**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 02:59:57 2009 Mar 07 04:43:14 4.4.3 qt is very fast Mar 07 07:20:59 is there a 2.6.28 image that can be used with Qt Extended? Mar 07 07:21:21 * pabs3 heard 2.6.28 increases the standby time to several days Mar 07 07:58:19 SHR uses 2.6.28 Mar 07 08:06:57 I'm looking for a uImage+modules, not a whole distribution Mar 07 08:07:25 anyways, using the unstable one (2.6.29-rc2) Mar 07 08:52:20 Anyone here hear a very high, silent noise when the screen is in horizontal mode (in 2008.12 at least)? Mar 07 08:55:17 rhkfin_: yes, also noticed it... Mar 07 09:25:51 sakkara: on what distro? Mar 07 09:27:24 <|Leto|> sheeesh Mar 07 09:27:32 <|Leto|> no sound at all from my openmoko Mar 07 09:27:41 <|Leto|> shr-testing remains silent Mar 07 09:44:02 rhkfin_: shr Mar 07 09:44:12 ok Mar 07 09:45:06 interesting though.. I'd guess it has something to do with hardware.. I don't think it's the speaker that makes it and if it was, it's weird that screen and speaker would be connected some way.. Mar 07 09:45:39 rhkfin_: also by touching screen sometimes i notice this very high tone Mar 07 09:46:06 i think it is hardware related Mar 07 09:49:04 want to post it to the mailing lists to see if more have it & then create a trac item? Mar 07 09:59:40 trac item won'tfix, for sure ;-) Mar 07 09:59:48 what kinda bug is that? Mar 07 10:00:20 s/won'tfix/invalid/ Mar 07 10:07:00 DocScrutinizer: bug/feature/whatever but when you rotate the screen to horizontal (xrandr) there's a silent, very high tone you can hear Mar 07 10:08:39 when I listen to the charger of my logitech mouse there's also a slight high tone. I don't think I can make a point it is a bug though Mar 07 10:12:19 you'd be amazed what tones you could notice quite a lot of devices are emitting if you could hear up to 20 or even 40kHz. Each CRT is creating tones at hsync and vsync. TV this is even ~16kHz. Is it a bug? no as long as it won't hurt your ear in *normal* usage Mar 07 10:16:04 so please don't pester trac maintainer by filing a "bug" where trac has no appropriate severity and priority setting for Mar 07 10:17:39 you know it's BUG trac not wiki "funny observations" page Mar 07 10:17:46 On some distro/kernel combinations people don't hear it Mar 07 10:20:06 *sigh* so what's your suggestion??? should I create a beepfix similar to buzzfix SOP??? Mar 07 10:21:01 as if there wasn't enough other topics in trac Mar 07 10:21:18 heh :) Patience, patience :) Mar 07 10:23:42 No, I don't think a HW fix SOP is required but if someone has the time & skills & interest to have a look at it I suppose it wouldn't be too bad to have a (human-ear) silent phone. Not everyone having this tells me that it's possible. And if it's a HW thing then maybe it could be addressed in the future HW versions with very little effort or something? Mar 07 10:23:58 (and generally I think discouraging people to write bug reps is bad policy..) Mar 07 10:24:03 probably Mar 07 10:24:28 it's likely to be some inductor vibrating due to load or something. Mar 07 10:24:53 Then again - 03 is a pretty much - clean sheet. Mar 07 10:25:08 (addressed)no cant. ceramic caps have piezo properties Mar 07 10:25:30 and the likelyhood of reworking 02s is small Mar 07 10:26:02 btw emphasis on *B*U*G* Mar 07 10:27:40 wtf is it so loud you hear it during call or while half a meter away? or do you just plan to use your FR for a pillow? ;-) Mar 07 10:28:39 half a meter away yes, during a call yes (having your ear right next to the phone) Mar 07 10:28:56 then it's actually a bug Mar 07 10:29:11 (TOLD YOU!!!) :) Mar 07 10:29:16 please go ahead file one right away Mar 07 10:29:18 sorry Mar 07 10:29:25 Thanks for listening :) Mar 07 10:29:29 np Mar 07 10:30:51 I suppose it would be worth trying newer kernels than 2.6.24 for 2008.12? Mar 07 10:33:55 i guess it's interference to audio section and amp not powered down in some (most) of the rootfs/kernel-alsadrivers Mar 07 10:35:03 maybe you could insert hp and check if you can hear it as well ? Mar 07 10:35:49 also - the exact frequency could be of use Mar 07 10:35:54 or explicitly shut down amp? Mar 07 10:35:58 in tracing stuff down Mar 07 10:36:07 if you've got that sort of test gear Mar 07 10:36:14 how do I shut down amp? Mar 07 10:36:21 a way to reproduce is more important Mar 07 10:36:33 yes, true Mar 07 10:36:41 DocScrutinizer: flash & DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -3 :) Mar 07 10:36:49 Writing a trac ticket Mar 07 10:37:07 -o 3 Mar 07 10:37:11 alsamixer or sysfs maybe or gpio Mar 07 10:37:33 no time to elaborate right now Mar 07 10:37:59 ok, thanks Mar 07 10:38:13 pull AMP_SHUT to speak hw-talk Mar 07 10:39:24 rhkfin_: s3c24xx-gpio J1=1 (to pull up, 0 to pull down) Mar 07 10:39:56 and the command would be....? Mar 07 10:40:01 there should be a alsa.control as well, no? Mar 07 10:40:07 rhkfin_: "s3c24xx-gpio J1=1" Mar 07 10:40:34 somewhere around #90 Mar 07 10:40:45 Yes, look like it's "Amp Spk Switch" 94 Mar 07 10:41:24 PaulFert`: command not found.. I'll try with alsamixer Mar 07 10:41:41 better Mar 07 10:42:05 amp spk switch doesn't have any effect Mar 07 10:42:49 rhkfin_: no wonder, you're using inferior distro :p Mar 07 10:42:55 I know :) Mar 07 10:43:14 rhkfin_: as to the actual problem... Hm, do you hear the noise with the main speaker detached? Mar 07 10:43:36 I'd think yes but I'll check Mar 07 10:44:30 rhkfin_: Are you using .24 kernel? Mar 07 10:45:25 PaulFert`: yes Mar 07 10:45:38 went through all mute options in alsamixer, no effect Mar 07 10:45:39 rhkfin_: If yes, then probably there's no sense in trying to reproduce it, as LCM handling changed quite a lot since then. Mar 07 10:45:48 LCM being? Mar 07 10:45:55 rhkfin_: display Mar 07 10:45:59 oh, ok Mar 07 10:46:06 liqiud cristal module Mar 07 10:46:45 So I'll try a newer kernel (any recommendations for 2008.12?) and see what happens.. Mar 07 10:47:53 that's funny, changing between xrandr -o 3 adn -1 the frequency changes Mar 07 10:48:13 rhkfin_: I think any kernel will allow you to boot unless bootscripts are too picky. I'm not sure what state stable is currently is, but Andy was going to maintain it for the "testing team", probably it will have all the recent fixes soon. Try latest andy-tracking. Mar 07 10:49:01 ok Mar 07 10:50:03 rhkfin_: if it doesn't work, try b9de904e7aadd7b37c4035fd5d6f59e5f80089b6 Mar 07 10:52:52 anyway this might be of relevance to better understand WSOD and related issues Mar 07 10:54:55 I really wonder if it's LCM itself as there are few other components involved in screen orientation that can actually make any noise at all Mar 07 11:00:31 Umm... Mar 07 11:00:47 LCM should be driven just the same whatever the rotation surely? Mar 07 11:01:06 It's the glamo that does the rotation, the LCM timings stay just the same. Mar 07 11:02:57 and the framebuffer RAM is inside the glamo - so it makes no sense at all. Mar 07 11:03:51 rhkfin_: couldn't be the way you're holding it differing with xrandr, making you hear it one way round? Mar 07 11:04:28 I have it on the table all the time, not moving (me or the phone) Mar 07 11:05:42 didn't hear anything with my shr-testing Mar 07 11:06:09 Bane^: what kernel Mar 07 11:08:55 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Fri Feb 