**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 05 02:59:56 2009 Mar 05 03:59:08 openmoko: 03werner * r4950 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (6 files): Now, really the final submission. Mar 05 04:35:35 oooo its 03 Mar 05 04:57:59 slaxxin: is it? looks too big :/ Mar 05 05:00:38 might be the angle Mar 05 05:48:44 guys where can I enter pin code in SHR? Mar 05 05:53:35 k Mar 05 05:53:38 i got it Mar 05 07:03:50 has anyone got the error "count not initialize FIQ for GTA02" on boot up before? Mar 05 07:05:05 jeff_: i think i did, looks like it's harmless. Mar 05 07:06:27 PaulFert: it doesnt boot though, I get a list of "HDQ error: 1" and then "power_supply bettery driver failed to report 'health' properly" and then more HDQ errors Mar 05 07:06:59 jeff_: looks like you cloned andy-tracking just in time to get a non-working kernel :) Mar 05 07:08:52 PualFert: oh I see, I did just clone it a few hours ago Mar 05 07:10:44 PaulFert: should I switch to another branch and recompile? Mar 05 07:11:39 jeff_: switch from andy-tracking? I don't think so. I'll tell you what commit works for me. Mar 05 07:15:02 jeff_: I'm using 86247495c3d58534 but i suggest you try b9de904e7aadd7b37c4035fd5d6f59e5f80089b6 (newer and with important fixes). Mar 05 07:15:23 PaulFert: Thanks, how do I switch to a different commit? Mar 05 07:15:35 jeff_: git checkout Mar 05 07:16:01 jeff_: if you then plan to base your work on that, you'll need to create a local branch from it. Mar 05 07:17:32 PaulFert: do I run git checkout hash in the folder that i already made when I ran git clone? Mar 05 07:18:14 jeff_: sure Mar 05 07:27:12 PaulFert: I switched to that commit and i created a local branch, now I need to download the proper files correct? Mar 05 07:44:27 morning Mar 05 08:13:30 jeff_: no :) Mar 05 08:13:44 jeff_: once you cloned the repo you have all the information needed to build any revision :) Mar 05 08:14:04 jeff_: git checkout makes all your local file switch to that commit. Mar 05 08:21:18 good morning Mar 05 09:56:23 hi all, i am a new happy owner of a Neo FreeRunner ( my wife's gift for my birthday ). Mar 05 09:56:54 I wish my gf understands wtf is a freerunner before my birthday Mar 05 09:57:36 nullix: happy birthday Mar 05 09:57:38 forgot that Mar 05 09:58:04 <|Marco|> happy birthday nullix :P Mar 05 10:01:02 happy birthday, nullix Mar 05 10:01:39 thanks :-) Mar 05 10:03:41 openmoko: 03shoragan * r4951 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmbluetooth.state: add working GSM to Bluetooth headset state file Mar 05 10:10:43 nullix: happy bday :) Mar 05 10:51:48 good day Mar 05 10:52:32 does anyone know if the actual zomg package is valid? i am getting a data format violated message Mar 05 10:52:55 i am loading in from opkg.org Mar 05 11:36:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd7dca1626ae6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: Mar 05 11:36:53 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: parser.py: flag +CGMR as solicited message that has a PDU. Closes FSO #369, which was actually a valid Mar 05 11:36:53 freesmartphone.org: bug. Mar 05 11:47:25 guys Mar 05 11:47:33 could you help me to copy Mar 05 11:47:39 something on phone Mar 05 11:47:58 scp /home/lenin/Faust.pdf root@192.168.0.202: /home/root Mar 05 11:47:58 /home/root: No such file or directory Mar 05 11:53:47 lenin_: you have a space between the 202:/home/root - its one expression. Mar 05 11:55:34 aaa Mar 05 11:55:37 hackers WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ Mar 05 11:55:38 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Mar 05 11:55:38 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! Mar 05 11:57:11 password? Mar 05 12:00:06 Ah Mar 05 12:00:32 lenin_: You have a new rootfs don't you? Mar 05 12:00:39 yes Mar 05 12:00:41 I have Mar 05 12:00:57 Just remove the entry in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file Mar 05 12:00:59 why did you change ssh key? Mar 05 12:01:14 It's the host, aka phone Mar 05 12:01:22 New rootfs -> new host Mar 05 12:03:41 CM_work: oh? I use the same key for the same fqdn always Mar 05 12:03:42 I remove entry Mar 05 12:03:53 and the same problem Mar 05 12:04:13 lindi-: I just noticed that when I flash a new rootfs the phone gets another key Mar 05 12:04:13 for example I use ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202 Mar 05 12:04:26 it iss working Mar 05 12:04:29 how to scp Mar 05 12:04:53 CM_work: well, don't? ;) Mar 05 13:03:34 guys, can someone compile gnue chess for SHR Mar 05 13:03:35 plx Mar 05 13:05:27 lenin_: I think it's available somewhere for 2008.x? Mar 05 13:05:33 FDOM had it? Mar 05 13:05:48 I find this