**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 14 02:59:57 2009 Feb 14 03:00:07 or what do you mean? Feb 14 03:00:42 http://www.neopwn.com/software.php Feb 14 03:01:33 i cant get my debian to boot with Qi:9 Feb 14 03:02:14 i still use the original uboot shipped with it :) Feb 14 03:05:34 and i think its not neopwn, what i have here. Feb 14 03:05:53 its something between debian sid and debian experimental.. with an openmoko 2.6.28 kernel Feb 14 05:06:34 dave u got an HTC touch or something? Feb 14 05:06:50 those work pretty smooth Feb 14 05:07:17 my neighbor has i Feb 14 05:07:21 1 Feb 14 05:07:48 but he cant play Duke Nukem on it:) Feb 14 05:33:41 Has anyone attempted pairing a FR with a Blacberry plantronics 655 via bluetooth? Feb 14 05:34:02 I'm rather new to BT and am slightly lost Feb 14 05:35:41 I can scanand see the device, but I'm at a loss as to how to connect it Feb 14 05:37:10 select a picture then options tab should say send or sometimes something stupid Feb 14 05:37:44 pair with the device Feb 14 05:38:30 slaxxin: are you responding to me? Feb 14 08:07:40 mickey|zzZZzz: ping :D Feb 14 08:58:39 moin Feb 14 09:03:35 * hipitihop waves to the residents Feb 14 10:32:03 Hi all, just got a used (and non-working FreeRunner). Timestamp is 20080618. All I can say to now, is that it doesn't switch on, but as i don't have a volt meter this could be even due to an empty battery Feb 14 10:32:54 Hook it up to the wall charger and leave it to sit for a while (like half an hour or so) Feb 14 10:33:00 does it power up if you plug it in over usb/via the charger without the battery? Feb 14 10:33:18 6 hour Feb 14 10:33:37 Then hold in the AUX button (the square one at the top) and press the power button :) Feb 14 10:35:45 Kamping_Kaiser: No, it doesn't... Feb 14 10:36:44 leinir: Thanks. Assuming that this won't work either, any chance to get it working again? Maybe using a debug board? Feb 14 10:37:12 That i don't know, i'm afraid :) Feb 14 10:37:25 p3t3r__, do you have an idea why it no longer works ? Feb 14 10:37:43 This is just how i do it when i run out of battery, which unfortunately happens every once in a while :) Feb 14 10:38:37 Kamping_Kaiser: Well, the guy that sold it to me said that it just stopped working some days ago.. didn't mention that it was due to a flashing error or something like that Feb 14 10:40:17 p3t3r__, pity theres not a lot to work on (as to why it no longer works). Feb 14 10:42:33 Kamping_Kaiser: I know. Would be great to know more, but unfortunately I don't. I will ask the seller again, and maybe he remembers some extra details, now that I bought the unit ;) Feb 14 10:43:10 besides: Which hardware revision is it? Any ideas? 20080618 sounds rather old, doesn't it? Feb 14 10:43:43 That's the first run, i believe... Feb 14 10:43:45 same as mine Feb 14 10:43:59 So it's not got the GPS fix Feb 14 10:44:53 you'll be able to verify that by looking at the SD slot - if there's a tiny component between two of the legs, it's got the GPS fix :) Feb 14 10:48:25 leinir: I guess that the lacking GPS fix isn't a huge problem (at least while I not using GPS)? Feb 14 10:50:05 Not really, no :) Feb 14 11:31:05 so thanks for now.. have to leave. Feb 14 12:05:44 hey y'all Feb 14 12:13:52 I would like one of the next OpenMoko 100% Free Software mobiles would include a hardware similar to the Feb 14 12:13:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Dream Feb 14 12:13:52 QWERTY keyboard, camera, video recording, etc. Feb 14 12:13:55 Feb 14 12:14:37 HTC_Dream has the hardware locked and so I can not install my modified Linux kernel Feb 14 12:14:46 davi: easily unlocked Feb 14 12:15:11 PaulFertser_, via software or hardware? Feb 14 12:15:18 Flashing ROM? Feb 14 12:15:28 Any URL? Feb 14 12:15:35 Feb 14 12:15:38 davi: just install old firmware version, then flash the modified bootloader, then