using tangogps with googlemaps?? Jan 29 12:26:14 it worked perfectly with 0.9.3, but with 0.9.5 it won't download new tiles, has google changed something, or is it just me? Jan 29 12:26:17 could anybody please check Jan 29 12:27:04 Zorkman: wtf how ? Jan 29 12:33:04 what do you mean 'how'? Jan 29 12:33:14 by trying it on your tangogps i presume.... Jan 29 12:35:46 i have never gotten it to work myself Jan 29 12:37:00 it's (was) extremely easy, just copy paste an url in your tangogps and check the inverted button Jan 29 12:38:47 x11vnc is highly recommended if you don't want to use the onscreenkeyboard for typing in the url manually :) Jan 29 12:38:49 neat Jan 29 12:39:29 it's documented in the wiki in which url's you should change it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Using_Google_Maps_with_tangoGPS Jan 29 12:39:41 tango also has a linux build so i download the images on a linux machine and copy them to the device Jan 29 12:39:59 it seems to work on the desktop Jan 29 12:40:31 strange why it doesn't want to work on my FR.... Jan 29 12:51:03 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * rf3262b4cf1b5 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: add some more dbus types Jan 29 12:51:28 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rbf7b557d1638 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: handle more dbus types Jan 29 12:52:36 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r12d3df686079 10/Makefile: Fix checkout and update of stable branch openembedded directory. Thx shoragan for tips. Jan 29 12:52:37 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * rf6dba00cce9e 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Set up for milestone5, remove remote.origin.fetch stuff, add -k to feed builds. Jan 29 12:52:39 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * rf6dba00cce9e 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Set up for milestone5, remove remote.origin.fetch stuff, add -k to feed builds. Jan 29 12:53:23 just entered it on the fr, it works fine for me Jan 29 13:08:14 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * re6c7d3ef3761 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: also use prettyPrint for signals Jan 29 13:08:52 thank for trying dns53 Jan 29 13:09:12 can't figure out what is wrong here... but maybe it's time for a reflash, it's been more than a week ;-) Jan 29 13:10:00 well you just need more sd cards and qi Jan 29 13:10:17 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * rd043e88acd27 10/Makefile: Fixed FSO_STABLE_VERSION to track the branch tip until release Jan 29 13:10:18 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * r12d3df686079 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Fix checkout and update of stable branch openembedded directory. Thx shoragan for tips. Jan 29 13:10:20 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * r12d3df686079 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Fix checkout and update of stable branch openembedded directory. Thx shoragan for tips. Jan 29 13:41:03 Hi people. I've been having serious trouble with my neo freerunner. After a long while of noe being able to connect with it, I have now been able to connect and flash it with a new image. However, my screen seems to go dim, unable to light up again once I turn it on. I can see the outline of the icons in the background but can't get the screen to light up again. Has anyone seen this before? Jan 29 13:43:42 sonic_: which image did you flash onto it? Jan 29 13:44:14 sonic_: I'm not an expert, fwiw. it's just an obvious question. Jan 29 13:44:23 First 2008.9 and now 2008.12 Jan 29 13:44:28 Same problem on both Jan 29 13:44:54 which I happen to be running atm. haven't seen "dim" Jan 29 13:45:32 is it dim during the entire boot process? Jan 29 13:45:33 hmmm.. is it possible I have a broken device? Jan 29 13:45:40 No, just after booting Jan 29 13:45:50 I used to have a