**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 30 02:59:57 2009 Jan 30 03:09:32 hello? Jan 30 03:11:44 sup Rampentpancake_ Jan 30 03:12:42 ah, there we go Jan 30 03:13:00 sorry, litte new to the irc thing :) Jan 30 03:14:13 :) Jan 30 03:14:26 starting out with IRC is a bit of a bitch at first :P Jan 30 03:14:32 yeah Jan 30 03:15:34 so i think this entire openmoko project is one of the coolest things i've ever seen. Jan 30 03:16:04 nah, stretching a phenom processor to 6.something ghz is a cool project Jan 30 03:16:13 i mean, a totaly open cellphone that you can hack, that's cool Jan 30 03:16:25 i'm a bit of a gaget freak Jan 30 03:17:02 @ rooly yeah that's cool Jan 30 03:17:54 i happen to have a phenom processor in my comp, but no overclock Jan 30 03:18:36 don't want to kill it Jan 30 03:18:40 XD Jan 30 03:19:25 so will there be a freerunner price drop when it becomes useable? Jan 30 03:19:35 like, consumer friendly? Jan 30 03:19:36 probably not Jan 30 03:19:40 hmm Jan 30 03:19:54 $300 for a cellphone Jan 30 03:19:56 see, the price can only drop when the production gets very high Jan 30 03:19:59 oh Jan 30 03:20:13 sorry, haven't taken econ. yet Jan 30 03:20:13 Rampentpancake_: 600$ for an iphone, 500$ for any one of it's clones Jan 30 03:20:28 600$! Jan 30 03:20:30 Yeah, but they *work* Jan 30 03:20:33 300$ for a fully open peice of hardware that can do just about anything is pretty damn good Jan 30 03:20:54 yeah, i see your point Jan 30 03:21:07 mwester: what they can do, they do pretty good. but they can't do anything else Jan 30 03:21:27 "open" seems to be a bit of a buzzword at this point Jan 30 03:21:38 google, and now palm... Jan 30 03:21:43 true, it is a buzz word Jan 30 03:21:50 google...is far from open Jan 30 03:22:02 meant android Jan 30 03:22:12 android is not an open platform either. Jan 30 03:22:32 not in the sense that the freerunner is open Jan 30 03:22:39 its not linux either Jan 30 03:22:45 you don't have choice on android. you simply do it their way Jan 30 03:22:49 (in the modern common use of linux being more than the kernel) Jan 30 03:23:41 you don't have choice on iphone or blackberry or anything else. you simply do it their way Jan 30 03:24:06 windows mobile is more open than anything in the market Jan 30 03:25:24 so true Jan 30 03:25:48 which is honestly kinda scary Jan 30 03:28:18 he's gone isn't he Jan 30 03:34:53 lol Jan 30 03:34:56 maybe :P Jan 30 03:35:31 the moko is rather cool i agree but for now i'll go back to a cheap pos and use the moko for "tinkering" Jan 30 03:35:43 running zohne doesnt really intrest me :P Jan 30 03:35:57 's what i do now, kahn Jan 30 03:36:03 unfortunately Jan 30 03:48:38 yeah - though i allways get excited when i look at the API so i guess it will be love hate for a while :P Jan 30 03:48:53 just give me a stylus free keyboard and i'll be a happy camper Jan 30 03:52:40 nught night Jan 30 03:57:25 anyone running andriod -> how to set dns ? Jan 30 03:57:35 / turn off the sim wanting a pin ... Jan 30 03:57:41 (i don't have a pin on the said sim) Jan 30 04:01:08 roooooooooooooooooly! Jan 30 04:01:13 come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack Jan 30 04:35:10 hm, getting an evas error now trying to start zhone on debian Jan 30 04:35:12 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'image_cache_set' Jan 30 04:42:56 i have small problem -> android wants some random ip of 192.168.0.219 for my routing .. Jan 30 04:42:59 no idea why tho Jan 30 04:44:28 because it set sup its usbnet interface with a fixed ip? Jan 30 04:44:49 ah ? Jan 30 04:45:00 man ifconfig Jan 30 04:45:03 well no as in i ping google.com and its looking for that Jan 30 04:45:09 its a routing thing. Jan 30 04:45:49 i can ping on my network but i can't ping google.com Jan 30 04:49:59 checked your device/gateway for rouge routes? Jan 30 04:50:16 trying its a bit 'interesting' Jan 30 04:50:39 `route -n` Jan 30 04:51:07 mmm it wasn't showing anything with just route before. will try that later Jan 30 04:52:00 running `route` does name lookups on hosts listed in the output, so it can take a moment Jan 30 04:52:29 Kamping_Kaiser: 'ifconfig' doesn't show anything ^^ Jan 30 04:52:33 speaking of which, why do i have 6 routes set on my desktop o_0 gateway should be handling all that nonsense Jan 30 04:52:54 what nothing specifically? Jan 30 04:54:30 no ... nothing really rofl. Jan 30 04:56:11 >.