27 07:52:39 EET 2009 armv4tl unknown Mar 07 11:09:01 ok Mar 07 11:11:25 could be my hearing, though :) Mar 07 11:13:03 I'd like to measure the frequency or compare.. hey, I have a hifi test cd :) Mar 07 11:17:46 actually, keeping the phone next my ear and messing with xrand, i can hear it. Mar 07 11:18:04 .. Mar 07 11:20:18 you must have some kind of superpowers if you hear that when not you're not keeping the phone next to your ear Mar 07 11:20:37 superears :) Mar 07 11:20:54 Does it change when you switch between 3 and 1 Mar 07 11:21:27 or maybe just not-damaged ears.. Mar 07 11:21:41 could be ;) Mar 07 11:22:30 hey pips Mar 07 11:23:38 i didn't notice anything different with 3 and 1 Mar 07 11:23:47 Bane^: ok Mar 07 11:25:10 i don't even hear it unless i push my ear right next to the display. When keeping my ear next to the speaker i can't hear anything Mar 07 11:25:22 but seems normal to me Mar 07 11:26:56 anyone know how to run apt-get without running the debian installer? Mar 07 11:27:07 that's why I was so reluctant to accept a bug here Mar 07 11:27:59 hmm.. Mar 07 11:28:15 Bane^: rhkfin_ - how old are you - roughtly Mar 07 11:28:31 people under 20 or so have lots better HF hearing. Mar 07 11:28:40 27 roughly :) Mar 07 11:29:07 rhkfin_: could you reduce screen light to 5% and check for change? Mar 07 11:29:25 DocScrutinizer: will ty Mar 07 11:29:28 try Mar 07 11:29:40 shellevil: not nowadays ;P Mar 07 11:30:05 I'm 22 Mar 07 11:30:29 ah, Fawlty Towers... I can't remember laughing so hard Mar 07 11:30:48 DocScrutinizer: no change no matter what's the backlight brightness Mar 07 11:31:47 rhkfin_: i assume screen content isn't changing massively as well Mar 07 11:32:15 between distros or orientation Mar 07 11:32:28 like white theme vs black Mar 07 11:33:29 I have illume-theme installed. I'll try the white flashlight of orrery.. Mar 07 11:33:43 rhkfin_: does firmly pressing the screen change anything? Mar 07 11:34:12 (haven't yet been able to install a newer kernel.. Need to update uboot -> qi, kernel & distro...) Mar 07 11:35:03 DocScrutinizer: white screen, no effect. Mar 07 11:36:06 It's very well focused / only in one direction, away from the screen. Taking it away as far as my hand reaches I can hear it, turning it a bit away from my head's direction it gets quieter Mar 07 11:37:18 rhkfin_: uboot can boot any kernel Mar 07 11:37:20 rhkfin_: dunno if it's feasible to tweak X.conf for a little higher frequency Mar 07 11:38:25 rhkfin_: btw, i've booted 2007 (as i never flashed the rootfs) with andy-tracking without issues ;) Mar 07 11:38:43 PaulFert`: not bad! Mar 07 11:39:00 Are there images forandy-tracking somewhere. takes ages to compile it.. Mar 07 11:39:13 rhkfin_: (without issues == allowed me to ssh in and change uSD card contents, haven't tried GSM or anything else :) ) Mar 07 11:39:19 :) Mar 07 11:40:08 PaulFert`: prolly sysfs changed fubar Mar 07 11:40:15 rhkfin_: http://people.openmoko.org/andy Mar 07 11:40:52 DocScrutinizer: It's ironic how calling a kernel "Andy's" is ok, while calling uSD image yours is not. Mar 07 11:41:38 I somehow managed to avoid this answer, though I thought the same immediately Mar 07 11:42:09 nevermind, not worth the keyboard wear Mar 07 11:43:39 DocScrutinizer: But. Surely the LCM is driven at exactly the same speed - the only thing that changes is the bit inside the glamo that says 'read out the framebuffer sideways' ? Mar 07 11:43:55 * shellevil may be confused again. Mar 07 11:44:35 I know we switch mode in jbt4711.c lcm controller chip driver Mar 07 11:44:38 * shellevil votes for filling rhkfins ears with beeswax. Mar 07 11:45:39 shellevil: then the 'very low volume during calls' becomes an issue :) Mar 07 11:45:41 * PaulFert` votes for convincing rhkfin_ to join the SHR development Mar 07 11:46:11 so I suspekt LCM to expose another flaw here Mar 07 11:46:20 * rhkfin_ votes for convincing rhkfin_ to forget 2008.12 Mar 07 11:46:21 like with WSOD Mar 07 11:47:03 Hmm. I know raster said glamo can do rotation. Mar 07 11:47:12 rhkfin_: fix R3004/5 and low volume of call will never again be an issue ;-) Mar 07 11:47:14 DocScrutinizer: pressing the screen doesn't affect Mar 07 11:47:16 I don't recall any statements that it does do rotation. Mar 07 11:47:22 DocScrutinizer: :) Mar 07 11:47:28 (n the xrandr case) Mar 07 11:48:31 rh: does it do this on battery and off? Mar 07 11:48:32 DocScrutinizer: btw, i'm starting to miss my audible GSM interference, starting to check for incoming messages in a paranoid once-a-minute way (in case frameworkd fails to generate a sound). A good idea for the next device: special path to receive interference (with kill-switch of course). Mar 07 11:48:45 rhkfin_: on battery and usb Mar 07 11:49:09 PaulFert`: ;P Mar 07 11:49:14 * shellevil passes PaulFert`an unshielded amplified speaker. Mar 07 11:49:43 shellevil: how am i supposed to fit it in FR's case? ;) Mar 07 11:50:28 rhkfin_: shellevil's questin is a good point Mar 07 11:51:38 also - does it start or stop making noise if at teh same time you do md5sum /dev/zero Mar 07 11:54:12 s/zero/random/ ;-) Mar 07 11:58:09 md5sum /dev/zero - no effect Mar 07 11:59:47 on battery or battery+usb, no effect Mar 07 12:00:03 * rhkfin_ starts to look crazy to everyone here :) Mar 07 12:00:24 slightly press the cans' lids? Mar 07 12:02:06 Putting my ear right next to the phone & pressing the LCD and I can hear a bit lower (still ~high) voice (a very silent one) that stops when I remove my finger Mar 07 12:02:24 But other than that pressing around the phone/screen has no effect Mar 07 12:02:39 * rhkfin_ has a headache with this beeping :/ Mar 07 12:02:53 I'll try now to flash a newer kernel.. Mar 07 12:03:13 strange Mar 07 12:05:21 I'll try to remember all these tests & add to the track ticket.. Mar 07 12:09:47 rhkfin_: have you tried plugging in headset? Mar 07 12:10:37 SpeedEvil: I did but it itself has no effect Mar 07 12:11:05 Bu I also can't hear anything through the headphones (though not sure, should check Mar 07 12:11:27 Try submerging the phone in extra-virgin olive oil. Mar 07 12:11:35 :) Mar 07 12:12:07 werner recommends liquid copper Mar 07 12:12:17 hmm.. stable from here won't start http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ Mar 07 12:12:22 (installed the modules too.. Mar 07 12:13:07 you could try the fso-console image for gsm-flashing Mar 07 12:13:27 DocScrutinizer: does it include X at all? Mar 07 12:14:00 hmm dunno, maybe you need to install a few packages Mar 07 12:15:11 no X Mar 07 12:15:59 you haven't dropped the phone? Mar 07 12:17:08 SpeedEvil: not more than usual.. Mar 07 12:20:03 <|Leto|> what can i do if i want to build with libsdl-x11 instead of libsdl-native in the toolchain? Mar 07 12:21:03 If it's not via audio/speaker, the only components I see that could cause a noise are B1801/2/3 and the whole gang of 1uF C1801..1814 Mar 07 12:21:11 plus LCM itself of course Mar 07 12:23:16 I don't however see any difference between distris/kernels wrt LCM-timing or -controlling Mar 07 12:24:38 I'd like to be able to measure the frequency. It can be above the hearing of some Mar 07 12:25:35 anyway, *really* time for a breakfast now. 36h late Mar 07 12:25:53 heh :) Mar 07 12:27:14 Hmm.. I have a tool (jaaa) to test the