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Feb 13 13:41:07 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4da280eb3753 10/ (setup.py tools/dump-netlink): tools: add dump-netlink
Feb 13 14:52:50 <toggles_w> sweet, i finally got gprs!!
Feb 13 14:52:58 <toggles_w> any recomendations on a mail client?
Feb 13 14:54:23 <niv> *G*
Feb 13 14:54:27 <niv> evolution? *duck+
Feb 13 14:54:36 <toggles_w> ~_~
Feb 13 14:54:37 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Feb 13 14:54:46 <niv> or more seriously alpine?
Feb 13 14:55:26 <niv> alpine with mouse-in-console-support works on my freerunner
Feb 13 14:55:50 <toggles_w> niv: thanks, will look
Feb 13 14:58:17 <niv> well its the successor of pine.. so if you don't like pine you most certainly won't like alpine
Feb 13 15:01:43 <henk> toggles_w: claws-mail
Feb 13 15:03:59 <toggles_w> henk: thanks, thats a hell of a client ;-)
Feb 13 15:06:07 <henk> toggles_w: what do you mean?
Feb 13 15:06:51 <toggles_w> henk: looks heavy weight, lots of config etc
Feb 13 15:09:39 <herby> hi - please...how can I enter the pin of my gsm simcard with the standard software? there are only characters to choose... no numbers. and there is no menuentry in the settings menu..?
Feb 13 15:11:44 <niv> herby: zhone lets me enter my pin flawlessly
Feb 13 15:12:00 <herby> niv: how?
Feb 13 15:12:16 <niv> well there is a sim auth dialog with a num-pad
Feb 13 15:12:32 <herby> niv: there's a dialog with a keyboard on the screen... but there are only characters on my freerunner...
Feb 13 15:12:50 <niv> well on my freerunner there are numbers.
Feb 13 15:12:53 <niv> only numbers.
Feb 13 15:12:57 <niv> *shrug*
Feb 13 15:13:16 <herby> strange... just ordered it at a german distributor... should be up to date..
Feb 13 15:13:37 <niv> my freerunner is about 3 weeks old
Feb 13 15:13:38 <niv> :)
Feb 13 15:13:55 <herby> anyone got any suggestions?
Feb 13 15:13:56 <niv> and i use debian
Feb 13 15:14:02 <niv> mh... software-update?
Feb 13 15:14:09 <herby> on your freerunner? (debian)
Feb 13 15:14:22 <herby> or on your computer..?
Feb 13 15:14:23 <niv> herby: yes... with a 8 gb microsd
Feb 13 15:14:28 <herby> cool.
Feb 13 15:14:29 <niv> on my freerunner.
Feb 13 15:14:46 <herby> is there a tutorial for debian?
Feb 13 15:14:51 <niv> yes, there is.
Feb 13 15:14:58 <herby> (to get some hints)
Feb 13 15:15:00 <herby> cool
Feb 13 15:15:12 <herby> let me guess... i will find that at the wiki? ;)
Feb 13 15:15:14 <niv> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
Feb 13 15:15:18 <herby> perfect.
Feb 13 15:15:21 <henk> toggles_w: afaict it is rather configurable, but not really big or something. when i installed it, apt had to get 3M of packages. compare that to evolution or modest. (apropos 'tinymail': haha)
Feb 13 15:15:22 <herby> thanks a lot.
Feb 13 15:15:22 <niv> there is a link to the debian-wiki
Feb 13 15:15:37 <niv> i currently have lxde running there.
Feb 13 15:15:44 <niv> but i plan to run awesome there.
Feb 13 15:15:46 <henk> <- fvwm
Feb 13 15:16:54 <niv> just take something with window decoration... to get rid of fullscreen windows which aparrently are not closable
Feb 13 15:16:55 <herby>  would be so great if i just could activate my simcard with the standardOS...
Feb 13 15:17:10 <niv> well, even with standard OS i had no problem.
Feb 13 15:17:16 <tig|>  herby :  have you read the topic on here :)
Feb 13 15:17:27 <toggles_w> henk: thanks
Feb 13 15:17:38 <herby> but... so i have to do that later.. (guess i will hang around in this chat in the future..)
