**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 22 02:59:57 2009 Feb 22 03:14:11 I just installed SHR unstable. ophonekitd doesn't run. Feb 22 03:14:17 It runs, but dies. Feb 22 03:14:22 Says SIM isn't unlocked. Feb 22 03:15:58 SHR testing worked just fine. Feb 22 03:16:20 Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Feb 22 03:24:59 i have had many inconsistencies installing shr Feb 22 03:33:09 So.... Can I fix it, or do I flash back to Testing? Feb 22 04:40:53 cant seem to make shr work with any latest kernels Feb 22 05:43:40 #openmoko-cdevel Feb 22 06:35:35 anyone else have the midori icon missing on shr? Feb 22 06:45:01 on first install yes, but after opkg update/upgrade it fixed itself Feb 22 07:05:12 hi. is there a preferred sofware to make a contribution to openstreetmaps as easy as possible? Feb 22 07:17:07 is ssh not in shr? Feb 22 07:17:12 as in an sshd Feb 22 08:29:45 I was attracted to shr because good power management is very important to me Feb 22 08:29:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Power Feb 22 08:30:30 I know I don't want Gentoo, and I think Android isn't quite ready yet with respect to the keyboard (or at least that's what I've heard?) Feb 22 08:30:49 What will give me reliable telephony with good power management? Feb 22 08:33:38 Also, can I use Qi with no microSD card? Feb 22 08:33:47 And do 16GB microSD cards work? Feb 22 08:34:56 lymeca: yes, Qi can be used without uSD card Feb 22 08:35:03 Good Feb 22 08:35:08 I think I want to upgrade to Qi Feb 22 08:35:16 Not sure what I want to put on top of it. Feb 22 08:35:22 I'm using a really old FDOM Feb 22 08:35:32 I installed it back in November I think. Feb 22 08:35:33 lymeca: and yes, 16Gb are supposed to be working, there were some reports. But cards can be different, you know. Feb 22 08:35:46 Aye Feb 22 08:37:35 Digital_Pioneer: please file a bug that includes ophonekitd output (ogsmd DEBUG output may be handy as well). Feb 22 09:13:10 people, how know why Fr on new 2.6.28 kernels doesn't recognize under XP/Vista? It is able only under 2.6.24? Feb 22 09:14:54 elserpiente: because all xp users are not motivated enough to fix it. Feb 22 09:16:13 i'm simple don't know how thats why i'm asking :) Feb 22 09:16:26 elserpiente: read what upstream maintainer wrote: http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=123507198413197&w=2 Feb 22 09:16:35 thanks Feb 22 09:18:42 elserpiente: my guess is that if one enables a debug in s3c-udc driver it can help too. Feb 22 09:20:17 so i must patch kernel source... Feb 22 09:20:44 elserpiente: one line doesn't count Feb 22 09:21:20 where is s3c-udc lie? Feb 22 09:23:45 is it header? found s3c-udc.h Feb 22 09:23:53 elserpiente: drivers/usb/gadget/s3c2410_udc.c Feb 22 09:24:26 which line Feb 22 09:24:31 #define DEBUG_NORMAL 1 Feb 22 09:24:31 #define DEBUG_VERBOSE 2 Feb 22 09:25:11 hello Feb 22 09:25:17 hi Feb 22 09:25:41 elserpiente: you don't even need to patch the source, it's in Kconfig (config USB_S3C2410_DEBUG). Just choose all possible debugging messages with menuconfig Feb 22 09:25:56 can anyone make fix http://neverball.org/ to run with openmoko neo freerunner accelometer ? Feb 22 09:26:34 PaulFertser_ : is it fix that issue? Feb 22 09:27:12 elserpiente: enabling debug fixes absence of debug messages. Debug log might help somebody to fix the issue. Feb 22 09:28:02 i see :) Feb 22 09:28:49 elserpiente: probably if you post a followup to the message i gave you a link with this debug log, you might get more hints from the upstream maintainer. Feb 22 11:44:20 how can I enable 100mA charging in shr-unstable? Feb 22 12:02:56 morning xD Feb 22 12:06:48 * SpeedEvil checks. Feb 22 12:06:50 Afternoon. Feb 22 12:14:48 heyloo pips Feb 22 12:16:02 However - the walls are 50-60cm stone/brick, 5cm air, and plasterboard. Feb 22 12:16:03 oops Feb 22 12:17:08 hey there Speed Feb 22 12:17:26 you building a house? Feb 22 12:17:38 No. Feb 22 12:17:44 My house at the moment has Feb 22 12:17:50 However - the walls are 50-60cm stone/brick, 5cm air, and plasterboard. Feb 22 12:17:58 And the floor is just suspended wood over sand. Hence - not much insulation. Feb 22 12:18:04 I'm renovating. Feb 22 12:18:17 I sea Feb 22 12:18:25 Which is taking OM related time and budget :/ Feb 22 12:18:40 :o Feb 22 12:18:43 lemme ask you. which distro are you using on yours? Feb 22 12:18:44 bad thing =( Feb 22 12:18:53 yeah, tell us Feb 22 12:19:07 No GTA02 ATM. See above. Feb 22 12:19:10 or rather, which kernel would be the most stable for 2008.12? Feb 22 12:19:15 gotcha Feb 22 12:20:17 my FR stopped charging the batt and accessing gsm after a day running SHR lite+andy-moredrivers Feb 22 12:20:35 think I might go back to 2008.12 if it works with qi Feb 22 12:21:05 :D Feb 22 12:21:10 Dave !!!!! Feb 22 12:21:24 2-3m radius, and 20m length Feb 22 12:21:26 oops Feb 22 12:21:30 haha Feb 22 12:21:42 Dave! I wanna have your baby! Feb 22 12:22:04 SpeedEvil, that's a really big **** Feb 22 12:22:29 real* Feb 22 12:22:31 Alas, I was describing the hemicylindrical isothermal sand under my house. Feb 22 12:22:45 Alas? Feb 22 12:23:16 ah, dictionay