frequency.. Now I only hope my mic can hear it and I need a working kernel... Mar 07 12:27:40 Any ideas why the stable modules & kernel from http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ won't start? Mar 07 12:32:46 Isn't it enough to download the modules-GTA02_stable.....tar.gz and untar it in root, then flash the newer kernel and start? Mar 07 12:34:39 doesn't do anything? Mar 07 12:35:01 Doesn't start.. Mar 07 12:35:23 blank screen? Mar 07 12:36:05 returns to NOR Mar 07 12:36:33 (I always use NOR, my NAND tries to start from µSD that currently doesn't have an OS installed..) Mar 07 12:37:09 But if needed I can flash in anything (Kustomizer helps me to return go 'normal stage' :) Mar 07 12:38:07 <|Leto|> can someone enlighten me upon the differences between libsdl-x11 and libsdl-native? Mar 07 12:46:42 ahoi Mar 07 12:47:28 Nice, switched to QI - boot takes 1min20s! Mar 07 12:59:21 can u use guitar tuner to get the frequency? Mar 07 12:59:50 it may not go that high Mar 07 13:00:05 record a sound Mar 07 13:00:13 load it into any FFT tool Mar 07 13:08:43 Comparing it to my hifi test cd it's somewhere between 11-12KHz. It's not loud enough to be recorded by my headphone-mic (not the openmoko HF) Mar 07 13:46:42 So can anyone point me to a new kernel that works witn 2008.12 Mar 07 13:50:00 rhkfin_: i'm afraid nobody was really interested to make that work. Mar 07 13:55:08 yoze Mar 07 13:57:58 how's it going? Mar 07 14:04:36 for curious : http://digg.com/linux_unix/Video_demo_of_Freerunner_running_Android_Cupcake_Tutorial Mar 07 14:06:48 dugg Mar 07 14:17:57 <|Marco|> is there anyonw here willing to test my little gprs gui to see if the last change works ? Mar 07 14:18:38 <|Marco|> http://marco.cakebox.net/?topic=dls&pkid=26 Mar 07 14:26:41 <|Marco|> I can't get the gprs modem up and running now on my moko as of late, so i need someone willing to be a guinea pig :P Mar 07 14:29:20 hi, I have a problem with shr. In the settings' app the "mass storage" usb option doesn't run correctly... anyone could help me please? Mar 07 14:36:17 badcloud, hvodan gÃ¥r det? :x Mar 07 14:40:57 hi, is there a simple way to get the qwerty button and illuzme keyboard in 2008.12 yet? All the instructions in the wiki seem to fail Mar 07 14:43:18 muxe: Kustomizer (maybe even the devel version). The first run installs those (with illume-theme) Mar 07 14:43:56 thx, ill have a look at this Mar 07 14:46:05 Ho, now my 2008.12 is grayscaled! Mar 07 14:46:13 :) Mar 07 14:49:27 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2235 <- grayscaled trac discussion Mar 07 14:52:09 Any recommendations for a Calendar-app? Mar 07 15:31:27 Hello, where do I have to put photos of my contacts to display them next to their phone number ? I'm using OM2008.12, Contacts Mar 07 15:45:44 Anyone ? Mar 07 15:46:55 kalden: you do understand that OM2008.x is not supported and not developed anymore, don't you? Mar 07 15:47:09 No I don't Mar 07 15:47:50 kalden: Ok, no you do :) Mar 07 15:48:01 s/no/now/ Mar 07 15:48:01 PaulFert` meant: kalden: Ok, now you do :) Mar 07 15:48:17 he he... Didn't see it on the wiki Mar 07 15:50:05 And it's gonna be replaced by what ? Mar 07 15:51:21 OK, OM2009 I guess Mar 07 15:53:44 kalden: yes, but it will be entirely different distro. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 15:56:47 2009 Mar 07 15:58:28 kalden: it occures that i know too little about end-users (or don't care about enough) to give any meaningful advice. I've heard that shr-testing works good for many. I think mwester can give you a better advice about user-usable distro. Mar 07 16:00:17 PaulFert`: thanks for your advice Mar 07 16:00:34 Paul is right - shr-testing is probably the best one, going forward. Android also has some good stuff, if you happen to think Android is suitable. Mar 07 16:01:23 I used to advocate qt extended, but that seems to have died, and it is undetermined if the community will pick that up and continue development. So really, SHR is the only distro remaining. Mar 07 16:02:06 Hello Mister Wester Mar 07 16:02:14 Ok, thx for putting me in the right direction. Mar 07 16:05:35 rhkfin_: So, why don't you try to just flash SHR testing for your "terminator" testing (and also probably you'll finally change your mind)? Mar 07 16:36:46 ahoi Mar 07 17:16:36 mwester: well nokia bought troll. so maybe... Mar 07 17:18:39 * SpeedEvil ponders the best case for sw development. Mar 07 17:18:57 Apple buys OM, kills it, and the community pitches in and produces a polished phone stack. Mar 07 17:19:17 Infuriated at apples tactics. Mar 07 17:19:20 Or not. Mar 07 17:19:37 Best strategy ever :) Mar 07 17:33:11 <|Leto|> :-D Mar 07 17:33:17 <|Leto|> cheers for that Mar 07 17:35:24 hello, i have problem with SD card Mar 07 17:35:25 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x4122 Mar 07 17:35:25 mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command Mar 07 17:35:25 glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0xc302 Mar 07 17:35:25 end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 52208 Mar 07 17:36:25 i read it's driver problem Mar 07 17:36:51 but, i can't find kernel without this problems Mar 07 17:37:13 Na|L: and the latest kernel you tried is? Mar 07 17:37:39 2.6.24 form 2008.12 Mar 07 17:37:56 Na|L: nobody bothers about it. Deprecated long time ago. Mar 07 17:38:04 ? Mar 07 17:38:13 <|Leto|> lol Mar 07 17:38:21 <|Leto|> Na|L, 2.6.24 is *old* Mar 07 17:38:27 Hi, How can I make the phone vibrating with dbus? Mar 07 17:38:43 ok ok, i try 2.6.28 BUT! Mar 07 17:39:02 i cant call it "stable" :) Mar 07 17:39:51 sylar91: you can explore the FSO dbus interface with mdbus -s or look at the web page with API specs. Mar 07 17:40:01 now i try "andy" kernel, but it's 2.3MB = uboot can't boot it (i thing its kernel size problem) Mar 07 17:40:14 im right? Mar 07 17:40:25 Na|L: uboot can boot this kernel. Mar 07 17:40:28 PaulFert: thanks Mar 07 17:40:54 http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ Mar 07 17:41:06 i try this: Mar 07 17:41:08 uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_stable-b749274fadec33a6.bin Mar 07 17:41:15 and this uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-15ca3dafb2662db4.bin Mar 07 17:41:41 Na|L: if you're going to boot it from NAND with u-boot don't forget to tweak your u-boot env. Mar 07 17:42:55 eh, can be, ok ill try Mar 07 19:48:40 hmm i change bootcmd to setenv bootcmd setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x300000\; bootm 0x32000000 saveenv Mar 07 19:49:46 2.3MB kernel boot fine, but when I reboot uboot again want boot kernel larger then 2MB Mar 07 19:49:54 :o Mar 07 19:55:02 funny, iye Mar 07 19:56:10 removing battery revert to default uboot settings? Mar 07 19:59:51 uboot is saved on nand mermory, and if you revorve battery it will do samething than rebooting Mar 07 20:01:00 so, why is bootcmd changed back to default ? Mar 07 20:06:41 Na|L: Ok, there're 2 uboots on FR. Mar 07 20:06:51 Na|L: one in the NAND, one in the NOR. Mar 07 20:07:02 Na|L: if you boot from NOR, the default env is always used. Mar 07 20:07:16 hmm Mar 07 20:07:20 Na|L: if you boot from NAND, you need to issue "saveenv" to save your custom environment. Mar 07 20:07:46 some site/wiki about it? but, something more then just 10 