> Jan 30 04:57:15 i'm REALLY starting to hate how every distro puts the ip in the 192.168.0 range Jan 30 04:57:19 wtf is up with that Jan 30 04:59:24 (usb0) Jan 30 05:00:48 why not? Jan 30 05:03:14 d-b: can't you change it? Jan 30 05:04:34 lindi-: i hope ^^> Jan 30 05:04:41 i'm going to mount the filesystem and have a look. Jan 30 05:15:22 "read only file system" Jan 30 07:51:34 billk: do you have any difficulties with append-GTA02 file? Jan 30 07:52:11 Hi Paul, not booting from SD card ... Jan 30 07:52:18 have set it up and will Jan 30 07:52:31 see what happens - cant reboot as expecting a call Jan 30 07:53:05 billk: Ah, i see now. Jan 30 07:53:05 hi Jan 30 07:53:37 billk: so, the problem with no feedback is because you're using NAND... Hm, let me think about it... Jan 30 07:54:01 trying to install a custom kernel, i copied arch/arm/boot/vmlinux to /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin Jan 30 07:54:14 soul9: it's wrong, sorry ;) Jan 30 07:54:20 heh Jan 30 07:54:23 thought so Jan 30 07:54:29 since it doesn't boot :-D Jan 30 07:54:51 PaulFertser_: tell me and i'll write it to the wiki ;-) Jan 30 07:54:53 soul9: if you're using a recent enough Qi, then build zImage and copy it instead. Jan 30 07:55:01 soul9: and it's on the wiki :) Jan 30 07:55:03 already Jan 30 07:55:13 recent enough means what? Jan 30 07:55:15 it is? Jan 30 07:55:18 PaulFertser_: yes - booting from SD never really worked - mostly crashes during boot, probably need to slow Jan 30 07:55:28 down clk at boot - I do it Jan 30 07:55:35 this is what i used http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel Jan 30 07:55:38 once the kernel is up at the moment Jan 30 07:55:51 doesnt cause any probs then. Jan 30 07:56:05 billk: hm, for me booting from SD worked the first time i tried. After that i changed my SD to a bigger one and had some interesting experience of blindly guessing why it didn't work. Jan 30 07:56:51 billk: but for me the kernel was not fetched from SD, so i new that something was wrong with accessing SD itself. Jan 30 07:57:24 soul9: zImage support was added by Werner on Jan 9. Jan 30 07:57:29 ok, cool Jan 30 07:57:36 i got more recent than that, yeap Jan 30 07:57:44 PaulFertser_: am usingh 8GB sandisk - sometimes couldnt find kernel, sometimes crashed, usually corrupted filesystem in process Jan 30 07:58:23 billk: so, the kernel doesn't support the card even if booted from NAND? Jan 30 07:58:28 lots of OSM maps - they used to cause probs too (using tangogps) until I discovered the slowing the clk trick Jan 30 07:58:40 billk: what kernel are you using? Jan 30 07:58:49 PaulFertser_: 2006.12 Jan 30 07:58:55 PaulFertser_: 2008.12 Jan 30 07:59:14 PaulFertser_: thats a 2.6.24 Jan 30 07:59:37 billk: no wonder it works bad with your SD, many fixes were introduced after that. Jan 30 08:00:24 PaulFertser_: yaeh, but bug #2215 means I cant use any more recent distro - firmly convinced its the mux, but not why Jan 30 08:01:29 PaulFertser_: where is it on the wiki? Jan 30 08:01:50 billk: the lack of ability to use append-GTA02 file on NAND is due to design issues: where is it supposed to be? There's just no decent place for it. Either hold power button while you boot (recent Qi adds loglevel=8) or recompile Qi with the parameters you need. Jan 30 08:02:01 soul9: zImage support mentioned on Qi page. Jan 30 08:02:18 ok, will try that later, tkx Jan 30 08:02:30 billk: you mean recompile Qi to get feedback? Jan 30 08:03:28 no, reboot - using phone at the moment :) Jan 30 08:03:36 billk: you know, Qi was designed with the idea to boot easily and that means boot from SD. GTA03 won't even have a possibility to boot from NAND, afaik. Jan 30 08:04:26 Will prob go back to ubott - Qi is too frustrating and too slow (from the point of view you dont know when it has booted until the screen is up. Jan 30 08:04:36 billk: anyway, if the kernel is stable, it shouldn't die during boot, so no need to worry about absence of the messages. And if it's not, you're not supposed to debug it in improper light conditions ;) Jan 30 08:06:12 billk: you seem to be a fan of unsupported things (2008.x clearly shows it), so go for u-boot ;) Jan 30 08:06:39 Its not debugging, its trying to see if its even working at all Jan 30 08:07:05 Don't update your working kernel in the places where you can't debug the boot, it's easy ;) Jan 30 08:07:16 not so much unsupported - its trying to find a combination that works - can make phone calls, can rexieve and send sms messages Jan 30 08:07:46 what good is supported if it cant do that - supported for what? Jan 30 08:08:04 billk: 2008.x is unsupported. Prove me wrong, who does support 2008.x? Jan 30 08:08:20 aaah ok Jan 30 08:08:26 so i need to do a make zImage Jan 30 08:08:44 The