install whatever you want. No special hardware required. Feb 14 12:16:07 davi: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860 Feb 14 12:16:12 thanks Feb 14 12:16:15 Feb 14 12:16:24 davi: please report the results! Feb 14 12:16:25 So the hardware locked part is solved. Feb 14 12:17:05 What about the software part? That is to say, is all the Android software 100% _free software_? Feb 14 12:17:19 tried asking an android channel? Feb 14 12:17:26 these all seem reasonably OT here Feb 14 12:17:45 sorry Feb 14 12:17:50 Feb 14 12:18:23 Kamping_Kaiser: i hope i can encourage some hacker to port FSO to HTC dream, so not that OT Feb 14 12:18:27 ;) Feb 14 12:18:32 PaulFertser_, :) Feb 14 12:18:34 What I would like is OpenMoko releasing a phone with similar hardware capabilities to avoid all the mess-hacking with the HTC Dream Feb 14 12:18:47 davi, re your last question, afaik all thre bits that integrate with google are non-free Feb 14 12:19:02 davi: kernel is 100% free, as to A itself -- as free as on FR, i think i can give you a link to what components are closed. Feb 14 12:19:20 Kamping_Kaiser, I see.Well I am not interesting in "Google integration" :) Feb 14 12:19:42 davi: we can't expect such a phone from OM. Too many reasons, but it's just not possible. Feb 14 12:20:10 PaulFertser_, due to mobile network security? Feb 14 12:20:25 davi: it would be cool if someone ported some fully non-A distribution to Dream, not debian chroot, like many run. Feb 14 12:20:37 davi: basically due to low production volumes. Feb 14 12:21:19 PaulFertser_, So, you advice buy and HTC dream instead of an OpenMoko? Feb 14 12:21:28 advise* Feb 14 12:21:33 an* Feb 14 12:22:07 davi: only if you're a dedicated hacker with experience who wants to port FSO to Dream. Otherwise, not ;) Feb 14 12:22:52 PaulFertser_, What do you mean by "FSO"? Feb 14 12:23:29 davi: http://freesmartphone.org Feb 14 12:23:44 I am looking at it ... Feb 14 12:23:52 davi: list of proprietary A components (not very relevant for porting FSO, but still): http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2009-January/000495.html Feb 14 12:24:26 I am looking at it ... Feb 14 12:25:20 Feb 14 12:25:48 has anyone found a way to install minimo on shr? Feb 14 12:26:02 Is there any possibility of getting a work for telecommute as developer for this free software projects? Feb 14 12:26:52 davi: telecommute? Feb 14 12:26:58 badcloud - opkg install with opkg.org repository enabled? Feb 14 12:27:00 PaulFertser_, Telework Feb 14 12:27:06 oh actually - you need to do -force-depends Feb 14 12:27:14 it needs gtk+fastscaling, which is now called gtk+ Feb 14 12:27:21 PaulFertser_, Telework being located at Europe Feb 14 12:27:22 just make sure that is installed and then force-deps install minimo Feb 14 12:28:42 I think I tried that, gives me an md5sum error Feb 14 12:29:56 on libxft2 Feb 14 12:32:51 http://mibbit.com/pb/Orad2V Feb 14 12:38:12 hey there, doc Feb 14 12:40:43 badcloud: i don't know - but adding the om2007 repository to SHR seems like asking for trouble Feb 14 12:41:24 right, I'll remove that. only did that to add openmoko-dates2+tasks2 Feb 14 12:43:07 done Feb 14 12:43:45 thanks Feb 14 12:49:43 It worked now? Feb 14 12:50:39 I can try again, but I remember trying before adding the repo and it not working Feb 14 12:50:49 trying now Feb 14 12:54:40 nope http://mibbit.com/pb/itsvjt Feb 14 12:56:03 and this is where you need -force-depends Feb 14 12:56:10 the package IS probably installed as gtk+ Feb 14 12:56:29 that's what I thought Feb 14 12:56:33 ahoi Feb 14 12:56:34 but how can I convince opkg? Feb 14 12:57:03 opkg -force-depends install minimo Feb 14 12:57:12 will convert the dependency error to a warning Feb 14 12:57:55 worth a shot Feb 14 12:59:42 http://mibbit.com/pb/aHrSPV again, no dice Feb 14 13:01:15 type what I did :) Force-depends before install Feb 