http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/openmoko-chess/ Mar 05 13:05:49 check fdomizer and see if it installs it Mar 05 13:05:56 but it is without gui Mar 05 13:06:11 try http://www.zindep.com/blog-zindep/openmoko-chess/gnuchess_0.1_armv4t.ipk Mar 05 13:06:17 ah, right.. Mar 05 13:06:21 -> learn the moves :) Mar 05 13:09:37 oh I find something Mar 05 13:09:43 what is that? http://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git/packages/gnuchess/files/ Mar 05 13:11:44 sorry to bother you with newbie questions, but i did an upgrade ( from a 2008.x that was shipped with) and now my usb connection is badly twisted , it hang my host when trying to connect to. Mar 05 13:15:24 I installed fltk-cheess but they are to small Mar 05 13:16:54 my host (xubuntu) complains about device descriptor/read/64, error -110 Mar 05 13:17:13 when i plug usb cable Mar 05 13:17:44 it was working before upgrade since i did upgrade from a ssh connection Mar 05 13:22:30 nullix: You might want to flash 2008.12 in (or SHR). some of the USB SSH issues are solved by restarting the phone (after fresh 2008.12 installation you need to start&restart to start ssh server). Mar 05 13:24:11 rhkfin: i did many shutdown & restart, it seems to be a kernel usb bug Mar 05 13:25:00 what do you man by "flash 2008.12" Mar 05 13:25:24 s/man/mean/ Mar 05 13:25:24 nullix meant: what do you mean by "flash 2008.12" Mar 05 13:26:18 apt: thanks for interpreting :) nullix: flash 2008.12 = install (=flash) the latest Openmoko distribution, see .. Mar 05 13:26:18 no problem, rhkfin Mar 05 13:26:39 (searching....) Mar 05 13:27:08 nullix: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update Mar 05 13:27:10 i did opkg update ... then many opkg-upgrade until it calm down Mar 05 13:27:35 nullix: it's not the same as far as I know Mar 05 13:28:22 or see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer to have it ~up and running in less than 100 minutes (flashing 2008.12 and installing some required fixes and apps) Mar 05 13:28:59 i can't connect to my openmoko anymore, i certainly will have to create an alternate system on SD... Mar 05 13:29:45 nullix: you'll still be able to flash, I'd guess.. Mar 05 13:30:24 rhkfin: i have onle the freerunner, not a dev kit to falsh Mar 05 13:30:34 arg, sorry for typoes Mar 05 13:30:39 nullix: you don't need a dev kit to flash Mar 05 13:30:51 sorry then what do i need ? Mar 05 13:30:55 read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Mar 05 13:31:07 -> you need freerunner, usb cable and desktop computer.. Mar 05 13:31:37 And there are around 10 different distros you can flash in :) Mar 05 13:31:47 could someone make package for gui chess Mar 05 13:31:48 (listed here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions ) Mar 05 13:32:05 lenin_: write a request to community mailing list Mar 05 13:32:19 or I got flk-chess Mar 05 13:32:31 on openmoko but board is very small Mar 05 13:32:35 how resize it? Mar 05 13:33:43 rhkfin: thanks, very helpful. Mar 05 13:33:51 nullix: no problems :) Mar 05 13:35:05 nullix: nice from your wife to get you a freerunner for bday - congrats :) Mar 05 13:38:39 hi all, can we use the FR to dial in to an ISP? Mar 05 13:49:48 edje2: not usually - un,less the ISP has certain specific hardware to allow this, and your phone account is properly setup Mar 05 13:50:13 edje2: the 'normal' way - GPRS - the cellphone company is effectively your ISP Mar 05 14:00:04 SpeedEvil: thanks, i have gprs working, but at 1 euro/Mb it is rather expensive. i think using a callback it would be cheaper Mar 05 14:01:23 edje2: I *think* asterisk can be used as a dial in server when combined with a software modem Mar 05 14:01:59 teythoon_: yes, any name of a sotware modem for the FR ? Mar 05 14:03:25 check your provider's GSM data call charges before even thinking about this Mar 05 14:03:30 edje2: I have no idea, but in case you find something let me know :) Mar 05 14:03:46 rught, thanks so far :-) Mar 05 14:03:52 (and no, you can't really reasonably do data over voice calls, this has been hashed to death) Mar 05 14:04:59 mjr: why is that? my gprs is also max 65K, so data over voice wouldn;t be that bad would it? or is there a technical limitation on the FR ? Mar 05 14:05:06 56K* Mar 05 14:05:32 edje2: it is a limitation of the GSM codec, it just doesn't work properly it is designed for voice Mar 05 14:05:50 voice calls are always put through the GSM codec in the GSM chip and it tries hard to discard anything that doesn't sound like voice Mar 05 14:06:37 edje2: GPRS was designed for this very reason Mar 05 14:06:55 ah, right, so it is a software limitation? swapping codecs before data and voice calls would be an option ? Mar 05 14:07:01 