Feb 22 12:23:20 +r Feb 22 12:23:32 can I just ask what boot/kernel/rootfs combo you guys are using? Feb 22 12:23:39 I'm sick of flashing every other week Feb 22 12:24:19 for the moment, uboot + 2008.12 release kernel and rootfs Feb 22 12:24:44 and did you manage to use an illume keyb with that? Feb 22 12:24:54 nope Feb 22 12:25:03 haven't tried Feb 22 12:25:09 ...or cancel out the dictionary? Feb 22 12:25:30 you know, character per one touch Feb 22 12:26:05 ah, you're not english? =) Feb 22 12:26:12 nope Feb 22 12:26:15 American Feb 22 12:26:28 but it can get iffy when using the terminal Feb 22 12:26:31 I meant, you're not using english Feb 22 12:26:38 haha, yeah Feb 22 12:27:08 because last time I tried that flashing, I couldn't shut the damn word completion off Feb 22 12:27:39 heh Feb 22 12:27:46 can you? Feb 22 12:27:56 nope Feb 22 12:28:03 :P Feb 22 12:28:10 nuts to it all Feb 22 12:28:19 but maybe I can read a little.. and then shut it off Feb 22 12:28:57 I tried a friend's iPhone today. it's response within the system software is uncanny Feb 22 12:29:18 its# Feb 22 12:29:21 * Fougner looks up uncanny in a dictionary.. Feb 22 12:29:34 that's the type of speed and smoothness that should be strived to here Feb 22 12:29:46 it takes forever to change profiles in shr Feb 22 12:29:50 smoothness is optional. Feb 22 12:29:55 uncanny=amazing Feb 22 12:29:56 At least initially Feb 22 12:30:00 right Feb 22 12:30:02 snappy is just fine Feb 22 12:30:10 I agree Feb 22 12:30:21 that's why I like the OM stack so much Feb 22 12:30:27 haha, the dictionary says uncanny = scary, spooky Feb 22 12:30:41 Fougner: also unbelievable Feb 22 12:30:50 right Feb 22 12:30:55 depends on context Feb 22 12:31:12 yeah, but I translated it back from swedish =) Feb 22 12:31:22 overraskert Feb 22 12:31:25 ? Feb 22 12:31:33 ? Feb 22 12:31:39 or does that mean 'surprised' Feb 22 12:31:48 överraskad Feb 22 12:31:56 right Feb 22 12:32:00 :) Feb 22 12:32:17 I'm jealous... Feb 22 12:32:22 of... Feb 22 12:32:46 you guys don't have to learn a second language.. you'll be doing just fine speaking english basically all over the world Feb 22 12:33:01 I always feel guilty about that Feb 22 12:33:07 xD Feb 22 12:33:24 well, you shouldn't Feb 22 12:33:40 that people go through grade school English to talk to ignorant Americans like me Feb 22 12:34:01 but if you say so... Feb 22 12:34:02 grade school ? Feb 22 12:34:12 anyone familiar with the powermngt settings in SHR? Feb 22 12:34:19 3rd through 7th usually Feb 22 12:34:24 sure, stra Feb 22 12:34:34 but not completely Feb 22 12:34:35 badcloud, what age? Feb 22 12:34:38 im getting confused what all the settings mean Feb 22 12:34:42 is there any documentation? Feb 22 12:34:50 hmmm, 9-14 Feb 22 12:35:02 good question, stra Feb 22 12:35:21 tried google/openmoko's wiki? Feb 22 12:35:28 yeah Feb 22 12:35:30 well, actually we begin to learn english in first grade. from the age of 7 Feb 22 12:35:50 *from first grade ? Feb 22 12:36:00 badcloud, you know how to disable the pwr mngt ? Feb 22 12:36:18 no Feb 22 12:36:19 sorry Feb 22 12:36:33 idle_dim and idle setting seem to have no effect Feb 22 12:36:38 look at http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Customize Feb 22 12:36:49 yeah, I tried that too Feb 22 12:37:10 couldn't read fbreader for more than 10 seconds without the screen fading Feb 22 12:37:39 Power management ¶ You can adjust parameters in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/profiles/default.yaml Feb 22 12:38:00 thanks, i will have a look Feb 22 12:38:03 badcloud: have you tried updating your shr-setting and taking a look at the new "powe rmanagement" there? Feb 22 12:38:42 actually no, but that's at the end of my list. I can't charge or access my sim card Feb 22 12:38:54 (charge the battery) Feb 22 12:39:20 plus I can't stand how slow shr's settings is Feb 22 12:39:37 I can do for less options in exchange for some response time Feb 22 12:40:00 plus most of the things are doable via terminal Feb 22 12:40:02 so... Feb 22 12:40:13 yeah, why is everything so slow in the FR? :O Feb 22 12:40:27 I'd like it to be fast as a normal phone :D Feb 22 12:40:33 Fougner: software Feb 22 12:40:38 well, I think it depends on which distro you're using Feb 22 12:41:01 I've tried a lot, but all of them are slow in some way Feb 22 12:41:09 so far I've tried OM 2008.12 and shr (+lite) Feb 22 12:41:10 Fougner: the FR is as fast as a P200 with an ISA video card. Feb 22 12:41:22 OM is fine Feb 22 12:41:22 pentium 200MHz? Feb 22 12:41:26 yes. Feb 22 12:41:32 qi speeds things up in general Feb 22 12:41:41 haha Feb 22 12:41:49 that's not very cool =( Feb 22 12:42:14 you can still do quite a lot with that hardware Feb 22 12:42:15 at least the SHR settings app schould be fast, since it it really simple. No need for cpu intense tasks. Feb 22 12:42:26 yeah of course Feb 22 12:42:37 oh, it's totally a resource waster Feb 22 12:43:05 I think the problem is the graphical system, like Enlightenment? Feb 22 12:43:30 I think you might be onto something Feb 22 12:43:35 ^^ Feb 22 12:43:37 but shoudnt englightement be "the" light and fast graphics