Feb 13 15:17:40 <niv> the sim auth dialog on om 2008.8 is also with a numpad
Feb 13 15:17:41 <tig|> herby: Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard
Feb 13 15:17:52 <herby> tig|: thanks
Feb 13 15:18:52 <herby> tig|: i read the topic... but only the beginning :) my window was too small to read it completely... another thing i just learned... read the topic before asking questions.
Feb 13 15:19:06 <tig|> heh :)
Feb 13 17:51:27 <kd8ikt>  /topic
Feb 13 17:51:33 <kd8ikt> ?
Feb 13 18:06:32 <Gromgull> Hi all
Feb 13 18:06:48 <Gromgull> why does FSO M5 or FSO unstable just dump me at the angstrom prompt with no X and no usb networking? :( 
Feb 13 18:07:24 <max_posedon> Gromgull, becouse you donwloaded console version?
Feb 13 18:07:29 <Gromgull> nope
Feb 13 18:07:38 <Gromgull> and even then I should have usb networking, or? 
Feb 13 18:08:07 <max_posedon> yes. you should)
Feb 13 18:08:20 <Gromgull> this: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/om-gta02/
Feb 13 18:08:31 <Gromgull> has three options, console-image, illume-image and just image
Feb 13 18:08:43 <Gromgull> what is the just image one?
Feb 13 18:08:54 <Gromgull> it's bigger than the illume
Feb 13 18:09:41 <Gromgull> and for the unstable images there are no options, they are all the same size
Feb 13 18:22:06 <Gromgull> fixed it by chosing boot from the qi menu... rather than just letting it boot
Feb 13 18:22:08 <Gromgull> weird
Feb 13 18:25:24 <PaulFert1er> Gromgull: qi menu?
Feb 13 18:25:52 <Gromgull> qi the bootloader
Feb 13 18:25:55 <Gromgull> or hang on
Feb 13 18:25:56 <Gromgull> no no
Feb 13 18:25:59 <Gromgull> I am crazy of course
Feb 13 18:26:08 <Gromgull> the NAND NOR whatever it's called menu :) 
Feb 13 18:30:37 <PaulFert1er> Gromgull: NAND and NOR are mutually exclusive
Feb 13 18:31:20 <Gromgull> :)
Feb 13 19:11:59 <WhiteCat> hello evrybody
Feb 13 19:19:17 <WhiteCat> hey i have got some info about GTA02A7
Feb 13 19:19:51 <PaulFertser> WhiteCat: are you going to share? ;)
Feb 13 19:20:02 <WhiteCat> its shipping is going to get started by the end of this Feb
Feb 13 19:20:24 <WhiteCat> today i talked to one of the Reseller
Feb 13 19:20:30 <WhiteCat> he told me this
Feb 13 19:21:20 <WhiteCat> in GTA02A7 ..they have completely removed the GSM buzz problem
Feb 13 19:22:09 <WhiteCat> does anybody have any more info about GTA02A7 features
Feb 13 19:23:02 <WhiteCat> heloooo...anybody out there
Feb 13 19:24:35 <sandsmark> what host should I use when configuring?
Feb 13 19:24:51 <PaulFertser> WhiteCat: i guess they are tired of endless useless discussions about gta revisions ;)
Feb 13 19:25:22 <WhiteCat> so wht thety want to discuss
Feb 13 19:27:29 <WhiteCat> everybody sleeping
Feb 13 19:58:59 <WhiteCat> ::::))))))
Feb 13 20:05:52 <docscrutinizer2> PaulFertser: you can't immagine HOW tired
Feb 13 20:08:25 <PaulFertser> docscrutinizer2: i think i can't, true :( but i sympathize.
Feb 13 20:09:20 <docscrutinizer2> should have seen the madness I see day by day
Feb 13 20:09:27 <docscrutinizer2> ;)
Feb 13 20:11:14 <PaulFertser> Nah, people are doing thing all the time everywhere in every respect. It's just many are to accustomed to that and they don't see how absurd is life and what they do
Feb 13 20:11:39 <docscrutinizer2> kike "we can't do at fab what customers are happily willing to *learn*"
Feb 13 20:12:38 <docscrutinizer2> maybe we should ship kits
Feb 13 20:16:07 <PaulFertser> Twisted mass-production-centric POI, that's it, i guess. 
Feb 13 20:16:07 <PaulFertser> But proper mass-production involves making something that will reasonably work every time, it should be reproducible and reliable. Probably they don't have the expertise to deliver it.
