**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 20 02:59:58 2009 Feb 20 03:17:48 interesting, I'm getting a segfault while trying to reinstall my tzdata Feb 20 03:18:23 Anyone know why `opkg -force-reinstall install tzdata` wouldn't work? Feb 20 03:28:56 what does raster mean Feb 20 03:29:45 oh thats trippy Feb 20 03:29:51 kd8ikt: in graphics, a flat image IIRC, opposite a vector/layered image basically Feb 20 03:30:29 i found a wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphics Feb 20 03:31:25 i was looking up opengl es stuff Feb 20 03:31:39 specs whatnot Feb 20 03:32:01 i heard raster and was liek omfg i kno himZ Feb 20 03:32:15 ahh, heh Feb 20 03:32:56 and he mostly did play with graphics Feb 20 03:33:15 raster: i'm talkin bout you is your nose/ear itching? Feb 20 03:33:31 :D Feb 20 03:34:38 anyway i was wondering how these opegl libs and whatnot translate into actuating hardware Feb 20 03:35:48 maybe i should read xglamo's src Feb 20 03:51:00 * raster throws kittens @ kd8ikt Feb 20 04:05:29 wheres the fso 5.1 speken of? Feb 20 04:06:01 ahh Feb 20 04:07:16 oh my, cross-lfs to arm is already at 77MB with only glibc Feb 20 05:14:56 hello? Feb 20 05:20:34 any ETA for the next SHR release?.... or, how's the most recent unstable? Feb 20 05:37:00 SHR? how does that compare to other distros? Feb 20 05:37:21 I'm new to openmoko, have freerunner and still looking for comfortable distro Feb 20 05:39:58 jrodger: SHR or debian are good choices at the momebt. Feb 20 05:40:00 moment Feb 20 05:59:48 I awas trying FDOM but it is too bloated.... is SHR a similar build (uImage.bin + jffs2) to android, om2008 and FDOM? Feb 20 06:01:34 rhkfin: I awas trying FDOM but it is too bloated.... is SHR a similar build (uImage.bin + jffs2) to android, om2008 and FDOM? Feb 20 06:04:40 it's different from FDOM & openmoko as it uses frameworkd (see freesmartphone.org) and then again android is something completely different. SHR is closest to FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Feb 20 06:07:26 jrodger: you can also try my project at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer Feb 20 06:13:19 rhkin: I am new to this phone but want to get into helping with it, I just have a few issues Feb 20 06:14:22 I tried Om2008.12 but it didn't complete the boot, there was a line in the script about only allowing GTA01 hardware????? I got Om2008.9 to work Feb 20 06:14:55 jrodger: sounds like you flashed something wrong there.. Feb 20 06:15:34 morning :) Feb 20 06:15:57 rhkfin: I flashed the Om2008.12 uImage and jffs2 from the same page Feb 20 06:16:21 I'd be happy woith Om2008.12 if I could then get the WPA to work as well.... Feb 20 06:16:29 morning ccfly Feb 20 06:18:10 bugger, I fell out..... Feb 20 06:20:12 rhkfin: which files should I be downloading to get Om2008.12 to work without the GTA01 error? Feb 20 06:20:21 jrodger: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ and you took the gta02v5 files? Feb 20 06:20:29 should I be using the original bootloader or Qi? Feb 20 06:20:56 I don't know. uboot=original works but now people are starting with Qi, I have no experience yet. Feb 20 06:21:00 rhkfin: not sure, I don't think so though...should I have? Feb 20 06:21:19 jrodger: hmm.. yes, you have a GTA02 phone there :) Feb 20 06:21:40 (or gta files in general) Feb 20 06:21:41 yes, is GTA02, I have found that much so far.....:D Feb 20 06:22:49 I didn't use the GTA02v5 files first up.....I will try SHR - if you recommend it, is it easy ennough to stumle through? Feb 20 06:23:18 SHR - never tried but what I've heard it's a good direction at least in the future. I don' know about the current state. Feb 20 06:23:41 rhkfin: okay, would you like me to keep you posted? Feb 20 06:24:14 2008.12 might be at the moment still the easiest to make work nice (Kustomizer or Bytestore setting builder http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore#install ) Feb 20 06:24:36 jrodger: If you try SHR I'm happy to hear how you're doing. I should try it myself too Feb 20 06:26:46 rhkfin: well, I'm downloading the jffs2 nowq, will take my dogs for a walk then install it...... Feb 20 06:28:44 ok : Feb 20 07:27:43 rhkfin, SHR seems okay, quite a bit more intuitive than FDOM and android.....still looking though. Feb 20 07:33:19 nice Feb 20 