system? Feb 22 12:43:38 there should be a distro that looks crappy Feb 22 12:43:51 like the old black and white macs Feb 22 12:44:39 that's where gentoo debian, etc. come in handy Feb 22 12:44:45 stra, yes, but E is year 2000 software, and the FR compares to 1990 computer :I Feb 22 12:44:58 good point Feb 22 12:45:00 I was told that the thing that makes shr-settings slow is dbus Feb 22 12:45:01 enlightnment has a lot of png graphics to show, that makes it so slow Feb 22 12:45:35 turning on an of settings needs lot of time because of dbus Feb 22 12:45:40 its not png by the time it gets there Feb 22 12:45:46 its compiled into .edj files in a different format Feb 22 12:45:58 raster, right :) Feb 22 12:45:59 dbus calls are not asynchronicous with GUI Feb 22 12:46:08 it's surprisingly swift if you actually look at the platform Feb 22 12:46:26 try enlightenment own config dialogs Feb 22 12:46:34 or try elementary-test Feb 22 12:46:42 (the elementary test app - testign efl) Feb 22 12:46:51 slowness will be proportional to the complexity of stuff to draw Feb 22 12:46:55 and how many pixels to draw Feb 22 12:46:59 scrolling == drawing Feb 22 12:47:03 oh my.. Feb 22 12:47:19 so scrolling a fullscreen list == redraw the whole screen Feb 22 12:47:31 I love how nice scummvm runs on OM Feb 22 12:47:31 redraw is slow mostly thanks to glamo's slow bus Feb 22 12:47:38 partly due to a slow cpu and ram bus Feb 22 12:47:47 okaaay Feb 22 12:47:57 we need more hardware!! Feb 22 12:47:59 :D Feb 22 12:48:03 i am impressed by the speed that you can switch between apps Feb 22 12:48:03 always Feb 22 12:48:05 or better at least Feb 22 12:48:11 also the illume settings are fast Feb 22 12:48:19 scummvm is a fairly bad comparson Feb 22 12:48:24 so, i dont see a reason for the shr settings to be so slow Feb 22 12:48:26 are you kidding, stra? Feb 22 12:48:31 it renders most stuff at a low bitdepth in a low res internal buffer Feb 22 12:48:32 ohhhh, illume Feb 22 12:48:41 nm, stra Feb 22 12:48:41 and without much alpha blending, stretching or anything interesting Feb 22 12:48:46 i'm impressed by the scrolling speed of qtextended Feb 22 12:48:55 I know, but it's still cool, raster Feb 22 12:48:59 raster, that's the cause also for showing video? Feb 22 12:49:01 GTA03, featuring ARM 1.8GHz, 512MB DDR3 RAM, Feb 22 12:49:04 very different kettle of fish Feb 22 12:49:05 :D Feb 22 12:49:07 even thought the graphics are what, 8 bit? Feb 22 12:49:41 hi, has anyone here successfully run pygame on SHR before? Feb 22 12:49:51 I keep getting "pygame.error: No video mode large enough for 480x640" Feb 22 12:49:53 GTA03, featuring ARM 1.8GHz, 512MB DDR3 RAM, 2seconds battery life time? :p Feb 22 12:50:04 hahaha Feb 22 12:50:04 03 has an integrated GPU Feb 22 12:50:10 into the SoC Feb 22 12:50:13 things are _lots_ better Feb 22 12:50:14 Zorkman, we'll need a biiig battery Feb 22 12:50:32 laptop bat with usb encasing Feb 22 12:50:38 uhm. yeah Feb 22 12:50:50 every GTA03 owner, will need a backpack Feb 22 12:50:56 and solarcells Feb 22 12:51:00 it'll be like the good ol' days when portable phones weren't so portable Feb 22 12:51:45 well, at least we can run E on without lag :D Feb 22 12:51:47 one thing which wasn't that good for me in OM was battery life Feb 22 12:52:01 yeah, horrible Feb 22 12:52:02 I think it barely lasted a day Feb 22 12:52:15 whereas in shr, almost two Feb 22 12:52:16 SpeedEvil: you may be... surprised :) Feb 22 12:52:36 and seriously - its not big Feb 22 12:52:38 I think it depends on the open thingy in the FR Feb 22 12:52:45 the 6410 isnt any more hungry than 2442+glamo Feb 22 12:52:47 open thingie? Feb 22 12:52:47 raster, HOW do you knooow? Feb 22 12:52:55 i have a 6410 phone in front of me Feb 22 12:53:09 Fougner: because i have stuff well ahead of what om has :) Feb 22 12:53:12 (the same hw) Feb 22 12:53:17 (well same soc) Feb 22 12:53:22 with an even higher res screen Feb 22 12:53:28 raster: surprised in a good way? Feb 22 12:53:31 :) Feb 22 12:53:34 SpeedEvil: no. Feb 22 12:53:35 :) Feb 22 12:53:42 badcloud, yeah, FR is open phone you know? all components is separate and stuff.. all the big companys make their stuff in closed IC ? Feb 22 12:53:51 raster: I figure at absolute worst, it's got a fast framebuffer. Feb 22 12:53:57 raster: anything else is gravy. Feb 22 12:54:03 raster: isn't elementary themeable? Feb 22 12:54:20 sure, I know. I just didn't understand in what connection you're mentioning this Feb 22 12:54:30 badcloud, batterylife Feb 22 12:54:35 oh Feb 22 12:54:46 SpeedEvil: oh hell yeah. Feb 22 12:54:50 the fb is in sysyetm ram Feb 22 12:54:56 u can do 32bpp too Feb 22 12:55:07 software rendering is "Acceptable" Feb 22 12:55:12 I think the FR's drains more battery because there's a lot of components.. big companys make it all integrated. Feb 22 12:55:19 even with more pixels than the gta03 will have (or gta02 - same screen on both) Feb 22 12:55:30 and thats evas rendering - testing elementary and stuff Feb 22 12:55:40 its still maybe 1/2 the power of an omap3 system Feb 22 12:55:45 so stil behind that curve Feb 22 12:55:46 FR drains lots of battery as