Feb 13 20:16:50 <PaulFertser> (kits) was great in old times, when everyone could by a kit and solder a pc for himself. Unique construction, unique bugs, unique experience. :) the time has changed, everyone wants portable sophisticated equipment, intepreted languages, stuff like that... They see how "fancy" commercial equipment is, of course they want to have the same... And i want too (sometimes).
Feb 13 20:19:11 <PaulFertser> OTOH hobby-ist electronics became more simple and more opportunities are open for anyone to easily use complex ICs that can deliver features and power consumption nobody could dream of 20 years before. One just needs to know how to etch PCBs and solder QFN ;)
Feb 13 20:19:41 <docscrutinizer2> yup
Feb 13 20:26:14 <PaulFertser> I've noticed that the life is absurd in general some time ago, i no longer wonder why people are doing senseless moves, make pointless decisions and so on... It just depresses me when people feel bad because of that stupidity :-/
Feb 13 20:33:46 <PaulFertser> docscrutinizer2: can listening to Bob Marley cheer you up a bit? Or are you a Zappa-only fan? ;)
Feb 13 20:34:29 <docscrutinizer2> well sometimes (always?) this stupidity makes my dedication to delivering a decnt piese of hw to community a pita
Feb 13 20:34:31 <mwester> Led Zeppilin
Feb 13 20:35:05 <docscrutinizer2> sisters of mercy :-)
Feb 13 20:35:11 * mwester shudders
Feb 13 20:35:42 <docscrutinizer2> cure (early ones)
Feb 13 20:35:46 <docscrutinizer2> cobain
Feb 13 20:35:51 <PaulFertser> mwester: I don't know but i've been told, a big-legged woman ain't got no soul
Feb 13 20:36:53 <docscrutinizer2> and of course: zappa and king crimson
Feb 13 20:37:16 <docscrutinizer2> kraftwerk
Feb 13 20:38:16 <PaulFertser> mwester: they're sexist, aren't you ashamed ;)
Feb 13 20:38:26 <docscrutinizer2> but yeah, an occasional ledzep is very inspiring too
Feb 13 20:38:53 <PaulFertser> mwester: "Most people people talking, few of them know: soul of the woman was created below"
Feb 13 20:39:27 <docscrutinizer2> B52s
Feb 13 20:40:58 <PaulFertser> I love LZ, once i walked around in my university and asked everybody: "how can you not love Led Zeppelin?" Most of them just answered: "What's that?". Heh. Led Zeppelin :)
Feb 13 20:41:20 <docscrutinizer2> new order, joy division, killing yole
Feb 13 20:41:31 <docscrutinizer2> err joke
Feb 13 20:41:51 <PaulFertser> docscrutinizer2: I listen to Nirvana when i feel bad. Can't say that helps though :) 
Feb 13 20:42:08 <docscrutinizer2> lol, surely true
Feb 13 20:46:10 <docscrutinizer2> ideal natuerlich
Feb 13 20:47:06 <PaulFertser> Oh, and i like Dire Straits a lot. From the first album to the last, so many wonderful songs. And i listened to some Jethro Tull of course; his flute on the concerts was not that great, but the songs are terrific.
Feb 13 20:47:44 <docscrutinizer2> yup
Feb 13 20:49:44 <docscrutinizer2> so you also might like "gentle giant"
Feb 13 20:51:19 <PaulFertser> docscrutinizer2: i don't think i've heard about it before, thanks for the recommendation :)
Feb 13 20:51:57 <docscrutinizer2> too ancient prolly. 60s i guess
Feb 13 20:52:28 <docscrutinizer2> loved them a lot in 74
Feb 13 20:53:13 <docscrutinizer2> ah floyd of course, btw. my first record
Feb 13 20:53:39 <docscrutinizer2> meddle
Feb 13 20:55:05 <docscrutinizer2> phillips tape to be precise ;)
Feb 13 20:55:41 <docscrutinizer2> aka musicassette
Feb 13 20:56:11 <docscrutinizer2> not very common any more today - lol
Feb 13 20:56:33 <PaulFertser> Most music i love was written long before i was born. I think 60s and 70s were the golden age of music, no wonder so many people still love it.