07:42:42 morning Feb 20 07:51:46 hi, I just flash android to freerunner, anyone know how to using keyboard? Feb 20 08:38:58 good morning Feb 20 08:46:12 bartuer: have you read the wiki? Feb 20 09:14:16 rhkfin: how do you apply your scripts? Feb 20 10:12:41 jrodger: you need a clean 2008.12 for that. Have a look at the Kustomizer code or wiki page, it'll explain it. Feb 20 10:18:55 hmmmm, no good, I cannot get 2008.12 onto the FR :(( Feb 20 10:35:51 :( Feb 20 10:47:03 Did you try again? HAve a look at the kustomizer code for commands to download & flash 2008.12 Feb 20 11:09:41 so anyone running shr-testing on their GTA01 (neo1973)??? Feb 20 11:13:31 hi Feb 20 11:14:38 I installed qi-s3c2442-master-hist_1665e43677c005a8.udfu on my freerunner, but if I start it in nor it says u-boot again, is that correct? Feb 20 11:14:54 yes Feb 20 11:15:12 nor is only modifiable via debug board Feb 20 11:15:25 oh Feb 20 11:15:45 so I didn't really install qi? Feb 20 11:17:07 in NAND Feb 20 11:17:44 if it boots with power button only, possibly Feb 20 11:26:03 I must install things via NAND also qi? Feb 20 11:34:07 no Feb 20 11:34:15 you installed qi into NAND from NOR Feb 20 11:34:25 boot freerunner ba pressing power button only Feb 20 11:34:37 and it should boot using qi Feb 20 11:37:11 hmm. k Feb 20 11:51:52 Hi all Feb 20 11:51:53 :) Feb 20 11:55:21 Hi... panicking? Feb 20 11:55:36 hm Feb 20 11:56:49 Hi :) Feb 20 11:57:31 I don't have the noise on call of yestarday, I don't understand. Seems releated to a temponary Feb 20 11:57:33 hw problem Feb 20 11:58:40 panicking: it's related to the frequency at least. The lower the freq, the less noise or something Feb 20 11:59:47 panicking: its the other party that hears the buzz Feb 20 11:59:54 s/its/it's/( Feb 20 12:04:13 I hear the noise Feb 20 12:04:20 It's not related Feb 20 12:04:25 to the at command Feb 20 12:04:28 the reduce the noise Feb 20 12:04:35 Yestarday the phone Feb 20 12:04:36 panicking: which bug is that? Feb 20 12:04:45 It is not a bug Feb 20 12:04:56 I say that yestarday I have hw problem with calypso Feb 20 12:05:12 and today I don't have this strange effect with the same software Feb 20 12:05:25 is this happen to anyone in the past Feb 20 12:05:25 ? Feb 20 12:06:15 panicking: you should report it Feb 20 12:08:03 panicking: Yes, it sounds like a strange one, how do you know that yesterdays issue was an hw issue? Feb 20 12:09:47 because I don't change the software. First I have noise on the phone call, then I can't heard nothing Feb 20 12:10:18 but the calypso response at all the command Feb 20 12:10:37 so seems to be related to audio switching or audio out Feb 20 12:11:26 I can't reproduce now Feb 20 12:24:58 is there a trick to get the sd card out of the slot? Feb 20 12:25:30 swear at it a lot Feb 20 12:25:55 IIRC the metal bit slides away from the edge of the case, pressed with a fingernail Feb 20 12:26:15 after you remove the SIM and battery of course Feb 20 12:27:15 got it Feb 20 12:27:31 swaring works Feb 20 12:37:21 do I need a swap partition and how large it is used to be? Feb 20 12:39:03 Serdar: i use a swap partition with my debian and it's 512MB Feb 20 12:39:34 hmm 512 on my 512M card will not much room for more Feb 20 12:40:04 you don't have much room for anything on a 512M card anyway... Feb 20 12:40:54 ah sorry, it's about 760M, but only because that's what was left after doing 4G for / and 3G for /root... Feb 20 13:34:47 hi guys, since today I am a proud owner of the neo freerunner Feb 20 13:34:58 stra: I feel so sorry for you Feb 20 13:35:03 hi, congrats :) Feb 20 13:35:04 :-) Feb 20 13:35:30 optimism is always refreshing :) Feb 20 13:35:39 si what you're trying to say is you've given up on social life and are on your path to uber geek persona Feb 20 13:44:01 its not that bad, in just 2 hours from opening the box to working calls, wifi, and inet over wifi Feb 20 13:44:50 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r63e1435165e0 10/pycd/ (TODO pycd.conf pycd.py): pycd: add a python preloaded Feb 20 13:53:45 congratz stra Feb 20 14:33:19 quick poll: What dist are you guys running? Feb 20 14:33:56 asu Feb 20 14:35:02 anyone with FDOM? Feb 20 14:35:29 stra: Debian Feb 20 14:47:57 Is there any decent documentation on the accelerometers and what the different ranges for