much powersaving stuff is unimplemented Feb 22 12:56:01 Heinervdm: elementary is perfectly themable :) Feb 22 12:56:24 SpeedEvil, so nothing to do with my closed/open components theory? Feb 22 12:56:36 Fougner: not especially Feb 22 12:56:37 raster: so one can make a very simple theme that's faster on the gta02 Feb 22 12:56:51 you can Feb 22 12:56:59 tho you will still have not a great speedup Feb 22 12:57:08 its still rendering in 32bpp internally Feb 22 12:57:13 converting to 16bpp on display Feb 22 12:57:16 baah Feb 22 12:57:17 unless u use the 16bpp enigne Feb 22 12:57:20 and thats also buggy Feb 22 12:57:24 gah Feb 22 12:57:33 ok Feb 22 12:57:34 as it has only ever been used to do a subset of what evas does Feb 22 12:57:52 raster, isn't 32bpp overkill for the FR then? Feb 22 12:57:57 possibly Feb 22 12:58:02 but thats the rendering engine for evas Feb 22 12:58:15 the reason it can look so good even with software Feb 22 12:58:29 hmm.. Feb 22 12:58:30 also it simplifies coding and support - only have to implement 1 depth for rendering routines Feb 22 12:58:36 convert only as a final step Feb 22 12:58:43 the 16bpp runs in 16bpp internally Feb 22 12:58:44 hmm, you're way out of my league.. xD Feb 22 12:58:44 its faster Feb 22 12:58:48 but it drops a lot of quality Feb 22 12:58:59 you can notice it.. a lot Feb 22 12:59:31 is there a webpage with different kernels (mwester, andy, etc)? Feb 22 13:00:16 badcloud, not what I've seen Feb 22 13:00:21 but heey Feb 22 13:00:32 kinda hard to find them Feb 22 13:00:46 what distros are you using on your desktop/laptop computers?? Feb 22 13:00:46 the gta02 will be afar cry faster than the gta02 Feb 22 13:00:49 like worlds Feb 22 13:00:58 debian Feb 22 13:00:58 the 6410 (cpu/soc/gpu etc.) in it is vaguely modern Feb 22 13:01:02 something "up to date" Feb 22 13:01:11 raster, the gta02 will be faster than the gta02? Feb 22 13:01:17 hmm :/ Feb 22 13:01:20 the gta02 is more like a pentium-200 Feb 22 13:01:33 where all the other phones companies are releasing are 3ghz core2 duos Feb 22 13:01:34 :) Feb 22 13:01:41 ok not quite that bad Feb 22 13:01:49 haha Feb 22 13:01:51 Hello, does anybody know whether I can load the standard kernel ( http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin ) with Qi? Feb 22 13:01:51 maybe a 500mhz p3 Feb 22 13:01:56 vs 3ghz core 2 du's Feb 22 13:01:59 duo's Feb 22 13:02:00 raster, what distro do you use on your computer? Feb 22 13:02:05 err i meant gta03 Feb 22 13:02:17 raster, yeah I figuread Feb 22 13:02:19 figured* Feb 22 13:02:23 but as such gta03 likely wont be so bleeding edge in many other ways Feb 22 13:02:25 but it will be open Feb 22 13:02:26 kW, I'm curious myself Feb 22 13:02:30 i use ubuntu Feb 22 13:02:33 ah Feb 22 13:02:41 you could always flash back to u-boot if it can't Feb 22 13:02:56 badcloud: well, that's not so easy Feb 22 13:02:58 SpeedEvil, what distro do you use? Feb 22 13:03:02 ? why not Feb 22 13:03:06 badcloud: I've successfully used Qi for booting newer kernels Feb 22 13:03:31 badcloud: and now I'm analyzing a bug and checking whether that bug appears in new and old kernels Feb 22 13:03:37 and none of them work well with 2008.12? Feb 22 13:03:47 which bug? Feb 22 13:03:52 badcloud, what theme do you use for your machine? Feb 22 13:04:02 fluxbox Feb 22 13:04:13 badcloud: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2217 Feb 22 13:05:50 yikes Feb 22 13:06:02 that looks arful, kW Feb 22 13:06:07 badcloud: yes, it is Feb 22 13:06:21 badcloud: apparently, Qi boots with the kernel 2.6.24, but only when a battery is inserted Feb 22 13:06:42 good to know Feb 22 13:07:32 I'll give it a whirl tonight and tell you my findings Feb 22 13:08:24 badcloud: thank you :-) Feb 22 13:08:56 why don't you want to try again? Feb 22 13:09:52 kW? Feb 22 13:10:02 badcloud, fluxbox? where can I find it? Feb 22 13:10:05 what's stopping you from trying? Feb 22 13:10:23 badcloud, his wife :O Feb 22 13:10:47 badcloud: you mean u-boot vs. qi? Feb 22 13:11:04 kW, probably Feb 22 13:11:04 I mean, kW, why not just flash the bootloader Feb 22 13:11:08 :) Feb 22 13:11:13 and then switch back if it doesn't load Feb 22 13:11:40 Fougner, http://fluxbox.org/download/ Feb 22 13:11:53 badcloud: well, this complicates things... because when I want to boot a newer kernel, I've to switch back to Qi ... but it looks like I won't have any option Feb 22 13:12:04 it's in the debian repo I think Feb 22 13:12:23 well, at any rate Feb 22 13:12:34 I'll try it around 21:00 CET Feb 22 13:12:58 oh, badcloud, I meant what theme you're using, not the desktop environment :) Feb 22 13:13:05 ohhh Feb 22 13:13:08 can't remember Feb 22 13:13:25 anyway, I'm on ubuntu and gnome Feb 22 13:14:02 but lately I've been a little angry at ubuntu, making stuff I don't want it to do.. f****** up my sound and stuff Feb 22 13:14:15 I think I chose one of the builtin themes provided by fluxbox Feb 22 13:14:26 so I'm thinking about wandering over to Debian Feb 22 13:14:41 what hardware are you running? Feb 22 13:15:12 toshiba laptop, AMD Turion 64 1.56GHz, 4GB RAM, ATI mobility radeon HD2400 Feb 22 13:15:20 noice Feb 22 