**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 06 02:59:57 2009 Mar 06 03:20:12 does anyone have gprs working with their neo ? Mar 06 03:52:55 http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-software-discontinues-qt-extended Mar 06 03:53:00 ouch Mar 06 03:58:02 haha Mar 06 03:58:12 as if we didn't see THAT one coming.... Â¬_Â¬ Mar 06 03:59:45 dropped like a hot potato Mar 06 04:00:00 why did that happen? Mar 06 04:02:40 Virus. Mar 06 04:02:58 huh? Mar 06 04:03:56 Hey slaxin Mar 06 04:04:02 What's hapin Mar 06 04:09:41 wheres potter? Mar 06 04:11:20 Australia Mar 06 04:12:28 dead? Mar 06 04:12:36 discontinued, rather :D Mar 06 04:12:49 burn! Mar 06 04:20:37 Anyhoo, phones still suck, once again. Mar 06 04:20:42 I'm done for this evening. Mar 06 04:20:50 lulz Mar 06 04:35:37 qt extended-final anybody Mar 06 04:39:09 rooly here it is Mar 06 04:43:09 moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Mar 06 05:03:54 seems fast after using shr Mar 06 07:02:25 good morning Mar 06 07:04:24 Hi all, anyone know how to build openmoko for Blue Angel device? Mar 06 08:05:40 morning Mar 06 10:33:12 mÃ¤rf. updates "broke" my "desktop" <-- im missing all the icons Mar 06 10:40:56 Community news: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/February_20%2C_2009 Mar 06 11:10:10 well, the launcher does not show icons, only if i choose "slider" but thats not really usable Mar 06 11:13:58 ha, husku, guessed where you're from because of using ä in your märf :) You know about #openmoko-fi, too? Mar 06 11:14:23 rhkfin_: that channel was news to me :) Mar 06 12:10:22 is there a way i can "preload" an area from openstreetmaps.org for tangogps? Mar 06 12:10:31 without tangogps needing to re-download stuff? Mar 06 12:10:50 (apart from just scrolling tangogps and waiting ... Mar 06 12:11:30 click->download map->select level of maps -> ok Mar 06 12:11:57 he does anyone here have experiance with android on the neo freerunner? Mar 06 12:12:08 set the maps directory to /media/card/maps Mar 06 12:12:09 forex Mar 06 12:19:22 Hello! Short question: Anyone else having problems with the new efl release on shr-unstable? my desktop icons disappeared Mar 06 12:19:55 tomboy64: linking /home/root/Maps to /media/card/maps is a good idea.. Mar 06 12:20:10 devilshawk: husku Mar 06 12:20:35 rhkfin_, and then? Mar 06 12:21:02 can i simply dump stuff from osm.org there? Mar 06 12:21:07 yes Mar 06 12:21:10 it sticks Mar 06 12:21:14 cute Mar 06 12:21:17 thanks Mar 06 12:21:25 I recommend Mar 06 12:21:29 zoom out to world view Mar 06 12:21:46 then download 5 levels or so Mar 06 12:22:00 then zoom into the country you're interested in, and download another 5 levels Mar 06 12:22:20 and then in a month try yaouh Mar 06 12:22:21 and then for the areas you want, download to zoom 12 or so Mar 06 12:22:24 to update the tiles Mar 06 12:22:46 SpeedEvil, that i wanted to avoid Mar 06 12:22:56 can't i just dump raw data from osm for an area? Mar 06 12:23:16 tomboy64: no, can't.. Mar 06 12:23:27 tango uses .png image files Mar 06 12:23:27 heh Mar 06 12:23:32 wtf? Mar 06 12:23:35 yep Mar 06 12:23:42 hah Mar 06 12:23:45 talk bout ... Mar 06 12:23:48 navit uses vector map (though the format is not .osm) Mar 06 12:23:56 yes Mar 06 12:24:18 does shr have a navit package by now? Mar 06 12:24:31 That's why people have 300 000 png files on their cards.. Mar 06 12:24:37 would guess so? Mar 06 12:24:44 mhmm let's see Mar 06 12:24:51 Try the default navit from navir repositories, updated daily Mar 06 12:25:03 google for navit ipk Mar 06 12:25:08 k Mar 06 12:25:10 thx Mar 06 12:26:25 anyone here using latest