question for me is will the supported software work - it doesnt so I can use it! Jan 30 08:08:54 soul9: or uImage (but make sure makeimage u-boot utility is available). zImage is simpler to get. Jan 30 08:09:25 ok Jan 30 08:09:27 damn Jan 30 08:09:33 i don't have my card reader here :-( Jan 30 08:09:35 billk: afaik "supported" means somebody supports it. And nobody supports 2008.x, afaik. Jan 30 08:09:49 no? Jan 30 08:10:03 there is no other "release" from om, or is there? Jan 30 08:10:39 soul9: MS5 is around the corner. Jan 30 08:10:47 soul9: FSO MS5 Jan 30 08:11:15 soul9: but it bears nothing in common with 2008.x-omg-they-use-qtopia distro. Jan 30 08:11:46 My problem is I need a working phone - doesnt matter if its supported until #2215 is fixed - not fixed, cant use it Jan 30 08:12:16 billk: don't use fso-gsm0710muxd? Jan 30 08:12:28 billk: just use gsm0710muxd instead? Jan 30 08:13:02 billk: your problem then is that you need to use a regular dumb cellphone, not a development problem ;) Jan 30 08:13:10 Neither work! - is there someting that can substitute I can try? Jan 30 08:13:54 Gotta go pick up up my son, back later :) Jan 30 08:14:40 billk: "will not register" is bit confusing if the real problem is that you can't send any AT commands Jan 30 08:16:07 lindi-: true :) Jan 30 08:28:25 PaulFertser_: yeah, heh Jan 30 08:39:01 lindi-: Hi, yes, you are right. There is probably two things going on, Jan 30 08:39:40 lindi-: the serial comms are unreliable in that they sometimes initiase, sometimes not Jan 30 08:40:09 lindi-: and the mux tries and opens the serial comms in a different way that doesnt work Jan 30 08:40:22 billk: any idea why it works here always? Jan 30 08:40:30 lindi-: with my hardware Jan 30 08:40:37 billk: you have different hardware? Jan 30 08:41:15 It works for me reliably with 2007.2 (last year now :), mostly with 2008.x, never with the mux Jan 30 08:41:48 lindi-: so have to stay with 2008.12 which works Jan 30 08:41:52 good morning Jan 30 08:42:02 billk: again, do you have different hardware? Jan 30 08:42:04 evening Jan 30 08:42:26 standard gta02v5 purchased as part of the first Australian Jan 30 08:42:43 billk: then it should not behave differently Jan 30 08:42:49 group but when the FR was first released - batch Jan 30 08:42:53 of some 60 phones Jan 30 08:43:40 Ive tried 4 different vodaphone.au SIMS, and one Telstra 3G SIM, but the problems persists with no SIM Jan 30 08:43:46 either Jan 30 08:43:54 billk: i don't see how SIM could cause this Jan 30 08:44:24 lindi-: it shouldnt, but getting desperate ... Jan 30 08:44:47 billk: sudo strace -s4096 -v -f -o mux.strace gsm0710muxd Jan 30 08:44:57 billk: and i can compare against that when i get out of work Jan 30 08:45:52 ok, will have to reload some things which will take time - have to do it later this evening Jan 30 08:46:14 lindi-: didnt think to strace it - good idea! Jan 30 08:47:10 lindi-: i think we tried to debug it with billk but got no results. Even if he uses minicom instead of the muxer sometimes he gets "AT-Command interpreter ready" again and again without pressing or doing anything. So, it's not muxer's problem, probably the muxer would work on a successful but if it didn't touch power_on modem interface. Jan 30 08:48:23 PaulFertser_: odd Jan 30 08:48:38 PaulFertser_: could the hardware really be different? Jan 30 08:49:13 lindi-: hardware brakes, you know it. Some 10000-20000 thousands were produced, no wonder some glitches occur. Jan 30 08:50:44 PaulFertser_: the problem is that is why do others work, ok, some mostly and this not at all? Jan 30 08:51:36 PaulFertser_: also, I found someone else with a similar stty profile to my device, also Jan 30 08:51:39 completely unrelated, how do i figure out the size of a block device? Jan 30 08:51:43 billk: can you get minicom to work reliably? I guess some problems can be due to the improper sysfs interface, i'm going to try another approach (the sane one) this weekend. Jan 30 08:51:46 stat does not seem to show it Jan 30 08:51:46 having pproblems, though different Jan 30 08:52:42 minicom will generally work, unless you try and use it when its in the "AT COMMAND READY" mode, then it cant Jan 30 08:52:47 communicate either Jan 30 08:53:21 billk: mode? isn't that what it prints when it boots? Jan 30 08:53:33 Ive just shut down X - the gsm was registered and working Jan 30 08:53:59 confirmed that it works with minicom (at commands work and I get an OK Jan 30 08:54:15 lindi-: that's his problem: the "mode" where his modem can't work and reboots without an end. :) Jan 30 08:54:27 