values are for the settings? (ie: threshold, sample_rate etc). Feb 20 14:48:38 PaulFertser: For the record, there is a mailing list for Android on the FR at http://android.koolu.org/listinfo.cgi Feb 20 14:52:17 bricode: Hey :) Feb 20 14:52:50 bricode: What does koolu have a forum then? ;) Feb 20 14:53:12 PaulFertser: I like to give people different ways to communicate. Feb 20 14:53:25 bricode: even if the way is very inefficient? Feb 20 14:53:35 PaulFertser: It's like asking, why does Openmoko have a wiki when they have 4 or more different mailing lists? Feb 20 14:53:48 PaulFertser: You think the community list is efficient? Feb 20 14:54:12 bricode: wiki is meant to store information. Mailing list is meant to produce information. That's how i see it. Feb 20 14:54:40 bricode: community list? It's not that bad, imho, with a decent mail reader. Even Andy reads it. Feb 20 14:55:17 PaulFertser: Fair enough, but instructions and other snippets are easier to thread in a forum. You have the advantage of different formatting. Feb 20 14:55:40 PaulFertser: Also the ability to augment information with external sources. Feb 20 14:56:53 bricode: i see no reason to not include urls to the external information in the mailing list posts too. As to the code -- decent mailing readers even have a formatting mode for patches with syntax highlighting. Feb 20 14:58:12 bricode: the main disadvantage of web-forum is absence of well-establish standard for user-side applications. And therefore all those horrible hacks (ala Greasemonkey) exist. Very fragile and inefficient. And if there were a standard, it'd be NNTP ;) Feb 20 14:58:37 PaulFertser: Fair enough. What about cross-language issues and localization? Feb 20 14:59:01 PaulFertser: Search engine optimization and drawing people to your site. Feb 20 14:59:29 There are a whole host of reasons for a forum, and some for mailing lists. That's why we offer both. Feb 20 15:00:16 bricode: i use only "english" for technical communication, i see no fair reason to not do otherwise :) And mailing list archives are included in google results the same way as forum posts are. Feb 20 15:00:41 bricode: i see no advantages of forums comparing to mailing lists or NNTP, but plenty of disadvantages. Feb 20 15:01:31 1. you don't need to tell people how to configure their mua Feb 20 15:02:50 PaulFertser: I'm sorry, but that's a pretty arrogant statement. There are plenty of people who don't speak English, and Koolu's mandate is to bring access to technology to a broad range of people. Feb 20 15:02:53 Defiant-: Just post the instructions on subscription web page. Moreover, i don't know about any special configuration needed for most popular muas. Feb 20 15:03:24 PaulFertser: I know a lot people who wouldn't read that Feb 20 15:03:54 bricode: I consider basic knowledge of English is mandatory for every engineer and advanced user as well. So, i see no reason to spent time on localization. Feb 20 15:04:30 Defiant-: then they don't need freerunner as well, i guess. Let them buy iPhones and eat at McDonalds. Feb 20 15:04:42 lol Feb 20 15:05:17 bricode: i think you see i'm not native speaker too. But i'd better spend time on improving my language skills than on translating. Feb 20 15:07:07 PaulFertser: True, but not everybody has the luxury of having access to learn English. It think we're debating two different points here...one being the target for developers, and the other the target for more of an end user. Feb 20 15:07:19 bricode: it's like a scientist that doesn't posses common mathematical knowledge. He just can't collaborate with anybody efficiently. So is with development, like it or not, English is the most widely accepted language for collaboration. Feb 20 15:08:18 bricode: learning written English is not hard, one can do it himself by self-studying. Feb 20 15:09:15 bricode: as to the forums vs mailing lists, i can't see how forum is better suited for non-english languages than mailing lists. Feb 20 15:09:29 yeah and after a self-study you sound like a dyslexic. But language is easier to maintain, granted Feb 20 15:10:10 PaulFertser: it's a little easier to have 1-1 mapping of different posts/subjects in a forum than on a mailing list for language reasons. Feb 20 15:10:26 PaulFertser, bricode: Force to move question on android