lines of text :)) Mar 07 20:08:02 i use saveenv 3times Mar 07 20:08:32 (last world in command, just wrong formating, when pasting) Mar 07 20:09:46 Na|L: if you issued saveenv after booting NAND u-boot, it should save your tweaked env. Mar 07 20:09:58 Na|L: wiki has info about booting and about u-boot. Mar 07 20:10:35 Na|L: your saveenv has no effect, i guess. Mar 07 20:10:55 this one? Mar 07 20:10:56 Na|L: as it's not separated by a semicolon. (which should be without escaping!) Mar 07 20:10:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot Mar 07 20:11:48 Na|L: "setenv bootcmd setenv bootargs" doesn't make sense to me either Mar 07 20:11:53 as i say, it;s on same line as setenv only in irc Mar 07 20:12:27 hmm, that right :) Mar 07 20:12:39 Na|L: so, have you got access to your uSD with a new kernel? Mar 07 20:12:41 ok, i try remove second setenv :D Mar 07 20:12:58 yes Mar 07 20:13:01 * mwester bets Na|L is in the NOR boot. Mar 07 20:17:57 hmmm fok, i need new sdcard :) Mar 07 20:21:07 what should do because I get kernel banic: not foun init. I am booting from uSD. I have 2 partions on it first root ext3 and another fat32 for usbdisk purpose . Mar 07 20:22:28 esa-petri: and how do you boot? Mar 07 20:30:20 if boot via AUX+power i boot from NOR or NAND? Mar 07 20:31:22 Na|L: if the SoC is powered on while AUX is pressed, you're booting to NOR of course. Mar 07 20:32:41 mwester: looks like you're right again. Mar 07 20:32:49 hmm i change sdcard and problems are gone..... Mar 07 20:34:02 Na|L: using .24 is asking for troubles anyway. Mar 07 20:34:20 no no, with latest andy kernel Mar 07 20:34:36 some IO errors .... Mar 07 20:34:58 Na|L: try to lower the SD frequency with a kernel parameter, it's needed for some cards. Mar 07 20:35:08 now do dd in desktop PC,if card is bad Mar 07 20:35:32 PaulFert`: i read about it, i try it if "ddtest" go well Mar 07 21:33:06 hello, if I bitbake libgtkstylus would I have the right-click on SHR? and will it work on non-gtk applications? Mar 07 21:33:37 * ColdFyre can't wait for the gta04 Mar 07 21:41:55 good Mar 07 21:42:00 Hi all Mar 07 21:43:28 wich modem version actual on GTA2 ? Mar 07 21:44:13 Inc_Vega: please rephrase, and i'll be able to answer Mar 07 21:45:38 I mean, last image version GSM modem on GTA2 ? Mar 07 21:46:53 moko-11 Mar 07 21:47:50 Inc_Vega: and it's the same for GTA01, btw. Yes moko11 is the latest and the greatest. Mar 07 21:47:51 Problem with noise and echo fixed today or ? Mar 07 21:48:05 Inc_Vega: the gsm buzz is fixed only by hardware rework. Mar 07 21:48:25 Inc_Vega: the echo is fixed by using a rootfs that issues appropriate commands at appropriate time. Mar 07 21:48:57 hmm Mar 07 21:48:58 saveenv Mar 07 21:48:58 Saving Environment to NAND... Mar 07 21:49:02 Erasing Nand... Mar 07 21:49:04 can you send me last image for GTA2 ? I want to update. Mar 07 21:49:10 so it's not NOR Mar 07 21:49:15 no? Mar 07 21:49:26 i boot to uboot boot menu via aux+power Mar 07 21:49:27 Inc_Vega: can you download it yourself from http://people.openmoko.org/joerg ? Mar 07 21:49:42 good Mar 07 21:49:48 Na|L: what is written on the top of LCD (near the u-boot version)? Mar 07 21:50:32 nor Mar 07 21:50:48 funny, really Mar 07 21:51:01 Na|L: NOT REALLY FUNNY Mar 07 21:51:14 Na|L: the wiki has a page where booting is explained in detail. Mar 07 21:51:15 * mwester waits to collect on the bet. Mar 07 21:51:25 mwester: you won, i've already told that Mar 07 21:51:32 Na|L owes me a beer. :D Mar 07 21:51:33 * PaulFert` always looses Mar 07 21:51:46 PaulFert`: give me link, please, i try find uboot information, but good information Mar 07 21:51:48 Na|L owes you _two_ beers. Mar 07 21:52:19 Na|L: is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner ok? Mar 07 21:53:10 hmm, cool site :) Mar 07 21:53:47 ok nothing new Mar 07 21:53:54 If only beers could make me happy... I'd be an alcoholic! Mar 07 21:54:01 hehehe! Mar 07 21:54:11 What _would_ make you happy, then? Mar 07 21:54:46 the bitbake of libgtkstylus has finished...but how does it work...does it work only for GTK applications? Mar 07 21:54:46 If i knew that, i'd probably was already happy by now, because "everything's in your head, you know". Mar 07 21:54:52 ok, again, because, this is make me sick more then i am already Mar 07 21:55:18 Na|L: boot to NAND. For that follow the white rabbit^W^W wiki page. Mar 07 21:58:16 hmm Mar 07 21:58:27 this script explain more then wiki Mar 07 21:58:28 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh Mar 07 21:59:56 is it possible to turn control-up into pg up using xmodmap? Mar 07 22:00:59 It's all in the mind, y'know Mar 07 22:01:43 Depends on which color pill you take. Mar 07 22:03:28 Or which Quantum Physics interpretation you prefer Mar 07 22:03:33 But to be far, far too serious for this channel, I can tell you from experience that it's a whole lot less in an individual's mind, when that individual has kids to raise and feed; suddenly happiness can be measured in very different ways). Mar 07 22:04:36 onemore question Mar 07 22:04:46 one time uboot say: Mar 07 22:05:00 GTA02v6 # saveenv Mar 07 22:05:00 Saving Environment to NAND... Mar 07 22:05:01 Erasing Nand...GTA02v6 Mar 07 22:05:15 this time: Mar 07 22:05:15 GTA02v6 # saveenv Mar 07 22:05:16 Saving Environment to NAND... Mar 07 22:05:16 Erasing Nand...Writing to Nand... done Mar 07 22:05:16 GTA02v6 # Mar 07 22:06:24 Hello; any idea why SHR unstable doesn't show any applications on desktop and doesn't allow me to even shutdown/suspend device? Mar 07 22:06:50 wellcom to club ) Mar 07 22:06:52 mmp: yes, it was just fixed Mar 07 22:07:01 <|Marco|> oh ? Mar 07 22:07:34 PaulFert`: so opkg upgrade should fix that? Mar 07 22:07:45 e-wm-utils was using the old EFL_SRCREV Mar 07 22:07:54 <|Marco|> PaulFert`: I'm just starting to build a package of an app I'm working on, it'd help a lot to actually see if the desktop icon etc is in the right place Mar 07 22:07:59 mmp: not sure packages are ready Mar 07 22:08:16 PaulFert`: sorry for asking that lame question, but I'm going to leave tomorrow and be offline for few days :) Mar 07 22:08:47 mrmoku: ping. Please give your users a ETA of icon fixes in unstable :) Mar 07 22:08:56 (with GPS at hand, if possible, so I'm trying to get some working distro :) Mar 07 22:10:38 <|Marco|> mmp, you can get back some of the icons by going to "Launcher" in the settings in the pulldown at the top of the screen and setting "Display Type" to "Slider" Mar 07 22:10:45 mmp: probably e-wm-utils from http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/ will work for you Mar 07 22:10:51 <|Marco|> not pretty, but it works Mar 07 22:11:56 <|Marco|> PaulFert`: looks like there are a few upgrades now, let's see if it helps :P Mar 07 22:12:03 <|Marco|> *downloading* Mar 07 22:15:19 <|Marco|> wah, a lot of packages Mar 07 22:15:33 btw, did anyone have a look into /etc/resolv.conf after few reboots? :) Mar 07 22:16:40 <|Marco|> multiple copy's of the same 2 dns servers ? Mar 07 22:16:44 yes Mar 07 22:16:53 <|Marco|> hehe, I've seen that a few times ;P Mar 07 22:17:04 I guess count of lines divided by two actually counts number of reboots :-) Mar 07 22:18:00 <|Marco|> hehehe, YEah, I'd belive taht :) Mar 07 22:19:20 aa, know i understand, fok, i shouldnt do