quit minicom with vtrl-a-q so it doesnt reset the port Jan 30 08:55:04 and run your strace command - at the moment is hung at the same point Jan 30 08:55:17 as Paul discovered the other day Jan 30 08:55:25 I'll leave it awhile before Jan 30 08:55:29 I ctrl C it Jan 30 08:57:15 lindi-: actually this wont tell much - have to get a vanilla fso or gsm mux first - I think the one on the phone is is one I played with and I am not sure which changes I made. Jan 30 09:02:15 linid-: there is a pastebin at http://pastebin.com/d17be1684 - hung at write(6, "\r\n\r\n\r\nAT\r\n", 10) = 10 Jan 30 09:02:41 lindi-: after that its the result of ctrl-C Jan 30 09:03:39 lindi-: I am installing vailla mux from opkg now (matches 2008.12, not fso), and will redo - dont expect much difference Jan 30 09:05:02 billk: imho you should first understand where that "mode" when even minicom can't communicate comes from. Jan 30 09:05:23 billk: why does your strace log to stderr with -o option? Jan 30 09:06:26 lindi-: was one of the mods - turn on debugging - I was using shr-lite at the time and it was the only way to get it Jan 30 09:06:35 to log when booting Jan 30 09:07:26 lindi-: should have a better one soon Jan 30 09:32:03 lindi-, PaulFertser_: clean strace at http://pastebin.com/d76356971 Jan 30 09:32:22 lindi-, PaulFertser_: rebooted and allowed to register (2008.12) Jan 30 09:32:37 lindi-, PaulFertser_: closed X and ran strace Jan 30 09:33:24 lindi-, PaulFertser_: root@om-gta02:~# opkg list_installed|grep mux Jan 30 09:33:45 lindi-, PaulFertser_: gsm0710muxd - 0.9.1+gitr9+3ff86b129640b647ccba3d86eb243d864671b039-r0 - Jan 30 09:33:59 lindi-, PaulFertser_: back later. Jan 30 10:27:23 hello, how do I disable screen blanking from shell when no X is running ? Jan 30 10:28:00 I'm looking for it with no luck. Btw with Xglamo on, xset s off doesn't help either Jan 30 10:39:56 any idea whether Xglamo supports xdmcp ? Jan 30 10:41:19 xglamo is kdrive, right? if that's the case then probably no xdmcp. Jan 30 10:43:09 isnt it tinyx or something ? Jan 30 10:43:24 it has some xdmcp mention in --help although I can't find any 'listen' option Jan 30 10:43:35 jc_: xset s 0 0 Jan 30 10:43:44 lindi-, didn't help either, but thanks Jan 30 10:43:50 jc_: it works here with xglamo Jan 30 10:43:56 jc_: something else than X is blanking your screen Jan 30 10:44:01 I think hal/frameworkd is the culprit Jan 30 10:44:06 yeah Jan 30 10:44:08 jc_: frameworkd tries to interfere yes Jan 30 10:44:18 jc_: i disabled all that unnecessary stuff from frameworkd Jan 30 10:44:19 thanks :) Jan 30 10:56:58 yes ! finally got it working Jan 30 10:57:03 xdmcp works fine Jan 30 11:00:29 Ah well.. it works once, after first client disconnects, it throws *** glibc detected *** Xglamo: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x001539c8 *** Jan 30 11:00:29 Aborted Jan 30 11:11:45 FSOm5 today, right? Jan 30 11:26:48 man Jan 30 11:26:54 i did a make zimage Jan 30 11:27:17 then cp arch/arm/boot/zImage /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin Jan 30 11:27:22 doesn't boot :-( Jan 30 11:30:14 soul9: doesn't boot at all? Or the kernel booted but died for whatever reason? Are you sure your Qi is new enough? Jan 30 11:30:19 soul9: why do you name it uimage? Jan 30 11:30:59 PaulFertser_: well, qi vibrated as if kernel loading had failed.. Jan 30 11:31:11 lindi-: naming is correct Jan 30 11:31:29 PaulFertser_: i got my phone on 23rd of Jan., so it's gotta be new enough.. Jan 30 11:31:43 soul9: where did you get your qi from? Jan 30 11:31:53 (i mean i couldn't have flashed qi on there before... Jan 30 11:31:55 errr Jan 30 11:32:01 i tink from andy's page Jan 30 11:32:08 people.openmko.org/andy Jan 30 11:32:26 soul9: 18 Dec, zimage wasn't supported back then Jan 30 11:32:41 oh? Jan 30 11:32:46 so where should i get qi from? Jan 30 11:33:20 soul9: your buildhost? Or wanna grab mine? ;) Jan 30 11:33:30 heh Jan 30 11:33:35 my buildhost? :-( Jan 30 11:33:38 none yet Jan 30 11:33:51 soul9: i don't have either, but not much is needed to build Qi. Jan 30 11:34:02 PaulFertser_: sure, if it saves me from having to setup a crossenv right now Jan 30 11:35:05 soul9: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/qi-s3c2442-improve-ui_eeac1ba30557032e.udfu not exactly the latest, but it should be good enough. Jan 30 11:37:38 PaulFertser_: oh yeah, looks much better now Jan 30 11:37:42 rwhitby: Hey :) could you probably add Qi to your autobuilder or is it too much effort? Jan 30 11:37:48 and my kernel _works_!!!! :-) Jan 30 11:37:58 awesomness Jan 30 11:38:19 thanks