shr-unstable? Mar 06 12:27:01 using testing here Mar 06 12:27:07 just flashed it on Mar 06 12:28:05 hmm... Mar 06 12:28:34 something borked my ewm settings, no desktop icons anymore Mar 06 12:31:13 rhkfin_: husku? Mar 06 12:33:01 devilshawk: post a few days ago when shr-testing was released said testing was the better bet Mar 06 12:33:09 as unstable was going to get Mar 06 12:33:24 major changes including some that would kill Mar 06 12:33:30 the display for awhile. Mar 06 12:34:36 billk: oh i missed that one! have been quite happy with unstable for the last month or so. is opkg able to downgrade to testing if i change the feeds? Mar 06 12:34:45 anyone happen to know about bluez 4 changes and what it breaks in code based on bluez 3 in terms of device discovery? Mar 06 12:35:08 devilshawk: you have backups right :) Mar 06 12:35:50 billk: backups?? what should there be to backup? Mar 06 12:35:50 I dont think opkg is that good at downgrading, but there is probably only a few packages to identify if you can. Mar 06 12:36:19 billk: all data is on a seperate partition Mar 06 12:36:21 The OS, your data, ... Mar 06 12:37:05 I backup an image so I can test /break things and flash back at will. Mar 06 12:38:20 billk: yeah, i will just install something else on a spare part and hope the fix it some day! :) Mar 06 12:44:24 hdevilshawk: Took awhile to find the name - look into neotool (ttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool) Mar 06 12:44:49 to build a flashable imageof a working system as a backup - very useful Mar 06 12:45:48 billk: i could just rsync to a seperate partition for backups, dont have the os in flash but lets see how downgrading works out Mar 06 12:46:54 devilshawk: good luck :) Mar 06 12:47:13 billk: thanks! ;) Mar 06 12:48:54 Actually, that brings up somethings about opkg thats always bothered me - it doesnt seem to keep a log of actions - gentoo's emerge does and its really Mar 06 12:49:14 handy being able to go back and see what changed when - miss it Mar 06 12:53:35 billk, that's why gentoo's being ported ;) Mar 06 12:54:49 hey, I just upgraded shr-testing; but now I no longer have any icons on the desktop! how to solve this? (the files in /usr/share/applications are still present Mar 06 13:05:12 th0br0: known problem, no known fix yet Mar 06 13:05:17 crap ok Mar 06 13:05:35 what causes it Mar 06 13:06:57 th0br0: unstable experimenting with new enlightenment version, i have been told there was a warning somewhere on the mailinglist, that this is going to happen Mar 06 13:07:13 ah ok :/ thanks. Mar 06 13:07:40 th0br0: missed it too! :) Mar 06 13:07:56 i -- personally -- am too lazy to read mailing lists most of the time :D Mar 06 13:08:02 so I didn#t really miss it Mar 06 13:08:17 but thanks anyway ;) Mar 06 13:08:25 as long as incoming calls still work... Mar 06 13:08:46 th0br0: but its probably this little section from the x.log thats responsible: Mar 06 13:09:45 "efreet_desktop_new error: no Desktop Entry section" Mar 06 13:09:45 Mar 06 13:10:40 interesting... ok. Mar 06 13:17:11 devilshawk/th0br0: extracted from email Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:07:54 +0100 (Mon, 00:07 WST) Mar 06 13:17:14 The other thing going to happen is unstable being rebased on to a newer EFL (enlightenment) Mar 06 13:17:14 revision. This is going to cause lots of things to break. Don't expect to be able to write Mar 06 13:17:14 SMS or edit contacts... expect it to segfault a lot instead - you have been warned ;) Mar 06 13:17:26 thanks :) Mar 06 14:13:35 so its actually possible to revert to testing without killing anything from the borked