laptop which did the same Jan 29 13:45:53 sonic_: remember there's three partitions involved here. uboot, kernel and rootfs Jan 29 13:46:19 I only flashed the rootf as that's all that was mentioned in the instruaciton Jan 29 13:46:39 ah ok. well. fwiw, I flashed all three and I'm having no trouble. Jan 29 13:46:48 ah Jan 29 13:47:07 so should I flash with .9 first before flashing with .12 or does it matter? Jan 29 13:47:16 by the by, I ended up putting the gta01 uboot on... and it actually works fine on the freerunner, so I didn't bother putting the gta02 uboot in place Jan 29 13:47:34 just flash what you intend to use Jan 29 13:47:50 ok, thanks SM2k Jan 29 13:47:52 you'll hear differing opinions about what it is you should be using :-) Jan 29 13:48:04 I'll try .12 :) Jan 29 13:49:37 these instructions work: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Jan 29 13:49:44 sonic_: you shoudn't use 2008.x anyway, that's crap ;) Jan 29 13:50:18 Is there a 2009.x? Jan 29 13:50:25 sonic_: there will never be! Jan 29 13:50:35 sonic_: 2008.x development line is abandoned. Jan 29 13:50:47 sonic_: what will probably be called 2009.x is entirely different system. Jan 29 13:50:53 PaulFertser_: So what would you recommend? Jan 29 13:51:05 sonic_: SHR unstable for now. Jan 29 13:51:14 Except by a team of coders, who escaped from a maximum security facility, convicted of a ... Jan 29 13:51:18 sonic_: are you trying to program the device or use it as a phone Jan 29 13:51:25 sonic_: or Debian (if you are goung to hack). Jan 29 13:52:06 I just want to make it do something to convince me it's worth the ¢400 I paid for it. Making a call would be a good start :) Jan 29 13:52:24 or even getting the screen to stay on Jan 29 13:52:34 or play an mp3 even Jan 29 13:53:01 PaulFertser_: Can I put SHR on with the flasher app? Jan 29 13:53:20 sonic_: Yes, sure :) if by the flasher app you mean something that supports DFU protocol. Jan 29 13:53:43 Yeah, it's a mac app but I don't see the SHR repo in there Jan 29 13:53:56 sonic_: you have a working portable computer with GNU/Linux OS, isn't it enough to convince you that it worths the money you paid? Jan 29 13:54:11 sonic_: http://shr-project.org Jan 29 13:54:29 PaulFertser_: It took me ~5 months to connect to it Jan 29 13:54:53 sonic_: WTF? do you have only Macs around and why can't you install GNU/Linux or one of it? Jan 29 13:55:13 not spending every minute of every day of course but I only was able to ssh 2 weeeks ago. Only have a Mac for now Jan 29 13:55:26 I'm poor Jan 29 13:55:34 sonic_: why don't you install GNU/Linux on your Mac? Jan 29 13:55:39 and don't have another availible machine Jan 29 13:55:45 no space on the drive Jan 29 13:55:55 lass than 600MB left Jan 29 13:56:24 sonic_: "only have a Mac" and "i'm poor" sounds a bit like oxymoron to me ;) Jan 29 13:56:57 'I pulled it out of a skip' Jan 29 13:57:00 sonic_: anyway, there're known issues with usb networking on Macs, that's true. Sorry about that. Jan 29 13:57:32 I bought it last year, MacBook, (before the recession) and before that I had no laptop for a few years while I was saving. I was using parts from a skip as my main machine Jan 29 13:57:47 SpeedEvil: exactly Jan 29 13:58:04 Sorry for mentioning recession :) Jan 29 13:58:12 sonic_: Your MAC can't boot from LiveCD? Jan 29 13:58:59 I was about to try that, but somehow, it suddenly connected Jan 29 13:59:05 on mac Jan 29 14:00:25 so is SHR working ok? Jan 29 14:00:37 More than ok. Jan 29 14:00:41 I use it on a daily basis Jan 29 14:00:52 I can call, edit/create contacts, send SMSes... Jan 29 14:01:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf38cc52fbf11 10/src/zhone: display time to first fix if available Jan 29 14:03:17 Wifi? Jan 29 14:03:44 I don't use it, but people do, and it works Jan 29 14:03:52 Whice version would you rcommend? Jan 29 14:03:58 Unstable Jan 29 14:03:59 Latest Jan 29 14:04:15 sonic_'s poor because he bought a mac ;-) Jan 