also, voice calls are in the range of 9.6-14.4k, and with an extremely clever vocalizer/"voice recognition" software people have gotten some wasit 2k of data over it Mar 05 14:07:17 no, the gsm chip enforces the voice codec for voice calls Mar 05 14:07:35 tig|: right, i just don;t like what they charge per Mb ;-D Mar 05 14:07:38 and even if you could, you would be limited to ~the above rates Mar 05 14:08:06 in short: just forget it Mar 05 14:08:17 and just pay the price, i get it Mar 05 14:08:55 well, move somewhere where mobile data is reasonably priced ;P Mar 05 14:09:01 or use wlan :) Mar 05 14:09:23 we don;t have wlan in our public transport busses/trains etc Mar 05 14:09:31 * mjr pats his 10 euro a month plan usable both from the phone and his 3g usb stick Mar 05 14:09:52 mjr: 2k for free is better than nothing :) Mar 05 14:10:09 mjr: you use a 3g stick with the FR ? Mar 05 14:10:13 teythoon, also, that software wasn't free. Mar 05 14:10:18 edje2, no, I use it with my laptop Mar 05 14:10:30 thats too bad Mar 05 14:10:33 presumably it would work with the FR though Mar 05 14:10:48 mjr: ok, what provider is that ? Mar 05 14:11:00 Saunalahti, a Finnish one Mar 05 14:11:10 <[df]> do they give you two sims on the same plan? Mar 05 14:11:15 pretty much all of the Finnish providers have flatrate ~10 euro data though... Mar 05 14:11:21 i bet they don;t have coverage in holland ;-) Mar 05 14:11:23 df, yeh, that was a special offer Mar 05 14:11:45 well, they do have multisim plans regularly also, but the package deal was a special offer Mar 05 14:12:17 here we have usually two plans, one for phone's and one for laptops Mar 05 14:12:48 yes well, they do seem to be pushing to that direction for some reason, perhaps to do with revenue nowadays ;) Mar 05 14:13:18 and the multisim support does (usually) cost a bit extra (that's why mine was a special offer, it didn't) Mar 05 14:14:02 they will probably charge me a bit more for the second sim after the 2 year period for that offer, but not as much as for another plan altogether Mar 05 14:29:40 wassup Mar 05 16:52:56 lol, http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/abadiadigital/~3/A9QsKEiebcc/noticia3603.html Mar 05 17:33:56 hey allz Mar 05 18:25:53 Fish! Mar 05 18:26:13 Todays fish is trout-ala-creme Mar 05 18:26:35 French Fish Mar 05 18:44:15 fresh french fish? Mar 05 18:59:49 is pannicking sometimes here? Mar 05 19:01:33 Serdar: yes, he is :) Mar 05 19:04:03 his mirror is very slow I think I could help him with my server Mar 05 19:04:31 Serdar: He comes here sometimes, but you can also e-mail him (hint-hint ;) ). Mar 05 19:05:00 I will not be here for the next 3 days I guess Mar 05 19:05:11 Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Rzi_L-ASY Mar 05 19:06:17 Serdar: We are trying to get panicking's patches incorporated into the Koolu git. We are waiting for them from him. Mar 05 19:06:18 ~fish toggles_w Mar 05 19:06:18 * apt slaps toggles_w around with a large trout Mar 05 19:09:28 I just flashed Qi to support larger kernels and I am getting erros on any kernel I try to boot saying that the power_supply driver failed to report status and then it hangs Mar 05 19:12:43 jeff_: really hangs? With kernel panic (aux led blinking)? Can it be that you're too impatient to wait for the system to boot fully? Mar 05 19:13:39 PaulFerster: There is no kernel panic, but I let it run and it just shuts off after a while Mar 05 19:15:14 jeff_: every kernel you tried? I think there was an andy-tracking revision which did that on the first boot but it succeeded every second. Also you can try to hold power button while the kernel is prepared for booting and you'll see additional diagnostic messages on LCM. Mar 05 19:15:49 The HDQ battery-monitoring stuff was broken in andy-tracking a couple of days ago. Don't know if it's fixed yet, or if it's related to your problem Mar 05 19:16:49 But it shouldn't contribute to "shutting off" unless it's frameworkd reacting to the low battery condition. But for that to work, it must be run first. Mar 05 19:18:35 I think that's what was happening on my phone (frameworkd triggering a shutdown) Mar 05 19:21:05 Should be easily tweakable by editing rules.yaml. But i agree, it's not cool trying to find what's happening unless you know about that frameworkd's feature. :) Mar 05 19:23:37 is it possible to control the GPS antenna via dbus? Mar 05 19:23:50 good morning Mar 05 19:24:04 PaulFertser: I even tried an old kernel that I have used for a long time and it happens there too, could it be something with qi? Mar 05 19:25:49 http://slexy.org/view/s2qn6KmzyW I don't know much about dbus, but I would have expected that to work. Mar 05 19:26:31 jeff_: unless you