again, PaulFertser_ Jan 30 11:38:28 soul9: you're welcome Jan 30 11:39:59 cedric: AYT? Jan 30 11:43:54 anyone using the FR with windows from time to time? Jan 30 11:44:07 shr unstable keeps making my windows crash Jan 30 11:44:13 i do at work Jan 30 11:44:17 does anybody know a fix for this? Jan 30 11:44:31 it has only happened once today Jan 30 11:44:35 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c12414955e9b44a3e33d54e578bf008caa4475d seems to be a fix, but i'm too noob to apply that myself Jan 30 11:44:54 dns53: with shr unstable? or something else? Jan 30 11:45:05 shr Jan 30 11:45:12 I have plugged into into my windows box at work. Vista64 business just sulked and said it could not find the drivers :) Jan 30 11:45:27 and do you still have networking capabilities? Jan 30 11:45:37 ∠yone know whether the stock 2.6.29 kernel can be used on the FR? Jan 30 11:45:44 shr-testing used to work just fine with win xp Jan 30 11:45:45 tig| the generic drivers do work Jan 30 11:45:46 s/∠/any Jan 30 11:45:58 soul9: it can't be used Jan 30 11:46:22 and where do the fso guys get their 2.6.28 kernel? Jan 30 11:46:22 dns53: not here it didn't but I was not suprised Jan 30 11:46:32 stable from moko tree is 2.6.24 Jan 30 11:46:42 (ext4 sucks in .24...) Jan 30 11:46:53 tig| look for the microsoft generic driver Jan 30 11:47:20 soul9: andy-tracking git branch at git.openmoko.org. It's 2.6.29 now, bt.w Jan 30 11:47:51 nice Jan 30 11:47:53 okay then Jan 30 11:48:04 PaulFertser_: you're my man again, thanks :-D Jan 30 11:48:33 soul9: don't try HEAD for now, it's somehow broken, sound probably doesn't work. Jan 30 11:48:44 dns53: I will if I get suicidely bored enough :) it is not something I desparately need working :) Jan 30 11:48:45 HEAD meaning origin/stable? Jan 30 11:49:19 PaulFertser_: you mean the HEAD of the andy-tracking branch? Jan 30 11:49:32 soul9: yes Jan 30 11:50:04 hmm Jan 30 11:50:23 so you have a tip of a pretty stable commitid? Jan 30 11:51:18 soul9: i run 30eb753226969bdf , seems to be stable. But screen rotation reported not to work in .28 (at least partially). Jan 30 11:51:45 hm...and .29 is not stable enough yet, eh Jan 30 11:51:49 well, i'll try it.. Jan 30 12:06:59 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * red743b76a658 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otimed: Add config options for time and zone sources. Jan 30 12:46:21 screen rotation breaks the screen in 80% of all cases for me in SHR-unstable Jan 30 12:50:53 hi all Jan 30 12:51:01 are there any toolchain experts in here? Jan 30 12:52:16 I have an issue with the default compiled-in paths for cpp in the binary toolchain shipped on the openmoko site Jan 30 12:54:41 apparently the system includes somehow don't include /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/c++/4.1.2/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ directory, which is needed for STL Jan 30 13:12:17 is there some who got wpa_supplicant with peap and pem certificate working? i got always authentication failure but user/pass are correct Jan 30 13:47:42 spaetz: A fix for the rotation issue should come soon. Jan 30 13:51:40 Arhuaco2: that would be great Jan 30 13:51:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r082c5c376211 10/ (gsm0710/gsm0710.c src/multiplexer.vala): Jan 30 13:51:52 freesmartphone.org: init session OK Jan 30 13:51:52 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Modified core to include \r\n on end of command Jan 30 13:52:02 Any bug ticket taht I can follow, Arhuaco2 ? Jan 30 13:53:19 spaetz: Not yet, but I know Balaji is making some progress... I think that if you build balaji-tracking the rotation should work. Would you like me to build balaji-tracking kernel for you so that you can try it? Jan 30 13:53:46 Arhuaco2: no thanks. i have no time currently, to try alternative kernels. But thanks Jan 30 13:53:51 I'll just wait. Jan 30 13:58:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5c40b0ae089d 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: fix traceback on bad GPS time; thanks beniwtv for spotting! Jan 30 14:24:04 hi, I'm developing a software for the neo that uses accelerometers but how is it possible to change the sensibility? I get only 18n output Jan 30 14:24:05 :( Jan 30 14:25:34 oo Jan 30 14:31:14 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r0540e0300d36 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (display/display.vala power/power.vala): Jan 30 14:31:14 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Remove GetMaximumBrightness Jan 30 14:31:14 