29 14:04:22 lol Jan 29 14:04:34 sonic_: I'm staging my development on a mac mini until my shiny new dell arrives later today Jan 29 14:04:50 La-Tee-Da... :) Jan 29 14:05:00 sonic_: I actually am using VMware fusion to run ubuntu in a VM. I've been having very good success messing with the phone that way. Jan 29 14:05:40 but please realize I'm willing to go a little deeper into the weeds than the average guy. your mileage may vary Jan 29 14:05:56 That sounds cool. I really need to clear up some space on this thing. I was using parallels for Win apps but it was slow as hell, so I need RAM also Jan 29 14:06:09 * tordo can't do anything on his gta02 Jan 29 14:06:11 can't find it :( Jan 29 14:06:33 sonic_: I do admit trying to split 1G ram and a 2.4 Ghz processor has been a headache at best Jan 29 14:06:48 I'm not great with the inner workings on *nix Jan 29 14:06:48 More of a user than a guru/admin Jan 29 14:06:50 yep Jan 29 14:06:52 tordo: oops? :-) try calling it! Jan 29 14:07:01 SM2k: it's off :( Jan 29 14:07:08 think i left it somewhere Jan 29 14:08:23 tordo: somewhere you live hopefully, not "somewhere like the bus station" Jan 29 14:08:55 somewhere like a friends place or school Jan 29 14:09:09 if i left it at school i'm fucked :< Jan 29 14:10:32 meh Jan 29 14:11:26 someone should make a HHGG-style improbabilitydriven find-lost-stuff-machine Jan 29 14:11:44 tordo: mebbe I could find my mind Jan 29 14:11:44 the more improbable the place the thing is, the more energy the machine gets Jan 29 14:22:40 SM2k: Ok, flashing the kernel seems to have fixed the problem but I can't use the installer or anything like that. I agree with PaulFertser_ , 200x.x is crap Jan 29 14:22:57 PaulFertser_: Is there a particular version of SHR you are using? Jan 29 14:23:12 I wish real life had grep or locate Jan 29 14:23:30 CVirus: give google another 5 years Jan 29 14:23:34 LOL Jan 29 14:24:00 that's worth quoting in my favorite quotes on my facebook Jan 29 14:24:07 sonic_: to be honest, i'm not using SHR. I use Debian with FSO from git HEAD. I'm trying to hunt some bugs (and i'm using it as the only cell phone). But if you want to call, you better try SHR unstable (the latest). Jan 29 14:24:31 PaulFertser_: and you're not in #openmoko-debian? ;) Jan 29 14:24:50 ok, how about qtopia of android? Jan 29 14:24:51 henk: why should i be there? What's going on? Jan 29 14:25:00 sonic_: wait Jan 29 14:25:14 sonic_: fuck it, not the true way. Jan 29 14:25:16 the problem with the installer... is that it needs the toobs Jan 29 14:25:18 PaulFertser_: you could help :) Jan 29 14:26:00 henk: i'm a bad debian user, can't really build a package from scratch :) i just like that i can apt-get what others have already prepared :) Jan 29 14:26:35 sonic_: you're using a mac, right? hrm. well what I've done is routed thru my ubuntu VM... thus giving the phone access to the internet so they can update Jan 29 14:27:03 PaulFertser_: nothing wrong with being a consumer :-) Jan 29 14:27:48 SM2k: ok, cool. It would be great if the wifi could work Jan 29 14:27:57 SM2k: and i'm helping here with Qi and stuff. Also i've recently prepared a wikipage about bass fix, have you seen it? I'm not a consumer in general, just consumer of debian packages. Jan 29 14:28:01 oh it can sonic_ Jan 29 14:28:30 PaulFertser_: your name's in the wiki as one-of-the-ones-who-knows-what-hes-doing :-) Jan 29 14:28:40 so why would you use your vm to access internet? Jan 29 14:28:42 SM2k: Jan 29 14:29:00 sonic_: eh... cause I don't have a wireless access point :-) Jan 29 14:29:13 oh, haha Jan 29 14:29:17 sorry Jan 29 14:29:31 sonic_: I assume you do? Jan 29 14:29:40 yep Jan 29 14:29:55 I thought I was the last Jan 29 14:29:56 :) Jan 29 14:30:07 sonic_: well, here's the trick. I pretty much needed the USB routing to bootstrap anyhow. cause the terminal doesn't ship by default. Jan 29 14:30:19 SM2k: at wiki.openmoko.org? where exactly? ;) Jan 29 14:30:29 * SM2k rummages