13:15:21 something like that Feb 22 13:15:26 nice? :P Feb 22 13:15:32 Fougner: slackware Feb 22 13:15:39 I got a thinkpad r31 Feb 22 13:15:45 SpeedEvil, HEH! You're a real haxxor then Feb 22 13:15:55 Fougner: not on the GTA01. Feb 22 13:16:05 Fougner: though I did have a go compiling slackware on it. Feb 22 13:16:23 SpeedEvil, don't confuse me.. you're running slack on your normal computer.. Feb 22 13:16:27 well, I'm off Feb 22 13:16:29 yes Feb 22 13:16:36 badcloud, you're leaving? :( Feb 22 13:16:43 I could stick around Feb 22 13:16:52 did you want to ask something? Feb 22 13:17:26 IBM Thinkpad Feb 22 13:17:34 pentium III Feb 22 13:17:42 "where to buy, OfficeMax: $131.99" Feb 22 13:17:49 1.13 ghz Feb 22 13:17:51 it's that cheap? Feb 22 13:18:03 got me Feb 22 13:18:11 I bought mine 5 or so years ago Feb 22 13:18:14 ah Feb 22 13:18:15 ehhehe Feb 22 13:18:16 I c Feb 22 13:18:28 but it runs like a charm Feb 22 13:18:30 but badcloud , as I said I'm thinking about switching to Deb Feb 22 13:18:38 apart from s-video Feb 22 13:18:49 do you have compiz fusion in the repos? Feb 22 13:19:03 check to see if there are good wikis for your model Feb 22 13:19:15 (for installing a certain distro) Feb 22 13:19:29 unless you reaaaaally know your shit Feb 22 13:19:30 ah, well, I don't like that kind of stuff Feb 22 13:19:34 haha Feb 22 13:19:43 no; i'm not a real expert Feb 22 13:19:56 but installing debian shouldn't be hard Feb 22 13:20:06 sure Feb 22 13:20:13 it's quite straightforward Feb 22 13:20:18 you have installer cds Feb 22 13:20:19 and stable :D Feb 22 13:20:23 full and net Feb 22 13:20:38 ? Feb 22 13:21:09 http://www.debian.org/CD/ Feb 22 13:21:30 badcloud, I already have the debian 5.00 DVD on my server =) Feb 22 13:21:36 gud Feb 22 13:21:37 I'm thinking about burning it Feb 22 13:21:41 god? :O Feb 22 13:21:46 good Feb 22 13:21:48 xD Feb 22 13:21:54 gud = god in swedish Feb 22 13:21:58 ha Feb 22 13:22:00 xD Feb 22 13:22:10 but I should get a bite to eat Feb 22 13:22:13 be back in the evening Feb 22 13:22:16 laterz Feb 22 13:22:41 Kevin_Mitnick_-_Art_Of_Deception.torrent Feb 22 13:22:58 for conmen, or serial daters? Feb 22 13:23:02 or both Feb 22 13:23:05 ? Feb 22 13:23:10 conmen? Feb 22 13:23:13 you know, like that method man shit Feb 22 13:23:19 eh Feb 22 13:23:32 Kevin Mitnick is a hacker Feb 22 13:23:38 this is social engineering stuff Feb 22 13:23:44 =) Feb 22 13:23:45 rightttt Feb 22 13:23:47 forgot Feb 22 13:23:49 xD Feb 22 13:23:56 I remember reading about him ages ago Feb 22 13:24:08 so you're not so young? =) Feb 22 13:24:12 28 Feb 22 13:24:14 you? Feb 22 13:24:16 19 =) Feb 22 13:24:23 there you go Feb 22 13:24:26 toodles Feb 22 13:24:27 haha Feb 22 13:24:31 toodles? Feb 22 13:24:33 young whippersnappers Feb 22 13:24:37 toddlers Feb 22 13:24:44 english please? :P Feb 22 13:24:55 toddlers Feb 22 13:25:07 ahhh Feb 22 13:25:09 I se Feb 22 13:25:10 see Feb 22 13:25:17 I looked it up xD Feb 22 13:25:20 :) Feb 22 13:25:24 I'm not that young :O Feb 22 13:26:10 hey you guys get your drivers license when we still drives our mopeds Feb 22 13:26:11 not 19? Feb 22 13:26:16 19... toddler! Feb 22 13:26:17 :) Feb 22 13:26:19 nooo Feb 22 13:26:21 :| Feb 22 13:26:27 not toddler! Feb 22 13:26:33 relative to me - yes. Feb 22 13:26:39 * raster <- 33 Feb 22 13:26:45 gah Feb 22 13:27:01 hej raste Feb 22 13:27:04 hej raster Feb 22 13:27:12 wanna share some of your wisdom ? Feb 22 13:27:37 oh btw, raster do you know about a good place to learn linux from scratch.. like, how everything's working, how I can solve problems that appear? Feb 22 13:27:48 yeah, raster share your wisdom =) Feb 22 13:27:56 an ebook maybe? =) Feb 22 13:27:57 find /usr/man |xargs zless Feb 22 13:28:10 mirko-paroli: you have.. maybe 2 mins Feb 22 13:28:16 hehe Feb 22 13:28:18 SpeedEvil, you sure? Feb 22 13:28:18 before i go to snoozland Feb 22 13:28:35 raster: I want to disable the enlightenment (or illume) config dialog Feb 22 13:28:41 Fougner: dunn. i just poke around in stuff see how it works Feb 22 13:28:43 as it overrides my config Feb 22 13:28:45 writing code is a good way Feb 22 13:28:47 lots of it Feb 22 13:28:47 c Feb 22 13:28:54 none of this python molly-coddling Feb 22 13:29:01 I like c++ =) Feb 22 13:29:11 but I need to learn more of it in that case Feb 22 13:29:23 have to find a good C-book then Feb 22 13:29:37 raster: is there a way I can do that when building an image? Feb 22 13:30:04 mirko-paroli: no Feb 22 13:30:09 all modules are compiled Feb 22 13:30:15 config panel is a module Feb 22 13:30:17 disable it Feb 22 13:30:25 make your own config profiles Feb 22 13:30:26 :) Feb 22 13:30:31 raster: ah ok Feb 22 13:30:36 well I guess that helps :) Feb 22 13:30:39 it does actually Feb 22 13:30:41 thx Feb 22 13:30:42 :) Feb 22 13:31:56 Fougner: learn by writing things u may think are hard Feb 22 13:32:16 learn to do all those things u see apps do Feb 22 13:32:24 do it in c so u actually have to do the os system level stuff Feb 22 13:32:34 not al wrapped up behind 3234 layers of libs/abstraction Feb 22 13:32:37 and u'll learn Feb 22 13:32:38 :) Feb 22 13:33:15 well, the bad thing about