provide more info, i don't think i can give any decent answer. But my guess is that it's most probably not Qi's fault. Mar 05 19:28:29 PaulFertser: Last night I was trying to flash a new kernel but the size is bigger so I flashed Qi, and got the errors we talked about last night. I switched to a different commit and tried with other kernels even ones already compiled from the download section Mar 05 19:28:47 PaualFertser: these are the 2 errors I get now Mar 05 19:29:47 PaulFertser: s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -I9 and power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' properly, then I get a blinking _ and eventually it shuts off Mar 05 19:30:32 jeff_: are you sure it's not frameworkd shutting off because it can't read battery status? Mar 05 19:31:17 jeff_: are you sure that Qi is loading the right kernel? Are you booting from NAND or SD? Mar 05 19:32:02 mmontour: I am booting from NAND, there should only be one kernel flashed I think, I flash using NOR Mar 05 19:32:52 just make sure there's no "/boot/uImage-GTA02.bin" on your SD card Mar 05 19:34:18 mmontour: how do I do this without being able to boot? Mar 05 19:34:32 jeff_: boot with NOR? Mar 05 19:34:40 jeff_: remove your uSD? Mar 05 19:37:16 PaulFertser: booting from NOR works fine Mar 05 19:39:50 jeff_: Are you sure you're not booting kernel from uSD when you boot with Qi? Mar 05 19:39:59 hehe Mar 05 19:40:14 jeff_: you might also want to remove low battery shutdown rules while you're at it. Mar 05 19:42:42 PaulFertser: is there any trick to taking the sd card out? Mar 05 19:43:54 jeff_: you mean mechanical? Yes, take a look here: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/sdcard-handle/ Mar 05 19:44:40 :-))) Mar 05 19:45:21 * DocScrutinizer bangs his head on the table as he missed to file a patent Mar 05 19:45:50 File a patent for 'means of expressing dissapointment and anger' Mar 05 19:45:53 covering that Mar 05 19:51:28 PaulFertser: I took the sd card out and I get the error but now it boots so it must have been the sd card, Thank you fory our help Mar 05 19:52:30 jeff_: for our help, yep :))) If you don't feel comfortable enough with Qi, please read the Qi wikipage, it contains many useful information. Mar 05 20:31:00 hi all Mar 05 20:36:56 a little question: on SHR-testing, is there a way to restart the GSM? Mar 05 20:47:18 fradeve power off power on :) Mar 05 20:48:55 von_fritz: the problem: when waking up on call from suspend, when I close the call, GSM freezes. If it freezes, the SHR'menu for GSP doesn't load, so I'm unable to switch it off/on. Is there a bash command to do it? :) Mar 05 20:49:17 sorry, not GSP but GSM :D Mar 05 20:56:59 fradeve: to restart GSM simply kill and start ophonekitd again. Mar 05 21:03:27 PaulFertser: so, "kill ophonekitd" and "ophonekitd" from console? Mar 05 21:03:40 pardon, "killall ophonekitd" Mar 05 21:04:53 fradeve: don't forget to have DISPLAY set appropriately before running ophonekitd again. Mar 05 21:05:27 PaulFertser: I run commands from ShortOM directly from Neo ;) Mar 05 21:05:50 fradeve: then nothing to worry about :) Mar 05 21:06:20 fradeve: except you're supposed to report bugs to the authors and help to debug it ;) Mar 05 21:06:35 PaulFertser: yeah :) Mar 05 21:08:14 fradeve, you can start ophonekitd from settings Mar 05 21:09:13 von_fritz: where exactly? Mar 05 21:11:37 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dda780381f9fe73c09d451135f9d5e3f.png Mar 05 21:11:40 ;) Mar 05 21:12:47 von_fritz: are you Italian? :D Mar 05 21:12:49 and killall ophonekitd w'ont work, you need to kill -9 pid Mar 05 21:12:58 yes seems so Mar 05 21:13:02 :) Mar 05 21:13:26 von_fritz: yeahhh http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio Mar 05 21:13:46 von_fritz: sorry for spam Mar 05 21:13:51 von_fritz: however... :) Mar 05 21:15:36 von_fritz: the problem is that when GSM freezes, the menu fot GSM Settings is not accessible, it also freezes Mar 05 21:17:11 fradeve have you tried to upgrade/flash your GSM firmware? Mar 05 21:17:35 von_fritz: no, I'm scared to get a brick... :( Mar 05 21:18:17 von_fritz: the problem seems related to SHR, because with OM 2008.12 all worked ok... Mar 05 21:19:12 fradeve its very simple http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,1155.0.html Mar 05 21:19:21 fradeve: CAN'T BRICK GSM FIRMWARE unless you're really determined. Mar 05 21:20:37 PaulFertser: ok, all you guys are really convincing :) tomorrow I'll try Mar 05 21:20:58 fradeve: the calypso has ROM bootloader, you know... Mar 05 21:21:45 actually the Neo is the phone from which I call my girlfriend, if I get a brick I'll give vent to my frustration on this IRC channel :D :D Mar 05 