Jan 29 14:31:17 hrm. I coulda sworn :-) ... alas wiki search is lame Jan 29 14:31:23 hello guys Jan 29 14:31:27 heya gfather Jan 29 14:31:59 hay SM2k whats the news ? Jan 29 14:32:08 PaulFertser_: haven't seen it. i am only a debian user too, i did 'package' (build a .deb) from qwo lately, but i have no idea of what quality that package is. nevertheless i'm in there to help people that have even less a clue than me and get helped by people that have more knowledge than me... Jan 29 14:32:29 Hey gfather :) Jan 29 14:32:38 gfather: trying to understand GPRS this morn Jan 29 14:32:52 see how much mileage I can get that way. these phones are freakin cool! Jan 29 14:33:19 i dont have gps :( Jan 29 14:33:33 off topic and crude but hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4a4O7kXQo&feature=channel_page Jan 29 14:33:41 any one knows c coding ? Jan 29 14:34:16 gfather: gprs is the toobs-access-over-gsm Jan 29 14:34:45 gfather: :) Jan 29 14:34:52 ah ok , thought gps , gprs is too expensive where i live , so i dont use it too :) Jan 29 14:35:07 PaulFertser_ : my man :) , how are you m8 ? Jan 29 14:35:51 gfather: ok, nothing happens... Trying to buildroot an image for ARM7 :-/ The weather is stupid. How are you? Jan 29 14:38:26 just baried my father friend in the cemetarey and then went to the funeral Jan 29 14:38:28 :( Jan 29 14:39:36 that was my day , didnt even go to work , and i just came back Jan 29 14:39:42 other than that im cool :) Jan 29 14:39:58 gfather: oh man. so sorry. Jan 29 14:40:36 gfather: ... Jan 29 14:41:06 SM2k that okay m8 , its life Jan 29 14:41:09 :< Jan 29 14:41:43 brb in 30 minutes Jan 29 14:43:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6545e6144f4f 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: RingToneAction: listen for audio profile changes. Closes FSO #325 Jan 29 14:50:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf4df30138220 10/framework/patterns/null.py: add null object Jan 29 14:54:47 PaulFertser_: This SHR system looks wicked :D Jan 29 14:55:21 However, I've only flashed with kernel. Should I do rootfs flash also? Jan 29 14:55:27 sonic_: i've only seen screenshots at scape.linuxtogo.org Jan 29 14:55:36 sonic_: the rootfs is the most important part Jan 29 14:55:42 ok Jan 29 14:55:58 Is there an easy way to get my contacts on there? Jan 29 14:56:15 sonic_: also, if you're still using u-boot (Qi is better, read the wiki page! ;) ), flash the latest version of u-boot as well, that's a must. Jan 29 14:56:55 ok Jan 29 14:57:19 So Qi is actually useable now :) Jan 29 14:57:21 Nicely :) Jan 29 14:57:34 leinir: is that a question or a statement? ;) Jan 29 14:57:52 Sort of a question, but a statement seen in respect to what you just said ;) Jan 29 14:58:33 leinir: if you don't mind that it has no menu, yes, it's good and fast and easy to use. IMHO. Jan 29 14:59:55 Well, as long as it otherwise works fine, i can use the NOR u-boot when that's needed :) Jan 29 15:00:08 (for whatever reason, be it that nastiness with dead batteries or whatnot) Jan 29 15:10:57 PaulFertser_: Would you recommend FDOM? Jan 29 15:15:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcc6474ac69aa 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: add devrtc to cli-framework Jan 29 15:15:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re9ce74390961 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: fix bug in realtimeclock. closes FSO #330 Jan 29 15:22:05 Anyone using SHA. I'm trying to connect to my wifi network. It shows up in the scan and asks for a password. However, I can't seem to get a keyboard up to enter the PW. Any ints? Jan 29 15:24:00 never mind, found it :) Jan 29 15:27:40 Could someone direct me to a "generic" Free Runner channel? Jan 29 15:31:54 more generic than this channel is only the mailing list Jan 29 15:34:36 Okay Jan 29 15:35:14 Which distribution would you recommend for a stable phone, but with a whole bunch of packages Jan 29 