that is, Im Feb 22 13:33:24 I'm afraid of doing it the wrong way Feb 22 13:33:41 then do it the wrong way Feb 22 13:33:43 figure it out Feb 22 13:33:45 make a mistake Feb 22 13:33:46 learn Feb 22 13:34:14 but maybe I should read just a little before starting out? Feb 22 13:34:21 bah Feb 22 13:34:25 read schmead Feb 22 13:34:26 :) Feb 22 13:34:29 read src Feb 22 13:34:30 schmead? Feb 22 13:34:33 want to know how it works Feb 22 13:34:36 find somehting that does it Feb 22 13:34:37 read it Feb 22 13:34:40 follow the breadcrumbs Feb 22 13:34:52 (nd that thing calls some other lib/func - follow that src) and so on Feb 22 13:34:53 raster, everyone learns different Feb 22 13:35:06 well thats how i did it Feb 22 13:35:10 you're asking me Feb 22 13:35:18 :)anyway Feb 22 13:35:20 snooz time Feb 22 13:35:29 let this egl demo run overnight - see where it ends up Feb 22 13:35:30 :) Feb 22 13:35:37 * raster snoozes Feb 22 13:35:43 night. Feb 22 13:35:58 Fougner: If you learn through reading, i can only suggest reading the original c++ book (The C++ Language), and then the book on writing beautiful code that was just released :) Feb 22 13:36:26 http://www.research.att.com/~bs/C++.html Feb 22 13:38:56 http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Architecture-Leading-Thinkers-Software/dp/059651798X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1235032618&sr=1-1 Feb 22 14:25:52 is there a place to download the pand precompiled for the openmoko? Feb 22 14:26:27 PaulFertser: Ahh, I'll get around to that eventually. :) Feb 22 14:29:00 Digital_Pioneer: hm, i've already forgot what i was talking about :) Feb 22 14:29:29 Digital_Pioneer: i see now, i know the lastlog command :) Feb 22 14:29:44 PaulFertser: Submit bug report about ophonekitd dying on SHR unstable. Feb 22 14:55:27 * rooly loves zhone Feb 22 15:02:53 surly not Feb 22 15:03:47 is it the theme on the fyp release? Feb 22 15:04:01 DarkStar Feb 22 15:18:54 raster, hello, you around :) ? Feb 22 15:32:58 how about changing the calculator in shr thats more readable for old people like me Feb 22 15:33:05 :) Feb 22 15:34:06 get rid of those bordered icons Feb 22 15:42:33 jc_, raster went so snoozland Feb 22 15:42:45 Fougner, thanks for the info :) Feb 22 17:45:17 reinstalling a kernel every couple of days is starting to suck Feb 22 18:10:43 hi. Feb 22 18:10:51 guys, today some shit happened. Feb 22 18:11:15 as i tried connecting the dboard's cable in the openmoko, i noticed that because I needed to bend the cable a little, it broke. Feb 22 18:11:28 umm. can I get a replacement for it from my vendor? Feb 22 18:12:31 dangit Feb 22 18:12:57 umm Feb 22 18:23:37 hello. anyone? Feb 22 18:27:01 hello Feb 22 18:41:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r2c99b0f317af 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): autogenerate .vapi file for this library Feb 22 18:49:00 hi, is there any news about the new xorg glamo drivers? Feb 22 18:49:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * ra78777543de4 10/src/ (consts.vala server.vala): Feb 22 18:49:18 freesmartphone.org: throw error if transport type is unsupported Feb 22 18:49:18 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Right now we only support PTY since we first need to get legacy fso-abyss running again. Feb 22 18:49:23 sylar91: you're best to look on the devel mailing list, you'll find most info there Feb 22 18:50:11 Elleo: I looked some days ago but I can't understand if there is a testing distribution or something to test them... Feb 22 18:50:33 sylar91: not that I know of, you need to build everything yourself if you want to play with it Feb 22 18:50:51 and if you're not planning on actually working on the driver it's probably not worth your effort at the moment Feb 22 18:51:36 Elleo: mmm I have read that everything is working at the moment except the xrandr extension... Feb 22 19:11:27 Elleo: everything? Feb 22 19:15:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r092fcf31f56a 10/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Feb 22 19:15:09 freesmartphone.org: rename src to gsm0710mux, autobuidling the vapi requires that the directory Feb 22 19:15:09 freesmartphone.org: has the same name as the (later) include directory Feb 22 19:17:23 this looks promising HMD (actually more than just display) (not yet available though): http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/products_wrap920av.html Feb 22 19:18:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r6ed342f83393 10/ (9 files in 2 dirs): catch up with project split (see ChangeLog) Feb 22 20:08:18 Hi there. In order to get gprs working under shr do I need to follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO? please Feb 22 20:09:10 faltantornillos, I would guess the FSO link but have not tried it, SHR uses FSO as a base Feb 22 20:09:58 ook, thx ;) Feb 22 20:15:38 PaulFertser: ping Feb 22 20:16:36 DocScrutinizer2: pong :) Feb 22 20:31:05 Hi all Feb 22 20:31:53 hi panicking Feb 22 20:32:31 panicking: Yo Feb 22 20:35:49 PaulFertser: Can I ask one question on AT+CHLD=1%d /* phone id call ?