21:21:50 fradeve: moreover, for GTA02 owners an uSD image available to automate the process. Mar 05 21:21:51 PaulFertser: really? Mar 05 21:22:02 fradeve: really Mar 05 21:22:15 PaulFertser: wow Mar 05 21:24:55 von_fritz: really smart the link... it seems very easy. The most easy procedure I found before was: http://sdonk.netsons.org/2009/03/flashing-del-modem-gsm-di-openmoko-ovvero-aggiornare-il-firmware/ Mar 05 21:25:04 von_fritz: and it scared me :D Mar 05 21:27:16 fradeve yeah, thats the "old" way :) Mar 05 21:27:37 von_fritz: tomorrow will be the *great* day :D Mar 05 21:27:54 auguri :) Mar 05 21:38:03 von_fritz: grazie :) Mar 05 22:05:35 nice topic Mar 05 22:10:47 does GPS not work on FSO? Mar 05 22:12:36 in shr-testing the becon comes up but i cant set the maps to /media/card/maps Mar 05 22:12:53 slaxxin: is that in response to me? Mar 05 22:13:07 well it is fso based Mar 05 22:13:13 then yes Mar 05 22:13:17 :-) Mar 05 22:14:11 well, I'm trying to interface with fso-gpsd on port 2947 but I never ever get a fix Mar 05 22:15:53 there's been a bug in AGPS which has been fixed recently in FSO Mar 05 22:16:30 DocScrutinizer: I assume I'm not using AGPS because I don't have any special hardware. am I wrong? Mar 05 22:16:50 DocScrutinizer: any idea whether it was fixed in SHR (-testing) as well? Mar 05 22:17:15 no, AGPS is a sw helping to get a quick first fix Mar 05 22:17:53 * SM2k updates the phone to see if that helps Mar 05 22:18:14 mmp: no idea. someone of FSO team mentioned AGPS being fixed now, a few days ago Mar 05 22:18:44 i see theres an unstable shr now too Mar 05 22:19:00 DocScrutinizer: I experience quite weird behavior -- looks like that sometimes, even though GPS is powered on, I don't get any NMEA sentences on serial line Mar 05 22:19:49 well, if I continue to get no-gps I'll have to move away from FSO-unstable Mar 05 22:24:20 SM2k: try reading GPS data directly from serial line... Mar 05 22:24:35 mmp: oh I have Mar 05 22:24:39 I think fso-gpsd produces NMEA sentences even if there are no data... Mar 05 22:24:57 SM2k: did you get any reading? Mar 05 22:24:59 I don't know how to read the sentences Mar 05 22:25:25 it's ttySAC1 right? Mar 05 22:25:30 tail -f /dev/ttySAC1 (with fso-gpsd disabled) Mar 05 22:25:31 yes Mar 05 22:25:39 and you need to power on GPS receiver Mar 05 22:26:13 (in /sys/class/regulator/regulator.7/neo*/ ) Mar 05 22:26:26 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy GPS enabled Mar 05 22:26:31 I assume that powers it up? Mar 05 22:26:43 yes, looks like that ;) Mar 05 22:27:03 (but IMO the sysfs-way is just easier to read :) Mar 05 22:28:10 http://slexy.org/view/s2led13YMZ Mar 05 22:28:15 aye Mar 05 22:28:59 ok, so you are at least getting some output, weird... Mar 05 22:29:07 telnet 127.0.0.1 2947 Mar 05 22:29:07 ADMOSY Mar 05 22:29:07 GPSD,A=?,D=2009-03-05T22:28:51.00Z,M=1,O=?,S=0,Y=? Mar 05 22:29:16 but it's all for not :-) Mar 05 22:30:15 The GPS does that on boot Mar 05 22:30:20 till it's got a signal Mar 05 22:30:27 right Mar 05 22:30:38 $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 Mar 05 22:30:38 * SM2k checks the other phone closer to the window Mar 05 22:30:50 will be 'filled in' Mar 05 22:31:06 mmp: if eventually we get a decent user and permissions policy, youwon't be able to access /dev anymore Mar 05 22:31:40 DocScrutinizer: why not? I will be running under regular user? Mar 05 22:34:23 normal user shouldn't be able to turn the GPS hardware on and off that way anyway Mar 05 22:37:38 shellevil: agreed, but I'd just like to see a freakin fix Mar 05 22:37:45 that's what FSO and dbus are for Mar 05 22:38:01 I *did* see it work under 2008.12, so I'm beginning to assume FSO is AFU Mar 05 22:40:12 SM2k: it should be absolutely nothing to do with software Mar 05 22:40:31 SM2k: unless you upload anomolous agps info Mar 05 22:41:00 why on earth would I be messing with agps? :-) Mar 05 22:41:03 or you have something unpowered - for example not powering the GPS ant - but I don't think you can do that Mar 05 22:41:08 dunno Mar 05 22:41:45 For a nice quick fix, go outside, and hold the GPS 15000Km over your head. Mar 05 22:41:58 shellevil: there was a fix in fso to ungarble agps data Mar 05 22:42:40 odd. the antenna did shut down. Mar 05 22:50:03 DocScrutinizer: well, my system appears to be up to date Mar 05 22:51:36 the fix has been committed some 2 days ago on FSO. Mar 05 22:53:05 DocScrutinizer: looks like a fairly new thing... Mar 05 22:53:23 and it also could solve my problems Mar 05 22:53:24 http://slexy.org/view/s2gHgtvC3Q Mar 05 22:53:28 that said, one feed does 404 Mar 05 22:53:45 there was a typo in the routine uploading the ephem or alm data Mar 05 22:54:32 armv4t? Mar 