15:35:39 SHR I'd say. Jan 29 15:35:42 But I'm biased :-) Jan 29 15:36:24 definitely shr Jan 29 15:36:30 * kstar had a whole bunch of trouble with SHR as far as the 'stable phone' part goes Jan 29 15:36:36 SHR but not with the latest kernel :) Jan 29 15:36:45 qte might also work ok Jan 29 15:37:05 I've currently tried QtE and SHR. I find QtE not-geeky-enough Jan 29 15:38:15 kstar: which kind of trouble? Jan 29 15:38:33 well, qte is the 'user' image Jan 29 15:38:35 hmm Jan 29 15:38:37 i wouldn't develop for it Jan 29 15:39:13 Sometimes, when I pick a call by clicking 'accept', the call gets accepted, but then the vibration doesn't cease, nor does the mic / speaker work Jan 29 15:39:15 pim + pim-sync is my main reason for not having it as main phone :( Jan 29 15:39:29 I mean, I don't hear anything, nor does the caller hear anything Jan 29 15:40:03 kstar: testing? Jan 29 15:40:08 If yes, try unstable. Jan 29 15:40:11 Alinermedia: Yep. Testing. Jan 29 15:40:12 Testing isn't up to date. Jan 29 15:40:17 (We should fix that, dammit) Jan 29 15:40:21 (I'll do so) Jan 29 15:40:37 Ainulindale: I guess you (or someone else here) told me that, but then, I had (what I thought was) trouble with unstable. Jan 29 15:41:06 Which kind? Jan 29 15:41:08 Ainulindale: But that, I think, was fake - my SIM wasn't sitting correctly inside the holder :-D Jan 29 15:41:17 Ainulindale: GSM Jan 29 15:41:37 Heh Jan 29 15:41:45 Then retry with the SIM properly inserted :-) Jan 29 15:42:12 hm, I was using shr-testing as a daily phone... upgraded to unstable, but hit http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/232 -> returned to my almost-dead siemens phone, sigh Jan 29 15:42:42 Well, I'm a KDE guy and would really love to get KDE running on this. Are there any successes? I heard there was a GSoC that ported KDE plasma onto the Freerunner? Jan 29 15:51:46 hey i have a problem with the toolchain. i am using archlinux. i installed libmokoui2 by hand, but if i do om-conf the sample project i get the error that there is no libmokoui2, but there is one in /usr/local/lib/libmokoui2 and the $PKG_CONFIG_PATH is /usr/lib/pkgconfig and /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig Jan 29 16:07:38 PaulFertser_: enjoying the latest kernel? ;-) Jan 29 16:17:13 Ainulindale: I'm back on unstable. Will report any bugs I find. Thanks Jan 29 16:17:53 kstar: Well I'm regenerating a version now so... :-) Jan 29 16:17:58 (Which will break the upgrade path) Jan 29 16:21:25 hm, anyone using moko with a 64bit machine? Jan 29 16:21:36 i think the ether gadget doesn't work? Jan 29 16:22:02 Oops Jan 29 16:22:19 Ainulindale: Yep, I hit a problem. :-) Jan 29 16:22:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * rfffe681572be 10/ (Makefile.am gsm0710/posixextra.vapi src/multiplexer.vala): posixextra is now part of upstream vala Jan 29 16:22:41 Ainulindale: Will wait. Thanks for that info Jan 29 16:23:15 kstar: first problem will be no usb, you have to reboot and it's gone Jan 29 16:23:59 Ainulindale: Hold on, I didn't get you Jan 29 16:24:07 Ainulindale: I thought the repos were broken. Jan 29 16:24:16 ? Jan 29 16:24:21 Why would it be? Jan 29 16:24:21 Ainulindale: I'm using a version I downloaded 2 ~ 3 days back Jan 29 16:24:28 * kstar will investigate Jan 29 16:24:31 kstar: wait Jan 29 16:24:36 We modified lots of thing recently Jan 29 16:24:43 Things that will break the upgrade path with opkg Jan 29 16:24:49 Only way to have a sane image is to reflash Jan 29 16:25:21 ok, so shouldn't upgrade on unstable, just reflash from a daily image? Jan 29 16:25:31 Right now, yes Jan 29 16:25:37 But it's not usual Jan 29 16:25:39 allright Jan 29 16:25:43 Okay Jan 29 16:25:45 That's just because we follow fso OE branch Jan 29 16:25:48 Which reverted some patches Jan 29 16:25:51 But can I do opkg install's Jan 29 16:25:57 Which imply things Jan 29 16:26:06 kstar: yes you can, you'll probably bork your system on the long term though Jan 29 