unstable. you just have to make sure that everything efl related is gone Mar 06 14:14:08 opkg -recursive remove is your friend Mar 06 14:14:31 change feeds to testing and reinstall Mar 06 14:15:05 all the enlightenment thingies are easy to discern by the common revision tag Mar 06 14:24:38 How can i get the launcher icons back on SHR unstable, they are gone since opkg upgrade yesterday Mar 06 14:26:08 Heinervdm: 15:17 < billk> devilshawk/th0br0: extracted from email Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:07:54 +0100 (Mon, 00:07 WST) Mar 06 14:26:11 15:17 < billk> The other thing going to happen is unstable being rebased on to a newer EFL (enlightenment) Mar 06 14:26:15 15:17 < billk> revision. This is going to cause lots of things to break. Don't expect to be able to write Mar 06 14:26:18 15:17 < billk> SMS or edit contacts... expect it to segfault a lot instead - you have been warned ;) Mar 06 14:26:23 :D Mar 06 14:26:26 Heinervdm: known problem, no known fix Mar 06 14:26:45 Heinervdm: the downside of upgrading unstable :) Things can break... Mar 06 14:26:52 Heinervdm: but you can revert to testing Mar 06 14:28:35 ok, if it's a kown problem than it's ok Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r975a2177e0db 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: query our network database if the provider's name is not known. This can happen for new providers and Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: old modems (guess what... :). Fixes FSO #355 and OM #2241. Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: Fixed also some bugs in querying the network database introduced by the last format revamp. Mar 06 15:23:15 ahoi! Mar 06 15:38:57 miten .ipk -paketin saa auki? Mar 06 15:41:02 oops.. meant 'how do I open a .ipk to see the files'? Mar 06 15:41:34 mä olen avannu gnomen file-rollerilla ;) Mar 06 15:42:04 ;) Mar 06 15:42:35 ah, it's tar.gz. Thanks :) Mar 06 16:09:36 rhkfin_: AFAIK "ar" works Mar 06 16:10:24 it's not tar.gz, I think Mar 06 16:14:02 The ipk format is an "ar" archive, which contains (among other things) a couple of tar.gz files for control and data info. Mar 06 16:14:54 dpkg for the poor and homele^W^W^W^Wless powerful machines Mar 06 16:16:40 ipks seem to be valid deb files, btw... Mar 06 16:16:51 at least, dpkg installs them. Mar 06 16:17:40 i remember someone having a .deb file thinking the same... but it was some strange nokia nWhatever package format. not dpkg... Mar 06 16:17:53 similar though. but it fscked his dpkg pretty good... Mar 06 16:18:44 yeah ipkgs are derived from deb Mar 06 16:18:49 and deb is ar Mar 06 16:19:08 hmm.. I wonder if that's the reason why installing some packages fail.. hmph.. Mar 06 16:22:43 openmoko: 03werner * r4952 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/series: Starting the cleanup. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 06 16:41:29 2009 Mar 06 16:54:47 DocScrutinizer: this AGPS fix you mentioned, is it available anywhere? Mar 06 16:55:36 I know your information is secondhand, but it's better than mine. :-) Mar 06 16:55:46 dunno exactly. seems I remember some checkin. not sure though Mar 06 16:56:36 I would assume that some relevant change would be reflected somewhere in: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/feeds/ right? Mar 06 16:57:57 i'm trying to find out Mar 06 17:33:10 SM2k: if you were talking about fix to FSO to make uploading ephemeris work, then it's available in FSO git. Mar 06 17:33:35 that's what I was looking for, yes Mar 06 17:34:41 do you know which project I'm looking for? Mar 06 17:47:57 SM2k: sure, it's in frameworkd Mar 06 17:48:08 thanks Mar 06 17:48:44 :) Mar 06 17:49:51 hi Paul! :) Mar 06 17:52:39 DocScrutinizer: Hi Joerg :) Mar 06 18:00:17 PaulFertser: do you think it's worth to answer the weird ideas to fix "no bass" issue in [community]? Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0d1ce53f338e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Decode userdata even if we encounter errors Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: This will retry to decode UCS-2 userdata with the replace policy if Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: decoding with strict didn't work. The errors property will still have Mar 06 18:00:44 freesmartphone.org: "Userdata corrupt" set, but the userdata will actually contain whatever Mar 06 18:00:46 freesmartphone.org: we were able to decode. Problematic characters are replaced by the Mar 06 18:00:48 freesmartphone.org: unicode replace character (\ufffd). Fixes FSO #291. Mar 06 18:02:16 DocScrutinizer: Looks like that, community needs an advice of knowledgeable EE. I'm not sure how many people will benefit from having a SOP for bass fix though. Mar 06 18:02:43 PaulFertser: you know I'd risk another dispute with some other repliant Mar 06 18:03:39 I really like to avoid any starting point for such dispute Mar 06 18:03:43 DocScrutinizer: Will it help if you will not touch software stuff and give answer from a purely hardware POI? Mar 06 18:04:05 hmm, not really Mar 06 18:05:18 maybe it helps to place my answer way up in thread so it's clear I didn't answer to *him* Mar 06 18:06:56 DocScrutinizer: yes, answer to the end-user directly and don't CC him :) But really, a good technical advice is needed wrt bass and unfortunately i'm not knowledgeable enough to give it myself. (weird ways == using one cap for both channels) this one was already answered btw. Mar 06 18:07:35 yup, but not comprehensively Mar 06 18:07:59 BTW, i didn't think about 1206 caps back then so i'm not sure it won't fit under the can. Mar 06 18:08:50 best technical advice is to place two decent 100u next to AUX or BT-ant Mar 06 18:10:28 another idea was to prepare a flat array of small Cs and place this inide can, "1.floor" Mar 06 18:11:23 I haven't verified yet if my attempt at rework somehow influences wifi btw :( Mar 06 18:12:19 But what about 1206 100uF caps, is it really impossible to find a good place inside the can? Mar 06 18:12:22 for the hardcore modders though: throw out useless amp chip and wire hs-jack directly to 8753 via two blackgates 100u Mar 06 18:12:41 s/wifi/bt/ Mar 06 18:13:11 (find place) tough to impossible Mar 06 18:15:22 (blackgates) the guys doing that were using wm89xx codecs, do you think 8753 is as good? Mar 06 18:16:47 yup Mar 06 18:17:59 the amp was a must have for stereo gta01. it's plain silly for mono gta02 Mar 06 18:18:40 qemu-0.10.0 released, is any hope that qemu-neo1973 will be rebased and gta01/gta02 will goes to upstream? Mar 06 18:25:35 PaulFertser: another good place for decent decoupling Cs is near bupbat. you even have a hole in PCB to route the wires, next to aux switch and gmeter Mar 06 18:29:25 DocScrutinizer: Probably it'll be harder to properly shield? Mar 06 18:30:12 DocScrutinizer: and i'm not sure 2 big tantalum caps will fit there... Mar 06 18:30:24 maybe find some very thin 2wire+shield cable like occasionally found in turntable levers Mar 06 18:30:41 (fit)easily Mar 06 18:31:23 you got "headroom (1.floor)" there as well Mar 06 18:32:27 Hm, using superglue for my caps wasn't the best idea, i'm not sure i'll be able to remove them for testing... Mar 06 18:32:43 (shielded wires) just because they