mailing list is better for the develop. Recently some ask for having the IMEI number, 20 minutus of work for And2Nav. So if people ask and post on the mailing list can have answer in a few minute. There are a lot of little change that can be done quickly Feb 20 15:10:32 bricode: imo the main reason for forums' existence is to please clueless non-technical users who doesn't want to learn how to use decent software. Feb 20 15:10:56 PaulFertser: You mean like Android? :) Feb 20 15:11:06 bricode: i mean like decent MUA. Feb 20 15:11:20 bricode: btw, can i ask you a technical question about Android? Feb 20 15:11:24 PaulFertser: Sure. Feb 20 15:11:45 bricode: is there a strong reason to drop POSIX and X compatibility? Feb 20 15:12:25 my humble opinion: ml is very good for the current FR users, but when/if it gets "mainstream" there will a need for a forum; these ar much more "common" to end users than mailinglists Feb 20 15:13:23 forums are also easier/with a better gui browsable than ml (especially, when you have just aquired a FR and don't have the mails in your own e-mail program) Feb 20 15:13:45 Zorkman: i'd say let those who likes forums do their own forum. Personally i don't want to help anybody using forums. And most developers agree with me. If you don't want to learn to make communication efficient, then you don't deserve to be helped. Feb 20 15:13:52 but since the current FR audience is 99%geek/tech the need is not that high Feb 20 15:14:12 Zorkman: therere mailing list archives that can be easily searched with http browsers. Feb 20 15:14:17 PaulFertser: For an embedded system, X probably isn't a bad thing to go for size and complexity reasons. QT dropped it. So did Android in favour of straight framebuffer. Feb 20 15:15:27 actually X has a bad spokesperson... it isn't so bad resource-wise, it's just that most people believe it's a resource hog... Feb 20 15:15:28 bricode: But Raster says that all talks about "X is slow" are mostly due to toolkit designers who don't understand X's internals and therefore don't use it efficiently. And i think he's the person who can be trusted. Feb 20 15:16:10 PaulFertser: As for Posix, I would think that Android is probably the closest for implementing at least a subset of it when compared to the other commercial embedded phone operating systems (RIMOS, Symbian, WinMo). The only exception might be the iPhone, but you can't even get into it to figure that out. Feb 20 15:16:13 bricode: QT didn't drop it. Qtopia did. And we all know how "good" is Qtopia. Feb 20 15:16:27 PaulFertser: Sorry, mistake on symantics there. Feb 20 15:16:30 and it does have something in its favour: *most* efforts worth looking at in the context of free software happen at the X layer, not at the framebuffer layer... Feb 20 15:16:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r59f32eb03ff7 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/gsm0710.h): Feb 20 15:16:43 freesmartphone.org: rewrite virtual channel v24 status defines (non-code change) Feb 20 15:16:43 freesmartphone.org: release as 1.1.1 Feb 20 15:17:25 for example, if I-forget-his-name succeeds in getting 3D acceleration working with the Glammo, we could benefit from it right away if Android used X. Feb 20 15:17:54 PaulFertser: I'll have to admit, I'm not very fluent in X anything. Feb 20 15:17:55 while porting that stuff to a framebuffer driver is non-trivial Feb 20 15:17:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r6fdfbc2bb50c 10/src/gsm0710-1.0.vapi: sync Feb 20 15:17:57 bricode: why compare Android with shit (wince)? Why don't just install a real gnu/linux system? If you think glibc is too heavy for embedded, go uclibc. But why drop shell, unix utilities, everything else needed? Feb 20 15:18:21 m2: exactly. Dropping X support is alienating developers. Too hard to port anything. Feb 20 15:18:52 PaulFertser: To reach a larger (and substantially different) audience than what is being reached currently with OM and existing OM distributions. Feb 20 15:18:55 PaulFertser: there I have to agree with the choice the Googlers made, in Android's context POSIX isn't that useful... Feb 20 15:19:44 bricode: dropping support for the most widely used API and user interface is aiding to reach larger audience? I can't get it. Feb 20 15:20:39 PaulFertser: A larger