anything, when i am sick, my brain is not working Mar 07 22:19:40 <|Marco|> hm, let's see if a reboot gives me back zer desktop icons.. Mar 07 22:20:07 Na|L: same goes for coding at 2am :-) Mar 07 22:20:39 <|Marco|> *sigh* still no dice :| Mar 07 22:20:53 :-/ Mar 07 22:22:18 mmp: get the necessary package from http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/ if you need it urgently, i think it should be there, just check the date. Mar 07 22:22:40 PaulFert`: I already started whole upgrade Mar 07 22:23:15 (and finished, as well....) Mar 07 22:23:31 lots of python upgrades, but no e Mar 07 22:24:24 weird, there is even to e-wm-utils package Mar 07 22:25:19 PaulFert`: so I guess it isn't there yet Mar 07 22:27:10 btw, any idea how quickly after GPS poweron should tangogps start showing current time? Mar 07 22:27:58 <|Marco|> that usually depends on the weather Mar 07 22:29:00 Also on the time passed since last fix. If it's about 2 hours, ephemeris are still valid and so you'll even get a fix very soon. Mar 07 22:30:16 PaulFert`: I've not been able to get a fix with FR for ~two weeks, from some weird reason Mar 07 22:30:35 Ahh, another massive round of E updates. Have they fixed the icons in SHR-unstable? Mar 07 22:31:00 and I flashed unstable just now, so there's no place where ephemeris/almanac could survive :) Mar 07 22:31:25 mmp: so you should be able to get a fix in some 1-2 minutes provided weather is not bad. Mar 07 22:31:49 mmp: also ensure you have system time properly set. Mar 07 22:32:25 PaulFert`: well, running most recent unstable SHR... Mar 07 22:32:28 No... Mar 07 22:32:44 Why can't they fix those stpuid icons?? :( Mar 07 22:32:53 Digital_Pioneer: the reason was found and will reach users really soon Mar 07 22:32:57 the problem is that I don't event get proper time (which should be displayed instanteously, because satellites broadcast it) Mar 07 22:33:12 PaulFert`: Ahh, good. :) Mar 07 22:33:17 Digital_Pioneer: they want to know how many users actually use SHR :) Mar 07 22:33:25 Hahahah Mar 07 22:33:39 Count the number of hate mails that come in, ehh? Mar 07 22:33:46 mmp: set it by hand or by ntp first. Mar 07 22:34:01 PaulFert`: the system time itself is correct Mar 07 22:34:02 So is the *#06# for IMEI supposed to work? Mar 07 22:34:16 mmp: so you should be able to get a fix Mar 07 22:34:31 PaulFert`: what bothers me is the time in TangoGPS, which should be derived from NMEA sentences (or whatever UBX sends) Mar 07 22:35:07 <|Marco|> PaulFert`: do you know what the reason for the desktop icons disappearance ? Mar 07 22:35:14 PaulFert`: So do you know by any chance what the problem was, and if I can fix it myself without too much trouble? Or where to go to find out? Mar 07 22:35:22 <|Marco|> :P Mar 07 22:35:30 <|Marco|> Digital_Pioneer: you ow me a soda :D Mar 07 22:35:31 PaulFert`: uhm, weird... got fix, but GPS time is still invalid Mar 07 22:36:17 (and also, my FR, which is sitting on the room's window, moves by speed 1.1km/h :) Mar 07 22:36:29 |Marco|: Oh do I? :P Mar 07 22:36:48 <|Marco|> hehehe Mar 07 22:37:21 Digital_Pioneer: sure, the reason is that e-wm-utils were build for an old EFL_SRCREV. Mar 07 22:37:40 Digital_Pioneer: if you're building SHR from source, just pull the latest updates and rebuild. Mar 07 22:38:29 mmp: i guess until the receiver knows at least some approximate location of a sat, it can't get any time from it. Mar 07 22:38:41 Nope, I have no toolchain for ARMv4t Mar 07 22:39:36 PaulFert`: ahh, I thought that satellites broadcast time information directly... Mar 07 22:39:38 Dave!!!!! Mar 07 22:40:12 open source is about to conquer the world!!!!! :D Mar 07 22:40:22 mmp: i think that receiver can't get it until he knows where the sat is. I might be wrong though. Mar 07 22:40:25 Fougner! :D Mar 07 22:40:30 Oh, is it? Mar 07 22:40:34 haha Mar 07 22:40:36 yeah Mar 07 22:40:38 This is the first I've heard of this. :P Mar 07 22:40:54 PaulFert`: logical from some PoV -- it should be able to find out the timezone somehow as well... Mar 07 22:41:10 we must work together to defeat the dark forces of bad software engineering companies! Mar 07 22:41:14 If the receiver can get any signal from any sat whether it knows where it is or not, it gets the time. Mar 07 22:41:43 so, what are you guys talking about anyway? Mar 07 22:41:51 GPS I assume? Mar 07 22:42:02 mjr: how long does it take for a receiver if it doesn't know even almanac? Mar 07 22:42:10 The usual Mar 07 22:42:17 though if it doesn't know anything about the sats and its own position, it might have to scan a bit to find a sat that is visible Mar 07 22:42:24 How much OM sucks, and how there is no chance to survive make our freerunners... yadda yadda Mar 07 22:42:29 I SCAN SATS! :D Mar 07 22:42:48 About 3 minutes for the GTA01 GPS, dunno about the Freerunner Mar 07 22:43:00 I can measure the time for you! Mar 07 22:43:04 just tell me what to do Mar 07 22:43:05 Mmontour! Mar 07 22:43:10 ~_~ Mar 07 22:43:11 Dave! Mar 07 22:43:15 Yes! Mar 07 22:43:17 So does anyone know why my phone is obsessed with the EST time zone? I can't get it to change. Mar 07 22:43:22 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 07 22:43:31 haha Mar 07 22:43:34 apt, you're lagged. Mar 07 22:43:38 poor apt is slow Mar 07 22:43:40 how cute Mar 07 22:43:40 apt: a little lazy today, are we? Mar 07 22:43:42 Fougner: okay Mar 07 22:43:46 * Dave pets apt Mar 07 22:44:03 apt get Fougner a working mp3-player for the FR Mar 07 22:44:05 * apt fetches Fougner a working mp3-player for the FR Mar 07 22:44:13 FOSS, that is Mar 07 22:44:25 mp3? Mar 07 22:44:43 Na|L, yes, have you heard of it yet? :) Mar 07 22:44:48 FOSS? here? pfft :p Mar 07 22:45:08 I've heard it's a evil audio format developed and patented by the dark f0rc3s Mar 07 22:45:45 Dave: i think i know Mar 07 22:45:51 hmm, is it just me or has the standby time increased with the latest updates in the software? Mar 07 22:46:01 Dave: was meant for Pioneer :) Mar 07 22:46:16 I wonder hows the progress with GTA03 Mar 07 22:46:29 What progress? Mar 07 22:46:36 You mean the backwards development that happens here? Mar 07 22:46:58 just if there will be any I think Mar 07 22:47:01 Digital_Pioneer: i think i know the trick with the timezone Mar 07 22:47:11 PaulFert`: Please tell! Mar 07 22:47:14 any pictures of the current GTA03 design? Mar 07 22:47:18 Digital_Pioneer: have you disabled automatic update in the frameworkd.conf? Mar 07 22:48:00 PaulFert`: I haven't touched frameworkd.conf Mar 07 22:48:05 ehm, do any of you guys happen to be friend with SVN? Mar 07 22:48:40 Digital_Pioneer: then most probably frameworkd changes your timezone, it's the default. Mar 07 22:48:41 Digital_Pioneer, you shouldn't have to 'touch' framework.d, it should already be there ;) Mar 07 22:48:53 Fougner: no, unless you're using git-svn ;) Mar 07 22:48:57 Fougner: Hahah Mar 07 22:48:58 i don't understand, if i switch to qi for my gta02, i can't use dfu-util anymore? Mar 07 22:49:06 I'm funny :D Mar 07 22:49:12 :) Mar 07 22:49:20 PaulFert`: So what do I change?... Mar 07 22:49:21 ColdFyre: you can, but after booting to NOR u-boot, isn't it obvious?! Mar 07 22:49:25 ColdFyre, nope, what I've heard, it doesn't have the DFU things Mar 07 22:49:33 I don't see anything in it that