Feb 13 20:57:11 <docscrutinizer2> I grew up this time :D
Feb 13 20:57:14 <thomasg> the best part is, that the best genre from this time is still alive :)
Feb 13 20:57:23 <thomasg> prog rock ftw.
Feb 13 20:58:43 <PaulFertser> BTW, i've recently tried to listen to the Velvet Underground, the album produced by Andy Warholl. I've listened to the whole album like 10 times, then understood that the most favourite my songs from it are about BDSM and heroin. I decided that it can hurt me and erased it from the player ;)
Feb 13 20:58:54 <docscrutinizer2> ledzep had a topten every other week back when
Feb 13 20:59:14 <docscrutinizer2> i seem to remember
Feb 13 20:59:50 <PaulFertser> Was the life better back then, doc?
Feb 13 21:00:34 <docscrutinizer2> velvet - lol. did i mention its one of my most beloved bands ever?
Feb 13 21:01:09 <docscrutinizer2> (better?) different
Feb 13 21:01:43 <PaulFertser> Velvet are mad (in a good sense). Wish i could have seen them live. :)
Feb 13 21:01:57 <docscrutinizer2> missed to pattent PDA when I "invented" it in 73
Feb 13 21:02:11 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * raf530a040b84 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Fix FSO bug #218 (@ instead of padding)
Feb 13 21:02:43 * SpeedEvil gets depressed when he finds patents on things he's thought of.
Feb 13 21:03:27 <SpeedEvil> (Rocket pistonless fuel pump, GPS signal analysis for ionospheric spread, and recently using micro address lines as extra data lines)
Feb 13 21:05:03 <docscrutinizer2> duh, #3 sounds intriguing. can u elaborate?
Feb 13 21:05:58 <SpeedEvil> Basically connecting stuff to address lines, not data lines. set address line, strobe CS, unset CS
Feb 13 21:06:05 <SpeedEvil> lines
Feb 13 21:06:55 <SpeedEvil> I used it on a Z80 design (that was only on paper) to reduce latches.
Feb 13 21:07:08 <agg1n> i've flashed the new gsm firmware (moko11) and now ophonekitd crashes with "Unknown SIM error:.." :(  what shall i do now? reflash an older firmware? :/
Feb 13 21:08:20 <docscrutinizer2> SpeedEvil: just was about to say "don't i remember that from 1982 Z80 times?"
Feb 13 21:09:01 <agg1n> http://pastebin.com/m4c8cd1ca
Feb 13 21:09:27 <SpeedEvil> docscrutinizer2: this was an _extremely_ cheap design for a video terminal, using the dead times in the Z80 cycle to read out a bank of RAM, to a 2 bit A/D to make a composite signal.
Feb 13 21:09:49 <docscrutinizer2> wow
Feb 13 21:10:44 <SpeedEvil> 128K*2 pixel framebuffer.
Feb 13 21:10:48 <docscrutinizer2> agg1n: make sure your fw is flashed correctly, by following the recommended steps from wiki
Feb 13 21:13:13 <docscrutinizer2> the log as well as differences moko8->11 don't suggest this is a problem caused by a regression in fw
Feb 13 21:13:21 <agg1n> docscrutinizer2: i did everything exactly like it was described in wiki :/
Feb 13 21:13:54 <agg1n> with hackable1 it worked, i received an sms with it :/
Feb 13 21:14:10 <docscrutinizer2> did you get a decent reply when inquiring new fw version from modem?
Feb 13 21:14:19 <agg1n> but with a freshly flashed shr-unstable i get that error
Feb 13 21:14:55 <agg1n> docscrutinizer2: yes, it was like it is described in wiki
Feb 13 21:15:35 <docscrutinizer2> well there should be small difference: it should report moko11-b1
Feb 13 21:15:55 <agg1n> yes, sure
Feb 13 21:16:22 <docscrutinizer2> so its most likely an issue not related to fw update
Feb 13 21:17:38 <docscrutinizer2> though it *could* be a regression as well, *if* Dieter messed it up ;)
Feb 13 21:17:55 <docscrutinizer2> anyway I doubt that.
Feb 13 21:18:49 <docscrutinizer2> you might flash moko10 and check again. then go to 11 and back again to 10. please report
Feb 13 21:18:58 <agg1n> ok
Feb 13 21:20:12 <zogg_> evening openmoko
Feb 13 21:20:45 <PaulFert1er> agg1n: if you removed the sim during flashing, you might have bad electrical connection because of additional grease or smth.