cross some clocked areas inside can Mar 06 18:33:10 But the caps themselves can pickup GSM, i'm afraid. Mar 06 18:33:43 yup Mar 06 18:34:01 Easily fit, but how to properly secure them? Glue on top of backup bat? Mar 06 18:34:03 you need to cover them with some copper sticky Mar 06 18:34:43 (fix) yup, hotglue, or similar Mar 06 18:37:32 also don't forget a ferrite bead next to the hole Mar 06 18:38:35 (ferrite) is it really needed if the caps and wires are shielded? Mar 06 18:39:30 yup, otherwise GSM creeps in along the wire shield and spreads everywhere once it's inside can Mar 06 18:40:57 DocScrutinizer: no, i mean i placed the caps and the wires on top of the can, if i shield the caps and wires together, will it suffice? Mar 06 18:40:59 much the same way it's happening now with micbias trace from jk4401:4, just worse Mar 06 18:41:26 ahh, Mar 06 18:42:43 if you placed wires (short distance) completely under same shield like Cs, and the additional shield is tightly coupled to can, that should suffice Mar 06 18:44:51 be aware though it's not sufficient to contact shield sticky to can at one point. You'd create an antenna this way. You need to "close the bag" all the way around the Cs Mar 06 19:16:08 DocScrutinizer: tried to apply a piece of foil (from a candy, with paper on the other side) to my caps in a lazy-ass way (placed it over there trying to make it at least partially connect to the can and assembled the case). Now when calling my phone i can hear GSM interference from the main speaker only if i hold it near the ear. I plugged in the headphones and i can hear the other side of gsm conversation without any buzz at all. Mar 06 19:17:59 hmm, ok. EMI isn't a science. You might get away with not shielding anything at all. Depends on so many factors Mar 06 19:18:44 but very likely you'll find your candy paper isn't worth much anyway ;-) Mar 06 19:19:08 DocScrutinizer: no without shielding i hear every gsm event on internal speaker and buzz on headphones :) BTW, using 1800 (?) arcfn 520, rxlev 28-31, txlev 1. Mar 06 19:19:25 DocScrutinizer: good for monitoring GPRS actually Mar 06 19:19:38 :) Mar 06 19:20:00 Candy paper is great! :p Mar 06 19:20:05 :D Mar 06 19:21:19 DocScrutinizer: do you think i should still try to unglue my caps to check for WiFi range (cyanoacrylate), if yes, how? :) Mar 06 19:21:40 don't miss on buying some cartons of this candy right now, to sell them one by one to other modders ;-) Otherwise you may find you can't get this very special particular paper anymore eventually Mar 06 19:22:04 s/wifi/bt/ Mar 06 19:22:21 no I'd not recommend to do this Mar 06 19:22:57 So this is BT after all? :) Mar 06 19:23:02 yup Mar 06 19:23:31 The big green box? Mar 06 19:23:42 :) Mar 06 19:24:33 wifi is the "blue box" Mar 06 19:25:40 I see, you mislead me that time :) What is the "normal" range for FR's BT? Can i just somehow check for no regressions with this "rework"? Mar 06 19:27:05 hm, difficult questions both Mar 06 19:28:43 (that time) severe flu back then iirc. sorry Mar 06 19:29:15 (check) no idea atm Mar 06 19:32:20 (flu) no problem, i'm glad you're well now. Mar 06 19:35:41 well, not entirely yet. half germany infects one onother every 2 weeks this year :-/ Mar 06 19:36:06 I thought flu doesn't work like that, once you're over it, you're immune to it, no? Mar 06 19:36:31 hmmmm Mar 06 19:36:53 well probably a fast mutating one this time. no idea Mar 06 19:37:41 or it hides for some days, then starts over again to make you feel sick once more Mar 06 19:38:09 Yeah, viruses are nasty Mar 06 19:38:56 well, need some dinner. cya Mar 06 19:39:06 Thanks for advice