*/ Feb 22 20:36:12 Oh, i'm afraid i won't be able to answer :) ping mickey|cinema :) Feb 22 20:38:13 Is mickey|cinema still at the cinema? Must be an epic motion picture, then... :D Feb 22 20:38:16 panicking: i usually look at enfora's documentation for reference. Feb 22 20:38:26 Conceptual art, yes :) Feb 22 20:38:46 Thanks, but I don't know if it is calypso related, can you give me the link? Feb 22 20:38:57 I just find a workaround Feb 22 20:39:04 Perhaps someone made a movie out of Proust's work ... Feb 22 20:41:03 panicking: i look at http://www.enfora.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=258&User:LANGUAGE=zh , it has an ok description of most commands. Feb 22 20:41:12 panicking: +CHLD is not calypso-specific Feb 22 20:41:58 ok, sorry first a take a look at the documentation Feb 22 20:43:20 The good thing about this pdf is that it's searchable Feb 22 20:48:39 perfect Feb 22 20:50:17 hmm should I test shr-testing oder unstable hmm Feb 22 20:53:48 Serdar: unstable Feb 22 20:54:07 Serdar: testing is too old, current unstable will become testing soon Feb 22 20:55:07 sound's like debian, but in debian unstable does never change :) Feb 22 20:58:44 PaulFertser: unstable is teh broken right now :) Feb 22 20:58:55 lindi-: how come? Feb 22 20:59:03 'apt-get source libdrm-dev' sanoo 'E: Unable to find Feb 22 20:59:05 a source package for libdrm' Feb 22 20:59:11 s/sanoo/says/ Feb 22 20:59:51 hmm, wrong bug Feb 22 21:00:22 ignore those lines :) Feb 22 21:03:12 heyaz Feb 22 21:05:17 lindi-: do you need hcidump of working SCO (on my laptop)? Feb 22 21:05:31 PaulFertser: would be cool Feb 22 21:05:41 lindi-: http://pastebin.com/m6046adf6 and http://pastebin.com/mf9e09ef Feb 22 21:05:46 PaulFertser: ideally we should have a repository of those dumps somewhere Feb 22 21:06:26 PaulFertser: hmm, all those data packets have just zeroes? Feb 22 21:06:47 lindi-: not all Feb 22 21:06:54 well, most Feb 22 21:08:18 lindi-: btw, i haven't managed to get any sound over HCI on FR yet :( probably that's a problem of unknown configuration key in firmware. Feb 22 21:19:20 lindi-: btw, did you know that gsm reset sysfs node has no effect on GTA02? ;) Feb 22 21:22:04 hi, anybody know how to set up emulation of the gta02 on linux? Feb 22 21:29:20 s_k: what's your goal? Feb 22 21:29:55 I want to emulate the freerunner so I can test the various distributions until my own unit arrives Feb 22 21:30:07 and to do some developement as well when I get the time Feb 22 21:31:31 funny, i had exactly the same thoughts last summer Feb 22 21:32:11 hello whats the channel for android Feb 22 21:32:34 cool, irc up again Feb 22 21:32:49 tony_: freerunnner-android Feb 22 21:32:58 freerunner-android Feb 22 21:33:00 sorry Feb 22 21:33:12 lindi, so what did you do? I have tried to get qemu and openembedded to work, but none seem to play nice :( Feb 22 21:33:14 ppanicking: thanks! Feb 22 21:33:38 s_k: http://iki.fi/lindi/blog has some notes Feb 22 21:33:51 s_k: but after a few months I switched to the one true operating system that runs on x86 too :) Feb 22 21:35:50 apt_: are you well? Feb 22 21:37:00 ~_ Feb 22 21:37:01 _ is probably ALT-255 Feb 22 21:37:05 :D Feb 22 21:37:09 ~_~ Feb 22 21:37:10 STOP DOING THAT! Feb 22 21:37:13 hey apt_ :D Feb 22 21:37:28 :D Feb 22 21:40:10 lindi-: I tried your guide now, but same error as the qemu guide on the openmoko wiki (fails at line 91 in flash.sh) Feb 22 21:41:31 hey Feb 22 21:41:55 is there way to rescue a freerunner with completely discharged battery? Feb 22 21:42:17 strtok: yes Feb 22 21:42:38 how? Feb 22 21:42:42 strtok: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#What_to_do_if_your_battery_has_become_completely_discharged Feb 22 21:42:48 thanks Feb 22 21:44:08 s_k: many things have changed after that Feb 22 21:45:12 lindi-: I guess, and 64bit kubuntu add some exceptions as well I guess Feb 22 21:46:09 s_k: btw, do you know C? have you done kernel programming? Feb 22 21:47:20 I've done it :) Feb 22 21:47:27 I invented Linux ;) Feb 22 21:47:35 lindi-: nope Feb 22 21:47:46 s_k: python? Feb 22 21:47:47 You are Al Gore and I claim my £5 Feb 22 21:47:58 s_k: git? ;) Feb 22 21:48:00 xD Feb 22 21:48:04 I'm Al Gore too Feb 22 21:48:17 s_k: i think we should have a poll when that you fill when you order the device ;) Feb 22 21:48:22 lindi-: basic git commands should be ok Feb 22 21:48:54 i'm seriously struggling with git. have to make backups to make sure you don't lose anything important Feb 22 21:53:37 hi Feb 22 21:55:18 s_k: if you have extra time. i'd spend those learning C and debugging skills, you are going to need them :) Feb 22 21:56:06 lindi-: hehe, looking forward to it ... and in 3 months Im probably gonna hate it :) Feb 22 21:58:02 s_k: depends, i hope you were prepared :) Feb 22 22:00:34 lindi-: I hoped the software had matured to a level where I could use it without doing too much low level stuff Feb 22 22:00:55 s_k: difficult question :) Feb 22 22:01:48 * mwester notes that the community has the opportunity to set the expectations of a potential new FR owner... Feb 22 22:02:04 lindi-: but even if I dont get a virtual machine to test with I hope installing and