Feb 13 21:22:04 <agg1n> PaulFert1er: didnt remove the sim :/
Feb 13 21:23:24 <slaxxin>  additional grease or smth.
Feb 13 21:23:27 <slaxxin> ?
Feb 13 21:24:15 <docscrutinizer2> dirt on sim contacts
Feb 13 21:24:39 <slaxxin> dont be greaseing your sim like that
Feb 13 21:24:42 <PaulFert1er> slaxxin: if you take out the sim, you can by mistake apply some dirt to sim contacts or pins.
Feb 13 21:24:50 <slaxxin> ok
Feb 13 21:25:25 <docscrutinizer2> aka fingerprint stains
Feb 13 21:25:50 <slaxxin> corossive finger grease
Feb 13 21:26:21 * mwester did not have good results when he used duct tape to secure his SIM into the holder. :(
Feb 13 21:26:31 <slaxxin> yuk
Feb 13 21:26:46 <mwester> It's a Real Man's tool.
Feb 13 21:27:22 <mwester> "If it moves, but isn't supposed to: use duct tape.  If it doesn't move, but it's supposed to: use WD-40."   That's all you need to know in order to fix anything.
Feb 13 21:27:46 <PaulFert1er> You jumped in front of my car, though you know it very well: ninety miles an hour girl is the speed i drive
Feb 13 21:28:43 <slaxxin> duck tape suck
Feb 13 21:28:48 <PaulFert1er> mwester: and a big monkey wrench ;)
Feb 13 21:29:48 <mwester> Yep.  If it won't turn, then hit it.   That's what we call "American engineering", and is why we build the best automobiles in the world. 
Feb 13 21:30:13 <slaxxin> p[fft
Feb 13 21:30:26 <docscrutinizer2> XD
Feb 13 21:30:53 <slaxxin> they break too much
Feb 13 21:31:07 <mwester> I wish that was their only problem.
Feb 13 21:31:18 <slaxxin> made to break
Feb 13 21:31:33 <toggles_w> thats lucky, they were out of lettersanyone have any idea how many gat01 and 02's have been sold?
Feb 13 21:31:43 <SpeedEvil> 7
Feb 13 21:31:43 <slaxxin> ya gotta buy two of them
Feb 13 21:31:45 <mwester> 34
Feb 13 21:32:13 <docscrutinizer2> sqrt 576
Feb 13 21:33:25 <docscrutinizer2> two GTA02: A5, A6
Feb 13 21:33:56 <slaxxin> somebody needs to step up to the plate an build a truck that bont break
Feb 13 21:34:04 <slaxxin> d
Feb 13 21:34:52 <slaxxin> then we would not be under the spell of the automakers
Feb 13 21:37:08 <PaulFert1er> mwester: btw, are american automatic transmission systems less robust than manual ones? I just can't understand why americans love AT so much...
Feb 13 21:37:37 <mwester> American standard transmissions are **AWFUL**   that's the problem.
Feb 13 21:37:46 <eolson> Paul, we're just lazy, no one wants to shift
Feb 13 21:37:54 <eolson> it's to hard to get to mcdonald's that way
Feb 13 21:38:12 <mwester> (automatic transmissions are actually much improved, and work very nicely by now)
Feb 13 21:43:10 <PaulFert1er> Good you don't use automatic transmission on bikes yet ;)
Feb 13 21:43:55 <mwester> Shimano created one.
Feb 13 21:45:26 <PaulFert1er> BTW, that very common system with planetar bicycle shifting system amazes me much. How can it be better than the usual one?
Feb 13 21:46:46 <PaulFert1er> mwester: for bicycles? I should take a look :) What about motorbikes?
Feb 13 21:47:42 <PaulFert1er> mwester: that's ironic that despite americans like automatic transmission so much it was created by Shimano, not SRAM :)
Feb 13 21:47:56 <docscrutinizer2> will kill you onmotorbike
Feb 13 21:48:46 <PaulFert1er> docscrutinizer2: why? scooters use variator (or how that called) that's basically equivalent to AT, i guess.
Feb 13 21:49:42 <PaulFert1er> (though less perfomant of course)
Feb 13 21:50:01 <docscrutinizer2> inadverted shifting in a curve may be sth you absolutely don't want to have to cope with
Feb 13 21:50:55 <PaulFert1er> But why is it ok for a car? I can't say i have much experience in riding motorbike (though i have a license).