again :) Mar 06 19:39:19 np. was a pleasure Mar 06 19:43:08 Hi Mar 06 19:43:25 is there any expert on Xorg keycodes Mar 06 19:43:43 I want to control some pc games with the neo Mar 06 19:44:43 but the keycodes seem to be interpreted falsely Mar 06 19:45:38 for instance i execute XTestFakeKeyEvent(dpy, XK_Return, True, 0), but then no return is sent to the host computer Mar 06 19:46:36 XK_Return is interpreted as the 4 key Mar 06 19:46:59 is it the neo's or the host's fault, or how can I debug this problem Mar 06 19:47:08 dpy is the host's X server Mar 06 19:47:14 the program runs on the neo Mar 06 20:15:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rccd9b34456e0 10/framework/config.py: config: dump milliseconds also to find out where our time gets spent Mar 06 20:15:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7fcaf23aab35 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: Mar 06 20:15:25 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] fix power control (only significant when using fso-abyss, otherwise gsm0710muxd will Mar 06 20:15:25 freesmartphone.org: handle that) Mar 06 20:15:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9532f5e5c3f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/cinterion_mc75/modem.py: Mar 06 20:15:28 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [CINTERION MC75] add power control and request paths from fso-abyss Mar 06 20:15:30 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: On mc75, we always use fso-abyss. There's no configuration option. Mar 06 20:17:25 openmoko: 03Nytowl * r4953 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-3d7k/ (9 files): Add dummy alsa scenario files for 3d7k Mar 06 20:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5131b67a20c8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Mar 06 20:21:46 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: DeviceGetInfo: According to GSM 07.07, it's legal to not answer quoting the prefixes for Mar 06 20:21:46 freesmartphone.org: these four informational requests, hence we allow all prefixes. Mar 06 20:21:46 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Yes, this opens a slight possibility of unsolicited creeping unnoticed into. Mar 06 20:21:49 freesmartphone.org: To fix this properly, we would need to enhance the prefixmap to also specify Mar 06 20:21:51 freesmartphone.org: something like: [ "+CGMR", "+CGMM", "+CGMI", "+CGSN", "plaintext" ], with "plaintext" being Mar 06 20:21:54 freesmartphone.org: everything else that does _not_ look like a response. Mar 06 21:01:51 ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }' gives out the ip for dropbear to listen on Mar 06 21:02:07 what would i have to change for dropbear also to listen on wifi connections? Mar 06 21:02:36 ah, nvm Mar 06 21:12:19 that's so strange. apparently skype has some sort of allergic reaction to the openmoko. it logs out and back in whenever I plug in the phone. Mar 06 21:15:35 SM2k: this is because of the ethernet-over-usb-interface that appears in your system Mar 06 21:16:32 Hopscotch: but why does the appearance of another network interface bother it so much? 8-) Mar 06 21:18:08 perhaps there is a dhcp-server on your phone and the pc resets its default route to usb? Mar 06 21:21:34 _291974078: á, ÐÏÎÑÔÎÏ. ðÒÉ×ÅÔ, îÉËÏÌÑ :) îÕ ÔÁË ÄÅÌÁ, ÐÏ-ÒÁÚÎÏÍÕ. ÷ÏÔ × ÓÌÅÄ. ÐÑÔÎÉÃÕ "ÐÏ×ÅÄÕ" Ó×ÏÉÈ ÓÔÕÄÅÎÔÏ× × ÐÏÌÉÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÉÊ ÍÕÚÅÊ. Mar 06 21:22:15 Can I quote you on that, PaulFertser ? Mar 06 21:23:26 NO CARRIER Mar 06 21:23:55 is there a way to make opkg autoclean packages that were installed as a