16:26:13 ☺ Jan 29 16:26:20 Okay, I get it Jan 29 16:26:25 Thanks. Jan 29 16:26:27 Images are here by the way Jan 29 16:26:29 I didn't test them Jan 29 16:26:46 º anyone having problems with cdc_ether on a 64bit system? or is it just debian's kernel that's broken? Jan 29 16:26:51 s/º/so Jan 29 16:27:02 heh Jan 29 16:27:04 No problem with my AMD64 Jan 29 16:27:25 ok, then debian unstable kernel's cdc_ether is borken Jan 29 16:27:26 thanks Jan 29 16:28:19 [39776.590571] usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 Jan 29 16:28:19 [39778.020346] hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 Jan 29 16:29:36 Ok, flashing. Jan 29 16:47:24 * SM2k notes that the atpoff script mentioned on the openmoko wiki assumes that all init scripts get called on shutdown. which actually isn't always true these days. Jan 29 16:47:53 some distros try to "optimize" by only running stop for daemons that created a pid file in /var/run Jan 29 16:49:30 atpoff is not required for most current distros, and depending on which kernel you have, the kernel may be powering off the device at shutdown on the gta02 hardware. Jan 29 16:50:11 I'm running 23rd Jan's unstable release, but almost every crucial (phone-related) app closes unexpectedly with 'No error message' Jan 29 16:50:15 Any pointers? Jan 29 16:50:36 check /var/log/ophonekitd.log Jan 29 16:51:06 soul9: no, FDOM is 2008.x based Jan 29 16:51:20 sonic_: it was meant for you, sorry, soul9 :) Jan 29 16:51:20 Okay, it's the same thing: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/232 Jan 29 16:51:23 Ainulindale: ^ Jan 29 16:51:40 kstar: that's what frameworkd returns Jan 29 16:51:49 So try to relaunch ophonekitd Jan 29 16:51:52 (DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&) Jan 29 16:51:58 Okay Jan 29 16:52:07 PaulFertser_: So it was FSO that you use? Jan 29 16:52:26 sonic_: i use Debian with FSO from git HEAD installed manually Jan 29 16:53:09 Ah, hmmm... It seems hard to find a distro with everything I'd like Jan 29 16:53:59 Ainulindale: Seems to be working now Jan 29 16:54:42 kstar: great then Jan 29 16:55:21 mwester: not yet :) In fact i'm very disappointed by the level of effort Andy puts *himself* in the android support. I think i see no other way to good FR support kernel-wise apart from the tracking approach. It's bad for the users now, but we'll all benefit when the stuff finally hits upstream. But what bothers me is that some real bugs are not dealt with and android shit gets attention instead. Jan 29 16:56:10 But... It's shiny! ;) Jan 29 16:56:36 Ainulindale: So I need to do this everytime I reboot? Jan 29 16:56:50 Ainulindale: Why is it that it works off a terminal, while not from init.d or whatever? Jan 29 16:57:11 kstar: it's supposed to work Jan 29 16:57:18 But it doesn't for no apparent reasons Jan 29 16:57:24 I'll investigate that Jan 29 16:57:36 mwester: good to know Jan 29 16:57:55 I was busily installing the script, but I guess it's not useful. can't hurt given it's only for power down Jan 29 16:58:44 Ainulindale: Can I help? Jan 29 16:59:06 Well yeah, you could investigate yourself what it outputs that message for no reason Jan 29 16:59:10 s/what/why/ Jan 29 16:59:10 Ainulindale meant: Well yeah, you could investigate yourself why it outputs that message for no reason Jan 29 16:59:38 Hmm Jan 29 16:59:43 Ainulindale: Any hints on how to do that? Jan 29 17:00:23 kstar: Nope :-) Jan 29 17:00:44 Ainulindale: ophonekitd crashed again Jan 29 17:01:00 which reason this time? Jan 29 17:01:09 Please add your log and frameworkd.log to the ticket Jan 29 17:01:35 This is what it says: Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" doesn't exist Jan 29 17:01:38 Okay Jan 29 17:01:41 ? Jan 29 17:01:45 That shouldn't be there Jan 29 17:01:53 Are you using GTA02 or GTA01? Jan 29 17:02:02 (Either way, it shouldn't be there. Did you flash the kernel?) Jan 29 17:02:03 GTA02 Jan 29 17:02:04 PaulFertser_: I'm actually glad that I