05 22:54:43 hey all... trying to do usb networking with openmoko Om2008.12... I can't seem to be able to ping it Mar 05 22:55:03 Hydrant: you need to set up routing on the desktop Mar 05 22:55:21 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Mar 05 22:55:28 season to taste Mar 05 22:56:01 did that, maybe routing table is wrong Mar 05 22:56:08 theres also an great wiki page... Mar 05 22:56:34 that's what I'm following Mar 05 22:56:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking_with_openSUSE#Set_up_USB_interface Mar 05 22:56:46 when I ping i get "destination host unrechable" Mar 05 22:57:00 Hydrant: whats your problem... can you see both interfaces with "ip link show" command, on moko and on the connecting pc ? Mar 05 22:57:22 not sure how to issue the command on the moko Mar 05 22:57:33 using ubuntu on the desktop btw Mar 05 22:57:50 Hydrant: you should use termineal and root account. Mar 05 22:58:25 on the neo itself? I don't see a terminal program Mar 05 22:58:40 Hydrant: use `ifconfig` Mar 05 22:58:57 DocScrutinizer: thats not gonna help Mar 05 22:59:06 Hydrant: what distro are you using? Mar 05 22:59:16 it's much more legible Mar 05 22:59:33 ubuntu 8.10 Mar 05 22:59:35 kubuntu actually Mar 05 22:59:42 and on the openmoko just downloaded OM Mar 05 22:59:57 DocScrutinizer: well, it still needs console/terminal access, without it those strings are not going to do any miracles :) Mar 05 23:00:12 huh? Mar 05 23:00:29 DocScrutinizer: where do you type ifconfig? Mar 05 23:00:35 DocScrutinizer: any idea what were symptoms of the GPS issue you mentioned? Mar 05 23:00:39 sure you can't ssh to Neo if USB isn't up Mar 05 23:01:02 DocScrutinizer: sure you can use terminal on the moko ? Mar 05 23:02:01 maybe you can. dunno what's the use of it anyway Mar 05 23:02:03 DocScrutinizer: it would really help if you would address your comments. Mar 05 23:02:20 ok I think part of my problem here is I installed circa FSO milestone 4. Mar 05 23:02:23 it would help I return to TV Mar 05 23:02:30 I manually added the armv5te tree Mar 05 23:03:10 Hydrant: you have connected the usb-wire, after that you have configured the usb interface at the ubuntu workstation? Mar 05 23:03:15 but not being so familiar with opkg, I don't understand why opkg-cl list_upgradable still shows nothing Mar 05 23:03:54 yup Mar 05 23:04:18 maybe networkmanager is screwing it up Mar 05 23:04:54 networkmangler is of the devil. why's that crazy daemon so popular anyways? :-) Mar 05 23:04:54 have you checked that the link is up on both nodes (neo and ubuntu) by using the given command ? Mar 05 23:05:25 how can i do that with no terminal? Mar 05 23:05:40 use the force Mar 05 23:05:49 yah... Mar 05 23:05:56 Hydrant: 00:59 < husku> Hydrant: what distro are you using? Mar 05 23:06:17 kubuntu 8.10 Mar 05 23:06:35 Hydrant: and on the moko, you are using om 200X ... ? Mar 05 23:06:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.12_Update Mar 05 23:08:07 Hydrant: first, on ubuntu you should be able to use terminal programs. gnome-terminal or xterm/aterm.... when on those you should issue an `sudo ifconfig` to see what interfaces you already have. and if none of those are usb0 .... Mar 05 23:08:24 i have usb0 up fine Mar 05 23:08:51 Hydrant: ok. and on moko, you really dont have any program called terminal or console ? Mar 05 23:09:05 right Mar 05 23:09:10 right Mar 05 23:09:11 not that i see Mar 05 23:09:21 not that i se Mar 05 23:09:26 :) Mar 05 23:10:08 well, i would not know, atleast all on my distros there have been a way to install a terminal or terminal already installed Mar 05 23:10:44 I have a terminal on my desktop, moko is screwed Mar 05 23:10:48 if youre runnint om2008.xx and dont have any terminal, do you have an "install" text at the bottom of the screen Mar 05 23:10:59 sure, but no network connectivity Mar 05 23:11:51 Hydrant: checked your firewall on PC? Mar 05 23:12:03 and if you "click" that install you will get an menu where you can find om2-terminal program or something else, then you should install it and after that you should have a terminal at your moko desktop Mar 05 23:12:14 I have no firewall that I know of in ubuntu Mar 05 23:12:24 Hydrant: do you have a terminal at the moko desktop ?! Mar 05 23:12:31 husku: no Mar 05 23:12:43 not on the phone itself, on my desktop pc yes Mar 05 23:12:53 screw it. I'm flashing this image. moving back to 2008.12 Mar 05 23:13:00 Hydrant: ok. did you check if you have installed the program as i said? Mar 05 23:13:28 rebooting it to see what problem the installer had initially Mar 05 23:13:41 Hydrant: ? Mar 05 23:13:50 the installer was screwed up Mar 05 23:14:19 really? Mar 05 23:15:17 Hydrant: are you sure about