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Fix signature of GetInfo to a{sv} Jan 30 14:46:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r6807d7ff1d60 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): we now require libgee-1.0 Jan 30 15:19:39 openmoko: 03werner * r4908 10/developers/werner/smallsys/kernel-config: Jan 30 15:19:39 openmoko: Update kernel-config for andy-tracking commit Jan 30 15:19:39 openmoko: cbbf3eb480c756be8acbe7368ccff81be1999559 Jan 30 15:51:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r5313e2ec7a7f 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): register SIGINT and define a handler to correctly shutdown Jan 30 16:04:30 aaaaaah, after 5 hours of building the kernel compilation exited with an error ;( Jan 30 16:05:27 five hours building just the kernel? :o Jan 30 16:06:34 soul9: make should be able to handle Jan 30 16:07:46 Does anyone know an rss feed widget? http://www.google.com/ig/adde?synd=open&source=ggyp&moduleurl=customrss.googlepages.com/customrss.xml Jan 30 16:07:51 like that one.. Jan 30 16:14:26 Weiss: yeah, building on the freerunner Jan 30 16:15:11 building kernel on freerunner? WHY? Jan 30 16:16:28 i don't have a cross-toolchain Jan 30 16:17:33 soul9: try this one: http://hiciu.rootnode.net/download/igelle/gcc-armv4t-unknown-linux-gnueabi_4.3.2_i386.deb Jan 30 16:19:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-gsm0710muxd * r3274f3a9a773 10/src/ (multiplexer.vala server.vala): closing and reopening the session works now Jan 30 16:20:23 yeah, i use gentoo on my laptop tho Jan 30 16:20:34 thank you tho, i'd love to try it! ;-) Jan 30 16:20:45 soul9: "ar x file.deb" Jan 30 16:21:03 and "tar xzf data.tar.gz" Jan 30 16:21:04 ah, good point Jan 30 16:21:20 and copy /usr/arm* to /usr, should work.. Jan 30 16:21:40 cool Jan 30 16:21:46 this is just gcc? Jan 30 16:21:57 that's all i need for compiling the kernel? Jan 30 16:22:03 binutils, etc.? Jan 30 16:26:18 that is: gcc 4.3.2, binutils 2.19, and glibc 2.8 Jan 30 16:27:04 (with kernel headers.. 2.6.20.1? I don't know, maybe) Jan 30 16:27:46 soul9: here is how I built it: http://www.igelle.net/archives/33 Jan 30 16:28:53 soul9, with gentoo you should just install crossdev Jan 30 16:29:06 and crossdev -t armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi Jan 30 16:29:20 crossdev -S armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi Jan 30 16:32:35 max_posedon: do you still need the toolchain then? Jan 30 16:33:47 hm... this commands compile toolchain. (I don't understand your question) Jan 30 16:39:39 ok, that answers my questen, if i additionally need some kind of toolchain Jan 30 17:06:23 /away Jan 30 17:07:41 damn :) Jan 30 18:59:03 Someone please tell me what changes do I need to make in the fso-gpsd to make tangogps see my gps again. Jan 30 19:04:37 max_posedon: nope...debian is armel, so i'm not sure that would work Jan 30 19:26:45 hm, well, at least I have zhone failing on a different error now Jan 30 20:10:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r700ab8250582 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: move checking for pyrtc below creating the logger. thanks beniwtv! Jan 30 20:48:22 hrm. any idea how to get "fourier" running? aoss doesn't quite cut it... Jan 30 20:49:36 Wonka: aoss? Jan 30 20:50:07 lindi-: aoss preloads a library that "converts" OSS style sound system accesses to ALSA Jan 30 20:50:22 lindi-: fourier tries to open /dev/dsp... Jan 30 20:50:48 Wonka: wouldn't it be better to use the kernel-side OSS emulation? Jan 30 20:51:01 lindi-: best would be to just use alsa Jan 30 20:52:39 hm. ok. "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" did make it run without error messages, but still no data displayed Jan 30 21:05:23 Hi all Jan 30 21:05:47 apologize for the disconect last night Jan 30 21:06:25 turned off computer last night on accident Jan 30 21:07:38 I have a question: if i want to write sofware for the freerunner, and i only know C++ can i still use it? Jan 30 21:08:47 waffles? Jan 30 21:09:05 Rampentpancake, maybe, but it might not be ideal :) Jan 30 21:09:15 But C and C++ are similar :P Jan 30 21:12:23 Rampentpancake, you can use any language, neo it is something like your generic PC. Jan 30 21:13:03 Good language for neo, is any language that has dbus bindings. Jan 30 21:13:28 define dbus please Jan 30 21:14:26 also, does the freerunner support 3g? Jan 30 21:14:55 Rampentpancake: lightweight ipc with bindings for many language available. Jan 30 21:14:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dbus Jan 30 