developer audience? No, you're right. A larger end user audience, quite possibly. Feb 20 15:20:45 m2: sure, if your aim is to sell custom-designed programs on Android Market, then yes, probably A's way is what should be done. But don't try to sell it as a technically superiour system. Feb 20 15:22:15 bricode: so, we're getting to the point here: Android is well suited to sell apps to clueless end-users, not to please hackers. Feb 20 15:22:21 sooo .. Feb 20 15:22:40 PaulFertser: it is -beautifully- simple to write software on android and just run it. Feb 20 15:22:44 bricode: and if you don't want to please hackers, do not say that your software is good and worthy. Feb 20 15:22:53 PaulFertser: If you want to boil it down to that, yes. Feb 20 15:22:54 android represents a well-done distro, and only on the bones of distro's can programmers prosper. Feb 20 15:23:15 PaulFertser: I don't think it was necessarily for lock-in reasons (which is what I guess you are trying to imply) but a design choice, I mean if your premise is that everything is java, what do you need POSIX for? why 100% java, again, design choice... Feb 20 15:23:26 openmoko '3rd party development' blows. for what distro, if you please, must i bundle up my app? Feb 20 15:23:38 m2: no, i'm not talking about lockin at all. Feb 20 15:23:56 a cross-platfrom .bin for the openmoko scene is impossible Feb 20 15:24:10 torpor: openmoko doesn't have a distro at all atm. Feb 20 15:24:28 PaulFertser: it has about 7 'interesting' things to run. Feb 20 15:24:30 torpor: cross-platform bin? Who needs it, give me the source! Feb 20 15:24:39 PaulFertser: Good and worthy is a bit of a misnomer. I've never said that Android is technically superior. However, I will say that it is more usable for the majority who aren't as technically inclined. Feb 20 15:24:41 torpor: OM-the-company doesn't have any. Feb 20 15:24:45 pfft, what sort of source do you think is running on android? java of course. Feb 20 15:25:04 android-decompiler_x.tar.gz ; ./configure ; make upload Feb 20 15:26:02 bricode: ok, but i don't think a new smartphone is needed at all. So, either you hack with any device you like or you can go buy an old n-gage or something for "everyday"-usage. Feb 20 15:26:04 cross platformm .bins are -important- to the linux eco-system. otherwise the advantages of having full open-source is diminished by having to target __X(3000) distro/platform/linux-family targets. Feb 20 15:27:06 freerunner *could* be cooler than android, as of today, if but for one thing: it isn't. Feb 20 15:27:10 torpor: i thought that often-blamed autotools are working reasonably on every distribution. At least i don't remember any big problems compiling any good software on any distro. Feb 20 15:27:12 too much fracture. Feb 20 15:28:13 bricode: i think hackers shouldn't care about the majority who needs a new shiny toy. That's just helping consumerism. Feb 20 15:29:03 hackers do not own their computers. Feb 20 15:29:29 computers are good for 'non-hackers' too, if there must be typecasting .. Feb 20 15:29:47 some better than othrs. Feb 20 15:30:37 PaulFertser: I think hackers should spend more time trying to think about how to make the world a better place than on just their shiny piece of code. Feb 20 15:31:27 hackers make the world go mad, dude. Feb 20 15:31:34 if it wasn't for hackers we wouldn't have had the bomb. Feb 20 15:31:40 do not kid yourself. Feb 20 15:32:06 bricode: imho helping Android doesn't help to make world a better place... Feb 20 15:32:18 it if wasn't for hackers we wouldn't have much of anything actually... Feb 20 15:32:26 Android is less evil than some other phone platforms. Feb 20 15:32:33 torpor: true, that's why Taosisms advices agains knowledge. Feb 20 15:33:45 PaulFertser: Maybe not. But even if you consider that by having Android on this phone, they can increase productio volume, which lowers the cost for other hackers, and ensures sustainability of OM to continue to produce open phones. Feb 20 15:34:43 torpor: btw, i think that russian "hackers" made the bomb to help peace, not war. Feb 20 15:35:21 bricode: hm, you got me on that one, i admit. Feb 20 15:36:27 torpor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov Feb 20 16:02:27 panicking: how's you project going? :) Have you solved muxer