upgrading will be possible Feb 22 22:02:24 s_k: depends on the distro. i am biased since i have been running debian for 6 months or so Feb 22 22:03:47 lindi-: what gui do you use with that? I was thinking about installing debian, but I would also like to try the other distros Feb 22 22:04:11 s_k: icewm Feb 22 22:04:44 lindi-: screenshots anywhere? Feb 22 22:04:51 try the others first and then debian and you won't be disappointed ;) Feb 22 22:05:16 s_k: screenshots.debian.net Feb 22 22:05:32 hehe, but the qutopia one looks good Feb 22 22:16:24 FICKEN Feb 22 22:17:14 FRITTEN Feb 22 22:17:30 (dutch for "french/freedom fries") Feb 22 22:17:32 FRESSEN Feb 22 22:18:03 i ate you at lunch :) Feb 22 22:19:05 viva dusseldorfia Feb 22 22:20:33 Fritten ist German for frensh fries Feb 22 22:23:08 pimmel :D Feb 22 22:23:21 is german too, right? Feb 22 22:23:29 käse ;) Feb 22 22:23:31 haha Feb 22 22:25:55 "weener", "cheese" Feb 22 22:26:17 Kindergarten, Rucksack are german too, btw Feb 22 22:55:44 opkg an shr arn't nice to each other Feb 22 23:02:57 true dat Feb 22 23:22:59 now redhat makes a deal Feb 22 23:26:39 anyone know how to save a contact to SIM in om 2008.12? Feb 22 23:27:39 select options? Feb 22 23:30:18 <|Marco|> son of a... my freerunner still locks up while some wireless activitys are preformed... Feb 22 23:31:04 slaxxin, last contact I saved seemed to be to the device, not the SIM card Feb 22 23:59:39 <|Marco|> looks like I cant have GSM, GPS and WiFi active at the same time... Feb 22 23:59:57 |Marco|: which kernel? Feb 23 00:04:13 <|Marco|> lindi-: 2.6.28 Feb 23 00:04:31 <|Marco|> Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 8 19:53:16 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown Feb 23 00:05:07 <|Marco|> Calypso is running moko11-beta1 Feb 23 00:07:36 |Marco|: got a git commit hash for that? Feb 23 00:08:05 <|Marco|> hold on Feb 23 00:08:23 |Marco|: and do you see red aux led blinking as a sign of panic? Feb 23 00:08:44 <|Marco|> no Feb 23 00:09:01 |Marco|: does it stop responding to ping over usb0? Feb 23 00:10:03 <|Marco|> but it's rebooted now, got some corruption on sd, had a wifi link that I was logged in through, and it was still up, but almost all the dir's gave "Stale NFS file handle" comment Feb 23 00:10:08 <|Marco|> all files and sir's Feb 23 00:10:10 <|Marco|> dir's Feb 23 00:10:43 |Marco|: sounds like fs corruption, better fsck it Feb 23 00:11:10 <|Marco|> I did, but this was a clean install, and the same happend on a different card Feb 23 00:11:32 <|Marco|> this was on the 512mb card that came with the moko Feb 23 00:11:52 <|Marco|> the previous was a 2gb microsd Feb 23 00:12:25 <|Marco|> openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090209-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz it's the kernel in there Feb 23 00:13:39 <|Marco|> sorry :( Feb 23 00:20:48 <|Marco|> and it locked up again... Feb 23 00:21:17 <|Marco|> there is no kernel panic blinking Feb 23 00:21:42 <|Marco|> this time the screen blanked before, so no data... Feb 23 00:34:21 <|Marco|> maby if I hook up the debug board I can give you some more info than this Feb 23 00:49:06 PaulFertser: keewl :-) Feb 23 00:49:50 DocScrutinizer: how did you know? :) Feb 23 00:50:26 wiki informs me about any change on important pages ;-) Feb 23 00:50:57 pretty, really pretty Feb 23 00:53:31 PaulFertser: I'd add a short comment OWTTE: "red are names as seen in xy and abc. Note however the names in pqr may differ" Feb 23 00:53:37 I wonder why almost any work i do looks so insignifacant after it's already done. I've spent more than 3 hours reading the driver source and the datasheet, understanding inkscape etc. But the resulting image looks like nothing hard or requiring any expertise. Feb 23 00:54:03 What's xy, abc and pqr? Feb 23 00:54:04 not at all Feb 23 00:54:47 (xyz) sth like statefiles, alsamixer (whereever the particular name may fit) Feb 23 00:56:09 That's alsa control names, the same as (i guess) in statefiles or amixer commands. Alsamixer can mangle them a little (like remove trailing Volume from controls that allow adjusting) but it's not that important, i guess. I'll add a remark though. Feb 23 00:56:19 names in WM8753.pdf sometimes differ a little to those used in c sources. Alsamixer even uses another set of names Feb 23 00:56:50 great work! :-))) Feb 23 00:57:33 Thanks Feb 23 00:58:41 I think the diagram follows closely the datasheet. Feb 23 01:01:57 BTW, judging by the datasheet and driver source "Mono 2 Mux" has two additional modes not found in the routing diagram, probably i should draw additional lines to show that. Feb 23 01:05:13 hmm lemme see Feb 23 01:15:46 yup another inaccuracy of the "prettier" diagram (compare the messy one above for that detail) Feb 23 01:16:03 another one I found is around VMID generation Feb 23 01:16:11 (5K) Feb 23 01:17:33 U realized Wolfson has published version 4.0 of the datasheet? Seems they mainly removed things marked "TBD" in ver3.4, like noise of mic-amp :P Feb 23 01:38:15 <|Marco|> hm, sofar I like the debug board :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 23 02:59:58 2009