looks like a timezone... Mar 07 22:49:44 Digital_Pioneer: remove GSM from the ZoneSources in [otimed] section Mar 07 22:49:46 PaulFert`, I assume you're right ^^ Mar 07 22:49:58 PaulFert`, git-svn? Mar 07 22:50:01 PaulFert`: There is no otimed section... Mar 07 22:50:11 Fougner: yes, it's the only sane way to use svn nowadays ;) Mar 07 22:50:40 for everyone? Mar 07 22:51:06 Digital_Pioneer: http://pastebin.com/m611ab620 don't forget to restart frameworkd after that Mar 07 22:52:02 oh, git makes use of SHA1 for making up the 'reversions', right? Mar 07 22:52:18 Fougner: no, really, git is so much better than SVN, no wonder almost all free software projects switched to it (or to Mercurial). Mar 07 22:52:18 uhm, *versions Mar 07 22:53:03 PaulFert`, look, I'm really new to scm, please explain why :) Mar 07 22:53:06 Fougner: so, if one _has_ to use svn, git-svn will make the process more comfortable, giving some of the git strength. Mar 07 22:53:09 PaulFert`: It still thinks I'm EST... Mar 07 22:53:25 Digital_Pioneer: no wonder, have you changed your /etc/timezone? Mar 07 22:53:38 Digital_Pioneer: after you prohibited frameworkd to mess with it? Mar 07 22:53:39 PaulFert`, I'm reading about it now, please tell me about your personal thoughts.. Mar 07 22:53:51 PaulFert`: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Feb 28 02:13 /etc/timezone -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Central Mar 07 22:54:48 Fougner: There was plenty of articles written about why DVCS's are better than traditional centralised VCS's, so i don't think i can say something more. Just look at the statistics. Mar 07 22:54:54 As you can see, it's been set correctly since February. :P Mar 07 22:55:11 Digital_Pioneer: most likely the file was overwritten. Check the contents. Mar 07 22:55:17 PaulFert`, okay, well as I said I don't know much about it, but I have to stick with the facts then ;P Mar 07 22:55:46 F-F-F-F-F-F-FOUGNER! Mar 07 22:55:52 Dave :D Mar 07 22:56:07 PaulFert`: It's a lovely blob of binary. Mar 07 22:56:12 Fougner: the facts are: almost any new free software project uses DVCS, usually git or Mercurial. And even SVN dev recommends that (there was some interesting blog post). Mar 07 22:56:53 so, let's see if I got this right Mar 07 22:57:22 PaulFert`: Ahh, relinked it to Chicago instead of Central and it WORKS!! :D Thank you very much! Mar 07 22:57:26 SVN has a central server, with 'clients' (devs) connecting to it. it merges the progress Mar 07 22:57:26 Digital_Pioneer: Yes, but... Try to reinstall the package. Mar 07 22:57:46 and Git, is like bittorrent then? Mar 07 22:57:52 Digital_Pioneer: ok, glad it works for you :) Mar 07 22:58:09 Fougner: no, every dev has it's own repository, keeping all content and history. Completely independent. Mar 07 22:58:17 s/it's/his/ Mar 07 22:58:17 PaulFert` meant: Fougner: no, every dev has his own repository, keeping all content and history. Completely independent. Mar 07 22:58:37 uhm Mar 07 22:58:44 :) Mar 07 22:58:51 oH! Mar 07 22:59:24 Linus is third most contributing developer, by commits! then is MUST be good :D Mar 07 22:59:33 Digital_Pioneer: can you add the unbreaking timezone info to some shr wiki or post to the mailing list for the other users to benefit? Mar 07 22:59:57 s/then is/then it Mar 07 23:00:04 humph. Mar 07 23:00:05 apt! Mar 07 23:00:09 do as I please! Mar 07 23:00:10 PaulFert`: Does SHR keep a separate wiki from wiki.openmoko.org? Mar 07 23:00:21 Digital_Pioneer, check out shr-project.org Mar 07 23:00:57 Digital_Pioneer: the thing is: when i encountered it, i was a bit surprised, but didn't care. After i started to care, i quickly checked the sources and found the reason. Asked the dev to make an option to disable it. Mar 07 23:01:50 So frameworkd was ignoring /etc/timezone? Mar 07 23:02:02 Fougner: you should have supplied the trailing slash ;) Mar 07 23:02:29 Digital_Pioneer: no, it was overwriting it taking the first timezone for the country your cell operator is supposed to be in. Mar 07 23:02:37 PaulFert`, oh sorry :O Mar 07 23:02:57 Ahh. Mar 07 23:02:58 PaulFert`, for the moment I'm starting out with SVN + trac Mar 07 23:03:09 is there an alternative for that? Mar 07 23:03:12 So why can't it just pull the time from the network like most phoens? Mar 07 23:03:13 *phones Mar 07 23:03:34 Fougner: i strongly advice you to study DVCS instead. If you feel git is too hard, go Mercurial (and it has a very nice Trac plugin). Mar 07 23:04:21 for a one man project, is version control good ? Mar 07 23:04:52 Digital_Pioneer: (time from network) Not all networks give that. Some networks give the timezone, btw, but not in a useful way (only difference with GMT, but it's obviously not enough, because of local DST rules etc). Mar 07 23:04:53 maybe it's just me, but I think it's more structured that way Mar 07 23:05:19 Fougner: Yes, even for a one man project it's better to use a VCS, and modern DVCS will perfectly fit as well. Mar 07 23:06:09 PaulFert`: True, I'm sure, but I have yet to see a cell phone here in America that doesn't pull time from the network. I'm surprised the FR can't do it. Mar 07 23:06:36 (That's certainly not to say there AREN'T phones here that won't pull time from the network, but I've not heard of it) Mar 07 23:07:37 OK, so how do you make a new page on the SHR wiki? Mar 07 23:07:59 Digital_Fougner Mar 07 23:08:00 Digital_Pioneer, ask Bill Gates :D Mar 07 23:08:07 Digital_Dave! Mar 07 23:08:22 apt shoot Dave Mar 07 23:08:23 * apt shoots Dave in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! Mar 07 23:08:34 Digital_Digits Mar 07 23:08:35 Digital_Pioneer: is it done in any standardised way? Mar 07 23:08:49 No idea... Mar 07 23:09:09 nope Mar 07 23:09:14 oh, DocScrutinizer Mar 07 23:09:14 :D Mar 07 23:09:18 good evening! Mar 07 23:09:26 moo Mar 07 23:09:31 mooko Mar 07 23:09:38 moocow :D Mar 07 23:09:44 openmoocow! Mar 07 23:10:04 apt-get install moocow Mar 07 23:12:32 I need to do this to get gprs working on shr-testing? http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#EnableGPRS Mar 07 23:14:31 gah Mar 07 23:14:40 For guys waiting for e-wm-utils update: probably it will appear at openmoko.opendevice.org and you can check the current status at http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/openmoko.opendevice.org/ Mar 07 23:15:24 my sound is ungood Mar 07 23:15:57 so my 03072009 shr doesnt have icons? Mar 07 23:15:59 I hear nothing but crackling Mar 07 23:16:10 slaxxin, congratulations :D Mar 07 23:16:21 its still booting Mar 07 23:16:59 slaxin! Mar 07 23:17:04 Oh, and hello again Joerg :) Mar 07 23:17:05 slaxxin, haven't they moved the 'unstable' branch to 'testing', just a few days ago? Mar 07 23:17:06 SuperDave Mar 07 23:17:14 Yes! Mar 07 23:17:31 o i got todays unstable booting Mar 07 23:17:50 so i can play media on me trip Mar 07 23:18:13 firefox? Mar 07 23:19:42 "And I'll say it again, I need a brand new friend" Mar 07 23:19:46 what's fso-settings good for? Why do I need it for gprs? Mar 07 23:21:31 Ok, see you guys. 