problems? Feb 20 16:03:21 The muxer is the second problem. Android ril miss a lot of basic service Feb 20 16:03:25 so I try to implement Feb 20 16:03:29 one by one Feb 20 16:03:56 Now I have a truble with the voice. Yestarday happen to me, today does't happen Feb 20 16:04:06 I see... Too bad google didn't insist strong enough that more components should be free... Feb 20 16:04:11 but I have other user with the sam probelm Feb 20 16:04:19 What problem? Feb 20 16:04:34 Do you whant an opion on goolge code Feb 20 16:04:35 ? Feb 20 16:04:44 android code? Feb 20 16:05:20 If you're asking if i want to hear your opinion about google's code, then yes, sure, i'd like to hear what you think about it. Feb 20 16:05:34 google code is orrible Feb 20 16:05:42 the layer hardware is ugly Feb 20 16:05:51 the rild process and the ril code Feb 20 16:05:55 is orrible Feb 20 16:06:15 They have SoftMixer Feb 20 16:06:22 for volume Feb 20 16:06:31 mediaserver take 20% of the cputime Feb 20 16:06:32 for music Feb 20 16:06:53 The code style is bad Feb 20 16:07:04 tab, space, tab+space Feb 20 16:07:21 On the other (rather large) hand. Feb 20 16:07:27 It's a functional phone stack. Feb 20 16:07:30 Pretty-much. Feb 20 16:08:56 I don't find an open discussion on patch Feb 20 16:09:00 propose of change Feb 20 16:09:21 The freerunner mailing list Feb 20 16:09:50 is not used by the developer Feb 20 16:11:05 panicking: (horrible google code) i see... Good luck to you, patience and the force to hack around all that google "features". Wish you your next project will be more fun to work with. Feb 20 16:26:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * re31e0105a7da 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/multiplexer.vala src/server.vala): Feb 20 16:26:30 freesmartphone.org: * Added sending v24 data bytes on virtual channel from host -> module. Feb 20 16:26:30 freesmartphone.org: * Changed dbus test command signature to 'ay' (array of bytes), Feb 20 16:26:30 freesmartphone.org: since test commands can embed null-bytes. Feb 20 16:34:33 PaulFertser: interessting discussion you had about distros, differnt types of users and how to develop in this scenario. Some years ago I had the same discussion with Linux Distros, Linux User-Types, and how/where to develop software. It sounds all soo familiar... Feb 20 16:35:14 <|Marco|> have any of you managed to fix the no-boot-blackscreen-after-upgrade in SHR ? Feb 20 16:35:27 Hi Feb 20 16:35:36 I have a question to all SHR users Feb 20 16:35:44 are you able to receive calls? Feb 20 16:35:49 i am not Feb 20 16:35:51 <|Marco|> baba_melone: I am Feb 20 16:36:07 <|Marco|> have you flashed your gsm chip yet ? Feb 20 16:36:10 the phone wont stop vibrating and i hear nothing and a cant say anything Feb 20 16:36:23 is flashing it necessary? Feb 20 16:36:23 <|Marco|> aah, that Feb 20 16:36:39 <|Marco|> well.. usually that's a lag or something Feb 20 16:36:46 stra: the life hasn't changed a lot, just GNU/Linux distros become more common among regular users. Is it a gain or a loss i don't know. Feb 20 16:36:59 <|Marco|> baba_melone: well, no Feb 20 16:37:09 |Marco| : I get this regularly Feb 20 16:37:14 stra: and now we have a very similar situation with FR as was with "mainline" GNU/Linux some years ago. Feb 20 16:37:28 baba_melone: latest SHR unstable? Feb 20 16:37:30 I have never successfully received a call Feb 20 16:37:45 think so Feb 20 16:37:49 dunno if latest Feb 20 16:38:01 <|Marco|> opkg update and opkg upgrade? Feb 20 16:38:06 baba_melone: but it's unstable version, are you sure on that one? Feb 20 16:38:06 but i have just run opkg upgrade Feb 20 16:38:08 k Feb 20 16:38:14 <|Marco|> okay Feb 20 16:38:20 wait a moment Feb 20 16:38:26 i willl look at the feeds Feb 20 16:39:10 yeah Feb 20 16:39:13 its unstable Feb 20 16:39:16 not testing Feb 20 16:39:44 i am sure about that now Feb 20 16:40:08 baba_melone: i advice you to flash the latest image. Upgrading is known not to work from some some versions to some others. As you don't know what image do you use, better reflash. Feb 20 16:42:49 well i know what image im using now Feb 20 16:42:51 Don't want to spam the channel, but i've written down my thoughts about usability in current freerunner software.. http://linmob.blogspot.com/2009/02/thoughts-on-usabilty-on-freerunner.html