the installer being screwed up on 2008.12 ? Mar 05 23:16:04 it just now finally loaded Mar 05 23:16:07 husku: are you sure you're not a son of ELIZA? Mar 05 23:16:13 cannot access repo, please check network Mar 05 23:16:29 so how am I going to install anything with no network access, or way to configure such ? Mar 05 23:16:51 DocScrutinizer: im just drunk and fed up with people whom say "it does not work! fix it! fix it now!" Mar 05 23:16:52 Hydrant: ping any URL fron FR works? Mar 05 23:17:20 DocScrutinizer: again, how am I going to ping any url? Mar 05 23:17:21 Hydrant: do you have an working default route? Mar 05 23:17:39 all that is on my home screen is contacts, dialer, locations, messages, setting, and soduku Mar 05 23:17:41 ssh into FR Mar 05 23:17:51 I can't sssh into the fr, that is the problem Mar 05 23:18:02 the installer is at the bottom but kinda useless Mar 05 23:18:03 no route to host Mar 05 23:18:09 it could be that network manager is screwed on my ubuntu Mar 05 23:18:13 very possible Mar 05 23:18:18 it's a pain in the arse to remove Mar 05 23:18:30 Hydrant: are you really, i mean, really, certain that you dont have the "installer" text at the bottom of your moko screen? Mar 05 23:18:32 so what happens if you ping FR from PC? Mar 05 23:18:32 :| Mar 05 23:18:34 I agree Mar 05 23:18:45 that's why I just run debian :) Mar 05 23:18:47 husku: the installer text is at the bottom yes Mar 05 23:19:08 Hydrant: did you use it to install a terminal on your moko? Mar 05 23:19:23 no, because it has no network connectivity and will do nothing Mar 05 23:19:39 Hydrant: ok, thank you Mar 05 23:20:06 pheeew, it's really more boring than TV to watch tis Mar 05 23:20:09 Hydrant: did you check dmesg after plugging moko on your ubuntu? Mar 05 23:20:21 I'll check Mar 05 23:20:43 registered cdc_ether Mar 05 23:21:11 Hydrant: and the ifconfig command shows you the right ip at the ubuntu? Mar 05 23:22:02 k wait, it worked that time Mar 05 23:22:02 Hydrant: and you have the forwarding flag set up at the sysctl on ubuntu, and you of course did set up the iptables rules ? Mar 05 23:22:16 Hydrant: what do you mean, that time?? Mar 05 23:24:04 husku: it suddenly "just worked" Mar 05 23:24:10 very strange Mar 05 23:24:32 i didn't setup forwarding, I just turned off external interfaces (on my laptop) and tried to connect straight via usb0 Mar 05 23:24:56 be back in a bit Mar 05 23:25:06 Hydrant: thats so nice. Mar 05 23:25:13 wooohoooo Mar 05 23:25:58 * DocScrutinizer highfives Dave Mar 05 23:29:54 :D Mar 05 23:29:59 * Dave high-fives Joerg back Mar 05 23:30:04 man if I had the time, I'd create a conary based system for the openmoko Mar 05 23:30:20 coronary? Mar 05 23:30:26 yeah, the freerunner will give you that :P Mar 05 23:30:31 conary is a different package manager Mar 05 23:30:43 ah. haha I misread that as a typo Mar 05 23:30:55 :D Mar 05 23:31:55 Hi. I flashed variuos distros shr, fso om12, fyp and I culdn't get text messages to work. I had to flash om08 to read texts. Mar 05 23:31:57 Then I flashed fyp and I could get text messages. before the icon on zhone was inactive. Mar 05 23:31:58 Also the gps doesn't work with fyp now but it did on an earlier flash, although AFAICR it took a few days before ti worked. Mar 05 23:32:00 I guess this isn't much help without bug reports but I haven't got that far yet - I haven't learned yet. I just thought it may be of interest Mar 05 23:40:01 Hi again. Perhaps that wasn't very clear. What I mean is I could use sms until I flashed AFAICR fso ms5, Mar 05 23:40:02 then I couldn't use sms Then I flashed shr still no sms (I had used shr before and I could use sms ok) Mar 05 23:40:04 i had to flash om08 (i think) to read sms Then I flashed fyp 2.17 -no sms inactive icon in zhone. Mar 05 23:40:05 Next I flashed fyp 3.01 still an inactive sms icon Back to om08 read sms and flashed fyp 2.17 and now I can read sms. Mar 05 23:40:07 maybe it was something to do with there being 20 messages before I deleted them in om08? Mar 05 23:45:21 * anttna shuffles feet and looks around Mar 05 23:47:17 anttna: you want to have all now? Mar 05 23:47:49 good night alla :) Mar 05 23:47:59 no sorry it was just suddnly very quiet :) Mar 05 23:48:30 anttna: install shr-unstable. works for me. Mar 05 23:48:39 anttna: good night :) Mar 05 23:48:49 husku: thanks good night Mar 05 23:54:22 mokoparty! Mar 05 23:59:04 anyone about? Mar 05 23:59:49 something terrible has happened Mar 06 00:00:25 shoot Mar 06 00:00:36 google will archive it Mar 06 00:00:49 and the world will still know about it in a week Mar 06 00:00:54 smashed the screen on my free runner Mar 06 00:01:07 mhmm Mar 06 00:01:09 that's bad Mar 06 00:01:12 yeah Mar 06 00:01:30 