dependency? Mar 06 21:24:11 mwester: Hm, i'm sorry i'm spamming the channel again. But feel free to quote, this should make me a good PR, because it translates as "i'm going to go with my students to the Polytechnic Museum next friday" ;) Mar 06 21:24:17 or do i always have to specify "-autoremove" when "remove"ing a package? Mar 06 21:25:35 PaulFertser: Well, enjoy the trip! But it looks like entirely too many vowels for that! Mar 06 21:26:07 Yo, what's the CLI command to suspend the FR? Mar 06 21:26:13 apm -s Mar 06 21:26:38 Cool, thanks. :) Mar 06 21:27:10 I have SHR-unstable, and aside from the icons all disappearing, the menu that comes up when I hit the power button has greyed out everything except lock, which doesn't work anyways. Mar 06 21:27:26 This happened after my last upgrade. Mar 06 21:27:56 mwester: I've omitted something like "Yes, i understand. Hi, Kolya, i'm fine thanks." from translation because it obviously doesn't have any meaning here :) Russian is not like japanese (remember "Lost in Translation"?) :) Mar 06 21:28:01 So I'm eagerly anticipating an update that fixes all this... :P Mar 06 21:28:59 Digital_Pioneer: unstable is back to its normal state: being unstable ;) Mar 06 21:29:12 Heheheh Mar 06 21:29:20 Yeah, but it kicks the crap out of testing. Mar 06 21:31:04 Digital_Pioneer: (all icons disappeared) somebody's mentioned that after E update some menu file was missing and after you get it back, everything's fine again. Mar 06 21:33:02 PaulFertser: I don't suppose you know by any chance which it is and how to get it back do you? :P Mar 06 21:33:20 The slider interface is a nightmare. Mar 06 21:33:54 Remoko quit working too, says it can't find module remoko.remoko_server, though /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/remoko/remoko_server.py{,c} exist... :\ Mar 06 21:34:18 Digital_Pioneer: my best experience with E was on the friend's iPAQ, as Debian doesn't have it packaged in a sane way yet :) so, i don't know. Ask dos1 or mrmoku about it :) Or probably someone's even posted an answer to some mailing list... Mar 06 21:35:48 Digital_Pioneer: or you can compare E packages contents from testing with yours. Mar 06 21:36:24 Digital_Pioneer: i'm asking dos1 for you atm. Mar 06 21:36:35 Cool, thanks. :) Mar 06 21:36:48 I haven't seen a real solution on the community mailing list... Mar 06 21:37:16 Just to use slider icons. Bleh. Mar 06 21:42:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc43118267096 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): ogsmd: split DeviceGetFeatures() into individual commands, since not all are always supported Mar 06 21:45:59 Digital_Pioneer: dos1 doesn't know, says it's probably upstream problem. But if i were you, i'd still try to compare shr-testing and shr-unstable packages contents. Mar 06 21:46:41 no icons at all on the home screen in the SHR from mar 5? Mar 06 21:47:30 smells like fail Mar 06 21:48:44 silly question: there's "university program" page on wiki with list of projects, but I can't find any explanation what this "university program" is. Can anyone enlighten me? :) Mar 06 21:49:15 wow! Mar 06 21:49:25 it's incredible how unusable midori is -.