'night. Mar 07 23:21:50 PaulFert`: OK, I made this: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Timezone Mar 07 23:22:02 First wiki page I ever made, so I'm sure there's something wrong with it... :P Mar 07 23:22:38 is this right way to untar sudo tar -xvvzf '/home/esa-petri/OpenMoko/fyp/fyp_3.01_GTA02.tar.gz' -v -k Mar 07 23:22:59 Digital_Pioneer, that's why all users have the rights to change your work, doin' it even better =) Mar 07 23:23:09 Fougner: Yup. :) Mar 07 23:23:11 also, that's real development Mar 07 23:23:16 not competition Mar 07 23:23:43 and that's why linux is quite stable =) Mar 07 23:24:05 hehe Mar 07 23:24:21 esa-petri: don't know what hte -k is about, but looks right, maybe -p to preserve permissions Mar 07 23:24:21 so, what are you guys up to? Mar 07 23:24:23 Dave? :D Mar 07 23:24:38 Dave: !! Mar 07 23:24:52 toggles, :D Mar 07 23:25:10 Fougner: w00t!! Mar 07 23:25:13 Dave was finally uninstalled from the system :D Mar 07 23:25:22 opkg install e-wm-utils Mar 07 23:25:27 emerge Dave Mar 07 23:25:58 toggles, what are you doin? :D Mar 07 23:26:02 /etc/init.d/Dave restart Mar 07 23:26:35 Fougner: hating life... spend 6 hrs fighting with javas serialising of maps.. Mar 07 23:26:36 ifup Dave Mar 07 23:26:38 D A V EY Mar 07 23:26:39 /etc/init.d/Dave stop Mar 07 23:26:40 yay for my wasted day!! Mar 07 23:27:42 ok, how can I test gprs settings? Mar 07 23:27:43 toggles, you seem to be happy =) Mar 07 23:28:09 Fougner: yeah, finally figured it all out and we are back on track for delivery Mar 07 23:29:05 oh, Mar 07 23:29:06 iconage yea Mar 07 23:29:11 you're a software engineer? :P Mar 07 23:29:21 GQview? Mar 07 23:29:45 ok thats what i needed Mar 07 23:30:11 firefox XMMS Mar 07 23:30:26 Audacity Mar 07 23:30:34 Fougner: haha, engineer.. haha.. i like to say 'prefesional' because i get paid ;-) Mar 07 23:31:32 toggles, you have to explain that more in detail I think Mar 07 23:31:43 engineers do get paid, don't they? Mar 07 23:31:58 Will I be able to fly with new E environment? xD Mar 07 23:32:16 Sharwin_F, yes, but take a cup of coffee before you do =) Mar 07 23:32:36 yeah, i guess engineering to me is more like building bridges ;-) Mar 07 23:32:43 Fougner, hmm good to know... opkg install cup-of-coffe? Mar 07 23:33:05 Sharwin_F, something like that yeah =) Mar 07 23:33:57 does anyone know if there are any android images with a somewhat more stable gsm(as opposed to beta 3) Mar 07 23:34:10 toggles, today they probably do much of that with computers and lots of advanced programming and simulation, don't you think? Mar 07 23:34:32 ColdFyre, beta 3 from koolu is the last known 'stable' to me Mar 07 23:35:03 i don't mind unstable releases Mar 07 23:35:22 Fougner: true, i just think engineering involves steel and concrete... Mar 07 23:36:15 Fougner: well, if i think about it my work keeps iron ore trains moving around the world, so i guess that pretty close to steel, the rails are steel anyway ;-) Mar 07 23:36:56 toggles, maybe, but there are a lot of people out there, put out to be 'software engineers' Mar 07 23:38:00 ColdFyre, sorry, I've tried out koolu's releases, nothing else Mar 07 23:38:26 toggles, simply, you're a programmer? Mar 07 23:39:19 Fougner: yeah, networking/communications hacker Mar 07 23:39:33 cool Mar 07 23:39:47 I guess you've done some nice things along the way then? Mar 07 23:39:59 Fougner: when the software works ;-) Mar 07 23:40:04 haha Mar 07 23:40:20 yeah, seen some pretty remote/neat places along the way too, it's been a cool ride so far Mar 07 23:40:47 oh, you're on the ore train? :P Mar 07 23:40:58 well then the software better work! Mar 07 23:41:59 Fougner: yeah, that was some fun a while back, we removed all the signals form the track and bought all the info into the cab and hooked the brakes up to the software Mar 07 23:42:43 200 miles into the desert we hopped on the train and turned the system on for the first time, train was over 2km long full of iron ore, if the software applied the brakes wrong the train would oscillate and rip apart Mar 07 23:42:56 made for a very interesting ride to the coast a 3am in the morning ;-) Mar 07 23:43:13 oh god. Mar 07 23:43:26 I guess this is done in the US? Mar 07 23:43:41 this was hamersly iron in australia Mar 07 23:45:12 hah Mar 07 23:45:12 haha there is you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sy9pK2J24U Mar 07 23:45:29 * amarsh04 waves from Adelaide Mar 07 23:45:59 * toggles waves to amarsh04 Mar 07 23:47:40 I remember the television coverage when they set the world's longest train record Mar 07 23:48:25 yeah, bhp, now they are all one, the trains are mosters out there, it was a fun couple of years working on that Mar 07 23:49:40 well, it's time for me to try and find a beer, have fun people, i'll think of you while i enjoy my stubby... Mar 07 23:49:44 * toggles waves night Mar 07 23:49:47 longest passenger train I've been on was 665 metres long Mar 07 23:49:54 bfn toggles Mar 07 23:54:04 <|Marco|> *sigh* Mar 07 23:54:11 * |Marco| misses a working desktop :/ Mar 07 23:58:05 * amarsh04 uses kde 3.5.10 on his 11 year old pc Mar 07 23:59:35 howdo you do those *name stuf (new to irc) Mar 07 23:59:47 things Mar 08 00:00:22 /me says hello Mar 08 00:00:26 * mmontour says hello Mar 08 00:01:30 haha, the android kernel works with SHR Mar 08 00:01:41 and it's super fast Mar 08 00:04:03 hmm, still no newer e-wm-utils around? :) Mar 08 00:04:56 * esa-petri admits to be new to irc Mar 08 00:05:55 * esa-petri cryes for data-loss Mar 08 00:06:04 mmp i take it you tried the shr -lite mar5/7 releases? Mar 08 00:06:16 ColdFyre: yes Mar 08 00:06:30 me too, same problem Mar 08 00:06:49 set your icons to slider and some things appear :D Mar 08 00:06:56 yes, I did that Mar 08 00:07:00 but that's far from optimal :) Mar 08 00:07:12 ColdFyre, :O Mar 08 00:07:14 but still better than noting Mar 08 00:07:17 *nothin Mar 08 00:07:35 i could not get a dialer or anything useful Mar 08 00:07:47 android kernel + SHR = fast? :D Mar 08 00:08:06 Fougner: it was booted with gsm registration in under 30 sec Mar 08 00:08:11 ok, got to go sleep, goot night :-) Mar 08 00:08:15 *good Mar 08 00:09:09 ColdFyre, last time I tried to call Mar 08 00:09:17 with android Mar 08 00:09:34 I don't know what happened, but it didn't want to call :P Mar 08 00:09:50 yeah, same here, the gsm kept crapping out Mar 08 00:09:56 so, SHR + androidkernel you say? Mar 08 00:09:59 i was able to make one phone call and send 2 messages Mar 08 00:10:07 yeah, it worked, lol Mar 08 00:10:56 i might try gentoo, since my desktop is a pretty powerful machine, i cna cross compile something in no time Mar 08 00:11:11 eh Mar 08 00:11:15 what distro? Mar 08 00:11:49 Fougner: did u test cupcake ? Mar 08 00:11:56 what's so special about the android kernel? Mar 08 00:12:04 rzr, sorry? Mar 08 00:12:10 android Mar 08 00:12:20 explanation Mar 08 00:12:22 i just wrote on review Mar 08 00:12:29 I'm a little tired you know :) Mar 08 00:12:36 cupcake = android next release Mar 08 00:12:46 oh Mar 08 00:12:51 Beta 4? :P Mar 08 00:12:58 mmmmmmm cupcake Mar 08 00:13:03 or is it more a 'stable' approach? Mar 08 00:13:49 test it , there is video + tutorial linked at http://digg.com/users/rzrfreefr Mar 08 00:14:21 okay, thx Mar 08 00:14:23 hmm Mar 08 00:14:31 nope, Git is not for me, yet.. Mar 08 00:14:47 rzr, Tuvalu? Mar 08 00:14:53 where is this place? Mar 08 00:14:55 yea: ) Mar 08 00:15:11 this is the smallest island in the world Mar 08 00:15:21 :) Mar 08 00:15:27 where pple care about