is there anything I can do Mar 06 00:01:31 :( Mar 06 00:01:48 there was a screen on ebay a week ago Mar 06 00:02:23 anyone read anything about this happening before? Mar 06 00:02:37 Im sure I was something in the wiki, but i couldnt turn it up Mar 06 00:02:40 screen smashes? Mar 06 00:02:49 you can smash most screens Mar 06 00:03:30 anyone dealing with such an accident Mar 06 00:03:48 I'd post on the hardware mailing list. Mar 06 00:04:21 I'm not aware of any spares program, and I think I would be. Mar 06 00:05:30 i dont really expect one Mar 06 00:05:57 Problem is that getting parts for a smashed PSP LCD is damn easy Mar 06 00:06:17 For a FR - you'd have to get one custom made - they aren't floating round the secondary market Mar 06 00:06:38 (and no, they aren't compatible) Mar 06 00:07:40 jones: how did it happen? Mar 06 00:08:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r607459401435 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: override autoprefix for +CUSD, which is kinda special Mar 06 00:08:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9bed3b234f94 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: fix SMS sending with new parser. Thanks Daniel for spotting! Mar 06 00:08:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0014180180a3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Mar 06 00:08:40 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: port +CNMA to the new timeout handling Mar 06 00:08:42 freesmartphone.org: (basically the per-command timeout no longer exists) Mar 06 00:09:06 cycling, chain snapped and i fell on the handle bars, but my freerunner got in the way Mar 06 00:09:33 holy cow Mar 06 00:10:10 not the best day Mar 06 00:10:36 never mind eh? Mar 06 00:11:34 mayeb you'll win the lotto tomorrow Mar 06 00:11:35 going to see if its fixable Mar 06 00:11:54 pulster do repalcement screens afaik Mar 06 00:13:17 resellers should be able to get spare parts Mar 06 00:13:50 that is not cheap Mar 06 00:14:08 afaik OM sends a number of spare with each pack of FR Mar 06 00:15:49 but im really happy to see its possible Mar 06 00:16:20 Hey, with all the brokenmokos around, what do you expect :D Mar 06 00:16:36 that, and joerg and I probably use half of them since we're so good at breaking things :P Mar 06 00:16:49 lol Mar 06 00:16:54 :) Mar 06 00:17:14 I half a cup full of caps here on my desk :P Mar 06 00:17:19 s/half/have/ Mar 06 00:17:19 Dave meant: I have a cup full of caps here on my desk :P Mar 06 00:17:44 * SpeedEvil wishes for something simple like an openmoko ebay store with all the crap in. Mar 06 00:18:06 yeah, that'd be sweet, so long as it wasn't overpriced Mar 06 00:18:33 Honestly, I see a bigger market for OM spare parts than Neo's :p Mar 06 00:22:43 I suppose considering their time and return postage eur89 is about right? Mar 06 00:24:49 return postage? Mar 06 00:26:37 oh, I didnt bother dropping that into a translator just thought it was for the screen Mar 06 00:27:02 http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm Mar 06 00:27:29 where are you? Mar 06 00:27:41 jones: where are you? Mar 06 00:27:42 scotland Mar 06 00:28:00 I'm in North ireland btw Mar 06 00:28:33 North ireland? not Northen Ireland? Mar 06 00:29:03 89.00 EUR=78.9350 GBP Mar 06 00:29:07 yeah Mar 06 00:29:19 yeah northern ireland Mar 06 00:29:28 For what!? Mar 06 00:29:34 Im gonna have to take a good look around at pricings Mar 06 00:29:44 screen replacement Mar 06 00:29:51 Oh! Mar 06 00:29:54 :) Mar 06 00:30:00 If the shipping was free, that'd be sweet Mar 06 00:30:06 yeah Mar 06 00:30:15 or reasonably cheap Mar 06 00:30:23 anyway Im gonna have to hit the sack early flight tomorrow Mar 06 00:30:28 I know that shipping from EU to US suck :D Mar 06 00:30:28 thanks for the help Mar 06 00:30:34 Good luck! :) Mar 06 00:30:44 jones: remember what Gordon says spend spend spend :) Mar 06 00:34:47 http://www.fukung.net/v/9966/df1492010bd8a0eb6cb0cf21c6899112.gif Daves status. Mar 06 00:35:24 :O Mar 06 00:36:34 shit is weak yo Mar 06 00:44:59 Dave: pulster said 89eur is incl shipping Mar 06 00:50:33 bye Mar 06 00:55:32 freesmartphone.org: 03alain2210 07framework * rb445a328b91c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/mediator.py: Mar 06 00:55:32 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] add customized versions of DeviceSetAntennaPower and SimGetAuthStatus to cope with Mar 06 00:55:32 freesmartphone.org: the modem's GSM 07.07 violations. Mar 06 01:41:26 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1312 Mar 06 02:59:57 Hmm... http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/03/nokia-lte-slide.jpg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 06 02:59:57 2009