Feb 13 21:51:13 <docscrutinizer2> scooter "varistors" work without shifting
Feb 13 21:51:46 <PaulFert1er> Yeah, i know, they do it smooth, no sudden jumps.
Feb 13 21:52:54 <docscrutinizer2> done by "kegelraeder" dunno the engl word
Feb 13 21:53:17 <docscrutinizer2> and a belt
Feb 13 21:54:30 <docscrutinizer2> you close  the gap between the two wheel hlves and the belt runs on more outer radius
Feb 13 21:54:51 <PaulFert1er> I know that, haven't disassembled myself, but read/heard a lot.
Feb 13 21:55:57 <docscrutinizer2> audi (afaik) tried to implement this for cars, but usually this concept is too weak for high horsepower
Feb 13 21:56:27 <docscrutinizer2> in the 50s the was a DKW using this concept
Feb 13 21:57:16 <docscrutinizer2> had a forward/reverse shift and was as fast in "R" as when driving normal
Feb 13 22:01:42 <PaulFert1er> Steam driven car? In the 50s? Sounds weird :)
Feb 13 22:03:54 <docscrutinizer2> talk goes it needed 5 spare belts for a trip to italy :D
Feb 13 22:05:14 <PaulFert1er> :)))
Feb 13 22:08:07 <docscrutinizer2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKW_3%3D6
Feb 13 22:12:22 <docscrutinizer2> though this particular one seems to have a manual shift
Feb 13 22:13:57 <PaulFert1er> docscrutinizer2: Saxomat with centrifugal clutch is mentioned in the Technical section
Feb 13 22:14:10 <docscrutinizer2> yeah
Feb 13 22:14:22 <docscrutinizer2> maybe thats it
Feb 13 22:15:13 <PaulFert1er> Nope, that's just tricky way for those who are too lazy to use the clutch, it seems.
Feb 13 22:17:06 <PaulFert1er> Variomatic is the thing, it seems.
Feb 13 22:18:23 <docscrutinizer2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variomatic
Feb 13 22:18:38 <docscrutinizer2> yup
Feb 13 22:19:01 <docscrutinizer2> maybe i even confused DKW and DAF
Feb 13 22:23:39 <docscrutinizer2> well I was 8years when a friends parents took me home with that funny car and I drove the dad nuts by asking him all about that funny gear
Feb 13 22:28:30 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r23155990bff8 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
Feb 13 22:28:30 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix type of org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.Capacity()
Feb 13 22:28:30 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: thanks Playya.
Feb 13 22:30:25 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rceef20a8780e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: 
Feb 13 22:30:25 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix binary SMS with null bytes
Feb 13 22:30:25 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: Since binary SMS are very likely to contain null bytes we use a
Feb 13 22:30:25 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: bytearray in the properties to convey the data. This still doesn't fix
Feb 13 22:30:28 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: the problem if we receive UCS2 messages which include null bytes (which
Feb 13 22:30:30 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: is possible, but less likely). Fixes FSO #345.
Feb 13 22:34:36 <badcloud> hey allz
Feb 13 22:45:16 <fredrin> is it cool to change from Qi to U-boot again? 
Feb 13 22:45:27 <badcloud> I did it, worked fine
Feb 13 22:45:37 <badcloud> did qi boot for you?
Feb 13 22:46:08 <fredrin> yes, but I got some problems with the screen when I resume from suspend 
Feb 13 22:46:33 <badcloud> I see
Feb 13 22:46:42 <badcloud> well, switching back is fine
Feb 13 22:46:49 <fredrin> I'm not sure if it was the Kustomizer script, Qi or the latest 2.6.28 kernel i compiled
Feb 13 22:47:31 <fredrin> I'm back to using my second Freerunner after the first one got stolen. Now I use A5 instead of A7 
Feb 13 22:47:44 <badcloud> your FR got stolen??
Feb 13 22:47:48 <fredrin> yes
Feb 13 22:47:54 <badcloud> an iPhone I can understand, but a FR???
Feb 13 22:48:25 <fredrin> I was just stupid, some guy at the street of Montevideo asked to borrow my phone to call his mom after I showed him the phone.... 