privacy Mar 08 00:15:49 oh Mar 08 00:15:52 http://digg.com/users/rzrfreefr Mar 08 00:15:59 I better check it out Mar 08 00:16:02 err Mar 08 00:16:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu Mar 08 00:16:29 Its population of 11,992 makes it the third-least populated independent country in the world, with only Vatican City and Nauru Mar 08 00:17:00 Do you like it? :P Mar 08 00:17:28 Dave: never went there , do you ? Mar 08 00:17:44 oh :D Mar 08 00:17:51 ooh, so you're the rightful owners of the cool .tv domain :D Mar 08 00:18:21 rzr, I think Dave meant Tuvalu ? Mar 08 00:18:47 So is anyone else having trouble with remoko not working because it thinks the remoko_server module doesn't exist? Mar 08 00:19:26 i'll have to relocate : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuvalu_Funafuti_atoll_beach.jpg Mar 08 00:19:56 untill it disapear : The highest elevation is 4.5 metres (15 ft) above sea level,[10] which gives Tuvalu the second-lowest maximum elevation of any country Mar 08 00:20:07 rzr, wow, beauuuuutiful :D Mar 08 00:20:46 what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuvaluwoman1894.jpg Mar 08 00:21:49 rzr: 1894 - you number them? Mar 08 00:22:14 We give ours names. Mar 08 00:22:21 :) Mar 08 00:22:31 1894 is the year, right? Mar 08 00:23:06 Fougner: more like 1984 Mar 08 00:23:18 :) Mar 08 00:23:30 zash, why? :D Mar 08 00:24:14 Fougner: that would be a reference to various laws fucking our rights Mar 08 00:25:04 uhm Mar 08 00:25:11 happy today, are we? :P Mar 08 00:25:22 now you have to explain that to me :) Mar 08 00:25:46 "Europeans have taken a lot of inventions by Muslim scientists and called them their own. the camera is one of many. " Mar 08 00:25:58 how to pass option to nor uboot Mar 08 00:26:18 zas: bnking-wise? Mar 08 00:31:57 shellevil: wut Mar 08 00:39:18 Hey, does anyone have a file /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/remoko/__init__.py? Mar 08 00:41:44 Or a /usr/share/remoko/data/settings.cfg? Mar 08 00:41:54 Remoko seems rather screwed up... Mar 08 00:46:48 Digital_Pioneer, what distro ? Mar 08 00:47:00 SHR Mar 08 00:47:14 as a whole, most things seems to be screwed up :D Mar 08 00:47:41 LOL Mar 08 00:49:37 :o Mar 08 00:49:39 why? :P Mar 08 00:50:18 hmm Mar 08 00:50:20 LEFT JOIN! Mar 08 00:58:38 * esa-petri cheers for first sucesfull boot from uSD Mar 08 01:04:53 !!!!!!!!! ICONS!!! I have ICONS in SHR again!!! Mar 08 01:10:01 * esa-petri uncheers for first time openmoko freezes on uSD Mar 08 01:20:44 lol Mar 08 01:20:58 esa-petri, distro? Mar 08 01:21:15 fyp Mar 08 01:25:03 howto get openmoko use combuters net when in ssh connection Mar 08 01:30:03 uhm Mar 08 01:30:24 I've got a script here, will probably work with most distros based on OM official and debian Mar 08 01:30:37 link ? Mar 08 01:31:02 http://pastebin.com/d5dc1a9f9 Mar 08 01:31:07 save it as a script, Mar 08 01:31:10 and run Mar 08 01:31:27 it should make your interface 'usb0' connectable Mar 08 01:31:45 and also the freerunner can connect through the host, to internet Mar 08 01:32:16 this will work if you got 192.168.10.X as LAN adress Mar 08 01:32:32 192.168.0.X wont work Mar 08 01:33:32 su `whoami` should there be my user name there Mar 08 01:34:14 nope Mar 08 01:34:34 whoami is actually the command for getting your username Mar 08 01:34:41 try it in the terminal Mar 08 01:34:42 I see Mar 08 01:34:46 and you'll see =) Mar 08 01:34:53 su whoami should always return root Mar 08 01:34:59 shouldn't it? Mar 08 01:35:01 thank GOD for energy drinks Mar 08 01:35:08 shellevil, haha Mar 08 01:35:12 sorry Mar 08 01:35:14 I'm tireed Mar 08 01:35:42 sorry Mar 08 01:35:45 no, it won't Mar 08 01:35:55 shell will expand it first Mar 08 01:36:13 but it won't do anything sensible Mar 08 01:36:41 uhm Mar 08 01:36:44 OK, I got my SHR icons back... But I have rogue icons for XMMS, Firefox, and Xterm. Mar 08 01:36:51 I'm too tired to think about this :D Mar 08 01:36:55 Anyway I need get rest now. at mornig I use difrent rootfs. om's officall. to get beter result Mar 08 01:36:58 Where the heck are those coming from and how do I get rid of the stupid things?? :\ Mar 08 01:37:10 esa-petri, try SHR Mar 08 01:37:16 or, what do you want to do? Mar 08 01:37:23 OM official is quite "dead" Mar 08 01:37:27 shell expands 'whoami to the current username, then calls 'su currentusername' Mar 08 01:37:35 why? Mar 08 01:38:04 I need only terminall to install debian on it Mar 08 01:38:05 esa-petri, dunno, old codebase? Mar 08 01:38:20 SHR + FSO Mar 08 01:38:46 should be the most stable combination in a few months, no? Mar 08 01:39:02 might be Mar 08 01:39:17 Ahh, got 'em! >:) Mar 08 01:39:58 but I like debian(lot) Mar 08 01:40:30 and need something lightweight under it to start installation Mar 08 01:41:50 uhm Mar 08 01:42:24 so, you're going to install a OM distro, to get a terminal, and from there, install a debian system? Mar 08 01:42:38 yep Mar 08 01:42:45 why not install the debian images directly? Mar 08 01:42:48 isn't that good idea Mar 08 01:43:09 what for? Mar 08 01:43:29 to get envorment that I like Mar 08 01:43:37 okay Mar 08 01:44:08 so you're going with the official debian procedure or what? Mar 08 01:44:28 eys the officall Mar 08 01:44:33 cause you have to install FSO and things to get the FR to work as a phone =) Mar 08 01:44:38 I'd guess Mar 08 01:45:09 I am looking more combuter like envoirment Mar 08 01:45:22 I'm not sure about this, but I'd say there's a lot easier going with the FR images for debian, setting up an environment from there Mar 08 01:45:44 esa-petri, well, the FR debian images shouldn't be so far away from that Mar 08 01:45:52 it should basically be the same Mar 08 01:46:48 maybe I'm wrong, but why would anyone setup separate projects if the official debian setup would work with the FR without modifications? Mar 08 01:47:45 so you don't want to use the FR as a phone ? Mar 08 01:47:54 i want Mar 08 01:48:20 and I want same kind of envoirment as fyp 2 was Mar 08 01:49:24 but whit "small" modifications Mar 08 01:49:36 y large icons? Mar 08 01:50:31 Is there any "of the shelf" debian images Mar 08 01:50:35 for fr Mar 08 01:50:50 did you check the wiki? Mar 08 01:50:58 esa-petri, to get the FR to work with debian, I think you have to choose a OM debian image Mar 08 01:51:12 where Mar 08 01:51:19 wiki.openmoko.org Mar 08 01:51:41 yeah but more acuary Mar 08 01:52:18 okay Mar 08 01:52:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian Mar 08 01:52:22 there you go Mar 08 01:52:26 apparently there is a way Mar 08 01:52:46 but probably this is easier: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian Mar 08 01:54:56 Rawr Mar 08 01:55:49 bzzzzzzzzz. Mar 08 01:56:56 that is what I was going to do now I neeeed sleeeep Mar 08 01:57:57 goo... 10^1000 more o's here ...ood NiGhT Mar 08 02:04:37 Dave! :D Mar 08 02:13:28 what pass? Mar 08 02:16:02 fredrin, what? :p Mar 08 02:16:06 good night ever1 Mar 08 02:16:08 every1 Mar 08 02:16:20 3 Am here.. Mar 08 02:16:22 zzzz Mar 08 02:16:30 00:16 her Mar 08 02:16:33 e Mar 08 02:20:30 The suspend button in SHR unstable is no longer greyed, but it doesn't do anything when I hit it. Mar 08 02:41:30 do gprs use much power if left on? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 08 02:59:57 2009