Feb 20 16:43:04 its the one from january the 29th Feb 20 16:44:39 p3t3r__: it's not tracked by planet.openmoko.org? Feb 20 16:45:21 no, actually not. Feb 20 16:45:39 just have my openmoko gta02 for a week today Feb 20 16:48:15 henk: I did write earlier about OpenMoko (as I have been trying to follow the project since I first heard of it (I guess this was in early 2007 or so)), but as I hadn't a device being part of the planet didn't make sense, and i still doubt that it would do right now, as i am no developer, more an advanced user who tries to be informed and thinks about what could be done better Feb 20 16:55:41 p3t3r__: which could be interesting for developers or other advanced users, so i think it belongs on planet. but it is your decision of course :) Feb 20 16:58:14 henk: well.. it would be nice to be added to the planet, i am not against it, so if you're the one to add blogs to the planet - and if you think that my blog is ok to be added, i am not against it Feb 20 17:00:24 PaulFertser: exactly, at least for myself, i made my descition and will make an app for freesmartphone, sticking to one distribution (om). I wonder if we will see anything like UnitedLinux coming up as UnitedOM in some time :-) Feb 20 17:16:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r2505336c7886 10/src/multiplexer.vala: send '!SHUTDOWN' message to higher layers and close logical channel, if we got instructed to do so from the modem side Feb 20 17:19:08 PaulFertser_: isn't a term-(etc)signal to parent propagated to child processes? Feb 20 17:27:34 p3t3r__: nice post :) Feb 20 17:31:14 Hey there ! Anyone here tested recording a voice conversation on GTA01/02 ? Feb 20 17:35:59 mirko-paroli: thanks :) Feb 20 17:40:28 ashbert: should work. need teaked statefile though Feb 20 17:46:05 joerg: I tried the voice state file on openmoko wiki ... it didnt work for me though Feb 20 17:46:09 do you have one that works ? Feb 20 17:47:35 http://wildsau.enemy.org/~moko/voice-recording.state Feb 20 17:48:58 ashbert: wait a minue. I got a mail from Arhuaco today (iirc), telling about a functioning statefile for recording mic Feb 20 17:49:53 joerg_42: I have an entry in my TODO list to update the wiki to reflect that. I'm sorry I haven't updated it yet.... Feb 20 17:50:03 anyway I dunno whether there is a statefile suitable for recording a call exactly Feb 20 17:50:43 hey Arhuaco :-) could you take over? Feb 20 17:51:03 joerg_42:it should be voip-handset.state .... Feb 20 17:51:13 :-) Feb 20 17:51:23 I somehow found it today with google... Feb 20 17:51:28 Arhuaco: were you able to record a voice conversation with that ? Feb 20 17:51:40 I don't know where the Good version is supposed to be. Feb 20 17:51:43 ashbert, yes. Feb 20 17:51:54 ashbert, it works well. Feb 20 17:52:00 and did you use arecord to record while the call was on ? Feb 20 17:52:07 Arhuaco: need detailled URL. there's lots of screwed up statefiles around out there Feb 20 17:52:08 ashbert, no. Feb 20 17:52:16 oh , then ? Feb 20 17:52:37 joerg_42: Ok, let's ask for it on the same ticket that reports the bug because I kind of forgot about that issue... Ok? Feb 20 17:53:50 * joerg_42 thinks statefiles' actual status as well as the whole concept is FUBAR Feb 20 17:53:58 ashbert, I don't know. This is pretty beyond my knowledge now and all I can do is wait for the people that are looking and it and help them if I can with something. For instance, starting with something easy as updating the wiki so that we stop misleading people whit this issue. Feb 20 17:54:11 s/and it/at it/ Feb 20 17:54:11 Arhuaco meant: ashbert, I don't know. This is pretty beyond my knowledge now and all I can do is wait for the people that are looking at it and help them if I can with something. For instance, starting with something easy as updating the wiki so that we stop misleading ... Feb 20 17:55:01 Arhuaco: can you post the link here ? Feb 20 17:55:11 where you got the file that works for you Feb 20 17:55:25 statefile fixing at large won't work no f***ng way Feb 20 17:56:11 joerg_42: I don't really know. All what I can do know if tell you the name of the state file, and in the mean time ask in the ticket to the ones that know better to tell us where the good file is. Feb 20 17:56:35 s/know if/now is/ Feb 20 17:56:35 Arhuaco