14 13:01:44 just flat out 'opkg -force-depends'? Feb 14 13:03:43 install minimo Feb 14 13:04:07 I did that, only with the ipk link Feb 14 13:04:19 minimo isn't in the repo list in shr Feb 14 13:05:10 add the opkg.org repository Feb 14 13:06:08 how Feb 14 13:06:09 ? Feb 14 13:06:38 or rather, where do I find the .conf file? Feb 14 13:08:55 echo "src/gz opkgorg http://www.opkg.org/packages" > /etc/opkg/opkg-feed.conf Feb 14 13:09:14 thanks again Feb 14 13:12:20 http://mibbit.com/pb/MqOWVd I can't imagine why I would think it would end differently **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 14 14:03:53 2009 Feb 14 14:37:31 hi. If have strange behavior with wifi: WPA connection is established and I'm sshing into FR but I can neither ping the AP nor reach anything else beside members of the LAN. routes are ok..any clue? known problem? Feb 14 14:38:33 madxray: you ssh over wifi? Feb 14 14:39:04 japp from laptop via WPA into FR Feb 14 14:40:00 after starting second dropbear instance for FR's IP:22 it was no problem Feb 14 14:40:11 Distro is OM2008.12 Feb 14 14:44:04 madxray: tcpdump -s0 -w d -i eth0 Feb 14 14:44:16 madxray: then send something via ssh, and try to ping it over wifi Feb 14 15:02:16 Hi, all. I was stupid enough to buy a Google 'phone because I thought the OM was still having teething troubles. I notice that GTA03 is a long way off and may not have 3G. Would this have any issues with using satnav/ gps software? Forgive my stupid question. Feb 14 15:03:48 chris_debian: what has 3g to do with gps? Feb 14 15:05:41 lindi-: it happens again and I could not recognise anything special Feb 14 15:06:55 lindi- i don't know, I'm trying to work out what 3G does for the mobile phone. Feb 14 15:07:31 chris_debian: even with GPRS you can download AGPS assist data in less than 10 seconds - i see no other possible connection between 2.5G/3G and GPS Feb 14 15:09:31 Wonka, thanks for that. I thought I'd ask a straightforward question, rather than googling forever. I may need to eBay my G1 and buy an Openmoko (as I should have done in the first place). Feb 14 15:09:49 *g* Feb 14 15:10:21 chris_debian: do you by any chance want to port FSO to G1? Feb 14 15:10:40 Paul, FSO? Feb 14 15:11:02 er... doesn't the customer version of G1 only take signed stuffß Feb 14 15:11:03 ? Feb 14 15:11:19 Wonka: can be easily rooted Feb 14 15:11:34 and btw, i think laforge is right with his anger about that signed binary stuff Feb 14 15:11:39 Wonka, if I understand your question, you can set-up your "sources" to be installed from non-official places. Feb 14 15:11:47 chris_debian: http://freesmartphone.org the telephony stack used on FR and probably will be used for other HTCs as well. Feb 14 15:12:11 I just don't see why I should have to mod my phone to get root. I stupidly believed Google when they open-sourced the phone on the date of release! Feb 14 15:12:31 android is open source, not the rest Feb 14 15:12:34 chris_debian: which would not help if it verified the code was signed by some special CA Feb 14 15:12:35 Paul, will have a look. I'm not a coder, just a die hard GNU/Linux fan. Feb 14 15:12:51 Defiant-: for you reference: http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2009-January/000495.html Feb 14 15:12:59 Defiant-: A is _not_ open source Feb 14 15:13:07 not? Feb 14 15:13:16 Defiant-: read the link Feb 14 15:13:19 G1 is definately not "open enough" Feb 14 15:13:49 PaulFertser: Do the kernel/driver belong to android` Feb 14 15:14:17 chris_debian: FR still requires quite some dedication to be used as a daily phone. Hardware is clumsy, you have to apply one easy fix to get rid of GSM buzz, there're other problems etc. Feb 14 15:14:39 Defiant-: for A to run several special kernel drivers must be present Feb 14 15:14:41 You can't even ls all of the directories, due to permissions. I don't think uname