21:15:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus Jan 30 21:15:12 Rampentpancake: only if you connect a USB 3G modem Jan 30 21:15:43 so the freerunner has no "on board" 3g support? Jan 30 21:16:01 Rampentpancake: yes Jan 30 21:17:39 also, this may sound stupid, but if the freerunner is an "open phone" don't you still need to bind it to a cellphone carrier? Jan 30 21:17:56 Rampentpancake: you do. Insert SIM Jan 30 21:18:06 thereby limiting what you can do with it? Jan 30 21:18:18 Rampentpancake: It's not locked to any carrier. Jan 30 21:18:22 oh Jan 30 21:18:40 right stupid question, sorry Jan 30 21:19:03 Nah, it's a perfectly good question. Jan 30 21:19:47 one last quick question Jan 30 21:19:52 A stupid question would be "If the Freerunner is an open phone, how come it's closed when I get it? I wanted to assemble it myself!" :P Jan 30 21:20:01 ha ha ha Jan 30 21:20:01 :))) Jan 30 21:20:51 Rampentpancake: So what else do you need to know? :) Jan 30 21:21:06 can i use the freerunner as a "open" palmtop computer of sorts, or do it still have to bind it to a carrier to use all of its features? Jan 30 21:21:21 It will work as a PDA, yes. Jan 30 21:21:26 except stuff like sms Jan 30 21:21:28 But software is still alpha/beta. Jan 30 21:21:32 oh cool Jan 30 21:21:43 I had it for about a month and played with it before ever putting a SIM in it. Jan 30 21:21:44 * [Rui] waves Jan 30 21:21:46 Heh, seems like every time I start zhone on Debian I get a different error Jan 30 21:21:49 * Digital_Pioneer waves back. Jan 30 21:21:50 File "edje.c_edje_object.pxi", line 411, in edje.c_edje.Edje.part_text_set (edje/edje.c_edje.c:10947) Jan 30 21:21:51 UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u21e9' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Jan 30 21:22:20 * [Rui] is forking omnewrotate into a dbus program which will send x,y,z to dbus and convert omnewrotate to use it. Jan 30 21:22:58 * Digital_Pioneer had rotate scripts for a while, but finally ditched them because he never needs to rotate the phone. Jan 30 21:23:00 <[Rui]> this way, accelerometer apps will be able to play well with others Jan 30 21:24:55 * Digital_Pioneer is still waiting for a mouse program for FR. Jan 30 21:26:15 how about acctualy using the thing as a phone, does it work well? Jan 30 21:26:31 Rampentpancake: It works. :P I won't say it works WELL, but it works. Jan 30 21:26:42 Well. It depends what do you mean "as a phone". Jan 30 21:26:52 It can answer your calls and you can make calls. Jan 30 21:27:06 Though volume is freakishly low. Jan 30 21:27:07 It's getting reliable. Jan 30 21:27:25 i mean, it can recive phone calls (and make them) a well as sms Jan 30 21:27:33 <[Rui]> Rampentpancake: it depends on what you call "using as a phone" Jan 30 21:27:44 <[Rui]> Rampentpancake: I use it as my primary phone, currently, with Om2008.12 Jan 30 21:27:52 Cursed, cursed, cursed ophonekitd died again.... Jan 30 21:27:59 <[Rui]> it has some glitches, but it works Jan 30 21:30:29 How do you start stupid ophonekitd after it crashes, short of rebooting? Jan 30 21:33:27 I have to say, I love the FR, but some things are just too irritating. Jan 30 21:33:39 like? Jan 30 21:33:49 Rebooting because ophonekitd crashed... WHY?! Jan 30 21:34:20 I should be able to just run it again, but nooooooo. It either kills itself or won't register GSM or some such other nonsense. Jan 30 21:34:28 hmm Jan 30 21:35:37 Ohh, that's rich... :P Mid-shutdown... Give root password for system maintenance, or type Control-D for normal startup. Jan 30 21:35:58 Actually, that must be the startup after the shutdown in the reboot. Jan 30 21:38:47 anyone know how i cn make linux install it's modules into a prefix? or make a modules tarball or something? Jan 30 21:42:23 <[Rui]> Rampentpancake: sometimes it doesn't recover from suspend Jan 30 21:42:27 soul9, what do you mean with 'install'? Jan 30 21:42:45 soul9: yes, i know Jan 30 21:42:47 <[Rui]> Rampentpancake: for some reason I have my contact list in a weirdly sorted form, I can't search in the contact list Jan 30 21:42:55 <[Rui]> and these are my main gripes currently Jan 30 21:43:00 haha Jan 30 21:43:06 PaulFertser: heh Jan 30 21:43:11 --module-prefix= Jan 30 21:43:18 can't it do a tarball tho? Jan 30 21:43:41 found it on gentoo documentation, 4th page of google :-( Jan 30 21:43:46 Rui:can't you write a script that changes the sorting style? Jan 30 21:44:09 soul9: make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/dir Jan 30 21:44:19 ok Jan 30 21:44:20 soul9: don't be so lazy ;) Jan 30 21:44:25 ;-) Jan 