am not the only person who has noticed that Andy seems infatuated with Android, and gives it preferential treatment -- it proves I'm not imagining it. I share the concern about lack of priorities. Jan 29 17:02:25 Ainulindale: Okay, I could be using an old kernel, then :-S Jan 29 17:02:43 kstar: then upgrade to the one in the unstable dir Jan 29 17:02:49 this is because ophonekitd tries to suspend Jan 29 17:02:53 and can't get the power status Jan 29 17:04:22 Okay Jan 29 17:04:43 shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin from the unstable directory, right? Jan 29 17:10:02 kstar, Ainulindale: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/122 Jan 29 17:10:27 well, Ainulindale obviously already knows about it :) Jan 29 17:10:35 johnsu01: This is old and known Jan 29 17:11:39 johnsu01: answered Jan 29 17:25:58 raster: btw, for the get_e.sh script, I had to install pkg-config, which I guess the script doesn't check for. Otherwise eina build fails on a configure error. Jan 29 17:26:48 raster: (on my debian FR install) Jan 29 17:45:40 * SM2k decides it's time to move to FSO Jan 29 17:45:56 after all, I don't give a rat about actually using this device as a phone. :-) Jan 29 17:50:03 hey, i want to compile things with the toolchain. do i have to make everything? i mean the libmokoui2 needs gtk+ which needs glib, pango...? Jan 29 17:51:02 root_at: generally no, you don't have to compile anything Jan 29 17:52:02 SM2k, but why isnt it working? i tried to om-conf the sample and it says that there is no libmokoui2, so i wanted to compile libmokoui2, but this lib needs gtk, which needs,...? Jan 29 17:52:33 you followed the wiki on using the toolchain? Jan 29 17:53:00 anybody know where FSO images are? PaulFertser_ was it you who'd suggested FSO-unstable? Jan 29 17:53:13 not exactly cause i cant, i am using archlinux. but i installed the toolchain with yaourt openmoko-toolchain, someone build a package Jan 29 17:53:28 and i also installed the toolchain by hand Jan 29 17:54:10 root_at: gotcha. well using debian I had no trouble. when I needed a package I just used target-install to put it into the toolchain dir structure Jan 29 17:55:12 SM2k, but i cant opkg-target install libmokoui2 Jan 29 17:55:32 eh? on the phone or in the dev-stack? Jan 29 17:57:14 SM2k, on my archlinux Jan 29 17:57:47 ohh i forget to opkg update...hope it works then Jan 29 17:58:48 hm...opkg update seems to do nothing, and opkg-target update just gives me 404's Jan 29 18:00:24 opkg-target is the command you're looking for. it's an alias to the binary in the toolchain tree Jan 29 18:00:34 you did run the setup-env script I assume? Jan 29 18:00:38 source it that is Jan 29 18:00:50 i did run it Jan 29 18:01:00 what should i source` Jan 29 18:01:01 ? Jan 29 18:01:50 root_at: I've found that the openmoko wiki does tell you the right stuff, you just have to read it carefully because it doesn't beat you over the head with most of the info. I admit to needing to re-read sections because I skimmed and skipped steps. Jan 29 18:02:00 no you do not need to source, if you used . Jan 29 18:02:55 i read it several times...i just will go on compiling everythings i need Jan 29 18:03:36 oh and opkg-target update doesnt totally 404..its getting all armv4t and gta02..i think there shouldnt be more Jan 29 18:05:11 root_at: I remember seeing some 404's and simply ignored them. in my case it did the right thing Jan 29 18:06:38 SM2k, but can you install libmokoui2 with opkg-target install libmokoui2? Jan 29 18:07:10 root_at: my system's a mess atm, so I can't check. sorry. Jan 29 18:07:34 SM2k, ok, thanks so far Jan 29 18:07:47 np. sorry I can't be more useful to you Jan 29 18:09:20 SM2k, its working now, i needed to opkg-target install libmokoui2-0 you helped me alot ;) Jan 29 18:10:32 hope that i can compile the sample now : / Jan 29 18:10:40 oops. duh. I should have thought of that Jan 29 18:11:10 i forget it everytime...its not usually