works, either, just to indicate how it is locked down! Feb 14 15:15:06 chris_debian: A doesn't provide posix userspace, no wonder. Feb 14 15:15:58 Paul, I'm aware that it's still a bit rough around the edges, with call quality being an issue last time I looked. This is why i went to G1. Did I read that people use qtopia or something, that is a little more mature, or am I mislead? Feb 14 15:16:06 Paul....Ahhh! Feb 14 15:16:12 chris_debian: Qtopia sucks Feb 14 15:16:17 :-) Feb 14 15:16:28 Is that where KDE came from originally? Feb 14 15:16:32 chris_debian: and did that all the time. End-user non-flexible forked stuff. Feb 14 15:16:52 PaulFertser: it's easy only for those who are confident with modding hardware :) Feb 14 15:16:54 KDE uses Qt library, Qtopia derivates from Qt library. Feb 14 15:16:58 lindi-: yes Feb 14 15:17:29 KDE uses Qt, and originally came from a guy in Germany, who in short wanted to make a Linux desktop that his girlfriend would want to use :) Feb 14 15:17:43 So could I use the OM as an everyday 'phone, or should I put up with the G1 for another 18 months until the end of my contract? Feb 14 15:17:44 (note the difference between being able to use and wanting to use there ;) ) Feb 14 15:20:09 Looks like the UK supplier has run out of OM's for now, anyway. Feb 14 15:21:22 PaulFertser: have you heard anything about om making the buzz fix official? Feb 14 15:23:10 lindi-: i dumped two successful pings (to my laptop and some wired PC in the LAN) and some echo requests to my AP/router. Arp request was answered correctly Feb 14 15:23:15 lindi-: in the following revisions it will come pre-installed. Nothing about rework. Feb 14 15:24:14 chris_debian: have you already installed debian on your G1? Feb 14 15:24:48 DocScrutinizer: do you know anything about the rework status? Feb 14 15:24:56 Paul: No, to be honest, other than a proof of concept, I couldn't see the point. Feb 14 15:25:32 chris_debian: some can use FR as a phone, some can't. Depends on how desperate you need to have a really reliable cell phone functionality. But situation is improving rapidly. Feb 14 15:25:51 chris_debian: to be able to run any program packaged for Debian, isn't it a good enough reason? ;) Feb 14 15:26:05 lindi-: nope, sorry Feb 14 15:26:34 Hi Joerg :) Feb 14 15:26:41 moin Dave Feb 14 15:26:45 :) Feb 14 15:27:35 Paul: That is a good reason, but it doesn't make an open-source 'phone. I have several PC's I can run Debian on. Feb 14 15:28:03 Paul: When you say the situation is improving rapidly, do you know what is being done? Feb 14 15:28:07 I am interested in _Free Software_ phones not just Open Source ones Feb 14 15:28:11 chris_debian: you said the G1 wouldn't be open enough: what does that mean exactly? are there still binary, non-opensource, drivers needed for the hardware? doesn't the phone-stuff (modem) work without additional binary stuff? Feb 14 15:29:00 DocScrutinizer: is there some central page (i do not me the bug list) on the status of this important topic? I don't like to search the huge lists every time to stay updated ;-) Feb 14 15:29:12 thomasg: I don't have root and many of the apps in the "Market" are beta's that will be charged for. I just prefer OM's ethos. Feb 14 15:29:51 thomasg: that url listed some non-free parts of android yes Feb 14 15:29:55 chris_debian: ok, I can see that with the regular g1 that only accepts signed kernels and no per-default root-access. I was thinking about the hardware in general Feb 14 15:29:56 madxray: most easy and up-to-date info you'll get here by simply asking me Feb 14 15:30:22 So, what exactly are we scrutinizing this morning? :) Feb 14 15:30:22 thomas: not sure about the hardware. Feb 14 15:30:25 lindi-: ah, haven't seen the link, that's useful, thanks Feb 14 15:30:33 chris_debian: for G1 probably nothing is improving, it won't be an open-source phone ever. But