30 21:44:32 soul9: are you building from andy-tracking? Jan 30 21:44:35 yah, this'll have to do Jan 30 21:44:38 yep Jan 30 21:44:54 soul9: then there's a "build" script with all the convenience features for you. Jan 30 21:45:03 first try at cross-compiling Jan 30 21:45:06 hehe Jan 30 21:45:28 reaheaheahealy? Jan 30 21:45:49 soul9: seriously, it prepares a tarball, a uImage, everything you need. Jan 30 21:46:24 hm, and i can set the cross-compiling parameters to it the same way? Jan 30 21:46:30 soul9: mkdir GTA02; cp arch/arm/configs/GTA02_moredrivers_defconfig GTA02/.config; ./build GTA02 a (the 3rd one is dummy parameter to build modules) Jan 30 21:46:34 ok, lemme see this Jan 30 21:46:45 soul9: edit the build script, and set cross-compiling prefix there Jan 30 21:46:54 ok Jan 30 21:46:54 <[Rui]> Rampentpancake: I don't understand it yet, and I haven't really cared that much about it, as qtopia will be gone in some time Jan 30 21:46:59 lemme see that script Jan 30 21:47:04 kudos++ PaulFertser Jan 30 21:47:30 soul9: you should have written PaulFertser++ to improve my karma ;) Jan 30 21:47:35 ~karma PaulFertser Jan 30 21:47:36 paulfertser has neutral karma Jan 30 21:49:52 PaulFertser++ heh Jan 30 21:50:04 nice Jan 30 21:50:07 ~karma PaulFertser Jan 30 21:50:08 paulfertser has neutral karma Jan 30 21:50:15 'duh Jan 30 21:50:23 soul9: nothing changed, but thanks anyway ;) Happy compiling ;) Jan 30 21:51:12 * soul9 compiling away Jan 30 21:51:29 * mwester doesn't believe in karma. Jan 30 21:51:47 * soul9 doesn't believe in not believing Jan 30 21:52:59 * mwester thinks that if karma really mattered, then maybe the world would be a nicer place. :( Jan 30 21:53:17 mwester: i think karma is an interesting concept. I sometimes think that driving my car is doing bad for my karma, but DIY-repairing it compensates it. And so on :) Jan 30 21:54:22 It is an interesting concept. But it seems much to naive, especially when you look at politicians and lawyers. Jan 30 21:54:34 s/to/too/ Jan 30 21:54:34 mwester meant: It is an interesting concept. But it seems much too naive, especially when you look at politicians and lawyers. Jan 30 21:55:27 i have a problem, mabye you guys can help Jan 30 21:55:33 Do you think they're happy? Or that they'll manage to exit the sansara circle? ;) Jan 30 21:55:58 Rampentpancake: if your alternator is dead, PaulFertser can probably help! ;) :P Jan 30 21:56:19 (and increase his karma with automobiles at the same time!) :D Jan 30 21:56:48 i'm trying to get ubuntu to recognize an ext2 filesystem image so that i can mount it, but i keep on getting a "not found in ect/fstab" error Jan 30 21:57:08 mount it to temp dir. Jan 30 21:57:09 PaulFertser: What bothers me most are that they do *indeed* seem to be happy being who they are. Jan 30 21:57:35 Rampentpancake: try doing it as root Jan 30 21:57:47 PaulFertser: well, i'm happy to inform you the build script don't work Jan 30 21:57:51 mwester: I don't buy it. They know how to lie to anybody, including themselves. Jan 30 21:57:55 that's what i'm doing Jan 30 21:57:55 but i can rip what i need out of it Jan 30 21:58:06 PaulFertser: you might be right about that. Jan 30 21:58:10 * soul9 puts on his ripping hat Jan 30 21:58:12 I changed an alternator in my car once. Jan 30 21:58:37 soul9: don't, it works for everybody. If it doesn't work for you, you're doing something wrong :) Jan 30 21:58:38 ;) I changed the diodes in my alternator once -- not enough money for a new alternator Jan 30 21:58:40 mwester: i tried that both as root, and using the "Sudo" command Jan 30 21:59:00 Rampentpancake: then you'll probably have to pastebin your session, so someone can see what you are typing wrong. Jan 30 21:59:11 hmm Jan 30 21:59:12 mwester: My alternator was foo-bar'ed, I tried to disassemble it at home, but broke the hammer trying ;) Jan 30 21:59:47 PaulFertser: hehe, maybe, there is a syntax error in the script, but i might knw why it is... Jan 30 22:00:00 * PaulFertser thinks how funky that sounds: an alternator with diodes integrated :) Jan 30 22:00:29 mwester: in case this has anything to do with it, i'm trying to use a loopback device Jan 30 22:01:37 PaulFertser: why funky? Low-cost... it also had the regulator module bolted into the alternator case. Jan 30 22:01:45 Rampentpancake: pastebin the session, it must be obvious. Jan 30 22:02:20 * mwester suspects that let them use the alternator case and fan as a heatsink for the diodes and regulator... Jan 30 22:02:21 mwester: It's just that wording in funny. Alternator (by the sound of it) should produce AC.