to me that i have to add version numbers Jan 29 18:11:17 root_at: you'll notice opkg opkg-cl opkg-target and friends have a list arg that you could pipe to grep Jan 29 18:11:23 as in opkg-target list Jan 29 18:11:36 opkg-target list | grep libmokoui Jan 29 18:11:41 yeah, i found that out with opkg-target list | grep libmokoui Jan 29 18:12:58 shit..he still cant find libmokoui, but its in /usr/local/openmoko/..../lib... Jan 29 18:13:17 root_at: once you get your head wrapped around all this stuff you should be in good shape. Jan 29 18:13:42 I pretty much sounded like a hopeless n00b last week myself :-) Jan 29 18:14:04 (not to say you do. hope it didn't come across like that) Jan 29 18:14:24 i would call myself a noob, my FR is just 2 weeks old Jan 29 18:14:33 and i didnt have that much time yet Jan 29 18:14:44 root_at: as are the ones in my hands Jan 29 18:15:17 * SM2k heads afk for a moment Jan 29 18:22:26 SM2k, is it fine that there is no file for libmokoui2-0 in /..../pkgconfig? Jan 29 18:23:12 should be Jan 29 19:05:49 how does one alter the settings on the FSO image to have it not shut off? Jan 29 19:06:18 as in auto-standby? Jan 29 19:12:43 add suspend=0 under idle.notifier in /etc/frameworkd.conf Jan 29 19:12:55 or disable=1 Jan 29 19:13:06 something like that Jan 29 19:13:26 jonsmith1982: ah, I'd just found the config stuff thru the gui Jan 29 19:13:47 there are instructions for that on the wiki Jan 29 19:13:50 looks like FSO distinguishes between shutting off the display and going into poweroff mode? Jan 29 19:13:56 check under shr Jan 29 19:14:15 jonsmith1982: thanks Jan 29 19:53:42 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf6f70350a18a 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: remove org.freesmartphone.Device.RealTimeClock.Suspend Jan 29 19:53:43 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r5f9b1f9df7fc 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: complete the integer types Jan 29 19:54:12 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * rc1a0eda021ce 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: complete the integer types Jan 29 20:23:00 what do i need to install if glib.h is missing?(toolchain) i have libglib-2.0-dev Jan 29 20:25:53 rejoice? ;) Jan 29 20:50:27 can anyone plz help me with the toolchain? its not finding any includes Jan 29 21:37:58 Hello; are there any (un-)official informations about when or whether there will be some GTA03 designs around? Jan 29 21:38:37 GTA03 page doesn't say much, as well as MokoForesight (which seems to be quite outdated) Jan 29 21:40:11 I didn't think there was anything about GTA03 announced yet apart from they were hoping it would happen this year Jan 29 21:44:18 Tig|: 'it would happen' = announcement, initial design, or even design finalization? Jan 29 21:46:02 mmp it is openmoko they could mean anything Jan 29 21:49:59 Free Rapidshare accounts: http://konta-rs.waw.pl/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=24c221a2e836fc59cc0dcdac1f103d78 Jan 29 21:55:45 Tig|: :-) ok, thanks anyway Jan 29 22:46:37 what are the event files in /dev/input/? 1 has to be the touchscreen afaict. what about the others? Jan 29 22:47:01 accelerometers Jan 29 22:47:11 and buttons Jan 29 22:47:18 cjb: which is which? Jan 29 22:47:29 don't remember, think 2 and 3 are accel Jan 29 22:58:28 hi, can openmoko support SMS acknowledgment? Jan 29 23:27:10 yay finally i got it to work :) now what do i do with it? 'g' Jan 29 23:27:40 Heh :P Jan 29 23:55:57 I just flashed SHR-Unstable to see how it is, pretty decent, needs polish (but it's unstable so meh), but e seems to be running at 20-25% all the time. Is this expected? Jan 29 23:57:40 Yeah, it's a known bug. Jan 29 23:57:54 Ahh ok, cool Jan 29 23:58:02 It is unstable after all Jan 30 00:09:05 Is anyone else here running wicd off of opkg.org? Jan 30 02:50:08 someone speak portuguese? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 30 02:59:57 2009