kernel, FSO, hardware, distributions, telephony applications etc are improving for OM, probably will have a semi-usable phone by the middle of the year. Feb 14 15:30:35 Dave: bip Feb 14 15:30:37 Checking the link...... Feb 14 15:31:00 Dave: and alsa.state vs a new concept via amixer Feb 14 15:31:27 thomasg: A is proprietary, prooflink: http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2009-January/000495.html Feb 14 15:31:54 DocScrutinizer: ok, you said that ;-) I thought about the central thing to aviod dozens of posts to the lists and to keep your head free to develop more "how to solder if you do not fear to brock/meld your FR" guides Feb 14 15:32:04 I find it highly disappointing, that almost no owner of the g1 (especially the developer edition) knew/knows about the closed parts Feb 14 15:32:22 they all all the time argue with their kernel sources available at android.com, but nobody tells about the closed stuff... Feb 14 15:32:29 thomasg: developer edition is no different to consumer edition Feb 14 15:32:37 thomasg: think about meraki Feb 14 15:32:40 (expect the bootloader) Feb 14 15:32:44 *except Feb 14 15:32:58 thomasg: same story...same background Feb 14 15:33:07 thomasg: that can be easily changed Feb 14 15:33:39 thomasg: but google attitude sucks and is plain offensive, i agree. Feb 14 15:33:40 madxray: well originally I intended to regularly report via [HW]-ml. There's so small progress though I didn't post any update for a long time now Feb 14 15:33:48 PaulFertser: ok, but my point was, that people who buy this edition and are android-opensource-advocates should know about the closed stuff. Feb 14 15:34:06 i've rebooted fso m5 twice and zhone still cannot connect to dbus. what's wrong? :p Feb 14 15:34:15 thomasg: i didn't seen an android-opensource-advocate for a while Feb 14 15:34:55 My grammar sucks again :-/ Feb 14 15:34:57 DocScruntinizer: ok so i will hook on another list Feb 14 15:35:06 I was interested in the hardware, so I asked many owners about how open it really is and if I could build my own kernel on a non-android distro. all told me, that everything was open and available in their git repo. Feb 14 15:35:35 thomasg: So, you can build your kernel on any distro with cross-compiler, can't you? Feb 14 15:36:00 of course, but I couldn't use the phone-hardware, because it is only accessible with closed source software Feb 14 15:36:09 thomasg: btw, do they give any schematics and pcb component placement files? If not, that clearly shows how "open" they are. Feb 14 15:36:46 ok, I can understand this, because the hardware is HTCs part, and I don't expect them to know or care about "openness" at all Feb 14 15:36:50 thomasg: what part of the hardware are you interested? I think gsm modem is accessible through regular ttys, isn't it? Feb 14 15:37:09 what I can't understand is, that google delivers the software and calls it "completely open source" while it isn't. Feb 14 15:37:21 PaulFertser: according to that mail it isn't. Feb 14 15:37:29 PR/Marketing bullshit, as usual Feb 14 15:37:36 currently, proprietary userspace bits include: Feb 14 15:37:36 - htc RIL (radio interface) library and data files Feb 14 15:38:28 thomasg: but you can write your own implementation to work with "AT/QMI ontrol channels provided via GPL kernel drivers" Feb 14 15:38:48 Hi Paul :) Feb 14 15:39:08 ok, first of all, my C skill suck pretty much, so I couldn't if I wanted :) Feb 14 15:39:18 Dave: How do you do :) Feb 14 15:39:39 but nevertheless, this library seems to be the interface between the modem and the AT layer, so I don't think this can be done without reverse engineering Feb 14 15:39:44 thomasg: so, google is spreading BS, but that's no news. Feb 14 15:40:02 thomasg: i bet the modem mostly supports standard GSM at commands. Feb 14 15:40:28 gsm bs? Feb 14 15:40:38 Dave: marketing BS :) Feb 14 15:40:40 as I