meant: joerg_42: I don't really know. All what I can do now is tell you the name of the state file, and in the mean time ask in the ticket to the ones that know better to tell us where the good file is. Feb 20 17:56:43 I am really sleepy now, I'm sorry for the typos. Feb 20 17:57:20 there are too many screwed files that worked on Gta02A5 preproduction only e.g. Feb 20 17:57:36 hmm Feb 20 17:57:40 joerg_42: I know, I'm sure you know better about that. Feb 20 17:57:45 in the end you asked the right guy this moment ;-) Feb 20 17:57:55 yup Feb 20 17:58:38 Arhuaco: (typos) np :) me just awaking, same amount of typos anyway Feb 20 17:58:38 joerg_42: In any case I think it really, really makes sense to put this in the relevant ticket. I'll just to it. If we leave this on IRC it will get lost forever. Feb 20 17:59:03 100% ACK Feb 20 18:00:15 Please check for me being in CC of the ticket, otherwise ping me :-) Feb 20 18:00:31 joerg_42: Ok. What is your nick on trac? Feb 20 18:00:42 joerg? Feb 20 18:00:47 at om Feb 20 18:02:03 thanks anyway guys .. i Feb 20 18:02:43 ashbert: not much of a help so far. sorry for that Feb 20 18:03:20 alsa state files is really "work in *progress*" just this moment Feb 20 18:03:42 well atleast i know things maynot work only becoz of my changes alone :p Feb 20 18:04:06 wait a minute... Feb 20 18:10:16 ashbert: sorry really can't find the right pointer for you ATM. As I said: statefile situation is FUBAR Feb 20 18:10:40 ok np Feb 20 18:10:53 i'll keep at it .. if i find any leads .. i'll be back here to update Feb 20 18:11:41 ashbert: I'm willing to help you tweak your gsmhandset.state to enable recording Feb 20 18:11:58 awesome Feb 20 18:12:21 so far, ive diff'd the capture headset and gsmhandset files and added stuff to gsmhandset Feb 20 18:12:35 good approach Feb 20 18:12:42 but things didnt work .. Feb 20 18:12:47 so what's missing? Feb 20 18:13:03 are you going to be online for sometime ? Feb 20 18:13:09 i gtg for a bit Feb 20 18:13:15 yup probably Feb 20 18:13:17 be back in an hour Feb 20 18:13:29 late for class already :] Feb 20 18:13:31 basicly I'm always around here Feb 20 18:13:38 np Feb 20 18:13:38 cool Feb 20 18:13:40 i'll ping Feb 20 18:13:45 go ahead Feb 20 18:16:09 joerg_42, ashbert: Updated #2073 ... Feb 20 18:16:17 :-) Feb 20 18:17:59 * Arhuaco is very sleep and will fall soon. Feb 20 18:18:15 s/very sleep/very sleepy/ Feb 20 18:18:18 whatever.... Feb 20 18:24:58 <|Marco|> has there been any observations on strange screen jitters on SHR ? Feb 20 18:25:18 <|Marco|> s/on/of Feb 20 19:19:22 hello, i needs some help for flashing for use my usim 3G PF AC (sorry for my poor english) I use this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing but my cursor is flashing at the right of (reset target). what do i do ? Feb 20 19:20:47 liroux: follow the wiki, you should power on modem according to instructions now Feb 20 19:32:07 what is the way of building a toolchain? for the a780? Feb 20 19:34:47 liroux: btw, while you're at it, i suggest you to flash moko11beta, not moko10. Feb 20 19:37:48 ok Feb 20 19:41:19 ok. I opened the second ssh connection, and copy/pasted the command line. (to turn the modem back on) Feb 20 19:41:36 it doesnt appear to be doing the rest... Feb 20 19:44:02 when I do "echo "AT@POFF" >/dev/ttySAC0" I have to wait for a while, is this normal ? Feb 20 19:45:49 liroux: you can skip this line anyway Feb 20 19:46:01 ok Feb 20 19:46:25 no go Feb 20 19:49:10 I only appear to be able to get to the Bootloader: (reset target) stage Feb 20 20:00:06 this worked FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -b 115200 -f $HOME/gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-moko10.m0 Feb 20 20:00:20 will flash version 11 now Feb 20 20:06:24 ah, doesn't work... wtf... Feb 20 20:09:11 liroux: ROM bootloader always works Feb 20 20:09:16 hmm. mebbe it doesn't work when a sim is in place Feb 20 20:09:27 liroux: yes, better to take it out Feb 20 20:14:45 appears to work only once per boot or something Feb 20 20:16:27 liroux: power_on sysfs node is bugged, so yes, it can somehow influence that. Feb 20 20:16:46 I flashed with a sim Feb 20 20:16:52 in Feb 20 20:16:59 vininim: i too Feb 20 20:17:03 ROM bootloader though Feb 20 20:17:05 vininim: but to be on the safe side... Feb 20 20:17:38