Feb 13 22:48:27 <badcloud> if he's not a hacker, a dev, or a hardcore linux fan, I'm sure he chucked it after 5 minutes
Feb 13 22:48:28 <fredrin> i said yes and he ran
Feb 13 22:48:39 <fredrin> just a stupid drughead
Feb 13 22:48:46 <fredrin> sell it for nothing 
Feb 13 22:49:27 <badcloud> the user community is so small, you'll probably run into it again ;)
Feb 13 22:49:39 <fredrin> but I had to FR, so it's not the end of the world.... but it's a A5 version 
Feb 13 22:49:59 <rhkfin> fredrin: what kind of problems?
Feb 13 22:49:59 <fredrin> badcloud: I know, i follow the actionsites in Montevideo Uruguay :) 
Feb 13 22:50:29 <fredrin> rhkfin: I think I maybe bitten by the White Screen Of Death problem 
Feb 13 22:50:50 <rhkfin> Kustomizer shouldn't actually change anything that has anything to do with suspend or screen except install tools to rotate it -> I'd guess it's the kernel..
Feb 13 22:51:03 <badcloud> that sounds about right
Feb 13 22:51:41 <fredrin> rhkfin: I thought so too 
Feb 13 22:53:00 <rhkfin> fredrin: But it's nice to hear people are using it :) I'm working on the next release (0.3), the audio will work there (speech-dispatcher kills /dev/dsp in 0.2)
Feb 13 22:53:45 <fredrin> rhkfin: I liked it, but 
Feb 13 22:54:07 <rhkfin> but?
Feb 13 22:56:03 <fredrin> i don't have controll of all the things it installes
Feb 13 22:56:14 <badcloud> is there a PIM for SHR?
Feb 13 22:56:20 <fredrin> it's nice with the fixes and tweaks, but I dont need all the programs 
Feb 13 22:56:23 <fredrin> maybe just some 
Feb 13 22:56:42 <rhkfin> fredrin: you can run it only once to install the most important things and after that run the rest.
Feb 13 22:57:01 <fredrin> ok, now the screen was nice after suspend....
Feb 13 22:57:06 <rhkfin> I wanted it to be as-little-interactive-as possibl. You can change it after downloading 
Feb 13 22:57:26 <rhkfin> And add your own studd in /media/card/customscript that will be run inthe end
Feb 13 22:57:27 <fredrin> rhkfin: i know, just wanted to try the default thing 
Feb 13 22:57:33 <rhkfin> fredrin: ok
Feb 13 22:57:48 <fredrin> it's nice, I like the fixes though 
Feb 13 22:58:35 <rhkfin> I've tried to get some of the important & easy fixes there but there's not much magic behind it. Most of it is stuff that the base 2008.x should have included already, I think..
Feb 13 22:58:46 <fredrin> Will the latest andy-tracking kernel just work on 2008.12 if I flash it? 
Feb 13 23:54:54 <leavittx> happy 1234567890 day!
Feb 14 01:22:22 <slaxxin> mwesters latest stable kernel with bytstores 2008.12 modification
Feb 14 01:25:08 <slaxxin> when is SHR going to drop
Feb 14 01:25:39 <slaxxin> will it have the ,28 kernel when it is released?
Feb 14 01:26:02 <slaxxin> will it still segfault
Feb 14 01:31:25 <davi> I would like one of the next OpenMoko 100% Free Software mobiles would include a hardware similar to the 
Feb 14 01:31:28 <davi>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Dream
Feb 14 01:31:57 <davi> QWERTY keyboard, camera, video recording, etc.
Feb 14 01:44:40 <Dave> omc, anybody?
Feb 14 02:54:01 <niv> ok, guys...
Feb 14 02:54:30 <niv> i have some situation in which my freerunner simply crashes
Feb 14 02:55:12 <niv> i use debian and an 8 GB mmc memory
Feb 14 02:55:42 <niv> i run on battery
Feb 14 02:55:48 <niv> and i start a gprs session
Feb 14 02:55:50 <niv> voila
Feb 14 02:57:28 <niv> after rebooting my freerunner there seems to be no evidence
Feb 14 02:57:31 <niv> (the perfect crime)
Feb 14 02:59:09 <slaxxin> is it a neopwn?
Feb 14 02:59:29 <niv> its a freerunner :)
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