understand this it does, but only over the proprietary RIL interface Feb 14 15:40:48 ah! Feb 14 15:40:50 damn :P Feb 14 15:40:54 Hate that shit, Paul :) Feb 14 15:41:16 who doesnt? Feb 14 15:41:20 thomasg: nope, all other htc phones work with the modem in a regular "at command over serial interface" way. Feb 14 15:41:35 I don't. Hating is stupid. Hurts only myself if i try. Feb 14 15:42:00 WONKA Feb 14 15:42:11 wrong. Feb 14 15:42:25 i do hate marketing bs Feb 14 15:42:45 :p Feb 14 15:43:31 :D Feb 14 15:43:31 If hating hurts only yourself, you're holding the ax wrong. Feb 14 15:43:34 Yes... Feb 14 15:43:36 ok, let's see the positive side: at least google makes sure, that I'll buy openmoko phones in future, no matter how much PITA they can be in some situations :) Feb 14 15:43:39 Let the hate flow THROUGH you... >:) Feb 14 15:44:41 for now I focus all my hate on OpemEmbedded, because it doesn't want me to build anything :( Feb 14 15:45:03 thomasg: let's ask chris_debian to try to root his g1 and kill the phone application and connect to the serial via stty or picoterm or minicom or whatever. Feb 14 15:45:18 dumb question - when typing with the predictive illume keyboard, i get a bunch of suggestions, how do I scroll in the list? Feb 14 15:45:20 chris_debian: you heard the man :) Feb 14 15:45:36 Just doing it......... Feb 14 15:45:43 oh snap Feb 14 15:45:50 So what exactly are we doing here, Paul? Feb 14 15:45:59 Other than breaking and entering :P Feb 14 15:46:26 thomasg: you already updated FW?? :-) Feb 14 15:46:36 Dave: is it a phylosophical question or you're trying to understand what we are talking about? Feb 14 15:46:44 the latter Feb 14 15:46:46 :P Feb 14 15:46:58 I'd say I missed the first 3/4 of the conversation. Feb 14 15:47:02 DocScrutinizer: no, I was about to - as soon I fixed the audio stuff I'm struggling with :) Feb 14 15:47:20 now I have a kernelpatch for that in OE, but it doesn't build... Feb 14 15:47:33 Hi Feb 14 15:47:52 however, I'm glad to hear, that the part of the modem firmware that OM actually _can_ fix is getting fixed Feb 14 15:47:55 I seem to remember you asked me about updating moko5 on a gta01 long time ago? Feb 14 15:47:58 How long will it take for tangogps to display the position? Feb 14 15:47:59 Dave: HTC Dream aka G1 comes preinstalled with android which has some proprietary parts. But google says every now and then that A is open-source. That's marketing BS. But i guess one can access the gsm modem via regular serial port and use AT commands as usual. Feb 14 15:48:16 DocScrutinizer: yeah, I think that might have been me Feb 14 15:48:36 So this is what you currently endeavor to find out? :) Feb 14 15:48:39 Guys, I've got a large screwdriver out and am just applying it to my G1. Root must be inside somewhere.... Feb 14 15:48:47 :) Feb 14 15:48:50 hah! Feb 14 15:48:56 crack that thing open! Feb 14 15:48:59 chris_debian: if you can't find your hammer, just ask Feb 14 15:49:03 :D Feb 14 15:49:03 chris_debian: need a link to rooting procedure? Feb 14 15:49:22 chris_debian: let's hope you have a US edition, not EU Feb 14 15:49:30 afaik EU is not yet root-able Feb 14 15:49:32 Got the link, thanks. I have a plastic faced mallet that should minimize the dameage. Feb 14 15:49:39 UK edition. Feb 14 15:49:54 *damage Feb 14 15:49:54 chris_debian: why are you openning the case? Feb 14 15:50:04 I'm not, just being silly. Feb 14 15:50:06 should i be able to start frameworkd manually on fso m5? i'm getting these errors: http://643268d6232ad7f7.paste.se/ Feb 14 15:50:22 The UK 'phone can be rooted, buy downgrading the patching. Feb 14 15:50:30 PaulFertser: Is that "open" the sort of that applies to the OS, but not to the bootloader which will refuse to load a nonsigned OS? :-> Feb 14 15:51:10 DocScrutinizer: no, OS is not fully open as well. Look here for very important parts that are missing: http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2009-January/000495.html Feb 14 15:51:29 DocScrutinizer: so, what about flashing from moko5? Feb 14 15:51:47 duh, nothing special? Feb 14 15:52:05 just now its feasible Feb 14 15:52:19 tilman: looks like you have a broken installation/corrupted files. Feb 14 15:52:57 yay ;x Feb 14 15:53:02 chris_debian: ok, think the UK version might be rootable, it comes with the old firmware that allows it the same way as the US edition does. central/eastern europe editions however don't allow that :( Feb 14 15:53:16 PloenK: depends. with no almanach data, it can take up to 12 minutes. you need strong enough signal reception of course. Feb 14 15:53:17 Ahhh, ok. Feb 14 15:53:42 thx Wonka, so I'll wait Feb 14 15:54:06 thomasg: why do you think that? Have you read http://www.webnetta.com/2009/01/02/t-mobile-g1-rc30-to-jfv13/ ? Feb 14 15:54:53 no, I haven't (thanks), I only know what this trusty person says :) http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/ Feb 14 15:55:01 PloenK: for me GPS fix takes about 1-2 minutes with almanac. Feb 14 15:55:37 does anyone have the md5sum of fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 (for milestone 5)? Feb 14 15:55:41 Anyone know how to fix: "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory" Feb 14 15:56:31 happy valentines Feb 14 15:56:42 Wonka: and if you have a few seconds of dropout at the end of that 12min interval, you may need to wait for another one to get complete data from sat Feb 14 15:57:17 Wonka: so "good signal needed" can't be emphasized storng enough Feb 14 15:57:22 ack Feb 14 15:57:33 but i have agps-full....py Feb 14 15:57:36 and gprs Feb 14 15:57:46 so i usually don't need more than 30s Feb 14 15:57:51 yeah lovely Feb 14 15:58:23 is anyone here able to build pkgconfig-native in OE? Feb 14 15:58:26 also i got a 10pF piece of fly doings on the right pins :) Feb 14 15:58:39 :-))) Feb 14 15:58:54 did the fix yourself? Feb 14 15:59:21 thomasg: you're right, "Huh... so it seems flashing rc29 to g1 bought in Czech Republic is not easily possible: bootloader checks region (CID) and will not allow flashing..." Feb 14 15:59:25 had a friend do the soldering Feb 14 15:59:57 he should be able to do bigC as well Feb 14 16:00:04 and when the weather is warmer, i'll take my FR and my magnetic compass and hunt down some plastic cans Feb 14 16:00:06 tilman: e2814619fc767a9d9ab19528a8fb77b0 fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Feb 14 16:00:06 chbe@farnsworth Feb 14 16:00:08 PaulFertser: yeah, afaik the same goes for some other countries in this region (basically all where the phone came on the market in 2009) Feb 14 16:00:26 madxray: thanks Feb 14 16:00:33 i'll try flashing that again :( Feb 14 16:00:49 hmm - enlightenment takes 40% pretty much always... Feb 14 16:00:51 tilman: hope it is number 5...it's the last from start of feb Feb 14 16:01:37 madxray: yes, that should be ms5 Feb 14 16:01:38 Wonka :) Feb 14 16:01:49 40% cpu that is Feb 14 16:01:57 eww Feb 14 16:02:45 :-< Feb 14 16:04:32 gromgull: iirc that's a specific problem with newer shr/fso releases, not a general problem Feb 14 16:05:03 thomasg: this is FSO-m5 Feb 14 16:05:16 Anyone successfully connect a MIDI device to their Neo? Feb 14 16:05:33 is there also a fix? :) Feb 14 16:06:22 Montgoss == steven? :) Feb 14 16:07:03 thomasg: maybe... :-$ Feb 14 16:07:53 gromgull: sry, haven't had a closer look, enough trouble at other points at moment. don't even know if there's already a solution, afaik unloading and reloading all E modules helps Feb 14 16:08:21 Montgoss: well, if so, we've been mailing 2 days ago (about euphony) Feb 14 16:08:38 Montgoss: if its just usb it works just like on your PC Feb 14 16:08:46 thomasg: oh yah Feb 14 16:09:01 lindi-: it doesn't create a /dev/midi device like it does on my PC Feb 14 16:09:21 