- Mar 06 21:51:22 k, with SHR, i can RECEIVE calls/msgs(something comes up), but no way to send Mar 06 21:55:20 ColdFyre, works fine with me Mar 06 21:55:35 ColdFyre, don't use unstable; it's broken. Mar 06 21:56:24 gislan_, the university program is some kind of rebate-program for big (>10) orders of freerunners for students Mar 06 21:56:36 gislan_, iirc ... Mar 06 21:58:12 tomboy64: ah, thanks Mar 06 21:58:58 btw any luck with running OM on htc g1? Mar 06 22:00:43 no idea Mar 06 22:01:57 I did it Mar 06 22:02:15 I finally did play tux racer with the accelerometers Mar 06 22:02:25 its awesome Mar 06 22:03:29 will send a video tomorrow on youtube Mar 06 22:03:58 is it possible without 3d acceleration on neo? Mar 06 22:04:20 e.g. don't it very slow? Mar 06 22:05:52 no Mar 06 22:06:01 tuxracer runs on my notebook Mar 06 22:06:10 the neo works as an input device Mar 06 22:06:27 would be too slow on the neo, youre right Mar 06 22:27:09 PaulFertser: Is there any easy way to do that? :P Mar 06 22:27:37 Digital_Pioneer: i don't know, looks like it's not the problem anyway. So just wait for the SHR devs to solve it. Mar 06 22:27:48 Heheh, fair enough. :P Mar 06 22:41:45 has anyone managed to usb ssh using openwrt? Mar 06 22:42:36 I installed usbnet and still usb0 isn't showing up Mar 06 23:06:07 Ack! The suspend button died on my Fr, so I use `apm -s` but as soon as it's suspended, it wakes up again. Mar 06 23:06:12 How do I prevent this? Mar 06 23:07:22 Digital_Pioneer: apm -s is not exactly correct given you're using GSM Mar 06 23:07:37 Digital_Pioneer: you better issue the suspend request via mdbus Mar 06 23:07:56 And how do you go about doing that? :\ Mar 06 23:12:28 Digital_Pioneer: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend obviously. Mar 06 23:12:55 Digital_Pioneer: you can explore many FSO calls with mdbus -s Mar 06 23:13:16 PaulFertser: Oh, yes, obviously. ;P Mar 06 23:14:51 Ahh, good. :) Mar 06 23:15:57 Well, in the absence of any useable way to run programs without SSH... Mar 06 23:16:15 * Digital_Pioneer writes script "while true; do openmoko-dialer; done;" and runs it in background. Mar 06 23:16:34 My phone is... ONLY.... A phone for now. :\ Mar 06 23:17:17 Digital_Pioneer: what's the problem with SSH? Mar 06 23:17:48 PaulFertser: Ehh, nothing, except I don't ALWAYS have my laptop and mini-USB cable just sitting around... I'm weird, I know. Mar 06 23:17:58 :))) Mar 06 23:21:59 finally got debian on uSD but blast it, can't ssh to it Mar 06 23:22:10 LOL Mar 06 23:23:18 glad to entertain Mar 06 23:25:57 badcloud! Mar 06 23:25:59 :-D Mar 06 23:27:03 Daveo Mar 06 23:27:41 spare a minute to help? Mar 06 23:28:02 With what? Mar 06 23:28:13 ssh via usb Mar 06 23:28:27 ~_~ Mar 06 23:28:28 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 06 23:28:34 usb0 is no bloody where to be found Mar 06 23:28:42 -_- Mar 06 23:28:44 on your PC? Mar 06 23:28:51 router Mar 06 23:28:51 ~_~ Mar 06 23:28:52 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 06 23:28:55 Heheh Mar 06 23:28:56 my pc's dead Mar 06 23:29:02 o_O Mar 06 23:29:06 Who killed it? Mar 06 23:29:07 s/_/_/ Mar 06 23:29:10 I had to salvage Mar 06 23:29:19 god did, Dave Mar 06 23:29:37 6 years old Mar 06 23:29:42 it was time Mar 06 23:29:46 faulty Mar 06 23:29:52 motherboard Mar 06 23:31:24 so, Davo, what am I missing? I loaded the usbnet module, installed hotplug2 Mar 06 23:31:24 :( Mar 06 23:31:27 ~_~ Mar 06 23:31:29 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 06 23:31:33 ??? Mar 06 23:31:35 wtf? Mar 06 23:31:35 it should be there? Mar 06 23:31:38 dmesg? Mar 06 23:31:46 it's there Mar 06 23:32:02 ~_~ :) Mar 06 23:32:15 assigned address 20 Mar 06 23:32:38 hmm Mar 06 23:32:43 but it doesn't show up?? ifconfig -a Mar 06 23:32:44 do I need to alter the network config file? Mar 06 23:33:01 nope Mar 06 23:33:19 ifconfig -a|grep usb Mar 06 23:33:23 noting Mar 06 23:33:32 *nothing Mar 06 23:34:22 /etc/networking/interfaces ? Mar 06 23:35:09 no lines in it defining usb. should I edit one in? Mar 06 23:35:43 uhh Mar 06 23:35:49