Montgoss: put your kernel config online somewhere Feb 14 16:09:34 ok, so I can inform you, that I've not only spotted the reason for the delay, but also for a big performance problem (which are directly related). I think it's a problem with the sounddriver, and I hope I can fix it Feb 14 16:09:52 lindi-: errr.... not sure what you mean by "kernel config" Feb 14 16:10:08 thomasg: that's good news Feb 14 16:10:28 Montgoss: linux kernel configuration file ".config" defines what features are enabled Feb 14 16:10:28 thomasg: soundriver as in alsa? Feb 14 16:10:47 Montgoss: maybe your kernel does not have usb midi device support Feb 14 16:11:05 Montgoss: yes Feb 14 16:11:16 I also tried OSS, but that didn't help much Feb 14 16:11:18 lindi-: ok. and where is that .config file? Feb 14 16:11:29 Montgoss: depends on the distro Feb 14 16:11:32 SHR Feb 14 16:11:40 /proc/config.gz might be the first shot Feb 14 16:11:41 no idea Feb 14 16:12:10 however, many OM based distros don't have that feature enabled, so you have to check the buildsystem or kernel git, where the default configurations rest Feb 14 16:12:46 it was /proc/config.gz Feb 14 16:13:15 line 1389 says "# CONFIG_USB_MIDI_GADGET is not set" Feb 14 16:13:22 wasn't there a post on one of the lists about FR corrupting an Linksys WLAN repeater? my Zyxel has also very strange issues after my previously reported tries to connect my FR. My Laptop is connected but iwlisting is some kind of unknown strangeness http://3dc9ed5dfa867558.paste.se Feb 14 16:13:24 Montgoss: you don't want a midi gadget Feb 14 16:13:25 i'm guessing that's a bad sign, yah? :-( Feb 14 16:13:31 Montgoss: that is no sign Feb 14 16:13:52 lindi-: that's the only occurrence of MIDI in the file Feb 14 16:14:31 lindi-: what should I be looking for? Feb 14 16:15:18 Montgoss: find -name Kconfig|xargs grep MIDI in source code Feb 14 16:16:22 Montgoss: i think you need SND_USB_AUDIO Feb 14 16:16:32 Montgoss: documented as 'Say Y here to include support for USB audio and USB MIDI devices.' Feb 14 16:17:12 * PaulFertser wonders why G1 can't be accessed with JTAG. Feb 14 16:17:25 Thermite. Feb 14 16:17:44 lindi-: that find returned no results... Feb 14 16:18:02 thomasg: removing the dropshadow module and reducing the framerate seems to bring it down to about 10% - still this is a lot for not doing anything Feb 14 16:22:39 Montgoss: did you run it in linux source code? Feb 14 16:23:30 i ran it on the SHR source tree Feb 14 16:24:23 Paul, tentacles1 Feb 14 16:24:24 ! Feb 14 16:26:01 Dave: since when that is a problem for hackers? ;) Feb 14 16:26:06 mh... well, anyone gprs on batterie working? *G* Feb 14 16:26:22 (and debian on an 8 GB mmc?) *duck* Feb 14 16:27:41 at least that one is reproducable... i am on battery... start gprs with the grps-on.sh script from the wiki, remove the default route to usb0 and do something with the network and my freerunner freezes Feb 14 16:27:54 fso is working nicely after i flashed it again ._o Feb 14 16:28:11 :D Feb 14 16:29:01 niv: i don't remove the default route manually Feb 14 16:29:10 niv: using debian Feb 14 16:29:22 PaulFertser: what do you do to use gprs then? Feb 14 16:30:17 niv: nothing except mdbus -s $BUSNAME $OBJECTPATH $METHODNAME $APN "$USERNAME" "$PASSWORD" Feb 14 16:30:21 lindi-: was that not correct? Feb 14 16:30:49 Montgoss: i don't know what "SHR source tree" exactly means sorry Feb 14 16:31:00 Montgoss: where is it? Feb 14 16:31:12 PaulFertser: what do you insert for $BUSNAME, $OBJECTPATH and $METHODNAME? :) Feb 14 16:31:43 lindi-: it's all the source that goes into the SHR distro images Feb 14 16:31:48 niv: org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.ActivateContext of course Feb 14 16:31:55 lindi-: i was pretty sure it included the kernel Feb 14 16:32:01 Montgoss: how many Kconfig files? Feb 14 16:32:18 lindi-: at least 30 Feb 14 16:32:37